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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: See [[wikitech:Deployment train#Groups]]. In a nutshell: mediawiki updates are progressively rolled out in groups; we're in group 2, so we get them on wednesdays; as opposed to mediawikiwiki being in group 1 (tuesday) and enwiki being in group 3 (thursday). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
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}
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Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-23 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]].

'''Updates for editors'''
* It is now easier to configure automatic citations for your wiki within the visual editor's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]]. Administrators can now set a default template by using the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;_default&lt;/code&gt; key in the local &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[[MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json]]&lt;/bdi&gt; page ([[mw:Special:Diff/6969653/7646386|example diff]]). Setting this default will also help to future-proof your existing configurations when [[phab:T347823|new item types]] are added in the future. You can still set templates for individual item types as they will be preferred to the default template. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384709]
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* Starting the week of June 2, bots logging in using &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=login&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=clientlogin&lt;/code&gt; will fail more often. This is because of stronger protections against suspicious logins. Bots using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|bot passwords]] or using a loginless authentication method such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|OAuth]] are not affected. If your bot is not using one of those, you should update it; using &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=login&lt;/code&gt; without a bot password was deprecated [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3EEMN7VQX5G7WMQI5K2GP5JC2336DPTD/|in 2016]]. For most bots, this only requires changing what password the bot uses. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395205]
* From this week, Wikimedia wikis will allow ES2017 features in JavaScript code for official code, gadgets, and user scripts. The most visible feature of ES2017 is &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;code&gt;async&lt;/code&gt;/&lt;code&gt;await&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/bdi&gt; syntax, allowing for easier-to-read code. Until this week, the platform only allowed up to ES2016, and a few months before that, up to ES2015. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381537]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.4|MediaWiki]]

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-24 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/24|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product team]] is finalizing work needed to roll out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] on large Wikipedias later this month. The team has worked with stewards and other users with extended rights to predict and address many use cases that may arise on larger wikis, so that community members can continue to effectively moderate and patrol temporary accounts. This will be the second of three phases of deployment – the last one will take place in September at the earliest. For more information about the recent developments on the project, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|see this update]]. If you have any comments or questions, write on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|talk page]], and [[m:Event:CEE Catch up Nr. 10 (June 2025)|join a CEE Catch Up]] this Tuesday.

'''Updates for editors'''
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist expiry|watchlist expiry]] feature allows editors to watch pages for a limited period of time. After that period, the page is automatically removed from your watchlist. Starting this week, you can set a preference for the default period of time to watch pages. The [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist-pageswatchlist|preferences]] also allow you to set different default watch periods for editing existing pages, pages you create, and when using rollback. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265716]
[[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]]
* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
* Users with specific extended rights (including administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, and stewards) can now have IP addresses of all temporary accounts [[phab:T358853|revealed automatically]] during time-limited periods where they need to combat high-speed account-hopping vandalism. This feature was requested by stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386492]
* This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to several more Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-afwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-simplewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* AbuseFilter editors active on Meta-Wiki and large Wikipedias are kindly asked to update AbuseFilter to make it compatible with temporary accounts. A link to the instructions and the private lists of filters needing verification are [[phab:T369611|available on Phabricator]].
* Lua modules now have access to the name of a page's associated thumbnail image, and on [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/+/2e4ab14aa15bb95568f9c07dd777065901eb2126/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#10849 some wikis] to the WikiProject assessment information. This is possible using two new properties on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#added-by-extensions|mw.title objects]], named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;pageImage&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;pageAssessments&lt;/code&gt;. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131911][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380122]
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
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Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
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}
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Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
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: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
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* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
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}
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Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
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: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-23 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]].

'''Updates for editors'''
* It is now easier to configure automatic citations for your wiki within the visual editor's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]]. Administrators can now set a default template by using the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;_default&lt;/code&gt; key in the local &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[[MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json]]&lt;/bdi&gt; page ([[mw:Special:Diff/6969653/7646386|example diff]]). Setting this default will also help to future-proof your existing configurations when [[phab:T347823|new item types]] are added in the future. You can still set templates for individual item types as they will be preferred to the default template. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384709]
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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

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:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
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:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== New DJVU OCR realignment tool ==

Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

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* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: See [[wikitech:Deployment train#Groups]]. In a nutshell: mediawiki updates are progressively rolled out in groups; we're in group 2, so we get them on wednesdays; as opposed to mediawikiwiki being in group 1 (tuesday) and enwiki being in group 3 (thursday). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Announcing that I've just created a webservice that automatically realigns DJVU OCR at https://realignocr.toolforge.org/ . Probably someone will find it useful&lt;ref&gt;at least it's faster than manually invoking djvused 3+ times; and it doesn't require djvused or technical knowledge of how it works&lt;/ref&gt;. Feel free if you've got suggestions. There's some more doc at [[User:Alien333/realignocr]] (perhaps it should live in WS:space? IDK). If someone finds a misaligned file which this doesn't fix even after retrying, please tell me; I can probably adapt the code for that new case. {{smallrefs}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>l9claak640y0wh3r3ea240q4avdtj4i</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143878</id>
      <parentid>15143872</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-19T00:54:30Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Beardo</username>
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds a good idea to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

Governance Committee&lt;section end=&quot;announcement-content&quot; /&gt;

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-23 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]].

'''Updates for editors'''
* It is now easier to configure automatic citations for your wiki within the visual editor's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]]. Administrators can now set a default template by using the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;_default&lt;/code&gt; key in the local &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[[MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json]]&lt;/bdi&gt; page ([[mw:Special:Diff/6969653/7646386|example diff]]). Setting this default will also help to future-proof your existing configurations when [[phab:T347823|new item types]] are added in the future. You can still set templates for individual item types as they will be preferred to the default template. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384709]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Starting the week of June 2, bots logging in using &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=login&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=clientlogin&lt;/code&gt; will fail more often. This is because of stronger protections against suspicious logins. Bots using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|bot passwords]] or using a loginless authentication method such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|OAuth]] are not affected. If your bot is not using one of those, you should update it; using &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;action=login&lt;/code&gt; without a bot password was deprecated [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3EEMN7VQX5G7WMQI5K2GP5JC2336DPTD/|in 2016]]. For most bots, this only requires changing what password the bot uses. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395205]
* From this week, Wikimedia wikis will allow ES2017 features in JavaScript code for official code, gadgets, and user scripts. The most visible feature of ES2017 is &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;code&gt;async&lt;/code&gt;/&lt;code&gt;await&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/bdi&gt; syntax, allowing for easier-to-read code. Until this week, the platform only allowed up to ES2016, and a few months before that, up to ES2015. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381537]
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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds a good idea to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Huh. I can't reproduce by switching to any of the available skins. Could you perhaps &quot;save page&quot; as you see it and put that somewhere in a temporary file storage on the web? Would allow me to debut. A screenshot of what you're seeing would also help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds a good idea to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
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* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Huh. I can't reproduce by switching to any of the available skins. Could you perhaps &quot;save page&quot; as you see it and put that somewhere in a temporary file storage on the web? Would allow me to debut. A screenshot of what you're seeing would also help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Is the problem the box is for you only ~200px wide? It's supposed to be full-width. If that was the issue, I just tried another fix that should hopefully make it full-width. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds a good idea to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|BD2412}} as &lt;s&gt;the only&lt;/s&gt; beaureaucrat - could you please make the above change? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Is this not something any admin can do? I am not so technically adept that I wouldn't worry about breaking something trying to do this. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Actually, I don't appear to have access to edit this page either. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Only interface administrators have the right to edit MWspace .js/.css. The only vaguely active interface administrator of ENWS is as of now [[User:Xover|Xover]]; but he's had little time in the last few months. He still answers talk page posts, though, so I left one.
::: {{sm|@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]: I don't know where you got the &quot;only bureaucrat&quot; part, though; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] is also a crat.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I'm competent at CSS and I would be willing to edit in the namespace. I am an interface administrator on other wikis as well. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I misread the rights log, sorry Beeswaxcandle :( —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Can't crats give themselves IA at [[Special:UserRights]]? Or is this only on some wikis. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: IDK if it's possible; but (although we have no official policy on it) until now the practice has been to give the flag after a request and !vote for it at [[WS:ADMINS]]; I think it'd be better to keep it that way. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: If someone wants to put themselves up for the interface admin role, I am certain that we could process a nomination in fairly short order. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The ad hoc process so far for Interface Admin has been that the editor requesting the additional right has been recognised by the 'crats as a person of good standing in the enWS community; and has the demonstrable skills to make appropriate changes to the interface. Thus far all people who have had the IA right have also been Admins. We have granted the IA right for the period of time through to their annual recall and then attached the two together. If someone who is not an Admin was to be granted the IA right, it would either be (a) for a limited period of time (enough to make the necessary changes for a particular purpose); or (b) through a formal nomination process. We haven't formalised this process up until now, as it hasn't been needed. (Note that it is a requirement from the MW lawyers that Interface Administrators use MFA to log in.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
* See [[Wikisource:Bots]]  for information about applying for a bot status
* See [[Wikisource:Bot requests]] if you require an existing bot to undertake a task

==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: For each of the above linked items, [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] had the underlying media renamed on Commons and seems to want ENWS to follow suit and bypass the dependency of ENWS on the redirects on Commons left from these moves of the underlying media files, perhaps to eventually have such redirects deleted at some future point. Currently, if those redirects were deleted, it would definitely break the PRP transcriptions linked above. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 22:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ye, I know; just forgot about this. So much stuff to do, so little time... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
@[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]]: All {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
{{section resolved|1=— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)}}

= Other discussions =
== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Update: quicksurveys [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/27dae1ae92f344dd873e44d7e3d043cfa039fb6b%5E%21/#F0 was undeployed] from ENWS two weeks ago. I have asked them to not redeploy until they fix this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]]: You might look into: [https://github.com/elementdavv/internet_archive_downloader Internet Archive Downloader]. It is fashioned as a browser extension and it does not sound appropriate since based just on the name it seems to target Internet Archive but it also has a HathiTrust downloader called &quot;Ayesha&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: If someone does start buying hard to find PD works for scanning, I recommend they donate the purchases to some place like Internet Archive after the scanning is completed. That said, I do wonder what happened to the &quot;Current funds: $20&quot; at the now historical purchases page. Did someone abscond with those funds? It surely matters little now but it does leave a trailing question mark of a sort. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 04:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Though there's been no opposition, it looks like there aren't people interested in this, so I don't know if we'd be a very useful pilot wiki. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Thanks for your message. Given that there was no opposition, we turned it on on your wiki. We hope it will be useful for your work anyway, so let us know what they think about it. Please ping me under this thread or use my talk page to get messages to me. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::So far I can see no instructions either here or on Meta as to how to initiate or use this &quot;feature&quot;. Nothing shows up for me when editing in the Page: namespace or here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: on template pages, next to the &quot;watch&quot; star, there's now a bookmark icon to mark a template as favorite. When editing (with the editing toolbar enabled), the TemplateWizard (the puzzle icon [https://doc.wikimedia.org/oojs-ui/master/demos/dist/themes/wikimediaui/images/icons/puzzle-ltr.svg]) now offers you when opened your list of favorite templates. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] for beating me to it. I will bring up the necessity for more documentation about the feature. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ah. So, as I only switch on the space-hungry sprawling monstrosity of an editing toolbar when training beginners, I'm not the target audience. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: (@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]: On the space-hungry side: the toolbar has a few actually useful for regular buttons; notably the OCR button or the page image manipulation buttons when editing in pagespace. To keep those, what I do is CSS away (display: none) all the other ones. That might interest you.)
:::::: @[[User:Sannita (WMF)]]: Also, tell the devs that in V10 the bookmark icon is much larger than the star next to it or the rest of #p-views. Probably a fixed size or something. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Will report, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives]] ==

Two points:
* I have just added recent months to the index as they were not there. Is it not possible to have that done automatically ?
* I note that up to 2021, there is included a list of topics for each month. Was that added manually ? I guess nobody is too worried by that now. 
-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: I think all that's manual up to now, yes.
: On the month listing: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives&amp;oldid=15143105 I've just] added an automatic prefixindex list archive box (also in a multi-column layout, reduces the scrolling). Looking good to you?
: On topic: if someone feels like it they're free to but I don't think it's very useful; the search form can already very easily find specific topics. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. When I look, it has &quot;Manual - Historical&quot; vertically beside the new box. I don't know how to correct that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Should be fixed. (Was an issue with the floating.) Also took the occasion to move the automated toc further down. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I still see the headings vertical at the side. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Huh. I can't reproduce by switching to any of the available skins. Could you perhaps &quot;save page&quot; as you see it and put that somewhere in a temporary file storage on the web? Would allow me to debut. A screenshot of what you're seeing would also help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Is the problem the box is for you only ~200px wide? It's supposed to be full-width. If that was the issue, I just tried another fix that should hopefully make it full-width. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Feedback on an idea to tell new editors adding content in mainspace directly that it's a bad idea ==

Many new users start creating works before getting in touch with the community and knowing the &quot;right&quot; way to do it; they often end up doing stuff like people did here around 2010 (mediawiki headers for titles, arbitrary formatting, no source/only a link as source, &amp;c). Warning (gently) users that are creating non-scan-backed works would probably help.

I was thinking of an edit filter along the lines of:
* if a new user
* creates a page
* with \{\{[Hh]eader[\}\|], but without \{\{[Vv]ersions[\}\|] or \{\{[Dd](ab|isambiguation)[\|\}]
* not a redirect
* longer than 500 bytes (to not warn someone that just is creating a placeholder page where they will transclude later; the aim is to catch someone adding content in mainspace)
* does not contain \&lt;\s*?pages\s
* does not contain \{\{[Aa]uxTOC[\|\}]; tocs can get damn long sometimes
* then warn the user gently that this isn't the way we do things

These editors adding low-quality works can, just with a bit of nudge, good will and explaining, be taught to create much better stuff. They can be hard to locate, as they're not in contact with the community; the goal of this would be to get them to manifest themselves and ask for help, so we can give it.

Then there is also the question of the exact language of the warning. I think the goals of it would be:
# Encourage them to get help and learn
# Not be too techy or jargon-y
# Not look like scolding or saying &quot;boo! you did bad stuff!&quot;
A proposed draft:

Hello! it looks like you're adding a work directly on a main page. The preferred way to add content is to instead use [[Help:transclusion|transclusion]] from an [[Help:Index pages|index page]]. If you're not sure what this means or you have other questions, feel free to ask them at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]].{{br}}
{{em}}{{sm|If you are ''not'' adding content directly to the main namespace, please report this false positive to [[WS:AN]].}}

What do you think?— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds a good idea to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
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*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
{{closed/s|1=Speedy-deleted per [[WS:CSD#M2]] - unneeded redirects}}
I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

This page contains an English heading and Latin text. It has not been touched since 2018 and is not linked from the rest of the work (which is incomplete, but that's another matter). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
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:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
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:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
{{closed/s|result=Lives of Rhet. &amp; Gramm. kept; scan backing in progress. Fragments deleted as extract.}}
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
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I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

This page contains an English heading and Latin text. It has not been touched since 2018 and is not linked from the rest of the work (which is incomplete, but that's another matter). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept; now backed by scan, though this was never mentioned in discussion.}}
This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
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:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
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:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
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:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
{{closed/s|result=Lives of Rhet. &amp; Gramm. kept; scan backing in progress. Fragments deleted as extract.}}
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
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I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

This page contains an English heading and Latin text. It has not been touched since 2018 and is not linked from the rest of the work (which is incomplete, but that's another matter). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept; now backed by scan, though this was never mentioned in discussion.}}
This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
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:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
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:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
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:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
{{closed/s|result=Lives of Rhet. &amp; Gramm. kept; scan backing in progress. Fragments deleted as extract.}}
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
{{closed/s|1=Speedy-deleted per [[WS:CSD#M2]] - unneeded redirects}}
I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept; now backed by scan, though this was never mentioned in discussion.}}
This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
{{closed/s|result=Lives of Rhet. &amp; Gramm. kept; scan backing in progress. Fragments deleted as extract.}}
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
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I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

This page contains an English heading and Latin text. It has not been touched since 2018 and is not linked from the rest of the work (which is incomplete, but that's another matter). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Advancement of Learning]] ==

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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept; now backed by scan, though this was never mentioned in discussion.}}
This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
{{closed/s|result=Lives of Rhet. &amp; Gramm. kept; scan backing in progress. Fragments deleted as extract.}}
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]] now scan-backed and moved into the main volume and scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} Since these ''are'' redundant duplicates, would you object to merging the edit histories in some way? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Not at all. (In fact, it probably is the better option than a plain deletion.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Scan of terrible quality, often unreadable.}}
Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== Kama Sutra ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Abandoned duplicate of scan-backed copy.}}
I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: They are not scanning artifacts ''as per se'' because IA builds its PDFs just fine in most cases. These are artifacts of an error in the DjVu build process IA-Upload employs. The DjVus should have the same page leaves as the PDFs built by IA. Not all derived scan images should become page leaves. This is controlled by {{code|lang=xml|&lt;addToAccessFormats&gt;false&lt;/addToAccessFormats&gt;}} in the {{code|scandata}} XML (sometimes a prefixed file other times in a zip of its own). So far as I know, IA-Upload, ignores this data and blindly assumes all the JP2 images in the derived (non-raw) archive (not always a {{code|zip}}; sometimes a {{code|tar}}, etc.) should becomes page leaves and thus injects these erroneous &quot;pages&quot; that then subsequently cause OCR misalignment when the {{code|djvu}} XML is applied. IA-Upload also does not handle IA items that have more than a single multipaged media file associated with them like those that have multiple PDFs for each volume of a multi-volume book set, etc. I like the {{em text|idea}} of building our own media from the derived image sets but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 12:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yes, I know. &quot;scanning artifacts&quot; was a clumsy term to describe that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Various texts imported by [[User:Supersubstantial 3301]] ==

* [[Index:Book-of-the-dead-7.71.djvu]]
* [[Index:Biology.by Hristijan Joshevski Publication date 2024-01-24 Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0Creative Commons Licensepublicdomain Topics bean Collection opensource Language English Item Size 1,021.6K.djvu]]
* [[Index:America A Democracy ( 1) by Specificcontentco Sole Proprietor.djvu]]
* [[Index:J807GBoh2fbGZ7nsSQtAqRV32M8AG1U5YqLqCVagZhaYNjb8.djvu]]

These are all printouts of Internet content which don't appear to be in scope. &quot;Book of the dead&quot; and &quot;Biology&quot; are gibberish. &quot;America A Democracy&quot; is an essay with no clear author. &quot;J807...&quot; is a mathematical document defining an extremely large number with no particular purpose. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:And similarly for [[Index:Hikayat Nabi Jusuf.djvu]]; this appears to be a computer printout of another transcription, not a source document. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:: In case anyone else is about to point to the spots on the pages as I nearly just did: it's the exact same spots on every page. Looking closer also, the layout looks really odd for a ostensibly 1914 work (running header without middle cell; paragraphs spaced).
:: {{vd}} for all. Especially concerning is that last one which is plain fabrication; attempting to pass a printout for an actual source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The metadata on [https://dn721300.ca.archive.org/0/items/hikayat-nabi-jusuf/HIKAYAT_NABI_JUSUF.pdf the source PDF on archive.org] says it was created yesterday using PDFLaTeX - it's a computer printout with a decorative background, not a scan. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} These look like hoaxes. And a long-absent editor {{User|Tamatakon01}}, has suddenly resurfaced to validate multiple pages per minute. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}. As has been said multiple times, these sources look like hoaxes, or at the very best outright misunderstandings of what technology they're even working with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 04:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of Paraguay]] ==

This text is incomplete and unsourced, and has been so since it was added in 2016. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

== Spectacles and Eyeglasses redirects ==
{{closed/s|1=Speedy-deleted per [[WS:CSD#M2]] - unneeded redirects}}
I just moved:
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (2nd edition)]]
* [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment]] to [[Spectacles and Eyeglasses (5th edition)]]
Both editions have the same title (''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'') and the same subtitle (''Their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'') so that was not a useful way to differentiate them.

Now I'm left with these redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Spectacles and Eyeglasses]]) where page names that could equally refer to either edition redirects to one specific one. ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses, their forms, mounting, and proper adjustment'' redirecting to ''Spectacles and Eyeglasses'' is fitting and proper but could the rest (the chapter specific ones) be deleted? [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 16:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[De Materia Medica]] ==

A non-scan-backed translation project (now in the wrong namespace) containing overwhelmingly non-English text, with what looks like a bit of a complicated history.

* '''On the work itself:''' The original was apparently from 40 AD, but was translated into German c. 1904 by [[Author:Julius Berendes|Julius Berendes]]. No English public-domain version was used here (presumably, no PD English translation exists).
* '''On the transcription project:''' This entire project was piloted by [[User:Mike Serfas|Mike Serfas]], who hasn't been active since '''2010''' at all, and this project has been left to sit largely untouched since. Serfas's intention was to do a complete user translation of the German version, using a &quot;translate-by-replacing-text-as-you-go&quot; workflow. In other words, it started by placing the entire German text on the enWS pages for the work, but the project was abandoned before much was done. So, the result of this abandoned initiative is that you can barely even tell that this transcription has any English in it, aside from a few needles in a haystack where Serfas replaced bits of text with English.

So, the major reasons to delete:
# Most importantly, the work is 99% in German, not English, due to the project's abandonment.
# The work is not scan-backed at all, so the sourcing method is dubious by modern WS standards.
# This is the wrong place / way to do translations on Wikisource now, as they're now supposed to be hosted in the Translation: namespace using a specific sourcing method and workflow, one which wasn't employed here, perhaps due to the less rigid enWS standards of 2010.

There are a number of minor issues too, such as that &quot;chapter numbering and comments by Berendes are missing from the current scan,&quot; or that certain other liberties seem to have been taken (like &quot;An alphabetized index (in German) duplicating the above terms has been omitted here.&quot;) So, the work is inherently incomplete in ''many'' ways. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:While reasons 2 and 3 can be addressed by grandfathering, reason 1 is a valid concern. {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness.. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} I find an English edition of [https://archive.org/details/greekherbalofdio0000dios 1934] (copyright renewed) that mentions a version &quot;Englished&quot; by John Goodyer in 1655.  But I found no scan.  Commons has a scan of a [[:File:Goodyer Dioscorides p91.jpg|single page]] which appears to be hand written.  I do not know whether this means the &quot;Englished&quot; copy was perhaps handwritten and unpublished, or perhaps this was preserved as part of his draft work.  Without access to the 1934 text for more information, I don't know.  The Biodiversity Heritage Library does not have a scan or record, if the book was indeed published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Suspicions confirmed: &quot;Gunther also edited Goodyer’s translation of Dioscorides, which was published by Oxford University Press in 1934&quot; [https://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/blog/the-john-goodyer-collection-of-botanical-books/], so 1934 is the earliest English publication date, and the work existed only in manuscript before that date. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Correct, https://archive.org/details/earlybritishbota00gunt/page/84 it was interlinear in 6 quarto volumes. Add to the requested list for 1934 I guess... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Already done.  I've also searched, but cannot find, a Loeb Classics edition.  Not even a recent one.  There ''are'' internet posts lamenting this lack of a Loeb edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As above {{vd}} for abandonment and incompleteness. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}}. While ''De materia medica'' is unquestionably a historically significant text, performing this sort of third-order translation (Greek to Latin to German to English) seems like an inherently questionable approach. Editions of the Greek and Latin versions have scans available, e.g. [https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_YWJE2oD4VOEC]; transcribing that on the appropriate Wikisource, then translating directly from Latin, would probably provide more long-term value than translating a German edition of unknown quality. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 22:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jane Austen compilations ==

* [[Jane Austen Prayers]]
* [[Jane Austen Poems]]
These two appear to be arbitrary user-created compilations. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Odes (Horace)/Book II/14]] ==

This page contains an English heading and Latin text. It has not been touched since 2018 and is not linked from the rest of the work (which is incomplete, but that's another matter). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Advancement of Learning]] ==

It looks like the IP who added it in 2011 discarded all formatting (compare [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hwt6hn&amp;seq=55]). Also completely unsourced (possibly taken from PG; but not sure). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Complete Encyclopaedia of Music]] ==

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=={{anchor|Ma}}Ma/Má==
* [[Author:Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri|Al-Maʿarri, Abul ʿAla]] (973–1057)
* [[Author:Abū Jaʿfar Abdullāh al-Maʾmūn ibn Harūn|al-Maʾmūn ibn Harūn, Abū Jaʿfar Abdullāh]] (786–833)
* [[Author:Anthony John Maas|Maas, Anthony John]] (1858–1927)
* [[Author:Hamilton Wright Mabie|Mabie, Hamilton Wright]] (1846–1916)
* [[Author:Alexander Macalister|Macalister, Alexander]] (1844–1919)
* [[Author:Robert Alexander Stewart Macalister|Macalister, Robert Alexander Stewart]] (1870–1950)
* [[Author:Diosdado Macapagal|Macapagal, Diosdado]] (1910–1997)
* [[Author:Douglas MacArthur|'''MacArthur, Douglas''']] (1880–1964)
* [[Author:Arthur John Macarthur-Onslow|Macarthur-Onslow, Arthur John]] (1873–1953)
* [[Author:George Campbell Macaulay|Macaulay, George Campbell]] (1852–1915)
* [[Author:James Macaulay (1817-1902)|Macaulay, James]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Thomas Babington Macaulay|Macaulay, Thomas Babington]] (1800–1859)
* [[Author: William Herrick Macaulay|Macaulay, William Herrick]] (1853–1936)
* [[Author:Max Arthur Macauliffe|Macauliffe, Max Arthur]] (1841–1913)
* [[Author:Denis Florence MacCarthy|MacCarthy, Denis Florence]] (1817–1882)
* [[Author:Dugald Sutherland MacColl|MacColl, Dugald Sutherland]] (1859–1948)
* [[Author:Norman MacColl|MacColl, Norman]] (1843–1904)
* [[Author:Henry Maccormac|Maccormac, Henry]] (1800–1886)
* [[Author:William MacCormac|MacCormac, William]] (1836–1901)
* [[Author:John MacCulloch|MacCulloch, John]] (1773–1835)
* [[Author:Michael MacDonagh|MacDonagh, Michael]] (1862–1946)
* [[Author:Ballard MacDonald|MacDonald, Ballard]] (1882–1935)
* [[Author:Duncan Black MacDonald|MacDonald, Duncan Black]] (1863–1943)
* [[Author:George MacDonald|MacDonald, George]] (1824–1905)
* [[Author:Greville MacDonald|MacDonald, Greville]] (1856–1944)
* [[Author:Iain Lom MacDonald|MacDonald, Iain Lom]] (c. 1624–c. 1710)
* [[Author:James Macdonald (1829-1887)|Macdonald, James]] (1829–1887)
* [[Author:James Ramsay MacDonald|MacDonald, James Ramsay]] (1866–1937)
* [[Author:Sir John A. Macdonald|Macdonald, Sir John A.]] (1815–1891)
* [[Author:John A. Macdonald|Macdonald, Captain John Alexander]] (1846–1922)
* [[Author:William Macdonald|Macdonald, William]] (1863–1938)
* [[Author:William Rae Macdonald|Macdonald, William Rae]] (1843–1923)
* [[Author:Agnes Macdonell|Macdonell, Agnes]] (1840–1925)
* [[Author:Arthur Anthony Macdonell|Macdonell, Arthur Anthony]] (1854–1930)
* [[Author:George Paul Macdonell|Macdonell, George Paul]] (1855–1895)
* [[Author:John Macdonell|Macdonell, John]] (1846–1921)
* [[Author:John Cotter Macdonnell|Macdonnell, John Cotter]] (1822–1902)
* [[Author:George Gordon Macdougall|Macdougall, George Gordon]] (1799–1835)
* [[Author:Alexandru Macedonski|Macedonski, Alexandru]] (1854–1920)
* [[Author:Allan Macfadyen|Macfadyen, Allan]] (1860–1907)
* [[Author:Dugald Macfadyen|Macfadyen, Dugald]] (1867–1936)
* [[Author:John Macfarlane|Macfarlane, John]] (1866–1906)
* [[Author:William Godsoe MacFarlane|MacFarlane, William Godsoe]] (1870–1942)
* [[Author:Charles Macfaull|Macfaull, Charles]] (1800–1846)
* [[Author:Evan James Macgillivray|Macgillivray, Evan James]] (1873–1955)
* [[Author: John MacGillivray|MacGillivray, John]] (1821–1867)
* [[Author:John Macgregor (1797-1857)|Macgregor, John]] (1797—1857)
* [[Author:Josef Mach|Mach, Josef]] (1883–1951)
* [[Author:Karel Hynek Mácha|'''Mácha, Karel Hynek''']] (1810–1836)
* [[Author:Simeon Karel Macháček|Macháček, Simeon Karel]] (1799–1846)
* [[Author:Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis|Machado de Assis, Joaquim Maria]] (1839–1908)
* [[Author:Jan Hanuš Máchal|Máchal, Jan Hanuš]] (1855–1939)
* [[Author:Agnes Maule Machar|Machar, Agnes Maule]] (1837–1927)
* [[Author:Josef Svatopluk Machar|Machar, Josef Svatopluk]] (1864–1942)
* [[Author:Antonín Machek|Machek, Antonín]] (1775–1844)
* [[Author:Arthur Machen|Machen, Arthur]] (1863–1947)
* [[Author:John Gresham Machen|Machen, John Gresham]] (1881–1937)
* [[Author:Niccolò Machiavelli|'''Machiavelli, Niccolò''']] (1469–1527)
* [[Author:John Machin|Machin, John]] (1696–1751)
* [[Author:Amy Eleanor Mack|Mack, Amy Eleanor]] (1876–1939)
* [[Author:Marie Louise Hamilton Mack|Mack, Marie Louise Hamilton]] (1870–1935)
* [[Author:Denis Mackail|Mackail, Denis]] (1892–1971)
* [[Author:John William Mackail|Mackail, John William]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:George Henry Mackaness|Mackaness, George Henry]] (1882–1968)
* [[Author:Aeneas James George Mackay|Mackay, Aeneas James George]] (1839–1911)
* [[Author:Charles Mackay (1814-1889)|Mackay, Charles]] (1814–1889)
* [[Author:George Eric Mackay|Mackay, George Eric]] (1851–1898)
* [[Author:William Paton MacKay|MacKay, William Paton]] (1839—1885)
* [[Author:Dorothea Mackellar|Mackellar, Isobel Marion Dorothea]] (1885–1968)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackenzie (1822-1892)|Mackenzie, Alexander]] (1822–1892)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackenzie (1838-1898)|Mackenzie, Alexander]] (1838–1898)
* [[Author:Alexander Slidell Mackenzie|Mackenzie, Alexander Slidell]] (1803–1848)
* [[Author:Colin Mackenzie (1754-1821)|Mackenzie, Colin]] (1754–1821)
* [[Author:Colin Mackenzie (1806-1881)|Mackenzie, Colin]] (1806–1881)
* [[Author:John Morell Mackenzie|Mackenzie, John Morell]] (1806–1843)
* [[Author:John Stuart Mackenzie|Mackenzie, John Stuart]] (1860–1935)
* [[Author:William Lyon Mackenzie|Mackenzie, William Lyon]] (1795–1861)
* [[Author:Charles Mackeson|Mackeson, Charles]] (1843–1899)
* [[Author:Albert Gallatin Mackey|Mackey, Albert Gallatin]] (1807–1881)
* [[Author:Henry Benedict Mackey|Mackey, Henry Benedict]] (1846–1906)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackie|Mackie, Alexander]] (1855–1915)
* [[Author:William Mackie|Mackie, William]] (1799–1860)
* [[Author:Halford John Mackinder|Mackinder, Halford John]] (1861–1947)
* [[Author:James Mackinnon|Mackinnon, James]] (1860–1945)
* [[Author:Ewart Alan Mackintosh|Mackintosh, Ewart Alan]] (1893–1917)
* [[Author:James MacKintosh|MacKintosh, James]] (''fl.'' 19th century)
* [[Author:John Macky|Macky, John]] (?–1726)
* [[Author:Eric Robert Dalrymple Maclagan|Maclagan, Eric Robert Dalrymple]] (1879–1951)
* [[Author:William Maclay|Maclay, William]] (1737–1804)
* [[Author:Hector Maclean|Maclean, Hector]] (1728–?)
* [[Author:John Maclean|Maclean, John]] (1879–1923)
* [[Author:Katherine MacLean|MacLean, Katherine]] (1925–)
* [[Author:Norman Maclean|Maclean, Rev. Norman Fitzroy]] (1902–1990)
* [[Author:George Frederick Maclear|Maclear, George Frederick]] (1833–1902)
* [[Author:Alexander Macleay|Macleay, Alexander]] (1767–1848)
* [[Author:Archibald MacLeish|MacLeish, Archibald]] (1892–1982)
* [[Author:Henry Dunning Macleod|Macleod, Henry Dunning]] (1821—1902)
* [[Author:Xavier Donald MacLeod|MacLeod, Xavier Donald]] (1821–1865)
* [[Author:John Henry MacMahon|MacMahon, John Henry]] (1829–1900)
* [[Author:Percy Alexander MacMahon|MacMahon, Percy Alexander]] (1854–1929)
* [[Author:Archibald McKellar MacMechan|MacMechan, Archibald McKellar]] (1862–1933)
* [[Author:Hugh Macmillan|Macmillan, Hugh]] (1833–1903)
* [[Author:Alexander Macmorran|Macmorran, Alexander]] (1852–1933)
* [[Author:Charles Alexander MacMunn|MacMunn, Charles Alexander]] (1852–1911)
* [[Author:William Hay MacNaghten|MacNaghten, Sir William Hay]] (1793–1841)
* [[Author:Eric Denvers Macnamara|Macnamara, Eric Denvers]] (1874–1934)
* [[Author:Nigel MacNeill|MacNeill, Nigel]] (fl. 1892)
* [[Author:Kenneth MacNichol|MacNichol, Kenneth]] (1887–1955)
* [[Author:Andrew Macphail|Macphail, Sir Andrew]] (1864–1938)
* [[Author:Ewan Macpherson|Macpherson, Ewan]] (?–1915)
* [[Author:John Macpherson (1817-1890)|Macpherson, John]] (1817–1890)
* [[Author:Katherine Sarah MacQuoid|MacQuoid, Katherine Sarah]] (1824–1917)
* [[Author:William Dunn Macray|Macray, William Dunn]] (1826–1916)
* [[Author:Emmanuel Macron|Macron, Emmanuel]] (b. 1977)
* [[Author:Joseph MacRory|MacRory, Joseph]] (1861–1945)
* [[Author:Terence MacSwiney|MacSwiney, Terence]] (1879–1920)
* [[Author:Grace Harriet Macurdy|Macurdy, Grace Harriet]] (1866–1946)
* [[Author:Falconer Madan|Madan, Falconer]] (1851–1935)
* [[Author:Dodgson Hamilton Madden|Madden, Dodgson Hamilton]] (1840–1928)
* [[Author:Edward Madden|Madden, Edward]] (1878–1952)
* [[Author:James Madison|'''Madison, James''']] (1751–1836)
* [[Author:Thomas Madox|Madox, Thomas]] (1666–1727)
* [[Author:Maurice Maeterlinck|Maeterlinck, Maurice]] (1862–1949)
* [[Author:Angelus Francis Xavier Maffei|Maffei, Angelus Francis Xavier]] (1844–1899)
* [[Author:John Gillespie Magee, Jr.|Magee, John Gillespie, Jr.]] (1922–1941)
* [[Author:William Magee|Magee, William]] (1766—1831)
* [[Author:William Kirkpatrick Magee|Magee, William Kirkpatrick]] (1868–1961)
* [[Author:Davit Maghradze|Maghradze, Davit]] (1962–)
* [[Author:Antonio Magliabechi|Magliabechi, Antonio]] (1633–1714)
* [[Author:Heinrich Gustav Magnus|Magnus, Heinrich Gustav]] (1802–1870)
* [[Author:Philip Magnus|Magnus, Philip]] (1842–1933)
* [[Author:Ramon Magsaysay|Magsaysay, Ramon]] (1907–1957)
* [[Author:John Pentland Mahaffy|Mahaffy, John Pentland]] (1839–1919)
* [[Author:Alfred Thayer Mahan|Mahan, Alfred Thayer]] (1840–1914)
* [[Author:Abu-Abdullah Muhammad ibn Īsa Māhānī|ibn Īsa Māhānī, Abu-Abdullah Muhammad]] (ca. 820–c. 884)
* [[Author:Ramana Maharshi|Maharshi, Ramana]] (1879–1950)
* [[Author:Victor Charles Mahillon|Mahillon, Victor-Charles]] (1841–1924)
* [[Author:Francis Sylvester Mahony|Mahony, Francis Sylvester]] (1804–1866)
* [[Author:Maimonides|'''Maimonides''']] (1135–1204)
* [[Author:Henry Maine|Maine, Henry]] (1822–1888)
* [[Author:Frederic William Maitland|Maitland, Frederic William]] (1850–1906)
* [[Author:John Alexander Fuller Maitland|Maitland, John Alexander Fuller]] (1856–1936)
* [[Author:Vivian Dering Majendie|Majendie, Vivian Dering]] (1836–1898)
* [[Author:Antonín Majer|Majer, Antonín]] (1882–1963)
* [[Author:Marie Majerová|Majerová, Marie]] (1882–1967)
* [[Author:Richard Henry Major|Major, Richard Henry]] (1818–1891)
* [[Author:Quirino Majorana|Majorana, Quirino]] (1871–1957)
* [[Author:Ramesh Chandra Majumdar|Majumdar, Ramesh Chandra]] (1888–1980)
* [[Author:Marie Makousky|Makousky, Marie]] (1905–1955)
* [[Author:Desanka Maksimović|Maksimović, Desanka]] (1898–1993)
* [[Author:Kornel Makuszyński|Makuszyński, Kornel]] (1884–1953)
* [[Author:Errico Malatesta|Malatesta, Errico]] (1853–1932)
* [[Author:John Malcolm (1769-1833)|Malcolm, John]] (1769–1833)
* [[Author:John Malcolm (1795-1835)|Malcolm, John]] (1795–1835)
* [[Author:Neill Malcolm|Malcolm, Neill]] (1869–1953)
* [[Author:Malcolm X|'''Malcolm X''']] (1925–1965)
* [[Author:François de Malherbe|Malherbe, François de]] (1555–1628) 
* [[Author:Bronisław Malinowski|Malinowski, Bronisław]] (1884–1942)
* [[Author:Benjamin Heath Malkin|Malkin, Benjamin Heath]] (1769–1842)
* [[Author:Stéphane Mallarmé|Mallarmé, Stéphane]] (1842–1898)
* [[Author:George Bruce Malleson|Malleson, George Bruce]] (1825–1898)
* [[Author:Bernard Mallet|Mallet, Sir Bernard]] (1859–1932)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Mallet|Mallet, Sir Charles Edward]] (1862–1947)
* [[Author:David Mallet|Mallet, David]] (1705–1765)
* [[Author:Louis Mallet|Mallet, Louis]] (1823–1890)
* [[Author:John William Mallett|Mallett, John William]] (1832–1912)
* [[Author:Mark Malloch Brown|Malloch Brown, Mark]] (1953–present)
* [[Author:George Herbert Leigh Mallory|Mallory, George Herbert Leigh]] (1886–1924)
* [[Author:Stephen Russell Mallory|Mallory, Stephen Russell]] (1813–1873)
* [[Author:Cecil John L'Estrange Malone|Malone, Cecil John L'Estrange]] (1890–1965)
* [[Author:Thomas Malory|'''Malory, Thomas''']] (1405–1471)
* [[Author:Hector Malot|Malot, Hector]] (1830–1907)
* [[Author:Marcello Malpighi|Malpighi, Marcello Malpighi]] (1628–1694)
* [[Author:Milo Roy Maltbie|Maltbie, Milo Roy]] (1871–1962)
* [[Author:Saraph Elizabeth Maltbie Dean|Maltbie, Sarah Elizabeth]] (1852–1925)
* [[Author:Thomas Malthus|'''Malthus, Thomas''']] (1766–1834)
* [[Author:Goffredo Mameli|Mameli, Goffredo]] (1827–1849)
* [[Author:Hiren Mandaliya|Mandaliya, Hiren]] (?–?)
* [[Author:Nelson Mandela|'''Mandela, Nelson''']] (1918–2013)
* [[Author:Osip Mandelstam|Mandelstam, Osip Emilyevich]] (1891–1938)
* [[Author:Henry Mandeville|Mandeville, Henry]] (1804—1858)
* [[Author:John Mandeville|Mandeville, John]]
* [[Author:Antonín Mánes|Mánes, Antonín]] (1784–1843)
* [[Author:Josef Mánes|Mánes, Josef]] (1820–1871)
* [[Author:Quido Mánes|Mánes, Quido]] (1828–1880)
* [[Author:Édouard Manet|Manet, Édouard]] (1832–1883)
* [[Author:Antonio Manetti|Manetti, Antonio]] (1423–1497)
* [[Author:James Clarence Mangan|Mangan, James Clarence]] (1803–1849)
* [[Author:Mangasar Mugurditch Mangasarian|Mangasarian, M.M.]] (1859–1943)
* [[Author:Delarivier Manley|Manley, Delarivier]] (c. 1670–1724)
* [[Author:John Matthews Manly|Manly, John Matthews]] (1865–1940)
* [[Author:Charles Holbrook Mann|Mann, Charles Holbrook]] (1839–1918)
* [[Author:Heinrich Mann|Mann, Heinrich]] (1871–1950)
* [[Author:James Saumarez Mann|Mann, James Saumarez]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Thomas Mann (1875-1955)|'''Mann, Thomas''']] (1875–1955)
* [[Author:Clarence Augustus Manning|Manning, Clarence Augustus]] (1893–1972)
* [[Author:Henry Edward Manning|Manning, Henry Edward]] (1808–1892)
* [[Author:William Ray Manning|Manning, William Ray]] (1871–1942)
* [[Author:William Thomas Manning|Manning, William Thomas]] (1866–1949)
* [[Author:Robert Mannyng|Mannyng, Robert]] (1275–1338)
* [[Author:John Clavell Mansel-Pleydell|Mansel-Pleydell, John Clavell]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Katherine Mansfield|Mansfield, Katherine]] (1888–1923)
* [[Author:Edward Manson|Manson, Edward]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:James Alexander Manson|Manson, James Alexander]] (1851–1921)
* [[Author:Riyad Mansour|Mansour, Riyad]] (1947– )
* [[Author:Burns Mantle|Mantle, Burns]] (1873–1948)
* [[Author:Mao Zedong|'''Mao Zedong''']] (1893–1976)
* [[Author:Julius Eduard Mařák|Mařák, Julius Eduard]] (1832–1899)
* [[Author:Jean-Paul Marat|Marat, Jean-Paul]] (1743–1793)
* [[Author:Annie Russell Marble|Marble, Annie Russell]] (1864–1936)
* [[Author:Marcellin Marbot|Marbot, Marcellin]] (1782–1854)
* [[Author:Claude Victor André Marcel|Marcel, Claude Victor André]] (1793–1876)
* [[Author:Gabriel Marcel|Marcel, Gabriel]] (1843–1909)
* [[Author:Marcellus II|Marcellus II, Pope]] (1501–1555)
* [[Author:Alexander Marcet|Marcet, Alexander]] (1770–1822)
* [[Author:Jane Haldimand Marcet|Marcet, Jane Haldimand]] (1769–1858)
* [[Author:Joseph Moncure March|March, Joseph Moncure]] (1899–1977)
* [[Author:Désiré Marchal|Marchal, Désiré]] (fl. 1860s)
* [[Author:Richard Felix Marchand|Marchand, Richard Felix]] (1813–1850)
* [[Author:Edgar Cardew Marchant|Marchant, Edgar Cardew]] (1864–1960)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Marcos|Marcos, Ferdinand]] (1917–1989)
* [[Author:Henry William Mardon|Mardon, Henry William]]
* [[Author:Walter de la Mare|Mare, Walter John de la]] (1873–1956)
* [[Author:Robert Ranulph Marett|Marett, Robert Ranulph]] (1866–1943)
* [[Author:Rhoda Margesson|Margesson, Rhoda]]
* [[Author:David Samuel Margoliouth|Margoliouth, David Samuel]] (1858–1940)
* [[Author:Edmond Marin la Meslee|Marin la Meslée, Edmond]] (1852–1893)
* [[Author:Tom Marino|Marino, Tom]] (1952–)
* [[Author:Arthur Elmer Marriott|Marriott, Arthur Elmer]] (1884–1944)
* [[Author:Charles John Bruce Marriott|Marriott, Charles John Bruce]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:John Arthur Ransome Marriott|Mariott, John Arthur Ransome]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:Edme Mariotte|Mariotte, Edme]] (1620–1684)
* [[Author:Gerharda Hermina Marius|Marius, Gerharda Hermina]] (1854–1919)
* [[Author:Edward L. Mark|Mark, Edward Laurens]] (1847–1946)
* [[Author:William Markby|Markby, William]] (1829–1914)
* [[Author:Albert Hastings Markham|Markham, Sir Albert Hastings]] (1841–1918)
* [[Author:Clements Robert Markham|Markham, Clements Robert]] (1830–1916)
* [[Author:Alfred Marks|Marks, Alfred]] (1833–1912)
* [[Author:Leo Markun|Markun, Leo]] (1901–1932)
* [[Author:Christopher Marlowe|'''Marlowe, Christopher''']] (1564–1593)
* [[Author:Albert Nelson Marquis|Marquis, Albert Nelson]] (1855–1943)
* [[Author:Don Marquis|'''Marquis, Don''']] (1878–1937)
* [[Author:Frederick Marryat|Marryat, Frederick]] (1792–1848)
* [[Author:Narcissus Marsh|Marsh, Narcissus]] ((1638–1713)
* [[Author:Othniel Charles Marsh|Marsh, Othniel Charles]] (1831–1899)
* [[Author:Arthur Hammond Marshall|Marshall, Arthur Hammond]] (1866–1934), wrote as Archibald Marshall
* [[Author:Arthur Milnes Marshall|Marshall, Arthur Milnes]] (1852–1893)
* [[Author:Charles Marshall|Marshall, Charles]] (1830–1902)
* [[Author:Edward Henry Marshall|Marshall, Edward Henry]] (1850–1909)
* [[Author:Florence Ashton Marshall|Marshall, Florence Ashton]] (1843–1922)
* [[Author:George Marshall|Marshall, George]] (1880–1959)
* [[Author:John Marshall (1755-1835)|'''Marshall, John''']] (1755–1835)
* [[Author:Julian Marshall|Marshall, Julian]] (1836–1903)
* [[Author:Newton Herbert Marshall|Marshall, Newton Herbert]] (1871–1914)
* [[Author:Robert Marshall|Marshall, Robert &quot;Bob&quot;]] (1901–1939)
* [[Author:Thurgood Marshall|'''Marshall, Thurgood''']] (1908–1993)
* [[Author:John Marston|Marston, John]] (1576–1634)
* [[Author:John Westland Marston|Marston, John Westland]] (1819–1890)
* [[Author:Philip Bourke Marston|Marston, Philip Bourke]] (1850–1887)
* [[Author:William Moulton Marston|Marston, William Moulton]] (1893–1947)
* [[Author:Charles Martel|Martel, Charles]] (c. 686–741)
* [[Author:Frederick Herman Martens|Martens, Frederick Herman]] (1874–1932)
* [[Author:Martial|Martialis, Marcus Valerius]] (41–104)
* [[Author:Alfred Trice Martin|Martin, Alfred Trice]] (1855–1926)
* [[Author:Arthur Patchett Martin|Martin, Arthur Patchett]] (1851–1902)
* [[Author:Charles Trice Martin|Martin, Charles Trice]] (1842–1914)
* [[Author:Civilla Durfee Martin|Martin, Civilla Durfee]] (1866–1948)
* [[Author:Claude Martin|Martin, Claude]] (1735–1800)
* [[Author:Frances Martin|Martin, Frances]] (1829–1922)
* [[Author:Geoffrey Haward Martin|Martin, Geoffrey Haward]] (1928–2007)
* [[Author:Helen Reimensnyder Martin|Martin, Helen Reimensnyder]] (1868–1939)
* [[Author:James Martin (1783-1860)|Martin, James]] (1783–1860)
* [[Author:Joseph Gregory Martin|Martin, Joseph Gregory]] (1800s)
* [[Author:Theodore Martin|Martin, Theodore]] (1816–1909)
* [[Author:William Robert Martin|Martin, William Robert]] (1847–1913)
* [[Author:William Young Martin|Martin, William Young]] (fl. 1876)
* [[Author:Harriet Martineau|Martineau, Harriet]] (1802–1876)
* [[Author:James Martineau|Martineau, James]] (1805–1900)
* [[Author:Evelyn Martinengo-Cesaresco|Martinengo-Cesaresco, Evelyn]] (1852–1931)
* [[Author:John Martley|Martley, John]] (19th C.)
* [[Author:Thomas Martyn|Martyn, Thomas]] (1735–1825)
* [[Author:Marko Marulić|Marulić, Marko]] (1450–1524)
* [[Author:Andrew Marvell|'''Marvell, Andrew''']] (1621–1678)
* [[Author:John Gage Marvin|Marvin, John Gage]] (1815–1855 or 1857)
* [[Author:Winthrop Lippitt Marvin|Marvin, Winthrop Lippitt]] (1863–1926)
* [[Author:Karl Marx|'''Marx, Karl''']] (1818–1883)
* [[Author:Eleanor Marx-Aveling|Marx-Aveling, Eleanor]] (1855–1898)
* [[Author:Frank Thomas Marzials|Marzials, Frank Thomas]] (1840–1912)
* [[Author:Theo Marzials|Marzials, Theo]] (1850–1920)
* [[Author:Tōkichi Masao|Masao, Tōkichi]] (1871–1921)
* [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|'''Masaryk, Tomáš Garrigue''']] (1850–1937)
* [[Author:Alice Garrigue Masaryková|Masaryková, Alice Garrigue]] (1879–1966)
* [[Author:Olga Garrigue Masaryková-Revilliodová|Masaryková-Revilliodová, Olga Garrigue]] (1891–1978)
* [[Author:John Masefield|Masefield, John]] (1878–1967)
* [[Author:Abigail Masham|Masham, Abigail]] (1670–1734)
* [[Author:Samuel Masham|Masham, Samuel]] (1679–1758)
* [[Author:Nan Mashek|Mashek, Nan]] (fl. 1904)
* [[Author:Alfred Ogle Maskell|Maskell, Alfred Ogle]] (1845–1912)
* [[Author:William Maskell|Maskell, William]] (1814–1890)
* [[Author:John Nevil Maskelyne|Maskelyne, John Nevil]] (1839–1917)
* [[Author:Nevil Story Maskelyne|Maskelyne, Nevil Story]] (1823–1911)
* [[Author:Lubomír Masner|Lubomír Masner]] (1934–)
* [[Author:Alexander Mason|Mason, Alexander]]
* [[Author:Alfred Edward Woodley Mason|Mason, A. E. W.]] (1865–1948)
* [[Author:Arthur James Mason|Mason, Arthur James]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Charles Peter Mason|Mason, Charles Peter]] (1820–1900)
* [[Author:Charlotte Maria Shaw Mason|Mason, Charlotte Marie]] (1842–1923)
* [[Author:Eugene Mason|Mason, Eugene]] (1862–1935)
* [[Author:Frances Mary Young Mason|Mason, Frances Mary Young]] (1882–1932)
* [[Author:John Mitchell Mason|Mason, John Mitchell]] (1770—1829)
* [[Author:Lawrence Mason|Mason, Lawrence]] (1882–1939)
* [[Author:Lowell Mason|Mason, Lowell]] (1792–1872)
* [[Author:Otis Tufton Mason|Mason, Otis Tufton]] (1838–1908)
* [[Author:Rufus Osgood Mason|Mason, Rufus Osgood]] (1830–1903)
* [[Author:George Massee|Massee, George]] (1850–1917)
* [[Author:Charles Carleton Massey|Massey, Charles Carleton]] (1838–1905)
* [[Author:Gerald Massey|Massey, Gerald]] (1828–1907)
* [[Author:Thomas Harold Massie|Massie, Thomas Harold]] (1971–)
* [[Author:Jean-Baptiste Massillon|Massillon, Jean-Baptiste]] (1663–1742)
* [[Author:Philip Massinger|Massinger, Philip]] (1583–1640)
* [[Author:Hans Ferdinand Massmann|Massmann, Hans Ferdinand]] (1797–1874)
* [[Author:David Masson|Masson, David]] (1822–1907)
* [[Author:David Orme Masson|Masson, David Orme]] (1858–1937)
* [[Author:Flora Masson|Masson, Flora]] (1857–1937)
* [[Author:Thomas Lansing Masson|Masson, Thomas Lansing]] (1866–1934)
* [[Author:Ahmad Shah Massoud|Massoud, Ahmad Shah]] (1953–2001)
* [[Author:Master of Vyšší Brod|Master of Vyšší Brod]] (fl. 1340–1360)
* [[Author:Edgar Lee Masters|Masters, Edgar Lee]] (1868–1950)
* [[Author:Maxwell Tylden Masters|Masters, Maxwell Tylden]] (1833–1907)
* [[Author:Mostafa Mastoor|Mastoor, Mostafa]] (1965–present)
* [[Author:Antonín Matějček|Matějček, Antonín]] (1889–1950)
* [[Author:Rudolf Mates|Mates, Rudolf]] (1881–1966)
* [[Author:Cotton Mather|Mather, Cotton]] (1663–1728)
* [[Author:Frederic Gregory Mather|Mather, Frederic Gregory]] (1844–1925)
* [[Author:Percy Ewing Matheson|Matheson, Percy Ewing]] (1859–1946)
* [[Author:John Frederick Matheus|Matheus, John Frederick]] (1887–1983)
* [[Author:James Charles Mathew|Mathew, Sir James Charles]] (1830–1908)
* [[Author:Murray Alexander Mathew|Mathew, Murray Alexander]] (1838–1908)
* [[Author:George Ballard Mathews|Mathews, George Ballard]] (1861–1922)
* [[Author:Gregory Mathews|Mathews, Gregory]] (1876–1949)
* [[Author:Oliver Mathews|Mathews, Oliver]] (c. 1520–c. 1618)
* [[Author:William Mathews|Mathews, William]] (1818–1909)
* [[Author:William George Maton|Maton, William George]] (1774–1835)
* [[Author:Robert Matteson Johnston|Matteson Johnston, Robert]] (1867–1920)
* [[Author:Arnold Harris Matthew|Matthew, Arnold Harris]] (1852–1919)
* [[Author:Brander Matthews|Matthews, Brander]] (1852–1929)
* [[Author:Donald John Matthews|Matthews, Donald John]] (1873–1956)
* [[Author:Henry Haw Matthews|Matthews, Henry Haw]] (1845–1915)
* [[Author:Philip Walter Matthews|Matthews, Philip Walter]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:Thomas Stanley Matthews|Matthews, Thomas Stanley]] (1824–1889)
* [[Author:Augustus Matthiessen|Matthiessen, Augustus]] (1831–1870)
* [[Author:Claude Matthieu, Count Gardane|Matthieu, Count Gardane, Claude]] (1766–1818)
* [[Author:Pietro Andrea Mattioli|Mattioli, Pietro Andrea Gregorio]] (1501–1577)
* [[Author:Jan Matulka|Matulka, Jan]] (1890–1972)
* [[Author:Albert Adolph Matzke|Matzke, Albert Adolph]] (1881–1947)
* [[Author:Frederic Natusch Maude|Maude, Frederic Natusch]] (1854–1933)
* [[Author:Alfred Percival Maudslay|Maudslay, Alfred Percival]] (1850–1931)
* [[Author:Henry Maudsley|Maudsley, Henry]] (1835–1918)
* [[Author:William Somerset Maugham|'''Maugham, William Somerset''']] (1867–1965)
* [[Author:Cuthbert Maughan|Maughan, Cuthbert]] (1884–1953)
* [[Author:Francis Richard Maunsell|Maunsell, Francis Richard]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:Guy de Maupassant|'''Maupassant, Guy de''']] (1850–1893)
* [[Author:Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis|Maupertuis, Pierre Louis Moreau de]] (1698–1759)
* [[Author:Maurer Maurer|Maurer, Maurer]] ({{floruit}} 20th century)
* [[Author:Richard Steel Maurice|Maurice, Richard Steel]] (1827–1868)
* [[Author:Rabanus Maurus|Maurus, Rabanus]] (780–856)
* [[Author:Dabney Herndon Maury|'''Maury, Dabney Herndon''']] (1882–1900)
* [[Author:Matthew Fontaine Maury|'''Maury, Matthew Fontaine''']] (1806–1873)
* [[Author:Richard Launcelot Maury|'''Maury, Richard Launcelot''']] (1840–1907)
* [[Author:Octave Maus|Maus, Octave]] (1856–1919)
* [[Author:Eduard Mautner|Mautner, Eduard]] (1824–1889)
* [[Author:Allen Mawer|Mawer, Allen]] (1879–1942)
* [[Author:Karl Max|Max, Karl]] (1860–1928)
* [[Author:Hiram Percy Maxim|Maxim, Hiram]] (1869–1936)
* [[Author:William Ralph Maxon|Maxon, William Ralph]] (1877–1948)
* [[Author:James Clerk Maxwell|Maxwell, James Clerk]] (1831–1879)
* [[Author:Herbert Eustace Maxwell|Maxwell, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Eustace]] (1845–1937)
* [[Author:Edward Ralph May|May, Edward Ralph]] (1819–1852?)
* [[Author:Florence May|May, Florence]] (1845–1923)
* [[Author:George Ernest May|May, George Ernest]] (1871–1946)
* [[Author:James Lewis May|May, James Lewis]] (1873–1961)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich May|May, Karl Friedrich]] (1842–1912)
* [[Author:Thomas Erskine May|May, Thomas Erskine]] (1815–1886)
* [[Author:Vladimir Mayakovsky|Mayakovsky, Vladimir]] (1893–1930)
* [[Author:Alfred Goldsborough Mayer|Mayer, Alfred Goldsborough]] (1868–1922)
* [[Author:Alfred Marshall Mayer|Mayer, Alfred Marshall]] (1836–1897)
* [[Author:Julius Robert von Mayer|von Mayer, Julius Robert]] (1814–1878)
* [[Author:Samuel Ralph Townshend Mayer|Mayer, Samuel Ralph Townshend]] (1841–1880)
* [[Author:Edward Mayes|Mayes, Edward]] (1846–1917)
* [[Author:Henry Mayhew|Mayhew, Henry]] (1812–1887)
* [[Author:Charles Johnson Maynard|Maynard, Charles Johnson]] (1845–1929)
* [[Author:Lucy Warner Maynard|Maynard, Lucy Warner]] (1852–1936)
* [[Author:Theodore Maynard|Maynard, Theodore]] (1890–1956)
* [[Author:Arthur Maynwaring|Maynwaring, Arthur]] (1668–1712)
* [[Author:Charles Herbert Mayo|Mayo, Charles Herbert]] (1845–1929)
* [[Author:Isabella Fyvie Mayo|Mayo, Isabella Fyvie]] (1843–1914)
* [[Author:Katherine Mayo|Mayo, Katherine]] (1868–1940)
* [[Author:Richmond Mayo-Smith|Mayo-Smith, Richmond]] (1854–1901)
* [[Author:Aloysius Mazewski|Mazewski, Aloysius]] (1916–1988)
* [[Author:Amvika Charan Mazumdar|Mazumdar, Amvika Charan]] (1851–1922)
* [[Author:A. Madhaviah|A. Madhaviah]] (1872–1925)

==Mb==
* [[Author:Thabo Mbeki|Mbeki, Thabo]] (1942–present)

==Mc==
* [[Author:Alexander McAdie|McAdie, Alexander]] (1863–1943)
* [[Author:William Gibbs McAdoo|McAdoo, William Gibbs]] (1863–1941)
* [[Author:Alexander McAulay|McAulay, Alexander]] (''fl.'' 1738)
* [[Author:Alexander McAulay (mathematician)|McAulay, Alexander]] (1863–1931)
* [[Author:Howard Lee McBain|McBain, Howard Lee]] (1880–1936)
* [[Author:Gerard McBurney|McBurney, Gerard]] (1954–present)
* [[Author:Joseph McCabe|McCabe, Joseph]] (1867–1955)
* [[Author:William Bernard McCabe|McCabe, William Bernard]] (1801–1891)
* [[Author:William Gordon McCabe|McCabe, William Gordon]] (1841–1920)
* [[Author:John McCain|McCain, John]] (1936–2018)
* [[Author:James Edward McCall|McCall, James Edward]] (1880–1963)
* [[Author:Carlton McCarthy|McCarthy, Carlton]] (1847–1936)
* [[Author:Eugene McCarthy|McCarthy, Eugene Joseph &quot;Gene&quot;]] (1916–2005)
* [[Author:Harry McCarthy|McCarthy, Harry]] (1834–1888)
* [[Author:James Joseph McCarthy|McCarthy, James Joseph]] (1817–1882)
* [[Author:Joseph McCarthy (1885-1943)|McCarthy, Joseph]] (1885–1943)
* [[Author:Justin McCarthy|McCarthy, Justin]] (1830–1912)
* [[Author:Alexander McCaul|McCaul, Alexander]] (1799–1863)
* [[Author:John McCaul|McCaul, John]] (1807–1886)
* [[Author:Claire McCaskill|McCaskill, Claire]] (1953–present)
* [[Author:Robert Murray M'Cheyne|M'Cheyne, Robert Murray]] (1813–1843)
* [[Author:George Brinton McClellan|McClellan, George B.]] (1826–1885)
* [[Author:Henry Brainerd McClellan|McClellan, Henry Brainerd]] (1840–1904)
* [[Author:John Ludlum McConnel|McConnel, John Ludlum]] (1826–1862)
* [[Author:Mitch McConnell|McConnell, Mitch]] (1942–present)
* [[Author:Primrose McConnell|McConnell, Primrose]] (1856–1931)
* [[Author:Richard George McConnell|McConnell, Richard George]] (1857–1942)
* [[Author:Peter Dodds McCormick|McCormick, Peter Dodds]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:Samuel Black McCormick|McCormick, Samuel Black]] (1858–1928)
* [[Author:Wilfred McCormick|McCormick, Wilfred]] (1903–1983)
* [[Author:William Symington M'Cormick|M'Cormick, William Symington]] (1857–1930)
* [[Author:Thomas Chalmers McCorvey|McCorvey, Thomas Chalmers]] (1851–1932)
* [[Author:James McCosh|McCosh, James]] (1811–1894)
* [[Author:John McCrae (1872-1918)|McCrae, John]] (1872–1918)
* [[Author:Robert Barlow McCrea|McCrea, Robert Barlow]] (1823–1897)
* [[Author:Johnston McCulley|McCulley, Johnston]] (1883–1958)
* [[Author:Hugh McCulloch|McCulloch, Hugh]] (1808–1895)
* [[Author:John Ramsay McCulloch|McCulloch, John Ramsay]] (1789–1864)
* [[Author:John B. McDonnell|McDonnell, John B.]] (b. 1885)
* [[Author:John McElroy|McElroy, John]] (1846–1929)
* [[Author:Samuel Douglas McEnery|McEnery, Samuel Douglas]] (1837–1910)
* [[Author:John McEwan|McEwan, John]] (1855–1924)
* [[Author:Stephen Lee McFarland|McFarland, Stephen Lee]] (1950—)
* [[Author:William Morley Punshon McFee|McFee, William Morley Punshon]] (1881–1966)
* [[Author:Arthur Cushman McGiffert|McGiffert, Arthur Cushman]] (1861–1933)
* [[Author:Evander Bradley McGilvary|McGilvary, Evander Bradley]] (1864–1953)
* [[Author:Robert Cooper McGinn|McGinn, Robert Cooper]] (1831–1905)
* [[Author:William Topaz McGonagall|McGonagall, William Topaz]] (1825–1902)
* [[Author:Reginald Charles McGrane|McGrane, Reginald Charles]] (1889–1967)
* [[Author:Richard Crittenden McGregor|McGregor, Richard Crittenden]] (1871–1936)
* [[Author:Dorothy McIlwraith|McIlwraith, Dorothy]] (1891–1976)
* [[Author:Maria Jane McIntosh|McIntosh, Maria Jane]] (1803–1878)
* [[Author:William Carmichael M'Intosh|McIntosh, William Carmichael]] (1838–1931)
* [[Author:George McIver|McIver, George]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:Claude McKay|McKay, Claude]] (1889/90–1948)
* [[Author:John Gray McKendrick|McKendrick, John Gray]] (1841–1926)
* [[Author:Joseph McKenna|McKenna, Joseph]] (1843–1926)
* [[Author:Ronald Brunlees McKerrow|McKerrow, Ronald Brunlees]] (1872–1940)
* [[Author:Albert Edward McKinley|McKinley, Albert Edward]] (1870–1936)
* [[Author:John McKinley|McKinley, John]] (1780–1852)
* [[Author:William McKinley|McKinley, William]] (1843–1901)
* [[Author:Robert McLachlan|McLachlan, Robert]] (1837–1904)
* [[Author:Sydney Temple Leopold McLaglen|McLaglen, Sydney Temple Leopold]] (1884–1951)
* [[Author:John McLaren|McLaren, John]] (1846–1943)
* [[Author:Archibald McLean|McLean, Archibald]] (1791–1865)
* [[Author:John McLean (1785-1861)|McLean, John]] (1785–1861)
* [[Author:Norman McLean|McLean, Norman]] (1865–1947)
* [[Author:John Ferguson McLennan|McLennan, John Ferguson]] (1827–1881)
* [[Author:John McMahan|McMahan, John]] (1800s)
* [[Author:Joseph Henry McMahon|McMahon, Joseph Henry]] (1862–1939)
* [[Author:John Bach McMaster|McMaster, John Bach]] (1852–1932)
* [[Author:Walter George McMillan|McMillan (or M'Millan), Walter George]] (1861–1904)
* [[Author:John Mercier McMullen|McMullen, John Mercier]] (1820–1907)
* [[Author:Charles Alexander McMurry|McMurry, Charles Alexander]] (1857–1929)
* [[Author:Frank Morton McMurry|McMurry, Frank Morton]] (1862–1936)
* [[Author:Richard Coxe McMurtrie|McMurtrie, Richard Coxe]] (1819–1894)
* [[Author:James Aldren McNaught|McNaught, James Aldren]] (1828–1915)
* [[Author:Herman Cyril McNeile|McNeile, Herman Cyril]] (1888–1937)
* [[Author:Ronald John McNeill|McNeill, Ronald John]] (1861–1934)
* [[Author:James Clark McReynolds|McReynolds, James Clark]] (1862–1946)
* [[Author:Joseph Walker McSpadden|McSpadden, Joseph Walker]] (1874–1960)
* [[Author:Terrell McSweeny|McSweeny, Terrell]]
* [[Author:John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart|McTaggart, John McTaggart Ellis]] (1866–1925)
* [[Author:Emilie Watts McVea|McVea, Emilie Watts]] (1867–1928)

=={{anchor|Me}}Me/Mé==
* [[Author:Margaret Mead|Mead, Margaret]] (1901–1978)
* [[Author:Elizabeth Thomasina Meade|Meade, Elizabeth Thomasina]] (1854–1914)
* [[Author:Kirk Meadowcroft|Meadowcroft, Kirk]] {c. 1928)
* [[Author:Thomas Francis Meagher|Meagher, Thomas Francis]] (1823–1867)
* [[Author:Budgett Meakin|Meakin, Budgett]] (1866–1906)
* [[Author:Kate Alberta Meakin|Meakin, Kate Alberta]] (1868–1956)
* [[Author:Edmond Stephen Meaney|Meaney, Edmond Stephen]] (1862–1935)
* [[Author:Joseph Calrow Means|Means, Joseph Calrow]] (1801–1879)
* [[Author:Philip Ainsworth Means|Means, Philip Ainsworth]] (1892–1944)
* [[Author:Lyon Mearson|Mearson, Lyon]] (1888–1966)
* [[Author:George Samuel Measom|Measom, George Samuel]] (1818–1901)
* [[Author:Malcolm Ronald Laing Meason|Meason, Malcolm Ronald Laing]] (1820–1889)
* [[Author:Rudolf Medek|Medek, Rudolf]] (1890–1940)
* [[Author:Walter Henry Medhurst (1796-1857)|Medhurst, Walter Henry]] (1796–1857)
* [[Author:Joseph Medill|Medill, Joseph]] (1823–1899)
* [[Author:José Toribio Medina|Medina, José Toribio]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:Arthur Mee|Mee, Arthur]] (1875–1943)
* [[Author:Fielding Bradford Meek|Meek, Fielding Bradford]] (1817–1876)
* [[Author:Gregory Meeks|Meeks, Gregory]] (1953–)
* [[Author:John Megaw|Megaw, John]] (1874–1958)
* [[Author:Ernst Heinrich Meier|Meier, Ernst Heinrich]] (1813–1866)
* [[Author:Arthur Meighen|Meighen, Arthur]] (1874–1960)
* [[Author:Arnold Hilary Meiklejohn|Meiklejohn, Arnold Hilary]] (1874-1932)
* [[Author:John Miller Dow Meiklejohn|Meiklejohn, John Miller Dow]] (1830–1902)
* [[Author:Charles De Sales Mehegan|Mehegan, Charles De Sales]] (1863–1947)
* [[Author:Meher Baba|Meher Baba]] (1894–1969)
* [[Author:Cornelia Meigs|Meigs, Cornelia]] (1884–1973)
* [[Author:Meir of Rothenburg|Meir of Rothenburg]] (c. 1215–1293)
* [[Author:August Gottlieb Meißner|Meißner, August Gottlieb]] (1753–1807)
* [[Author:Alfred Meissner|Meissner, Alfred]] (1822–1885)
* [[Author:Barnabas Meistermann|Meistermann, Barnabas]] (1850–1923)
* [[Author:Epifanio Mejía|Mejía, Epifanio]] (1838–1913)
* [[Author:Beatrice Machula Mekota|Mekota, Beatrice Machula]] (1881–1922)
* [[Author:Dora Mekouar|Mekouar, Dora]]
* [[Author:Samuel Max Melamed|Melamed, Samuel Max]] (1885–1938)
* [[Author:Philipp Melanchthon|Melanchthon, Philipp]] (1497–1560)
* [[Author:Raphael Meldola|Meldola, Raphael]] (1849–1915)
* [[Author:Tereza Mellanová|Mellanová, Tereza]] (1863–1950)
* [[Author:Grenville Mellen|Mellen, Grenville]] (1799–1841)
* [[Author:John Magens Mello|Mello, John Magens]] (1836–1903)
* [[Author:Macedonio Melloni|Melloni, Macedonio]] (1798– 1854)
* [[Author:Arthur Mellor|Mellor, Arthur]] (1851–?)
* [[Author:William Melmoth (1666-1743)|Melmoth, William]] (1665–1743)
* [[Author:William Melmoth (1710-1799)|Melmoth, William]] (1710–1799)
* [[Author:Guy Stanley Meloy|Meloy, Guy Stanley]] (1874–1965)
* [[Author:Henry Melvill|Melvill, Henry]] (1798–1871)
* [[Author:George Wallace Melville|Melville, George Wallace]] (1841–1912)
* [[Author:Herman Melville|'''Melville, Herman''']] (1819–1891)
* [[Author:Christopher Gustavus Memminger|Memminger, Christopher]] (1803–1888) 
* [[Author:Federico Luigi Menabrea|Federico Luigi Menabrea]] (1809–1896)
* [[Author:Menander|'''Menander''']] (c. 342/341 B.C.E.–c. 290 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:H. L. Mencken|Mencken, Henry Louis]] (1880–1956)
* [[Author:Felix Mendelssohn|Mendelssohn, Felix]] (1809–1847)
* [[Author:Moses Mendelssohn|Mendelssohn, Moses]] (1729–1786)
* [[Author:Henrique Lopes de Mendonça|Mendonça, Henrique Lopes de]] (1856–1931)
* [[Author:Robert Menendez|Menendez, Robert]] (1954–present)
* [[Author:Menelaus of Alexandria|Menelaus of Alexandria]] (c. 70–140)
* [[Author:V. P. Menon|Menon, V. P.]] (1893–1965)
* [[Author:Vallathol Narayana Menon|Menon, Vallathol Narayana]] (1878–1958)
* [[Author:Zoe Mentel|Mentel, Zoe]] (fl. 2012)
* [[Author:Alfred Menzies|Menzies, Alfred]] (?–1836)
* [[Author:Allan Menzies|Menzies, Allan]] (1845–1916)
* [[Author:Archibald Menzies|Menzies, Archibald]] (1761–1842)
* [[Author:James Sutherland Menzies|Menzies, James Sutherland]] (1806–1886)
* [[Author:Charles Fenton Mercer|Mercer, Charles Fenton]] (1778–1858)
* [[Author:Louis-Sébastien Mercier|Mercier, Louis-Sébastien]] (1740–1814)
* [[Author:George Meredith|Meredith, George]] (1828–1909)
* [[Author:James Creed Meredith|Meredith, James Creed]] (1875–1942)
* [[Author:Louisa Anne Meredith|Meredith, Louisa Anne]] (1812–1895)
* [[Author:Edward George Earle Lytton Bulwer|Meredith, Owen]] (1803–1873)
* [[Author:Robert Rhoden Meredith|Meredith, Robert Rhoden]] (1837–1919)
* [[Author:Newton Dennison Mereness|Mereness, Newton Dennison]] (?–?)
* [[Author:John Davies Mereweather|Mereweather, John Davies]] (1816–1896)
* [[Author:James Merikangas|Merikangas, James]] (1900s)
* [[Author:Prosper Mérimée|Mérimée, Prosper]] (1803–1870)
* [[Author:Herman Merivale|Merivale, Herman]] (1806–1874)
* [[Author:Herman Charles Merivale|Merivale, Herman Charles]] (1839–1906)
* [[Author:John Herman Merivale|Merivale, John Herman]] (1779–1844)
* [[Author:Angela Merkel|Merkel, Angela]] (1954–)
* [[Author:Florence Augusta Merriam Bailey|Merriam, Florence A.]] (1863–1948)
* [[Author:George Spring Merriam|Merriam, George Spring]] (1843–1914)
* [[Author:James Merrick|Merrick, James]] (1720–1769)
* [[Author:James Lyman Merrick|Merrick, James Lyman]] (1803–1866)
* [[Author:Mary Philadelphia Merrifield|Merrifield, Mary Philadelphia]] (1804–1889)
* [[Author:Frederick James Hamilton Merrill|Merrill, Frederick James Hamilton]] (1861–1916)
* [[Author:Ernest Northcroft Merrington|Merrington, Ernest Northcroft]] (1876–1953)
* [[Author:Abraham Merritt|Merritt, Abraham]] (1884–1943)
* [[Author:William Walter Merry|Merry, William Walter]] (1835–1918)
* [[Author:Marin Mersenne|Mersenne, Marin]] (1588–1648)
* [[Author:John Mersereau|Mersereau, John]] (1898–1989)
* [[Author:Francis Mershman|Mershman, Francis]] (1852–1916)
* [[Author:William Butts Mershon|Mershon, William Butts]] (18??–19??)
* [[Author:Thomas Ralph Merton|Merton, Thomas Ralph]] (1888–1969)
* [[Author:John Theodore Merz|Merz, John Theodore]] (1840–1922)
* [[Author:Stanislas Étienne Meunier|Meunier, Stanislas Étienne]] (1843–1925)
* [[Author:Martin Meurisse|Meurisse, Martin]] (1584–1644)
* [[Author:Charlotte Mew|Mew, Charlotte]] (1869–1928)
* [[Author:James Mew|Mew, James]] (1837–1913)
* [[Author:Alexander Feliksovich Meyendorff|Meyendorff, Alexander Feliksovich]] (1869–1964)
* [[Author:Albert Ronald da Silva Meyer|Meyer, Albert Ronald da Silva]] (1941– )
* [[Author:August Ferdinand Meyer|Meyer, August Ferdinand]] (1811–1894)
* [[Author:Christian Erich Hermann von Meyer|von Meyer, Christian Erich Hermann]] (1801–1869)
* [[Author:Eduard Meyer|Meyer, Eduard]] (1855–1930)
* [[Author:Georg Hermann von Meyer|Meyer, Georg Hermann von]] (1815–1892)
* [[Author:Johann Friedrich von Meyer|Meyer, Johann Friedrich von]] (1772–1849)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Meyer-Lübke|Meyer-Lübke, Wilhelm]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:Ludwig Meyn|Meyn, Ludwig]] (1820–1878)
* [[Author:Alice Meynell|Meynell, Alice Christiana Gertrude Thompson]] (1847–1922)
* [[Author:Alfred Jean François Mézières|Mézières, Alfred Jean François]] (1826–1915)
* [[Author:Paul Meznarich|Meznarich, Paul]] (20. century-)

==Mi==
* [[Author:Bernard Miall|Maill, Bernard]] (1876–1953)
* [[Author:Mibu no Tadami|Mibu no Tadami]] (10th cent.)
* [[Author:Mibu no Tadamine|Mibu no Tadamine]] (c. 860–c. 920)
* [[Author:Michael de Causis|Michael de Causis]] (c. 1380 – c. 1432)
* [[Author:Michal z Prachatic|Michal z Prachatic]] (fl. 1406)
* [[Author:Wenceslaus Cyrill Michalicka|Michalicka, Wenceslaus Cyrill]] (1894–1982)
* [[Author:André Michaux|Michaux, André]] (1746–1802)
* [[Author:Oscar Devereaux Micheaux|Micheaux, Oscar Devereaux]] (1884–1951)
* [[Author:Edward Henry Michelsen|Michelsen, Edward Henry]] (1795–1870)
* [[Author:Albert Abraham Michelson|Michelson, Albert Abraham]] (1852–1931)
* [[Author:Alexander Michie|Michie, Alexander]] (1833–1902)
* [[Author:Adam Mickiewicz|Mickiewicz, Adam]] (1798–1855)
* [[Author:William Julius Mickle|Mickle, William Julius]] (1735–1788)
* [[Author:S. G. C. Middlemore|Middlemore, Samuel]] (1848–1890)
* [[Author:George Middleton|Middleton, George]] (1880–1967)
* [[Author:Jesse Edgar Middleton|Middleton, Jesse Edgar]] (1872–1934)
* [[Author:Rofū Miki|Miki, Rofū]] (1889–1964)
* [[Author:Matěj Mikšíček|Mikšíček, Matěj]] (1815–1892)
* [[Author:Mikuláš Matějův z Brna|Mikuláš Matějův z Brna]] (14th–15th century)
* [[Author:Lydia Miller Middleton|Middleton, Lady Lydia Falconer Fraser Miller]] (1866–1934)
* [[Author:Richard Barham Middleton|Middleton, Richard Barham]] (1882–1911)
* [[Author:Thomas Middleton|Middleton, Thomas]] (1580–1627)
* [[Author:Charles Francis Bonaventure Miel|Miel, Charles Francis Bonaventure]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Henry Alexander Miers|Miers, Henry Alexander]] (1858–1942)
* [[Author:Chedomille Mijatovich|Mijatovich, Chedomille]] (1842–1932); also spelled Čedomilj Mijatović (or Mijatovitch, Miyatovich or Miyatovitch)
* [[Author:Barbara Mikulski|Mikulski, Barbara]] (1936–present)
* [[Author:Charles Arundell St. John Mildmay|Mildmay, Charles Arundell St. John]] (1820–1904)
* [[Author:Alexander Miles|Miles, Alexander]] (1900s)
* [[Author:Charles Austin Miles|Miles, Charles Austin]] (1868–1946)
* [[Author:Manly Miles|Miles, Manly]] (1826–1898)
* [[Author:Nelson Appleton Miles|Miles, Nelson Appleton]] (1839–1925)
* [[Author:Sibella Elizabeth Miles|Miles, Sibella Elizabeth]] (1800–1882)
* [[Author:Harvey Milk|Milk, Harvey]] (1930–1978)
* [[Author:Hugh Robert Mill|Mill, Hugh Robert]] (1861–1950)
* [[Author:James Mill|Mill, James]] (1773–1836)
* [[Author:John Stuart Mill|'''Mill, John Stuart''']] (1806–1873)
* [[Author:John Everett Millais|Millais, John Everett]] (1829–1896)
* [[Author:Alexander Hastie Millar|Millar, Alexander Hastie]] (1847–1927)
* [[Author:John Millard|Millard, John]] (fl. 19th century)
* [[Author:Edna St. Vincent Millay|'''Millay, Edna St. Vincent''']] (1892–1950)
* [[Author:Alban Bertram de Mille|de Mille, Alban Bertram]] (1873–1942)
* [[Author:Alice Miller|Miller, Alice]] (1923–2010)
* [[Author:David J. Miller|Miller, David J.]] (c. 1831–1886 or later)
* [[Author:Dayton Miller|Miller, Dayton Clarence]] (1866–1941)
* [[Author:Harriet Mann Miller|Miller, Harriet Mann]] (1831–1918)
* [[Author:Harry S. Miller|Miller, Harry S.]] (1800s–1900s)
* [[Author:Joaquin Miller|Miller, Joaquin]] (1837 or 1841–1913)
* [[Author:Peter Schuyler Miller|Miller, Peter Schuyler]] (1912–1974)
* [[Author:Philip Miller|Miller, Philip]] (1691–1771)
* [[Author:Samuel Freeman Miller|Miller, Samuel Freeman]] (1816–1890)
* [[Author:Thomas Miller (poet)|Miller, Thomas]] (1807–1874)
* [[Author:Thomas Miller (captain)|Miller, Thomas]] (fl. 1857)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Tyler Miller|Miller, Wilhelm Tyler]] (1869–1938)
* [[Author:William Miller|Miller, William]] (1782–1849)
* [[Author:William Charles Miller|Miller, William Charles]] (1826–?)
* [[Author:George Milligan|Milligan, George]] (1860–1934)
* [[Author:William Milligan|Milligan, William]] (1821–1893)
* [[Author:Aubin-Louis Millin|Millin de Grandmaison, Aubin-Louis]] (1759–1818)
* [[Author:Alexander van Millingen|Millingen, Alexander van]] (1840–1915)
* [[Author:Lady Dorothy Mills|Mills, Lady Dorothy]] (1889–1959)
* [[Author:Roger Q. Mills|Mills, Roger Quarles]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Roswell George Mills|Roswell George Mills]] (1896–1966)
* [[Author:Henry Hart Milman|Milman, Henry Hart]] (1791–1868)
* [[Author:Georgine Milmine|Milmine (Welles Adams), Georgine]] (1874–1950)
* [[Author:A. A. Milne|Milne, Alan Alexander]] (1882–1956)
* [[Author:John Milne|Milne, John]] (1850–1913)
* [[Author:Alfred Milner|Milner, Alfred]] (1854–1925)
* [[Author:John Milner (1822-1897)|Milner, John]] (1822–1897)
* [[Author:R. D. Milner|Milner, R. D.]] (1869–1936)
* [[Author:George Gery Milner-Gibson-Cullum|Milner-Gibson-Cullum, George Gery]] (1857–1921)
* [[Author:Momčilo Milošević|Milošević, Momčilo]] (1885–1979)
* [[Author:Karl Borromäus von Miltitz|Miltitz, Karl Borromäus von]] (1781–1845)
* [[Author:James Tayler Milton|Milton, James Tayler]] (1850–1933)
* [[Author:John Milton|'''Milton, John''']] (1608–1674)
* [[Author:Edwin Mims|Mims, Edwin]] (1872–1959)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Hitoshi|Minamoto no Hitoshi]] (880–950)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Kanemasa|Minamoto no Kanemasa]] (11th cent.–12th cent.)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Muneyuki|Minamoto no Muneyuki]] (?–940)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Sanetomo|Minamoto no Sanetomo]] (1192–1219)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Shigeyuki|Minamoto no Shigeyuki]] (?–1000)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Shunrai|Minamoto no Shunrai]] (1055–1129)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Tōru|Minamoto no Tōru]] (822–895)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Tsunenobu|Minamoto no Tsunenobu]] (1016–1097)
* [[Author:Edward Alfred Minchin|Minchin, Edward Alfred]] (1866–1915)
* [[Author:Charles Miner|Miner, Charles]] (1780–1865)
* [[Author:Horace Mitchell Miner|Miner, Horace Mitchell]] (1912–1993)
* [[Author:Hermann Minkowski|Minkowski, Hermann]] (1864–1909)
* [[Author:Charles Minnigerode|Minnigerode, Charles]] (1814–1894)
* [[Author:Ellis Hovell Minns|Minns, Ellis Hovell]] (1874–1953)
* [[Author:Robert Dabney Minor|Minor, Robert Dabney]] (1827–1871)
* [[Author:Charles Sedgwick Minot|Minot, Charles Sedgwick]] (1852–1914)
* [[Author:William Minto|Minto, William]] (1845–1893)
* [[Author:Sherman Minton|Minton, Sherman]] (1890–1965)
* [[Author:William Carmichael M'Intosh|M'Intosh, William Carmichael]] (1838–1931)
* [[Author:Octave Mirbeau|Mirbeau, Octave]] (1848–1917)
* [[Author:Charles-François Brisseau de Mirbel|de Mirbel, Charles-François Brisseau]] (1776–1854)
* [[Author:Hope Mirrlees|Mirrlees, Hope]] (1887–1978)
* [[Author:Carl Theodor Mirbt|Mirbt, Carl Theodor]] (1860–1929)
* [[Author:Krste Misirkov|Misirkov, Krste]] (1874–1926)
* [[Author:Jack Chapman Miske|Miske, Jack Chapman]] (1920–2003)
* [[Author:John Mitchel|Mitchel, John]] (1815–1875)
* [[Author:Donald Grant Mitchell|Mitchell, Donald Grant]] (1822–1908)
* [[Author:Dugald Mitchell|Mitchell, Dugald]] (?–1915)
* [[Author:Edward Page Mitchell|Mitchell, Edward Page]] (1852–1927)
* [[Author:Edward Phillips Mitchell|Mitchell, Edward Phillips]] (1812–1880)
* [[Author:Frederick Shaw Mitchell|Mitchell, Frederick Shaw]] (1852–1929)
* [[Author:Hugh Mitchell|Mitchell, Hugh]] (1849–1937)
* [[Author:John Kirkwood Mitchell|Mitchell, John Kirkwood]] (1811–1889)
* [[Author:John Malcolm Mitchell|Mitchell, John Malcolm]] (1879–1940)
* [[Author:Margaret Mitchell|Mitchell, Margaret]] (1900–1949)
* [[Author:Peter Chalmers Mitchell|Mitchell, Peter Chalmers]] (1864–1945)
* [[Author:Silas Weir Mitchell|Mitchell, Silas Weir]] (1829–1914)
* [[Author:Susan Langstaff Mitchell|Mitchell, Susan]] (1866–1926)
* [[Author:Thomas Mitchell|Mitchell, Thomas Livingston]] (1792–1855)
* [[Author:Walter Mitchell|Mitchell, Walter]] (1826–1908)
* [[Author:William M. Mitchell|Mitchell, William M.]] (?–?)
* [[Author:William Mitford|Mitford, William]] (1744–1827)
* [[Author:Rajendralal Mitra|Mitra, Rajendralal]] (1824–1891)
* [[Author:Geraldine Edith Mitton|Mitton, Geraldine Edith]] (1868–1955)
* [[Author:St. George Jackson Mivart|Mivart, St. George Jackson]] (1827–1900)
* [[Author:Asataro Miyamori|Miyamori, Asataro]] (1869–1952)

==Mo==
* [[Author:George Herbert Moberly|Moberly, George Herbert]] (1837–1895)
* [[Author:Lucy Gertrude Moberly|Moberly, Lucy Gertrude]] (1861–1931)
* [[Author:David A. Modell|Modell, David A.]] (1878–)
* [[Author:Narendra Modi|Narendra Modi]] (b. 1950)
* [[Author:James Moffatt|Moffatt, James]] (1870–1944)
* [[Author:William Adger Moffett|Moffett, William Adger]] (1869–1933)
* [[Author:Eben Moglen|Moglen, Eben]] (1958–present)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich Mohr|Mohr, Karl Friedrich]] (1806–1879)
* [[Author:Yvonne Mokgoro|Mokgoro, Yvonne]] (1950–2024)
* [[Author:Lillian Mokrejs|Mokrejs, Lillian]] (1877–1970)
* [[Author:Jakub Moleš|Moleš, Jakub]] (14th – 15th century)
* [[Author:Guilford Lindsey Molesworth|Molesworth, Guilford Lindsey]] (1828–1925)
* [[Author:Molière|'''Molière''']] (1622–1673)
* [[Author:Paul Georg von Möllendorff|Möllendorff, Paul Georg von]] (1847–1901)
* [[Author:Gaspard Théodore Mollien|Mollien, Gaspard Théodore]] (1796–1872)
* [[Author:James Lynam Molloy|Molloy, James Lynam]] (1837–1909)
* [[Author:John Molloy|Molloy, John]] (c. 1789–1867)
* [[Author:Enrico Molnár|Molnár, Enrico]] (1913–1999)
* [[Author:Vyacheslav Molotov|Molotov, Vyacheslav]] (1890–1986)
* [[Author:Theodor Mommsen|Mommsen, Theodor]] (1817–1903)
* [[Author:James Vincent Monaco|Monaco, James Vincent]] (1885–1945)
* [[Author:Dave Monahan|Monahan, Dave]] (1918–2003)
* [[Author:Henri-Louis Duhamel du Monceau|Monceau, Henri-Louis Duhamel du]] (1700–1782)
* [[Author:Mary Frances Christina Münster|Monck, Mary Frances Christina]] (1829–1892)
* [[Author:Mr. Monck Berkeley|Monck Berkeley, Mr.]] (1763–1793)
* [[Author:Henry James Moncreiff|Moncreiff, Sir Henry James, 2nd Baron Moncreiff]] (1840–1909)
* [[Author:Montagu Sneade Faithfull Monier-Williams|Monier-Williams, Montagu Sneade Faithfull]] (1860–1931)
* [[Author:Moniot d'Arras|Moniot d'Arras]] (1213–1239)
* [[Author:Edwin George Monk|Monk, Edwin George]] (1820–1900)
* [[Author:Maria Monk|Monk, Maria]] (1816–1849)
* [[Author:William Henry Monk|Monk, William Henry]] (1823–1889)
* [[Author:William Cosmo Monkhouse|Monkhouse, William Cosmo]] (1840–1901)
* [[Author:Horace Woollaston Monckton|Monckton, Horace Woollaston]] (1857–1931)
* [[Author:Harriet Monroe|Monroe, Harriet]] (1860–1936)
* [[Author:James Monroe|'''Monroe, James''']] (1758–1831)
* [[Author:Paul Monroe|Monroe, Paul]] (1869–1947)
* [[Author:Basil Montagu|Montagu, Basil]] (1770–1851)
* [[Author:Charles Montagu|Montagu, Charles]] (1661–1715)
* [[Author:Samuel Montagu|Montagu, Samuel, 1st Baron Swaythling]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Montague|Montague, Charles Edward]] (1867–1928)
* [[Author:Francis Charles Montague|Montague, Francis Charles]] (1858–1935)
* [[Author:Michel de Montaigne|Montaigne, Michel Eyquem de]] (1533–1592)
* [[Author:Guidobaldo del Monte|del Monte, Guidobaldo]] (1545–1607)
* [[Author:Claude Joseph Goldsmid Montefiore|Montefiore, Claude Joseph Goldsmid-]] (1858–1938)
* [[Author:Judith Cohen Montefiore|Montefiore, Judith Cohen]] (1784–1862)
* [[Author:Moses Haim Montefiore|Montefiore, Moses Haim]] (1784–1885)
* [[Author:Montesquieu|'''Montesquieu, Charles, baron of''']] (1689–1755)
* [[Author:Maria Montessori|Montessori, Maria]] (1870–1952)
* [[Author:Claudio Monteverdi|'''Monteverdi, Claudio''']] (1567–1643)
* [[Author:B. S. Montgomery|Montgomery, B. S.]] (''fl''. 1860s–1870s)
* [[Author:David H. Montgomery|Montgomery, David H.]] (1837–1928)
* [[Author:Edmund Montgomery|Montgomery, Edmund]] (1835–1911)
* [[Author:James Montgomery|Montgomery, James]] (1771–1854)
* [[Author:James Alan Montgomery|Montgomery, James Alan]] (1866–1949)
* [[Author:Lucy Maud Montgomery|'''Montgomery, Lucy Maud''']] (1874–1942)
* [[Author:Mary Millicent Montgomery|Montgomery, Mary Millicent]] (1787–1868)
* [[Author:Robert Montgomery (1680–1731)|Montgomery, Robert]] (1680–1731)
* [[Author:Robert Montgomery (1807-1855)|Montgomery, Robert]] (1807–1855)
* [[Author:Thomas Harrison Montgomery (1830-1905)|Montgomery, Thomas Harrison]] (1830–1905)
* [[Author:Thomas Harrison Montgomery, Jr.|Montgomery, Thomas Harrison, Jr.]] (1873–1912)
* [[Author:William Montgomery|Montgomery, William]] (1871–1930)
* [[Author:James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose|Montrose, James Graham, 1st Marquess of]] (''fl.'' 17th century)
* [[Author:Jean-Étienne Montucla|Montucla, Jean-Étienne]] (1725–1799)
* [[Author:Susanna Moodie|Moodie, Susanna]] (1803–1885)
* [[Author:William Henry Moody|Moody, William H.]] (1853–1917)
* [[Author:George Washington Moon|Moon, George Washington]] (1823–1909)
* [[Author:Grace Moon|Moon, Grace]] (1877–1947)
* [[Author:Moon Jae-in|Moon, Jae-in]] (b. 1953)
* [[Author:James Mooney|Mooney, James]] (1861–1921)
* [[Author:Arthur William Moore|Moore, Arthur William]] (1853–1909)
* [[Author:Charles Herbert Moore|Moore, Charles Herbert]] (1840–1930)
* [[Author:Clement Clarke Moore|'''Moore, Clement''']] (1779–1863)
* [[Author:Clifford Herschel Moore|Moore, Clifford Herschel]] (1866–1931)
* [[Author:Frank Moore|Moore, Frank]] (1828–1904)
* [[Author:George Edward Moore|Moore, George Edward]] (1873–1958)
* [[Author:George Fletcher Moore|Moore, George Fletcher]] (1798–1896)
* [[Author:George Foot Moore|Moore, George Foot]] (1851–1931)
* [[Author:Henry Charles Moore|Moore, Henry Charles]] (1862–1933)
* [[Author:John Percy Moore|Moore, John Percy]] (1869–1965)
* [[Author:John Weeks Moore|Moore, John Weeks]] (1807–1886)
* [[Author:Marianne Moore|Moore, Marianne]] (1887–1972)
* [[Author:Olin Harris Moore|Moore, Olin Harris]] (1885–1968)
* [[Author:Norman Moore|Moore, Sir Norman]] (1847–1922)
* [[Author:Samuel Moore|Moore, Samuel]] (''fl.'' 1870s and 1880s)
* [[Author:Samuel Preston Moore|Moore, Samuel Preston]] (1813–1889)
* [[Author:Thomas Moore (1779-1852)|Moore, Thomas]] (1779–1852)
* [[Author:Thomas Moore (1821-1887)|Moore, Thomas]] (1821–1887)
* [[Author:Warren King Moorehead|Moorehead, Warren King]] (1866–1939)
* [[Author:Alberto J. Mora|Mora, Alberto J.]] (1951—)
* [[Author:Francis Luis Mora|Mora, Francis Luis]] (1874–1940)
* [[Author:Jorge Morales-Montor|Morales-Montor, Jorge]]
* [[Author:Roberta Morano|Morano, Roberta]] (fl. 2022)
* [[Author:Charles Mordaunt|Mordaunt, Charles]] (1658–1735)
* [[Author:Thomas Osbert Mordaunt|Mordaunt, Thomas Osbert]] (1730–1809)
* [[Author:Alexander Goodman More|More, Alexander Goodman]] (1830–1895)
* [[Author:Brookes More|More, Brooks]] (1859-1942)
* [[Author:Paul Elmer More|More, Paul Elmer]] (1864–1937)
* [[Author:Thomas More|'''More, Sir Thomas''']] (1477–1535)
* [[Author:Edmund Dene Morel|Morel, Edmund Dene]] (1873–1924)
* [[Author:Alfred Morel-Fatio|Morel-Fatio, Alfred]] (1850–1924)
* [[Author:Michael Morell|Morell, Michael]] (1958–present)
* [[Author:William Moreton|Moreton, William]] (1641–1715)
* [[Author:William Richard Morfill|Morfill, William Richard]] (1834–1909)
* [[Author:Augustus de Morgan|de Morgan, Augustus]] (1806–1871)
* [[Author:Algernon Herbert Vaughan Morgan|Morgan, Algernon Herbert Vaughan]] (1832–1862)
* [[Author:Bayard Quincy Morgan|Morgan, Bayard Quincy]] (1883–1967)
* [[Author:Forrest Morgan|Morgan, Forrest]] (1852–1924)
* [[Author:Grace Jones Morgan|Morgan, Grace Jones]] (1885–1977)
* [[Author:Jacque Morgan|Morgan, Jacque]]
* [[Author:John Morgan (Physician)|Morgan, John]] (1735–1789)
* [[Author:John Morgan (Soldier)|Morgan, John]] (1792–1866)
* [[Author:Clarence Henry Morrell|Morrell, Clarence Henry]] (1872–1902)
* [[Author:James Morris Morgan|Morgan, James Morris]] (1845–1928)
* [[Author:John Tyler Morgan|Morgan, John Tyler]] (1824–1907 )
* [[Author:Morris Hicky Morgan|Morgan, Morris Hicky]] (1859–1910)
* [[Author:Thomas Hunt Morgan|Morgan, Thomas Hunt]] (1866–1945)
* [[Author:Winfield Scott Morgan|Morgan, Winfield Scott]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Iolo Morganwg|Morganwg, Iolo]] (1747–1826)
* [[Author:Gerald Patrick Moriarty|Moriarty, Gerald Patrick]] (1863–1924)
* [[Author:James Justinian Morier|Morier, James Justinian]] (1780–1849)
* [[Author:Eduard Friedrich Mörike|Mörike, Eduard Friedrich]] (1804–1875)
* [[Author:Jean Morin|Morin, Jean]] (1591–1659)
* [[Author:James Augustus Cotter Morison|Morison, James Augustus Cotter]] (1832–1888)
* [[Author:Robert Morison|Morison, Robert]] (1620–1683)
* [[Author:Karl Philipp Moritz|Moritz, Karl]] (1757–1793)
* [[Author:Edith Julia Morley|Morley, Edith Julia]] (1875–1964)
* [[Author:Ebenezer Cobb Morley|Morely, Ebenezer Cobb]] (1831–1924)
* [[Author:Edward Morley|Morley, Edward Williams]] (1838–1923)
* [[Author:Henry Forster Morley|Morley, Henry Forster]] (1855–1943)
* [[Author:Henry Morley (1822-1894)|Morley, Henry]] (1822–1894)
* [[Author:John Morley|Morley, John]] (1838–1923)
* [[Author:Sylvanus Griswold Morley|Morley, Sylvanus Griswold]] (1883–1948)
* [[Author:Thomas Morong|Morong, Thomas]] (1827–1894)
* [[Author:Paul Morphy|Morphy, Paul]] (1837–1884)
* [[Author:Arthur Phillip Morres|Morres, Arthur Phillip]] (1835–1900)
* [[Author:Charles Morris|Morris, Charles]] (1833–1922)
* [[Author:Edward Joy Morris|Morris, Edward Joy]] (1815–1881)
* [[Author:Francis Orpen Morris|Morris, Francis Orpen]] (1810–1893)
* [[Author:George Pope Morris|Morris, George Pope]] (1802–1864)
* [[Author:Gouverneur Morris|Morris, Gouverneur]] (1752–1816)
* [[Author:Lewis Morris (1700-1765)|Morris, Lewis]] (1700—1765)
* [[Author:May Morris|Morris, May]] (1862–1938)
* [[Author:Ray Morris|Morris, Ray]] (1878–1951)
* [[Author:William Morris|Morris, William]] (1834–1896)
* [[Author:William O'Connor Morris|Morris, William O'Connor]] (1824–1904)
* [[Author:John Morris-Jones|Morris-Jones, John]] (1864–1929)
* [[Author:Alexander James William Morrison|Morrison, Alexander James William (translator)]] (1806–1865)
* [[Author:Charles H. Morrison|Morrison, Charles H.]] (c. 1820–1876)
* [[Author:Anson Daniel Morse|Morse, Anson D.]] (1846–1916)
* [[Author:Edward Sylvester Morse|Morse, Edward Sylvester]] (1838–1925)
* [[Author:Thomas Daniel Cox Morse|Morse, Thomas Daniel Cox]] (c. 1825–1895)
* [[Author:Edmund Doidge Anderson Morshead|Morshead, E. D. A.]] (c. 1849–1912)
* [[Author:Eirene Mort|Mort, Eirene]] (1879–1977)
* [[Author:Agnes Hannah Morton|Morton, Agnes Hannah]] (1848–1918)
* [[Author:Francis Morton|Morton, Francis]] (''fl''. 1860s)
* [[Author:John Maddison Morton|Morton, John Maddison]] (1811–1891)
* [[Author:Richard Morton|Morton, Richard]] (d. 1921)
* [[Author:William Blair Morton|Morton, William Blair]] (1868–1949)
* [[Author:Gaetano Mosca|Mosca, Gaetano]] (1858–1941)
* [[Author:Manuel Moschopoulos|Moschopoulos, Manuel]] (''fl.'' end 13th–beginning 14th century)
* '''[[Author:Moses|Moses]]'''
* [[Author:Alfred Joseph Moses|Moses, Alfred J.]](1859–1920)
* [[Author:Montrose Jonas Moses|Moses, Montrose Jonas]] (1878–1934)
* [[Author:Raphael Jacob Moses|Moses, Raphael Jacob]] (1812–1893)
* [[Author:Yehuda ben Moshe ha-Kohen|ben Moshe ha-Kohen, Yehuda]] (''fl.'' 13th century)
* [[Author:Oswald Mosley|Mosley, Oswald]] (1896–1980)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Moss|Moss, Charles Edward]] (1870–1930)
* [[Author:Giles Moss|Moss, Giles]] (1978–present)
* [[Author:Lemuel Moss|Moss, Lemuel]] (1829—1904)
* [[Author:Ottaviano-Fabrizio Mossotti|Mossotti, Ottaviano-Fabrizio]] (1791–1863)
* [[Author:Libuše Moták|Moták, Libuše]] (1878–1960)
* [[Author:Aziz Motazedi|Motazedi, Aziz]] (1950–present)
* [[Author:William Motherwell|Motherwell, William]] (1897–1934)
* [[Author:Leonard Augustine George Bernard Motler|Motler, Leonard Augustine George Bernard]] (1888–1967)
* [[Author:John Lothrop Motley|Motley, John Lothrop]] (1814–1877)
* [[Author:Motoyoshi|Motoyoshi]] (890–943)
* [[Author:Frederick Walker Mott|Mott, Frederick Walker]] (1853–1926)
* [[Author:Lucretia Coffin Mott|Mott, Lucretia Coffin]] (1793–1880)
* [[Author:Andrew Motte|Motte, Andrew]] (1696–1734)
* [[Author:Benjamin Motte|Motte, Benjamin]] (1693–1738)
* [[Author:Peter Antony Motteux|Motteux, Peter Anthony]] (1663–1718)
* [[Author:James Cecil Mottram|Mottram, James Cecil]] (1880–1945)
* [[Author:Jacob Wrey Mould|Mould, Jacob Wrey]] (1825–1886)
* [[Author:Horatio Mosley Moule|Moule, Horatio Mosley (Horace)]] (1832–1873) 
* [[Author:Louise Chandler Moulton|Moulton, Louise Chandler]] (1835–1910)
* [[Author:William Mountford|Mountford, William]] (1816—1885)
* [[Author:Jane Mourek|Jane Mourek]] (1846–?)
* [[Author:Václav Emanuel Mourek|Mourek, Václav Emanuel]] (1846–1911)
* [[Author:Anna Cora Mowatt|Mowatt, Anna Cora]] (1819–1870)
* [[Author:Charles Wilfred Mowbray|Mowbray, Charles Wilfred]] (1857–1910)
* [[Author:John Robert Mowbray|Mowbray, John Robert]] (1815–1899)
* [[Author:James Moyes|Moyes, James]] (1851–1921)
* [[Author:Edward Gerald James Moyna|Moyna, Edward Gerald James]] (1881–1915)
* [[Author:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus]] (1756–1791)
* [[Author:James Bowling Mozley|Mozley, James Bowling]] (1813–1878)
* [[Author:John Rickards Mozley|Mozley, John Rickards]] (1840–1931)

==Mr==
* [[Author:Vilém Mrštík|Mrštík, Vilém]] (1863–1912)

=={{anchor|Mu}}Mu/Mü==
* [[Author:Muawiyah I|Muawiyah I, Caliph]] (602–680)
* [[Author:Alfons Marie Mucha|'''Mucha, Alfons Marie''']] (1860–1939)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich Müchler|Müchler, Karl Friedrich]] (1763–1857)
* [[Author:Samuel Alexander Mudd|Mudd, Samuel Alexander]] (1833–1883)
* [[Author:George Percival Mudge|Mudge, George Percival]] (1870–1939)
* [[Author:Mary Mudie|Mudie, Mary]] (1848–1937)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Jacob Heinrich von Mueller|Mueller, Ferdinand Jacob Heinrich von]] (1825–1896)
* [[Author:Mary Theodosia Mug|Mug, Mary Theodosia]] (1860–1943)
* [[Author:Theodore Mügge|Mügge, Theodore]] (1806–1861)
* [[Author:Muhammad|Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh]] (c. 570–632)
* [[Author:William Augustus Muhlenberg|Muhlenberg, William Augustus]] (1796–1877)
* [[Author:Alexander Muir|Muir, Alexander]] (1830–1906)
* [[Author:Edwin Muir|Muir, Edwin]] (1887–1959)
* [[Author:John Muir|Muir, John]] (1838–1914)
* [[Author:Matthew Moncrieff Pattison Muir|Muir, M. M. Pattison]] (1848–1931)
* [[Author:Richard Muir|Muir, Richard]] (1862–1931)
* [[Author:Robert Muir|Muir, Robert]] (1864–1959)
* [[Author:Thomas Muir|Muir, Thomas]] (1844–1934)
* [[Author:James Muirhead (1831-1889)|Muirhead, James]] (1831–1889)
* [[Author:James Fullarton Muirhead|Muirhead, James Fullarton]] (1853–1934)
* [[Author:Lewis Andrew Muirhead|Muirhead, Lewis Andrew]] (1856–1926)
* [[Author:John Henry Muirhead|Muirhead, John Henry]] (1855–1940)
* [[Author:Dhan Gopal Mukerji|Mukerji, Dhan Gopal]] (1890–1936)
* [[Author:Josef Müldner|Müldner, Josef]] (1880–1954)
* [[Author:Rosa Mulholland|Mulholland, Rosa]] (1841–1921)
* [[Author:William Clinton Mullendore|Mullendore, William Clinton]] (1892–1983)
* [[Author:Gerrit Muller|Muller, Gerrit]] (1891–1938)
* [[Author:August Müller|Müller, August]] (1848–1892)
* [[Author:David Heinrich Müller|Müller, David Heinrich]] (1846–1912)
* [[Author:Friederich Christoph Müller|Müller, Friederich Christoph]] (1751–1808)
* [[Author:Friedrich Max Müller|Müller, Friedrich Max]] (1823–1900)
* [[Author:Johann Karl August Müller|Müller, Johann Karl August]] (1818–1899)
* [[Author:Karl Otfried Müller|Müller, Karl Otfried]] (1797–1840)
* [[Author:Michael Müller|Müller, Michael]] (1825–1899)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Müller|Müller, Wilhelm]] (1794–1827) 
* [[Author:Wilhelm Max Müller|Müller, Wilhelm Max]] (1862–1919)
* [[Author:Hans Müller-Casenov|Müller-Casenov, Hans]] (1860–1947)
* [[Author:James Bass Mullinger|Mullinger, James Bass]] (1834–1917)
* [[Author:Multatuli|Multatuli]] (1820–1887)
* [[Author:Lewis Mumford|Mumford, Lewis]] (1895–1990)
* [[Author:Thomas James Mumford|Mumford, Thomas James]] (1826–1877)
* [[Author:Arthur Joseph Munby|Munby, Arthur Joseph]] (1828–1910)
* [[Author:George Frederick Woodhouse Munby|Munby, George Frederick Woodhouse]] (1833–1911)
* [[Author:Giles Munby|Munby, Giles]] (1812–1876)
* [[Author:Hieronymus Carl Friedrich von Münchhausen|von Münchhausen, Hieronymus Carl Friedrich]] (1720–1797)
* [[Author:Anthony Munday|Munday, Anthony]] (1560–1633)
* [[Author:Joseph M. Mundil|Mundil, Joseph M.]] (1856–1945)
* [[Author:George Mundy|Mundy, George]] (?–1853)
* [[Author:Talbot Mundy|Mundy, Talbot]] (1879–1940)
* [[Author:Theodore Thornton Munger|Munger, Theodore Thornton]] (1830–1910)
* [[Author:Richard Kendall Munkittrick|Munkittrick, Richard Kendall]] (1853–1911)
* [[Author:Harold Warner Munn|Munn, Harold Warner]] (1903–1981)
* [[Author:Luke Munn|Munn, Luke]]
* [[Author:Orson Desaix Munn|Munn, Orson Desaix]] (1824–1907)
* [[Author:James Murdoch|Murdoch, James]] (1856–1921)
* [[Author:James Rolfe Murie|Murie, James Rolfe]] (1862–1921)
* [[Author:Hector Hugh Munro|Munro, ''a. k. a.'' Saki, Hector Hugh]] (1870–1916)
* [[Author:Hugh Andrew Johnstone Munro|Munro, Hugh Andrew Johnstone]] (1819–1885)
* [[Author:John Munro|Munro, John]] (1849–1930)
* [[Author:Neil Munro|Munro, Neil]] (1864–1930)
* [[Author:Neil Gordon Munro|Munro, Niel Gordon]] (1863–1942)
* [[Author:Robert Munro|Munro, Robert]] (1835–1920)
* [[Author:Henry Smith Munroe|Munroe, Henry Smith]] (1850–1933)
* [[Author:Kirk Munroe|Munroe, Kirk]] (1850–1930)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Munroe|Munrow, Charles Edward]] (1849–1938)
* [[Author:Frank Andrew Munsey|Munsey, Frank Andrew]] (1854–1925)
* [[Author:Mary Frances Christina Münster|Münster, Mary Frances Christina]] (1829–1892)
* [[Author:Hugo Münsterberg|Münsterberg, Hugo]] (1863–1916)
* [[Author:Murasaki Shikibu|Murasaki Shikibu]] (c. 978–c. 1014 or 1025)
* [[Author:Nikolay Muravyov-Karsky|Muravyov-Karsky, Nikolay]] (1794–1866)
* [[Author:Roderick Impey Murchison|Murchison, Roderick Impey]] (1792–1871)
* [[Author:Francis Clark Murgotten|Murgotten, Francis Clark]] (1880–)
* [[Author:Arthur Murphy|Murphy, Arthur]] (1727–1805)
* [[Author:Frank Murphy|Murphy, Frank]] (1890–1949)
* [[Author:James Vincent Murphy|Murphy, James Vincent]] (1880–1946)
* [[Author:Philip Dunton Murphy|Murphy, Philip Dunton]] (1957-)
* [[Author:Shirley Forster Murphy|Murphy, Sir Shirley Forster]] (1848–1923)
* [[Author:Wallace Carlton Murphy|Murphy, Wallace Carlton]] (b. 1883)
* [[Author:Alexander Stuart Murray|Murray, Alexander Stuart]] (1841–1904)
* [[Author:Andrew Murray|Murray, Andrew]] (1829–1917)
* [[Author:Augustus Taber Murray|Murray, Augustus Taber]] (1866–1940)
* [[Author:Eustace Clare Grenville Murray|Murray, Eustace Clare Grenville]] (1824–1881)
* [[Author:George Murray (1772-1846)|Murray, Sir George]] (1772–1846)
* [[Author:George Murray (1830-1910)|Murray, George]] (1830–1910)
* [[Author:George Herbert Murray|Murray, Sir George Herbert]] (1849–1936)
* [[Author:Gilbert Murray|Murray, Gilbert]] (1866–1957)
* [[Author:Harold James Ruthven Murray|Murray, Harold James Ruthven]] (1868–1955)
* [[Author:Hilda Mary Ruthven Murray|Murray, Hilda Mary Emily Ruthven]] (1875–1951)
* [[Author:James Augustus Henry Murray|Murray, James Augustus Henry]] (1837–1915)
* [[Author:Johan Andreas Murray|Murray, Johann Andreas]] (1740–1791)
* [[Author:John Murray (Universalist)|Murray, John]] (1741–1815)
* [[Author:John Murray (1841-1914)|Murray, Sir John]] (1841–1914)
* [[Author:Judith Sargent Murray|Murray, Judith Sargent]] (1751–1820)
* [[Author:Louisa Murray|Murray, Louisa]] (1818–1894)
* [[Author:Margaret Alice Murray|Murray, Margaret Alice]] (1863–1963)
* [[Author:Mary Alice Murray|Murray, Mary Alice]]
* [[Author:William Murray|Murray, William]] (1705–1793)
* [[Author:John Middleton Murry|Murry, John Middleton]] (1889–1957)
* [[Author:Johann Karl August Musäus|Musäus, Johann Karl August]] (1735–1787)
* [[Author:George Musgrave|Musgrave, George]] (1798–1883)
* [[Author:Thomas Musgrave|Musgrave, Thomas]] (1832–1891)
* [[Author:Alois Musil|'''Musil, Alois''']] (1868–1944)
* [[Author:Robert Musil|Musil, Robert]] (1880–1942)
* [[Author:Elon Reeve Musk|Elon Reeve Musk]] (1971–{{0|0000}})
* [[Author:Alfred Louis Charles de Musset-Pathay|Musset-Pathay, Alfred Louis Charles de]] (1810–1857)
* [[Author:Benito Mussolini|Mussolini, Benito]] (1883–1945)
* [[Author:Gustave Charles Marie Mutel|Mutel, Gustave Charles Marie]] (1854–1933)
* [[Author:Ayaz Mütallibov|Mütallibov, Ayaz]] (1938–)
* [[Author:Richard Muther|Muther, Richard]] (1860–1909)
* [[Author:Franz Xaver Mutz|Mutz, Franz Xaver]] (1854–1925)

==My==
* [[Author:Claude Mydorge|Mydorge, Claude]] (1585–1647)
* [[Author:Arthur Thomas Myers|Myers, Arthur Thomas]] (1851–1894)
* [[Author:Edward Myers|Myers, Edward]] (1875–1956)
* [[Author:Ernest Myers|Myers, Ernest]] (1844–1921)
* [[Author:Frederic William Henry Myers|Myers, Frederic William Henry]] (1843–1901)
* [[Author:Leopold Hamilton Myers|Myers, Leopold Hamilton]] (1881–1944)
* [[Author:Peter Hamilton Myers|Myers, Peter Hamilton]] (1812–1878)
* [[Author:Philip Van Ness Myers|Myers, Philip Van Ness]] (1846–1937)
* [[Author:John Linton Myres|Myres, John Linton]] (1869–1954)</text>
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=={{anchor|Ta}}Ta/Ṭa==
* [[Author:Tachibana no Nagayasu|Tachibana no Nagayasu]] (988–1050s)
* [[Author:Tacitus|Tacitus]] (55–117)
* [[Author:Alphonso Taft|Taft, Alphonso]] (1810–1891)
* [[Author:William Howard Taft|Taft, William Howard]] (1857–1930)
* [[Author:Devendranath Tagore|Tagore, Devendranath]] (1817–1905)
* '''[[Author:Rabindranath Tagore|Tagore, Rabindranath]]''' (1861–1941)
* [[Author:Taikenmon'in no Horikawa|Taikenmon'in no Horikawa]] (fl. 12th cent.)
* [[Author:Hippolyte Taine|Taine, Hippolyte]] (1828–1893)
* [[Author:Taira no Kanemori|Taira no Kanemori]] (?–991)
* [[Author:Taishō|Taishō]] (1879–1926)
* [[Author:James Tait|Tait, James]] (1863–1944)
* [[Author:Peter Guthrie Tait|Tait, Peter Guthrie]] (1831–1901)
* [[Author:Takashina no Takako|Takashina no Takako]] (?–996)
* [[Author:Mehmed Talat Paşha‎|Talat, Paşha‎ Mehmed]] (1874–1921)
* [[Author:Edward Allen Talbot|Talbot, Edward Allen]] (1796–1839)
* [[Author:Ellen Bliss Talbot|Talbot, Ellen Bliss]] (1867–1968)
* [[Author:Robert Catesby Taliaferro|Taliaferro, Robert Catesby]] (1907–1989)
* [[Author:William Booth Taliaferro|Taliaferro, William Booth]] (1822–1898)
* [[Author:James E. Talmage|Talmage, James E.]] (1862–1933)
* [[Author:Thomas De Witt Talmage|Talmage, Thomas De Witt]] (1832–1902)
* [[Author:Max Talmey|Talmey, Max]] (1869–1941)
* [[Author:Anton Hansen Tammsaare|Tammsaare, Anton Hansen]] (1878–1940)
* [[Author:Naoomi Tamura|Tamura, Naoomi]] (1858–1934)
* [[Author:Tanaka Giichi|Tanaka Giichi]]
* [[Author:Osborne William Tancock|Tancock, Osborne William]] (1839–1930)
* [[Author:Tom Tancredo|Tancredo, Tom]] (1945–present)
* [[Author:Roger Brooke Taney|Taney, Roger Brooke]] (1777–1864)
* [[Author:Tang Wensheng|Tang Wensheng]] (1943–present)
* [[Author:Robert Tannahill|Tannahill, Robert]] (1774–1810)
* [[Author:John S. Tanner|Tanner, John S.]] (1944–present)
* [[Author:Joseph Robson Tanner|Tanner, Joseph Robson]] (1860–1931)
* [[Author:Shinkichi Tanouye|Tanouye, Shinkichi]] (unknown)
* [[Author:Arthur George Tansley|Tansley, Arthur George]] (1871–1955)
* [[Author:Eva March Tappan|Tappan, Eva March]] (1854–1930)
* [[Author:William Bingham Tappan|Tappan, William Bingham]] (1794–1849)
* [[Author:Ida Minerva Tarbell|Tarbell, Ida Minerva]] (1857–1944)
* [[Author:Booth Tarkington|Tarkington, Booth]] (1869–1946)
* [[Author:Benjamin Tarnowski|Tarnowski, Benjamin]] (1839–1906)
* [[Author:Ralph Stockman Tarr|Tarr, Ralph Stockman]] (1864–1912)
* [[Author:Giuseppe Tartini|Tartini, Giuseppe]] (1692–1770)
* [[Author:Abel Tasman|Tasman, Abel]] (1603–1659)
* [[Author:Torquato Tasso|Torquato Tasso]] (1544–1595)
* [[Author:Nahum Tate|Tate, Nahum]] (1652–1715)
* [[Author:Jamsetji Tata|Tata, Jamsetji Nusserwanji]] (1839–1904)
* [[Author:Frederick Tatham|Tatham, Frederick]] (1805–1878)
* [[Author:Tatian|Tatian]] (2nd century)
* [[Author:Christiane Taubira|Taubira, Chrisiane]] (1952–)
* [[Author:Ethelred Luke Taunton|Taunton, Ethelred Luke]] (1857–1907)
* [[Author:Frank William Taussig|Taussig, Frank William]] (1859–1940)
* [[Author:Fereshteh Tavangar|Tavangar, Fereshteh]] (1966–present)
* [[Author:Ann Taylor|Taylor, Ann]] (1782–1886)
* [[Author:Bayard Taylor|Taylor, Bayard]] (1825–1878)
* [[Author:Benjamin Franklin Taylor|Taylor, Benjamin Franklin]] (1819–1887)
* [[Author:Charles Taylor|Taylor, Charles]] (1840–1908)
* [[Author:Charles Fayette Taylor|Taylor, Charles]] (1827–1899)
* [[Author:Edgar Taylor|Taylor, Edgar]] (1793–1839)
* [[Author:Edward Taylor|Taylor, Edward]] (1642–1729)
* [[Author:Frank Bursley Taylor|Taylor, Frank Bursley]] (1860–1938)
* [[Author:Harold Dennis Taylor|Taylor, Harold Dennis]] (1862–1943)
* [[Author:Henry Martyn Taylor|Taylor, Henry Martyn]] (1842–1927)
* [[Author:Henry Osborn Taylor|Taylor, Henry Osborn]] (1856–1941)
* [[Author:J. Hudson Taylor|Taylor, J. Hudson]] (1832–1905)
* [[Author:Jane Taylor|Taylor, Jane]] (1783–1824)
* [[Author:John Taylor (publisher)|Taylor, John]] (1781–1864)
* [[Author:John Taylor (Latter Day Saints)|Taylor, John]] (1808–1887)
* [[Author:John Taylor of Caroline|Taylor of Caroline, John]] (1753–1824)
* [[Author:John Taylor (Water Poet)|Taylor, John]] (1580–1653)
* [[Author:John Taylor (civil engineer)|Taylor, John (Civil engineer)]] (1779–1863)
* [[Author:John Michael Taylor|Taylor, John Michael]] (1861–1933)
* [[Author:John Traill Taylor|Taylor, John Traill]] (1827–1895)
* [[Author:Marshall W. Taylor|Taylor, Marshall W.]] (1878–1932)
* [[Author:Richard Taylor (1781-1858)|Taylor, Richard]] (1781–1858)
* [[Author:Thomas Taylor (1758-1835)|Taylor, Thomas]] (1758–1835)
* [[Author:Tom Taylor|Taylor, Tom]] (1817–1880)
* [[Author:Una Ashworth Taylor|Taylor, Una Ashworth]] (1857/1858–1922)
* [[Author:William Taylor of Norwich|Taylor, William of Norwich]] (1765–1836)
* [[Author:William Bower Taylor|Taylor, William Bower]] (1821–1895)
* [[Author:William Desmond Taylor|Taylor, William Desmond]] (1872–1922)
* [[Author:William Ladd Taylor|Taylor, William Ladd]] (1854–1926)
* [[Author:William Mackergo Taylor|Taylor, William Mackergo]] (1829–1895)
* [[Author:Zachary Taylor|Taylor, Zachary]] (1784–1850)
* [[Author:Blanche Taylor Dickinson|Taylor Dickinson, Blanche]] (1896–1972)
* [[Author:Ibn Taymiyyah|Ibn Taymiyyah]]
* [[Author:Aṭ-Ṭaḥāwī|Aṭ-Ṭaḥāwī, Abū Jaʿfar Aḥmad]]

==Tc==
* [[Author:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich]] (1840–1893)
* [[Author:Vladimir Grigorievitch Tchertkoff|Tchertkoff, Vladimir Grigorievitch]] (1854–1936)

=={{anchor|Te|Té}}Te/Té==
* [[Author:Hilary Teague|Teague, Hilary]] (1802–1853)
* [[Author:Sara Teasdale|Teasdale, Sara]] (1884–1933)
* [[Author:Mary Teats|Teats, Mary]] (no dates)
* [[Author:John Tebbutt|Tebbutt, John]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:Tecumseh|Tecumseh]] (1768–1813)
* [[Author:Henry Richard Tedder|Tedder, Henry Richard]] (1850–1924)
* [[Author:Benjamin Franklin Tefft|Tefft, Benjamin Franklin]] (1813–1885)
* [[Author:Alexander Teixeira de Mattos|Teixeira de Mattos, Alexander]] (1865–1921)
* [[Author:Kâshinâth Trimbak Telang|Telang, Kâshinâth Trimbak]] (1850–1893)
* [[Author:Georg Philipp Telemann|Telemann, Georg Philipp]] (1681–1767)
* [[Author:Telesphorus|Telesphorus]] (?–136)
* [[Author:John Telford|Telford, John]] (1851–1936)
* [[Author:Thomas Telford|Telford, Thomas]] (1757–1834)
* [[Author:Harry Leroy Temple|Temple, Harry Leroy]] (1816–1888)
* [[Author:Henry Moore Teller|Teller, Henry Moore]] (1830–1914)
* [[Author:Gabriel José López Téllez|Téllez, Gabriel José López]] (1583–1648)
* [[Author:Henry Temple|Temple, Henry]] (c.1673–1757)
* [[Author:Henry John Temple|Temple, Henry John]] (1784–1865)
* [[Author:Richard Temple|Temple, Richard]] (1826–1902)
* [[Author:Richard Carnac Temple|Temple, Richard Carnac]] (1850–1931)
* [[Author:Charles Temple|Temple, Charles]] (?–?)
* [[Author:William Temple (1628-1699)|Temple, William]] (1628–1699)
* [[Author:William Temple (1881-1944)|Temple, William (Archbishop of Canterbury)]] (1881–1944)
* [[Author:William Frederick Temple|Temple, William Frederick]] (1914–1989)
* [[Author:Watkin Tench|Tench, Watkin]] (1758–1833)
* [[Author:Claudine Guérin de Tencin|de Tencin, Claudine Alexandrine Guérin]] (1682–1749)
* [[Author:Tenji|Tenji]] (626–672)
* [[Author:Smithson Tennant|Tennant, Smithson]] (1761–1815)
* [[Author:Edward Payson Tenney|Tenney, Edward Payson]] (1835–1916)
* [[Author:Sanborn Tenney|Tenney, Sanborn]] (1827–1877)
* [[Author:Alfred Tennyson|'''Tennyson, Alfred''']] (1809–1892)
* [[Author:Tenzin Gyatso|Tenzin Gyatso]] (1935–present)
* [[Author:Publius Terentius Afer|Terentius Afer, Publius (Terence)]] (c. 195/185 B.C.–159 B.C.)
* [[Author:Teresa of Ávila|'''Teresa of Ávila''']] (1515–1582)
* [[Author:Jerald Franklin terHorst|terHorst, Jerald Franklin]] (1922–present)
* [[Author:Albert Payson Terhune|Terhune, Albert Payson]] (1872–1942)
* [[Author:Luis I. Terrazas|Terrazas, Luis I.]]
* [[Author:Charles Hughes Terrot|Terrot, Charles Hughes]] (1790–1872)
* [[Author:Charles Sanford Terry|Terry, Charles Sanford]] (1864–1936)
* [[Author:Tertullian|'''Tertullian''']] (160–235)
* [[Author:Nikola Tesla|'''Tesla, Nikola''']] (1856–1943)
* [[Author:Jon Tester|Tester, John]] (1956–present)
* [[Author:Johann Tetzel|Tetzel, Johann]] (1460–1519)

==Th==
* [[Author:Francis St. John Thackeray|Thackeray, Francis St. John]] (1832–1919)
* [[Author:Joseph Thackeray|Thackeray, Joseph]] (1784–1832)
* [[Author:William Makepeace Thackeray|'''Thackeray, William Makepeace''']] (1811–1863)
* [[Author:Victor Thaddeus|Thaddeus, Victor]] (1895–1974)
* [[Author:Thales of Miletus|Thales of Miletus]] (c. 624 B.C.E.–c. 546 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Griffithes Wheeler Thatcher|Thatcher, Griffithes Wheeler]] (1863–1950)
* [[Author:Margaret Thatcher|'''Thatcher, Margaret''']] (1925–2013)
* [[Author:Alexander Wheelock Thayer|Thayer, Alexander Wheelock]] (1817–1897)
* [[Author:Ernest Lawrence Thayer|Thayer, Ernest Lawrence]] (1863–1940)
* [[Author:Henry Otis Thayer|Thayer, Henry Otis]] (1832–1927)
* [[Author:James Bradley Thayer|Thayer, James Bradley]] (1831–1902)
* [[Author:Martin Russell Thayer|Thayer, M. Russell]] (1819–1906)
* [[Author:Theætetus of Athens|Theætetus of Athens]] (c. 417 B.C.E.–369 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Otakar Theer|Theer, Otakar]] (1880–1917)
* [[Author:Sydney Thelwall|Thelwall, Sydney]] (1834–1922)
* [[Author:Frederick Vincent Theobald|Theobald, Frederick Vincent]] (1868–1930)
* [[Author:Lewis Theobald|Theobald, Lewis]] (1688–1744)
* [[Author:Theocritus|Theocritus]] (fl. 3rd century BCE)
* [[Author:Theodoret|Theodoret of Cyrus]] (393–457)
* [[Author:Theodoric of Prague|Theodoric of Prague]] (fl. 1359–1368)
* [[Author:Theodoric the Great|Theodoric the Great]] (454–526)
* [[Author:Theodorus of Cyrene|Theodorus of Cyrene]] (''fl.'' 400 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Publius Aelius Aristides Theodorus|Theodorus, Publius Aelius Aristides]] (117–189/185)
* [[Author:Theodosius of Tripolis|Theodosius of Tripolis]] (c. 160 B.C.E.–c. 100 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Theognostus of Alexandria|Theognostus of Alexandria]] (210–270)
* [[Author:Theon of Alexandria|Theon of Alexandria]] (c. 335–c. 405)
* [[Author:Theonas of Alexandria|Theonas of Alexandria]] (?–?)
* [[Author:Theophilus of Antioch|Theophilus of Antioch]] (2nd century)
* [[Author:Theophrastus of Eresos|Theophrastus of Eresos]] (c. 371 – c. 287 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Thérèse of Lisieux|Thérèse of Lisieux]] (1873–1897)
* [[Author:Theudius of Magnesia|Theudius of Magnesia]] (4th century B.C.E.)
* [[Author:François-Anatole Thibault|Thibault, François-Anatole]] (1844–1924)
* [[Author:Anton Friedrich Justus Thibaut|Thibaut, Anton Friedrich Justus]] (1772–1840)
* [[Author:Nicolas Leon Thieblin|Thieblin, Nicolas Leon]] (1834–1888)
* [[Author:Karl Hermann Johannes Thiele|Thiele, Karl Hermann Johannes]] (1860-1935)
* [[Author:William Turner Thiselton-Dyer|Thiselton-Dyer, William Turner]] (1843–1928)
* [[Author:James Mills Thoburn|Thoburn, James Mills]] (1836–1922)
* [[Author:Ludwig Thoma|Thoma, Ludwig]] (1867–1921)
* [[Author:Albert Thomas|Thomas, Albert]] (1878–1932)
* [[Author:Annie Thomas|Thomas, Annie]] (1838–1918)
* [[Author:Antoine Thomas|Thomas, Antoine]] (1857–1935)
* [[Author:Arthur W. Thomas|Thomas, Arthur W.]] (d. 1982)
* [[Author:Calvin Thomas|Thomas, Calvin]] (1854–1919)
* [[Author:Clarence Thomas|Thomas, Clarence]] (b. 1948)
* [[Author:Daniel Lleufer Thomas|Thomas, Daniel Lleufer]] (1863–1940)
* [[Author:David Thomas|Thomas, David]] (1813–1894)
* [[Author:David Yancey Thomas|Thomas, David Yancey]] (1872–1943)
* [[Author:Dylan Thomas|'''Thomas, Dylan''']] (1914–1953)
* [[Author:Edith Matilda Thomas|Thomas, Edith Matilda]] (1854–1925)
* [[Author:George Housman Thomas|Thomas, George Housman]] (1824–1868)
* [[Author:Herbert Theodore Thomas|Thomas, Herbert Theodore]] (1856–1930)
* [[Author:John Thomas (1805-1871)|Thomas, John]] (1805–1871)
* [[Author:John Wellesley Thomas|Thomas, Sir John Wellesley]] (1822–1908)
* [[Author:Northcote Whitridge Thomas|Thomas, Northcote Whitridge]] (1868–1936)
* [[Author:Oldfield Thomas|Thomas, (M. R.) Oldfield]] (1858–1929)
* [[Author:Paul B. Thomas|Thomas, Paul B.]]
* [[Author:William Thomas (secretary)|Thomas, William]]
* [[Author:William Cave Thomas|Thomas, William Cave]] (1820–1906)
* [[Author:John Pennington Thomasson|Thomasson, John Pennington]] (1841–1904) 
* [[Author:Charles Thomas-Stanford|Thomas-Stanford, Charles]] (1858–1932)
* [[Author:Benjamin Thompson|Thompson, Benjamin, Count Rumford]] (1753–1814)
* [[Author:Daniel R. Thompson|Thompson, Daniel R.]] (1935–2004)
* [[Author:Edward Maunde Thompson|Thompson, Edward Maunde]] (1840–1929)
* [[Author:Francis Thompson|Thompson, Francis]] (1859–1907)
* [[Author:Fred Thompson|Thompson, Fred]] (1942–present)
* [[Author:Henry Thompson|Thompson, Henry]] (1820–1904)
* [[Author:Henry Lewis Thompson|Thompson, Henry Lewis]] (1840–1904)
* [[Author:Henry S. Thompson|Thompson, Henry S.]] (–)
* [[Author:James Westfall Thompson|Thompson, James Westfall]] (1869–1941)
* [[Author:John Reuben Thompson|Thompson, John Reuben]] (1824–1873)
* [[Author:John Sparrow David Thompson|Thompson, John Sparrow David]] (1845–1894)
* [[Author:Mills Thompson|Thompson, Mills]] (1875–1944)
* [[Author:Reginald Edward Thompson|Thompson, Reginald Edward]] (1834–1912)
* [[Author:Ruth Plumly Thompson|Thompson, Ruth Plumly]] (1891–1976)
* [[Author:Smith Thompson|Thompson, Smith]] (1768–1843)
* [[Author:Silvanus Phillips Thompson|Thompson, Silvanus Phillips]] (1851–1916)
* [[Author:D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson (1829-1902)|Thompson, D'Arcy Wentworth]] (1829–1902)
* [[Author:D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson (1860-1948)|Thompson, Sir D'Arcy Wentworth]] (1860–1948)
* [[Author:Hans Peter Jørgen Julius Thomsen|Thomsen, Hans Peter Jørgen Julius]] (1826–1909)
* [[Author:Alexis Thomson|Thomson, Alexis]] (1863–1924)
* [[Author:Christopher Birdwood Thomson|Thomson, Christopher Birdwood]] (1875–1930)
* [[Author:David Croal Thomson|Thomson, David Croal]] (1855–1930)
* [[Author:Elihu Thomson|Thomson, Elihu]] (1853–1937)
* [[Author:Harold Lyon Thomson|Thomson, Harold Lyon]] (1861–1924)
* [[Author:Hugh Thomson|Thomson, Hugh]] (1860–1920)
* [[Author:James Thomson (1700-1748)|Thomson, James]] (1700–1748)
* [[Author:James Thomson (1834–1882)|Thomson, James]] (1834–1882)
* [[Author:John Arthur Thomson|Thomson, John Arthur]] (1861–1933)
* [[Author:Joseph John Thomson|Thomson, Joseph John]] (1856–1940)
* [[Author:Ninian Hill Thomson|Thomson, Ninian Hill]] (1830–1921)
* [[Author:Richard Thomson|Thomson, Richard]] (1794–1865)
* [[Author:Spencer Thomson|Thomson, Spencer]] (1817–1886)
* [[Author:Thomas Thomson (1773-1852)|Thomson, Thomas (chemist)]] (1773–1852)
* [[Author:Thomas Thomson (1817-1878)|Thomson, Thomas (botanist)]] (1817–1878)
* [[Author:William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin|Thomson, William, 1st Baron Kelvin]] (1824–1907)
* [[Author:Henry David Thoreau|'''Thoreau, Henry David''']] (1817–1862)
* [[Author:Sophia Thoreau|Thoreau, Sophia]] (1819–1876)
* [[Author:George Thorn-Drury|Thorn-Drury, George]] (1860–1931)
* [[Author:George Walter Thornbury|Thornbury, George Walter]] (1828–1876)
* [[Author:Ashley Horace Thorndike|Thorndike, Ashley Horace]] (1871–1933)
* [[Author:Edward Lee Thorndike|Thorndike, Edward Lee]] (1874–1949)
* [[Author:Lynn Thorndike|Thorndike, Lynn]] (1882–1965)
* [[Author:Russell Thorndike|Thorndike, Russell]] (1938–1998)
* [[Author:Richard Thorne Thorne|Thorne, Richard Thorne]] (1841–1899)
* [[Author:William Benson Thorne|Thorne, William Benson]] (1878–1966)
* [[Author:Kerry Wendell Thornley|Thornley, Kerry Wendell]] (1938–1998)
* [[Author:Henry Thornton|Thornton, Henry]] (1760–1815)
* [[Author:William Henry Thornton|Thornton, William Henry]] (1830–1916)
* [[Author:William Lockwood Thornton|Thornton, William Lockwood]] (1811–1865)
* [[Author:Thorvaldur Thoroddsen|Thoroddsen, Thorvaldur]] (1855–1921)
* [[Author:Thomas Bangs Thorpe|Thorpe, Thomas Bangs]] (1815–1878)
* [[Author:Hester Thrale|Thrale, Hester]] (1741–1821)
* [[Author:Lancelot Edward Threlkeld|Threlkeld, Lancelot Edward]] (1788–1859)
* [[Author:Edward Thring|Thring, Edward]] (1821–1887)
* [[Author:Robert Throp|Throp, Robert]]
* [[Author:Thucydides|'''Thucydides''']] (ca. 460 BC–ca. 400 BC)
* [[Author:Johann Ludwig Wilhelm Thudichum|Thudichum, Johann Ludwig Wilhelm]] (1829–1901)
* [[Author:Carl Peter Thunberg|Thunberg, Carl Peter]] (1743–1828)
* [[Author:James Thurber|Thurber, James]] (1894–1961)
* [[Author:James Richard Thursfield|Thursfield, James Richard]] (1840–1923)
* [[Author:Herbert Thurston|Thurston, Herbert Henry Charles]] (1856–1939)
* [[Author:Robert Henry Thurston|Thurston, Robert Henry]] (1839–1903)
* [[Author:Thymaridas of Paros|Thymaridas of Paros]] (c. 400 B.C.E.–c. 350 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Arthur Christopher Thynne|Thynne, Arthur Christopher]] (1832–1908)

==Ti==
* [[Author:Charles John Tibbits|Tibbits, Charles John]] (1861–1935)
* [[Author:Plato Tiburtinus|Tiburtinus, Plato]] (''fl.'' 12th century)
* [[Author:Claud Buchanan Ticehurst|Ticehurst, Claud Buchanan]] (1881–1941)
* [[Author:Norman Frederic Ticehurst|Ticehurst, Norman Frederic]] (1873–1969)
* [[Author:Chidiock Tichborne|Tichborne, Chidiock]] (1558–1586)
* [[Author:Thomas Tickell|Tickell, Thomas]] (1685–1740)
* [[Author:George Ticknor|Ticknor, George]] (1791–1871)
* [[Author:William Tidd|Tidd, William]] (1760–1847)
* [[Author:Ludwig Tieck|Tieck, Ludwig]] (1773–1853)
* [[Author:Henry Tiedemann|Tiedemann, Henry]] (?–?)
* [[Author:Pieter Anton Tiele|Tiele, Pieter Anton]] (1834–1889)
* [[Author:Mary Tighe|Tighe, Mary]] (1772–1810)
* [[Author:Bal Gangadhar Tilak|Tilak, Bal Gangadhar]] (1856–1920)
* [[Author:Aubrey Wyatt Tilby|Tilby, Aubrey Wyatt]] (1880–1948)
* [[Author:Alexander Tille|Tille, Alexander]] (1866–1912)
* [[Author:Václav Tille|Tille, Václav]] (1867–1937)
* [[Author:Arthur Augustus Tilley|Tilley, Arthur Augustus]] (1851–1942)
* [[Author:Frederick Colin Tilney|Tilney, Frederick Colin]] (1865–1951)
* [[Author:Anna Maria Tilschová|Tilschová, Anna Maria]] (1873–1957)
* [[Author:John Timbs|Timbs, John]] (1801–1875)
* [[Author:Timæus of Locri|Timæus of Locri]] (c. 420 B.C.E.–c. 380 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:Samuel Timmins|Timmins, Samuel]] (1826–1902)
* [[Author:Yegor Fyodorovich Timkovsky|Timkovsky, Yegor Fyodorovich]] (1790–1875)
* [[Author:John Timperley|Timperley, John]] (1796–1856)
* [[Author:Henry Timrod|Timrod, Henry]] (1829–1867)
* [[Author:Henrietta Tindal|Tindal, Henrietta]] (1817–1879)
* [[Author:Matthew Tindal|Tindal, Matthew]] (1657–1733)
* [[Author:Charles Albert Tindley|Tindley, Charles Albert]] (1851–1933)
* [[Author:Chauncey Brewster Tinker|Tinker, Chauncey Brewster]] (1876–1963)
* [[Author:Henry Avray Tipping|Tipping, Henry Avray]] (1855–1933)
* [[Author:Helen Mary Tirard|Tirard, Helen Mary]] (1854–1943)
* [[Author:Tiruvalluvar|Tiruvalluvar]]
* [[Author:Gaston Tissandier|Tissandier, Gaston]] (1843–1899)

=={{anchor|To}}To/Tö==
* [[Author:Alexis de Tocqueville|Tocqueville, Alexis de]] (1805–1859)
* [[Author:Marcus Niebuhr Tod|Tod, Marcus Niebuhr]] (1878–1974)
* [[Author:Charles Burr Todd|Todd, Charles Burr]] (1849–1928)
* [[Author:Elizabeth Marion Todd|Todd, Elizabeth Marion]] (1841–1917)
* [[Author:Frank Morton Todd|Todd, Frank Morton]] (1871–1940)
* [[Author:Frederick Dundas Todd|Todd, Frederick Dundas]] (1858–1926)
* [[Author:James Henthorn Todd|Todd, James Henthorn]] (1805–1869)
* [[Author:Robert Bentley Todd|Todd, Robert Bentley]] (1809–1860)
* [[Author:Thomas Todd|Todd, Thomas]] (1765–1826)
* [[Author:Isaac Todhunter|Todhunter, Isaac]] (1820–1884)
* [[Author:Jacopone da Todi|Todi, Jacopone da]] (1236–1306)
* [[Author:Harald Toksvig|Toksvig, Harald]] (1895–1958)
* [[Author:Tokudaiji Sanesada|Tokudaiji Sanesada]] (1139–1192)
* [[Author:Thomas Northcote Toller|Toller, Thomas Northcote]] (1844–1930)
* [[Author:Frank L. Tolman|Tolman, Frank L.]]
* [[Author:Richard Chace Tolman|Tolman, Richard Chace]] (1881–1948)
* '''[[Author:Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy|Tolstoy, Lev Nikolayevich]]''' (1828–1910)
* [[Author:Karel Toman|Toman, Karel]] (1877–1946)
* [[Author:Henry Major Tomlinson|Tomlinson, Henry Major]] (1873–1958)
* [[Author:Ralph Tomlinson|Tomlinson, Ralph]] (1744–1778)
* [[Author:Lilian Charlotte Anne Tomn|Tomn, Lilian Charlotte Anne]] (1870–1926)
* [[Author:Charles Tompson Jr.|Tompson Jr., Charles ]] (1806–1883)
* [[Author:Theobald Wolfe Tone|Tone, Theobald Wolfe]] (1763–1798)
* [[Author:Yan-Feng Tong|Tong, Yan-Feng]] (also ''Yanfeng'')
* [[Author:Charlotte Elizabeth Tonna|Tonna, Charlotte Elizabeth]] (1792–1846)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Tönnies|Tönnies, Ferdinand]] (1855–1936)
* [[Author:Cuthbert Tonstall|Tonstall, Cuthbert]] (1474–1559)
* [[Author:Benjamin Tooke|Tooke, Benjamin]]
* [[Author:Frederick R. Toombs|Toombs, Frederick R.]] (1879–1929)
* [[Author:Jean Toomer|Toomer, Jean]] (1894–1967)
* [[Author:Frank William Warwick Topham|Topham, Frank William Warwick]] (1838–1924)
* [[Author:Paul Topinard|Topinard, Paul]]
* [[Author:Augustus Montague Toplady|Toplady, Augustus Montague]] (1740–1778)
* [[Author:Robert Torrens|Torrens, Robert]] (1780–1864)
* [[Author:Bradford Torrey|Torrey, Bradford]] (1843–1912)
* [[Author:Evangelista Torricelli|Torricelli, Evangelista]] (1608–1647)
* [[Author:Gian Marco Tosi|Tosi, Gian Marco]]
* [[Author:Lisa Toto|Toto, Lisa]]
* [[Author:Joseph Gilbert Totten|Totten, Joseph Gilbert]] (1788–1864)
* [[Author:Édouard Toulouse|Toulouse, Édouard]] (1865–1947)
* [[Author:Ibrahim Touqan|Touqan, Ibrahim]] (1905–1941)
* [[Author:Joseph Pitton de Tournefort|Tournefort, Joseph Pitton de]] (1656–1708)
* [[Author:Cyril Tourneur|Tourneur, Cyril]] (1575–1626)
* [[Author:Francis Edward Tourscher|Tourscher, Francis Edward]] (1870–1939)
* [[Author:Thomas Frederick Tout|Tout, Thomas Frederick]] (1855–1929)
* [[Author:Donald Francis Tovey|Tovey, Donald Francis]] (1875–1940)
* [[Author:Duncan Crookes Tovey|Tovey, Duncan Crookes]] (1842–1912)
* [[Author:Andrew Toward|Toward, Andrew]]
* [[Author:Joseph Towers|Towers, Joseph]] (1737–1799)
* [[Author:George Makepeace Towle|Towle, George Makepeace]] (1841–1893)
* [[Author:Jackson Edmund Towne|Towne, Jackson Edmund]] (1894–1971)
* [[Author:Charles Harrison Townsend|Townsend, Charles Harrison]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Edward Davis Townsend|Townsend, Edward Davis]] (1817–1893)
* [[Author:Eliza Townsend|Townsend, Eliza]] (1788–1854)
* [[Author:George Fyler Townsend|Townsend, George Fyler]] (1814–1900)
* [[Author:Crawford Howell Toy|Toy, Crawford Howell]] (1836–1919)
* [[Author:Geoffrey Toye|Toye, Edward Geoffrey]] (1889–1942)
* [[Author:Paget Jackson Toynbee|Toynbee, Paget Jackson]] (1855–1932)
* [[Author:Aiden Wilson Tozer|Tozer, Aiden Wilson]] (1897–1963)
* [[Author:Henry Fanshawe Tozer|Tozer, Henry Fanshawe]] (1829–1916)

==Tr==
* [[Author:Roger Sherman Tracy|Tracy, Roger Sherman]] (1841–1926)
* [[Author:James Traficant|Traficant, James]] (1941–)
* [[Author:Thomas Stewart Traill|Traill, Thomas Stewart]] (1781–1862)
* [[Author:George Francis Train|Train, George Francis]] (1829–1904)
* [[Author:Allen B. Tranquen|Tranquen, Allen B.]] (1938–)
* [[Author:Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus|Tranquillus, Gaius Suetonius]] (70–130)
* [[Author:Trần Hưng Đạo|Trần Hưng Đạo]] (1228–1300)
* [[Author:Alice Earle Nicholson Coates Trask|Trask, Alice N.]] (1873–1955)
* [[Author:John Ellingwood Donnell Trask|Trask, John E. D.]] (1871–1926)
* [[Author:Horace Logo Traubel|Traubel, Horace Logo]] (1858–1919)
* [[Author:Eva Louisa Travers|Travers, Eva Louisa]] (1855–1897)
* [[Author:Mary Lua Adelia Davis Treat|Treat, Mary Lua Adelia Davis]] (1830–1923)
* [[Author:Emil Julius Trechmann|Trechmann, Emil Julius]] (1856–1929)
* [[Author:Edward Tregear|Tregear, Edward Robert]] (1846–1931)
* [[Author:Walter Hawken Tregellas|Tregellas, Walter Hawken]] (1831–1894)
* [[Author:Georg Friedrich Treitschke|Treitschke, Georg Friedrich]] (1776–1842)
* [[Author:William Trelease|Trelease, William]] (1857–1945)
* [[Author:Herbert Trench|Trench, Herbert]] (1865–1923)
* [[Author:John Trenchard|Trenchard, John]] (1662–1723)
* [[Author:John Brande Trend|Trend, John Brande]] (1887–1958)
* [[Author:Friedrich Adolf Trendelenburg|Trendelenburg, Friedrich Adolf]] (1802–1872)
* [[Author:Gladys Gordon Trenery|Trenery, Gladys Gordon]] (1885–1938)
* [[Author:William P. Trent|Trent, William P.]] (1862–1939)
* [[Author:Melchior Treub|Treub, Melchior]] (1851–1910)
* [[Author:Charles Philips Trevelyan|Trevelyan, Charles Philips]] (1870–1958)
* [[Author:George Macaulay Trevelyan|Trevelyan, George Macaulay]] (1876–1962)
* [[Author:Robert Calverley Trevelyan|Trevelyan, Robert Calverley]] (1872–1951)
* [[Author:Robert Trimble|Trimble, Robert]] (1776–1828)
* [[Author:William Trimble|Trimble, William]] (?–?)
* [[Author:Henry Trimen|Trimen, Henry]] (1843–1896)
* [[Author:Roland Trimen|Trimen, Roland]] (1840–1916)
* [[Author:Sarah Trimmer|Trimmer, Sarah]] (1741–1810)
* [[Author:Ralph Waldo Trine|Trine, Ralph Waldo]] (1866–?)
* [[Author:Henry Baker Tristram|Tristram, Henry Baker]] (1822–1906)
* '''[[Author:Anthony Trollope|Trollope, Anthony]]''' (1815–1882)
* [[Author:Thomas Adolphus Trollope|Trollope, Thomas Adolphus]] (1810–1892)
* [[Author:William Trollope|Trollope, William]] (1798–1863)
* [[Author:Cornelis Maartenszoon Tromp|Tromp, Cornelis Maartenszoon]] (1629–1691)
* [[Author:Maarten Harpertszoon Tromp|Tromp, Maarten Harpertszoon]] (1598–1653)
* '''[[Author:Leon Trotsky|Trotsky, Leon]]''' (1879–1940)
* [[Author:Bernard Freeman Trotter|Trotter, Bernard Freeman]] (1890–1917)
* [[Author:Coutts Trotter|Trotter, Coutts]] (1831–1906)
* [[Author:Henry Trotter|Trotter, Henry]] (1841–1919)
* [[Author:Catharine Trotter Cockburn|Trotter Cockburn, Catharine]] (1679–1749)
* [[Author:Frederick Thomas Trouton|Trouton, Frederick Thomas]] (1863–1922)
* [[Author:Chretien de Troyes|Troyes, Chretien de]] (12th Century)
* [[Author:Charles Arthur William Troyte|Troyte, Charles Arthur William]] (1842–1896)
* [[Author:Thomas Troward|Troward, Thomas]] (1847–1916)
* [[Author:John Townsend Trowbridge|Trowbridge, John Townsend]] (1827–1916)
* [[Author:Alfred Charles True|True, Alfred Charles]] (1853–1929)
* [[Author:Benjamin Cummings Truman|Truman, Benjamin Cummings]] (1835–1916)
* [[Author:Harry S. Truman|Truman, Harry S.]] (1884–1972)
* [[Author:Joseph Truman|Truman, Joseph]] (1842–1923)
* [[Author:Donald John Trump|Trump, Donald]] (b. 1946)
* [[Author:John Trusler|Trusler, John]] (1735–1820)
* [[Author:Roland Truslove|Truslove, Roland]] (1879–?)
* [[Author:Sojourner Truth|Truth, Sojourner]] (1797?–1883)
* [[Author:Tryphiodorus|Tryphiodorus]] (3rd or 4th century AD)

==Ts==
* [[Author:Tsendiin Damdinsüren|Tsendiin Damdinsüren]] (1908–1986)
* [[Author:Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky|Tsiolkovsky, Konstantin Eduardovich]] (1857–1935)
* [[Author:Ts'o Seen Wan|Ts'o Seen Wan]] (1868–1953)
* [[Author:Marina Tsvetaeva|Tsvetaeva, Marina]] (1891–1938)
* [[Author:Gombojab Tsybikov|Tsybikov, Gombojab]] (1873–1930)

=={{anchor|Tu|Tū}}Tu/Tū==
* [[Author:Julian George Tuck|Tuck, Julian George]] (1851–1933)
* [[Author:Benjamin R. Tucker|Tucker, Benjamin R.]] (1854–1939)
* [[Author:John Randolph Tucker|Tucker, John Randolph]] (1823–1897)
* [[Author:Nathaniel Beverley Tucker (1784-1851)|Tucker, Nathaniel Beverly]] (1784–1851)
* [[Author:Frederick Goddard Tuckerman|Tuckerman, Frederick Goddard]] (1821–1873)
* [[Author:Bayard Tuckerman|Tuckerman, Bayard]] (1855–1923)
* [[Author:James Hingston Tuckey|Tuckey, James Hingston]] (1776–1816)
* [[Author:Friedebert Tuglas|Tuglas, Friedebert]] (1886–1971)
* [[Author:Daniel Hack Tuke|Tuke, Daniel Hack]] (1827–1895)
* [[Author:John Batty Tuke|Tuke, John Batty]] (1835–1913)
* [[Author:John Tulloch|Tulloch, John]] (1823–1886)
* [[Author:William Weir Tulloch|Tulloch, William Weir]] (1846–1920)
* [[Author:Hovhannes Tumanyan|Tumanyan, Hovhannes]] (1869–1923)
* [[Author:Antanas Tumėnas|Tumėnas, Antanas]] (1880–1946)
* [[Author:Charles Tupper|Tupper, Charles]] (1821–1915)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Brock Tupper|Tupper, Ferdinand Brock]] (1795–1874)
* [[Author:Ivan Turgenev|Turgenev, Ivan]] (1818–1883)
* [[Author:Mark Turin|Turin, Mark]] (1973–present)
* [[Author:František Turinský|Turinský, František]] (1797–1852)
* [[Author:Robert Turnbull|Turnbull, Roger]] (1809–1877)
* [[Author:Charles Tennyson Turner|Turner, Charles Tennyson]] (1808–1879)
* [[Author:Cuthbert Hamilton Turner|Turner, Cuthbert Hamilton]] (1860–1930)
* [[Author:Dawson Turner|Turner, Dawson]] (1775–1858)
* [[Author:Dawson William Turner|Turner, Dawson William]] (1815–1885)
* [[Author:Denys Turner|Turner, Denys]] (1942–present)
* [[Author:Frederick Jackson Turner|Turner, Frederick Jackson]] (1861–1932)
* [[Author:George James Turner|Turner, George James]] (1867–1941)
* [[Author:Henry Ward Turner|Turner, Henry Ward]] (1857–1937)
* [[Author:Herbert Hall Turner|Turner, Herbert Hall]] (1861–1930)
* [[Author:Mary Elizabeth Turner|Turner, Mary Elizabeth]] (1854–1907)
* [[Author:Nat Turner|Turner, Nat]] (1800–1831)
* [[Author:Samuel Epes Turner|Turner, Samuel Epes]] (1856–1896)
* [[Author:François-Henri Turpin|Turpin, François-Henri]] (1709–1799)
* [[Author:Tushratta|Tushratta]] (? BCE–1340 BCE)
* [[Author:Khawaja Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Hasan Tūsī|Tūsī, Khawaja Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Hasan]] (1201–1274)
* [[Author:Clarence D. Tuska|Tuska, Clarence D.]] (1896–1985)
* [[Author:William James Tutcher|Tutcher, William James]] (1867–1920)
* [[Author:Edward Tuthill|Tuthill, James Edward]] (1875–1954)
* [[Author:Alfred Edwin Howard Tutton|Tutton, Alfred Edwin Howard]] (1864–1938)
* [[Author:Desmond Tutu|Tutu, Desmond]] (1931–2021)

==Tv==
* [[Author:Per Martin Tvengsberg|Tvengsberg, Per Martin]] (1936–present)
* [[Author:Josef Tvrzický|Tvrzický, Josef]] (1884–1920)

==Tw==
* '''[[Author:Mark Twain|Twain, Mark]]''' (1835–1910)
* [[Author:Ethel Brilliana Tweedie|Tweedie, Ethel Brilliana (Mrs Alec Tweedie)]] (1867–1940)
* [[Author:Jesse Alfred Twemlow|Twemlow, Jesse Alfred]] (1869–1954)
* [[Author:Joseph Hopkins Twichell|Twichell, Joseph Hopkins]] (1838–1918)
* [[Author:Paul DeWitt Twinem|Twinem, Paul DeWitt]] (1894–1923)
* [[Author:Travers Twiss|Twiss, Travers]] (1809–1897)

==Ty==
* [[Author:Thomas Tyers|Tyers, Thomas]] (1726–1787)
* [[Author:Josef Kajetán Tyl|Tyl, Josef Kajetán]] (1808–1856)
* [[Author:Catherine Elizabeth Tylee|Tylee, Catherine Elizabeth]] (1811–1897)
* [[Author:John Tyler|Tyler, John]] (1790–1862)
* [[Author:Lyon Gardiner Tyler|Tyler, Lyon Gardiner]] (1853–1935)
* [[Author:Alfred Tylor|Tylor, Alfred]] (1824–1884)
* [[Author:Edward Burnett Tylor|Tylor, Edward Burnett]] (1832–1917)
* [[Author:Katharine Tynan Hinkson|Tynan, Katharine]] (1861–1931)
* [[Author:John Tyndall|Tyndall, John]] (1820–1893)
* [[Author:Louisa Charlotte Tyndall|Tyndall, Louisa Charlotte]] (1845–1940)
* [[Author:Walter Tyndale|Tyndale, Walter]] (1885–1943)
* [[Author:William Tyndale|Tyndale, William]] (1494–1536)
* [[Author:Stephen Higginson Tyng|Tyng Jr., Stephen Higginson]] (1839–1898)
* [[Author:James Williams Tyrrell|Tyrrell, James Williams]] (1863–1945)
* [[Author:Robert Yelverton Tyrrell|Tyrrell, Robert Yelverton]] (1844–1914)
* [[Author:Renáta Tyršová|Tyršová, Renáta]] (1854–1937)
* [[Author:Tyrtaeus|Tyrtaeus]] (fl. 7th c. BCE)
* [[Author:Sarah Tyson Heston|Tyson Heston, Sarah]] (1849–1947)
* [[Author:Patrick Fraser Tytler|Tytler, Patrick Fraser]] (1791–1849)
* [[Author:Alexander Fraser Tytler|Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser]] (1747–1813)
* [[Author:Fyodor Tyutchev|Tyutchev, Fyodor]] (1803–1873)
* [[Author:Ernest Edward Tyzzer|Tyzzer, Ernest Edward]] (1875–1965)

==Tz==
* [[Author:Tristan Tzara|Tzara, Tristan]] (1896–1963)</text>
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==Fa==
* [[Author:Frederick William Faber|Faber, Frederick William]] (1814–1863)
* [[Author:Johann Christian Fabricius|Fabricius, Johann Christian]] (1745–1808)
* [[Author:James Bernard Fagan|Fagan, James Bernard]] (1873–1933)
* [[Author:Louis Alexander Fagan|Fagan, Louis Alexander]] (1845–1903)
* [[Author:Estelle Faguette|Faguette, Estelle]] (1843–1929)
* [[Author:Andrew Martin Fairbairn|Fairbairn, Andrew Martin]] (1838–1912)
* [[Author:Arthur Fairbanks|Fairbanks, Arthur]] (1864–1944)
* [[Author:Dorothea Fairbridge|Fairbridge, Dorothea]] (1862–1931)
* [[Author:William Henry Fairbrother|Fairbrother, William Henry]] (1859–1927)
* [[Author:Charles S. Fairchild|Fairchild, Charles Stebbins]] (1842–1924) 
* [[Author:Herman LeRoy Fairchild|Fairchild, Herman LeRoy]] (1850–1943)
* [[Author:Marion Fairfax|Fairfax, Marion]] (1875–1970)
* [[Author:Thomas Fairfax|Fairfax, Thomas]] (1612–1671)
* [[Author:Francis Gerry Fairfield|Fairfield, Francis Gerry]] (1844–1887)
* [[Author:Richard Falckenberg|Falckenberg, Richard]] (1851–1920)
* [[Author:Edmund Falconer|Falconer, Edmund]] (1814–1879)
* [[Author:Hugh Falconer|Falconer, Hugh]] (1808–1865)
* [[Author:Cæsar Litton Falkiner|Falkiner, Caesar Litton]] (1863–1908)
* [[Author:J. Meade Falkner|Falkner, John Meade]] (1858–1932)
* [[Author:Roland Post Falkner|Falkner, Roland P.]] (1866–1940)
* [[Author:Thomas McCall Fallow|Fallow, Thomas McCall]] (1847–1910)
* [[Author:Julian Fane|Fane, Julian]] (1827–1870)
* [[Author:Eaton Faning|Faning, Eaton]] (1850–1927)
* [[Author:John Fannin|Fannin, John]] (1837–1904)
* [[Author:Tolbert Fanning|Fanning, Tolbert]] (1810–1874)
* [[Author:Dean Spruill Fansler|Fansler, Dean Spruill]] (1885–1945)
* [[Author:Michael Faraday|Faraday, Michael]] (1791–1867)
* [[Author:Jerome H. Farbar|Farbar, Jerome Hammond]] (1886–1959)
* [[Author:Tiffany Rose Farchione|Farchione, Tiffany Rose]] (fl. 2023)
* [[Author:William Farel|Farel, William]] (1489–1565)
* [[Author:Annafranca Farfalla|Farfalla, Annafranca]] (?–present)
* [[Author:Oliver La Farge|Farge, Oliver La]] (1901–1963)
* [[Author:Benjamin Lyons Farinholt|Farinholt, Benjamin Lyons]] (1839–1919)
* [[Author:Masood Farivar|Farivar, Masood]] (1969-)
* [[Author:Eleanor Farjeon|Farjeon, Eleanor]] (1791–1867)
* [[Author:Fannie Farmer|Farmer, Fannie Merritt]] (1857–1915)
* [[Author:John Bretland Farmer|Farmer, John Bretland]] (1865–1944)
* [[Author:T. Erskine May, 1st Baron Farnborough|Farnborough, Thomas Erskine May, 1st Baron]] (1815–1886)
* [[Author:Lewis Richard Farnell|Farnell, Lewis Richard]] (1856–1934)
* [[Author:John Jeffery Farnol|Farnol, John Jeffery]] (1878–1952)
* [[Author:Richard Farnworth|Farnworth, Richard]] (d. 1666)
* [[Author:George Farquhar|Farquhar, George]] (c. 1678–1707)
* [[Author:John Nicol Farquhar|Farquahar, John Nicol]] (1861–1929)
* [[Author:William Henry Farquhar|Farquhar, William Henry]] (1813–1887)
* [[Author:Robert Farquharson|Farquharson, Robert]] (1837–1918)
* [[Author:Max Farrand|Farrand, Max]] (1869–1945)
* [[Author:Charles Alden John Farrar|Farrar, Charles Alden John]] (d. 1893)
* [[Author:Frederic William Farrar|Farrar, Frederic William]] (1831–1903)
* [[Author:Arthur Farrell|Farrell, Arthur]] (1877–1909)
* [[Author:John Farrell|Farrell, John]] (1851–1904)
* [[Author:Thomas Farren|Farren, Thomas]]
* [[Author:James Anson Farrer|Farrer, James Anson]] (1849–1925)
* [[Author:Sarah Farro|Farro, Sarah]] (1859–?)
* [[Author:Armand-Prosper Faugère|Faugère, Armand-Prosper]] (1810–1887)
* [[Author:Henry Faulds|Faulds, Henry]] (1843–1930)
* [[Author:George Faulkner|Faulkner, George]] (1703–1775)
* [[Author:Georgene Faulkner|Faulkner, Georgene]] (1873–1958)
* '''[[Author:William Cuthbert Faulkner|Faulkner, William]]''' (1897–1962)
* [[Author:Sébastien Faure|Faure, Sébastien]] (1858–1942)
* [[Author:Andrew Robert Fausset|Fausset, Andrew Robert]] (1821–1910)
* [[Author:Antonio Favaro|Favaro, Antonio]] (1847–1922)
* [[Author:Abner Fawcett|Fawcett, Abner]] (–)
* [[Author:Curtis Fawcett|Fawcett, Curtis]] (–)
* [[Author:Edgar Fawcett|Fawcett, Edgar]] (1847–1904)
* [[Author:Edward Douglas Fawcett|Fawcett, Edward Douglas]] (1866–1960)
* [[Author:Erasmus Rigney Fawcett|Fawcett, Erasmus Rigney]] (–)
* [[Author:Joseph Fawcett|Fawcett, Joseph]] (1771–1844)
* [[Author:Lyle Branson Fawcett|Fawcett, Lyle Branson]] (1804–1838)
* [[Author:Willis Fawcett|Fawcett, Willis]] (1809–1878)
* [[Author:Edwin Whitfield Fay|Fay, Edwin Whitfield]] (1865–1920)
* [[Author:Theodore Sedgwick Fay|Fay, Theodore Sedgwick]] (1807–1898)
* [[Author:Joseph Fayrer|Fayrer, Joseph]] (1824–1907)

==Fe==
* [[Author:Carl Adolf Feilberg|Feilberg, Carl Adolf]] (1844–1887)
* [[Author:Henry Wemyss Feilden|Feilden, Henry Wemyss]] (1838–1921)
* [[Author:Peter Feit|Feit, Peter]] (1883–1968)
* [[Author:Joseph John Fekl|Fekl, Joseph John]] (1883–1954)
* [[Author:Andreas Andersen Feldborg|Feldborg, Andreas Andersen]] (1782–1838)
* [[Author:Herbert Granville Fell|Fell, Herbert Granville]] (1872–1952)
* [[Author:Mary Fels|Fels, Mary]] (1863–1953)
* [[Author:Dennis Feltgen|Feltgen, Dennis]] (present)
* [[Author:Owen Feltham|Feltham, Owen]] (1602–1668)
* [[Author:George Manville Fenn|Fenn, George Manville]] (1831–1909)
* [[Author:Charles Augustus Maude Fennell|Fennell, Charles Augustus Maude]] (1843–1916)
* [[Author:Ernest Francisco Fenollosa|Fenollosa, Ernest Francisco]] (1853–1908)
* [[Author:Isabella Fenton|Fenton, Isabella]] (''c''. 1840–1908)
* [[Author:Eliza Fenwick|Fenwick, Eliza]] (1766–1840)
* [[Author:Edna Ferber|Ferber, Edna]] (1885–1968)
* [[Author:Afan Ferddig|Ferddig, Afan]] (fl. 633)
* [[Author:Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies|Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies]] (1751–1825)
* [[Author:Pierre Féret|Féret, Pierre]] (1830–1912)
* [[Author:Charles William Ferguson|Ferguson, Charles William]] (1847–1940)
* [[Author:John Ferguson|Ferguson, John]] (1838–1916)
* [[Author:John Alexander Ferguson (1871-1952)|Ferguson, John Alexander]] (1871-1952)
* [[Author:Malcolm Magoun Ferguson|Ferguson, Malcolm Magoun]] (1919–2011)
* [[Author:Richard Saul Ferguson|Ferguson, Richard Saul]] (1837–1900)
* [[Author:James Fergusson (1808-1886)|Fergusson, James]] (1808–1886)
* [[Author:Mikuláš Ferjenčík|Ferjenčík, Mikuláš]] (1904–1988)
* [[Author:Pierre de Fermat|de Fermat, Pierre]] (1601–1665)
* [[Author:Fanny Fern|Fern, Fanny]] (1811–1872)
* [[Author:Gustave Ferrari|Ferrari, Gustave]] (1872–1948)
* [[Author:Lodovico Ferrari|Ferrari, Lodovico]] (1522–1565)
* [[Author:William Ferrel|Ferrel, William]] (1817–1891)
* [[Author:Francisco Ferrer|Ferrer, Francisco]] (1859–1909)
* [[Author:Guglielmo Ferrero|Ferrero, Guglielmo]] (1871–1942)
* [[Author:James Moir Ferres|Ferres, James Moir]] (1813–1870)
* [[Author:Enrico Ferri|Ferri, Enrico]] (1856–1929)
* [[Author:Luigi Ferri|Ferri, Luigi]] (1826–1895)
* [[Author:Albert Warren Ferris|Ferris, Albert Warren]] (1856–1937)
* [[Author:James Frederick Ferrier|Ferrier, James Frederick]] (1808–1864)
* [[Author:James Walter Ferrier|Ferrier, James Walter]] (1850–1883)
* [[Author:Susan Edmonstoune Ferrier|Ferrier, Susan Edmonstoune]] (1782–1854)
* [[Author:Scipione del Ferro|del Ferro, Scipione]] (1465–1526)
* [[Author:Afanasy Fet|Fet, Afanasy]] (1820–1892)
* [[Author:William Pembroke Fetridge|Fetridge, William Pembroke]] (1827-1896)
* [[Author:Frank Albert Fetter|Fetter, Frank Albert]] (1863–1949)
* [[Author:Douglas E. Fetters|Fetters, Douglas E.]] (19??– )
* [[Author:Ludwig Andreas Feuerbach|Feuerbach, Ludwig]] (1804–1872)
* [[Author:Albert Feuillerat|Feuillerat, Albert]] (1874–1952)
* [[Author:Octave Feuillet|Feuillet, Octave]] (1821–1890)
* [[Author:Jesse Walter Fewkes|Fewkes, Jesse Walter]] (1850–1930)

==Ff==
* [[Author:Constance Jocelyn Ffoulkes|Ffoulkes, Constance Jocelyn]] (1858–1950)

==Fi==
* [[Author:Saint Fiacc|Fiacc, Saint]] (415–520)
* [[Author:Johann Gottlieb Fichte|Fichte, Johann Gottlieb]] (1762–1814)
* [[Author:John Rose Ficklen|Ficklen, John Rose]] (1858–1907)
* [[Author:Charles François Maximilien Marie de Ficquelmont|de Ficquelmont, Charles François Maximilien Marie]] (1819–1891)
* [[Author:Arthur Mostyn Field|Field, Admiral Sir Arthur Mostyn]] (1855–1950)
* [[Author:Claud Field|Field, Claud]] (1863–1941)
* [[Author:Eugene Field|Field, Eugene]] (1850–1895)
* [[Author:Mary Katherine Keemle Field|Field, Mary Katherine Keemle]] (1838–1896)
* [[Author:Stephen Johnson Field|Field, Stephen Johnson]] (1816–1899)
* '''[[Author:Henry Fielding|Fielding, Henry]]''' (1707–1754)
* [[Author:Sarah Fielding|Fielding, Sarah]] (1710–1768)
* [[Author:James Thomas Fields|Fields, James Thomas]] (1817–1881)
* [[Author:Zdeněk Fierlinger|Fierlinger, Zdeněk]] (1891–1976)
* [[Author:John Neville Figgis|Figgis, John Neville]] (1866–1919)
* [[Author:Mike Figueredo|Figueredo, Mike]]
* [[Author:Edite Figueiras|Figueiras, Edite]]
* [[Author:Louis Figuier|Figuier, Louis]] (1819–1894)
* [[Author:Bohdan Anton Filipi|Filipi, Bohdan Anton]] (1880–1952)
* [[Author:Emil František Josef Filla|Filla, Emil František Josef]] (1882–1953)
* [[Author:Millard Fillmore|Fillmore, Millard]] (1800–1874)
* [[Author:Robert Filmer|Filmer, Robert]] (1588–1653)
* [[Author:Robert Filner|Filner, Robert]] (1942–2025)
* [[Author:Augustin Filon|Filon, (Pierre Marie) Augustin]] (1841–1916)
* [[Author:John Filson|Filson, John]] (1753–1788)
* [[Author:Orontius Finaeus|Finaeus, Orontius]] (1494–1555)
* [[Author:Anne Finch, Countess of Winchilsea|Finch, Anne]] (1661–1720)
* [[Author:Henry Theophilus Finck|Finck, Henry Theophilus]] (1854–1926)
* [[Author:John Ritchie Findlay|Findlay, John Ritchie]] (1824–1898)
* [[Author:Joseph John Findlay|Findlay, Joseph John]] (1860–1940)
* [[Author:Thomas Edward Finegan|Finegan, Thomas Edward]] (1866–1932)
* [[Author:William Finlay|Finlay, William]] (1853–1914)
* [[Author:Arthur Robert Morrison Finlayson|Finlayson, Arthur Robert Morrison]] (1854–1910)
* [[Author:John Huston Finley|Finley, John Huston]] (1863–1940)
* [[Author:William Lovell Finley|Finley, William Lovell]] (1876–1953)
* [[Author:Frank Finn|Finn, Frank]] (1862–1932)
* [[Author:Pier Angelo Fiorentino|Fiorentino, Pier Angelo]] (1811–1864)
* [[Author:Ina Ten Eyck Firkins|Firkins, Ina Ten Eyck]] (1866–1937)
* [[Author:Johann Matthias Firmenich-Richartz|Firmenich-Richartz, Johann Matthias]] (1808–1889)
* [[Author:Charles Harding Firth|Firth, Sir Charles Harding]] (1857–1936)
* [[Author:Henry William Fischer|Fischer, Henry William]] (1856–1932)
* [[Author:Joseph Fischer|Fischer, Joseph]] (1858–1944)
* [[Author:Otokar Fischer|Fischer, Otokar]] (1883–1938)
* [[Author:Stephen Fischer-Galati|Fischer-Galati, Stephen]] (1924–2014)
* [[Author:Albert Fish|Fish, Albert]] (1870–1936)
* [[Author:Carl Russell Fish|Fish, Carl Russell]] (1876–1932)
* [[Author:Daniel Fish|Fish, Daniel]] (1848–1924)
* [[Author:James Leonard Fish|Fish, James Leonard]] (1828–1906)
* [[Author:Simon Fish|Fish, Simon]] (?–1531)
* [[Author:William Pinckney Fishback|Fishback, William Pinckney]] (1831–1901)
* [[Author:Edward N. Fishblatt|Fishblatt, Edward N.]] (fl. 1870s)
* [[Author:Albert Kenrick Fisher|Fisher, Albert Kenrick]] (1856–1948)
* [[Author:Alexander Fisher|Fisher, Alexander]] (1864–1936)
* [[Author:Frederick Bohn Fisher|Fisher, Frederick Bohn]] (1882–1938)
* [[Author:George Jackson Fisher|Fisher, George Jackson]] (1825–1893)
* [[Author:Ivan Fisher|Fisher, Ivan]] (fl. 1940s)
* [[Author:Joseph Robert Fisher|Fisher, Joseph Robert]] (1855–1939)
* [[Author:Lillian Estelle Fisher|Fisher, Lillian Estelle]] (1891–1988)
* [[Author:Ludvík Fisher|Fisher, Ludvík]] (1880–1945)
* [[Author:Sydney George Fisher|Fisher, Sydney George]] (1856–1927)
* [[Author:William Arms Fisher|Fisher, William Arms]] (1861–1948)
* [[Author:William Richard Fisher|Fisher, William Richard]] (1824–1888)
* [[Author:Amos Kidder Fiske|Fiske, Amos Kidder]] (1842–1921)
* [[Author:Bradley Allen Fiske|Fiske, Bradley Allen]] (1854–1942)
* [[Author:John Fiske|Fiske, John]] (1842–1901)
* [[Author:Willard Fiske|Fiske, Daniel Willard]] (1831–1904)
* [[Author:Lorimer Fison|Fison, Lorimer]] (1832–1907)
* [[Author:Clyde Fitch|Fitch, Clyde]] (1865–1909)
* [[Author:Edward Arthur Fitch|Fitch, Edward Arthur]] (1854–1912)
* [[Author:Ralph Fitch|Fitch, Ralph]] (c. 1550 – 1611)
* [[Author:Joshua Girling Fitch|Fitch, Sir Joshua Girling]] (1824–1903)
* [[Author:Walter Hood Fitch|Fitch, Walter Hood]] (1817–1892)
* [[Author:John Fitchett|Fitchett, John]] (1776–1838)
* [[Author:Pavel Fitin|Fitin, Pavel]] (1907–1971)
* [[Author:William Henry Fitton|Fitton, William Henry]] (1780–1861)
* [[Author:Caroline Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, Caroline]] (1865–1911)
* [[Author:Clare Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, Clare]] (1831–1913)
* [[Author:Edward FitzGerald|FitzGerald, Edward]] (1809–1883)
* [[Author:Edward Mary Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, Edward Mary]] (1833–1907)
* '''[[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, F. Scott]]''' (1896–1940)
* [[Author:George Francis FitzGerald|FitzGerald, George Francis]] (1851–1901)
* [[Author:Geraldine Penrose Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, Geraldine Penrose]] (1846–1939)
* [[Author:John Donohoe FitzGerald|FitzGerald, John Donohoe]] (1848–1918)
* [[Author:Percy Hetherington Fitzgerald|Fitzgerald, Percy Hethrington]] (1843–1925)
* [[Author:Mr Fitzherbert|Fitzherbert, Mr.]]
* [[Author:Percy Keese Fitzhugh|Fitzhugh, Percy Keese]] (1876–1950)
* [[Author:Anne FitzMaurice|FitzMaurice, Anne]]
* [[Author:George Fitzmaurice|Fitzmaurice, George]] (1885/1887–1940)
* [[Author:James Fitzmaurice-Kelly|Fitzmaurice-Kelly, James]] (1858–1923)
* [[Author:Edmond George Fitzmaurice|Petty-Fitzmaurice, Edmond George]] (1846–1935)
* [[Author:Francis Willford Fitzpatrick|Fitzpatrick, Francis Willford]] (1863–1931)
* [[Author:William John FitzPatrick|FitzPatrick, William John]] (1830–1895)
* [[Author:Robert FitzRoy|FitzRoy, Robert]] (1805–1865)

==Fl==
* [[Author:Horace|'''Flaccus, Quintus Horatius''']] (65 BCE–8 BCE)
* [[Author:Pauline Bancroft Flach|Flach, Pauline Bancroft]] (1869–1966)
* [[Author:Azariah Cutting Flagg|Flagg, Azariah Cutting]] (1790–1873)
* [[Author:Nicolas Flamel|Flamel, Nicolas]] (1330–1418)
* [[Author:Camille Flammarion|Flammarion, Camille]] (1842–1925)
* [[Author:Roderick J. Flanagan|Flanagan, Roderick J.]] (1828–1862)
* [[Author:Gustave Flaubert|Flaubert, Gustave]] (1821–1880)
* [[Author:John Flavel|Flavel, John]] (1627–1691)
* [[Author:John Flaxman|Flaxman, John]] (1755–1826)
* [[Author:Esprit Fléchier|Fléchier, Esprit]] (1632–1710)
* [[Author:James Elroy Flecker|Flecker, James Elroy]] (1884–1915)
* [[Author:James Van Fleet|van Fleet, James]] (1892–1992)
* [[Author:John Faithfull Fleet|Fleet, John Faithfull]] (1847–1917)
* [[Author:Anna Fleming|Fleming, Anna]] (fl. 1840s)
* [[Author:Charles James Nicol Fleming|Fleming, Charles James Nicol]] (1868–1948)
* [[Author:John Ambrose Fleming|Fleming, John Ambrose]] (1849–1945)
* [[Author:May Agnes Fleming|Fleming, May Agnes]] (1840–1880)
* [[Author:Paul Fleming|Fleming, Paul]] (1609–1640)
* [[Author:William Henry Fleming|Fleming, William H.]] (1856–1944)
* [[Author:Walter Lynwood Fleming|Fleming, Walter Lynwood]] (1874–1932)
* [[Author:William Westropp Flemyng|Flemyng, William Westropp]] (1850–1921)
* [[Author:Alfred Ewen Fletcher|Fletcher, Alfred Ewen]] (1841–1915)
* [[Author:Andrew Fletcher|Fletcher, Andrew]] (1653–1716)
* [[Author:John Fletcher|Fletcher, John]] (1579–1625)
* [[Author:Lazarus Fletcher|Fletcher, Lazarus]] (1854–1921)
* [[Author:William Fletcher|Fletcher, William]] (1810–1900)
* [[Author:William George Dimock Fletcher|Fletcher, William George Dimock]] (1851–1935)
* [[Author:William Younger Fletcher|Fletcher, William Younger]] (1830–1913)
* [[Author:John Smith Flett|Flett, Sir John Smith]] (1869–1947)
* [[Author:Matthew Flinders|Flinders, Matthew]] (1774–1814)
* [[Author:Homer Eon Flint|Flint, Homer Eon]] (1888–1924)
* [[Author:Robert Flint|Flint, Robert]] (1838–1910)
* [[Author:Daniel John Flood|Flood, Daniel John]] (1903–1994)
* [[Author:John Florio|Florio, John]] (1553–1625)
* [[Author:Karl Adolf Florenz|Florenz, Karl Adolf]] (1865–1939)
* [[Author:William Flower|Flower, William]] (1685–1746)
* [[Author:William Henry Flower|Flower, Sir William Henry]] (1831–1899)
* [[Author:Juanita Helm Floyd|Floyd, Juanita Helm]] (1880–1979)
* [[Author:Elizabeth Gurley Flynn|Flynn, Elizabeth Gurley]] (1890–1964))

==Fo==
* [[Author:Wilhelm Olbers Focke|Focke, Wilhelm Olbers]] (1834–1922)
* [[Author:Antonio Fogazzaro|Fogazzaro, Antonio]] (1842–1911)
* [[Author:Emil Folda|Folda, Emil]] (1866–1935)
* [[Author:Olga Folda Stepanek|Folda Stepanek, Olga]] (1906–1998)
* [[Author:George Folsom|Folsom, George]] (1802–1869)
* [[Author:Anthony Folta|Folta, Anthony]] (1884–1937)
* [[Author:Albany de Grenier Fonblanque|Fonblanque, Albany de Grenier]] (1829–1924)
* [[Author:Albany William Fonblanque|Fonblanque, Albany William]] (1793–1872)
* [[Author:Clarence Albert Fonerden|Fonerden, Clarence Albert]] (1841–1920)
* [[Author:John Fontaine|Fontaine, John]] (1693–1767)
* [[Author:Pierre Desfontaines|Desfontaines, Pierre]] (1685–1745)
* [[Author:Carlo Fontana|Fontana, Carlo]] (1638–1714)
* [[Author:Domenico Fontana|Fontana, Domenico]] (1543–1607)
* [[Author:Arthur De Wint Foote|Foote, Arthur De Wint]] (1849–1933)
* [[Author:Elisha Foote|Foote, Elisha]] (1809–1883)
* [[Author:Samuel Foote|Foote, Samuel]] (1720–1777)
* [[Author:Mary Hannay Foott|Foott, Mary Hannay]] (1846–1918)
* [[Author:Alexander Penrose Forbes|Forbes, Alexander Penrose]] (1817–1875)
* [[Author:Annabella Keith Forbes|Forbes, Annabella Keith]] (1855–1922)
* [[Author:Archibald Forbes|Forbes, Archibald]] (1838–1900)
* [[Author:Duncan Forbes|Forbes, Duncan]] (1798–1868)
* [[Author:Edward Forbes|Forbes, Edward]] (1815–1854)
* [[Author:George Forbes|Forbes, George]] (1849–1936)
* [[Author:Henry Ogg Forbes|Forbes, Henry Ogg]] (1851–1932)
* [[Author:James David Forbes|Forbes, James David]] (1809–1868)
* [[Author:John Forbes (1787-1861)|John Forbes]] (1787–1861)
* [[Author:Nevill Forbes|Forbes, Nevill]] (1883–1929)
* [[Author:Patrick Forbes|Forbes, Patrick]] (1776–1847)
* [[Author:Charles Ford|Ford, Charles]]
* [[Author:Ford Madox Ford|Ford, Ford Madox]] (1873–1939)
* [[Author:Gerald Ford|Ford, Jr., Gerald Rudolph]] (1913–2006)
* [[Author:Henry Ford|Ford, Henry]] (1863–1947)
* [[Author:Isabella Ormston Ford|Ford, Isabella Ormston]] (1855–1924)
* [[Author:Tirey_Lafayette_Ford | Tirey Lafayette Ford]] (1857–1928)
* [[Author:Henry Justice Ford|Ford, Henry Justice]] (1860–1941)
* [[Author:Thomas Ford (1800-1850)|Ford, Thomas]] (1800–1850)
* [[Author:Walter Armitage Justice Ford|Ford, Walter Armitage Justice]] (1861–1938)
* [[Author:William Justice Ford|Ford, William Justice]] (1853–1904)
* [[Author:Auguste-Henri Forel|Forel, Auguste-Henri]] (1848–1931)
* [[Author:François-Alphonse Forel|Forel, François-Alphonse]] (1841–1912)
* [[Author:Evelyn Forest|Forest, Evelyn]] (''fl''. 1860s–1870s)
* [[Author:French Forrest|Forrest, French]] (1796–1866)
* [[Author:Herbert Edward Forrest|Forrest, Herbert Edward]] (1858–1942)
* [[Author:John Forrest|Forrest, John]] (1847–1918)
* [[Author:Peter Forsskål|Forsskål, Peter]] (1732–1763)
* [[Author:Ernst Förstemann|Förstemann, Ernst]] (1822–1906)
* [[Author:Edward Morgan Forster|Forster, Edward Morgan]] (1879–1970)
* [[Author:Georg Forster|Forster, Georg]] (1754–1794)
* [[Author:Johann Reinhold Forster|Forster, Johann Reinhold]] (1729–1798)
* [[Author:John Forster (historian)|Forster, John]] (1812–1876)
* [[Author:Andrew Russell Forsyth|Forsyth, Andrew Russell]] (1858–1942)
* [[Author:Joseph Forsyth|Forsyth, Joseph]] (1763–1815)
* [[Author:William Forsyth|Forsyth, William]] (1812–1899)
* [[Author:Charles Fort|Fort, Charles]] (1874–1932)
* [[Author:Robert le Fort|Fort, Robert le]] (820–866)
* [[Author:Abe Fortas|Fortas, Abe]] (1910–1982)
* [[Author:Adrian Fortescue|Fortescue, Adrian]] (1874–1923)
* [[Author:George Knottesford Fortescue|Fortescue, George Knottesford]] (1847–1912)
* [[Author:William Fortescue|Fortescue, William]] (1687–1749)
* [[Author:Charles Fortescue-Brickdale|Fortescue-Brickdale, Sir Charles]] (1857–1944)
* [[Author:James Fortescue-Flannery|Fortescue-Flannery, Sir James]] (1851–1943)
* [[Author:Robert Fortune|Fortune, Robert]] (1812–1880)
* [[Author:Timothy Thomas Fortune|Fortune, Timothy Thomas]] (1856–1928)
* [[Author:Cyrus David Foss|Foss, Cyrus David]] (1834–1910)
* [[Author:John Foster|Foster, John]] (1770–1843)
* [[Author:John Watson Foster|Foster, John W.]] (1836–1917)
* [[Author:Joseph Foster|Foster, Joseph]] (1844–1905)
* [[Author:Michael Foster|Foster, Sir Michael]] (1836–1907)
* [[Author:Murphy James Foster, Jr.|Foster, Mike]] (b. 1930)
* [[Author:Randolph Sinks Foster|Foster, Randolph Sinks]] (1820–1903)
* [[Author:William Foster|Foster, Sir William]] (1863–1951)
* [[Author:William Eaton Foster|Foster, William Eaton]] (1851–1930)
* [[Author:Thomas Campbell Foster|Foster, Thomas]] (1813–1882)
* [[Author:William Trufant Foster|Foster, William Trufant]] (1879–1950)
* [[Author:John Milner Fothergill|Fothergill, John Milner]] (1841–1888)
* [[Author:William Edward Fothergill|Fothergill, William Edward]] (1865–1926)
* [[Author:Alfred Charles Auguste Foucher|Foucher, Alfred Charles Auguste]] (1865–1952)
* [[Author:Alfred Jules Émile Fouillée|Fouillée, Alfred Jules Émile]] (1838–1912)
* [[Author:Andrew Fountaine|Fountaine, Andrew]] (1676–1753)
* [[Author:Caroline de la Motte Fouqué|Fouqué, Caroline de la Motte]] (1773–1831)
* [[Author:Friedrich Heinrich Karl de la Motte Fouqué|Fouqué, Friedrich Heinrich Karl de la Motte]] (1777–1843)
* [[Author:the Four Bears|The Four Bears]] (1795–1837)
* [[Author:Jean Baptiste Joseph Fourier|Fourier, Jean Baptiste Joseph]] (1768–1830)
* [[Author:Thomas Welbank Fowle|Fowle, Thomas Welbank]] (1835–1903)
* [[Author:William Bentley Fowle|Fowle, William Bentley]] (1795–1865)
* [[Author:Charles Fowler|Fowler, Charles]] (1792–1867)
* [[Author:Charles Henry Fowler|Fowler, Charles Henry]] (1837–1908)
* [[Author:Daniel Fowler|Fowler, Daniel]] (1810–1894)
* [[Author:Ellen Thorneycroft Fowler|Fowler, Ellen Thorneycroft]] (1860–1929)
* [[Author:Harriet Putnam Fowler|Fowler, Harriet Putnam]] (1842–1901)
* [[Author:Henry Watson Fowler|Fowler, Henry Watson]] (1858–1933)
* [[Author:Reginald Fowler|Fowler, Reginald]] (1820–1894)
* [[Author:Thomas Fowler|Fowler, Thomas]] (1832–1904)
* [[Author:William Warde Fowler|Fowler, William Warde]] (1847–1921)
* [[Author:William Weekes Fowler|Fowler, William Weekes]] (1849–1923)
* [[Author:William Fownes|Fownes, William]] (?–1735)
* [[Author:Charles James Fox|Fox, Charles James]] (1749–1806)
* [[Author:George Fox|Fox, George]] (1624–1691)
* [[Author:George Henry Fox|Fox, George Henry]] (1846–1937)
* [[Author:James J. Fox|Fox, James J.]] (1852–1923)
* [[Author:Peter Fox André|Fox, Peter]] (1831–''c.'' 1869)
* [[Author:Thomas William Fox|Fox, Thomas William]] (?–1917)
* [[Author:William Storrs Fox|Fox, William Storrs]] (1859–1951)
* [[Author:Arthur Charles Fox-Davies|Fox-Davies, Arthur Charles ]] (1871–1928)
* [[Author:John Foxe|Foxe, John]] (1517–1587)
* [[Author:St George Lane Fox-Pitt|Fox-Pitt, St George Lane]] (1856–1932)

==Fr==
* [[Author:Louis C. Fraina|Fraina, Louis C.]] (1892–1953)
* [[Author:James Everett Frame|Frame, James Everett]] (1868–1956)
* [[Author:Robert Edward Francillon|Francillon, Robert Edward]] (1841–1919)
* [[Author:David Rowland Francis|Francis, David Rowland]] (1850–1927)
* [[Author:John Collins Francis|Francis, John Collins]] (1838–1916)
* [[Author:John Wakefield Francis|Francis, John Wakefield]] (1789–1861)
* [[Author:Francis of Assisi|Francis of Assisi]] (1181–1226)
* [[Author:Francis|'''Francis, Pope''']] (1936–2025)
* [[Author:Vida Hunt Francis|Francis, Vida Hunt]] (1870–1957)
* [[Author:Johann Franck|Franck, Johann]] (1618–1677)
* [[Author:Thomas Francklin|Francklin, Thomas]] (1724–1784)
* [[Author:Fred Francl|Francl, Fred]] (fl. 1928)
* [[Author:Joseph Francl|Francl, Joseph]] (1824–1875)
* [[Author:Adolf Frank|Frank, Adolf]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:Barney Frank|Frank, Barney]] (1940–)
* [[Author:Tenney Frank|Frank, Tenney]] (1876–1939)
* [[Author:John Frankenstein|Frankenstein, John]] (1816–1881)
* [[Author:Felix Frankfurter|Frankfurter, Felix]] (1882–1965)
* [[Author:Oskar Frankfurter|Frankfurter, Oskar]] (1852–1922)
* [[Author:Benjamin Franklin|Franklin, Benjamin]] (1706–1790)
* [[Author:John Franklin|Franklin, John]] (1786–1847)
* [[Author:Miles Franklin|Franklin, Stella Maria Sarah Miles]] (1879–1954)
* [[Author:Horace George Franks|Franks, Horace George]] (1894–1987)
* [[Author:Henri Frantz|Frantz, Henri]]
* [[Author:Jeff Franzmann|Franzmann, Jeff]] (1973–present)
* [[Author:Alexander Campbell Fraser|Fraser, Alexander Campbell]] (1819–1914)
* [[Author:Alexander Charles Fraser|Fraser, Alexander Charles]] (1815–1882)
* [[Author:Andrew Henderson Leith Fraser|Fraser, Andrew Henderson Leith]] (1848–1919)
* [[Author:Charles Fraser (1788-1831)|Fraser, Charles]] (1788–1831)
* [[Author:Charles Fraser (1823-1886)|Fraser, Charles]] (1823–1886)
* [[Author:John Fraser|Fraser, John]]
* [[Author:Mary Crawford Fraser|Fraser, Mary Crawford]] (1851–1922)
* [[Author:William Fraser|Fraser, William]] (1810–1872)
* [[Author:James Frazer|Frazer, James]] (1854–1941)
* [[Author:James George Frazer|Frazer, James George]] (1854–1941)
* [[Author:William Fream|Fream, William]] (1854–1906)
* [[Author:Walter Francis Frear|Frear, Walter Francis]] (1863–1948)
* [[Author:Harold Frederic|Frederic, Harold]] (1856–1898)
* [[Author:Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor|Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor]] (1194–1250)
* [[Author:Alfred Fredericks|Fredericks, Alfred]] (1853–1926)
* [[Author:Benjamin Freedman|Freedman, Benjamin]] (1890–1984)
* [[Author:David Freedman|Freedman, David]] (1898–1936)
* [[Author:Edward Augustus Freeman|Freeman, Edward Augustus]] (1823–1892)
* [[Author:Frank Nugent Freeman|Freeman, Frank Nugent]] (1880–1961)
* [[Author:Thomas Freeman|Freeman, Thomas]] (c. 1590 – 1630)
* [[Author:John Frederick Freeman|Freeman, John Frederick]] (1880–1929)
* [[Author:Mary Eleanor Wilkins Freeman|Freeman, Mary Eleanor Wilkins]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:R. Austin Freeman|Freeman, Richard Austin]] (1862–1943)
* [[Author:William George Freeman|Freeman, William George]] (1874–?)
* [[Author:Algernon Bertram Freeman-Mitford|Freeman-Mitford, Algernon Bertram]] (1837–1916)
* [[Author:John Henry Freese|Freese, John Henry]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:Gottlob Frege|Frege, Gottlob]] (1848–1925)
* [[Author:Hermann Ferdinand Freiligrath|Freiligrath, Hermann Ferdinand]] (1810–1876)
* [[Author:Robert Freind|Freind, Robert]] (1667–1751)
* [[Author:Charles Fremantle|Fremantle, Charles Howe]] (1800–1869)
* [[Author:Sydney Fremantle|Fremantle, Sydney Robert]] (1867–1958)
* [[Author:William Henry Fremantle|Fremantle, William Henry]] (1831–1916)
* [[Author:John French|French, John]] (1616–1657)
* [[Author:Justus Clement French|French, Justus Clement]] (1839–?)
* [[Author:Samuel Bassett French|French, Samuel Bassett]] (1820–1889)
* [[Author:William Percy French|French, William Percy]] (1854–1920)
* [[Author:Philip Morin Freneau|Freneau, Philip Morin]] (1752–1832)
* [[Author:Bernard Frénicle de Bessy|Frénicle de Bessy, Bernard]] (c. 1605–1675)
* [[Author:Augusta Frederica Frere|Frere, Augusta Frederica]] (1824–1888)
* [[Author:Henry Bartle Frere|Frere, Henry Bartle]] (1815–1884)
* [[Author:Mary Eliza Isabella Frere|Frere, Mary]] (1845–1911)
* [[Author:Douglas William Freshfield|Freshfield, Douglas William]] (1845–1934)
* [[Author:Sigmund Freud|Freud, Sigmund]] (1856–1939)
* [[Author:Louis Claude de Saulces de Freycinet|de Freycinet, Louis Claude de Saulces]] (1779–1842)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Vrchlický|Frida, Emil Jakub]] (1853–1912)
* [[Author:Heinrich Friedjung|Friedjung, Heinrich]] (1851–1920)
* [[Author:Michael Friedländer|Friedländer, Michael]] (1833–1910)
* [[Author:Friedrich Maria Albrecht Wilhelm Karl of Austria|Friedrich Maria Albrecht Wilhelm Karl of Austria]] (1856–1936)
* [[Author:Henry Friendly|Friendly, Henry]] (1903–1986)
* [[Author:James Hain Friswell|Friswell, James Hain]] (1825–1878)
* [[Author:Alfred Fritchey|Fritchey, Alfred]] (c. 1928)
* [[Author:Henry Frith|Frith, Henry]] (1840–1910)
* [[Author:Charles Froebel|Froebel, Charles]] (1836–1886)
* [[Author:Sextus Julius Frontinus|Frontinus, Sextus Julius]] (40–103)
* [[Author:Andrew Hollingworth Frost|Frost, Andrew Hollingworth]] (1819–1907)
* [[Author:E. Allen Frost|Frost, E. Allen]] (1871–1963)
* [[Author:John Frost (1800-1859)|Frost, John]] (1800–1859)
* [[Author:Robert Frost|Frost, Robert]] (1874–1963)
* [[Author:Octavius Brooks Frothingham|Frothingham, Octavius Brooks]] (1822–1895)
* [[Author:Richard Hurrell Froude|Froude, Richard Hurrell]] (1803–1836)
* [[Author:Frumentius|Frumentius]] (4th Century–383) 
* [[Author:Caroline Fry|Fry, Caroline]] (1787–1846)
* [[Author:Edward Fry|Fry, Sir Edward]] (1827–1918)
* [[Author:Emma Sheridan Fry|Fry, Emma Sheridan]] (1864–1936)

==Fu==
* [[Author:Leonhart Fuchs|Fuchs, Leonhart]] (1501–1566)
* [[Author:Louis Agassiz Fuertes|Fuertes, Louis Agassiz]] (1874–1927)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Akisuke|Fujiwara no Akisuke]] (1090–1155)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Asatada|Fujiwara no Asatada]] (910–967)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Atsutada|Fujiwara no Atsutada]] (906–943)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Atsuyori|Fujiwara no Atsuyori]] (1090–1182)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Ietaka|Fujiwara no Ietaka]] (1158–1237)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Kanesuke|Fujiwara no Kanesuke]] (877–933)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Kintō|Fujiwara no Kintō]] (966–1041)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Kiyosuke|Fujiwara no Kiyosuke]] (1104–1177)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Koretada|Fujiwara no Koretada]] (924–972)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Michimasa|Fujiwara no Michimasa]] (994–1052)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Michinobu|Fujiwara no Michinobu]] (972–994)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Michitsuna no Haha|Fujiwara no Michitsuna no Haha]] (936–995)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Mototoshi|Fujiwara no Mototoshi]] (1060–1142)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Okikaze|Fujiwara no Okikaze]] (9th–10th cent.)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Sadakata|Fujiwara no Sadakata]] (873–932)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Sadanaga|Fujiwara no Sadanaga]] (1139–12002)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Sadayori|Fujiwara no Sadayori]] (995–1045)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Sanekata|Fujiwara no Sanekata]] (10th cent.)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Shunzei|Fujiwara no Shunzei]] (1114–1204)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Tadahira|Fujiwara no Tadahira]] (880–949)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Tadamichi|Fujiwara no Tadamichi]] (1097–1164)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Teika|Fujiwara no Teika]] (1162–1241)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Toshiyuki|Fujiwara no Toshiyuki]] (?–907)
* [[Author:Fujiwara no Yoshitaka|Fujiwara no Yoshitaka]] (954–974)
* [[Author:René Fülöp-Miller|Fülöp-Miller, René]] (1891–1963)
* [[Author:Fun'ya no Asayasu|Fun'ya no Asayasu]] (9th cent.)
* [[Author:Fun'ya no Yasuhide|Fun'ya no Yasuhide]] (9th cent.)
* [[Author:Florence Anna Fulcher|Fulcher, Flora Anna]] (1861–1928)
* [[Author:James Franklin Fuller|Fuller, James Franklin]] (1835–1924)
* [[Author:Margaret Fuller|Fuller, Margaret]] (1810–1850)
* [[Author:Melvin Fuller|Fuller, Melville Weston]] (1833–1910)
* [[Author:Thomas Fuller|Fuller, Thomas]] (1608–1661)
* [[Author:Georgiana Fullerton|Fullerton, Georgiana]] (1812–1885)
* [[Author:Maurice Garland Fulton|Fulton, Maurice Garland]] (1877–1955)
* [[Author:Robert Burwell Fulton|Fulton, Robert Burwell]] (1849–1919)
* [[Author:Douglas Furber|Furber, Douglas]] (1885–1961)
* [[Author:Henry Furneaux|Furneaux, Henry]] (1829–1900)
* [[Author:John Furniss|Furniss, John]] (1809–1865)
* [[Author:Frederick James Furnivall|Furnivall, Frederick James]] (1825–1910)
* [[Author:Joseph Furphy|Furphy, Joseph]] (1843–1912)
* [[Author:Adolf Furtwängler|Furtwängler, Adolf]] (1853–1907)
* [[Author:Henry Fuseli|Fuseli, Henry]] (1741–1825)
* [[Author:Shimei Futabatei|Futabatei, Shimei]] (1864–1909)

==Fy==
* [[Author:Loleta Dawson Fyan|Fyan, Loleta Dawson]] (1894–1990)
* [[Author:H. Hamilton Fyfe|Fyfe, Hamilton]] (1869–1951)
* [[Author:James Hamilton Fyfe|Fyfe, James Hamilton]] (1837–1880)
* [[Author:William Hamilton Fyfe|Fyfe, William Hamilton]] (1878–1965)
* [[Author:Charles Alan Fyffe|Fyffe, Charles Alan]] (1845–1892)</text>
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{{new texts/item|The Vicar of Wakefield|Oliver Goldsmith|1766}}
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{{new texts/item|Czecho-Slovak Student Life/Volume 18/Number 3/The Early Artists of Bohemia|display=The Early Artists of Bohemia|Zdeněk Fierlinger|1928}}
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{{new texts/item|Swords and Plowshares|Ernest Howard Crosby|1902}}
{{new texts/item|He Who Gets Slapped (Zilboorg 1949)|display=He Who Gets Slapped|Leonid Andreyev|translator=Gregory Zilboorg|1949}}
{{new texts/item|Special Measures Against Terrorism in Foreign Countries Act 2015|Parliament of Malaysia|2015|nowiki=yes}}
{{new texts/item|Fairy Tales, Now First Collected|Joseph Ritson|1831}}
{{new texts/item|A Child of the Sea and Life Among the Mormons|Elizabeth Whitney Williams|1905}}
{{new texts/item|The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist|Ben Jonson|1816|display=The Alchemist}}
{{new texts/item|School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002|[[Scottish Parliament]]|2002|nowiki=yes}}
{{new texts/item|The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|William Falconer (1732-1769)|1762|display=The Shipwreck}}
{{new texts/item|Sexual Offences against Children Act 2017|Parliament of Malaysia|2017|nowiki=yes}}
{{new texts/item|Recollections of Napoleon at St. Helena|Lucia Elizabeth Balcombe Abell|1844}}
{{new texts/item|Christmas tree (Cummings)|Edward Estlin Cummings|1928|display=Christmas tree}}
{{new texts/item|Children and Young Persons Act 1933|[[Portal:Parliament of the United Kingdom|Parliament of the United Kingdom]]|1933|nowiki=yes}}
{{new texts/item|Weird Tales/Volume 25/Issue 5/Arthur Jermyn|display=Arthur Jermyn|H. P. Lovecraft|{{smaller|1935 reprint of story first published in 1921}}}}
{{new texts/item|Poems (Ford)|display=Poems|Mary Anne McMullen Ford|1863}}
{{new texts/item|The North American Review/Volume 5/Issue 2/Revolution in Pernambuco|Uncredited|1817|display=Revolution in Pernambuco|nowiki=yes}}
{{new texts/item|Dead Men's Money|Joseph Smith Fletcher|1920}}
{{new texts/item|Boris Godunov (Hayes 1918)|display=Borís Godunóv|Alexander Pushkin|translator=Alfred Hayes|1918}}
{{new texts/item|Photoplay/Volume 36/Issue 2|display=Photoplay Magazine (Vol 36, No. 2)||editor=James R. Quirk|July 1929}}
{{new texts/item|Ashburton Borough Centenary|Beatrice Silverwood|1978}}
{{new texts/item|Xli Poems|Edward Estlin Cummings|1925}}
{{new texts/item|The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man|James Weldon Johnson|1912|edition={{media|type = spoken}}}}
{{new texts/item|Boarding Round|John Otis Barrows|1915}}
{{new texts/item|130 Days of Elon Musk|Elizabeth Ann Warren|2025|display=130 Days of Elon Musk}}
{{new texts/item|Poems (Helen Jenkins)|Helen Nancy Jerrard Jenkins|1888|display=Poems}}
{{new texts/item|Photoplay/Volume 36/Issue 2/Rosie Rolls Her Eyes|display=Rosie Rolls Her Eyes|Stewart Robertson|1929}}
{{new texts/item|Nine Years a Captive|John Gyles|editor=James Hannay|1875|display=Nine Years a Captive, or, John Gyles' Experience Among the Malicite Indians, from 1689 to 1698}}
{{new texts/item|The Argosy (1888-1920)/Volume 44/Number 4/The Curious Experience of Thomas Dunbar|display=The Curious Experience of Thomas Dunbar|G. M. Barrows|1904}}
{{new texts/item|Parerga|Edward Shepherd Creasy|1843}}
{{new texts/item|The Works of J. W. von Goethe/Volume 11/Goetz von Berlichingen|Johann Wolfgang von Goethe|1773|translator=Walter Scott|display=Goetz von Berlichingen}}
{{new texts/item|Dorothy Q, Together with a Ballad of the Boston Tea Party &amp; Grandmother's Story of Bunker Hill Battle|Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.|1893}}
{{new texts/item|The Maid's Tragedy Altered|Edmund Waller|1690}} 
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**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
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===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

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*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
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*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
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*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
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**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
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**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
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*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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===Historical===
{{smaller|Early discussion took place on the talk pages of the [[oldwikisource:Main Page|Main Page]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page|talk]]) and [[oldwikisource:Main Page:English|Main Page:English]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page:English|talk]]) on the original [[oldwikisource:|multilingual Wikisource]]. In September 2005, a warning was placed on [[Talk:Main Page]] that it was ''only'' for discussion of the [[Main Page]], and all general discussion was moved to [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]].}}
*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

===2006===
*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions:}}
*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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===Historical===
{{smaller|Early discussion took place on the talk pages of the [[oldwikisource:Main Page|Main Page]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page|talk]]) and [[oldwikisource:Main Page:English|Main Page:English]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page:English|talk]]) on the original [[oldwikisource:|multilingual Wikisource]]. In September 2005, a warning was placed on [[Talk:Main Page]] that it was ''only'' for discussion of the [[Main Page]], and all general discussion was moved to [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]].}}
*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

===2006===
*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
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**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
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*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
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**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

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*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

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*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
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**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions:}}
*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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{{smaller|Early discussion took place on the talk pages of the [[oldwikisource:Main Page|Main Page]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page|talk]]) and [[oldwikisource:Main Page:English|Main Page:English]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page:English|talk]]) on the original [[oldwikisource:|multilingual Wikisource]]. In September 2005, a warning was placed on [[Talk:Main Page]] that it was ''only'' for discussion of the [[Main Page]], and all general discussion was moved to [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]].}}
*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

===2006===
*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions:}}
*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
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{{smaller|Early discussion took place on the talk pages of the [[oldwikisource:Main Page|Main Page]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page|talk]]) and [[oldwikisource:Main Page:English|Main Page:English]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page:English|talk]]) on the original [[oldwikisource:|multilingual Wikisource]]. In September 2005, a warning was placed on [[Talk:Main Page]] that it was ''only'' for discussion of the [[Main Page]], and all general discussion was moved to [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]].}}
*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

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*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
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*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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===Historical===
{{smaller|Early discussion took place on the talk pages of the [[oldwikisource:Main Page|Main Page]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page|talk]]) and [[oldwikisource:Main Page:English|Main Page:English]] ([[oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page:English|talk]]) on the original [[oldwikisource:|multilingual Wikisource]]. In September 2005, a warning was placed on [[Talk:Main Page]] that it was ''only'' for discussion of the [[Main Page]], and all general discussion was moved to [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]].}}
*'''2003'''
**[[/2003-09|September]] (ps.wikisource)— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Wikisource is up'' {{!}} ''Pi'' {{!}} ''Scope'' {{!}} ''Name and subdomain''.}}
*'''2003-2005'''
**[[/2005-04|April]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Picture'' {{!}} ''Early discussions'' {{!}} ''Village pump'' {{!}} ''Sysops'' {{!}} ''Parenting Subpages To Projects?'' {{!}} ''Links to sister projects'' {{!}} ''Problem'' {{!}} ''Language Co-ordination'' {{!}} ''Language domains'' {{!}} ''Texts layout'' {{!}} ''&quot;Main Page&quot; or &quot;Zaglavnaya Stranitsa&quot;?'' {{!}} ''redirect to correct language'' {{!}} ''Log in problem'' {{!}} ''Changes to the main page'' {{!}} ''New languages: KU and TR'' {{!}} ''Main page'' {{!}} ''Fy'' {{!}} ''BM / Bambara'' {{!}} ''commons'' {{!}} ''Romanian text'' {{!}} ''Indonesian text'' {{!}} ''Nahuatl portal'' {{!}} ''Quehcua portal''.}}
**[[/2005-08|August]] ([[oldwikisource:talk:Main Page|multilingual Wikisource]])— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Name of the project'' {{!}} ''Aim of the project'' {{!}} ''Languages'' {{!}} ''Everything moved from ps.'' {{!}} ''Links ?'' {{!}} ''Domain names'' {{!}} ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Multi language front page'' {{!}} ''Category'' {{!}} ''Page Titles'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''Classical Texts'' {{!}} ''Top level category for treaties etc.'' {{!}} ''Link to Wikipedia Main Page'' {{!}} ''Please Note Translations'' {{!}} ''User names'' {{!}} ''Moved from my talk page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''New format'' {{!}} ''Consensus format of oldwikisource:Main Page:English'' {{!}} ''Updating'' {{!}} ''Licenses'' {{!}} ''Primary Categories Section'' {{!}} ''Mathematical Vs. Numerical'' {{!}} ''Public Patents?'' {{!}} ''Changes to layout'' {{!}} ''External linking ?'' {{!}} ''Logo suggestion'' {{!}} ''Index should be given top priority'' {{!}} ''Original works'' {{!}} ''Papal encyclicals'' {{!}} ''Legendary sagas'' {{!}} ''World Wide School'' {{!}} ''Moving &quot;Community&quot; section to the &quot;Community portal&quot; page?'' {{!}} ''Translations of Opera Libretti'' {{!}} ''25,000'' {{!}} ''Other languages logo''.}}
**[[/2005-09 (Main Page)|September]] ([[talk:Main Page]])— {{smaller|Discussion deleted in project move: ''Problem with movement of main page''| ''Important history''. Discussion on obsoleted English main page: ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links'' {{!}} ''Problem with movement of main page'' {{!}} ''Important history'' {{!}} ''Number of articles'' {{!}} ''broken links''. From Talk:Main Page/New: ''wikisource.png'' {{!}} ''Most of this page is in French'' {{!}} ''Some problems with code'' {{!}} ''Index of Titles A-Z'' {{!}} ''New Spanish Main Page'' {{!}} ''Math and source code''. ''From Talk:Main Page:Interlingua''.}}

===2005===
*[[/2005-09|September]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Problem with viewing Unicode'' {{!}} ''Important first discussions'' {{!}} ''red links'' {{!}} ''Help needed!'' {{!}} ''Glitches'' {{!}} ''Interlanguage Links?'' {{!}} ''Red Links'' {{!}} ''Author pages'' {{!}} ''System messages'' {{!}} ''Help needed on a new login'' {{!}} ''Important notice!'' {{!}} ''Template for Authors'' {{!}} ''How many pages?'' {{!}} ''Links to other subdomains'' {{!}} ''cy.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Can we ask for a new transfer?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Missing Author Pages'' {{!}} ''Wikiversity Vote'' {{!}} ''Main Page'' {{!}} ''Sidebar''.}}
*[[/2005-10|October]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Page lengths'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News Page (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''CSNbot'' {{!}} ''Copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Author Template'' {{!}} ''Middle English'' {{!}} ''Use new main page?'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Featured Pages'' {{!}} ''Legibility'' {{!}} ''Main page link'' {{!}} ''Gent up the ladder'' {{!}} ''Songs ?'' {{!}} ''Link to WS.org'' {{!}} ''Character insert'' {{!}} ''Is some of Wikisource superfluous since we already have Project Gutenberg?'' {{!}} ''Copyright problems'' {{!}} ''Wanted Pages'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground'' {{!}} ''Guidelines concerning an ancient text found in Internet'' {{!}} ''stable page protections'' {{!}} ''Copyrights of Translations''.}}
*[[/2005-12-15|December 15]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Why are some things even modifiable?'' {{!}} ''Problem with a Category'' {{!}} ''Suggestions for additional Wiki Resources'' {{!}} ''Illustrations?'' {{!}} ''Modern_Fiction:Authors page is confusing because it is incomplete'' {{!}} ''A useful tool'' {{!}} ''Breaking new ground #2'' {{!}} ''bot request'' {{!}} ''REDIRECT'' {{!}} ''Wikification?'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Other site-wide CSS'' {{!}} ''Unexplained mass changes to Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Suicide Notes'' {{!}} ''Caching of Special pages?'' {{!}} ''Massive Copyvio Problem'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Slow Server'' {{!}} ''Licence Ambiguity and What to do About It'' {{!}} ''Adding Annotations'' {{!}} ''Nuremburg Trials'' {{!}} ''Is T. S. Eliot's poetry in public domain ?'' {{!}} ''Does this come within the Wikisource submission rules ?'' {{!}} ''Need to get editors to do housekeeping'' {{!}} ''Orphaned Pages Problem'' {{!}} ''Debate on Authenticity'' {{!}} ''A proposal for music on Wikisource''.}}
*[[/2005-12-31|December 31]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''The Librarian Project'' {{!}} ''Category:English'' {{!}} ''Updated translations'' {{!}} ''fa.wikisource'' {{!}} ''Welcoming Committee?'' {{!}} ''Wikimedia Projects Template'' {{!}} ''Sidebar'' {{!}} ''Soufron on UN'' {{!}} ''Semi-protection'' {{!}} ''Portals'' {{!}} ''Talmud Copyright Issue'' {{!}} ''Invitation: Distributed Scanners'' {{!}} ''Frequently re-added copyrighted works'' {{!}} ''Namespaces for Author, Subject ...'' {{!}} ''Question about a reversion'' {{!}} ''Some Main Page cleanup.'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Wikistats'' {{!}} ''Discussions on topics concerning all Wikisources'' {{!}} ''Desperate Need for Categorization'' {{!}} ''GREETINGS'' {{!}} ''Useful resource for online texts'' {{!}} ''A proposal on multi WS'' {{!}} ''New Wikisource Project started on the writings of Samuel Smiles'' {{!}} ''FYI: I'm reviewing/revising templates'' {{!}} ''Sourceberg'' {{!}} ''Bug'' {{!}} ''New-domain shenanigans'' {{!}} ''I have just started my first Wiki-Source Article - The Ultimate Chance'' {{!}} ''Guidelines for adminship''.}}

===2006===
*[[/2006-01|January]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Authors who are still in copyright'' {{!}} ''Indexing of books on WS'' {{!}} ''Ugh, the mathematical tables debate.'' {{!}} ''New WikiProject: Bible dictionaries'' {{!}} ''Adminship documentation'' {{!}} ''Page numbering template'' {{!}} ''Color Scheme'' {{!}} ''Programming language names'' {{!}} ''Text Categorisation'' {{!}} ''Page integrity'' {{!}} ''Authors and the Go button'' {{!}} ''Internal Document Referencing'' {{!}} ''Verse with formatting'' {{!}} ''Questions on wiki code'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''New special character feature'' {{!}} ''New vote'' {{!}} ''Babel'' {{!}} ''Articles, project pages, and United Nations resolutions'' {{!}} ''bilingual extension''.}}
*[[/2006-02|February]]— {{smaller|Discussions: ''Please Vote link at the top all the pages'' {{!}} ''WikiProject IGD'' {{!}} ''Protecting Pages'' {{!}} ''Speedy deletion'' {{!}} ''Standardised article '' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Title format standard'' {{!}} ''Message for people coming to the wrong language domain'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Language Translation Project'' {{!}} ''Help needed to delete/change user name by the logged in user'' {{!}} ''Translation Project''.}}
*[[/2006-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Adding something to Mediawiki:Common.css'' (2 subtopics: &quot;.hiddenStructure&quot; and &quot;Pilaf's Live Preview&quot;) {{!}} ''Welcome template redesign'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''New pages link'' {{!}} ''Standardise indentation and linebreaks'' {{!}} ''Should templates be protected?'' {{!}} ''False copyright claims'' {{!}} ''Proposed non-English transwiki procedure'' {{!}} ''Transwiki deadline?'' {{!}} ''Copyright re-visited'' {{!}} ''Proposed style guide'' {{!}} ''Prettytable classes'' {{!}} ''Pathosbot'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News'' {{!}} ''ebooks'' {{!}} ''Activate relative links?'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Blocking policy'' {{!}} ''Proposed: Special template syntax for bot requests'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Letter Ayin Missing'' {{!}} ''New Logo contest on International WS'' (2 subtopics, 4 sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Community template guidelines''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''New logo vote'' {{!}} ''A_Quick_Survey_of_Languages'' {{!}} ''Author:Henry James'' {{!}} ''Insert tag for header template'' {{!}} ''Noncommercial licenses prohibited'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Talkpagetext'' {{!}} ''Special characters revisited'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Stats'' {{!}} ''New Logo Vote Starts on Wednesday'' {{!}} ''New template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Template:Chap and Template:Chap simple'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot; II'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{section}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for section linking'' {{!}} ''Il canto d'amore di J. Alfred Prufrock''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Questions|Questions]]— ''Free ? ... or not ?'' {{!}} ''NSW legislation'' {{!}} ''So after ye olde accident last time...'' {{!}} ''Pages marked as possible copyright violations'' {{!}} ''Monobooks'' {{!}} ''CC-NC license?'' {{!}} ''Song Lyrics'' {{!}} ''changing submitted article that appears locked'' {{!}} ''German diploma thesis in English language at de.'' {{!}} ''Unpublished manuscripts'' {{!}} ''Image missing'' {{!}} ''Annotated classic books?'' {{!}} ''Embarassingly simple problem'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Questions'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents'' {{!}} ''Links from Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Protection against automated spam links'' {{!}} ''What to do when a page is too large to be saved?'' {{!}} ''Astronomical tables on WS'' {{!}} ''Audio files'' {{!}} ''Vandals that arn't really Vandals???'' {{!}} ''US Code'' {{!}} ''Poems and haikus'' {{!}} ''Hungarian Wikisource main page link'' {{!}} ''Simple question'' {{!}} ''Wikification and Annotation'' {{!}} ''Include Sheet Music?'' {{!}} ''Two questions'' {{!}} ''Letters and Question'' {{!}} ''Odd search engine behavior?'' {{!}} ''Trouble uploading an image'' {{!}} ''12th Palestine National Council, Political Programme of 9 June 1974'' {{!}} ''Why won't you answer?'' {{!}} ''Titling of Pages'' {{!}} ''Lining up text without table'' {{!}} ''Strange hyperlink problem'' {{!}} ''Time''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-03#Other|Other]]— ''Vatican copyright'' {{!}} ''Small fonts'' {{!}} ''5000 digital texts'' {{!}} ''IRC link'' {{!}} ''Resources for copyright law'' {{!}} ''Ghana National Anthem'' {{!}} ''Verse numbers'' {{!}} ''Copyright debate at mailing list'' {{!}} ''Font size in TeX'' {{!}} ''Old English text?'' {{!}} ''Interview of Dick Cheney by Brit Hume'' {{!}} ''Annotated classical texts - please join in!'' {{!}} ''Article on source texts'' {{!}} ''Annotations again: Call_for_discussion_and_a_decision'' {{!}} ''Preview'' {{!}} ''No longer &quot;The free library&quot;'' {{!}} ''Fair use &amp; Speeches'' {{!}} ''Anonymous IP addresses leaving welcome messages''.}}
*[[/2006-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Language categories'' {{!}} ''Proposed new copyright policy'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Long SS's'' {{!}} ''Wikisource News logo'' (3 subtopics, 3 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Patrolled edits'' {{!}} ''Disable CSS hideifempty (accessibility problems)'' {{!}} ''MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning (special characters)'' {{!}} ''Author pagename guidelines (titles)'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Reorder parameters in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' {{!}} ''Rewrite [[MediaWiki:Revertpage]]'' {{!}} ''Convert templates to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource'' (2 subtopics, 2 subsubtopics) {{!}} ''Standardised process header'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Template for small-caps'' {{!}} ''Converting deprecated templates'' {{!}} ''Template:Footer'' {{!}} ''Over at Wikiquote'' {{!}} ''Patrolled edits enabled'' {{!}} ''&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sisterprojects}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; protected'' {{!}} ''Community coordination''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-04#Questions|Questions]]— ''Applause'' {{!}} ''Robert Service or Robert W Service'' {{!}} ''What can go on?'' {{!}} ''Our Common Future'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium button'' {{!}} ''Problem with url on infobox'' {{!}} ''Template:Title page'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006/04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Permissions'' {{!}} ''National Anthems'' {{!}} ''Signing the welcome template''.}}
*[[/2006-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Standardise the Bible'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''Form deletion notification'' {{!}} ''Adding template to protected works'' {{!}} ''Plan on phasing out reference data'' {{!}} ''Inclusion policy'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Administrator votes of confidence'' (4 subtopics, two sub-subtopics) {{!}} ''Automated archival'' {{!}} ''Main page redesign'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''Featured texts (poll)'' {{!}} ''Template:Publisher'' {{!}} ''Standardise the Quran'' {{!}} ''&quot;Author:&quot; and &quot;Portal:&quot;''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Checkuser permissions'' {{!}} ''Rejected'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-l mailing list'' {{!}} ''Bot flagging now a bureaucrat task'' {{!}} ''Public domain works in Canada and non-commercial licences'' {{!}} ''Community templates'' {{!}} ''Poem extension'' {{!}} ''Uncategorised templates'' {{!}} ''Featured text proposal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Questions|Questions]]— ''MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, copyright legalities'' {{!}} ''Historical Documents?'' {{!}} ''Anonymous Works?'' {{!}} ''Purging the database?'' {{!}} ''Brundtland Report'' {{!}} ''What are the copyright for these documents?'' {{!}} ''Copyright of Charter of the United Nations'' {{!}} ''Technical Question: &quot;Bookmarks&quot;'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Partial transclusion of text'' {{!}} ''On receiving permission to post a modern author's work'' {{!}} ''Talk pages &amp; editorial comment'' {{!}} ''Registration Page'' {{!}} ''Multiple editions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Non commercial texts'' {{!}} ''Anyone with a PDF extractor?'' {{!}} ''Should footnotes be converted to wiki format?'' {{!}} ''Audio'' {{!}} ''Would appreciate any help'' {{!}} ''Proposal: WikiMLConvert'' {{!}} ''Wikisource-I mailing list'' {{!}} ''EB1911 categorization scheme'' {{!}} ''Fair use and speeches'' {{!}} ''Qur'an integration'' {{!}} ''EB1911 orphan pages'' {{!}} ''Statistics: author categories versus templates'' {{!}} ''Vandal Fighting Tool'' {{!}} ''New TeX Font'' {{!}} ''Page Linking''.}}
*[[/2006-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Fundamentally rethink categories'' {{!}} ''Important change in the policy of de.wikisource'' {{!}} ''New: Wikisource Statistics!'' {{!}} ''Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy'' {{!}} ''Labeled section translusion'' {{!}} ''CommonsTicker'' {{!}} ''Proofreading in an organized fashion'' {{!}} ''Anglic languages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''CommonsTicker''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Questions|Questions]]— ''Footer for universal PD by failure to renew copyright, and more'' {{!}} ''Nursery Rhymes'' {{!}} ''New logo?'' {{!}} ''English translation of Cuban laws'' {{!}} ''Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living'' {{!}} ''Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Template for Current US Senators'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:Xenophon (bot)]]'' {{!}} ''[[b:Purpose]]'' {{!}} ''Featured material'' {{!}} ''How to deal with excerpts'' {{!}} ''United Nation texts'' {{!}} ''new wikisource logo''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Standardise eras'' {{!}} ''Unicode Table'' {{!}} ''Formula Referencing'' {{!}} ''[[Bursch Groggenburg]]'' {{!}} ''Captcha image'' {{!}} ''Test'' {{!}} ''Tim Selwyn'' {{!}} ''Movie scripts'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia Featured Articles''.}}
*[[/2006-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Bot policy'' {{!}} ''PoliticalBot'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Poetry]]'' {{!}} ''New author page template'' {{!}} ''Author page template'' (2 subtopics).}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Spam whitelist'' {{!}} ''Template:Unlinked'' {{!}} ''Script: WikilinkDeleteTable'' {{!}} ''poem extension'' {{!}} ''DjVu uploads enabled'' {{!}} ''Featured text and new main page'' {{!}} ''Important Copyright Clarification'' {{!}} ''Wikimania 2006'' {{!}} ''Automatic archivation'' {{!}} ''Author and Portal namespaces'' {{!}} ''Regex tool: Poem formatting''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Questions|Questions]]— ''Farsi page'' {{!}} ''Privacy Policy???'' {{!}} ''Question'' {{!}} ''Licensing templates'' {{!}} ''WikiSource'' {{!}} ''What Wikisource includes'' {{!}} ''Set operations?'' {{!}} ''[[Journey to the Center of the Earth]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''About myself'' {{!}} ''Deletion of reference material at Wikisource'' (1 subtopics) {{!}} ''Article/Page'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Corrección en &quot;pagina prima&quot;'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Another copyright question(s)'' {{!}} ''Two Seperate (but related) Copyright Questions'' {{!}} ''GOVT EDICTS NOT AUTOMACTICALLY ALLOWED'' {{!}} ''Image Policy'' {{!}} ''UK Acts of Parliament'' {{!}} ''Bible Update'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Indent templale'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Public Speeches'' {{!}} ''Importing pages'' {{!}} ''May I put a following ?'' {{!}} ''[[:Category:Babel|Babel]] category unused?'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks (technical question)'' {{!}} ''searching for a poem....am new to this site'' {{!}} ''Copyright of U. S. Senate study'' {{!}} ''Experiment'' {{!}} ''[[Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/1:Introduction|Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District et. al.]]'' {{!}} ''Oppose move of unicode articles'' {{!}} ''Transcriber's Notes'' {{!}} ''World Clock''.}}
*[[/2006-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Change [[MediaWiki:Nstab-main]]'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Article titles should probably be limited to Latin alphabets here'' {{!}} ''Giving [[User:Xenophon (bot)|Xenophon]] temporary admin priveleges''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''[[Special:Import]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Questions|Questions]]— ''[[:Category:Works by year]]'' (2 subtopics) {{!}} ''[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]]'' {{!}} ''Prayers'' {{!}} ''[[Book of Common Prayer]]'' {{!}} ''Portal Problem'' {{!}} ''Match icon vanished?'' {{!}} ''Runtime Error''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Spoken Wikisource'' {{!}} ''[[National Geographic Magazine]] and other periodicals'' {{!}} ''Question about posting historical military rosters.'' {{!}} ''To what do I link a scientific essay.'' {{!}} ''Update [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]'' {{!}} ''I didn't add an author correctly'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Bible (King James)/Psalms]]'' {{!}} ''Digitisation project'' {{!}} ''How/where to store data files in text format'' {{!}} ''Add new category - Forklore'' {{!}} ''public hearings'' {{!}} ''Searching wikisource'' {{!}} ''requested move'' {{!}} ''[[Template:PD-UN]] may not apply outside the USA'' {{!}} ''Missing Scriptorium Button''.}}
*[[/2006-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Administrator policy: Confidence threshold'' {{!}} ''Implement [[Wikisource:Image use policy]]'' (4 subtopics) {{!}} ''Temporarily hide oldWikisource siteNotice'' {{!}} ''Allow text in other languages with translation for comparison'' {{!}} ''Create Newspaper article subcategories''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Questions|Questions]]— ''Case Law''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''A better mousetrap'' {{!}} ''Confusion'' {{!}} ''[[Talk:Crime and Punishment/Translator's Preface]]'' {{!}} ''Business Valuation'' {{!}} ''Uploading unpublished documents'' {{!}} ''Herodotus'' {{!}} ''118 educational comics offered to Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Copyright question'' {{!}} ''Spoken Wikisource type thing?''.}}
*[[/2006-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Proposals|Proposals]]— ''Converting Major Works to .pdf'' {{!}} ''Using Stable Versions to maintain Text Integrity'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Tweak standardised header'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot task bazaar'' {{!}} ''Remove [[:Category:Authors]] from {{[[Template:author|author]]}}''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Announcements|Announcements]]— ''Side by side image view for proofreading'' {{!}} ''New author page format'' {{!}} ''Vote for Bug 7355''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Questions|Questions]]— ''&quot;Page&quot; namespace'' {{!}} ''NSRW images'' {{!}} ''Vandalism'' {{!}} ''Absolute exactness, or cleanup of material?'' {{!}} ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' {{!}} ''Adding a count next to categories.'' {{!}} ''Linux From Scratch'' {{!}} ''Page deletion''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]— ''Royal Society Journals free only until December'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Help needed''.}}
*[[/2006-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''{{[[Template:Translator?|Translator?]]}}'' {{!}} ''Bot account: YannBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Bot account: DamonBot'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Bot account: TalBot'' (1 subtopic) |''Change the policy for inactive administrators'' {{!}} ''Unenforceable copyright'' {{!}} ''Extend edit toolbar''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Crimen Solliciatonis'' {{!}} ''[[The Comic History of Rome]]'' {{!}} ''monobook.js file &amp; author page'' {{!}} ''Political agreements'' {{!}} ''Wishlist'' {{!}} ''Pagination'' {{!}} ''Proofreading works without a source specified'' {{!}} ''What exactly does Wikisource publish?'' {{!}} ''String Figures and How To Make Them'' {{!}} ''Appropriateness?'' {{!}} ''Russian Stuff'' {{!}} ''Rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''You know what I'd love?'' {{!}} ''Page progress template'' {{!}} ''Suicide note licencing'' {{!}} ''What is the best method of displaying quotations within Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''For hosting documents not accepted here'' {{!}} ''Text integrity and author intended changes'' {{!}} ''Category:En Wikisource book in the Commons'' {{!}} ''Open Shakespeare'' {{!}} ''TIFF files on [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons]]'' {{!}} ''DNA mutation (cause)'' {{!}} ''Wik Bullies, Thugs and Ferals''.}}
*[[/2006-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Automated deletion of old soft redirects: script available'' {{!}} ''United Nations resolutions found to be in the public domain'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code/Title 17|Title 17, United States Code]] now uploaded'' {{!}} ''Czech Wikisource has 1000 pages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes/new draft]]'' {{!}} ''Orphan Works'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion'' {{!}} ''Font classes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Questions|Questions]]: ''Guam Laws'' (3 subtopics) {{!}} ''British and Canadian laws'' {{!}} ''CC 2.0 License'' (1 subtopic) {{!}} ''Transwikiable book on Wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Vandal at work''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2006-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''New pages by anon. users'' {{!}} ''States without copyright relations with the United States'' {{!}} ''Question about a possible Volapük project'' {{!}} ''Periodicals''.}}

===2007===
*[[/2007-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''IRC stalk words'' {{!}} ''American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Featured text candidates need input''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''DynamicPageList'' {{!}} ''Categorization help page'' {{!}} ''[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]'' {{!}} ''Authors by date''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Questions|Questions]]: ''Server time'' {{!}} ''Download the content'' {{!}} ''FOIA documents'' {{!}} ''What exactly should I submit here...?'' {{!}} ''Category for user translations?'' {{!}} ''UK legislation'' {{!}} ''Translations'' {{!}} ''After adding text'' {{!}} ''Bot request'' {{!}} ''[[Iraq Study Group Report]] pgs 1-57'' {{!}} ''League of Nations Documents'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Portal (multilingual)'' {{!}} ''[[Help:Split texts]]'' {{!}} ''+ tab'' {{!}} ''Question regarding math articles'' {{!}} ''Templates'' {{!}} ''Wikisource Navigation System'' {{!}} ''European Union Documents'' {{!}} ''Works with Page Scans'' {{!}} ''Guttenberg Project'' {{!}} ''What is a peer-reviewed forum'' {{!}} ''Untagged images linked from [[History of Edmeston, New York]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Wanted! Project ideas for possible grant'' {{!}} ''Spam bot page'' {{!}} ''One of those days'' {{!}} ''Link to next chapter should be at bottom!'' {{!}} ''Template for page breaks'' {{!}} ''A possible correction'' {{!}} ''Official lyrics of Advance Australia Fair are copyrighted''.}}
*[[/2007-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Copyright licensing help'' {{!}} ''Diary of Samuel Pepys is added!'' {{!}} ''[[United States Code]]'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Licensing form'' {{!}} ''New password restrictions''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Collaboration of the Week'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Text quality]] images'' {{!}} ''Overhaul author template'' {{!}} ''New copyright policy'' {{!}} ''Add PD-old-60'' {{!}} ''Categorize subpages''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Speeches'' {{!}} ''Max Stirner's The Ego and Its Own'' {{!}} ''[[Standard Industrial Classification Manual 1987]]'' {{!}} ''A project toddling'' {{!}} ''Wikipedia on BBC Radio 4 this morning'' {{!}} ''Help implementing new header format'' {{!}} ''How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?'' {{!}} ''Non-derivative works'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''A request for an English version of the Spring and Autum Annals''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-04#Questions|Questions]]: ''Can I make my book available on Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Automated upload of Catholic Encyclopedia'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''Formats'' {{!}} ''Open Source Material'' {{!}} ''Adding content'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''[[commons:Category:Jan Kleczyński - Chopin's Greater Works]]'' {{!}} ''How to mark that pictures are not included'' {{!}} ''Why are these so freely editable?'' {{!}} ''Greek Alphabet'' {{!}} ''Is a list of Nepal postal codes appropriate here?'' {{!}} ''[[The New Illustrated Universal Reference Book]]'' {{!}} ''More Fun &amp; Games around the Copyright Table'' {{!}} ''Category completeness'' {{!}} ''Halsbury's Laws of England'' {{!}} ''Downloading content'' {{!}} ''Paragraph breaks'' {{!}} ''The War of the Worlds'' {{!}} ''Spoken works and LibriVox'' {{!}} ''Formating- in relation to The Elements of Euclid.'' {{!}} ''Public domain materials with limited fair use items'' {{!}} ''Periodicals and subpages'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Story of the Day]]'' {{!}} ''Google Books / Print - Public Domain books...'' {{!}} ''Authour/Title Request?'' {{!}} ''Why wiki?'' {{!}} ''A useful device'' {{!}} ''Moscow agreement'' {{!}} ''Request for Help with Non-English Texts'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg footnotes'' {{!}} ''Page References'' {{!}} ''A Beautiful Prayer'' {{!}} ''Poetry'' {{!}} ''TI-BASIC Programming Code'' {{!}} ''Speech Copyright Question'' {{!}} ''Alphabetized author listings?'' {{!}} ''Letter from a Guantanamo captive? Appropriate use of wikisource?'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''original autographs'' {{!}} ''Illustrated works and layout'' {{!}} ''Didactic texts: here or wikibooks?'' {{!}} ''Are these Licenses compatible?'' {{!}} ''anchors without wikiheadings?'' {{!}} ''The Tale of Kieu''.}}
*[[/2007-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Petition to claim the rule of the shorter term'' {{!}} ''Author template changes''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot flag for [[User:EagleBot|EagleBot]]'' {{!}} ''Living people category'' {{!}} ''Three JavaScript Tools'' (3 subsections) {{!}} ''CotW on Scriptorium''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''More copyright complexities'' (4 subsections) {{!}} ''Call to French-to-English translators'' {{!}} ''RDF + Wikisource + Zotero'' {{!}} ''PD-old non-us... I'm confused''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-06#Questions|Questions]]: ''Just checking, testimony before congress, PD?'' {{!}} ''Scanned TIFs of an old work'' {{!}} ''USACMH Documents...'' {{!}} ''Please vote on Commons for #3'' {{!}} ''[[Author:John Keats]]'' {{!}} ''Plagiarized Wikipedia article for inclusion in Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Wikiproject Policy'' {{!}} ''Fiction Link'' {{!}} ''poetry translation question'' {{!}} ''Questions about categorizing submissions'' {{!}} ''Those geniuses at Wikipedia'' {{!}} ''Wikisource CD'' {{!}} ''Opera arias in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''acts 10;48'' {{!}} ''Copyright and what we can include'' {{!}} ''The {{[[template:Author-PD-1923|Author-PD-1923]]}} tag and &quot;some&quot; vs. &quot;all&quot;'' {{!}} ''Two new books'' {{!}} ''It would be possible here?'' {{!}} ''Publisher Pages'' {{!}} ''Court cases'' {{!}} ''Links in source texts?'' {{!}} ''Links to related documents?'' {{!}} ''Problem in Wikisource talk:Sandbox''.}}
*[[/2007-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board'' {{!}} ''Labeled Section Transclusion installed'' {{!}} ''Board elections 2007 results'' {{!}} ''Great news from Google Books'' {{!}} ''Need even more signatures to fight the American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Sidebar link to the Scriptorium'' {{!}} ''Soft redirects'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''Reform month'' (2 subsections) {{!}} ''Bot flag'' {{!}} ''Automatic footer link insertion'' (1 subsection) {{!}} ''FT Process Ossified?'' {{!}} ''Bot flag for [[User:ZSBot]]'' {{!}} ''Move images to commons'' {{!}} ''Encourage uploading to commons'' {{!}} ''Quick Proof Reading Request Page''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Locking of [[Template:New texts]]'' {{!}} ''Quality color code for wikisource'' {{!}} ''Tool for creating Index: pages'' {{!}} ''Main Page at High-Resolution'' {{!}} ''Flags'' {{!}} ''UN provision on PD-US-no-renewal''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-08#Questions|Questions]]: ''Works released into public'' {{!}} ''Comments on new speech?'' {{!}} ''Please upload this image'' {{!}} ''Proofread [[NSTC-1]]'' {{!}} ''Formatting in Religious texts'' {{!}} ''Hello from Wikibooks'' {{!}} ''Suggested additions'' {{!}} ''Horizontal ToC?'' {{!}} ''Disable TOC autonumbering?'' {{!}} ''Poet's AuthorPage Organisation'' {{!}} ''Can't log in'' {{!}} ''How to add lyrics?'' {{!}} ''Crown copyright'' {{!}} ''Editing???'' {{!}} ''Hebrew Bible update and question'' {{!}} ''&quot;Freedom of Information Act 2000&quot;'' {{!}} ''Rename user'' {{!}} ''[[w:Talk:Columbia University Chapter of SDS]] fit for Wikisource?'' {{!}} ''Is this source okay?'' {{!}} ''John Greenleaf Whittier'' {{!}} ''Youth Sports League Results'' {{!}} ''sorcerer'' {{!}} ''Request Change to the biblecontents Template'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''Depreciating use of PD-old-70 and PD-1923 templates on works pages'' {{!}} ''Folk songs and lyric variations'' {{!}} ''slightly modified works'' {{!}} ''help/check'' {{!}} ''single file'' {{!}} ''fonts'' {{!}} ''Plays?'' {{!}} ''Wikisource category at Commons'' {{!}} ''Modify automatic footer placement?'' {{!}} ''Worth to read'' {{!}} ''Why aren't pages protected!?!?!'' {{!}} ''Time to update protection policy?'' {{!}} ''christian martyrs'' {{!}} ''Copyright on Sayyid Qutb's writings'' {{!}} ''PD-US-unpublished'' {{!}} ''Capitalization of archaic titles'' {{!}} ''Days of War, Nights of Love'' {{!}} ''Barnstars'' {{!}} ''NSRW'' {{!}} ''List of Suicide Letters of Notable Persons Removed, request for repost.''}}
*[[/2007-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''JavaScript cleanup''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Bot request: JVbot'' {{!}} ''Bot Flag'' {{!}} ''JavaScript transclusion script'' {{!}} ''HTML Conversions Category'' {{!}} ''Collapsible navboxes'' {{!}} ''Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]]'' (3 subparts) {{!}} ''Wikiproject Split Texts'' {{!}} ''We need tags and categories for sources of poor provenance'' {{!}} ''Author namespaces'' {{!}} ''dab link in header'' {{!}} ''New policies''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''site-independent JavaScript/article tab breakage'' {{!}} ''Unknown Translators'' {{!}} ''[[Wikisource:Suicide notes]]'' {{!}} ''[[:Template:PD-1923]]''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Questions|Questions]]: ''[[Wikisource:Protected against recreation]]'' {{!}} ''Which namespace should catalog pages belong to?'' {{!}} ''Ahh! A REALly &quot;new work&quot;'' {{!}} ''Text Advancement'' {{!}} ''Draft United Nations Guiding principles on Human Rights and Extreme Poverty : is there a possibility to make available to all an existing Bengali version ?'' {{!}} ''match=undefined arrows everywhere'' {{!}} ''Can I add this speech?'' {{!}} ''Photo links for Yogananda's &quot;Autobiography of a Yogi&quot;'' {{!}} ''Unclear Policy'' {{!}} ''Adding scans of historic documents''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-09#Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion|Question about copyrights on a possibly plagiarized text prior to inclusion]].}}
*[[/2007-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Image integrity'' {{!}} ''Random Author''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Obituaries''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-10#Questions|Questions]]: ''1/1/2008?'' {{!}} ''[[Heidi]]'' {{!}} ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' {{!}} ''Titles of magazine articles'' {{!}} ''[[Robinson Crusoe]]'' {{!}} ''info'' {{!}} ''Are TIFFs Necessary?'' {{!}} ''T.S. Eliot french poems'' {{!}} ''Upshot of Change [[WS:WWI|inclusion policy]] ?'' {{!}} ''Proofreadpage in Internet Explorer'' {{!}} ''Footer on {{tl|header2}}'' {{!}} ''How Wikisource helps US legal professionals'' {{!}} ''New translations of works already in Wikisource'' {{!}} ''Bot approval request'' {{!}} ''UBL''.}}
*[[/2007-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''The huge leap'' {{!}} ''Bad syntax in headers (1 subsection)'' {{!}} ''more header suggestions'' {{!}} ''Helping to sort stuff'' {{!}} ''New PD template''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''Consensus check (11 subsections)''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-11#Questions|Questions]]: ''Images uploaded here'' {{!}} ''Disambig policy?'' {{!}} ''Sudan and copyright'' {{!}} ''New Title'' {{!}} ''Towards a Global Ethic'' {{!}} ''Undeletion requests?'' {{!}} ''Reference material'' {{!}} ''Statistics'' {{!}} ''Top 10 incomplete/unfinished texts'' {{!}} ''Question author pages'' {{!}} ''Question: texts in other languages'' {{!}} ''Titling question''.}}
*[[/2007-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''OCR Bot''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Proposals|Proposals]]: ''Gadgets extension'' {{!}} ''Automatically search author namespace'' {{!}} ''Patrolling by non-admins'' {{!}} ''Abatement of the 'Author' Code'' {{!}} ''Default search to include Authors''.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2007-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: ''[[Template:no header]]'' {{!}} ''Project Gutenberg &quot;small print&quot;'' {{!}} ''Spelling of Elizabethan poetry'' {{!}} ''Headers'' {{!}} ''Inexistent?'' {{!}} ''January's Featured Text'' {{!}} ''Man-eaters of Kumaon eligible for posting here?''}}

===2008===
*[[/2008-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Announcements|Announcements]]: Page: namespace, status of pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Proposals|Proposals]]: Remove permanent link from header temple {{!}} New scripts {{!}} Categorizing works by authors' years of deaths {{!}} CSD: Reposted content {{!}} Remove edit size warning}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Commons Picture of the Year {{!}} Header use guideline}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-01#Questions|Questions]]: 70 years {{!}} User Name Changes {{!}} log in {{!}} Just So Stories - can images be mixed with text? {{!}} Requesting bot flag {{!}} Author page categories {{!}} Advice {{!}} Formatting part of a work {{!}} Bot flag request: Polbot {{!}} exercises for error of refraction {{!}} &quot;American&quot; vs. &quot;United States&quot; {{!}} pseudonymous and anonymous {{!}} Greek originals {{!}} Footnotes {{!}} Hello}}}}
*[[/2008-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: ''(none)''}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: {{tl|Author-PD-none}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Ulysses]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-02#Questions|Questions]]: Bot flag request: [[User:Polbot|Polbot]], take 2 {{!}} Soft Redirects {{!}} Australian Copyright Info {{!}} Adding images {{!}} Duplicates? {{!}} [[Twin Books v. Walt Disney Co.]] {{!}} The bird book {{!}} Two accounts? {{!}} Is there a mathematician in the house? {{!}} Wordsworth hunting}}}}
*March: {{smaller|none}}
*[[/2008-04|April]]
*[[/2008-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Announcements|Announcements]]: HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Proposals|Proposals]]: Wikimedia Radio {{!}} Site redesign {{!}} Standardization run {{!}} Add new parameters to {{[[template:header|header]]}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: [[Wikisource:How to create a DJVU file|How to create a DJVU file]] {{!}} Gutenberg copyright releases {{!}} [[CIA World Fact Book, 2004]] image evolution creep {{!}} Way to go University of Hong Kong Libraries!| Proposed a Mythbusters Episode {{!}} Internet Exploder 8 Beta {{!}} Broken redirects}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-05#Questions|Questions]]: The license on licenses {{!}} DjVu Already OCRed...| Is DoubleWiki broken?| Footer problem {{!}} Text copying from textbooks {{!}} Chess games {{!}} Webster's first dictionary {{!}} Non-specific license {{!}} Bottom-headers {{!}} Acceptable Article? {{!}} Shakespeare {{!}} semi-protection request {{!}} {{tl|Page}} Template {{!}} The Z problem {{!}} Shakespeare edition {{!}} Tax documents {{!}} Traditional {{!}} Encyclopedic articles {{!}} Copyright on new Islamic contributions {{!}} [[New Jersey Plan]] {{!}} Help {{!}} Collector's works of Robert W. Chambers {{!}} Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week {{!}} Translation of the [[Encyclopédie]] {{!}} Want to start this book}}}}
*[[/2008-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Announcements|Announcements]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Proposals|Proposals]]: FlaggedRevisions {{!}} Global sysyop}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Composite encyclopedia pages}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-06#Questions|Questions]]: [[Sufism/Nasrudin]] {{!}} Available classes for HTML elements {{!}} Duplicate, I think {{!}} DNB00 project? {{!}} New South African Constitution {{!}} 20 MB upload limit on the Commons {{!}} KAL 007 {{!}} Global deleted image review {{!}} Links to Wikisource in other languages {{!}} Integrating search engines such as Google {{!}} Printable Version {{!}} Help {{!}} [[Constitution of the Principality of Sealand]] {{!}} ''Do ut des'': cross validation {{!}} Sahih Bukhari}}}}
*[[/2008-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Proposals|Proposals]]: Main page design (again!)| SUL guidelines on Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-07#Questions|Questions]]: Published Texts about the United States' Civil War {{!}} Request for usurp User Jeroen {{!}} [[The Flowers of Evil]] {{!}} -- to — (possible change?) {{!}} [[South Hiendley]] page}}
*[[/2008-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Announcements|Announcements]]: Sources for Australian works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]] project {{!}} [[ACLU v. NSA Opinion]] featured {{!}} Minor template upgrade {{!}} 1911 Copyright Act {{!}} Links to Australian Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000 {{!}} New internal Wikimedia account}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Proposals|Proposals]]: Add PDF download option {{!}} Unknown translators|Preferences/Gadgets|Copyright tags for anonymous works|Adding purge link to Index pages|retain line breaks in the proofreading output {{!}} wikisource bots {{!}} Standardize index linking {{!}} Bot flag request for [[User:Albamhandaebot|Albamhandaebot]] |As-Sahab {{!}} CSD G4}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-08#Questions|Questions]]:One-page and PDF versions of book {{!}} Quotation marks as first letter of the alphabet {{!}} Copyright? {{!}} Requesting Mjbot bot flag {{!}} I need help with something {{!}} hutah {{!}} Bottom-headers, cont {{!}} Strange center appearance {{!}} Can a bot do this? {{!}} Versions without end {{!}} DjVu not displaying next page arrow {{!}} TeX {{!}} Text quality notation {{!}} Re: Noli Me Tangere date of publication of translation {{!}} Question|DjVu pages to images {{!}} Translations {{!}} Links to Wikipedia {{!}} Author template problems {{!}} Watchlist question {{!}} Main Page|Copyright tagging subpages|Titles of translations on Wikisource {{!}} Preloaded templates {{!}} De Trinitate needs to be fixed {{!}} Desirability of linking Google/archive scholarly/standard editions from author pages {{!}} Page break inside an indented paragraph {{!}} Discovering something of Tex engine by myself... {{!}} Speeches {{!}} Help with an image, please {{!}} Deletion {{!}} Are we obliged to reproduce Wikipedia? {{!}} Wiktionary links displaying definition {{!}} Author indexes {{!}} Assisting with splitting of long texts {{!}} PD-Art on Commons {{!}} Review of Commons Scope: how is Commons used by Wikisource?|{{tl|featured talk}}| djvu Files that need to be transferred to text {{!}} [[The Most Dangerous Game]] {{!}} {{Tl|ambox}} {{!}} Copyright question {{!}} US Appellate and (possibly Supreme Court) opinion index {{!}} Javascript errors in Internet Explorer 6 {{!}} Help with header template {{!}} CSS class &quot;printonly&quot; {{!}} Texts to be split {{!}} Is Wikisource The Place For A Collaborative Biography For A Recently Passed San Diego Jazz Musician {{!}} Xenophon (bot)}}
*[[/2008-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:New paragraph at top of page|More editing buttons {{!}} Proposal to get a {{tlx|Newtexts}} line going {{!}} United States elections in 2008 {{!}} [[:Category:Copyright law]] |remove the OCR button {{!}} Proofreading paragraph marker {{!}} Quotes in page mode}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: font-size formatting templates {{!}} Library of copyrighted materials|Template standardisation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: A nice &quot;Licence&quot; |Copyright question {{!}} A Report on the status of pages within a project {{!}} Community Curated Works (CCW) {{!}} [[Mein Kampf]] {{!}} [[Special:Contributions/Mohammed_2010|User:Mohammed 2010]] |Assistance {{!}} Linebreaks in middle of paragraphs with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;Page&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} [[:Category:Featured text candidates]] {{!}} Two questions {{!}} publishing email from a GI? {{!}} [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers|Wikiquote:Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers]] |Partial transclusion {{!}} Pedigrees {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States‎]]}}
*[[/2008-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: LinkPatroller.js Gadget {{!}} Invitation to [[w:Not the Wikipedia Weekly|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Trust and Duty}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Using ProofreadPage with EB1911 {{!}} Music and cross-project collaboration {{!}} Why not use subpages? {{!}} ProofreadPage &amp; search {{!}} leaked CIA document {{!}} &quot;translations to springboard our ''own'' English translations&quot; {{!}} Aren't all documents prepared by the CIA in the public domain? {{!}} [[On the Creation of Niggers]] {{!}} Roman or Arabic chapter numbers? {{!}} Old English versions {{!}} The &quot;header&quot; template {{!}} Archetypal author page? {{!}} Works {{!}} Gov-Edict override {{!}} Disambiguating authors {{!}} US Army Field Manuals {{!}} [[An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States]] {{!}} DoubleWiki {{!}} Formatting problem {{!}} Formatting help {{!}} Subpage title formats {{!}} DefaultSort {{!}} Doctrines to be rejected {{!}} Categorization authors to works}}
*[[/2008-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Edittools import}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Two character Author initial {{!}} [[United States Code/Title 22]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2008-11#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Braces {{!}} Double-barrelled surnames - guide to indexing {{!}} Sources provided for indexing {{!}} Author pages {{!}} Linking to Author pages? {{!}} Composers and songwriters {{!}} It.s approach to Authors: something about present setting and running developments {{!}} Gadget bug {{!}} Doctrines to be Rejected {{!}} Orson Welles {{!}} Arilang1234 asking for help {{!}} Citation tool for WS for use in WP? {{!}} Sheet music loading guide {{!}} Treaty of Utrecht {{!}} Problems transcluding {{!}} Variant editions {{!}} Wiki Campus Radio - Nov 11th -Armistice Day}}}}
*[[/2008-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Unify transcription namespaces {{!}} Tabs {{!}} [[:Template:Dropinitial-span]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2008-12#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Template:PD-ZimGovDoc {{!}} Greek in Edittools {{!}} div needs to go on a separate line {{!}} Scriptorium header levels {{!}} Proofreading Aristotle {{!}} Free content problem with Microsoft scans?| Using poem-tag {{!}} More fun with sheet music {{!}} Wikisource on mobile phones {{!}} Namespaces {{!}} Word parsing and counting {{!}} say USER:... {{!}} Typographical bugs {{!}} ongoing Wikisource project {{!}} New message warning {{!}} [[meta:WikiVoices|WikiVoices]] {{!}} Inconsistent spelling in [[Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla]] {{!}} Technical : Color Proofreading status of links to Page: namespace {{!}} DEFAULTSORT {{!}} Opening &quot;special tools and characters&quot;| [[Template:uc]] {{!}} Bug with [[Template:Page]] {{!}} [[Por una Cabeza]] {{!}} Can lyrics be put on this site? |Splitting guidelines {{!}} Anchor template and sub pages {{!}} Freedom of Information Act documents {{!}} The Origins of Totalitarianism {{!}} Copyrighted but free content {{!}} Audio Poetry: John Keats {{!}} Diff patrolling {{!}} Is the policy of InternertArchives changing? {{!}} Another copyrighted but free content question {{!}} Gospel of Peter}}

===2009===
*[[/2009-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Upload file size limit increased}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Deletion policy: closure by uninvolved administrator|Merchandise}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-01#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Copyright Status of Posthumous Publications {{!}} UK 'Hansard' {{!}} Royal Society Digital Archive only for 3 Months FREE {{!}} Transcluding Paradise Lost {{!}} Derivative Works and Orthography {{!}} [[Template:Initials]] {{!}} Two alphabetical sorts happening in Author categories {{!}} Using anchors in the texts {{!}} Bios on author pages {{!}} DJVU help {{!}} how do I upload this file? {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography Poor Quality Scans]] {{!}} newspaper clipping of unknown origin {{!}} On the footer {{!}} Kipling copyright query {{!}} Google Frustration {{!}} Deletion of obscure works {{!}} [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Message to Scientology]] {{!}} Templates for Grammar {{!}} Speedy Deletion question {{!}} If {{!}} Hebrew vowels and cantillation {{!}} WP Search misses Author: namespace {{!}} Author disambiguation in header {{!}} [[Oregon Constitution]] {{!}} Usurpation of [[User:Jackie]] {{!}} New Texts?}}
*[[/2009-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Newly prepared set of copyright licenses}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Semi-protect for Canadian legislation|[[Wikisource:Works]] &amp; Images|Subpage formatting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: {{tl|similar}} template in Author: namespace}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-02#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Line numbering {{!}} Wikilinks from articles {{!}} Putting a letter on the margin {{!}} Edmeston and Otsego County {{!}} Images {{!}} English/US spelling {{!}} Sidebar {{!}} Completely off-topic {{!}} Help need with the [[Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB|Dictionary of National Biography project]] {{!}} Middle English Texts - letters {{!}} Extraction of photos {{!}} Arrays by selective transclusion {{!}} Typesetting a list with ditto marks {{!}} Polytonic Greek {{!}} FAL {{!}} Disambiguation pages - discussion {{!}} Anchors, links &amp; transcluded pages: what is the solution? {{!}} When does a template stop being experimental and usable? {{!}} Biographical info about a translator {{!}} Estimated death dates {{!}} Redundance &amp; coherence into header templates {{!}} For python addicts: scripts to extract text from Internet Archive djvu.xml files {{!}} Spelling corrections?| [[User:Sergei]] usurpation {{!}} GPL ? |IPA Support}}}}
*[[/2009-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Wikisource:Possible copyright violations|Vote of confidence for Eclecticology}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Wiki Money {{!}} Remove last_initial parameter from [[Template:Author]] |Tweak main page title}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: CrankyLibrarian project {{!}} Overriding default sort on Author pages {{!}} Themes on &quot;New texts&quot;}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-03#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:Testimony from a British courtroom {{!}} Copyright renewals {{!}} Texts and proofreading {{!}} Category intersections {{!}} Getting [[Lives]] and subpages moved {{!}} Publisher on Author pages {{!}} Wikisource:WikiProject United States Executive Orders {{!}} line numbers {{!}} Project of the Month {{!}} End-of-page wordspace issue {{!}} Public domain books - how to upload? {{!}} Question regarding some US Govt/Department of State &quot;Foreign Media Reaction&quot; reports. {{!}} Template:PD-USGov-POTUS {{!}} Gadget preloading header {{!}} It is a good source {{!}} [[Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly|Popular Science Monthly]] Project {{!}} Retired?|how to produce small footnotes?|Can we record this?| Request community permission for bot for SDrewthbot {{!}} Copyright: [[The Incoherence of the Incoherence]] {{!}} Using an icon to indicate a spoken work {{!}} Copyright status of symbol on title page {{!}} Peer reviewed journal articles with open copyrights {{!}} Last broken word of a proofread page: a solution {{!}} Pages that disambiguate multiple editions or republications of the same work {{!}} Managing bilingual translations {{!}} Applying the text advancement to other wikis {{!}} Copyvio @ State of the Union Opposition Speeches? {{!}} Duplicate works of Dryden {{!}} double pages in djvu {{!}} Wikimania 2009}}}}
*[[/2009-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: gifs broken}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Statically mirroring some Wikipedia articles {{!}} Nominate Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany for deletion or replacement {{!}} Add new Wikisource policy concerning Translation requests {{!}} What to do about the author index?|Search box position|Bot request: TarmstroBot {{!}} AbuseFilter {{!}} Robots.txt}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Author:Anonymous}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-04#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: [[The Iliad]] vs. [[The Iliad of Homer rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original]] vs. [[The Iliad (Butler)]] {{!}} [[Template:Versions]] {{!}} constuction of the greek parthenon {{!}} Nazi speeches {{!}} Uploading with a script {{!}} Two spaces after sentences? {{!}} Book tools and proofread works: what I'm mistaking? {{!}} Trouble with small caps template {{!}} U.S. Constitution: which version? {{!}} Arabic ligature {{!}} Colon in Works name problematic for title {{!}} Eclecticology &quot;pissed off&quot; on foundation-l about their deadminship {{!}} Redundancy? {{!}} What is he referencing? {{!}} What Will He Do With It? by George Lytton {{!}} Allowing cross-namespace redirects {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;lefttext&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Pages deleted in Children's version of Swiss Family Robinson {{!}} [[The Idiot]] missing a chapter {{!}} Confusing language with country {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Hard-coded font faces {{!}} To correct or not to correct?... {{!}} Arrows in Page: space {{!}} Google Books, and translation one word at a time. |Mūlamadhyamakakārikā: first chapter in romanized Sanskrit with diacritics {{!}} Problem with standard line number template {{!}} Page template {{!}} Portal: and WikiSource: namespaces}}}}
*[[/2009-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikipedia AFD: The Free Bible {{!}} Licensing update progress notice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Transwiki Bot Request {{!}} Headerless pages and [[Special:AbuseFilter]] {{!}} [[Template:PD-Manifesto]] |[[User:VolkovBot]]|Illustrator parameter on {{tl|header}}|Rule of shorter term exception on [[Template:Pd/1923]] group {{!}} Large deletion proposal of United States Code}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: Headerless pages requiring cleanup and Wanted Authors}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-05#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Need a book imported. |zoom {{!}} end-of-line hyphenation {{!}} Meta-question:| Copyright questions {{!}} Djvu repair {{!}} Request for Importation {{!}} Wikimania 2009: Scholarships {{!}} Search problem {{!}} Changing the &quot;prose&quot; class for printing {{!}} I need help linking a wikisource file to an author page {{!}} [[Portal:Marcus Witmark &amp; Sons]] and others {{!}} Authors with unknown years of deaths {{!}} Build your own {{!}} Which copyright tag for [[What Is Lojban?]] ? {{!}} Nuremberg +++ {{!}} {{tl|anchor}} broken?}}}}
*[[/2009-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Votes of confidence {{!}} Dropinitial template changed |{{tl|translations}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Autopatrolled permission {{!}} Wikimania 2010}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-06#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Exporting as pdf {{!}} Use of &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;X&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Should I publish my Master's in Mathematics here? {{!}} Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included. {{!}} [[Wikisource:Books|Wikisource Books]], a place to collect books created with the book tool. |Searching a category {{!}} Adding the [[Template:Psm|Popular Science Monthly template]] to each issue {{!}} Featured text {{!}} Good fonts for proofing {{!}} DjVu page numbering {{!}} a template to transclude a series of pages|New page status for incomplete pages {{!}} A poem annotated by the poet {{!}} Inter-language bots? {{!}} Transclusions limit {{!}} Qur'an links {{!}} New index page}}
*[[/2009-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Bold button &quot;edit&quot; |Add &lt;code&gt;|override_translator&lt;/code&gt; to {{tl|Header}}| Adding year parameter to Header {{!}} Separate page to propose moving works with no US license to Canadian Wikilivres}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:A New Undertaking|[[User_talk:CORNELIUSSEON#Deleted Template:PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH]]|Someone's reflection on WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-07#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]:The Anglo-Saxon Wikisource {{!}} Budget model {{!}} Question on Wikisource Text {{!}} rename [[:Category:Leaked Classified Documents]] to [[:Category:Leaked classified documents]]? |Theodore Kaczynski/Unabomber {{!}} Would this be useful? {{!}} A little confused about something {{!}} PD-tags {{!}} Typography, Orthography &amp; Other Points of Style {{!}} [[Template:TextQuality]] on subpages {{!}} New categories {{!}} Extensions {{!}} Problem with a djvu file {{!}} edittools {{!}} A problem with ProofreadPage, transclusion and special indentation {{!}} Interlanguage links and PDF generation {{!}} Wikisource iPhone App (Sort of) {{!}} to link or not to link? {{!}} [[The Raven (Poe)|Poe's The Raven]] {{!}} [[Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading|Beginner's how-to for DjVu uploading]]}}
*[[/2009-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:[[Wikisource:Autopatrolled]]|[[Wikisource:Administrators#Eliyak]]| AWB users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Keeping Template:new texts fresh {{!}} Proposal to amend [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]| Subprotection}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[[Template:Author]] and the name parameter}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-08#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Orig. author should be credited, I believe, not default &quot;Wikisource contributors&quot; {{!}} More on proofreading {{!}} Full-screen width for images {{!}} law categories {{!}} LaTeX {{!}} GLAM -Challenge {{!}} m with macron {{!}} Do you want a compendium of churn rates? {{!}} [[The Hunting of the Snark]] {{!}} Issues at Commons - who can assist {{!}} New Mark Twain Story {{!}} Copyright of Canadian political speeches {{!}} Strategic Planning {{!}} Wikisource Logo}}}}
*[[/2009-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:OCR Gadget|Transclusion of pages between subdomains|Readded [[MediaWiki:Histlegend]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Translation licenses|[[WS:CotW]] needs some love|Categorizing Indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-09#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Elections Notice {{!}} Seeking opinion re Crockford's Clerical Directory {{!}} Non free scan? |Woodstock {{!}} HOYT'S NEW CYCLOPEDIA OF PRACTICAL QUOTATIONS (1922) {{!}} Question about copyright {{!}} Proofreading next page arrow {{!}} Zotero translator {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;acronym/&gt; and &lt;abbr/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; |Speedy deletion of Markles' work {{!}} Getting a new document independently reviewed {{!}} [[Auld Lang Syne]]}}}}
*[[/2009-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Links to pages from index pages {{!}} Nomination for CheckUser|''Wiktionary Hover'' gadget in beta}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Restructure of [[Wikisource:Featured texts]] {{!}} Removal of alternative language list from article PDFs}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Index popularity}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-10#Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Transclusion of footnotes over different pages {{!}} New to DJVU {{!}} Header-template |.pdf Hosting {{!}} unifying wikipedia and wikisource legal citation templates (usc and etc) {{!}} Popular Science Monthly Project {{!}} Guidance for naming of poetry? {{!}} Inclusion of non-fiction PD book published in 1966 {{!}} Category names {{!}} Mystery symbol {{!}} Breakup {{!}} Annals of the World {{!}} academic papers? {{!}} Concerns about fidelity of Internet Archive DjVu files {{!}} Redirects in Index namespace {{!}} Print Version {{!}} Header problem(s) {{!}} The Grammar of English Grammars {{!}} Can I upload a scan of a PD(?) book and how? {{!}} Meta-text environments and audience customizability {{!}} Help with incomplete DjVu {{!}} Question about logo {{!}} Asking for bot permission {{!}} {{tl|copyright author}} from [[WS:COPYVIO]] {{!}} Family History {{!}} Reference inside reference {{!}} DjVu navigation buttons? |Code update {{!}} [[Socialist Unity]] {{!}} Unwatched pages {{!}} film and drama scripts {{!}} newsletters from the Army 1783rd Engineers Supply Company {{!}} Copyright on Commons (and Beatrix Potter) {{!}} Indexpages display {{!}} Importing of Doctrines of The Salvation Army}}}}
*[[/2009-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Welsh Wills prior to 1858}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Proposals of texts|{{tl|Header}} and Scans}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:[http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/copyright/ Nolo's Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Blog]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-11# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Dynamic Page List {{!}} Question - Copyrights - The Way of a Man with a Maid {{!}} Problems with new update {{!}} Rollback? {{!}} refactored main page {{!}} Overriding Cover Image Properties on Index Pages {{!}} Unified login question {{!}} Volunteers still needed {{!}} A survey of English literature, 1780-1880, Volume 2 {{!}} Opera libretto {{!}} Noli Me Tangere {{!}} SDrewthbot and author &quot;fixes&quot; {{!}} New bugs {{!}} Book Tool Issues and the Way to the Solution {{!}} Gutenberg and Wikisource {{!}} We need an award system on Wikisource {{!}} Index page editing bug: double quote escaping {{!}} Renewals|Sister project links {{!}} DjVu text layers {{!}} New gadget added - edittop {{!}} Internet Archive Scanning Services {{!}} Spelling rules for proofreading|Who are the developers?| Swedish bible-texts, Help wanted! |Is this of any use?| Adding obituaries to wikisource.. {{!}} Typographic or take an image {{!}} Just Throwing this out there A Simple English Wikisource. |Just curious about a minor mystery|Hidden headers}}}}
*[[/2009-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:November is Validation Month|WikiProjects replaces Song of the Day|Fix of Index page status issue}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: New bot proposal {{!}} Remote nomination of English texts at Canadian Wikilivres|Flagging obscure words, names, etc. for further research|Category tree for Special:Categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Video transcripts}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2009-12# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Stale page link coloring on index page? |Indexes and TOC {{!}} What is the go with {{tl|Indent}}? |IRC channel?|Portals {{!}} Bot extraction of text already in DjVu file {{!}} Indexes and TOC for The Popular Science Monthly {{!}} Change of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template]] |Template help is sought {{!}} Proper placement of copyright tags/boxes {{!}} Problem with interface {{!}} Understanding &amp;lt;section&gt; tags and their use with &amp;lt;pages&gt; tags {{!}} Fundraiser banner|Odd problem with transclusion of footnote {{!}} DJVU Viewer App Available for the iPod Touch/iPhone Now {{!}} Batch-moving pages {{!}} Formating when proofreading {{!}} Is there any easy way to upload external OCR? |Something weird happening {{!}} Unvalidating a Page {{!}} Question about Corriegenda and Addenda {{!}} Ancient Greek?|New texts}}}}

===2010===
*[[/Musical Notation/]]
*[[/2010-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Match and Split tool|Update of Gadget Popups|''Philosophical Transactions'' articles online|''Irish Times'' free online for two weeks|Modified version of gadget HotCat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Mark as patrolled|Janitorial collaboration each month|Alternate_Account|Phasing out the use of {{tl|PD-old-70}}|Remove Anglo-Saxon IW from main page {{!}} Experimental tool for copyright advice}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-01# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Index page without and with Table of Contents {{!}} ye|Wikimedia Strategy {{!}} Copyright notices for Gutenberg? {{!}} Quran translations in 40 languages {{!}} Standard suite/Wikisource-specific {{!}} 10 Volumes of Photographic History of the Civil War {{!}} Bibliographies? {{!}} Request for usurp User Myst {{!}} Inclusion question {{!}} Books, pagination and long quotations {{!}} Model United Nations {{!}} Rescue job [[Medina Charter]] {{!}} by psalmkid: {{!}} Spelling correction? {{!}} [[Author:Onwutalobi Anthony-Claret]] |index pages {{!}} MultiLicensePD? |Who died in 1939?| Indent and paragraph indent {{!}} USS Taurus(PHM-3) {{!}} Back to the future (of the PSM project) {{!}} [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] could do with your opinion {{!}} What to do with [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]] {{!}} Year in the {{tl|header}} template}}
*[[/2010-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New copyright tags for posthumous works {{!}} [[:ru:Викитека:Вавилонский форум]] (the Babel Scriptorium)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Move PD-manifesto works to Canadian Wikilivres?| [[w:Golan v. Gonzalez|Golan v. Gonzalez]] |{{tl|PD-USGov}} and collapsible pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-02# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Google Books {{!}} Music {{!}} Reference to bibliography {{!}} Happy New Year {{!}} Translations of Republished Ancient Works? {{!}} New Public Domain texts {{!}} Genealogy? {{!}} Proofread page help {{!}} References in a single page display {{!}} Naming convention?| {{tl|TextQuality}}: to use with transclusion? {{!}} Why are the lists of authors, etc so hidden away? {{!}} Attribution request {{!}} Template:PD-USGov {{!}} [[Appletons']] editions {{!}} Books digitised by google {{!}} Copyright of Texts published in Iran {{!}} Illegible scans {{!}} Did you know?| Edward Bulwer-Lytton: some dark and stormy issues {{!}} Do-over on Hoyt's {{!}} Image frames {{!}} [[Deutsche Pomologie]] {{!}} Reporting error corrections {{!}} Delete [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001 - Front Cover.djvu]] {{!}} How to activate the &quot;source&quot; tab? {{!}} Help {{!}} Help with djvu {{!}} Blocking edit of a transcluded page {{!}} Multiple column list, {{!}} &quot;Expansion depth limit exceeded&quot; |Does flood flag work here?| Nominations for [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] and [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] {{!}} Watched pages}}
*[[/2010-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: PDF page cropping template {{!}} New source for Australian works - Trove}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:Leave background colors alone|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]:Helping new editors with common templates}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-04# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Public Domain Day in the UK {{!}} For those who want the stats {{!}} Need some guidance {{!}} Sister links need some work {{!}} [[Help:Introduction]] {{!}} ref name {{!}} Regarding [[#Leave background colors alone|Leave background colors alone]] {{!}} In reference to [[#Periodicals are not works, but collections of works|Periodicals are not works, but collections of works]] {{!}} US Dept. of the Interior {{!}} Why don't zero-width spaces behave properly? {{!}} Wrong email subject in deletion notification {{!}} [[w:Nada Bindu Upanishad|Nada Bindu Upanishad]] |Strange {{!}} Formatting for a book's index {{!}} Browser survey {{!}} Public Domain Question {{!}} (Qn. for community) Dealing with book indices {{!}} Congratulations to the [[WS:PotM]]ers {{!}} Nasa Documents {{!}} Looking for portraits {{!}} Call for proposals for Wikimedia UK initiatives {{!}} Preferring image files and a better system for imported Gutenberg texts and have images {{!}} About illustrations {{!}} Wikisource:Possible copyright violations {{!}} Listing of Categories {{!}} [[Avadhuta Gita]] {{!}} Concerning religous texts. {{!}} Featured Texts and Match &amp; Split {{!}} Need djvu help {{!}} Tab order in Page: namespace {{!}} A table on two pages {{!}} Deprecated template {{tl|blank line}} - notification {{!}} Help with Swedish pdf -&gt; djvu {{!}} Format/layout of scanned PD magazine stories &amp; images/illustrations questions {{!}} Possible Changes to Collaboration of the Week {{!}} Interesting annotation solution {{!}} No rest? {{!}} Too sensitive or too demanding? {{!}} Cold Fusion resources {{!}} Creative commons {{!}} Rollbacker proposal above {{!}} Cross wiki post management {{!}} Wikimania Scholarships {{!}} Source statistics |Ai Weiwei conversation {{!}} Transcluded article with missing source page {{!}} The Birth-mark|zap request|Naval history book {{!}} Seeking knowledge through advice {{!}} What to do about words hyphenated across a line break in scanned texts?| [[Wikisource:The New York Times|The New York Times]] |Odd DEFAULTSORT behavior|Author categories {{!}} Book reviews/scholarly work}}}}
*[[/2010-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:New lower case diacritic templates|Newton's ''Principia'' addition a Wikisource milestone}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-05# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: {{tl|listen}} and video .ogg {{!}} Custom substitution of archaic letter-forms (and more) {{!}} {{tl|Dropcap}} vs {{tl|Dropinitial}} {{!}} Vector is coming {{!}} Weird line break in paragraphs with images {{!}} Extracting a project's proofread list {{!}} Process for creating new book? {{!}} Interwiki to old WS? {{!}} The complete collection of pictures &amp; songs by Randolph Caldecott {{!}} Rotating Djvu file {{!}} Recurrent whole paragraphs with minimal differences {{!}} Vector and it.source {{!}} What's happened to page editing? {{!}} Patrolling recent changes is having issues (lodged in Bugzilla) {{!}} Using mouse wheel to magnify OCR image {{!}} Right way to index JPEGs {{!}} Author name resolution in PSM {{!}} Question about illustrations {{!}} Purge clock {{!}} PSM authors list {{!}} Adding a translation to new texts {{!}} Passages in the Life of a Philosopher {{!}} Wikimania 2010 {{!}} Choosing a text to upload}}
*[[/2010-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]: Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest open!}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]: Consideration to introducing Rollback privileges}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-06# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: How many pages on your watchlist? {{!}} Editing uploaded images {{!}} Reference indicator variation in PSM {{!}} Stories from the Arabian nights {{!}} Google copyright claims on public domain works {{!}} PD materials on JSTOR etc. {{!}} Vector vs. ProofreadPage Index pages {{!}} InductiveBot bot request {{!}} Bring out your [[Wikisource:Featured text candidates|dead]] {{!}} PediaPress and validated texts {{!}} Special:IndexPages {{!}} New bot introduction {{!}} Request for gif --&gt; djvu conversion {{!}} Virgil: The Georgics, poem, verse and transclusions {{!}} [[Totalmente Drama no Interior]] {{!}} Greek spelling {{!}} No, Wikisource isn't educational {{!}} Grammar 1911 {{!}} Google Docs OCR {{!}} DjVu text layer {{!}} DropInitials and alt text {{!}} [[mw:Extension:LilyPond]] and Bugzilla {{!}} Copyright status of book by UK government commission {{!}} &quot;Androcles and the Lion&quot; in the Shavian alphabet {{!}} Template:ROOTPAGENAME {{!}} Need a more permanent record of New Texts {{!}} New or old edition? {{!}} Forgeries, dubious works and the like {{!}} Questionable single character {{!}} Bot creation of a pdf book from proofread works {{!}} Side by side image view (proofreading) {{!}} Missing documents project? {{!}} OCR quality {{!}} Search engine by book {{!}} Flipping illustrations {{!}} Searching across Wiki databases {{!}} [[A Drink Problem]] {{!}} Which PD to use? {{!}} Question about proofreading {{!}} Missing &quot;text-align:left;&quot; {{!}} Anchor {{!}} Adding the &quot;T&quot; in the introductory paragraph {{!}} Ear candy {{!}} Indented text wrap in a table cells {{!}} a question}}
*[[/2010-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Announcements {{!}} Announcements ]]:Nominations at [[Wikisource:Administrators]]|Gadget: HotCat, new version in test}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Proposals {{!}} Proposals ]]:January 1, 2019 is upon us: Non-Public Archiving|Phase out TextQuality templates and system|Expand scope of Author namespace {{!}} Vector skin and interwikis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Other discussions {{!}} Other discussions ]]: reddit}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-07# Questions {{!}} Questions ]]: Bot flag request for [[User:SKbot|SKbot]] {{!}} Legality of scanning PD sections from a non-PD publication...? {{!}} Dash-like marks {{!}} Jammed web page {{!}} British Museum tie-ins {{!}} [[Help:Namespaces]] {{!}} Proposal to rename [[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week]] {{!}} Londonlives.org {{!}} Someone care to update [[Samuel Mudd Documents]]? {{!}} PSM authors page {{!}} Standard editing toolbar {{!}} Need comment/advise on image cleaning {{!}} The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations {{!}} Do you think that your work is quirky or of greater interest? {{!}} Inventory {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} Image caption alignment {{!}} A totally new experience wrapped in its usual ignorance {{!}} Distributed Proofreaders and Wikisource {{!}} Scanner}}}}
*[[/2010-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Canadian Wikilivres and final notice to fully abolish PD-manifesto|Gadget : Lightweight scans|Text donation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:add edits to watchlist as default|Auto creation of Page:*}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-08#Questions|Questions]]:Bot flag request for BenchBot|User preferences|Four files, one of them correct, three wrong ones|missing text|Quality icon|Help needed: Image of the original text when editing is not displayed|Recent changes in Real Time|New statistics|Having quotation marks at the start of each line|Little help|[[Wikisource:Translations#Multiple wiki translations|Multiple wiki translations]]|Newbie needing help|Print template|Narrated books tracing a family|Password|PDF Version|PhD thesis on Wikisource (about Wikipedia)|Formatting and inserting large pages that are not DJVU|Court case PDFs|Template for works public domain in the US, but not their source country}}
*[[/2010-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming|Wikimedia UK Microgrants}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Link to a whole text version|Continuous scroll display|Author page creation}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Upgrading HotCat}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2010-09#Questions|Questions]]:Header templates|Bot Flag for LcawteBot|Bot flag for Ryuchbot|searching across page breaks doesn't work|Bot flag for [[User:BotMultichill]]|URL upload bot|page numbers rendered in javascript|wheel zoom|Bot flag for Diego Grez Bot|What to do with Author:Clarence Young|More about Author: namespace vs Portal: namespace|Bot flag request for Phe-bot|Author:John Thompson, U.S. Army|Copyright check|Nupedia|[[wikt:MediaWiki:Gadget-WiktSidebarTranslation.js]]|Speedy delete|Why can't I get the scanned pages to show up?|Incorrect licensing in PressPedia Books|[[The Giaour]] it.source version|Footnotes in Encyclopedia Britannica|HathiTrust|Translating|Key missing authors|Problem with a page that is gibberish|Announcement/invitation|Seeking advice on how to format poems}}}}
*[[/2010-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-10#Questions|Questions]]:Transclusion breaks sidenotes|Page should be validated|Dynamic layout|Two questions|Problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Solution against the broken external links: back up the Internet|Some help needed|Need help with finding a book to add to our collection|No Wikisource Items On Cafe Press|A new experimental template|Assistance with PDF scan to text|Editnotices|Transcluded (proofread) books cannot be exported|Arrivederci!|Help needed with table border|Does anyone object to structuring the Portal: namespace?|Double pages in DjVu file page|Posting this again as the first time was deleted with no answer - How do you put together sections from an Index page?|Why am I logged out 10 or 20 times a day while I am still editing?|Asking for musical note editing advice|Found a Public Domain Punjabi Encyclopedia online, need help|Schindler's List|Niketas Choniates &quot;Historia&quot;|RFC: Default ON for gadget for header and author templates|Question on linking to translations|I wanted to validate [[Page:Horses and roads.djvu/38]] but that option was not available to me, altho it had been proofed by another editor|Additional amendments to the United States Constitution|Dot leaders in tables?|I can't log out because if I do, my talk page, user page and contributions disappear and become redlinks!|kirk munroe|The Boston Evening Transcript}}
*[[/2010-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-11#Questions|Questions]]:Category needed for articles with no scanned djvu to verify contents|WIP on [[Horses and roads]]|help please|Image caption font-size and line height.|style and scope|help|Sister project link(s)|Broken file - needs deleting|The main page looks empty|Easy LST|footers|Page numbers alignment|Template citation help.|Manual for a U.S. ICBM system|Internet Archive|Need a bit of Hebrew and Greek help|A wiki table question/help|Bilingual works and ''pagelist''|A line of asterisks|Text surrounding images|decline and fall of roman empire|Someone pleae block [[User:Dune Harrow]]|Another section tag convention?|[[Page:1965 FBI monograph on Nation of Islam.djvu/61]]|New Gadget - UserMessages|Symbol help}}
*[[/2010-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner|UK to review its Copyright laws|Suppressing fundraising banner}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes|Structure Portals by Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress Classification|Change {{tl|smaller}}, et al., to percentage-based sizes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2010-12#Questions|Questions]]:Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings|Why line breaks are removed?|Match and split (1)|A Book of Nursery Rhymes|&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; has changed|[[Preface to Curieuses Natur-Kunst-Gewerck- und Handlungs-Lexicon 1712]] needs some love|Is there a free software java solution for converting printed text --&gt; searchable PDF?|Password question|How to put together a book|Thomas Wyatt's poetry|Nupedia|commons categories|Request for help|What is being done about [[:Category:PD-manifesto]] ?|OCR generator tool|History of the prophets and kings|Scanned page doesn't show up|Odd Hebrew Bug|Making one of the layouts the default for a certain book|&quot;Split without match&quot;|Page:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu/26|Interwiki links to Oldwikisource?|Prevent space between transcluded pages|bad scan|Xmas news and greetings}}

===2011===
*[[/2011-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:enws.org as short redirect to Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to disable and hide the &quot;Download as PDF&quot; link}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:General problem about licensing|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|November 2010 is Validation month]]|TOCs on articles which have their own numbering system|Shakespeare's First Folio|Wikileaks collection of cables|How to centre-align in table cells?|Help requested to recover lost page text|Transclusion problem due to ignorance|Text alignment in a table vs natural Page: justification.|Convert to DJVU?|Public Domain texts marked with &quot;no source&quot; tags|Brace design help is asked for|Black images|DjVu text layer present, but not appearing when I edit a new Page|Search with transcluded text|Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations|Public Domain Day 2011|Misalignment of contents in the main namespace|[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates]] discussion and nominations|Galen's _On the Natural Faculties_, Book One|Page contains image|Converting PDF to DjVU|Serif font experiment|Advice needed on converting text/image|Music!|Split|Librivox|please undelete Robert Elise translation}}
*[[/2011-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Request for comment on local administrators|Nomination of Spangineer to be a checkuser|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]|Template namespace now is configured for subpages|MediaWiki update 16/02/2011}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to modify way works are categorized in the index page}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:JackBot]]|Bot authorization request (and digging into djvu text layer)|Text amendments to [[WS:BOTS]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ada and PD-US|Commons Creator ns ''vs'' WS's Author: ns|Match and split (2)|When is an index 'Done'?|Wiki table style shortcuts|Dotted summary rows|Exporting from Wikisource / making Wikisource more accessible|Help editing my first djvu|A possilbly controversial upload|A (bold; mad?) idea|Perseus open texts now cc-by-sa|Header template upgrades|Wikisource:Alternate accounts|Image for toolbar button help requested|Revisiting naming conventions &amp; disambiguation|Heads-up to administrative happenings|{{tl|Largeinitial}} template tweak|Thoughts about gadgetising parts of our active components for user's talk pages|What's the difference between Wikisource and Wikipedia?|Translating 墨子 into English|Emergent feature of templates managing style attributes|Text separator of dots|Once more HathiTrust|Please comment on the following at Google Moderator...|[[No Treason]]|New version of Template:Loop|Split to subpages?|English version of Hypnerotomachia Poliphili|Main namespace text alignment problem.|Help! (fractions and TeX formatting)|Author header updates|Inline tables|Multiple account tracking|Text quality status, DjVu|HISTORY QUESTION for old-timers (at enWS)|Marking unreadable text|To include or delete?|King George 6th|The Natural History of the Newspaper|Translation desired|U.S. Department of the Interior Annual Report 1896|Sex in the source :-)|Location of footnotes?|[[Author:William Henry Smith]]|Fremantle Society's newsletters, minutes, etc. accepted here?|The American Journal of Sociology|[[Selections from Muhammadan Traditions]]|Manual of style for authorpages|Error regarding Selassie's speech on Spirituality}}}}
*[[/2011-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Installation of [[mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia)]]|Babel extension}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:EnBot|EnBot]]|Another bot approval request|Bot request - DougBot|Interwiki-Bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Plagiarism of Translation?|Text Size Toggle|Selectable layouts|Floating image and text help is asked for|Dynamic layout for non-Page: works?|Scans Index page of Vol 43 is messed up|Troubles with a large djvu file|Use of colon in title|Twitter|About links to source, pedia, other wiki projects|Page number mislocated in Chrome|Fixing toolbar at bottom of the browser page|Removing {{tl|Populate}} by a willing bot|Controversial translation|[[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]|Secret codes in Recent Changes|Running examples of long references splitted into more than one page|Embedded fonts|Wikilivres needs help|Histories - Help|Slow steps towards &quot;wikicaptcha&quot;|Discussion: Problems with Mediawiki upgrade|[[The Gateless Gate]]|Regex menu framework and vector skin|Hosting works on Wikisource under copyright in the US from another web site|Sidenotes, columns. Thoughts?|Can't get commons PSM images back into page no. sequence|DoubleWiki alignment|Test layout available via gadget|Text search box|The sky is the limit?|Advanced characters such as Beginning quote, and what to do with them.|Is it possible to identify links from WP to WS|please help!|Navigation links in header|Old, notable, missing content, but dificult to title|Any notability requirements for old periodicals?|The Pedlar's Caravan}}
*[[/2011-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:{{strikethrough|PLANNED Mediawiki upgrade Tuesday, February 8, starting at 07:00 UTC}}|index headers &amp; footer fields|maintenance|WMF blog - Commons thumbnails issues}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Provisional ban of the person who most recently edited as Longfellow|Forbidding translations into ancient languages|Deprecate Match and Split|2,500,000th edit|Input and decisions are sought on the following}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:US only books via HathiTrust|National Maritime Museum data question|I think that our default text width needs to be examined again.|Library transcriptions|Demetrius Charles Boulger|Announcement|Wikimedia email server problems?|Commons: Innovations for enWS users to note|Homeschool community outreach|License for Wikisource logo is disputed|Link from Page:|{{tl|DJVU page link}}|special character|Some big news regarding the URAA|Conversion of text to pdf in Mainspace|Overlapping of text onto image: would love feedback!|McCartney? Or Lennon?|Purge clock|English work containing non-English fragments - how to translate|References to Wikisource|Magnus's PrettyLinkWidget.js|Catholic Bible (1913)|[[Medina Charter]]|I would like to [[:commons:User_talk:Inductiveload#Image_move_request|Move on]]!|Discussion to modify Collaboration of the Week|Academic papers under a free license|Upload help}}
*[[/2011-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Nomination for a bureaucrat}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:New Main Page format|Import text size modifier from it.ws|beta preference for toolbar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:phe-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Third Party Help with the editing of Cygnis insignis|Author pages|Noob Question: Hidden header/footers?|Annotations|PD-old|19th century images displayed on websites|Disambiguation and versions primer|Closed out Transwiki:|Karl Max|Just Click|Wikisource/Wikipedia Game|Links to Wikisource transcriptions in US National Archives catalog|Reusing signatures?|Great work by the PotMers|Portal {{strikethrough|theater}} Plays|A Gift|Meta action FYI|Regex menu framework|Any knowledge surrounding [[w:Template:UF-hcard-name]]|Classics|{{tl|edition}} suggestions/recommendations|Hate to ask...|Anders Behring Breivik detention hearing|Author name question|Procedure to reach consensus|Notice: Problems with Template:Long-s|djvu merge needed|Serial issue #1 from 1916 publication...worth transcribing?|Slow Commons Uploads|Wikisource for Wikipedians|page links|Labeled Section Transclusion|Two images' related questions|Text layer problem|Personal image filter referendum|The logotype, mobile version|TOC|Closed Captioning from Years Worth of Congress, Senate and the House Videos|Image placement help|Scaling up the import of open-access sources|Case of newspaper article titles/headlines?|HathiTrust|''Cf.'' ?|New text|Wikisource now mentioned in National Archives online catalog!|Meetup in Perth, Western Australia|Western Europe in the Middle Ages|Repaging pdfs|Excerpt presented as whole work|Match &amp; split problems|Page titles using quotation marks and/or other characters|Script toolbar|A namespace for projects?|[[Page:Western Europe in the Middle Ages.djvu/27]]}}}}
*[[/2011-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Looks like Wikisource Mobile is active|Image filter}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Authorize Crats to promote for all sysop rights}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Table help please|OCR|Making one of the layouts the default, again|A missing PSM image problem|National Exam forms|TOC navigation|WikiSource and Commons Hosted in India|Is de.wikisource cheating?|Advice on text and images|Follow-up from bug triage|Unsanctioned gadgetisation of edittools|smallrefs help|Problem With Cached Pages|Table Formatting = Ugly|Re: [[User:Skylark92]]|would this be old enough to have on here?|Bulk delete request|Attention anyone near San Francisco ... archive.org|Sri Lankan government copyright?|hws/hwe/sc|Wikibooks/Wikisource triage}}
*[[/2011-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:Mediawiki upgrade news at Wikimedia|Gadgets may need reloading|JSTOR has released back issues of many journals|Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:CandalBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Author:Herbert Asquith (1881–1947)|Herbert Asquith's]] ''Poems: 1912-1933'' (1934)|VIAF use at Commons|Translating from scans|On the use of colons to indent verses inside the poem tag|Is there a correct way to link that works on both djvu pages and within the related main document.|Versions (same poem, different title)|Wikipedia citation-template style|access to ''Athenaeum'' issues|Authority control|Translation of Latin|File size limitation and actions taken|.js toolbar macro problem|Software upgrade - footer problem|Software upgrade? Table sortability is lost.|Dante's ''The New Life''|Variance to a rule is requested|It is hard to find the proofreading interface|Ability to control the display of section numbers|Extra linebreaks being inserted in Page space|Stress accents|special characters|SIGMUND FREUD|Possible_copyright_violations - Display issue on closure|Borrowing from openlibrary.org|Bot to add Authors?|1892 Jerome Agreement|Help!|Terms of Use update|Multiple authors|Help is requested for split table|government public domain|[[commons:Template:Transcribe|Template:Transcribe]]|Wikisource Junior|Cicero|Why isn't Extension:EPubExport getting more attention?|Disambiguation page for two authors with multiple collaborations?|Padlock icons|Comprehensive authors' list|Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger|Amos Sheldon|Question|Login|Page status buttons while logged out}}
*[[/2011-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop Cygnis insignis}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Default layouts (a solution)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Recent changes for a particular project|Chronicles of England, France, Spain|Table creation request|Wikimedia Foundation &quot;Answers&quot;|Hiding a column in a Wiki table|Any way to display hidden characters in edit form?|Getting a progress bar|Possibility to free some PUBLIC DOMAIN Scientific American volumes|Commonshelper 2|Replaced PSM Vol 47 djvu on the Commons and the text layer doesn't match as expected.|Perhaps we shouldn't remove line breaks|Has a CSS general paragraph indent been developed?|Print or eBooks|Volume information for EB1911|[[User:Tannertsf/Volume 6]]|Scientia (babelian-interwikisource project)|Sidenotes|Tables and classes|Federal Reporter|Cecil Sharp's ''English Folk Carols''|WWII Records|Why is Ottava Rima indefinitely banned?|[[Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 40.djvu]]|Monthly Housekeeping}}

===2012===
*[[/2012-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Greek help please|Horizontal lists|Author category sort|Noincluded text in Page namespace|JSTOR and Public domain text|Fragmented segments in ABBYY Finereader|Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants|More on sidenotes|The Iliad translated by Pope (1909)}}
*[[/2012-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Changed default to ON for Gadget Header preloader|Added what leaves here as formal gadget|OCR edit toolbar button restored}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Parameter addition for Author template?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Request of approval for bots for PSM maintenance in the main namespaces|Defaultsort for Authors with prefix}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Template subdocument Category doesn't sort|US National Archives Citizen Archivist Dashboard—Request for help|Epub|Screen capture|Public Domain Day|Bot for SUBPAGENAME|Multiple sort keys &amp; Categories|Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Runic like characters — a guide?|Featured texts|[[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 2b.djvu]]|Wikisource:Authors-xx update|Book creator tool works!|Announcing Mediawiki 1.19 beta|Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource|WorldCat|Golan v. Holder|Requesting someone more experienced to transfer a file from Commons|Category:Proposed Wikisource policy|Thanks for a fix, and an email notification question}}}}
*[[/2012-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisources' software application updated to 1.19wmf1}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal: add Worldcat ID to template:author|Constitutionality of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act copyright restoration|Page numbers}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-04#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Addihockey10 (automated)]]|Bot status for LA2-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Ink removed from footnote|Requirement to back up texts with scans?|Looking for properly typeset poems|A call to all coding wonks|Template clean-up|epub export and its about page|Linking to book tool books?|Three ideas to help proofreading|Old New Land|How to render an empty row in a table, et al.|NASA technical reports|New licence: PD-old-US|Input is sought on new categories for PSM|MediaWiki 1.19|Scan offer swap for PD-US-no-renewal and other unscanned works|Index:Buttered Side Down.djvu|Help please.|Book feature for Wikisource|Web fonts|Preload template gadget|Commons:Category:Freedom of speech - Crosswiki Sister Link project coordination|Gadget for categories — shortening to SUBPAGENAME|A help page for authors|Hidden categories|Statesman's Year-Book|Talk:Three Stories and Ten Poems/Out of Season|Messed up numbers in OCR|Copyright renewal help page|Old issues solved - new one popped up.|Looking for ancient works before 700 BC|Bottom line separated|HTML arrows with &quot;feathers&quot;?|Survey invitation|Author link template - Feedback requested..|Multi-page tables|Google Plus Hangout for Online Collaboration and Meeting|Scientists, personal notes and Wikisource|Font support for proofreading|Recommended source for Kipling's work|Piecing two Google scans together|Proposal for a help page about Author pages|Link repair request|Abuse filters|Sources in the Arabic script|Missing .djvu transclusions in Page namespace|Trigger words.|So much for being bold|Announcing a position for a Wikipedian and/or Wikisourcerer|Transcluding sections of pages|Weird line spacing|Against basic Wikimedia projects principles|Italy and Her Invaders|Help requested|Problems with URL2Commons?|appropriate knowledge and experience|Blank scan|Header2 &gt; Header|[Somewhat off-topic] Titanic White Star Line question|Problematic page|Special:MyPage/common.js|}}}}
*[[/2011-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikitech discusses sister project|Page: transclusion checker|Articles of interest and relevance from the web|New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested|Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Mediawiki upgrade to 1.20wmf2}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add Portal namespace to default search|Set default Page: namespace header to ON|Add Top icon snippet to common CSS &amp; Javascript|Proposal to change the syntax of {{tl|SIC}}|Author template links|[[Wikisource:Portal]]|Proposal to modify the {{tl|fsx}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:PSM maintenance in Page:ns}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Customizing Hesperian's cleanup() gadget with work-specific js variables: it.source way|Toolbar code for Vector|Wikisource as a reference top-icon|The use of portal links in text.|Low resolution in proofreading|Created [[Template:Language characters]] for where help is needed with character sets|Help with importing an Afrikaans Bible translation|Treaty of Versailles|New templates: {{tl|Linkable phrase start}} and {{tl|Linkable phrase end}}|Alternate invocation of {{tl|Hyphenated word start}} and {{tl|Hyphenated word end}}|A bot to remove the ? marks|TOC linking help|How does one deal with marginal glosses?|WikiGuide on Wikisource|Can't see images|Use of Licencing|Understanding author index management|Wikimedia Foundation error|Need help please!|Lamenting lack of WS useful toys and now [[m:Tech]]|Page: transclusion check tool|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{PD-RSGov}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; redundant, needs a successor|Footnote carried over to second page|Wikilinking|Copyright muddle|Baird's manual of American college fraternities|The Gallic War|Wikisource:Red link|Adding works|Pagelist question|Shelley's Stanzas|List of author page hits|[[Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)|Final Interview (Solzhenitsyn)]]|Issues log for mediawiki update to 1.19wmf1|New logo for (Marathi) Wikisource|[[Portal:English Statutes]]|Formatting of Stautes at Large|[[Bugzilla:35925]] tracking bug|Speeches|Problem with {{tl|scans}} template|[[Help:Editing poetry]]|Re: [[User:Mattwj2002/temp2]]|Wikisource in Hebrew is bombarding my site with 404 errors.|Statutes At Large|Terms of Use update|Standardizing the two most widely used font sizes of PSM|English Statutes|Correct placement of {{tl|nop}}|List of missing running headers|Upload help please|Template Review|Deletion requested|Indenting fields in a table|Crown Copyright Waiver (UK) - dead link in template etc|Table inconsistencies|Multiline brace?|Ernest Hemingway and Toronto Star}}}}
*[[/2012-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Add WSexport to sidebar|Flood option that administrators can apply}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Extemporaneous speech|Issues with upgrade to 1.20wmf1|Selecting new eras|Request|A categorization question|Authors missing Wikipedia links|Schools of Charles the Great (1911)|Wikilivres}}
*[[/2012-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:Update on IPv6|2011 Picture of the Year competition|Mobile view as default view coming soon}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:[[Wikisource:Alternate accounts]]|Proposal concerning pagequality class|Proposal to implement account registration for editing and posting}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cuneiform|Trial of thumbnail regenerator — volunteer testers?|Guidance is asked on some pages' proper namespace|Purpose of soft redirects|Gazetteer|Help with Index formatting|Footnote in a footnote|A marvellous book but no time!|Dutch wikisource|If x Then y|ISO or IPA version of a non-English work Accepted?|News?|Wikimania in DC|Can I use something similar to 'sic' inside 'source' tags for correcting code?|Doesn't seem to accept a new cropped version of an image from Commons.|Odd section behaviour in Page namespace|HaitiTrust|I HAVE 2 HAND WRITTEN DRAFTS Ronald Reagan July-September 1975}}
*[[/2011-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011 Voting is about to close]|Wikimedia Foundation Request for Comment|Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year|Development roadmap for Wikisource}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Remove &quot;Excerpt or Mixture&quot; from the index Level of Progress options|Modification to Template:header}}
**{{smaller|[[/2011-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for [[User:タチコマ robot|タチコマ robot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2011-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Exit Survey - why I quit|What to djvu?|Transclusion help|The Sanctity of Marriage: Also, These Filthy Lifestyls|Geneva Bible|Linebreaks and tables (of content)|revert help|Bot help/request|Newspaper articles|ePub and other formats|DNB content not showing|What went wrong?|[[WS:ANN]] - status?|History Periodicals|Portal header|Slow page loading|Captions?|What the heck|Footnotes and multiple columns and sections|English texts in alternative alphabets|Sidenotes overlapping/overwriting ... any css solution?|[[Portal:1001 Children's Books You Must Read Before You Grow Up]]|Invitation to British Library Editathon Saturday 4th June|Empty pages|Making one of the layouts the default|Announcing our new community liaison|Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count|Nice category intersection gadget at frWS|&quot;Help&quot; - moved from Talk:Main Page|Page breaks in the middle of a paragraph|Translation of PD-old|Erik N. Kjellesvig-Waering|Article title disambiguation|[[Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu]]|Replace image with TeX?|Spelling|US National Archives and Wikisource|Accessibility for the colour blind?|Confirming a duplication, and probably a cleanup required|[[Is There a Santa Claus]] edit|PD tag on individual pages?|Question about proposed policy page procedure|User talk:page created on it.wikisource|Request for a hold-off|Author page name rule requested|Rendering of formulas|British Library to release 250,000 out-of-copyright works|Publisher/publication name space|new tool for version comparison|Coder question|Template-generated Dublin Core metadata|Works at root level vs replicating part of a website? Are we a web library or a web archive? Is there a difference?|Reducing extension font size above header|How to reference annotations at end of book|Help with Objections to Woman Suffrage Answered|Call for image filter referendum|DjVu or copy and paste|Not proofread/proofread status|Tagging reviewed books|Can't touch this...|How to read offline|Cross-namespace redirects|Reform Month 2012|Special:Upload|Tag filters|Problem with edit image size|Using smart phone|Tact needed|A database query syntax error has occurred|Facebook page|javascript workaround for edit page image failure|Formatting handwritten sections|''History of Parliament: The Commons 1790-1820'' crown copyright question|Advice / help wanted - British Official History of World War I|Wikisource:Adminship|value of money|Search engines|Keyboard shortcuts|DFTT|Old newspapers at Google News|How to add reports in a larger collection|/*The Book With All Blank Pages */|Magical Headers|Moving Text .djvu vs .pdf|The September Dossier|Renumbering Pages|Maintenance of the Month|Statement of Permission|Need text layer move please.|Authority control|Request from Wiktionary|tooltip vs pop-up|Spell Checker|MotM: Categorization in August|EPIC/Oxford study on Wikipedia quality|Wikisource in ''ZooKeys''|Request|Proofreading project|Line breaks in categories?|Random sidebar links|AutoWikiBrowser|Promoting Wikisource, FaceBook , &amp;c.|1996|&quot;Curiosity&quot; about to land on Mars !|Years|Adding different edition of a book?|Substantial foreign language scans on English Wikisource|Wikipedia down|WikiProject Proofreading}}}}
*[[/2012-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf9]] deploying to all wikis by August 29}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Page Triage|Sidebar changes}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Was there a software update that we weren't told about?|Year parameter in the header template|mwf1.20wmf9 bug list|&quot;pages&quot; command no longer works at Welsh Wikisource|Upload file|Use of &quot;without text&quot; page status|HathiTrust scraping required|Front matter, covers, etc.|One-click &quot;Without text&quot;|Helping Wikipedia users to cite Wikisource|Category cleanup work|Transferring Files via Dropbox|Layout Choice|Something is broken}}
*[[/2012-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Poem extension updated|Legal Fees Assistance Program|Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.20/wmf12]] rollout imminenent}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Better help page index|New parameters to {{tl|dotted TOC page listing}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:HesperianBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2012-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:List of interesting books in public domain in US due to non-renewal|New dynamic layouts|British Library project|New help pages wanted|Page numbering and layout toggles missing for me|Where the heck has the OCR button gone?|Script helper to populate Index:|Migration from Category:yyyy works to year in header|Book uploads and link requests|If you know how to create a DjVu and/or PDF...|CSS field on the Index page|Transclusion|The overall progress of a project|&quot;Source&quot; and &quot;View source&quot; on protected texts - maybe a little confusing?|A proposed addition to the {{tl|ts}} template|ScanSet going away|Needed: [[Wikisource:Metadata]]|Trancluding tables|Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation|Rule problem|Unwarranted changes in the software updates|Something has changed - deprecated parameters|GLAMwiki Toolset Project|[Wikitech-l] #switch limits|[[Page:Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam.djvu/13]]|Obama's UN Speech}}}}
*[[/2012-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/Roadmap]]|Social media trial run|Changes in ProofreadPage deployed with MediaWiki 1.21-wmf3|Wikisource link in enWP's &amp;#123;&amp;#123;Infobox book&amp;#125;&amp;#125;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changes to two Proofreadpage messages|Advertising [[WS:MOTM|Maintenance of the Month]]|Changes to the {{tl|collaboration}} template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2012-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help with Proofreading US District Court Jury Verdict|&quot;Wikisource is just a hobby&quot;|The has been an ongoing discussion at the English Wiki about article erosion|[[Page:KAL801Finalreport.pdf/195]]|[[Index:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu]]|Simplifying proofreading|Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}}|Broken page|Discard Validation ?|Out of body HathiTrust experience?|Catalog of Copyright Entries|Missing Index page|Replacing the main page|Wikisource: A so-called &quot;Library&quot; consisting of Cobwebs and Staleness|Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed|''Alpine Journal''|Why's the prose class so thin?|New main page|Copyright status of reprint|Improving communication between your wiki and &quot;tech people&quot;|The Front Page --- The Daily Source|Wonderful colours|ref within a ref|Impact of page move on subpages for Byron's ''Works''|Copyright status of monograph|November is Validation Month|Suggestion for Proofreads of the Month|I am now an administrator}}

=== 2013 ===
*[[/2013-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Announcements|Announcements]]: Index fill gadget (development) {{!}} AJAX patrol {{!}} mw:MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 imminent {{!}} Special:TemplateSandbox {{!}} Purge Tab gadget}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Proposals|Proposals]]: Adding Books to the sidebar menu {{!}} Merge and redirect Wikisource:Requests for assistance to Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help {{!}} End-of-year Archiving {{!}} Twitter cards}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-02#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]: AuCoBot {{!}} Bot Confirmation || Bot Confirmation January 2013 || User:BenchBot {{!}} User:CandalBot {{!}} User:File Upload Bot (LA2) {{!}} User:InductiveBot {{!}} User:JackBot {{!}} User:JVbot {{!}} User:Mjbot {{!}} User:Pathosbot {{!}} User:Phe-bot {{!}} User:Sanbeg (bot) {{!}} User:SDrewthbot {{!}} User:SKbot {{!}} User:TarmstroBot {{!}} User:ThomasBot {{!}} User:WikitanvirBot {{!}} User:Xenophon (bot) {{!}} User:ZSBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: BUG: Transcludable sections in tables/templates {{!}} Copyright(?) status of letters written 1923/1924 {{!}} NOP {{!}} On This Date in history {{!}} Traditionally published {{!}} Self-published but yet peer reviewed original research {{!}} A peer review verification process {{!}} Dewey Defeats Truman {{!}} Wikilivres link in header templates {{!}} In the Dark {{!}} Large donation of scanned documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum (in the US) being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England ( 8 volumes &amp; many excellent illustrations ) Can we get them ? {{!}} John Cassell's Illustrated History of England on HathiTrust.Org {{!}} Odd edit window behavior {{!}} ***The Illustrated London Reading Book ***{{!}} A new category structure? {{!}} Better sorting out gadgets — feedback sought {{!}} Publishers marks {{!}} WS to eBook {{!}} New help page index {{!}} British Library scans {{!}} New § Help: Removal of adv. marks on files {{!}} Walters Art Museum seeking to partner with WikiSourcers {{!}} Categorising biographical works and parts {{!}} Author Guide lines {{!}} Getting a means for Mc that does superscript but not too high? {{!}} Marking a suspect spelling {{!}} Non-persons as authors {{!}} A touchy subject - categories {{!}} Tacitus: And Other Roman Studies (1906) {{!}} Somes questions from a beginner {{!}} noinclude tag broken? {{!}} Gender {{!}} Successful Validation Month {{!}} Relaunching the project newsletter {{!}} Public domain search {{!}} Develop a Wikisource app.? MS- Windows has an app. for Wikipedia {{!}} How about an app for Mac users {{!}} New paragraph rendering using {{tl|fs90}}, etc. {{!}} Requested namespace alias WS: {{!}} Looking for a new category. {{!}} Templates that refuse to behave as desired {{!}} Dual Columnular layout in Ruffhead (and other legislation) {{!}} FYI Wikisource:Microformat {{!}} Inconsistent template behaviour with respect to paragrpah breaks {{!}} January's featured text {{!}} Thanks {{!}} Quicker access to Commons images {{!}} 'Exotic Novels' {{!}} Newsletter relaunch {{!}} Structure of Dictionary_of_Greek_and_Roman_Biography_and_Mythology {{!}} Land Tenure in Palestine {{!}} Category:Users looking for help {{!}} Index:Napoleon's Addresses.djvu {{!}} promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com {{!}} Running header {{!}} Proposal to upload page scans for {{tl|missing image}} {{!}} Request to terminate account {{!}} Google books -&gt; archive.org request {{!}} The New Year {{!}} Introducing colour {{!}} Apparent validation glitch - is this a known issue? {{!}} Index:Biographies of Scientific Men.djvu {{!}} The top 500 sites on the web {{!}} Purpose of author pages {{!}} Proofreading dates, numbers, etc. {{!}} State of California Open Source Textbooks {{!}} Be a Wikimedia fundraising &quot;User Experience&quot; volunteer! {{!}} WikiData to Headers {{!}} PD in JSTOR {{!}} Requested move {{!}} {{tl|PD-Pre1978}} {{!}} Switch between layouts in a header template {{!}} *WikiSource Promoted via YouTube *{{!}} How to use Portal instead of Author in header? {{!}} Two efforts to make things easier for newcomers}}}}
*[[/2013-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.|Picture of the Year voting round 1 open|Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab|Canadian Wikilivres cannot import edit history|Aristotle's [[Organon|''Organon'']] released today|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf9]] released|Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]]|Removing portal review system|Add portal ns: to be a default search|Community portal|Portal classification}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-03#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:90 day warnings posted|Request for approval: Bot run for migration &amp;#123;&amp;#123;edition&amp;#125;&amp;#125; to edition &amp;#61; yes|[[User:Robbie the Robot]]|[[User:ThomasBot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Problematic|{{tl|Italic block}} template|*WikiMedia promoted via YouTube *|Copyright status of Vatican works|Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books|Scope of Wikisource, Bibliographies, ISBN|Maintenance of the Month|Lua scripting implementation (+ templates conversion/rewrite)|Categories|Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works|Walsall Labour Party is Open Licensed|Tumblr update|Download as|New Wikisource relationship with Commons, Wikidata and Wikipedia|Broken configuration for template subpages|Compulsory header|Split?|Curious about beginning a relationship between Wikisource and the Ford Presidential Library|Other than [[User:Phe-bot|Phe-bot]] (for Match and Split duties)|Works appearing within headers|DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK)|A place on WS?|Annotations, Comparisons and Translations|Copyvio|[Short_Titles_Act_1896]|Good news - got some material for us!|Picture Posters images|Procedural Delete request|search broken|Random grey blocks in a PDF from IA|[[Index:Ford manual 1919.djvu]]|Please comment on Individual Engagement Grant proposals until February 21|[[Wikisource:WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library|WikiProject Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library]]|Suggest to slightly restructure this page for WMF deployments|Bad scans|Errata|Devil's advocate on speedy validations|Wikpedia links in Emily Dickinson poems}}}}
*[[/2013-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource top page hits for works 2011-2012|Request for Comment on annotations and derivative works|[[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12|MediaWiki 1.21/wmf12]] due today}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Derivative works|Two-factor Actions}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Enhanced editing toolbar|poem gap|What to do?|Table within body of text similar to a Table of Contents|Link do Wikidata|OCR for music ?|Find and replace|Tanakh pages|We have implemented our first Lua module|[[mw:QA/Browser testing/Search features]] March 13, 2013 at 17h UTC|Meetup &amp; videostream tomorrow - focus on Lua|United States Reports needing aligning to style|US Legislation|Vanishing header and footer content|William Robert Maurice Wynne of Peniarth (1840–1909), lord lieutenant of Merioneth,|Blackletter|Wikisources asked for ideas re: Google Summer of Code|Missing image maintenance sitrep|Trailing gaps|A change in how table global style declarations work?|&quot;To be checked&quot;|[[:Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu]]}}
*[[/2013-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Announcements|Announcements]]:MediaWiki 1.22/wmf1 here now, and 1.22/wmf2 next week|[[m:Requests for comment/Interproject links interface]]|From WMF:Change to section edit links}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Changing the community collaboration?|Wikisource wizard|[[WS:Periodicals]]|[[WS:Portal]]|[[WS:Red link]]|[[WS:Extracts]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-05#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Notice of bot run: adding date category to validated indexes}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:When Validated|Request help from anyone with access to Google books|News template|Missing graphic character|Questions on POTM Talk page|Requesting permission to exceed editing limits.|authors with no work|Wikisource improvements for Summer of Code 2013|Maintenance of the Month for April 2013|Wikimedia blog post on PGDP's 25k books|Couple questions|Some suggestions|NASA technical translation|Kiwix android app — anyone played?|Social bookmarks|1000 Validated Indexes!|Most Looked at books on en WS|Seems that quotations in File/Page name screw up page numbering display in main ns|Implementing Easier and More Efficient Metadata Tags on Wikisource|[[m:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|Request for comment on inactive administrators]]|Tumblr article|Addition to Blocking Policy|Wikisource vision development: News April 2013|An inquiry about users' OS and proofreading tools|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/22|Tech news: 2013-22]]}}}}
*[[/2013-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Tumblr update|WWI Analytical and artistic works|Proposal for a WikiSource Project on Rees's Cyclopaedia (1802-1819)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Closure on bot confirmations|April's Feature Text of the Month's odt file doesn't work|Score extension (a big thank you)|[[w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Boot_Camp|GLAM Boot Camp]] workshop|OED1|[[:File:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]]|Warning on leaving edit page with unsaved changes|Anyone else lose customised buttons old toolbar?|[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming|[en] Change to section edit links|[[Index:The Relations Tolstoy.pdf]]|Button icons required|Transclusion of text from within &quot;poem&quot; tags|button button whose got the buttons ?|Comment on the (new) edit link|New button images added and an old unresolved issue|Dynamic image sizing unlocked?|More buttons for edit custom toolbar|Missing authors|Highlights|Chrome shortcut manager|Some Score issues|Page numbers for works with no scans|Examples of big jpg-indexes with content?|Second eyes requested|{{tl|brace2}} and math tag rendering|Tech newsletter: Subscribe to receive the next editions|I want my available screen space back|Copyright tags for presidential debate transcripts, among other things|[[Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old &amp; New Testament &amp; the Apocrypha.djvu]]|Music-Hall Selection...|Natural History Museum transcription project|[[:Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf]] Text complete|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/23|Tech news: 2013-23]]|Trademark discussion}}
*[[/2013-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Help test the new account creation and login|GLAM query|Translation|Extract illustrations by OCR software|Edittools|Universal Language Selector to replace Narayam and WebFonts extensions|Maintenance of the Month (June 2013)|[[:Index:CIA World Factbook(1982).djvu]]|Wiknic|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/24|Tech news: 2013-24]]|Casper's Keyboard|Blackletter is broken|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/25|Tech News: 2013-25]]|[[Template:Documentation]]|World War One|Very modern authors|Custom Regex Unicode char search.|[[:m:Requests_for_comment/X!'s_Edit_Counter|X!'s Edit Counter]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/26|Tech news: 2013-26]]}}
*[[/2013-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Vote of confidence in sysop ResidentScholar}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Mark [[Wikisource:Translations]] as Policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-08#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot Confirmation July 2013}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2013-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Width option to {{tl|Hanging indent}}|pagenum|Music and project scope|Index pages for works with more than 1K of pagelist assignments|Weird editing behavior|Oi! Who's been fiddling with the Proofread extension?|Links in tables not working for anyone else?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/27|Tech news: 2013-27]]|Vandalism to Jim Wales, &amp;c. on Proofread of the Month page|WikiProject SLQ|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Tech news: 2013-28]]|EPUB/HTML to Wikitext|Upload of Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics required, if already available at archive.org?|Parallel texts|Here I'm again....|Brief translation questions|Question/proposal 1|location, location, location|Proposal 2: template Content|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/29|Tech News: 2013-29]]|WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages; representative states he would &quot;dearly love to kill off Wikitext&quot;.|Scripts|Some questions regarding the completed works list|Local analogue of fr:Template:Table|[[Two Years' Vacation]]|Wiki Stack Exchange}}}}
*[[/2013-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource:Anniversaries|HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 28th}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Bot flag request for BrandeisBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:More on unlocking images|Twitter accounts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/30|Tech News: 2013-30]]|[[Arup kumar duty]]|Pywikipedia is migrating to git|1st Annual DPLAFest, Boston (October 2013)|Translations &amp; MoM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/31|Tech News: 2013-31]]|Hosting of works|Promoting Wikisource via YouTube|Is there copyright for dictionaries?|Reprinted works|Maintenance of the Month for August|Is there any merit in using WikiProject banners?|Superscript/Subscript annoyances|Author page links to other language Wikisources|&quot;Bollywood&quot; on WikiPEDIA|[[:Template:Cl-act-section]]|Arabic character list|Sporadic rendering of classic toolbar ...|HotCat|HTTPS for users with an account|Blog post about Score - help me write this?|Too many exclamation marks make Jack a dull boy.|Bloody Red Exclamations|Deletion Request|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Ottava Rima]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/34|Tech News: 2013-34]];|Please delete all of this book|/*HELP Please - New Zealand */}}
*[[/2013-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikisource's 10th Anniversary|Htonl: nomination for checkuser}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:To change a configuration setting concerning images|Proposal to simplify help|Display of characters in their natural order}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Gibberish text in PDF of California 9th Circuit Court decision|Template:Parameter|Creating a brochure for English Wikisource|Move to the Translation namespace|New wiki search in trial resolves issue|An additional issue with version 1.22wmf14|Gadget &quot;authority control&quot; failing, with bleeding edge browsers|[[:Hansard_(Commons)/566/40]]|Copyright status of Hayakawa's Language in Action|Why do we have two version?|Grey text|A mediawiki error message|Handling pages that require specialist skills for validation|75%|/*/*New Zealand vs New Zeland */ */|[[Puck of Pook's Hill]]|Illegible text and proofreading status.|{{tl|Talkback}} template not fully functional|It's time to reclaim the community logo|[[Template:RunningHeader-centered]]|[[:m:Community Logo/Request for consultation|Request for consultation on community logo]]|Template syntax/layout problem|RunningHeader instances with more than 25 characters}}
*[[/2013-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:English Wikisource to trial new CirrusSearch|Echo is coming to Wikisource this week}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Proposals|Proposals]]:Verifiability Requirement}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:History of the Anti Corn Law League VOLII|Anyone using custom edit tool buttons?|Transcribing audio|Reader boost due to Wikipedia's Twitter account|Draft Wikisource survey|please lend your support to this new Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange|Numerical cuneiform|Test layout border|Spacing in between maths symbols|Paragraph in references|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/40|Tech News: 2013-40]]|&quot; Wikimedia Foundation ERROR ! &quot;|[[mw:Echo|Notifications]]|Speak up about the trademark registration of the Community logo.|Paragaph for topic|Alex brollo editing tools no longer work|Copyrighted material found in ''Armistice Day''|California Highways journals|http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/|Copyright of 1949 work|Index proofreading status errors|Wikicode Issue with US Founding Documents pages|Viet Nam Era song modified: &quot;Where have all the COLORS gone - Long time passing. . . long, long, ago...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/42|Tech News: 2013-42]]|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|Formatting &amp; images help needed|[[Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvu]]|USER STATS|Source tab in the main ns is gone|Why teh search function no worky?|Links to Wiktionary (I've removed some)|Add custom character sets to WikiEditor|Phe-bot (match and split) out of order|Old US State Department country guides|&quot;Broken/&quot;?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/43|Tech News: 2013-43]]|Call for comments on draft trademark policy}}
*[[/2013-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata to support language links in January 2014|Tenth Anniversary Contest}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Make the PurgeTab gadget default|Stop deleting redirects}}
**{{smaller|[[/2013-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Approaching 1 million content pages at enWS|[[Armistice Day]]|Maintenance Reports|Collection extension in Translation namespace|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|EPUB download produces broken files?|Return of polytonic Greek|November is Validation Month|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/44|Tech News: 2013-44]]|[[Index:FizeauFresnel1859.pdf]] not displaying correct status|Introducting Beta Features|Getting scans from Hathi Trust|I am getting tired of this situation|Searching for Hawthorne - Suggestion to Improve Search Autocomplete|Reference wish list|Layout of [[Young India Pamphlet, September 1919]]|Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/45|Tech News: 2013-45]]|10th anniversary proofreading competition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/46|Tech News: 2013-46]]|Ruskin &amp; al.|highlight-area div initializing over top of categories|Thoughts on formatting|Request for div align=center-justify option|Version of South Devon Atmospheric Railway ... failed images|BETA ( &quot;Media Viewer&quot; )|Temporarily hijacking Community Collaboration for the contest|Scroll Bar on Scanned Image}}

=== 2014 ===
*[[/2014-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:EditTool is now deprecated}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/47|Tech News: 2013-47]]|Help with a tract added to [[w:Plea bargain]]|Wikisource ''Signpost'' article|&quot;Validation month&quot; &amp; &quot;10th Anniversary&quot; + personal projects clash for attention|The Hunchback of Notre-Dame (1833)|A minor request for the restoration of a feature|Fixed page width|Purge all indices?|HesperianBot|Hi|Featured texts Source criterion comments|Obvious spelling mistakes|List of all abbreviated Wiki Areas (en. es. it. ca - et cetera)|ProofReading or Page namespace issues|Scans from Google Books|.djvu files|[[Author:Srisa Chandra Vasu]]|Template:Page_break problem|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/49|Tech News: 2013-49]]|Other issues arising from recent changes|Tenth Anniversary Contest Winners|Chess Diagrams|eBook on Main Page only 6 pages long?|PD-40|[[User:ShakespeareFan00/Adventures_List]]|link at two pages|Funny &quot;Community collaboration&quot; page formatting|2014 Featured texts|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/50|Tech News: 2013-50]]|Line wrap of paragraphs - a question|[[:Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Suggestion: Please (try to) make Scriptorium topic names unique.|[[:Index:A Christmas Carol.djvu]] - Proofread in under 48 hours?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/51|Tech News: 2013-51]]|Template:New texts|Who broke EditTool?|Appropriately contextual|Multiple navigations|Idea for Wikisource - Partnership with Google Cultural Institute to create virtual museums for documents on Wikisource}}
*[[/2014-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Expand New texts}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Goals for 2014|WikiEditor button-groups overlap textarea|Reminder: Wikidata coming on January 14th|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/01|Tech News: 2014-01]]|Category suggestions requested|Overlapping of text and image in Page: namespace|[[Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/02|Tech News: 2014-02]]|Categorizations revisited|Year of publication|Header: wikidata field|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/03|Tech News: 2014-03]]|Wikimania 2014|Dynamic Layout Overriding restored|[[Index:Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 1).djvu]]|[[Index:Bradshaw's Monthly (XVI).djvu]]|Wikidata is here!|Page numbering is broken again|Sourcing an archiving bot|Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?|[[:Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Should we delete these redundant pages?|[[Du gamla, du fria]]|More strange formatting|Vandalism|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/04|Tech News: 2014-04]]|WIKIPEDIA &amp; JIM WALES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL JAN. 27th 2014|Questions about duplicate articles}}
*[[/2014-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikidata ↔ Wikisource phase 2 proposed|&amp;lt;poem&gt; tag to become &amp;lt;lines&gt;}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Facilitating interwiki bots for Wikidata migration|Pending proposals|[[mw:Extension:GettingStarted|GettingStarted extension]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Have title boxes become excessively wide?|Categorization of scanned books on Commons|TOC links|Google books and archive.org|Do we want to change the headers?|Universal Language Selector now a preference and disabled by default|[[Wikisource:Poem of the Day]]|Appeal for a checkuser ...|An interesting wiki feature behavior|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/05|Tech News: 2014-05]]|Access to data in Wikidata|HotCat reactivation fails|[[:Category:Obituaries in Popular Science Monthly]]|150,000 Validated Pages|Importing more Public Domain templates from Commons|New {{tl|Border}} template|[[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for DanielTom]]|Redundancy|Proof-reading multi-column scans|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/06|Tech News: 2014-06]]|Best practices for scan attribution|Do you think Wikipedia/Wikisource should have a Kindle (.mobi) putout?|Deletion policy for Author pages|No eBook available|What is this?|Same person? Ali ibn Husayn|Two somewhat large moves to Translation: space|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|Tech News: 2014-07]]|The History of Wikisource including a Timeline|{{tl|subpage-header}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/08|Tech News: 2014-08]]|Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014|Discussion of preliminary proposls elsewhere|Amendment to the Terms of Use|&quot;Broken Arrow&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/09|Tech News: 2014-09]]|[[Index:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu]]|Non English Work - [[Index:ΠΟΛ 1011 2011.pdf]]|Using the Modern skin - a new challenge to the coders|A note to those who are having problems with HotCat|Pipes replaced with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2014-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wellcome images made available with Creative Commons licence|World Digital Library books available on Commons in many languages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Main Page Improvements|Panel at Wikimania London in August}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[Index:Catalogue of books suitable for a popular library.djvu]]|Renewed application on Commons|Google's present presentation (to AdamBMorgan, Erasmo, &amp; anyone else creative &amp; innovative)|Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments|[[Author:Wilhelmina FitzClarence (1830-1906)|Wilhelmina FitzClarence, Countess of Munster]]|Twelve Years a Slave wins Best Picture|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/10|Tech News: 2014-10]]|Auto-generation of paragraph (pilcrow) markers message on my watchlist|British Chess Magazine|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/11|Tech News: 2014-11]]|Conversions to redirects|The Royal Society Library in London are looking for a collaboration|Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment|You can now access the data on Wikidata|fqm vs. shift left|Aid to linking authors to Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/12|Tech News: 2014-12]]|Is the PDF generator broken again?|[[:Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu]]|Add authority control gadget security block|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/13|Tech News: 2014-13]]|Translate English to English?|Wikidata search link on unconnected Author pages}}
*[[/2014-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Featured authors|Poem of the Day}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Authority Control, VIAF, and pseudonyms|Way-forward on Wikidata and Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/14|Tech News: 2014-14]]|Changes to the default site typography coming soon|This does not work|[[Author:Hillary Rodham Clinton|Hillary Rodham Clinton]] title discussion at Wikipedia|Help link in sidebar?|AutoWikiBrowser permission|[[:Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu]]|Help request|Duplicate file - Index:Ambulance 464 by Julien Bryan - What to do?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/15|Tech News: 2014-15]]|Orphaned reference|Public domain texts digitized by Google|&quot;Epigram&quot; not accounted for in PotM TOC|PDF page cropping template crops only first page, even though another page is specified|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/16|Tech News: 2014-16]]|Proofread Page extension trouble brewing?|Merge [[Author:Lester Chadwick]] with [[Author:Howard Roger Garis]]|Dealing with non-free images in transcriptions of freely licensed works|Status of Transcription Projects|Complex Interwikis|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/17|Tech News: 2014-17]]|Wright American Fiction collection|Wiki site for data tables|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/18|Tech News: 2014-18]]|[[Portal:Romanes Lecture]] as Feature Text on Main Page}}
*[[/2014-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recycling a deprecated font template name}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:A comment on the place of {{tl|nop}}|Accept URAA-affected works?|Some page images not displaying|Where did the book go|New paragraph at beginning of page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/19|Tech News: 2014-19]]|[[School Song of New R. S. J. Public School]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/20|Tech News: 2014-20]]|Gulliver's Travels|Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014|Sidebar menus no longer collapse|Leaders (dots) in table|Hathi Trust book wanted|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/21|Tech News: 2014-21]]|[[:Template:Ditto]]|Images failure|Media Viewer|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/22|Tech News: 2014-22]]}}
*[[/2014-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:If you think a gadget is broken &amp;hellip; ''aka'' jQuery updating|Wikimania panel}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:RFC: Disclosure policy}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:LGBT collaboration as part of Wiki Loves Pride 2014?|Hosting authenticated statements|ORCID|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/23|Tech News: 2014-23]]|[[:Index:Poems and extracts - Wordsworth.djvu]]|Parading my erudition|These Scripts|Questions relating to Mediawiki extensions|[[Index:Iran Air Flight 655 investigation.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/24|Tech News: 2014-24]]|Collection extension not working again?|Leaflet For Wikisource At Wikimania 2014|Quick question for a US collaborator|Index talk remarks template|Wikisource usage statistics; enWS hits visually classified according to type of page accessed through a pie chart|Okay, so now. ....|[[Index:Historical Works of Venerable Bede vol. 2.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/25|Tech News: 2014-25]]|Wikilink policy: how do we handle external links?|Technical Assistance|Twitter: WeAreWikipedia|[[:Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu]] Proofread.|Pages I've validated|Can someone verify this single page document?|Using only [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload Wizard|UploadWizard]] for uploads|Cryptanlysis works|Media Viewer is now live on this wiki|Not seeing a sidebar in monobook for [[Special:UnconnectedPages]]|Cirrus Search updates (with 1.24wmf10)|[[:Index talk:To the Victor Belongs the Spoils.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/26|Tech News: 2014-26]]|Should {{tl|w}} be deprecated?|[[Index:Wind in the Willows.djvu]]|Scripts for flagging tedious minor corrections whilst proofreading.}}
*[[/2014-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Identifying any Toolserver links|Vector skin: Thumbnail style update}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles|[[WS:Annotations]]|[[WS:Wikilinks]]|Propose search change in typeahead lookup|Proposal to reduce the line height of references|Update 'regex menu framework' gadget to TemplateScript|Propose to keep {{tl|nop}} sidebar tool|Amend &quot;process&quot; for deletions, so that 'undercut' deletion is explicitly disallowed.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-09#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:Reconfirm [[User:Cswikisource-bot]]|Reconfirm [[User:LA2-bot]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Constant script errors|Interwiki links|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/27|Tech News: 2014-27]]|Attention template developers: Changes to entity reference handling in #ifeq and #switch|Old work needs some modernising|Video and audio transcripts?|British Library books|Possible ''topical'' WikiProjects?|United Nations Security Council Resolution category names|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/28|Tech News: 2014-28]]|Please do not attack the admins|Index transition between pages|Proposal for online Edit-a-thon event for Complete Works of Lenin|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/29|Tech News: 2014-29]]|Dotted TOC series of templates can be problematic|Google Search and wikisource.org|Index:WALL STREET IN HISTORY.djvu upload|Annotation policy|Chronicling America|[[Index:Great Speeches of the War.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/30|Tech News: 2014-30]]|Mainspace styling?|Editor Bar|The New Yorker|WP BUT NOT WS|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/31|Tech News: 2014-31]]|The Film Daily|Request for un-deletion of pages|[[:Index:The Lost World.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/32|Tech News: 2014-32]]|Long-s|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/33|Tech News: 2014-33]]|A question about templates being specified in the Index page|Popup note/tooltip|Help please: &quot;Bringing in the books&quot;|Proofread of the Month|Wellcome library 19th-century medical books digitisation project|Grey edit background code for the Page namespace|Bugzilla for blackletter font|[[Index:Calcutta, Old and New.djvu]]|[[:Index:Comp3-pre-0415.pdf]]|Administrator votes of confidence|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/34|Tech News: 2014-34]]|[[:Index:Common Sense in the Nursery.djvu]]|Adminship question|Rename Request|[[Page:Presentation Wikipedia for India.pdf/1]]|Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions|Process ideas for software development|[[:Index:On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids are Fertilised by Insects, and on the Good Effects of Intercrossing.djvu]]|[[:Index:Memoirs of the Queensland Museum Vol VI.djvu]]|Rename [[:Index:Oliver Twist.djvu]] to [[:Index:Oliver Twist (Vol-1 of 3).djvu]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Spam activity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/35|Tech News: 2014-35]]|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|New font style/size in edit mode, etc.}}}}
*[[/2014-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:User global javascript and css configuration|Phabricator to replace bugzilla end of September|Please be kind to the cleaning crew|Scroll-wheel in ProofreadPage|mul: interwiki now exists}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:A template that causes links to Wikipedia to appear in dark blue|Asking for input on category name for images of technical and instructional support of WS}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing|User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2014-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What do you want from search?|Steps|Internet Archive releases 2.4 million images scanned from pre-1923 books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/36|Tech News: 2014-36]]|[[Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|Grants to improve your project|Status check. [[:Index:The Great Secret.djvu]]|[[Index:A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1.djvu]]|Where is everyone?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/37|Tech News: 2014-37]]|Licensing of a re-edition of [[Flora of Northumberland and Durham]]|Echo and watchlist|Change in renaming process|Link templates that change default colours — seeking opinions|[[:Index:The London Gazette 28314.pdf]]|[[:Index:Q Horati Flacci Carminum librum quintum.djvu]]|[[:Index:John Wycliff, last of the schoolmen and first of the English reformers.djvu]]|Statutes of Wales.|EbyDict project|[[:Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/38|Tech News: 2014-38]]|Post-Reformation Digital Library|Change to the enhanced toolbar, again?|Javascript changes coming soon (&quot;All your scripts are going to break&quot; edition)|Malaya papers|Localisation needed [[:File:Survival of the Fittest, JC Squire, 1916.djvu]]|[[m:File metadata cleanup drive]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/39|Tech News: 2014-39]]|[[Illustrated London News]]|[[:Index:The Monkey's Paw.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|Identfying authors|[[:Index:The young Moslem looks at life (1937).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/40|Tech News: 2014-40]]|[[Talmud]] seems a need to be tidied}}}}
*[[/2014-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Announcements|Announcements]]:A Unicode character map|Internet Archive Book/Flickr images}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] utilising this locally|Copyright checking ( Fancy dresses described : or, What to wear at fancy balls)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/41|Tech News: 2014-41]]|[[:File:Lowell Fg.VII..png]]|Request for Info on Wikisource GLAM collaboration|American Revolutionary War|[[Bible (Jewish Publication Society 1917)]] and [[Tanakh]]|1500 validated indexes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/42|Tech News: 2014-42]]|Index: namespace fill gadget should now be functional|[[Author:Emily Dickinson]]|Author:Thomas Edison|Every page header gone awry|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/43|Tech News: 2014-43]]|Image licensing paperwork|Metadata|Meta RfCs on two new global groups|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/44|Tech News: 2014-44]]}}
*[[/2014-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Standard handling of Errata|Utilising global spam filters}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:[[User:Recitation-bot|Recitation-bot]] testing}}
**{{smaller|[[/2014-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:HHVM revealing new weirdness|Is there a way to view short pages needing reviewed?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/45|Tech News: 2014-45]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/46|Tech News: 2014-46]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/47|Tech News: 2014-47]]|Wikisource on front page of en:Wikipedia|[[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding]]|A User with a message|''Fat-fingered key''|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/48|Tech News: 2014-48]]}}

===2015===
*[[/2015-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:User Research - sign-up to help out}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:User:Wikisource-bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Epub ebook download|[[Index:The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Volume I.pdf]]|Every so often -|Successful Validation Month|What is the mediawiki code editor's font-style and size?|Display Middle Age text's capital U as V|Search engine visibility of wikisource content|Validated works' category browser|Copyright Sanity Check|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/50|Tech News: 2014-50]]|[[:Index:US Senate Report on CIA Detention Interrogation Program.pdf]]|Forth Bridge (1890)|Help with drop initail image|The Condor title page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/51|Tech News: 2014-51]]|[[:Category:PD-UN]]|Wikilivres down?|[[:Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 24.djvu]]|The display options of the main namespace are in the garage for repair?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/52|Tech News: 2014-52]]|Multiple translations with different title|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/01|Tech News: 2015-01]]|What to do with a work that has no source scan, when a sourced copy is added|Meaning of the phrase&quot;pursuit of happiness&quot; in the preamble U.S.Constitution?}}
*[[/2015-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based|Import the Early English Books Online project (Phase I)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:Index:The Botanical Magazine, Volume 2 (1788).djvu]]|[[:Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu]]|Requesting scan of missing Mary Wollstonecraft work|Pardon my ignorance.|[[:Index:The Book of the Damned (Fort, 1919).djvu]]|Trevor Allen|Copyright Sanity check (Protect and Survive)|Plans to move Cite configuration from wikitext messages to CSS styles|Wikisource Community User Group|LST|Pagelists|Uploading large files|[[:Index:Our Sister Republic - Mexico.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]]|[[:Index:The origin and deeds of the Goths in English version.djvu]]|facebook.com/Wikisource|OCR Gadget|New effort to help &quot;wikiprojects&quot; and collaboration|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/04|Tech News: 2015-04]]|PDF generation problems|New Texts link|Template:{{tl|Ollist}}|[[Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/32]]|May I submit my own illustrations?|section edit options are missing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/05|Tech News: 2015-05]]|Navigation of sub-subpages}}
*[[/2015-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:Recommendation for proofreading by unregistered users}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Survey|Page status checker is not working|Cannot put hatnotes etc above header|Text quality template and categories|Art|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/06|Tech News: 2015-06]]|A little question about the Featured Text|annoying &quot;Legend&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/07|Tech News: 2015-07]]|Categorisation: works by author?|An alternative way to mark page breaks|Help translating German front page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/08|Tech News: 2015-08]]|{{tl|fqm}} after a gap|[[:Template:Cdm]]|Editing/Adding/uploading - Improvement of the Mind|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/09|Tech News: 2015-09]]|Help with formatting|Wikimania 2015 scholarships|Duplicates ?}}
*[[/2015-05|May]]{{smaller|:Milestones achieved|Canada to lengthen copyright terms for sound recordings}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Proposals|Proposals]]:Possible bot to determine relevant popular wikipedia pages|Categorization for authors born before 1900|Long s template}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[:File:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[Global proposal] m.{{SITENAME}}.org: {{int:group-all}} {{int:right-edit}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/10|Tech News: 2015-10]]|Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content|Commons user attempting to delete files used to verify documents at Wikisource|Explaining Wikisource, why it's valuable, and how to get involved|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/11|Tech News: 2015-11]]|&quot;Layout&quot; option in index-transcluded pages disappeared|Untangling the Web|Input for improving integration of Wikidata in watchlists needed|SUL finalization update|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/12|Tech News: 2015-12]]|[[:Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu]]|[[:Page:US Patent 755840 (Bose's Microwave Apparatus).djvu/2]]|Two toolbars simultaneously ?|Hinky djvus at EB1911|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/13|Tech News: 2015-13]]|Text justification|Wikipedia Signpost interview|Forth Bridge|Interesting blog post: VIAF and Wikidata|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/14|Tech News: 2015-14]]|Category per author|Footer in mobile view|Possibility of a &quot;Sister projects&quot; report in the Wikipedia Signpost|Reasons for changing the toolbar icons?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/15|Tech News: 2015-15]]|Charinsert macrons are in the wrong order|Stewards confirmation rules|Questions about some formatting changes since being somewhat inactive|If there are more than two translations|What is the wikisource policy about incorporation of amendments to Law pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/16|Tech News: 2015-16]]|Wikidata property for letters|CharInsert request|footer string - what to do?|Have a look into the future|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/17|Tech News: 2015-17]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/Call for candidates|Nominations are being accepted for 2015 Wikimedia Foundation elections]]|Problems with Act of Congress template|Page blanking|request for creation of a template available on Wikipedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/18|Tech News: 2015-18]]|Support request with team editing experiment project|GRAPH extension is now live everywhere!}}
*[[/2015-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Proposals|Proposals]]:Charinsert modification proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checking a .djvu for missing pages|Formatting a sidenote|Renaissance/Early modern categories|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections 2015/MassMessages/FDC voting has begun|Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015]]|OCR not showing|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/19|Tech News: 2015-19]]|Sources of free books|delete Author page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/20|Tech News: 2015-20]]|Wikidata and arbitrary access|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming|No File - [[:Index:Life of Emanuel Swedenborg, with Some Account of His Writings.Djvu]]|Authority control VIAF|[[Index:The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 (uksi 19960341 en).pdf]]|Halsbury|Veracity of [[Constitution of India]] as 1949 document|Embroidered Wikisource logo|How is &quot;Provincial Geographies of India: Burma&quot; in the public domain?|[[:Template:Sans]]|[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/339?setlang=en Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015]|Jennifer Baptiste Primus - a female trade union leader from Trinidad and Tobgo|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/21|Tech News: 2015-21]]|Another major item done|[[Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/24]]|ODNI release|Signatory property on Wikidata|[[:Template:OGL3]]|DjVu file okay at Commons but looks faulty from here|Wikisource in print|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/22|Tech News: 2015-22]]|Page blanking activity|OCR broken|Dawn Over India source|Need a simple request to be fulfilled|OCR Was working but isn't now|Newly validated works|[[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|Templates to merge|Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is here|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/23|Tech News: 2015-23]]|Multi-lingual proofing}}
*[[/2015-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Announcements|Announcements]]:An interesting article about font history}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Proposals|Proposals]]:Move the authority control template to the bottom-most position}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-07#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account SHSPbot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:New Gadget|Sister Project Links in En-Wiki Navigational Boxes|Is there a newly introduced feature?|Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core|Work by Wodehouse|Proposal for addition in Authority Control|Quotation marks at the beginning of each line?|Special Characters in Toolbar for edits|mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements -&gt; Module:Authority control|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/24|Tech News: 2015-24]]|[[:Index:Principleofrelat00eins.djvu]]|Should a title end in a period|Associated Press renewals|app for iPad for Wikisource?|What is the rationale for not allowing categories for the subject of an article?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/25|Tech News: 2015-25]]|HTTPS|Renewal by proxy|Subject:Joe Foo|Proposal on Wikidata for Wikisource|Author name confusion|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/26|Tech News: 2015-26]]|A list of libraries|Why do we delete links to Wikipedia in our hosted texts?|Why do we delete incomplete transcripts?|Does Wikisource demand we use the related_author field?|Interaction detente|Easter egg links to Wikipedia|Linking to Wikipedia|Annotations, typos, and errors|[[:File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf]]|No file [[Index:Creativecommons bylaws.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/27|Tech News: 2015-27]]|Image captions in [[:Index:The Jungle Book.djvu]]|We need more validators}}}}
*[[/2015-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Proposals|Proposals]]:Template and its documentation deletion proposal}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Famous passages as separate works|No file [[:Index:Economic and Social Council Resolution 2007-25.pdf]]|Would like to add the Garnett translation of Dead Souls|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices, II (1984).pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/28|Tech News: 2015-28]]|[[The World Factbook (1982)]]|2015 Wikimania meetup|Limitations on author pages|[[:Index:British Reptiles, Amphibians, and Fresh-water Fishes.djvu]]|[[:Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/29|Tech News: 2015-29]]|[[:Index:The pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan every child can read (1909).djvu]]|Marx in English from USSR|Broadcast free information from space!|Transcribing Bilingual Parallel Texts on English Wikisource|[[:Page:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu/181]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/30|Tech News: 2015-30]]|Two questions about Swahili Tales|Commons category in {{tl|plain sister}}|For those who like long s|[[:File:William Tell Told Again.djvu]]|[[Index:Armistice Day.djvu]]|[[Index:Sheet Metal Drafting.djvu]]|Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images|[[:Index:1918 Engineer Notebook small.pdf]] Status check|Full page, landscape table|Block move request[[:Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu]]|Out of Scope articles? =|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/31|Tech News: 2015-31]]|[[:Index:French Polynesia.pdf]]|What does a Healthy Community look like to you?}}
*[[/2015-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:International Wikisource Conference, Vienna - November 20-22, 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Split the scriptorium?|Updating obsolete gadgets|Down with unnecessary WS banners.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-10#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account KasparBot|request for bot flag on account YiFeiBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2015-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Need to edit a copy-protected page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/32|Tech News: 2015-32]]|quote before dropped initial|Future of Authority control on English Wikisource|Author template now will pull image from Wikidata if not specifically chosen|Wikisource celebrates Public Domain Day?|Scanned books from the Archaeological Survey of India|Upload to Commons: an innovation|Author/section fields for anthologized works|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/33|Tech News: 2015-33]]|creating [[Special:MyPage/EditCounterOptIn.js]]|[[Author:Georges Perrott]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/34|Tech News: 2015-34]]|New namespaces?|Epubs produced from enWS|How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?|New feature &quot;Watch changes in category membership&quot;|Bug in WikiEditor?|1901 work with 2000 copyright notice|Genealogical works from Peter Crombecq|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/35|Tech News: 2015-35]]|Some maintenance work that I am considering|Proposing to only list top level of a work as a featured text|Wanted: A really awesome tool for extracting images and uploading them to Commons.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/36|Tech News: 2015-36]]|{{strikethrough|New typography: Am I going blind?}}|Enclosure Act for Shifnal|Updated links to WSEXPORT (WS reader export)|Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/37|Tech News: 2015-37]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/38|Tech News: 2015-38]]|Labs: Possibility of broken tools|[[WS:FTC]]|ProofreadPage support in pywikibot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/39|Tech News: 2015-39]]|Display issues of our works in mobile view|Validation request|Interlanguage link?|What's hidden by the local Watchlist|Grant submission|Action: Purging Index: namespace pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/40|Tech News: 2015-40]]|Reimagining WMF grants report|Toolbar button for curly quotes|Announcement: [Wikidata] Input requested for 'editing on a client' project}}}}
*[[/2015-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot flag on account BD2412bot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Grants:PEG/WCUG Wikisource/Wikisource Conference 2015]]|Oxford Transcribe-a-thon, 12 October|I knew it!!!!|New project [[Wikisource:WikiProject Biographical dictionaries]]|Author I.D Request|&quot;About&quot; page on epub|[[:Index:DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/41|Tech News: 2015-41]]|Authors that are more than individual|ALERT: Tables and terminating row markers|Index:Verne - Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Parke, 1911.djvu|Away until mid-October.|Reference check &quot;Alumni Dublinenses&quot; p.764 required|Delete UP|WikiHiero Extension|[[:Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/42|Tech News: 2015-42]]|Images and captions|Splitting some hairs|{{tl|scan}} question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/43|Tech News: 2015-43]]|Refs|Adding page scans for a text already on WikiSource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/44|Tech News: 2015-44]]}}
*[[/2015-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#BOT approval requests|BOT approval requests]]:request for bot run permission for AkBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2015-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Automating creation of Index files for 800+ documents from UNESCO|pdf downloads from Wikisource|Free EEBO|The strange case of William James Hickie|Book upload from Hathitrust|Best practice and status of support for TEI|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu]]|Help someone fix a small bug in your code project: It's Google Code-In time!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/45|Tech News: 2015-45]]|Code fix|Update on long standing problem with large corrupted files|epub export|Replacing a page scan in a book?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/46|Tech News: 2015-46]]|Report from University of Oxford Transcribe-a-thon|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 1|Wikimania 2016 scholarships ambassadors needed|Line number display error|Speedy deletion of an Index|Looking for advice regarding [[Index:The Condensed Vocal Parts to the Carols for Christmas-tide.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/47|Tech News: 2015-47]]|Unified watchlist feature??|Is &quot;Scan resolution in edit mode&quot; working?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/48|Tech News: 2015-48]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Free Bassel/MassMessages/2015 Free Bassel banner straw poll|Your input requested on the proposed #FreeBassel banner campaign]]|Molluscs at Naturalis metadata|Clearing the Wikimedia commons caches?|[[: Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]}}

===2016===
*[[/2016-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:&quot;Proofreading&quot; toolbar not appearing|Community Wishlist Survey - Phase 2|Images in [[:Index:The chemical history of a candle.djvu‎]]|Can a version page have only one blue-link edition entry?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/50|Tech News: 2015-50]]|Link tables (again)|Not sure why we bother with Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/51|Tech News: 2015-51]]|Comments over Gadget 2.0 news|Text wrapping script or gadget?|What IdeaLab campaigns do you want to see?|Recognising recorded biographical detail in author template?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 15|Get involved in Wikipedia 15!]]|Beta tool : Completion suggester|[[:Index:Compendium of US Copyright Office Practices (1973).pdf]]|Password Strength RFC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/52|Tech News: 2015-52]]|Community Wishlist Survey results|Ruffhead Transcription|Entries in pagelists|Table termination|Missing pages in scans|Northwestern University engineering students error correcting|Compendium I}}
*[[/2016-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Achievements in 2015}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Wikimedia Foundation seeking feedback about message notifications}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Checker|Wikimania 2016: call for proposals is open!|Copyright query|Mrs Beeton 1907|New year|''[[Index:Art of Cookery 1774 edition.djvu|Art of Cookery]]''|Sponsorship applications for Wikimania 2016 — close 9 January|Template limit|[[Wikisource:News]]|A Gadget bug|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/02|Tech News: 2016-02]]|Mein Kampf|Technical question: &quot;offset&quot; annotation tools|[[Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|1923 copyright|[[The Hog (Hodgson)]]|Wikidata in Australia — some opportunities|Use of &quot;A&quot; and &quot;The&quot; in disambiguation pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/03|Tech News: 2016-03]]|2016 WMF Strategy consultation|CC0 texts about artworks at the Rijksmuseum|no header tag|Importing another wiki|Creator namespace creation tool for Commons|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/04|Tech News: 2016-04]]|“Free the Law” initiative|Caption to the top, to the left.|''Future IdeaLab Campaigns'' results|Vote of confidence}}
*[[/2016-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Announcements|Announcements]]:New feature “Watch changes in category membership}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Proposals|Proposals]]:A somewhat important link is missing|To delete {{tl|Quote style}}}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:RileyBot}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Kindle users: Please check mobi export form|Bible|Discourse (software) for the Wikisource mailing list?|Automatic image extraction|Warning boxes at top of page|Style clarification on the mdash requested|Revered shape?|Index pages, with no/redlinked Author(s)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/05|Tech News: 2016-05]]|wikisource template on Wikipedia|Figure extraction|Relocating figures between pages when proofreading -|Sound file placement|Publishers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/06|Tech News: 2016-06]]|Diary of Anne Frank takedown|On black holes...|Wikidata infrastructure: DNB case, state of the art|Propose WSexport gadget is turned on by default|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/08|Tech News: 2016-08]]}}}}
*[[/2016-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Announcements|Announcements]]:Wikilegal Copyright of Political Speeches}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Proposals|Proposals]]:Neutralize the superfluous message of the {{tl|nop}} Gadget|One portal for various fictional works?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Clarification on copyright of a book and its images.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/07|Tech News: 2016-07]]|Letter case of book's title|Graphing page view data|{{tl|interwiki-info}} non-functional|Wikimania 2016: call for posters, discussions and trainings|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/09|Tech News: 2016-09]]|Everything is probably going to &quot;break&quot; for 10 or 15 minutes later this month|[[m:Grants:Inspire|Inspire Campaign: Making our content more meaningful]]|[[Lucifer Myth]] and other pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/10|Tech News: 2016-10]]|Author pages linked to Wikidata items with several images|Opinions sought about potential index do-over|A History of Costume (Kohler)|Two questions about a book upload|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/11|Tech News: 2016-11]]|Open call for Individual Engagement Grants|For maintenance Category:Works with non-existent author pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/12|Tech News: 2016-12]]|Importance of Author pages|Internet Archive no longer creates DjVu-files!|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/13|Tech News: 2016-13]]}}
*[[/2016-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Announcements|Announcements]]:Beta: Create a VisualEditor plugin to integrate with Wikisource|Use sortable tables instead list items to list works|Breaking down some heavily used categories}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[U.S. Supreme Court Style Manual]]!|Problem identified — long tables not wrapping over printed pages (pdf/epub/...)|Pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;math&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; markup|English Translations of Puranas|April PotM needed|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/14|Tech News: 2016-14]]|Most viewed books with chapters|Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 - duplicate legislation needs review and possibly merging|Importing partial completed predominantly English text from Telugu wikisource|OCR not working?|Need an example linking to sections in main name space, transcluded from the page name space.|Edit check request|Bradshaw anyone?|The REshapign of British Railways|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/15|Tech News: 2016-15]]|Top 100 downloads using WSexport tool|Penguin Classics (or any publisher)|Archive.org not creating djvu?|Fill pages with OCR from PDF|Footnote on page without marker in the text|Requesting a GeoNotice for a local event in San Francisco|Server switch 2016|Big Birthdays|Proposal to globally ban WayneRay from Wikimedia|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/16|Tech News: 2016-16]]|Announce: Unique Devices data available on API|[[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/17|Tech News: 2016-17]]|Wikisource sessions at Open Educational Resources conference|\mathop not functioning, asking for the replacement of Math extension by SimpleMathJax|Further evidence regarding Author pages|Patching DjVu files|New POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/18|Tech News: 2016-18]]|OCR gadget messes up the editing environment|PetScan: maintenance tool available for enWS|[[Pollyanna]], move to disambiguate or replace?|TOC template and &quot;overuse&quot;?|pages tag without a self-closing slash|Finger-Prints for Everybody from the Literary Digest|Proposed WikiProject merger|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/19|Tech News: 2016-19]]|Proofreading works with some language the proofer doesn't know|Newbie question - apostrophes and quote marks|Hathitrust|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/20|Tech News: 2016-20]]|A new &quot;Welcome&quot; dialog|Desirability of manuscripts in Wikisource?|Tool &quot;Cite this page&quot;|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/21|Tech News: 2016-21]]|Recent IP additions of constitutions|Shakespeare|Stalled progress|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/22|Tech News: 2016-22]]|Tool for transfer to IA|main namespace page link position needs adjustment|Wikidata and Wikisource|Wikisource Showcase at the University of Edinburgh for Repo-Fringe on 2nd August|[[Algiers Accords]]?|Deletion at Commons|Londonjackbooks featured on the Wikimedia Blog|Template:Center does not center-align &lt;math&gt;|Entries number as sidenotes: which template to use?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/23|Tech News: 2016-23]]|Wikiradio|Clashing sidenotes|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/24|Tech News: 2016-24]]|New International Encyclopaedia ambiguous link|Request for comment: When to use /VOLUME N/ subpages or continue with flat naming|The Cathedral and the licensing issues it creates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/25|Tech News: 2016-25]]|Possible &quot;portal&quot; links on content pages|FT nominations needed|Proofread tools gone from edit menu|English translation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic|Don't forget the mailing list|How to archive old posts from the Scriptorium?|Troubles with {{Tl|iwpage}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/26|Tech News: 2016-26]]|[[:Index:Agreement concerning migration of Filipino labor for employment in British North Borneo.pdf]]|Press Release|Visual Editor now in article space|Connecting SCOTUS documents on Wikisource (and then, Wikidata)|Zines?|Duplicate book|Pages not part of text|[[Template:hyphenated word start]] and italics|Minor bug in the main namespace header template|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/27|Tech News: 2016-27]]|Page move|Open call for Project Grants|hyphenated word across multiple pages|Are all works here in the public domain?|Author pages, templates are all messed up. . . . ?|Working with an archive|How to handle notes at the end of book|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/28|Tech News: 2016-28]]|List formatting for accessibility and sensible HTML|Self-closing HTML tags being now being tagged for future obsolescence maintenance|WMF announcement: Stripping Question Marks From Wiki Searches}}
*[[/2016-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:250,000 Validated Pages|Coming event: Wikisource OCR demo}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Proposals|Proposals]]:Importing pre-1923 works from Canadian Wikilivres|Make the OCR gadget a default gadget|Making &amp;lt;pages&amp;gt; more flexible?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Index:Ministry to US Catholic LGBTQ Youth - A Call for More Openness and Affirmation.pdf ]]}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:What free software and web resources do you use when contributing to Wikisource?|Seeing display difference between logged-in and not|'Image missing' template floating to the top on transcribed pages?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/29|Tech News: 2016-29]]|[[The Last of the Tasmanians]] needs a map — Hathi Trust?|Which tags are excluded in a page footer?|Index:A-Kentucky-Woman-Dec1892-NationalBulletin.jpg|Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas.djvu|First contribution to Wikisource|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/30|Tech News: 2016-30]]|pline woes|[[:Index:Wew.pdf]]|Two new developments|What is this tooltip trying to say?|Two index pages for 'N Rays'?|Page numbering|Is there a point to WikiProjects?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/31|Tech News: 2016-31]]|Over 100 discussions in this list|Encountering delays from Wikisource when trying to edit|[[:Index:Revelations_of_divine_love_(Warrack_1907).djvu]]|No transclusion|Alert: Minor change made to &quot;Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js&quot;|[[:Index:Faoistin naoṁ-Ṗadraig (1906).djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/32|Tech News: 2016-32]]|Should existing text-only (no scan) works be retained in addition to scan-backed works?|book upload - public domain reprint - redacting newer content|Save/Publish|IA upload tool is making djvu|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/33|Tech News: 2016-33]]|Braces formatting help, please|Encoding problem in archive|Proposal: replace {{tl|translation redirect}} with substituted {{tl|dated soft redirect}}|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/34|Tech News: 2016-34]]|Announce: New functionality: cross-wiki search results}}}}
*[[/2016-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Announcements|Announcements]]:[[User:Eclecticology]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Proposals|Proposals]]:Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP)}}
**{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Removal of local authority control data}}
**{{smaller|{{smaller|[[/2016-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Copyright problems which may arise from secondary sources.|Disambiguation and Wikidata items — a conundrum with no perfect solution|[[:w:Classics Illustrated|Classics Illustrated]]|Image required for [[On the Vatican Library of Sixtus IV]]|Proofread of the month|Non-free images in otherwise copyright-free material|Project Scanning books|FT blurb help|Clara Bell or Dell?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/35|Tech News: 2016-35]]|Deprecating the &quot;long s&quot; template|Wikinews|no red lines when proofing a page|New job|Unofficial Wikimedia Discord server|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/36|Tech News: 2016-36]]|RevisionSlider|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/37|Tech News: 2016-37]]|Missing customized editing toolbar|Open call for Project Grants|Copyright question with due diligence but still unsure|Two page format issues|Petscan and subpages|Do we have HathiTrust access?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/38|Tech News: 2016-38]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/39|Tech News: 2016-39]]|Grants to improve your project}}}}
*[[/2016-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource on Wiktionary|Does this seem right to others?|Character within text|Re: typoscan.js documentation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/40|Tech News: 2016-40]]|Creative Commons 4.0|{{tl|FI}} template seems to not be working correctly...|[[:Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/41|Tech News: 2016-41]]|FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/42|Tech News: 2016-42]]|A Greek sentence|Linking to wikipedia|A Wikisource maintenance question|More of a question than a request for help|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/43|Tech News: 2016-43]]|Help on &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Internet connection problems|Looking for your advice on software development|Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now|Suggested update for the common.css|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/44|Tech News: 2016-44]]}}
*[[/2016-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2016-12#Other|Other]]:Author pages without a license — maintenance {{!}} Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf}}

===2017===
*[[/2017-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Announcements|Announcements]]:2016 Community Wishlist Survey}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Proposals|Proposals]]:A plethora of cache controls {{!}} Removing NARA from the Main page Proofread of the month box}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:Fluxbot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Repairs (and moves)|#Repairs (and moves)]] Author:Edward Stanley (1779–1849) {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Information about Presidential Electors and where to put them|Maintenance backlog: Works with non-existent author pages|CIA on UFO|Line spacing in main namespace|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/45|Tech News: 2016-45]]|Font on work|[[:Index:The Church hymnary (1893).djvu]]|Password reset|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/46|Tech News: 2016-46]]|Search template question|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/11|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/47|Tech News: 2016-47]]|Family records related to Charles McMicken and the American_Colonization_Society|New template for &quot;ditto&quot;|Open Publication License compatibility|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/48|Tech News: 2016-48]]|A template conundrum|Help test offline Wikipedia|Transcludable list of index pages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/49|Tech News: 2016-49]]|Looking for an ordinary user who wants to make things better|[[The Grammar of Heraldry]] could do with some TLC|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/50|Tech News: 2016-50]]|[[The_Grammar_of_Heraldry/Index]]|[[:Index:A general history for colleges and high schools (Myers, 1890).djvu]]|{{tl|missing image}} floating to the top of the page again|New way to edit wikitext|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2016/12|Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-12]]|PD recorded books|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2016/51|Tech News: 2016-51]]|Note: default Popops activated by mistake, now deactivated|Maintenance/cleanup of [[Wikisource:Requested texts]]?|Wikisource-related updates made at English Wikipedia|Ligature templates: failed substitutions|A simple question about the {{tl|anchor}}|Template:S|New template to replace magic words {{!}} Didache: opinions on what this has morphed to {{!}} Category:Author pages with no gender {{!}} The meaning of hosting {{!}} Wehrmachtbericht question {{!}} Why is this author disambiguated? {{!}} This month's featured text of the main page, and proofread of the month {{!}} Tech News: 2017-02 {{!}} Request: Update to Special:Import wikis {{!}} Mediawikiwiki {{!}} Update Oldwikisource {{!}} Support/Oppose/Comment/Questions {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-03 {{!}} Index:Bukvar staroslovenskoga jezika glagolskimi pismeni za čitanje crkvenih knjig.djvu {{!}} Wikisource meeting in January? {{!}} Enhancing PDF output {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-01 {{!}} Tech News: 2017-04 {{!}} Regarding portals {{!}} Links to wikisource in wikipedia {{!}} AWB/bot Request {{!}} Requested move {{!}} Request moves of Certain U.S. Presidents {{!}} Sub-request {{!}} Categories and {{tl|plain sister}} {{!}} Tech News: 2017-05 {{!}} Some custom Wikidata queries about WS {{!}} SEARCH: Subphrase matching {{!}} Index:Paper and Its Uses.djvu}}
*[[/2017-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Announcements|Announcements]]:Project by New Law College Pune}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Proposals|Proposals]]:Font-style and font-size of layout 2 of display options|Proposal to upgrade User:Dr. Sapna Deo user rights to account creator}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:PhD theses from Edinburgh University|Refactoring dates in the author template|Possible bot|[[Index:The_pilgrims_progress_as_originally_published_by_John_Bunyan_;_being_a_facsimile_of_the_first_edition_(1878).djvu]]|[[Digha Nikaya]] ... to a portal?|Tyronian ''et''|Missing sections|What would you like done about &quot;found&quot; dates of death or birth?|[[:Index:Majjhima Nikāya.djvu]]|Disambiguation in Translation: namespace|Matthew Henry's earlier edition|[[:Index:The International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes.pdf]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/06|Tech News: 2017-06]]|Proofread progress bar|CIA UFO reports|Errata - because life is never simple|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]]|Orphaned pages of deleted index.|De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/07|Tech News: 2017-07]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/02|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-02]]|Script created for assisting Fourier/FFT/descreening/half-tone removal workflows|Author template|Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process|How to edit a typo?|Short titles|Read later|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/08|Tech News: 2017-08]]|Footnote groups?|Display of floruit dates from Wikidata|Trinity's Access to Research Archives — plenty of downloads available|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/09|Tech News: 2017-09]]|[[:Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu]] {{!}} I need some feedback about Index:History of Greece Vol I.djvu}}
*[[/2017-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu {{!}} Archaic spelling in titles... {{!}} Announcement: Change to transclusion checker tool {{!}} HTH moment {{!}} Tech News: 2017-10 {{!}} Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process {{!}} Problematic work Indian Copyright Law {{!}} Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvu {{!}} Publishers logos are being reorganized on the Commons {{!}} Book downloads with the Featured download template {{!}} Search failure {{!}} Tech News: 2017-11 {{!}} Wiki 4 Coop {{!}} Edit window limitations {{!}} Proofreading {{!}} commons poty banner {{!}} On Pearl Buck {{!}} Changes in Preferences Editing settings &amp; other issues {{!}} New Page that I created {{!}} Re-reading previously proof-read.. {{!}} pagelist for two page scans {{!}} WIkisource Tutorial ? {{!}} /*By Request */ {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-03 {{!}} We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15) {{!}} Tech News: 2017-12 {{!}} Typo words. {{!}} Portal:War poetry cleanup {{!}} Template:... {{!}} Index:The Bab Ballads.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-13 {{!}} The Subjection of Women by J. S. Mill {{!}} Upcoming changes {{!}} Use Web Fonts to improve {{cursive}} {{!}} Change 'plain sister' to follow edition linkages {{!}} Straw poll: How and where to have lengthy, potentially complex discussions? {{!}} Layout with justified text {{!}} Proposal: Add Wikidata to Special:Import sources {{!}} Enough! {{!}} Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu {{!}} Testing out the Timeless skin {{!}} commons:File:Don_Caesar_de_Bazan.djvu {{!}} Task proposal for Wikisource-bot}}
*[[/2017-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Author's names {{!}} Linguistic Report 1961 {{!}} Template:Dotted summary row {{!}} Tech News: 2017-14 {{!}} New Wiki Project page {{!}} 300,000 pages now validated {{!}} Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections {{!}} Yankee in Canada (1866) Thoreau {{!}} Tech News: 2017-15 {{!}} Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May {{!}} Searchability of Indexes not-proofread {{!}} The last week of the 1st cycle of Wikimedia strategy conversation {{!}} Five Black Lives {{!}} Wikimania 2017 in Montréal {{!}} Works/editions and authority control parameters {{!}} The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5 {{!}} Index:Bibliografia Pratese, compilata per un da Prato.djvu {{!}} FYI: PDF thumbnail rendering problems {{!}} Recommended default change in search preferences {{!}} Watchlist issues anyone? {{!}} Question about the FI and FIS templates {{!}} Problems with page loading in the Page: namespace {{!}} Tertiary source citation warning not relevant {{!}} Proposing (really) inactive bot rights removals {{!}} 95 years ago was 1921}}
*[[/2017-05|May]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf|Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-05#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|nop}} , it's overloaded use and possible replacement.|Save/Publish page|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/16|Tech News: 2017-16]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/04|Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04]]|Author pages, wikidata and family name|RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the &quot;Such and such of Placename&quot;|Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?|Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/17|Tech News: 2017-17]]|Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource}}
*[[/2017-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Index:The life and times of King Edward VII by Whates, Harry Richard 2.pdf {{!}} Transcribing a biographical dictionary of printers {{!}} External links about texts {{!}} Tech News: 2017-23 {{!}} What do you care for most? What are you concerned with? Take part in the strategy discussion {{!}} Management of new User right pagequality-admin {{!}} Index and pages move (Thoreau) {{!}} Sheet music and pdf export {{!}} Comey Statement for the Record Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as public domain or should we delete it here ? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-24 {{!}} Books with no chapters {{!}} Hymns for the coronation of Edward VII {{!}} Add portals to default search {{!}} Multiple pages on one page {{!}} Proposal: Having H: properly mapped to Help: namespace {{!}} Validation before proofreading}}
*[[/2017-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Announcements|Announcements]] : Do you create PDFs on Wikimedia wikis?}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]] : Tech News: 2017-25 {{!}} Ship track upload as documentary source? {{!}} Problem with a pdf file {{!}} Search projects from this project now active in English Wikipedia {{!}} How do you contribute to Wikisource? {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-06 {{!}} License tags in Translation space {{!}} The Time Machine (Heinemann text) {{!}} Disambiguation quandary {{!}} Facsimiles of older United States Reports post Google Books' typical full view cut off {{!}} Tech News: 2017-26 {{!}} A word about clearing the cache and page refresh {{!}} How to see edit history on a whole text {{!}} Tech News: 2017-27 {{!}} Pagelists {{!}} Join the strategy discussion. How do our communities and content stay relevant in a changing world? {{!}} Wikilivres is now Bibliowiki {{!}} Tech News: 2017-28 {{!}} Per project statistics {{!}} Using Template:SIC with incorrect punctuation? {{!}} Style changes? {{!}} Tech News: 2017-29 {{!}} Another question about copyright. {{!}} Schedules are WRONG, the columns don't match the info, please check my comment in February! {{!}} Tech News: 2017-30 {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07 {{!}} Marking multiple pages as proofread {{!}} Accessible editing buttons {{!}} Template:Article needs refactoring {{!}} Tech News: 2017-31 {{!}} Validating question {{!}} Proposal to allow &quot;fair use&quot; in certain limited scenarios}}
*[[/2017-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]A question about the random work search Cutters Practical Guide {{!}} Moving file File:AEW Mason--The affair at the Semiramis Hotel.djvu to wikisource {{!}} Concerns about ability (lack of progress on certain issues) etc. {{!}} Index:Lives of Fair and Gallant Ladies Volume II.djvu {{!}} Tech News: 2017-32 {{!}} Share your thoughts on the draft strategy direction {{!}} RL sidenote {{!}} Wikipedia translations {{!}} A template that links to the Index page without transcluding anything Tech News: 2017-33 {{!}} Timeless skin in beta very soon {{!}} Pl. do suggest Commerce, economic, and law pages for proof reading for academic project {{!}} Update logo {{!}} Twitter {{!}} Formatting images for mobile view {{!}} Tech News: 2017-34 {{!}} New skin, &quot;MinervaNeue&quot; Proposal to have transclusion tab in Page namespace}}
*[[/2017-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Free BabelPad editor for Windows}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Poems of the Great War]] and [[Index:Poems of the Great War - Cunliffe.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Is Khrushchev's secret speech in the public domain or not?|Did the Swiss constitution provide the model for the solution by the League of Nations to the Aaland Islands Dispute?|Useful Wikidata tools|'Mark Proofread' gadget no longer beta|Why is Wikisource showing the wrong picture???|Editor Looks Strange|Is Wikisource beyond accepting copy and paste of Gutenberg works?|Status Enquiry - PatternDraftingAndGrading (Rohr - 1961)|My edits on &quot;Craftsmanship&quot;|Wikidata RFC: Allow the creation of links to redirects in Wikidata|Global preferences – do you want local overrides?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/35|Tech News: 2017-35]]|Standard eBooks|Proposed change to Template:New texts/item|Featured candidates feedback|Wikisource at Metrics meeting}}
*[[/2017-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Cleanup of a source, but making it no longer verbatim|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Index namespace malfunctioning|Author pages ugly in mobile view|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/39|Tech News: 2017-39]]|Code4Lib pre-conference workshop|LintErrors extension incompatible with {{tl|nop}} approach used for tables..|[[Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes]] (including subpages)|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/09|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-09]]|Wikimedia Movement Strategy phase 2, and a goodbye}}
*[[/2017-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Red Badge of Courage|Twitter tweet topic suggestions|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/45|Tech News: 2017-45]]|2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Minimum copyright renewal length?|Page:The mystic test book.djvu/119|Changes to the global ban policy|Working with ''Once a Week'', New Series, Volume VII (1871) — anyone got time to assist there?|Index not fully transcluded|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/46|Tech News: 2017-46]]|Better OCR?|Authority control for works and edition|Obvious errors in source|Lists of author works|Copyright status of translation|Reference Tooltips}}
*[[/2017-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Announcements|Announcements]]:2017 Community Wishlist Survey|Timeless skin deployed}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Proposals|Proposals]]:Proposal to standardize the {{tl|table style}} template shorthand codes.}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Bot approval requests|Bot approval requests]]:SpBot}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[:Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2017-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Second Edition of Wikisource Conference during 2018 at Strasbourg|Cite link label group|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/47|Tech News: 2017-47]]|New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global Collaboration/Newsletter/Issues/2017/11|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-11]]|Timeless skin — noted issues|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2017/48|Tech News: 2017-48]]|[[Index:A woman of the century.djvu]] is a duplicate of [[Index:Woman of the Century.djvu]]}}

===2018===
*[[/2018-01|January]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-01#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:WS:FTC|BBC Radio Times|Headers don't show up|Problem importing books|Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?|Scans not loading?|Tech News: 2018-02|Wikidata and years in legal templates|Index:Occult Japan - Lovell.djvu validated and needs transclusion|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and unrecognised dates|Tech News: 2018-3|Marking updates... in a document...|Requesting permission to delete Index|Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon 2018|Atlantic Monthly link|LintErrors|Short Titles Act|Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes|On nopt and other termination/continuation issues|Edit window font size|Wikibible editors wanted|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{copyright until}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template broken by SDrewthbot|Lua coder sought..|Notifying the community about a Bot Request|Important, fascinating and timely transcription: US House interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson|Guidelines for removal of line breaks|Parser migration issues ; Identifying &quot;Interrupted phrasing&quot; due to mis-nested templates, or tags?||Migration user guide|Tech News: 2018-04|Formatting UK legislation...|Indentation|Global Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-01|Esoterica in regard to Proofread page....(and yes this is also partly Linter and RmexHTML related)....|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cl-act-paragraph}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; desired behaviour for split=table in rewrite(User:JustinCB/cl-act-p)|Page:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu/35|Import from mul.ws|Tech News: 2018-05|Sound file to Commons question|Wikisource's birthday|Shakespeare's Works|Scan-backed|Change wording for guidance on line break removal}}
*[[/2018-02|February]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-02#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Strange business with Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier {{!}} OCR scan is all over the place {{!}} Editcount and checkboxes from editing screen displayed awkwardly {{!}} Proposal for keyboard shortcuts {{!}} Wikimania 2018 call for submissions now open {{!}} Tech News: 2018-06 {{!}} Discussion: ScienceSource proposal {{!}} Whether to reproduce CC-licensed journal article in just text {{!}} Problems with File:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.pdf {{!}} Works recommendations and favorite quotations for Twitter {{!}} Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu needs some help {{!}} Guidance on missing punctuation {{!}} Two interesting reads {{!}} Tech News: 2018-07 {{!}} ScienceSource proposal {{!}} PageCleanUp gadget? {{!}} New problem with the special characters toolbar {{!}} Tech News: 2018-08 {{!}} Repair the file of Index:Willich, A. F. M. - The Domestic Encyclopædia (Vol. 2, 1802).djvu {{!}} How to best structure this text? {{!}} Braces spanning lines {{!}} Printing and binding Wikisource works {{!}} Split a page in half {{!}} Labelling our templates as &amp;lt;span&amp;gt;/line or &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;/block {{!}} TemplateData {{!}} Tech News: 2018-09 {{!}} Maintenance of the Month {{!}} An aside from more important problems {{!}} More questions of lesser importance {{!}} &quot;Contents&quot; in transclusions {{!}} Title at the end of page does not show as title in transclusions {{!}} Renaming State of the Union addresses}}
*[[/2018-03|March]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-03#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: Possibility of adding &quot;LocalLiveClock&quot; to gadgets {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02 {{!}} Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation {{!}} Tech News: 2018-10 {{!}} Please test pings in edit summary {{!}} Triple border in {{Table style}} {{!}} [Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image {{!}} Mrs Beeton - {{!}} Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL {{!}} Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-03 {{!}} Tech News: 2018-13 {{!}} Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading? {{!}} Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS? {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hanging indent/m}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Template:Author update {{!}} Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees {{!}} On the Coromandel Coast}}
*[[/2018-04|April]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]: {{!}} Categorical labeling of laws {{!}} Tech News: 2018-11 {{!}} Page history stats links need revision — Template:Histlegend {{!}} Tech News: 2018-12 {{!}} Nested footnotes {{!}} Tech News: 2018-14 {{!}} Anniversary works {{!}} Collected Physical Papers {{!}} Frankenstein is 200 years old this year {{!}} Scan, transcription, and translation source for historical Japanese texts {{!}} Page and OCR do not sync {{!}} Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature {{!}} Tech News: 2018-15 {{!}} Administrators removed from Bibliowiki {{!}} Mass reverts of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Engine}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Over 6,000 public domain childrens' books {{!}} United States District Court of Southern New York Documents in Public Domain? {{!}} Small-size scan when creating a new page {{!}} New edit interface {{!}} Tech News: 2018-16 {{!}} Page: ns fixes above {{!}} New Proofread buttons icons {{!}} Schindlerjuden {{!}} Pulchrism: Championing Beauty as the Purpose of Art {{!}} IRS about Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2018-17 {{!}} Dracula, Frankenstein.. Next? {{!}} On pagination {{!}} MediaWiki:Citethispage-content {{!}} Books on books {{!}} Tech News: 2018-18 {{!}} Index:The History of the Church &amp; Manor of Wigan part 2 {{!}} &quot;People don't use Wikisource&quot;}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]{{smaller|:Talk to us about talking|Abuse|[[Zodiac Killer letters]]|''Wikisource:News'': April 2019 Edition|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2019/14|Tech News: 2019-14]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2019-04#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Wikisource Community User Group representative vote|Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law}}
*[[/2018-05|May]]{{smaller|:Copyright question|Centralised hacking attempts|AdvancedSearch|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/19|Tech News: 2018-19]]|Category for our dear friend Anon?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/20|Tech News: 2018-20]]|LIFE magazine|Comic History of England|Mark proofread gadget|How can we make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?|Lint fsx|LintHint script is incompatible with constructions that are widely used in Page: namespace on English Wikisource.|Added gadget to sort Special: pages output|Page number corrections in {{tl|dotted TOC line}} template.|Referencing a specific footnote from another work/volume|Sorted through gadgets|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/21|Tech News: 2018-21]]|Page missing in France and the Levant peace conference 1920.djvu|Puzzled - No page numbers on [[Lengths and Levels To Bradshaw's Maps/Canals and Railways in the Northern Map]] ?|FYI Index:Darwin Journal of Researches.djvu|{{TPSMProject}}|Requesting input on the main namespace titles with Roman numerals|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/22|Tech News: 2018-22]]|Text of the new Swedish &quot;negligent rape&quot; law}}
*[[/2018-06|June]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-06#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Introducing Toolhub|Anchor points in How To Adjust Spirella corsets.|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/23|Tech News: 2018-23]]|Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia|{{tl|double link}} across pages|Image problems when editing|RfC: Plans to graduate the New Filters on Watchlist out of beta|Paged layouts that laternate between right and left...|Lillypond scoring|Statutes of the Realm|&amp;amp;aelig;|Problem with page display|Okay why is the header sometimes &quot;bouncing&quot; to the bottom?|Formatting UK legislation..|Page status buttons|{{tl|Rule}} not centering?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/24|Tech News: 2018-24]]|Statutes at large, a different approach...|FYI: Changes to numbers of &quot;link&quot; templates in author ns:|Update on page issues on mobile web|&quot;Short-titles&quot; and related...|Two very similar disambigs: Moon &amp; the Moon|A Lost Lady|[[Author:Sylvanus Urban]], he was and he wasn't; disambiguate? portal?|EnWS should unlock [[Mein Kampf]] and [[My Struggle]].|Excerpting stories from long subpages|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/25|Tech News: 2018-25]]|[[Template:Plain sister]] and bibliowiki|Lint filter fix for float right, somewhat counter-intuitive—others check/replicate?|&quot;New texts&quot; -- reasons|Edit size/'wrong diffs&quot;?|Page status issues|Approval request for new bot task}}
*[[/2018-07|July]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:Statutes at large Missing pages|[[:Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu]]}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-07#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:OCR for Persian|Abbreviations in reference works|Lippincott pdf files|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/26|Tech News: 2018-26]]|œ with circumflex|Customise the User option page.|Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Tidy to RemexHtml|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/27|Tech News: 2018-27]]|Transclusion problem: only three pages, then it's broken|Using {{tl|def}} to expand scribal abbreviations|Re-scheduled deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist|Blackletter and the transclusion limit|nested? templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/28|Tech News: 2018-28]]|Global preferences are available|[[March of the Volunteers]]|&quot;Technical administrators&quot; are coming: we need a plan|Book only available on Google Books|Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS|section problems|Converted [[Template:custom rule]]|What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?|author link|Saxon character set?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/29|Tech News: 2018-29]]|Ebook-only tag?|ia upload generated scans seem always to be off|Anyone else having personal common.js issues?|H. M. Elliot|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/30|Tech News: 2018-30]]|Index view of page status—diff between logged in and logged out|Translation published before the original work|Original contributors' works|Size of editing window|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/31|Tech News: 2018-31]]|No TOC in Mobile View|Google OCR|''[[wikipedia:Boys' Life|Boys' Life]]''|New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS}}
*[[/2018-08|August]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-08#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:{{tl|Upright}} vs. {{tl|Normal}}|Help for identifying an English poem, please|Something is wrong with the POTM|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/32|Tech News: 2018-32]]|Release of [[User:AkBot|AkBot]] block|[[Portal:American literature]]|Glasgow Advertiser - 13 August 1792 - Richard Arkwright|ſ|Typo on the front page|Google notice|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/33|Tech News: 2018-33]]|How to Transclude TOC from Subpages?|Inline HTML broken|Permissions for MpaaBot|Unable to change status of What Can I Do^ - NARA - 534471.jpg|Scans with missing pages|Visual Editor|TemplateStyles and book formatting|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/34|Tech News: 2018-34]]|Latest message for Collaboration team newsletter; Growth team's newsletter invite|Page numbers + links in left-hand margin|Page numbers borked with hyphenated words|List of broken links from Wikipedia to Wikisource}}
*[[/2018-09|September]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Announcements|Announcements]]:Initiative for coordinating documentation, practices and solutions of misc. Wikisource versions|Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Repairs (and moves)|Repairs (and moves)]]:[[Index:Her Benny - Silas K Hocking.djvu]] and pages}}
**{{smaller|[[/2018-09#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:N-like character|Link spans two DjVu pages|Using gadget to create an index page|Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/35|Tech News: 2018-35]]|em-dash at page end|Are pages that &quot;do not need to be proofread&quot; transcluded now?|Errata listed in original document|Word order jumbled|Bengali Wikisource Awareness Campaign videos|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/36|Tech News: 2018-36]]|https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Black%27s_Law_Dictionary_(Second_Edition).djvu/1179|Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October|CC-BY 4.0 as default license in upload forms|trashy|page style looks terrible on page|Constitution of Angola|Living authors category|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/37|Tech News: 2018-37]]|Aux TOS now full-width?|Table of images|Do you have small tasks for new contributors? It's Google Code-in time again|My first index|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/38|Tech News: 2018-38]]|The GFDL license on Commons|WEF framework / Wikidata gadget — confirm that it is again working|Vulgate|Template to mark works ineligible for copyright due to lack of human authorship|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]|Infoboxes on categories?|What is the correct date?|New Wikidata templates|Wikiscan Statistics|hyphenated words}}
*[[/2018-10|October]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-10#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]|Encrypted PDF of PD book|Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article|[[:Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu]]|Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912|[[:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts]]|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]|Google Books PDF|BHL IDs|Notable printers|Two-page table|Match and Split bot|RFC: Automating &quot;Wikipedia&quot; link in Header if WD main topic is activated|[[Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg]]|Narrow no-break space for contractions?|[[Portal:Renaissance texts]]|Orphée aux Enfers|Descriptions from Wikidata|Cool image|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42|Tech News: 2018-42]]|Natural History of the Nightingale|[[Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Revised Edition, 1831)]] chapter links|Patrolling|Pagelist checking...|Help to regain my sanity|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43|Tech News: 2018-43]]|Bilingual book|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|A wandering student in the Far East vol.1|[[A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems]]|Large-scale copying of ancient inscriptions into Wikipedia articles|Difficult to read Latin text|Big untranscluded works|Rotated table overlaps text|Pseudonyms|{{tl|sp}} vs. {{tl|gesperrt}}|Removal of {{tl|textinfo}}?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/44|Tech News: 2018-44]]|The Community Wishlist Survey|November's PotM|Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor|e-book reader down loads|Bilingual book}}
*[[/2018-11|November]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-11#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Indic Wikisource Community Consultation 2018|Non apperance of CharInsert gadget...|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]]|Open call for Project Grants|Plainlist does not indent for sub lists..|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]]|Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web|Books in french for French Wikisource|Remove DISAMBIG tag from Versions and Translations header templates|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]]|Community Wishlist Survey vote|Can I upload Research works done in our University here?|[[Index:Growing Black Locust Trees.djvu]]|Match and Split across subpages|Anthologies x Collections|Advanced Search|Community Health Metrics Kit consultation|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]]|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;|Slow loading of scan|wgMaxArticleSize|Disambiguating Shakespeare}}
*[[/2018-12|December]]
**{{smaller|[[/2018-12#Other discussions|Other discussions]]:Placing template for globally locked accounts|Granularity on progress color bar?|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/49|Tech News: 2018-49]]|E. P. Robins|Selection of the Wikisource Community User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit|Author linked to Wikispecies|New Wikimedia password policy and requirements|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/50|Tech News: 2018-50]]|SpokenWikipedia|Other display oddities|[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/51|Tech News: 2018-51]]|youtube invoking spam filter|interwiki link wikilivres|Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019|A suggestion related to main page|[[:Category:Index - File to check]]|Celebrating Public Domain Day|Download a book|Editing window woes (again)|audio works|Language tagging|Adapting [[Template:pd/1996]] or a new template|Wikidata vs Versions pages, part 2|Sub-disambig pages by author|Issue with the FI Template display.}}

===2019===
*[[/2019-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Antony and Cleopatra (1921) Yale {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Author}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and multiple images {{!}} {{!}} Occult books digitized {{!}} templatestyles inserting paragraph breaks {{!}} Tech News: 2019-02 {{!}} Another {{!}} Public Domain tags {{!}} Changes to Australian copyright law {{!}} Missing document in series — Acceptable solution? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-03 {{!}} Failed mass message delivery {{!}} No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January {{!}} Image display issue with pdf files {{!}} Index:The History of Ink.djvu {{!}} 50% scan-backed {{!}} FileExporter beta feature {{!}} Tech News: 2019-04 {{!}} Pictures in Rhymes {{!}} Changes to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Lang}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Plan S for free content: feedback request {{!}} Google Cloud Vision + books {{!}} Page:Baron Trump's marvellous underground journey.pdf/22 and others... {{!}} Page numbering fails when defining custom strings in Index page list.. {{!}} Work by Communist Party of China {{!}} Tech News: 2019-05 {{!}} When Father Carves the Duck {{!}} Replacing a work - {{!}} Page:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu/24 {{!}} Blank page transclusion, and page number suppression... {{!}} Category:National portals are inconsistent {{!}} License text {{!}} Index:A Naturalist on the Prowl.djvu {{!}} Index:The_Moon_(Pickering).djvu {{!}} Is this a cache issue? {{!}} 3000 Validated Works}}
*[[/2019-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Changes to page numbering {{!}} Tech News: 2019-06 {{!}} Resolution of the CharInsert problem {{!}} Is this standard procedure? {{!}} template improvements needed? Auxiliary Table of Contents {{!}} TemplateScript for Greek beta code {{!}} Tech News: 2019-07 {{!}} Dynamic layouts... {{!}} Wikidata Edit section on the sidebar {{!}} OCR button is non functional... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-08 {{!}} IA Upload bot is down {{!}} Tech News: 2019-09 {{!}} Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains {{!}} Cleaning up Once a Week namespace {{!}} Phrase Books and Other Multi-Lingual Documents {{!}} Adding copydumps to WS:CSD}}
*[[/2019-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Small admin fix needed {{!}} Slow contributions... {{!}} CSS not displaying {{!}} Tech News: 2019-10 {{!}} ? template {{!}} Serial numbering of The Silver Cord {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; not working {{!}} Tech News: 2019-11 {{!}} Copyright of An Anthology of Czechoslovak Literature {{!}} Commentaries on the Laws of England {{!}} Roman volume numbers in Article Link template {{!}} You may now become 'Wikisource — A Wikipedia project' {{!}} Downloaden epub {{!}} Template:SPARQL {{!}} OCR bot not running {{!}} Tech News: 2019-12 {{!}} f x ſ in United States Reports/Volume 1 {{!}} An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) (Matthew Henry) {{!}} Problem with Once a Week volume 10 index {{!}} Redirects within an original published work {{!}} Tech News: 2019-13 {{!}} Missing and duplicated pages in the Yale 3 Henry 6 {{!}} Replace OAW Vol 3? {{!}} Text size in the edit box {{!}} Handle System {{!}} Style Guide update {{!}} nomination for adminship {{!}} Missing pages in OAW Volume 7 {{!}} blocks of text w/o blank lines between paragraphs {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition {{!}} Pindar (Way 1922) {{!}} Biographies with no UIDs}}
*[[/2019-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Talk to us about talking}}
**{{smaller|Abuse}}
**{{smaller|Zodiac Killer letters}}
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2019-14}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Wikisource Community User Group representative vote {{!}} Lawyers and law students' signatures needed for Supreme Court amicus brief in favor of publishing the law {{!}} Is CSS/JS cleanup worthwhile even if some stuff might break along the way {{!}} A process and policy for Interface Admins {{!}} Seemingly identical links are not identical {{!}} Unwanted line return {{!}} Scan pages not appearing in Edit window, again {{!}} Colours in the edit window {{!}} Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April {{!}} Tech News: 2019-15 {{!}} Unsourced works by Bolesław Prus {{!}} Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Match and Split bot {{!}} Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request {{!}} Page disorder in Tales of my Landlord - 3rd series, vol. 1 {{!}} Wikidata items for works? {{!}} Copyright discussion {{!}} Tables with braces {{!}} Tech News: 2019-16 {{!}} Technical question about the &lt;pages/&gt; function {{!}} Linking to Wikipedia, Commons etc. {{!}} The Hunchback of Notre Dame {{!}} Constitution of Macedonia {{!}} Any Commons admins? {{!}} Template modification request: Roman numerals for article link {{!}} Using TemplateStyles to achieve Semantic HTML {{!}} ia-upload bot {{!}} Wikilivres is dead? {{!}} Links to scan pages missing {{!}} Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election {{!}} Tech News: 2019-17 {{!}} Building an ersatz scanning table {{!}} Please import w:en:Template:Doi {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;prose&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Mueller Report - more hands on deck? {{!}} Move titles of History of Mexico series {{!}} Tech News: 2019-18 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; issues {{!}} Content added to translation not in the original {{!}} ws_ocr_daemon robot is not running}}
**{{smaller|Other discussions:}}
*[[/2019-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Visual works on Wikisource {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition {{!}} Additional IDs for modern-day scientists {{!}} Upload from Google Books {{!}} Tech News: 2019-19 {{!}} Mulitpage scores - a possible solution... {{!}} Zoe Dana Underhill - DoD? {{!}} Redirect The Music of Erich Zann to Famous Fantastic Mysteries/Volume 12/Number 3/The Music of Erich Zann? {{!}} Wrong years {{!}} The Condor volumes {{!}} SOURCE for Wikisource {{!}} 1000000 proofread pages {{!}} 1 million proofread pages {{!}} Commons no longer relaying information... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-20 {{!}} John Cotton's Notebook {{!}} Representative Women of New England indexes {{!}} Index:The cutters' practical guide to the cutting of ladies' garments.djvu {{!}} Template:OTRS received {{!}} Charinsert selection is no longer saved for the next session. {{!}} Index:Lanman's Sanskrit Reader.pdf {{!}} TOC entry with multiple page numbers on the same line {{!}} Tech News: 2019-21 {{!}} Chapters in a different language {{!}} translator? co-author? {{!}} Voting System {{!}} Tech News: 2019-22 {{!}} EnycloPetey adminship vote of confidence {{!}} Timely articles: Help with proofreading items that will likely receive local attention? {{!}} Added text that condemns those who remove it {{!}} phab:T224355: bad quality in Page namespace {{!}} Wikidata:Property proposal/Harper's author IDs {{!}} Main namespace header interferes with a page number {{!}} Talk pages consultation: Phase 2 {{!}} Questions}}
*[[/2019-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Interwiki {{!}} Zombie pages... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-23 {{!}} Rendering Morse codes {{!}} Index:Carroll - Three Sunsets.djvu {{!}} Page titles of letters of Basil of Caesarea {{!}} Image plate in part-work published belatedly {{!}} ia-upload tool {{!}} Tech News: 2019-24 {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget {{!}} Missing plate in 'The South Staffordshire Coalfield' {{!}} Errata template error {{!}} Partial blocks deployment to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-25 {{!}} Marking authors as dead {{!}} Author mispelt {{!}} Image only material out of scope? {{!}} Page:February 1916 QST.djvu/21 {{!}} Files in Category:Extracts from Mueller Report {{!}} Ante-Nicene_Fathers {{!}} NYPL on renewals {{!}} Template Name collision... {{!}} Committee to Defend the United States Constitution v. Moon {{!}} Oxon link template broken {{!}} Dynamic layout problems and proposed fixes {{!}} Wanted: User script for missing images {{!}} The Prince (Marriott) {{!}} Another non scan backed work {{!}} Biographical enquiry Author:Aaron Thompson {{!}} Bio query {{!}} Did page validation process changed? {{!}} Mathilde Leiris {{!}} Tech News: 2019-26 {{!}} Use of HTML element IDs {{!}} Sidenote mess {{!}} Biogaphical checks... {{!}} Reducing unlinked pages... {{!}} ssues with Robert the Bruce and the struggle for Scottish independence {{!}} Index:The Prince (translated by William K. Marriott).djvu text complete... {{!}} Duplicate transclusions... {{!}} Placing replacement scans at the end of a work? Shouldn't they ultimately be integrated in the djvu? {{!}} Scans which need page images integrating into the djvu/pdf etc. {{!}} Templates that generate external links inside works (Template:Ussclinker) {{!}} Index:The Female-Impersonators 1922 book scan.djvu {{!}} Documentation? {{!}} Biography and family record of Lorenzo Snow {{!}} Requesting import of &quot;Links count&quot; gadget}}
*[[/2019-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Proofreading, OCR cleanup script... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-27 {{!}} Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu {{!}} Biographical Enquires (Railway Junction Diagrams on Commons) {{!}} Classed tables... {{!}} idenotes... The cause of the problem? {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition {{!}} The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life {{!}} Which Benjamin Bell? {{!}} Removing non-content pages from a scan? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-28 {{!}} Proofread bar {{!}} Create a 'small-poem' class {{!}} Linterror hunting... {{!}} Message Box module.. {{!}} reader.library.cornell.edu {{!}} OCR gadget issue? {{!}} The Lint error stuff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-29 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-30 {{!}} Index:The librarians of Harvard College 1667-1877.djvu {{!}} Isthmus of Krà {{!}} tosection issue {{!}} Undo move {{!}} Future of the OCR gadget and its maintenance {{!}} Palestine Order-in-Council {{!}} Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf {{!}} Typo words, LintErrors and other mistakes... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-31 {{!}} Finalizing the Mueller Report {{!}} A semi-sequel to the Mueller Report {{!}} Little hack for even/odd page headers {{!}} Better Eyesight Magazine/March 1922 {{!}} A minor Charinsert modification suggested {{!}} Bullets paragraph separator {{!}} Smallrefs and tables over 2 pages {{!}} Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 {{!}} Template:Translation header {{!}} Revisiting curly quotes}}
*[[/2019-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Border/table interaction problem {{!}} Database error {{!}} Great news: 80% of books published between 1924/1963 are public domain {{!}} Roman Numerals in Page titles... {{!}} Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures {{!}} use LinuxLibertine font in wikisource logo {{!}} Tech News: 2019-32 {{!}} Emoji symbols {{!}} Picture reproductions {{!}} Auth. control squashed {{!}} deterioration on subpages {{!}} Template:URL to diff {{!}} Tech News: 2019-33 {{!}} SVG? {{!}} Suggested changes Template:Header {{!}} The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke/Volume 2 (minor admin request) {{!}} I've bascily had enough... {{!}} British English in an American work {{!}} Scans not showing, again {{!}} Update on the consultation about office actions {{!}} Biodiversity Heritage Library template {{!}} Smithsonian Transcription Center {{!}} Birth&amp; death dates {{!}} Index:Experimental researches in chemistry and.djvu {{!}} Concerns... {{!}} Tech News: 2019-34 {{!}} Namespace link only for main namespace {{!}} LinkedLintErrors {{!}} Scans of La Fayette, or, the Castle of Olmutz needed {{!}} New tools and IP masking {{!}} Proposal to enable blocking functionality for abuse filters {{!}} Template issue {{!}} Old taxonomists, published, but missing from Wikisource {{!}} Links to authors in Wikispecies {{!}} Template:unsigned2 {{!}} Multiple transclusions {{!}} Organisations as authors {{!}} Talk pages consultation, Phase 2 report {{!}} Updated templates to support curly quotes {{!}} Making our validated texts discoverable {{!}} Broken EPub download link on mobile pages {{!}} When to let someone else find typos and omissions? {{!}} Updating the images in the text quality templates {{!}} Maintenance of the Month questions {{!}} A new category for validated texts? {{!}} Why have we allowed ToC to slip to subpages? {{!}} New pdf and index repairs for Once a Week volume 2}}
*[[/2019-09|September]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in September 2019 {{!}} Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition {{!}} Some suggestions about web visibility and page quality {{!}} subclass2 in Portal header {{!}} Tech News: 2019-36 {{!}} Choosing from two author pictures in Wikidata {{!}} Should the disambiguation pages for &quot;Song&quot; and &quot;A Song&quot; be combined? {{!}} Template:TOC begin/end/row series {{!}} Proposition to change the Wikispecies label in Module:Plain sister {{!}} Overfloat makes troubles with paragraphs {{!}} Jardine Naturalist's Library Exotic Moths - Complicated Table Page. {{!}} Guidance at Portal:Speeches/Copyright {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{p}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; may need work {{!}} One work, two PDFs {{!}} 1941 UK publication {{!}} Index:Coloured Figures of English Fungi or Mushrooms.djvu {{!}} Help identifying a symbol {{!}} Note: added an author search field to Wikisource:Authors, and some author category pages {{!}} Wikilinks {{!}} Talk page junk {{!}} Proofreading line by line {{!}} RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions {{!}} Tech News: 2019-40 {{!}} The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started {{!}} File:Odes and Carmen Saeculare.djvu {{!}} US copyright and the inclusion policy}}
*[[/2019-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Is Wikisource no longer getting indexed by Google and other search engines? {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in October 2019 {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in November 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-41 {{!}} Request for comment: Are drop by copy and pastes still in scope? {{!}} Tech News: 2019-42 {{!}} Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project {{!}} Proposed update to template:header {{!}} Fully validated indexes that aren't transcluded {{!}} Translations and source tabs {{!}} Duplicated proofreading status with Visual Editor {{!}} Tech News: 2019-43 {{!}} Projects from Community Wishlist — skates time {{!}} Curly quote templates {{!}} Updated Module:WikidataIB {{!}} Tech News: 2019-44 {{!}} PDF to wikitext import {{!}} Search and replace button {{!}} Index:Eight Harvard Poets.djvu {{!}} Index:Dreams and Dust, by Don Marquis.djvu {{!}} help please {{!}} Broken links to scans from Index pages {{!}} Ongoing discussion about DjVu files at Wikimedia Commons {{!}} MediaWiki:InterWikiTransclusion.js {{!}} &quot;Studies in Irish history, 1649-1775&quot; available in scanned form? {{!}} IA-Upload tool is down {{!}} The source of local time digital clock display {{!}} Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu {{!}} KaldariBot {{!}} Update to NopInserter Gadget}}
*[[/2019-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Transcription completeness and traditional vs. modern finding aids (i.e., tables of contents, indices, search engines) {{!}} NOINDEX meta tag {{!}} Wikilivres {{!}} Tech News: 2019-45 {{!}} Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Is posting to a website considered publication here just as it is in US copyright law? {{!}} Copyright in Ethiopia and Template:PD-Ethiopia {{!}} List of index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2019-46 {{!}} New template for hyphenated words across pages {{!}} Spelling errors {{!}} If you tweet, especially about Wikisource {{!}} AuFCL / MODCHK / random IP editor 114... {{!}} Greek: Aerodynamics {{!}} Add Wikidata link to Index page {{!}} Ability to individually access single JP2 images from Internet Archive work archives {{!}} Work-specific disambig pages {{!}} Signatories {{!}} Proposal for a new Featured texts badge on Wikidata {{!}} Tech News: 2019-47 {{!}} Duplicate works {{!}} horizontal TOC -- Template request {{!}} Wikisource is sixteen years old: let's celebrate! {{!}} Time to vote for the Community Wishlist 2020 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-48 {{!}} Category muddle: cultural events &amp; traditions {{!}} Publishers' terminology {{!}} Author:Ferdinand_Moeller {{!}} Abuse filter edit request {{!}} Index:Canadian Singers and Their Songs.djvu {{!}} Automatically pull text status from Wikidata badges and display on main page of work {{!}} Bulk replace {{!}} Proposed changes to WS:WWI regarding advertisements {{!}} Once a Week Vol. 7 {{!}} How shall I transcribe two books in one?}}
*[[/2019-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in December 2019 {{!}} Tech News: 2019-49 {{!}} Seemingly identical titles are not identical {{!}} New Hampshire versions {{!}} Macron combined with small caps {{!}} 2020 Scanapalooza {{!}} Tech News: 2019-50 {{!}} Google and Phe's OCR {{!}} Main namespace works; portal works and tendency to encyclopaedic components or listings {{!}} Template Bloat... {{!}} History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1 {{!}} Cached links table not updating... {{!}} How often does the database for searches actualyl update? {{!}} FYI: Moved author pages not updating at Wikidata {{!}} Stalled files in Category:Index - File to check {{!}} Tech News: 2019-51 {{!}} Problematic redirects (versions in a page with other works) and WD {{!}} Match and Split (Phebot) not working {{!}} Are featured texts also validated texts, or does featured supersede validated? {{!}} New Wikisource users {{!}} IA uploader cannot find an existing archive.org file {{!}} Italian Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2019-52 {{!}} Naming of governmental works and duplication resulting therefrom {{!}} Index:Poetry of the Magyars.djvu {{!}} Page deletions {{!}} Page numbers not displayed {{!}} Index:Old-folks.jpg {{!}} Weird Tales vol. no. 1 scan {{!}} Changes to Template:Header {{!}} Empty categories {{!}} Checking page style for court cases {{!}} Cosmetic problem with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{header}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; change {{!}} Versions and Wikidata problem {{!}} Proposing move of pages The Works of Charles Dickens/Volume 1 {{!}} OCR: Enable the Google-based version, until Phe's Tesseract version is operational? {{!}} Happy Public Domain Day!}}

===2020===
*[[/2020-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions {{!}} New speedy deletion criterion for person-based categories {{!}} Disambiguation pages that are not disambiguation pages, more collections {{!}} Export to PDF, LaTeX, EPUB, ODT {{!}} Need for a specific doohickey {{!}} Import request {{!}} help wanted: OAW layout template? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-02 {{!}} Index:South - the story of Shackleton's last expedition, 1914-1917.djvu {{!}} Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in January 2020 {{!}} Download tool is broken {{!}} Bad text layer extraction from PDFs {{!}} Court decision titles {{!}} 404:Not Found (thumbs) {{!}} A personal essay from a kindred site {{!}} Tech News: 2020-03 {{!}} The Outline of History {{!}} Match and Split is down {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore {{!}} H. P. Lovecraft revisited {{!}} Tech News: 2020-04 {{!}} Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project {{!}} Open call for Project Grants {{!}} Tech News: 2020-05 {{!}} Wikisource Conference in Warsaw {{!}} Curating works for export {{!}} Versions of Translations {{!}} Amusements in mathematics {{!}} Index:Sally in our alley.djvu {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{KJVulgate}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}
*[[/2020-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: How many files should we load? {{!}} Tech News: 2020-06 {{!}} Img float: width in ems {{!}} PD-anon-50 {{!}} New error messages for the attribute “follow” {{!}} Link back to Wikidata {{!}} Associated Press {{!}} Tech News: 2020-07 {{!}} Index:History of the United States of America, Spencer, v1.djvu ready for transclusion {{!}} The Record {{!}} Move page to Wikisource {{!}} Periodicals {{!}} Wikilivres is gone {{!}} Amazing Stories v01n12 {{!}} The Story of Mankind {{!}} George Germain Sackville, Germain,_George_Sackville_(DNB00) {{!}} YYYY works {{!}} Validating Comenius' The Labyrinth of the World {{!}} Tech News: 2020-08 {{!}} External links in the header &quot;next=&quot; field {{!}} File:Once a Week, Series 1, Volume II Dec 1859 to June 1860.pdf {{!}} versions of Wikisource with non-US PD status {{!}} Tech News: 2020-09 {{!}} Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages {{!}} All OCR tools are failing {{!}} editing gone awry {{!}} Bad works on the Digital Library of India? {{!}} Possibly fixed: the newline proliferation issue when previewing edits in Page space {{!}} Is this a problem? {{!}} How to deal with copyrighted parts of otherwise PD works?}}
*[[/2020-03|March]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020 {{!}} Encyclopaedia Britannica {{!}} Tech News: 2020-10 {{!}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws}} and {{hwe}} in a mandatory {{multicol}} situation&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Tech News: 2020-11 {{!}} List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits {{!}} Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope? {{!}} Quality indicator at the top of edit view page {{!}} Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson &amp; Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty {{!}} Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-12 {{!}} Problem with IA-Upload? {{!}} FAA Airplane Handbook {{!}} Customisation {{!}} Index:Atlas of skin diseases {{!}} The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels {{!}} Tech News: 2020-13 {{!}} section tags {{!}} Clarification of Authority Control Policies {{!}} 1902 Encyclopædia Britannica {{!}} The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph {{!}} Talk quote inline {{!}} Proofread at last {{!}} Tech News: 2020-14 {{!}} The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury {{!}} Aircraft in Warfare {{!}} COVID-19 {{!}} Spam whitelist request {{!}} Promoting Wikisource during lockdown}}
*[[/2020-04|April]]
**{{smaller|Other discussions: Someone with css smarts to update Template:Dotted TOC page listing {{!}} Spam coordination {{!}} Tech News: 2020-15 {{!}} Reminder: Technical maintenance planed {{!}} Layout 5 {{!}} Reconstruction on context, and clipped scans... {{!}} Chronological order or reverse chrono? {{!}} Seeing: File:Lua error {{!}} Spam whitelist request 2 {{!}} Template:Outdent {{!}} Tech News: 2020-16 {{!}} Post: Help smaller wiki communities grow their technical capacity! {{!}} Why is Medium on blacklist? {{!}} User:Dmitrismirnov {{!}} Scratch that! {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} Mis-sorting behaviour {{!}} Time before a wiki page is refreshed expires {{!}} Index:A Glimpse at Guatemala.pdf {{!}} Dating in Mommsen's History of Rome {{!}} Fixing author page {{!}} Special:IndexPages reporting incorrect number of proofread pages {{!}} Project activity {{!}} Public domain cutoff, again {{!}} Duplications of texts, USA treaties, between individual projects and within United States Statutes at Large {{!}} George Orwell out of copyright in 2021 {{!}} Multiple images problem on author pages {{!}} Technical maintenance planned {{!}} Index:Arthur Cotton - The Madras Famine - 1898.djvu {{!}} The Chinese Fairy Book missing Frontispiece {{!}} GFDL with invariant sections {{!}} Tech News: 2020-17 {{!}} US Supreme Court determination re copyright and government edicts {{!}} The United Nations Treaty Series should have uniform naming of files}}
*[[/2020-05|May]]
**{{smaller|Other discussion: These things bother me {{!}} Completed uploading the League of Nations Treaty Series on Commons {{!}} Projects similar to Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-19 {{!}} FYI: British History Online—limited wider free access {{!}} Bot task: archive pages category {{!}} Lua module error {{!}} You may have lost a long-term contributor because of apparent 'blindness' to a technical problem... {{!}} Lint-noise {{!}} Index:Japan-Korea GSOMIA (English Text).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-20 {{!}} More indexes with deleted source files {{!}} Index:Letters of a Javanese princess, by Raden Adjeng Kartini, 1921.djvu {{!}} A question about Preferences {{!}} Interlanguage link template {{!}} Importing images from Wikidata in author-pages {{!}} Period in the title in the template {{!}} Tech News: 2020-21 {{!}} Discord Chat/Channel in the &quot;Wikimedia Community&quot; Discord server {{!}} Vandalism {{!}} Duplicate Index. {{!}} Some CSS for Vector has been simplified {{!}} Tech News: 2020-22 {{!}} Index:Wm. M. Bell's &quot;pilot&quot;; an authoritative book on the manufacture of candies and ice creams (1911).djvu {{!}} Gutenberg blocked in Italy {{!}} Community Tech Launches Wikisource Improvement Initiative {{!}} Senator Paul on Impeachment of President Trump (our censored version) {{!}} Youtube links and Trump administration video, policy? {{!}} Discussion on encouraging page scans? {{!}} When a source was/is dubious... {{!}} Help with transclusion required. {{!}} Wikilivres is live again {{!}} Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? {{!}} Time to talk nomenclature of author classification by occupation {{!}} Project Gutenberg blocked in Italy}}
*[[/2020-06|June]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-23 {{!}} Question about copyright renewal {{!}} Internet Archive {{!}} Tracking down an old source {{!}} Tech News: 2020-24 {{!}} Main page on mobile {{!}} Stale policy: shortcuts {{!}} Validating texts against alternate sources {{!}} Interwiki is coming back {{!}} Transcluding a collection of interesting tidbits from the PSM project {{!}} Address by Theodore Roosevelt before the convention of the National Progressive Party in Chicago {{!}} Should Category:Formatting templates and Category:Typography templates be combined?| Translation header template -- seems to have just started rendering in duplicate {{!}} Tech News: 2020-25 {{!}} Easy LST overhaul with handy new features|.1 Take 2 {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Auto-generated reports -- to portal: namespace?| British works published after 1925 {{!}} Always needing to confirm when leaving Page editing?| Publication date of files uploaded to en.ws {{!}} A not insubstantial effort at Commons...| I thought you should know (useful tip for transcriptions!)| Empty space at the top of a page {{!}} Transclusion of pages from Oldwikisource {{!}} Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library {{!}} Tech News: 2020-27 {{!}} People moving unsourced pages to make an edition {{!}} Tech News: 2020-26|.1 Changes to the Main Page are coming before 13 July {{!}} Adding texttip functionality to Template:Reconstruct}}
*[[/2020-07|July]]
**{{smaller|Feedback on movement names {{!}} Re-purpose WikiProject OCR to WikiProject Scans {{!}} Tech News: 2020-28 {{!}} FYI: Easy OCR {{!}} Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia {{!}} WikiProject Emory University Libraries {{!}} Backlog of works untagged with {index transcluded} is nearly done! {{!}} Tech News: 2020-29 {{!}} Cleaning up Special:Contributions/Bluealbion {{!}} A brainstorm...checking OCRs against one another {{!}} Old use of the term &quot;advertisement&quot; as a type of preface {{!}} Missing caption {{!}} Styling of contractions {{!}} Inline Wikidata calls {{!}} Hirtle chart issues {{!}} Tech News: 2020-30 {{!}} Brazzaville Manifesto {{!}} Annoying error message when trying to move images to Commons {{!}} Does the MassDelete gadget work as intended here? It's not working at mul.ws {{!}} Please import {{!}} Statistics {{!}} Weird technical issue {{!}} Tech News: 2020-31 {{!}} Shantiniketan; the Bolpur School of Rabindranath Tagore {{!}} HathiTrust {{!}} Proof reader needed: 1812 English handbill {{!}} Is it all right to translate a novel into another language? {{!}} User:350bot {{!}} Adding color images where the original was black and white {{!}} Proposing to delete disambiguation pages that are subpages of works}}
*[[/2020-08|August]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2020-32 {{!}} Tech News: 2020-33 {{!}} &quot;Validated texts&quot; search box on Main Page? {{!}} Feedback requested: Ebook Export Improvement Project {{!}} Tech News: 2020-34 {{!}} Missing pages: Walks in the Black Country {{!}} Preventing a well-intentioned renaming of a page {{!}} FYI: Wikipedia's template for citing LDS scriptures now links to WS {{!}} Template:Missing image showing error {{!}} Portals for ordinary people {{!}} Tech News: 2020-35 {{!}} Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on September 1st {{!}} U.S. copyright of 1929 book {{!}} Image template {{!}} The years of registration vs. publication of the United Nations Treaty Series since Volume 401 {{!}} epub export only targeting the page rather than whole book {{!}} The score extension is still disabled {{!}} CSS and Width in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config {{!}} Linking to external audio recording of song {{!}} Tech News: 2020-36 {{!}} Alternative solution to preferences previously stored in cookies {{!}} Bibliographic data: OCLC, ISSN, DOI, LCCN codes {{!}} Index:A pronouncing and defining dictionary of the Swatow dialect, arranged according to syllables and tones.djvu→Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-09|September]]
**{{smaller|How you find out what other people did {{!}} Not a forum‎ {{!}} Legislation and Version History {{!}} Tech News: 2020-37 {{!}} Missing horizontal rules (height:0 in global CSS) {{!}} Invitation to participate in the conversation {{!}} Tech News: 2020-38 {{!}} File import {{!}} Pagelist widget {{!}} Bigger spaces between paragraphs {{!}} Category conversations—some proposals {{!}} Tech News: 2020-39 {{!}} Math symbols available? {{!}} Index:The famous speeches of the eight Chicago anarchists in court.djvu {{!}} New feature: Watchlist Expiry {{!}} Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup (29th September 2020) {{!}} Relationship with Project Gutenberg {{!}} Tech News: 2020-40 {{!}} Paragraph breaks in footnotes not rendered {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest {{!}} Index:UNTS 1.pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 1.pdf and related pages/transclusions {{!}} m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 {{!}} Index:United Nations Treaties and international agreements registered - Volume 221 (13 November 1955 - 30 November 1955).pdf→Index:UN Treaty Series - vol 221.pdf and related pages/transclusions}}
*[[/2020-10|October]]
**{{smaller|Wikilivres is back {{!}} Tech News: 2020-41 {{!}} Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric {{!}} Disambiguation of Psalm numbers {{!}} Tech News: 2020-42 {{!}} Removing DNB pages, Executive Orders and US Supreme Court decisions from &quot;Random Works&quot; {{!}} Löbel Schottländer (Q1879596) {{!}} Narrow footer and editing window in some layouts {{!}} Gadget to resolve issues with HTML entities like &amp;#39; in Page OCR {{!}} Tech News: 2020-43 {{!}} Side text ? {{!}} Tom Lehrer {{!}} Import pagelist gadget {{!}} DNB biographies have been moved to subpages {{!}} Tech News: 2020-44 {{!}} Important: maintenance operation on October 27 {{!}} Findability {{!}} Community collaboration {{!}} Scottish Chapbooks with blurred pages. {{!}} Call for feedback on archiving POTUS tweets {{!}} Self-published lectures}}
*[[/2020-11|November]]
**{{smaller|Admin edit to MediaWiki page {{!}} Tech News: 2020-45 {{!}} Dotted line {{!}} Country Diary {{!}} Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2 {{!}} Need help for updating proofreadpage update on Telugu Wikisource {{!}} Tech News: 2020-46 {{!}} Template help {{!}} Is this document worthy of uploading to Wikisource? {{!}} OCR Gadget news {{!}} Systemic issue with page-scans. {{!}} Two column layouts {{!}} Tech News: 2020-47 {{!}} Dynamic layouts in other than Main: space... {{!}} Wikisource:TemplateScript {{!}} Flawed template logic... {{!}} Call for insights on ways to better communicate the work of the movement {{!}} First proposal reserved for OCR tool {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Is there really no way? {{!}} Wikimedia meet {{!}} Tech News: 2020-48 {{!}} Bot-y Things? {{!}} Page preloader gadget {{!}} Gadgetisation of the PageNumbers/Dynamic Layouts code: step 1 {{!}} Using Wikisource tech on Wikibooks and elsewhere: MediaWiki extension {{!}} Tech News: 2020-49 {{!}} United Nations Treaty Series {{!}} SpBot and section resolved {{!}} Moynihan report 1965 {{!}} IA Upload not working}}
*[[/2020-12|December]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on November update for Wikisource ebook export project {{!}} Algiers Accords - PD? {{!}} Hey slackers, get to work! {{!}} A main namespace page question {{!}} Template:Translation license {{!}} 1925-1977 yearbooks with no copyright notice {{!}} Slow response times when previewing large pagelist on Index : page {{!}} When is a template justified? {{!}} How to notice existence of a file's hidden first page before uploading? {{!}} 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th {{!}} Entering a new work {{!}} Login &amp; Password Problem {{!}} Tech News: 2020-50 {{!}} Minks, covid and denmark {{!}} The Great Gatsby becoming PD in 2021 {{!}} How can I add a category? {{!}} Community Wishlist Survey 2021 {{!}} Translation license box does not expand {{!}} Captains courageous and version choice. {{!}} Copyright renewal records search engine linked from Help:PD doesn't work {{!}} Tech News: 2020-51 {{!}} Request for retrieval of scans from HathiTrust {{!}} Why does &lt;pages&gt; now put page tag in odd place? {{!}} Template:bar not working anymore {{!}} Index:Pictures form English literature (IA picturesformengl00haml).pdf {{!}} Tech News: 2020-52 {{!}} PastLovingBot for bot status {{!}} Deleted redirect {{!}} Modernising numbers of old style biographical templates, removing project disclaimers {{!}} Sentence case for titles...? {{!}} Is there a standardized way the index page for a newspaper at Wikisource to appear? {{!}} Magazines for scan backing {{!}} Dropinitial: paragraph is gone despite a blank line {{!}} Bug in text file export? {{!}} Template:Engine to index pages by default {{!}} Deblacklisting YouTube, Amazon, eBay etc. for autoconfirmed users {{!}} Duplication of government works (again) {{!}} Anne of Green Gables}}

===2021===
*[[/2021-01|January]]
**{{smaller|Feedback requested on font template {{!}} Reminder: The Wikipedia Library Card Platform {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} The Center of the Web, Part 1? {{!}} Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu {{!}} Can anyone comment on this website of LOC documents? {{!}} Google spreadsheet based tool to help TOC, chapter pages creation {{!}} Impermanence of Sexual Phenotypes by I. A. T. Savillo {{!}} Not leaving redirects behind in moves {{!}} Tech News: 2021-02 {{!}} TOC templates {{!}} Export links in the sidebar {{!}} RFC: Manual addition of license categories to pages??? {{!}} Please join the English Wikisource Discord server {{!}} How do I make corrections to the djvu file? {{!}} Best practices for a magazine {{!}} Page clean-up observation. {{!}} For the sake of simplicity {{!}} Tech News: 2021-03 {{!}} Video games {{!}} Don Q, Son of Zorro {{!}} The Unholy Three (1925 film) {{!}} CSS help wanted {{!}} Alice in Wonderland (1903 film) {{!}} PDF icon {{!}} Share your feedback on the OCR improvements! {{!}} Public Domain Day 2021 |.1 Well let's make it official {{!}} RfC: HotCat and better customisation {{!}} 'Birth of Burns' programme: typography {{!}} Tech News: 2021-04 {{!}} Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event {{!}} Doctor Dolittle's Circus (1924) {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) problem {{!}} Project Grant Open Call {{!}} | portal = {{!}} Proofread? {{!}} Proposal to convert usage of header &quot;categories&quot; to proper categories—ongoing {{!}} RFC: Categorisation of occupations (continued) |.1 Discussion {{!}} Lapitch translation {{!}} The Monster (1925 film) {{!}} Title of an executive order |.1 Older Executive Orders {{!}} Collaboration with Google around Children's literature {{!}} Category:Professors is not an occupation {{!}} Add export/ebooks links to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{new texts}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{!}} Animal Life and the World of Nature/1903/06/Notes and Queries {{!}} Inductivebot}}
*[[/2021-02|February]]
**{{smaller|Tech News: 2021-05 {{!}} Editor's note {{!}} Machine readable {{!}} Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back! {{!}} A table of a geometrical progression {{!}} Commons categories—editions vs works and wikidata items {{!}} Portal vs Author {{!}} Tech News: 2021-06 {{!}} Ellipses and asterisks {{!}} Sharing en.ws main page in Facebook {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done transcribing {{!}} Improving old editions by Wikisource contributors {{!}} New download button in mainspace {{!}} Trumps 2nd impeachment trial {{!}} Films on the main page {{!}} Her Benny page 220 blurred. {{!}} Download links appearing in Page: namespace {{!}} Reinstate license templates in exported texts {{!}} Tech News: 2021-07 {{!}} Found another version of The Lost World (1925) {{!}} Uploading Open Access Scientific papers {{!}} Problems with opening DJVU files and their Index pages {{!}} Tech News: 2021-08 {{!}} Articles from The Conversation {{!}} Tarzan and the Ant Men (1924) done proofreading {{!}} Long s and Ligatures {{!}} Request to upload The Greek Anthology {{!}} The Lost World (1925) New version available {{!}} Two versions of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes {{!}} Missing pages, unsure how to proceed {{!}} Collective work inclusion criteria {{!}} Portal and Author names {{!}} Tall s's {{!}} Move proofread pages after fixing DJVU {{!}} Harmonizing {{!}} On future texts I'd like to work on {{!}} Removing references to Wikisource in Wikipedia {{!}} Copydumps}}
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==Works==
* ''[[Love in Excess; or The Fatal Enquiry, Pts 1 and 2]]'' (1719) {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/loveinexcessorfa00hayw}}
* ''[[The British Recluse]]'' (1722)
* ''[[The Injur'd Husband]]'' (1722)
* ''[[Idalia, or, The Unfortunate Mistress]]'' (1723)
* ''[[The Rash Resolve]]'' (1723)
* ''[[The Masqueraders (Haywood)|The Masqueraders]]'' {{ext scan link|https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/_d9FzpOkG-UC|https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Masqueraders_Or_Fatal_Curiosity_Bein/AAuhsUsDFHgC}}
* ''[[Fantomina, or, Love in a Maze]]'' (1725)
* ''[[The Mercenary Lover]]'' (1726)
* ''[[The City Jilt]]'' (1726)
* ''[[Philidore and Placentia]]''
* ''[[The Fruitless Inquiry]]''
* ''[[Anti-Pamela, or, Feign'd Innocence Detected]]'' (1741) {{ext scan link|https://www.google.com/books/edition/Anti_Pamela_or_Feign_d_Innocence_detecte/BUJWAAAAcAAJ}}
* ''[[A Present for a Servant-Maid, or, The Sure Means of Gaining Love and Esteem]]'' (1743)
* ''[[The Fortunate Foundlings]]'' (1744)
* ''[[The History of Miss Betsy Thoughtless]]'' (1751)
* ''[[The History of Jemmy and Jenny Jessamy]]'' (1752)
* ''[[The Invisible Spy]]'' (1755) {{ext scan link|https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Invisible_Spy/XeIkAAAAMAAJ}}

===Translations===
* ''Love in its variety, being a collection of select novels'' (1727), by [[Author:Matteo Bandello|Matteo Bandello]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/loveinitsvariety00band}}

==Works about Haywood==
*  ''The Life and Romances of Mrs. Eliza Haywood'' (1915), by [[Author:George Frisbie Whicher|George Frisbie Whicher]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lifeandromances01whicgoog}}
* {{DNB link|Haywood, Eliza}}
* {{SBDEL link|Haywood, Mrs. Eliza}}
* {{EB1911 link|Haywood, Eliza}}


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* &quot;[[The Negro Boy (1806, Stirling)/Johnny Coup|Johnny Coup]]&quot;, in ''[[The Negro Boy (1806, Stirling)|The Negro Boy]]'' (1806), a chapbook printed in Stirling
* &quot;[[New garland of choice songs/Johnny Coup|Johnny Coup]]&quot;, in ''[[New garland of choice songs]]'' (n.d.), a chapbook printed in Stirling
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 | description  = Roman political leader and general; instrumental in the transformation of the [[w:Roman Republic|Roman Republic]] into the [[w:Roman Empire|Roman Empire]]. A politician of the [[w:Populares|popular]] faction and a daring military commander, he formed an unofficial [[w:First Triumirate|triumvirate]] with [[w:Pompey|Pompey]] and [[w:Marcus Licinius Crassus|Crassus]], conquered [[w:Gaul|Gaul]], fought and won a [[w:Caesar's civil war|civil war]] against The [[w:Roman Senate|Senate]] and his former ally, Pompey, and became perpetual [[w:Roman dictator|dictator]] of Rome. In 44 BC he was assassinated by senators hoping to restore the Republic, but after 13 years of power struggle and civil war, Caesar's adopted son [[w:Augustus|Augustus]] would establish permanent autocratic rule
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==Works==
===War Commentaries===
* [[Commentaries on the Gallic War|The Gallic War]] (Books 1-7 by Caesar; Book 8 written by [[Author:Aulus Hirtius|Aulus Hirtius]]) [[Image:25%.svg]]
* [[Commentaries on the Civil War|The Civil War]] [[Image:50%.svg]]
* [[The Alexandrian War]] (attributed to Caesar, possibly written by Aulus Hirtius or [[Author:Gaius Oppius|Gaius Oppius]]) [[Image:50%.svg]]
* [[The African War]] (attributed to Caesar, possibly written by Aulus Hirtius or Gaius Oppius) [[Image:50%.svg]]
* [[The Spanish War]] (attributed to Caesar, possibly written by Aulus Hirtius or Gaius Oppius) [[Image:50%.svg]]
* ''[[Commentaries of Caesar (Duncan)|The Commentaries of Caesar...]]'', trans. by [[Author:William Duncan|William Duncan]] (1753)

===Letters===
* [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]], ''[[Letters to friends]]'' [[Letters to friends/7.5|7.5]]: To Caesar in [[w:Gaul|Gaul]], from [[w:Ancient Rome|Rome]], February [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero/54 BC|54 BC]]  [[Image:50%.svg]]
* Fragments of Letters

===Other works===
* Fragments of ''Analogy''
* Fragments of ''Anticato''
* Fragments of Speeches

==Works about Caesar==
* {{NIE link|year=1905|Cæsar, Gaius Julius|author=[[Author:George N. Olcott|George N. Olcott]]}}
* {{EB1911 link|Caesar, Gaius Julius}}
* [[Author:Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus|Suetonius]], ''[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars/Julius Caesar|The Life of Julius Caesar]]''
* [[Author:William Shakespeare (1564-1616)|William Shakespeare]], ''[[The Tragedy of Julius Caesar]]''

===On his works===
* ''[[The Commentaries of Cæsar]]'' by [[Author:Anthony Trollope|Anthony Trollope]] (1870)
* {{Americana Link|year=1920|Cæsar's Commentaries}}

===External links===
* [[Author:Mestrius Plutarchus|Plutarch]], ''[http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Caesar*.html Life of Julius Caesar]''


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*[[/Introductory Essay|Introductory Essay]]
*[[/Preface|Preface]]
*[[/I|Book I. On Select Texts of Scripture]]
*[[/II|Book II. On Occasional Subjects]]
*[[/III|Book III. On the Progress and Changes of the Spiritual Life]]
*[[/Poems|Poems]]

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==Contents==
* [[/Title|Title Page]]
* [[/Copyright|Copyright Page]]
* [[/Preface|Preface]]

===A===
*[[/A/A|A]]
*[[/A/Aanes|Aanes]]
*[[/A/Aaron|Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aaron, Pietro|Aaron, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall|Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Baron|Abaco, Baron]]
*[[/A/Abacus|Abacus]]
*[[/A/Abacus et palmulae|Abacus et palmulae]]
*[[/A/Abacus harmonicus|Abacus harmonicus]]
*[[/A/A ballata|A ballata]]
*[[/A/A battuta|A battuta]]
*[[/A/Abbandone, abbandono, con|Abbandone, abbandono, con]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento|Abbassamento]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di mano|Abbassamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di voce|Abbassamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Abbatini, Antonio Maria|Abbatini, Antonio Maria]]
*[[/A/Abbreviation|Abbreviation]]
*[[/A/Abeille, Louis|Abeille, Louis]]
*[[/A/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]
*[[/A/Abeille|Abeille]]
*[[/A/Abelard, Peter|Abelard, Peter]]
*[[/A/Abel, Leopold Augustus|Abel, Leopold Augustus]]
*[[/A/Abel, Charles Frederic|Abel, Charles Frederic]]
*[[/A/Abell, John|Abell, John]]
*[[/A/Abel, Thomas|Abel, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Abel, Aamor Henry|Abel, Aamor Henry]]
*[[/A/Abel, J. E.|Abel, J. E.]]
*[[/A/Abeltshauser|Abeltshauser]]
*[[/A/A beneplacito|A beneplacito]]
*[[/A/Abilita|Abilita]]
*[[/A/Abingdon, Lord|Abingdon, Lord]]
*[[/A/Abos, Syr|Abos, Syr]]
*[[/A/Abraham|Abraham]]
*[[/A/Abrams, Miss|Abrams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Abridgment|Abridgment]]
*[[/A/Absatz|Absatz]]
*[[/A/Abt, Franz|Abt, Franz]]
*[[/A/Abwechselnd|Abwechselnd]]
*[[/A/Academia musicale|Academia musicale]]
*[[/A/Academie royale|Academie royale]]
*[[/A/Academy|Academy]]
*[[/A/Academy, musical|Academy, musical]]
*[[/A/Academy, royal|Academy, royal]]
*[[/A/Academy of ancient music|Academy of ancient music]]
*[[/A/A capella|A capella]]
*[[/A/A capriccio|A capriccio]]
*[[/A/Acathist js|Acathist js]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevole|Accarezzevole]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevolmento|Accarezzevolmento]]
*[[/A/Accel|Accel]]
*[[/A/Accelerando|Accelerando]]
*[[/A/Accelerato|Accelerato]]
*[[/A/Acceldo|Acceldo]]
*[[/A/Accent|Accent]]
*[[/A/Accented|Accented]]
*[[/A/Accenter|Accenter]]
*[[/A/Accents|Accents]]
*[[/A/Accentuation|Accentuation]]
*[[/A/Accent of notes|Accent of notes]]
*[[/A/Accent of feeling|Accent of feeling]]
*[[/A/Accessory parts|Accessory parts]]
*[[/A/Accessory sounds|Accessory sounds]]
*[[/A/Accessory tones|Accessory tones]]
*[[/A/Acciaccare|Acciaccare]]
*[[/A/Acciaccatura|Acciaccatura]]
*[[/A/Acciajuoli, Filippo|Acciajuoli, Filippo]]
*[[/A/Accidens|Accidens]]
*[[/A/Accidental|Accidental]]
*[[/A/Accidentals|Accidentals]]
*[[/A/Accidental chords|Accidental chords]]
*[[/A/Accidental harmonies|Accidental harmonies]]
*[[/A/Accidental notes|Accidental notes]]
*[[/A/Accolade|Accolade]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment|Accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Accomp|Accomp]]
*[[/A/Accompagnamento|Accompagnamento]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment ad libitum|Accompaniment ad libitum]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment obligato|Accompaniment obligato]]
*[[/A/Accompaniments|Accompaniments]]
*[[/A/Accompanist|Accompanist]]
*[[/A/Accompany|Accompany]]
*[[/A/Accopiate|Accopiate]]
*[[/A/Accordeon|Accordeon]]
*[[/A/Accordando|Accordando]]
*[[/A/Accordare|Accordare]]
*[[/A/Accordatura|Accordatura]]
*[[/A/Accorder|Accorder]]
*[[/A/Accord|Accord]]
*[[/A/Accorimbani, Agostino|Accorimbani, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Accorimboni, Baldassaro|Accorimboni, Baldassaro]]
*[[/A/Accresstmento|Accresstmento]]
*[[/A/Accres|Accres]]
*[[/A/A cembalo|A cembalo]]
*[[/A/Acetabulum|Acetabulum]]
*[[/A/Achtelnote|Achtelnote]]
*[[/A/Ackermann, Madame|Ackermann, Madame]]
*[[/A/Acoemetae|Acoemetae]]
*[[/A/Acolythi|Acolythi]]
*[[/A/Acolythia|Acolythia]]
*[[/A/Acoustics|Acoustics]]
*[[/A/Actor|Actor]]
*[[/A/Acts|Acts]]
*[[/A/Actis, Abbe|Actis, Abbe]]
*[[/A/Act tunes|Act tunes]]
*[[/A/Acumen|Acumen]]
*[[/A/Acute|Acute]]
*[[/A/Acuteness|Acuteness]]
*[[/A/Adagio|Adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio-adagio|Adagio-adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio assai|Adagio assai]]
*[[/A/Adagio cantabile e sostenuto|Adagio cantabile e sostenuto]]
*[[/A/Adagissimo|Adagissimo]]
*[[/A/Adagio patetico|Adagio patetico]]
*[[/A/Adam, Adolph Charles|Adam, Adolph Charles]]
*[[/A/Adam De Fulda|Adam De Fulda]]
*[[/A/Adam, D. Vicente|Adam, D. Vicente]]
*[[/A/Adam, Louis|Adam, Louis]]
*[[/A/Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea|Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea]]
*[[/A/Adami Ern Est, Daniel|Adami Ern Est, Daniel]]
*[[/A/Adams, Miss|Adams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Adamus, Dorensis|Adamus, Dorensis]]
*[[/A/Adasio|Adasio]]
*[[/A/Adcock, Abraham|Adcock, Abraham]]
*[[/A/Adcock, James|Adcock, James]]
*[[/A/Added lines|Added lines]]
*[[/A/Added sixth|Added sixth]]
*[[/A/Addimari, Luigi|Addimari, Luigi]]
*[[/A/Addison, John|Addison, John]]
*[[/A/Addition|Addition]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, lyre|Aeolian harp, lyre]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, natural one|Aeolian harp, natural one]]
*[[/A/Aeolian attachment|Aeolian attachment]]
*[[/A/Aeolodicon|Aeolodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolomelodicon|Aeolomelodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolopantalon|Aeolopantalon]]
*[[/A/Aeolus' harp|Aeolus' harp]]
*[[/A/Aequisonant|Aequisonant]]
*[[/A/Aequivagans|Aequivagans]]
*[[/A/Aesthetics|Aesthetics]]
*[[/A/Affabile|Affabile]]
*[[/A/Affetto|Affetto]]
*[[/A/Affettuoso|Affettuoso]]
*[[/A/Affettuosissimo|Affettuosissimo]]
*[[/A/Affilard|Affilard]]
*[[/A/Affinity|Affinity]]
*[[/A/Afflizione|Afflizione]]
*[[/A/A flat|A flat]]
*[[/A/A flat, major|A flat, major]]
*[[/A/Affrettando, affrettate|Affrettando, affrettate]]
*[[/A/Afranio|Afranio]]
*[[/A/After notes|After notes]]
*[[/A/Agathon|Agathon]]
*[[/A/Agazzari, Augustino|Agazzari, Augustino]]
*[[/A/Agazzi|Agazzi]]
*[[/A/Agelaus|Agelaus]]
*[[/A/Aghte, F. W|Aghte, F. W]]
*[[/A/Agia|Agia]]
*[[/A/Agilita|Agilita]]
*[[/A/Agitato|Agitato]]
*[[/A/Agitato allegro|Agitato allegro]]
*[[/A/Agitato un poco|Agitato un poco]]
*[[/A/Agnelli, Lorenzo|Agnelli, Lorenzo]]
*[[/A/Agnesi, Maria Teresa|Agnesi, Maria Teresa]]
*[[/A/Agnus dei|Agnus dei]]
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*[[/A/Archangelus|Archangelus]]
*[[/A/Archenius|Archenius]]
*[[/A/Archestratus|Archestratus]]
*[[/A/Archet|Archet]]
*[[/A/Arch-lute|Arch-lute]]
*[[/A/Archilei, La Vittoria|Archilei, La Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Archilochus|Archilochus]]
*[[/A/Archimedes|Archimedes]]
*[[/A/Archinta, M|Archinta, M]]
*[[/A/Archytas|Archytas]]
*[[/A/Archytas's genera|Archytas's genera]]
*[[/A/Arco|Arco]]
*[[/A/Arcoleo, A|Arcoleo, A]]
*[[/A/Ardalus|Ardalus]]
*[[/A/Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare|Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare]]
*[[/A/Ardespin, Melchior D'|Ardespin, Melchior D']]
*[[/A/Ardito|Ardito]]
*[[/A/Ardore, Marquis De St|Ardore, Marquis De St]]
*[[/A/Arena, Giuseppe|Arena, Giuseppe]]
*[[/A/Aresti, Floriano|Aresti, Floriano]]
*[[/A/Aretin, Guy|Aretin, Guy]]
*[[/A/Aretina, Guido|Aretina, Guido]]
*[[/A/Aretinian syllables|Aretinian syllables]]
*[[/A/Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni|Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni]]
*[[/A/Aretinus, Paolo|Aretinus, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Arevalo, Faustino|Arevalo, Faustino]]
*[[/A/Arezeto, A|Arezeto, A]]
*[[/A/Argenti, Augustin|Argenti, Augustin]]
*[[/A/Argentilly, Carlo D'|Argentilly, Carlo D']]
*[[/A/Argentini, Steffano|Argentini, Steffano]]
*[[/A/Argentini, Cesare|Argentini, Cesare]]
*[[/A/Argives|Argives]]
*[[/A/Argyropilus|Argyropilus]]
*[[/A/Aria|Aria]]
*[[/A/Aria. buffa|Aria. buffa]]
*[[/A/Aria d'abilita|Aria d'abilita]]
*[[/A/Aria concertata|Aria concertata]]
*[[/A/Aria di bravura|Aria di bravura]]
*[[/A/Arla di cantabile|Arla di cantabile]]
*[[/A/Aria fugata|Aria fugata]]
*[[/A/Arianus, Johann L|Arianus, Johann L]]
*[[/A/Aria parlante|Aria parlante]]
*[[/A/Aria tedesca|Aria tedesca]]
*[[/A/Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo|Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo]]
*[[/A/Aribo|Aribo]]
*[[/A/Arie aggiunte|Arie aggiunte]]
*[[/A/Arietta|Arietta]]
*[[/A/Arietta alla veneziana|Arietta alla veneziana]]
*[[/A/Ariettina|Ariettina]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Francesco|Arigoni, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Giov|Arigoni, Giov]]
*[[/A/Arion|Arion]]
*[[/A/Ariose cantate|Ariose cantate]]
*[[/A/Arioso|Arioso]]
*[[/A/Ariosti, Attilio|Ariosti, Attilio]]
*[[/A/Arisi, F|Arisi, F]]
*[[/A/Aristeas|Aristeas]]
*[[/A/Aristides Quintilianus|Aristides Quintilianus]]
*[[/A/Aristocles|Aristocles]]
*[[/A/Aristonicus|Aristonicus]]
*[[/A/Aristonous|Aristonous]]
*[[/A/Aristonymus|Aristonymus]]
*[[/A/Aristophanes|Aristophanes]]
*[[/A/Aristotle|Aristotle]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenu|Aristoxenu]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus|Aristoxenus]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus's genera|Aristoxenus's genera]]
*[[/A/Arkadelt|Arkadelt]]
*[[/A/Armand, Mesdemoiselles|Armand, Mesdemoiselles]]
*[[/A/Armandolino, Giovanni Battista|Armandolino, Giovanni Battista]]
*[[/A/Armon|Armon]]
*[[/A/Armonia|Armonia]]
*[[/A/Armonica|Armonica]]
*[[/A/Armsdorff, Andreas|Armsdorff, Andreas]]
*[[/A/Armstrong, Sir Richard|Armstrong, Sir Richard]]
*[[/A/Arnaldus|Arnaldus]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, L'abbe|Arnaud, L'abbe]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Pierre|Arnaud, Pierre]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Madame|Arnaud, Madame]]
*[[/A/Arne, Dr|Arne, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arne, Mrs|Arne, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Arne, Michael|Arne, Michael]]
*[[/A/Arne, Miss|Arne, Miss]]
*[[/A/Arnestus|Arnestus]]
*[[/A/Arnkiel, T|Arnkiel, T]]
*[[/A/Arnold, George|Arnold, George]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ferdinand|Arnold, Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand|Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Johann Gottfried|Arnold, Johann Gottfried]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Dr|Arnold, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arnold, C|Arnold, C]]
*[[/A/Arnone, Guglielmo|Arnone, Guglielmo]]
*[[/A/Arnould, Sophia|Arnould, Sophia]]
*[[/A/Arnull|Arnull]]
*[[/A/Arnulphus|Arnulphus]]
*[[/A/Aron|Aron]]
*[[/A/Arpa|Arpa]]
*[[/A/Arpa doppia|Arpa doppia]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiato|Arpeggiato]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiatura|Arpeggiatura]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio|Arpeggio]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio accompaniment|Arpeggio accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Arpilcueta|Arpilcueta]]
*[[/A/Arrangement|Arrangement]]
*[[/A/Arrhenius, Laurent|Arrhenius, Laurent]]
*[[/A/Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De|Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De]]
*[[/A/Arrighi, Pietro Dominico|Arrighi, Pietro Dominico]]
*[[/A/Arrighus, Joan Battista|Arrighus, Joan Battista]]
*[[/A/Arrigo Tedesco|Arrigo Tedesco]]
*[[/A/Arrigoni|Arrigoni]]
*[[/A/Arrobat, Coste D'|Arrobat, Coste D']]
*[[/A/Ars canendi|Ars canendi]]
*[[/A/Ars componendi|Ars componendi]]
*[[/A/Arsis|Arsis]]
*[[/A/Artemanio, G. C|Artemanio, G. C]]
*[[/A/Arthur Aux Couteaux|Arthur Aux Couteaux]]
*[[/A/Articulation|Articulation]]
*[[/A/Articulato|Articulato]]
*[[/A/Artificial|Artificial]]
*[[/A/Artificial compound|Artificial compound]]
*[[/A/Artificial harmony|Artificial harmony]]
*[[/A/Artificial scale|Artificial scale]]
*[[/A/Art of music|Art of music]]
*[[/A/Art of reading from a score|Art of reading from a score]]
*[[/A/Artemira|Artemira]]
*[[/A/Artot, Joseph|Artot, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Arts, Fine|Arts, Fine]]
*[[/A/Artufel, Damianus D'|Artufel, Damianus D']]
*[[/A/Artus|Artus]]
*[[/A/Artusi, Giovanni Maria|Artusi, Giovanni Maria]]
*[[/A/As|As]]
*[[/A/Asaph|Asaph]]
*[[/A/Aschenbrenner, Christian|Aschenbrenner, Christian]]
*[[/A/As dur|As dur]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Andrew|Ashe, Andrew]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Mrs|Ashe, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Misses|Ashe, Misses]]
*[[/A/Ashley, General|Ashley, General]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John James|Ashley, John James]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Charles|Ashley, Charles]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Richard|Ashley, Richard]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John|Ashley, John]]
*[[/A/Ashwell, T|Ashwell, T]]
*[[/A/Ashworth|Ashworth]]
*[[/A/As moll|As moll]]
*[[/A/Asperges me|Asperges me]]
*[[/A/Asprezza|Asprezza]]
*[[/A/Assai|Assai]]
*[[/A/Assoluto|Assoluto]]
*[[/A/Asioli, Bonifazio|Asioli, Bonifazio]]
*[[/A/Asola|Asola]]
*[[/A/Asor|Asor]]
*[[/A/Aspelmeyer|Aspelmeyer]]
*[[/A/Aspull, George|Aspull, George]]
*[[/A/Assmayer|Assmayer]]
*[[/A/Assouci, Charles Coypeau D'|Assouci, Charles Coypeau D']]
*[[/A/Assuni|Assuni]]
*[[/A/Astarita, Gennaro|Astarita, Gennaro]]
*[[/A/Aster, David|Aster, David]]
*[[/A/Astier|Astier]]
*[[/A/Aston|Aston]]
*[[/A/Astorga, Baron Emanuele D'|Astorga, Baron Emanuele D']]
*[[/A/Astorga, J. O|Astorga, J. O]]
*[[/A/Astrua, Giovanna|Astrua, Giovanna]]
*[[/A/Asula|Asula]]
*[[/A/A tempo|A tempo]]
*[[/A/A tempo di gavotta|A tempo di gavotta]]
*[[/A/A tempo giusto|A tempo giusto]]
*[[/A/Athanasius|Athanasius]]
*[[/A/Athenaeus|Athenaeus]]
*[[/A/Atherstane|Atherstane]]
*[[/A/A tre|A tre]]
*[[/A/Atis|Atis]]
*[[/A/Attaccato subito|Attaccato subito]]
*[[/A/Attacca, attacca subito|Attacca, attacca subito]]
*[[/A/Attendant keys|Attendant keys]]
*[[/A/Atterbury|Atterbury]]
*[[/A/Attilio|Attilio]]
*[[/A/Atto|Atto]]
*[[/A/Atto di cadenza|Atto di cadenza]]
*[[/A/Attori, attrici|Attori, attrici]]
*[[/A/Attwood, Thomas|Attwood, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Aubade|Aubade]]
*[[/A/Auberlen, S. G|Auberlen, S. G]]
*[[/A/Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit|Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit]]
*[[/A/Aubert|Aubert]]
*[[/A/Aubert, P. F. Olivier|Aubert, P. F. Olivier]]
*[[/A/Auberti|Auberti]]
*[[/A/Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D'|Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D']]
*[[/A/Aubin, Madame St|Aubin, Madame St]]
*[[/A/Audace|Audace]]
*[[/A/Audibility Of Sound|Audibility Of Sound]]
*[[/A/Audinot|Audinot]]
*[[/A/Audinot, Mlle|Audinot, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Auenbrugger, F|Auenbrugger, F]]
*[[/A/Aufhaltung|Aufhaltung]]
*[[/A/Aufl|Aufl]]
*[[/A/Auffman, J. A|Auffman, J. A]]
*[[/A/Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton|Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton]]
*[[/A/Augmentation|Augmentation]]
*[[/A/Augustin|Augustin]]
*[[/A/Augustini, Paolo|Augustini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Augustinus, Aurelius|Augustinus, Aurelius]]
*[[/A/Aulberus|Aulberus]]
*[[/A/Auletta|Auletta]]
*[[/A/Auletes|Auletes]]
*[[/A/Aulnaye, M. De L'|Aulnaye, M. De L']]
*[[/A/Aulus Gellius|Aulus Gellius]]
*[[/A/Aumann, Dietrich Christian|Aumann, Dietrich Christian]]
*[[/A/Aumer|Aumer]]
*[[/A/A una corda|A una corda]]
*[[/A/Aureli, A|Aureli, A]]
*[[/A/Aurelianus Reomensis|Aurelianus Reomensis]]
*[[/A/Aurenhammer, Madame|Aurenhammer, Madame]]
*[[/A/Auriemma|Auriemma]]
*[[/A/Aurisicchio|Aurisicchio]]
*[[/A/Aus|Aus]]
*[[/A/Ausarbeitung|Ausarbeitung]]
*[[/A/Ausdehnung|Ausdehnung]]
*[[/A/Ausdruck|Ausdruck]]
*[[/A/Ausweichung|Ausweichung]]
*[[/A/Autentico|Autentico]]
*[[/A/Authentic|Authentic]]
*[[/A/Authentic melodies|Authentic melodies]]
*[[/A/Authentic modes or tones|Authentic modes or tones]]
*[[/A/Authentic or perfect cadence|Authentic or perfect cadence]]
*[[/A/Automaton|Automaton]]
*[[/A/Autos sacramentales|Autos sacramentales]]
*[[/A/Autreau, J|Autreau, J]]
*[[/A/Auvergne, Antoine D'|Auvergne, Antoine D']]
*[[/A/Auvray, J. B|Auvray, J. B]]
*[[/A/Avantano, P|Avantano, P]]
*[[/A/Avanzolini, Girolamo|Avanzolini, Girolamo]]
*[[/A/Avaux, D'|Avaux, D']]
*[[/A/Avella, Giovanni D'|Avella, Giovanni D']]
*[[/A/Ave maria|Ave maria]]
*[[/A/Avena|Avena]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Johann|Avenarius, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Philippe|Avenarius, Philippe]]
*[[/A/Aventinus, Johannes|Aventinus, Johannes]]
*[[/A/Avertel|Avertel]]
*[[/A/Avia, J|Avia, J]]
*[[/A/Avianus, Johann|Avianus, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avicenna|Avicenna]]
*[[/A/Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be|Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be]]
*[[/A/Avison, Charles|Avison, Charles]]
*[[/A/A vista|A vista]]
*[[/A/Avollo|Avollo]]
*[[/A/Avontano, Pietro|Avontano, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Avosani, Orfeo|Avosani, Orfeo]]
*[[/A/Axamenta|Axamenta]]
*[[/A/Axt, F. S|Axt, F. S]]
*[[/A/Aylward, Theodore|Aylward, Theodore]]
*[[/A/Ayrton, Dr|Ayrton, Dr]]
*[[/A/Azais|Azais]]
*[[/A/Azione sacra|Azione sacra]]
*[[/A/Azopardi, Francesco|Azopardi, Francesco]]

===B===
*[[/B/B|B]]
*[[/B/Babbi, C|Babbi, C]]
*[[/B/Babbi, Gregorio|Babbi, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Babbini, Matteo|Babbini, Matteo]]
*[[/B/Babell, William|Babell, William]]
*[[/B/Babticocchi|Babticocchi]]
*[[/B/B above g gamut|B above g gamut]]
*[[/B/B above the bass clef note|B above the bass clef note]]
*[[/B/B above the treble clef note|B above the treble clef note]]
*[[/B/Bacchius|Bacchius]]
*[[/B/Bacci, Pietro Giacomo|Bacci, Pietro Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Baccusi, Hippolita|Baccusi, Hippolita]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Sebastian|Bach, John Sebastian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel|Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Christian|Bach, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich|Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann|Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann]]
*[[/B/Bach, Cecilia|Bach, Cecilia]]
*[[/B/Bach, Friedrich Ludwig|Bach, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, George Christopher|Bach, George Christopher]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Bernhard|Bach, Johann Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph|Bach, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ernst|Bach, Johann Ernst]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ludwig|Bach, Johann Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Michael|Bach, Johann Michael]]
*[[/B/Bach, Oswald|Bach, Oswald]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm|Bach, Wilhelm]]
*[[/B/Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De|Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De]]
*[[/B/Bachelor of music|Bachelor of music]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Carl Ludwig|Bachmann, Carl Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine|Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Gottlob|Bachmann, Gottlob]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, J|Bachmann, J]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Pater Sixt|Bachmann, Pater Sixt]]
*[[/B/Bachschmidt|Bachschmidt]]
*[[/B/Bacilly, B|Bacilly, B]]
*[[/B/Backofen, J. G. H|Backofen, J. G. H]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Ernst|Backofen, Ernst]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Gottfried|Backofen, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Badia, Carlo Agostino|Badia, Carlo Agostino]]
*[[/B/Badinage|Badinage]]
*[[/B/Badonini|Badonini]]
*[[/B/Baehr, Joseph|Baehr, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Baeumel|Baeumel]]
*[[/B/Baeumer, Friedrich|Baeumer, Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bagatella, Antonio|Bagatella, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bagatti Francesco|Bagatti Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De|Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Francois|Baglioni, Francois]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Louis|Baglioni, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bagpipe|Bagpipe]]
*[[/B/Bahidt|Bahidt]]
*[[/B/Bahn, T. G|Bahn, T. G]]
*[[/B/Baif, John Antony De|Baif, John Antony De]]
*[[/B/Baildon|Baildon]]
*[[/B/Bailey, Anselm|Bailey, Anselm]]
*[[/B/Baillon, P|Baillon, P]]
*[[/B/Baillot, Pierre|Baillot, Pierre]]
*[[/B/Baillou, Luigi|Baillou, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Bailly, M|Bailly, M]]
*[[/B/Baini, Lorenzo|Baini, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bainville|Bainville]]
*[[/B/Baker, Dr|Baker, Dr]]
*[[/B/Balarini|Balarini]]
*[[/B/Balbatre, Claude|Balbatre, Claude]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Lorenzo|Balbi, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ignatius|Balbi, Ignatius]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ludovico|Balbi, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Baldacini, Antonio Luigi|Baldacini, Antonio Luigi]]
*[[/B/Baldan|Baldan]]
*[[/B/Baldeneker, U|Baldeneker, U]]
*[[/B/Baldi|Baldi]]
*[[/B/Balducci|Balducci]]
*[[/B/Balestra, R|Balestra, R]]
*[[/B/Baletti, Riccob|Baletti, Riccob]]
*[[/B/Ballabene, Gregorio|Ballabene, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Ballad|Ballad]]
*[[/B/Ballad singer|Ballad singer]]
*[[/B/Ballad style|Ballad style]]
*[[/B/Ballare|Ballare]]
*[[/B/Ballata|Ballata]]
*[[/B/Balino|Balino]]
*[[/B/Ballarotti|Ballarotti]]
*[[/B/Balletti, Mademoiselle|Balletti, Mademoiselle]]
*[[/B/Ballet|Ballet]]
*[[/B/Balletto|Balletto]]
*[[/B/Ballet master|Ballet master]]
*[[/B/Balli|Balli]]
*[[/B/Ballicourt|Ballicourt]]
*[[/B/Balliere, C. L. D|Balliere, C. L. D]]
*[[/B/Ballo|Ballo]]
*[[/B/Balfe|Balfe]]
*[[/B/Baltazarini|Baltazarini]]
*[[/B/Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy|Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy]]
*[[/B/Baltzar, Thomas|Baltzar, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Balvansky|Balvansky]]
*[[/B/Balziani, Leonardo|Balziani, Leonardo]]
*[[/B/Bamberger, Madame|Bamberger, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bambini, F|Bambini, F]]
*[[/B/Banchieri, Ariano|Banchieri, Ariano]]
*[[/B/Banczakewic|Banczakewic]]
*[[/B/Band|Band]]
*[[/B/Banderali|Banderali]]
*[[/B/Bandini, Angelo Maria|Bandini, Angelo Maria]]
*[[/B/Band ore|Band ore]]
*[[/B/Banester, G|Banester, G]]
*[[/B/Banister, John|Banister, John]]
*[[/B/Banister, Charles|Banister, Charles]]
*[[/B/Banister, H. J|Banister, H. J]]
*[[/B/Banjo|Banjo]]
*[[/B/Bank, J. C. H|Bank, J. C. H]]
*[[/B/Bankhart|Bankhart]]
*[[/B/Banneux|Banneux]]
*[[/B/Bannus, John Albertus|Bannus, John Albertus]]
*[[/B/Banti, Brigada Georgi|Banti, Brigada Georgi]]
*[[/B/Banwart, Jacob|Banwart, Jacob]]
*[[/B/Baptista, Fr|Baptista, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, John|Baptiste, John]]
*[[/B/Baptiste|Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, Ludwig Alb|Baptiste, Ludwig Alb]]
*[[/B/Baptistin|Baptistin]]
*[[/B/Bar|Bar]]
*[[/B/Baranelli|Baranelli]]
*[[/B/Baranius, Henrietta|Baranius, Henrietta]]
*[[/B/Baravicini, Madame|Baravicini, Madame]]
*[[/B/Barba, Daniel|Barba, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Barbant, Charles|Barbant, Charles]]
*[[/B/Barbarino, Bartolomeo|Barbarino, Bartolomeo]]
*[[/B/Barbarism|Barbarism]]
*[[/B/Barbarous|Barbarous]]
*[[/B/Barbella, Emanuele|Barbella, Emanuele]]
*[[/B/Barber|Barber]]
*[[/B/Barbici|Barbici]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Madame Walbonne|Barbier, Madame Walbonne]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Mrs|Barbier, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barbiere|Barbiere]]
*[[/B/Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo|Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo]]
*[[/B/Barbud|Barbud]]
*[[/B/Barca, Don Alessandro|Barca, Don Alessandro]]
*[[/B/Barcarolles, barcorelles|Barcarolles, barcorelles]]
*[[/B/Bard|Bard]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Giovanni De|Bardi, Giovanni De]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Girolamo|Bardi, Girolamo]]
*[[/B/Baretti, Giuseppe|Baretti, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Baretti, A|Baretti, A]]
*[[/B/Bargaglia, Scipione|Bargaglia, Scipione]]
*[[/B/Barille|Barille]]
*[[/B/Barilli, Madame|Barilli, Madame]]
*[[/B/Baripicni|Baripicni]]
*[[/B/Baritono voice|Baritono voice]]
*[[/B/Baritono clef|Baritono clef]]
*[[/B/Barizel|Barizel]]
*[[/B/Barly|Barly]]
*[[/B/Barman, F|Barman, F]]
*[[/B/Barmann, Johann Baptist|Barmann, Johann Baptist]]
*[[/B/Barnard, Rev|Barnard, Rev]]
*[[/B/Barnett, John|Barnett, John]]
*[[/B/Barni, Camille|Barni, Camille]]
*[[/B/Baron, Ernst Gottlieb|Baron, Ernst Gottlieb]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Adriana|Baroni, Adriana]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Antonio|Baroni, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Catharina|Baroni, Catharina]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Leonora|Baroni, Leonora]]
*[[/B/Baroque|Baroque]]
*[[/B/Barre|Barre]]
*[[/B/Barre, Antonio|Barre, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Barre, Trille La|Barre, Trille La]]
*[[/B/Barred c|Barred c]]
*[[/B/Barred semicircle|Barred semicircle]]
*[[/B/Barrel organ|Barrel organ]]
*[[/B/Barrett, John|Barrett, John]]
*[[/B/Barretti|Barretti]]
*[[/B/Barriere, E. B. J|Barriere, E. B. J]]
*[[/B/Barrington, Hon|Barrington, Hon]]
*[[/B/Barsanti, Francesco|Barsanti, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Barta|Barta]]
*[[/B/Bartali, A|Bartali, A]]
*[[/B/Bartelozzi, B|Bartelozzi, B]]
*[[/B/Barth, Christian Samuel|Barth, Christian Samuel]]
*[[/B/Barth, F. P|Barth, F. P]]
*[[/B/Barthel, Johann Christian|Barthel, Johann Christian]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, F|Barthelemon, F]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, Mrs|Barthelemon, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barthoffer|Barthoffer]]
*[[/B/Bartholdy|Bartholdy]]
*[[/B/Bartholini, Rindio|Bartholini, Rindio]]
*[[/B/Bartholomaeus|Bartholomaeus]]
*[[/B/Bartleman, J|Bartleman, J]]
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*[[/B/Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De|Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De]]
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*[[/B/Boehm, Gottfried|Boehm, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Boehmer|Boehmer]]
*[[/B/Boeker, H|Boeker, H]]
*[[/B/Boelsche, J.|Boelsche, J.]]
*[[/B/Boensenhoenig, Josepha|Boesenhoenig Josepha]]
*[[/B/Boesset, Jean Baptiste|Boesset, Jean Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Boethius, A. M. T. S.|Boethius, A. M. T. S.]]
*[[/B/Boettner, John Christian|Boettner, John Christian]]


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 | title    = Complete Encyclopaedia of Music
 | author   = John Weeks Moore
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 | year = 1880
 | notes    = This is the 1880 edition. 
{{engine|the Complete Encyclopaedia of Music}}
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}}
[[Category:Encyclopedias]]
[[Category:Music]]
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==Contents==
* [[/Title|Title Page]]
* [[/Copyright|Copyright Page]]
* [[/Preface|Preface]]

===A===
*[[/A/A|A]]
*[[/A/Aanes|Aanes]]
*[[/A/Aaron|Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aaron, Pietro|Aaron, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall|Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Baron|Abaco, Baron]]
*[[/A/Abacus|Abacus]]
*[[/A/Abacus et palmulae|Abacus et palmulae]]
*[[/A/Abacus harmonicus|Abacus harmonicus]]
*[[/A/A ballata|A ballata]]
*[[/A/A battuta|A battuta]]
*[[/A/Abbandone, abbandono, con|Abbandone, abbandono, con]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento|Abbassamento]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di mano|Abbassamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di voce|Abbassamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Abbatini, Antonio Maria|Abbatini, Antonio Maria]]
*[[/A/Abbreviation|Abbreviation]]
*[[/A/Abeille, Louis|Abeille, Louis]]
*[[/A/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]
*[[/A/Abeille|Abeille]]
*[[/A/Abelard, Peter|Abelard, Peter]]
*[[/A/Abel, Leopold Augustus|Abel, Leopold Augustus]]
*[[/A/Abel, Charles Frederic|Abel, Charles Frederic]]
*[[/A/Abell, John|Abell, John]]
*[[/A/Abel, Thomas|Abel, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Abel, Aamor Henry|Abel, Aamor Henry]]
*[[/A/Abel, J. E.|Abel, J. E.]]
*[[/A/Abeltshauser|Abeltshauser]]
*[[/A/A beneplacito|A beneplacito]]
*[[/A/Abilita|Abilita]]
*[[/A/Abingdon, Lord|Abingdon, Lord]]
*[[/A/Abos, Syr|Abos, Syr]]
*[[/A/Abraham|Abraham]]
*[[/A/Abrams, Miss|Abrams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Abridgment|Abridgment]]
*[[/A/Absatz|Absatz]]
*[[/A/Abt, Franz|Abt, Franz]]
*[[/A/Abwechselnd|Abwechselnd]]
*[[/A/Academia musicale|Academia musicale]]
*[[/A/Academie royale|Academie royale]]
*[[/A/Academy|Academy]]
*[[/A/Academy, musical|Academy, musical]]
*[[/A/Academy, royal|Academy, royal]]
*[[/A/Academy of ancient music|Academy of ancient music]]
*[[/A/A capella|A capella]]
*[[/A/A capriccio|A capriccio]]
*[[/A/Acathist js|Acathist js]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevole|Accarezzevole]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevolmento|Accarezzevolmento]]
*[[/A/Accel|Accel]]
*[[/A/Accelerando|Accelerando]]
*[[/A/Accelerato|Accelerato]]
*[[/A/Acceldo|Acceldo]]
*[[/A/Accent|Accent]]
*[[/A/Accented|Accented]]
*[[/A/Accenter|Accenter]]
*[[/A/Accents|Accents]]
*[[/A/Accentuation|Accentuation]]
*[[/A/Accent of notes|Accent of notes]]
*[[/A/Accent of feeling|Accent of feeling]]
*[[/A/Accessory parts|Accessory parts]]
*[[/A/Accessory sounds|Accessory sounds]]
*[[/A/Accessory tones|Accessory tones]]
*[[/A/Acciaccare|Acciaccare]]
*[[/A/Acciaccatura|Acciaccatura]]
*[[/A/Acciajuoli, Filippo|Acciajuoli, Filippo]]
*[[/A/Accidens|Accidens]]
*[[/A/Accidental|Accidental]]
*[[/A/Accidentals|Accidentals]]
*[[/A/Accidental chords|Accidental chords]]
*[[/A/Accidental harmonies|Accidental harmonies]]
*[[/A/Accidental notes|Accidental notes]]
*[[/A/Accolade|Accolade]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment|Accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Accomp|Accomp]]
*[[/A/Accompagnamento|Accompagnamento]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment ad libitum|Accompaniment ad libitum]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment obligato|Accompaniment obligato]]
*[[/A/Accompaniments|Accompaniments]]
*[[/A/Accompanist|Accompanist]]
*[[/A/Accompany|Accompany]]
*[[/A/Accopiate|Accopiate]]
*[[/A/Accordeon|Accordeon]]
*[[/A/Accordando|Accordando]]
*[[/A/Accordare|Accordare]]
*[[/A/Accordatura|Accordatura]]
*[[/A/Accorder|Accorder]]
*[[/A/Accord|Accord]]
*[[/A/Accorimbani, Agostino|Accorimbani, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Accorimboni, Baldassaro|Accorimboni, Baldassaro]]
*[[/A/Accresstmento|Accresstmento]]
*[[/A/Accres|Accres]]
*[[/A/A cembalo|A cembalo]]
*[[/A/Acetabulum|Acetabulum]]
*[[/A/Achtelnote|Achtelnote]]
*[[/A/Ackermann, Madame|Ackermann, Madame]]
*[[/A/Acoemetae|Acoemetae]]
*[[/A/Acolythi|Acolythi]]
*[[/A/Acolythia|Acolythia]]
*[[/A/Acoustics|Acoustics]]
*[[/A/Actor|Actor]]
*[[/A/Acts|Acts]]
*[[/A/Actis, Abbe|Actis, Abbe]]
*[[/A/Act tunes|Act tunes]]
*[[/A/Acumen|Acumen]]
*[[/A/Acute|Acute]]
*[[/A/Acuteness|Acuteness]]
*[[/A/Adagio|Adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio-adagio|Adagio-adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio assai|Adagio assai]]
*[[/A/Adagio cantabile e sostenuto|Adagio cantabile e sostenuto]]
*[[/A/Adagissimo|Adagissimo]]
*[[/A/Adagio patetico|Adagio patetico]]
*[[/A/Adam, Adolph Charles|Adam, Adolph Charles]]
*[[/A/Adam De Fulda|Adam De Fulda]]
*[[/A/Adam, D. Vicente|Adam, D. Vicente]]
*[[/A/Adam, Louis|Adam, Louis]]
*[[/A/Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea|Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea]]
*[[/A/Adami Ern Est, Daniel|Adami Ern Est, Daniel]]
*[[/A/Adams, Miss|Adams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Adamus, Dorensis|Adamus, Dorensis]]
*[[/A/Adasio|Adasio]]
*[[/A/Adcock, Abraham|Adcock, Abraham]]
*[[/A/Adcock, James|Adcock, James]]
*[[/A/Added lines|Added lines]]
*[[/A/Added sixth|Added sixth]]
*[[/A/Addimari, Luigi|Addimari, Luigi]]
*[[/A/Addison, John|Addison, John]]
*[[/A/Addition|Addition]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, lyre|Aeolian harp, lyre]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, natural one|Aeolian harp, natural one]]
*[[/A/Aeolian attachment|Aeolian attachment]]
*[[/A/Aeolodicon|Aeolodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolomelodicon|Aeolomelodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolopantalon|Aeolopantalon]]
*[[/A/Aeolus' harp|Aeolus' harp]]
*[[/A/Aequisonant|Aequisonant]]
*[[/A/Aequivagans|Aequivagans]]
*[[/A/Aesthetics|Aesthetics]]
*[[/A/Affabile|Affabile]]
*[[/A/Affetto|Affetto]]
*[[/A/Affettuoso|Affettuoso]]
*[[/A/Affettuosissimo|Affettuosissimo]]
*[[/A/Affilard|Affilard]]
*[[/A/Affinity|Affinity]]
*[[/A/Afflizione|Afflizione]]
*[[/A/A flat|A flat]]
*[[/A/A flat, major|A flat, major]]
*[[/A/Affrettando, affrettate|Affrettando, affrettate]]
*[[/A/Afranio|Afranio]]
*[[/A/After notes|After notes]]
*[[/A/Agathon|Agathon]]
*[[/A/Agazzari, Augustino|Agazzari, Augustino]]
*[[/A/Agazzi|Agazzi]]
*[[/A/Agelaus|Agelaus]]
*[[/A/Aghte, F. W|Aghte, F. W]]
*[[/A/Agia|Agia]]
*[[/A/Agilita|Agilita]]
*[[/A/Agitato|Agitato]]
*[[/A/Agitato allegro|Agitato allegro]]
*[[/A/Agitato un poco|Agitato un poco]]
*[[/A/Agnelli, Lorenzo|Agnelli, Lorenzo]]
*[[/A/Agnesi, Maria Teresa|Agnesi, Maria Teresa]]
*[[/A/Agnus dei|Agnus dei]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Ludovico|Agostini, Ludovico]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Paolo|Agostini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Pietro Simone|Agostini, Pietro Simone]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Rosa|Agostini, Rosa]]
*[[/A/Agoge|Agoge]]
*[[/A/A grand choeur|A grand choeur]]
*[[/A/A grand orchestra|A grand orchestra]]
*[[/A/Agrell, John|Agrell, John]]
*[[/A/Agresta, Agostino|Agresta, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Frederic Henry|Agricola, Frederic Henry]]
*[[/A/Agricola, George Lewis|Agricola, George Lewis]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John|Agricola, John]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John Frederic|Agricola, John Frederic]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martinus|Agricola, Martinus]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni|Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Rodolph|Agricola, Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martin|Agricola, Martin]]
*[[/A/Agrippa|Agrippa]]
*[[/A/Agrippa, H. C|Agrippa, H. C]]
*[[/A/Agthe, C. C|Agthe, C. C]]
*[[/A/Agujari, Lucrezia|Agujari, Lucrezia]]
*[[/A/Aguilera, Sebastian De|Aguilera, Sebastian De]]
*[[/A/Agus|Agus]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John George|Ahle, John George]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John Rodolph|Ahle, John Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Ahlstrom, Ol|Ahlstrom, Ol]]
*[[/A/Ahnesorgen, C. G|Ahnesorgen, C. G]]
*[[/A/Aiblinger|Aiblinger]]
*[[/A/Aich, G|Aich, G]]
*[[/A/Aichinger, G|Aichinger, G]]
*[[/A/Aignan|Aignan]]
*[[/A/Aigner, Engelberto|Aigner, Engelberto]]
*[[/A/Aiguino, Bresciano|Aiguino, Bresciano]]
*[[/A/A in alt|A in alt]]
*[[/A/A in altissimo|A in altissimo]]
*[[/A/Aimon, P. L. F|Aimon, P. L. F]]
*[[/A/Aiolla, Francesco|Aiolla, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Air|Air]]
*[[/A/Air varie|Air varie]]
*[[/A/Ais|Ais]]
*[[/A/Akeroyd, S|Akeroyd, S]]
*[[/A/Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai|Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai]]
*[[/A/A-la-mi-re|A-la-mi-re]]
*[[/A/A la grec|A la grec]]
*[[/A/A la polacca|A la polacca]]
*[[/A/Ala, G. B|Ala, G. B]]
*[[/A/Alanus ab insulis|Alanus ab insulis]]
*[[/A/Alardus, L|Alardus, L]]
*[[/A/Alarius|Alarius]]
*[[/A/Albaneze|Albaneze]]
*[[/A/Albani, Matthias|Albani, Matthias]]
*[[/A/Albano|Albano]]
*[[/A/Albarini|Albarini]]
*[[/A/Albergante, H. S|Albergante, H. S]]
*[[/A/Albergati, P. C|Albergati, P. C]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, Paolo|Alberghi, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, I|Alberghi, I]]
*[[/A/Alberici, G|Alberici, G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, L|Alberici, L]]
*[[/A/Alberici, P. G|Alberici, P. G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, v|Alberici, v]]
*[[/A/Albericus|Albericus]]
*[[/A/Albers, F. B|Albers, F. B]]
*[[/A/Albert|Albert]]
*[[/A/Albert, Madame|Albert, Madame]]
*[[/A/Albert, Henry|Albert, Henry]]
*[[/A/Albert, Prince|Albert, Prince]]
*[[/A/Alberti|Alberti]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Dominico|Alberti, Dominico]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo|Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J|Alberti, J]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J. F|Alberti, J. F]]
*[[/A/Alberti, P|Alberti, P]]
*[[/A/Albertini, F|Albertini, F]]
*[[/A/Albertini, Joachim|Albertini, Joachim]]
*[[/A/Albertini, I|Albertini, I]]
*[[/A/Albertus Magnus|Albertus Magnus]]
*[[/A/Albertus, Venetus|Albertus, Venetus]]
*[[/A/Albicastro, H|Albicastro, H]]
*[[/A/Albini, V|Albini, V]]
*[[/A/Albinoni, Thomas|Albinoni, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Albioso, M|Albioso, M]]
*[[/A/Albizzi Tagliamochi, B|Albizzi Tagliamochi, B]]
*[[/A/Albonesio, A. T|Albonesio, A. T]]
*[[/A/Alboni, Marietta|Alboni, Marietta]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. L|Albrecht, J. L]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. M|Albrecht, J. M]]
*[[/A/Albrechtsberger, John George|Albrechtsberger, John George]]
*[[/A/Albrici, V|Albrici, V]]
*[[/A/Albujio|Albujio]]
*[[/A/Alcaeus|Alcaeus]]
*[[/A/Alcibiades|Alcibiades]]
*[[/A/Alcock, John|Alcock, John]]
*[[/A/Allday, P|Allday, P]]
*[[/A/Alderinus, Cosma|Alderinus, Cosma]]
*[[/A/Aldovandrini|Aldovandrini]]
*[[/A/Aldrich, Rev|Aldrich, Rev]]
*[[/A/Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico|Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico]]
*[[/A/Aldrovandini|Aldrovandini]]
*[[/A/Aleman|Aleman]]
*[[/A/Alembert, Jean Le Rond D'|Alembert, Jean Le Rond D']]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta|Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta]]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Vittoria|Aleotti, Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Alessandri, Felice|Alessandri, Felice]]
*[[/A/Alessandro, Romano|Alessandro, Romano]]
*[[/A/Alexander, J|Alexander, J]]
*[[/A/Alexander Ab Alexandro|Alexander Ab Alexandro]]
*[[/A/Alexander, Symphoniarcha|Alexander, Symphoniarcha]]
*[[/A/Alexander|Alexander]]
*[[/A/Alexander The Great|Alexander The Great]]
*[[/A/Alexandre, C. G|Alexandre, C. G]]
*[[/A/Alfieri|Alfieri]]
*[[/A/Algarotti, Count Francesco|Algarotti, Count Francesco]]
*[[/A/Algisi|Algisi]]
*[[/A/Alix|Alix]]
*[[/A/Aliquot tones|Aliquot tones]]
*[[/A/All' antica|All' antica]]
*[[/A/Alla breve|Alla breve]]
*[[/A/Alla caccia|Alla caccia]]
*[[/A/Alla capella|Alla capella]]
*[[/A/Alla madre|Alla madre]]
*[[/A/Alla marcia|Alla marcia]]
*[[/A/Alla moderna|Alla moderna]]
*[[/A/Alla scozzese|Alla scozzese]]
*[[/A/Alla siciliana|Alla siciliana]]
*[[/A/Alla turca|Alla turca]]
*[[/A/Alla veneziana|Alla veneziana]]
*[[/A/Alla zoppa|Alla zoppa]]
*[[/A/Allan, Madame Caradori|Allan, Madame Caradori]]
*[[/A/Allatius|Allatius]]
*[[/A/Allegramente|Allegramente]]
*[[/A/Allegranti, Maddalena|Allegranti, Maddalena]]
*[[/A/Allegretto|Allegretto]]
*[[/A/Allegretto scherzando|Allegretto scherzando]]
*[[/A/Allegri, Giovanni Battista|Allegri, Giovanni Battista]]
*[[/A/Allegri, Gregorio|Allegri, Gregorio]]
*[[/A/Allegri di bravura|Allegri di bravura]]
*[[/A/Allegrla|Allegrla]]
*[[/A/Allegro|Allegro]]
*[[/A/Allegro assai|Allegro assai]]
*[[/A/Allegro con brio|Allegro con brio]]
*[[/A/Allegro con fuoco|Allegro con fuoco]]
*[[/A/Allegro con moto|Allegro con moto]]
*[[/A/Allegro con spirito|Allegro con spirito]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma grazioso|Allegro ma grazioso]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma non presto|Allegro ma non presto]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma non troppo|Allegro ma non troppo]]
*[[/A/Allegro molto|Allegro molto]]
*[[/A/Allegro non molto|Allegro non molto]]
*[[/A/Allegro veloce|Allegro veloce]]
*[[/A/Allegro vivace|Allegro vivace]]
*[[/A/Allegro vivo|Allegro vivo]]
*[[/A/Allegrissimo|Allegrissimo]]
*[[/A/Alleluiah|Alleluiah]]
*[[/A/Allemande|Allemande]]
*[[/A/Allentando|Allentando]]
*[[/A/Allison, Richard|Allison, Richard]]
*[[/A/All' improvista|All' improvista]]
*[[/A/A l'italienne|A l'italienne]]
*[[/A/Al loco|Al loco]]
*[[/A/All' ottava|All' ottava]]
*[[/A/All' roversico|All' roversico]]
*[[/A/All segno|All segno]]
*[[/A/All' unisono|All' unisono]]
*[[/A/Allwoode|Allwoode]]
*[[/A/Alma redemptoris|Alma redemptoris]]
*[[/A/Almeida, Antonio Be|Almeida, Antonio Be]]
*[[/A/Almeida, Mando Be|Almeida, Mando Be]]
*[[/A/Almeida|Almeida]]
*[[/A/Almeloveen, Theodore Jansson Ab|Almeloveen, Theodore Jansson Ab]]
*[[/A/Almenraeder|Almenraeder]]
*[[/A/Almerighi De Rimeno, J|Almerighi De Rimeno, J]]
*[[/A/Almeyda, C. F|Almeyda, C. F]]
*[[/A/Alouette, N|Alouette, N]]
*[[/A/Alovisio, G. B|Alovisio, G. B]]
*[[/A/Aloysius, John Battista|Aloysius, John Battista]]
*[[/A/Aloysius, join petr|Aloysius, join petr]]
*[[/A/Alphabet|Alphabet]]
*[[/A/Alpine Horn|Alpine Horn]]
*[[/A/Alsted|Alsted]]
*[[/A/Alt, Philippe Samuel|Alt, Philippe Samuel]]
*[[/A/Alt|Alt]]
*[[/A/Alta|Alta]]
*[[/A/Alterata|Alterata]]
*[[/A/Alterations in ancient psalmody|Alterations in ancient psalmody]]
*[[/A/Altered triads|Altered triads]]
*[[/A/Altered notes|Altered notes]]
*[[/A/Alternamente|Alternamente]]
*[[/A/Altenburg, Michael|Altenburg, Michael]]
*[[/A/Altist|Altist]]
*[[/A/Altissimo|Altissimo]]
*[[/A/Altitonans, altisonant|Altitonans, altisonant]]
*[[/A/Altmann|Altmann]]
*[[/A/Alto|Alto]]
*[[/A/Alto, altus|Alto, altus]]
*[[/A/Alto clef|Alto clef]]
*[[/A/Alto concertante|Alto concertante]]
*[[/A/Alto flauto|Alto flauto]]
*[[/A/Alto octavo|Alto octavo]]
*[[/A/Alto primo|Alto primo]]
*[[/A/Alto ripieno|Alto ripieno]]
*[[/A/Alto secondo|Alto secondo]]
*[[/A/Alto viola|Alto viola]]
*[[/A/Altro, altra|Altro, altra]]
*[[/A/Alueri|Alueri]]
*[[/A/Alvimare, P. A|Alvimare, P. A]]
*[[/A/Alipius|Alipius]]
*[[/A/Alzamento di mano|Alzamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Alzamento di voce|Alzamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Amabile|Amabile]]
*[[/A/Amade, Count Thade D'|Amade, Count Thade D']]
*[[/A/Amedei|Amedei]]
*[[/A/Amadio, Car|Amadio, Car]]
*[[/A/Amadio, Pippo|Amadio, Pippo]]
*[[/A/Amadori, Joseph|Amadori, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Amadri, Michael Angelo|Amadri, Michael Angelo]]
*[[/A/Amaducci, Donato|Amaducci, Donato]]
*[[/A/A major|A major]]
*[[/A/Amalarius, Symphosius|Amalarius, Symphosius]]
*[[/A/Amantini|Amantini]]
*[[/A/Amantius|Amantius]]
*[[/A/Amarezza|Amarezza]]
*[[/A/Amateur|Amateur]]
*[[/A/Amati|Amati]]
*[[/A/Amatus, Vincentius|Amatus, Vincentius]]
*[[/A/Ambitus|Ambitus]]
*[[/A/Ambo|Ambo]]
*[[/A/Ambreville|Ambreville]]
*[[/A/Ambrogetti|Ambrogetti]]
*[[/A/Ambrogi|Ambrogi]]
*[[/A/Ambronn, Peter Christian|Ambronn, Peter Christian]]
*[[/A/Ambrosch|Ambrosch]]
*[[/A/Ambrose, St|Ambrose, St]]
*[[/A/Ambrose|Ambrose]]
*[[/A/Ambrosianus cantus|Ambrosianus cantus]]
*[[/A/Ambrosine|Ambrosine]]
*[[/A/Ame|Ame]]
*[[/A/Amen|Amen]]
*[[/A/Amenda|Amenda]]
*[[/A/Amendola|Amendola]]
*[[/A/Amerbach, E|Amerbach, E]]
*[[/A/Amerighi, Signora|Amerighi, Signora]]
*[[/A/A mezza aria|A mezza aria]]
*[[/A/A mezza di voce|A mezza di voce]]
*[[/A/Amicis, Anna De|Amicis, Anna De]]
*[[/A/Amico, Raymundus|Amico, Raymundus]]
*[[/A/Amiconi, Antonio|Amiconi, Antonio]]
*[[/A/Amiot|Amiot]]
*[[/A/Amling, Matthaeus|Amling, Matthaeus]]
*[[/A/Ammerbach, Eusebius|Ammerbach, Eusebius]]
*[[/A/Ammerbacher, J. G|Ammerbacher, J. G]]
*[[/A/Aimon, Anton Blasius|Aimon, Anton Blasius]]
*[[/A/Ammon, Dietrich Christian|Ammon, Dietrich Christian]]
*[[/A/Ammon, J|Ammon, J]]
*[[/A/Ammon, Johann Christoph|Ammon, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/A/Amner, John|Amner, John]]
*[[/A/Amodei, Cataldus|Amodei, Cataldus]]
*[[/A/Amoebaeus|Amoebaeus]]
*[[/A/Amon, j|Amon, j]]
*[[/A/Amorevolemente|Amorevolemente]]
*[[/A/Amorevoli|Amorevoli]]
*[[/A/A morisco|A morisco]]
*[[/A/Amoroso|Amoroso]]
*[[/A/Amphibrach|Amphibrach]]
*[[/A/Amphimacer|Amphimacer]]
*[[/A/Amphion|Amphion]]
*[[/A/Amselius, Pancratius|Amselius, Pancratius]]
*[[/A/Anacamptic|Anacamptic]]
*[[/A/Anacamptos|Anacamptos]]
*[[/A/Anacreon|Anacreon]]
*[[/A/Anacreontic|Anacreontic]]
*[[/A/Analyze|Analyze]]
*[[/A/Ananes|Ananes]]
*[[/A/Anapest|Anapest]]
*[[/A/Anastatius|Anastatius]]
*[[/A/Anaxenor|Anaxenor]]
*[[/A/Anchersen, Ansgarius|Anchersen, Ansgarius]]
*[[/A/Anche|Anche]]
*[[/A/Ancient concert|Ancient concert]]
*[[/A/Ancient modes|Ancient modes]]
*[[/A/Ancient music|Ancient music]]
*[[/A/Ancient music schools|Ancient music schools]]
*[[/A/Ancient musicians|Ancient musicians]]
*[[/A/Ancient prefaces|Ancient prefaces]]
*[[/A/Amphion anglicus|Amphion anglicus]]
*[[/A/Ancient signatures|Ancient signatures]]
*[[/A/Ancient sharp signatures|Ancient sharp signatures]]
*[[/A/Ancient flat signatures|Ancient flat signatures]]
*[[/A/Ancient theatres|Ancient theatres]]
*[[/A/Ancilia|Ancilia]]
*[[/A/Ancora|Ancora]]
*[[/A/Andante|Andante]]
*[[/A/Andante affettuoso|Andante affettuoso]]
*[[/A/Andante con moto|Andante con moto]]
*[[/A/Andante grazioso|Andante grazioso]]
*[[/A/Andante largo|Andante largo]]
*[[/A/Andante maestoso|Andante maestoso]]
*[[/A/Andante non troppo|Andante non troppo]]
*[[/A/Andante pastorale|Andante pastorale]]
*[[/A/Andantino|Andantino]]
*[[/A/Anders, Heinrich|Anders, Heinrich]]
*[[/A/Anderson, John|Anderson, John]]
*[[/A/Anderson, Lucy|Anderson, Lucy]]
*[[/A/Anderson, George Frederic|Anderson, George Frederic]]
*[[/A/Andre, John Antony|Andre, John Antony]]
*[[/A/Andre, Lewis|Andre, Lewis]]
*[[/A/Andre, Yves Marie|Andre, Yves Marie]]
*[[/A/Andre|Andre]]
*[[/A/Andre, Lucrezia|Andre, Lucrezia]]
*[[/A/Andrea|Andrea]]
*[[/A/Andrea, Nicolaus|Andrea, Nicolaus]]
*[[/A/Andreas Arroensis|Andreas Arroensis]]
*[[/A/Andreas, Cretensis|Andreas, Cretensis]]
*[[/A/Andreas, Sylvanus|Andreas, Sylvanus]]
*[[/A/Andreini, Isabella|Andreini, Isabella]]
*[[/A/Andreoni|Andreoni]]
*[[/A/Andreozzi, Gaetano|Andreozzi, Gaetano]]
*[[/A/Andreozzi, Anna|Andreozzi, Anna]]
*[[/A/Andrews|Andrews]]
*[[/A/Andrighetti, A. L|Andrighetti, A. L]]
*[[/A/Androides|Androides]]
*[[/A/Andron|Andron]]
*[[/A/Andronicus|Andronicus]]
*[[/A/Androt, A. A|Androt, A. A]]
*[[/A/Aneau, Barthelemy|Aneau, Barthelemy]]
*[[/A/Anemochord|Anemochord]]
*[[/A/Anerio, Felice|Anerio, Felice]]
*[[/A/Anerio, G. F|Anerio, G. F]]
*[[/A/Anfangs-ritornel|Anfangs-ritornel]]
*[[/A/Anfossi|Anfossi]]
*[[/A/Anfossi, Pasquale|Anfossi, Pasquale]]
*[[/A/Angeber, W|Angeber, W]]
*[[/A/Angeli, Le Pere|Angeli, Le Pere]]
*[[/A/Angelini|Angelini]]
*[[/A/Angelo, Count|Angelo, Count]]
*[[/A/Angelo Da Paccitono|Angelo Da Paccitono]]
*[[/A/Angelo, Michael|Angelo, Michael]]
*[[/A/Angerstein, Johann Karl|Angerstein, Johann Karl]]
*[[/A/Angier, J. H|Angier, J. H]]
*[[/A/Angiolelli|Angiolelli]]
*[[/A/Angiolini, Gasparo|Angiolini, Gasparo]]
*[[/A/Angiolini, Giovanni Frederigo|Angiolini, Giovanni Frederigo]]
*[[/A/Anglaise|Anglaise]]
*[[/A/Anglebermaeus|Anglebermaeus]]
*[[/A/Anglebert, J. K|Anglebert, J. K]]
*[[/A/Angleria, Caimillo|Angleria, Caimillo]]
*[[/A/Anglosini|Anglosini]]
*[[/A/Anglo-saxon music|Anglo-saxon music]]
*[[/A/Angosciosamente|Angosciosamente]]
*[[/A/Angri, Elena|Angri, Elena]]
*[[/A/Angrisani, Carlo|Angrisani, Carlo]]
*[[/A/Anhang|Anhang]]
*[[/A/Anima, animo, animoso|Anima, animo, animoso]]
*[[/A/Anlage|Anlage]]
*[[/A/Anleitung|Anleitung]]
*[[/A/Animuccia, Giovanni|Animuccia, Giovanni]]
*[[/A/Anjos, Dionisio Dos|Anjos, Dionisio Dos]]
*[[/A/Anna, D. G. D'|Anna, D. G. D']]
*[[/A/Anna Amelia|Anna Amelia]]
*[[/A/Annelli|Annelli]]
*[[/A/Annibal|Annibal]]
*[[/A/Annibali, Dominico|Annibali, Dominico]]
*[[/A/Annunciacam, Fr. Gabriel De|Annunciacam, Fr. Gabriel De]]
*[[/A/Anomalies|Anomalies]]
*[[/A/Anomalous|Anomalous]]
*[[/A/Ansaldus, Castus Innocentius|Ansaldus, Castus Innocentius]]
*[[/A/Ansani|Ansani]]
*[[/A/Ansdell, W. F|Ansdell, W. F]]
*[[/A/Anschlag|Anschlag]]
*[[/A/Anschuetz, J. A|Anschuetz, J. A]]
*[[/A/Anseaume|Anseaume]]
*[[/A/Anselmi Secondini|Anselmi Secondini]]
*[[/A/Anson|Anson]]
*[[/A/Antao De Santa Elias|Antao De Santa Elias]]
*[[/A/Antegenides|Antegenides]]
*[[/A/Antegnati, Costanzo|Antegnati, Costanzo]]
*[[/A/Antenori, D|Antenori, D]]
*[[/A/Anthem|Anthem]]
*[[/A/Anthem a|Anthem a]]
*[[/A/Anthem singing|Anthem singing]]
*[[/A/Anthem-wise|Anthem-wise]]
*[[/A/Anticipation|Anticipation]]
*[[/A/Antico|Antico]]
*[[/A/Antigenidas|Antigenidas]]
*[[/A/Antinori, Ludovico|Antinori, Ludovico]]
*[[/A/Antiphon|Antiphon]]
*[[/A/Antiphonarium|Antiphonarium]]
*[[/A/Antiphone|Antiphone]]
*[[/A/Antiphonizing|Antiphonizing]]
*[[/A/Antiphons|Antiphons]]
*[[/A/Antiphony|Antiphony]]
*[[/A/Antiquis, Giovanni De|Antiquis, Giovanni De]]
*[[/A/Antistrophe|Antistrophe]]
*[[/A/Antisthenes|Antisthenes]]
*[[/A/Antoin, ferdinand d'|Antoin, ferdinand d']]
*[[/A/Antoine, D'|Antoine, D']]
*[[/A/Anton, Conrad Gottlob|Anton, Conrad Gottlob]]
*[[/A/Antonelli Torres|Antonelli Torres]]
*[[/A/Antonellio|Antonellio]]
*[[/A/Antonei, Pietro Degli|Antonei, Pietro Degli]]
*[[/A/Antonio|Antonio]]
*[[/A/Antonio, Dagl' Organi|Antonio, Dagl' Organi]]
*[[/A/Antoniotto|Antoniotto]]
*[[/A/Antonius|Antonius]]
*[[/A/Antonius, J. G|Antonius, J. G]]
*[[/A/Antonius, Marcus|Antonius, Marcus]]
*[[/A/Anzani|Anzani]]
*[[/A/A parte equale|A parte equale]]
*[[/A/Apel, Friedrich August Ferdinand|Apel, Friedrich August Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Apell, David Aaron|Apell, David Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aperto|Aperto]]
*[[/A/A piacere|A piacere]]
*[[/A/A plomb|A plomb]]
*[[/A/Apollo|Apollo]]
*[[/A/Apollino|Apollino]]
*[[/A/Apolloni, Chevalier Giovanni|Apolloni, Chevalier Giovanni]]
*[[/A/Aprili, Giuseppe|Aprili, Giuseppe]]
*[[/A/Apycni|Apycni]]
*[[/A/A quatre mains|A quatre mains]]
*[[/A/A quatro mani|A quatro mani]]
*[[/A/Aquaviva, Andreas Matthaeus|Aquaviva, Andreas Matthaeus]]
*[[/A/Aquino|Aquino]]
*[[/A/Aquino, Joseph|Aquino, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Aquinus|Aquinus]]
*[[/A/Arabian Music|Arabian Music]]
*[[/A/Araja, Francisco|Araja, Francisco]]
*[[/A/Aranda, De Sessa D'|Aranda, De Sessa D']]
*[[/A/Arauo|Arauo]]
*[[/A/Arbeau, Toynot|Arbeau, Toynot]]
*[[/A/Arbitrii|Arbitrii]]
*[[/A/Arbuthnot, Dr|Arbuthnot, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arcadelt, Jacques|Arcadelt, Jacques]]
*[[/A/Arcadians|Arcadians]]
*[[/A/Arcanza, Mlle|Arcanza, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Arcato|Arcato]]
*[[/A/Arch|Arch]]
*[[/A/Archangelus|Archangelus]]
*[[/A/Archenius|Archenius]]
*[[/A/Archestratus|Archestratus]]
*[[/A/Archet|Archet]]
*[[/A/Arch-lute|Arch-lute]]
*[[/A/Archilei, La Vittoria|Archilei, La Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Archilochus|Archilochus]]
*[[/A/Archimedes|Archimedes]]
*[[/A/Archinta, M|Archinta, M]]
*[[/A/Archytas|Archytas]]
*[[/A/Archytas's genera|Archytas's genera]]
*[[/A/Arco|Arco]]
*[[/A/Arcoleo, A|Arcoleo, A]]
*[[/A/Ardalus|Ardalus]]
*[[/A/Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare|Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare]]
*[[/A/Ardespin, Melchior D'|Ardespin, Melchior D']]
*[[/A/Ardito|Ardito]]
*[[/A/Ardore, Marquis De St|Ardore, Marquis De St]]
*[[/A/Arena, Giuseppe|Arena, Giuseppe]]
*[[/A/Aresti, Floriano|Aresti, Floriano]]
*[[/A/Aretin, Guy|Aretin, Guy]]
*[[/A/Aretina, Guido|Aretina, Guido]]
*[[/A/Aretinian syllables|Aretinian syllables]]
*[[/A/Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni|Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni]]
*[[/A/Aretinus, Paolo|Aretinus, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Arevalo, Faustino|Arevalo, Faustino]]
*[[/A/Arezeto, A|Arezeto, A]]
*[[/A/Argenti, Augustin|Argenti, Augustin]]
*[[/A/Argentilly, Carlo D'|Argentilly, Carlo D']]
*[[/A/Argentini, Steffano|Argentini, Steffano]]
*[[/A/Argentini, Cesare|Argentini, Cesare]]
*[[/A/Argives|Argives]]
*[[/A/Argyropilus|Argyropilus]]
*[[/A/Aria|Aria]]
*[[/A/Aria. buffa|Aria. buffa]]
*[[/A/Aria d'abilita|Aria d'abilita]]
*[[/A/Aria concertata|Aria concertata]]
*[[/A/Aria di bravura|Aria di bravura]]
*[[/A/Arla di cantabile|Arla di cantabile]]
*[[/A/Aria fugata|Aria fugata]]
*[[/A/Arianus, Johann L|Arianus, Johann L]]
*[[/A/Aria parlante|Aria parlante]]
*[[/A/Aria tedesca|Aria tedesca]]
*[[/A/Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo|Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo]]
*[[/A/Aribo|Aribo]]
*[[/A/Arie aggiunte|Arie aggiunte]]
*[[/A/Arietta|Arietta]]
*[[/A/Arietta alla veneziana|Arietta alla veneziana]]
*[[/A/Ariettina|Ariettina]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Francesco|Arigoni, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Giov|Arigoni, Giov]]
*[[/A/Arion|Arion]]
*[[/A/Ariose cantate|Ariose cantate]]
*[[/A/Arioso|Arioso]]
*[[/A/Ariosti, Attilio|Ariosti, Attilio]]
*[[/A/Arisi, F|Arisi, F]]
*[[/A/Aristeas|Aristeas]]
*[[/A/Aristides Quintilianus|Aristides Quintilianus]]
*[[/A/Aristocles|Aristocles]]
*[[/A/Aristonicus|Aristonicus]]
*[[/A/Aristonous|Aristonous]]
*[[/A/Aristonymus|Aristonymus]]
*[[/A/Aristophanes|Aristophanes]]
*[[/A/Aristotle|Aristotle]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenu|Aristoxenu]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus|Aristoxenus]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus's genera|Aristoxenus's genera]]
*[[/A/Arkadelt|Arkadelt]]
*[[/A/Armand, Mesdemoiselles|Armand, Mesdemoiselles]]
*[[/A/Armandolino, Giovanni Battista|Armandolino, Giovanni Battista]]
*[[/A/Armon|Armon]]
*[[/A/Armonia|Armonia]]
*[[/A/Armonica|Armonica]]
*[[/A/Armsdorff, Andreas|Armsdorff, Andreas]]
*[[/A/Armstrong, Sir Richard|Armstrong, Sir Richard]]
*[[/A/Arnaldus|Arnaldus]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, L'abbe|Arnaud, L'abbe]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Pierre|Arnaud, Pierre]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Madame|Arnaud, Madame]]
*[[/A/Arne, Dr|Arne, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arne, Mrs|Arne, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Arne, Michael|Arne, Michael]]
*[[/A/Arne, Miss|Arne, Miss]]
*[[/A/Arnestus|Arnestus]]
*[[/A/Arnkiel, T|Arnkiel, T]]
*[[/A/Arnold, George|Arnold, George]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ferdinand|Arnold, Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand|Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Johann Gottfried|Arnold, Johann Gottfried]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Dr|Arnold, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arnold, C|Arnold, C]]
*[[/A/Arnone, Guglielmo|Arnone, Guglielmo]]
*[[/A/Arnould, Sophia|Arnould, Sophia]]
*[[/A/Arnull|Arnull]]
*[[/A/Arnulphus|Arnulphus]]
*[[/A/Aron|Aron]]
*[[/A/Arpa|Arpa]]
*[[/A/Arpa doppia|Arpa doppia]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiato|Arpeggiato]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiatura|Arpeggiatura]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio|Arpeggio]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio accompaniment|Arpeggio accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Arpilcueta|Arpilcueta]]
*[[/A/Arrangement|Arrangement]]
*[[/A/Arrhenius, Laurent|Arrhenius, Laurent]]
*[[/A/Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De|Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De]]
*[[/A/Arrighi, Pietro Dominico|Arrighi, Pietro Dominico]]
*[[/A/Arrighus, Joan Battista|Arrighus, Joan Battista]]
*[[/A/Arrigo Tedesco|Arrigo Tedesco]]
*[[/A/Arrigoni|Arrigoni]]
*[[/A/Arrobat, Coste D'|Arrobat, Coste D']]
*[[/A/Ars canendi|Ars canendi]]
*[[/A/Ars componendi|Ars componendi]]
*[[/A/Arsis|Arsis]]
*[[/A/Artemanio, G. C|Artemanio, G. C]]
*[[/A/Arthur Aux Couteaux|Arthur Aux Couteaux]]
*[[/A/Articulation|Articulation]]
*[[/A/Articulato|Articulato]]
*[[/A/Artificial|Artificial]]
*[[/A/Artificial compound|Artificial compound]]
*[[/A/Artificial harmony|Artificial harmony]]
*[[/A/Artificial scale|Artificial scale]]
*[[/A/Art of music|Art of music]]
*[[/A/Art of reading from a score|Art of reading from a score]]
*[[/A/Artemira|Artemira]]
*[[/A/Artot, Joseph|Artot, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Arts, Fine|Arts, Fine]]
*[[/A/Artufel, Damianus D'|Artufel, Damianus D']]
*[[/A/Artus|Artus]]
*[[/A/Artusi, Giovanni Maria|Artusi, Giovanni Maria]]
*[[/A/As|As]]
*[[/A/Asaph|Asaph]]
*[[/A/Aschenbrenner, Christian|Aschenbrenner, Christian]]
*[[/A/As dur|As dur]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Andrew|Ashe, Andrew]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Mrs|Ashe, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Misses|Ashe, Misses]]
*[[/A/Ashley, General|Ashley, General]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John James|Ashley, John James]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Charles|Ashley, Charles]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Richard|Ashley, Richard]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John|Ashley, John]]
*[[/A/Ashwell, T|Ashwell, T]]
*[[/A/Ashworth|Ashworth]]
*[[/A/As moll|As moll]]
*[[/A/Asperges me|Asperges me]]
*[[/A/Asprezza|Asprezza]]
*[[/A/Assai|Assai]]
*[[/A/Assoluto|Assoluto]]
*[[/A/Asioli, Bonifazio|Asioli, Bonifazio]]
*[[/A/Asola|Asola]]
*[[/A/Asor|Asor]]
*[[/A/Aspelmeyer|Aspelmeyer]]
*[[/A/Aspull, George|Aspull, George]]
*[[/A/Assmayer|Assmayer]]
*[[/A/Assouci, Charles Coypeau D'|Assouci, Charles Coypeau D']]
*[[/A/Assuni|Assuni]]
*[[/A/Astarita, Gennaro|Astarita, Gennaro]]
*[[/A/Aster, David|Aster, David]]
*[[/A/Astier|Astier]]
*[[/A/Aston|Aston]]
*[[/A/Astorga, Baron Emanuele D'|Astorga, Baron Emanuele D']]
*[[/A/Astorga, J. O|Astorga, J. O]]
*[[/A/Astrua, Giovanna|Astrua, Giovanna]]
*[[/A/Asula|Asula]]
*[[/A/A tempo|A tempo]]
*[[/A/A tempo di gavotta|A tempo di gavotta]]
*[[/A/A tempo giusto|A tempo giusto]]
*[[/A/Athanasius|Athanasius]]
*[[/A/Athenaeus|Athenaeus]]
*[[/A/Atherstane|Atherstane]]
*[[/A/A tre|A tre]]
*[[/A/Atis|Atis]]
*[[/A/Attaccato subito|Attaccato subito]]
*[[/A/Attacca, attacca subito|Attacca, attacca subito]]
*[[/A/Attendant keys|Attendant keys]]
*[[/A/Atterbury|Atterbury]]
*[[/A/Attilio|Attilio]]
*[[/A/Atto|Atto]]
*[[/A/Atto di cadenza|Atto di cadenza]]
*[[/A/Attori, attrici|Attori, attrici]]
*[[/A/Attwood, Thomas|Attwood, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Aubade|Aubade]]
*[[/A/Auberlen, S. G|Auberlen, S. G]]
*[[/A/Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit|Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit]]
*[[/A/Aubert|Aubert]]
*[[/A/Aubert, P. F. Olivier|Aubert, P. F. Olivier]]
*[[/A/Auberti|Auberti]]
*[[/A/Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D'|Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D']]
*[[/A/Aubin, Madame St|Aubin, Madame St]]
*[[/A/Audace|Audace]]
*[[/A/Audibility Of Sound|Audibility Of Sound]]
*[[/A/Audinot|Audinot]]
*[[/A/Audinot, Mlle|Audinot, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Auenbrugger, F|Auenbrugger, F]]
*[[/A/Aufhaltung|Aufhaltung]]
*[[/A/Aufl|Aufl]]
*[[/A/Auffman, J. A|Auffman, J. A]]
*[[/A/Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton|Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton]]
*[[/A/Augmentation|Augmentation]]
*[[/A/Augustin|Augustin]]
*[[/A/Augustini, Paolo|Augustini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Augustinus, Aurelius|Augustinus, Aurelius]]
*[[/A/Aulberus|Aulberus]]
*[[/A/Auletta|Auletta]]
*[[/A/Auletes|Auletes]]
*[[/A/Aulnaye, M. De L'|Aulnaye, M. De L']]
*[[/A/Aulus Gellius|Aulus Gellius]]
*[[/A/Aumann, Dietrich Christian|Aumann, Dietrich Christian]]
*[[/A/Aumer|Aumer]]
*[[/A/A una corda|A una corda]]
*[[/A/Aureli, A|Aureli, A]]
*[[/A/Aurelianus Reomensis|Aurelianus Reomensis]]
*[[/A/Aurenhammer, Madame|Aurenhammer, Madame]]
*[[/A/Auriemma|Auriemma]]
*[[/A/Aurisicchio|Aurisicchio]]
*[[/A/Aus|Aus]]
*[[/A/Ausarbeitung|Ausarbeitung]]
*[[/A/Ausdehnung|Ausdehnung]]
*[[/A/Ausdruck|Ausdruck]]
*[[/A/Ausweichung|Ausweichung]]
*[[/A/Autentico|Autentico]]
*[[/A/Authentic|Authentic]]
*[[/A/Authentic melodies|Authentic melodies]]
*[[/A/Authentic modes or tones|Authentic modes or tones]]
*[[/A/Authentic or perfect cadence|Authentic or perfect cadence]]
*[[/A/Automaton|Automaton]]
*[[/A/Autos sacramentales|Autos sacramentales]]
*[[/A/Autreau, J|Autreau, J]]
*[[/A/Auvergne, Antoine D'|Auvergne, Antoine D']]
*[[/A/Auvray, J. B|Auvray, J. B]]
*[[/A/Avantano, P|Avantano, P]]
*[[/A/Avanzolini, Girolamo|Avanzolini, Girolamo]]
*[[/A/Avaux, D'|Avaux, D']]
*[[/A/Avella, Giovanni D'|Avella, Giovanni D']]
*[[/A/Ave maria|Ave maria]]
*[[/A/Avena|Avena]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Johann|Avenarius, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Philippe|Avenarius, Philippe]]
*[[/A/Aventinus, Johannes|Aventinus, Johannes]]
*[[/A/Avertel|Avertel]]
*[[/A/Avia, J|Avia, J]]
*[[/A/Avianus, Johann|Avianus, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avicenna|Avicenna]]
*[[/A/Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be|Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be]]
*[[/A/Avison, Charles|Avison, Charles]]
*[[/A/A vista|A vista]]
*[[/A/Avollo|Avollo]]
*[[/A/Avontano, Pietro|Avontano, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Avosani, Orfeo|Avosani, Orfeo]]
*[[/A/Axamenta|Axamenta]]
*[[/A/Axt, F. S|Axt, F. S]]
*[[/A/Aylward, Theodore|Aylward, Theodore]]
*[[/A/Ayrton, Dr|Ayrton, Dr]]
*[[/A/Azais|Azais]]
*[[/A/Azione sacra|Azione sacra]]
*[[/A/Azopardi, Francesco|Azopardi, Francesco]]

===B===
*[[/B/B|B]]
*[[/B/Babbi, C|Babbi, C]]
*[[/B/Babbi, Gregorio|Babbi, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Babbini, Matteo|Babbini, Matteo]]
*[[/B/Babell, William|Babell, William]]
*[[/B/Babticocchi|Babticocchi]]
*[[/B/B above g gamut|B above g gamut]]
*[[/B/B above the bass clef note|B above the bass clef note]]
*[[/B/B above the treble clef note|B above the treble clef note]]
*[[/B/Bacchius|Bacchius]]
*[[/B/Bacci, Pietro Giacomo|Bacci, Pietro Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Baccusi, Hippolita|Baccusi, Hippolita]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Sebastian|Bach, John Sebastian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel|Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Christian|Bach, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich|Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann|Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann]]
*[[/B/Bach, Cecilia|Bach, Cecilia]]
*[[/B/Bach, Friedrich Ludwig|Bach, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, George Christopher|Bach, George Christopher]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Bernhard|Bach, Johann Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph|Bach, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ernst|Bach, Johann Ernst]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ludwig|Bach, Johann Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Michael|Bach, Johann Michael]]
*[[/B/Bach, Oswald|Bach, Oswald]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm|Bach, Wilhelm]]
*[[/B/Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De|Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De]]
*[[/B/Bachelor of music|Bachelor of music]]
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*[[/B/Besser, T. G|Besser, T. G]]
*[[/B/Besson|Besson]]
*[[/B/Bethisy|Bethisy]]
*[[/B/Betts, Arthur|Betts, Arthur]]
*[[/B/Beuf, Jean Le|Beuf, Jean Le]]
*[[/B/Beurhusius, Friedericus|Beurhusius, Friedericus]]
*[[/B/Beuthner, Johann Heinrich|Beuthner, Johann Heinrich]]
*[[/B/Beutler, Johann Georg Bern-hard|Beutler, Johann Georg Bern-hard]]
*[[/B/Beverini, Francesco|Beverini, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bevin, Elway|Bevin, Elway]]
*[[/B/Beyer|Beyer]]
*[[/B/Beyer, Johann Samuel|Beyer, Johann Samuel]]
*[[/B/Bl a|Bl a]]
*[[/B/Bianca|Bianca]]
*[[/B/Biancardi, Vincenzo|Biancardi, Vincenzo]]
*[[/B/Bianchetta|Bianchetta]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Pietro Antonio|Bianchi, Pietro Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giulio Cesare|Bianchi, Giulio Cesare]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giov|Bianchi, Giov]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giovanni|Bianchi, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Antonio|Bianchi, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Blanchi, Francesco|Blanchi, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, J. M. C|Bianchi, J. M. C]]
*[[/B/Bianciardi, Francesco|Bianciardi, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Biber, Henry John Francis|Biber, Henry John Francis]]
*[[/B/Bideau, Dominique|Bideau, Dominique]]
*[[/B/Biego, Paolo|Biego, Paolo]]
*[[/B/Bi-equal third|Bi-equal third]]
*[[/B/Bierey, Gottlob Benedictus|Bierey, Gottlob Benedictus]]
*[[/B/Biferi, Nicolas|Biferi, Nicolas]]
*[[/B/Biffi, Giuseppe|Biffi, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Biffi, Don Antonio|Biffi, Don Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bigaglia, Don Diogenio|Bigaglia, Don Diogenio]]
*[[/B/Bigatti, Carlo|Bigatti, Carlo]]
*[[/B/Biggs|Biggs]]
*[[/B/Bihler, Franz|Bihler, Franz]]
*[[/B/Bihler, Gregorius|Bihler, Gregorius]]
*[[/B/Billings, William|Billings, William]]
*[[/B/Billington, Elizabeth|Billington, Elizabeth]]
*[[/B/Billington, Thomas|Billington, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bils, Franz|Bils, Franz]]
*[[/B/B in alt|B in alt]]
*[[/B/B in altissimo|B in altissimo]]
*[[/B/Binary|Binary]]
*[[/B/Binchois|Binchois]]
*[[/B/Bind|Bind]]
*[[/B/Binder, August Siegmund|Binder, August Siegmund]]
*[[/B/Bindernagel, Joseph|Bindernagel, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Binding notes|Binding notes]]
*[[/B/Bindung|Bindung]]
*[[/B/Bington, Walter|Bington, Walter]]
*[[/B/Bini Pasqualino|Bini Pasqualino]]
*[[/B/Bion|Bion]]
*[[/B/Bioni, Antonio|Bioni, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Birch, H. W|Birch, H. W]]
*[[/B/Birchensha, John|Birchensha, John]]
*[[/B/Birckenstock, J. A|Birckenstock, J. A]]
*[[/B/Bird, William|Bird, William]]
*[[/B/Birmingham Music Hall|Birmingham Music Hall]]
*[[/B/Bis|Bis]]
*[[/B/Bisdiapason|Bisdiapason]]
*[[/B/Bisinia|Bisinia]]
*[[/B/Bisaccioni|Bisaccioni]]
*[[/B/Biscaccianti, Signora|Biscaccianti, Signora]]
*[[/B/Bisch, Jean|Bisch, Jean]]
*[[/B/Bischoff, Jean Georges|Bischoff, Jean Georges]]
*[[/B/Biscrome|Biscrome]]
*[[/B/Bisciola, Lelio|Bisciola, Lelio]]
*[[/B/Bisgargui|Bisgargui]]
*[[/B/Bishop, John|Bishop, John]]
*[[/B/Bishop, Henry Rowley|Bishop, Henry Rowley]]
*[[/B/Bishop, Anna|Bishop, Anna]]
*[[/B/Bisoni A|Bisoni A]]
*[[/B/Bisset, Catharine|Bisset, Catharine]]
*[[/B/Bisset, Miss Elizabeth|Bisset, Miss Elizabeth]]
*[[/B/Bisson, Louis|Bisson, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bittheuser, F. R|Bittheuser, F. R]]
*[[/B/Bitti, Martini|Bitti, Martini]]
*[[/B/Bitzenberg, Madame|Bitzenberg, Madame]]
*[[/B/Biumi, Giacomo Filippo|Biumi, Giacomo Filippo]]
*[[/B/Bizarro|Bizarro]]
*[[/B/Bizaaro|Bizaaro]]
*[[/B/Blackwell, Isaac|Blackwell, Isaac]]
*[[/B/Blamont, Francois Colin De|Blamont, Francois Colin De]]
*[[/B/Blanc, Didier Le|Blanc, Didier Le]]
*[[/B/Blanc, Hubert Le|Blanc, Hubert Le]]
*[[/B/Blanchard, E. J. A|Blanchard, E. J. A]]
*[[/B/Blanche|Blanche]]
*[[/B/Blanchis, Petrus Antonius|Blanchis, Petrus Antonius]]
*[[/B/Bland, Mrs|Bland, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Blangini, Joseph Marie Felix|Blangini, Joseph Marie Felix]]
*[[/B/Blangini, Mlle|Blangini, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Blankenborg, Quirinus Van|Blankenborg, Quirinus Van]]
*[[/B/Blankenburg, Friedrich Von|Blankenburg, Friedrich Von]]
*[[/B/Blaseblage|Blaseblage]]
*[[/B/Blasis, Francesco Antonio|Blasis, Francesco Antonio]]
*[[/B/Blasius, Mathteu Fredric|Blasius, Mathteu Fredric]]
*[[/B/Blavit, M|Blavit, M]]
*[[/B/Blaviere|Blaviere]]
*[[/B/Blaze, H|Blaze, H]]
*[[/B/Blaze, Francois Henri Joseph Castil|Blaze, Francois Henri Joseph Castil]]
*[[/B/Blein, M|Blein, M]]
*[[/B/Blessing, M|Blessing, M]]
*[[/B/Blewitt Jonathan|Blewitt Jonathan]]
*[[/B/Bleyer, George|Bleyer, George]]
*[[/B/Bliesener, Johann|Bliesener, Johann]]
*[[/B/Blitheman, William|Blitheman, William]]
*[[/B/Blockland|Blockland]]
*[[/B/Blondeau, Aug. Louis|Blondeau, Aug. Louis]]
*[[/B/Blondel|Blondel]]
*[[/B/Blow, John|Blow, John]]
*[[/B/Blum, M. H|Blum, M. H]]
*[[/B/Blum, Carl|Blum, Carl]]
*[[/B/Blyma, F. Xav|Blyma, F. Xav]]
*[[/B/B mol|B mol]]
*[[/B/Boccherini, Luigi|Boccherini, Luigi]]
*[[/B/BOCHSA ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES|BOCHSA, ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES]]
*[[Bode, Johann Joachim Christoph|Bode, Johann Joachim Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph|Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bodini, Sebastien|Bodini, Sebastien]]
*[[/B/Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius|Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius]]
*[[/B/Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De|Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Theobald|Boehm, Theobald]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Johann|Boehm, Johann]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Twan|Boehm, Twan]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Gottfried|Boehm, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Boehmer|Boehmer]]
*[[/B/Boeker, H|Boeker, H]]
*[[/B/Boelsche, J.|Boelsche, J.]]
*[[/B/Boensenhoenig, Josepha|Boesenhoenig Josepha]]
*[[/B/Boesset, Jean Baptiste|Boesset, Jean Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Boethius, A. M. T. S.|Boethius, A. M. T. S.]]
*[[/B/Boettner, John Christian|Boettner, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bogen|Bogen]]
*[[/B/BogenFührung|Bogenführung]]
*[[/B/Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian|Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian]]
*[[/B/Boieldieu, Francois Adrien|Boieldieu, Francois Adrien]]
*[[/B/Boisgelou, Paul Louis Roualle De,|Boisgelou, Paul Louis Rougalle De,]]


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==Contents==
* [[/Title|Title Page]]
* [[/Copyright|Copyright Page]]
* [[/Preface|Preface]]

===A===
*[[/A/A|A]]
*[[/A/Aanes|Aanes]]
*[[/A/Aaron|Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aaron, Pietro|Aaron, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall|Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Baron|Abaco, Baron]]
*[[/A/Abacus|Abacus]]
*[[/A/Abacus et palmulae|Abacus et palmulae]]
*[[/A/Abacus harmonicus|Abacus harmonicus]]
*[[/A/A ballata|A ballata]]
*[[/A/A battuta|A battuta]]
*[[/A/Abbandone, abbandono, con|Abbandone, abbandono, con]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento|Abbassamento]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di mano|Abbassamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di voce|Abbassamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Abbatini, Antonio Maria|Abbatini, Antonio Maria]]
*[[/A/Abbreviation|Abbreviation]]
*[[/A/Abeille, Louis|Abeille, Louis]]
*[[/A/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]
*[[/A/Abeille|Abeille]]
*[[/A/Abelard, Peter|Abelard, Peter]]
*[[/A/Abel, Leopold Augustus|Abel, Leopold Augustus]]
*[[/A/Abel, Charles Frederic|Abel, Charles Frederic]]
*[[/A/Abell, John|Abell, John]]
*[[/A/Abel, Thomas|Abel, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Abel, Aamor Henry|Abel, Aamor Henry]]
*[[/A/Abel, J. E.|Abel, J. E.]]
*[[/A/Abeltshauser|Abeltshauser]]
*[[/A/A beneplacito|A beneplacito]]
*[[/A/Abilita|Abilita]]
*[[/A/Abingdon, Lord|Abingdon, Lord]]
*[[/A/Abos, Syr|Abos, Syr]]
*[[/A/Abraham|Abraham]]
*[[/A/Abrams, Miss|Abrams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Abridgment|Abridgment]]
*[[/A/Absatz|Absatz]]
*[[/A/Abt, Franz|Abt, Franz]]
*[[/A/Abwechselnd|Abwechselnd]]
*[[/A/Academia musicale|Academia musicale]]
*[[/A/Academie royale|Academie royale]]
*[[/A/Academy|Academy]]
*[[/A/Academy, musical|Academy, musical]]
*[[/A/Academy, royal|Academy, royal]]
*[[/A/Academy of ancient music|Academy of ancient music]]
*[[/A/A capella|A capella]]
*[[/A/A capriccio|A capriccio]]
*[[/A/Acathist js|Acathist js]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevole|Accarezzevole]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevolmento|Accarezzevolmento]]
*[[/A/Accel|Accel]]
*[[/A/Accelerando|Accelerando]]
*[[/A/Accelerato|Accelerato]]
*[[/A/Acceldo|Acceldo]]
*[[/A/Accent|Accent]]
*[[/A/Accented|Accented]]
*[[/A/Accenter|Accenter]]
*[[/A/Accents|Accents]]
*[[/A/Accentuation|Accentuation]]
*[[/A/Accent of notes|Accent of notes]]
*[[/A/Accent of feeling|Accent of feeling]]
*[[/A/Accessory parts|Accessory parts]]
*[[/A/Accessory sounds|Accessory sounds]]
*[[/A/Accessory tones|Accessory tones]]
*[[/A/Acciaccare|Acciaccare]]
*[[/A/Acciaccatura|Acciaccatura]]
*[[/A/Acciajuoli, Filippo|Acciajuoli, Filippo]]
*[[/A/Accidens|Accidens]]
*[[/A/Accidental|Accidental]]
*[[/A/Accidentals|Accidentals]]
*[[/A/Accidental chords|Accidental chords]]
*[[/A/Accidental harmonies|Accidental harmonies]]
*[[/A/Accidental notes|Accidental notes]]
*[[/A/Accolade|Accolade]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment|Accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Accomp|Accomp]]
*[[/A/Accompagnamento|Accompagnamento]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment ad libitum|Accompaniment ad libitum]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment obligato|Accompaniment obligato]]
*[[/A/Accompaniments|Accompaniments]]
*[[/A/Accompanist|Accompanist]]
*[[/A/Accompany|Accompany]]
*[[/A/Accopiate|Accopiate]]
*[[/A/Accordeon|Accordeon]]
*[[/A/Accordando|Accordando]]
*[[/A/Accordare|Accordare]]
*[[/A/Accordatura|Accordatura]]
*[[/A/Accorder|Accorder]]
*[[/A/Accord|Accord]]
*[[/A/Accorimbani, Agostino|Accorimbani, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Accorimboni, Baldassaro|Accorimboni, Baldassaro]]
*[[/A/Accresstmento|Accresstmento]]
*[[/A/Accres|Accres]]
*[[/A/A cembalo|A cembalo]]
*[[/A/Acetabulum|Acetabulum]]
*[[/A/Achtelnote|Achtelnote]]
*[[/A/Ackermann, Madame|Ackermann, Madame]]
*[[/A/Acoemetae|Acoemetae]]
*[[/A/Acolythi|Acolythi]]
*[[/A/Acolythia|Acolythia]]
*[[/A/Acoustics|Acoustics]]
*[[/A/Actor|Actor]]
*[[/A/Acts|Acts]]
*[[/A/Actis, Abbe|Actis, Abbe]]
*[[/A/Act tunes|Act tunes]]
*[[/A/Acumen|Acumen]]
*[[/A/Acute|Acute]]
*[[/A/Acuteness|Acuteness]]
*[[/A/Adagio|Adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio-adagio|Adagio-adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio assai|Adagio assai]]
*[[/A/Adagio cantabile e sostenuto|Adagio cantabile e sostenuto]]
*[[/A/Adagissimo|Adagissimo]]
*[[/A/Adagio patetico|Adagio patetico]]
*[[/A/Adam, Adolph Charles|Adam, Adolph Charles]]
*[[/A/Adam De Fulda|Adam De Fulda]]
*[[/A/Adam, D. Vicente|Adam, D. Vicente]]
*[[/A/Adam, Louis|Adam, Louis]]
*[[/A/Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea|Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea]]
*[[/A/Adami Ern Est, Daniel|Adami Ern Est, Daniel]]
*[[/A/Adams, Miss|Adams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Adamus, Dorensis|Adamus, Dorensis]]
*[[/A/Adasio|Adasio]]
*[[/A/Adcock, Abraham|Adcock, Abraham]]
*[[/A/Adcock, James|Adcock, James]]
*[[/A/Added lines|Added lines]]
*[[/A/Added sixth|Added sixth]]
*[[/A/Addimari, Luigi|Addimari, Luigi]]
*[[/A/Addison, John|Addison, John]]
*[[/A/Addition|Addition]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, lyre|Aeolian harp, lyre]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, natural one|Aeolian harp, natural one]]
*[[/A/Aeolian attachment|Aeolian attachment]]
*[[/A/Aeolodicon|Aeolodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolomelodicon|Aeolomelodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolopantalon|Aeolopantalon]]
*[[/A/Aeolus' harp|Aeolus' harp]]
*[[/A/Aequisonant|Aequisonant]]
*[[/A/Aequivagans|Aequivagans]]
*[[/A/Aesthetics|Aesthetics]]
*[[/A/Affabile|Affabile]]
*[[/A/Affetto|Affetto]]
*[[/A/Affettuoso|Affettuoso]]
*[[/A/Affettuosissimo|Affettuosissimo]]
*[[/A/Affilard|Affilard]]
*[[/A/Affinity|Affinity]]
*[[/A/Afflizione|Afflizione]]
*[[/A/A flat|A flat]]
*[[/A/A flat, major|A flat, major]]
*[[/A/Affrettando, affrettate|Affrettando, affrettate]]
*[[/A/Afranio|Afranio]]
*[[/A/After notes|After notes]]
*[[/A/Agathon|Agathon]]
*[[/A/Agazzari, Augustino|Agazzari, Augustino]]
*[[/A/Agazzi|Agazzi]]
*[[/A/Agelaus|Agelaus]]
*[[/A/Aghte, F. W|Aghte, F. W]]
*[[/A/Agia|Agia]]
*[[/A/Agilita|Agilita]]
*[[/A/Agitato|Agitato]]
*[[/A/Agitato allegro|Agitato allegro]]
*[[/A/Agitato un poco|Agitato un poco]]
*[[/A/Agnelli, Lorenzo|Agnelli, Lorenzo]]
*[[/A/Agnesi, Maria Teresa|Agnesi, Maria Teresa]]
*[[/A/Agnus dei|Agnus dei]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Ludovico|Agostini, Ludovico]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Paolo|Agostini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Pietro Simone|Agostini, Pietro Simone]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Rosa|Agostini, Rosa]]
*[[/A/Agoge|Agoge]]
*[[/A/A grand choeur|A grand choeur]]
*[[/A/A grand orchestra|A grand orchestra]]
*[[/A/Agrell, John|Agrell, John]]
*[[/A/Agresta, Agostino|Agresta, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Frederic Henry|Agricola, Frederic Henry]]
*[[/A/Agricola, George Lewis|Agricola, George Lewis]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John|Agricola, John]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John Frederic|Agricola, John Frederic]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martinus|Agricola, Martinus]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni|Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Rodolph|Agricola, Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martin|Agricola, Martin]]
*[[/A/Agrippa|Agrippa]]
*[[/A/Agrippa, H. C|Agrippa, H. C]]
*[[/A/Agthe, C. C|Agthe, C. C]]
*[[/A/Agujari, Lucrezia|Agujari, Lucrezia]]
*[[/A/Aguilera, Sebastian De|Aguilera, Sebastian De]]
*[[/A/Agus|Agus]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John George|Ahle, John George]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John Rodolph|Ahle, John Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Ahlstrom, Ol|Ahlstrom, Ol]]
*[[/A/Ahnesorgen, C. G|Ahnesorgen, C. G]]
*[[/A/Aiblinger|Aiblinger]]
*[[/A/Aich, G|Aich, G]]
*[[/A/Aichinger, G|Aichinger, G]]
*[[/A/Aignan|Aignan]]
*[[/A/Aigner, Engelberto|Aigner, Engelberto]]
*[[/A/Aiguino, Bresciano|Aiguino, Bresciano]]
*[[/A/A in alt|A in alt]]
*[[/A/A in altissimo|A in altissimo]]
*[[/A/Aimon, P. L. F|Aimon, P. L. F]]
*[[/A/Aiolla, Francesco|Aiolla, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Air|Air]]
*[[/A/Air varie|Air varie]]
*[[/A/Ais|Ais]]
*[[/A/Akeroyd, S|Akeroyd, S]]
*[[/A/Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai|Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai]]
*[[/A/A-la-mi-re|A-la-mi-re]]
*[[/A/A la grec|A la grec]]
*[[/A/A la polacca|A la polacca]]
*[[/A/Ala, G. B|Ala, G. B]]
*[[/A/Alanus ab insulis|Alanus ab insulis]]
*[[/A/Alardus, L|Alardus, L]]
*[[/A/Alarius|Alarius]]
*[[/A/Albaneze|Albaneze]]
*[[/A/Albani, Matthias|Albani, Matthias]]
*[[/A/Albano|Albano]]
*[[/A/Albarini|Albarini]]
*[[/A/Albergante, H. S|Albergante, H. S]]
*[[/A/Albergati, P. C|Albergati, P. C]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, Paolo|Alberghi, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, I|Alberghi, I]]
*[[/A/Alberici, G|Alberici, G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, L|Alberici, L]]
*[[/A/Alberici, P. G|Alberici, P. G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, v|Alberici, v]]
*[[/A/Albericus|Albericus]]
*[[/A/Albers, F. B|Albers, F. B]]
*[[/A/Albert|Albert]]
*[[/A/Albert, Madame|Albert, Madame]]
*[[/A/Albert, Henry|Albert, Henry]]
*[[/A/Albert, Prince|Albert, Prince]]
*[[/A/Alberti|Alberti]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Dominico|Alberti, Dominico]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo|Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J|Alberti, J]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J. F|Alberti, J. F]]
*[[/A/Alberti, P|Alberti, P]]
*[[/A/Albertini, F|Albertini, F]]
*[[/A/Albertini, Joachim|Albertini, Joachim]]
*[[/A/Albertini, I|Albertini, I]]
*[[/A/Albertus Magnus|Albertus Magnus]]
*[[/A/Albertus, Venetus|Albertus, Venetus]]
*[[/A/Albicastro, H|Albicastro, H]]
*[[/A/Albini, V|Albini, V]]
*[[/A/Albinoni, Thomas|Albinoni, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Albioso, M|Albioso, M]]
*[[/A/Albizzi Tagliamochi, B|Albizzi Tagliamochi, B]]
*[[/A/Albonesio, A. T|Albonesio, A. T]]
*[[/A/Alboni, Marietta|Alboni, Marietta]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. L|Albrecht, J. L]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. M|Albrecht, J. M]]
*[[/A/Albrechtsberger, John George|Albrechtsberger, John George]]
*[[/A/Albrici, V|Albrici, V]]
*[[/A/Albujio|Albujio]]
*[[/A/Alcaeus|Alcaeus]]
*[[/A/Alcibiades|Alcibiades]]
*[[/A/Alcock, John|Alcock, John]]
*[[/A/Allday, P|Allday, P]]
*[[/A/Alderinus, Cosma|Alderinus, Cosma]]
*[[/A/Aldovandrini|Aldovandrini]]
*[[/A/Aldrich, Rev|Aldrich, Rev]]
*[[/A/Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico|Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico]]
*[[/A/Aldrovandini|Aldrovandini]]
*[[/A/Aleman|Aleman]]
*[[/A/Alembert, Jean Le Rond D'|Alembert, Jean Le Rond D']]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta|Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta]]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Vittoria|Aleotti, Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Alessandri, Felice|Alessandri, Felice]]
*[[/A/Alessandro, Romano|Alessandro, Romano]]
*[[/A/Alexander, J|Alexander, J]]
*[[/A/Alexander Ab Alexandro|Alexander Ab Alexandro]]
*[[/A/Alexander, Symphoniarcha|Alexander, Symphoniarcha]]
*[[/A/Alexander|Alexander]]
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*[[/A/Articulato|Articulato]]
*[[/A/Artificial|Artificial]]
*[[/A/Artificial compound|Artificial compound]]
*[[/A/Artificial harmony|Artificial harmony]]
*[[/A/Artificial scale|Artificial scale]]
*[[/A/Art of music|Art of music]]
*[[/A/Art of reading from a score|Art of reading from a score]]
*[[/A/Artemira|Artemira]]
*[[/A/Artot, Joseph|Artot, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Arts, Fine|Arts, Fine]]
*[[/A/Artufel, Damianus D'|Artufel, Damianus D']]
*[[/A/Artus|Artus]]
*[[/A/Artusi, Giovanni Maria|Artusi, Giovanni Maria]]
*[[/A/As|As]]
*[[/A/Asaph|Asaph]]
*[[/A/Aschenbrenner, Christian|Aschenbrenner, Christian]]
*[[/A/As dur|As dur]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Andrew|Ashe, Andrew]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Mrs|Ashe, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Misses|Ashe, Misses]]
*[[/A/Ashley, General|Ashley, General]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John James|Ashley, John James]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Charles|Ashley, Charles]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Richard|Ashley, Richard]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John|Ashley, John]]
*[[/A/Ashwell, T|Ashwell, T]]
*[[/A/Ashworth|Ashworth]]
*[[/A/As moll|As moll]]
*[[/A/Asperges me|Asperges me]]
*[[/A/Asprezza|Asprezza]]
*[[/A/Assai|Assai]]
*[[/A/Assoluto|Assoluto]]
*[[/A/Asioli, Bonifazio|Asioli, Bonifazio]]
*[[/A/Asola|Asola]]
*[[/A/Asor|Asor]]
*[[/A/Aspelmeyer|Aspelmeyer]]
*[[/A/Aspull, George|Aspull, George]]
*[[/A/Assmayer|Assmayer]]
*[[/A/Assouci, Charles Coypeau D'|Assouci, Charles Coypeau D']]
*[[/A/Assuni|Assuni]]
*[[/A/Astarita, Gennaro|Astarita, Gennaro]]
*[[/A/Aster, David|Aster, David]]
*[[/A/Astier|Astier]]
*[[/A/Aston|Aston]]
*[[/A/Astorga, Baron Emanuele D'|Astorga, Baron Emanuele D']]
*[[/A/Astorga, J. O|Astorga, J. O]]
*[[/A/Astrua, Giovanna|Astrua, Giovanna]]
*[[/A/Asula|Asula]]
*[[/A/A tempo|A tempo]]
*[[/A/A tempo di gavotta|A tempo di gavotta]]
*[[/A/A tempo giusto|A tempo giusto]]
*[[/A/Athanasius|Athanasius]]
*[[/A/Athenaeus|Athenaeus]]
*[[/A/Atherstane|Atherstane]]
*[[/A/A tre|A tre]]
*[[/A/Atis|Atis]]
*[[/A/Attaccato subito|Attaccato subito]]
*[[/A/Attacca, attacca subito|Attacca, attacca subito]]
*[[/A/Attendant keys|Attendant keys]]
*[[/A/Atterbury|Atterbury]]
*[[/A/Attilio|Attilio]]
*[[/A/Atto|Atto]]
*[[/A/Atto di cadenza|Atto di cadenza]]
*[[/A/Attori, attrici|Attori, attrici]]
*[[/A/Attwood, Thomas|Attwood, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Aubade|Aubade]]
*[[/A/Auberlen, S. G|Auberlen, S. G]]
*[[/A/Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit|Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit]]
*[[/A/Aubert|Aubert]]
*[[/A/Aubert, P. F. Olivier|Aubert, P. F. Olivier]]
*[[/A/Auberti|Auberti]]
*[[/A/Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D'|Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D']]
*[[/A/Aubin, Madame St|Aubin, Madame St]]
*[[/A/Audace|Audace]]
*[[/A/Audibility Of Sound|Audibility Of Sound]]
*[[/A/Audinot|Audinot]]
*[[/A/Audinot, Mlle|Audinot, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Auenbrugger, F|Auenbrugger, F]]
*[[/A/Aufhaltung|Aufhaltung]]
*[[/A/Aufl|Aufl]]
*[[/A/Auffman, J. A|Auffman, J. A]]
*[[/A/Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton|Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton]]
*[[/A/Augmentation|Augmentation]]
*[[/A/Augustin|Augustin]]
*[[/A/Augustini, Paolo|Augustini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Augustinus, Aurelius|Augustinus, Aurelius]]
*[[/A/Aulberus|Aulberus]]
*[[/A/Auletta|Auletta]]
*[[/A/Auletes|Auletes]]
*[[/A/Aulnaye, M. De L'|Aulnaye, M. De L']]
*[[/A/Aulus Gellius|Aulus Gellius]]
*[[/A/Aumann, Dietrich Christian|Aumann, Dietrich Christian]]
*[[/A/Aumer|Aumer]]
*[[/A/A una corda|A una corda]]
*[[/A/Aureli, A|Aureli, A]]
*[[/A/Aurelianus Reomensis|Aurelianus Reomensis]]
*[[/A/Aurenhammer, Madame|Aurenhammer, Madame]]
*[[/A/Auriemma|Auriemma]]
*[[/A/Aurisicchio|Aurisicchio]]
*[[/A/Aus|Aus]]
*[[/A/Ausarbeitung|Ausarbeitung]]
*[[/A/Ausdehnung|Ausdehnung]]
*[[/A/Ausdruck|Ausdruck]]
*[[/A/Ausweichung|Ausweichung]]
*[[/A/Autentico|Autentico]]
*[[/A/Authentic|Authentic]]
*[[/A/Authentic melodies|Authentic melodies]]
*[[/A/Authentic modes or tones|Authentic modes or tones]]
*[[/A/Authentic or perfect cadence|Authentic or perfect cadence]]
*[[/A/Automaton|Automaton]]
*[[/A/Autos sacramentales|Autos sacramentales]]
*[[/A/Autreau, J|Autreau, J]]
*[[/A/Auvergne, Antoine D'|Auvergne, Antoine D']]
*[[/A/Auvray, J. B|Auvray, J. B]]
*[[/A/Avantano, P|Avantano, P]]
*[[/A/Avanzolini, Girolamo|Avanzolini, Girolamo]]
*[[/A/Avaux, D'|Avaux, D']]
*[[/A/Avella, Giovanni D'|Avella, Giovanni D']]
*[[/A/Ave maria|Ave maria]]
*[[/A/Avena|Avena]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Johann|Avenarius, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Philippe|Avenarius, Philippe]]
*[[/A/Aventinus, Johannes|Aventinus, Johannes]]
*[[/A/Avertel|Avertel]]
*[[/A/Avia, J|Avia, J]]
*[[/A/Avianus, Johann|Avianus, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avicenna|Avicenna]]
*[[/A/Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be|Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be]]
*[[/A/Avison, Charles|Avison, Charles]]
*[[/A/A vista|A vista]]
*[[/A/Avollo|Avollo]]
*[[/A/Avontano, Pietro|Avontano, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Avosani, Orfeo|Avosani, Orfeo]]
*[[/A/Axamenta|Axamenta]]
*[[/A/Axt, F. S|Axt, F. S]]
*[[/A/Aylward, Theodore|Aylward, Theodore]]
*[[/A/Ayrton, Dr|Ayrton, Dr]]
*[[/A/Azais|Azais]]
*[[/A/Azione sacra|Azione sacra]]
*[[/A/Azopardi, Francesco|Azopardi, Francesco]]

===B===
*[[/B/B|B]]
*[[/B/Babbi, C|Babbi, C]]
*[[/B/Babbi, Gregorio|Babbi, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Babbini, Matteo|Babbini, Matteo]]
*[[/B/Babell, William|Babell, William]]
*[[/B/Babticocchi|Babticocchi]]
*[[/B/B above g gamut|B above g gamut]]
*[[/B/B above the bass clef note|B above the bass clef note]]
*[[/B/B above the treble clef note|B above the treble clef note]]
*[[/B/Bacchius|Bacchius]]
*[[/B/Bacci, Pietro Giacomo|Bacci, Pietro Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Baccusi, Hippolita|Baccusi, Hippolita]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Sebastian|Bach, John Sebastian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel|Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Christian|Bach, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich|Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann|Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann]]
*[[/B/Bach, Cecilia|Bach, Cecilia]]
*[[/B/Bach, Friedrich Ludwig|Bach, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, George Christopher|Bach, George Christopher]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Bernhard|Bach, Johann Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph|Bach, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ernst|Bach, Johann Ernst]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ludwig|Bach, Johann Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Michael|Bach, Johann Michael]]
*[[/B/Bach, Oswald|Bach, Oswald]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm|Bach, Wilhelm]]
*[[/B/Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De|Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De]]
*[[/B/Bachelor of music|Bachelor of music]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Carl Ludwig|Bachmann, Carl Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine|Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Gottlob|Bachmann, Gottlob]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, J|Bachmann, J]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Pater Sixt|Bachmann, Pater Sixt]]
*[[/B/Bachschmidt|Bachschmidt]]
*[[/B/Bacilly, B|Bacilly, B]]
*[[/B/Backofen, J. G. H|Backofen, J. G. H]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Ernst|Backofen, Ernst]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Gottfried|Backofen, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Badia, Carlo Agostino|Badia, Carlo Agostino]]
*[[/B/Badinage|Badinage]]
*[[/B/Badonini|Badonini]]
*[[/B/Baehr, Joseph|Baehr, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Baeumel|Baeumel]]
*[[/B/Baeumer, Friedrich|Baeumer, Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bagatella, Antonio|Bagatella, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bagatti Francesco|Bagatti Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De|Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Francois|Baglioni, Francois]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Louis|Baglioni, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bagpipe|Bagpipe]]
*[[/B/Bahidt|Bahidt]]
*[[/B/Bahn, T. G|Bahn, T. G]]
*[[/B/Baif, John Antony De|Baif, John Antony De]]
*[[/B/Baildon|Baildon]]
*[[/B/Bailey, Anselm|Bailey, Anselm]]
*[[/B/Baillon, P|Baillon, P]]
*[[/B/Baillot, Pierre|Baillot, Pierre]]
*[[/B/Baillou, Luigi|Baillou, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Bailly, M|Bailly, M]]
*[[/B/Baini, Lorenzo|Baini, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bainville|Bainville]]
*[[/B/Baker, Dr|Baker, Dr]]
*[[/B/Balarini|Balarini]]
*[[/B/Balbatre, Claude|Balbatre, Claude]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Lorenzo|Balbi, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ignatius|Balbi, Ignatius]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ludovico|Balbi, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Baldacini, Antonio Luigi|Baldacini, Antonio Luigi]]
*[[/B/Baldan|Baldan]]
*[[/B/Baldeneker, U|Baldeneker, U]]
*[[/B/Baldi|Baldi]]
*[[/B/Balducci|Balducci]]
*[[/B/Balestra, R|Balestra, R]]
*[[/B/Baletti, Riccob|Baletti, Riccob]]
*[[/B/Ballabene, Gregorio|Ballabene, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Ballad|Ballad]]
*[[/B/Ballad singer|Ballad singer]]
*[[/B/Ballad style|Ballad style]]
*[[/B/Ballare|Ballare]]
*[[/B/Ballata|Ballata]]
*[[/B/Balino|Balino]]
*[[/B/Ballarotti|Ballarotti]]
*[[/B/Balletti, Mademoiselle|Balletti, Mademoiselle]]
*[[/B/Ballet|Ballet]]
*[[/B/Balletto|Balletto]]
*[[/B/Ballet master|Ballet master]]
*[[/B/Balli|Balli]]
*[[/B/Ballicourt|Ballicourt]]
*[[/B/Balliere, C. L. D|Balliere, C. L. D]]
*[[/B/Ballo|Ballo]]
*[[/B/Balfe|Balfe]]
*[[/B/Baltazarini|Baltazarini]]
*[[/B/Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy|Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy]]
*[[/B/Baltzar, Thomas|Baltzar, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Balvansky|Balvansky]]
*[[/B/Balziani, Leonardo|Balziani, Leonardo]]
*[[/B/Bamberger, Madame|Bamberger, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bambini, F|Bambini, F]]
*[[/B/Banchieri, Ariano|Banchieri, Ariano]]
*[[/B/Banczakewic|Banczakewic]]
*[[/B/Band|Band]]
*[[/B/Banderali|Banderali]]
*[[/B/Bandini, Angelo Maria|Bandini, Angelo Maria]]
*[[/B/Band ore|Band ore]]
*[[/B/Banester, G|Banester, G]]
*[[/B/Banister, John|Banister, John]]
*[[/B/Banister, Charles|Banister, Charles]]
*[[/B/Banister, H. J|Banister, H. J]]
*[[/B/Banjo|Banjo]]
*[[/B/Bank, J. C. H|Bank, J. C. H]]
*[[/B/Bankhart|Bankhart]]
*[[/B/Banneux|Banneux]]
*[[/B/Bannus, John Albertus|Bannus, John Albertus]]
*[[/B/Banti, Brigada Georgi|Banti, Brigada Georgi]]
*[[/B/Banwart, Jacob|Banwart, Jacob]]
*[[/B/Baptista, Fr|Baptista, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, John|Baptiste, John]]
*[[/B/Baptiste|Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, Ludwig Alb|Baptiste, Ludwig Alb]]
*[[/B/Baptistin|Baptistin]]
*[[/B/Bar|Bar]]
*[[/B/Baranelli|Baranelli]]
*[[/B/Baranius, Henrietta|Baranius, Henrietta]]
*[[/B/Baravicini, Madame|Baravicini, Madame]]
*[[/B/Barba, Daniel|Barba, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Barbant, Charles|Barbant, Charles]]
*[[/B/Barbarino, Bartolomeo|Barbarino, Bartolomeo]]
*[[/B/Barbarism|Barbarism]]
*[[/B/Barbarous|Barbarous]]
*[[/B/Barbella, Emanuele|Barbella, Emanuele]]
*[[/B/Barber|Barber]]
*[[/B/Barbici|Barbici]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Madame Walbonne|Barbier, Madame Walbonne]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Mrs|Barbier, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barbiere|Barbiere]]
*[[/B/Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo|Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo]]
*[[/B/Barbud|Barbud]]
*[[/B/Barca, Don Alessandro|Barca, Don Alessandro]]
*[[/B/Barcarolles, barcorelles|Barcarolles, barcorelles]]
*[[/B/Bard|Bard]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Giovanni De|Bardi, Giovanni De]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Girolamo|Bardi, Girolamo]]
*[[/B/Baretti, Giuseppe|Baretti, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Baretti, A|Baretti, A]]
*[[/B/Bargaglia, Scipione|Bargaglia, Scipione]]
*[[/B/Barille|Barille]]
*[[/B/Barilli, Madame|Barilli, Madame]]
*[[/B/Baripicni|Baripicni]]
*[[/B/Baritono voice|Baritono voice]]
*[[/B/Baritono clef|Baritono clef]]
*[[/B/Barizel|Barizel]]
*[[/B/Barly|Barly]]
*[[/B/Barman, F|Barman, F]]
*[[/B/Barmann, Johann Baptist|Barmann, Johann Baptist]]
*[[/B/Barnard, Rev|Barnard, Rev]]
*[[/B/Barnett, John|Barnett, John]]
*[[/B/Barni, Camille|Barni, Camille]]
*[[/B/Baron, Ernst Gottlieb|Baron, Ernst Gottlieb]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Adriana|Baroni, Adriana]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Antonio|Baroni, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Catharina|Baroni, Catharina]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Leonora|Baroni, Leonora]]
*[[/B/Baroque|Baroque]]
*[[/B/Barre|Barre]]
*[[/B/Barre, Antonio|Barre, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Barre, Trille La|Barre, Trille La]]
*[[/B/Barred c|Barred c]]
*[[/B/Barred semicircle|Barred semicircle]]
*[[/B/Barrel organ|Barrel organ]]
*[[/B/Barrett, John|Barrett, John]]
*[[/B/Barretti|Barretti]]
*[[/B/Barriere, E. B. J|Barriere, E. B. J]]
*[[/B/Barrington, Hon|Barrington, Hon]]
*[[/B/Barsanti, Francesco|Barsanti, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Barta|Barta]]
*[[/B/Bartali, A|Bartali, A]]
*[[/B/Bartelozzi, B|Bartelozzi, B]]
*[[/B/Barth, Christian Samuel|Barth, Christian Samuel]]
*[[/B/Barth, F. P|Barth, F. P]]
*[[/B/Barthel, Johann Christian|Barthel, Johann Christian]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, F|Barthelemon, F]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, Mrs|Barthelemon, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barthoffer|Barthoffer]]
*[[/B/Bartholdy|Bartholdy]]
*[[/B/Bartholini, Rindio|Bartholini, Rindio]]
*[[/B/Bartholomaeus|Bartholomaeus]]
*[[/B/Bartleman, J|Bartleman, J]]
*[[/B/Bartlett, John|Bartlett, John]]
*[[/B/Bartoli, Daniel|Bartoli, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Bartolini Perugino, Simone|Bartolini Perugino, Simone]]
*[[/B/Bartolozzi|Bartolozzi]]
*[[/B/Bartolus, Abraham|Bartolus, Abraham]]
*[[/B/Barton, Jusquin|Barton, Jusquin]]
*[[/B/Bartsch, C. F|Bartsch, C. F]]
*[[/B/Bartsch|Bartsch]]
*[[/B/Baruta|Baruta]]
*[[/B/Baryphonus, Henry|Baryphonus, Henry]]
*[[/B/Barypicni|Barypicni]]
*[[/B/Barytone|Barytone]]
*[[/B/Basanier, Martin|Basanier, Martin]]
*[[/B/Basile, Adriana|Basile, Adriana]]
*[[/B/Basilicapetri, Carlo|Basilicapetri, Carlo]]
*[[/B/Basilu, D. F|Basilu, D. F]]
*[[/B/Basilio, Francesco|Basilio, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bass, base|Bass, base]]
*[[/B/Bass beam|Bass beam]]
*[[/B/Bass horn|Bass horn]]
*[[/B/Bass clef note|Bass clef note]]
*[[/B/Bass grace|Bass grace]]
*[[/B/Bass string|Bass string]]
*[[/B/Bass, thorough|Bass, thorough]]
*[[/B/Bass violin|Bass violin]]
*[[/B/Bass viol|Bass viol]]
*[[/B/Bass voice|Bass voice]]
*[[/B/Bass chantante|Bass chantante]]
*[[/B/Bass clef|Bass clef]]
*[[/B/Bass counter|Bass counter]]
*[[/B/Bassa|Bassa]]
*[[/B/Bassani, giovanni battista|Bassani, giovanni battista]]
*[[/B/Bassani, Geronimo|Bassani, Geronimo]]
*[[/B/Bassani, Orazio|Bassani, Orazio]]
*[[/B/Basse|Basse]]
*[[/B/Basse chiffre|Basse chiffre]]
*[[/B/Basseggio, Lorenzo|Basseggio, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bassetto|Bassetto]]
*[[/B/Basset-horn|Basset-horn]]
*[[/B/Bassi|Bassi]]
*[[/B/Bassiron, Philipp|Bassiron, Philipp]]
*[[/B/Bassista|Bassista]]
*[[/B/Basso|Basso]]
*[[/B/Basso concertante|Basso concertante]]
*[[/B/Basso continuo|Basso continuo]]
*[[/B/Basso costrutto|Basso costrutto]]
*[[/B/Basso primo|Basso primo]]
*[[/B/Basso recitante|Basso recitante]]
*[[/B/Basso ripieno|Basso ripieno]]
*[[/B/Basso rivolato|Basso rivolato]]
*[[/B/Basso secondo, a|Basso secondo, a]]
*[[/B/Bassoon|Bassoon]]
*[[/B/Basta|Basta]]
*[[/B/Bastamento|Bastamento]]
*[[/B/Basterwitz|Basterwitz]]
*[[/B/Bastide|Bastide]]
*[[/B/Bastini, Vincenzo|Bastini, Vincenzo]]
*[[/B/Baston, Josquin|Baston, Josquin]]
*[[/B/Bataille, Gabriel|Bataille, Gabriel]]
*[[/B/Baten, Fleur|Baten, Fleur]]
*[[/B/Bates, Joah, Esq|Bates, Joah, Esq]]
*[[/B/Bates, Mrs|Bates, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Bateson, Thomas|Bateson, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bathe, W|Bathe, W]]
*[[/B/Batillus|Batillus]]
*[[/B/Batistin|Batistin]]
*[[/B/Baton|Baton]]
*[[/B/Batten, Adrian|Batten, Adrian]]
*[[/B/Battere|Battere]]
*[[/B/Batteux, Charles|Batteux, Charles]]
*[[/B/Battiferni, Luigi|Battiferni, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Battino|Battino]]
*[[/B/Battishill, Jonathan|Battishill, Jonathan]]
*[[/B/Battista, Alb. L. Fr|Battista, Alb. L. Fr]]
*[[/B/Battistine, Giacomo|Battistine, Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Battle hymn|Battle hymn]]
*[[/B/Battuta|Battuta]]
*[[/B/Batu|Batu]]
*[[/B/Bauck|Bauck]]
*[[/B/Bau|Bau]]
*[[/B/Baud, M|Baud, M]]
*[[/B/Baudiot, Charles H|Baudiot, Charles H]]
*[[/B/Bauer, Francois|Bauer, Francois]]
*[[/B/Bauer, Catharine|Bauer, Catharine]]
*[[/B/Bauer, G|Bauer, G]]
*[[/B/Bauersachs, Christian Friedrich|Bauersachs, Christian Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bauerschmidt|Bauerschmidt]]
*[[/B/Baumann, Paul Christophe|Baumann, Paul Christophe]]
*[[/B/Baumbach, Fr|Baumbach, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baumberg|Baumberg]]
*[[/B/Baumgartner, Jean Baptiste|Baumgartner, Jean Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten, C|Baumgarten, C]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten, Gotthilf Von|Baumgarten, Gotthilf Von]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten|Baumgarten]]
*[[/B/Baur, Charles Alexis|Baur, Charles Alexis]]
*[[/B/Baurans, N|Baurans, N]]
*[[/B/Bausteller, Johann Conrad|Bausteller, Johann Conrad]]
*[[/B/Baverini, Francesco|Baverini, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bayart, Constanz A. M|Bayart, Constanz A. M]]
*[[/B/Bayer, Andre|Bayer, Andre]]
*[[/B/Bayer, Mlle|Bayer, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Bayly, Anselm, Ll|Bayly, Anselm, Ll]]
*[[/B/Bayon, Mlle|Bayon, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Natale|Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Natale]]
*[[/B/Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Francesco|Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Francesco]]
*[[/B/B double|B double]]
*[[/B/B durum, or hard b. b natural|B durum, or hard b. b natural]]
*[[/B/B flat|B flat]]
*[[/B/Beale, John|Beale, John]]
*[[/B/Beale, William|Beale, William]]
*[[/B/Beale|Beale]]
*[[/B/Beard, John|Beard, John]]
*[[/B/Bearing notes|Bearing notes]]
*[[/B/Beat|Beat]]
*[[/B/Beatings|Beatings]]
*[[/B/Beats|Beats]]
*[[/B/Beating time|Beating time]]
*[[/B/Beattie, Dr. James|Beattie, Dr. James]]
*[[/B/Beaujoyeux de -|Beaujoyeux de -]]
*[[/B/Beaumesnil, Mlle|Beaumesnil, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Beaumont, Saunter De|Beaumont, Saunter De]]
*[[/B/Becarre|Becarre]]
*[[/B/Beche|Beche]]
*[[/B/Beck, C. F|Beck, C. F]]
*[[/B/Beck, Francois|Beck, Francois]]
*[[/B/Becken|Becken]]
*[[/B/Becker, Or Beker, C. L|Becker, Or Beker, C. L]]
*[[/B/Becker, D|Becker, D]]
*[[/B/Becker, Fred. Aug|Becker, Fred. Aug]]
*[[/B/Becker, Jean|Becker, Jean]]
*[[/B/Beckmann, Jean Frederic Gottlieb|Beckmann, Jean Frederic Gottlieb]]
*[[/B/Beckwith, Dr|Beckwith, Dr]]
*[[/B/Beczwarzowsky, A. F|Beczwarzowsky, A. F]]
*[[/B/Bedard, Jeane Baptiste|Bedard, Jeane Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Bede|Bede]]
*[[/B/Bedford, Arthur|Bedford, Arthur]]
*[[/B/Bedos De Celles, Dom Francois|Bedos De Celles, Dom Francois]]
*[[/B/Bedrick|Bedrick]]
*[[/B/Beecke, Ignaz Von|Beecke, Ignaz Von]]
*[[/B/Beer, Johann|Beer, Johann]]
*[[/B/Beer, Joseph|Beer, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Beethoven, Louis Van|Beethoven, Louis Van]]
*[[/B/Beffroi De Reigny, L. A|Beffroi De Reigny, L. A]]
*[[/B/Begeisterung|Begeisterung]]
*[[/B/Begleitung|Begleitung]]
*[[/B/Begrez, Pierre-ignace|Begrez, Pierre-ignace]]
*[[/B/Begue, Le|Begue, Le]]
*[[/B/Behr, Samuel Rudolph|Behr, Samuel Rudolph]]
*[[/B/Bell|Bell]]
*[[/B/Bella, Domenico Dalla|Bella, Domenico Dalla]]
*[[/B/Bellamy, Thomas Ludford|Bellamy, Thomas Ludford]]
*[[/B/Bellanda, Ludovico|Bellanda, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Bellaver, Vincent|Bellaver, Vincent]]
*[[/B/Bellerman, Constantin|Bellerman, Constantin]]
*[[/B/Belletti, Giovanni|Belletti, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bellezza, con|Bellezza, con]]
*[[/B/Belli, Giovanni|Belli, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bellini, Vincent|Bellini, Vincent]]
*[[/B/Bellochi, Signora Georgi|Bellochi, Signora Georgi]]
*[[/B/Belloli|Belloli]]
*[[/B/Bells, musical|Bells, musical]]
*[[/B/Bell ringer|Bell ringer]]
*[[/B/Bell of a horn|Bell of a horn]]
*[[/B/Bellows|Bellows]]
*[[/B/Bellows of an organ|Bellows of an organ]]
*[[/B/Belly of an instrument|Belly of an instrument]]
*[[/B/Bel metallo di voce|Bel metallo di voce]]
*[[/B/Beltrame|Beltrame]]
*[[/B/Bemetzrieder|Bemetzrieder]]
*[[/B/Bemol|Bemol]]
*[[/B/Ben|Ben]]
*[[/B/Bencini, P. P|Bencini, P. P]]
*[[/B/Benda, Franz|Benda, Franz]]
*[[/B/Benda, George|Benda, George]]
*[[/B/Benda, Friedrich Ludwig|Benda, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Benda, Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich|Benda, Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich]]
*[[/B/Benda, Joseph|Benda, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Benda, Carl Herrmann Hein|Benda, Carl Herrmann Hein]]
*[[/B/Benda, Madame|Benda, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bendeler, Johann Philipp|Bendeler, Johann Philipp]]
*[[/B/Bender|Bender]]
*[[/B/Bendinelli, Agostino|Bendinelli, Agostino]]
*[[/B/Bene|Bene]]
*[[/B/Benecken, F. B|Benecken, F. B]]
*[[/B/Benedict, Jules|Benedict, Jules]]
*[[/B/Benedict|Benedict]]
*[[/B/Benedictus|Benedictus]]
*[[/B/Benedictus, Joh. Baptista|Benedictus, Joh. Baptista]]
*[[/B/Benedikt|Benedikt]]
*[[/B/Beneken|Beneken]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Alemanno|Benelli, Alemanno]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Antonio|Benelli, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Signor|Benelli, Signor]]
*[[/B/Bene placito|Bene placito]]
*[[/B/Ben Et, John|Ben Et, John]]
*[[/B/Benetti|Benetti]]
*[[/B/Benevento, Giuseppe J. U|Benevento, Giuseppe J. U]]
*[[/B/Benevento Di San Raffale, Lb Comte|Benevento Di San Raffale, Lb Comte]]
*[[/B/Benevoli, Orazio|Benevoli, Orazio]]
*[[/B/Bengraf, Johann|Bengraf, Johann]]
*[[/B/Benincori, Angelo|Benincori, Angelo]]
*[[/B/Benini, Giuseppe|Benini, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Benini, Signora|Benini, Signora]]
*[[/B/Bennet, John|Bennet, John]]
*[[/B/Bennet, William|Bennet, William]]
*[[/B/Bennett, Thomas|Bennett, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bennett, William Sterndale|Bennett, William Sterndale]]
*[[/B/Benmarcato|Benmarcato]]
*[[/B/Benser|Benser]]
*[[/B/Bequarre|Bequarre]]
*[[/B/Berard|Berard]]
*[[/B/Berardi, Angelo|Berardi, Angelo]]
*[[/B/Beraudiere, Marc De|Beraudiere, Marc De]]
*[[/B/Berbiguier, Benoit Tranquille|Berbiguier, Benoit Tranquille]]
*[[/B/Berchem, Jaques Giachetto|Berchem, Jaques Giachetto]]
*[[/B/Berg|Berg]]
*[[/B/Berger, Louis|Berger, Louis]]
*[[/B/Berger, Johann Wilhelm Von|Berger, Johann Wilhelm Von]]
*[[/B/Bergognoni, Bernardo|Bergognoni, Bernardo]]
*[[/B/Bergomus, Alexander|Bergomus, Alexander]]
*[[/B/Bergt, Christian Gottlob August|Bergt, Christian Gottlob August]]
*[[/B/Berlin Academy Of Music|Berlin Academy Of Music]]
*[[/B/Berlioz, Hector|Berlioz, Hector]]
*[[/B/Berls, Johann Rudolph|Berls, Johann Rudolph]]
*[[/B/Bermudo, Juan|Bermudo, Juan]]
*[[/B/Bernabei, Ercole|Bernabei, Ercole]]
*[[/B/Bernabei, Giuseppe Ant|Bernabei, Giuseppe Ant]]
*[[/B/Bernacchi, Antonio|Bernacchi, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bernard, Anton|Bernard, Anton]]
*[[/B/Bernard, Giffard|Bernard, Giffard]]
*[[/B/Bernardi, Bartolomeo|Bernardi, Bartolomeo]]
*[[/B/Bernardi, Franz|Bernardi, Franz]]
*[[/B/Bernardi, Steffano|Bernardi, Steffano]]
*[[/B/Bernardi, Francesco|Bernardi, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bernardini, Marcello|Bernardini, Marcello]]
*[[/B/Bernasconi, Andrea|Bernasconi, Andrea]]
*[[/B/Berner, Andrea|Berner, Andrea]]
*[[/B/Bernhard, Christoph|Bernhard, Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bernhard|Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bernier, Nicolas|Bernier, Nicolas]]
*[[/B/Berretari, Aurelio|Berretari, Aurelio]]
*[[/B/Bertali, Antonio|Bertali, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bertani, Lelio|Bertani, Lelio]]
*[[/B/Bertezen, Salvador|Bertezen, Salvador]]
*[[/B/Berthaud|Berthaud]]
*[[/B/Bertheaume|Bertheaume]]
*[[/B/Bertholdo, Spiridio|Bertholdo, Spiridio]]
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*[[/B/Bertini, Benoit Auguste|Bertini, Benoit Auguste]]
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*[[/B/Bertoldi|Bertoldi]]
*[[/B/Bertoldi, Signora|Bertoldi, Signora]]
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*[[/B/Berton, Henri Montan|Berton, Henri Montan]]
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*[[/B/Bertuch|Bertuch]]
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*[[/B/Besardus, Jean Baptiste|Besardus, Jean Baptiste]]
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*[[/B/Besozzi, Gaetan|Besozzi, Gaetan]]
*[[/B/Besozzi, Charles|Besozzi, Charles]]
*[[/B/Bessel, A. M. S. E. Von|Bessel, A. M. S. E. Von]]
*[[/B/Besser, T. G|Besser, T. G]]
*[[/B/Besson|Besson]]
*[[/B/Bethisy|Bethisy]]
*[[/B/Betts, Arthur|Betts, Arthur]]
*[[/B/Beuf, Jean Le|Beuf, Jean Le]]
*[[/B/Beurhusius, Friedericus|Beurhusius, Friedericus]]
*[[/B/Beuthner, Johann Heinrich|Beuthner, Johann Heinrich]]
*[[/B/Beutler, Johann Georg Bern-hard|Beutler, Johann Georg Bern-hard]]
*[[/B/Beverini, Francesco|Beverini, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bevin, Elway|Bevin, Elway]]
*[[/B/Beyer|Beyer]]
*[[/B/Beyer, Johann Samuel|Beyer, Johann Samuel]]
*[[/B/Bl a|Bl a]]
*[[/B/Bianca|Bianca]]
*[[/B/Biancardi, Vincenzo|Biancardi, Vincenzo]]
*[[/B/Bianchetta|Bianchetta]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Pietro Antonio|Bianchi, Pietro Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giulio Cesare|Bianchi, Giulio Cesare]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giov|Bianchi, Giov]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Giovanni|Bianchi, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, Antonio|Bianchi, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Blanchi, Francesco|Blanchi, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bianchi, J. M. C|Bianchi, J. M. C]]
*[[/B/Bianciardi, Francesco|Bianciardi, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Biber, Henry John Francis|Biber, Henry John Francis]]
*[[/B/Bideau, Dominique|Bideau, Dominique]]
*[[/B/Biego, Paolo|Biego, Paolo]]
*[[/B/Bi-equal third|Bi-equal third]]
*[[/B/Bierey, Gottlob Benedictus|Bierey, Gottlob Benedictus]]
*[[/B/Biferi, Nicolas|Biferi, Nicolas]]
*[[/B/Biffi, Giuseppe|Biffi, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Biffi, Don Antonio|Biffi, Don Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bigaglia, Don Diogenio|Bigaglia, Don Diogenio]]
*[[/B/Bigatti, Carlo|Bigatti, Carlo]]
*[[/B/Biggs|Biggs]]
*[[/B/Bihler, Franz|Bihler, Franz]]
*[[/B/Bihler, Gregorius|Bihler, Gregorius]]
*[[/B/Billings, William|Billings, William]]
*[[/B/Billington, Elizabeth|Billington, Elizabeth]]
*[[/B/Billington, Thomas|Billington, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bils, Franz|Bils, Franz]]
*[[/B/B in alt|B in alt]]
*[[/B/B in altissimo|B in altissimo]]
*[[/B/Binary|Binary]]
*[[/B/Binchois|Binchois]]
*[[/B/Bind|Bind]]
*[[/B/Binder, August Siegmund|Binder, August Siegmund]]
*[[/B/Bindernagel, Joseph|Bindernagel, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Binding notes|Binding notes]]
*[[/B/Bindung|Bindung]]
*[[/B/Bington, Walter|Bington, Walter]]
*[[/B/Bini Pasqualino|Bini Pasqualino]]
*[[/B/Bion|Bion]]
*[[/B/Bioni, Antonio|Bioni, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Birch, H. W|Birch, H. W]]
*[[/B/Birchensha, John|Birchensha, John]]
*[[/B/Birckenstock, J. A|Birckenstock, J. A]]
*[[/B/Bird, William|Bird, William]]
*[[/B/Birmingham Music Hall|Birmingham Music Hall]]
*[[/B/Bis|Bis]]
*[[/B/Bisdiapason|Bisdiapason]]
*[[/B/Bisinia|Bisinia]]
*[[/B/Bisaccioni|Bisaccioni]]
*[[/B/Biscaccianti, Signora|Biscaccianti, Signora]]
*[[/B/Bisch, Jean|Bisch, Jean]]
*[[/B/Bischoff, Jean Georges|Bischoff, Jean Georges]]
*[[/B/Biscrome|Biscrome]]
*[[/B/Bisciola, Lelio|Bisciola, Lelio]]
*[[/B/Bisgargui|Bisgargui]]
*[[/B/Bishop, John|Bishop, John]]
*[[/B/Bishop, Henry Rowley|Bishop, Henry Rowley]]
*[[/B/Bishop, Anna|Bishop, Anna]]
*[[/B/Bisoni A|Bisoni A]]
*[[/B/Bisset, Catharine|Bisset, Catharine]]
*[[/B/Bisset, Miss Elizabeth|Bisset, Miss Elizabeth]]
*[[/B/Bisson, Louis|Bisson, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bittheuser, F. R|Bittheuser, F. R]]
*[[/B/Bitti, Martini|Bitti, Martini]]
*[[/B/Bitzenberg, Madame|Bitzenberg, Madame]]
*[[/B/Biumi, Giacomo Filippo|Biumi, Giacomo Filippo]]
*[[/B/Bizarro|Bizarro]]
*[[/B/Bizaaro|Bizaaro]]
*[[/B/Blackwell, Isaac|Blackwell, Isaac]]
*[[/B/Blamont, Francois Colin De|Blamont, Francois Colin De]]
*[[/B/Blanc, Didier Le|Blanc, Didier Le]]
*[[/B/Blanc, Hubert Le|Blanc, Hubert Le]]
*[[/B/Blanchard, E. J. A|Blanchard, E. J. A]]
*[[/B/Blanche|Blanche]]
*[[/B/Blanchis, Petrus Antonius|Blanchis, Petrus Antonius]]
*[[/B/Bland, Mrs|Bland, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Blangini, Joseph Marie Felix|Blangini, Joseph Marie Felix]]
*[[/B/Blangini, Mlle|Blangini, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Blankenborg, Quirinus Van|Blankenborg, Quirinus Van]]
*[[/B/Blankenburg, Friedrich Von|Blankenburg, Friedrich Von]]
*[[/B/Blaseblage|Blaseblage]]
*[[/B/Blasis, Francesco Antonio|Blasis, Francesco Antonio]]
*[[/B/Blasius, Mathteu Fredric|Blasius, Mathteu Fredric]]
*[[/B/Blavit, M|Blavit, M]]
*[[/B/Blaviere|Blaviere]]
*[[/B/Blaze, H|Blaze, H]]
*[[/B/Blaze, Francois Henri Joseph Castil|Blaze, Francois Henri Joseph Castil]]
*[[/B/Blein, M|Blein, M]]
*[[/B/Blessing, M|Blessing, M]]
*[[/B/Blewitt Jonathan|Blewitt Jonathan]]
*[[/B/Bleyer, George|Bleyer, George]]
*[[/B/Bliesener, Johann|Bliesener, Johann]]
*[[/B/Blitheman, William|Blitheman, William]]
*[[/B/Blockland|Blockland]]
*[[/B/Blondeau, Aug. Louis|Blondeau, Aug. Louis]]
*[[/B/Blondel|Blondel]]
*[[/B/Blow, John|Blow, John]]
*[[/B/Blum, M. H|Blum, M. H]]
*[[/B/Blum, Carl|Blum, Carl]]
*[[/B/Blyma, F. Xav|Blyma, F. Xav]]
*[[/B/B mol|B mol]]
*[[/B/Boccherini, Luigi|Boccherini, Luigi]]
*[[/B/BOCHSA ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES|BOCHSA, ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES]]
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*[[/B/Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph|Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bodini, Sebastien|Bodini, Sebastien]]
*[[/B/Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius|Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius]]
*[[/B/Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De|Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Theobald|Boehm, Theobald]]
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*[[/B/Boehm, Twan|Boehm, Twan]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Gottfried|Boehm, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Boehmer|Boehmer]]
*[[/B/Boeker, H.|Boeker, H.]]
*[[/B/Boelsche, J.|Boelsche, J.]]
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*[[/B/Boethius, A. M. T. S.|Boethius, A. M. T. S.]]
*[[/B/Boettner, John Christian|Boettner, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bogen|Bogen]]
*[[/B/BogenFührung|Bogenführung]]
*[[/B/Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian|Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian]]
*[[/B/Boieldieu, Francois Adrien|Boieldieu, Francois Adrien]]
*[[/B/Boisgelou, Paul Louis Roualle De,|Boisgelou, Paul Louis Rougalle De,]]


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==Contents==
* [[/Title|Title Page]]
* [[/Copyright|Copyright Page]]
* [[/Preface|Preface]]

===A===
*[[/A/A|A]]
*[[/A/Aanes|Aanes]]
*[[/A/Aaron|Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aaron, Pietro|Aaron, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall|Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Baron|Abaco, Baron]]
*[[/A/Abacus|Abacus]]
*[[/A/Abacus et palmulae|Abacus et palmulae]]
*[[/A/Abacus harmonicus|Abacus harmonicus]]
*[[/A/A ballata|A ballata]]
*[[/A/A battuta|A battuta]]
*[[/A/Abbandone, abbandono, con|Abbandone, abbandono, con]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento|Abbassamento]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di mano|Abbassamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di voce|Abbassamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Abbatini, Antonio Maria|Abbatini, Antonio Maria]]
*[[/A/Abbreviation|Abbreviation]]
*[[/A/Abeille, Louis|Abeille, Louis]]
*[[/A/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]
*[[/A/Abeille|Abeille]]
*[[/A/Abelard, Peter|Abelard, Peter]]
*[[/A/Abel, Leopold Augustus|Abel, Leopold Augustus]]
*[[/A/Abel, Charles Frederic|Abel, Charles Frederic]]
*[[/A/Abell, John|Abell, John]]
*[[/A/Abel, Thomas|Abel, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Abel, Aamor Henry|Abel, Aamor Henry]]
*[[/A/Abel, J. E.|Abel, J. E.]]
*[[/A/Abeltshauser|Abeltshauser]]
*[[/A/A beneplacito|A beneplacito]]
*[[/A/Abilita|Abilita]]
*[[/A/Abingdon, Lord|Abingdon, Lord]]
*[[/A/Abos, Syr|Abos, Syr]]
*[[/A/Abraham|Abraham]]
*[[/A/Abrams, Miss|Abrams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Abridgment|Abridgment]]
*[[/A/Absatz|Absatz]]
*[[/A/Abt, Franz|Abt, Franz]]
*[[/A/Abwechselnd|Abwechselnd]]
*[[/A/Academia musicale|Academia musicale]]
*[[/A/Academie royale|Academie royale]]
*[[/A/Academy|Academy]]
*[[/A/Academy, musical|Academy, musical]]
*[[/A/Academy, royal|Academy, royal]]
*[[/A/Academy of ancient music|Academy of ancient music]]
*[[/A/A capella|A capella]]
*[[/A/A capriccio|A capriccio]]
*[[/A/Acathist js|Acathist js]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevole|Accarezzevole]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevolmento|Accarezzevolmento]]
*[[/A/Accel|Accel]]
*[[/A/Accelerando|Accelerando]]
*[[/A/Accelerato|Accelerato]]
*[[/A/Acceldo|Acceldo]]
*[[/A/Accent|Accent]]
*[[/A/Accented|Accented]]
*[[/A/Accenter|Accenter]]
*[[/A/Accents|Accents]]
*[[/A/Accentuation|Accentuation]]
*[[/A/Accent of notes|Accent of notes]]
*[[/A/Accent of feeling|Accent of feeling]]
*[[/A/Accessory parts|Accessory parts]]
*[[/A/Accessory sounds|Accessory sounds]]
*[[/A/Accessory tones|Accessory tones]]
*[[/A/Acciaccare|Acciaccare]]
*[[/A/Acciaccatura|Acciaccatura]]
*[[/A/Acciajuoli, Filippo|Acciajuoli, Filippo]]
*[[/A/Accidens|Accidens]]
*[[/A/Accidental|Accidental]]
*[[/A/Accidentals|Accidentals]]
*[[/A/Accidental chords|Accidental chords]]
*[[/A/Accidental harmonies|Accidental harmonies]]
*[[/A/Accidental notes|Accidental notes]]
*[[/A/Accolade|Accolade]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment|Accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Accomp|Accomp]]
*[[/A/Accompagnamento|Accompagnamento]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment ad libitum|Accompaniment ad libitum]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment obligato|Accompaniment obligato]]
*[[/A/Accompaniments|Accompaniments]]
*[[/A/Accompanist|Accompanist]]
*[[/A/Accompany|Accompany]]
*[[/A/Accopiate|Accopiate]]
*[[/A/Accordeon|Accordeon]]
*[[/A/Accordando|Accordando]]
*[[/A/Accordare|Accordare]]
*[[/A/Accordatura|Accordatura]]
*[[/A/Accorder|Accorder]]
*[[/A/Accord|Accord]]
*[[/A/Accorimbani, Agostino|Accorimbani, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Accorimboni, Baldassaro|Accorimboni, Baldassaro]]
*[[/A/Accresstmento|Accresstmento]]
*[[/A/Accres|Accres]]
*[[/A/A cembalo|A cembalo]]
*[[/A/Acetabulum|Acetabulum]]
*[[/A/Achtelnote|Achtelnote]]
*[[/A/Ackermann, Madame|Ackermann, Madame]]
*[[/A/Acoemetae|Acoemetae]]
*[[/A/Acolythi|Acolythi]]
*[[/A/Acolythia|Acolythia]]
*[[/A/Acoustics|Acoustics]]
*[[/A/Actor|Actor]]
*[[/A/Acts|Acts]]
*[[/A/Actis, Abbe|Actis, Abbe]]
*[[/A/Act tunes|Act tunes]]
*[[/A/Acumen|Acumen]]
*[[/A/Acute|Acute]]
*[[/A/Acuteness|Acuteness]]
*[[/A/Adagio|Adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio-adagio|Adagio-adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio assai|Adagio assai]]
*[[/A/Adagio cantabile e sostenuto|Adagio cantabile e sostenuto]]
*[[/A/Adagissimo|Adagissimo]]
*[[/A/Adagio patetico|Adagio patetico]]
*[[/A/Adam, Adolph Charles|Adam, Adolph Charles]]
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*[[/A/Antiphone|Antiphone]]
*[[/A/Antiphonizing|Antiphonizing]]
*[[/A/Antiphons|Antiphons]]
*[[/A/Antiphony|Antiphony]]
*[[/A/Antiquis, Giovanni De|Antiquis, Giovanni De]]
*[[/A/Antistrophe|Antistrophe]]
*[[/A/Antisthenes|Antisthenes]]
*[[/A/Antoin, ferdinand d'|Antoin, ferdinand d']]
*[[/A/Antoine, D'|Antoine, D']]
*[[/A/Anton, Conrad Gottlob|Anton, Conrad Gottlob]]
*[[/A/Antonelli Torres|Antonelli Torres]]
*[[/A/Antonellio|Antonellio]]
*[[/A/Antonei, Pietro Degli|Antonei, Pietro Degli]]
*[[/A/Antonio|Antonio]]
*[[/A/Antonio, Dagl' Organi|Antonio, Dagl' Organi]]
*[[/A/Antoniotto|Antoniotto]]
*[[/A/Antonius|Antonius]]
*[[/A/Antonius, J. G|Antonius, J. G]]
*[[/A/Antonius, Marcus|Antonius, Marcus]]
*[[/A/Anzani|Anzani]]
*[[/A/A parte equale|A parte equale]]
*[[/A/Apel, Friedrich August Ferdinand|Apel, Friedrich August Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Apell, David Aaron|Apell, David Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aperto|Aperto]]
*[[/A/A piacere|A piacere]]
*[[/A/A plomb|A plomb]]
*[[/A/Apollo|Apollo]]
*[[/A/Apollino|Apollino]]
*[[/A/Apolloni, Chevalier Giovanni|Apolloni, Chevalier Giovanni]]
*[[/A/Aprili, Giuseppe|Aprili, Giuseppe]]
*[[/A/Apycni|Apycni]]
*[[/A/A quatre mains|A quatre mains]]
*[[/A/A quatro mani|A quatro mani]]
*[[/A/Aquaviva, Andreas Matthaeus|Aquaviva, Andreas Matthaeus]]
*[[/A/Aquino|Aquino]]
*[[/A/Aquino, Joseph|Aquino, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Aquinus|Aquinus]]
*[[/A/Arabian Music|Arabian Music]]
*[[/A/Araja, Francisco|Araja, Francisco]]
*[[/A/Aranda, De Sessa D'|Aranda, De Sessa D']]
*[[/A/Arauo|Arauo]]
*[[/A/Arbeau, Toynot|Arbeau, Toynot]]
*[[/A/Arbitrii|Arbitrii]]
*[[/A/Arbuthnot, Dr|Arbuthnot, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arcadelt, Jacques|Arcadelt, Jacques]]
*[[/A/Arcadians|Arcadians]]
*[[/A/Arcanza, Mlle|Arcanza, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Arcato|Arcato]]
*[[/A/Arch|Arch]]
*[[/A/Archangelus|Archangelus]]
*[[/A/Archenius|Archenius]]
*[[/A/Archestratus|Archestratus]]
*[[/A/Archet|Archet]]
*[[/A/Arch-lute|Arch-lute]]
*[[/A/Archilei, La Vittoria|Archilei, La Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Archilochus|Archilochus]]
*[[/A/Archimedes|Archimedes]]
*[[/A/Archinta, M|Archinta, M]]
*[[/A/Archytas|Archytas]]
*[[/A/Archytas's genera|Archytas's genera]]
*[[/A/Arco|Arco]]
*[[/A/Arcoleo, A|Arcoleo, A]]
*[[/A/Ardalus|Ardalus]]
*[[/A/Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare|Ardemanio, Giulio Cesare]]
*[[/A/Ardespin, Melchior D'|Ardespin, Melchior D']]
*[[/A/Ardito|Ardito]]
*[[/A/Ardore, Marquis De St|Ardore, Marquis De St]]
*[[/A/Arena, Giuseppe|Arena, Giuseppe]]
*[[/A/Aresti, Floriano|Aresti, Floriano]]
*[[/A/Aretin, Guy|Aretin, Guy]]
*[[/A/Aretina, Guido|Aretina, Guido]]
*[[/A/Aretinian syllables|Aretinian syllables]]
*[[/A/Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni|Aretino, Giovanni Apolloni]]
*[[/A/Aretinus, Paolo|Aretinus, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Arevalo, Faustino|Arevalo, Faustino]]
*[[/A/Arezeto, A|Arezeto, A]]
*[[/A/Argenti, Augustin|Argenti, Augustin]]
*[[/A/Argentilly, Carlo D'|Argentilly, Carlo D']]
*[[/A/Argentini, Steffano|Argentini, Steffano]]
*[[/A/Argentini, Cesare|Argentini, Cesare]]
*[[/A/Argives|Argives]]
*[[/A/Argyropilus|Argyropilus]]
*[[/A/Aria|Aria]]
*[[/A/Aria. buffa|Aria. buffa]]
*[[/A/Aria d'abilita|Aria d'abilita]]
*[[/A/Aria concertata|Aria concertata]]
*[[/A/Aria di bravura|Aria di bravura]]
*[[/A/Arla di cantabile|Arla di cantabile]]
*[[/A/Aria fugata|Aria fugata]]
*[[/A/Arianus, Johann L|Arianus, Johann L]]
*[[/A/Aria parlante|Aria parlante]]
*[[/A/Aria tedesca|Aria tedesca]]
*[[/A/Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo|Ariberti, Marquis Giacomo]]
*[[/A/Aribo|Aribo]]
*[[/A/Arie aggiunte|Arie aggiunte]]
*[[/A/Arietta|Arietta]]
*[[/A/Arietta alla veneziana|Arietta alla veneziana]]
*[[/A/Ariettina|Ariettina]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Francesco|Arigoni, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Arigoni, Giov|Arigoni, Giov]]
*[[/A/Arion|Arion]]
*[[/A/Ariose cantate|Ariose cantate]]
*[[/A/Arioso|Arioso]]
*[[/A/Ariosti, Attilio|Ariosti, Attilio]]
*[[/A/Arisi, F|Arisi, F]]
*[[/A/Aristeas|Aristeas]]
*[[/A/Aristides Quintilianus|Aristides Quintilianus]]
*[[/A/Aristocles|Aristocles]]
*[[/A/Aristonicus|Aristonicus]]
*[[/A/Aristonous|Aristonous]]
*[[/A/Aristonymus|Aristonymus]]
*[[/A/Aristophanes|Aristophanes]]
*[[/A/Aristotle|Aristotle]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenu|Aristoxenu]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus|Aristoxenus]]
*[[/A/Aristoxenus's genera|Aristoxenus's genera]]
*[[/A/Arkadelt|Arkadelt]]
*[[/A/Armand, Mesdemoiselles|Armand, Mesdemoiselles]]
*[[/A/Armandolino, Giovanni Battista|Armandolino, Giovanni Battista]]
*[[/A/Armon|Armon]]
*[[/A/Armonia|Armonia]]
*[[/A/Armonica|Armonica]]
*[[/A/Armsdorff, Andreas|Armsdorff, Andreas]]
*[[/A/Armstrong, Sir Richard|Armstrong, Sir Richard]]
*[[/A/Arnaldus|Arnaldus]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, L'abbe|Arnaud, L'abbe]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Pierre|Arnaud, Pierre]]
*[[/A/Arnaud, Madame|Arnaud, Madame]]
*[[/A/Arne, Dr|Arne, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arne, Mrs|Arne, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Arne, Michael|Arne, Michael]]
*[[/A/Arne, Miss|Arne, Miss]]
*[[/A/Arnestus|Arnestus]]
*[[/A/Arnkiel, T|Arnkiel, T]]
*[[/A/Arnold, George|Arnold, George]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ferdinand|Arnold, Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand|Arnold, Ignatius Ferdinand]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Johann Gottfried|Arnold, Johann Gottfried]]
*[[/A/Arnold, Dr|Arnold, Dr]]
*[[/A/Arnold, C|Arnold, C]]
*[[/A/Arnone, Guglielmo|Arnone, Guglielmo]]
*[[/A/Arnould, Sophia|Arnould, Sophia]]
*[[/A/Arnull|Arnull]]
*[[/A/Arnulphus|Arnulphus]]
*[[/A/Aron|Aron]]
*[[/A/Arpa|Arpa]]
*[[/A/Arpa doppia|Arpa doppia]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiato|Arpeggiato]]
*[[/A/Arpeggiatura|Arpeggiatura]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio|Arpeggio]]
*[[/A/Arpeggio accompaniment|Arpeggio accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Arpilcueta|Arpilcueta]]
*[[/A/Arrangement|Arrangement]]
*[[/A/Arrhenius, Laurent|Arrhenius, Laurent]]
*[[/A/Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De|Arriaga, Jean Chrysostome De]]
*[[/A/Arrighi, Pietro Dominico|Arrighi, Pietro Dominico]]
*[[/A/Arrighus, Joan Battista|Arrighus, Joan Battista]]
*[[/A/Arrigo Tedesco|Arrigo Tedesco]]
*[[/A/Arrigoni|Arrigoni]]
*[[/A/Arrobat, Coste D'|Arrobat, Coste D']]
*[[/A/Ars canendi|Ars canendi]]
*[[/A/Ars componendi|Ars componendi]]
*[[/A/Arsis|Arsis]]
*[[/A/Artemanio, G. C|Artemanio, G. C]]
*[[/A/Arthur Aux Couteaux|Arthur Aux Couteaux]]
*[[/A/Articulation|Articulation]]
*[[/A/Articulato|Articulato]]
*[[/A/Artificial|Artificial]]
*[[/A/Artificial compound|Artificial compound]]
*[[/A/Artificial harmony|Artificial harmony]]
*[[/A/Artificial scale|Artificial scale]]
*[[/A/Art of music|Art of music]]
*[[/A/Art of reading from a score|Art of reading from a score]]
*[[/A/Artemira|Artemira]]
*[[/A/Artot, Joseph|Artot, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Arts, Fine|Arts, Fine]]
*[[/A/Artufel, Damianus D'|Artufel, Damianus D']]
*[[/A/Artus|Artus]]
*[[/A/Artusi, Giovanni Maria|Artusi, Giovanni Maria]]
*[[/A/As|As]]
*[[/A/Asaph|Asaph]]
*[[/A/Aschenbrenner, Christian|Aschenbrenner, Christian]]
*[[/A/As dur|As dur]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Andrew|Ashe, Andrew]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Mrs|Ashe, Mrs]]
*[[/A/Ashe, Misses|Ashe, Misses]]
*[[/A/Ashley, General|Ashley, General]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John James|Ashley, John James]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Charles|Ashley, Charles]]
*[[/A/Ashley, Richard|Ashley, Richard]]
*[[/A/Ashley, John|Ashley, John]]
*[[/A/Ashwell, T|Ashwell, T]]
*[[/A/Ashworth|Ashworth]]
*[[/A/As moll|As moll]]
*[[/A/Asperges me|Asperges me]]
*[[/A/Asprezza|Asprezza]]
*[[/A/Assai|Assai]]
*[[/A/Assoluto|Assoluto]]
*[[/A/Asioli, Bonifazio|Asioli, Bonifazio]]
*[[/A/Asola|Asola]]
*[[/A/Asor|Asor]]
*[[/A/Aspelmeyer|Aspelmeyer]]
*[[/A/Aspull, George|Aspull, George]]
*[[/A/Assmayer|Assmayer]]
*[[/A/Assouci, Charles Coypeau D'|Assouci, Charles Coypeau D']]
*[[/A/Assuni|Assuni]]
*[[/A/Astarita, Gennaro|Astarita, Gennaro]]
*[[/A/Aster, David|Aster, David]]
*[[/A/Astier|Astier]]
*[[/A/Aston|Aston]]
*[[/A/Astorga, Baron Emanuele D'|Astorga, Baron Emanuele D']]
*[[/A/Astorga, J. O|Astorga, J. O]]
*[[/A/Astrua, Giovanna|Astrua, Giovanna]]
*[[/A/Asula|Asula]]
*[[/A/A tempo|A tempo]]
*[[/A/A tempo di gavotta|A tempo di gavotta]]
*[[/A/A tempo giusto|A tempo giusto]]
*[[/A/Athanasius|Athanasius]]
*[[/A/Athenaeus|Athenaeus]]
*[[/A/Atherstane|Atherstane]]
*[[/A/A tre|A tre]]
*[[/A/Atis|Atis]]
*[[/A/Attaccato subito|Attaccato subito]]
*[[/A/Attacca, attacca subito|Attacca, attacca subito]]
*[[/A/Attendant keys|Attendant keys]]
*[[/A/Atterbury|Atterbury]]
*[[/A/Attilio|Attilio]]
*[[/A/Atto|Atto]]
*[[/A/Atto di cadenza|Atto di cadenza]]
*[[/A/Attori, attrici|Attori, attrici]]
*[[/A/Attwood, Thomas|Attwood, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Aubade|Aubade]]
*[[/A/Auberlen, S. G|Auberlen, S. G]]
*[[/A/Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit|Auber, Daniel Francois Esprit]]
*[[/A/Aubert|Aubert]]
*[[/A/Aubert, P. F. Olivier|Aubert, P. F. Olivier]]
*[[/A/Auberti|Auberti]]
*[[/A/Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D'|Aubigny Von Engelbronner, Ni-na D']]
*[[/A/Aubin, Madame St|Aubin, Madame St]]
*[[/A/Audace|Audace]]
*[[/A/Audibility Of Sound|Audibility Of Sound]]
*[[/A/Audinot|Audinot]]
*[[/A/Audinot, Mlle|Audinot, Mlle]]
*[[/A/Auenbrugger, F|Auenbrugger, F]]
*[[/A/Aufhaltung|Aufhaltung]]
*[[/A/Aufl|Aufl]]
*[[/A/Auffman, J. A|Auffman, J. A]]
*[[/A/Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton|Auffschnaiter, Benedict Anton]]
*[[/A/Augmentation|Augmentation]]
*[[/A/Augustin|Augustin]]
*[[/A/Augustini, Paolo|Augustini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Augustinus, Aurelius|Augustinus, Aurelius]]
*[[/A/Aulberus|Aulberus]]
*[[/A/Auletta|Auletta]]
*[[/A/Auletes|Auletes]]
*[[/A/Aulnaye, M. De L'|Aulnaye, M. De L']]
*[[/A/Aulus Gellius|Aulus Gellius]]
*[[/A/Aumann, Dietrich Christian|Aumann, Dietrich Christian]]
*[[/A/Aumer|Aumer]]
*[[/A/A una corda|A una corda]]
*[[/A/Aureli, A|Aureli, A]]
*[[/A/Aurelianus Reomensis|Aurelianus Reomensis]]
*[[/A/Aurenhammer, Madame|Aurenhammer, Madame]]
*[[/A/Auriemma|Auriemma]]
*[[/A/Aurisicchio|Aurisicchio]]
*[[/A/Aus|Aus]]
*[[/A/Ausarbeitung|Ausarbeitung]]
*[[/A/Ausdehnung|Ausdehnung]]
*[[/A/Ausdruck|Ausdruck]]
*[[/A/Ausweichung|Ausweichung]]
*[[/A/Autentico|Autentico]]
*[[/A/Authentic|Authentic]]
*[[/A/Authentic melodies|Authentic melodies]]
*[[/A/Authentic modes or tones|Authentic modes or tones]]
*[[/A/Authentic or perfect cadence|Authentic or perfect cadence]]
*[[/A/Automaton|Automaton]]
*[[/A/Autos sacramentales|Autos sacramentales]]
*[[/A/Autreau, J|Autreau, J]]
*[[/A/Auvergne, Antoine D'|Auvergne, Antoine D']]
*[[/A/Auvray, J. B|Auvray, J. B]]
*[[/A/Avantano, P|Avantano, P]]
*[[/A/Avanzolini, Girolamo|Avanzolini, Girolamo]]
*[[/A/Avaux, D'|Avaux, D']]
*[[/A/Avella, Giovanni D'|Avella, Giovanni D']]
*[[/A/Ave maria|Ave maria]]
*[[/A/Avena|Avena]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Johann|Avenarius, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Philippe|Avenarius, Philippe]]
*[[/A/Aventinus, Johannes|Aventinus, Johannes]]
*[[/A/Avertel|Avertel]]
*[[/A/Avia, J|Avia, J]]
*[[/A/Avianus, Johann|Avianus, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avicenna|Avicenna]]
*[[/A/Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be|Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be]]
*[[/A/Avison, Charles|Avison, Charles]]
*[[/A/A vista|A vista]]
*[[/A/Avollo|Avollo]]
*[[/A/Avontano, Pietro|Avontano, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Avosani, Orfeo|Avosani, Orfeo]]
*[[/A/Axamenta|Axamenta]]
*[[/A/Axt, F. S|Axt, F. S]]
*[[/A/Aylward, Theodore|Aylward, Theodore]]
*[[/A/Ayrton, Dr|Ayrton, Dr]]
*[[/A/Azais|Azais]]
*[[/A/Azione sacra|Azione sacra]]
*[[/A/Azopardi, Francesco|Azopardi, Francesco]]

===B===
*[[/B/B|B]]
*[[/B/Babbi, C|Babbi, C]]
*[[/B/Babbi, Gregorio|Babbi, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Babbini, Matteo|Babbini, Matteo]]
*[[/B/Babell, William|Babell, William]]
*[[/B/Babticocchi|Babticocchi]]
*[[/B/B above g gamut|B above g gamut]]
*[[/B/B above the bass clef note|B above the bass clef note]]
*[[/B/B above the treble clef note|B above the treble clef note]]
*[[/B/Bacchius|Bacchius]]
*[[/B/Bacci, Pietro Giacomo|Bacci, Pietro Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Baccusi, Hippolita|Baccusi, Hippolita]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Sebastian|Bach, John Sebastian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel|Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Christian|Bach, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich|Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann|Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann]]
*[[/B/Bach, Cecilia|Bach, Cecilia]]
*[[/B/Bach, Friedrich Ludwig|Bach, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, George Christopher|Bach, George Christopher]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Bernhard|Bach, Johann Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph|Bach, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ernst|Bach, Johann Ernst]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ludwig|Bach, Johann Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Michael|Bach, Johann Michael]]
*[[/B/Bach, Oswald|Bach, Oswald]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm|Bach, Wilhelm]]
*[[/B/Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De|Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De]]
*[[/B/Bachelor of music|Bachelor of music]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Carl Ludwig|Bachmann, Carl Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine|Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Gottlob|Bachmann, Gottlob]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, J|Bachmann, J]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Pater Sixt|Bachmann, Pater Sixt]]
*[[/B/Bachschmidt|Bachschmidt]]
*[[/B/Bacilly, B|Bacilly, B]]
*[[/B/Backofen, J. G. H|Backofen, J. G. H]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Ernst|Backofen, Ernst]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Gottfried|Backofen, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Badia, Carlo Agostino|Badia, Carlo Agostino]]
*[[/B/Badinage|Badinage]]
*[[/B/Badonini|Badonini]]
*[[/B/Baehr, Joseph|Baehr, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Baeumel|Baeumel]]
*[[/B/Baeumer, Friedrich|Baeumer, Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bagatella, Antonio|Bagatella, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bagatti Francesco|Bagatti Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De|Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Francois|Baglioni, Francois]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Louis|Baglioni, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bagpipe|Bagpipe]]
*[[/B/Bahidt|Bahidt]]
*[[/B/Bahn, T. G|Bahn, T. G]]
*[[/B/Baif, John Antony De|Baif, John Antony De]]
*[[/B/Baildon|Baildon]]
*[[/B/Bailey, Anselm|Bailey, Anselm]]
*[[/B/Baillon, P|Baillon, P]]
*[[/B/Baillot, Pierre|Baillot, Pierre]]
*[[/B/Baillou, Luigi|Baillou, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Bailly, M|Bailly, M]]
*[[/B/Baini, Lorenzo|Baini, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bainville|Bainville]]
*[[/B/Baker, Dr|Baker, Dr]]
*[[/B/Balarini|Balarini]]
*[[/B/Balbatre, Claude|Balbatre, Claude]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Lorenzo|Balbi, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ignatius|Balbi, Ignatius]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ludovico|Balbi, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Baldacini, Antonio Luigi|Baldacini, Antonio Luigi]]
*[[/B/Baldan|Baldan]]
*[[/B/Baldeneker, U|Baldeneker, U]]
*[[/B/Baldi|Baldi]]
*[[/B/Balducci|Balducci]]
*[[/B/Balestra, R|Balestra, R]]
*[[/B/Baletti, Riccob|Baletti, Riccob]]
*[[/B/Ballabene, Gregorio|Ballabene, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Ballad|Ballad]]
*[[/B/Ballad singer|Ballad singer]]
*[[/B/Ballad style|Ballad style]]
*[[/B/Ballare|Ballare]]
*[[/B/Ballata|Ballata]]
*[[/B/Balino|Balino]]
*[[/B/Ballarotti|Ballarotti]]
*[[/B/Balletti, Mademoiselle|Balletti, Mademoiselle]]
*[[/B/Ballet|Ballet]]
*[[/B/Balletto|Balletto]]
*[[/B/Ballet master|Ballet master]]
*[[/B/Balli|Balli]]
*[[/B/Ballicourt|Ballicourt]]
*[[/B/Balliere, C. L. D|Balliere, C. L. D]]
*[[/B/Ballo|Ballo]]
*[[/B/Balfe|Balfe]]
*[[/B/Baltazarini|Baltazarini]]
*[[/B/Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy|Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy]]
*[[/B/Baltzar, Thomas|Baltzar, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Balvansky|Balvansky]]
*[[/B/Balziani, Leonardo|Balziani, Leonardo]]
*[[/B/Bamberger, Madame|Bamberger, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bambini, F|Bambini, F]]
*[[/B/Banchieri, Ariano|Banchieri, Ariano]]
*[[/B/Banczakewic|Banczakewic]]
*[[/B/Band|Band]]
*[[/B/Banderali|Banderali]]
*[[/B/Bandini, Angelo Maria|Bandini, Angelo Maria]]
*[[/B/Band ore|Band ore]]
*[[/B/Banester, G|Banester, G]]
*[[/B/Banister, John|Banister, John]]
*[[/B/Banister, Charles|Banister, Charles]]
*[[/B/Banister, H. J|Banister, H. J]]
*[[/B/Banjo|Banjo]]
*[[/B/Bank, J. C. H|Bank, J. C. H]]
*[[/B/Bankhart|Bankhart]]
*[[/B/Banneux|Banneux]]
*[[/B/Bannus, John Albertus|Bannus, John Albertus]]
*[[/B/Banti, Brigada Georgi|Banti, Brigada Georgi]]
*[[/B/Banwart, Jacob|Banwart, Jacob]]
*[[/B/Baptista, Fr|Baptista, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, John|Baptiste, John]]
*[[/B/Baptiste|Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, Ludwig Alb|Baptiste, Ludwig Alb]]
*[[/B/Baptistin|Baptistin]]
*[[/B/Bar|Bar]]
*[[/B/Baranelli|Baranelli]]
*[[/B/Baranius, Henrietta|Baranius, Henrietta]]
*[[/B/Baravicini, Madame|Baravicini, Madame]]
*[[/B/Barba, Daniel|Barba, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Barbant, Charles|Barbant, Charles]]
*[[/B/Barbarino, Bartolomeo|Barbarino, Bartolomeo]]
*[[/B/Barbarism|Barbarism]]
*[[/B/Barbarous|Barbarous]]
*[[/B/Barbella, Emanuele|Barbella, Emanuele]]
*[[/B/Barber|Barber]]
*[[/B/Barbici|Barbici]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Madame Walbonne|Barbier, Madame Walbonne]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Mrs|Barbier, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barbiere|Barbiere]]
*[[/B/Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo|Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo]]
*[[/B/Barbud|Barbud]]
*[[/B/Barca, Don Alessandro|Barca, Don Alessandro]]
*[[/B/Barcarolles, barcorelles|Barcarolles, barcorelles]]
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*[[/B/Bleyer, George|Bleyer, George]]
*[[/B/Bliesener, Johann|Bliesener, Johann]]
*[[/B/Blitheman, William|Blitheman, William]]
*[[/B/Blockland|Blockland]]
*[[/B/Blondeau, Aug. Louis|Blondeau, Aug. Louis]]
*[[/B/Blondel|Blondel]]
*[[/B/Blow, John|Blow, John]]
*[[/B/Blum, M. H|Blum, M. H]]
*[[/B/Blum, Carl|Blum, Carl]]
*[[/B/Blyma, F. Xav|Blyma, F. Xav]]
*[[/B/B mol|B mol]]
*[[/B/Boccherini, Luigi|Boccherini, Luigi]]
*[[/B/BOCHSA ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES|BOCHSA, ROBERT NICHOLAS CHARLES]]
*[[Bode, Johann Joachim Christoph|Bode, Johann Joachim Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph|Bodenburg, Joachim Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bodini, Sebastien|Bodini, Sebastien]]
*[[/B/Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius|Boeck, Antoine and Ignacius]]
*[[/B/Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De|Boecklin, Francois Frederic Sigismund Auguste, Baron De]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Theobald|Boehm, Theobald]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Johann|Boehm, Johann]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Twan|Boehm, Twan]]
*[[/B/Boehm, Gottfried|Boehm, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Boehmer|Boehmer]]
*[[/B/Boeker, H.|Boeker, H.]]
*[[/B/Boelsche, J.|Boelsche, J.]]
*[[/B/Boesenhoenig, Josepha|Boesenhoenig Josepha]]
*[[/B/Boesset, Jean Baptiste|Boesset, Jean Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Boethius, A. M. T. S.|Boethius, A. M. T. S.]]
*[[/B/Boettner, John Christian|Boettner, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bogen|Bogen]]
*[[/B/BogenFührung|Bogenführung]]
*[[/B/Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian|Bohrer, Anthony and Maximillian]]
*[[/B/Boieldieu, Francois Adrien|Boieldieu, Francois Adrien]]
*[[/B/Boisgelou, Paul Louis Roualle De,|Boisgelou, Paul Louis Rougalle De,]]


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 | title    = Complete Encyclopaedia of Music
 | author   = John Weeks Moore
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 | year = 1880
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==Contents==
* [[/Title|Title Page]]
* [[/Copyright|Copyright Page]]
* [[/Preface|Preface]]

===A===
*[[/A/A|A]]
*[[/A/Aanes|Aanes]]
*[[/A/Aaron|Aaron]]
*[[/A/Aaron, Pietro|Aaron, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall|Abaco, Evaristo Felice Dall]]
*[[/A/Abaco, Baron|Abaco, Baron]]
*[[/A/Abacus|Abacus]]
*[[/A/Abacus et palmulae|Abacus et palmulae]]
*[[/A/Abacus harmonicus|Abacus harmonicus]]
*[[/A/A ballata|A ballata]]
*[[/A/A battuta|A battuta]]
*[[/A/Abbandone, abbandono, con|Abbandone, abbandono, con]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento|Abbassamento]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di mano|Abbassamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Abbassamento di voce|Abbassamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Abbatini, Antonio Maria|Abbatini, Antonio Maria]]
*[[/A/Abbreviation|Abbreviation]]
*[[/A/Abeille, Louis|Abeille, Louis]]
*[[/A/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]
*[[/A/Abeille|Abeille]]
*[[/A/Abelard, Peter|Abelard, Peter]]
*[[/A/Abel, Leopold Augustus|Abel, Leopold Augustus]]
*[[/A/Abel, Charles Frederic|Abel, Charles Frederic]]
*[[/A/Abell, John|Abell, John]]
*[[/A/Abel, Thomas|Abel, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Abel, Aamor Henry|Abel, Aamor Henry]]
*[[/A/Abel, J. E.|Abel, J. E.]]
*[[/A/Abeltshauser|Abeltshauser]]
*[[/A/A beneplacito|A beneplacito]]
*[[/A/Abilita|Abilita]]
*[[/A/Abingdon, Lord|Abingdon, Lord]]
*[[/A/Abos, Syr|Abos, Syr]]
*[[/A/Abraham|Abraham]]
*[[/A/Abrams, Miss|Abrams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Abridgment|Abridgment]]
*[[/A/Absatz|Absatz]]
*[[/A/Abt, Franz|Abt, Franz]]
*[[/A/Abwechselnd|Abwechselnd]]
*[[/A/Academia musicale|Academia musicale]]
*[[/A/Academie royale|Academie royale]]
*[[/A/Academy|Academy]]
*[[/A/Academy, musical|Academy, musical]]
*[[/A/Academy, royal|Academy, royal]]
*[[/A/Academy of ancient music|Academy of ancient music]]
*[[/A/A capella|A capella]]
*[[/A/A capriccio|A capriccio]]
*[[/A/Acathist js|Acathist js]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevole|Accarezzevole]]
*[[/A/Accarezzevolmento|Accarezzevolmento]]
*[[/A/Accel|Accel]]
*[[/A/Accelerando|Accelerando]]
*[[/A/Accelerato|Accelerato]]
*[[/A/Acceldo|Acceldo]]
*[[/A/Accent|Accent]]
*[[/A/Accented|Accented]]
*[[/A/Accenter|Accenter]]
*[[/A/Accents|Accents]]
*[[/A/Accentuation|Accentuation]]
*[[/A/Accent of notes|Accent of notes]]
*[[/A/Accent of feeling|Accent of feeling]]
*[[/A/Accessory parts|Accessory parts]]
*[[/A/Accessory sounds|Accessory sounds]]
*[[/A/Accessory tones|Accessory tones]]
*[[/A/Acciaccare|Acciaccare]]
*[[/A/Acciaccatura|Acciaccatura]]
*[[/A/Acciajuoli, Filippo|Acciajuoli, Filippo]]
*[[/A/Accidens|Accidens]]
*[[/A/Accidental|Accidental]]
*[[/A/Accidentals|Accidentals]]
*[[/A/Accidental chords|Accidental chords]]
*[[/A/Accidental harmonies|Accidental harmonies]]
*[[/A/Accidental notes|Accidental notes]]
*[[/A/Accolade|Accolade]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment|Accompaniment]]
*[[/A/Accomp|Accomp]]
*[[/A/Accompagnamento|Accompagnamento]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment ad libitum|Accompaniment ad libitum]]
*[[/A/Accompaniment obligato|Accompaniment obligato]]
*[[/A/Accompaniments|Accompaniments]]
*[[/A/Accompanist|Accompanist]]
*[[/A/Accompany|Accompany]]
*[[/A/Accopiate|Accopiate]]
*[[/A/Accordeon|Accordeon]]
*[[/A/Accordando|Accordando]]
*[[/A/Accordare|Accordare]]
*[[/A/Accordatura|Accordatura]]
*[[/A/Accorder|Accorder]]
*[[/A/Accord|Accord]]
*[[/A/Accorimbani, Agostino|Accorimbani, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Accorimboni, Baldassaro|Accorimboni, Baldassaro]]
*[[/A/Accresstmento|Accresstmento]]
*[[/A/Accres|Accres]]
*[[/A/A cembalo|A cembalo]]
*[[/A/Acetabulum|Acetabulum]]
*[[/A/Achtelnote|Achtelnote]]
*[[/A/Ackermann, Madame|Ackermann, Madame]]
*[[/A/Acoemetae|Acoemetae]]
*[[/A/Acolythi|Acolythi]]
*[[/A/Acolythia|Acolythia]]
*[[/A/Acoustics|Acoustics]]
*[[/A/Actor|Actor]]
*[[/A/Acts|Acts]]
*[[/A/Actis, Abbe|Actis, Abbe]]
*[[/A/Act tunes|Act tunes]]
*[[/A/Acumen|Acumen]]
*[[/A/Acute|Acute]]
*[[/A/Acuteness|Acuteness]]
*[[/A/Adagio|Adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio-adagio|Adagio-adagio]]
*[[/A/Adagio assai|Adagio assai]]
*[[/A/Adagio cantabile e sostenuto|Adagio cantabile e sostenuto]]
*[[/A/Adagissimo|Adagissimo]]
*[[/A/Adagio patetico|Adagio patetico]]
*[[/A/Adam, Adolph Charles|Adam, Adolph Charles]]
*[[/A/Adam De Fulda|Adam De Fulda]]
*[[/A/Adam, D. Vicente|Adam, D. Vicente]]
*[[/A/Adam, Louis|Adam, Louis]]
*[[/A/Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea|Adami Da Bolsena, Andrea]]
*[[/A/Adami Ern Est, Daniel|Adami Ern Est, Daniel]]
*[[/A/Adams, Miss|Adams, Miss]]
*[[/A/Adamus, Dorensis|Adamus, Dorensis]]
*[[/A/Adasio|Adasio]]
*[[/A/Adcock, Abraham|Adcock, Abraham]]
*[[/A/Adcock, James|Adcock, James]]
*[[/A/Added lines|Added lines]]
*[[/A/Added sixth|Added sixth]]
*[[/A/Addimari, Luigi|Addimari, Luigi]]
*[[/A/Addison, John|Addison, John]]
*[[/A/Addition|Addition]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, lyre|Aeolian harp, lyre]]
*[[/A/Aeolian harp, natural one|Aeolian harp, natural one]]
*[[/A/Aeolian attachment|Aeolian attachment]]
*[[/A/Aeolodicon|Aeolodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolomelodicon|Aeolomelodicon]]
*[[/A/Aeolopantalon|Aeolopantalon]]
*[[/A/Aeolus' harp|Aeolus' harp]]
*[[/A/Aequisonant|Aequisonant]]
*[[/A/Aequivagans|Aequivagans]]
*[[/A/Aesthetics|Aesthetics]]
*[[/A/Affabile|Affabile]]
*[[/A/Affetto|Affetto]]
*[[/A/Affettuoso|Affettuoso]]
*[[/A/Affettuosissimo|Affettuosissimo]]
*[[/A/Affilard|Affilard]]
*[[/A/Affinity|Affinity]]
*[[/A/Afflizione|Afflizione]]
*[[/A/A flat|A flat]]
*[[/A/A flat, major|A flat, major]]
*[[/A/Affrettando, affrettate|Affrettando, affrettate]]
*[[/A/Afranio|Afranio]]
*[[/A/After notes|After notes]]
*[[/A/Agathon|Agathon]]
*[[/A/Agazzari, Augustino|Agazzari, Augustino]]
*[[/A/Agazzi|Agazzi]]
*[[/A/Agelaus|Agelaus]]
*[[/A/Aghte, F. W|Aghte, F. W]]
*[[/A/Agia|Agia]]
*[[/A/Agilita|Agilita]]
*[[/A/Agitato|Agitato]]
*[[/A/Agitato allegro|Agitato allegro]]
*[[/A/Agitato un poco|Agitato un poco]]
*[[/A/Agnelli, Lorenzo|Agnelli, Lorenzo]]
*[[/A/Agnesi, Maria Teresa|Agnesi, Maria Teresa]]
*[[/A/Agnus dei|Agnus dei]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Ludovico|Agostini, Ludovico]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Paolo|Agostini, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Pietro Simone|Agostini, Pietro Simone]]
*[[/A/Agostini, Rosa|Agostini, Rosa]]
*[[/A/Agoge|Agoge]]
*[[/A/A grand choeur|A grand choeur]]
*[[/A/A grand orchestra|A grand orchestra]]
*[[/A/Agrell, John|Agrell, John]]
*[[/A/Agresta, Agostino|Agresta, Agostino]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Frederic Henry|Agricola, Frederic Henry]]
*[[/A/Agricola, George Lewis|Agricola, George Lewis]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John|Agricola, John]]
*[[/A/Agricola, John Frederic|Agricola, John Frederic]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martinus|Agricola, Martinus]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni|Agricola, Benedetta Emilia Molteni]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Rodolph|Agricola, Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Agricola, Martin|Agricola, Martin]]
*[[/A/Agrippa|Agrippa]]
*[[/A/Agrippa, H. C|Agrippa, H. C]]
*[[/A/Agthe, C. C|Agthe, C. C]]
*[[/A/Agujari, Lucrezia|Agujari, Lucrezia]]
*[[/A/Aguilera, Sebastian De|Aguilera, Sebastian De]]
*[[/A/Agus|Agus]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John George|Ahle, John George]]
*[[/A/Ahle, John Rodolph|Ahle, John Rodolph]]
*[[/A/Ahlstrom, Ol|Ahlstrom, Ol]]
*[[/A/Ahnesorgen, C. G|Ahnesorgen, C. G]]
*[[/A/Aiblinger|Aiblinger]]
*[[/A/Aich, G|Aich, G]]
*[[/A/Aichinger, G|Aichinger, G]]
*[[/A/Aignan|Aignan]]
*[[/A/Aigner, Engelberto|Aigner, Engelberto]]
*[[/A/Aiguino, Bresciano|Aiguino, Bresciano]]
*[[/A/A in alt|A in alt]]
*[[/A/A in altissimo|A in altissimo]]
*[[/A/Aimon, P. L. F|Aimon, P. L. F]]
*[[/A/Aiolla, Francesco|Aiolla, Francesco]]
*[[/A/Air|Air]]
*[[/A/Air varie|Air varie]]
*[[/A/Ais|Ais]]
*[[/A/Akeroyd, S|Akeroyd, S]]
*[[/A/Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai|Al, all', alla, alle, allo, ai]]
*[[/A/A-la-mi-re|A-la-mi-re]]
*[[/A/A la grec|A la grec]]
*[[/A/A la polacca|A la polacca]]
*[[/A/Ala, G. B|Ala, G. B]]
*[[/A/Alanus ab insulis|Alanus ab insulis]]
*[[/A/Alardus, L|Alardus, L]]
*[[/A/Alarius|Alarius]]
*[[/A/Albaneze|Albaneze]]
*[[/A/Albani, Matthias|Albani, Matthias]]
*[[/A/Albano|Albano]]
*[[/A/Albarini|Albarini]]
*[[/A/Albergante, H. S|Albergante, H. S]]
*[[/A/Albergati, P. C|Albergati, P. C]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, Paolo|Alberghi, Paolo]]
*[[/A/Alberghi, I|Alberghi, I]]
*[[/A/Alberici, G|Alberici, G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, L|Alberici, L]]
*[[/A/Alberici, P. G|Alberici, P. G]]
*[[/A/Alberici, v|Alberici, v]]
*[[/A/Albericus|Albericus]]
*[[/A/Albers, F. B|Albers, F. B]]
*[[/A/Albert|Albert]]
*[[/A/Albert, Madame|Albert, Madame]]
*[[/A/Albert, Henry|Albert, Henry]]
*[[/A/Albert, Prince|Albert, Prince]]
*[[/A/Alberti|Alberti]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Dominico|Alberti, Dominico]]
*[[/A/Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo|Alberti, Giuseppe Matteo]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J|Alberti, J]]
*[[/A/Alberti, J. F|Alberti, J. F]]
*[[/A/Alberti, P|Alberti, P]]
*[[/A/Albertini, F|Albertini, F]]
*[[/A/Albertini, Joachim|Albertini, Joachim]]
*[[/A/Albertini, I|Albertini, I]]
*[[/A/Albertus Magnus|Albertus Magnus]]
*[[/A/Albertus, Venetus|Albertus, Venetus]]
*[[/A/Albicastro, H|Albicastro, H]]
*[[/A/Albini, V|Albini, V]]
*[[/A/Albinoni, Thomas|Albinoni, Thomas]]
*[[/A/Albioso, M|Albioso, M]]
*[[/A/Albizzi Tagliamochi, B|Albizzi Tagliamochi, B]]
*[[/A/Albonesio, A. T|Albonesio, A. T]]
*[[/A/Alboni, Marietta|Alboni, Marietta]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. L|Albrecht, J. L]]
*[[/A/Albrecht, J. M|Albrecht, J. M]]
*[[/A/Albrechtsberger, John George|Albrechtsberger, John George]]
*[[/A/Albrici, V|Albrici, V]]
*[[/A/Albujio|Albujio]]
*[[/A/Alcaeus|Alcaeus]]
*[[/A/Alcibiades|Alcibiades]]
*[[/A/Alcock, John|Alcock, John]]
*[[/A/Allday, P|Allday, P]]
*[[/A/Alderinus, Cosma|Alderinus, Cosma]]
*[[/A/Aldovandrini|Aldovandrini]]
*[[/A/Aldrich, Rev|Aldrich, Rev]]
*[[/A/Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico|Aldrighetti, Antonio Lodovico]]
*[[/A/Aldrovandini|Aldrovandini]]
*[[/A/Aleman|Aleman]]
*[[/A/Alembert, Jean Le Rond D'|Alembert, Jean Le Rond D']]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta|Aleotti, Rafaele Argenta]]
*[[/A/Aleotti, Vittoria|Aleotti, Vittoria]]
*[[/A/Alessandri, Felice|Alessandri, Felice]]
*[[/A/Alessandro, Romano|Alessandro, Romano]]
*[[/A/Alexander, J|Alexander, J]]
*[[/A/Alexander Ab Alexandro|Alexander Ab Alexandro]]
*[[/A/Alexander, Symphoniarcha|Alexander, Symphoniarcha]]
*[[/A/Alexander|Alexander]]
*[[/A/Alexander The Great|Alexander The Great]]
*[[/A/Alexandre, C. G|Alexandre, C. G]]
*[[/A/Alfieri|Alfieri]]
*[[/A/Algarotti, Count Francesco|Algarotti, Count Francesco]]
*[[/A/Algisi|Algisi]]
*[[/A/Alix|Alix]]
*[[/A/Aliquot tones|Aliquot tones]]
*[[/A/All' antica|All' antica]]
*[[/A/Alla breve|Alla breve]]
*[[/A/Alla caccia|Alla caccia]]
*[[/A/Alla capella|Alla capella]]
*[[/A/Alla madre|Alla madre]]
*[[/A/Alla marcia|Alla marcia]]
*[[/A/Alla moderna|Alla moderna]]
*[[/A/Alla scozzese|Alla scozzese]]
*[[/A/Alla siciliana|Alla siciliana]]
*[[/A/Alla turca|Alla turca]]
*[[/A/Alla veneziana|Alla veneziana]]
*[[/A/Alla zoppa|Alla zoppa]]
*[[/A/Allan, Madame Caradori|Allan, Madame Caradori]]
*[[/A/Allatius|Allatius]]
*[[/A/Allegramente|Allegramente]]
*[[/A/Allegranti, Maddalena|Allegranti, Maddalena]]
*[[/A/Allegretto|Allegretto]]
*[[/A/Allegretto scherzando|Allegretto scherzando]]
*[[/A/Allegri, Giovanni Battista|Allegri, Giovanni Battista]]
*[[/A/Allegri, Gregorio|Allegri, Gregorio]]
*[[/A/Allegri di bravura|Allegri di bravura]]
*[[/A/Allegrla|Allegrla]]
*[[/A/Allegro|Allegro]]
*[[/A/Allegro assai|Allegro assai]]
*[[/A/Allegro con brio|Allegro con brio]]
*[[/A/Allegro con fuoco|Allegro con fuoco]]
*[[/A/Allegro con moto|Allegro con moto]]
*[[/A/Allegro con spirito|Allegro con spirito]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma grazioso|Allegro ma grazioso]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma non presto|Allegro ma non presto]]
*[[/A/Allegro ma non troppo|Allegro ma non troppo]]
*[[/A/Allegro molto|Allegro molto]]
*[[/A/Allegro non molto|Allegro non molto]]
*[[/A/Allegro veloce|Allegro veloce]]
*[[/A/Allegro vivace|Allegro vivace]]
*[[/A/Allegro vivo|Allegro vivo]]
*[[/A/Allegrissimo|Allegrissimo]]
*[[/A/Alleluiah|Alleluiah]]
*[[/A/Allemande|Allemande]]
*[[/A/Allentando|Allentando]]
*[[/A/Allison, Richard|Allison, Richard]]
*[[/A/All' improvista|All' improvista]]
*[[/A/A l'italienne|A l'italienne]]
*[[/A/Al loco|Al loco]]
*[[/A/All' ottava|All' ottava]]
*[[/A/All' roversico|All' roversico]]
*[[/A/All segno|All segno]]
*[[/A/All' unisono|All' unisono]]
*[[/A/Allwoode|Allwoode]]
*[[/A/Alma redemptoris|Alma redemptoris]]
*[[/A/Almeida, Antonio Be|Almeida, Antonio Be]]
*[[/A/Almeida, Mando Be|Almeida, Mando Be]]
*[[/A/Almeida|Almeida]]
*[[/A/Almeloveen, Theodore Jansson Ab|Almeloveen, Theodore Jansson Ab]]
*[[/A/Almenraeder|Almenraeder]]
*[[/A/Almerighi De Rimeno, J|Almerighi De Rimeno, J]]
*[[/A/Almeyda, C. F|Almeyda, C. F]]
*[[/A/Alouette, N|Alouette, N]]
*[[/A/Alovisio, G. B|Alovisio, G. B]]
*[[/A/Aloysius, John Battista|Aloysius, John Battista]]
*[[/A/Aloysius, join petr|Aloysius, join petr]]
*[[/A/Alphabet|Alphabet]]
*[[/A/Alpine Horn|Alpine Horn]]
*[[/A/Alsted|Alsted]]
*[[/A/Alt, Philippe Samuel|Alt, Philippe Samuel]]
*[[/A/Alt|Alt]]
*[[/A/Alta|Alta]]
*[[/A/Alterata|Alterata]]
*[[/A/Alterations in ancient psalmody|Alterations in ancient psalmody]]
*[[/A/Altered triads|Altered triads]]
*[[/A/Altered notes|Altered notes]]
*[[/A/Alternamente|Alternamente]]
*[[/A/Altenburg, Michael|Altenburg, Michael]]
*[[/A/Altist|Altist]]
*[[/A/Altissimo|Altissimo]]
*[[/A/Altitonans, altisonant|Altitonans, altisonant]]
*[[/A/Altmann|Altmann]]
*[[/A/Alto|Alto]]
*[[/A/Alto, altus|Alto, altus]]
*[[/A/Alto clef|Alto clef]]
*[[/A/Alto concertante|Alto concertante]]
*[[/A/Alto flauto|Alto flauto]]
*[[/A/Alto octavo|Alto octavo]]
*[[/A/Alto primo|Alto primo]]
*[[/A/Alto ripieno|Alto ripieno]]
*[[/A/Alto secondo|Alto secondo]]
*[[/A/Alto viola|Alto viola]]
*[[/A/Altro, altra|Altro, altra]]
*[[/A/Alueri|Alueri]]
*[[/A/Alvimare, P. A|Alvimare, P. A]]
*[[/A/Alipius|Alipius]]
*[[/A/Alzamento di mano|Alzamento di mano]]
*[[/A/Alzamento di voce|Alzamento di voce]]
*[[/A/Amabile|Amabile]]
*[[/A/Amade, Count Thade D'|Amade, Count Thade D']]
*[[/A/Amedei|Amedei]]
*[[/A/Amadio, Car|Amadio, Car]]
*[[/A/Amadio, Pippo|Amadio, Pippo]]
*[[/A/Amadori, Joseph|Amadori, Joseph]]
*[[/A/Amadri, Michael Angelo|Amadri, Michael Angelo]]
*[[/A/Amaducci, Donato|Amaducci, Donato]]
*[[/A/A major|A major]]
*[[/A/Amalarius, Symphosius|Amalarius, Symphosius]]
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*[[/A/Avantano, P|Avantano, P]]
*[[/A/Avanzolini, Girolamo|Avanzolini, Girolamo]]
*[[/A/Avaux, D'|Avaux, D']]
*[[/A/Avella, Giovanni D'|Avella, Giovanni D']]
*[[/A/Ave maria|Ave maria]]
*[[/A/Avena|Avena]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Johann|Avenarius, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avenarius, Philippe|Avenarius, Philippe]]
*[[/A/Aventinus, Johannes|Aventinus, Johannes]]
*[[/A/Avertel|Avertel]]
*[[/A/Avia, J|Avia, J]]
*[[/A/Avianus, Johann|Avianus, Johann]]
*[[/A/Avicenna|Avicenna]]
*[[/A/Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be|Aviles, Manuel Leitam Be]]
*[[/A/Avison, Charles|Avison, Charles]]
*[[/A/A vista|A vista]]
*[[/A/Avollo|Avollo]]
*[[/A/Avontano, Pietro|Avontano, Pietro]]
*[[/A/Avosani, Orfeo|Avosani, Orfeo]]
*[[/A/Axamenta|Axamenta]]
*[[/A/Axt, F. S|Axt, F. S]]
*[[/A/Aylward, Theodore|Aylward, Theodore]]
*[[/A/Ayrton, Dr|Ayrton, Dr]]
*[[/A/Azais|Azais]]
*[[/A/Azione sacra|Azione sacra]]
*[[/A/Azopardi, Francesco|Azopardi, Francesco]]

===B===
*[[/B/B|B]]
*[[/B/Babbi, C|Babbi, C]]
*[[/B/Babbi, Gregorio|Babbi, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Babbini, Matteo|Babbini, Matteo]]
*[[/B/Babell, William|Babell, William]]
*[[/B/Babticocchi|Babticocchi]]
*[[/B/B above g gamut|B above g gamut]]
*[[/B/B above the bass clef note|B above the bass clef note]]
*[[/B/B above the treble clef note|B above the treble clef note]]
*[[/B/Bacchius|Bacchius]]
*[[/B/Bacci, Pietro Giacomo|Bacci, Pietro Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Baccusi, Hippolita|Baccusi, Hippolita]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Sebastian|Bach, John Sebastian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel|Bach, Carl Philipp Emmanuel]]
*[[/B/Bach, John Christian|Bach, John Christian]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich|Bach, Johann Christoph Fried-rich]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann|Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann]]
*[[/B/Bach, Cecilia|Bach, Cecilia]]
*[[/B/Bach, Friedrich Ludwig|Bach, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, George Christopher|Bach, George Christopher]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Bernhard|Bach, Johann Bernhard]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Christoph|Bach, Johann Christoph]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ernst|Bach, Johann Ernst]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Ludwig|Bach, Johann Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bach, Johann Michael|Bach, Johann Michael]]
*[[/B/Bach, Oswald|Bach, Oswald]]
*[[/B/Bach, Wilhelm|Bach, Wilhelm]]
*[[/B/Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De|Bachaumont, Louis Pierre De]]
*[[/B/Bachelor of music|Bachelor of music]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Carl Ludwig|Bachmann, Carl Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine|Bachmann, Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Gottlob|Bachmann, Gottlob]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, J|Bachmann, J]]
*[[/B/Bachmann, Pater Sixt|Bachmann, Pater Sixt]]
*[[/B/Bachschmidt|Bachschmidt]]
*[[/B/Bacilly, B|Bacilly, B]]
*[[/B/Backofen, J. G. H|Backofen, J. G. H]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Ernst|Backofen, Ernst]]
*[[/B/Backofen, Gottfried|Backofen, Gottfried]]
*[[/B/Badia, Carlo Agostino|Badia, Carlo Agostino]]
*[[/B/Badinage|Badinage]]
*[[/B/Badonini|Badonini]]
*[[/B/Baehr, Joseph|Baehr, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Baeumel|Baeumel]]
*[[/B/Baeumer, Friedrich|Baeumer, Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bagatella, Antonio|Bagatella, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Bagatti Francesco|Bagatti Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De|Bagge, Baron C. Ernest De]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Francois|Baglioni, Francois]]
*[[/B/Baglioni, Louis|Baglioni, Louis]]
*[[/B/Bagpipe|Bagpipe]]
*[[/B/Bahidt|Bahidt]]
*[[/B/Bahn, T. G|Bahn, T. G]]
*[[/B/Baif, John Antony De|Baif, John Antony De]]
*[[/B/Baildon|Baildon]]
*[[/B/Bailey, Anselm|Bailey, Anselm]]
*[[/B/Baillon, P|Baillon, P]]
*[[/B/Baillot, Pierre|Baillot, Pierre]]
*[[/B/Baillou, Luigi|Baillou, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Bailly, M|Bailly, M]]
*[[/B/Baini, Lorenzo|Baini, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bainville|Bainville]]
*[[/B/Baker, Dr|Baker, Dr]]
*[[/B/Balarini|Balarini]]
*[[/B/Balbatre, Claude|Balbatre, Claude]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Lorenzo|Balbi, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ignatius|Balbi, Ignatius]]
*[[/B/Balbi, Ludovico|Balbi, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Baldacini, Antonio Luigi|Baldacini, Antonio Luigi]]
*[[/B/Baldan|Baldan]]
*[[/B/Baldeneker, U|Baldeneker, U]]
*[[/B/Baldi|Baldi]]
*[[/B/Balducci|Balducci]]
*[[/B/Balestra, R|Balestra, R]]
*[[/B/Baletti, Riccob|Baletti, Riccob]]
*[[/B/Ballabene, Gregorio|Ballabene, Gregorio]]
*[[/B/Ballad|Ballad]]
*[[/B/Ballad singer|Ballad singer]]
*[[/B/Ballad style|Ballad style]]
*[[/B/Ballare|Ballare]]
*[[/B/Ballata|Ballata]]
*[[/B/Balino|Balino]]
*[[/B/Ballarotti|Ballarotti]]
*[[/B/Balletti, Mademoiselle|Balletti, Mademoiselle]]
*[[/B/Ballet|Ballet]]
*[[/B/Balletto|Balletto]]
*[[/B/Ballet master|Ballet master]]
*[[/B/Balli|Balli]]
*[[/B/Ballicourt|Ballicourt]]
*[[/B/Balliere, C. L. D|Balliere, C. L. D]]
*[[/B/Ballo|Ballo]]
*[[/B/Balfe|Balfe]]
*[[/B/Baltazarini|Baltazarini]]
*[[/B/Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy|Balthazarini, Beaujoyeuy]]
*[[/B/Baltzar, Thomas|Baltzar, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Balvansky|Balvansky]]
*[[/B/Balziani, Leonardo|Balziani, Leonardo]]
*[[/B/Bamberger, Madame|Bamberger, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bambini, F|Bambini, F]]
*[[/B/Banchieri, Ariano|Banchieri, Ariano]]
*[[/B/Banczakewic|Banczakewic]]
*[[/B/Band|Band]]
*[[/B/Banderali|Banderali]]
*[[/B/Bandini, Angelo Maria|Bandini, Angelo Maria]]
*[[/B/Band ore|Band ore]]
*[[/B/Banester, G|Banester, G]]
*[[/B/Banister, John|Banister, John]]
*[[/B/Banister, Charles|Banister, Charles]]
*[[/B/Banister, H. J|Banister, H. J]]
*[[/B/Banjo|Banjo]]
*[[/B/Bank, J. C. H|Bank, J. C. H]]
*[[/B/Bankhart|Bankhart]]
*[[/B/Banneux|Banneux]]
*[[/B/Bannus, John Albertus|Bannus, John Albertus]]
*[[/B/Banti, Brigada Georgi|Banti, Brigada Georgi]]
*[[/B/Banwart, Jacob|Banwart, Jacob]]
*[[/B/Baptista, Fr|Baptista, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, John|Baptiste, John]]
*[[/B/Baptiste|Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baptiste, Ludwig Alb|Baptiste, Ludwig Alb]]
*[[/B/Baptistin|Baptistin]]
*[[/B/Bar|Bar]]
*[[/B/Baranelli|Baranelli]]
*[[/B/Baranius, Henrietta|Baranius, Henrietta]]
*[[/B/Baravicini, Madame|Baravicini, Madame]]
*[[/B/Barba, Daniel|Barba, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Barbant, Charles|Barbant, Charles]]
*[[/B/Barbarino, Bartolomeo|Barbarino, Bartolomeo]]
*[[/B/Barbarism|Barbarism]]
*[[/B/Barbarous|Barbarous]]
*[[/B/Barbella, Emanuele|Barbella, Emanuele]]
*[[/B/Barber|Barber]]
*[[/B/Barbici|Barbici]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Madame Walbonne|Barbier, Madame Walbonne]]
*[[/B/Barbier, Mrs|Barbier, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barbiere|Barbiere]]
*[[/B/Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo|Barbieri, Giovanni Angelo]]
*[[/B/Barbud|Barbud]]
*[[/B/Barca, Don Alessandro|Barca, Don Alessandro]]
*[[/B/Barcarolles, barcorelles|Barcarolles, barcorelles]]
*[[/B/Bard|Bard]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Giovanni De|Bardi, Giovanni De]]
*[[/B/Bardi, Girolamo|Bardi, Girolamo]]
*[[/B/Baretti, Giuseppe|Baretti, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Baretti, A|Baretti, A]]
*[[/B/Bargaglia, Scipione|Bargaglia, Scipione]]
*[[/B/Barille|Barille]]
*[[/B/Barilli, Madame|Barilli, Madame]]
*[[/B/Baripicni|Baripicni]]
*[[/B/Baritono voice|Baritono voice]]
*[[/B/Baritono clef|Baritono clef]]
*[[/B/Barizel|Barizel]]
*[[/B/Barly|Barly]]
*[[/B/Barman, F|Barman, F]]
*[[/B/Barmann, Johann Baptist|Barmann, Johann Baptist]]
*[[/B/Barnard, Rev|Barnard, Rev]]
*[[/B/Barnett, John|Barnett, John]]
*[[/B/Barni, Camille|Barni, Camille]]
*[[/B/Baron, Ernst Gottlieb|Baron, Ernst Gottlieb]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Adriana|Baroni, Adriana]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Antonio|Baroni, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Catharina|Baroni, Catharina]]
*[[/B/Baroni, Leonora|Baroni, Leonora]]
*[[/B/Baroque|Baroque]]
*[[/B/Barre|Barre]]
*[[/B/Barre, Antonio|Barre, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Barre, Trille La|Barre, Trille La]]
*[[/B/Barred c|Barred c]]
*[[/B/Barred semicircle|Barred semicircle]]
*[[/B/Barrel organ|Barrel organ]]
*[[/B/Barrett, John|Barrett, John]]
*[[/B/Barretti|Barretti]]
*[[/B/Barriere, E. B. J|Barriere, E. B. J]]
*[[/B/Barrington, Hon|Barrington, Hon]]
*[[/B/Barsanti, Francesco|Barsanti, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Barta|Barta]]
*[[/B/Bartali, A|Bartali, A]]
*[[/B/Bartelozzi, B|Bartelozzi, B]]
*[[/B/Barth, Christian Samuel|Barth, Christian Samuel]]
*[[/B/Barth, F. P|Barth, F. P]]
*[[/B/Barthel, Johann Christian|Barthel, Johann Christian]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, F|Barthelemon, F]]
*[[/B/Barthelemon, Mrs|Barthelemon, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Barthoffer|Barthoffer]]
*[[/B/Bartholdy|Bartholdy]]
*[[/B/Bartholini, Rindio|Bartholini, Rindio]]
*[[/B/Bartholomaeus|Bartholomaeus]]
*[[/B/Bartleman, J|Bartleman, J]]
*[[/B/Bartlett, John|Bartlett, John]]
*[[/B/Bartoli, Daniel|Bartoli, Daniel]]
*[[/B/Bartolini Perugino, Simone|Bartolini Perugino, Simone]]
*[[/B/Bartolozzi|Bartolozzi]]
*[[/B/Bartolus, Abraham|Bartolus, Abraham]]
*[[/B/Barton, Jusquin|Barton, Jusquin]]
*[[/B/Bartsch, C. F|Bartsch, C. F]]
*[[/B/Bartsch|Bartsch]]
*[[/B/Baruta|Baruta]]
*[[/B/Baryphonus, Henry|Baryphonus, Henry]]
*[[/B/Barypicni|Barypicni]]
*[[/B/Barytone|Barytone]]
*[[/B/Basanier, Martin|Basanier, Martin]]
*[[/B/Basile, Adriana|Basile, Adriana]]
*[[/B/Basilicapetri, Carlo|Basilicapetri, Carlo]]
*[[/B/Basilu, D. F|Basilu, D. F]]
*[[/B/Basilio, Francesco|Basilio, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bass, base|Bass, base]]
*[[/B/Bass beam|Bass beam]]
*[[/B/Bass horn|Bass horn]]
*[[/B/Bass clef note|Bass clef note]]
*[[/B/Bass grace|Bass grace]]
*[[/B/Bass string|Bass string]]
*[[/B/Bass, thorough|Bass, thorough]]
*[[/B/Bass violin|Bass violin]]
*[[/B/Bass viol|Bass viol]]
*[[/B/Bass voice|Bass voice]]
*[[/B/Bass chantante|Bass chantante]]
*[[/B/Bass clef|Bass clef]]
*[[/B/Bass counter|Bass counter]]
*[[/B/Bassa|Bassa]]
*[[/B/Bassani, giovanni battista|Bassani, giovanni battista]]
*[[/B/Bassani, Geronimo|Bassani, Geronimo]]
*[[/B/Bassani, Orazio|Bassani, Orazio]]
*[[/B/Basse|Basse]]
*[[/B/Basse chiffre|Basse chiffre]]
*[[/B/Basseggio, Lorenzo|Basseggio, Lorenzo]]
*[[/B/Bassetto|Bassetto]]
*[[/B/Basset-horn|Basset-horn]]
*[[/B/Bassi|Bassi]]
*[[/B/Bassiron, Philipp|Bassiron, Philipp]]
*[[/B/Bassista|Bassista]]
*[[/B/Basso|Basso]]
*[[/B/Basso concertante|Basso concertante]]
*[[/B/Basso continuo|Basso continuo]]
*[[/B/Basso costrutto|Basso costrutto]]
*[[/B/Basso primo|Basso primo]]
*[[/B/Basso recitante|Basso recitante]]
*[[/B/Basso ripieno|Basso ripieno]]
*[[/B/Basso rivolato|Basso rivolato]]
*[[/B/Basso secondo, a|Basso secondo, a]]
*[[/B/Bassoon|Bassoon]]
*[[/B/Basta|Basta]]
*[[/B/Bastamento|Bastamento]]
*[[/B/Basterwitz|Basterwitz]]
*[[/B/Bastide|Bastide]]
*[[/B/Bastini, Vincenzo|Bastini, Vincenzo]]
*[[/B/Baston, Josquin|Baston, Josquin]]
*[[/B/Bataille, Gabriel|Bataille, Gabriel]]
*[[/B/Baten, Fleur|Baten, Fleur]]
*[[/B/Bates, Joah, Esq|Bates, Joah, Esq]]
*[[/B/Bates, Mrs|Bates, Mrs]]
*[[/B/Bateson, Thomas|Bateson, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bathe, W|Bathe, W]]
*[[/B/Batillus|Batillus]]
*[[/B/Batistin|Batistin]]
*[[/B/Baton|Baton]]
*[[/B/Batten, Adrian|Batten, Adrian]]
*[[/B/Battere|Battere]]
*[[/B/Batteux, Charles|Batteux, Charles]]
*[[/B/Battiferni, Luigi|Battiferni, Luigi]]
*[[/B/Battino|Battino]]
*[[/B/Battishill, Jonathan|Battishill, Jonathan]]
*[[/B/Battista, Alb. L. Fr|Battista, Alb. L. Fr]]
*[[/B/Battistine, Giacomo|Battistine, Giacomo]]
*[[/B/Battle hymn|Battle hymn]]
*[[/B/Battuta|Battuta]]
*[[/B/Batu|Batu]]
*[[/B/Bauck|Bauck]]
*[[/B/Bau|Bau]]
*[[/B/Baud, M|Baud, M]]
*[[/B/Baudiot, Charles H|Baudiot, Charles H]]
*[[/B/Bauer, Francois|Bauer, Francois]]
*[[/B/Bauer, Catharine|Bauer, Catharine]]
*[[/B/Bauer, G|Bauer, G]]
*[[/B/Bauersachs, Christian Friedrich|Bauersachs, Christian Friedrich]]
*[[/B/Bauerschmidt|Bauerschmidt]]
*[[/B/Baumann, Paul Christophe|Baumann, Paul Christophe]]
*[[/B/Baumbach, Fr|Baumbach, Fr]]
*[[/B/Baumberg|Baumberg]]
*[[/B/Baumgartner, Jean Baptiste|Baumgartner, Jean Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten, C|Baumgarten, C]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten, Gotthilf Von|Baumgarten, Gotthilf Von]]
*[[/B/Baumgarten|Baumgarten]]
*[[/B/Baur, Charles Alexis|Baur, Charles Alexis]]
*[[/B/Baurans, N|Baurans, N]]
*[[/B/Bausteller, Johann Conrad|Bausteller, Johann Conrad]]
*[[/B/Baverini, Francesco|Baverini, Francesco]]
*[[/B/Bayart, Constanz A. M|Bayart, Constanz A. M]]
*[[/B/Bayer, Andre|Bayer, Andre]]
*[[/B/Bayer, Mlle|Bayer, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Bayly, Anselm, Ll|Bayly, Anselm, Ll]]
*[[/B/Bayon, Mlle|Bayon, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Natale|Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Natale]]
*[[/B/Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Francesco|Bazzino, Or Bazzani, Francesco]]
*[[/B/B double|B double]]
*[[/B/B durum, or hard b. b natural|B durum, or hard b. b natural]]
*[[/B/B flat|B flat]]
*[[/B/Beale, John|Beale, John]]
*[[/B/Beale, William|Beale, William]]
*[[/B/Beale|Beale]]
*[[/B/Beard, John|Beard, John]]
*[[/B/Bearing notes|Bearing notes]]
*[[/B/Beat|Beat]]
*[[/B/Beatings|Beatings]]
*[[/B/Beats|Beats]]
*[[/B/Beating time|Beating time]]
*[[/B/Beattie, Dr. James|Beattie, Dr. James]]
*[[/B/Beaujoyeux de -|Beaujoyeux de -]]
*[[/B/Beaumesnil, Mlle|Beaumesnil, Mlle]]
*[[/B/Beaumont, Saunter De|Beaumont, Saunter De]]
*[[/B/Becarre|Becarre]]
*[[/B/Beche|Beche]]
*[[/B/Beck, C. F|Beck, C. F]]
*[[/B/Beck, Francois|Beck, Francois]]
*[[/B/Becken|Becken]]
*[[/B/Becker, Or Beker, C. L|Becker, Or Beker, C. L]]
*[[/B/Becker, D|Becker, D]]
*[[/B/Becker, Fred. Aug|Becker, Fred. Aug]]
*[[/B/Becker, Jean|Becker, Jean]]
*[[/B/Beckmann, Jean Frederic Gottlieb|Beckmann, Jean Frederic Gottlieb]]
*[[/B/Beckwith, Dr|Beckwith, Dr]]
*[[/B/Beczwarzowsky, A. F|Beczwarzowsky, A. F]]
*[[/B/Bedard, Jeane Baptiste|Bedard, Jeane Baptiste]]
*[[/B/Bede|Bede]]
*[[/B/Bedford, Arthur|Bedford, Arthur]]
*[[/B/Bedos De Celles, Dom Francois|Bedos De Celles, Dom Francois]]
*[[/B/Bedrick|Bedrick]]
*[[/B/Beecke, Ignaz Von|Beecke, Ignaz Von]]
*[[/B/Beer, Johann|Beer, Johann]]
*[[/B/Beer, Joseph|Beer, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Beethoven, Louis Van|Beethoven, Louis Van]]
*[[/B/Beffroi De Reigny, L. A|Beffroi De Reigny, L. A]]
*[[/B/Begeisterung|Begeisterung]]
*[[/B/Begleitung|Begleitung]]
*[[/B/Begrez, Pierre-ignace|Begrez, Pierre-ignace]]
*[[/B/Begue, Le|Begue, Le]]
*[[/B/Behr, Samuel Rudolph|Behr, Samuel Rudolph]]
*[[/B/Bell|Bell]]
*[[/B/Bella, Domenico Dalla|Bella, Domenico Dalla]]
*[[/B/Bellamy, Thomas Ludford|Bellamy, Thomas Ludford]]
*[[/B/Bellanda, Ludovico|Bellanda, Ludovico]]
*[[/B/Bellaver, Vincent|Bellaver, Vincent]]
*[[/B/Bellerman, Constantin|Bellerman, Constantin]]
*[[/B/Belletti, Giovanni|Belletti, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bellezza, con|Bellezza, con]]
*[[/B/Belli, Giovanni|Belli, Giovanni]]
*[[/B/Bellini, Vincent|Bellini, Vincent]]
*[[/B/Bellochi, Signora Georgi|Bellochi, Signora Georgi]]
*[[/B/Belloli|Belloli]]
*[[/B/Bells, musical|Bells, musical]]
*[[/B/Bell ringer|Bell ringer]]
*[[/B/Bell of a horn|Bell of a horn]]
*[[/B/Bellows|Bellows]]
*[[/B/Bellows of an organ|Bellows of an organ]]
*[[/B/Belly of an instrument|Belly of an instrument]]
*[[/B/Bel metallo di voce|Bel metallo di voce]]
*[[/B/Beltrame|Beltrame]]
*[[/B/Bemetzrieder|Bemetzrieder]]
*[[/B/Bemol|Bemol]]
*[[/B/Ben|Ben]]
*[[/B/Bencini, P. P|Bencini, P. P]]
*[[/B/Benda, Franz|Benda, Franz]]
*[[/B/Benda, George|Benda, George]]
*[[/B/Benda, Friedrich Ludwig|Benda, Friedrich Ludwig]]
*[[/B/Benda, Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich|Benda, Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich]]
*[[/B/Benda, Joseph|Benda, Joseph]]
*[[/B/Benda, Carl Herrmann Hein|Benda, Carl Herrmann Hein]]
*[[/B/Benda, Madame|Benda, Madame]]
*[[/B/Bendeler, Johann Philipp|Bendeler, Johann Philipp]]
*[[/B/Bender|Bender]]
*[[/B/Bendinelli, Agostino|Bendinelli, Agostino]]
*[[/B/Bene|Bene]]
*[[/B/Benecken, F. B|Benecken, F. B]]
*[[/B/Benedict, Jules|Benedict, Jules]]
*[[/B/Benedict|Benedict]]
*[[/B/Benedictus|Benedictus]]
*[[/B/Benedictus, Joh. Baptista|Benedictus, Joh. Baptista]]
*[[/B/Benedikt|Benedikt]]
*[[/B/Beneken|Beneken]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Alemanno|Benelli, Alemanno]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Antonio|Benelli, Antonio]]
*[[/B/Benelli, Signor|Benelli, Signor]]
*[[/B/Bene placito|Bene placito]]
*[[/B/Ben Et, John|Ben Et, John]]
*[[/B/Benetti|Benetti]]
*[[/B/Benevento, Giuseppe J. U|Benevento, Giuseppe J. U]]
*[[/B/Benevento Di San Raffale, Lb Comte|Benevento Di San Raffale, Lb Comte]]
*[[/B/Benevoli, Orazio|Benevoli, Orazio]]
*[[/B/Bengraf, Johann|Bengraf, Johann]]
*[[/B/Benincori, Angelo|Benincori, Angelo]]
*[[/B/Benini, Giuseppe|Benini, Giuseppe]]
*[[/B/Benini, Signora|Benini, Signora]]
*[[/B/Bennet, John|Bennet, John]]
*[[/B/Bennet, William|Bennet, William]]
*[[/B/Bennett, Thomas|Bennett, Thomas]]
*[[/B/Bennett, William Sterndale|Bennett, William Sterndale]]
*[[/B/Benmarcato|Benmarcato]]
*[[/B/Benser|Benser]]
*[[/B/Bequarre|Bequarre]]
*[[/B/Berard|Berard]]
*[[/B/Berardi, Angelo|Berardi, Angelo]]
*[[/B/Beraudiere, Marc De|Beraudiere, Marc De]]
*[[/B/Berbiguier, Benoit Tranquille|Berbiguier, Benoit Tranquille]]
*[[/B/Berchem, Jaques Giachetto|Berchem, Jaques Giachetto]]
*[[/B/Berg|Berg]]
*[[/B/Berger, Louis|Berger, Louis]]
*[[/B/Berger, Johann Wilhelm Von|Berger, Johann Wilhelm Von]]
*[[/B/Bergognoni, Bernardo|Bergognoni, Bernardo]]
*[[/B/Bergomus, Alexander|Bergomus, Alexander]]
*[[/B/Bergt, Christian Gottlob August|Bergt, Christian Gottlob August]]
*[[/B/Berlin Academy Of Music|Berlin Academy Of Music]]
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===1===
The science of grammar&lt;ref&gt;It will be understood that the terms Grammar and Grammarian have here a more extended sense than that which they convey in modern use. See the beginning of [[#4|c. iv]].&lt;/ref&gt; was in ancient times far from being in vogue at Rome; indeed, it was of little use in a rude state of society, when the people were engaged in constant wars, and had not much time to bestow on the cultivation of the liberal arts.&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius's account of the rude and unlettered state of society in the early times of Rome, is consistent with what we might infer, and with the accounts which have come down to us, of a community composed of the most daring and adventurous spirits thrown off by the neighbouring tribes, and whose sole occupations were rapine and war.  But [[Author:Cicero|Cicero]] discovers the germs of mental cultivation among the Romans long before the period assigned to it by Suetonius, tracing them to the teaching of [[Author:Pythagoras|Pythagoras]], who visited the Greek cities on the coast of Italy in the reign of [[w:Tarquinius Superbus|Tarquinius Superbus]].--Tusc. Quaest. iv. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; At the outset, its pretensions were very slender, for the earliest men of learning, who were both poets and orators, may be considered as half-Greek: I speak of [[Author:Titus Livius|Livius]]&lt;ref&gt;Livius, whose cognomen Andronicus, intimates his extraction, was born of Greek parents.  He began to teach at Rome in the consulship of Claudius Cento, the son of [[w:Appius Claudius Caecus|Appius Caecus]], and [[w:Gaius Sempronius Tuditanus|Sempronius Tuditanus]], A.U.C. 514.  He must not be confounded with Titus Livius, the historian, who flourished in the Augustan age.&lt;/ref&gt; and [[w:Quintus Ennius|Ennius]],&lt;ref&gt;Ennius was a native of Calabria.  He was born the year after the consulship mentioned in the preceding note, and lived to see at least his seventy-sixth year, for [[w:Gellius|Gellius]] informs us that at that age he wrote the twelfth book of his Annals.&lt;/ref&gt; who are acknowledged to have taught both
languages as well at Rome as in foreign parts.&lt;ref&gt;[[Author:Cato the Elder|Porcius Cato]] found Ennius in Sardinia, when he conquered that island during his praetorship.  He learnt Greek from Ennius there, and brought him to Rome on his return.  Ennius taught Greek at Rome for a long course of years, having M. Cato among his pupils.&lt;/ref&gt; But they only translated from the Greek, and if they composed anything of their own in Latin, it was only from what they had before read.  For although there are those who say that this Ennius published two books, one on &quot;Letters and Syllables,&quot; and the other on &quot;Metres,&quot; [[w:Lucius Aurelius Cotta|Lucius Cotta]] has satisfactorily proved that they are not the works of the poet Ennius, but of another writer of the same name, to whom also the treatise on the &quot;Rules of Augury&quot; is attributed.

===2===
[[w:Crates of Mallus|Crates of Mallos]],&lt;ref&gt;Mallos was near Tarsus, in Cilicia.  Crates was the son of [[w:Timocrates|Timocrates]], a Stoic philosopher, who for his critical skill had the surname of Homericus.&lt;/ref&gt; then, was, in our opinion, the first who introduced the study of grammar at Rome.  He was contemporary with [[w:Aristarchus|Aristarchus]],&lt;ref&gt;Aristarchus flourished at Alexandria, in the reign of [[w:Ptolemy Philometer|Ptolemy Philometer]], whose son he educated.&lt;/ref&gt;, and having been sent by king [[w:Attalus|Attalus]] as envoy to the senate in the interval between the second and third Punic wars,&lt;ref&gt;A.U.C. 535-602 or 605.&lt;/ref&gt; soon after the death of Ennius,&lt;ref&gt;Cicero [De Clar. Orat. c. xx., De Senect. c. v. 1] places the death of Ennius A.U.C. 584, for which there are other authorities; but this differs from the account given in a former note.&lt;/ref&gt; he had the misfortune to fall into an open sewer in the Palatine quarter of the city, and broke his leg. After which, during the whole period of his embassy and convalescence, he gave frequent lectures, taking much pains to instruct his hearers, and he has left us an example well worthy of imitation.  It was so far followed, that poems hitherto little known, the works either of deceased friends or other approved writers, were brought to light, and being read and commented on, were explained to others.  Thus, Caius Octavius Lampadio edited the Punic War of Naevius,&lt;ref&gt;The History of the first Punic War by [[w:Gnaeus Naevius|Naevius]] is mentioned by Cicero, De Senect, c. 14.&lt;/ref&gt; which having been written in one volume without any break in the manuscript, he divided into seven books. After that, Quintus Vargonteius undertook the Annals of Ennius, which he read on certain fixed days to crowded audiences.  So Laelius Archelaus, and Vectius Philocomus, read and commented on the Satires of their friend Lucilius,&lt;ref&gt;Lucilius, the poet, was born about A.U.C. 605.&lt;/ref&gt; which Lenaeus Pompeius, a freedman, tells us he studied under [[w:Archelaus|Archelaus]]; and Valerius Cato, under Philocomus.  Two others also taught and promoted grammar in various branches, namely, Lucius Aelius Lanuvinus, the son-in-law of Quintus Aelius, and Servius Claudius, both of whom were Roman knights, and men who rendered great services both to learning and the republic.

===3===
Lucius Aelius had a double cognomen, for he was called Praeconius, because his father was a herald; Stilo, because he was in the habit of composing orations for most of the speakers of highest rank; indeed, he was so strong a partisan of the nobles, that he accompanied [[w:Quintus Metellus Numidicus|Quintus Metellus Numidicus]]&lt;ref&gt;Q. Metellus obtained the surname of Numidicus, on his triumph over [[w:Jugurtha|Jugurtha]], A.U.C. 644.  Aelius, who was Varro's tutor, accompanied him to Rhodes or Smyrna, when he was unjustly banished, A.U.C. 653.&lt;/ref&gt; in his exile.  Servius&lt;ref&gt;Servius Claudius (also called Clodius) is commended by Cicero, Fam. Epist. ix. 16, and his singular death mentioned by [[Author:Pliny|Pliny]], xxv. 4.&lt;/ref&gt; having clandestinely obtained his father-in-law's book before it was published, was disowned for the fraud, which he took so much to heart, that, overwhelmed with shame and distress, he retired from Rome; and being seized with a fit of the gout, in his impatience, he applied a poisonous ointment to his feet, which half-killed him, so that his lower limbs mortified while he was still alive.  After this, more attention was paid to the science of letters, and it grew in public estimation, insomuch, that men of the highest rank did not hesitate in undertaking to write something on the subject; and it is related that sometimes there were no less than twenty celebrated scholars in Rome.  So high was the value, and so great were the rewards, of grammarians, that Lutatius Daphnides, jocularly called &quot;Pan's herd&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Daphnis|Daphnis]], a shepherd, the son of Mercury, was said to have been brought up by Pan.  The humorous turn given by Lenaeus to Lutatius's cognomen is not very clear.  Daphnides is the plural of Daphnis; therefore the herd or company, agaema; and Pan was the god of rustics, and the inventor of the rude music of the reed.&lt;/ref&gt; by Lenaeus Melissus, was purchased by Quintus Catullus for two hundred thousand sesterces, and shortly afterwards made a freedman; and that Lucius Apuleius, who was taken into the pay of Epicius Calvinus, a wealthy Roman knight, at the annual salary of ten thousand crowns, had many scholars.  Grammar also penetrated into the provinces, and some of the most eminent amongst the learned taught it in foreign parts, particularly in Gallia Togata.  In the number of these, we may reckon Octavius Teucer, Siscennius Jacchus, and Oppius Cares,&lt;ref&gt;Oppius Cares is said by [[w:Macrobius|Macrobius]] to have written a book on Forest Trees.&lt;/ref&gt; who persisted in teaching to a most advanced period of his life, at a time when he was not only unable to walk, but his sight failed.

===4===
The appellation of grammarian was borrowed from the Greeks; but at first, the Latins called such persons literati.  Cornelius Nepos, also, in his book, where he draws a distinction between a literate and a philologist, says that in common phrase, those are properly called literati who are skilled in speaking or writing with care or accuracy, and those more especially deserve the name who translated the poets, and were called grammarians by the Greeks.  It appears that they were named literators by Messala Corvinus, in one of his letters, when he says, &quot;that it does not refer to Furius Bibaculus, nor even to Sigida, nor to Cato, the literator,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Quintilian enumerates Bibaculus among the Roman poets in the same line with Catullus and Horace, Institut. x. 1.  Of Sigida we know nothing; even the name is supposed to be incorrectly given.  Apuleius mentions a Ticida, who is also noticed by Suetonius hereafter in [[#11|c. xi.]], where likewise he gives an account of Valerius Cato.&lt;/ref&gt; meaning, doubtless, that Valerius Cato was both a poet and an eminent grammarian.  Some there are who draw a distinction between a literati and a literator, as the Greeks do between a grammarian and a grammatist, applying the former term to men of real erudition, the latter to those whose pretensions to learning are moderate; and this opinion Orbilius supports by examples.  For he says that in old times, when a company of slaves was offered for sale by any person, it was not customary, without good reason, to describe either of them in the catalogue as a literati, but only as a literator, meaning that he was not a proficient in letters, but had a smattering of knowledge.

The early grammarians taught rhetoric also, and we have many of their treatises which include both sciences; whence it arose, I think, that in later times, although the two professions had then become distinct, the old custom was retained, or the grammarians introduced into their teaching some of the elements required for public speaking, such as the problem, the periphrasis, the choice of words, description of character, and the like; in order that they might not transfer their pupils to the rhetoricians no better than ill-taught boys.  But I perceive that these lessons are now given up in some cases, on account of the want of application, or the tender years, of the scholar, for I do not believe that it arises from any dislike in the master.  I recollect that when I was a boy it was the custom of one of these, whose name was Princeps, to take alternate days for declaiming and disputing; and sometimes he would lecture in the morning, and declaim in the afternoon, when he had his pulpit removed.  I heard, also, that even within the memories of our own fathers, some of the pupils of the grammarians passed directly from the schools to the courts, and at once took a high place in the ranks of the most distinguished advocates.  The professors at that time were, indeed, men of great eminence, of some of whom I may be able to give an account in the following chapters.

===5===
'''[[w:Saevius Nicanor|Saevius]]'''&lt;ref&gt;Probably Suevius, of whom Macrobius informs us that he was the learned author of an Idyll, which had the title of the Mulberry Grove; observing, that &quot;the peach which Suevius reckons as a species of the nuts, rather belongs to the tribe of apples.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; '''Nicanor''' first acquired fame and reputation by his teaching: and, besides, he made commentaries, the greater part of which, however, are said to have been borrowed.  He also wrote a satire, in which he informs us that he was a freedman, and had a double cognomen, in the following verses;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Saevius Nicanor Marci libertus negabit,''
''Saevius Posthumius idem, sed Marcus, docebit.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
What Saevius Nicanor, the freedman of Marcus, will deny,
The same Saevius, called also Posthumius Marcus, will assert.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is reported, that in consequence of some infamy attached to his character, he retired to Sardinia, and there ended his days.

===6===
'''Aurelius Opilius''',&lt;ref&gt;Aurelius Opilius is mentioned by [[w:Symmachus|Symmachus]] and [[w:Gellius|Gellius]].  His cotemporary and friend, [[w:Publius Rutilius Rufus|Rutilius Rufus]], having been a military tribune under Scipio in the [[w:Numantine War|Numantine war]], wrote a history of it.  He was consul A.U.C. 648, and unjustly banished, to the general grief of the people, A.U.C. 659.&lt;/ref&gt; the freedman of some Epicurean, first taught philosophy, then rhetoric, and last of all, grammar.  Having closed his school, he followed Rutilius Rufus, when he was banished to Asia, and there the two friends grew old together.  He also wrote several volumes on a variety of learned topics, nine books of which he distinguished by the number and names of the nine Muses; as he says, not without reason, they being the patrons of authors and poets.  I observe that its title is given in several indexes by a single letter, but he uses two in the heading of a book called Pinax.

===7===
'''[[w:Marcus Antonius Gnipho|Marcus Antonius Gnipho]]''',&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Quintillian|Quintilian]] mentions Gnipho, Instit. i. 6.  We find that Cicero was among his pupils.  The date of his praetorship, given below, fixes the time when Gnipho flourished.&lt;/ref&gt; a free-born native of Gaul, was exposed in his infancy, and afterwards received his freedom from his foster-father; and, as some say, was educated at Alexandria, where Dionysius Scytobrachion&lt;ref&gt;This strange cognomen is supposed to have been derived from a cork arm, which supplied the place of one Dionysius had lost.  He was a poet of [[w:Mitylene|Mitylene]].&lt;/ref&gt; was his fellow pupil.  This, however, I am not very ready to believe, as the times at which they flourished scarcely agree.  He is said to have been a man of great genius, of singular memory, well read in Greek as well as Latin, and of a most obliging and agreeable temper, who never haggled about remuneration, but generally left it to the liberality of his scholars.  He first taught in the house of [[Author:Gaius Julius Caesar|Julius Caesar]],&lt;ref&gt;See before, JULIUS, c. xlvi.&lt;/ref&gt; when the latter was yet but a boy, and, afterwards, in his own private house.  He gave instruction in rhetoric also, teaching the rules of eloquence every day, but declaiming only on festivals.  It is said that some very celebrated men frequented his school,&amp;mdash;and, among others, [[Author:Cicero|Marcus Cicero]], during the time he held the praetorship.&lt;ref&gt;A.U.C. 687.&lt;/ref&gt; He wrote a number of works, although he did not live beyond his fiftieth year; but Atteius, the philologist,&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius gives his life in [[#10|c. x.]]&lt;/ref&gt; says, that he left only two volumes, &quot;De Latino Sermone;&quot; and, that the other works ascribed to him, were composed by his disciples, and were not his, although his name is sometimes to be found in them.

===8===
'''M. Pompilius Andronicus''', a native of Syria, while he professed to be a grammarian, was considered an idle follower of the Epicurean sect, and little qualified to be a master of a school.  Finding, therefore, that, at Rome, not only Antonius Gnipho, but even other teachers of less note were preferred to him, he retired to Cumae, where he lived at his ease; and, though he wrote several books, he was so needy, and reduced to such straits, as to be compelled to sell that excellent little work of his, &quot;The Index to the Annals,&quot; for sixteen thousand sesterces.  Orbilius has informed us, that he redeemed this work from the oblivion into which it had fallen, and took care to have it published with the author's name.

===9===
'''[[w:Lucius Orbilius Pupillus|Orbilius Pupillus]]''', of Beneventum, being left an orphan, by the death of his parents, who both fell a sacrifice to the plots of their enemies on the same day, acted, at first, as apparitor to the magistrates.  He then joined the troops in Macedonia, when he was first decorated with the plumed helmet,&lt;ref&gt;A grade of inferior officers in the Roman armies, of which we have no very exact idea.&lt;/ref&gt; and, afterwards, promoted to serve on horseback. Having completed his military service, he resumed his studies, which he had pursued with no small diligence from his youth upwards; and, having been a professor for a long period in his own country, at last, during the consulship of Cicero, made his way to Rome, where he taught with more reputation than profit.  For in one of his works he says, that &quot;he was then very old, and lived in a garret.&quot;  He also published a book with the title of Perialogos; containing complaints of the injurious treatment to which professors submitted, without seeking redress at the hands of parents.  His sour temper betrayed itself, not only in his disputes with the sophists opposed to him, whom he lashed on every occasion, but also towards his scholars, as Horace tells us, who calls him &quot;a flogger;&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Horace speaks feelingly on the subject:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Memini quae plagosum mihi parvo''
''Orbilium tractare.''  Epist. xi. i. 70.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
I remember well when I was young,
How old Orbilius thwacked me at my tasks.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and [[w:Domitius Marsus|Domitius Marsus]],&lt;ref&gt;Domitius Marsus wrote epigrams.  He is mentioned by Ovid and Martial.&lt;/ref&gt; who says of him:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Si quos Orbilius ferula scuticaque cecidit.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''If those Orbilius with rod or ferule thrashed.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And not even men of rank escaped his sarcasms; for, before he became noticed, happening to be examined as a witness in a crowded court, Varro, the advocate on the other side, put the question to him, &quot;What he did and by what profession he gained his livelihood?&quot;  He replied, &quot;That he lived by removing hunchbacks from the sunshine into the shade,&quot; alluding to [[w:Lucius Licinius Murena|Muraena]]'s deformity.  He lived till he was near a hundred years old; but he had long lost his memory, as the verse of Bibaculus informs us:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Orbilius ubinam est, literarum oblivio?''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Where is Orbilius now, that wreck of learning lost?
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His statue is shown in the Capitol at Beneventum.  It stands on the left hand, and is sculptured in marble,&lt;ref&gt;This is not the only instance mentioned by Suetonius of statues erected to learned men in the place of their birth or celebrity. Orbilius, as a schoolmaster, was represented in a sitting posture, and with the gown of the Greek philosophers.&lt;/ref&gt; representing him in a sitting posture, wearing the pallium, with two writing-cases in his hand.  He left a son, named also Orbilius, who, like his father, was a professor of grammar.

===10===
'''Atteius, the Philologist''', a freedman, was born at Athens.  Of him, Capito Atteius,&lt;ref&gt;Tacitus [[[The Annals (Tacitus)|Annal.]] cxi. 75] gives the character of Atteius Capito. He was consul A.U.C. 758.&lt;/ref&gt; the well-known jurisconsult, says that he was a rhetorician among the grammarians, and a grammarian among the rhetoricians.  [[w:Asinius Pollio|Asinius Pollio]],&lt;ref&gt;Asinius Pollio; see JULIUS, c. xxx.&lt;/ref&gt; in the book in which he finds fault with the writings of Sallust for his great affectation of obsolete words, speaks thus: &quot;In this work his chief assistant was a certain Atteius, a man of rank, a splendid Latin grammarian, the aider and preceptor of those who studied the practice of declamation; in short, one who claimed for himself the cognomen of Philologus.&quot;  Writing to Lucius Hermas, he says, &quot;that he had made great proficiency in Greek literature, and some in Latin; that he had been a hearer of Antonius Gnipho, and his Hermas,&lt;ref&gt;Whether Hermas was the son or scholar of Gnipho, does not appear.&lt;/ref&gt; and afterwards began to teach others.  Moreover, that he had for pupils many illustrious youths, among whom were the two brothers, Appius and Pulcher Claudius; and that he even accompanied them to their province.&quot;  He appears to have assumed the name of Philologus, because, like [[Author:Eratosthenes|Eratosthenes]],&lt;ref&gt;Eratosthenes, an Athenian philosopher, flourished in Egypt, under three of the [[Author:Ptolemy|Ptolemies]] successively.  Strabo often mentions him.  See xvii. p. 576.&lt;/ref&gt; who first adopted that cognomen, he was in high repute for his rich and varied stores of learning; which, indeed, is evident from his commentaries, though but few of them are extant. Another letter, however, to the same Hermas, shews that they were very numerous: &quot;Remember,&quot; it says, &quot;to recommend generally our Extracts, which we have collected, as you know, of all kinds, into eight hundred books.&quot;  He afterwards formed an intimate acquaintance with Caius Sallustius, and, on his death, with Asinius Pollio; and when they undertook to write a history, he supplied the one with short annals of all Roman affairs, from which he could select at pleasure; and the other, with rules on the art of composition.  I am, therefore, surprised that Asinius Pollio should have supposed that he was in the habit of collecting old words and figures of speech for Sallust, when he must have known that his own advice was, that none but well known, and common and appropriate expressions should be made use of; and that, above all things, the obscurity of the style of Sallust, and his bold freedom in translations, should be avoided.

===11===
'''Valerius Cato''' was, as some have informed us, the freedman of one Bursenus, a native of Gaul.  He himself tells us, in his little work called &quot;Indignatio,&quot; that he was born free, and being left an orphan, was exposed to be easily stripped of his patrimony during the licence of Sylla's administrations.  He had a great number of distinguished pupils, and was highly esteemed as a preceptor suited to those who had a poetical turn, as appears from these short lines:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Cato grammaticus, Latina Siren,''
''Qui solus legit ac facit poetas.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Cato, the Latin Siren, grammar taught and verse,
To form the poet skilled, and poetry rehearse.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Besides his Treatise on Grammar, he composed some poems, of which, his [[w:Lydia|Lydia]] and [[w:Diana|Diana]] are most admired.  Ticida mentions his &quot;Lydia.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Lydia, doctorum maxima cura liber.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
&quot;Lydia,&quot; a work to men of learning dear.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cinna&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Helvius Cinna|Cornelius Helvius Cinna]] was an epigrammatic poet, of the same age as Catullus.  Ovid mentions him, [[Tristia]], xi. 435.&lt;/ref&gt; thus notices the &quot;Diana.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Secula permaneat nostri Diana Catonis.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Immortal be our Cato's song of Dian.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He lived to extreme old age, but in the lowest state of penury, and almost in actual want; having retired to a small cottage when he gave up his Tusculan villa to his creditors; as Bibaculus tells us:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Si quis forte mei domum Catonis,''
''Depictas minio assulas, et illos''
''Custodis vidit hortulos Priapi,''
''Miratur, quibus ille disciplinis,''
''Tantam sit sapientiam assecutus,''
''Quam tres cauliculi et selibra farris;''
''Racemi duo, tegula sub una,''
''Ad summam prope nutriant senectam.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;If, perchance, any one has seen the house of my Cato, with marble slabs of the richest hues, and his gardens worthy of having [[w:Priapus|Priapus]]&lt;ref&gt;Priapus was worshipped as the protector of gardens.&lt;/ref&gt; for their guardian, he may well wonder by what philosophy he has gained so much wisdom, that a daily allowance of three coleworts, half-a-pound of meal, and two bunches of grapes, under a narrow roof, should serve for his subsistence to extreme old age.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And he says in another place:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Catonis modo, Galle, Tusculanum''
''Tota creditor urbe venditahat.''
''Mirati sumus unicum magistrum,''
''Summum grammaticum, optimum poetam,''
''Omnes solvere posse quaestiones,''
''Unum difficile expedire nomen.''
''En cor Zenodoti, en jecur Cratetis!''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;We lately saw, my Gallus, Cato's Tusculan villa exposed to public sale by his creditors; and wondered that such an unrivalled master of the schools, most eminent grammarian, and accomplished poet, could solve all propositions and yet found one question too difficult for him to settle,&amp;mdash;how to pay his debts.  We find in him the genius of [[w:Zenodotus|Zenodotus]],&lt;ref&gt;Zenodotus, the grammarian, was librarian to the first Ptolemy at Alexandria, and tutor to his sons.&lt;/ref&gt; the wisdom of Crates.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;For Crates, see before, p. 507.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===12===
'''Cornelius Epicadius''', a freedman of [[w:Lucius Cornelius Sulla|Lucius Cornelius Sylla]], the dictator, was his apparitor in the Augural priesthood, and much beloved by his son [[w:Faustus|Faustus]]; so that he was proud to call himself the freedman of both.  He completed the last book of Sylla's Commentaries, which his patron had left unfinished.&lt;ref&gt;We find from Plutarch that Sylla was employed two days before his death, in completing the twenty-second book of his Commentaries; and, foreseeing his fate, entrusted them to the care of Lucullus, who, with the assistance of Epicadius, corrected and arranged them.  Epicadius also wrote on Heroic verse, and Cognomina.&lt;/ref&gt;

===13===
'''Laberius Hiera''' was bought by his master out of a slave-dealer's cage, and obtained his freedom on account of his devotion to learning. It is reported that his disinterestedness was such, that he gave gratuitous instruction to the children of those who were proscribed in the time of Sylla.

===14===
'''Curtius Nicia''' was the intimate friend of [[w:Gnaeus Pompeius|Cneius Pompeius]] and [[w:Gaius Memmius|Caius Memmius]]; but having carried notes from Memmius to Pompey's wife,&lt;ref&gt;Plutarch, in his Life of Caesar, speaks of the loose conduct of [[w:Mucia|Mucia]], Pompey's wife, during her husband's absence.&lt;/ref&gt; when she was debauched by Memmius, Pompey was indignant, and forbad him his house.  He was also on familiar terms with Marcus Cicero, who thus speaks of him in his epistle to [[w:Publius Cornelius Dolabella|Dolabella]]:&lt;ref&gt;Fam. Epist. 9.&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;I have more need of receiving letters from you, than you have of desiring them from me.  For there is nothing going on at Rome in which I think you would take any interest, except, perhaps, that you may like to know that I am appointed umpire between our friends Nicias and [[w:Vidius|Vidius]].  The one, it appears, alleges in two short verses that Nicias owes him money; the other, like an Aristarchus, cavils at them.  I, like an old critic, am to decide whether they are Nicias's or spurious.&quot;

Again, in a letter to [[w:Herodes Atticus|Atticus]],&lt;ref&gt;Cicero ad Att. xii. 36.&lt;/ref&gt; he says: &quot;As to what you write about Nicias, nothing could give me greater pleasure than to have him with me, if I was in a position to enjoy his society; but my province is to me a place of retirement and solitude.  Sicca easily reconciled himself to this state of things, and, therefore, I would prefer having him. Besides, you are well aware of the feebleness, and the nice and luxurious habits, of our friend Nicias.  Why should I be the means of making him uncomfortable, when he can afford me no pleasure?  At the same time, I value his goodwill.&quot;

===15===
'''Lenaeus''' was a freedman of Pompey the Great, and attended him in most of his expeditions.  On the death of his patron and his sons, he supported himself by teaching in a school which he opened near the temple of Tellus, in the Carium, in the quarter of the city where the house of the Pompeys stood.&lt;ref&gt;See before, AUGUSTUS, c. v.&lt;/ref&gt; Such was his regard for his patron's memory, that when Sallust described him as having a brazen face, and a shameless mind, he lashed the historian in a most bitter satire,&lt;ref&gt;Lenaeus was not singular in his censure of Sallust.  [[w:Lactanius|Lactantius]], 11. 12, gives him an infamous character; and Horace says of him,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Libertinarum dico; Sallustius in quas''
''Non minus insanit; quam qui moechatur.''&amp;mdash;Sat. i. 2. 48.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; as &quot;a bull's-pizzle, a gormandizer, a braggart, and a tippler, a man whose life and writings were equally monstrous;&quot; besides charging him with being &quot;a most unskilful plagiarist, who borrowed the language of Cato and other old writers.&quot;  It is related, that, in his youth, having escaped from slavery by the contrivance of some of his friends, he took refuge in his own country; and, that after he had applied himself to the liberal arts, he brought the price of his freedom to his former master, who, however, struck by his talents and learning, gave him manumission gratuitously.

===16===
'''[[w:Quintus Caecilius Epirota|Quintus Caecilius]]''', an Epirot by descent, but born at Tusculum, was a freedman of Atticus Satrius, a Roman knight, to whom Cicero addressed his Epistles.&lt;ref&gt;The name of the well known Roman knight, to whom Cicero addressed his Epistles, was [[w:Titus Pomponius Atticus|Titus Pomponius Atticus]].  Although Satrius was the name of a family at Rome, no connection between it and Atticus can be found, so that the text is supposed to be corrupt.  Quintus Caecilius was an uncle of Atticus, and adopted him.  The freedman mentioned in this chapter probably assumed his name, he having been the property of Caecilius; as it was the custom for freedmen to adopt the names of their patrons.&lt;/ref&gt; He became the tutor of his patron's daughter,&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius, TIBERIUS, c. viii.  Her name was [[w:Pomponia#Sister of Titus Pomponius Atticus|Pomponia]].&lt;/ref&gt; who was contracted to Marcus Agrippa, but being suspected of an illicit intercourse with her, and sent away on that account, he betook himself to [[w:Cornelius Gallus|Cornelius Gallus]], and lived with him on terms of the greatest intimacy, which, indeed, was imputed to Gallus as one of his heaviest offences, by Augustus.  Then, after the condemnation and death of Gallus,&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, c. lxvi.&lt;/ref&gt; he opened a school, but had few pupils, and those very young, nor any belonging to the higher orders, excepting the children of those he could not refuse to admit.  He was the first, it is said, who held disputations in Latin, and who began to lecture on Virgil and the other modern poets; which the verse of [Domitius Marcus&lt;ref&gt;He is mentioned before, [[#9|c. ix.]]&lt;/ref&gt; points out.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Epirota tenellorum nutricula vatum.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
:The Epirot who,
With tender care, our unfledged poets nursed.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===17===
'''[[w:Verrius Flaccus|Verrius Flaccus]]''',&lt;ref&gt;Verrius Flaccus is mentioned by St. Jerome, in conjunction with [[w:Athenodorus Cordylion|Athenodorus of Tarsus]], a Stoic philosopher, to have flourished A.M.C. 2024, which is A.U.C. 759; A.D. 9.  He is also praised by [[w:Aulus Gellius|Gellius]], Macrobius, [[Author:Pliny the Elder|Pliny]], and [[w:Priscian|Priscian]].&lt;/ref&gt; a freedman, distinguished himself by a new mode of teaching; for it was his practice to exercise the wits of his scholars, by encouraging emulation among them; not only proposing the subjects on which they were to write, but offering rewards for those who were successful in the contest.  These consisted of some ancient, handsome, or rare book.  Being, in consequence, selected by Augustus, as preceptor to his grandsons, he transferred his entire school to the [[w:Palatium|Palatium]], but with the understanding that he should admit no fresh scholars.  The hall in Catiline's house, which had then been added to the palace, was assigned him for his school, with a yearly allowance of one hundred thousand sesterces.  He died of old age, in the reign of Tiberius.  There is a statue of him at Praeneste, in the semi-circle at the lower side of the forum, where he had set up calendars arranged by himself, and inscribed on slabs of marble.

===18===
'''Lucius Crassitius''', a native of Tarentum, and in rank a freedman, had the cognomen of Pasides, which he afterwards changed for Pansa.  His first employment was connected with the stage, and his business was to assist the writers of farces.  After that, he took to giving lessons in a gallery attached to a house, until his commentary on &quot;The Smyrna&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Cinna wrote a poem, which he called &quot;Smyrna,&quot; and was nine years in composing, as Catullus informs us, 93. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; so brought him into notice, that the following lines were written on him:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Uni Crassitio se credere Smyrna probavit.''
''Desinite indocti, conjugio hanc petere.''
''Soli Crassitio se dixit nubere velle:''
''Intima cui soli nota sua exstiterint.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Crassitius only counts on Smyrna's love,
Fruitless the wooings of the unlettered prove;
Crassitius she receives with loving arms,
For he alone unveiled her hidden charms.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, after having taught many scholars, some of whom were of high rank, and amongst others, Julius Antonius, the triumvir's son, so that he might be even compared with Verrius Flaccus; he suddenly closed his school, and joined the sect of Quintus Septimius, the philosopher.

===19===
'''Scribonius Aphrodisius''', the slave and disciple of Orbilius, who was afterwards redeemed and presented with his freedom by Scribonia,&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, cc. lxii. lxix.&lt;/ref&gt; the daughter of Libo who had been the wife of Augustus, taught in the time of Verrius; whose books on Orthography he also revised, not without some severe remarks on his pursuits and conduct.

===20===
'''C. Julius Hyginus,''' a freedman of Augustus, was a native of Spain, (although some say he was born at Alexandria,) and that when that city was taken, Caesar brought him, then a boy, to Rome.  He closely and carefully imitated Cornelius Alexander,&lt;ref&gt;Cornelius Alexander, who had also the name of Polyhistor, was born at Miletus, and being taken prisoner, and bought by Cornelius, was brought to Rome, and becoming his teacher, had his freedom given him, with the name of his patron.  He flourished in the time of Sylla, and composed a great number of works; amongst which were five books on Rome. Suetonius has already told us [AUGUSTUS, xxix.] that he had the care of the Palatine Library.&lt;/ref&gt; a Greek grammarian, who, for his antiquarian knowledge, was called by many Polyhistor, and by some History.  He had the charge of the Palatine library, but that did not prevent him from having many scholars; and he was one of the most intimate friends of the poet Ovid, and of Caius Licinius, the historian, a man of consular rank,&lt;ref&gt;No such consul as Caius Licinius appears in the Fasti; and it is supposed to be a mistake for C. Atinius, who was the colleague of Cn. Domitius Calvinus, A.U.C. 713, and wrote a book on the Civil War.&lt;/ref&gt; who has related that Hyginus died very poor, and was supported by his liberality as long as he lived.  Julius Modestus,&lt;ref&gt;Julius Modestus, in whom the name of the Julian family was still preserved, is mentioned with approbation by Gellius, Martial, Quintilian, and others.&lt;/ref&gt; who was a freedman of Hyginus, followed the footsteps of his patron in his studies and learning.

===21===
'''Caius Melissus''',&lt;ref&gt;Melissus is mentioned by Ovid, De Pontif. iv 16-30.&lt;/ref&gt; a native of Spoletum, was free-born, but
having been exposed by his parents in consequence of quarrels between them, he received a good education from his foster-father, by whose care and industry he was brought up, and was made a present of to Mecaenas, as a grammarian.  Finding himself valued and treated as a friend, he preferred to continue in his state of servitude, although he was claimed by his mother, choosing rather his present condition than that which his real origin entitled him to.  In consequence, his freedom was speedily given him, and he even became a favourite with Augustus.  By his appointment he was made curator of the library in the portico of Octavia;&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, c. xxix. p. 93, and note.&lt;/ref&gt; and, as he himself informs us, undertook to compose, when he was a sexagenarian, his books of &quot;Witticisms,&quot; which are now called &quot;The Book of Jests.&quot;  Of these he accomplished one hundred and fifty, to which he afterwards added several more.  He (521) also composed a new kind of story about those who wore the toga, and called it &quot;Trabeat.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;The trabea was a white robe, with a purple border, of a different fashion from the toga.&lt;/ref&gt;

===22===
'''Marcus Pomponius Marcellus''', a very severe critic of the Latin tongue, who sometimes pleaded causes, in a certain address on the plaintiff's behalf, persisted in charging his adversary with making a solecism, until Cassius Severus appealed to the judges to grant an adjournment until his client should produce another grammarian, as he was not prepared to enter into a controversy respecting a solecism, instead of defending his client's rights.  On another occasion, when he had found fault with some expression in a speech made by Tiberius, Atteius Capito&lt;ref&gt;See CLAUDIUS, c. x1i. and note.&lt;/ref&gt; affirmed, &quot;that if it was not Latin, at least it would be so in time to come;&quot; &quot;Capito is wrong,&quot; cried Marcellus; &quot;it is certainly in your power, Caesar, to confer the freedom of the city on whom you please, but you cannot make words for us.&quot;  Asinius Gallus&lt;ref&gt;See before, [[#10|c. x]].&lt;/ref&gt; tells us that he was formerly a pugilist, in the following epigram.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Qui caput ad laevam deicit, glossemata nobis''
''Praecipit; os nullum, vel potius pugilis.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Who ducked his head, to shun another's fist,
Though he expound old saws,&amp;mdash;yet, well I wist,
With pummelled nose and face, he's but a pugilist.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===23===
'''Remmius Palaemon''',&lt;ref&gt;Remmius Palaemon appears to have been cotemporary with Pliny and Quintilian, who speak highly of him.&lt;/ref&gt; of Vicentia,&lt;ref&gt;Now Vicenza.&lt;/ref&gt; the offspring of a bond-woman, acquired the rudiments of learning, first as the companion of a  weaver's, and then of his master's, son, at school.  Being afterwards made free, he taught at Rome, where he stood highest in the rank of the grammarians; but he was so infamous for every sort of vice, that Tiberius and his successor Claudius publicly denounced him as an improper person to have the education of boys and young men entrusted to him.  Still, his powers of narrative and agreeable style of speaking made him very popular; besides which, he had the gift of making extempore verses.  He also wrote a great many in various and uncommon metres.  His insolence was such, that he called Marcus Varro &quot;a hog;&quot; and bragged that &quot;letters were born and would perish with him;&quot; and that &quot;his name was not introduced inadvertently in the Bucolics,&lt;ref&gt;&quot;Audiat haec tantum vel qui venit, ecce, Palaemon.&quot;&amp;mdash;Eccl. iii. 50.&lt;/ref&gt; as Virgil divined that a Palaemon would some day be the judge of all poets and poems.&quot;  He also boasted, that having once fallen into the hands of robbers, they spared him on account of the celebrity his name had acquired.

He was so luxurious, that he took the bath many times in a day; nor did his means suffice for his extravagance, although his school brought him in forty thousand sesterces yearly, and he received not much less from his private estate, which he managed with great care.  He also kept a broker's shop for the sale of old clothes; and it is well known that a vine,&lt;ref&gt;All the editions have the word vitem; but we might conjecture, from the large produce, that it is a mistake for vineam, a vineyard: in which case the word vasa might be rendered, not bottles, but casks.  The amphora held about nine gallons.  Pliny mentions that Remmius bought a farm near the turning on the Nomentan road, at the tenth mile-stone from Rome.&lt;/ref&gt; he planted himself, yielded three hundred and fifty bottles of wine.  But the greatest of all his vices was his unbridled licentiousness in his commerce with women, which he carried to the utmost pitch of foul indecency.&lt;ref&gt;&quot;Usque ad infamiam oris.&quot;&amp;mdash;See TIBERIUS, p. 220, and the notes.&lt;/ref&gt; They tell a droll story of some one who met him in a crowd, and upon his offering to kiss him, could not escape the salute, &quot;Master,&quot; said he, &quot;do you want to mouth every one you meet with in a hurry?&quot;

===24===
'''Marcus Valerius Probus''', of Berytus,&lt;ref&gt;Now Beyrout, on the coast of Syria.  It was one of the colonies founded by Julius Caesar when he transported 80,000 Roman citizens to foreign parts.&amp;mdash;JULIUS, xlii.&lt;/ref&gt; after long aspiring to the rank of centurion, being at last tired of waiting, devoted himself to study.  He had met with some old authors at a bookseller's shop in the provinces, where the memory of ancient times still lingers, and is not quite forgotten, as it is at Rome.  Being anxious carefully to reperuse these, and afterwards to make acquaintance with other works of the same kind, he found himself an object of contempt, and was laughed at for his lectures, instead of their gaining him fame or profit.  Still, however, he persisted in his purpose, and employed himself in correcting, illustrating, and adding notes to many works which he had collected, his labours being confined to the province of a grammarian, and nothing more. He had, properly speaking, no scholars, but some few followers.  For he never taught in such a way as to maintain the character of a master; but was in the habit of admitting one or two, perhaps at most three or four, disciples in the afternoon; and while he lay at ease and chatted freely on ordinary topics, he occasionally read some book to them, but that did not often happen.  He published a few slight treatises on some subtle questions, besides which, he left a large collection of observations on the language of the ancients.

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===1===
The science of grammar&lt;ref&gt;It will be understood that the terms Grammar and Grammarian have here a more extended sense than that which they convey in modern use. See the beginning of [[#4|c. iv]].&lt;/ref&gt; was in ancient times far from being in vogue at Rome; indeed, it was of little use in a rude state of society, when the people were engaged in constant wars, and had not much time to bestow on the cultivation of the liberal arts.&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius's account of the rude and unlettered state of society in the early times of Rome, is consistent with what we might infer, and with the accounts which have come down to us, of a community composed of the most daring and adventurous spirits thrown off by the neighbouring tribes, and whose sole occupations were rapine and war.  But [[Author:Cicero|Cicero]] discovers the germs of mental cultivation among the Romans long before the period assigned to it by Suetonius, tracing them to the teaching of [[Author:Pythagoras|Pythagoras]], who visited the Greek cities on the coast of Italy in the reign of [[w:Tarquinius Superbus|Tarquinius Superbus]].--Tusc. Quaest. iv. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; At the outset, its pretensions were very slender, for the earliest men of learning, who were both poets and orators, may be considered as half-Greek: I speak of [[Author:Titus Livius|Livius]]&lt;ref&gt;Livius, whose cognomen Andronicus, intimates his extraction, was born of Greek parents.  He began to teach at Rome in the consulship of Claudius Cento, the son of [[w:Appius Claudius Caecus|Appius Caecus]], and [[w:Gaius Sempronius Tuditanus|Sempronius Tuditanus]], A.U.C. 514.  He must not be confounded with Titus Livius, the historian, who flourished in the Augustan age.&lt;/ref&gt; and [[w:Quintus Ennius|Ennius]],&lt;ref&gt;Ennius was a native of Calabria.  He was born the year after the consulship mentioned in the preceding note, and lived to see at least his seventy-sixth year, for [[w:Gellius|Gellius]] informs us that at that age he wrote the twelfth book of his Annals.&lt;/ref&gt; who are acknowledged to have taught both
languages as well at Rome as in foreign parts.&lt;ref&gt;[[Author:Cato the Elder|Porcius Cato]] found Ennius in Sardinia, when he conquered that island during his praetorship.  He learnt Greek from Ennius there, and brought him to Rome on his return.  Ennius taught Greek at Rome for a long course of years, having M. Cato among his pupils.&lt;/ref&gt; But they only translated from the Greek, and if they composed anything of their own in Latin, it was only from what they had before read.  For although there are those who say that this Ennius published two books, one on &quot;Letters and Syllables,&quot; and the other on &quot;Metres,&quot; [[w:Lucius Aurelius Cotta|Lucius Cotta]] has satisfactorily proved that they are not the works of the poet Ennius, but of another writer of the same name, to whom also the treatise on the &quot;Rules of Augury&quot; is attributed.

===2===
[[w:Crates of Mallus|Crates of Mallos]],&lt;ref&gt;Mallos was near Tarsus, in Cilicia.  Crates was the son of [[w:Timocrates|Timocrates]], a Stoic philosopher, who for his critical skill had the surname of Homericus.&lt;/ref&gt; then, was, in our opinion, the first who introduced the study of grammar at Rome.  He was contemporary with [[w:Aristarchus|Aristarchus]],&lt;ref&gt;Aristarchus flourished at Alexandria, in the reign of [[w:Ptolemy Philometer|Ptolemy Philometer]], whose son he educated.&lt;/ref&gt;, and having been sent by king [[w:Attalus|Attalus]] as envoy to the senate in the interval between the second and third Punic wars,&lt;ref&gt;A.U.C. 535-602 or 605.&lt;/ref&gt; soon after the death of Ennius,&lt;ref&gt;Cicero [De Clar. Orat. c. xx., De Senect. c. v. 1] places the death of Ennius A.U.C. 584, for which there are other authorities; but this differs from the account given in a former note.&lt;/ref&gt; he had the misfortune to fall into an open sewer in the Palatine quarter of the city, and broke his leg. After which, during the whole period of his embassy and convalescence, he gave frequent lectures, taking much pains to instruct his hearers, and he has left us an example well worthy of imitation.  It was so far followed, that poems hitherto little known, the works either of deceased friends or other approved writers, were brought to light, and being read and commented on, were explained to others.  Thus, Caius Octavius Lampadio edited the Punic War of Naevius,&lt;ref&gt;The History of the first Punic War by [[w:Gnaeus Naevius|Naevius]] is mentioned by Cicero, De Senect, c. 14.&lt;/ref&gt; which having been written in one volume without any break in the manuscript, he divided into seven books. After that, Quintus Vargonteius undertook the Annals of Ennius, which he read on certain fixed days to crowded audiences.  So Laelius Archelaus, and Vectius Philocomus, read and commented on the Satires of their friend Lucilius,&lt;ref&gt;Lucilius, the poet, was born about A.U.C. 605.&lt;/ref&gt; which Lenaeus Pompeius, a freedman, tells us he studied under [[w:Archelaus|Archelaus]]; and Valerius Cato, under Philocomus.  Two others also taught and promoted grammar in various branches, namely, Lucius Aelius Lanuvinus, the son-in-law of Quintus Aelius, and Servius Claudius, both of whom were Roman knights, and men who rendered great services both to learning and the republic.

===3===
Lucius Aelius had a double cognomen, for he was called Praeconius, because his father was a herald; Stilo, because he was in the habit of composing orations for most of the speakers of highest rank; indeed, he was so strong a partisan of the nobles, that he accompanied [[w:Quintus Metellus Numidicus|Quintus Metellus Numidicus]]&lt;ref&gt;Q. Metellus obtained the surname of Numidicus, on his triumph over [[w:Jugurtha|Jugurtha]], A.U.C. 644.  Aelius, who was Varro's tutor, accompanied him to Rhodes or Smyrna, when he was unjustly banished, A.U.C. 653.&lt;/ref&gt; in his exile.  Servius&lt;ref&gt;Servius Claudius (also called Clodius) is commended by Cicero, Fam. Epist. ix. 16, and his singular death mentioned by [[Author:Pliny|Pliny]], xxv. 4.&lt;/ref&gt; having clandestinely obtained his father-in-law's book before it was published, was disowned for the fraud, which he took so much to heart, that, overwhelmed with shame and distress, he retired from Rome; and being seized with a fit of the gout, in his impatience, he applied a poisonous ointment to his feet, which half-killed him, so that his lower limbs mortified while he was still alive.  After this, more attention was paid to the science of letters, and it grew in public estimation, insomuch, that men of the highest rank did not hesitate in undertaking to write something on the subject; and it is related that sometimes there were no less than twenty celebrated scholars in Rome.  So high was the value, and so great were the rewards, of grammarians, that Lutatius Daphnides, jocularly called &quot;Pan's herd&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Daphnis|Daphnis]], a shepherd, the son of Mercury, was said to have been brought up by Pan.  The humorous turn given by Lenaeus to Lutatius's cognomen is not very clear.  Daphnides is the plural of Daphnis; therefore the herd or company, agaema; and Pan was the god of rustics, and the inventor of the rude music of the reed.&lt;/ref&gt; by Lenaeus Melissus, was purchased by Quintus Catullus for two hundred thousand sesterces, and shortly afterwards made a freedman; and that Lucius Apuleius, who was taken into the pay of Epicius Calvinus, a wealthy Roman knight, at the annual salary of ten thousand crowns, had many scholars.  Grammar also penetrated into the provinces, and some of the most eminent amongst the learned taught it in foreign parts, particularly in Gallia Togata.  In the number of these, we may reckon Octavius Teucer, Siscennius Jacchus, and Oppius Cares,&lt;ref&gt;Oppius Cares is said by [[w:Macrobius|Macrobius]] to have written a book on Forest Trees.&lt;/ref&gt; who persisted in teaching to a most advanced period of his life, at a time when he was not only unable to walk, but his sight failed.

===4===
The appellation of grammarian was borrowed from the Greeks; but at first, the Latins called such persons literati.  Cornelius Nepos, also, in his book, where he draws a distinction between a literate and a philologist, says that in common phrase, those are properly called literati who are skilled in speaking or writing with care or accuracy, and those more especially deserve the name who translated the poets, and were called grammarians by the Greeks.  It appears that they were named literators by Messala Corvinus, in one of his letters, when he says, &quot;that it does not refer to Furius Bibaculus, nor even to Sigida, nor to Cato, the literator,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Quintilian enumerates Bibaculus among the Roman poets in the same line with Catullus and Horace, Institut. x. 1.  Of Sigida we know nothing; even the name is supposed to be incorrectly given.  Apuleius mentions a Ticida, who is also noticed by Suetonius hereafter in [[#11|c. xi.]], where likewise he gives an account of Valerius Cato.&lt;/ref&gt; meaning, doubtless, that Valerius Cato was both a poet and an eminent grammarian.  Some there are who draw a distinction between a literati and a literator, as the Greeks do between a grammarian and a grammatist, applying the former term to men of real erudition, the latter to those whose pretensions to learning are moderate; and this opinion Orbilius supports by examples.  For he says that in old times, when a company of slaves was offered for sale by any person, it was not customary, without good reason, to describe either of them in the catalogue as a literati, but only as a literator, meaning that he was not a proficient in letters, but had a smattering of knowledge.

The early grammarians taught rhetoric also, and we have many of their treatises which include both sciences; whence it arose, I think, that in later times, although the two professions had then become distinct, the old custom was retained, or the grammarians introduced into their teaching some of the elements required for public speaking, such as the problem, the periphrasis, the choice of words, description of character, and the like; in order that they might not transfer their pupils to the rhetoricians no better than ill-taught boys.  But I perceive that these lessons are now given up in some cases, on account of the want of application, or the tender years, of the scholar, for I do not believe that it arises from any dislike in the master.  I recollect that when I was a boy it was the custom of one of these, whose name was Princeps, to take alternate days for declaiming and disputing; and sometimes he would lecture in the morning, and declaim in the afternoon, when he had his pulpit removed.  I heard, also, that even within the memories of our own fathers, some of the pupils of the grammarians passed directly from the schools to the courts, and at once took a high place in the ranks of the most distinguished advocates.  The professors at that time were, indeed, men of great eminence, of some of whom I may be able to give an account in the following chapters.

===5===
'''[[w:Saevius Nicanor|Saevius]]'''&lt;ref&gt;Probably Suevius, of whom Macrobius informs us that he was the learned author of an Idyll, which had the title of the Mulberry Grove; observing, that &quot;the peach which Suevius reckons as a species of the nuts, rather belongs to the tribe of apples.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; '''Nicanor''' first acquired fame and reputation by his teaching: and, besides, he made commentaries, the greater part of which, however, are said to have been borrowed.  He also wrote a satire, in which he informs us that he was a freedman, and had a double cognomen, in the following verses;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Saevius Nicanor Marci libertus negabit,''
''Saevius Posthumius idem, sed Marcus, docebit.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
What Saevius Nicanor, the freedman of Marcus, will deny,
The same Saevius, called also Posthumius Marcus, will assert.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is reported, that in consequence of some infamy attached to his character, he retired to Sardinia, and there ended his days.

===6===
'''Aurelius Opilius''',&lt;ref&gt;Aurelius Opilius is mentioned by [[w:Symmachus|Symmachus]] and [[w:Gellius|Gellius]].  His cotemporary and friend, [[w:Publius Rutilius Rufus|Rutilius Rufus]], having been a military tribune under Scipio in the [[w:Numantine War|Numantine war]], wrote a history of it.  He was consul A.U.C. 648, and unjustly banished, to the general grief of the people, A.U.C. 659.&lt;/ref&gt; the freedman of some Epicurean, first taught philosophy, then rhetoric, and last of all, grammar.  Having closed his school, he followed Rutilius Rufus, when he was banished to Asia, and there the two friends grew old together.  He also wrote several volumes on a variety of learned topics, nine books of which he distinguished by the number and names of the nine Muses; as he says, not without reason, they being the patrons of authors and poets.  I observe that its title is given in several indexes by a single letter, but he uses two in the heading of a book called Pinax.

===7===
'''[[w:Marcus Antonius Gnipho|Marcus Antonius Gnipho]]''',&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Quintillian|Quintilian]] mentions Gnipho, Instit. i. 6.  We find that Cicero was among his pupils.  The date of his praetorship, given below, fixes the time when Gnipho flourished.&lt;/ref&gt; a free-born native of Gaul, was exposed in his infancy, and afterwards received his freedom from his foster-father; and, as some say, was educated at Alexandria, where Dionysius Scytobrachion&lt;ref&gt;This strange cognomen is supposed to have been derived from a cork arm, which supplied the place of one Dionysius had lost.  He was a poet of [[w:Mitylene|Mitylene]].&lt;/ref&gt; was his fellow pupil.  This, however, I am not very ready to believe, as the times at which they flourished scarcely agree.  He is said to have been a man of great genius, of singular memory, well read in Greek as well as Latin, and of a most obliging and agreeable temper, who never haggled about remuneration, but generally left it to the liberality of his scholars.  He first taught in the house of [[Author:Gaius Julius Caesar|Julius Caesar]],&lt;ref&gt;See before, JULIUS, c. xlvi.&lt;/ref&gt; when the latter was yet but a boy, and, afterwards, in his own private house.  He gave instruction in rhetoric also, teaching the rules of eloquence every day, but declaiming only on festivals.  It is said that some very celebrated men frequented his school,&amp;mdash;and, among others, [[Author:Cicero|Marcus Cicero]], during the time he held the praetorship.&lt;ref&gt;A.U.C. 687.&lt;/ref&gt; He wrote a number of works, although he did not live beyond his fiftieth year; but Atteius, the philologist,&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius gives his life in [[#10|c. x.]]&lt;/ref&gt; says, that he left only two volumes, &quot;De Latino Sermone;&quot; and, that the other works ascribed to him, were composed by his disciples, and were not his, although his name is sometimes to be found in them.

===8===
'''M. Pompilius Andronicus''', a native of Syria, while he professed to be a grammarian, was considered an idle follower of the Epicurean sect, and little qualified to be a master of a school.  Finding, therefore, that, at Rome, not only Antonius Gnipho, but even other teachers of less note were preferred to him, he retired to Cumae, where he lived at his ease; and, though he wrote several books, he was so needy, and reduced to such straits, as to be compelled to sell that excellent little work of his, &quot;The Index to the Annals,&quot; for sixteen thousand sesterces.  Orbilius has informed us, that he redeemed this work from the oblivion into which it had fallen, and took care to have it published with the author's name.

===9===
'''[[w:Lucius Orbilius Pupillus|Orbilius Pupillus]]''', of Beneventum, being left an orphan, by the death of his parents, who both fell a sacrifice to the plots of their enemies on the same day, acted, at first, as apparitor to the magistrates.  He then joined the troops in Macedonia, when he was first decorated with the plumed helmet,&lt;ref&gt;A grade of inferior officers in the Roman armies, of which we have no very exact idea.&lt;/ref&gt; and, afterwards, promoted to serve on horseback. Having completed his military service, he resumed his studies, which he had pursued with no small diligence from his youth upwards; and, having been a professor for a long period in his own country, at last, during the consulship of Cicero, made his way to Rome, where he taught with more reputation than profit.  For in one of his works he says, that &quot;he was then very old, and lived in a garret.&quot;  He also published a book with the title of Perialogos; containing complaints of the injurious treatment to which professors submitted, without seeking redress at the hands of parents.  His sour temper betrayed itself, not only in his disputes with the sophists opposed to him, whom he lashed on every occasion, but also towards his scholars, as Horace tells us, who calls him &quot;a flogger;&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Horace speaks feelingly on the subject:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Memini quae plagosum mihi parvo''
''Orbilium tractare.''  Epist. xi. i. 70.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
I remember well when I was young,
How old Orbilius thwacked me at my tasks.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and [[w:Domitius Marsus|Domitius Marsus]],&lt;ref&gt;Domitius Marsus wrote epigrams.  He is mentioned by Ovid and Martial.&lt;/ref&gt; who says of him:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Si quos Orbilius ferula scuticaque cecidit.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''If those Orbilius with rod or ferule thrashed.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And not even men of rank escaped his sarcasms; for, before he became noticed, happening to be examined as a witness in a crowded court, Varro, the advocate on the other side, put the question to him, &quot;What he did and by what profession he gained his livelihood?&quot;  He replied, &quot;That he lived by removing hunchbacks from the sunshine into the shade,&quot; alluding to [[w:Lucius Licinius Murena|Muraena]]'s deformity.  He lived till he was near a hundred years old; but he had long lost his memory, as the verse of Bibaculus informs us:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Orbilius ubinam est, literarum oblivio?''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Where is Orbilius now, that wreck of learning lost?
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His statue is shown in the Capitol at Beneventum.  It stands on the left hand, and is sculptured in marble,&lt;ref&gt;This is not the only instance mentioned by Suetonius of statues erected to learned men in the place of their birth or celebrity. Orbilius, as a schoolmaster, was represented in a sitting posture, and with the gown of the Greek philosophers.&lt;/ref&gt; representing him in a sitting posture, wearing the pallium, with two writing-cases in his hand.  He left a son, named also Orbilius, who, like his father, was a professor of grammar.

===10===
'''Atteius, the Philologist''', a freedman, was born at Athens.  Of him, Capito Atteius,&lt;ref&gt;Tacitus [[[The Annals (Tacitus)|Annal.]] cxi. 75] gives the character of Atteius Capito. He was consul A.U.C. 758.&lt;/ref&gt; the well-known jurisconsult, says that he was a rhetorician among the grammarians, and a grammarian among the rhetoricians.  [[w:Asinius Pollio|Asinius Pollio]],&lt;ref&gt;Asinius Pollio; see JULIUS, c. xxx.&lt;/ref&gt; in the book in which he finds fault with the writings of Sallust for his great affectation of obsolete words, speaks thus: &quot;In this work his chief assistant was a certain Atteius, a man of rank, a splendid Latin grammarian, the aider and preceptor of those who studied the practice of declamation; in short, one who claimed for himself the cognomen of Philologus.&quot;  Writing to Lucius Hermas, he says, &quot;that he had made great proficiency in Greek literature, and some in Latin; that he had been a hearer of Antonius Gnipho, and his Hermas,&lt;ref&gt;Whether Hermas was the son or scholar of Gnipho, does not appear.&lt;/ref&gt; and afterwards began to teach others.  Moreover, that he had for pupils many illustrious youths, among whom were the two brothers, Appius and Pulcher Claudius; and that he even accompanied them to their province.&quot;  He appears to have assumed the name of Philologus, because, like [[Author:Eratosthenes|Eratosthenes]],&lt;ref&gt;Eratosthenes, an Athenian philosopher, flourished in Egypt, under three of the [[Author:Ptolemy|Ptolemies]] successively.  Strabo often mentions him.  See xvii. p. 576.&lt;/ref&gt; who first adopted that cognomen, he was in high repute for his rich and varied stores of learning; which, indeed, is evident from his commentaries, though but few of them are extant. Another letter, however, to the same Hermas, shews that they were very numerous: &quot;Remember,&quot; it says, &quot;to recommend generally our Extracts, which we have collected, as you know, of all kinds, into eight hundred books.&quot;  He afterwards formed an intimate acquaintance with Caius Sallustius, and, on his death, with Asinius Pollio; and when they undertook to write a history, he supplied the one with short annals of all Roman affairs, from which he could select at pleasure; and the other, with rules on the art of composition.  I am, therefore, surprised that Asinius Pollio should have supposed that he was in the habit of collecting old words and figures of speech for Sallust, when he must have known that his own advice was, that none but well known, and common and appropriate expressions should be made use of; and that, above all things, the obscurity of the style of Sallust, and his bold freedom in translations, should be avoided.

===11===
'''Valerius Cato''' was, as some have informed us, the freedman of one Bursenus, a native of Gaul.  He himself tells us, in his little work called &quot;Indignatio,&quot; that he was born free, and being left an orphan, was exposed to be easily stripped of his patrimony during the licence of Sylla's administrations.  He had a great number of distinguished pupils, and was highly esteemed as a preceptor suited to those who had a poetical turn, as appears from these short lines:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Cato grammaticus, Latina Siren,''
''Qui solus legit ac facit poetas.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Cato, the Latin Siren, grammar taught and verse,
To form the poet skilled, and poetry rehearse.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Besides his Treatise on Grammar, he composed some poems, of which, his [[w:Lydia|Lydia]] and [[w:Diana|Diana]] are most admired.  Ticida mentions his &quot;Lydia.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Lydia, doctorum maxima cura liber.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
&quot;Lydia,&quot; a work to men of learning dear.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cinna&lt;ref&gt;[[w:Helvius Cinna|Cornelius Helvius Cinna]] was an epigrammatic poet, of the same age as Catullus.  Ovid mentions him, [[Tristia]], xi. 435.&lt;/ref&gt; thus notices the &quot;Diana.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Secula permaneat nostri Diana Catonis.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Immortal be our Cato's song of Dian.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He lived to extreme old age, but in the lowest state of penury, and almost in actual want; having retired to a small cottage when he gave up his Tusculan villa to his creditors; as Bibaculus tells us:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Si quis forte mei domum Catonis,''
''Depictas minio assulas, et illos''
''Custodis vidit hortulos Priapi,''
''Miratur, quibus ille disciplinis,''
''Tantam sit sapientiam assecutus,''
''Quam tres cauliculi et selibra farris;''
''Racemi duo, tegula sub una,''
''Ad summam prope nutriant senectam.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;If, perchance, any one has seen the house of my Cato, with marble slabs of the richest hues, and his gardens worthy of having [[w:Priapus|Priapus]]&lt;ref&gt;Priapus was worshipped as the protector of gardens.&lt;/ref&gt; for their guardian, he may well wonder by what philosophy he has gained so much wisdom, that a daily allowance of three coleworts, half-a-pound of meal, and two bunches of grapes, under a narrow roof, should serve for his subsistence to extreme old age.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And he says in another place:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Catonis modo, Galle, Tusculanum''
''Tota creditor urbe venditahat.''
''Mirati sumus unicum magistrum,''
''Summum grammaticum, optimum poetam,''
''Omnes solvere posse quaestiones,''
''Unum difficile expedire nomen.''
''En cor Zenodoti, en jecur Cratetis!''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;We lately saw, my Gallus, Cato's Tusculan villa exposed to public sale by his creditors; and wondered that such an unrivalled master of the schools, most eminent grammarian, and accomplished poet, could solve all propositions and yet found one question too difficult for him to settle,&amp;mdash;how to pay his debts.  We find in him the genius of [[w:Zenodotus|Zenodotus]],&lt;ref&gt;Zenodotus, the grammarian, was librarian to the first Ptolemy at Alexandria, and tutor to his sons.&lt;/ref&gt; the wisdom of Crates.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;For Crates, see before, p. 507.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===12===
'''Cornelius Epicadius''', a freedman of [[w:Lucius Cornelius Sulla|Lucius Cornelius Sylla]], the dictator, was his apparitor in the Augural priesthood, and much beloved by his son [[w:Faustus|Faustus]]; so that he was proud to call himself the freedman of both.  He completed the last book of Sylla's Commentaries, which his patron had left unfinished.&lt;ref&gt;We find from Plutarch that Sylla was employed two days before his death, in completing the twenty-second book of his Commentaries; and, foreseeing his fate, entrusted them to the care of Lucullus, who, with the assistance of Epicadius, corrected and arranged them.  Epicadius also wrote on Heroic verse, and Cognomina.&lt;/ref&gt;

===13===
'''Laberius Hiera''' was bought by his master out of a slave-dealer's cage, and obtained his freedom on account of his devotion to learning. It is reported that his disinterestedness was such, that he gave gratuitous instruction to the children of those who were proscribed in the time of Sylla.

===14===
'''Curtius Nicia''' was the intimate friend of [[w:Gnaeus Pompeius|Cneius Pompeius]] and [[w:Gaius Memmius|Caius Memmius]]; but having carried notes from Memmius to Pompey's wife,&lt;ref&gt;Plutarch, in his Life of Caesar, speaks of the loose conduct of [[w:Mucia|Mucia]], Pompey's wife, during her husband's absence.&lt;/ref&gt; when she was debauched by Memmius, Pompey was indignant, and forbad him his house.  He was also on familiar terms with Marcus Cicero, who thus speaks of him in his epistle to [[w:Publius Cornelius Dolabella|Dolabella]]:&lt;ref&gt;Fam. Epist. 9.&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;I have more need of receiving letters from you, than you have of desiring them from me.  For there is nothing going on at Rome in which I think you would take any interest, except, perhaps, that you may like to know that I am appointed umpire between our friends Nicias and [[w:Vidius|Vidius]].  The one, it appears, alleges in two short verses that Nicias owes him money; the other, like an Aristarchus, cavils at them.  I, like an old critic, am to decide whether they are Nicias's or spurious.&quot;

Again, in a letter to [[w:Herodes Atticus|Atticus]],&lt;ref&gt;Cicero ad Att. xii. 36.&lt;/ref&gt; he says: &quot;As to what you write about Nicias, nothing could give me greater pleasure than to have him with me, if I was in a position to enjoy his society; but my province is to me a place of retirement and solitude.  Sicca easily reconciled himself to this state of things, and, therefore, I would prefer having him. Besides, you are well aware of the feebleness, and the nice and luxurious habits, of our friend Nicias.  Why should I be the means of making him uncomfortable, when he can afford me no pleasure?  At the same time, I value his goodwill.&quot;

===15===
'''Lenaeus''' was a freedman of Pompey the Great, and attended him in most of his expeditions.  On the death of his patron and his sons, he supported himself by teaching in a school which he opened near the temple of Tellus, in the Carium, in the quarter of the city where the house of the Pompeys stood.&lt;ref&gt;See before, AUGUSTUS, c. v.&lt;/ref&gt; Such was his regard for his patron's memory, that when Sallust described him as having a brazen face, and a shameless mind, he lashed the historian in a most bitter satire,&lt;ref&gt;Lenaeus was not singular in his censure of Sallust.  [[w:Lactanius|Lactantius]], 11. 12, gives him an infamous character; and Horace says of him,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Libertinarum dico; Sallustius in quas''
''Non minus insanit; quam qui moechatur.''&amp;mdash;Sat. i. 2. 48.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; as &quot;a bull's-pizzle, a gormandizer, a braggart, and a tippler, a man whose life and writings were equally monstrous;&quot; besides charging him with being &quot;a most unskilful plagiarist, who borrowed the language of Cato and other old writers.&quot;  It is related, that, in his youth, having escaped from slavery by the contrivance of some of his friends, he took refuge in his own country; and, that after he had applied himself to the liberal arts, he brought the price of his freedom to his former master, who, however, struck by his talents and learning, gave him manumission gratuitously.

===16===
'''[[w:Quintus Caecilius Epirota|Quintus Caecilius]]''', an Epirot by descent, but born at Tusculum, was a freedman of Atticus Satrius, a Roman knight, to whom Cicero addressed his Epistles.&lt;ref&gt;The name of the well known Roman knight, to whom Cicero addressed his Epistles, was [[w:Titus Pomponius Atticus|Titus Pomponius Atticus]].  Although Satrius was the name of a family at Rome, no connection between it and Atticus can be found, so that the text is supposed to be corrupt.  Quintus Caecilius was an uncle of Atticus, and adopted him.  The freedman mentioned in this chapter probably assumed his name, he having been the property of Caecilius; as it was the custom for freedmen to adopt the names of their patrons.&lt;/ref&gt; He became the tutor of his patron's daughter,&lt;ref&gt;Suetonius, TIBERIUS, c. viii.  Her name was [[w:Pomponia#Sister of Titus Pomponius Atticus|Pomponia]].&lt;/ref&gt; who was contracted to Marcus Agrippa, but being suspected of an illicit intercourse with her, and sent away on that account, he betook himself to [[w:Cornelius Gallus|Cornelius Gallus]], and lived with him on terms of the greatest intimacy, which, indeed, was imputed to Gallus as one of his heaviest offences, by Augustus.  Then, after the condemnation and death of Gallus,&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, c. lxvi.&lt;/ref&gt; he opened a school, but had few pupils, and those very young, nor any belonging to the higher orders, excepting the children of those he could not refuse to admit.  He was the first, it is said, who held disputations in Latin, and who began to lecture on Virgil and the other modern poets; which the verse of [Domitius Marcus&lt;ref&gt;He is mentioned before, [[#9|c. ix.]]&lt;/ref&gt; points out.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Epirota tenellorum nutricula vatum.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
:The Epirot who,
With tender care, our unfledged poets nursed.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===17===
'''[[w:Verrius Flaccus|Verrius Flaccus]]''',&lt;ref&gt;Verrius Flaccus is mentioned by St. Jerome, in conjunction with [[w:Athenodorus Cordylion|Athenodorus of Tarsus]], a Stoic philosopher, to have flourished A.M.C. 2024, which is A.U.C. 759; A.D. 9.  He is also praised by [[w:Aulus Gellius|Gellius]], Macrobius, [[Author:Pliny the Elder|Pliny]], and [[w:Priscian|Priscian]].&lt;/ref&gt; a freedman, distinguished himself by a new mode of teaching; for it was his practice to exercise the wits of his scholars, by encouraging emulation among them; not only proposing the subjects on which they were to write, but offering rewards for those who were successful in the contest.  These consisted of some ancient, handsome, or rare book.  Being, in consequence, selected by Augustus, as preceptor to his grandsons, he transferred his entire school to the [[w:Palatium|Palatium]], but with the understanding that he should admit no fresh scholars.  The hall in Catiline's house, which had then been added to the palace, was assigned him for his school, with a yearly allowance of one hundred thousand sesterces.  He died of old age, in the reign of Tiberius.  There is a statue of him at Praeneste, in the semi-circle at the lower side of the forum, where he had set up calendars arranged by himself, and inscribed on slabs of marble.

===18===
'''Lucius Crassitius''', a native of Tarentum, and in rank a freedman, had the cognomen of Pasides, which he afterwards changed for Pansa.  His first employment was connected with the stage, and his business was to assist the writers of farces.  After that, he took to giving lessons in a gallery attached to a house, until his commentary on &quot;The Smyrna&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Cinna wrote a poem, which he called &quot;Smyrna,&quot; and was nine years in composing, as Catullus informs us, 93. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; so brought him into notice, that the following lines were written on him:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Uni Crassitio se credere Smyrna probavit.''
''Desinite indocti, conjugio hanc petere.''
''Soli Crassitio se dixit nubere velle:''
''Intima cui soli nota sua exstiterint.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Crassitius only counts on Smyrna's love,
Fruitless the wooings of the unlettered prove;
Crassitius she receives with loving arms,
For he alone unveiled her hidden charms.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, after having taught many scholars, some of whom were of high rank, and amongst others, Julius Antonius, the triumvir's son, so that he might be even compared with Verrius Flaccus; he suddenly closed his school, and joined the sect of Quintus Septimius, the philosopher.

===19===
'''Scribonius Aphrodisius''', the slave and disciple of Orbilius, who was afterwards redeemed and presented with his freedom by Scribonia,&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, cc. lxii. lxix.&lt;/ref&gt; the daughter of Libo who had been the wife of Augustus, taught in the time of Verrius; whose books on Orthography he also revised, not without some severe remarks on his pursuits and conduct.

===20===
'''C. Julius Hyginus,''' a freedman of Augustus, was a native of Spain, (although some say he was born at Alexandria,) and that when that city was taken, Caesar brought him, then a boy, to Rome.  He closely and carefully imitated Cornelius Alexander,&lt;ref&gt;Cornelius Alexander, who had also the name of Polyhistor, was born at Miletus, and being taken prisoner, and bought by Cornelius, was brought to Rome, and becoming his teacher, had his freedom given him, with the name of his patron.  He flourished in the time of Sylla, and composed a great number of works; amongst which were five books on Rome. Suetonius has already told us [AUGUSTUS, xxix.] that he had the care of the Palatine Library.&lt;/ref&gt; a Greek grammarian, who, for his antiquarian knowledge, was called by many Polyhistor, and by some History.  He had the charge of the Palatine library, but that did not prevent him from having many scholars; and he was one of the most intimate friends of the poet Ovid, and of Caius Licinius, the historian, a man of consular rank,&lt;ref&gt;No such consul as Caius Licinius appears in the Fasti; and it is supposed to be a mistake for C. Atinius, who was the colleague of Cn. Domitius Calvinus, A.U.C. 713, and wrote a book on the Civil War.&lt;/ref&gt; who has related that Hyginus died very poor, and was supported by his liberality as long as he lived.  Julius Modestus,&lt;ref&gt;Julius Modestus, in whom the name of the Julian family was still preserved, is mentioned with approbation by Gellius, Martial, Quintilian, and others.&lt;/ref&gt; who was a freedman of Hyginus, followed the footsteps of his patron in his studies and learning.

===21===
'''Caius Melissus''',&lt;ref&gt;Melissus is mentioned by Ovid, De Pontif. iv 16-30.&lt;/ref&gt; a native of Spoletum, was free-born, but
having been exposed by his parents in consequence of quarrels between them, he received a good education from his foster-father, by whose care and industry he was brought up, and was made a present of to Mecaenas, as a grammarian.  Finding himself valued and treated as a friend, he preferred to continue in his state of servitude, although he was claimed by his mother, choosing rather his present condition than that which his real origin entitled him to.  In consequence, his freedom was speedily given him, and he even became a favourite with Augustus.  By his appointment he was made curator of the library in the portico of Octavia;&lt;ref&gt;See AUGUSTUS, c. xxix. p. 93, and note.&lt;/ref&gt; and, as he himself informs us, undertook to compose, when he was a sexagenarian, his books of &quot;Witticisms,&quot; which are now called &quot;The Book of Jests.&quot;  Of these he accomplished one hundred and fifty, to which he afterwards added several more.  He (521) also composed a new kind of story about those who wore the toga, and called it &quot;Trabeat.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;The trabea was a white robe, with a purple border, of a different fashion from the toga.&lt;/ref&gt;

===22===
'''Marcus Pomponius Marcellus''', a very severe critic of the Latin tongue, who sometimes pleaded causes, in a certain address on the plaintiff's behalf, persisted in charging his adversary with making a solecism, until Cassius Severus appealed to the judges to grant an adjournment until his client should produce another grammarian, as he was not prepared to enter into a controversy respecting a solecism, instead of defending his client's rights.  On another occasion, when he had found fault with some expression in a speech made by Tiberius, Atteius Capito&lt;ref&gt;See CLAUDIUS, c. x1i. and note.&lt;/ref&gt; affirmed, &quot;that if it was not Latin, at least it would be so in time to come;&quot; &quot;Capito is wrong,&quot; cried Marcellus; &quot;it is certainly in your power, Caesar, to confer the freedom of the city on whom you please, but you cannot make words for us.&quot;  Asinius Gallus&lt;ref&gt;See before, [[#10|c. x]].&lt;/ref&gt; tells us that he was formerly a pugilist, in the following epigram.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
''Qui caput ad laevam deicit, glossemata nobis''
''Praecipit; os nullum, vel potius pugilis.''
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;poem&gt;
Who ducked his head, to shun another's fist,
Though he expound old saws,&amp;mdash;yet, well I wist,
With pummelled nose and face, he's but a pugilist.
&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

===23===
'''Remmius Palaemon''',&lt;ref&gt;Remmius Palaemon appears to have been cotemporary with Pliny and Quintilian, who speak highly of him.&lt;/ref&gt; of Vicentia,&lt;ref&gt;Now Vicenza.&lt;/ref&gt; the offspring of a bond-woman, acquired the rudiments of learning, first as the companion of a  weaver's, and then of his master's, son, at school.  Being afterwards made free, he taught at Rome, where he stood highest in the rank of the grammarians; but he was so infamous for every sort of vice, that Tiberius and his successor Claudius publicly denounced him as an improper person to have the education of boys and young men entrusted to him.  Still, his powers of narrative and agreeable style of speaking made him very popular; besides which, he had the gift of making extempore verses.  He also wrote a great many in various and uncommon metres.  His insolence was such, that he called Marcus Varro &quot;a hog;&quot; and bragged that &quot;letters were born and would perish with him;&quot; and that &quot;his name was not introduced inadvertently in the Bucolics,&lt;ref&gt;&quot;Audiat haec tantum vel qui venit, ecce, Palaemon.&quot;&amp;mdash;Eccl. iii. 50.&lt;/ref&gt; as Virgil divined that a Palaemon would some day be the judge of all poets and poems.&quot;  He also boasted, that having once fallen into the hands of robbers, they spared him on account of the celebrity his name had acquired.

He was so luxurious, that he took the bath many times in a day; nor did his means suffice for his extravagance, although his school brought him in forty thousand sesterces yearly, and he received not much less from his private estate, which he managed with great care.  He also kept a broker's shop for the sale of old clothes; and it is well known that a vine,&lt;ref&gt;All the editions have the word vitem; but we might conjecture, from the large produce, that it is a mistake for vineam, a vineyard: in which case the word vasa might be rendered, not bottles, but casks.  The amphora held about nine gallons.  Pliny mentions that Remmius bought a farm near the turning on the Nomentan road, at the tenth mile-stone from Rome.&lt;/ref&gt; he planted himself, yielded three hundred and fifty bottles of wine.  But the greatest of all his vices was his unbridled licentiousness in his commerce with women, which he carried to the utmost pitch of foul indecency.&lt;ref&gt;&quot;Usque ad infamiam oris.&quot;&amp;mdash;See TIBERIUS, p. 220, and the notes.&lt;/ref&gt; They tell a droll story of some one who met him in a crowd, and upon his offering to kiss him, could not escape the salute, &quot;Master,&quot; said he, &quot;do you want to mouth every one you meet with in a hurry?&quot;

===24===
'''Marcus Valerius Probus''', of Berytus,&lt;ref&gt;Now Beyrout, on the coast of Syria.  It was one of the colonies founded by Julius Caesar when he transported 80,000 Roman citizens to foreign parts.&amp;mdash;JULIUS, xlii.&lt;/ref&gt; after long aspiring to the rank of centurion, being at last tired of waiting, devoted himself to study.  He had met with some old authors at a bookseller's shop in the provinces, where the memory of ancient times still lingers, and is not quite forgotten, as it is at Rome.  Being anxious carefully to reperuse these, and afterwards to make acquaintance with other works of the same kind, he found himself an object of contempt, and was laughed at for his lectures, instead of their gaining him fame or profit.  Still, however, he persisted in his purpose, and employed himself in correcting, illustrating, and adding notes to many works which he had collected, his labours being confined to the province of a grammarian, and nothing more. He had, properly speaking, no scholars, but some few followers.  For he never taught in such a way as to maintain the character of a master; but was in the habit of admitting one or two, perhaps at most three or four, disciples in the afternoon; and while he lay at ease and chatted freely on ordinary topics, he occasionally read some book to them, but that did not often happen.  He published a few slight treatises on some subtle questions, besides which, he left a large collection of observations on the language of the ancients.

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== Collections of ancient poetry ==
* [[Ancient Egyptian Love Poems]]
* ''[[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)|Masterpieces of Greek Literature]]'' {{small scan link|Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902).djvu}}
* [[Translation:The poems of Catullus|The poems of Catullus]]
* [[The Poems of Sappho]]
* [[Portal:Appendix Vergiliana]]
* '''[[Portal:Odes of Pindar]]'''

==Poems by title==
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=== A ===
* [[Aeneid]]
* [[Anacreontea]]

=== B ===
* [[Translation:Ballad of Mulan|Ballad of Mulan]]
* [[Batrachomyomachia]], ''Battle of the Frogs and Mice''
* [[Baucis and Philemon (Wikisource)|Baucis and Philemon]], Wikisource translation

=== C ===
* [[Carmina]]

=== D ===
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Simonides of Ceos#70|Danaë and her Babe adrift]]
* [[The Phenomena and Diosemeia of Aratus/Diosemeia|Diosemeia]]

=== E ===
* [[Eclogues (Virgil)|Eclogues]]

=== G ===
* [[Georgics]]
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Sappho#A girl in love|A Girl in Love]]

=== H ===
* [[Author:Publius Aelius Hadrianus Augustus|Hadrian's]] [[Adrian's Address to His Soul When Dying|Address to His Soul When Dying]]
* [[The Hymn of Cleanthes]]
* [[Hymn to Ares]]
* [[Hymn to Demeter]]
* [[Hymn to Dionysus]]
* [[Hymn to Venus (Sappho)|Hymn to Venus]]

=== I ===
* [[The Iliad|Iliad]], Homer
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Sappho#Inter ignes luna minores|Inter Ignes Luna Minores]]

=== L ===
* [[A Lament for Adonis]]

=== M ===
* [[Marius]]
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Tyrtaeus|Martial Elegy]]
* [[Metamorphoses]]

=== O ===
* [[The Odyssey|Odyssey]], Homer
* [[On his Consulship]]
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Simonides of Ceos#71|On those who died at Thermopylae]]
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Sappho#One girl|One Girl]]

=== P ===
* [[Psalms (Bible)|Psalms]] (Bible)
* [[The Phenomena and Diosemeia of Aratus/Phenomena|Phenomena]]

=== S ===
* [[Satires (Horace)|Satires]], Horace
* [[Shield of Herakles]]
* [[Prometheus Bound, and other poems/Song of the Rose|Song of the Rose]]
* [[Song of Songs (Bible)|Song of Songs]] (Bible)

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* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Sappho#To evening|To Evening]]
* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Archilochus|To His Soul]]

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* [[Masterpieces of Greek Literature (1902)/Alcaeus|Winter]]

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* [[Portal:Ancient Greek drama]]
* [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]]
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==Works==
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ACT I.  SCENE I.

SCENE, Peachum's House.

Peachum sitting at a Table with a large Book of Accounts before him.

AIR I.  An old Woman clothed in Gray, &amp;c.

Through all the Employments of Life
Each Neighbour abuses his Brother;
Whore and Rogue they call Husband and Wife:
All Professions be-rogue one another:
The Priest calls the Lawyer a Cheat,
The Lawyer be-knaves the Divine:
And the Statesman, because he's so great,
Thinks his Trade as honest as mine.

A Lawyer is an honest Employment, so is mine.  Like me too he acts in 
a double Capacity, both against Rogues and for 'em; for 'tis but 
fitting that we should protect and encourage Cheats, since we live by 
them.

[Enter Filch.]

FILCH.  Sir, Black Moll hath sent word her Trial comes on in the 
Afternoon, and she hopes you will order Matters so as to bring her 
off.

PEACHUM.  As the Wench is very active and industrious, you may 
satisfy her that I'll soften the Evidence.

FILCH.  Tom Gagg, Sir, is found guilty.

PEACHUM.  A lazy Dog!  When I took him the time before, I told him 
what he would come to if he did not mend his Hand.  This is Death 
without Reprieve.  I may venture to Book him [writes.]  For Tom Gagg, 
forty Pounds.  Let Betty Sly know that I'll save her from 
Transportation, for I can get more by her staying in England.

FILCH.  Betty hath brought more Goods into our Lock to-year than any 
five of the Gang; and in truth, 'tis a pity to lose so good a 
Customer.

PEACHUM.  If none of the Gang take her off, she may, in the common 
course of Business, live a Twelve-month longer.  I love to let Women 
scape.  A good Sportsman always lets the Hen Partridges fly, because 
the Breed of the Game depends upon them.  Besides, here the Law 
allows us no Reward; there is nothing to be got by the Death of 
Women--except our Wives.

FILCH.  Without dispute, she is a fine Woman!  'Twas to her I was 
obliged for my Education, and (to say a bold Word) she hath trained 
up more young Fellows to the Business than the Gaming table.

PEACHUM.  Truly, Filch, thy Observation is right.  We and the 
Surgeons are more beholden to Women than all the Professions besides.

AIR II.  The bonny gray-ey'd Morn, &amp;c.

FILCH.  'Tis Woman that seduces all Mankind,
By her we first were taught the wheedling Arts:
Her very Eyes can cheat; when most she's kind,
She tricks us of our Money with our Hearts.
For her, like Wolves by Night we roam for Prey,
And practise ev'ry Fraud to bribe her Charms;
For Suits of Love, like Law, are won by Pay,
And Beauty must be fee'd into our Arms.

PEACHUM.  But make haste to Newgate, Boy, and let my Friends know 
what I intend; for I love to make them easy one way or other.

FILCH.  When a Gentleman is long kept in suspence, Penitence may 
break his Spirit ever after.  Besides, Certainty gives a Man a good 
Air upon his Trial, and makes him risk another without Fear or 
Scruple.  But I'll away, for 'tis a Pleasure to be the Messenger of 
Comfort to Friends in Affliction.

[Exit Filch.]

PEACHUM.  But 'tis now high time to look about me for a decent 
Execution against next Sessions.  I hate a lazy Rogue, by whom one 
can get nothing 'till he is hang'd.  A Register of the Gang, 
[Reading.]  Crook-finger'd Jack.  A Year and a half in the Service; 
Let me see how much the Stock owes to his industry; one, two, three, 
four, five Gold Watches, and seven Silver ones.  A mighty clean-
handed Fellow!  Sixteen Snuff-boxes, five of them of true Gold.  Six 
Dozen of Handkerchiefs, four silver-hilted Swords, half a Dozen of 
Shirts, three Tye-Periwigs, and a Piece of Broad-Cloth.  Considering 
these are only the Fruits of his leisure Hours, I don't know a 
prettier Fellow, for no Man alive hath a more engaging Presence of 
Mind upon the Road.  Wat Dreary, alias Brown Will, an irregular Dog, 
who hath an underhand way of disposing of his Goods.  I'll try him 
only for a Sessions or two longer upon his Good-behaviour.  Harry 
Paddington, a poor petty-larceny Rascal, without the least Genius; 
that Fellow, though he were to live these six Months, will never come 
to the Gallows with any Credit.  Slippery Sam; he goes off the next 
Sessions, for the Villain hath the Impudence to have Views of 
following his Trade as a Tailor, which he calls an honest Employment.  
Mat of the Mint; listed not above a Month ago, a promising sturdy 
Fellow, and diligent in his way; somewhat too bold and hasty, and may 
raise good Contributions on the Public, if he does not cut himself 
short by Murder.  Tom Tipple, a guzzling soaking Sot, who is always 
too drunk to stand himself, or to make others stand.  A Cart is 
absolutely necessary for him.  Robin of Bagshot, alias Gorgon, alias 
Bluff Bob, alias Carbuncle, alias Bob Booty.

[Enter Mrs. Peachum.]

MRS. PEACHUM.  What of Bob Booty, Husband?  I hope nothing bad hath 
betided him.  You know, my Dear, he's a favourite Customer of mine.  
'Twas he made me a present of this Ring.

PEACHUM.  I have set his Name down in the Black List, that's all, my 
Dear; he spends his Life among Women, and as soon as his Money is 
gone, one or other of the Ladies will hang him for the Reward, and 
there's forty Pound lost to us for-ever.

MRS. PEACHUM.  You know, my Dear, I never meddle in matters of Death; 
I always leave those Affairs to you.  Women indeed are bitter bad 
Judges in these cases, for they are so partial to the Brave that they 
think every Man handsome who is going to the Camp or the Gallows.

AIR III.  Cold and raw, &amp;c.

If any Wench Venus's Girdle wear,
Though she be never so ugly;
Lilies and Roses will quickly appear,
And her Face look wond'rous smugly.
Beneath the left Ear so fit but a Cord,
(A Rope so charming a Zone is!)
The Youth in his Cart hath the Air of a Lord,
And we cry, There dies an Adonis!

But really, Husband, you should not be too hard-hearted, for you 
never had a finer, braver set of Men than at present.  We have not 
had a Murder among them all, these seven Months.  And truly, my Dear, 
that is a great Blessing.

PEACHUM.  What a dickens is the Woman always a whimpring about Murder 
for?  No Gentleman is ever look'd upon the worse for killing a Man in 
his own Defence; and if Business cannot be carried on without it, 
what would you have a Gentleman do?

MRS. PEACHUM.  If I am in the wrong, my Dear, you must excuse me, for 
no body can help the Frailty of an over-scrupulous Conscience.

PEACHUM.  Murder is as fashionable a Crime as a Man can be guilty of.  
How many fine Gentlemen have we in Newgate every Year, purely upon 
that Article!  If they have wherewithal to persuade the Jury to bring 
it in Manslaughter, what are they the worse for it?  So, my Dear, 
have done upon this Subject.  Was Captain Macheath here this Morning, 
for the Bank-Notes he left with you last Week?

MRS. PEACHUM.  Yes, my Dear; and though the Bank hath stopt Payment, 
he was so chearful and so agreeable!  Sure there is not a finer 
Gentleman upon the Road than the Captain! if he comes from Bagshot at 
any reasonable Hour, he hath promis'd to make one this Evening with 
Polly and me, and Bob Booty at a Party of Quadrille.  Pray, my Dear, 
is the Captain rich?

PEACHUM.  The Captain keeps too good Company ever to grow rich.  
Marybone and the Chocolate-houses are his Undoing.  The Man that 
proposes to get Money by play should have the Education of a fine 
Gentleman, and be train'd up to it from his Youth.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Really, I am sorry upon Polly's Account the Captain 
hath not more Discretion.  What Business hath he to keep Company with 
Lords and Gentlemen? he should leave them to prey upon one another.

PEACHUM.  Upon Polly's Account!  What, a Plague, does the Woman 
mean?--Upon Polly's Account!

MRS. PEACHUM.  Captain Macheath is very fond of the Girl.

PEACHUM.  And what then?

MRS. PEACHUM.  If I have any Skill in the Ways of Women, I am sure 
Polly thinks him a very pretty Man.

PEACHUM.  And what then?  You would not be so mad to have the Wench 
marry him!  Gamesters and Highwaymen are generally very good to their 
Whores, but they are very Devils to their Wives.

MRS. PEACHUM.  But if Polly should be in Love, how should we help 
her, or how can she help herself?  Poor Girl, I am in the utmost 
Concern about her.

AIR IV.  Why is your faithful Slave disdain'd? &amp;c.

If Love the Virgin's Heart invade,
How, like a Moth, the simple Maid
Still plays about the Flame!
If soon she be not made a Wife,
Her Honour's sing'd, and then for Life,
She's--what I dare not name.

PEACHUM.  Look ye, Wife.  A handsome Wench in our way of Business is 
as profitable as at the Bar of a Temple Coffee-House, who looks upon 
it as her livelihood to grant every Liberty but one.  You see I would 
indulge the Girl as far as prudently we can.  In any thing, but 
Marriage!  After that, my Dear, how shall we be safe?  Are we not 
then in her Husband's Power?  For a Husband hath the absolute Power 
over all a Wife's Secrets but her own.  If the Girl had the 
Discretion of a Court-Lady, who can have a Dozen young Fellows at her 
Ear without complying with one, I should not matter it; but Polly is 
Tinder, and a Spark will at once set her on a Flame.  Married!  If 
the Wench does not know her own Profit, sure she knows her own 
Pleasure better than to make herself a Property!  My Daughter to me 
should be, like a Court-Lady to a Minister of State, a Key to the 
whole Gang.  Married!  If the Affair is not already done, I'll 
terrify her from it, by the Example of our Neighbours.

MRS. PEACHUM.  May-hap, my Dear, you may injure the Girl.  She loves 
to imitate the fine Ladies, and she may only allow the Captain 
Liberties in the view of Interest.

PEACHUM.  But 'tis your Duty, my Dear, to warn the Girl against her 
Ruin, and to instruct her how to make the most of her Beauty.  I'll 
go to her this moment, and sift her.  In the meantime, Wife, rip out 
the Coronets and Marks of these Dozen of Cambric Handkerchiefs, for I 
can dispose of them this Afternoon to a Chap in the City.  [Exit 
Peachum.]

MRS. PEACHUM.  Never was a Man more out of the way in an Argument 
than my Husband!  Why must our Polly, forsooth, differ from her Sex, 
and love only her Husband?  And why must Polly's Marriage, contrary 
to all Observations, make her the less followed by other Men?  All 
Men are Thieves in Love, and like a Woman the better for being 
another's Property.

AIR V.  Of all the simple Things we do, &amp;c.

A Maid is like the Golden Ore,
Which hath Guineas intrinsical in't,
Whose Worth is never known before
It is try'd and imprest in the Mint.
A Wife's like a Guinea in Gold,
Stampt with the Name of her Spouse;
Now here, now there; is bought, or is sold;
And is current in every House.

[Enter Filch.]

MRS. PEACHUM.  Come hither, Filch.  I am as fond of this Child, as 
though my Mind misgave me he were my own.  He hath as fine a Hand at 
picking a Pocket as a Woman, and is as nimble-finger'd as a Juggler.  
If an unlucky Session does not cut the Rope of thy Life, I pronounce, 
Boy, thou wilt be a great Man in History.  Where was your Post last 
Night, my Boy?

FILCH.  I ply'd at the Opera, Madam; and considering 'twas neither 
dark nor rainy, so that there was no great Hurry in getting Chairs 
and Coaches, made a tolerable Hand on't.  These seven Handkerchiefs, 
Madam.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Colour'd ones, I see.  They are of sure Sale from our 
Warehouse at Redriff among the Seamen.

FILCH.  And this Snuff-box.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Set in Gold!  A pretty Encouragement this to a young 
Beginner.

FILCH.  I had a fair Tug at a charming Gold Watch.  Pox take the 
Tailors for making the Fobs so deep and narrow!  It stuck by the way, 
and I was forc'd to make my Escape under a Coach.  Really, Madam, I 
fear I shall be cut off in the Flower of my Youth, so that every now 
and then (since I was pumpt) I have Thoughts of taking up and going 
to Sea.

MRS. PEACHUM.  You should go to Hockley in the Hole, and to Marybone, 
Child, to learn Valour.  These are the Schools that have bred so many 
brave Men.  I thought, Boy, by this time, thou hadst lost Fear as 
well as Shame.  Poor Lad! how little does he know as yet of the Old 
Baily!  For the first Fact I'll insure thee from being hang'd; and 
going to Sea, Filch, will come time enough upon a Sentence of 
Transportation.  But now, since you have nothing better to do, ev'n 
go to your Book, and learn your Catechism; for really a Man makes but 
an ill Figure in the Ordinary's Paper, who cannot give a satisfactory 
Answer to his Questions.  But, hark you, my Lad.  Don't tell me a 
Lye; for you know I hate a Liar.  Do you know of anything that hath 
pass'd between Captain Macheath and our Polly?

FILCH.  I beg you, Madam, don't ask me; for I must either tell a Lye 
to you or to Miss Polly; for I promis'd her I would not tell.

MRS. PEACHUM.  But when the Honour of our Family is concern'd -

FILCH.  I shall lead a sad Life with Miss Polly, if ever she comes to 
know that I told you.  Besides, I would not willingly forfeit my own 
Honour by betraying any body.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Yonder comes my Husband and Polly.  Come, Filch, you 
shall go with me into my own Room, and tell me the whole Story.  I'll 
give thee a Glass of a most delicious Cordial that I keep for my own 
drinking.

[Exeunt.]

[Enter Peachum, Polly.]

POLLY.  I know as well as any of the fine Ladies how to make the most 
of myself and of my Man too.  A Woman knows how to be mercenary, 
though she hath never been in a Court or at an Assembly.  We have it 
in our Natures, Papa.  If I allow Captain Macheath some trifling 
Liberties, I have this Watch and other visible Marks of his Favour to 
shew for it.  A Girl who cannot grant some Things, and refuse what is 
most material, will make but a poor hand of her Beauty, and soon be 
thrown upon the Common.

AIR VI.  What shall I do to shew how much I love her, &amp;c.

Virgins are like the fair Flower in its Lustre,
Which in the Garden enamels the Ground;
Near it the Bees in play flutter and cluster,
And gaudy Butterflies frolick around.
But, when once pluck'd, 'tis no longer alluring,
To Covent-Garden 'tis sent (as yet sweet),
There fades, and shrinks, and grows past all enduring,
Rots, stinks, and dies, and is trod under feet.

PEACHUM.  You know, Polly, I am not against your toying and trifling 
with a Customer in the way of Business, or to get out a Secret, or 
so.  But if I find out that you have play'd the Fool and are married, 
you Jade you, I'll cut your Throat, Hussy.  Now you know my Mind.

[Enter Mrs. Peachum, in a very great Passion.]

AIR VII.  Oh London is a fine Town.

Our Polly is a sad Slut! nor heeds what we have taught her.
I wonder any Man alive will ever rear a Daughter!
For she must have both Hoods and Gowns, and Hoops to swell her Pride,
With Scarfs and Stays, and Gloves and Lace; and she will have Men 
beside;
And when she's drest with Care and Cost, all tempting, fine and gay,
As Men should serve a Cucumber, she flings herself away.
Our Polly is a sad Slut! &amp;c.

You Baggage! you Hussy! you inconsiderate Jade! had you been hang'd, 
it would not have vex'd me, for that might have been your Misfortune; 
but to do such a mad thing by Choice; The Wench is married, Husband.

PEACHUM.  Married! the Captain is a bold Man, and will risk any thing 
for Money; to be sure he believes her a Fortune.  Do you think your 
Mother and I should have liv'd comfortably so long together, if ever 
we had been married?  Baggage!

MRS. PEACHUM.  I knew she was always a proud Slut; and now the Wench 
hath play'd the Fool and Married, because forsooth she would do like 
the Gentry.  Can you support the Expence of a Husband, Hussy, in 
Gaming, Drinking and Whoring?  Have you Money enough to carry on the 
daily Quarrels of Man and Wife about who shall squander most?  There 
are not many Husbands and Wives, who can bear the Charges of plaguing 
one another in a handsom way.  If you must be married, could you 
introduce no body into our Family but a Highwayman?  Why, thou 
foolish Jade, thou wilt be as ill-us'd, and as much neglected, as if 
thou hadst married a Lord!

PEACHUM.  Let not your Anger, my Dear, break through the Rules of 
Decency, for the Captain looks upon himself in the Military Capacity, 
as a Gentleman by his Profession.  Besides what he hath already, I 
know he is in a fair way of getting, or of dying; and both these 
ways, let me tell you, are most excellent Chances for a Wife.  Tell 
me, Hussy, are you ruin'd or no?

MRS. PEACHUM.  With Polly's Fortune, she might very well have gone 
off to a Person of Distinction.  Yes, that you might, you pouting 
Slut!

PEACHUM.  What is the Wench dumb?  Speak, or I'll make you plead by 
squeezing out an Answer from you.  Are you really bound Wife to him, 
or are you only upon liking?  [Pinches her.]

POLLY.  Oh!  [Screaming.]

MRS. PEACHUM.  How the Mother is to be pitied who hath handsom 
Daughters!  Locks, Bolts, Bars, and Lectures of Morality are nothing 
to them:  They break through them all.  They have as much Pleasure in 
cheating a Father and Mother, as in cheating at Cards.

PEACHUM.  Why, Polly, I shall soon know if you are married, by 
Macheath's keeping from our House.

AIR VIII.  Grim King of the Ghosts, &amp;c.

POLLY.  Can Love be control'd by Advice?
Will Cupid our Mothers obey?
Though my Heart were as frozen as Ice,
At his Flame 'twould have melted away.
When he kist me so closely he prest,
'Twas so sweet that I must have comply'd:
So I thought it both safest and best
To marry, for fear you should chide.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Then all the Hopes of our Family are gone for ever and 
ever!

PEACHUM.  And Macheath may hang his Father and Mother-in-law, in hope 
to get into their Daughter's Fortune.

POLLY.  I did not marry him (as 'tis the Fashion) coolly and 
deliberately for Honour or Money.  But, I love him.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Love him! worse and worse!  I thought the Girl had 
been better bred.  Oh Husband, Husband! her Folly makes me mad! my 
Head swims!  I'm distracted!  I can't support myself--Oh!  [Faints.]

PEACHUM.  See, Wench, to what a Condition you have reduc'd your poor 
Mother! a Glass of Cordial, this instant.  How the poor Woman takes 
it to heart!

[Polly goes out, and returns with it.]

Ah, Hussy, now this is the only Comfort your Mother has left!

POLLY.  Give her another Glass, Sir! my Mama drinks double the 
Quantity whenever she is out of Order.  This, you see, fetches her.

MRS. PEACHUM.  The Girl shews such a Readiness, and so much Concern, 
that I could almost find in my Heart to forgive her.

AIR IX.  O Jenny, O Jenny, where hast thou been.

POLLY.  O Polly, you might have toy'd and kist.
By keeping Men off, you keep them on.
But he so teaz'd me,
And he so pleas'd me,
What I did, you must have done.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Not with a Highwayman.--You sorry Slut!

PEACHUM.  A Word with you, Wife.  'Tis no new thing for a Wench to 
take Man without Consent of Parents.  You know 'tis the Frailty of 
Women, my Dear.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Yes, indeed, the Sex is frail.  But the first time a 
Woman is frail, she should be somewhat nice methinks, for then or 
never is the time to make her Fortune.  After that, she hath nothing 
to do but to guard herself from being found out, and she may do what 
she pleases.

PEACHUM.  Make yourself a little easy; I have a Thought shall soon 
set all Matters again to rights.  Why so melancholy, Polly? since 
what is done cannot be undone, we must all endeavour to make the best 
of it.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Well, Polly; as far as one Woman can forgive another, 
I forgive thee.--Your Father is too fond of you, Hussy.

POLLY.  Then all my Sorrows are at an end.

MRS. PEACHUM.  A mighty likely Speech in troth, for a Wench who is 
just married!

AIR X.  Thomas, I cannot, &amp;c.

POLLY.  I, like a Ship in Storms, was tost;
Yet afraid to put in to Land:
For seiz'd in the Port the Vessel's lost,
Whose Treasure is contreband.
The Waves are laid,
My Duty's paid.
O Joy beyond Expression!
Thus, safe a-shore,
I ask no more,
My All is in my Possession.

PEACHUM.  I hear Customers in t'other Room:  Go, talk with 'em, 
Polly; but come to us again, as soon as they are gone.--But, hark ye, 
Child, if 'tis the Gentleman who was here Yesterday about the 
Repeating Watch; say, you believe we can't get Intelligence of it 
'till to-morrow.  For I lent it to Suky Straddle, to make a figure 
with it to-night at a Tavern in Drury-Lane.  If t'other Gentleman 
calls for the Silver-hilted Sword; you know Beetle-brow'd Jemmy hath 
it on, and he doth not come from Tunbridge 'till Tuesday Night; so 
that it cannot be had 'till then.

[Exit Polly.]

PEACHUM.  Dear Wife, be a little pacified, Don't let your Passion run 
away with your Senses.  Polly, I grant you, hath done a rash thing.

MRS. PEACHUM.  If she had only an Intrigue with the Fellow, why the 
very best Families have excus'd and huddled up a Frailty of that 
sort.  'Tis Marriage, Husband, that makes it a Blemish.

PEACHUM.  But Money, Wife, is the true Fuller's Earth for 
Reputations, there is not a Spot or a Stain but what it can take out.  
A rich Rogue now-a-days is fit Company for any Gentleman; and the 
World, my Dear, hath not such a Contempt for Roguery as you imagine.  
I tell you, Wife, I can make this Match turn to our Advantage.

MRS. PEACHUM.  I am very sensible, Husband, that Captain Macheath is 
worth Money, but I am in doubt whether he hath not two or three Wives 
already, and then if he should die in a Session or two, Polly's Dower 
would come into Dispute.

PEACHUM.  That, indeed, is a Point which ought to be consider'd.

AIR XI.  A Soldier and a Sailor.

A Fox may steal your Hens, Sir,
A Whore your Health and Pence, Sir,
Your Daughter rob your Chest, Sir,
Your Wife may steal your Rest, Sir.
A Thief your Goods and Plate.
But this is all but picking,
With Rest, Pence, Chest and Chicken;
It ever was decreed, Sir,
If Lawyer's Hand is fee'd, Sir,
He steals your whole Estate.

The Lawyers are bitter Enemies to those in our Way.  They don't care 
that any body should get a clandestine Livelihood but themselves.

[Enter Polly.]

POLLY.  'Twas only Nimming Ned.  He brought in a Damask Window-
Curtain, a Hoop-Petticoat, a pair of Silver Candlesticks, a Periwig, 
and one Silk Stocking, from the Fire that happen'd last Night.

PEACHUM.  There is not a Fellow that is cleverer in his way, and 
saves more Goods out of the Fire than Ned.  But now, Polly, to your 
Affair; for Matters must not be left as they are.  You are married 
then, it seems?

POLLY.  Yes, Sir.

PEACHUM.  And how do you propose to live, Child?

POLLY.  Like other Women, Sir, upon the Industry of my Husband.

MRS. PEACHUM.  What, is the Wench turn'd Fool?  A Highwayman's Wife, 
like a Soldier's, hath as little of his Pay, as of his Company.

PEACHUM.  And had not you the common Views of a Gentlewoman in your 
Marriage, Polly?

POLLY.  I don't know what you mean, Sir.

PEACHUM.  Of a Jointure, and of being a Widow.

POLLY.  But I love him, Sir; how then could I have Thoughts of 
parting with him?

PEACHUM.  Parting with him!  Why, this is the whole Scheme and 
Intention of all Marriage-Articles.  The comfortable Estate of Widow-
hood, is the only Hope that keeps up a Wife's Spirits.  Where is the 
Woman who would scruple to be a Wife, if she had it in her Power to 
be a Widow, whenever she pleas'd?  If you have any Views of this 
sort, Polly, I shall think the Match not so very unreasonable.

POLLY.  How I dread to hear your Advice!  Yet I must beg you to 
explain yourself.

PEACHUM.  Secure what he hath got, have him peach'd the next 
Sessions, and then at once you are made a rich Widow.

POLLY.  What, murder the Man I love!  The Blood runs cold at my Heart 
with the very thought of it.

PEACHUM.  Fie, Polly!  What hath Murder to do in the Affair?  Since 
the thing sooner or later must happen, I dare say, the Captain 
himself would like that we should get the Reward for his Death sooner 
than a Stranger.  Why, Polly, the Captain knows, that as 'tis his 
Employment to rob, so 'tis ours to take Robbers; every Man in his 
Business.  So that there is no Malice in the Case.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Ay, Husband, now you have nick'd the Matter.  To have 
him peach'd is the only thing could ever make me forgive her.

AIR XII.  Now ponder well, ye Parents dear.

POLLY.  O ponder well! be not severe;
So save a wretched Wife!
For on the Rope that hangs my Dear
Depends poor Polly's Life.

MRS. PEACHUM.  But your Duty to your Parents, Hussy, obliges you to 
hang him.  What would many a Wife give for such an Opportunity!

POLLY.  What is a Jointure, what is Widow-hood to me?  I know my 
Heart.  I cannot survive him.

AIR XIII.  Le printems rapelle aux armes.

The Turtle thus with plaintive Crying,
Her Lover dying,
The Turtle thus with plaintive Crying,
Laments her Dove.
Down she drops quite spent with Sighing.
Pair'd in Death, as pair'd in Love.

Thus, Sir, it will happen to your poor Polly.

MRS. PEACHUM.  What, is the Fool in Love in earnest then?  I hate 
thee for being particular:  Why, Wench, thou art a Shame to thy very 
Sex.

POLLY.  But hear me, Mother.--If you ever lov'd -

MRS. PEACHUM.  Those cursed Play-Books she reads have been her Ruin.  
One Word more, Hussy, and I shall knock your Brains out, if you have 
any.

PEACHUM.  Keep out of the way, Polly, for fear of Mischief, and 
consider of what is proposed to you.

MRS. PEACHUM.  Away, Hussy.  Hang your Husband, and be dutiful.

[Exit Polly.]

[Re-enter Polly, and listens behind column.]

MRS. PEACHUM.  The Thing, Husband, must and shall be done.  For the 
sake of Intelligence we must take other measures, and have him 
peached the next Session without her Consent.  If she will not know 
her Duty, we know ours.

PEACHUM.  But really, my Dear, it grieves one's Heart to take off a 
great Man.  When I consider his Personal Bravery, his fine Stratagem, 
how much we have already got by him, and how much more we may get, 
methinks I can't find in my Heart to have a hand in his Death.  I 
wish you could have made Polly undertake it.

MRS. PEACHUM.  But in a Case of Necessity--our own Lives are in 
danger.

PEACHUM.  Then, indeed, we must comply with the Customs of the World, 
and make Gratitude give way to Interest.--He shall be taken off.

MRS. PEACHUM.  I'll undertake to manage Polly.

PEACHUM.  And I'll prepare Matters for the Old-Baily.

[Exeunt severally.]

POLLY.  Now I'm a Wretch, indeed.--Methinks I see him already in the 
Cart, sweeter and more lovely than the Nosegay in his Hand!--I hear 
the Crowd extolling his Resolution and Intrepidity!--What Vollies of 
Sighs are sent from the Windows of Holborn, that so comely a Youth 
should be brought to Disgrace!--I see him at the Tree!  The whole 
Circle are in Tears!--even Butchers weep!--Jack Ketch himself 
hesitates to perform his Duty, and would be glad to lose his Fee, by 
a Reprieve.  What then will become of Polly!--As yet I may inform him 
of their Design, and aid him in his Escape.--It shall be so--But then 
he flies, absents himself, and I bar myself from his dear dear 
Conversation!  That too will distract me.--If he keep out of the way, 
my Papa and Mama may in time relent, and we may be happy.--If he 
stays, he is hang'd, and then he is lost for ever!--He intended to 
lie conceal'd in my Room, 'till the Dusk of the Evening:  If they are 
abroad I'll this Instant let him out, lest some Accident should 
prevent him.

[Exit, and returns with Macheath.]

Macheath.

AIR XIV.  Pretty Parrot, say -

MACHEATH.  Pretty Polly, say,
When I was away,
Did your fancy never stray
To some newer Lover?
POLLY.  Without Disguise,
Heaving Sighs,
Doting Eyes,
My constant Heart discover.
Fondly let me loll!
MACHEATH.  O pretty, pretty Poll.

POLLY.  And are YOU as fond as ever, my Dear?

MACHEATH.  Suspect my Honour, my Courage, suspect any thing but my 
Love.--May my Pistols miss Fire, and my Mare slip her Shoulder while 
I am pursu'd, if I ever forsake thee!

POLLY.  Nay, my Dear, I have no Reason to doubt you, for I find in 
the Romance you lent me, none of the great Heroes were ever false in 
Love.

AIR XV.  Pray, Fair one, be kind -

MACHEATH.  My Heart was so free,
It rov'd like the Bee,
'Till Polly my Passion requited;
I sipt each Flower,
I chang'd every Hour,
But here every Flower is united.

POLLY.  Were you sentenc'd to Transportation, sure, my Dear, you 
could not leave me behind you--could you?

MACHEATH.  Is there any Power, any Force that could tear me from 
thee?  You might sooner tear a Pension out of the Hands of a 
Courtier, a Fee from a Lawyer, a pretty Woman from a Looking-glass, 
or any Woman from Quadrille.--But to tear me from thee is impossible!

AIR XVI.  Over the Hills and far away.

Were I laid on Greenland's Coast,
And in my Arms embrac'd my Lass;
Warm amidst eternal Frost,
Too soon the Half Year's Night would pass.
POLLY.  Were I sold on Indian Soil,
Soon as the burning Day was clos'd,
I could mock the sultry Toil
When on my Charmer's Breast repos'd.
MACHEATH.  And I would love you all the Day,
POLLY.  Every Night would kiss and play,
MACHEATH.  If with me you'd fondly stray
POLLY.  Over the Hills and far away.

POLLY.  Yes, I would go with thee.  But oh!--how shall I speak it?  I 
must be torn from thee.  We must part.

MACHEATH.  How!  Part!

POLLY.  We must, we must.--My Papa and Mama are set against thy Life.  
They now, even now are in Search after thee.  They are preparing 
Evidence against thee.  Thy Life depends upon a moment.

AIR XVII.  Gin thou wert mine awn thing -

Oh what Pain it is to part!
Can I leave thee, can I leave thee?
O what pain it is to part!
Can thy Polly ever leave thee?
But lest Death my Love should thwart,
And bring thee to the fatal Cart,
Thus I tear thee from my bleeding Heart!
Fly hence, and let me leave thee.

One Kiss and then--one Kiss--be gone--farewel.

MACHEATH.  My Hand, my Heart, my Dear, is so riveted to thine, that I 
cannot unloose my Hold.

POLLY.  But my Papa may intercept thee, and then I should lose the 
very glimmering of Hope.  A few Weeks, perhaps, may reconcile us all.  
Shall thy Polly hear from thee?

MACHEATH.  Must I then go?

POLLY.  And will not Absence change your Love?

MACHEATH.  If you doubt it, let me stay--and be hang'd.

POLLY.  O how I fear! how I tremble!--Go--but when Safety will give 
you leave, you will be sure to see me again; for 'till then Polly is 
wretched.

AIR XVIII.  O the Broom, &amp;c.

MACHEATH.  The Miser thus a Shilling sees,
Which he's oblig'd to pay,
With sighs resigns it by degrees,
And fears 'tis gone for ay.

[Parting, and looking back at each other with fondness; he at one 
Door, she at the other.]

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The Bird in Silence eyes;
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==Works==
* [[Letter to the oppressed inhabitants of Canada]], 1775
* [[Letter to the Inhabitants of the Province of Canada]], 1776
* [[The Case of Peter du Calvet]], 1784
* [[To the Honorable the Knights, Citizens and Burgesses, the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in Parliament Assembled]], 1834
* [[St. John the Baptist's Day Banquet]], 1834
* [[The Hon. Louis-Joseph Papineau's Address to the Electors of the City of Montreal]], 1851
* [[Seventy-two resolutions]], 1864
* [[Canadian Savage Folk]], 1896 by [[Author:John MacLean|John MacLean]]&lt;!-- {{iau|canadiansavagefo00macluoft|Canadian Savage Folk|djvu}}--&gt;
* [[Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game]], 1899 by [[Author:Arthur Farrell|Arthur Farrell]].
* [[The Race Question in Canada]], 1907 by [[Author:André Siegfried|André Siegfried]]
* [[Among the Canadian Alps]], 1918 by [[Author:Lawrence Johnstone Burpee|Lawrence Johnstone Burpee]]&lt;!-- {{Iau|amongcanadianalp00burprich|Among the Canadian Alps|djvu}}--&gt;
* [[1899 Meeting Minutes]], by the Officer's Association of the Militia of Canada
* [[Canada and the New Canadian]], 1923 by [[Author:C.G. Younge|C.G. Younge]]&lt;!-- {{iau|canadanewcanadia00younuoft|Canada and the New Canadian|djvu}}--&gt;
* [[Letter requesting resolution to the King-Byng Affair]], 1926 letter by [[Author:William Lyon Mackenzie King|William Lyon Mackenzie King]] announcing his resignation
* [[Canada Gazette]]
* [[Concluding observations of the Human Rights Committee: Canada]], 2005
* [[Canadian Alpine Journal]]
* [[An Illustrated Flora of the Northern United States, Canada and the British Possessions]]
* [[The Story of Isaac Brock: Hero, Defender and Saviour of Upper Canada]]
* [[Lacrosse: The National Game of Canada]]
* [[Roughing it in the Bush]]
* [[Asian Criminal and Terrorist Activity in Canada]]
* [[Translation:Address to the people of Canada|Address to the people of Canada]]
* [[Public School History of England and Canada]]
* [[Report on the Affairs of British North America]]
* [[Exhibition - Meet Canada]]
* [[Children's Development of Social Competence Across Family Types]]
* [[Translation:Address of the Confederation of the Six Counties to the People of Canada|Address of the Confederation of the Six Counties to the People of Canada]]
* [[The New York Times/1901/08/01/Low Freight from Canada to Glasgow|The New York Times — Low Freight from Canada to Glasgow]]
* [[Wacousta]]
* [[Proclamation declaring the extraterritoriality of the birthplace of Princess Margriet of the Netherlands in Canada]]
* {{PSM link|The French Problem in Canada|28|April 1886}}
* [[Address to Her Majesty Praying Her to Restore the Legal Status of the French Language in the Provincial Parliament of Canada]]
* [[Memoir of Elizabeth Jones a little Indian girl who lived at the River-Credit Mission Upper Canada]]
* {{PSM link|How Canada Is Solving her Transportation Problem|67|September 1905}}
* [[Joint Communique of the Government of the People's Republic of China and the Government of Canada Concerning the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations Between China and Canada]]
* [[The New York Times/1901/08/01/Canada and Reciprocity|The New York Times — Canada and Reciprocity]]
* [[China-Canada Joint Statement]]
* [[A Vocation tour in the United States and Canada]]
* [[Resolutions intended to be proposed by Lord John Russell, in a committee of the whole house, relative to the affairs of Canada]]
* [[Riel letter to a relative]]
* [[Abderraouf Jdey letter about life in Canada]]
* {{PSM link|The Mediterranean of Canada|27|June 1885}}
* [[Appeal for National Service]]
* [[Problems of Empire]]
** [[Problems of Empire/Canada|Canada]]
** [[Problems of Empire/Canada and the Preferential Tariff|Canada and the Preferential Tariff]]
* {{PSM link|The Wheat Lands of Canada|55|October 1899}}
* [[Our Job is to Beat the Hun]]
* [[The Disgrace of Great Britain accomplished!]]
* [[The Flags of the World/Plate 13|The Flags of the World — British Empire/Canada]]
* {{PSM link|A Curious Canadian Iron Mine|50|January 1897}}
* [[The Hessians and the other German auxiliaries of Great Britain in the revolutionary war/10 The Brunswickers in Canada, 1776|The Brunswickers in Canada, 1776]]
* [[Life and Journals of Kah-ke-wa-quo-nā-by]]
* {{Littell's link|The Indians of Canada|131|1686}}
* [[The Empire Club of Canada and its Ideal of Imperialism]]
* [[Khadr vs. Canada]]
* {{PSM link|Superstitions of French Canadians|44|February 1894}}
* [[Karzai's address to Canadian Parliament]]
* [[Letters from America]]
* [[Charles Lawrence's expulsion orders]]
* [[Yankee in Canada (1866)|A Yankee in Canada]]
* [[The Red Man and the White Man in North America]]
* {{PSM link|A Canadian Chapter in Agrarian Agitation|29|August 1886}}
* [[Proceedings Relating to the Expulsion of Ezekiel Hart from the House of Assembly of Lower Canada]]
* [[The Under-Ground Railroad]]
* [[The American Indian]]
* ''[[Proposed expedition to explore Ellesmere land, northwest of Baffin Bay]]'' (1894) by [[author:Robert Stein|Robert Stein]]
* {{Empire and the century link|The Future of Canada|author=[[author:W. Peterson|W. Peterson]]|p=363|pp=384}}
* {{Empire and the century link|Canadian Agriculture and Rural Education|author=[[author:James W. Robertson|James W. Robertson]]|p=385|pp=402}}
* {{Empire and the century link|Imperialism in Canadian Politics|author=[[author:John W. Hills|John W. Hills]]|p=403|pp=408}}
* {{Empire and the century link|Canada and the Pacific|author=[[author:G. R. Parkin|G. R. Parkin]]|p=409|pp=419}}
* {{Empire and the century link|The French-Canadians and the Empire|author=[[author:Benjamin Sulte|Benjamin Sulte]]|p=420|pp=423}}

==Encyclopedias==
* {{AmCyc link|Canada, Dominion of}}
* {{Nuttall link|Canada|C}}
* {{EB1911 link|Canada}}
* {{CE link|Canada}}
** {{CE link|Bequests for Masses (Canada)}}
** {{CE link|Catholicity in Canada}}
* {{NSRW link|Canada}}
* {{Factbook link|year=1982|Canada}}
* {{Factbook link|year=1990|Canada}}
* {{Factbook link|Canada}}

==Arts==
* '''[[Portal:Canadian poetry]]'''
* '''[[Portal:Makers of Canadian Literature]]''' (''book series'')
* [[Canadian Fairy Tales]], 1922 by [[Author:Cyrus MacMillan|Cyrus MacMillan]]&lt;!-- {{iau|canadianfairytal00macm|Canadian Fairy Tales|djvu}}--&gt;
* [[This Canada of ours and other poems]]
* [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/Canada to England|Canada to England]]
* [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/Langemarck|Langemarck]]
* [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/Canadians|Canadians]]
* [[Flint and Feather]]
* [[In Flanders Fields and Other Poems]]
* [[Rhymes of a Red-Cross Man]]
* [[A Canadian Boat Song]]
* [[To a Canadian Aviator Who Died for His Country in France]]
* [[Un Canadien errant]]
* [[Men of Harlech (Royal Canadian Hussars)]]
* [[Song of the Free]]
* [[The Sky Pilot]]
* [[Myths and Legends of British North America]]

===Songs===
* [[O Canada]], national anthem
* [[God Save the King]]
* [[Patriotic Songs]], 1830 by [[Author:Agnes Strickland|Agnes Strickland]] and [[Author:Susanna Moodie|Susanna Moodie]]
* [[The Maple Leaf Forever]], 1867 by [[Author:Alexander Muir|Alexander Muir]]
* [[This Canada of ours and other poems/This Canada of Ours|This Canada of Ours]], 1867 by [[Author:J.D. Edgar|J.D. Edgar]]
* [[Our Dominion]], 1867 by [[Author:G.R. Kingsmill|G.R. Kingsmill]]
* [[Anti-Confederation Song]] by anonymous
* [[What a Friend We Have in Jesus]], by [[Author:Joseph Scriven|Joseph Scriven]]
* [[The Ballad of the Rover]], 1919 by [[Author:Archibald McKellar MacMechan|Archibald McKellar MacMechan]]
* [[Precision]], 1932 by [[Author:Denise Chabot|Denise Chabot]]

==Institutions==
* '''[[Portal:Canadian Security Intelligence Service]]'''
* [[Census of the Indians in Canada]], 1924 by the [[w:Indian and Northern Affairs Canada|Department of Indian Affairs]]&lt;!-- {{iau|censusofindiansi00canauoft|Census of the Indians in Canada|djvu}}--&gt;
* [[Toronto Star]], largest national newspaper
* [[Edmonton Bulletin]], newspaper

==Speeches==
* [[Speech of Louis J. Papineau, Esqr. on the Hustings, at the Opening of the Election for the West Ward of the City of Montreal, on the 11th of August, 1827|Speech on the Hustings, at the Opening of the Election for the West Ward of the City of Montreal]], 1827 speech by [[Author:Louis-Joseph Papineau|Louis-Joseph Papineau]]
* [[Sir Alexander T. Galt on Prohibition|Prohibition]], 1867 speech by [[Author:Alexander Tilloch Galt|Alexander Tilloch Galt]]
* [[Speech of the Hon. Louis-Joseph Papineau before the Institut canadien on the occasion of the 23rd anniversary of this society, December 17, 1867|Speech before the Institut canadien on the occasion of the 23rd anniversary of this society]], 1867 speech by [[Author:Louis-Joseph Papineau|Louis-Joseph Papineau]]
* [[Canada First, or, Our New Nationality]], 1871 speech by [[Author:William Alexander Foster|William Alexander Foster]]
* [[The Dominion Campaign!]], 1881 speech by [[Author:Sir John A. Macdonald|Sir John A. Macdonald]]
* [[Canada, England and the United States]], 1899 speech by [[Author:Wilfrid Laurier|Wilfrid Laurier]]
* [[Canadian Appeal for the Widows and Orphans of the South African War]], 1900 speech by [[Author:Malcolm Graeme Cameron|Malcolm Graeme Cameron]]
* [[First Bennett Radio Address]], by [[Author:Richard Bedford Bennett|Richard Bedford Bennett]]
* [[Imperial Conference]], 1921 by [[Author:Arthur Meighen|Arthur Meighen]]
* [[Address on the National Security Plebiscite]], 1942 by [[Author:William Lyon MacKenzie King|William Lyon MacKenzie King]]
* [[Canada's Postwar Immigration Policy]], 1947 by [[Author:William Lyon Mackenzie King|William Lyon Mackenzie King]]

==Law==
* '''[[Portal:Canadian case law]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Acts of Parliament of Canada]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Canadian Proclamations]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Canadian Orders-in-Council]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Canadian Government Appointments]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Canadian Militia General Orders]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Canadian Government Notices]]'''
** '''[[Portal:Applications to Parliament of Canada]]'''
* [[Upper Canadian Act Against Slavery]], 1793
* [[The Ninety-Two Resolutions of the Legislative Assembly of Lower Canada]], 1834
* [[Annexation Bill of 1866]]
* [[The Beds of Navigable Waters Act]], 1911

==Constitution==
* '''[[Portal:Constitutional documents of Canada]]'''
** '''[[Portal:British North America Acts]]'''
* [[Translation:Declaration of Independence of Lower Canada|Declaration of Independence of Lower Canada]], 1838
* [[Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms]], 1982

==Politics==
* '''[[Portal:Prime Ministers of Canada]]'''
* [[Manifesto Addressed to the Canadians]], 1759 by [[Author:James Wolfe|James Wolfe]]
* [[Petition of the London Working Men's Association in favour of the People of Canada]], 1837
* [[The Address of the London Working Men's Association to the People of Canada]], 1837
* [[Civil Liberty in Lower Canada]], 1876
* [[Church and State (Galt)|Church and State]], 1876
* [[Constitution and laws of the One Big Union]], 1919
* [[The Future of Canada: Canadianism or Imperialism]], 1919 by [[Author:John Boyd|John Boyd]]
* [[The Growth of Canadian National Feeling]], 1927
* [[Regina manifesto]], 1933

==History==
* '''[[Portal:Hudson's Bay Company]]'''
* [[An Impartial and Authentic Account of the Civil War in the Canadas]], 1838, by [[Author:Henry Samuel Chapman|Henry Samuel Chapman]]
* [[Translation:History of the Insurrection in Canada in refutation of the report of Lord Durham|History of the Insurrection in Canada in refutation of the report of Lord Durham]], 1839
* [[The Dawn of Canadian History: A Chronicle of Aboriginal Canada]], by [[Author:Stephen Leacock|Stephen Leacock]]
* [[Pioneers in Canada]], by [[Author:Harry Johnston|Harry Johnston]]
* {{empire and the century link|The Making of Canada|author = [[author:Clifford Sifton|Clifford Sifton]]|p=351|pp=362}}

===War===
* '''[[Portal:War of 1812]]'''
* '''[[Portal:Fenian Raids]]'''
* '''[[Portal:World War I]]'''
* '''[[Portal:World War II]]'''
* '''[[Portal:Korean War]]'''

==Journal and magazine articles==
* {{CR link|Bohemians in Canada|1|2}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian Contingent in the Canadian Forces|1|4}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians are known in Canada|1|11–12}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian National Alliance in Canada|3|3}}


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==Works==
===Plays===
*[[The Recruiting Officer (Farquhar)|The Recruiting Officer]]
*[[The Beaux Stratagem|The Beaux' Stratagem]]

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==Works==
===Plays===
* ''[[The Recruiting Officer (Farquhar)|The Recruiting Officer]]''
* ''[[The Beaux Stratagem|The Beaux' Stratagem]]'' (1707)

==Works about Farquhar==
* {{DNB link|Farquhar, George}}
* {{SBDEL link|Farquhar, George}}
* {{EB1911 link|Farquhar, George}}

===On his works===
* {{NIE link|Clincher}}


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==Collections of Poetry==
*[[Enthusiastic and Other Poems]], 1831 by [[Author:Susanna Moodie|Susanna Moodie]]
*[[The Poetry of Lucy Maud Montgomery]], 1887 by [[Author:Lucy Maud Montgomery|Lucy Maud Montgomery]]
*[[Canada and Other Poems]], 1887 by [[Author:Thomas Frederick Young|T. F. Young]]
*[[The White Wampum]], 1895 collection by [[Author:E. Pauline Johnson|E. Pauline Johnson]]
*[[Canadian Born]], 1903 collection by [[Author:E. Pauline Johnson|E. Pauline Johnson]]
*[[Émile Nelligan and his Works]], 1903 by [[Author:Émile Nelligan|Émile Nelligan]]
*[[The Spell of the Yukon and Other Verses]], 1907 by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
*[[Flint and Feather]], 1912 collection by [[Author:E. Pauline Johnson|E. Pauline Johnson]]
*[[Rhymes of a Rolling Stone]], 1912 by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
*[[Rhymes of a Red-Cross Man]], 1916 by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
*[[The Watchman &amp; Other Poems]], 1916 by [[Author:Lucy Maud Montgomery|Lucy Maud Montgomery]]
*[[Ballads of a Cheechako]], 1919 by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
*[[Ballads of a Bohemian]], 1921 by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]

==Individual poems==
* [[This Canada of Ours]], 1873, by [[Author:James David Edgar|James David Edgar]]
* [[Poem Written to his Jailer]], 1885, by [[Author:Louis Riel|Louis Riel]]
* [[Arouse Ye Brave Canadians: Lines Suggested by General Brock's Stirring Appeal to the People of Upper Canada]], 1893, by [[Author:James David Edgar|James David Edgar]]
* [[Century Magazine/Volume 47/Issue 5/A Dialogue|A Dialogue]], 1894, by [[Author:Bliss Carman|Bliss Carman]]
* [[Canada: A Metrical Story]], 1897, by [[Author:Charles Campbell (fl. 1900)|Charles Campbell]]
* [[The Shooting of Dan McGrew]], 1907, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Cremation of Sam McGee]], 1907, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Call of the Wild (Service)|The Call of the Wild]], 1907, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Spell of the Yukon]], 1907, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Law of the Yukon]], 1907, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[Quebec]], 1908, poem celebrating 300th anniversary of the city by [[Author:John McCrae (1872-1918)|John McCrae]]
* [[Just Think!]], 1912, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Quitter]], 1912, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[In Flanders Fields]], 1915, by [[Author:John McCrae (1872-1918)|John McCrae]]
* [[Carry On!]], 1916, by [[Author:Robert W. Service|Robert W. Service]]
* [[The Boy Who Lies Out Yonder]], 1918, by [[Author:George H. Maitland|George H. Maitland]]
* [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/The War Cry of the Eagles|The War Cry of the Eagles]], by [[Author:Bliss Carman|Bliss Carman]]
* [[There was a small boy in Quebec]], traditional Canadian limerick

==See also==

===Parent portals===
* [[Portal:English language]]
* [[Portal:English literature]]
* [[Portal:Poetry]]

===Related portals===
* [[Portal:Canada]]
* [[Portal:Makers of Canadian Literature]] (''book series'')

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* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/47 412 U.S. 47] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Michigan v. Payne]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/67 412 U.S. 67] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[NLRB v. Boeing Co.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/84 412 U.S. 84] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Machinists &amp; Aerospace Workers v. NLRB]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/92 412 U.S. 92] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Richmond School Board v. Board of Education]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/94 412 U.S. 94] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[CBS v. Democratic National Committee]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/205 412 U.S. 205] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Keeble v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/218 412 U.S. 218] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Schneckloth v. Bustamonte]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/291 412 U.S. 291] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Cupp v. Murphy]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/306 412 U.S. 306] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Doe v. McMillan]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/346 412 U.S. 346] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. Bishop (412 U.S. 346)]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/363 412 U.S. 363] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. State Tax Commission of Mississippi]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/391 412 U.S. 391] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. Mason (412 U.S. 391)]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/401 412 U.S. 401] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. Chicago, B. &amp; Q. R. Co.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/427 412 U.S. 427] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Northcross v. Board of Ed. of Memphis City Schools]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/430 412 U.S. 430] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Douglas v. Buder]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/434 412 U.S. 434] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Strunk v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/441 412 U.S. 441] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Vlandis v. Kline]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/470 412 U.S. 470] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Wardius v. Oregon]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/481 412 U.S. 481] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Mattz v. Arnett]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/507 412 U.S. 507] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[City of Kenosha v. Bruno]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/521 412 U.S. 521] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Logue v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/534 412 U.S. 534] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. Nevada (412 U.S. 534)|United States v. Nevada]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/541 412 U.S. 541] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Fri v. Sierra Club]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/543 412 U.S. 543] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Dean v. Gadsden Times Publishing Corp.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/546 412 U.S. 546] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Goldstein v. California]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/580 412 U.S. 580] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. Little Lake Misere Land Co., Inc.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/609 412 U.S. 609] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Weinberger v. Hynson, Westcott &amp; Dunning, Inc.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/640 412 U.S. 640] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[CIBA Corp. v. Weinberger]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/645 412 U.S. 645] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Weinberger v. Bentex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/655 412 U.S. 655] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[USV Pharmaceutical Corp. v. Weinberger]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/669 412 U.S. 669] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United States v. SCRAP]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/735 412 U.S. 735] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Gaffney v. Cummings (412 U.S. 735)|Gaffney v. Cummings]]
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* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/783 412 U.S. 783] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[White v. Weiser]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/800 412 U.S. 800] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Atchison, T. &amp; S.F. R. Co. v. Wichita Board of Trade]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/837 412 U.S. 837] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Barnes v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/909 412 U.S. 909] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Bland v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/954 412 U.S. 954] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[Meisel v. United States]]
* [http://openjurist.org/412/us/958 412 U.S. 958] ([[:Category:1973 works|1973]]) [[United Mine Workers v. McGuire Shaft and Tunnel Corp.]]
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John Mason- (c. 1645-1694). 

THE world can neither give nor take, 
Nor can they comprehend 
That peace of God w'hich Christ hath 
bought, 
That peace which knows no end. 

The burning bush was not consumed 
Whilst God remained there ; 

The three, when Jesus made the 
Found fire as soft as air. [fourth. 

��God's furnace doth in Zion stand ; 

But Zion's God sits by, 
As the refiner views his gold 

With an observant eye. 

His thoughts are high, his love is 
wise. 
His wounds a cure intend ; 
And, though he doth not always 
smile. 
He loves unto the end. 

��His love is constant as the sun. 
Though clouds come oft between ; 

And, could my faith but pierce these clouds, 
It might be always seen. 

Yet I shall ever, ever sing, 

And thou for ever shine ; 
I have thine own dear pledge for this ; 

Lord, thou art ever mine. 

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Anon. 
Samuel Sebastian Wesley's European Psalmist (lS7i). 

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HORATIUS BONAR (180S-1S89). 

SILENT, like men in solemn haste, 
Girded wayfarers of the waste, 
We press along the narrow road 
That leads to life, to truth, to God. 

We fling aside the weight, the sin. 
Resolved the victory to win ; 
We know the peril, but our eyes 
Rest on the grandeur of the prize. 

&quot;No idling now, no wasteful sleep. 
Our hands from earnest toil to keep ; 
No shrinking from the desperate fight, 
No thought of yielding or of flight ; 

No love of present gain or ease, 
No seeking man or self to please ; 
With the brave heart and steady eye. 
We onward march to victory. 

What though with weariness oppressed? 
'Tis but a little, and we rest ; 
Finished the toil — the race is run ; 
The battle fought — the field is won. 

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 2/6th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 38|Acceptance of Jurisdiction of the Western Reserve]]''. An act to authorize the President of the United States to accept for the United States a cession of jurisdiction of the territory west of Pennsylvania, commonly called the Western Reserve of Connecticut.{{gap|1em}}April 28, 1800.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 2/6th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 39|Rebuilding the Light-house at New London, &amp;c.]]''. An act to provide for rebuilding the light-house at New London; for the support of a light-house at Clark’s Point; for the erection and support of a light-house at Wigwam Point, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1800.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 27|''Appropriations for the Military Service for'' 1824]]. An act making appropriations for the military service of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 10, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 28|District Court in Alabama]]''. An act for the better organization of the district courts of the United States within the state of Alabama.{{gap|1em}}March 10, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 29|Boundary Line between Edwardsville and Springfield Land Districts]]''. An act to define the boundary line between the Edwardsville and Springfield land districts, in the state of Illinois.{{gap|1em}}March 16, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 30|District Court of Kentucky]]''. An act to change the terms of the district court of the United States for the Kentucky district.{{gap|1em}}March 24, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 31|Assistants to be employed in the General Land Office]]''. An act to authorize the employing of certain assistants in the general land office.{{gap|1em}}March 24, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 32|''Appropriations for the Support of Government in'' 1824]]. An act making appropriations for the support of government for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 2, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 33|Turnpike Company in the District of Columbia]]''. An act to amend an act, entitled “An act for the establishment of a turnpike company in the county of Alexandria, in the District of Columbia.”{{gap|1em}}April 9, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 34|Pensions]]''. An act extending the term of pensions granted to persons disabled, and to the widows and orphans of those who have been slain, or who have died, in consequence of wounds or casualties, received while in the line of their duty, on board the private armed ships of the United States, during the late war. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 9, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 35|Acts of James Miller, Governor of Arkansas, confirmed]]''. An act confirming certain acts of James Miller, as governor of the territory of Arkansas, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}April 9, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 36|Circuit and District Courts of Ohio and Kentucky]]''. An act to change the terms of the circuit and district courts of the United States in the state of Ohio, and one of the terms of the circuit court in Kentucky.{{gap|1em}}April 22, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 37|Consent to an Act of the Legislative Council of Florida levying a Poll-tax]]''. An act giving the consent and sanction of Congress to a certain act of the legislative council of the territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}April 22, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 38|District Court of Illinois]]''. An act to alter the times of holding the district court of the United States for the district of Illinois.{{gap|1em}}April 22, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 39|Imprisonment for Debt]]''. An act supplementary to the act, entitled “An act supplementary to the act, entitled ‘An act for the relief of persons imprisoned for debt.’”{{gap|1em}}April 22, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 43|''Appropriation for the Support of the Navy for'' 1824]]. An act making appropriations for the support of the navy of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 44|''Appropriations for certain Fortifications for'' 1824]]. An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 45|District Court in Missouri]]''. An act to alter the times of holding the district court in the district of Missouri.{{gap|1em}}April 29, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 46|Surveys and Plans for Roads and Canals]]''. An act to procure the necessary surveys, plans, and estimates upon the subject of roads and canals.{{gap|1em}}April 30, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 47|Reward to the Officers and Crews of Gigs and Boats under the Command of Lieutenant Francis H. Gregory]]''. An act rewarding the officers and crews of two gigs or small boats, under the command of Lieutenant Francis H. Gregory of the United States navy.{{gap|1em}}May 4, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 65|Consent of Congress to Acts of the State of Alabama]]''. An act declaring the consent of Congress to certain acts of the state of Alabama.{{gap|1em}}May 13, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 66|Courts in the District of Columbia]]''. An act altering the times of holding the courts in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}May 13, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 88|Debt due the United States by the Purchasers of Public Lands]]''. An act to provide for the extinguishment of the debt due to the United States by the purchasers of public lands. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 18, 1824.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 7|Confirmation of Land Claims in Louisiana]]''. An act confirming certain claims to lands in the western district of Louisiana.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 5, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 9|Compensation to Persons appointed to deliver the Votes for President and Vice President]]''. An act making compensation to the persons appointed by the electors to delivery the votes for President and Vice President.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 11, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 10|Duties on Books, Maps, and Charts imported for the Library of Congress]]''. An act to remit the duties on books, maps, and charts imported for the use of the library of Congress. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 11, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 11|''Appropriations for the Military Service for'' 1825]]. An act making appropriations for the military service of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 21, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|''Appropriations for the Navy for'' 1825]]. An act making appropriations for the support of the Navy of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 21, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 13|''Appropriations for the Support of Government for'' 1825]]. An act making appropriations for the support of government, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 14|Appropriations for Books and Furniture for the Library of Congress]]''. An act making an appropriation for the purchase of books and furniture for the use of the library of Congress. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15|''Appropriations for Fortifications for'' 1825]]. An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 2, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 16|''Appropriations for the Military Service for'' 1825]]. An act making further appropriations for the military service, for the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 18|Arming the Militia of the District of Columbia]]''. An act for arming the militia of the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 20|Assent of Congress to an Act of the Assembly of Virginia]]''. An act declaring the assent of Congress to an act of the general assembly of Virginia, therein mentioned.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 25|Adjournment of the Circuit Court for the District of Columbia]]''. An act respecting the adjournment of the circuit court for the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 35|Appropriation for a Public Road from Pensacola to St. Augustine]]''. An act to provide an additional appropriation to complete the public road from Pensacola to St. Augustine, in the territory of Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 45|Drawbacks]]''. An act authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to direct the completion of entries for the benefit of drawback, after the period of twenty days.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 46|Post-roads]]''. An act to establish certain post-roads, and to discontinue others.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 50|A Road from the Western Frontier of Missouri to the Confines of New Mexico]]''. An act to authorize the President of the United States to cause a road to be marked out from the western frontier of Missouri to the confines of New Mexico.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 51|Circuit and District Courts in New York]]''. An act fixing the place for holding the circuit and district courts of the United States for the southern district of New York.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 52|Chesapeake and Ohio Canal Company]]''. An act confirming the act of the legislature of Virginia, entitled “An act incorporating the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal Company,” and “An act of the state of Maryland confirming the same.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 57|Claims of the Commissioners, &amp;c., of Land Claims in Florida]]''. An act making appropriation to satisfy certain balances due to the commissioners and secretaries of land claims in Florida.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 64|Post-office]]''. An act to reduce into one the several acts establishing and regulating the Post-office Department.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 4/18th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 65|Crimes]]''. An act more effectually to provide for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1825.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 1|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making an appropriation for repressing hostilities commenced by the Seminole Indians.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 3|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making an additional appropriation for repressing hostilities commenced by the Seminole Indians. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 5|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of certain Banks in the District of Columbia to the first day of October one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 7|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 11, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 38|Fire Insurance Company of Alexandria]].'' An act to incorporate a fire insurance company in the town of Alexandria, in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 17, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 40|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of the Bank of Columbia, in Georgetown, and the Bank of Alexandria, in the city of Alexandria. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 41|Courts in Florida]].'' An act authorizing a special term of the court of appeals for the Territory of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1836|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 42|Relief of sufferers by fire in the city of New York]].'' An act for the relief of the sufferers by the fire in the city of New York. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 43|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act authorizing the Secretary of War to transfer a part of the appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities in Florida, to the credit of subsistence. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 44|Volunteers and militia corps in the service of the United States]].'' An act to provide for the payment of volunteers and militia corps in the service of the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 46|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making a further appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities in Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 47|Relief of sufferers by fire in the city of New York]].'' An act amendatory of “the Act for the relief of the sufferers by fire in the city of New York,” passed March 19th, 1836. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 5, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 48|Appropriations for the support of the Government]].'' An act to suspend the operation of the second proviso, third section of “An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-five.” (Expired.){{gap|1em}}April 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 1|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making an appropriation for repressing hostilities commenced by the Seminole Indians.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 3|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making an additional appropriation for repressing hostilities commenced by the Seminole Indians. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 5|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of certain Banks in the District of Columbia to the first day of October one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 7|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 11, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 38|Fire Insurance Company of Alexandria]].'' An act to incorporate a fire insurance company in the town of Alexandria, in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 17, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 40|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of the Bank of Columbia, in Georgetown, and the Bank of Alexandria, in the city of Alexandria. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 41|Courts in Florida]].'' An act authorizing a special term of the court of appeals for the Territory of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 25, 1836|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 42|Relief of sufferers by fire in the city of New York]].'' An act for the relief of the sufferers by the fire in the city of New York. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 43|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act authorizing the Secretary of War to transfer a part of the appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities in Florida, to the credit of subsistence. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 44|Volunteers and militia corps in the service of the United States]].'' An act to provide for the payment of volunteers and militia corps in the service of the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 46|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making a further appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities in Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 47|Relief of sufferers by fire in the city of New York]].'' An act amendatory of “the Act for the relief of the sufferers by fire in the city of New York,” passed March 19th, 1836. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 5, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 48|Appropriations for the support of the Government]].'' An act to suspend the operation of the second proviso, third section of “An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-five.” (Expired.){{gap|1em}}April 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 50|The Bank of the United States not required to perform the duties of Commissioner of Loans]].'' An act to repeal so much of the act entitled “An act transferring the duties of Commissioners of Loans to the Bank of the United States, and abolishing the office of Commissioner of Loans,” as requires the Bank of the United States to perform the duties of Commissioner of loans for the several States.{{gap|1em}}April 11, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 52|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six.{{gap|1em}}April 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 53|Indian Treaties]].'' An act to carry into effect the treaties concluded by the Chickasaw tribe of Indians on the twentieth October, eighteen hundred and thirty-two, and the twenty-fourth May, eighteen hundred and thirty-four.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 54|Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act establishing the Territorial Government of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 55|Mackerel Fisheries]].'' An act in addition to the act of the twenty-fourth of May, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-eight, entitled “An act to authorize the licensing of vessels to be employed in the mackerel fishery.”{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 56|Pensions]].'' An act to prescribe the mode of paying pensions heretofore granted by the United States.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 57|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making a further appropriation for suppressing Indian hostilities in Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 58|Railroad through Public Lands in Massachusetts]].'' An act to authorize the construction of a railroad through lands of the United States in Springfield, Massachusetts. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 59|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 60|Salaries of Clerks, &amp;c., in the Public Offices]].'' An act providing for the salaries of certain officers therein named, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 61|Appropriations for the Navy]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 62|Appropriations for the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 76|Patents for the Public Lands]].'' An act to give effect to patents for public lands issued in the names of deceased persons.{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 77|Pensions]].'' An act explanatory of the act entitled “An act to prevent defalcations on the part of the disbursing agents of the Government, and for other purposes.”{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 79|Corporations in the District of Columbia]].'' An act for the relief of the several corporate cities of the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 80|Army of the United States]].'' An act authorizing the President of the United States to accept the service of volunteers, and to raise an additional regiment of dragoons or mounted riflemen. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}May 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 81|Hostilities by the Creek Indians]].'' An act making appropriations for the suppression of hostilities by the Creek Indians.{{gap|1em}}May 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 82|Expenses of Volunteers for the defence of Florida]].'' An act to provide for the payment of expenses incurred and supplies furnished on account of the militia or volunteers received into the service of the United States for the defence of Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 28, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 85|Pensioners in Virginia and Ohio]].'' An act to provide for the payment of certain pensioners in the States of Virginia and Ohio.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 86|Western Boundary of Missouri]].'' An act to extend the western boundary of the State of Missouri to the Missouri river.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 87|Convention between the United States and Spain]].'' An act to carry into effect a convention between the United States and Spain.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 88|Expenses of the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the current expenses of the Indian Department, for Indian annuities, and other similar objects, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 89|Arsenal in North Carolina]].'' An act to establish an arsenal of construction in the State of North Carolina.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 97|Bank of the United States]].'' An act repealing the fourteenth section of the “Act to incorporate the subscribers to the Bank of the United States,” approved April tenth, eighteen hundred and sixteen.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 52|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six.{{gap|1em}}April 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 53|Indian Treaties]].'' An act to carry into effect the treaties concluded by the Chickasaw tribe of Indians on the twentieth October, eighteen hundred and thirty-two, and the twenty-fourth May, eighteen hundred and thirty-four.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 54|Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act establishing the Territorial Government of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 55|Mackerel Fisheries]].'' An act in addition to the act of the twenty-fourth of May, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-eight, entitled “An act to authorize the licensing of vessels to be employed in the mackerel fishery.”{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 56|Pensions]].'' An act to prescribe the mode of paying pensions heretofore granted by the United States.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 57|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making a further appropriation for suppressing Indian hostilities in Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 58|Railroad through Public Lands in Massachusetts]].'' An act to authorize the construction of a railroad through lands of the United States in Springfield, Massachusetts. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 29, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 59|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 60|Salaries of Clerks, &amp;c., in the Public Offices]].'' An act providing for the salaries of certain officers therein named, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 61|Appropriations for the Navy]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 62|Appropriations for the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 76|Patents for the Public Lands]].'' An act to give effect to patents for public lands issued in the names of deceased persons.{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 77|Pensions]].'' An act explanatory of the act entitled “An act to prevent defalcations on the part of the disbursing agents of the Government, and for other purposes.”{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 79|Corporations in the District of Columbia]].'' An act for the relief of the several corporate cities of the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}May 20, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 80|Army of the United States]].'' An act authorizing the President of the United States to accept the service of volunteers, and to raise an additional regiment of dragoons or mounted riflemen. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}May 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 81|Hostilities by the Creek Indians]].'' An act making appropriations for the suppression of hostilities by the Creek Indians.{{gap|1em}}May 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 82|Expenses of Volunteers for the defence of Florida]].'' An act to provide for the payment of expenses incurred and supplies furnished on account of the militia or volunteers received into the service of the United States for the defence of Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 28, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 85|Pensioners in Virginia and Ohio]].'' An act to provide for the payment of certain pensioners in the States of Virginia and Ohio.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 86|Western Boundary of Missouri]].'' An act to extend the western boundary of the State of Missouri to the Missouri river.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 88|Expenses of the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the current expenses of the Indian Department, for Indian annuities, and other similar objects, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 89|Arsenal in North Carolina]].'' An act to establish an arsenal of construction in the State of North Carolina.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 97|Bank of the United States]].'' An act repealing the fourteenth section of the “Act to incorporate the subscribers to the Bank of the United States,” approved April tenth, eighteen hundred and sixteen.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 99|Northern boundary of Ohio. State of Michigan]].'' An act to establish the northern boundary line of the State of Ohio, and to provide for the admission of the State of Michigan into the Union upon the conditions therein expressed.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 115|Deposites of Public Money]].'' An act to regulate the deposites of the public money.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 116|Bank of the United States]].'' An act authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to act as the agent of the United States in all matters relating to their stock in the Bank of the United States.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 117|Northern Boundary of Ohio]].'' An act to settle and establish the northern boundary line of the State of Ohio.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 118|Land Office in Mississippi]].'' An act to remove the land office from Clinton to Jackson in the State of Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 119|Improvement of Rivers in Alabama]].'' An act to amend an act to grant certain relinquished and unappropriated lands to the State of Alabama, for the purpose of improving the navigation of the Tennessee, Coosa, Cahaba and Black Warrior river.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 120|State of Arkansas]].'' An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act for the admission of the State of Arkansas into the Union, and to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the same, and for other purposes.”{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 121|State of Michigan]].'' An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act to establish the northern boundary line of the State of Ohio, and to provide for the admission of the State of Michigan into the Union on certain conditions.”{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 230|Pensioners in Tennessee]].'' An act to provide for the paying of certain pensioners of the United States at Pulaski, in the State of Tennessee.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 231|Acts of the Legislature of Florida disapproved and annulled]].'' An act to disapprove and annul certain acts of the Territorial Legislature of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 232|District Court in the Western District of Virginia]].'' An act to change the time of holding the District Court of the United States for the Western District of Virginia, holden at Clarksburg.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 233|Railroad Iron]].'' An act explanatory of an act entitled “An act to release from duty iron prepared for, and actually laid on railways and inclined planes.”{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 234|State of Michigan]].'' An act to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the State of Michigan.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 235|Penitentiary in the District of Columbia]].'' An act making appropriation for the payment of charges incurred for the support of the Penitentiary in the District of Columbia, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-five, and for the support of said Penitentiary, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 236|Sale of Lands for a Seminary of Learning in Florida]].'' An act to authorize the Governor and Legislative Council of the Territory of Florida to sell the lands heretofore reserved for the benefit of a general seminary of learning in said Territory.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 248|Road on the Lands of the United States in Massachusetts]].'' An act authorizing the Winnisimmet Company to lay out and make a way on lands of the United States in Chelsea, in the State of Massachusetts.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 249|Bridge at Harper’s Ferry]].'' An act to authorize the Shenandoah Bridge Company, at Harper’s Ferry, to erect a bridge on the lands of the United States, at or near the town of Harper’s Ferry.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 252|Smithsonian Legacy]].'' An act to authorize and enable the President to assert, and prosecute with effect, the claim of the United States to the legacy bequeathed to them by James Smithson, late of London, deceased, to found at Washington, under the name of the Smithsonian Institution, an establishment for the increase and diffusion of knowledge among men.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 253|Officers of Revenue Cutters]].'' An act to regulate the compensation of certain officers of revenue cutters.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 254|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making appropriations for the suppression of Indian hostilities, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 255|Railroad through the Public Lands]].'' An act to grant to the New Orleans and Nashville Railroad Company, the right of way through the public lands of the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 116|Bank of the United States]].'' An act authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to act as the agent of the United States in all matters relating to their stock in the Bank of the United States.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 118|Land Office in Mississippi]].'' An act to remove the land office from Clinton to Jackson in the State of Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 119|Improvement of Rivers in Alabama]].'' An act to amend an act to grant certain relinquished and unappropriated lands to the State of Alabama, for the purpose of improving the navigation of the Tennessee, Coosa, Cahaba and Black Warrior river.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 230|Pensioners in Tennessee]].'' An act to provide for the paying of certain pensioners of the United States at Pulaski, in the State of Tennessee.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 231|Acts of the Legislature of Florida disapproved and annulled]].'' An act to disapprove and annul certain acts of the Territorial Legislature of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 232|District Court in the Western District of Virginia]].'' An act to change the time of holding the District Court of the United States for the Western District of Virginia, holden at Clarksburg.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 233|Railroad Iron]].'' An act explanatory of an act entitled “An act to release from duty iron prepared for, and actually laid on railways and inclined planes.”{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 234|State of Michigan]].'' An act to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the State of Michigan.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 235|Penitentiary in the District of Columbia]].'' An act making appropriation for the payment of charges incurred for the support of the Penitentiary in the District of Columbia, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-five, and for the support of said Penitentiary, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 248|Road on the Lands of the United States in Massachusetts]].'' An act authorizing the Winnisimmet Company to lay out and make a way on lands of the United States in Chelsea, in the State of Massachusetts.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 252|Smithsonian Legacy]].'' An act to authorize and enable the President to assert, and prosecute with effect, the claim of the United States to the legacy bequeathed to them by James Smithson, late of London, deceased, to found at Washington, under the name of the Smithsonian Institution, an establishment for the increase and diffusion of knowledge among men.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 253|Officers of Revenue Cutters]].'' An act to regulate the compensation of certain officers of revenue cutters.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 257|Arsenal at Charleston, South Carolina]].'' An act to repair and extend the United States’ Arsenal at Charleston, South Carolina. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 258|Protection of the Western Frontier]].'' An act to provide for the better protection of the western frontier.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 259|Delaware Breakwater. Improvement of Harbors and Rivers]].'' An act making additional appropriations for the Delaware Breakwater, and for certain harbors, and removing obstructions in and at the mouths of certain rivers, and for other purposes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 260|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of certain Banks in the District of Columbia, and for other purposes. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 261|Courts in Florida]].'' An act regulating the terms of the Superior Courts of the Middle District of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 262|Towns in Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act for laying off the towns of Fort Madison and Burlington, in the county of Des Moines, and the towns of Bellevue, Du Buque, and Peru, in the county of Du Buque, Territory of Wisconsin, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 263|Volunteers of Missouri and Indiana]].'' An act for the payment of certain companies of the militia of Missouri and Indiana, for services rendered against the Indians in eighteen hundred and thirty-two. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 257|Arsenal at Charleston, South Carolina]].'' An act to repair and extend the United States’ Arsenal at Charleston, South Carolina. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 258|Protection of the Western Frontier]].'' An act to provide for the better protection of the western frontier.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 259|Delaware Breakwater. Improvement of Harbors and Rivers]].'' An act making additional appropriations for the Delaware Breakwater, and for certain harbors, and removing obstructions in and at the mouths of certain rivers, and for other purposes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 260|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of certain Banks in the District of Columbia, and for other purposes. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 262|Towns in Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act for laying off the towns of Fort Madison and Burlington, in the county of Des Moines, and the towns of Bellevue, Du Buque, and Peru, in the county of Du Buque, Territory of Wisconsin, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 263|Volunteers of Missouri and Indiana]].'' An act for the payment of certain companies of the militia of Missouri and Indiana, for services rendered against the Indians in eighteen hundred and thirty-two. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 267|Indian Treaties]].'' An act making further appropriations for carrying into effect certain Indian Treaties. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 259|Delaware Breakwater. Improvement of Harbors and Rivers]].'' An act making additional appropriations for the Delaware Breakwater, and for certain harbors, and removing obstructions in and at the mouths of certain rivers, and for other purposes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 2, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 357|Patents for useful Inventions]].'' An act to promote the progress of useful arts, and to repeal all acts and parts of acts heretofore made for that purpose.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 359|Discriminating Duties]].'' An act to suspend the discriminating duties upon goods imported in vessels of Portugal, and to reduce the duties on wines.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 360|Purchase of the Patents of W. H. Bell, for Invention for elevating and pointing Cannon]].'' An act for the purchase of certain rights or inventions of William H. Bell, of North Carolina.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTIONS.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Post-Roads in Missouri and Arkansas'']]. Resolution to establish certain post-roads in Missouri and Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Public Lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek'']]. Resolution to suspend the sale of a part of the public lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Post Office'']]. A resolution to change the time of making contracts for the transportation of the mail.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Claims of Massachusetts and of other States'']]. A resolution to authorize the Secretary of War to receive additional evidence in support of the claims of Massachusetts and other States of the United States, for disbursements, services, &amp;c., during the late war.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 6|No. 6. ''Bridge across the Potomac'']]. A resolution authorizing the repair of the bridge across the river Potomac, at Washington.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Distribution of Weights and Measures'']]. A resolution providing for the distribution of weights and measures.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 8|No. 8. ''Paintings in the Rotundo'']]. A resolution to furnish the Rotundo with paintings.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 9|No. 9. ''Claims of Fulton’s Heirs'']]. A resolution referring the petition and papers of the heirs of Robert Fulton, deceased, to the Secretary of the Navy, to report thereon to Congress.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 10|No. 10. ''Bridge over the Potomac'']]. Resolution to apply the unexpended balance of the appropriation for the Potomac bridge to the improvement of Maryland avenue, leading thereto, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 9, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|''Mint'']]. An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act establishing a Mint, and regulating the coins of the United States.”{{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 4|''Pensions'']]. An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|''Horses and property destroyed in the Military Service'']]. An act to provide for the payment of horses and other property lost or destroyed in the military service of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 6|''State of Michigan'']]. An act to admit the State of Michigan into the Union upon an equal footing with the original states. {{gap|1em}}Jan. 26, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 9|''Railroads through the Public Lands in Florida'']]. An act to authorize certain Railroad Companies to construct railroads through the public lands in the Territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 31, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|''Port of New Orleans'']]. An act to extend the limits of the Port of New Orleans.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 363|Improvement of Harbors]].'' An act making appropriations for the improvement of certain harbors therein mentioned, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 364|Certificates to Importers of Wines]].'' An act to repeal so much of the act of March second, seventeen hundred and ninety-nine, as respects the issuing of certificates on the importation of wines.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTIONS.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Post-Roads in Missouri and Arkansas'']]. Resolution to establish certain post-roads in Missouri and Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Public Lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek'']]. Resolution to suspend the sale of a part of the public lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Post Office'']]. A resolution to change the time of making contracts for the transportation of the mail.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Claims of Massachusetts and of other States'']]. A resolution to authorize the Secretary of War to receive additional evidence in support of the claims of Massachusetts and other States of the United States, for disbursements, services, &amp;c., during the late war.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 6|No. 6. ''Bridge across the Potomac'']]. A resolution authorizing the repair of the bridge across the river Potomac, at Washington.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Distribution of Weights and Measures'']]. A resolution providing for the distribution of weights and measures.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 8|No. 8. ''Paintings in the Rotundo'']]. A resolution to furnish the Rotundo with paintings.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 9|No. 9. ''Claims of Fulton’s Heirs'']]. A resolution referring the petition and papers of the heirs of Robert Fulton, deceased, to the Secretary of the Navy, to report thereon to Congress.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 10|No. 10. ''Bridge over the Potomac'']]. Resolution to apply the unexpended balance of the appropriation for the Potomac bridge to the improvement of Maryland avenue, leading thereto, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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{{center|STATUTE Ⅱ.—1837.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 9, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|''Mint'']]. An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act establishing a Mint, and regulating the coins of the United States.”{{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 4|''Pensions'']]. An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|142|36}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|''Horses and property destroyed in the Military Service'']]. An act to provide for the payment of horses and other property lost or destroyed in the military service of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 6|''State of Michigan'']]. An act to admit the State of Michigan into the Union upon an equal footing with the original states. {{gap|1em}}Jan. 26, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 9|''Railroads through the Public Lands in Florida'']]. An act to authorize certain Railroad Companies to construct railroads through the public lands in the Territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 31, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|''Port of New Orleans'']]. An act to extend the limits of the Port of New Orleans.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 3, 1837.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTIONS.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Rations to Inhabitants of Florida'']]. Resolution authorizing the President to furnish rations to certain inhabitants of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Post-Roads in Missouri and Arkansas'']]. Resolution to establish certain post-roads in Missouri and Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Public Lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek'']]. Resolution to suspend the sale of a part of the public lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Post Office'']]. A resolution to change the time of making contracts for the transportation of the mail.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Claims of Massachusetts and of other States'']]. A resolution to authorize the Secretary of War to receive additional evidence in support of the claims of Massachusetts and other States of the United States, for disbursements, services, &amp;c., during the late war.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 6|No. 6. ''Bridge across the Potomac'']]. A resolution authorizing the repair of the bridge across the river Potomac, at Washington.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Distribution of Weights and Measures'']]. A resolution providing for the distribution of weights and measures.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 8|No. 8. ''Paintings in the Rotundo'']]. A resolution to furnish the Rotundo with paintings.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 9|No. 9. ''Claims of Fulton’s Heirs'']]. A resolution referring the petition and papers of the heirs of Robert Fulton, deceased, to the Secretary of the Navy, to report thereon to Congress.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 10|No. 10. ''Bridge over the Potomac'']]. Resolution to apply the unexpended balance of the appropriation for the Potomac bridge to the improvement of Maryland avenue, leading thereto, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 1|''Lands ceded to the United States by Indian Tribes'']]. An act to regulate, in certain cases, the disposition of the proceeds of lands ceded by Indian tribes to the United States.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 9, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 9, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|''Mint'']]. An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act establishing a Mint, and regulating the coins of the United States.”{{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 4|''Pensions'']]. An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|''Horses and property destroyed in the Military Service'']]. An act to provide for the payment of horses and other property lost or destroyed in the military service of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 6|''State of Michigan'']]. An act to admit the State of Michigan into the Union upon an equal footing with the original states. {{gap|1em}}Jan. 26, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 9|''Railroads through the Public Lands in Florida'']]. An act to authorize certain Railroad Companies to construct railroads through the public lands in the Territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 31, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|''Port of New Orleans'']]. An act to extend the limits of the Port of New Orleans.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 361|Public Lands in Missouri]].'' An act confirming claims to land in the State of Missouri, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 362|Pensions to Widows and Orphans]].'' An act granting half-pay to widows and orphans, where their husbands and fathers have died of wounds received in the military service of the United States, in certain cases, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 363|Improvement of Harbors]].'' An act making appropriations for the improvement of certain harbors therein mentioned, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-six, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 364|Certificates to Importers of Wines]].'' An act to repeal so much of the act of March second, seventeen hundred and ninety-nine, as respects the issuing of certificates on the importation of wines.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Rations to Inhabitants of Florida'']]. Resolution authorizing the President to furnish rations to certain inhabitants of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Post-Roads in Missouri and Arkansas'']]. Resolution to establish certain post-roads in Missouri and Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Public Lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek'']]. Resolution to suspend the sale of a part of the public lands acquired by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.{{gap|1em}}May 9, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Post Office'']]. A resolution to change the time of making contracts for the transportation of the mail.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Claims of Massachusetts and of other States'']]. A resolution to authorize the Secretary of War to receive additional evidence in support of the claims of Massachusetts and other States of the United States, for disbursements, services, &amp;c., during the late war.{{gap|1em}}May 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 6|No. 6. ''Bridge across the Potomac'']]. A resolution authorizing the repair of the bridge across the river Potomac, at Washington.{{gap|1em}}June 7, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Distribution of Weights and Measures'']]. A resolution providing for the distribution of weights and measures.{{gap|1em}}June 14, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 8|No. 8. ''Paintings in the Rotundo'']]. A resolution to furnish the Rotundo with paintings.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 9|No. 9. ''Claims of Fulton’s Heirs'']]. A resolution referring the petition and papers of the heirs of Robert Fulton, deceased, to the Secretary of the Navy, to report thereon to Congress.{{gap|1em}}June 23, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 10|No. 10. ''Bridge over the Potomac'']]. Resolution to apply the unexpended balance of the appropriation for the Potomac bridge to the improvement of Maryland avenue, leading thereto, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 1, 1836.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 9, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|''Mint'']]. An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act establishing a Mint, and regulating the coins of the United States.”{{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 4|''Pensions'']]. An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|''Horses and property destroyed in the Military Service'']]. An act to provide for the payment of horses and other property lost or destroyed in the military service of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 6|''State of Michigan'']]. An act to admit the State of Michigan into the Union upon an equal footing with the original states. {{gap|1em}}Jan. 26, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 9|''Railroads through the Public Lands in Florida'']]. An act to authorize certain Railroad Companies to construct railroads through the public lands in the Territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 31, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|''Port of New Orleans'']]. An act to extend the limits of the Port of New Orleans.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 13|''Collection District of Fall River, a Port of Entry'']]. An act to change the name of the Collection District of Dighton, in the State of Massachusetts, to Fall River, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 13, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 14|''Branch Mints'']]. An act to amend an act entitled “An act to establish branches of the Mint of the United States,” passed the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and thirty-five.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 13, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15|''Duties on Imports'']]. An act to suspend certain provisoes of “An act to alter and amend the several acts imposing duties on imports,” approved the fourteenth day of July, eighteen hundred and thirty-two. (Obsolete.) {{gap|1em}}March 1, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 16|''District Court of Arkansas'']]. An act to extend the jurisdiction of the District Court of the United States for the district of Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 17|''Appropriations for the Army in'' 1837]]. An act making appropriations for the support of the army, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 18|''Military Academy at West Point'']]. An act to provide for the support of the Military Academy of the United States for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 19|''Discriminating Duties'']]. An act respecting discriminating duties upon Dutch and Belgian vessels and their cargoes.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 20|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an additional appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 21|''Enlistment of Boys in the Naval Service, &amp;c'']]. An act to provide for the enlistment of boys in the naval service, and to extend the term of the enlistment of seamen.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 22|''Pilots'']]. An act concerning pilots.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 23|''Relief of Insolvent Debtors of the United States'']]. An act to extend for a longer period the several acts now in force for the relief of certain insolvent debtors of the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 25|''Titles to Land allotted for the Cultivation of the Vine and Olive'']]. An act to provide for the adjustment of title and final disposition of the four reserved sections in the tract of territory allotted to the Tombeebee Association for the encouragement of the cultivation of the vine and olive.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 30|''Appropriations for the Navy for'' 1837]]. An act making appropriations for the naval service, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 31|''Indian Department and Indian Treaties'']]. An act making appropriations for the current expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfilling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 32|''Titles of Officers of the Navy'']]. An act to change the titles of certain officers in the navy.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 33|''Appropriations for the support of Government for'' 1837]]. An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 34|''Supreme and Circuit Courts'']]. An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act to amend the judicial system of the United States.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 35|''Treasury of the United States'']]. An act to authorize the proper officers of the Treasury Department to credit the account of the Treasurer of the United States with the amount of the unavailable funds standing to his debit on the books of the Treasury, to transfer the amount of the debit of banks and individuals indebted for the same, and to authorize the Secretary of the Treasury to compromise and settle said claims. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 36|''Towns in Iowa and Wisconsin'']]. An act to amend an act entitled “An act for laying off the towns of Fort Maidson and Burlington, in the county of Des Moines, and the towns of Bellevue, Du Buque and Peru, in the county of Du Buque, and Mineral Point, in the county of Iowa, territory of Wisconsin, and for other purposes,” approved July second, eighteen hundred and thirty-six. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 37|''Convention between the United States and Spain'']]. An act to continue in force, for a limited time, the act entitled “An act to carry into effect a convention between the United States and Spain.” (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 38|''Navy Pension Fund'']]. An act for the more equitable administration of the Navy Pension Fund.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 40|''Light-Houses'']]. An act making appropriations for building light-houses, light-boats, beacon-lights, buoys, and dolphins, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 41|''Sale of Reservations of Land under the Treaty with the Creek Indians'']]. An act to authorize and sanction the sales of reserves, provided for Creek Indians in the treaty of March twenty-four, eighteen hundred and thirty-two, in certain cases, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 42|''Pensions to Widows and Orphans'']]. An act explanatory of the act entitled “An act granting half-pay to widows and orphans where their husbands and fathers have died of wounds received in the military service of the United States, and for other purposes.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 43|''Commissioner of Pensions'']]. An act to continue the office of Commissioner of Pensions.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 44|''Improvement of Harbors and Rivers'']]. An act to provide for certain harbors, and for the removal of obstructions in and at the mouths of certain rivers, and for other purposes, during the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 45|''Patents for useful Inventions'']]. An act in addition to the act to promote the progress of science and useful arts.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 46|''Roads. The Cumberland Road. Road in Florida. Surveys.'']]. An act to provide for continuing the construction, and for the repair of certain roads, and for other purposes, during the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 49|''Railroad on the Public Lands in Florida'']]. An act to grant the Atchafalaya Railroad and Banking Company the right of way over the public lands of the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 51|''Chesapeake and Ohio Canal'']]. An act further to amend the act incorporating the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal Company.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 52|''Railroad in Louisiana'']]. An act to authroize the New Orleans and Carrollton Railroad Company to construct a railroad from Carrollton to the town of Bayou Sara, in the State of Louisiana.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 75|''Banks in Wisconsin Territory'']]. An act to give the approval and confirmation of Congress to three several acts of the Legislative Assembly of the Territory of Wisconsin, incorporating Banks.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTIONS.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Post Office'']]. A resolution to enable the Postmaster General more readily to change the commencement of the contract year in the Post Office Department.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Pension to Susan Decatur'']]. A resolution granting a pension to Susan Decatur, widow of the late Stephen Decatur.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Correction of an error in the awards under the Treaty with France'']]. Resolution authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to correct a clerical error in the award of the Commissioners under the treaty with France of eighteen hundred and thirty-one.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/24th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Payment for the Stock of the United States in the Bank of the United States'']]. A resolution authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to receive from the Bank of the United States, under the Pennsylvania charter, payment for the stock of the United States in the late Bank of the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1837.|2}}
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{{center|{{larger|STATUTE Ⅰ.—1837.}}}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 1|Postponement of the Fourth Instalment of Deposite with the States]].'' An act to postpone the fourth instalment of deposite with the States.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 2, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 2|Treasury Notes]].'' An act to authorize the issuing of Treasury Notes.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 12, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 3|Fees of District Attorneys]].'' An act to regulate the fees of District Attorneys in certain cases.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 12, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 4|''Laws of the United States continued in force'']]. An act to continue in force certain laws to the close of the next session of Congress.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 12, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 5|''Payment for Horses lost or destroyed in the Military Service'']]. An act to amend an act entitled “An act to provide for the payment of horses lost or destroyed in the military service of the United States,” approved January 18th, 1837.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 14, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 6|''Madison Papers'']]. An act for the relief of D. P. Madison.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 14, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 7|''Hostilities with the Seminole Indians'']]. An act making an additional appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 16, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 8|''Postponement of the Payment of Duty Bonds'']]. An act authorizing a further postponement of payment upon duty bonds.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 16, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 9|''Claims on the Deposite Banks'']]. An act for adjusting the remaining claims upon the late deposite banks.{{gap|1em}}Oct. 16, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 10|''Appropriations for the Government in'' 1837]]. An act making further appropriations for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Oct. 16, 1837.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTION.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Express Mail'']]. A resolution directing the postage on letters sent by the Express Mail to be paid in advance. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Oct. 12, 1837.|2}}
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{{center|{{larger|STATUTE ⅠⅠ.—1837, 1838.}}}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 1|Public Vessels to cruise on the Coast in Winter]].'' An act to authorize the President of the United States to cause the public vessels to cruise upon the coast in the winter season and to relieve distressed navigators.{{gap|1em}}Dec. 22, 1837.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|Official acts of John Pope, Governor of Arkansas]].'' An act to ratify and confirm certain official acts of John Pope, late Governor of Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 16, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|Annuities to Osages]].'' An act to provide for the payment of the annuities which will become due and payable to the Great and Little Osages in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 16, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 4|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making a partial appropriation for the suppression of Indian hostilities, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 30, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|Protection of the Northern Frontier]].'' An act making an appropriation for the protection of the northern frontier of the United States. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 30, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|Circuit Court in Alabama]].'' An act to establish the Circuit Court at Huntsville, in the State of Alabama, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 22, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 13|Claims to Reservations under the Treaty with the Choctaw Indians]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act fo rthe appointment of Commissioners to adjust the claims to reservations of land under the fourteenth article of the treaty of eighteen hundred and thirty, with the Choctaw Indians.” (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 22, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 14|Bank of the United States]].'' An act to prevent the abatement of suits and actions now pending, in which the late Bank of the United States may be a party.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15|District Courts in Virginia]].'' An act to change the time of holding the terms of the Circuit Court of the United States for the Eastern District of Virginia, and of the District Court of the United States for the Eastern District of Virginia, directed by law to be held in the city of Richmond.{{gap|1em}}March 2, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 31|Punishment of Military Expeditions against the conterminous Territory of foreign governments at peace with the United States]].'' An act supplementary to an act entitled “An act in addition to the act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States, and to repeal the acts therein mentioned,” approved twentieth of April, eighteen hundred and eighteen.{{gap|1em}}March 10, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 32|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 10, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 33|Circuit Courts in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio]].'' An act to change the times of holding the Circuit and District Courts of the United States in the Seventh Circuit.{{gap|1em}}March 10, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 34|Assent to an Act of the Legislature of Maryland]].'' An act to continue in force an act therein mentioned, relating to the Port of Baltimore.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 46|District Courts of Western Virginia]].'' An act to restore circuit jurisdiction to the District Courts of the Western District of Virginia.{{gap|1em}}March 28, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 54|''Appropriations for the support of Government for'' 1838]]. An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 6, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 55|Appropriations for the support of the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 6, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 56|Unclaimed Pensions]].'' An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States.{{gap|1em}}April 6, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 57|District of Columbia. Quieting Possessions and securing Estates to Purchasers]].'' An act to amend the act for quieting possessions, enrolling conveyances, and securing the estates of purchasers within the District of Columbia, passed the thirty-first day of May, eighteen hundred and thirty-two.{{gap|1em}}April 20, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 59|Removal of the Raft in Red River]].'' An act making an appropriation for the removal of the great raft of Red River. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}April 20, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 82|Treasury Notes]].'' An act to authorize the issuing of Treasury Notes to meet the current expenses of the Government.{{gap|1em}}May 21, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 84|Cumberland Road]].'' An act making appropriations for the continuation of the Cumberland Road in Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}May 25, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 85|Additional Judge of the Orphans’ Court. Washington County Orphans’ Court]].'' An act suppelmentary to the act entitled “An act concerning the District of Columbia.”{{gap|1em}}May 25, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 88|Union Bank of Georgetown]].'' An act to extend the charter of the Union Bank of Georgetown, in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}May 25, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 91|Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to continue the corporate existence of the Banks in the District of Columbia. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}May 31, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 92|''Appropriations for the Navy in'' 1838]]. An act making appropriations for the naval service for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}May 31, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 93|Duties]].'' An act to repeal certain provisoes of “An act to alter and amend the several acts imposing duties on imports,” approved the fourteenth day of July, eighteen hundred and thirty-two.{{gap|1em}}May 31, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 96|Territory of Iowa]].'' An act to divide the Territory of Wisconsin, and to establish the Territorial Government of Iowa.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 97|Appropriations for suppressing Indian Hostilities]].'' An act making appropriations for preventing and suppressing Indian hostilities for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-eight, and for arrearages for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-seven. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 98|Commissions on Duty Bonds]].'' An act to secure the payment of certain commissions on duty bonds to collectors of customs.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 99|Surveyor of the Public Lands in the Territory of Wisconsin]].'' An act to create the office of Surveyor of Public Lands in the Wisconsin Territory.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 100|Land Offices in the Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act to establish two additional land offices in that part of Wisconsin Territory west of the river Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 101|Boundary Line of Michigan and Wisconsin]].'' An act to ascertain and designate the boundary line between the State of Michigan and the Territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 110|Wisconsin Territory]].'' An act concerning a seminary of learning in the Territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 114|Land granted to Wisconsin for a Canal]].'' An act to grant a quantity of land to the Territory of Wisconsin for the purpose of aiding in opening a canal to connect the waters of Lake Michigan with those of Rock River.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 115|District Courts of Mississippi]].'' An act to reorganize the District Courts of the United States in the State of Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 116|Boundary of Iowa]].'' An act to authorize the President of the United States to cause the southern boundary line of the Territory of Iowa to be ascertained and marked.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 117|Public Buildings in Wisconsin]].'' An act making an appropriation for completing the public buildings in Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 118|District Courts of Tennessee]].'' An act to require the Judge of the District Courts of East and West Tennessee to hold a Court at Jackson, in said State.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 119|Pre-emption Rights]].'' An act to grant pre-emption rights to the settlers on the public lands.{{gap|1em}}June 22, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 147|Boilers of Steam-engines]].'' An act authorizing the appointment of persons to test the usefulness of inventions to improve and render safe the boilers of steam-engines against explosions.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 148|Orphans’ Court of Alexandria]].'' An act relating to the Orphans’ Court of Alexandria County, in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 150|Confirmation of an Act of the Legislature of Florida]].'' An act to confirm the act of the Legislative Council of Florida, incorporating the “Florida Peninsula Railroad and Steamboat Company,” and granting the right of way to said Company through the public lands, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 153|Pensions]].'' An act to provide for paying certain pensions at Tuscaloosa, in the State of Alabama.{{gap|1em}}June 28, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 154|Charter of the Bank of Alexandria]].'' An act to extend the charter of the Bank of Alexandria, in the city of Alexandria.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 157|Land granted for a Seat of Justice in Alabama]].'' An act to grant Cherokee County, Alabama, the tract of land on which the seat of justice of said County has been located.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 158|Deposite Act]].'' An act to modify the last clause of the fifth section of the deposite act of the twenty-third of June, eighteen hundred and thirty-six.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 159|Pensions]].'' An act to amend “An act authorizing the Secretary of War to establish a pension agency in the town of Decatur, in the State of Alabama, and to provide for the payment of certain pensioners in the said town of Decatur.”{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 160|Vessels prevented entering the Ports of Mexico by the Blockade]].'' An act to authorize vessels bound for the ports of Mexico, and prevented from completing the voyages in consequence of the existing blockade of those ports, to enter and store their cargoes in the ports of the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 161|Patents for Lands in the Creek Reservation]].'' An act to authorize the issuing of patents to the last bona fide transferee of reservation under the treaty between the United States and the Creek tribe of Indians, which was concluded on the twenty-fourth of March, eighteen hundred and thirty-two.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 162|Army of the United States]].'' An act to increase the present military establishment of the United States, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 5, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 163|Test of Inventions for the Improvement of Steam-Boilers]].'' An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act authorizing the appointment of persons to test the usefulness of inventions to improve and render safe the boilers of steam-engines against explosions,” approved twenty-eighth day of June, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 164|Appropriations for Roads in Florida]].'' An act making appropriations for certain roads in the Territory of Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 165|Sale of Lands near the Wabash and Erie Canal]].'' An act to authorize the sale of certain public lands of the United States near the Wabash and Erie Canal, in the State of Ohio.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 166|Virginia Military Land Warrants]].'' An act to extend the time for locating Virginia military land warrants and returning surveys thereon to the General Land Office.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 167|Erection of a Court-House in Alexandria]].'' An act for the erection of a Court-House in Alexandria, in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 168|Government of Florida]].'' An act to re-organize the Legislative Council of Florida, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 169|Military Academy at West Point]].'' An act to provide for the support of the Military Academy of the United States for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-eight, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 170|Claims of New York for the Services of Militia]].'' An act to provide for the settlement of the claim of the State of New York for the services of her militia.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 171|Improvement of Harbors and Rivers]].'' An act to provide for certain harbors, and for the removal of obstructions in and at the mouths of certain rivers, and for other purposes, during the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 172|Post-Roads]].'' An act to establish certain post-roads and to discontinue others.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 173|Appropriations for Fortifications]].'' An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 174|Duties on Goods destroyed by Fire in New York remitted]].'' An act to remit the duties upon certain good destroyed by fire at the late conflagration in the City of New York. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 175|Collection District in Mississippi]].'' An act to establish a new collection district in the State of Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 176|Land Offices in Louisiana]].'' An act to establish additional land offices in the States of Louisiana and Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 177|Payment for Horses, &amp;c., destroyed  in the Military Service]].'' An act to continue in force the act for the payment of horses and other property lost in the military service. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 178|Coal on board of Steamboats, &amp;c]].'' An act exempting from duty the coal which may be on board of steamboats or vessels propelled by steam on their arrival at any port in the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 179|A Compilation of the Laws of Florida]].'' An act making appropriation for the compilation of the laws of Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 180|Light-Houses, &amp;c]].'' An act making appropriations for building light-houses, light-boats, beacon-lights, buoys, and making surveys, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 181|Judicial District in Florida]].'' An act to establish a new judicial district in the Territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 182|Circuit and District Courts for the Northern District of New York]].'' An act to increase and regulate the terms of the Circuit Court and District Courts for the Northern District of the State of New York.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 183|Road from the Foot of the Rapids of the Miami of the Lakes]].'' An act ceding to the State of Ohio the interest of the United States in a certain  road within that State.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 184|Sale of the Bonds of the Bank of the United States]].'' An act to authorize the sale of certain bonds belonging to the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 185|Prohibition of the Circulation of Bills of Corporations created by Acts of Congress which have expired]].'' An act to prevent the issuing and circulation of the bills, notes, and other securities of corporations created by acts of Congress which have expired.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 186|Appropriations for the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfilling the treaty stipulations  with the various Indian tribes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 187|Acts and Resolutions of Congress]].'' An act to repeal, in part, the act entitled “An act to provide for the safe keeping of the acts, records, and seal of the United States, and for other purposes.”{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 188|Cultivation of Tropical Plants]].'' An act to encourage the introduction and promote the cultivation of tropical plants in the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 189|Pensions]].'' An act granting half-pay and pensions to certain widows.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 190|Roads in Wisconsin]].'' An act making appropriation for certain roads in the Territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 191|Security of Passengers on board of Vessels propelled by steam]].'' An act to provide for the better security of the lives of passengers on board of vessels propelled in whole or in part by steam.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 192|A Criminal Court in the District of Columbia established]].'' An act to establish a criminal court in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 193|Circuit Court in Tennessee and in Maryland]].'' An act to change the time of holding the United States Circuit Court in the District of East Tennessee and the District of Maryland.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 194|Military Establishment of the United States]].'' An act supplementary to an act entitled “An act to increase the present military establishment of the United States, and for other purposes,” approved July fifth, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 212|Prohibition of Circulation of small Notes in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to restrain the circulation of small notes as a currency in the District of Columbia, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 264|Madison Papers]].'' An act authorizing the printing of the Madison papers.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Walls of the late Post-Office to be removed'']]. Joint resolution authorizing the Commissioner of the Public Buildings to cause the removal of the walls of the late Post-Office Building.{{gap|1em}}March 19, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''A Fort near the Western Boundary of Arkansas'']]. A resolution to authorize the Secretary of War to purchase a site for a fort at or near the western boundary of Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}April 4, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Public Revenue'']]. A resolution relating to the public revenue and due to the Government.{{gap|1em}}May 31, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''An act of the Legislature of Wisconsin chartering a Bank disapproved'']]. Resolution to disapprove and disaffirm  an act of the Legislative Council of the Wisconsin Territory chartering a bank.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 6|No. 6. ''Authorities of Savannah to re-open certain Streets'']]. Joint resolution in favour of the authorities of the City of Savannah, in the State of Georgia.{{gap|1em}}June 18, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Pensions'']]. A resolution for the benefit of the widows of certain revolutionary officers and soldiers.{{gap|1em}}July 7, 1838.|2}}
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{{center|STATUTE III.—1838, 1839.}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 1|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government for the years eighteen hundred and thirty-eight, and eighteen hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Dec. 22, 1838.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 2|Appropriation to carry into effect the Treaty with Texas, &amp;c]].'' An act to provide for carrying into effect the convention between the United States of America and the Republic of Texas for marking the boundary between them.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 11, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 3|District Courts in Tennessee]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act to require the Judge of East and West Tennessee to hold a Court at Jackson in said State,” approved June eighteenth, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 18, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 4|Transportation of the Mail on Railroads]].'' An act further to regulate the transportation of the mail upon railroads.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 25, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 20|District Courts in Alabama]].'' An act to re-organize the District Courts of the United States in the State of Alabama.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 6, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 24|Seminole Indians]].'' An act to provide for the location and temporary support of the Seminole Indians removed from Florida. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 13, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 26|Compromises with certain Banks]].'' An act to repeal the proviso to the second section of an act approved the third of March, eighteen hundred and thirty-seven, which authorized the Secretary of the Treasury to compromise the claims of the United States against certain banks.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 16, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 27|District Courts in Mississsippi]].'' An act to amend “An act to organize the District Courts of the United States in the State of Mississippi,” approved June eighteenth, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 16, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 28|Penitentiary in the District of Columbia]].'' An act making an appropriation for the support of the Penitentiary in the District of Columbia. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 16, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 30|Prohibition of Challenges in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to prohibit the giving or accepting, within the District of Columbia, of a challenge to fight a duel, and for the punishment thereof.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 20, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 31|A Criminal Court in the District of Columbia established]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act to establish a Criminal Court in the District of Columbia.”{{gap|1em}}Feb. 20, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 33|Suits by the Bank of Columbia, in Georgetown, not to abate]].'' An act to prevent the abatement of suits and actions now pending, in which the Bank of Columbia, in Georgatown, may be a party.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 28, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 35|Imprisonment for Debt]].'' An act to abolish imprisonment for debt in certain cases.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 28, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 36|Jurisdiction and Proceedings in the Courts of the United States]].'' An act in amendment of the acts respecting the judicial system of the United States.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 28, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 92|Iowa]].'' An act to authorize the election or appointment of certain officers in the Territory of Iowa, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 93|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making appropriations for preventing and suppressing Indian hostilities, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 94|Appropriations for the support of the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 95|Appropriations for the support of the Navy]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 226|Jail in the City of Washington]].'' An act to provide for the erection of a new jail in the City of Washington, District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 229|Potomac Bridge]].'' An act to extend the jurisdiction of the corporation of the City of Washington over the Potomac bridge.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Purchase of an Island at the Confluence of the St. Peters and Mississippi Rivers'']]. A resolution for the purchase of the island at the confluence of the St. Peters and Mississippi rivers.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 13, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Land Titles in the District of Columbia'']]. A resolution directing the manner in which certain laws of the District of Columbia shall be executed.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 16, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Certificates of Deposite'']]. A resolution authorizing certain certificates of deposite to be cancelled and re-issued.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 28, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 9|No. {{SIC|5|9}}. ''Purchase of the Pea-Patch, in the Delaware'']]. A resolution to authorize the purchase of an island in the river Delaware, called the Pea-Patch, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 1|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government for the year eighteen hundred and forty. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 8, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 2|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year eighteen hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 22, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 3|Census]].'' An act to amend the act “to provide for taking the sixth census or enumeration of the inhabitants of the United States,” approved March third, eighteen hundred and thirty-nine.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 4|Commissioner of Pensions]].'' An act to continue the office of Commissioner of Pensions, and to transfer the pension business heretofore transacted in the Navy Department, to that office.{{gap|1em}}March 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 5|Treasury Notes]].'' An act additional to the act on the subject of Treasury Notes.{{gap|1em}}March 31, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 6|Vessels employed in the Whale Fishery]].'' An act to cancel the bonds given to secure duties upon vessels and their cargoes employed in the whale fishery, and to make registers lawful papers for such vessels.{{gap|1em}}April 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 22|Appropriations for Civil and Diplomatic Expenses]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of the Government for the year eighteen hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}May 8, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 92|Iowa]].'' An act to authorize the election or appointment of certain officers in the Territory of Iowa, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 93|Hostilities with the Seminole Indians]].'' An act making appropriations for preventing and suppressing Indian hostilities, for the year eighteen hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 94|Appropriations for the support of the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 95|Appropriations for the support of the Navy]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-nine. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 226|Jail in the City of Washington]].'' An act to provide for the erection of a new jail in the City of Washington, District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 229|Potomac Bridge]].'' An act to extend the jurisdiction of the corporation of the City of Washington over the Potomac bridge.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Purchase of an Island at the Confluence of the St. Peters and Mississippi Rivers'']]. A resolution for the purchase of the island at the confluence of the St. Peters and Mississippi rivers.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 13, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Land Titles in the District of Columbia'']]. A resolution directing the manner in which certain laws of the District of Columbia shall be executed.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 16, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Certificates of Deposite'']]. A resolution authorizing certain certificates of deposite to be cancelled and re-issued.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 28, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/25th Congress/3rd Session/Resolution 9|No. {{SIC|5|9}}. ''Purchase of the Pea-Patch, in the Delaware'']]. A resolution to authorize the purchase of an island in the river Delaware, called the Pea-Patch, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1839.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 1|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government for the year eighteen hundred and forty. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Jan. 8, 1840.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 2|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of the revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year eighteen hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 22, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 3|Census]].'' An act to amend the act “to provide for taking the sixth census or enumeration of the inhabitants of the United States,” approved March third, eighteen hundred and thirty-nine.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 4|Commissioner of Pensions]].'' An act to continue the office of Commissioner of Pensions, and to transfer the pension business heretofore transacted in the Navy Department, to that office.{{gap|1em}}March 4, 1840.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|369|36}}

|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 5|Treasury Notes]].'' An act additional to the act on the subject of Treasury Notes.{{gap|1em}}March 31, 1840.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|370|36}}

|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 6|Vessels employed in the Whale Fishery]].'' An act to cancel the bonds given to secure duties upon vessels and their cargoes employed in the whale fishery, and to make registers lawful papers for such vessels.{{gap|1em}}April 4, 1840.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 22|Appropriations for Civil and Diplomatic Expenses]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of the Government for the year eighteen hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}May 8, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 23|District Court of the United States in the Western District of Pennsylvania]].'' An act for altering the time for holding the District Court of the United States for the Western District of Pennsylvania at Williamsport.{{gap|1em}}May 8, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 25|Soldiers in the late War authorized to surrender Bounty Lands]].'' An act to revive an act authorizing soldiers in the late war to surrender the bounty lands drawn by them, and to locate others in lieu thereof, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}May 27, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 26|Insolvent Debtors of the United States]].'' An act to extend for a longer period the several acts now in force for the relief of insolvent debtors of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}May 27, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 27|Sippican and Mattapoisett Districts]].'' An act authorizing Sippican and Mattapoisett, within the township of Rochester, in the State of Massachusetts, to be known hereafter as ports under those names.{{gap|1em}}May 27, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 32|Pre-emption Rights to Settlers on the Public Lands]].'' An act supplemental to the act entitled “An act to grant pre-emption rights to the settlers on the public lands,” approved June twenty-second, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}June 1, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 34|Convention between the United States and Mexico]].'' An act to carry into effect a Convention between the United States and the Mexican Republic. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}June 12, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 35|Registers and Receivers of Public Lands to administer Oaths]].'' An act to authorize registers and receivers to administer oaths required to be taken by purchasers of public land.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 36|Discontinuance of the Office of Surveyor General in certain Districts]].'' An act for the discontinuance of the office of Surveyor General in the several districts, so soon as the surveys therein can be completed, for abolishing land offices under certain circumstances, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 37|Prisoners of the United States in Rhode Island]].'' An act concerning prisoners of the United States committed to the gaol in the County of Providence, and State of Rhode Island.{{gap|1em}}June 12, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 39|Pensions]].'' An act making provision for the payment of pensions to the executors or administrators of deceased pensioners in certain cases.{{gap|1em}}June 19, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 41|Collection and safe-keeping of the Revenue]].'' An act to provide for the collection, safe-keeping, transfer and disbursement of the public revenue.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 42|District Court of Tennessee]].'' An act to amend an act approved the eighteenth of January, eighteen hundred and thirty-nine, entitled “An act to amend an act entitled ‘An act to require the Judge of the District of East and West Tennessee to hold a Court at Jackson in the said State,’ approved June the eighteenth, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight,” and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 43|Adjournment of the Circuit Courts, &amp;c]].'' An act in addition to the acts respecting the judicial system of the United States.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 44|Land Office at Grenada]].'' An act to remove the land office from Chocchuma to Grenada, in the State of Mississippi.{{gap|1em}}July 4, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 47|Jurors in the Courts of the United States]].'' An act to amend the act, approved May thirteenth, eighteen hundred, entitled “An act to amend an act entitled ‘An act to establish the Judicial Courts of the United States.’”{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 48|Seamen of the Merchant Service, &amp;c]].'' An act in addition to the several acts regulating the shipment and discharge of seamen, and the duties of Consuls.{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 49|Coosa Land District]].'' An act to annex a certain tract of land to the Coosa Land District, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 50|Appropriation for the Military Academy at West Point]].'' An act to provide for the support of the Military Academy for the year eighteen hundred and forty. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 51|Appropriations for the Navy]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service, for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|398|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 52|Exploration and Survey of the North-Eastern Boundary]].'' An act to provide for the expenses of making an exploration and survey of that part of the north-eastern boundary line of the United States which separates the States of Maine and New Hampshire from the British Provinces. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 53|Appropriations for the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfilling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 98|Appropriations for Fortifications]].'' An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty.{{gap|1em}}July 21, 1840.|2}}
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{{center|RESOLUTIONS.}}

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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Clerks in the Office of Commissioner of Indian Affairs'']]. Joint resolution authorizing the Secretary of War to continue certain clerks employed in the Office of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs.{{gap|1em}}May 2, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Statue of Washington'']]. A resolution concerning the Statue of Washington by Greenough.{{gap|1em}}May 27, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 4|No. 4. ''Presents from the Imaum of Muscat'']]. A resolution to authorize the President to dispose of certain presents from the Imaum of Muscat and the Emperor of Morocco.{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 5|No. 5. ''Exchange of Books, &amp;c'']]. Joint resolution for the exchange of books and public documents for foreign publications.{{gap|1em}}July 20, 1840.|2}}
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{{center|STATUTE Ⅱ.—1840, 1841.}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 1|Appropriations for the support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations, in part, for the support of Government for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty-one. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Dec. 18, 1840.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 2|Imprisonment for Debt abolished in certain Cases]].'' An act supplementary to an act to abolish imprisonment for debt in certain cases.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 14, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 3|Sixth Census]].'' An act to amend the act entitled “An act to provide for taking the sixth census or enumeration of the inhabitants of the United States,” approved March third, eighteen hundred and thirty-nine.{{gap|1em}}Jan. 14, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 5|Treasury Notes]].'' An act to authorize the issuing of Treasury Notes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 15, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 6|Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of revolutionary and other pensioners of the United States, for the year eighteen hundred and forty-one, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 18, 1841.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|412|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 7|Public Lands in Tennessee]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act to authorize the State of Tennessee to issue grants and perfect titles to certain lands therein described, and to settle the claims to the vacant and unappropriated lands within the same,” passed the eighteenth day of April, one thousand eight hundred and six.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 18, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 11|Survey of the North-Eastern Boundary]].'' An act to make further provision for the expenses of an exploration and survey of that part of the north-eastern boundary line of the United States which separates the States of Maine and New Hampshire from the British Provinces.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 27, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 12|Wabash and Erie Canal]].'' An act to confirm to the State of Indiana the land selected by her for that portion of the Wabash and Erie Canal which lies between the mouth of the Tippecanoe river and Terre Haute, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 27, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 13|Payment for Horses, &amp;c., lost in the Military Service]].'' An act further to continue in force the act for the payment of horses and other property lost in the military service of the United States. (Expired.){{gap|1em}}Feb. 27, 1841.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|414|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 21|Appropriation for a Delegation of the Seminole Indians, &amp;c]].'' An act making appropriation to defray the expenses of a delegation of the Seminole Indians west of the Mississippi to Florida, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 2, 1841.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|414|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 24|Appropriations for Fortifications]].'' An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States, for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty-one. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 25|Military Academy at West Point]].'' An act to provide for the support of the Military Academy for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty-one. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 26|Patents for Lands]].'' An act to confirm land patents.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1841.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/26th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 33|Appropriations for the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfilling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, for the year one thousand eight hundred and forty-one. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1841.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 186|Reduction of Dragoons, and of the Army, &amp;c]].'' An act respecting the organization of the army, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 187|Claims under the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek]].'' An act to provide for the satisfaction of claims arising under the fourteenth and nineteenth articles of the treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, concluded in September, one thousand eight hundred and thirty.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 188|Supreme, Circuit and District Courts]].'' An act further supplementary to an act entitled “An act to establish the judicial courts of the United States,” passed the twenty-fourth of September, seventeen hundred and eighty-nine.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 189|Navy Pension Fund]].'' An act making an appropriation to supply a deficiency in the navy pension fund. (Oboslete.){{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|519|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 190|Relief of settlers in Wisconsin]].'' An act for the relief of certain settlers in the territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|521|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 191|Pensions]].'' An act to amend the acts of July, eighteen hundred and thirty-six, and eighteen hundred and thirty-eight, allowing pensions to certain widows.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 192|Payment of the Florida Militia]].'' An act for the payment of Florida militia called into service in the years eighteen hundred and thirty-nine and eighteen hundred and forty. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 194|Selection of School Lands granted to Sac and Fox Indians]].'' An act to authorize the selection of school lands in lieu of those granted to half-breeds of the Sac and Fox Indians.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 23, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 202|Appropriations for objects not specially included in the former Appropriation Acts]].'' An act legalizing and making appropriations for such necessary objects as have been usually included in the general appropriation bills without authority of law, and to fix and provide for certain incidental expenses of the departments and offices of the government, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 203|District Court in Western Virginia]].'' An act to establish a District Court of the United States in the city of Wheeling, in the State of Virginia.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
|align=&quot;right&quot; |{{DJVU page link|534|36}}

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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 204|Publication of the Discoveries made by the Exploring Expedition]].'' An act to provide for publishing an account of the discoveries made by the Exploring Expedition, under the command of Lieutenant Wilkes, of the United States Navy.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 205|Patents for Lands entered under Pre-emption Rigths]].'' An act to confirm the sale of public lands in certain cases.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
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|-valign=&quot;bottom&quot;
|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 206|Pay of Pursers and other Officers in the Navy]].'' An act to regulate the pay of pursers and other officers of the navy.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 207|Definition and establishment of the Fiscal Year at the Treasury]].'' An act to define and establish the fiscal year of the Treasury of the United States.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 26, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 227|Penitentiary in Iowa]].'' An act to make an appropriation for certain expenses in the erection of a penitentiary in the territory of Iowa.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 228|Insane Hospital in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to provide an insane hospital for the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 255|An Edition of the Laws of the United States and Regulations of the Post-Office Department]].'' An act to provide for the publication of a new edition of the laws and regulations of the Post-Office Department, and a perfect list of the post-offices in the United States.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 256|Land District in Missouri, &amp;c]].'' An act for creating a new land district in the State of Missouri, and for changing the boundaries of the south-western and western land districts in said State.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 257|The Justices of the Supreme Court, &amp;c. empowered to grant Writs of Habeas Corpus when Subjects of Foreign Countries are in custody]].'' An act to provide further remedial justice in the Courts of the United States.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 258|Lands in Louisiana]].'' An act in relation to lands sold in the Greensburgh, late St. Helena, land district, in the State of Louisiana, and authorizing the re-survey of certain lands in said district.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 259|Accounts for the support of Government in the Territory of Wisconsin]].'' An act to provide for the settlement of certain accounts for the support of Government in the territory of Wisconsin, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}Aug. 29, 1842.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 44|Circuit Court for the District of Connecticut]].'' An act altering the times of holding the Circuit Court of the United States for the district of Connecticut.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 24, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 45|Act of the State of Maryland relative to Tonnage in the Port of Baltimore]].'' An act to continue in force an act therein mentioned, relating to the port of Baltimore.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 24, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 46|Branch Mint at Dahlonega, Georgia]].'' An act amendatory of an act establishing the branch mint at Dahlonega, Georgia, and defining the duties assayer and coiner.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 27, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 47|Marine Hospital in North Carolina]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act making an appropriation for the erection of a marine hospital at or near Ocracoke, North Carolina.”{{gap|1em}}Feb. 27, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 49|Relief of sick and disabled seamen]].'' An act amendatory of an “Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen.”{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 50|Titles under New Madrid Locations and Pre-emptions]].'' An act to perfect the titles to land south of the Arkansas river, held under New Madrid locations, and pre-emption rights under the act of one thousand eight hundred and fourteen [fifteen].{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 51|Two Per Cent. Fund in the State of Mississippi]].'' An act in relation to the two per cent. fund of the State of Mississippi. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 1, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 52|Appropriations for the Military Academy, Armories, Arsenals, Munitions of War, and Surveys]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army and of the military academy, and for armories, arsenals, arms and munitions of war, and surveys, for the half calendar year ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and for the fiscal year beginning the first day of July, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 1, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 53|Two Per Cent. Fund in the State of Alabama]].'' An act regulating the mode of paying over to the State of Alabama the two per cent. fund relinquished to said Stae by the act approved on the fourth day of September, one thousand eight hundred and forty-one. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 1, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 69|Currency of Foreign Gold and Silver Coins in the United States]].'' An act regulating the currency of foreign gold and silver coins in the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 70|Appropriations for Fortifications]].'' An act making appropriations for certain fortifications of the United States for the half calendar year beginning on the first day of January end ending on the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three; and for the fiscal year beginning on the first day of July, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and ending on the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 71|Port of Delivery, Robbinston in Maine]].'' An act declaring Robbinston, in the State of Maine, to be a port of delivery.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 72|Entry of Merchandise recovered from Wrecks free from Duty]].'' An act to permit the entry of merchandise recovered from shipwreck, in certain cases, free from duty.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 73|Surveyor of the Port of Camden, New Jersey]].'' An act to reduce the salary of the surveyor of the port of Camden, New Jersey.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 74|Circuit and District Courts in East Tennessee]].'' An act to change the times of holding the Circuit and District Courts for the district of East Tennessee.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 75|Commissioner of the Public Buildings]].'' An act to fix the compensation of the Commissioner of Public Buildings.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 75|Appropriations for the Payment of Navy Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of navy pensions, due on the first day of July, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and on the first day of January, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 76|Reservations of Timber for the Navy in Louisiana]].'' An act to set aside certain reservations of lands, on account of live-oak, in the south-eastern district of Louisiana.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 77|Sale by the United States of Lands and Improvements, erected for Agents, Teachers, Farmers, &amp;c., employed amongst the Indians]].'' An act authorizing the sale of lands, with the improvements thereon erected by the United States, for the use of their agents, teachers, farmers, mechanics, and other persons employed amongst the Indians.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 78|Collection District of Wiscasset]].'' An act to repeal an act entitled “An act to extend the collection district of Wiscasset.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 80|Appropriations for Indian Treaties and for the Indian Department]].'' An act making appropriations for fulfilling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, and for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, for the half calendar year beginning the first day of January and ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three; and for the fiscal year beginning the first day of July, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 81|Treasury Notes]].'' An act authorizing the re-issue of Treasury Notes, and for other purposes. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 82|Repeal of the Bankrupt Act]].'' An act to repeal the Bankrupt Act.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 83|Appropriations for the Naval Service]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service for the half calendar year beginning the first day of January and ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and for the fiscal year beginning the first day of July, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three, and ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 84|Electro-Magnetic Telegraphs]].'' An act to test the practicability of establishing a system of electro-magnetic telegraphs by the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 85|Protection of commerce on Lake Michigan]].'' An act for the protection of commerce on Lake Michigan.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 86|Investigation of Frauds under the Pre-emtion Laws]].'' An act to authorize the investigation of alleged frauds under the pre-emption laws, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 87|Sale of the Real Estate of Infants in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to provide in certain cases, for the sale of the real estate of infants within the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 88|Survey of the Northern Line of the Reservations for the Half-breeds of the Sac and Fox Indians]].'' An act directing the survey of the northern line of the reservation for the half-breeds of the Sac and Fox tribes of Indians by the treaty of August, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 89|''The Treaty with Great Britain of August'' 1842]]. An act to provide for carrying into effect the treaty between the United States and Great Britain, concluded at Washington on the ninth day of August, one thousand eight hundred and forty-two. {{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 90|Intercourse with the Government of China]].'' An act providing the means of future intercourse between the United States and the Government of China.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 91|Sale of Lands in Ohio and Michigan, ceded by the Wyandot Indians]].'' An act providing for the sale of certain lands in the States of Ohio and Michigan, ceded by the Wyandot tribe of Indians, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 92|Value of Foreign Money in Computations at the Custom-Houses]].'' An act to fix the value of certain foreign moneys of account, in computations at custom-houses.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 93|Examination and Survey of the Harbor of Memphis, Tennessee]].'' An act authorizing an examination and survey of the harbor of Memphis, Tennessee.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 94|Security of the Lives of Passengers in Steamboats]].'' An act to modify the act entitled “An act to provide for the better security of the lives of passengers on board of vessels propelled in whole or in part by steam,” approved July seventh, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 95|Exemplifications of Records of Patents, &amp;c., in the several Land Offices]].'' An act in relation to the exemplifications of the records of land patents, and other evidences of title, and amendatory of the act entitled “An act to re-organize the General Land Office.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 96|Supplies to the Florida Militia]].'' An act providing for the settlement of claims for supplies furnished the Florida militia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 97|Circuit Courts in the Western District of Pennsylvania]].'' An act to provide for holding Circuit Courts at Williamsport, in the western district of Pennsylvania.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 98|Imprisonment for Debt in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to amend the laws regulating imprisonment for debt within the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 99|Election or Appointment of Officers in the Territory of Wisconsin]].'' An act to authorize the election or appointment of officers in the territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/27th Congress/3rd Session/Chapter 100|Appropriations for the Support of Government]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the fiscal year ending the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-four. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}March 3, 1843.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 53|Relief of the Officers, Seamen, &amp;c., of the Grampus]].'' An act for the relief of the widows and orphans of the officers, seamen and marines of the United States’ schooner Grampus, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 54|Repeal of the Act directing the Survey of the Northern Line of the Reservation of the Half-breeds of the Sac and Fox Tribes of Indians]].'' An act to repeal an act entitled “An act directing the survey of the northern line of the reservation for the half-breeds of the Sac and Fox tribes of Indians, by the treaty of August, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-four,” approved March third, one thousand eight hundred and forty-three.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 55|School Lands in Florida, Iowa and Wisconsin]].'' An act to authorize the selection of certain school lands in the territories of Florida, Iowa and Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 56|Grant to the County of Dubuque of Lots in the Town of Dubuque]].'' An act granting to the county of Dubuque certain lots of ground in the town of Dubuque.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 57|Title to Lots confirmed to the City of Fernandina]].'' An act to confirm to the city of Fernandina, in Florida, certain lots reserved for public use by the Spanish Government.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 58|Appropriations for Navy Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of navy pensions for the year ending thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-five.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 59|Submarine Telescope]].'' An act to test the utility of the submarine telescope.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 60|Harbor of Southport, Wisconsin]].'' An act making appropriations to aid in completing the harbor at Racine, on the western shore of Lake Michigan.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 61|Harbor of Racine on the Western Shore of Lake Michigan]].'' An act making appropriations to aid in completing the harbor at Racine, on the western shore of Lake Michigan.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 62|Appropriations for the Post-Office Department]].'' An act making appropriations for the service of the Post-Office Department, for the fiscal year ending thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-five. (Obsolete.){{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 63|The Act to transfer the Names of Pensioners in Kentucky to Cincinnati, Ohio, to be executed by the Secretary of War]].'' An act transferring the execution of a certain act from the Secretary of the Treasury to the Secretary of War.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 64|''Appropriations for Deficiencies arising from Expenses improperly incurred beyond Amounts appropriated for the Year ending'' June 30, 1844]]. An act making appropriations for certain objects of expenditure therein named in the year ending June thirty, eighteen hundred and forty-four.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 65|Post-roads in Florida]].'' An act to establish certain post-roads in the territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 66|Appropriation for Improvements in Iowa]].'' An act making appropriation for certain improvements in the territory of Iowa.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 67|Appropriations for Improvements in Florida]].'' An act making appropriation for certain improvements in the territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 68|Marine Hospital at Key West, Florida]].'' An act to provide for the erection of a marine hospital at Key West, in the territory of Florida.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 69|The Legislatures of the Territories authroized to regulate the Apportionment of Representation]].'' An act to authorize the Legislatures of the several territories to regulate the apportionment of representation, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 70|Patents for Lands in the St. Augustine Land District, Florida]].'' An act to authorize the issuing of patents for certain lands in the St. Augustine land district, in Florida, the sales of which were not regularly reported.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 71|Amendment to the Act for the Armed Occupation of Florida]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act to provide for the armed occupation and settlement of the unsettled part of the peninsular of Florida.”{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 72|Appropriation for the Support of Insane Persons in the District of Columbia, &amp;c]].'' An act making appropriation for the support of insane persons in the District of Columbia, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 73|Appropriation for Payment for Horses lost by the Missouri Volunteers in the Florida War]].'' An act making an appropriation for the payment of horses lost by the Missouri volunteers in the Florida war.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 74|Confirmation of certain Entries in the St. Augustine Land District]].'' An act to confirm certain entries of land in the St. Augustine land district, in the territory of Florida, made under the pre-emption law of June 22d, 1838.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 75|Persons formerly in the United States and now in Texas permitted to remove within the United States]].'' An act for the relief of persons residing within the reported limits of the States of Arkansas or Louisiana, and beyond the boundary line between the United States and the Republic of Texas, as established by the commissioners appointed to ascertain the same.{{gap|1em}}June 15, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 94|Alexandria Canal]].'' An act to amend the act entitled “An act to incorporate the Alexandria Canal Company,” approved on the twenty-sixth day of May, eighteen hundred and thirty.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 95|Land Claims in Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama]].'' An act to provide for the adjustment of land claims within the States of Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana, and in those parts of the States of Mississippi and Alabama south of the thirty-first degree of north latitude, and between the Mississippi and Perdido rivers.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 96|Supreme and Circuit Courts of the United States]].'' An act concerning the Supreme Court of the United States.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 97|Northern Boundary of the State of Missouri]].'' An act respecting the northern boundary of the State of Missouri.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 98|Charters of the Banks in the District of Columbia]].'' An act to extend the charters of the District Banks.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 99|Balances of Appropriation for the Suppression of Indian Hostilities]].'' An act to enable the War Department to supply certain balances of appropriation, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 100|Arrests on mesne Process in the District of Columbia]].'' An act supplementary to an act entitled “An act to regulate arrests on mesne process in the District of Columbia,” approved August first, eighteen hundred and forty-two.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 101|Conveyances of Places of Worship in the District of Columbia]].'' An act concerning conveyances or devises of places of worship in the District of Columbia.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 102|Pensions to certain Widows extended]].'' An act to continue the pensions of certain widows.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 103|Jurisdiction of the Courts of Arkansas over the Indian Country]].'' An act supplementary to the act entitled “An act to regulate trade and intercourse with the Indian tribes, and to preserve peace on the frontiers,” passed thirtieth June, one thousand eight hundred and thirty-four.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 104|Explanation of the Treaty with the Chippewa Indians]].'' An act explanatory of the treaty made with the Chippewa Indians at Saganaw, the twenty-third of January, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 105|Appropriations for the Expenses of Government]].'' An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the fiscal year ending the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-five, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 106|Appropriations for the Support of the Army]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the army for the fiscal year ending on the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-five.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 107|Appropriations for the Naval Service]].'' An act making appropriations for the naval service for the fiscal year ending the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-five.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 108|Appropriations for the Expenses of the Indian Department and Indian Treaties]].'' An act making appropriations for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfilling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, for the fiscal year commencing on the first day of July, eighteen hundred and forty-four, and ending on the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-five.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Chapter 117|Entry of Lands occupied by Branch Pilots of the Port of New Orleans]].'' An act to authorize the entry of certain lands, occupied by the branch pilots of the port of New Orleans, and others, in the State of Louisiana.{{gap|1em}}June 17, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 1|No. 1. ''Acceptation of the Sword of Washinton and the Staff of Franklin'']]. A joint resolution accepting the sword of Washington and staff of Franklin.{{gap|1em}}March 4, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 2|No. 2. ''Respect for the Memory of the Donor of the Camp Chest of General Washington'']]. Joint resolution of respect for the memory of the donor of the camp chest of General Washington.{{gap|1em}}April 30, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/1st Session/Resolution 3|No. 3. ''Acceptation of the Camp Chest of General Washington'']]. Joint resolution accepting the camp chest of General Washington.{{gap|1em}}April 30, 1844.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 18|Land District in Arkansas]].'' An act to organize a new land district in the southern part of the State of Arkansas.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 20, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 19|District Court in Louisiana]].'' An act supplementary to “An act to repeal an act for the better organization of the District Court of the United States within the State of Louisiana,” and for other purposes, approved February thirteenth, one thousand eight hundred and forty-five.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 20|Admiralty jurisdiction vested in the District of Columbia in certain Cases on the Lakes, &amp;c]].'' An act extending the jurisdiction of the District Courts to certain cases, upon the lakes and navigable waters connecting the same.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 22|''Appropriation Act for'' 1839'' explained'']]. An act explanatory of an act entitled “An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of Government for the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty-nine.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 24|Importation of certain Iron Pipes and Machinery free of Duty]].'' An act to authorize the South Carolina Railroad Company to import certain pipes and machinery free of duty.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 25|Compacts of Alabama and Mississippi relative to the Five Per Cent. Fund, &amp;c]].'' An act to amend an act entitled “An act to carry into effect, in the States of Alabama and Mississippi, the existing compacts with those States with regard to the five per cent. fund and the school reservations.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 26|''Appropriation for the Naval Service for the Year'' 1845]]. An act to amend the act entitled “An act making appropriations for the naval service for the fiscal year ending the thirtieth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and forty-five.” {{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 28|Lands Granted to General La Fayette]].'' An act to authorize a re-location of land-warrants number three, four, and five, granted by Congress to General La Fayette.{{gap|1em}}Feb. 26, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 35|Circuit and Criminal Courts in the County of Washington]].'' An act to change the time for holding the Circuit and Criminal Courts in the county of Washington.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 36|Port of Delivery at the City of La Fayette]].'' An act in alteration of an act entitled “An act to establish a port of delivery at the city of La Fayette, in the State of Louisiana.”{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 37|Navy Pensions]].'' An act making appropriations for the payment of navy pensions for the year ending thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-six.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 38|Sale of Arabian Horses presented by the Imaum of Muscat]].'' An act to authorize the sale of two Arabian horses, received as a present by the Consul of the United States at Zanzibar, from the Imaum of Muscat.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 39|Courts in Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana]].'' An act to change the time of holding the Federal Courts in Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana.{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 41|Naval Pensions]].'' An act renewing certain naval pensions for the term of five years.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 42|Wabash and Erie Canal]].'' An act to grant certain lands to the State of Indiana, the better to enable the said State to extend and complete the Wabash and Erie Canal from Terre Haute to the Ohio River.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 43|Reduction of Postage, &amp;c]].'' An act to reduce the rates of postage, to limit the use and correct the abuse of the franking privilege, and for the prevention of frauds on the revenues of the Post-Office Department.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 44|''Appropriations for the Post-Office Department for'' 1846]]. An act making appropriations for the service of the Post-Office Department, for the year ending thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-six.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 45|Value of the Florin of Austria at the Custom-Houses]].'' An act supplementary to an act entitled “An act to fix the value of certain foreign moneys of account in computations at the custom-houses.”{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 46|Land Claims in the State of Mississippi]].'' An act to confirm the survey and location of claims for lands in the State of Mississippi, east of the Pearl river, and south of thirty-first degree of north latitude.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 47|Appropriations for the Military Academy]].'' An act making appropriations for the support of the Military Academy for the year ending the thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-six.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 48|Admission of Iowa and Florida into the Union]].'' An act for the admission of the States of Iowa and Florida into the Union.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 64|Military Services in Florida]].'' An act providing for payment for certain military services in Florida.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 65|''Appropriations for the Support of the Army for'' 1846]]. An act making appropriations for the support of the army, for the year ending on the thirtieth of June, eighteen hundred and forty-six.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 66|Commercial Intercourse with Miquelon and St. Pierre]].'' An act regulating commercial intercourse with the Island of Miquelon and St. Pierre.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 67|Construction and Improvement of Roads in Wisconsin]].'' An act for the construction and improvement of certain roads in the territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 68|Construction and Improvement of Roads in Wisconsin]].'' An act for the construction and improvement of certain roads in the territory of Wisconsin.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 69|Transportation of Mail between the United States and Foreign Countries]].'' An act to provide for the transportation of mail between the United States and foreign countries, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 70|Drawback on certain Exports of Merchandise]].'' An act allowing drawback upon foreign merchandise exported in the original packages to Chihuahua and Santa Fe, in Mexico, and to the British North American provinces adjoining the United States.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 71|''Appropriations for the Support of Government for'' 1846]]. An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of the Government for the year ending the thirtieth June, eighteen hundred and forty-six, and for other purposes.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 72|Appropriations for the Indian Department and for Indian Treaties]].'' An act making appropriations for the current and contingent expenses of the Indian Department, and for fulfiling treaty stipulations with the various Indian tribes, for the fiscal year commencing on the first day of July, eighteen hundred and forty-five, ending on the thirtieth day of June, eighteen hundred and forty-six.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|''[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 73|Improvements in the Territory of Iowa]].'' An act making appropriations for certain improvements in the territory of Iowa.{{gap|1em}}March 3, 1845.|2}}
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|{{outdent|[[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 5/28th Congress/2nd Session/Resolution 7|No. 7. ''Payment of Supplies, &amp;c. for the Defence of the Inhabitants of Florida'']]. A resolution amendatory of the resolution passed April thirty, one thousand eight hundred and forty-four, “respecting the application of certain appropriations heretofore made.”{{gap|1em}}March 1, 1845.|2}}
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 | author   = L. Frank Baum
 | section  = Tiktok and the Nome King
 | previous = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz/Chapter 2|Little Dorothy and Toto]]
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{{heading|Tiktok and the Nome King|3|c|normal}}
{{di|T}}HE Nome King was unpleasantly angry. He had carelessly bitten his
tongue at breakfast and it still hurt; so he roared and raved and
stamped around in his underground palace in a way that rendered him very
disagreeable.

It so happened that on this unfortunate day Tiktok, the Clockwork Man,
visited the Nome King to ask a favor. Tiktok lived in the Land of Oz,
and although he was an active and important person, he was made entirely
of metal. Machinery within him, something like the works of a clock,
made him move; other machinery made him talk; still other machinery made
him think.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Although so cleverly constructed, the Clockwork Man was far from
perfect. Three separate keys wound up his motion machinery, his speech
works, and his thoughts. One or more of these contrivances was likely to
run down at a critical moment, leaving poor Tiktok helpless. Also some
of his parts were wearing out, through much use, and just now his
thought machinery needed repair. The skillful little Wizard of Oz had
tinkered with Tiktok's thoughts without being able to get them properly
regulated, so he had advised the Clockwork Man to go to the Nome King
and secure a new set of springs, which would render his thoughts more
elastic and responsive.

&quot;Be careful what you say to the Nome King,&quot; warned the Wizard. &quot;He has a
bad temper and the least little thing makes him angry.&quot;

Tiktok promised, and the Wizard wound his machinery and set him walking
in the direction of the Nome King's dominions, just across the desert
from the Land of Oz. He ran down just as he reached the entrance to the
underground palace, and there Kaliko, the Nome King's Chief Steward,
found him and wound him up again.

&quot;I want to see the King,&quot; said Tiktok, in his jerky voice.

&quot;Well,&quot; remarked Kaliko, &quot;it may be safe for a cast-iron person like you
to face his Majesty this morning; but you must announce yourself, for
should I show my face inside the jewel-studded cavern where the King is
now raving, I'd soon look like a dish of mashed potatoes, and be of no
further use to anyone.&quot;

&quot;I'm not a-fraid,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then walk in and make yourself at home,&quot; answered Kaliko, and threw
open the door of the King's cavern.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Tiktok promptly walked in and faced the astonished Nome King, to whom
he said: &quot;Good morn-ing. I want two new steel springs for my
thought-works and a new cog-wheel for my speech-pro-du-cer. How a-bout
it, your Maj-es-ty?&quot;

The Nome King growled a menacing growl and his eyes were red with rage.

&quot;How dare you enter my presence?&quot; he shouted.

&quot;I dare an-y-thing,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;I'm not a-fraid of a fat Nome.&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

This was true, yet an unwise speech. Had Tiktok's thoughts been in good
working order he would have said something else. The angry Nome King
quickly caught up his heavy mace and hurled it straight at Tiktok. When
it struck the metal man's breast, the force of the blow burst the
bolts which held the plates of his body together and they clattered to
the floor in a score of pieces. Hundreds and hundreds of wheels, pins,
cogs and springs filled the air like a cloud and then rattled like hail
upon the floor.

Where Tiktok had stood was now only a scrap-heap and the Nome King was
so amazed by the terrible effect of his blow that he stared in wonder.

His Majesty's anger quickly cooled. He remembered that the Clockwork Man
was a favorite subject of the powerful Princess, Ozma of Oz, who would
be sure to resent Tiktok's ruin.

&quot;Too bad! too bad!&quot; he muttered, regretfully. &quot;I'm really sorry I made
junk of the fellow. I didn't know he'd break.&quot;

&quot;You'd better be,&quot; remarked Kaliko, who now ventured to enter the room.
&quot;You'll have a war on your hands when Ozma hears of this, and the
chances are you will lose your throne and your kingdom.&quot;

The Nome King turned pale, for he loved to rule the Nomes and did not
know of any other way to earn a living in case Ozma fought and conquered
him.

&quot;Do—do you think Ozma will be angry?&quot; he asked anxiously.

&quot;I'm sure of it,&quot; said Kaliko. &quot;And she has the right to be. You've made
scrap-iron of her favorite.&quot;

The King groaned.

&quot;Sweep him up and throw the rubbish into the black pit,&quot; he commanded;
and then he shut himself up in his private den and for days would see no
one, because he was so ashamed of his unreasoning anger and so feared
the results of his rash act.

Kaliko swept up the pieces, but he did not throw them into the black
pit. Being a clever and skillful mechanic he determined to fit the
pieces together again.

No man ever faced a greater puzzle; but it was interesting work and
Kaliko succeeded. When he found a spring or wheel worn or imperfect, he
made a new one.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Within two weeks, by working steadily night and day, the Chief Steward
completed his task and put the three sets of clockworks and the last
rivet into Tiktok's body. He then wound up the motion machinery, and the
Clockwork Man walked up and down the room as naturally as ever. Then
Kaliko wound up the thought works and the speech regulator and said to
Tiktok:

&quot;How do you feel now?&quot;

&quot;Fine,&quot; said the Clockwork Man. &quot;You have done a ve-ry good job,
Kal-i-ko, and saved me from de-struc-tion. Much o-bliged.&quot;

&quot;Don't mention it,&quot; replied the Chief Steward. &quot;I quite enjoyed the
work.&quot;

Just then the Nome King's gong sounded, and Kaliko rushed away through
the jewel-studded cavern and into the den where the King had hidden,
leaving the doors ajar.

&quot;Kaliko,&quot; said the King, in a meek voice, &quot;I've been shut up here long
enough to repent bitterly the destruction of Tiktok. Of course Ozma will
have revenge, and send an army to fight us, but we must take our
medicine. One thing comforts me: Tiktok wasn't really a live person; he
was only a machine man, and so it wasn't very wicked to stop his
clockworks. I couldn't sleep nights, at first, for worry; but there's no
more harm in smashing a machine man than in breaking a wax doll. Don't
you think so?&quot;

&quot;I am too humble to think in the presence of your Majesty,&quot; said Kaliko.

&quot;Then get me something to eat,&quot; commanded the King, &quot;for I'm nearly
starved. Two roasted goats, a barrel of cakes and nine mince pies will
do me until dinnertime.&quot;

Kaliko bowed and hurried away to the royal kitchen, forgetting Tiktok,
who was wandering around in the outer cavern. Suddenly the Nome King
looked up and saw the Clockwork Man standing before him, and at the
sight the monarch's eyes grew big and round and he fell a-trembling in
every limb.

&quot;Away, grim Shadow!&quot; he cried. &quot;You're not here, you know; you're only a
hash of cogwheels and springs, lying at the bottom of the black pit.
Vanish, thou Vision of the demolished Tiktok, and leave me in peace—for
I have bitterly repented!&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Then beg my pardon,&quot; said Tiktok in a gruff voice, for Kaliko had
forgotten to oil the speech works.

But the sound of a voice coming from what he thought a mere vision was
too much for the Nome King's shaken nerves. He gave a yell of fear and
rushed from the room. Tiktok followed, so the King bolted through the
corridors on a swift run and bumped against Kaliko, who was returning
with a tray of things to eat. The sound of the breaking dishes, as they
struck the floor, added to the King's terror and he yelled again and
dashed into a great cavern where a thousand Nomes were at work hammering
metal.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Look out! Here comes a phantom clockwork man!&quot; screamed the
terrified monarch, and every Nome dropped his tools and made a rush
from the cavern, knocking over their King in their mad flight and
recklessly trampling upon his prostrate fat body. So, when Tiktok came
into the cavern, there was only the Nome King left, and he was rolling
upon the rocky floor and howling for mercy, with his eyes fast shut so
that he could not see what he was sure was a dreadful phantom that was
coming straight toward him.

&quot;It oc-curs to me,&quot; said Tiktok calmly, &quot;that your Maj-es-ty is act-ing
like a ba-by I am not a phan-tom. A phan-tom is unreal, while I am the
real thing.&quot;

The King rolled over, sat up and opened his eyes.

&quot;Didn't I smash you to pieces?&quot; he asked in trembling tones.

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then you are nothing but a junk-heap, and this form in which you now
appear cannot be real.&quot;

&quot;It is, though,&quot; declared Tiktok. &quot;Kal-i-ko picked up my piec-es and put
me to-geth-er a-gain. I'm as good as new, and perhaps bet-ter.&quot;

&quot;That is true, your Majesty,&quot; added Kaliko, who now made his appearance,
&quot;and I hope you will forgive me for mending Tiktok. He was quite broken
up, after you smashed him, and I found it almost as hard a job to match
his pieces as to pick turnips from gooseberry bushes. But I did it,&quot; he
added proudly.

&quot;You are forgiven,&quot; announced the Nome King, rising to his feet and
drawing a long breath. &quot;I will raise your wages one specto a year, and
Tiktok shall return to the Land of Oz loaded with jewels for the
Princess Ozma.&quot;

&quot;That is all right,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;But what I want to know is, why did
you hit me with your mace?&quot;

&quot;Because I was angry,&quot; admitted the King. &quot;When I am angry I always do
something that I am sorry for afterward. So I have firmly resolved never
to get angry again; unless—unless—&quot;

&quot;Unless what, your Majesty?&quot; inquired Kaliko.

[Illustration]

&quot;Unless something annoys me,&quot; said the Nome King. And then he went to
his treasure-chamber to get the jewels for Princess Ozma of Oz.
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 | title    = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz]]
 | author   = L. Frank Baum
 | section  = Tiktok and the Nome King
 | previous = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz/Chapter 2|Little Dorothy and Toto]]
 | next     = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz/Chapter 4|Ozma and the Little Wizard]]
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&lt;div class=prose&gt;
{{heading|Tiktok and the Nome King|3|c|normal}}
{{di|T}}HE Nome King was unpleasantly angry. He had carelessly bitten his
tongue at breakfast and it still hurt; so he roared and raved and
stamped around in his underground palace in a way that rendered him very
disagreeable.

It so happened that on this unfortunate day Tiktok, the Clockwork Man,
visited the Nome King to ask a favor. Tiktok lived in the Land of Oz,
and although he was an active and important person, he was made entirely
of metal. Machinery within him, something like the works of a clock,
made him move; other machinery made him talk; still other machinery made
him think.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Although so cleverly constructed, the Clockwork Man was far from
perfect. Three separate keys wound up his motion machinery, his speech
works, and his thoughts. One or more of these contrivances was likely to
run down at a critical moment, leaving poor Tiktok helpless. Also some
of his parts were wearing out, through much use, and just now his
thought machinery needed repair. The skillful little Wizard of Oz had
tinkered with Tiktok's thoughts without being able to get them properly
regulated, so he had advised the Clockwork Man to go to the Nome King
and secure a new set of springs, which would render his thoughts more
elastic and responsive.

&quot;Be careful what you say to the Nome King,&quot; warned the Wizard. &quot;He has a
bad temper and the least little thing makes him angry.&quot;

Tiktok promised, and the Wizard wound his machinery and set him walking
in the direction of the Nome King's dominions, just across the desert
from the Land of Oz. He ran down just as he reached the entrance to the
underground palace, and there Kaliko, the Nome King's Chief Steward,
found him and wound him up again.

&quot;I want to see the King,&quot; said Tiktok, in his jerky voice.

&quot;Well,&quot; remarked Kaliko, &quot;it may be safe for a cast-iron person like you
to face his Majesty this morning; but you must announce yourself, for
should I show my face inside the jewel-studded cavern where the King is
now raving, I'd soon look like a dish of mashed potatoes, and be of no
further use to anyone.&quot;

&quot;I'm not a-fraid,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then walk in and make yourself at home,&quot; answered Kaliko, and threw
open the door of the King's cavern.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Tiktok promptly walked in and faced the astonished Nome King, to whom
he said: &quot;Good morn-ing. I want two new steel springs for my
thought-works and a new cog-wheel for my speech-pro-du-cer. How a-bout
it, your Maj-es-ty?&quot;

The Nome King growled a menacing growl and his eyes were red with rage.

&quot;How dare you enter my presence?&quot; he shouted.

&quot;I dare an-y-thing,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;I'm not a-fraid of a fat Nome.&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

This was true, yet an unwise speech. Had Tiktok's thoughts been in good
working order he would have said something else. The angry Nome King
quickly caught up his heavy mace and hurled it straight at Tiktok. When
it struck the metal man's breast, the force of the blow burst the
bolts which held the plates of his body together and they clattered to
the floor in a score of pieces. Hundreds and hundreds of wheels, pins,
cogs and springs filled the air like a cloud and then rattled like hail
upon the floor.

Where Tiktok had stood was now only a scrap-heap and the Nome King was
so amazed by the terrible effect of his blow that he stared in wonder.

His Majesty's anger quickly cooled. He remembered that the Clockwork Man
was a favorite subject of the powerful Princess, Ozma of Oz, who would
be sure to resent Tiktok's ruin.

&quot;Too bad! too bad!&quot; he muttered, regretfully. &quot;I'm really sorry I made
junk of the fellow. I didn't know he'd break.&quot;

&quot;You'd better be,&quot; remarked Kaliko, who now ventured to enter the room.
&quot;You'll have a war on your hands when Ozma hears of this, and the
chances are you will lose your throne and your kingdom.&quot;

The Nome King turned pale, for he loved to rule the Nomes and did not
know of any other way to earn a living in case Ozma fought and conquered
him.

&quot;Do—do you think Ozma will be angry?&quot; he asked anxiously.

&quot;I'm sure of it,&quot; said Kaliko. &quot;And she has the right to be. You've made
scrap-iron of her favorite.&quot;

The King groaned.

&quot;Sweep him up and throw the rubbish into the black pit,&quot; he commanded;
and then he shut himself up in his private den and for days would see no
one, because he was so ashamed of his unreasoning anger and so feared
the results of his rash act.

Kaliko swept up the pieces, but he did not throw them into the black
pit. Being a clever and skillful mechanic he determined to fit the
pieces together again.

No man ever faced a greater puzzle; but it was interesting work and
Kaliko succeeded. When he found a spring or wheel worn or imperfect, he
made a new one.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Within two weeks, by working steadily night and day, the Chief Steward
completed his task and put the three sets of clockworks and the last
rivet into Tiktok's body. He then wound up the motion machinery, and the
Clockwork Man walked up and down the room as naturally as ever. Then
Kaliko wound up the thought works and the speech regulator and said to
Tiktok:

&quot;How do you feel now?&quot;

&quot;Fine,&quot; said the Clockwork Man. &quot;You have done a ve-ry good job,
Kal-i-ko, and saved me from de-struc-tion. Much o-bliged.&quot;

&quot;Don't mention it,&quot; replied the Chief Steward. &quot;I quite enjoyed the
work.&quot;

Just then the Nome King's gong sounded, and Kaliko rushed away through
the jewel-studded cavern and into the den where the King had hidden,
leaving the doors ajar.

&quot;Kaliko,&quot; said the King, in a meek voice, &quot;I've been shut up here long
enough to repent bitterly the destruction of Tiktok. Of course Ozma will
have revenge, and send an army to fight us, but we must take our
medicine. One thing comforts me: Tiktok wasn't really a live person; he
was only a machine man, and so it wasn't very wicked to stop his
clockworks. I couldn't sleep nights, at first, for worry; but there's no
more harm in smashing a machine man than in breaking a wax doll. Don't
you think so?&quot;

&quot;I am too humble to think in the presence of your Majesty,&quot; said Kaliko.

&quot;Then get me something to eat,&quot; commanded the King, &quot;for I'm nearly
starved. Two roasted goats, a barrel of cakes and nine mince pies will
do me until dinnertime.&quot;

Kaliko bowed and hurried away to the royal kitchen, forgetting Tiktok,
who was wandering around in the outer cavern. Suddenly the Nome King
looked up and saw the Clockwork Man standing before him, and at the
sight the monarch's eyes grew big and round and he fell a-trembling in
every limb.

&quot;Away, grim Shadow!&quot; he cried. &quot;You're not here, you know; you're only a
hash of cogwheels and springs, lying at the bottom of the black pit.
Vanish, thou Vision of the demolished Tiktok, and leave me in peace—for
I have bitterly repented!&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Then beg my pardon,&quot; said Tiktok in a gruff voice, for Kaliko had
forgotten to oil the speech works.

But the sound of a voice coming from what he thought a mere vision was
too much for the Nome King's shaken nerves. He gave a yell of fear and
rushed from the room. Tiktok followed, so the King bolted through the
corridors on a swift run and bumped against Kaliko, who was returning
with a tray of things to eat. The sound of the breaking dishes, as they
struck the floor, added to the King's terror and he yelled again and
dashed into a great cavern where a thousand Nomes were at work hammering
metal.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Look out! Here comes a phantom clockwork man!&quot; screamed the
terrified monarch, and every Nome dropped his tools and made a rush
from the cavern, knocking over their King in their mad flight and
recklessly trampling upon his prostrate fat body. So, when Tiktok came
into the cavern, there was only the Nome King left, and he was rolling
upon the rocky floor and howling for mercy, with his eyes fast shut so
that he could not see what he was sure was a dreadful phantom that was
coming straight toward him.

&quot;It oc-curs to me,&quot; said Tiktok calmly, &quot;that your Maj-es-ty is act-ing
like a ba-by I am not a phan-tom. A phan-tom is unreal, while I am the
real thing.&quot;

The King rolled over, sat up and opened his eyes.

&quot;Didn't I smash you to pieces?&quot; he asked in trembling tones.

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then you are nothing but a junk-heap, and this form in which you now
appear cannot be real.&quot;

&quot;It is, though,&quot; declared Tiktok. &quot;Kal-i-ko picked up my piec-es and put
me to-geth-er a-gain. I'm as good as new, and perhaps bet-ter.&quot;

&quot;That is true, your Majesty,&quot; added Kaliko, who now made his appearance,
&quot;and I hope you will forgive me for mending Tiktok. He was quite broken
up, after you smashed him, and I found it almost as hard a job to match
his pieces as to pick turnips from gooseberry bushes. But I did it,&quot; he
added proudly.

&quot;You are forgiven,&quot; announced the Nome King, rising to his feet and
drawing a long breath. &quot;I will raise your wages one specto a year, and
Tiktok shall return to the Land of Oz loaded with jewels for the
Princess Ozma.&quot;

&quot;That is all right,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;But what I want to know is, why did
you hit me with your mace?&quot;

&quot;Because I was angry,&quot; admitted the King. &quot;When I am angry I always do
something that I am sorry for afterward. So I have firmly resolved never
to get angry again; unless—unless—&quot;

&quot;Unless what, your Majesty?&quot; inquired Kaliko.

[Illustration]

&quot;Unless something annoys me,&quot; said the Nome King. And then he went to
his treasure-chamber to get the jewels for Princess Ozma of Oz.
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 | title    = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz]]
 | author   = L. Frank Baum
 | section  = Tiktok and the Nome King
 | previous = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz/Chapter 2|Little Dorothy and Toto]]
 | next     = [[Little Wizard Stories of Oz/Chapter 4|Ozma and the Little Wizard]]
 | categories = short stories
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&lt;div class=prose&gt;
{{heading|Tiktok and the Nome King|3|c|normal}}
{{di|T}}HE Nome King was unpleasantly angry. He had carelessly bitten his
tongue at breakfast and it still hurt; so he roared and raved and
stamped around in his underground palace in a way that rendered him very
disagreeable.

It so happened that on this unfortunate day Tiktok, the Clockwork Man,
visited the Nome King to ask a favor. Tiktok lived in the Land of Oz,
and although he was an active and important person, he was made entirely
of metal. Machinery within him, something like the works of a clock,
made him move; other machinery made him talk; still other machinery made
him think.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Although so cleverly constructed, the Clockwork Man was far from
perfect. Three separate keys wound up his motion machinery, his speech
works, and his thoughts. One or more of these contrivances was likely to
run down at a critical moment, leaving poor Tiktok helpless. Also some
of his parts were wearing out, through much use, and just now his
thought machinery needed repair. The skillful little Wizard of Oz had
tinkered with Tiktok's thoughts without being able to get them properly
regulated, so he had advised the Clockwork Man to go to the Nome King
and secure a new set of springs, which would render his thoughts more
elastic and responsive.

&quot;Be careful what you say to the Nome King,&quot; warned the Wizard. &quot;He has a
bad temper and the least little thing makes him angry.&quot;

Tiktok promised, and the Wizard wound his machinery and set him walking
in the direction of the Nome King's dominions, just across the desert
from the Land of Oz. He ran down just as he reached the entrance to the
underground palace, and there Kaliko, the Nome King's Chief Steward,
found him and wound him up again.

&quot;I want to see the King,&quot; said Tiktok, in his jerky voice.

&quot;Well,&quot; remarked Kaliko, &quot;it may be safe for a cast-iron person like you
to face his Majesty this morning; but you must announce yourself, for
should I show my face inside the jewel-studded cavern where the King is
now raving, I'd soon look like a dish of mashed potatoes, and be of no
further use to anyone.&quot;

&quot;I'm not a-fraid,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then walk in and make yourself at home,&quot; answered Kaliko, and threw
open the door of the King's cavern.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Tiktok promptly walked in and faced the astonished Nome King, to whom
he said: &quot;Good morn-ing. I want two new steel springs for my
thought-works and a new cog-wheel for my speech-pro-du-cer. How a-bout
it, your Maj-es-ty?&quot;

The Nome King growled a menacing growl and his eyes were red with rage.

&quot;How dare you enter my presence?&quot; he shouted.

&quot;I dare an-y-thing,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;I'm not a-fraid of a fat Nome.&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

This was true, yet an unwise speech. Had Tiktok's thoughts been in good
working order he would have said something else. The angry Nome King
quickly caught up his heavy mace and hurled it straight at Tiktok. When
it struck the metal man's breast, the force of the blow burst the
bolts which held the plates of his body together and they clattered to
the floor in a score of pieces. Hundreds and hundreds of wheels, pins,
cogs and springs filled the air like a cloud and then rattled like hail
upon the floor.

Where Tiktok had stood was now only a scrap-heap and the Nome King was
so amazed by the terrible effect of his blow that he stared in wonder.

His Majesty's anger quickly cooled. He remembered that the Clockwork Man
was a favorite subject of the powerful Princess, Ozma of Oz, who would
be sure to resent Tiktok's ruin.

&quot;Too bad! too bad!&quot; he muttered, regretfully. &quot;I'm really sorry I made
junk of the fellow. I didn't know he'd break.&quot;

&quot;You'd better be,&quot; remarked Kaliko, who now ventured to enter the room.
&quot;You'll have a war on your hands when Ozma hears of this, and the
chances are you will lose your throne and your kingdom.&quot;

The Nome King turned pale, for he loved to rule the Nomes and did not
know of any other way to earn a living in case Ozma fought and conquered
him.

&quot;Do—do you think Ozma will be angry?&quot; he asked anxiously.

&quot;I'm sure of it,&quot; said Kaliko. &quot;And she has the right to be. You've made
scrap-iron of her favorite.&quot;

The King groaned.

&quot;Sweep him up and throw the rubbish into the black pit,&quot; he commanded;
and then he shut himself up in his private den and for days would see no
one, because he was so ashamed of his unreasoning anger and so feared
the results of his rash act.

Kaliko swept up the pieces, but he did not throw them into the black
pit. Being a clever and skillful mechanic he determined to fit the
pieces together again.

No man ever faced a greater puzzle; but it was interesting work and
Kaliko succeeded. When he found a spring or wheel worn or imperfect, he
made a new one.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

Within two weeks, by working steadily night and day, the Chief Steward
completed his task and put the three sets of clockworks and the last
rivet into Tiktok's body. He then wound up the motion machinery, and the
Clockwork Man walked up and down the room as naturally as ever. Then
Kaliko wound up the thought works and the speech regulator and said to
Tiktok:

&quot;How do you feel now?&quot;

&quot;Fine,&quot; said the Clockwork Man. &quot;You have done a ve-ry good job,
Kal-i-ko, and saved me from de-struc-tion. Much o-bliged.&quot;

&quot;Don't mention it,&quot; replied the Chief Steward. &quot;I quite enjoyed the
work.&quot;

Just then the Nome King's gong sounded, and Kaliko rushed away through
the jewel-studded cavern and into the den where the King had hidden,
leaving the doors ajar.

&quot;Kaliko,&quot; said the King, in a meek voice, &quot;I've been shut up here long
enough to repent bitterly the destruction of Tiktok. Of course Ozma will
have revenge, and send an army to fight us, but we must take our
medicine. One thing comforts me: Tiktok wasn't really a live person; he
was only a machine man, and so it wasn't very wicked to stop his
clockworks. I couldn't sleep nights, at first, for worry; but there's no
more harm in smashing a machine man than in breaking a wax doll. Don't
you think so?&quot;

&quot;I am too humble to think in the presence of your Majesty,&quot; said Kaliko.

&quot;Then get me something to eat,&quot; commanded the King, &quot;for I'm nearly
starved. Two roasted goats, a barrel of cakes and nine mince pies will
do me until dinnertime.&quot;

Kaliko bowed and hurried away to the royal kitchen, forgetting Tiktok,
who was wandering around in the outer cavern. Suddenly the Nome King
looked up and saw the Clockwork Man standing before him, and at the
sight the monarch's eyes grew big and round and he fell a-trembling in
every limb.

&quot;Away, grim Shadow!&quot; he cried. &quot;You're not here, you know; you're only a
hash of cogwheels and springs, lying at the bottom of the black pit.
Vanish, thou Vision of the demolished Tiktok, and leave me in peace—for
I have bitterly repented!&quot;

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Then beg my pardon,&quot; said Tiktok in a gruff voice, for Kaliko had
forgotten to oil the speech works.

But the sound of a voice coming from what he thought a mere vision was
too much for the Nome King's shaken nerves. He gave a yell of fear and
rushed from the room. Tiktok followed, so the King bolted through the
corridors on a swift run and bumped against Kaliko, who was returning
with a tray of things to eat. The sound of the breaking dishes, as they
struck the floor, added to the King's terror and he yelled again and
dashed into a great cavern where a thousand Nomes were at work hammering
metal.

{{c|{{smaller|[Illustration]}}}}

&quot;Look out! Here comes a phantom clockwork man!&quot; screamed the
terrified monarch, and every Nome dropped his tools and made a rush
from the cavern, knocking over their King in their mad flight and
recklessly trampling upon his prostrate fat body. So, when Tiktok came
into the cavern, there was only the Nome King left, and he was rolling
upon the rocky floor and howling for mercy, with his eyes fast shut so
that he could not see what he was sure was a dreadful phantom that was
coming straight toward him.

&quot;It oc-curs to me,&quot; said Tiktok calmly, &quot;that your Maj-es-ty is act-ing
like a ba-by I am not a phan-tom. A phan-tom is unreal, while I am the
real thing.&quot;

The King rolled over, sat up and opened his eyes.

&quot;Didn't I smash you to pieces?&quot; he asked in trembling tones.

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Tiktok.

&quot;Then you are nothing but a junk-heap, and this form in which you now
appear cannot be real.&quot;

&quot;It is, though,&quot; declared Tiktok. &quot;Kal-i-ko picked up my piec-es and put
me to-geth-er a-gain. I'm as good as new, and perhaps bet-ter.&quot;

&quot;That is true, your Majesty,&quot; added Kaliko, who now made his appearance,
&quot;and I hope you will forgive me for mending Tiktok. He was quite broken
up, after you smashed him, and I found it almost as hard a job to match
his pieces as to pick turnips from gooseberry bushes. But I did it,&quot; he
added proudly.

&quot;You are forgiven,&quot; announced the Nome King, rising to his feet and
drawing a long breath. &quot;I will raise your wages one specto a year, and
Tiktok shall return to the Land of Oz loaded with jewels for the
Princess Ozma.&quot;

&quot;That is all right,&quot; said Tiktok. &quot;But what I want to know is, why did
you hit me with your mace?&quot;

&quot;Because I was angry,&quot; admitted the King. &quot;When I am angry I always do
something that I am sorry for afterward. So I have firmly resolved never
to get angry again; unless—unless—&quot;

&quot;Unless what, your Majesty?&quot; inquired Kaliko.

[Illustration]

&quot;Unless something annoys me,&quot; said the Nome King. And then he went to
his treasure-chamber to get the jewels for Princess Ozma of Oz.
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I saw some transcription works that have pages with musical notation. I have a free musical notation software (similar to LilyPond) that is published under the GNU Public License; and I was wondering if I would be allowed to copy the music notes from the scans to the software, and then upload them onto Commons as derivative works.--[[User:Angelprincess72|Angelprincess72]] ([[User talk:Angelprincess72|talk]]) 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
: Are you using Denemo or something else? If it's Denemo, I understand that it saves to LilyPond format, and there ''is'' a precedent for LilyPond files on Commons (see [[commons:Help:GNU LilyPond]]).  If it's something else, there might be some resistance to adding another musical-notation file format, but since it's GPL, I don't think there would be anything to prevent you from uploading your files (the only issue I know of would be if they're saved in a reverse-engineered, proprietary format such as Sibelius or Finale).  I would read the recommendations in that LilyPond help file even if what you have is not LilyPond format.  —[[User:LarryGilbert|LarryGilbert]] ([[User talk:LarryGilbert|talk]]) 21:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::I can save the files in LilyPond format as well. --[[User:Angelprincess72|Angelprincess72]] ([[User talk:Angelprincess72|talk]]) 22:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The matter was broached at some point in the past about LilyPond, and all I saw was people run away quickly, especially in the bigger WMF world. I was pointed to look at [[mw:Extension:ABC|Extension:ABC]] and mentioned that here, however, there was silence, and our main muso was elsewhere at the time. I let it drop, especially as I wasn't around the tech side.  I think that we need something, your proposal seems to provide a solution either permanently or at least until there is a technological advance. [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:While we can't currently collaboratively edit Lilypond in wikisource or wikipedia (see [[mw:Extension:Lilypond|Extension:Lilypond]] for brief details), I think it would be best to use it for creating the images. This is because it has a much wider range of music typesetting options than the (free) alternatives do. We'll certainly need some of its specialist options for typesetting the music examples in [[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians]]. For example, some of the more esoteric clefs are needed, as are neums.
:The other reason for using Lilypond is that when the guys at Wikimedia are finally able to turn their attention to sorting out the Extension, we won't have a lot of work to do to change the images to Lilypond used directly. This is because the expectation is that the Lilypond code used to produce an image is included in the notes to the image on Commons.
:I've found, however, that one has to be careful not to typeset too much at once in Lilypond - the files become very big, very quickly. For example, I tried to do the 7 musical examples on [[Page:A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians_vol_1.djvu/24|page 12]] of the Dictionary in one go. The result is [[commons:File:Grove 1900 p12.png|this file]] on commons. At this point I decided to get on with the proofreading and think about the images later.
:But don't let this stop you having a go. There is no copyright problem with transcribing musical examples from the PD publications that we are hosting. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::I have just uploaded onto Commons my first musical notation copy from [[Page:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu/470|page 470]] of ''A Dictionary of Music and Musicians'', and here is [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Page_470_music_piece_%28A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians-Volume_1%29.png the result]. I ''think'' the licensing is right, as the first tag is for the [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians_vol_1.djvu original book], and the second (and third) tag is for the software I used to create the music. --[[User:Angelprincess72|Angelprincess72]] ([[User talk:Angelprincess72|talk]]) 12:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::OK. Unfortunately on the older PC I usually use with IEv6.0 it appears to be a black box with four red dots. On swapping to the iMac with Firefox I can see it. Could it be a bit bigger? And are you able to change the red bass notes to black? Can't help with the licensing question, sorry. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::It is a shame that the music notation seems to have stalled, at least in part due to the ABC vs. Lillypond thing.  Although I don't have much experience with it, it seems that ABC is safer and more practical, so it would be nice if that could be gotten to work, and maybe add Lillypond as an alternative later.  The problem with Lillypond is that it's not safe, and nobody has even defined yet what a safe subset would be, so we can't really predict how much work would be involved in converting images to Lillypond when the time comes, although it would likely involve hand-editing machine generated files.  By contrast, ABC is a standard format, so you should be able to even use a file that was found on the net, unlike Lillypond which would be MediaWiki specific. -[[User:Sanbeg|Steve Sanbeg]] ([[User talk:Sanbeg|talk]]) 18:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

====Previous notes/discussions====
* [[Help:Sheet music]]
* [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2008-10#Music and cross-project collaboration]]
* [[Wikisource talk:Proofread of the Month#September 2009]]

===Propose that we request [[mw:Extension:ABC]]===
As a follow-up to this discussion, I would like to propose that English Wikisource, looks to have the [[mw:Extension:ABC|Extension:ABC]] be requested to be add to our available services through a request to Bugzilla. Also propose that we leave this proposal open for two weeks, thus closing 26 February.
====Discussion====
* '''Comment''' I chatted with Senior Developer Tim Starling last weekened, and he said that he would address what he saw as the requirements to have ABC progress, so that a developer could undertake those issues.  He also said that he was willing to look at the issues of the other music notation applications, though was comfortable that we could resolve the sticking points of Extension:ABC quickly and not have an impediment. He was positive in his outlook. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
**Tim Starling indicated that this will need to await imminent roll-out of the next Mediawiki version across WMF, then it can have some of his focus. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 16:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

====Votes====
* '''Support''' per nom. In lieu of anything superior, and not to prevent nor obstruct any upgrade that may be possible in time. [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
* '''Yes''', as a test drive. If it sucks, it can be removed again. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Yes.'''—[[User:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;Zhaladshar&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;(Talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Hesperian. I wonder, though, if it isn't time for a project specializing in [[w:Musical notation|written music]]. This encompasses far more than standard notation, including but not limited to: [[w:graphic notation (music)|graphic notation]], [http://www.musicmarkup.info/scope/markuplanguages.html musical markup] or [[w:piano roll|piano rolls]].
*:There have been a few proposals for this ([[meta:WikiScores|WikiScores]], [[meta:Wikimusic II|Wikimusic II]], maybe others), but without software support there's not really much that can be done. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 10:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  --[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] ([[User talk:Zyephyrus|talk]]) 14:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''': I absolutely agree. It would make it easier to edit music, and it would allow ''everybody'' to edit music, not just those users who have LilyPond or another similar musical notation software. --[[User:Angelprincess72|Angelprincess72]] ([[User talk:Angelprincess72|talk]]) 18:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' But this isn't a matter of no one asking before. It still needs development work, to copy the last comment (Aryeh Gregor) on [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 the infamous bug 189] &quot;The ABC extension still seems like the most likely choice (because it's passed security review by a root), but it apparently needs some changes, and no one has been willing to spend the time on making them.  According to River, &quot;brion wanted some changes made to how it stores files, which got hung up on a rewrite of the file repo stuff so it never happened&quot;.  There's no ETA; it looks to me like it will have to wait until a root or someone is willing to spend the time on it.&quot;--&lt;i&gt;[[User:BirgitteSB|&lt;span style=&quot;color=&quot;#9966FF&quot;&gt;Birgitte&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;SB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt; 19:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Yes, a musical notation system is long overdue. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 12:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Yes. Furthermore, ABC is an internet standard for small tunes. [[User:Asr|Asr]] ([[User talk:Asr|talk]]) 19:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (Is this still open?) It would be great to have ''some'' way to show musical notation. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 12:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)</text>
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tional. If, by the terms of the agreement, the purchaser
becomes liable unconditionally for the purchase price, although
by the agreement he may never get the title and ownership
of the property, then the agreement is an evasion of the reg-
istration statute, as its purpose is simply to retain a secret
lien. The defendant's agreement with Berthourd provides
that they may resume the possession of the cars if Berthourd
failed to pay the deferred payments, note, or renewals, and
may thereafter sell the same at public or private sale, after
10 days' written notice to said party, and apply the proceeds
on the unpaid notes, whether due or not, the said party of
the second part still remaining liable for any balance of such
notes thereby unpaid.&quot;

This provision makes the buyer bound unconditionally for
the purchase price, even though he never gets the title and
ownership of the property. Is not this conclusive evidence
that the agreement which it is insisted evidences a conditional
sale is merely a device to retain a secret, and unrecorded
lien on the property sold? The purchase price of these cars
was $2,930, of which $1,450.82 was paid in cash, and a 60
days' note for $1,479.68 given. The agreement provides
that if Berthourd failed to pay said note, or any renewal
as it became due, or within 10 days thereafter, the Barney &amp;
Smith Manufacturing Company would have the right to resume
the possession of the cars and sell them at public or private
sale. Berthourd, therefore, paid $1,432.32 in cash, and became
unconditionally liable for $1,479.68 more; and, according to
the agreement, only obtained the use of these cars for 70
days. If he retained them longer it would be entirely at the
option of the Barney &amp; Smith Manufacturing Company. This
proves that the real nature of the transaction was simply a
device to retain an unrecorded lien.

My attention has been called to two recent manuscript
opinions of the Kentucky court of appeals, in which it is
claimed the court has modified its decision in ''Greer'' v. ''Church
&amp; Co.'' One of those opinions is to the effect that a 'contract
of renting personal property, in which the party has the priv-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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becomes ''liable unconditionally'' for the purchase price, although
by the agreement he may never get the title and ownership
of the property, then the agreement is an evasion of the registration statute, as its purpose is simply to retain a secret
lien. The defendant's agreement with Berthourd provides
that they may resume the possession of the cars if Berthourd
failed to pay the deferred payments, note, or renewals, and
may thereafter sell the same at public or private sale, after
10 days' written notice to said party, and apply the proceeds
on the unpaid notes, whether due or not, ''the said party of the second part still remaining liable for any balance of such notes thereby unpaid''.&quot;

This provision makes the buyer bound ''unconditionally'' for
the purchase price, even though he never gets the title and
ownership of the property. Is not this conclusive evidence
that the agreement which it is insisted evidences a conditional
sale is merely a device to retain a secret, and unrecorded
lien on the property sold? The purchase price of these cars
was $2,930, of which $1,450.82 was paid in cash, and a 60
days' note for $1,479.68 given. The agreement provides
that if Berthourd failed to pay said note, or any renewal
as it became due, or within 10 days thereafter, the Barney &amp;
Smith Manufacturing Company would have the right to resume
the possession of the cars and sell them at public or private
sale. Berthourd, therefore, paid $1,432.32 in cash, and became
unconditionally liable for $1,479.68 more; and, according to
the agreement, only obtained the use of these cars for 70
days. If he retained them longer it would be entirely at the
option of the Barney &amp; Smith Manufacturing Company. This
proves that the real nature of the transaction was simply a
device to retain an unrecorded lien.

My attention has been called to two recent manuscript
opinions of the Kentucky court of appeals, in which it is
claimed the court has modified its decision in ''Greer'' v. ''Church &amp; Co.'' One of those opinions is to the effect that a 'contract
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FEDERAL REPORTER.

&quot;Sec. 8. Personal property, except such as is required in this act to be
listed and assessed otherwise, shall be listed and assessed in the county,
town, or district where the owner resides. The capital stock and fran-chises of corporations and persons, except as may be otherwise provided,
shall be listed and taxed in the county, town, or district where the princi-
pal office or place of business of such corporation or person is located in
this state. If there be no principal office or place of business in this state,
then at the place in this state where any such corporation or person trans-
acts business.&quot;

In the year 1877, and before the tax of that year was levied,
section 1 was amended so as to read:
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&quot;All real property and all personal property employed in trade or business in this state, and all personal property of persons residing herein, is subject to tax&quot; etc.
In 1878 section 1 of the statute in force read:

&quot;All real and personal property in this state * * * is subject to taxation:&quot;&quot;


 FINDING OF FACTS.

The plaintiff, an unmarried man, a native of Ireland, had resided previous to the 27th of April, 1876, and for many years, in the city of Faribault, in the state of Minnesota. He was engaged in private banking, and loaning money on bond or note and mortgage. Being in infirm health, he determined to close up his business, abandon Faribault, and make the city of New York his permanent residence. In April he left Faribault and was ''in itinere'' to New York, stopping at Philadelphia, where he was on May 1st, the day fixed by statute for listing personal property for the purpose of taxation. The personal property not being listed by the plaintiff or his agent in charge of his business, which was in process of being closed up, was returned by the assessor and the tax collected or paid by the agent involuntarily. In 1877 and also in 1878 the personal property remained in the state of Minnesota, and was successively taxed under the laws existing during those years. The plaintiff reached the city of New York about May 3, 1876, stopping at a hotel for two weeks, when he gave up his room, leaving his heavy baggage at the house, and traveled until November 1st, when he visited a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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FEDERAL REPORTER.

&quot;Sec. 8. Personal property, except such as is required in this act to be
listed and assessed otherwise, shall be listed and assessed in the county,
town, or district where the owner resides. The capital stock and fran-chises of corporations and persons, except as may be otherwise provided,
shall be listed and taxed in the county, town, or district where the princi-
pal office or place of business of such corporation or person is located in
this state. If there be no principal office or place of business in this state,
then at the place in this state where any such corporation or person trans-
acts business.&quot;

In the year 1877, and before the tax of that year was levied,
section 1 was amended so as to read:

&quot;All real property and all personal property employed in trade or business in this state, and all personal property of persons residing herein, is subject to tax&quot; etc.
In 1878 section 1 of the statute in force read:

&quot;All real and personal property in this state * * * is subject to taxation:&quot;&quot;


 FINDING OF FACTS.

The plaintiff, an unmarried man, a native of Ireland, had resided previous to the 27th of April, 1876, and for many years, in the city of Faribault, in the state of Minnesota. He was engaged in private banking, and loaning money on bond or note and mortgage. Being in infirm health, he determined to close up his business, abandon Faribault, and make the city of New York his permanent residence. In April he left Faribault and was ''in itinere'' to New York, stopping at Philadelphia, where he was on May 1st, the day fixed by statute for listing personal property for the purpose of taxation. The personal property not being listed by the plaintiff or his agent in charge of his business, which was in process of being closed up, was returned by the assessor and the tax collected or paid by the agent involuntarily. In 1877 and also in 1878 the personal property remained in the state of Minnesota, and was successively taxed under the laws existing during those years. The plaintiff reached the city of New York about May 3, 1876, stopping at a hotel for two weeks, when he gave up his room, leaving his heavy baggage at the house, and traveled until November 1st, when he visited a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of an agent or messenger of the person or company engaged in it; 
and to refuse permission to this agent to accompany these packages 
on steam-boats or raiiroads in which they are carried, and to deny 
them the right to the control of them while so carried, is destructive to the business, and of the rights which the public have to the use 
of the railroads in this class of transportation. 

3. I am of the opinion that when express matter is so confided to 
the charge of an agent or messenger the railroad company is no 
longer liable to all the obligations of a common carrier, but that, when 
loss or injury occurs, the liability depends upon the exercise of due 
care, skill, and diligence on the part of the railroad company. 

4. That under these circumstances there does not exist, on the part 
of the railroad company, the right to open and inspect a11 packages 
so carried, especially -when they have been duly closed or sealed up 
by their owners or by the express carrier. 

5. I am of the opinion that it is the duty of every railroad company 
,to provide such conveyances by special cars, or otherwise, attached 
to their freight or passenger trains, as are required for the safe and 
proper transportation of this express matter on their roads, and that 
the use of these facilities should be extended on equal terms to 
all who are actually and usually engaged in the express business. 
If the number of persons claiming the right to engage in this 
business at the same time, on the same road, should become oppressive, other considerations might prevail ; but, until such a State 
of affairs is shown to be actually in existence in good faith, it is 
unnecessary to consider it. 

6. This express matter and the person in charge of it should be 
carried by the railroad company at fair and reasonable rates of compensation, and where the parties concerned cannot agree upon what 
that is, it is a question for the courts to decide. 

7. I am of the opinion that a court of equity in a case properly 
made out has the authority to compel the railroad companies to carry 
this express matter, and to perform the duties in that respect which 
I have already indicated, and to make such orders and decrees, and 
to enforce them by the ordinary methods in use, necessary to that 
end. 

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that they supposed that they had so informed him by telegraph. The defend- 
ants have not been in the habit of selling their own corn for future delivery. 
They usually cribbed a small crib, and also purchased, in the summer, corn 
which they were in the habit of sending to McCrea &amp; Ce, to be sold as it ar- 
rived. Corn sold at the market rate, to be delivered in the future, is always 
sold in lots of 5,000 bushels, or multiples of 5,000. If smaller lots are sold for 
future delivery there must be a discount from the market rates. In 1878-9 
the defendants had a crib of about 3,000 bushels. They sold corn to McCrea &amp; 
Co. in September, October, and November, 1879, in addition to the 25,000 bush- 
els upon future delivery, as follows: 
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&quot; 11 427.08 « &quot; 33i &quot; 
Oct. 13 381.34 &quot; &quot; 37| &quot; 
�» 17 523.12 &quot; &quot;39 &quot; 
�&quot; 22 945.10 &quot; &quot; 46| « 
�&quot; 23 947.08 &quot; &quot; 45| &quot; 
�» 25 1,440.20 &quot; &quot;.45| &quot; 
�&quot; 28 944.46 &quot; &quot; 42 &quot; 
�&quot; 29 992.38 &quot; &quot; 41 &quot; 
�&quot; 31 415.20 &quot; &quot; 41| &quot; 
�Nov. 3 395.10 « &quot;421 &quot; 
�&quot; 11 484.46 &quot; &quot; 42| &quot; 
�In the winter of 1879-80 the defendant bought a new lot of unshelled corn 
for the plaintifiE, so that, crediting hitn at the rate of 37 J cents for 14,492 
bushels, lie ovired then $79, which he paid. 
�There is no dispute in regard to the sale of 10,000 bushels at 34| cents on 
September 6th. 
�This suit is brought to recover from the defendants the amount 
which the plaintff claims they received for his corn in excess of 37^ 
cents per bushel for 14,492 bushels, or damages for breach of con- 
tract. 
�The plaintiff claims damages because his corn would have amounted 
to more than 14,492 bushels had the defendants exercised the care 
required by the contract. He claims that there was or should have 
been an excess above 37J cents, because the defendants violated their 
instructions in selling at that sum, and did not send the balance to 
McCrea for sale, but sold it themselves from time to time ; and, lastly, 
if no insti-uctions were violated, they sold but 10,000 bushels at 37J, 
and the residue at a greater sum. 
�The first two positions are untenable. The plaintiff's case must 
rest entirely upon the third point. If 15,000 bushels of the plaintiff's 
corn were sold on September 20th, it was a sale in pursuance of exist- 
ing restrictions. 
�It is clear that the defendants sold on September 20th 15,000 bush- 
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VERMONT Farm Machine Co. v. Converse. 

(Circuit Court, D. Connecticut February 3, 1882.))

1. Reopening Cause — Grounds for, Insufficient. 

On motion to &quot;reopen&quot; a cause, and allow defendant to take additional testimony, was denied; the defendant not stating that the evidence was not accessible at the trial, or that it was not then known to him, or that it is material. 

On motion to reopen the cause and allow additional testimony to 
be taken. 

W. E. Simonds, for plaintiff. 

Charles B. Tilden, for defendant. 

Shipman, D. J. This is a motion to &quot;reopen&quot; the cause and allow 
the defendant to take additional testimony upon 16 points. The 
testimony seems by the record to have been closed on November 25, 
1881, when the plaintiff's rebutting testimony was taken. The defend- 
ant did not then suggest that he was intending to reply. He does 
not now state that the evidence was not then as accessible and as well 
known to him as it is now, or that it is material. He says that the 
statements of the plaintiff which it is desired to answer &quot;consist for 
the most part of new matter, not yet set forth or alluded to in the 
prima facie case made by the plaintiff, and not being in reply to 
anything set up by the defendant,&quot; and that the testimony &quot;tends to 
injure him and prejudice his rights in the present suit.&quot; 

I am of opinion that when the plaintiff closed his rebutting testimony the defendant did not think that this new matter required any 
reply or was of importance. Subsequent reflection leads him to fear 
that, if it is unanswered, it may prejudice his case, but he does not 
think that it will injure him, or that it is of importance. 

If the case is opened, and the defendant is allowed to take testimony upon 16 points which are not claimed to be material to the  case, I think that the present compact record would become needlessly voluminous, and that needless expense would be imposed upon  both parties. 

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{{center|{{larger|She Stoops To Conquer; Or, The Mistakes Of A Night.}}}}

{{center|{{larger|A Comedy.}}}}


{{center|'''To Samuel Johnson, LL.D.'''}}

Dear Sir,—By inscribing this slight performance to you, I do not mean so much to compliment you as myself. It may do me some honour to inform the public, that I have lived many years in intimacy with you. It may serve the interests of mankind also to inform them, that the greatest wit may be found in a character, without impairing the most unaffected piety.

I have, particularly, reason to thank you for your partiality to this performance. The undertaking a comedy not merely sentimental was very dangerous; and Mr. Colman, who saw this piece in its various stages, always thought it so. However, I ventured to trust it to the public; and, though it was necessarily delayed till late in the season, I have every reason to be grateful.

I am, dear Sir, your most sincere friend and admirer,

{{center|''OLIVER GOLDSMITH. ''}}

==PROLOGUE,==

By David Garrick, Esq.

[Enter MR. WOODWARD, dressed in black, and holding a handkerchief to his eyes.]

&lt;poem&gt;
     ''Excuse me, sirs, I pray—I can't yet speak—''
     ''I'm crying now—and have been all the week.''
     ''&quot;'Tis not alone this mourning suit,&quot; good masters:''
     ''&quot;I've that within&quot;—for which there are no plasters!''
     ''Pray, would you know the reason why I'm crying?''
     ''The Comic Muse, long sick, is now a-dying!''
     ''And if she goes, my tears will never stop;''
     ''For as a player, I can't squeeze out one drop:''
     ''I am undone, that's all—shall lose my bread—''
     ''I'd rather, but that's nothing—lose my head.''
     ''When the sweet maid is laid upon the bier,''
     ''Shuter and I shall be chief mourners here.''
     ''To her a mawkish drab of spurious breed,''
     ''Who deals in sentimentals, will succeed!''
     ''Poor Ned and I are dead to all intents;''
     ''We can as soon speak Greek as sentiments!''
     ''Both nervous grown, to keep our spirits up,''
     ''We now and then take down a hearty cup.''
     ''What shall we do?  If Comedy forsake us,''
     ''They'll turn us out, and no one else will take us.''
     ''But why can't I be moral?—Let me try—''
     ''My heart thus pressing—fixed my face and eye—''
     ''With a sententious look, that nothing means,''
     ''(Faces are blocks in sentimental scenes)''
     ''Thus I begin: &quot;All is not gold that glitters,''
     ''&quot;Pleasure seems sweet, but proves a glass of bitters.''
     ''&quot;When Ignorance enters, Folly is at hand:''
     ''&quot;Learning is better far than house and land.''
     ''&quot;Let not your virtue trip; who trips may stumble,''
     ''&quot;And virtue is not virtue, if she tumble.&quot;''

     ''I give it up—morals won't do for me;''
     ''To make you laugh, I must play tragedy.''
     ''One hope remains—hearing the maid was ill,''
     ''A Doctor comes this night to show his skill.''
     ''To cheer her heart, and give your muscles motion,''
     ''He, in Five Draughts prepar'd, presents a potion:''
     ''A kind of magic charm—for be assur'd,''
     ''If you will swallow it, the maid is cur'd:''
     ''But desperate the Doctor, and her case is,''
     ''If you reject the dose, and make wry faces!''
     ''This truth he boasts, will boast it while he lives,''
     ''No poisonous drugs are mixed in what he gives.''
     ''Should he succeed, you'll give him his degree;''
     ''If not, within he will receive no fee!''
     ''The College YOU, must his pretensions back,''
     ''Pronounce him Regular, or dub him Quack.''&lt;/poem&gt;

==DRAMATIS PERSONAE.==

{|
|     MEN.
|-
|     SIR CHARLES MARLOW       ||    Mr. Gardner.
|-
|     YOUNG MARLOW (His Son){{gap}}   ||    Mr. Lee Lewes.
|-
|     HARDCASTLE               ||    Mr. Shuter.
|-
|     HASTINGS                 ||    Mr. Dubellamy.
|-
|     TONY LUMPKIN             ||    Mr. Quick.
|-
|     DIGGORY                  ||    Mr. Saunders.
|-
|
|-
|     WOMEN.
|-
|     MRS. HARDCASTLE          ||    Mrs. Green.
|-
|     MISS HARDCASTLE          ||    Mrs. Bulkley.
|-
|     MISS NEVILLE             ||    Mrs. Kniveton.
|-
|     MAID                     ||    Miss Williams.
|-
|
|-
| colspan=&quot;2&quot; |     LANDLORD, SERVANTS, Etc. Etc.
|}

==ACT THE FIRST.==

SCENE—A Chamber in an old-fashioned House.

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE and MR. HARDCASTLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I vow, Mr. Hardcastle, you're very particular. Is there a creature in the whole country but ourselves, that does not take a trip to town now and then, to rub off the rust a little? There's the two Miss Hoggs, and our neighbour Mrs. Grigsby, go to take a month's polishing every winter.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, and bring back vanity and affectation to last them the whole year. I wonder why London cannot keep its own fools at home! In my time, the follies of the town crept slowly among us, but now they travel faster than a stage-coach. Its fopperies come down not only as inside passengers, but in the very basket.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, your times were fine times indeed; you have been telling us of them for many a long year. Here we live in an old rumbling mansion, that looks for all the world like an inn, but that we never see company. Our best visitors are old Mrs. Oddfish, the curate's wife, and little Cripplegate, the lame dancing-master; and all our entertainment your old stories of Prince Eugene and the Duke of Marlborough. I hate such old-fashioned trumpery.

HARDCASTLE.
:And I love it. I love everything that's old: old friends, old times, old manners, old books, old wine; and I believe, Dorothy [taking her hand], you'll own I have been pretty fond of an old wife.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Lord, Mr. Hardcastle, you're for ever at your Dorothys and your old wifes. You may be a Darby, but I'll be no Joan, I promise you. I'm not so old as you'd make me, by more than one good year. Add twenty to twenty, and make money of that.

HARDCASTLE.
:Let me see; twenty added to twenty makes just fifty and seven.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:It's false, Mr. Hardcastle; I was but twenty when I was brought to bed of Tony, that I had by Mr. Lumpkin, my first husband; and he's not come to years of discretion yet.

HARDCASTLE.
:Nor ever will, I dare answer for him. Ay, you have taught him finely.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:No matter. Tony Lumpkin has a good fortune. My son is not to live by his learning. I don't think a boy wants much learning to spend fifteen hundred a year.

HARDCASTLE.
:Learning, quotha! a mere composition of tricks and mischief.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Humour, my dear; nothing but humour. Come, Mr. Hardcastle, you must allow the boy a little humour.

HARDCASTLE.
:I'd sooner allow him a horse-pond. If burning the footmen's shoes, frightening the maids, and worrying the kittens be humour, he has it. It was but yesterday he fastened my wig to the back of my chair, and when I went to make a bow, I popt my bald head in Mrs. Frizzle's face.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:And am I to blame? The poor boy was always too sickly to do any good. A school would be his death. When he comes to be a little stronger, who knows what a year or two's Latin may do for him?

HARDCASTLE.
:Latin for him! A cat and fiddle. No, no; the alehouse and the stable are the only schools he'll ever go to.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Well, we must not snub the poor boy now, for I believe we shan't have him long among us. Anybody that looks in his face may see he's consumptive.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, if growing too fat be one of the symptoms.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:He coughs sometimes.

HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, when his liquor goes the wrong way.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I'm actually afraid of his lungs.

HARDCASTLE.
:And truly so am I; for he sometimes whoops like a speaking trumpet—[Tony hallooing behind the scenes]—O, there he goes—a very consumptive figure, truly.

[Enter TONY, crossing the stage.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Tony, where are you going, my charmer? Won't you give papa and I a little of your company, lovee?

TONY.
:I'm in haste, mother; I cannot stay.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:You shan't venture out this raw evening, my dear; you look most shockingly.

TONY.
:I can't stay, I tell you. The Three Pigeons expects me down every moment. There's some fun going forward.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay; the alehouse, the old place: I thought so.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:A low, paltry set of fellows.

TONY.
:Not so low, neither. There's Dick Muggins the exciseman, Jack Slang the horse doctor, Little Aminadab that grinds the music box, and Tom Twist that spins the pewter platter.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Pray, my dear, disappoint them for one night at least.

TONY.
:As for disappointing them, I should not so much mind; but I can't abide to disappoint myself.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[detaining him.] You shan't go.

TONY.
:I will, I tell you.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I say you shan't.

TONY.
:We'll see which is strongest, you or I. [Exit, hauling her out.]

HARDCASTLE.
:[solus.] Ay, there goes a pair that only spoil each other. But is not the whole age in a combination to drive sense and discretion out of doors? There's my pretty darling Kate! the fashions of the times have almost infected her too. By living a year or two in town, she is as fond of gauze and French frippery as the best of them.

[Enter MISS HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Blessings on my pretty innocence! drest out as usual, my Kate. Goodness! What a quantity of superfluous silk hast thou got about thee, girl! I could never teach the fools of this age, that the indigent world could be clothed out of the trimmings of the vain.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:You know our agreement, sir. You allow me the morning to receive and pay visits, and to dress in my own manner; and in the evening I put on my housewife's dress to please you.

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, remember, I insist on the terms of our agreement; and, by the bye, I believe I shall have occasion to try your obedience this very evening.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I protest, sir, I don't comprehend your meaning.

HARDCASTLE.
:Then to be plain with you, Kate, I expect the young gentleman I have chosen to be your husband from town this very day. I have his father's letter, in which he informs me his son is set out, and that he intends to follow himself shortly after.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Indeed! I wish I had known something of this before. Bless me, how shall I behave? It's a thousand to one I shan't like him; our meeting will be so formal, and so like a thing of business, that I shall find no room for friendship or esteem.

HARDCASTLE.
:Depend upon it, child, I'll never control your choice; but Mr. Marlow, whom I have pitched upon, is the son of my old friend, Sir Charles Marlow, of whom you have heard me talk so often. The young gentleman has been bred a scholar, and is designed for an employment in the service of his country. I am told he's a man of an excellent understanding.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Is he?

HARDCASTLE.
:Very generous.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I believe I shall like him.

HARDCASTLE.
:Young and brave.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I'm sure I shall like him.

HARDCASTLE.
:And very handsome.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:My dear papa, say no more, [kissing his hand], he's mine; I'll have him.

HARDCASTLE.
:And, to crown all, Kate, he's one of the most bashful and reserved young fellows in all the world.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Eh! you have frozen me to death again. That word RESERVED has undone all the rest of his accomplishments. A reserved lover, it is said, always makes a suspicious husband.

HARDCASTLE.
:On the contrary, modesty seldom resides in a breast that is not enriched with nobler virtues. It was the very feature in his character that first struck me.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:He must have more striking features to catch me, I promise you. However, if he be so young, so handsome, and so everything as you mention, I believe he'll do still. I think I'll have him.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, Kate, but there is still an obstacle. It's more than an even wager he may not have you.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:My dear papa, why will you mortify one so?—Well, if he refuses, instead of breaking my heart at his indifference, I'll only break my glass for its flattery, set my cap to some newer fashion, and look out for some less difficult admirer.

HARDCASTLE.
:Bravely resolved! In the mean time I'll go prepare the servants for his reception: as we seldom see company, they want as much training as a company of recruits the first day's muster. [Exit.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Alone]. Lud, this news of papa's puts me all in a flutter. Young, handsome: these he put last; but I put them foremost. Sensible, good-natured; I like all that. But then reserved and sheepish; that's much against him. Yet can't he be cured of his timidity, by being taught to be proud of his wife? Yes, and can't I—But I vow I'm disposing of the husband before I have secured the lover.

[Enter MISS NEVILLE.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I'm glad you're come, Neville, my dear. Tell me, Constance, how do I look this evening? Is there anything whimsical about me? Is it one of my well-looking days, child? Am I in face to-day?

MISS NEVILLE.
:Perfectly, my dear. Yet now I look again—bless me!—sure no accident has happened among the canary birds or the gold fishes. Has your brother or the cat been meddling? or has the last novel been too moving?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:No; nothing of all this. I have been threatened—I can scarce get it out—I have been threatened with a lover.

MISS NEVILLE.
:And his name—

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Is Marlow.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Indeed!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:The son of Sir Charles Marlow.

MISS NEVILLE.
:As I live, the most intimate friend of Mr. Hastings, my admirer. They are never asunder. I believe you must have seen him when we lived in town.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Never.

MISS NEVILLE.
:He's a very singular character, I assure you. Among women of reputation and virtue he is the modestest man alive; but his acquaintance give him a very different character among creatures of another stamp: you understand me.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:An odd character indeed. I shall never be able to manage him. What shall I do? Pshaw, think no more of him, but trust to occurrences for success. But how goes on your own affair, my dear? has my mother been courting you for my brother Tony as usual?

MISS NEVILLE.
:I have just come from one of our agreeable tete-a-tetes. She has been saying a hundred tender things, and setting off her pretty monster as the very pink of perfection.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And her partiality is such, that she actually thinks him so. A fortune like yours is no small temptation. Besides, as she has the sole management of it, I'm not surprised to see her unwilling to let it go out of the family.

MISS NEVILLE.
:A fortune like mine, which chiefly consists in jewels, is no such mighty temptation. But at any rate, if my dear Hastings be but constant, I make no doubt to be too hard for her at last. However, I let her suppose that I am in love with her son; and she never once dreams that my affections are fixed upon another.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:My good brother holds out stoutly. I could almost love him for hating you so.

MISS NEVILLE.
:It is a good-natured creature at bottom, and I'm sure would wish to see me married to anybody but himself. But my aunt's bell rings for our afternoon's walk round the improvements. Allons! Courage is necessary, as our affairs are critical.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:&quot;Would it were bed-time, and all were well.&quot; [Exeunt.]

SCENE—An Alehouse Room. Several shabby Fellows with punch and tobacco. TONY at the head of the table, a little higher than the rest, a mallet in his hand.

OMNES.
:Hurrea! hurrea! hurrea! bravo!

FIRST FELLOW Now, gentlemen, silence for a song. The 'squire is going to knock himself down for a song.

OMNES.
:Ay, a song, a song!

TONY.
:Then I'll sing you, gentlemen, a song I made upon this alehouse, the Three Pigeons.

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{{gap}}With grammar, and nonsense, and learning,
Good liquor, I stoutly maintain,
{{gap}}Gives GENUS a better discerning.
Let them brag of their heathenish gods,
{{gap}}Their Lethes, their Styxes, and Stygians,
Their Quis, and their Quaes, and their Quods,
{{gap}}They're all but a parcel of Pigeons.
{{gap|4em}}Toroddle, toroddle, toroll.

When methodist preachers come down,
{{gap}}A-preaching that drinking is sinful,
I'll wager the rascals a crown,
{{gap}}They always preach best with a skinful.
But when you come down with your pence,
{{gap}}For a slice of their scurvy religion,
I'll leave it to all men of sense,
{{gap}}But you, my good friend, are the Pigeon.
{{gap|4em}}Toroddle, toroddle, toroll.

Then come, put the jorum about,
{{gap}}And let us be merry and clever,
Our hearts and our liquors are stout,
{{gap}}Here's the Three Jolly Pigeons for ever.
Let some cry up woodcock or hare,
{{gap}}Your bustards, your ducks, and your widgeons;
But of all the GAY birds in the air,
{{gap}}Here's a health to the Three Jolly Pigeons.
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OMNES.
:Bravo, bravo!

FIRST FELLOW.
:The 'squire has got spunk in him.

SECOND FELLOW.
:I loves to hear him sing, bekeays he never gives us nothing that's low.

THIRD FELLOW.
:O damn anything that's low, I cannot bear it.

FOURTH FELLOW.
:The genteel thing is the genteel thing any time: if so be that a gentleman bees in a concatenation accordingly.

THIRD FELLOW.
:I likes the maxum of it, Master Muggins. What, though I am obligated to dance a bear, a man may be a gentleman for all that. May this be my poison, if my bear ever dances but to the very genteelest of tunes; &quot;Water Parted,&quot; or &quot;The minuet in Ariadne.&quot;

SECOND FELLOW.
:What a pity it is the 'squire is not come to his own. It would be well for all the publicans within ten miles round of him.

TONY.
:Ecod, and so it would, Master Slang. I'd then show what it was to keep choice of company.

SECOND FELLOW.
:O he takes after his own father for that. To be sure old 'Squire Lumpkin was the finest gentleman I ever set my eyes on. For winding the straight horn, or beating a thicket for a hare, or a wench, he never had his fellow. It was a saying in the place, that he kept the best horses, dogs, and girls, in the whole county.

TONY.
:Ecod, and when I'm of age, I'll be no bastard, I promise you. I have been thinking of Bet Bouncer and the miller's grey mare to begin with. But come, my boys, drink about and be merry, for you pay no reckoning. Well, Stingo, what's the matter?

[Enter Landlord.]

LANDLORD.
:There be two gentlemen in a post-chaise at the door. They have lost their way upo' the forest; and they are talking something about Mr. Hardcastle.

TONY.
:As sure as can be, one of them must be the gentleman that's coming down to court my sister. Do they seem to be Londoners?

LANDLORD.
:I believe they may. They look woundily like Frenchmen.

TONY.
:Then desire them to step this way, and I'll set them right in a twinkling. [Exit Landlord.] Gentlemen, as they mayn't be good enough company for you, step down for a moment, and I'll be with you in the squeezing of a lemon. [Exeunt mob.]

TONY.
:[solus]. Father-in-law has been calling me whelp and hound this half year. Now, if I pleased, I could be so revenged upon the old grumbletonian. But then I'm afraid—afraid of what? I shall soon be worth fifteen hundred a year, and let him frighten me out of THAT if he can.

[Enter Landlord, conducting MARLOW and HASTINGS.]

MARLOW.
:What a tedious uncomfortable day have we had of it! We were told it was but forty miles across the country, and we have come above threescore.

HASTINGS.
:And all, Marlow, from that unaccountable reserve of yours, that would not let us inquire more frequently on the way.

MARLOW.
:I own, Hastings, I am unwilling to lay myself under an obligation to every one I meet, and often stand the chance of an unmannerly answer.

HASTINGS.
:At present, however, we are not likely to receive any answer.

TONY.
:No offence, gentlemen. But I'm told you have been inquiring for one Mr. Hardcastle in these parts. Do you know what part of the country you are in?

HASTINGS.
:Not in the least, sir, but should thank you for information.

TONY.
:Nor the way you came?

HASTINGS.
:No, sir: but if you can inform us——

TONY.
:Why, gentlemen, if you know neither the road you are going, nor where you are, nor the road you came, the first thing I have to inform you is, that—you have lost your way.

MARLOW.
:We wanted no ghost to tell us that.

TONY.
:Pray, gentlemen, may I be so bold so as to ask the place from whence you came?

MARLOW.
:That's not necessary towards directing us where we are to go.

TONY.
:No offence; but question for question is all fair, you know. Pray, gentlemen, is not this same Hardcastle a cross-grained, old-fashioned, whimsical fellow, with an ugly face, a daughter, and a pretty son?

HASTINGS.
:We have not seen the gentleman; but he has the family you mention.

TONY.
:The daughter, a tall, trapesing, trolloping, talkative maypole; the son, a pretty, well-bred, agreeable youth, that everybody is fond of.

MARLOW.
:Our information differs in this. The daughter is said to be well-bred and beautiful; the son an awkward booby, reared up and spoiled at his mother's apron-string.

TONY.
:He-he-hem!—Then, gentlemen, all I have to tell you is, that you won't reach Mr. Hardcastle's house this night, I believe.

HASTINGS.
:Unfortunate!

TONY.
:It's a damn'd long, dark, boggy, dirty, dangerous way. Stingo, tell the gentlemen the way to Mr. Hardcastle's! [Winking upon the Landlord.] Mr. Hardcastle's, of Quagmire Marsh, you understand me.

LANDLORD.
:Master Hardcastle's! Lock-a-daisy, my masters, you're come a deadly deal wrong! When you came to the bottom of the hill, you should have crossed down Squash Lane.

MARLOW.
:Cross down Squash Lane!

LANDLORD.
:Then you were to keep straight forward, till you came to four roads.

MARLOW.
:Come to where four roads meet?

TONY.
:Ay; but you must be sure to take only one of them.

MARLOW.
:O, sir, you're facetious.

TONY.
:Then keeping to the right, you are to go sideways till you come upon Crackskull Common: there you must look sharp for the track of the wheel, and go forward till you come to farmer Murrain's barn. Coming to the farmer's barn, you are to turn to the right, and then to the left, and then to the right about again, till you find out the old mill—

MARLOW.
:Zounds, man! we could as soon find out the longitude!

HASTINGS.
:What's to be done, Marlow?

MARLOW.
:This house promises but a poor reception; though perhaps the landlord can accommodate us.

LANDLORD.
:Alack, master, we have but one spare bed in the whole house.

TONY.
:And to my knowledge, that's taken up by three lodgers already. [After a pause, in which the rest seem disconcerted.] I have hit it. Don't you think, Stingo, our landlady could accommodate the gentlemen by the fire-side, with——three chairs and a bolster?

HASTINGS.
:I hate sleeping by the fire-side.

MARLOW.
:And I detest your three chairs and a bolster.

TONY.
:You do, do you? then, let me see—what if you go on a mile further, to the Buck's Head; the old Buck's Head on the hill, one of the best inns in the whole county?

HASTINGS.
:O ho! so we have escaped an adventure for this night, however.

LANDLORD.
:[apart to TONY]. Sure, you ben't sending them to your father's as an inn, be you?

TONY.
:Mum, you fool you. Let THEM find that out. [To them.] You have only to keep on straight forward, till you come to a large old house by the road side. You'll see a pair of large horns over the door. That's the sign. Drive up the yard, and call stoutly about you.

HASTINGS.
:Sir, we are obliged to you. The servants can't miss the way?

TONY.
:No, no: but I tell you, though, the landlord is rich, and going to leave off business; so he wants to be thought a gentleman, saving your presence, he! he! he! He'll be for giving you his company; and, ecod, if you mind him, he'll persuade you that his mother was an alderman, and his aunt a justice of peace.

LANDLORD.
:A troublesome old blade, to be sure; but a keeps as good wines and beds as any in the whole country.

MARLOW.
:Well, if he supplies us with these, we shall want no farther connexion. We are to turn to the right, did you say?

TONY.
:No, no; straight forward. I'll just step myself, and show you a piece of the way. [To the Landlord.] Mum!

LANDLORD.
:Ah, bless your heart, for a sweet, pleasant—damn'd mischievous son of a whore. [Exeunt.]

==ACT THE SECOND.==

SCENE—An old-fashioned House.

[Enter HARDCASTLE, followed by three or four awkward Servants.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, I hope you are perfect in the table exercise I have been teaching you these three days. You all know your posts and your places, and can show that you have been used to good company, without ever stirring from home.

OMNES.
:Ay, ay.

HARDCASTLE.
:When company comes you are not to pop out and stare, and then run in again, like frightened rabbits in a warren.

OMNES.
:No, no.

HARDCASTLE.
:You, Diggory, whom I have taken from the barn, are to make a show at the side-table; and you, Roger, whom I have advanced from the plough, are to place yourself behind my chair. But you're not to stand so, with your hands in your pockets. Take your hands from your pockets, Roger; and from your head, you blockhead you. See how Diggory carries his hands. They're a little too stiff, indeed, but that's no great matter.

DIGGORY.
:Ay, mind how I hold them. I learned to hold my hands this way when I was upon drill for the militia. And so being upon drill——

HARDCASTLE.
:You must not be so talkative, Diggory. You must be all attention to the guests. You must hear us talk, and not think of talking; you must see us drink, and not think of drinking; you must see us eat, and not think of eating.

DIGGORY.
:By the laws, your worship, that's parfectly unpossible. Whenever Diggory sees yeating going forward, ecod, he's always wishing for a mouthful himself.

HARDCASTLE.
:Blockhead! Is not a belly-full in the kitchen as good as a belly-full in the parlour? Stay your stomach with that reflection.

DIGGORY.
:Ecod, I thank your worship, I'll make a shift to stay my stomach with a slice of cold beef in the pantry.

HARDCASTLE.
:Diggory, you are too talkative.—Then, if I happen to say a good thing, or tell a good story at table, you must not all burst out a-laughing, as if you made part of the company.

DIGGORY.
:Then ecod your worship must not tell the story of Ould Grouse in the gun-room: I can't help laughing at that—he! he! he!—for the soul of me. We have laughed at that these twenty years—ha! ha! ha!

HARDCASTLE.
:Ha! ha! ha! The story is a good one. Well, honest Diggory, you may laugh at that—but still remember to be attentive. Suppose one of the company should call for a glass of wine, how will you behave? A glass of wine, sir, if you please [to DIGGORY].—Eh, why don't you move?

DIGGORY.
:Ecod, your worship, I never have courage till I see the eatables and drinkables brought upo' the table, and then I'm as bauld as a lion.

HARDCASTLE.
:What, will nobody move?

FIRST SERVANT.
:I'm not to leave this pleace.

SECOND SERVANT.
:I'm sure it's no pleace of mine.

THIRD SERVANT.
:Nor mine, for sartain.

DIGGORY.
:Wauns, and I'm sure it canna be mine.

HARDCASTLE.
:You numskulls! and so while, like your betters, you are quarrelling for places, the guests must be starved. O you dunces! I find I must begin all over again——But don't I hear a coach drive into the yard? To your posts, you blockheads. I'll go in the mean time and give my old friend's son a hearty reception at the gate. [Exit HARDCASTLE.]

DIGGORY.
:By the elevens, my pleace is gone quite out of my head.

ROGER.
:I know that my pleace is to be everywhere.

FIRST SERVANT.
:Where the devil is mine?

SECOND SERVANT.
:My pleace is to be nowhere at all; and so I'ze go about my business. [Exeunt Servants, running about as if frightened, different ways.]

[Enter Servant with candles, showing in MARLOW and HASTINGS.]

SERVANT.
:Welcome, gentlemen, very welcome! This way.

HASTINGS.
:After the disappointments of the day, welcome once more, Charles, to the comforts of a clean room and a good fire. Upon my word, a very well-looking house; antique but creditable.

MARLOW.
:The usual fate of a large mansion. Having first ruined the master by good housekeeping, it at last comes to levy contributions as an inn.

HASTINGS.
:As you say, we passengers are to be taxed to pay all these fineries. I have often seen a good sideboard, or a marble chimney-piece, though not actually put in the bill, inflame a reckoning confoundedly.

MARLOW.
:Travellers, George, must pay in all places: the only difference is, that in good inns you pay dearly for luxuries; in bad inns you are fleeced and starved.

HASTINGS.
:You have lived very much among them. In truth, I have been often surprised, that you who have seen so much of the world, with your natural good sense, and your many opportunities, could never yet acquire a requisite share of assurance.

MARLOW.
:The Englishman's malady. But tell me, George, where could I have learned that assurance you talk of? My life has been chiefly spent in a college or an inn, in seclusion from that lovely part of the creation that chiefly teach men confidence. I don't know that I was ever familiarly acquainted with a single modest woman—except my mother—But among females of another class, you know——

HASTINGS.
:Ay, among them you are impudent enough of all conscience.

MARLOW.
:They are of US, you know.

HASTINGS.
:But in the company of women of reputation I never saw such an idiot, such a trembler; you look for all the world as if you wanted an opportunity of stealing out of the room.

MARLOW.
:Why, man, that's because I do want to steal out of the room. Faith, I have often formed a resolution to break the ice, and rattle away at any rate. But I don't know how, a single glance from a pair of fine eyes has totally overset my resolution. An impudent fellow may counterfeit modesty; but I'll be hanged if a modest man can ever counterfeit impudence.

HASTINGS.
:If you could but say half the fine things to them that I have heard you lavish upon the bar-maid of an inn, or even a college bed-maker——

MARLOW.
:Why, George, I can't say fine things to them; they freeze, they petrify me. They may talk of a comet, or a burning mountain, or some such bagatelle; but, to me, a modest woman, drest out in all her finery, is the most tremendous object of the whole creation.

HASTINGS.
:Ha! ha! ha! At this rate, man, how can you ever expect to marry?

MARLOW.
:Never; unless, as among kings and princes, my bride were to be courted by proxy. If, indeed, like an Eastern bridegroom, one were to be introduced to a wife he never saw before, it might be endured. But to go through all the terrors of a formal courtship, together with the episode of aunts, grandmothers, and cousins, and at last to blurt out the broad staring question of, Madam, will you marry me? No, no, that's a strain much above me, I assure you.

HASTINGS.
:I pity you. But how do you intend behaving to the lady you are come down to visit at the request of your father?

MARLOW.
:As I behave to all other ladies. Bow very low, answer yes or no to all her demands—But for the rest, I don't think I shall venture to look in her face till I see my father's again.

HASTINGS.
:I'm surprised that one who is so warm a friend can be so cool a lover.

MARLOW.
:To be explicit, my dear Hastings, my chief inducement down was to be instrumental in forwarding your happiness, not my own. Miss Neville loves you, the family don't know you; as my friend you are sure of a reception, and let honour do the rest.

HASTINGS.
:My dear Marlow! But I'll suppress the emotion. Were I a wretch, meanly seeking to carry off a fortune, you should be the last man in the world I would apply to for assistance. But Miss Neville's person is all I ask, and that is mine, both from her deceased father's consent, and her own inclination.

MARLOW.
:Happy man! You have talents and art to captivate any woman. I'm doom'd to adore the sex, and yet to converse with the only part of it I despise. This stammer in my address, and this awkward prepossessing visage of mine, can never permit me to soar above the reach of a milliner's 'prentice, or one of the duchesses of Drury-lane. Pshaw! this fellow here to interrupt us.

[Enter HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Gentlemen, once more you are heartily welcome. Which is Mr. Marlow? Sir, you are heartily welcome. It's not my way, you see, to receive my friends with my back to the fire. I like give them a hearty reception in the old style at my gate. I like to see their horses and trunks taken care of.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] He has got our names from the servants already. [To him.] We approve your caution and hospitality, sir. [To HASTINGS.] I have been thinking, George, of changing our travelling dresses in the morning. I am grown confoundedly ashamed of mine.

HARDCASTLE.
:I beg, Mr. Marlow, you'll use no ceremony in this house.

HASTINGS.
:I fancy, Charles, you're right: the first blow is half the battle. I intend opening the campaign with the white and gold.

HARDCASTLE.
:Mr. Marlow—Mr. Hastings—gentlemen—pray be under no constraint in this house. This is Liberty-hall, gentlemen. You may do just as you please here.

MARLOW.
:Yet, George, if we open the campaign too fiercely at first, we may want ammunition before it is over. I think to reserve the embroidery to secure a retreat.

HARDCASTLE.
:Your talking of a retreat, Mr. Marlow, puts me in mind of the Duke of Marlborough, when we went to besiege Denain. He first summoned the garrison——

MARLOW.
:Don't you think the ventre d'or waistcoat will do with the plain brown?

HARDCASTLE.
:He first summoned the garrison, which might consist of about five thousand men——

HASTINGS.
:I think not: brown and yellow mix but very poorly.

HARDCASTLE.
:I say, gentlemen, as I was telling you, be summoned the garrison, which might consist of about five thousand men——

MARLOW.
:The girls like finery.

HARDCASTLE.
:Which might consist of about five thousand men, well appointed with stores, ammunition, and other implements of war. Now, says the Duke of Marlborough to George Brooks, that stood next to him—you must have heard of George Brooks—I'll pawn my dukedom, says he, but I take that garrison without spilling a drop of blood. So——

MARLOW.
:What, my good friend, if you gave us a glass of punch in the mean time; it would help us to carry on the siege with vigour.

HARDCASTLE.
:Punch, sir! [Aside.] This is the most unaccountable kind of modesty I ever met with.

MARLOW.
:Yes, sir, punch. A glass of warm punch, after our journey, will be comfortable. This is Liberty-hall, you know.

HARDCASTLE.
:Here's a cup, sir.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] So this fellow, in his Liberty-hall, will only let us have just what he pleases.

HARDCASTLE.
:[Taking the cup.] I hope you'll find it to your mind. I have prepared it with my own hands, and I believe you'll own the ingredients are tolerable. Will you be so good as to pledge me, sir? Here, Mr. Marlow, here is to our better acquaintance. [Drinks.]

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] A very impudent fellow this! but he's a character, and I'll humour him a little. Sir, my service to you. [Drinks.]

HASTINGS.
:[Aside.] I see this fellow wants to give us his company, and forgets that he's an innkeeper, before he has learned to be a gentleman.

MARLOW.
:From the excellence of your cup, my old friend, I suppose you have a good deal of business in this part of the country. Warm work, now and then, at elections, I suppose.

HARDCASTLE.
:No, sir, I have long given that work over. Since our betters have hit upon the expedient of electing each other, there is no business &quot;for us that sell ale.&quot;

HASTINGS.
:So, then, you have no turn for politics, I find.

HARDCASTLE.
:Not in the least. There was a time, indeed, I fretted myself about the mistakes of government, like other people; but finding myself every day grow more angry, and the government growing no better, I left it to mend itself. Since that, I no more trouble my head about Hyder Ally, or Ally Cawn, than about Ally Croker. Sir, my service to you.

HASTINGS.
:So that with eating above stairs, and drinking below, with receiving your friends within, and amusing them without, you lead a good pleasant bustling life of it.

HARDCASTLE.
:I do stir about a great deal, that's certain. Half the differences of the parish are adjusted in this very parlour.

MARLOW.
:[After drinking.] And you have an argument in your cup, old gentleman, better than any in Westminster-hall.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, young gentleman, that, and a little philosophy.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] Well, this is the first time I ever heard of an innkeeper's philosophy.

HASTINGS.
:So then, like an experienced general, you attack them on every quarter. If you find their reason manageable, you attack it with your philosophy; if you find they have no reason, you attack them with this. Here's your health, my philosopher. [Drinks.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Good, very good, thank you; ha! ha! Your generalship puts me in mind of Prince Eugene, when he fought the Turks at the battle of Belgrade. You shall hear.

MARLOW.
:Instead of the battle of Belgrade, I believe it's almost time to talk about supper. What has your philosophy got in the house for supper?

HARDCASTLE.
:For supper, sir! [Aside.] Was ever such a request to a man in his own house?

MARLOW.
:Yes, sir, supper, sir; I begin to feel an appetite. I shall make devilish work to-night in the larder, I promise you.

HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] Such a brazen dog sure never my eyes beheld. [To him.] Why, really, sir, as for supper I can't well tell. My Dorothy and the cook-maid settle these things between them. I leave these kind of things entirely to them.

MARLOW.
:You do, do you?

HARDCASTLE.
:Entirely. By the bye, I believe they are in actual consultation upon what's for supper this moment in the kitchen.

MARLOW.
:Then I beg they'll admit me as one of their privy council. It's a way I have got. When I travel, I always chose to regulate my own supper. Let the cook be called. No offence I hope, sir.

HARDCASTLE.
:O no, sir, none in the least; yet I don't know how; our Bridget, the cook-maid, is not very communicative upon these occasions. Should we send for her, she might scold us all out of the house.

HASTINGS.
:Let's see your list of the larder then. I ask it as a favour. I always match my appetite to my bill of fare.

MARLOW.
:[To HARDCASTLE, who looks at them with surprise.] Sir, he's very right, and it's my way too.

HARDCASTLE.
:Sir, you have a right to command here. Here, Roger, bring us the bill of fare for to-night's supper: I believe it's drawn out—Your manner, Mr. Hastings, puts me in mind of my uncle, Colonel Wallop. It was a saying of his, that no man was sure of his supper till he had eaten it.

HASTINGS.
:[Aside.] All upon the high rope! His uncle a colonel! we shall soon hear of his mother being a justice of the peace. But let's hear the bill of fare.

MARLOW.
:[Perusing.] What's here? For the first course; for the second course; for the dessert. The devil, sir, do you think we have brought down a whole Joiners' Company, or the corporation of Bedford, to eat up such a supper? Two or three little things, clean and comfortable, will do.

HASTINGS.
:But let's hear it.

MARLOW.
:[Reading.] For the first course, at the top, a pig and prune sauce.

HASTINGS.
:Damn your pig, I say.

MARLOW.
:And damn your prune sauce, say I.

HARDCASTLE.
:And yet, gentlemen, to men that are hungry, pig with prune sauce is very good eating.

MARLOW.
:At the bottom, a calf's tongue and brains.

HASTINGS.
:Let your brains be knocked out, my good sir, I don't like them.

MARLOW.
:Or you may clap them on a plate by themselves. I do.

HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] Their impudence confounds me. [To them.] Gentlemen, you are my guests, make what alterations you please. Is there anything else you wish to retrench or alter, gentlemen?

MARLOW.
:Item, a pork pie, a boiled rabbit and sausages, a Florentine, a shaking pudding, and a dish of tiff—taff—taffety cream.

HASTINGS.
:Confound your made dishes; I shall be as much at a loss in this house as at a green and yellow dinner at the French ambassador's table. I'm for plain eating.

HARDCASTLE.
:I'm sorry, gentlemen, that I have nothing you like, but if there be anything you have a particular fancy to——

MARLOW.
:Why, really, sir, your bill of fare is so exquisite, that any one part of it is full as good as another. Send us what you please. So much for supper. And now to see that our beds are aired, and properly taken care of.

HARDCASTLE.
:I entreat you'll leave that to me. You shall not stir a step.

MARLOW.
:Leave that to you! I protest, sir, you must excuse me, I always look to these things myself.

HARDCASTLE.
:I must insist, sir, you'll make yourself easy on that head.

MARLOW.
:You see I'm resolved on it. [Aside.] A very troublesome fellow this, as I ever met with.

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, sir, I'm resolved at least to attend you. [Aside.] This may be modern modesty, but I never saw anything look so like old-fashioned impudence. [Exeunt MARLOW and HARDCASTLE.]

HASTINGS.
:[Alone.] So I find this fellow's civilities begin to grow troublesome. But who can be angry at those assiduities which are meant to please him? Ha! what do I see? Miss Neville, by all that's happy!

[Enter MISS NEVILLE.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:My dear Hastings! To what unexpected good fortune, to what accident, am I to ascribe this happy meeting?

HASTINGS.
:Rather let me ask the same question, as I could never have hoped to meet my dearest Constance at an inn.

MISS NEVILLE.
:An inn! sure you mistake: my aunt, my guardian, lives here. What could induce you to think this house an inn?

HASTINGS.
:My friend, Mr. Marlow, with whom I came down, and I, have been sent here as to an inn, I assure you. A young fellow, whom we accidentally met at a house hard by, directed us hither.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Certainly it must be one of my hopeful cousin's tricks, of whom you have heard me talk so often; ha! ha! ha!

HASTINGS.
:He whom your aunt intends for you? he of whom I have such just apprehensions?

MISS NEVILLE.
:You have nothing to fear from him, I assure you. You'd adore him, if you knew how heartily he despises me. My aunt knows it too, and has undertaken to court me for him, and actually begins to think she has made a conquest.

HASTINGS.
:Thou dear dissembler! You must know, my Constance, I have just seized this happy opportunity of my friend's visit here to get admittance into the family. The horses that carried us down are now fatigued with their journey, but they'll soon be refreshed; and then, if my dearest girl will trust in her faithful Hastings, we shall soon be landed in France, where even among slaves the laws of marriage are respected.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I have often told you, that though ready to obey you, I yet should leave my little fortune behind with reluctance. The greatest part of it was left me by my uncle, the India director, and chiefly consists in jewels. I have been for some time persuading my aunt to let me wear them. I fancy I'm very near succeeding. The instant they are put into my possession, you shall find me ready to make them and myself yours.

HASTINGS.
:Perish the baubles! Your person is all I desire. In the mean time, my friend Marlow must not be let into his mistake. I know the strange reserve of his temper is such, that if abruptly informed of it, he would instantly quit the house before our plan was ripe for execution.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But how shall we keep him in the deception? Miss Hardcastle is just returned from walking; what if we still continue to deceive him?——This, this way——[They confer.]

[Enter MARLOW.]

MARLOW.
:The assiduities of these good people teaze me beyond bearing. My host seems to think it ill manners to leave me alone, and so he claps not only himself, but his old-fashioned wife, on my back. They talk of coming to sup with us too; and then, I suppose, we are to run the gantlet through all the rest of the family.—What have we got here?

HASTINGS.
:My dear Charles! Let me congratulate you!—The most fortunate accident!—Who do you think is just alighted?

MARLOW.
:Cannot guess.

HASTINGS.
:Our mistresses, boy, Miss Hardcastle and Miss Neville. Give me leave to introduce Miss Constance Neville to your acquaintance. Happening to dine in the neighbourhood, they called on their return to take fresh horses here. Miss Hardcastle has just stept into the next room, and will be back in an instant. Wasn't it lucky? eh!

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] I have been mortified enough of all conscience, and here comes something to complete my embarrassment.

HASTINGS.
:Well, but wasn't it the most fortunate thing in the world?

MARLOW.
:Oh! yes. Very fortunate—a most joyful encounter—But our dresses, George, you know are in disorder—What if we should postpone the happiness till to-morrow?—To-morrow at her own house—It will be every bit as convenient—and rather more respectful—To-morrow let it be. [Offering to go.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:By no means, sir. Your ceremony will displease her. The disorder of your dress will show the ardour of your impatience. Besides, she knows you are in the house, and will permit you to see her.

MARLOW.
:O! the devil! how shall I support it? Hem! hem! Hastings, you must not go. You are to assist me, you know. I shall be confoundedly ridiculous. Yet, hang it! I'll take courage. Hem!

HASTINGS.
:Pshaw, man! it's but the first plunge, and all's over. She's but a woman, you know.

MARLOW.
:And, of all women, she that I dread most to encounter.

[Enter MISS HARDCASTLE, as returned from walking, a bonnet, etc.]

HASTINGS.
:[Introducing them.] Miss Hardcastle, Mr. Marlow. I'm proud of bringing two persons of such merit together, that only want to know, to esteem each other.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] Now for meeting my modest gentleman with a demure face, and quite in his own manner. [After a pause, in which he appears very uneasy and disconcerted.] I'm glad of your safe arrival, sir. I'm told you had some accidents by the way.

MARLOW.
:Only a few, madam. Yes, we had some. Yes, madam, a good many accidents, but should be sorry—madam—or rather glad of any accidents—that are so agreeably concluded. Hem!

HASTINGS.
:[To him.] You never spoke better in your whole life. Keep it up, and I'll insure you the victory.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I'm afraid you flatter, sir. You that have seen so much of the finest company, can find little entertainment in an obscure corner of the country.

MARLOW.
:[Gathering courage.] I have lived, indeed, in the world, madam; but I have kept very little company. I have been but an observer upon life, madam, while others were enjoying it.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But that, I am told, is the way to enjoy it at last.

HASTINGS.
:[To him.] Cicero never spoke better. Once more, and you are confirmed in assurance for ever.

MARLOW.
:[To him.] Hem! Stand by me, then, and when I'm down, throw in a word or two, to set me up again.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:An observer, like you, upon life were, I fear, disagreeably employed, since you must have had much more to censure than to approve.

MARLOW.
:Pardon me, madam. I was always willing to be amused. The folly of most people is rather an object of mirth than uneasiness.

HASTINGS.
:[To him.] Bravo, bravo. Never spoke so well in your whole life. Well, Miss Hardcastle, I see that you and Mr. Marlow are going to be very good company. I believe our being here will but embarrass the interview.

MARLOW.
:Not in the least, Mr. Hastings. We like your company of all things. [To him.] Zounds! George, sure you won't go? how can you leave us?

HASTINGS.
:Our presence will but spoil conversation, so we'll retire to the next room. [To him.] You don't consider, man, that we are to manage a little tete-a-tete of our own. [Exeunt.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[after a pause]. But you have not been wholly an observer, I presume, sir: the ladies, I should hope, have employed some part of your addresses.

MARLOW.
:[Relapsing into timidity.] Pardon me, madam, I—I—I—as yet have studied—only—to—deserve them.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And that, some say, is the very worst way to obtain them.

MARLOW.
:Perhaps so, madam. But I love to converse only with the more grave and sensible part of the sex. But I'm afraid I grow tiresome.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Not at all, sir; there is nothing I like so much as grave conversation myself; I could hear it for ever. Indeed, I have often been surprised how a man of sentiment could ever admire those light airy pleasures, where nothing reaches the heart.

MARLOW.
:It's——a disease——of the mind, madam. In the variety of tastes there must be some who, wanting a relish——for——um—a—um.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I understand you, sir. There must be some, who, wanting a relish for refined pleasures, pretend to despise what they are incapable of tasting.

MARLOW.
:My meaning, madam, but infinitely better expressed. And I can't help observing——a——

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] Who could ever suppose this fellow impudent upon some occasions? [To him.] You were going to observe, sir——

MARLOW.
:I was observing, madam—I protest, madam, I forget what I was going to observe.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] I vow and so do I. [To him.] You were observing, sir, that in this age of hypocrisy—something about hypocrisy, sir.

MARLOW.
:Yes, madam. In this age of hypocrisy there are few who upon strict inquiry do not—a—a—a—

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I understand you perfectly, sir.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] Egad! and that's more than I do myself.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:You mean that in this hypocritical age there are few that do not condemn in public what they practise in private, and think they pay every debt to virtue when they praise it.

MARLOW.
:True, madam; those who have most virtue in their mouths, have least of it in their bosoms. But I'm sure I tire you, madam.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Not in the least, sir; there's something so agreeable and spirited in your manner, such life and force—pray, sir, go on.

MARLOW.
:Yes, madam. I was saying——that there are some occasions, when a total want of courage, madam, destroys all the——and puts us——upon a—a—a—

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I agree with you entirely; a want of courage upon some occasions assumes the appearance of ignorance, and betrays us when we most want to excel. I beg you'll proceed.

MARLOW.
:Yes, madam. Morally speaking, madam—But I see Miss Neville expecting us in the next room. I would not intrude for the world.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I protest, sir, I never was more agreeably entertained in all my life. Pray go on.

MARLOW.
:Yes, madam, I was——But she beckons us to join her. Madam, shall I do myself the honour to attend you?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Well, then, I'll follow.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] This pretty smooth dialogue has done for me. [Exit.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Alone.] Ha! ha! ha! Was there ever such a sober, sentimental interview? I'm certain he scarce looked in my face the whole time. Yet the fellow, but for his unaccountable bashfulness, is pretty well too. He has good sense, but then so buried in his fears, that it fatigues one more than ignorance. If I could teach him a little confidence, it would be doing somebody that I know of a piece of service. But who is that somebody?—That, faith, is a question I can scarce answer. [Exit.]

[Enter TONY and MISS NEVILLE, followed by MRS. HARDCASTLE and HASTINGS.]

TONY.
:What do you follow me for, cousin Con? I wonder you're not ashamed to be so very engaging.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I hope, cousin, one may speak to one's own relations, and not be to blame.

TONY.
:Ay, but I know what sort of a relation you want to make me, though; but it won't do. I tell you, cousin Con, it won't do; so I beg you'll keep your distance, I want no nearer relationship. [She follows, coquetting him to the back scene.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Well! I vow, Mr. Hastings, you are very entertaining. There's nothing in the world I love to talk of so much as London, and the fashions, though I was never there myself.

HASTINGS.
:Never there! You amaze me! From your air and manner, I concluded you had been bred all your life either at Ranelagh, St. James's, or Tower Wharf.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:O! sir, you're only pleased to say so. We country persons can have no manner at all. I'm in love with the town, and that serves to raise me above some of our neighbouring rustics; but who can have a manner, that has never seen the Pantheon, the Grotto Gardens, the Borough, and such places where the nobility chiefly resort? All I can do is to enjoy London at second-hand. I take care to know every tete-a-tete from the Scandalous Magazine, and have all the fashions, as they come out, in a letter from the two Miss Rickets of Crooked Lane. Pray how do you like this head, Mr. Hastings?

HASTINGS.
:Extremely elegant and degagee, upon my word, madam. Your friseur is a Frenchman, I suppose?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I protest, I dressed it myself from a print in the Ladies' Memorandum-book for the last year.

HASTINGS.
:Indeed! Such a head in a side-box at the play-house would draw as many gazers as my Lady Mayoress at a City Ball.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I vow, since inoculation began, there is no such thing to be seen as a plain woman; so one must dress a little particular, or one may escape in the crowd.

HASTINGS.
:But that can never be your case, madam, in any dress. [Bowing.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Yet, what signifies my dressing when I have such a piece of antiquity by my side as Mr. Hardcastle: all I can say will never argue down a single button from his clothes. I have often wanted him to throw off his great flaxen wig, and where he was bald, to plaster it over, like my Lord Pately, with powder.

HASTINGS.
:You are right, madam; for, as among the ladies there are none ugly, so among the men there are none old.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:But what do you think his answer was? Why, with his usual Gothic vivacity, he said I only wanted him to throw off his wig, to convert it into a tete for my own wearing.

HASTINGS.
:Intolerable! At your age you may wear what you please, and it must become you.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Pray, Mr. Hastings, what do you take to be the most fashionable age about town?

HASTINGS.
:Some time ago, forty was all the mode; but I'm told the ladies intend to bring up fifty for the ensuing winter.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Seriously. Then I shall be too young for the fashion.

HASTINGS.
:No lady begins now to put on jewels till she's past forty. For instance, Miss there, in a polite circle, would be considered as a child, as a mere maker of samplers.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:And yet Mrs. Niece thinks herself as much a woman, and is as fond of jewels, as the oldest of us all.

HASTINGS.
:Your niece, is she? And that young gentleman, a brother of yours, I should presume?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:My son, sir. They are contracted to each other. Observe their little sports. They fall in and out ten times a day, as if they were man and wife already. [To them.] Well, Tony, child, what soft things are you saying to your cousin Constance this evening?

TONY.
:I have been saying no soft things; but that it's very hard to be followed about so. Ecod! I've not a place in the house now that's left to myself, but the stable.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Never mind him, Con, my dear. He's in another story behind your back.

MISS NEVILLE.
:There's something generous in my cousin's manner. He falls out before faces to be forgiven in private.

TONY.
:That's a damned confounded—crack.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ah! he's a sly one. Don't you think they are like each other about the mouth, Mr. Hastings? The Blenkinsop mouth to a T. They're of a size too. Back to back, my pretties, that Mr. Hastings may see you. Come, Tony.

TONY.
:You had as good not make me, I tell you. [Measuring.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:O lud! he has almost cracked my head.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:O, the monster! For shame, Tony. You a man, and behave so!

TONY.
:If I'm a man, let me have my fortin. Ecod! I'll not be made a fool of no longer.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Is this, ungrateful boy, all that I'm to get for the pains I have taken in your education? I that have rocked you in your cradle, and fed that pretty mouth with a spoon! Did not I work that waistcoat to make you genteel? Did not I prescribe for you every day, and weep while the receipt was operating?

TONY.
:Ecod! you had reason to weep, for you have been dosing me ever since I was born. I have gone through every receipt in the Complete Huswife ten times over; and you have thoughts of coursing me through Quincy next spring. But, ecod! I tell you, I'll not be made a fool of no longer.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Wasn't it all for your good, viper? Wasn't it all for your good?

TONY.
:I wish you'd let me and my good alone, then. Snubbing this way when I'm in spirits. If I'm to have any good, let it come of itself; not to keep dinging it, dinging it into one so.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:That's false; I never see you when you're in spirits. No, Tony, you then go to the alehouse or kennel. I'm never to be delighted with your agreeable wild notes, unfeeling monster!

TONY.
:Ecod! mamma, your own notes are the wildest of the two.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Was ever the like? But I see he wants to break my heart, I see he does.

HASTINGS.
:Dear madam, permit me to lecture the young gentleman a little. I'm certain I can persuade him to his duty.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Well, I must retire. Come, Constance, my love. You see, Mr. Hastings, the wretchedness of my situation: was ever poor woman so plagued with a dear sweet, pretty, provoking, undutiful boy? [Exeunt MRS. HARDCASTLE and MISS NEVILLE.]

TONY.
:[Singing.] &quot;There was a young man riding by, and fain would have his will. Rang do didlo dee.&quot;——Don't mind her. Let her cry. It's the comfort of her heart. I have seen her and sister cry over a book for an hour together; and they said they liked the book the better the more it made them cry.

HASTINGS.
:Then you're no friend to the ladies, I find, my pretty young gentleman?

TONY.
:That's as I find 'um.

HASTINGS.
:Not to her of your mother's choosing, I dare answer? And yet she appears to me a pretty well-tempered girl.

TONY.
:That's because you don't know her as well as I. Ecod! I know every inch about her; and there's not a more bitter cantankerous toad in all Christendom.

HASTINGS.
:[Aside.] Pretty encouragement this for a lover!

TONY.
:I have seen her since the height of that. She has as many tricks as a hare in a thicket, or a colt the first day's breaking.

HASTINGS.
:To me she appears sensible and silent.

TONY.
:Ay, before company. But when she's with her playmate, she's as loud as a hog in a gate.

HASTINGS.
:But there is a meek modesty about her that charms me.

TONY.
:Yes, but curb her never so little, she kicks up, and you're flung in a ditch.

HASTINGS.
:Well, but you must allow her a little beauty.—Yes, you must allow her some beauty.

TONY.
:Bandbox! She's all a made-up thing, mun. Ah! could you but see Bet Bouncer of these parts, you might then talk of beauty. Ecod, she has two eyes as black as sloes, and cheeks as broad and red as a pulpit cushion. She'd make two of she.

HASTINGS.
:Well, what say you to a friend that would take this bitter bargain off your hands?

TONY.
:Anon.

HASTINGS.
:Would you thank him that would take Miss Neville, and leave you to happiness and your dear Betsy?

TONY.
:Ay; but where is there such a friend, for who would take her?

HASTINGS.
:I am he. If you but assist me, I'll engage to whip her off to France, and you shall never hear more of her.

TONY.
:Assist you! Ecod I will, to the last drop of my blood. I'll clap a pair of horses to your chaise that shall trundle you off in a twinkling, and may he get you a part of her fortin beside, in jewels, that you little dream of.

HASTINGS.
:My dear 'squire, this looks like a lad of spirit.

TONY.
:Come along, then, and you shall see more of my spirit before you have done with me.

[Singing.] &quot;We are the boys That fears no noise Where the thundering cannons roar.&quot; [Exeunt.]

==ACT THE THIRD.==

[Enter HARDCASTLE, alone.]

HARDCASTLE.
:What could my old friend Sir Charles mean by recommending his son as the modestest young man in town? To me he appears the most impudent piece of brass that ever spoke with a tongue. He has taken possession of the easy chair by the fire-side already. He took off his boots in the parlour, and desired me to see them taken care of. I'm desirous to know how his impudence affects my daughter. She will certainly be shocked at it.

[Enter MISS HARDCASTLE, plainly dressed.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, my Kate, I see you have changed your dress, as I bade you; and yet, I believe, there was no great occasion.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I find such a pleasure, sir, in obeying your commands, that I take care to observe them without ever debating their propriety.

HARDCASTLE.
:And yet, Kate, I sometimes give you some cause, particularly when I recommended my modest gentleman to you as a lover to-day.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:You taught me to expect something extraordinary, and I find the original exceeds the description.

HARDCASTLE.
:I was never so surprised in my life! He has quite confounded all my faculties!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I never saw anything like it: and a man of the world too!

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, he learned it all abroad—what a fool was I, to think a young man could learn modesty by travelling. He might as soon learn wit at a masquerade.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:It seems all natural to him.

HARDCASTLE.
:A good deal assisted by bad company and a French dancing-master.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Sure you mistake, papa! A French dancing-master could never have taught him that timid look—that awkward address—that bashful manner—

HARDCASTLE.
:Whose look? whose manner, child?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Mr. Marlow's: his mauvaise honte, his timidity, struck me at the first sight.

HARDCASTLE.
:Then your first sight deceived you; for I think him one of the most brazen first sights that ever astonished my senses.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Sure, sir, you rally! I never saw any one so modest.

HARDCASTLE.
:And can you be serious? I never saw such a bouncing, swaggering puppy since I was born. Bully Dawson was but a fool to him.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Surprising! He met me with a respectful bow, a stammering voice, and a look fixed on the ground.

HARDCASTLE.
:He met me with a loud voice, a lordly air, and a familiarity that made my blood freeze again.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:He treated me with diffidence and respect; censured the manners of the age; admired the prudence of girls that never laughed; tired me with apologies for being tiresome; then left the room with a bow, and &quot;Madam, I would not for the world detain you.&quot;

HARDCASTLE.
:He spoke to me as if he knew me all his life before; asked twenty questions, and never waited for an answer; interrupted my best remarks with some silly pun; and when I was in my best story of the Duke of Marlborough and Prince Eugene, he asked if I had not a good hand at making punch. Yes, Kate, he asked your father if he was a maker of punch!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:One of us must certainly be mistaken.

HARDCASTLE.
:If he be what he has shown himself, I'm determined he shall never have my consent.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And if he be the sullen thing I take him, he shall never have mine.

HARDCASTLE.
:In one thing then we are agreed—to reject him.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Yes: but upon conditions. For if you should find him less impudent, and I more presuming—if you find him more respectful, and I more importunate—I don't know—the fellow is well enough for a man—Certainly, we don't meet many such at a horse-race in the country.

HARDCASTLE.
:If we should find him so——But that's impossible. The first appearance has done my business. I'm seldom deceived in that.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And yet there may be many good qualities under that first appearance.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, when a girl finds a fellow's outside to her taste, she then sets about guessing the rest of his furniture. With her, a smooth face stands for good sense, and a genteel figure for every virtue.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I hope, sir, a conversation begun with a compliment to my good sense, won't end with a sneer at my understanding?

HARDCASTLE.
:Pardon me, Kate. But if young Mr. Brazen can find the art of reconciling contradictions, he may please us both, perhaps.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And as one of us must be mistaken, what if we go to make further discoveries?

HARDCASTLE.
:Agreed. But depend on't I'm in the right.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And depend on't I'm not much in the wrong. [Exeunt.]

[Enter Tony, running in with a casket.]

TONY.
:Ecod! I have got them. Here they are. My cousin Con's necklaces, bobs and all. My mother shan't cheat the poor souls out of their fortin neither. O! my genus, is that you?

[Enter HASTINGS.]

HASTINGS.
:My dear friend, how have you managed with your mother? I hope you have amused her with pretending love for your cousin, and that you are willing to be reconciled at last? Our horses will be refreshed in a short time, and we shall soon be ready to set off.

TONY.
:And here's something to bear your charges by the way [giving the casket]; your sweetheart's jewels. Keep them: and hang those, I say, that would rob you of one of them.

HASTINGS.
:But how have you procured them from your mother?

TONY.
:Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no fibs. I procured them by the rule of thumb. If I had not a key to every drawer in mother's bureau, how could I go to the alehouse so often as I do? An honest man may rob himself of his own at any time.

HASTINGS.
:Thousands do it every day. But to be plain with you; Miss Neville is endeavouring to procure them from her aunt this very instant. If she succeeds, it will be the most delicate way at least of obtaining them.

TONY.
:Well, keep them, till you know how it will be. But I know how it will be well enough; she'd as soon part with the only sound tooth in her head.

HASTINGS.
:But I dread the effects of her resentment, when she finds she has lost them.

TONY.
:Never you mind her resentment, leave ME to manage that. I don't value her resentment the bounce of a cracker. Zounds! here they are. Morrice! Prance! [Exit HASTINGS.]

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE and MISS NEVILLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Indeed, Constance, you amaze me. Such a girl as you want jewels! It will be time enough for jewels, my dear, twenty years hence, when your beauty begins to want repairs.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But what will repair beauty at forty, will certainly improve it at twenty, madam.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Yours, my dear, can admit of none. That natural blush is beyond a thousand ornaments. Besides, child, jewels are quite out at present. Don't you see half the ladies of our acquaintance, my Lady Kill-daylight, and Mrs. Crump, and the rest of them, carry their jewels to town, and bring nothing but paste and marcasites back.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But who knows, madam, but somebody that shall be nameless would like me best with all my little finery about me?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Consult your glass, my dear, and then see if, with such a pair of eyes, you want any better sparklers. What do you think, Tony, my dear? does your cousin Con. want any jewels in your eyes to set off her beauty?

TONY.
:That's as thereafter may be.

MISS NEVILLE.
:My dear aunt, if you knew how it would oblige me.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:A parcel of old-fashioned rose and table-cut things. They would make you look like the court of King Solomon at a puppet-show. Besides, I believe, I can't readily come at them. They may be missing, for aught I know to the contrary.

TONY.
:[Apart to MRS. HARDCASTLE.] Then why don't you tell her so at once, as she's so longing for them? Tell her they're lost. It's the only way to quiet her. Say they're lost, and call me to bear witness.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Apart to TONY.] You know, my dear, I'm only keeping them for you. So if I say they're gone, you'll bear me witness, will you? He! he! he!

TONY.
:Never fear me. Ecod! I'll say I saw them taken out with my own eyes.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I desire them but for a day, madam. Just to be permitted to show them as relics, and then they may be locked up again.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:To be plain with you, my dear Constance, if I could find them you should have them. They're missing, I assure you. Lost, for aught I know; but we must have patience wherever they are.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I'll not believe it! this is but a shallow pretence to deny me. I know they are too valuable to be so slightly kept, and as you are to answer for the loss—

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Don't be alarmed, Constance. If they be lost, I must restore an equivalent. But my son knows they are missing, and not to be found.

TONY.
:That I can bear witness to. They are missing, and not to be found; I'll take my oath on't.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:You must learn resignation, my dear; for though we lose our fortune, yet we should not lose our patience. See me, how calm I am.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Ay, people are generally calm at the misfortunes of others.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Now I wonder a girl of your good sense should waste a thought upon such trumpery. We shall soon find them; and in the mean time you shall make use of my garnets till your jewels be found.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I detest garnets.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:The most becoming things in the world to set off a clear complexion. You have often seen how well they look upon me. You SHALL have them. [Exit.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:I dislike them of all things. You shan't stir.—Was ever anything so provoking, to mislay my own jewels, and force me to wear her trumpery?

TONY.
:Don't be a fool. If she gives you the garnets, take what you can get. The jewels are your own already. I have stolen them out of her bureau, and she does not know it. Fly to your spark, he'll tell you more of the matter. Leave me to manage her.

MISS NEVILLE.
:My dear cousin!

TONY.
:Vanish. She's here, and has missed them already. [Exit MISS NEVILLE.] Zounds! how she fidgets and spits about like a Catherine wheel.

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Confusion! thieves! robbers! we are cheated, plundered, broke open, undone.

TONY.
:What's the matter, what's the matter, mamma? I hope nothing has happened to any of the good family!

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:We are robbed. My bureau has been broken open, the jewels taken out, and I'm undone.

TONY.
:Oh! is that all? Ha! ha! ha! By the laws, I never saw it acted better in my life. Ecod, I thought you was ruined in earnest, ha! ha! ha!

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Why, boy, I AM ruined in earnest. My bureau has been broken open, and all taken away.

TONY.
:Stick to that: ha! ha! ha! stick to that. I'll bear witness, you know; call me to bear witness.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I tell you, Tony, by all that's precious, the jewels are gone, and I shall be ruined for ever.

TONY.
:Sure I know they're gone, and I'm to say so.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:My dearest Tony, but hear me. They're gone, I say.

TONY.
:By the laws, mamma, you make me for to laugh, ha! ha! I know who took them well enough, ha! ha! ha!

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Was there ever such a blockhead, that can't tell the difference between jest and earnest? I tell you I'm not in jest, booby.

TONY.
:That's right, that's right; you must be in a bitter passion, and then nobody will suspect either of us. I'll bear witness that they are gone.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Was there ever such a cross-grained brute, that won't hear me? Can you bear witness that you're no better than a fool? Was ever poor woman so beset with fools on one hand, and thieves on the other?

TONY.
:I can bear witness to that.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Bear witness again, you blockhead you, and I'll turn you out of the room directly. My poor niece, what will become of her? Do you laugh, you unfeeling brute, as if you enjoyed my distress?

TONY.
:I can bear witness to that.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Do you insult me, monster? I'll teach you to vex your mother, I will.

TONY.
:I can bear witness to that. [He runs off, she follows him.]

[Enter Miss HARDCASTLE and Maid.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:What an unaccountable creature is that brother of mine, to send them to the house as an inn! ha! ha! I don't wonder at his impudence.

MAID.
:But what is more, madam, the young gentleman, as you passed by in your present dress, asked me if you were the bar-maid. He mistook you for the bar-maid, madam.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Did he? Then as I live, I'm resolved to keep up the delusion. Tell me, Pimple, how do you like my present dress? Don't you think I look something like Cherry in the Beaux Stratagem?

MAID.
:It's the dress, madam, that every lady wears in the country, but when she visits or receives company.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And are you sure he does not remember my face or person?

MAID.
:Certain of it.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I vow, I thought so; for, though we spoke for some time together, yet his fears were such, that he never once looked up during the interview. Indeed, if he had, my bonnet would have kept him from seeing me.

MAID.
:But what do you hope from keeping him in his mistake?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:In the first place I shall be seen, and that is no small advantage to a girl who brings her face to market. Then I shall perhaps make an acquaintance, and that's no small victory gained over one who never addresses any but the wildest of her sex. But my chief aim is, to take my gentleman off his guard, and, like an invisible champion of romance, examine the giant's force before I offer to combat.

MAID.
:But you are sure you can act your part, and disguise your voice so that he may mistake that, as he has already mistaken your person?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Never fear me. I think I have got the true bar cant—Did your honour call?—Attend the Lion there—Pipes and tobacco for the Angel.—The Lamb has been outrageous this half-hour.

MAID.
:It will do, madam. But he's here. [Exit MAID.]

[Enter MARLOW.]

MARLOW.
:What a bawling in every part of the house! I have scarce a moment's repose. If I go to the best room, there I find my host and his story: if I fly to the gallery, there we have my hostess with her curtsey down to the ground. I have at last got a moment to myself, and now for recollection. [Walks and muses.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Did you call, sir? Did your honour call?

MARLOW.
:[Musing.] As for Miss Hardcastle, she's too grave and sentimental for me.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Did your honour call? [She still places herself before him, he turning away.]

MARLOW.
:No, child. [Musing.] Besides, from the glimpse I had of her, I think she squints.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I'm sure, sir, I heard the bell ring.

MARLOW.
:No, no. [Musing.] I have pleased my father, however, by coming down, and I'll to-morrow please myself by returning. [Taking out his tablets, and perusing.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Perhaps the other gentleman called, sir?

MARLOW.
:I tell you, no.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I should be glad to know, sir. We have such a parcel of servants!

MARLOW.
:No, no, I tell you. [Looks full in her face.] Yes, child, I think I did call. I wanted—I wanted—I vow, child, you are vastly handsome.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:O la, sir, you'll make one ashamed.

MARLOW.
:Never saw a more sprightly malicious eye. Yes, yes, my dear, I did call. Have you got any of your—a—what d'ye call it in the house?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:No, sir, we have been out of that these ten days.

MARLOW.
:One may call in this house, I find, to very little purpose. Suppose I should call for a taste, just by way of a trial, of the nectar of your lips; perhaps I might be disappointed in that too.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Nectar! nectar! That's a liquor there's no call for in these parts. French, I suppose. We sell no French wines here, sir.

MARLOW.
:Of true English growth, I assure you.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Then it's odd I should not know it. We brew all sorts of wines in this house, and I have lived here these eighteen years.

MARLOW.
:Eighteen years! Why, one would think, child, you kept the bar before you were born. How old are you?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:O! sir, I must not tell my age. They say women and music should never be dated.

MARLOW.
:To guess at this distance, you can't be much above forty [approaching]. Yet, nearer, I don't think so much [approaching]. By coming close to some women they look younger still; but when we come very close indeed—[attempting to kiss her].

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Pray, sir, keep your distance. One would think you wanted to know one's age, as they do horses, by mark of mouth.

MARLOW.
:I protest, child, you use me extremely ill. If you keep me at this distance, how is it possible you and I can ever be acquainted?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And who wants to be acquainted with you? I want no such acquaintance, not I. I'm sure you did not treat Miss Hardcastle, that was here awhile ago, in this obstropalous manner. I'll warrant me, before her you looked dashed, and kept bowing to the ground, and talked, for all the world, as if you was before a justice of peace.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] Egad, she has hit it, sure enough! [To her.] In awe of her, child? Ha! ha! ha! A mere awkward squinting thing; no, no. I find you don't know me. I laughed and rallied her a little; but I was unwilling to be too severe. No, I could not be too severe, curse me!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:O! then, sir, you are a favourite, I find, among the ladies?

MARLOW.
:Yes, my dear, a great favourite. And yet hang me, I don't see what they find in me to follow. At the Ladies' Club in town I'm called their agreeable Rattle. Rattle, child, is not my real name, but one I'm known by. My name is Solomons; Mr. Solomons, my dear, at your service. [Offering to salute her.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Hold, sir; you are introducing me to your club, not to yourself. And you're so great a favourite there, you say?

MARLOW.
:Yes, my dear. There's Mrs. Mantrap, Lady Betty Blackleg, the Countess of Sligo, Mrs. Langhorns, old Miss Biddy Buckskin, and your humble servant, keep up the spirit of the place.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Then it's a very merry place, I suppose?

MARLOW.
:Yes, as merry as cards, supper, wine, and old women can make us.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And their agreeable Rattle, ha! ha! ha!

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] Egad! I don't quite like this chit. She looks knowing, methinks. You laugh, child?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I can't but laugh, to think what time they all have for minding their work or their family.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] All's well; she don't laugh at me. [To her.] Do you ever work, child?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, sure. There's not a screen or quilt in the whole house but what can bear witness to that.

MARLOW.
:Odso! then you must show me your embroidery. I embroider and draw patterns myself a little. If you want a judge of your work, you must apply to me. [Seizing her hand.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, but the colours do not look well by candlelight. You shall see all in the morning. [Struggling.]

MARLOW.
:And why not now, my angel? Such beauty fires beyond the power of resistance.—Pshaw! the father here! My old luck: I never nicked seven that I did not throw ames ace three times following. [Exit MARLOW.]

[Enter HARDCASTLE, who stands in surprise.]

HARDCASTLE.
:So, madam. So, I find THIS is your MODEST lover. This is your humble admirer, that kept his eyes fixed on the ground, and only adored at humble distance. Kate, Kate, art thou not ashamed to deceive your father so?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Never trust me, dear papa, but he's still the modest man I first took him for; you'll be convinced of it as well as I.

HARDCASTLE.
:By the hand of my body, I believe his impudence is infectious! Didn't I see him seize your hand? Didn't I see him haul you about like a milkmaid? And now you talk of his respect and his modesty, forsooth!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:But if I shortly convince you of his modesty, that he has only the faults that will pass off with time, and the virtues that will improve with age, I hope you'll forgive him.

HARDCASTLE.
:The girl would actually make one run mad! I tell you, I'll not be convinced. I am convinced. He has scarce been three hours in the house, and he has already encroached on all my prerogatives. You may like his impudence, and call it modesty; but my son-in-law, madam, must have very different qualifications.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Sir, I ask but this night to convince you.

HARDCASTLE.
:You shall not have half the time, for I have thoughts of turning him out this very hour.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Give me that hour then, and I hope to satisfy you.

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, an hour let it be then. But I'll have no trifling with your father. All fair and open, do you mind me.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I hope, sir, you have ever found that I considered your commands as my pride; for your kindness is such, that my duty as yet has been inclination. [Exeunt.]

==ACT THE FOURTH.==

[Enter HASTINGS and MISS NEVILLE.]

HASTINGS.
:You surprise me; Sir Charles Marlow expected here this night! Where have you had your information?

MISS NEVILLE.
:You may depend upon it. I just saw his letter to Mr. Hardcastle, in which he tells him he intends setting out a few hours after his son.

HASTINGS.
:Then, my Constance, all must be completed before he arrives. He knows me; and should he find me here, would discover my name, and perhaps my designs, to the rest of the family.

MISS NEVILLE.
:The jewels, I hope, are safe?

HASTINGS.
:Yes, yes, I have sent them to Marlow, who keeps the keys of our baggage. In the mean time, I'll go to prepare matters for our elopement. I have had the 'squire's promise of a fresh pair of horses; and if I should not see him again, will write him further directions. [Exit.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:Well! success attend you. In the mean time I'll go and amuse my aunt with the old pretence of a violent passion for my cousin. [Exit.]

[Enter MARLOW, followed by a Servant.]

MARLOW.
:I wonder what Hastings could mean by sending me so valuable a thing as a casket to keep for him, when he knows the only place I have is the seat of a post-coach at an inn-door. Have you deposited the casket with the landlady, as I ordered you? Have you put it into her own hands?

SERVANT.
:Yes, your honour.

MARLOW.
:She said she'd keep it safe, did she?

SERVANT.
:Yes, she said she'd keep it safe enough; she asked me how I came by it; and she said she had a great mind to make me give an account of myself. [Exit Servant.]

MARLOW.
:Ha! ha! ha! They're safe, however. What an unaccountable set of beings have we got amongst! This little bar-maid though runs in my head most strangely, and drives out the absurdities of all the rest of the family. She's mine, she must be mine, or I'm greatly mistaken.

[Enter HASTINGS.]

HASTINGS.
:Bless me! I quite forgot to tell her that I intended to prepare at the bottom of the garden. Marlow here, and in spirits too!

MARLOW.
:Give me joy, George! Crown me, shadow me with laurels! Well, George, after all, we modest fellows don't want for success among the women.

HASTINGS.
:Some women, you mean. But what success has your honour's modesty been crowned with now, that it grows so insolent upon us?

MARLOW.
:Didn't you see the tempting, brisk, lovely little thing, that runs about the house with a bunch of keys to its girdle?

HASTINGS.
:Well, and what then?

MARLOW.
:She's mine, you rogue you. Such fire, such motion, such eyes, such lips; but, egad! she would not let me kiss them though.

HASTINGS.
:But are you so sure, so very sure of her?

MARLOW.
:Why, man, she talked of showing me her work above stairs, and I am to improve the pattern.

HASTINGS.
:But how can you, Charles, go about to rob a woman of her honour?

MARLOW.
:Pshaw! pshaw! We all know the honour of the bar-maid of an inn. I don't intend to rob her, take my word for it; there's nothing in this house I shan't honestly pay for.

HASTINGS.
:I believe the girl has virtue.

MARLOW.
:And if she has, I should be the last man in the world that would attempt to corrupt it.

HASTINGS.
:You have taken care, I hope, of the casket I sent you to lock up? Is it in safety?

MARLOW.
:Yes, yes. It's safe enough. I have taken care of it. But how could you think the seat of a post-coach at an inn-door a place of safety? Ah! numskull! I have taken better precautions for you than you did for yourself——I have——

HASTINGS.
:What?

MARLOW.
:I have sent it to the landlady to keep for you.

HASTINGS.
:To the landlady!

MARLOW.
:The landlady.

HASTINGS.
:You did?

MARLOW.
:I did. She's to be answerable for its forthcoming, you know.

HASTINGS.
:Yes, she'll bring it forth with a witness.

MARLOW.
:Wasn't I right? I believe you'll allow that I acted prudently upon this occasion.

HASTINGS.
:[Aside.] He must not see my uneasiness.

MARLOW.
:You seem a little disconcerted though, methinks. Sure nothing has happened?

HASTINGS.
:No, nothing. Never was in better spirits in all my life. And so you left it with the landlady, who, no doubt, very readily undertook the charge.

MARLOW.
:Rather too readily. For she not only kept the casket, but, through her great precaution, was going to keep the messenger too. Ha! ha! ha!

HASTINGS.
:He! he! he! They're safe, however.

MARLOW.
:As a guinea in a miser's purse.

HASTINGS.
:[Aside.] So now all hopes of fortune are at an end, and we must set off without it. [To him.] Well, Charles, I'll leave you to your meditations on the pretty bar-maid, and, he! he! he! may you be as successful for yourself, as you have been for me! [Exit.]

MARLOW.
:Thank ye, George: I ask no more. Ha! ha! ha!

[Enter HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:I no longer know my own house. It's turned all topsy-turvy. His servants have got drunk already. I'll bear it no longer; and yet, from my respect for his father, I'll be calm. [To him.] Mr. Marlow, your servant. I'm your very humble servant. [Bowing low.]

MARLOW.
:Sir, your humble servant. [Aside.] What's to be the wonder now?

HARDCASTLE.
:I believe, sir, you must be sensible, sir, that no man alive ought to be more welcome than your father's son, sir. I hope you think so?

MARLOW.
:I do from my soul, sir. I don't want much entreaty. I generally make my father's son welcome wherever he goes.

HARDCASTLE.
:I believe you do, from my soul, sir. But though I say nothing to your own conduct, that of your servants is insufferable. Their manner of drinking is setting a very bad example in this house, I assure you.

MARLOW.
:I protest, my very good sir, that is no fault of mine. If they don't drink as they ought, they are to blame. I ordered them not to spare the cellar. I did, I assure you. [To the side scene.] Here, let one of my servants come up. [To him.] My positive directions were, that as I did not drink myself, they should make up for my deficiencies below.

HARDCASTLE.
:Then they had your orders for what they do? I'm satisfied!

MARLOW.
:They had, I assure you. You shall hear from one of themselves.

[Enter Servant, drunk.]

MARLOW.
:You, Jeremy! Come forward, sirrah! What were my orders? Were you not told to drink freely, and call for what you thought fit, for the good of the house?

HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] I begin to lose my patience.

JEREMY.
:Please your honour, liberty and Fleet-street for ever! Though I'm but a servant, I'm as good as another man. I'll drink for no man before supper, sir, damme! Good liquor will sit upon a good supper, but a good supper will not sit upon——hiccup——on my conscience, sir.

MARLOW.
:You see, my old friend, the fellow is as drunk as he can possibly be. I don't know what you'd have more, unless you'd have the poor devil soused in a beer-barrel.

HARDCASTLE.
:Zounds! he'll drive me distracted, if I contain myself any longer. Mr. Marlow—Sir; I have submitted to your insolence for more than four hours, and I see no likelihood of its coming to an end. I'm now resolved to be master here, sir; and I desire that you and your drunken pack may leave my house directly.

MARLOW.
:Leave your house!——Sure you jest, my good friend! What? when I'm doing what I can to please you.

HARDCASTLE.
:I tell you, sir, you don't please me; so I desire you'll leave my house.

MARLOW.
:Sure you cannot be serious? At this time o' night, and such a night? You only mean to banter me.

HARDCASTLE.
:I tell you, sir, I'm serious! and now that my passions are roused, I say this house is mine, sir; this house is mine, and I command you to leave it directly.

MARLOW.
:Ha! ha! ha! A puddle in a storm. I shan't stir a step, I assure you. [In a serious tone.] This your house, fellow! It's my house. This is my house. Mine, while I choose to stay. What right have you to bid me leave this house, sir? I never met with such impudence, curse me; never in my whole life before.

HARDCASTLE.
:Nor I, confound me if ever I did. To come to my house, to call for what he likes, to turn me out of my own chair, to insult the family, to order his servants to get drunk, and then to tell me, &quot;This house is mine, sir.&quot; By all that's impudent, it makes me laugh. Ha! ha! ha! Pray, sir [bantering], as you take the house, what think you of taking the rest of the furniture? There's a pair of silver candlesticks, and there's a fire-screen, and here's a pair of brazen-nosed bellows; perhaps you may take a fancy to them?

MARLOW.
:Bring me your bill, sir; bring me your bill, and let's make no more words about it.

HARDCASTLE.
:There are a set of prints, too. What think you of the Rake's Progress, for your own apartment?

MARLOW.
:Bring me your bill, I say; and I'll leave you and your infernal house directly.

HARDCASTLE.
:Then there's a mahogany table that you may see your own face in.

MARLOW.
:My bill, I say.

HARDCASTLE.
:I had forgot the great chair for your own particular slumbers, after a hearty meal.

MARLOW.
:Zounds! bring me my bill, I say, and let's hear no more on't.

HARDCASTLE.
:Young man, young man, from your father's letter to me, I was taught to expect a well-bred modest man as a visitor here, but now I find him no better than a coxcomb and a bully; but he will be down here presently, and shall hear more of it. [Exit.]

MARLOW.
:How's this? Sure I have not mistaken the house. Everything looks like an inn. The servants cry, coming; the attendance is awkward; the bar-maid, too, to attend us. But she's here, and will further inform me. Whither so fast, child? A word with you.

[Enter MISS HARDCASTLE.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Let it be short, then. I'm in a hurry. [Aside.] I believe be begins to find out his mistake. But it's too soon quite to undeceive him.

MARLOW.
:Pray, child, answer me one question. What are you, and what may your business in this house be?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:A relation of the family, sir.

MARLOW.
:What, a poor relation.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, sir. A poor relation, appointed to keep the keys, and to see that the guests want nothing in my power to give them.

MARLOW.
:That is, you act as the bar-maid of this inn.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Inn! O law——what brought that in your head? One of the best families in the country keep an inn—Ha! ha! ha! old Mr. Hardcastle's house an inn!

MARLOW.
:Mr. Hardcastle's house! Is this Mr. Hardcastle's house, child?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, sure! Whose else should it be?

MARLOW.
:So then, all's out, and I have been damnably imposed on. O, confound my stupid head, I shall be laughed at over the whole town. I shall be stuck up in caricatura in all the print-shops. The DULLISSIMO MACCARONI. To mistake this house of all others for an inn, and my father's old friend for an innkeeper! What a swaggering puppy must he take me for! What a silly puppy do I find myself! There again, may I be hanged, my dear, but I mistook you for the bar-maid.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Dear me! dear me! I'm sure there's nothing in my BEHAVIOUR to put me on a level with one of that stamp.

MARLOW.
:Nothing, my dear, nothing. But I was in for a list of blunders, and could not help making you a subscriber. My stupidity saw everything the wrong way. I mistook your assiduity for assurance, and your simplicity for allurement. But it's over. This house I no more show MY face in.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I hope, sir, I have done nothing to disoblige you. I'm sure I should be sorry to affront any gentleman who has been so polite, and said so many civil things to me. I'm sure I should be sorry [pretending to cry] if he left the family upon my account. I'm sure I should be sorry if people said anything amiss, since I have no fortune but my character.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] By Heaven! she weeps. This is the first mark of tenderness I ever had from a modest woman, and it touches me. [To her.] Excuse me, my lovely girl; you are the only part of the family I leave with reluctance. But to be plain with you, the difference of our birth, fortune, and education, makes an honourable connexion impossible; and I can never harbour a thought of seducing simplicity that trusted in my honour, of bringing ruin upon one whose only fault was being too lovely.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] Generous man! I now begin to admire him. [To him.] But I am sure my family is as good as Miss Hardcastle's; and though I'm poor, that's no great misfortune to a contented mind; and, until this moment, I never thought that it was bad to want fortune.

MARLOW.
:And why now, my pretty simplicity?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Because it puts me at a distance from one that, if I had a thousand pounds, I would give it all to.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] This simplicity bewitches me, so that if I stay, I'm undone. I must make one bold effort, and leave her. [To her.] Your partiality in my favour, my dear, touches me most sensibly: and were I to live for myself alone, I could easily fix my choice. But I owe too much to the opinion of the world, too much to the authority of a father; so that—I can scarcely speak it—it affects me. Farewell. [Exit.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I never knew half his merit till now. He shall not go, if I have power or art to detain him. I'll still preserve the character in which I STOOPED TO CONQUER; but will undeceive my papa, who perhaps may laugh him out of his resolution. [Exit.]

[Enter Tony and MISS NEVILLE.]

TONY.
:Ay, you may steal for yourselves the next time. I have done my duty. She has got the jewels again, that's a sure thing; but she believes it was all a mistake of the servants.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But, my dear cousin, sure you won't forsake us in this distress? If she in the least suspects that I am going off, I shall certainly be locked up, or sent to my aunt Pedigree's, which is ten times worse.

TONY.
:To be sure, aunts of all kinds are damned bad things. But what can I do? I have got you a pair of horses that will fly like Whistle-jacket; and I'm sure you can't say but I have courted you nicely before her face. Here she comes, we must court a bit or two more, for fear she should suspect us. [They retire, and seem to fondle.]

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Well, I was greatly fluttered, to be sure. But my son tells me it was all a mistake of the servants. I shan't be easy, however, till they are fairly married, and then let her keep her own fortune. But what do I see? fondling together, as I'm alive. I never saw Tony so sprightly before. Ah! have I caught you, my pretty doves? What, billing, exchanging stolen glances and broken murmurs? Ah!

TONY.
:As for murmurs, mother, we grumble a little now and then, to be sure. But there's no love lost between us.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:A mere sprinkling, Tony, upon the flame, only to make it burn brighter.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Cousin Tony promises to give us more of his company at home. Indeed, he shan't leave us any more. It won't leave us, cousin Tony, will it?

TONY.
:O! it's a pretty creature. No, I'd sooner leave my horse in a pound, than leave you when you smile upon one so. Your laugh makes you so becoming.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Agreeable cousin! Who can help admiring that natural humour, that pleasant, broad, red, thoughtless [patting his cheek]—ah! it's a bold face.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Pretty innocence!

TONY.
:I'm sure I always loved cousin Con.'s hazle eyes, and her pretty long fingers, that she twists this way and that over the haspicholls, like a parcel of bobbins.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ah! he would charm the bird from the tree. I was never so happy before. My boy takes after his father, poor Mr. Lumpkin, exactly. The jewels, my dear Con., shall be yours incontinently. You shall have them. Isn't he a sweet boy, my dear? You shall be married to-morrow, and we'll put off the rest of his education, like Dr. Drowsy's sermons, to a fitter opportunity.

[Enter DIGGORY.]

DIGGORY.
:Where's the 'squire? I have got a letter for your worship.

TONY.
:Give it to my mamma. She reads all my letters first.

DIGGORY.
:I had orders to deliver it into your own hands.

TONY.
:Who does it come from?

DIGGORY.
:Your worship mun ask that o' the letter itself.

TONY.
:I could wish to know though [turning the letter, and gazing on it].

MISS NEVILLE.
:[Aside.] Undone! undone! A letter to him from Hastings. I know the hand. If my aunt sees it, we are ruined for ever. I'll keep her employed a little if I can. [To MRS. HARDCASTLE.] But I have not told you, madam, of my cousin's smart answer just now to Mr. Marlow. We so laughed.—You must know, madam.—This way a little, for he must not hear us. [They confer.]

TONY.
:[Still gazing.] A damned cramp piece of penmanship, as ever I saw in my life. I can read your print hand very well. But here are such handles, and shanks, and dashes, that one can scarce tell the head from the tail.—&quot;To Anthony Lumpkin, Esquire.&quot; It's very odd, I can read the outside of my letters, where my own name is, well enough; but when I come to open it, it's all——buzz. That's hard, very hard; for the inside of the letter is always the cream of the correspondence.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ha! ha! ha! Very well, very well. And so my son was too hard for the philosopher.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Yes, madam; but you must hear the rest, madam. A little more this way, or he may hear us. You'll hear how he puzzled him again.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:He seems strangely puzzled now himself, methinks.

TONY.
:[Still gazing.] A damned up and down hand, as if it was disguised in liquor.—[Reading.] Dear Sir,—ay, that's that. Then there's an M, and a T, and an S, but whether the next be an izzard, or an R, confound me, I cannot tell.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:What's that, my dear? Can I give you any assistance?

MISS NEVILLE.
:Pray, aunt, let me read it. Nobody reads a cramp hand better than I. [Twitching the letter from him.] Do you know who it is from?

TONY.
:Can't tell, except from Dick Ginger, the feeder.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Ay, so it is. [Pretending to read.] Dear 'Squire, hoping that you're in health, as I am at this present. The gentlemen of the Shake-bag club has cut the gentlemen of Goose-green quite out of feather. The odds—um—odd battle—um—long fighting—um—here, here, it's all about cocks and fighting; it's of no consequence; here, put it up, put it up. [Thrusting the crumpled letter upon him.]

TONY.
:But I tell you, miss, it's of all the consequence in the world. I would not lose the rest of it for a guinea. Here, mother, do you make it out. Of no consequence! [Giving MRS. HARDCASTLE the letter.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:How's this?—[Reads.] &quot;Dear 'Squire, I'm now waiting for Miss Neville, with a post-chaise and pair, at the bottom of the garden, but I find my horses yet unable to perform the journey. I expect you'll assist us with a pair of fresh horses, as you promised. Dispatch is necessary, as the HAG [ay, the hag], your mother, will otherwise suspect us! Yours, Hastings.&quot; Grant me patience. I shall run distracted! My rage chokes me.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I hope, madam, you'll suspend your resentment for a few moments, and not impute to me any impertinence, or sinister design, that belongs to another.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Curtseying very low.] Fine spoken, madam, you are most miraculously polite and engaging, and quite the very pink of courtesy and circumspection, madam. [Changing her tone.] And you, you great ill-fashioned oaf, with scarce sense enough to keep your mouth shut: were you, too, joined against me? But I'll defeat all your plots in a moment. As for you, madam, since you have got a pair of fresh horses ready, it would be cruel to disappoint them. So, if you please, instead of running away with your spark, prepare, this very moment, to run off with ME. Your old aunt Pedigree will keep you secure, I'll warrant me. You too, sir, may mount your horse, and guard us upon the way. Here, Thomas, Roger, Diggory! I'll show you, that I wish you better than you do yourselves. [Exit.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:So now I'm completely ruined.

TONY.
:Ay, that's a sure thing.

MISS NEVILLE.
:What better could be expected from being connected with such a stupid fool,—and after all the nods and signs I made him?

TONY.
:By the laws, miss, it was your own cleverness, and not my stupidity, that did your business. You were so nice and so busy with your Shake-bags and Goose-greens, that I thought you could never be making believe.

[Enter HASTINGS.]

HASTINGS.
:So, sir, I find by my servant, that you have shown my letter, and betrayed us. Was this well done, young gentleman?

TONY.
:Here's another. Ask miss there, who betrayed you. Ecod, it was her doing, not mine.

[Enter MARLOW.]

MARLOW.
:So I have been finely used here among you. Rendered contemptible, driven into ill manners, despised, insulted, laughed at.

TONY.
:Here's another. We shall have old Bedlam broke loose presently.

MISS NEVILLE.
:And there, sir, is the gentleman to whom we all owe every obligation.

MARLOW.
:What can I say to him, a mere boy, an idiot, whose ignorance and age are a protection?

HASTINGS.
:A poor contemptible booby, that would but disgrace correction.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Yet with cunning and malice enough to make himself merry with all our embarrassments.

HASTINGS.
:An insensible cub.

MARLOW.
:Replete with tricks and mischief.

TONY.
:Baw! damme, but I'll fight you both, one after the other——with baskets.

MARLOW.
:As for him, he's below resentment. But your conduct, Mr. Hastings, requires an explanation. You knew of my mistakes, yet would not undeceive me.

HASTINGS.
:Tortured as I am with my own disappointments, is this a time for explanations? It is not friendly, Mr. Marlow.

MARLOW.
:But, sir——

MISS NEVILLE.
:Mr. Marlow, we never kept on your mistake till it was too late to undeceive you.

[Enter Servant.]

SERVANT.
:My mistress desires you'll get ready immediately, madam. The horses are putting to. Your hat and things are in the next room. We are to go thirty miles before morning. [Exit Servant.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:Well, well: I'll come presently.

MARLOW.
:[To HASTINGS.] Was it well done, sir, to assist in rendering me ridiculous? To hang me out for the scorn of all my acquaintance? Depend upon it, sir, I shall expect an explanation.

HASTINGS.
:Was it well done, sir, if you're upon that subject, to deliver what I entrusted to yourself, to the care of another sir?

MISS NEVILLE.
:Mr. Hastings! Mr. Marlow! Why will you increase my distress by this groundless dispute? I implore, I entreat you——

[Enter Servant.]

SERVANT.
:Your cloak, madam. My mistress is impatient. [Exit Servant.]

MISS NEVILLE.
:I come. Pray be pacified. If I leave you thus, I shall die with apprehension.

[Enter Servant.]

SERVANT.
:Your fan, muff, and gloves, madam. The horses are waiting.

MISS NEVILLE.
:O, Mr. Marlow! if you knew what a scene of constraint and ill-nature lies before me, I'm sure it would convert your resentment into pity.

MARLOW.
:I'm so distracted with a variety of passions, that I don't know what I do. Forgive me, madam. George, forgive me. You know my hasty temper, and should not exasperate it.

HASTINGS.
:The torture of my situation is my only excuse.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Well, my dear Hastings, if you have that esteem for me that I think, that I am sure you have, your constancy for three years will but increase the happiness of our future connexion. If——

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Within.] Miss Neville. Constance, why Constance, I say.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I'm coming. Well, constancy, remember, constancy is the word. [Exit.]

HASTINGS.
:My heart! how can I support this? To be so near happiness, and such happiness!

MARLOW.
:[To Tony.] You see now, young gentleman, the effects of your folly. What might be amusement to you, is here disappointment, and even distress.

TONY.
:[From a reverie.] Ecod, I have hit it. It's here. Your hands. Yours and yours, my poor Sulky!—My boots there, ho!—Meet me two hours hence at the bottom of the garden; and if you don't find Tony Lumpkin a more good-natured fellow than you thought for, I'll give you leave to take my best horse, and Bet Bouncer into the bargain. Come along. My boots, ho! [Exeunt.]

==ACT THE FIFTH.==

[SCENE continued.]

[Enter HASTINGS and Servant.]

HASTINGS.
:You saw the old lady and Miss Neville drive off, you say?

SERVANT.
:Yes, your honour. They went off in a post-coach, and the young 'squire went on horseback. They're thirty miles off by this time.

HASTINGS.
:Then all my hopes are over.

SERVANT.
:Yes, sir. Old Sir Charles has arrived. He and the old gentleman of the house have been laughing at Mr. Marlow's mistake this half hour. They are coming this way.

HASTINGS.
:Then I must not be seen. So now to my fruitless appointment at the bottom of the garden. This is about the time. [Exit.]

[Enter SIR CHARLES and HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Ha! ha! ha! The peremptory tone in which he sent forth his sublime commands!

SIR CHARLES.
:And the reserve with which I suppose he treated all your advances.

HARDCASTLE.
:And yet he might have seen something in me above a common innkeeper, too.

SIR CHARLES.
:Yes, Dick, but he mistook you for an uncommon innkeeper, ha! ha! ha!

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, I'm in too good spirits to think of anything but joy. Yes, my dear friend, this union of our families will make our personal friendships hereditary; and though my daughter's fortune is but small—

SIR CHARLES.
:Why, Dick, will you talk of fortune to ME? My son is possessed of more than a competence already, and can want nothing but a good and virtuous girl to share his happiness and increase it. If they like each other, as you say they do—

HARDCASTLE.
:IF, man! I tell you they DO like each other. My daughter as good as told me so.

SIR CHARLES.
:But girls are apt to flatter themselves, you know.

HARDCASTLE.
:I saw him grasp her hand in the warmest manner myself; and here he comes to put you out of your IFS, I warrant him.

[Enter MARLOW.]

MARLOW.
:I come, sir, once more, to ask pardon for my strange conduct. I can scarce reflect on my insolence without confusion.

HARDCASTLE.
:Tut, boy, a trifle! You take it too gravely. An hour or two's laughing with my daughter will set all to rights again. She'll never like you the worse for it.

MARLOW.
:Sir, I shall be always proud of her approbation.

HARDCASTLE.
:Approbation is but a cold word, Mr. Marlow; if I am not deceived, you have something more than approbation thereabouts. You take me?

MARLOW.
:Really, sir, I have not that happiness.

HARDCASTLE.
:Come, boy, I'm an old fellow, and know what's what as well as you that are younger. I know what has passed between you; but mum.

MARLOW.
:Sure, sir, nothing has passed between us but the most profound respect on my side, and the most distant reserve on hers. You don't think, sir, that my impudence has been passed upon all the rest of the family.

HARDCASTLE.
:Impudence! No, I don't say that—not quite impudence—though girls like to be played with, and rumpled a little too, sometimes. But she has told no tales, I assure you.

MARLOW.
:I never gave her the slightest cause.

HARDCASTLE.
:Well, well, I like modesty in its place well enough. But this is over-acting, young gentleman. You may be open. Your father and I will like you all the better for it.

MARLOW.
:May I die, sir, if I ever——

HARDCASTLE.
:I tell you, she don't dislike you; and as I'm sure you like her——

MARLOW.
:Dear sir—I protest, sir——

HARDCASTLE.
:I see no reason why you should not be joined as fast as the parson can tie you.

MARLOW.
:But hear me, sir—

HARDCASTLE.
:Your father approves the match, I admire it; every moment's delay will be doing mischief. So—

MARLOW.
:But why won't you hear me? By all that's just and true, I never gave Miss Hardcastle the slightest mark of my attachment, or even the most distant hint to suspect me of affection. We had but one interview, and that was formal, modest, and uninteresting.

HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] This fellow's formal modest impudence is beyond bearing.

SIR CHARLES.
:And you never grasped her hand, or made any protestations?

MARLOW.
:As Heaven is my witness, I came down in obedience to your commands. I saw the lady without emotion, and parted without reluctance. I hope you'll exact no farther proofs of my duty, nor prevent me from leaving a house in which I suffer so many mortifications. [Exit.]

SIR CHARLES.
:I'm astonished at the air of sincerity with which he parted.

HARDCASTLE.
:And I'm astonished at the deliberate intrepidity of his assurance.

SIR CHARLES.
:I dare pledge my life and honour upon his truth.

HARDCASTLE.
:Here comes my daughter, and I would stake my happiness upon her veracity.

[Enter MISS HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:Kate, come hither, child. Answer us sincerely and without reserve: has Mr. Marlow made you any professions of love and affection?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:The question is very abrupt, sir. But since you require unreserved sincerity, I think he has.

HARDCASTLE.
:[To SIR CHARLES.] You see.

SIR CHARLES.
:And pray, madam, have you and my son had more than one interview?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, sir, several.

HARDCASTLE.
:[To SIR CHARLES.] You see.

SIR CHARLES.
:But did be profess any attachment?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:A lasting one.

SIR CHARLES.
:Did he talk of love?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Much, sir.

SIR CHARLES.
:Amazing! And all this formally?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Formally.

HARDCASTLE.
:Now, my friend, I hope you are satisfied.

SIR CHARLES.
:And how did he behave, madam?

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:As most profest admirers do: said some civil things of my face, talked much of his want of merit, and the greatness of mine; mentioned his heart, gave a short tragedy speech, and ended with pretended rapture.

SIR CHARLES.
:Now I'm perfectly convinced, indeed. I know his conversation among women to be modest and submissive: this forward canting ranting manner by no means describes him; and, I am confident, he never sat for the picture.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Then, what, sir, if I should convince you to your face of my sincerity? If you and my papa, in about half an hour, will place yourselves behind that screen, you shall hear him declare his passion to me in person.

SIR CHARLES.
:Agreed. And if I find him what you describe, all my happiness in him must have an end. [Exit.]

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:And if you don't find him what I describe—I fear my happiness must never have a beginning. [Exeunt.]

SCENE changes to the back of the Garden.

[Enter HASTINGS.]

HASTINGS.
:What an idiot am I, to wait here for a fellow who probably takes a delight in mortifying me. He never intended to be punctual, and I'll wait no longer. What do I see? It is he! and perhaps with news of my Constance.

[Enter Tony, booted and spattered.]

HASTINGS.
:My honest 'squire! I now find you a man of your word. This looks like friendship.

TONY.
:Ay, I'm your friend, and the best friend you have in the world, if you knew but all. This riding by night, by the bye, is cursedly tiresome. It has shook me worse than the basket of a stage-coach.

HASTINGS.
:But how? where did you leave your fellow-travellers? Are they in safety? Are they housed?

TONY.
:Five and twenty miles in two hours and a half is no such bad driving. The poor beasts have smoked for it: rabbit me, but I'd rather ride forty miles after a fox than ten with such varment.

HASTINGS.
:Well, but where have you left the ladies? I die with impatience.

TONY.
:Left them! Why where should I leave them but where I found them?

HASTINGS.
:This is a riddle.

TONY.
:Riddle me this then. What's that goes round the house, and round the house, and never touches the house?

HASTINGS.
:I'm still astray.

TONY.
:Why, that's it, mon. I have led them astray. By jingo, there's not a pond or a slough within five miles of the place but they can tell the taste of.

HASTINGS.
:Ha! ha! ha! I understand: you took them in a round, while they supposed themselves going forward, and so you have at last brought them home again.

TONY.
:You shall hear. I first took them down Feather-bed Lane, where we stuck fast in the mud. I then rattled them crack over the stones of Up-and-down Hill. I then introduced them to the gibbet on Heavy-tree Heath; and from that, with a circumbendibus, I fairly lodged them in the horse-pond at the bottom of the garden.

HASTINGS.
:But no accident, I hope?

TONY.
:No, no. Only mother is confoundedly frightened. She thinks herself forty miles off. She's sick of the journey; and the cattle can scarce crawl. So if your own horses be ready, you may whip off with cousin, and I'll be bound that no soul here can budge a foot to follow you.

HASTINGS.
:My dear friend, how can I be grateful?

TONY.
:Ay, now it's dear friend, noble 'squire. Just now, it was all idiot, cub, and run me through the guts. Damn YOUR way of fighting, I say. After we take a knock in this part of the country, we kiss and be friends. But if you had run me through the guts, then I should be dead, and you might go kiss the hangman.

HASTINGS.
:The rebuke is just. But I must hasten to relieve Miss Neville: if you keep the old lady employed, I promise to take care of the young one. [Exit HASTINGS.]

TONY.
:Never fear me. Here she comes. Vanish. She's got from the pond, and draggled up to the waist like a mermaid.

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Oh, Tony, I'm killed! Shook! Battered to death. I shall never survive it. That last jolt, that laid us against the quickset hedge, has done my business.

TONY.
:Alack, mamma, it was all your own fault. You would be for running away by night, without knowing one inch of the way.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I wish we were at home again. I never met so many accidents in so short a journey. Drenched in the mud, overturned in a ditch, stuck fast in a slough, jolted to a jelly, and at last to lose our way. Whereabouts do you think we are, Tony?

TONY.
:By my guess we should come upon Crackskull Common, about forty miles from home.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:O lud! O lud! The most notorious spot in all the country. We only want a robbery to make a complete night on't.

TONY.
:Don't be afraid, mamma, don't be afraid. Two of the five that kept here are hanged, and the other three may not find us. Don't be afraid.—Is that a man that's galloping behind us? No; it's only a tree.—Don't be afraid.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:The fright will certainly kill me.

TONY.
:Do you see anything like a black hat moving behind the thicket?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Oh, death!

TONY.
:No; it's only a cow. Don't be afraid, mamma; don't be afraid.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:As I'm alive, Tony, I see a man coming towards us. Ah! I'm sure on't. If he perceives us, we are undone.

TONY.
:[Aside.] Father-in-law, by all that's unlucky, come to take one of his night walks. [To her.] Ah, it's a highwayman with pistols as long as my arm. A damned ill-looking fellow.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Good Heaven defend us! He approaches.

TONY.
:Do you hide yourself in that thicket, and leave me to manage him. If there be any danger, I'll cough, and cry hem. When I cough, be sure to keep close. [MRS. HARDCASTLE hides behind a tree in the back scene.]

[Enter HARDCASTLE.]

HARDCASTLE.
:I'm mistaken, or I heard voices of people in want of help. Oh, Tony! is that you? I did not expect you so soon back. Are your mother and her charge in safety?

TONY.
:Very safe, sir, at my aunt Pedigree's. Hem.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[From behind.] Ah, death! I find there's danger.

HARDCASTLE.
:Forty miles in three hours; sure that's too much, my youngster.

TONY.
:Stout horses and willing minds make short journeys, as they say. Hem.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[From behind.] Sure he'll do the dear boy no harm.

HARDCASTLE.
:But I heard a voice here; I should be glad to know from whence it came.

TONY.
:It was I, sir, talking to myself, sir. I was saying that forty miles in four hours was very good going. Hem. As to be sure it was. Hem. I have got a sort of cold by being out in the air. We'll go in, if you please. Hem.

HARDCASTLE.
:But if you talked to yourself you did not answer yourself. I'm certain I heard two voices, and am resolved [raising his voice] to find the other out.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[From behind.] Oh! he's coming to find me out. Oh!

TONY.
:What need you go, sir, if I tell you? Hem. I'll lay down my life for the truth—hem—I'll tell you all, sir. [Detaining him.]

HARDCASTLE.
:I tell you I will not be detained. I insist on seeing. It's in vain to expect I'll believe you.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Running forward from behind.] O lud! he'll murder my poor boy, my darling! Here, good gentleman, whet your rage upon me. Take my money, my life, but spare that young gentleman; spare my child, if you have any mercy.

HARDCASTLE.
:My wife, as I'm a Christian. From whence can she come? or what does she mean?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Kneeling.] Take compassion on us, good Mr. Highwayman. Take our money, our watches, all we have, but spare our lives. We will never bring you to justice; indeed we won't, good Mr. Highwayman.

HARDCASTLE.
:I believe the woman's out of her senses. What, Dorothy, don't you know ME?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Mr. Hardcastle, as I'm alive! My fears blinded me. But who, my dear, could have expected to meet you here, in this frightful place, so far from home? What has brought you to follow us?

HARDCASTLE.
:Sure, Dorothy, you have not lost your wits? So far from home, when you are within forty yards of your own door! [To him.] This is one of your old tricks, you graceless rogue, you. [To her.] Don't you know the gate, and the mulberry-tree; and don't you remember the horse-pond, my dear?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, I shall remember the horse-pond as long as I live; I have caught my death in it. [To TONY.] And it is to you, you graceless varlet, I owe all this? I'll teach you to abuse your mother, I will.

TONY.
:Ecod, mother, all the parish says you have spoiled me, and so you may take the fruits on't.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:I'll spoil you, I will. [Follows him off the stage. Exit.]

HARDCASTLE.
:There's morality, however, in his reply. [Exit.]

[Enter HASTINGS and MISS NEVILLE.]

HASTINGS.
:My dear Constance, why will you deliberate thus? If we delay a moment, all is lost for ever. Pluck up a little resolution, and we shall soon be out of the reach of her malignity.

MISS NEVILLE.
:I find it impossible. My spirits are so sunk with the agitations I have suffered, that I am unable to face any new danger. Two or three years' patience will at last crown us with happiness.

HASTINGS.
:Such a tedious delay is worse than inconstancy. Let us fly, my charmer. Let us date our happiness from this very moment. Perish fortune! Love and content will increase what we possess beyond a monarch's revenue. Let me prevail!

MISS NEVILLE.
:No, Mr. Hastings, no. Prudence once more comes to my relief, and I will obey its dictates. In the moment of passion fortune may be despised, but it ever produces a lasting repentance. I'm resolved to apply to Mr. Hardcastle's compassion and justice for redress.

HASTINGS.
:But though he had the will, he has not the power to relieve you.

MISS NEVILLE.
:But he has influence, and upon that I am resolved to rely.

HASTINGS.
:I have no hopes. But since you persist, I must reluctantly obey you. [Exeunt.]

SCENE changes.

[Enter SIR CHARLES and MISS HARDCASTLE.]

SIR CHARLES.
:What a situation am I in! If what you say appears, I shall then find a guilty son. If what he says be true, I shall then lose one that, of all others, I most wished for a daughter.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:I am proud of your approbation, and to show I merit it, if you place yourselves as I directed, you shall hear his explicit declaration. But he comes.

SIR CHARLES.
:I'll to your father, and keep him to the appointment. [Exit SIR CHARLES.]

[Enter MARLOW.]

MARLOW.
:Though prepared for setting out, I come once more to take leave; nor did I, till this moment, know the pain I feel in the separation.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:[In her own natural manner.] I believe sufferings cannot be very great, sir, which you can so easily remove. A day or two longer, perhaps, might lessen your uneasiness, by showing the little value of what you now think proper to regret.

MARLOW.
:[Aside.] This girl every moment improves upon me. [To her.] It must not be, madam. I have already trifled too long with my heart. My very pride begins to submit to my passion. The disparity of education and fortune, the anger of a parent, and the contempt of my equals, begin to lose their weight; and nothing can restore me to myself but this painful effort of resolution.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Then go, sir: I'll urge nothing more to detain you. Though my family be as good as hers you came down to visit, and my education, I hope, not inferior, what are these advantages without equal affluence? I must remain contented with the slight approbation of imputed merit; I must have only the mockery of your addresses, while all your serious aims are fixed on fortune.

[Enter HARDCASTLE and SIR CHARLES from behind.]

SIR CHARLES.
:Here, behind this screen.

HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, ay; make no noise. I'll engage my Kate covers him with confusion at last.

MARLOW.
:By heavens, madam! fortune was ever my smallest consideration. Your beauty at first caught my eye; for who could see that without emotion? But every moment that I converse with you steals in some new grace, heightens the picture, and gives it stronger expression. What at first seemed rustic plainness, now appears refined simplicity. What seemed forward assurance, now strikes me as the result of courageous innocence and conscious virtue.

SIR CHARLES.
:What can it mean? He amazes me!

HARDCASTLE.
:I told you how it would be. Hush!

MARLOW.
:I am now determined to stay, madam; and I have too good an opinion of my father's discernment, when he sees you, to doubt his approbation.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:No, Mr. Marlow, I will not, cannot detain you. Do you think I could suffer a connexion in which there is the smallest room for repentance? Do you think I would take the mean advantage of a transient passion, to load you with confusion? Do you think I could ever relish that happiness which was acquired by lessening yours?

MARLOW.
:By all that's good, I can have no happiness but what's in your power to grant me! Nor shall I ever feel repentance but in not having seen your merits before. I will stay even contrary to your wishes; and though you should persist to shun me, I will make my respectful assiduities atone for the levity of my past conduct.

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Sir, I must entreat you'll desist. As our acquaintance began, so let it end, in indifference. I might have given an hour or two to levity; but seriously, Mr. Marlow, do you think I could ever submit to a connexion where I must appear mercenary, and you imprudent? Do you think I could ever catch at the confident addresses of a secure admirer?

MARLOW.
:[Kneeling.] Does this look like security? Does this look like confidence? No, madam, every moment that shows me your merit, only serves to increase my diffidence and confusion. Here let me continue——

SIR CHARLES.
:I can hold it no longer. Charles, Charles, how hast thou deceived me! Is this your indifference, your uninteresting conversation?

HARDCASTLE.
:Your cold contempt; your formal interview! What have you to say now?

MARLOW.
:That I'm all amazement! What can it mean?

HARDCASTLE.
:It means that you can say and unsay things at pleasure: that you can address a lady in private, and deny it in public: that you have one story for us, and another for my daughter.

MARLOW.
:Daughter!—This lady your daughter?

HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, sir, my only daughter; my Kate; whose else should she be?

MARLOW.
:Oh, the devil!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:Yes, sir, that very identical tall squinting lady you were pleased to take me for [courtseying]; she that you addressed as the mild, modest, sentimental man of gravity, and the bold, forward, agreeable Rattle of the Ladies' Club. Ha! ha! ha!

MARLOW.
:Zounds! there's no bearing this; it's worse than death!

MISS HARDCASTLE.
:In which of your characters, sir, will you give us leave to address you? As the faltering gentleman, with looks on the ground, that speaks just to be heard, and hates hypocrisy; or the loud confident creature, that keeps it up with Mrs. Mantrap, and old Miss Biddy Buckskin, till three in the morning? Ha! ha! ha!

MARLOW.
:O, curse on my noisy head. I never attempted to be impudent yet, that I was not taken down. I must be gone.

HARDCASTLE.
:By the hand of my body, but you shall not. I see it was all a mistake, and I am rejoiced to find it. You shall not, sir, I tell you. I know she'll forgive you. Won't you forgive him, Kate? We'll all forgive you. Take courage, man. [They retire, she tormenting him, to the back scene.]

[Enter MRS. HARDCASTLE and Tony.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:So, so, they're gone off. Let them go, I care not.

HARDCASTLE.
:Who gone?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:My dutiful niece and her gentleman, Mr. Hastings, from town. He who came down with our modest visitor here.

SIR CHARLES.
:Who, my honest George Hastings? As worthy a fellow as lives, and the girl could not have made a more prudent choice.

HARDCASTLE.
:Then, by the hand of my body, I'm proud of the connexion.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Well, if he has taken away the lady, he has not taken her fortune; that remains in this family to console us for her loss.

HARDCASTLE.
:Sure, Dorothy, you would not be so mercenary?

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, that's my affair, not yours.

HARDCASTLE.
:But you know if your son, when of age, refuses to marry his cousin, her whole fortune is then at her own disposal.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Ay, but he's not of age, and she has not thought proper to wait for his refusal.

[Enter HASTINGS and MISS NEVILLE.]

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:[Aside.] What, returned so soon! I begin not to like it.

HASTINGS.
:[To HARDCASTLE.] For my late attempt to fly off with your niece let my present confusion be my punishment. We are now come back, to appeal from your justice to your humanity. By her father's consent, I first paid her my addresses, and our passions were first founded in duty.

MISS NEVILLE.
:Since his death, I have been obliged to stoop to dissimulation to avoid oppression. In an hour of levity, I was ready to give up my fortune to secure my choice. But I am now recovered from the delusion, and hope from your tenderness what is denied me from a nearer connexion.

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:Pshaw, pshaw! this is all but the whining end of a modern novel.

HARDCASTLE.
:Be it what it will, I'm glad they're come back to reclaim their due. Come hither, Tony, boy. Do you refuse this lady's hand whom I now offer you?

TONY.
:What signifies my refusing? You know I can't refuse her till I'm of age, father.

HARDCASTLE.
:While I thought concealing your age, boy, was likely to conduce to your improvement, I concurred with your mother's desire to keep it secret. But since I find she turns it to a wrong use, I must now declare you have been of age these three months.

TONY.
:Of age! Am I of age, father?

HARDCASTLE.
:Above three months.

TONY.
:Then you'll see the first use I'll make of my liberty. [Taking MISS NEVILLE's hand.] Witness all men by these presents, that I, Anthony Lumpkin, Esquire, of BLANK place, refuse you, Constantia Neville, spinster, of no place at all, for my true and lawful wife. So Constance Neville may marry whom she pleases, and Tony Lumpkin is his own man again.

SIR CHARLES.
:O brave 'squire!

HASTINGS.
:My worthy friend!

MRS. HARDCASTLE.
:My undutiful offspring!

MARLOW.
:Joy, my dear George! I give you joy sincerely. And could I prevail upon my little tyrant here to be less arbitrary, I should be the happiest man alive, if you would return me the favour.

HASTINGS.
:[To MISS HARDCASTLE.] Come, madam, you are now driven to the very last scene of all your contrivances. I know you like him, I'm sure he loves you, and you must and shall have him.

HARDCASTLE.
:[Joining their hands.] And I say so too. And, Mr. Marlow, if she makes as good a wife as she has a daughter, I don't believe you'll ever repent your bargain. So now to supper. To-morrow we shall gather all the poor of the parish about us, and the mistakes of the night shall be crowned with a merry morning. So, boy, take her; and as you have been mistaken in the mistress, my wish is, that you may never be mistaken in the wife. [Exeunt Omnes.]

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Epochal as starting the car was the drama of parking it before he entered his office. As he turned from Oberlin Avenue round the corner into Third Street, N.E., he peered ahead for a space in the line of parked cars. He angrily just missed a space as a rival driver slid into it. Ahead, another car was leaving the curb, and Babbitt slowed up, holding out his hand to the cars pressing on him from behind, agitatedly motioning an old woman to go ahead, avoiding a truck which bore down on him from one side. With front wheels nicking the wrought-steel bumper of the car in front, he stopped, feverishly cramped his steering-wheel, slid back into the vacant space and, with eighteen inches of room, manœuvered to bring the car level with the curb. It was a virile adventure masterfully executed. With satisfaction he locked a thief-proof steel wedge on the front wheel, and crossed the street to his real-estate office on the ground floor of the Reeves Building.

The Reeves Building was as fireproof as a rock and as efficient as a typewriter; fourteen stories of yellow pressed brick, with clean, upright, unornamented lines. It was filled with the offices of lawyers, doctors, agents for machinery, for emery wheels, for wire fencing, for mining-stock. Their gold signs shone on the windows. The entrance was too modern to be flamboyant with pillars; it was quiet, shrewd, neat. Along the Third Street side were a Western Union Telegraph Office, the Blue Delft Candy Shop, Shotwell's Stationery Shop, and the Babbitt-Thompson Realty Company.

Babbitt could have entered his office from the street, as customers did, but it made him feel an insider to go through the corridor of the building and enter by the back door. Thus he was greeted by the villagers.

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Now, as one of the squirearchy, greeted with honorable salutations by the villagers, he marched into his office, and peace and dignity were upon him, and the morning's dissonances all unheard.

They were heard again, immediately.

Stanley Graff, the outside salesman, was talking on the telephone with tragic lack of that firm manner which disciplines clients: &quot;Say, uh, I think I got just the house that would suit you—the Percival House, in Linton.... Oh, you've seen it. Well, how'd it strike you? ... Huh? ... Oh,&quot; irresolutely, &quot;oh, I see.&quot;

As Babbitt marched into his private room, a coop with semi-partition of oak and frosted glass, at the back of the office, he reflected how hard it was to find employees who had his own faith that he was going to make sales.

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As he looked from his own cage into the main room Babbitt mourned, &quot;McGoun's a good stenog., smart's a whip, but Stan Graff and all those bums—&quot; The zest of the spring morning was smothered in the stale office air.

Normally he admired the office, with a pleased surprise that he should have created this sure lovely thing; normally he was stimulated by the clean newness of it and the air of bustle; but to-day it seemed flat—the tiled floor, like a bathroom, the ocher-colored metal ceiling, the faded maps on the hard plaster walls, the chairs of varnished pale oak, the desks and filing-cabinets of steel painted in olive drab. It was a vault, a steel chapel where loafing and laughter were raw sin.

He hadn't even any satisfaction in the new water-cooler! And it was the very best of water-coolers, up-to-date, scientific, and right-thinking. It had cost a great deal of money (in itself a virtue). It possessed a non-conducting fiber ice-container, a porcelain water-jar (guaranteed hygienic), a drip-less non-clogging sanitary faucet, and machine-painted decorations in two tones of gold. He looked down the relentless stretch of tiled floor at the water-cooler, and assured himself that no tenant of the Reeves Building had a more expensive one, but he could not recapture the feeling of social superiority it had given him. He astoundingly grunted, &quot;I'd like to beat it off to the woods right now. And loaf all day. And go to Gunch's again to-night, and play poker, and cuss as much as I feel like, and drink a hundred and nine-thousand bottles of beer.&quot;

He sighed; he read through his mail; he shouted &quot;Msgoun,&quot; which meant &quot;Miss McGoun&quot;; and began to dictate.

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576 North American Building,&lt;br/&gt;
Zenith.

Dear Mr. Gribble:

Your letter of the twentieth to hand. I must say I'm awfully afraid that if we go on shilly-shallying like this we'll just naturally lose the Allen sale. I had Allen up on the carpet day before yesterday, and got right down to cases. All my experience indicates that he means to do business. I have also looked into his financial record, which is fine.

He is perfectly willing to pro rate the special assessment and there will be no difficulty in getting him to pay for title insurance.

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* [[Faith, Hope and Charity]]
* [[Love Me, Love My Dog (Crawford)|Love Me, Love My Dog]] (1880)
* [[Malcolm's Katie]]: A Love Story

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* [[Faith, Hope and Charity]]
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* ''The Collected Poems of Isabella Valancy Crawford'', ed. [[Author:John Garvin|John Garvin]] (1905) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/31383023864807}}

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===THE FIRST BOOK===
TO THE KING.
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There were under the law, excellent King, both daily sacrifices and freewill offerings; the one proceeding upon ordinary observance, the other upon a devout cheerfulness: in like manner there belongeth to kings from their servants both tribute of duty and presents of affection. In the former of these I hope I shall not live to be wanting, according to my most humble duty and the good pleasure of your Majesty’s em-ployments: for the latter, I thought it more respective to make choice of some oblation which might rather refer to the propriety and excellency of your individual person, than to the business of your crown and state.

Wherefore, representing your Majesty many times unto my mind, and beholding you not with the inquisitive eye of presumption, to discover that which the Scripture telleth me is inscrutable, but with the observant eye of duty and admiration, leaving aside the other parts of your virtue and fortune, I have been touched - yea, and possessed - with an extreme wonder at those your virtues and faculties, which the philosophers call intellectual; the largeness of your capacity, the faithfulness of your memory, the swiftness of your apprehension, the penetration of your judgment, and the facility and order of your elocution: and I have often thought that of all the persons living that I have known, your Majesty were the best instance to make a man of Plato’s opinion, that all knowledge is but remembrance, and that the mind of man by Nature knoweth all things, and hath but her own native and original notions (which by the strangeness and darkness of this tabernacle of the body are sequestered) again revived and restored: such a light of Nature I have observed in your Majesty, and such a readiness to take flame and blaze from the least occasion presented, or the least spark of another’s knowledge delivered. And as the Scripture saith of the wisest king, “That his heart was as the sands of the sea;” which, though it be one of the largest bodies, yet it consisteth of the smallest and finest portions; so hath God given your Majesty a composition of understanding admirable, being able to compass and comprehend the greatest matters, and nevertheless to touch and apprehend the least; whereas it should seem an impossibility in Nature for the same instrument to make itself fit for great and small works. And for your gift of speech, I call to mind what Cornelius Tacitus saith of Augustus Cæsar: Augusto profluens, et quæ principem deceret, eloquentia fuit. For if we note it well, speech that is uttered with labour and difficulty, or speech that savoureth of the affectation of art and precepts, or speech that is framed after the imitation of some pattern of eloquence, though never so excellent; all this hath somewhat servile, and holding of the subject. But your Majesty’s manner of speech is, indeed, prince-like, flowing as from a fountain, and yet streaming and branching itself into Nature’s order, full of facility and felicity, imitating none, and inimitable by any. And as in your civil estate there appeareth to be an emulation and contention of your Majesty’s virtue with your fortune; a virtuous disposition with a fortunate regiment; a virtuous expectation (when time was) of your greater fortune, with a prosperous possession thereof in the due time; a virtuous observation of the laws of marriage, with most blessed and happy fruit of marriage; a virtuous and most Christian desire of peace, with a fortunate inclination in your neighbour princes thereunto: so likewise in these intellectual matters there seemeth to be no less contention between the excellency of your Majesty’s gifts of Nature and the universality and perfection of your learning. For I am well assured that this which I shall say is no amplification at all, but a positive and measured truth; which is, that there hath not been since Christ’s time any king or temporal monarch which hath been so learned in all literature and erudition, divine and human. For let a man seriously and diligently revolve and peruse the succession of the Emperors of Rome, of which Cæsar the Dictator (who lived some years before Christ) and Marcus Antoninus were the best learned, and so descend to the Emperors of Græcia, or of the West, and then to the lines of France, Spain, England, Scotland, and the rest, and he shall find this judgment is truly made. For it seemeth much in a king if, by the compendious extractions of other men’s wits and labours, he can take hold of any superficial ornaments and shows of learning, or if he countenance and prefer learning and learned men; but to drink, indeed, of the true fountains of learning - nay, to have such a fountain of learning in himself, in a king, and in a king born - is almost a miracle. And the more, because there is met in your Majesty a rare conjunction, as well of divine and sacred literature as of profane and human; so as your Majesty standeth invested of that triplicity, which in great veneration was ascribed to the ancient Hermes: the power and fortune of a king, the knowledge and illumination of a priest, and the learning and universality of a philosopher. This propriety inherent and individual attribute in your Majesty deserveth to be expressed not only in the fame and admiration of the present time, nor in the history or tradition of the ages succeeding, but also in some solid work, fixed memorial, and immortal monument, bearing a character or signature both of the power of a king and the difference and perfection of such a king.

Therefore I did conclude with myself that I could not make unto your Majesty a better oblation than of some treatise tending to that end, whereof the sum will consist of these two parts: the former concerning the excellency of learning and knowledge, and the excellency of the merit and true glory in the augmentation and propagation thereof; the latter, what the particular acts and works are which have been embraced and undertaken for the advancement of learning; and again, what defects and undervalues I find in such particular acts: to the end that though I cannot positively or affirmatively advise your Majesty, or propound unto you framed particulars, yet I may excite your princely cogitations to visit the excellent treasure of your own mind, and thence to extract particulars for this purpose agreeable to your magnanimity and wisdom.

I.

(1) In the entrance to the former of these - to clear the way and, as it were, to make silence, to have the true testimonies concerning the dignity of learning to be better heard, without the interruption of tacit objections - I think good to deliver it from the discredits and disgraces which it hath received, all from ignorance, but ignorance severally disguised; appearing sometimes in the zeal and jealousy of divines, some-times in the severity and arrogancy of politics, and sometimes in the errors and im-perfections of learned men themselves.

(2) I hear the former sort say that knowledge is of those things which are to be accepted of with great limitation and caution; that the aspiring to overmuch knowledge was the original temptation and sin whereupon ensued the fall of man; that knowledge hath in it somewhat of the serpent, and, therefore, where it entereth into a man it makes him swell; Scientia inflat; that Solomon gives a censure, “That there is no end of making books, and that much reading is weariness of the flesh;” and again in another place, “That in spacious knowledge there is much contristation, and that he that increaseth knowledge increaseth anxiety;” that Saint Paul gives a caveat, “That we be not spoiled through vain philosophy;” that experience demonstrates how learned men have been arch-heretics, how learned times have been inclined to atheism, and how the contemplation of second causes doth derogate from our dependence upon God, who is the first cause.

(3) To discover, then, the ignorance and error of this opinion, and the misunders-tanding in the grounds thereof, it may well appear these men do not observe or con-sider that it was not the pure knowledge of Nature and universality, a knowledge by the light whereof man did give names unto other creatures in Paradise as they were brought before him according unto their proprieties, which gave the occasion to the fall; but it was the proud knowledge of good and evil, with an intent in man to give law unto himself, and to depend no more upon God’s commandments, which was the form of the temptation. Neither is it any quantity of knowledge, how great soever, that can make the mind of man to swell; for nothing can fill, much less extend the soul of man, but God and the contemplation of God; and, therefore, Solomon, speaking of the two principal senses of inquisition, the eye and the ear, affirmeth that the eye is never satisfied with seeing, nor the ear with hearing; and if there be no fulness, then is the continent greater than the content: so of knowledge itself and the mind of man, whereto the senses are but reporters, he defineth likewise in these words, placed after that calendar or ephemerides which he maketh of the diversities of times and seasons for all actions and purposes, and concludeth thus: “God hath made all things beautiful, or decent, in the true return of their seasons. Also He hath placed the world in man’s heart, yet cannot man find out the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end” - declaring not obscurely that God hath framed the mind of man as a mirror or glass, capable of the image of the universal world, and joyful to receive the impression thereof, as the eye joyeth to receive light; and not only delighted in beholding the variety of things and vicissitude of times, but raised also to find out and discern the ordinances and decrees which throughout all those changes are infallibly observed. And although he doth insinuate that the supreme or summary law of Nature (which he calleth “the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end”) is not possible to be found out by man, yet that doth not derogate from the capacity of the mind; but may be referred to the impediments, as of shortness of life, ill conjunction of labours, ill tradition of knowledge over from hand to hand, and many other inconveniences, whereunto the condition of man is subject. For that nothing parcel of the world is denied to man’s inquiry and invention, he doth in another place rule over, when he saith, “The spirit of man is as the lamp of God, wherewith He searcheth the inwardness of all secrets.” If, then, such be the capacity and receipt of the mind of man, it is manifest that there is no danger at all in the proportion or quantity of knowledge, how large soever, lest it should make it swell or out-compass itself; no, but it is merely the quality of knowledge, which, be it in quantity more or less, if it be taken without the true corrective thereof, hath in it some nature of venom or malignity, and some effects of that venom, which is ventosity or swelling. This corrective spice, the mixture whereof maketh knowledge so sovereign, is charity, which the Apostle immediately addeth to the former clause; for so he saith, “Knowledge bloweth up, but charity buildeth up;” not unlike unto that which he deilvereth in another place: “If I spake,” saith he, “with the tongues of men and angels, and had not charity, it were but as a tinkling cymbal.” Not but that it is an excellent thing to speak with the tongues of men and angels, but because, if it be severed from charity, and not referred to the good of men and mankind, it hath rather a sounding and unworthy glory than a meriting and substantial virtue. And as for that censure of Solomon concerning the excess of writing and reading books, and the anxiety of spirit which redoundeth from knowledge, and that admonition of St. Paul, “That we be not seduced by vain philosophy,” let those places be rightly understood; and they do, indeed, excellently set forth the true bounds and limitations whereby human knowledge is confined and circumscribed, and yet without any such contracting or coarctation, but that it may comprehend all the universal nature of things; for these limitations are three: the first, “That we do not so place our felicity in knowledge, as we forget our mortality;” the second, “That we make application of our knowledge, to give ourselves repose and contentment, and not distaste or repining;” the third, “That we do not presume by the contemplation of Nature to attain to the mysteries of God.” For as touching the first of these, Solomon doth excellently expound himself in another place of the same book, where he saith: “I saw well that knowledge recedeth as far from ignorance as light doth from darkness; and that the wise man’s eyes keep watch in his head, whereas this fool roundeth about in darkness: but withal I learned that the same mortality involveth them both.” And for the second, certain it is there is no vexation or anxiety of mind which resulteth from knowledge otherwise than merely by accident; for all knowledge and wonder (which is the seed of knowledge) is an impression of pleasure in itself; but when men fall to framing conclusions out of their knowledge, applying it to their particular, and ministering to themselves thereby weak fears or vast desires, there groweth that carefulness and trouble of mind which is spoken of; for then knowledge is no more Lumen siccum, whereof Heraclitus the profound said, Lumen siccum optima anima; but it becometh Lumen madidum, or maceratum, being steeped and infused in the humours of the affections. And as for the third point, it deserveth to be a little stood upon, and not to be lightly passed over; for if any man shall think by view and inquiry into these sensible and material things to attain that light, whereby he may reveal unto himself the nature or will of God, then, indeed, is he spoiled by vain philosophy; for the contemplation of God’s creatures and works produceth (having regard to the works and creatures themselves) knowledge, but having regard to God no perfect knowledge, but wonder, which is broken knowledge. And, therefore, it was most aptly said by one of Plato’s school, “That the sense of man carrieth a resemblance with the sun, which (as we see) openeth and revealeth all the terrestrial globe; but then, again, it obscureth and concealeth the stars and celestial globe: so doth the sense discover natural things, but it darkeneth and shutteth up divine.” And hence it is true that it hath proceeded, that divers great learned men have been heretical, whilst they have sought to fly up to the secrets of the Deity by this waxen wings of the senses. And as for the conceit that too much knowledge should incline a man to atheism, and that the ignorance of second causes should make a more devout dependence upon God, which is the first cause; first, it is good to ask the question which Job asked of his friends: “Will you lie for God, as one man will lie for another, to gratify him?” For certain it is that God worketh nothing in Nature but by second causes; and if they would have it otherwise believed, it is mere imposture, as it were in favour towards God, and nothing else but to offer to the Author of truth the unclean sacrifice of a lie. But further, it is an assured truth, and a conclusion of experience, that a little or superficial knowledge of philosophy may incline the mind of men to atheism, but a further proceeding therein doth bring the mind back again to religion. For in the entrance of philosophy, when the second causes, which are next unto the senses, do offer themselves to the mind of man, if it dwell and stay there it may induce some oblivion of the highest cause; but when a man passeth on further and seeth the dependence of causes and the works of Providence; then, according to the allegory of the poets, he will easily believe that the highest link of Nature’s chain must needs he tied to the foot of Jupiter’s chair. To conclude, therefore, let no man upon a weak conceit of sobriety or an ill-applied moderation think or maintain that a man can search too far, or be too well studied in the book of God’s word, or in the book of God’s works, divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficience in both; only let men beware that they apply both to charity, and not to swelling; to use, and not to ostentation; and again, that they do not unwisely mingle or confound these learnings together.

II. 

(1) And as for the disgraces which learning receiveth from politics, they be of this nature: that learning doth soften men’s minds, and makes them more unapt for the honour and exercise of arms; that it doth mar and pervert men’s dispositions for matter of government and policy, in making them too curious and irresolute by variety of reading, or too peremptory or positive by strictness of rules and axioms, or too immoderate and overweening by reason of the greatness of examples, or too in-compatible and differing from the times by reason of the dissimilitude of examples; or at least, that it doth divert men’s travails from action and business, and bringeth them to a love of leisure and privateness; and that it doth bring into states a relaxation of discipline, whilst every man is more ready to argue than to obey and execute. Out of this conceit Cato, surnamed the Censor, one of the wisest men indeed that ever lived, when Carneades the philosopher came in embassage to Rome, and that the young men of Rome began to flock about him, being allured with the sweetness and majesty of his eloquence and learning, gave counsel in open senate that they should give him his despatch with all speed, lest he should infect and enchant the minds and affections of the youth, and at unawares bring in an alteration of the manners and customs of the state. Out of the same conceit or humour did Virgil, turning his pen to the advantage of his country and the disadvantage of his own profession, make a kind of separation between policy and government, and between arts and sciences, in the verses so much renowned, attributing and challenging the one to the Romans, and leaving and yielding the other to the Grecians: Tu regere imperio popules, Romane, memento, Hæ tibi erunt artes, &amp;c. So likewise we see that Anytus, the accuser of Socrates, laid it as an article of charge and accusation against him, that he did, with the variety and power of his discourses and disputatious, withdraw young men from due reverence to the laws and customs of their country, and that he did profess a dangerous and pernicious science, which was to make the worse matter seem the better, and to suppress truth by force of eloquence and speech.

(2) But these and the like imputations have rather a countenance of gravity than any ground of justice: for experience doth warrant that, both in persons and in times, there hath been a meeting and concurrence in learning and arms, flourishing and excelling in the same men and the same ages. For as ‘for men, there cannot be a better nor the hike instance as of that pair, Alexander the Great and Julius Cæsar, the Dictator; whereof the one was Aristotle’s scholar in philosophy, and the other was Cicero’s rival in eloquence; or if any man had rather call for scholars that were great generals, than generals that were great scholars, let him take Epaminondas the Theban, or Xenophon the Athenian; whereof the one was the first that abated the power of Sparta, and the other was the first that made way to the overthrow of the monarchy of Persia. And this concurrence is yet more visible in times than in persons, by how much an age is greater object than a man. For both in Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Græcia, and Rome, the same times that are most renowned for arms are, likewise, most admired for learning, so that the greatest authors and philosophers, and the greatest captains and governors, have lived in the same ages. Neither can it otherwise he: for as in man the ripeness of strength of the body and mind cometh much about an age, save that the strength of the body cometh somewhat the more early, so in states, arms and learning, whereof the one correspondeth to the body, the other to the soul of man, have a concurrence or near sequence in times.

(3) And for matter of policy and government, that learning, should rather hurt, than enable thereunto, is a thing very improbable; we see it is accounted an error to commit a natural body to empiric physicians, which commonly have a few pleasing receipts whereupon they are confident and adventurous, but know neither the causes of diseases, nor the complexions of patients, nor peril of accidents, nor the true method of cures; we see it is a like error to rely upon advocates or lawyers which are only men of practice, and not grounded in their books, who are many times easily surprised when matter falleth out besides their experience, to the prejudice of the causes they handle: so by like reason it cannot be but a matter of doubtful consequence if states be managed by empiric statesmen, not well mingled with men grounded in learning. But contrariwise, it is almost without instance contradictory that ever any government was disastrous that was in the hands of learned governors. For howsoever it hath been ordinary with politic men to extenuate and disable learned men by the names of pedantes; yet in the records of time it appeareth in many particulars that the governments of princes in minority (notwithstanding the infinite disadvantage of that kind of state) - have nevertheless excelled the government of princes of mature age, even for that reason which they seek to traduce, which is that by that occasion the state hath been in the hands of pedantes: for so was the state of Rome for the first five years, which are so much magnified, during the minority of Nero, in the hands of Seneca, a pedenti; so it was again, for ten years’ space or more, during the minority of Gordianus the younger, with great applause and contentation in the hands of Misitheus, a pedanti: so was it before that, in the minority of Alexander Severus, in like happiness, in hands not much unlike, by reason of the rule of the women, who were aided by the teachers and preceptors. Nay, let a man look into the government of the Bishops of Rome, as by name, into the government of Pius Quintus and Sextus Quintus in our times, who were both at their entrance esteemed but as pedantical friars, and he shall find that such Popes do greater things, and proceed upon truer principles of state, than those which have ascended to the papacy from an education and breeding in affairs of state and courts of princes; for although men bred in learning are perhaps to seek in points of convenience and accommodating for the present, which the Italians call ragioni di stato, whereof the same Pius Quintus could not hear spoken with patience, terming them inventions against religion and the moral virtues; yet on the other side, to recompense that, they are perfect in those same plain grounds of religion, justice, honour, and moral virtue, which if they be well and watchfully pursued, there will be seldom use of those other, no more than of physic in a sound or well-dieted body. Neither can the experience of one man’s life furnish examples and precedents for the event of one man’s life. For as it happeneth sometimes that the grandchild, or other descendant, resembleth the ancestor more than the son; so many times occurrences of present times may sort better with ancient examples than with those of the later or immediate times; and lastly, the wit of one man can no more countervail learning than one man’s means can hold way with a common purse.

(4) And as for those particular seducements or indispositions of the mind for policy and government, which learning is pretended to insinuate; if it be granted that any such thing be, it must be remembered withal that learning ministereth in every of them greater strength of medicine or remedy than it offereth cause of indisposition or infirmity. For if by a secret operation it make men perplexed and irresolute, on the other side by plain precept it teacheth them when and upon what ground to resolve; yea, and how to carry things in suspense, without prejudice, till they resolve. If it make men positive and regular, it teacheth them what things are in their nature de-monstrative, and what are conjectural, and as well the use of distinctions and excep-tions, as the latitude of principles and rules. If it mislead by disproportion or dissimi-litude of examples, it teacheth men the force of circumstances, the errors of com-parisons, and all the cautions of application; so that in all these it doth rectify more effectually than it can pervert. And these medicines it conveyeth into men’s minds much more forcibly by the quickness and penetration of examples. For let a man look into the errors of Clement VII., so lively described by Guicciardini, who served under him, or into the errors of Cicero, painted out by his own pencil in his Epistles to Atticus, and he will fly apace from being irresolute. Let him look into the errors of Phocion, and he will beware how he be obstinate or inflexible. Let him but read the fable of Ixion, and it will hold him from being vaporous or imaginative. Let him look into the errors of Cato II., and he will never be one of the Antipodes, to tread oppo-site to the present world.

(5) And for the conceit that learning should dispose men to leisure and privateness, and make men slothful: it were a strange thing if that which accustometh the mind to a perpetual motion and agitation should induce slothfulness, whereas, contrariwise, it may be truly affirmed that no kind of men love business for itself but those that are learned; for other persons love it for profit, as a hireling that loves the work for the wages; or for honour, as because it beareth them up in the eyes of men, and refresheth their reputation, which otherwise would wear; or because it putteth them in mind of their fortune, and giveth them occasion to pleasure and displeasure; or because it exerciseth some faculty wherein they take pride, and so entertaineth them in good-humour and pleasing conceits towards themselves; or because it advanceth any other their ends. So that as it is said of untrue valours, that some men’s valours are in the eyes of them that look on, so such men’s industries are in the eyes of others, or, at least, in regard of their own designments; only learned men love business as an action according to nature, as agreeable to health of mind as exercise is to health of body, taking pleasure in the action itself, and not in the purchase, so that of all men they are the most indefatigable, if it be towards any business which can hold or detain their mind.

(6) And if any man be laborious in reading and study, and yet idle in business and ac-tion, it groweth from some weakness of body or softness of spirit, such as Seneca speaketh of: Quidam tam sunt umbratiles, ut putent in turbido esse quicquid in luce est; and not of learning: well may it be that such a point of a man’s nature may make him give himself to learning, but it is not learning that breedeth any such point in his nature.

(7) And that learning should take up too much time or leisure: I answer, the most ac-tive or busy man that hath been or can be, hath (no question) many vacant times of leisure while he expecteth the tides and returns of business (except he be either tedious and of no despatch, or lightly and unworthily ambitious to meddle in things that may be better done by others), and then the question is but how those spaces and times of leisure shall be filled and spent; whether in pleasure or in studies; as was well answered by Demosthenes to his adversary Æschines, that was a man given to pleasure, and told him “That his orations did smell of the lamp.” “Indeed,” said Demosthenes, “there is a great difference between the things that you and I do by lamp-light.” So as no man need doubt that learning will expel business, but rather it will keep and defend the possession of the mind against idleness and pleasure, which otherwise at unawares may enter to the prejudice of both.

(8) Again, for that other conceit that learning should undermine the reverence of laws and government, it is assuredly a mere depravation and calumny, without all shadow of truth. For to say that a blind custom of obedience should be a surer obligation than duty taught and understood, it is to affirm that a blind man may tread surer by a guide than a seeing man can by a light. And it is without all controversy that learning doth make the minds of men gentle, generous, manageable, and pliant to government; whereas ignorance makes them churlish, thwart, and mutinous: and the evidence of time doth clear this assertion, considering that the most barbarous, rude, and unlearned times have been most subject to tumults, seditious, and changes.

(9) And as to the judgment of Cato the Censor, he was well punished for his blas-phemy against learning, in the same kind wherein he offended; for when he was past threescore years old, he was taken with an extreme desire to go to school again, and to learn the Greek tongue, to the end to peruse the Greek authors; which doth well demonstrate that his former censure of the Grecian learning was rather an affected gravity, than according to the inward sense of his own opinion. And as for Virgil’s verses, though it pleased him to brave the world in taking to the Romans the art of empire, and leaving to others the arts of subjects, yet so much is manifest - that the Romans never ascended to that height of empire till the time they had ascended to the height of other arts. For in the time of the two first Cæsars, which had the art of government in greatest perfection, there lived the best poet, Virgilius Maro; the best historiographer, Titus Livius; the best antiquary, Marcus Varro; and the best or second orator, Marcus Cicero, that to the memory of man are known. As for the accusation of Socrates, the time must be remembered when it was prosecuted; which was under the Thirty Tyrants, the most base, bloody, and envious persons that have governed; which revolution of state was no sooner over but Socrates, whom they had made a person criminal, was made a person heroical, and his memory accumulate with honours divine and human; and those discourses of his which were then termed corrupting of manners, were after acknowledged for sovereign medicines of the mind and manners, and so have been received ever since till this day. Let this, therefore, serve for answer to politiques, which in their humorous severity, or in their feigned gravity, have presumed to throw imputations upon learning; which redargution nevertheless (save that we know not whether our labours may extend to other ages) were not needful for the present, in regard of the love and reverence towards learning which the example and countenance of two so learned princes, Queen Elizabeth and your Majesty, being as Castor and Pollux, lucida sidera, stars of excellent light and most benign influence, hath wrought in all men of place and authority in our nation.

III. 

(1) Now therefore we come to that third sort of discredit or diminution of credit that groweth unto learning from learned men themselves, which commonly cleaveth fastest: it is either from their fortune, or from their manners, or from the nature of their studies. For the first, it is not in their power; and the second is accidental; the third only is proper to be handled: but because we are not in hand with true measure, but with popular estimation and conceit, it is not amiss to speak somewhat of the two former. The derogations therefore which grow to learning from the fortune or condition of learned men, are either in respect of scarcity of means, or in respect of privateness of life and meanness of employments.

(2) Concerning want, and that it is the case of learned men usually to begin with little, and not to grow rich so fast as other men, by reason they convert not their labours chiefly to lucre and increase, it were good to leave the commonplace in commendation of povery to some friar to handle, to whom much was attributed by Machiavel in this point when he said, “That the kingdom of the clergy had been long before at an end, if the reputation and reverence towards the poverty of friars had not borne out the scandal of the superfluities and excesses of bishops and prelates.” So a man might say that the felicity and delicacy of princes and great persons had long since turned to rudeness and barbarism, if the poverty of learning had not kept up civility and honour of life; but without any such advantages, it is worthy the observation what a reverent and honoured thing poverty of fortune was for some ages in the Roman state, which nevertheless was a state without paradoxes. For we see what Titus Livius saith in his introduction: Cæterum aut me amor negotii suscepti fallit aut nulla unquam respublica nec major, nec sanctior, nec bonis exemplis ditior fuit; nec in quam tam sero avaritia luxuriaque immigraverint; nec ubi tantus ac tam diu paupertati ac parsimoniæ honos fuerit. We see likewise, after that the state of Rome was not itself, but did degenerate, how that person that took upon him to be counsellor to Julius Cæsar after his victory where to begin his restoration of the state, maketh it of all points the most summary to take away the estimation of wealth: Verum hæc et omnia mala pariter cum honore pecuniæ desinent; si neque magistratus, neque alia vulgo cupienda, venalia erunt. To conclude this point: as it was truly said that Paupertas est virtutis fortuna, though sometimes it come from vice, so it may be fitly said that, though some times it may proceed from misgovernment and accident. Surely Solomon hath pronounced it both in censure, Qui festinat ad divitias non erit insons; and in precept, “Buy the truth, and sell it not; and so of wisdom and knowledge;” judging that means were to be spent upon learning, and not learning to be applied to means. And as for the privateness or obscureness (as it may be in vulgar estimation accounted) of life of contemplative men, it is a theme so common to extol a private life, not taxed with sensuality and sloth, in comparison and to the disadvantage of a civil life, for safety, liberty, pleasure, and dignity, or at least freedom from indignity, as no man handleth it but handleth it well; such a consonancy it hath to men’s conceits in the expressing, and to men’s consents in the allowing. This only I will add, that learned men forgotten in states and not living in the eyes of men, are like the images of Cassius and Brutus in the funeral of Junia, of which, not being represented as many others were, Tacitus saith, Eo ipso præfulgebant quod non visebantur.

(3) And for meanness of employment, that which is most traduced to contempt is that the government of youth is commonly allotted to them; which age, because it is the age of least authority, it is transferred to the disesteeming of those employments wherein youth is conversant, and which are conversant about youth. But how unjust this traducement is (if you will reduce things from popularity of opinion to measure of reason) may appear in that we see men are more curious what they put into a new vessel than into a vessel seasoned; and what mould they lay about a young plant than about a plant corroborate; so as this weakest terms and times of all things use to have the best applications and helps. And will you hearken to the Hebrew rabbins? “Your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” say they, youth is the worthier age, for that visions are nearer apparitions of God than dreams? And let it be noted that howsoever the condition of life of pedantes hath been scorned upon theatres, as the ape of tyranny; and that the modern looseness or negligence hath taken no due regard to the choice of schoolmasters and tutors; yet the ancient wisdom of the best times did always make a just complaint, that states were too busy with their laws and too negligent in point of education: which excellent part of ancient discipline hath been in some sort revived of late times by the colleges of the Jesuits; of whom, although in regard of their superstition I may say, Quo meliores, eo deteriores; yet in regard of this, and some other points concerning human learning and moral matters, I may say, as Agesilaus said to his enemy Pharnabazus, Talis quum sis, utunam noster esses. And that much touching the discredits drawn from the fortunes of learned men.

(4) As touching the manners of learned men, it is a thing personal and individual: and no doubt there be amongst them, as in other professions, of all temperatures: but yet so as it is not without truth which is said, that Abeunt studua in mores, studies have an influence and operation upon the manners of those that are conversant in them.

(5) But upon an attentive and indifferent review, I for my part cannot find any disgrace to learning can proceed from the manners of learned men; not inherent to them as they are learned; except it be a fault (which was the supposed fault of Demosthenes, Cicero, Cato II., Seneca, and many more) that because the times they read of are commonly better than the times they live in, and the duties taught better than the duties practised, they contend sometimes too far to bring things to perfection, and to reduce the corruption of manners to honesty of precepts or examples of too great height. And yet hereof they have caveats enough in their own walks. For Solon, when he was asked whether he had given his citizens the best laws, answered wisely, “Yea, of such as they would receive:” and Plato, finding that his own heart could not agree with the corrupt manners of his country, refused to bear place or office, saying, “That a man’s country was to be used as his parents were, that is, with humble persuasions, and not with contestations.” And Cæsar’s counsellor put in the same caveat, Non ad vetera instituta revocans quæ jampridem corruptis moribus ludibrio sunt; and Cicero noteth this error directly in Cato II. when he writes to his friend Atticus, Cato optime sentit, sed nocet interdum reipublicæ; loquitur enim tanquam in republicâ Platonis, non tanquam in fæce Romuli. And the same Cicero doth excuse and expound the philosophers for going too far and being too exact in their prescripts when he saith, Isti ipse præceptores virtutis et magistri videntur fines officiorum paulo longius quam natura vellet protulisse, ut cum ad ultimum animo contendissemus, ibi tamen, ubi oportet, consisteremus: and yet himself might have said, Monitis sum minor ipse meis; for it was his own fault, though not in so extreme a degree.

(6) Another fault likewise much of this kind hath been incident to learned men, which is, that they have esteemed the preservation, good, and honour of their countries or masters before their own fortunes or safeties. For so saith Demosthenes unto the Athenians: “If it please you to note it, my counsels unto you are not such whereby I should grow great amongst you, and you become little amongst the Grecians; but they be of that nature as they are sometimes not good for me to give, but are always good for you to follow.” And so Seneca, after he had consecrated that Quinquennium Neronis to the eternal glory of learned governors, held on his honest and loyal course of good and free counsel after his master grew extremely corrupt in his government. Neither can this point otherwise be, for learning endueth men’s minds with a true sense of the frailty of their persons, the casualty of their fortunes, and the dignity of their soul and vocation, so that it is impossible for them to esteem that any greatness of their own fortune can be a true or worthy end of their being and ordainment, and therefore are desirous to give their account to God, and so likewise to their masters under God (as kings and the states that they serve) in those words, Ecce tibi lucrefeci, and not Ecce mihi lucrefeci; whereas the corrupter sort of mere politiques, that have not their thoughts established by learning in the love and apprehension of duty, nor never look abroad into universality, do refer all things to themselves, and thrust themselves into the centre of the world, as if all lines should meet in them and their fortunes, never caring in all tempests what becomes of the ship of state, so they may save themselves in the cockboat of their own fortune; whereas men that feel the weight of duty and know the limits of self-love use to make good their places and duties, though with peril; and if they stand in seditious and violent alterations, it is rather the reverence which many times both adverse parts do give to honesty, than any versatile advantage of their own carriage. But for this point of tender sense and fast obligation of duty which learning doth endue the mind withal, howsoever fortune may tax it, and many in the depth of their corrupt principles may despise it, yet it will receive an open allowance, and therefore needs the less disproof or excuse.

(7) Another fault incident commonly to learned men, which may be more properly defended than truly denied, is that they fail sometimes in applying themselves to par-ticular persons, which want of exact application ariseth from two causes - the one, because the largeness of their mind can hardly confine itself to dwell in the exquisite observation or examination of the nature and customs of one person, for it is a speech for a lover, and not for a wise man, Satis magnum alter alteri theatrum sumus. Nevertheless I shall yield that he that cannot contract the sight of his mind as well as disperse and dilate it, wanteth a great faculty. But there is a second cause, which is no inability, but a rejection upon choice and judgment. For the honest and just bounds of observation by one person upon another extend no further but to understand him sufficiently, whereby not to give him offence, or whereby to be able to give him faithful counsel, or whereby to stand upon reasonable guard and caution in respect of a man’s self. But to be speculative into another man to the end to know how to work him, or wind him, or govern him, proceedeth from a heart that is double and cloven, and not entire and ingenuous; which as in friendship it is want of integrity, so towards princes or superiors is want of duty. For the custom of the Levant, which is that subjects do forbear to gaze or fix their eyes upon princes, is in the outward ceremony barbarous, but the moral is good; for men ought not, by cunning and bent observations, to pierce and penetrate into the hearts of kings, which the Scripture hath declared to be inscrutable.

(8) There is yet another fault (with which I will conclude this part) which is often noted in learned men, that they do many times fail to observe decency and discretion in their behaviour and carriage, and commit errors in small and ordinary points of action, so as the vulgar sort of capacities do make a judgment of them in greater matters by that which they find wanting in them in smaller. But this consequence doth oft deceive men, for which I do refer them over to that which was said by Themistocles, arrogantly and uncivilly being applied to himself out of his own mouth, but, being applied to the general state of this question, pertinently and justly, when, being invited to touch a lute, he said, “He could not fiddle, but he could make a small town a great state.” So no doubt many may be well seen in the passages of government and policy which are to seek in little and punctual occasions. I refer them also to that which Plato said of his master Socrates, whom he compared to the gallipots of apothecaries, which on the outside had apes and owls and antiques, but contained within sovereign and precious liquors and confections; acknowledging that, to an external report, he was not without superficial levities and deformities, but was inwardly replenished with excellent virtues and powers. And so much touching the point of manners of learned men.

(9) But in the meantime I have no purpose to give allowance to some conditions and courses base and unworthy, wherein divers professors of learning have wronged themselves and gone too far; such as were those trencher philosophers which in the later age of the Roman state were usually in the houses of great persons, being little better than solemn parasites, of which kind, Lucian maketh a merry description of the philosopher that the great lady took to ride with her in her coach, and would needs have him carry her little dog, which he doing officiously and yet uncomely, the page scoffed and said, “That he doubted the philosopher of a Stoic would turn to be a Cynic.” But, above all the rest, this gross and palpable flattery whereunto many not unlearned have abased and abused their wits and pens, turning (as Du Bartas saith) Hecuba into Helena, and Faustina into Lucretia, hath most diminished the price and estimation of learning. Neither is the modern dedication of books and writings, as to patrons, to be commended, for that books (such as are worthy the name of books) ought to have no patrons but truth and reason. And the ancient custom was to dedi-cate them only to private and equal friends, or to entitle the books with their names; or if to kings and great persons, it was to some such as the argument of the book was fit and proper for; but these and the like courses may deserve rather reprehension than defence.

(10) Not that I can tax or condemn the morigeration or application of learned men to men in fortune. For the answer was good that Diogenes made to one that asked him in mockery, “How it came to pass that philosophers were the followers of rich men, and not rich men of philosophers?” He answered soberly, and yet sharply, “Because the one sort knew what they had need of, and the other did not.” And of the like nature was the answer which Aristippus made, when having a petition to Dionysius, and no ear given to him, he fell down at his feet, whereupon Dionysius stayed and gave him the hearing, and granted it; and afterwards some person, tender on the behalf of philosophy, reproved Aristippus that he would offer the profession of philosophy such an indignity as for a private suit to fall at a tyrant’s feet; but he answered, “It was not his fault, but it was the fault of Dionysius, that had his ears in his feet.” Neither was it accounted weakness, but discretion, in him that would not dispute his best with Adrianus Cæsar, excusing himself, “That it was reason to yield to him that commanded thirty legions.” These and the like, applications, and stooping to points of necessity and convenience, cannot be disallowed; for though they may have some outward baseness, yet in a judgment truly made they are to be accounted submissions to the occasion and not to the person.

IV. 

(1) Now I proceed to those errors and vanities which have intervened amongst the studies themselves of the learned, which is that which is principal and proper to the present argument; wherein my purpose is not to make a justification of the errors, but by a censure and separation of the errors to make a justification of that which is good and sound, and to deliver that from the aspersion of the other. For we see that it is the manner of men to scandalise and deprave that which retaineth the state and virtue, by taking advantage upon that which is corrupt and degenerate, as the heathens in the primitive Church used to blemish and taint the Christians with the faults and corruptions of heretics. But nevertheless I have no meaning at this time to make any exact animadversion of the errors and impediments in matters of learning, which are more secret and remote from vulgar opinion, but only to speak unto such as do fall under or near unto a popular observation.

(2) There be therefore chiefly three vanities in studies, whereby learning hath been most traduced. For those things we do esteem vain which are either false or frivolous, those which either have no truth or no use; and those persons we esteem vain which are either credulous or curious; and curiosity is either in matter or words: so that in reason as well as in experience there fall out to be these three distempers (as I may term them) of learning - the first, fantastical learning; the second, contentious learning; and the last, delicate learning; vain imaginations, vain altercations, and vain affectations; and with the last I will begin. Martin Luther, conducted, no doubt, by a higher Providence, but in discourse of reason, finding what a province he had undertaken against the Bishop of Rome and the degenerate traditions of the Church, and finding his own solitude, being in nowise aided by the opinions of his own time, was enforced to awake all antiquity, and to call former times to his succours to make a party against the present time. So that the ancient authors, both in divinity and in humanity, which had long time slept in libraries, began generally to be read and revolved. This, by consequence, did draw on a necessity of a more exquisite travail in the languages original, wherein those authors did write, for the better understanding of those authors, and the better advantage of pressing and applying their words. And thereof grew, again, a delight in their manner of style and phrase, and an admiration of that kind of writing, which was much furthered and precipitated by the enmity and opposition that the propounders of those primitive but seeming new opinions had against the schoolmen, who were generally of the contrary part, and whose writings were altogether in a differing style and form; taking liberty to coin and frame new terms of art to express their own sense, and to avoid circuit of speech, without regard to the pureness, pleasantness, and (as I may call it) lawfulness of the phrase or word. And again, because the great labour then was with the people (of whom the Pharisees were wont to say, Execrabilis ista turba, quæ non novit legem), for the winning and persuading of them, there grew of necessity in chief price and request eloquence and variety of discourse, as the fittest and forciblest access into the capacity of the vulgar sort; so that these four causes concurring - the admiration of ancient authors, the hate of the schoolmen, the exact study of languages, and the efficacy of preaching - did bring in an affectionate study of eloquence and copy of speech, which then began to flourish. This grew speedily to an excess; for men began to hunt more after words than matter - more after the choiceness of the phrase, and the round and clean composition of the sentence, and the sweet falling of the clauses, and the varying and illustration of their works with tropes and figures, than after the weight of matter, worth of subject, soundness of argument, life of invention, or depth of judgment. Then grew the flowing and watery vein of Osorius, the Portugal bishop, to be in price. Then did Sturmius spend such infinite and curious pains upon Cicero the Orator and Hermogenes the Rhetorician, besides his own books of Periods and Imitation, and the like. Then did Car of Cambridge and Ascham with their lectures and writings almost deify Cicero and Demosthenes, and allure all young men that were studious unto that delicate and polished kind of learning. Then did Erasmus take occasion to make the scoffing echo, Decem annos consuumpsi in legendo Cicerone; and the echo answered in Greek, One, Asine. Then grew the learning of the schoolmen to be utterly despised as barbarous. In sum, the whole inclination and bent of those times was rather towards copy than weight.

(3) Here therefore [is] the first distemper of learning, when men study words and not matter; whereof, though I have represented an example of late times, yet it hath been and will be secundum majus et minus in all time. And how is it possible but this should have an operation to discredit learning, even with vulgar capacities, when they see learned men’s works like the first letter of a patent or limited book, which though it hath large flourishes, yet it is but a letter? It seems to me that Pygmalion’s frenzy is a good emblem or portraiture of this vanity; for words are but the images of matter, and except they have life of reason and invention, to fall in love with them is all one as to fall in love with a picture.

(4) But yet notwithstanding it is a thing not hastily to be condemned, to clothe and adorn the obscurity even of philosophy itself with sensible and plausible elocution. For hereof we have great examples in Xenophon, Cicero, Seneca, Plutarch, and of Plato also in some degree; and hereof likewise there is great use, for surely, to the severe inquisition of truth and the deep progress into philosophy, it is some hindrance because it is too early satisfactory to the mind of man, and quencheth the desire of further search before we come to a just period. But then if a man be to have any use of such knowledge in civil occasions, of conference, counsel, persuasion, discourse, or the like, then shall he find it prepared to his hands in those authors which write in that manner. But the excess of this is so justly contemptible, that as Hercules, when he saw the image of Adonis, Venus’ minion, in a temple, said in disdain, Nil sacri es; so there is none of Hercules’ followers in learning - that is, the more severe and laborious sort of inquirers into truth - but will despise those delicacies and affectations, as indeed capable of no divineness. And thus much of the first disease or distemper of learning.

(5) The second which followeth is in nature worse than the former: for as substance of matter is better than beauty of words, so contrariwise vain matter is worse than vain words: wherein it seemeth the reprehension of St. Paul was not only proper for those times, but prophetical for the times following; and not only respective to divinity, but extensive to all knowledge: Devita profanas vocum novitates, et oppositiones falsi nominis scientiæ. For he assigneth two marks and badges of suspected and falsified science: the one, the novelty and strangeness of terms; the other, the strictness of positions, which of necessity doth induce oppositions, and so questions and alter-cations. Surely, like as many substances in nature which are solid do putrefy and corrupt into worms; - so it is the property of good and sound knowledge to putrefy and dissolve into a number of subtle, idle, unwholesome, and (as I may term them) ver-miculate questions, which have indeed a kind of quickness and life of spirit, but no soundness of matter or goodness of quality. This kind of degenerate learning did chiefly reign amongst the schoolmen, who having sharp and strong wits, and abun-dance of leisure, and small variety of reading, but their wits being shut up in the cells of a few authors (chiefly Aristotle their dictator) as their persons were shut up in the cells of monasteries and colleges, and knowing little history, either of nature or time, did out of no great quantity of matter and infinite agitation of wit spin out unto us those laborious webs of learning which are extant in their books. For the wit and mind of man, if it work upon matter, which is the contemplation of the creatures of God, worketh according to the stuff and is limited thereby; but if it work upon itself, as the spider worketh his web, then it is endless, and brings forth indeed cobwebs of learning, admirable for the fineness of thread and work, but of no substance or profit.

(6) This same unprofitable subtility or curiosity is of two sorts: either in the subject itself that they handle, when it is a fruitless speculation or controversy (whereof there are no small number both in divinity and philosophy), or in the manner or method of handling of a knowledge, which amongst them was this - upon every particular position or assertion to frame objections, and to those objections, solutions; which solutions were for the most part not confutations, but distinctions: whereas indeed the strength of all sciences is, as the strength of the old man’s faggot, in the bond. For the harmony of a science, supporting each part the other, is and ought to be the true and brief confutation and suppression of all the smaller sort of objections. But, on the other side, if you take out every axiom, as the sticks of the faggot, one by one, you may quarrel with them and bend them and break them at your pleasure: so that, as was said of Seneca, Verborum minutiis rerum frangit pondera, so a man may truly say of the schoolmen, Quæstionum minutiis scientiarum frangunt soliditatem. For were it not better for a man in fair room to set up one great light, or branching candlestick of lights, than to go about with a small watch-candle into every corner? And such is their method, that rests not so much upon evidence of truth proved by arguments, authorities, similitudes, examples, as upon particular confutations and solutions of every scruple, cavillation, and objection; breeding for the most part one question as fast as it solveth another; even as in the former resemblance, when you carry the light into one corner, you darken the rest; so that the fable and fiction of Scylla seemeth to be a lively image of this kind of philosophy or knowledge; which was transformed into a comely virgin for the upper parts; but then Candida succinctam latrantibus inguina monstris: so the generalities of the schoolmen are for a while good and proportionable; but then when you descend into their distinctions and decisions, instead of a fruitful womb for the use and benefit of man’s life, they end in monstrous altercations and barking questions. So as it is not possible but this quality of knowledge must fall under popular contempt, the people being apt to contemn truths upon occasion of controversies and altercations, and to think they are all out of their way which never meet; and when they see such digladiation about subtleties, and matters of no use or moment, they easily fall upon that judgment of Dionysius of Syracusa, Verba ista sunt senum otiosorum.

(7) Notwithstanding, certain it is that if those schoolmen to their great thirst of truth and unwearied travail of wit had joined variety and universality of reading and con-templation, they had proved excellent lights, to the great advancement of all learning and knowledge; but as they are, they are great undertakers indeed, and fierce with dark keeping. But as in the inquiry of the divine truth, their pride inclined to leave the oracle of God’s word, and to vanish in the mixture of their own inventions; so in the inquisition of nature, they ever left the oracle of God’s works, and adored the deceiving and deformed images which the unequal mirror of their own minds, or a few received authors or principles, did represent unto them. And thus much for the second disease of learning.

(8) For the third vice or disease of learning, which concerneth deceit or untruth, it is of all the rest the foulest; as that which doth destroy the essential form of knowledge, which is nothing but a representation of truth: for the truth of being and the truth of knowing are one, differing no more than the direct beam and the beam reflected. This vice therefore brancheth itself into two sorts; delight in deceiving and aptness to be deceived; imposture and credulity; which, although they appear to be of a diverse nature, the one seeming to proceed of cunning and the other of simplicity, yet certainly they do for the most part concur: for, as the verse noteth -

“Percontatorem fugito, nam garrulus idem est,”

an inquisitive man is a prattler; so upon the like reason a credulous man is a deceiver: as we see it in fame, that he that will easily believe rumours will as easily augment rumours and add somewhat to them of his own; which Tacitus wisely noteth, when he saith, Fingunt simul creduntque: so great an affinity hath fiction and belief.

(9) This facility of credit and accepting or admitting things weakly authorised or war-ranted is of two kinds according to the subject: for it is either a belief of history, or, as the lawyers speak, matter of fact; or else of matter of art and opinion. As to the former, we see the experience and inconvenience of this error in ecclesiastical history; which hath too easily received and registered reports and narrations of miracles wrought by martyrs, hermits, or monks of the desert, and other holy men, and their relics, shrines, chapels and images: which though they had a passage for a time by the ignorance of the people, the superstitious simplicity of some and the politic toleration of others holding them but as divine poesies, yet after a period of time, when the mist began to clear up, they grew to be esteemed but as old wives’ fables, impostures of the clergy, illusions of spirits, and badges of Antichrist, to the great scandal and detriment of religion.

(10) So in natural history, we see there hath not been that choice and judgment used as ought to have been; as may appear in the writings of Plinius, Cardanus, Albertus, and divers of the Arabians, being fraught with much fabulous matter, a great part not only untried, but notoriously untrue, to the great derogation of the credit of natural philosophy with the grave and sober kind of wits: wherein the wisdom and integrity of Aristotle is worthy to be observed, that, having made so diligent and exquisite a history of living creatures, hath mingled it sparingly with any vain or feigned matter; and yet on the other side hath cast all prodigious narrations, which he thought worthy the recording, into one book, excellently discerning that matter of manifest truth, such whereupon observation and rule was to be built, was not to be mingled or weakened with matter of doubtful credit; and yet again, that rarities and reports that seem uncredible are not to be suppressed or denied to the memory of men.

(11) And as for the facility of credit which is yielded to arts and opinions, it is likewise of two kinds; either when too much belief is attributed to the arts themselves, or to certain authors in any art. The sciences themselves, which have had better intelligence and confederacy with the imagination of man than with his reason, are three in number: astrology, natural magic, and alchemy; of which sciences, nevertheless, the ends or pretences are noble. For astrology pretendeth to discover that correspondence or concatenation which is between the superior globe and the inferior; natural magic pretendeth to call and reduce natural philosophy from variety of speculations to the magnitude of works; and alchemy pretendeth to make separation of all the unlike parts of bodies which in mixtures of natures are incorporate. But the derivations and prosecutions to these ends, both in the theories and in the practices, are full of error and vanity; which the great professors themselves have sought to veil over and conceal by enigmatical writings, and referring themselves to auricular traditions and such other devices, to save the credit of impostures. And yet surely to alchemy this right is due, that it may be compared to the husbandman whereof Æsop makes the fable; that, when he died, told his sons that he had left unto them gold buried underground in his vineyard; and they digged over all the ground, and gold they found none; but by reason of their stirring and digging the mould about the roots of their vines, they had a great vintage the year following: so assuredly the search and stir to make gold hath brought to light a great number of good and fruitful inventions and experiments, as well for the disclosing of nature as for the use of man’s life.

(12) And as for the overmuch credit that hath been given unto authors in sciences, in making them dictators, that their words should stand, and not consuls, to give advice; the damage is infinite that sciences have received thereby, as the principal cause that hath kept them low at a stay without growth or advancement. For hence it hath come, that in arts mechanical the first deviser comes shortest, and time addeth and perfecteth; but in sciences the first author goeth furthest, and time leeseth and corrupteth. So we see artillery, sailing, printing, and the like, were grossly managed at the first, and by time accommodated and refined; but contrariwise, the philosophies and sciences of Aristotle, Plato, Democritus, Hippocrates, Euclides, Archimedes, of most vigour at the first, and by time degenerate and imbased: whereof the reason is no other, but that in the former many wits and industries have contributed in one; and in the latter many wits and industries have been spent about the wit of some one, whom many times they have rather depraved than illustrated; for, as water will not ascend higher than the level of the first spring-head from whence it descendeth, so knowledge derived from Aristotle, and exempted from liberty of examination, will not rise again higher than the knowledge of Aristotle. And, therefore, although the position be good, Oportet discentem credere, yet it must be coupled with this, Oportet edoctum judicare; for disciples do owe unto masters only a temporary belief and a suspension of their own judgment till they be fully instructed, and not an absolute resignation or perpetual captivity; and therefore, to conclude this point, I will say no more, but so let great authors have their due, as time, which is the author of authors, be not deprived of his due - which is, further and further to discover truth. Thus have I gone over these three diseases of learning; besides the which there are some other rather peccant humours than formed diseases, which, nevertheless, are not so secret and intrinsic, but that they fall under a popular observation and traducement, and, therefore, are not to be passed over.

V. 

(1) The first of these is the extreme affecting of two extremities: the one antiquity, the other novelty; wherein it seemeth the children of time do take after the nature and malice of the father. For as he devoureth his children, so one of them seeketh to devour and suppress the other; while antiquity envieth there should be new additions, and novelty cannot be content to add but it must deface; surely the advice of the prophet is the true direction in this matter, State super vias antiquas, et videte quænam sit via recta et bona et ambulate in ea. Antiquity deserveth that reverence, that men should make a stand thereupon and discover what is the best way; but when the discovery is well taken, then to make progression. And to speak truly, Antiquitas sæculi juventus mundi. These times are the ancient times, when the world is ancient, and not those which we account ancient ordine retrogrado, by a computation backward from ourselves.

(2) Another error induced by the former is a distrust that anything should be now to be found out, which the world should have missed and passed over so long time: as if the same objection were to be made to time that Lucian maketh to Jupiter and other the heathen gods; of which he wondereth that they begot so many children in old time, and begot none in his time; and asketh whether they were become septuagenary, or whether the law Papia, made against old men’s marriages, had restrained them. So it seemeth men doubt lest time is become past children and generation; wherein contrariwise we see commonly the levity and unconstancy of men’s judgments, which, till a matter be done, wonder that it can be done; and as soon as it is done, wonder again that it was no sooner done: as we see in the expedition of Alexander into Asia, which at first was prejudged as a vast and impossible enterprise; and yet afterwards it pleaseth Livy to make no more of it than this, Nil aliud quàm bene ausus vana contemnere. And the same happened to Columbus in the western navigation. But in intellectual matters it is much more common, as may be seen in most of the propositions of Euclid; which till they be demonstrate, they seem strange to our assent; but being demonstrate, our mind accepteth of them by a kind of relation (as the lawyers speak), as if we had known them before.

(3) Another error, that hath also some affinity with the former, is a conceit that of former opinions or sects after variety and examination the best hath still prevailed and suppressed the rest; so as if a man should begin the labour of a new search, he were but like to light upon somewhat formerly rejected, and by rejection brought into oblivion; as if the multitude, or the wisest for the multitude’s sake, were not ready to give passage rather to that which is popular and superficial than to that which is substantial and profound for the truth is, that time seemeth to be of the nature of a river or stream, which carrieth down to us that which is light and blown up, and sin-keth and drowneth that which is weighty and solid.

(4) Another error, of a diverse nature from all the former, is the over-early and pe-remptory reduction of knowledge into arts and methods; from which time commonly sciences receive small or no augmentation. But as young men, when they knit and shape perfectly, do seldom grow to a further stature, so knowledge, while it is in aphorisms and observations, it is in growth; but when it once is comprehended in exact methods, it may, perchance, be further polished, and illustrate and accommodated for use and practice, but it increaseth no more in bulk and substance.

(5) Another error which doth succeed that which we last mentioned is, that after the distribution of particular arts and sciences, men have abandoned universality, or phi-losophia prima, which cannot but cease and stop all progression. For no perfect dis-covery can be made upon a flat or a level; neither is it possible to discover the more remote and deeper parts of any science if you stand but upon the level of the same science, and ascend not to a higher science.

(6) Another error hath proceeded from too great a reverence, and a kind of adoration of the mind and understanding of man; by means whereof, men have withdrawn themselves too much from the contemplation of nature, and the observations of experience, and have tumbled up and down in their own reason and conceits. Upon these intellectualists, which are notwithstanding commonly taken for the most sublime and divine philosophers, Heraclitus gave a just censure, saying: - “Men sought truth in their own little worlds, and not in the great and common world;” for they disdain to spell, and so by degrees to read in the volume of God’s works; and contrariwise by continual meditation and agitation of wit do urge and, as it were, invocate their own spirits to divine and give oracles unto them, whereby they are deservedly deluded.

(7) Another error that hath some connection with this latter is, that men have used to infect their meditations, opinions, and doctrines with some conceits which they have most admired, or some sciences which they have most applied, and given all things else a tincture according to them, utterly untrue and improper. So hath Plato intermingled his philosophy with theology, and Aristotle with logic; and the second school of Plato, Proclus and the rest, with the mathematics; for these were the arts which had a kind of primogeniture with them severally. So have the alchemists made a philosophy out of a few experiments of the furnace; and Gilbertus our countryman hath made a philosophy out of the observations of a loadstone. So Cicero, when reciting the several opinions of the nature of the soul, he found a musician that held the soul was but a harmony, saith pleasantly, Hic ab arte sua non recessit, &amp;c. But of these conceits Aristotle speaketh seriously and wisely when he saith, Qui respiciunt ad pauca de facili pronunciant.

(8) Another error is an impatience of doubt, and haste to assertion without due and mature suspension of judgment. For the two ways of contemplation are not unlike the two ways of action commonly spoken of by the ancients: the one plain and smooth in the beginning, and in the end impassable; the other rough and troublesome in the entrance, but after a while fair and even. So it is in contemplation: if a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.

(9) Another error is in the manner of the tradition and delivery of knowledge, which is for the most part magistral and peremptory, and not ingenuous and faithful; in a sort as may be soonest believed, and not easiest examined. It is true, that in compendious treatises for practice that form is not to be disallowed; but in the true handling of knowledge men ought not to fall either on the one side into the vein of Velleius the Epicurean, Nil tam metuens quam ne dubitare aliqua de revideretur: nor, on the other side, into Socrates, his ironical doubting of all things; but to propound things sincerely with more or less asseveration, as they stand in a man’s own judgment proved more or less.

(10) Other errors there are in the scope that men propound to themselves, whereunto they bend their endeavours; for, whereas the more constant and devote kind of professors of any science ought to propound to themselves to make some additions to their science, they convert their labours to aspire to certain second prizes: as to be a profound interpreter or commentor, to be a sharp champion or defender, to be a methodical compounder or abridger, and so the patrimony of knowledge cometh to be sometimes improved, but seldom augmented.

(11) But the greatest error of all the rest is the mistaking or misplacing of the last or furthest end of knowledge. For men have entered into a desire of learning and knowledge, sometimes upon a natural curiosity and inquisitive appetite; sometimes to entertain their minds with variety and delight; sometimes for ornament and reputation; and sometimes to enable them to victory of wit and contradiction; and most times for lucre and profession; and seldom sincerely to give a true account of their gift of reason to the benefit and use of men: as if there were sought in knowledge a couch whereupon to rest a searching and restless spirit; or a terrace for a wandering and variable mind to walk up and down with a fair prospect; or a tower of state, for a proud mind to raise itself upon; or a fort or commanding ground, for strife and con-tention; or a shop, for profit or sale; and not a rich storehouse for the glory of the Creator and the relief of man’s estate. But this is that which will indeed dignify and exalt knowledge, if contemplation and action may be more nearly and straitly conjoined and united together than they have been: a conjunction like unto that of the two highest planets, Saturn, the planet of rest and contemplation; and Jupiter, the planet of civil society and action, howbeit, I do not mean, when I speak of use and action, that end before-mentioned of the applying of knowledge to lucre and profession; for I am not ignorant how much that diverteth and interrupteth the prosecution and advancement of knowledge, like unto the golden ball thrown before Atalanta, which, while she goeth aside and stoopeth to take up, the race is hindered,

“Declinat cursus, aurumque volubile tollit.” 

Neither is my meaning, as was spoken of Socrates, to call philosophy down from heaven to converse upon the earth - that is, to leave natural philosophy aside, and to apply knowledge only to manners and policy. But as both heaven and earth do conspire and contribute to the use and benefit of man, so the end ought to be, from both philosophies to separate and reject vain speculations, and whatsoever is empty and void, and to preserve and augment whatsoever is solid and fruitful; that knowledge may not be as a courtesan, for pleasure and vanity only, or as a bond-woman, to acquire and gain to her master’s use; but as a spouse, for generation, fruit, and comfort.

(12) Thus have I described and opened, as by a kind of dissection, those peccant humours (the principal of them) which have not only given impediment to the profi-cience of learning, but have given also occasion to the traducement thereof: wherein, if I have been too plain, it must be remembered, fidelia vulnera amantis, sed dolosa oscula malignantis. This I think I have gained, that I ought to be the better believed in that which I shall say pertaining to commendation; because I have proceeded so freely in that which concerneth censure. And yet I have no purpose to enter into a laudative of learning, or to make a hymn to the Muses (though I am of opinion that it is long since their rites were duly celebrated), but my intent is, without varnish or amplification justly to weigh the dignity of knowledge in the balance with other things, and to take the true value thereof by testimonies and arguments, divine and human.

VI. 

(1) First, therefore, let us seek the dignity of knowledge in the archetype or first plat-form, which is in the attributes and acts of God, as far as they are revealed to man and may be observed with sobriety; wherein we may not seek it by the name of learning, for all learning is knowledge acquired, and all knowledge in God is original, and therefore we must look for it by another name, that of wisdom or sapience, as the Scriptures call it.

(2) It is so, then, that in the work of the creation we see a double emanation of virtue from God; the one referring more properly to power, the other to wisdom; the one expressed in making the subsistence of the matter, and the other in disposing the beauty of the form. This being supposed, it is to be observed that for anything which appeareth in the history of the creation, the confused mass and matter of heaven and earth was made in a moment, and the order and disposition of that chaos or mass was the work of six days; such a note of difference it pleased God to put upon the works of power, and the works of wisdom; wherewith concurreth, that in the former it is not set down that God said, “Let there be heaven and earth,” as it is set down of the works following; but actually, that God made heaven and earth: the one carrying the style of a manufacture, and the other of a law, decree, or counsel.

(3) To proceed, to that which is next in order from God, to spirits: we find, as far as credit is to be given to the celestial hierarchy of that supposed Dionysius, the senator of Athens, the first place or degree is given to the angels of love, which are termed seraphim; the second to the angels of light, which are termed cherubim; and the third, and so following places, to thrones, principalities, and the rest, which are all angels of power and ministry; so as this angels of knowledge and illumination are placed before the angels of office and domination.

(4) To descend from spirits and intellectual forms to sensible and material forms, we read the first form that was created was light, which hath a relation and correspondence in nature and corporal things to knowledge in spirits and incorporal things.

(5) So in the distribution of days we see the day wherein God did rest and contemplate His own works was blessed above all the days wherein He did effect and accomplish them.

(6) After the creation was finished, it is set down unto us that man was placed in the garden to work therein; which work, so appointed to him, could be no other than work of contemplation; that is, when the end of work is but for exercise and expe-riment, not for necessity; for there being then no reluctation of the creature, nor sweat of the brow, man’s employment must of consequence have been matter of delight in the experiment, and not matter of labour for the use. Again, the first acts which man performed in Paradise consisted of the two summary parts of knowledge; the view of creatures, and the imposition of names. As for the knowledge which induced the fall, it was, as was touched before, not the natural knowledge of creatures, but the moral knowledge of good and evil; wherein the supposition was, that God’s commandments or prohibitions were not the originals of good and evil, but that they had other beginnings, which man aspired to know, to the end to make a total defection from God and to depend wholly upon himself.

(7) To pass on: in the first event or occurrence after the fall of man, we see (as the Scriptures have infinite mysteries, not violating at all the truth of this story or letter) an image of the two estates, the contemplative state and the active state, figured in the two persons of Abel and Cain, and in the two simplest and most primitive trades of life; that of the shepherd (who, by reason of his leisure, rest in a place, and lying in view of heaven, is a lively image of a contemplative life), and that of the husbandman, where we see again the favour and election of God went to the shepherd, and not to the tiller of the ground.

(8) So in the age before the flood, the holy records within those few memorials which are there entered and registered have vouchsafed to mention and honour the name of the inventors and authors of music and works in metal. In the age after the flood, the first great judgment of God upon the ambition of man was the confusion of tongues; whereby the open trade and intercourse of learning and knowledge was chiefly imbarred.

(9) To descend to Moses the lawgiver, and God’s first pen: he is adorned by the Scriptures with this addition and commendation, “That he was seen in all the learning of the Egyptians,” which nation we know was one of the most ancient schools of the world: for so Plato brings in the Egyptian priest saying unto Solon, “You Grecians are ever children; you have no knowledge of antiquity, nor antiquity of knowledge.” Take a view of the ceremonial law of Moses; you shall find, besides the prefiguration of Christ, the badge or difference of the people of God, the exercise and impression of obedience, and other divine uses and fruits thereof, that some of the most learned Rabbins have travailed profitably and profoundly to observe, some of them a natural, some of them a moral sense, or reduction of many of the ceremonies and ordinances. As in the law of the leprosy, where it is said, “If the whiteness have overspread the flesh, the patient may pass abroad for clean; but if there be any whole flesh remaining, he is to be shut up for unclean;” one of them noteth a principle of nature, that putrefaction is more contagious before maturity than after; and another noteth a position of moral philosophy, that men abandoned to vice do not so much corrupt manners, as those that are half good and half evil. So in this and very many other places in that law, there is to be found, besides the theological sense, much aspersion of philosophy.

(10) So likewise in that excellent hook of Job, if it be revolved with diligence, it will be found pregnant and swelling with natural philosophy; as for example, cosmography, and the roundness of the world, Qui extendit aquilonem super vacuum, et appendit terram super nihilum; wherein the pensileness of the earth, the pole of the north, and the finiteness or convexity of heaven are manifestly touched. So again, matter of astronomy: Spiritus ejus ornavit cælos, et obstetricante manu ejus eductus est Coluber tortuoses. And in another place, Nunquid conjungere valebis micantes stellas Pleiadas, aut gyrum Arcturi poteris dissipare? Where the fixing of the stars, ever standing at equal distance, is with great elegancy noted. And in another place, Qui facit Arcturum, et Oriona, et Hyadas, et interiora Austri; where again he takes knowledge of the depression of the southern pole, calling it the secrets of the south, because the southern stars were in that climate unseen. Matter of generation: Annon sicut lac mulsisti me, et sicut caseum coagulasti me? &amp;c. Matter of minerals: Habet argentum venarum suarum principia; et auro locus est in quo conflatur, ferrum de terra tollitur, et lapis solutus calore in æs vertitur; and so forwards in that chapter.

(11) So likewise in the person of Solomon the king, we see the gift or endowment of wisdom and learning, both in Solomon’s petition and in God’s assent thereunto, pre-ferred before all other terrene and temporal felicity. By virtue of which grant or donative of God Solomon became enabled not only to write those excellent parables or aphorisms concerning divine and moral philosophy, but also to compile a natural his-tory of all verdure, from the cedar upon the mountain to the moss upon the wall (which is but a rudiment between putrefaction and an herb), and also of all things that breathe or move. Nay, the same Solomon the king, although he excelled in the glory of treasure and magnificent buildings, of shipping and navigation, of service and attendance, of fame and renown, and the like, yet he maketh no claim to any of those glories, but only to the glory of inquisition of truth; for so he saith expressly, “The glory of God is to conceal a thing, but the glory of the king is to find it out;” as if, according to the innocent play of children, the Divine Majesty took delight to hide His works, to the end to have them found out; and as if kings could not obtain a greater honour than to be God’s playfellows in that game; considering the great commandment of wits and means, whereby nothing needeth to be hidden from them.

(12) Neither did the dispensation of God vary in the times after our Saviour came into the world; for our Saviour himself did first show His power to subdue ignorance, by His conference with the priests and doctors of the law, before He showed His power to subdue nature by His miracles. And the coming of this Holy Spirit was chiefly figured and expressed in the similitude and gift of tongues, which are but vehicula scientiæ.

(13) So in the election of those instruments, which it pleased God to use for the plantation of the faith, notwithstanding that at the first He did employ persons alto-gether unlearned, otherwise than by inspiration, more evidently to declare His imme-diate working, and to abase all human wisdom or knowledge; yet nevertheless that counsel of His was no sooner performed, but in the next vicissitude and succession He did send His divine truth into the world, waited on with other learnings, as with servants or handmaids: for so we see St. Paul, who was only learned amongst the Apostles, had his pen most used in the Scriptures of the New Testament.

(14) So again we find that many of the ancient bishops and fathers of the Church were excellently read and studied in all the learning of this heathen; insomuch that the edict of the Emperor Julianus (whereby it was interdicted unto Christians to be admitted into schools, lectures, or exercises of learning) was esteemed and accounted a more pernicious engine and machination against the Christian Faith than were all the sanguinary prosecutions of his predecessors; neither could the emulation and jealousy of Gregory, the first of that name, Bishop of Rome, ever obtain the opinion of piety or devotion; but contrariwise received the censure of humour, malignity, and pusillanimity, even amongst holy men; in that he designed to obliterate and extinguish the memory of heathen antiquity and authors. But contrariwise it was the Christian Church, which, amidst the inundations of the Scythians on the one side from the north-west, and the Saracens from the east, did preserve in the sacred lap and bosom thereof the precious relics even of heathen learning, which otherwise had been extinguished, as if no such thing had ever been.

(15) And we see before our eyes, that in the age of ourselves and our fathers, when it pleased God to call the Church of Rome to account for their degenerate manners and ceremonies, and sundry doctrines obnoxious and framed to uphold the same abuses; at one and the same time it was ordained by the Divine Providence that there should attend withal a renovation and new spring of all other knowledges. And on the other side we see the Jesuits, who partly in themselves, and partly by the emulation and provocation of their example, have much quickened and strengthened the state of learning; we see (I say) what notable service and reparation they have done to the Roman see.

(16) Wherefore, to conclude this part, let it be observed, that there be two principal duties and services, besides ornament and illustration, which philosophy and human learning do perform to faith and religion. The one, because they are an effectual in-ducement to the exaltation of the glory of God. For as the Psalms and other Scriptures do often invite us to consider and magnify the great and wonderful works of God, so if we should rest only in the contemplation of the exterior of them as they first offer themselves to our senses, we should do a like injury unto the majesty of God, as if we should judge or construe of the store of some excellent jeweller by that only which is set out toward the street in his shop. The other, because they minister a singular help and preservative against unbelief and error. For our Saviour saith, “You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God;” laying before us two books or volumes to study, if we will be secured from error: first the Scriptures, revealing the will of God, and then the creatures expressing His power; whereof the latter is a key unto the former: not only opening our understanding to conceive the true sense of the Scriptures by the general notions of reason and rules of speech, but chiefly opening our belief, in drawing us into a due meditation of the omnipotency of God, which is chiefly signed and engraven upon His works. Thus much therefore for divine testimony and evidence concerning the true dignity and value of learning.

VII. 

(1) As for human proofs, it is so large a field, as in a discourse of this nature and brevity it is fit rather to use choice of those things which we shall produce, than to embrace the variety of them. First, therefore, in the degrees of human honour amongst the heathen, it was the highest to obtain to a veneration and adoration as a God. This unto the Christians is as the forbidden fruit. But we speak now separately of human testimony, according to which - that which the Grecians call apotheosis, and the Latins relatio inter divos - was the supreme honour which man could attribute unto man, specially when it was given, not by a formal decree or act of state (as it was used among the Roman Emperors), but by an inward assent and belief. Which honour, being so high, had also a degree or middle term; for there were reckoned above human honours, honours heroical and divine: in the attribution and distribution of which honours we see antiquity made this difference; that whereas founders and uniters of states and cities, lawgivers, extirpers of tyrants, fathers of the people, and other eminent persons in civil merit, were honoured but with the titles of worthies or demigods, such as were Hercules, Theseus, Minus, Romulus, and the like; on the other side, such as were inventors and authors of new arts, endowments, and commodities towards man’s life, were ever consecrated amongst the gods themselves, as was Ceres, Bacchus, Mercurius, Apollo, and others. And justly; for the merit of the former is confined within the circle of an age or a nation, and is like fruitful showers, which though they be profitable and good, yet serve but for that season, and for a latitude of ground where they fall; but the other is, indeed, like the benefits of heaven, which are permanent and universal. The former again is mixed with strife and perturbation, but the latter hath the true character of Divine Presence, coming in aura leni, without noise or agitation.

(2) Neither is certainly that other merit of learning, in repressing the inconveniences which grow from man to man, much inferior to the former, of relieving the necessities which arise from nature, which merit was lively set forth by the ancients in that feigned relation of Orpheus’ theatre, where all beasts and birds assembled, and, forgetting their several appetites - some of prey, some of game, some of quarrel - stood all sociably together listening unto the airs and accords of the harp, the sound whereof no sooner ceased, or was drowned by some louder noise, but every beast returned to his own nature; wherein is aptly described the nature and condition of men, who are full of savage and unreclaimed desires, of profit, of lust, of revenge; which as long as they give ear to precepts, to laws, to religion, sweetly touched with eloquence and persuasion of books, of sermons, of harangues, so long is society and peace maintained; but if these instruments be silent, or that sedition and tumult make them not audible, all things dissolve into anarchy and confusion.

(3) But this appeareth more manifestly when kings themselves, or persons of authority under them, or other governors in commonwealths and popular estates, are endued with learning. For although he might be thought partial to his own profession that said “Then should people and estates be happy when either kings were philosophers, or philosophers kings;” yet so much is verified by experience, that under learned princes and governors there have been ever the best times: for howsoever kings may have their imperfections in their passions and customs, yet, if they be illuminate by learning, they have those notions of religion, policy, and morality, which do preserve them and refrain them from all ruinous and peremptory errors and excesses, whispering evermore in their ears, when counsellors and servants stand mute and silent. And senators or counsellors, likewise, which be learned, to proceed upon more safe and substantial principles, than counsellors which are only men of experience; the one sort keeping dangers afar off, whereas the other discover them not till they come near hand, and then trust to the agility of their wit to ward or avoid them.

(4) Which felicity of times under learned princes (to keep still the law of brevity, by using the most eminent and selected examples) doth best appear in the age which passed from the death of Domitianus the emperor until the reign of Commodus; comprehending a succession of six princes, all learned, or singular favourers and ad-vancers of learning, which age for temporal respects was the most happy and flou-rishing that ever the Roman Empire (which then was a model of the world) enjoyed - a matter revealed and prefigured unto Domitian in a dream the night before he was slain: for he thought there was grown behind upon his shoulders a neck and a head of gold, which came accordingly to pass in those golden times which succeeded; of which princes we will make some commemoration; wherein, although the matter will be vulgar, and may be thought fitter for a declamation than agreeable to a treatise infolded as this is, yet, because it is pertinent to the point in hand - Neque semper arcum tendit Apollo - and to name them only were too naked and cursory, I will not omit it altogether. The first was Nerva, the excellent temper of whose government is by a glance in Cornelius Tacitus touched to the life: Postquam divus Nerva res oluim insociabiles miscuisset, imperium et libertatem. And in token of his learning, the last act of his short reign left to memory was a missive to his adopted son, Trajan, pro-ceeding upon some inward discontent at the ingratitude of the times, comprehended in a verse of Homer’s -

“Telis, Phœbe, tuis, lacrymas ulciscere nostras.”

(5) Trajan, who succeeded, was for his person not learned; but if we will hearken to the speech of our Saviour, that saith, “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall have a prophet’s reward,” he deserveth to be placed amongst the most learned princes; for there was not a greater admirer of learning or benefactor of learning, a founder of famous libraries, a perpetual advancer of learned men to office, and familiar converser with learned professors and preceptors who were noted to have then most credit in court. On the other side how much Trajan’s virtue and government was admired and renowned, surely no testimony of grave and faithful history doth more lively set forth than that legend tale of Gregorius Magnum, Bishop of Rome, who was noted for the extreme envy he bare towards all heathen excellency; and yet he is reported, out of the love and estimation of Trajan’s moral virtues, to have made unto God passionate and fervent prayers for the delivery of his soul out of hell, and to have obtained it, with a caveat that he should make no more such petitions. In this prince’s time also the persecutions against the Christians received intermission upon the certificate of Plinius Secundus, a man of excellent learning and by Trajan advanced.

(6) Adrian, his successor, was the most curious man that lived, and the most universal inquirer: insomuch as it was noted for an error in his mind that he desired to com-prehend all things, and not to reserve himself for the worthiest things, falling into the like humour that was long before noted in Philip of Macedon, who, when he would needs overrule and put down an excellent musician in an argument touching music, was well answered by him again - “God forbid, sir,” saith he, “that your fortune should be so bad as to know these things better than I.” It pleased God likewise to use the curiosity of this emperor as an inducement to the peace of His Church in those days; for having Christ in veneration, not as a God or Saviour, but as a wonder or novelty, and having his picture in his gallery matched with Apollonius (with whom in his vain imagination he thought its had some conformity), yet it served the turn to allay the bitter hatred of those times against the Christian name, so as the Church had peace during his time. And for his government civil, although he did not attain to that of Trajan’s in glory of arms or perfection of justice, yet in deserving of the weal of the subject he did exceed him. For Trajan erected many famous monuments and buildings, insomuch as Constantine the Great in emulation was wont to call him Parietaria, “wall-flower,” because his name was upon so many walls; but his buildings and works were more of glory and triumph than use and necessity. But Adrian spent his whole reign, which was peaceable, in a perambulation or survey of the Roman Empire, giving order and making assignation where he went for re-edifying of cities, towns, and forts decayed, and for cutting of rivers and streams, and for making bridges and passages, and for policing of cities and commonalties with new ordinances and constitutions, and granting new franchises and incorporations; so that his whole time was a very restoration of all the lapses and decays of former times.

(7) Antoninus Pius, who succeeded him, was a prince excellently learned, and had the patient and subtle wit of a schoolman, insomuch as in common speech (which leaves no virtue untaxed) he was called Cymini Sector, a carver or a divider of cummin seed, which is one of the least seeds. Such a patience he had and settled spirit to enter into the least and most exact differences of causes, a fruit no doubt of the exceeding tranquillity and serenity of his mind, which being no ways charged or encumbered, either with fears, remorses, or scruples, but having been noted for a man of the purest goodness, without all fiction or affectation, that hath reigned or lived, made his mind continually present and entire. He likewise approached a degree nearer unto Christianity, and became, as Agrippa said unto St. Paul, “half a Christian,” holding their religion and law in good opinion, and not only ceasing persecution, but giving way to the advancement of Christians.

(5) There succeeded him the first Divi fratres, the two adoptive brethren - Lucius Commodus Verus, son to Ælius Verus, who delighted much in the softer kind of learning, and was wont to call the poet Martial his Virgil; and Marcus Aurelius Anto-ninus: whereof the latter, who obscured his colleague and survived him long, was named the “Philosopher,” who, as he excelled all the rest in learning, so he excelled them likewise in perfection of all royal virtues; insomuch as Julianus the emperor, in his book entitled Cærsares, being as a pasquil or satire to deride all his predecessors, feigned that they were all invited to a banquet of the gods, and Silenus the jester sat at the nether end of the table and bestowed a scoff on everyone as they came in; but when Marcus Philosophus came in, Silenus was gravelled and out of countenance, not knowing where to carp at him, save at the last he gave a glance at his patience towards his wife. And the virtue of this prince, continued with that of his predecessor, made the name of Antoninus so sacred in the world, that though it were extremely dishonoured in Commodus, Caracalla, and Heliogabalus, who all bare the name, yet, when Alexander Severus refused the name because he was a stranger to the family, the Senate with one acclamation said, Quomodo Augustus, sic et Antoninus. In such renown and veneration was the name of these two princes in those days, that they would have had it as a perpetual addition in all the emperors’ style. In this emperor’s time also the Church for the most part was in peace; so as in this sequence of six princes we do see the blessed effects of learning in sovereignty, painted forth in the greatest table of the world.

(9) But for a tablet or picture of smaller volume (not presuming to speak of your Majesty that liveth), in my judgment the most excellent is that of Queen Elizabeth, your immediate predecessor in this part of Britain; a prince that, if Plutarch were now alive to write lives by parallels, would trouble him, I think, to find for her a parallel amongst women. This lady was endued with learning in her sex singular, and rare even amongst masculine princes - whether we speak of learning, of language, or of science, modern or ancient, divinity or humanity - and unto the very last year of her life she accustomed to appoint set hours for reading, scarcely any young student in a university more daily or more duly. As for her government, I assure myself (I shall not exceed if I do affirm) that this part of the island never had forty-five years of better tines, and yet not through the calmness of the season, but through the wisdom of her regiment. For if there be considered, of the one side, the truth of religion established, the constant peace and security, the good administration of justice, the temperate use of the prerogative, not slackened, nor much strained; the flourishing state of learning, sortable to so excellent a patroness; the convenient estate of wealth and means, both of crown and subject; the habit of obedience, and the moderation of discontents; and there be considered, on the other side, the differences of religion, the troubles of neighbour countries, the ambition of Spain, and opposition of Rome, and then that she was solitary and of herself; these things, I say, considered, as I could not have chosen an instance so recent and so proper, so I suppose I could not have chosen one more remarkable or eminent to the purpose now in hand, which is concerning the conjunction of learning in the prince with felicity in the people.

(10) Neither hath learning an influence and operation only upon civil merit and moral virtue, and the arts or temperature of peace and peaceable government; but likewise it hath no less power and efficacy in enablement towards martial and military virtue and prowess, as may be notably represented in the examples of Alexander the Great and Cæsar the Dictator (mentioned before, but now in fit place to be resumed), of whose virtues and acts in war there needs no note or recital, having been the wonders of time in that kind; but of their affections towards learning and perfections in learning it is pertinent to say somewhat.

(11) Alexander was bred and taught under Aristotle, the great philosopher, who dedi-cated divers of his books of philosophy unto him; he was attended with Callisthenes and divers other learned persons, that followed him in camp, throughout his journeys and conquests. What price and estimation he had learning in doth notably appear in these three particulars: first, in the envy he used to express that he bare towards Achilles, in this, that he had so good a trumpet of his praises as Homer’s verses; se-condly, in the judgment or solution he gave touching that precious cabinet of Darius, which was found among his jewels (whereof question was made what thing was wor-thy to be put into it, and he gave his opinion for Homer’s works); thirdly, in his letter to Aristotle, after he had set forth his books of nature, wherein he expostulateth with him for publishing the secrets or mysteries of philosophy; and gave him to understand that himself esteemed it more to excel other men in learning and knowledge than in power and empire. And what use he had of learning doth appear, or rather shine, in all his speeches and answers, being full of science and use of science, and that in all variety.

(12) And herein again it may seem a thing scholastical, and somewhat idle to recite things that every man knoweth; but yet, since the argument I handle leadeth me the-reunto, I am glad that men shall perceive I am as willing to flatter (if they will so call it) an Alexander, or a Cæsar, or an Antoninus, that are dead many hundred years since, as any that now liveth; for it is the displaying of the glory of learning in sovereignty that I propound to myself, and not a humour of declaiming in any man’s praises. Observe, then, the speech he used of Diogenes, and see if it tend not to the true state of one of the greatest questions of moral philosophy: whether the enjoying of outward things, or the contemning of them, be the greatest happiness; for when he saw Diogenes so perfectly contented with so little, he said to those that mocked at his condition, “were I not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes.” But Seneca inverteth it, and saith, “Plus erat, quod hic nollet accipere, quàm quod ille posset dare.” There were more things which Diogenes would have refused than those were which Alexander could have given or enjoyed.

(13) Observe, again, that speech which was usual with him, - “That he felt his mortality chiefly in two things, sleep and lust;” and see if it were not a speech extracted out of the depth of natural philosophy, and liker to have come out of the mouth of Aristotle or Democritus than from Alexander.

(14) See, again, that speech of humanity and poesy, when, upon the bleeding of his wounds, he called unto him one of his flatterers, that was wont to ascribe to him di-vine honour, and said, “Look, this is very blood; this is not such a liquor as Homer speaketh of, which ran from Venus’ hand when it was pierced by Diomedes.”

(15) See likewise his readiness in reprehension of logic in the speech he used to Cas-sander, upon a complaint that was made against his father Antipater; for when Alex-ander happened to say, “Do you think these men would have come from so far to complain except they had just cause of grief?” and Cassander answered, “Yea, that was the matter, because they thought they should not be disproved;” said Alexander, laughing, “See the subtleties of Aristotle, to take a matter both ways, pro et contra, &amp;c.”

(16) But note, again, how well he could use the same art which he reprehended to serve his own humour: when bearing a secret grudge to Callisthenes, because he was against the new ceremony of his adoration, feasting one night where the same Callisthenes was at the table, it was moved by some after supper, for entertainment sake, that Callisthenes, who was an eloquent man, might speak of some theme or purpose at his own choice; which Callisthenes did, choosing the praise of the Macedonian nation for his discourse, and performing the same with so good manner as the hearers were much ravished; whereupon Alexander, nothing pleased, said, “It was easy to be eloquent upon so good a subject; but,” saith he, “turn your style, and let us hear what you can say against us;” which Callisthenes presently undertook, and did with that sting and life that Alexander interrupted him, and said, “The goodness of the cause made him eloquent before, and despite made him eloquent then again.”

(17) Consider further, for tropes of rhetoric, that excellent use of a metaphor or translation, wherewith he taxeth Antipater, who was an imperious and tyrannous governor; for when one of Antipater’s friends commended him to Alexander for his moderation, that he did not degenerate as his other lieutenants did into the Persian pride, in uses of purple, but kept the ancient habit of Macedon, of black. “True,” saith Alexander; “but Antipater is all purple within.” Or that other, when Parmenio came to him in the plain of Arbela and showed him the innumerable multitude of his enemies, specially as they appeared by the infinite number of lights as it had been a new firmament of stars, and thereupon advised him to assail them by night; whereupon he answered, “That he would not steal the victory.”

(18) For matter of policy, weigh that significant distinction, so much in all ages em-braced, that he made between his two friends Hephæstion and Craterus, when he said, “That the one loved Alexander, and the other loved the king:” describing the principal difference of princes’ best servants, that some in affection love their person, and other in duty love their crown.

(19) Weigh also that excellent taxation of an error, ordinary with counsellors of princes, that they counsel their masters according to the model of their own mind and fortune, and not of their masters. When upon Darius’ great offers Parmenio had said, “Surely I would accept these offers were I as Alexander;” saith Alexander, “So would I were I as Parmenio.”

(20) Lastly, weigh that quick and acute reply which he made when he gave so large gifts to his friends and servants, and was asked what he did reserve for himself, and he answered, “Hope.” Weigh, I say, whether he had not cast up his account aright, because hope must be the portion of all that resolve upon great enterprises; for this was Cæsar’s portion when he went first into Gaul, his estate being then utterly overthrown with largesses. And this was likewise the portion of that noble prince, howsoever transported with ambition, Henry Duke of Guise, of whom it was usually said that he was the greatest usurer in France, because he had turned all his estate into obligations.

(21) To conclude, therefore, as certain critics are used to say hyperbolically, “That if all sciences were lost they might be found in Virgil,” so certainly this may be said truly, there are the prints and footsteps of learning in those few speeches which are reported of this prince, the admiration of whom, when I consider him not as Alexander the Great, but as Aristotle’s scholar, hath carried me too far.

(22) As for Julius Cæsar, the excellency of his learning needeth not to be argued from his education, or his company, or his speeches; but in a further degree doth declare itself in his writings and works: whereof some are extant and permanent, and some unfortunately perished. For first, we see there is left unto us that excellent history of his own wars, which he entitled only a Commentary, wherein all succeeding times have admired the solid weight of matter, and the real passages and lively images of actions and persons, expressed in the greatest propriety of words and perspicuity of narration that ever was; which that it was not the effect of a natural gift, but of learning and precept, is well witnessed by that work of his entitled De Analogia, being a grammatical philosophy, wherein he did labour to make this same Vox ad placitum to become Vox ad licitum, and to reduce custom of speech to congruity of speech; and took as it were the pictures of words from the life of reason.

(23) So we receive from him, as a monument both of his power and learning, the then reformed computation of the year; well expressing that he took it to be as great a glory to himself to observe and know the law of the heavens, as to give law to men upon the earth.

(24) So likewise in that book of his, Anti-Cato, it may easily appear that he did aspire as well to victory of wit as victory of war: undertaking therein a conflict against the greatest champion with the pen that then lived, Cicero the orator.

(25) So, again, in his book of Apophthegms, which he collected, we see that he es-teemed it more honour to make himself but a pair of tables, to take the wise and pithy words of others, than to have every word of his own to be made an apophthegm or an oracle, as vain princes, by custom of flattery, pretend to do. And yet if I should enumerate divers of his speeches, as I did those of Alexander, they are truly such as Solomon noteth, when he saith, Verba sapientum tanquam aculei, et tanquam clavi in altum defixi: whereof I will only recite three, not so delectable for elegancy, but ad-mirable for vigour and efficacy.

(26) As first, it is reason he be thought a master of words, that could with one word appease a mutiny in his army, which was thus: The Romans, when their generals did speak to their army, did use the word Milites, but when the magistrates spake to the people they did use the word Quirites. The soldiers were in tumult, and seditiously prayed to be cashiered; not that they so meant, but by expostulation thereof to draw Cæsar to other conditions; wherein he being resolute not to give way, after some si-lence, he began his speech, Ego Quirites, which did admit them already cashiered - wherewith they were so surprised, crossed, and confused, as they would not suffer him to go on in his speech, but relinquished their demands, and made it their suit to be again called by the name of Milites.

(27) The second speech was thus: Cæsar did extremely affect the name of king; and some were set on as he passed by in popular acclamation to salute him king. Whe-reupon, finding the cry weak and poor, he put it off thus, in a kind of jest, as if they had mistaken his surname: Non Rex sum, sed Cæsar; a speech that, if it be searched, the life and fulness of it can scarce be expressed. For, first, it was a refusal of the name, but yet not serious; again, it did signify an infinite confidence and magnanimity, as if he presumed Cæsar was the greater title, as by his worthiness it is come to pass till this day. But chiefly it was a speech of great allurement toward his own purpose, as if the state did strive with him but for a name, whereof mean families were vested; for Rex was a surname with the Romans, as well as King is with us.

(28) The last speech which I will mention was used to Metellus, when Cæsar, after war declared, did possess himself of this city of Rome; at which time, entering into the inner treasury to take the money there accumulate, Metellus, being tribune, forbade him. Whereto Cæsar said, “That if he did not desist, he would lay him dead in the place.” And presently taking himself up, he added, “Young man, it is harder for me to speak it than to do it - Adolescens, durius est mihi hoc dicere quàm facere.” A speech compounded of the greatest terror and greatest clemency that could proceed out of the mouth of man.

(29) But to return and conclude with him, it is evident himself knew well his own perfection in learning, and took it upon him, as appeared when upon occasion that some spake what a strange resolution it was in Lucius Sylla to resign his dictators, he, scoffing at him to his own advantage, answered, “That Sylla could not skill of letters, and therefore knew not how to dictate.”

(30) And here it were fit to leave this point, touching the concurrence of military virtue and learning (for what example should come with any grace after those two of Alexander and Cæsar?), were it not in regard of the rareness of circumstance, that I find in one other particular, as that which did so suddenly pass from extreme scorn to extreme wonder: and it is of Xenophon the philosopher, who went from Socrates’ school into Asia in the expedition of Cyrus the younger against King Artaxerxes. This Xenophon at that time was very young, and never had seen the wars before, neither had any command in the army, but only followed the war as a voluntary, for the love and conversation of Proxenus, his friend. He was present when Falinus came in message from the great king to the Grecians, after that Cyrus was slain in the field, and they, a handful of men, left to themselves in the midst of the king’s territories, cut off from their country by many navigable rivers and many hundred miles. The message imported that they should deliver up their arms and submit themselves to the king’s mercy. To which message, before answer was made, divers of the army conferred familiarly with Falinus; and amongst the rest Xenophon happened to say, “Why, Falinus, we have now but these two things left, our arms and our virtue; and if we yield up our arms, how shall we make use of our virtue?” Whereto Falinus, smiling on him, said, “If I be not deceived, young gentleman, you are an Athenian, and I believe you study philosophy, and it is pretty that you say; but you are much abused if you think your virtue can withstand the king’s power.” Here was the scorn; the wonder followed: which was that this young scholar or philosopher, after all the captains were murdered in parley by treason, conducted those ten thousand foot, through the heart of all the king’s high countries, from Babylon to Græcia in safety, in despite of all the king’s forces, to the astonishment of the world, and the encouragement of the Grecians in times succeeding to make invasion upon the kings of Persia, as was after purposed by Jason the Thessalian, attempted by Agesilaus the Spartan, and achieved by Alexander the Macedonian, all upon the ground of the act of that young scholar.

VIII. 

(1) To proceed now from imperial and military virtue to moral and private virtue; first, it is an assured truth, which is contained in the verses:-

“Scilicet ingenuas didicisse fideliter artes

Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros.”

It taketh away the wildness and barbarism and fierceness of men’s minds; but indeed the accent had need be upon fideliter; for a little superficial learning doth rather work a contrary effect. It taketh away all levity, temerity, and insolency, by copious suggestion of all doubts and difficulties, and acquainting the mind to balance reasons on both sides, and to turn back the first offers and conceits of the mind, and to accept of nothing but examined and tried. It taketh away vain admiration of anything, which is the root of all weakness. For all things are admired, either because they are new, or because they are great. For novelty, no man that wadeth in learning or contemplation thoroughly but will find that printed in his heart, Nil novi super terram. Neither can any man marvel at the play of puppets, that goeth behind the curtain, and adviseth well of the motion. And for magnitude, as Alexander the Great, after that he was used to great armies, and the great conquests of the spacious provinces in Asia, when he received letters out of Greece, of some fights and services there, which were commonly for a passage or a fort, or some walled town at the most, he said: - “It seemed to him that he was advertised of the battles of the frogs and the mice, that the old tales went of.” So certainly, if a man meditate much upon the universal frame of nature, the earth with men upon it (the divineness of souls except) will not seem much other than an ant-hill, whereas some ants carry corn, and some carry their young, and some go empty, and all to and fro a little heap of dust. It taketh away or mitigateth fear of death or adverse fortune, which is one of the greatest impediments of virtue and imperfections of manners. For if a man’s mind be deeply seasoned with the consideration of the mortality and corruptible nature of things, he will easily concur with Epictetus, who went forth one day and saw a woman weeping for her pitcher of earth that was broken, and went forth the next day and saw a woman weeping for her son that was dead, and thereupon said, “Heri vidi fragilem frangi, hodie vidi mortalem mori.” And, therefore, Virgil did excellently and profoundly couple the knowledge of causes and the conquest of all fears together, as concomitantia.

“Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas,

Quique metus omnes, et inexorabile fatum

Subjecit pedibus, strepitumque Acherontis avari.”

(2) It were too long to go over the particular remedies which learning doth minister to all the diseases of the mind: sometimes purging the ill humours, sometimes opening the obstructions, sometimes helping digestion, sometimes increasing appetite, sometimes healing the wounds and exulcerations thereof, and the like; and, therefore, I will conclude with that which hath rationem totius - which is, that it disposeth the constitution of the mind not to be fixed or settled in the defects thereof, but still to be capable and susceptible of growth and reformation. For the unlearned man knows not what it is to descend into himself, or to call himself to account, nor the pleasure of that suavissima vita, indies sentire se fieri meliorem. The good parts he hath he will learn to show to the full, and use them dexterously, but not much to increase them. The faults he hath he will learn how to hide and colour them, but not much to amend them; like an ill mower, that mows on still, and never whets his scythe. Whereas with the learned man it fares otherwise, that he doth ever intermix the correction and amendment of his mind with the use and employment thereof. Nay, further, in general and in sum, certain it is that Veritas and Bonitas differ but as the seal and the print; for truth prints goodness, and they be the clouds of error which descend in the storms of passions and perturbations.

(3) From moral virtue let us pass on to matter of power and commandment, and consider whether in right reason there be any comparable with that wherewith know-ledge investeth and crowneth man’s nature. We see the dignity of the commandment is according to the dignity of the commanded; to have commandment over beasts as herdmen have, is a thing contemptible; to have commandment over children as schoolmasters have, is a matter of small honour; to have commandment over galley-slaves is a disparagement rather than an honour. Neither is the commandment of ty-rants much better, over people which have put off the generosity of their minds; and, therefore, it was ever holden that honours in free monarchies and commonwealths had a sweetness more than in tyrannies, because the commandment extendeth more over the wills of men, and not only over their deeds and services. And therefore, when Virgil putteth himself forth to attribute to Augustus Cæsar the best of human honours, he doth it in these words:-

“Victorque volentes

Per populos dat jura, viamque affectat Olympo.”

But yet the commandment of knowledge is yet higher than the commandment over the will; for it is a commandment over the reason, belief, and understanding of man, which is the highest part of the mind, and giveth law to the will itself. For there is no power on earth which setteth up a throne or chair of estate in the spirits and souls of men, and in their cogitations, imaginations, opinions, and beliefs, but knowledge and learning. And therefore we see the detestable and extreme pleasure that arch-heretics, and false prophets, and impostors are transported with, when they once find in themselves that they have a superiority in the faith and conscience of men; so great as if they have once tasted of it, it is seldom seen that any torture or persecution can make them relinquish or abandon it. But as this is that which the author of the Revelation calleth the depth or profoundness of Satan, so by argument of contraries, the just and lawful sovereignty over men’s understanding, by force of truth rightly interpreted, is that which approacheth nearest to the similitude of the divine rule.

(4) As for fortune and advancement, the beneficence of learning is not so confined to give fortune only to states and commonwealths, as it doth not likewise give fortune to particular persons. For it was well noted long ago, that Homer hath given more men their livings, than either Sylla, or Cæsar, or Augustus ever did, notwithstanding their great largesses and donatives, and distributions of lands to so many legions. And no doubt it is hard to say whether arms or learning have advanced greater numbers. And in case of sovereignty we see, that if arms or descent have carried away the kingdom, yet learning hath carried the priesthood, which ever hath been in some competition with empire.

(5) Again, for the pleasure and delight of knowledge and learning, it far surpasseth all other in nature. For, shall the pleasures of the affections so exceed the pleasure of the sense, as much as the obtaining of desire or victory exceedeth a song or a dinner? and must not of consequence the pleasures of the intellect or understanding exceed the pleasures of the affections? We see in all other pleasures there is satiety, and after they be used, their verdure departeth, which showeth well they be but deceits of pleasure, and not pleasures; and that it was the novelty which pleased, and not the quality. And, therefore, we see that voluptuous men turn friars, and ambitions princes turn melancholy. But of knowledge there is no satiety, but satisfaction and appetite are perpetually interchangeable; and, therefore, appeareth to be good in itself simply, without fallacy or accident. Neither is that pleasure of small efficacy and contentment to the mind of man, which the poet Lucretius describeth elegantly:-

“Suave mari magno, turbantibus æquora ventis, &amp;c.”

“It is a view of delight,” saith he, “to stand or walk upon the shore side, and to see a ship tossed with tempest upon the sea; or to be in a fortified tower, and to see two battles join upon a plain. But it is a pleasure incomparable, for the mind of man to be settled, landed, and fortified in the certainty of truth; and from thence to descry and behold the errors, perturbations, labours, and wanderings up and down of other men.

(6) Lastly, leaving the vulgar arguments, that by learning man excelleth man in that wherein man excelleth beasts; that by learning man ascendeth to the heavens and their motions, where in body he cannot come; and the like: let us conclude with the dignity and excellency of knowledge and learning in that whereunto man’s nature doth most aspire, which is immortality, or continuance; for to this tendeth generation, and raising of houses and families; to this tend buildings, foundations, and monuments; to this tendeth the desire of memory, fame, and celebration; and in effect the strength of all other human desires. We see then how far the monuments of wit and learning are more durable than the monuments of power or of the hands. For have not the verses of Homer continued twenty-five hundred years, or more, without the loss of a syllable or letter; during which the infinite palaces, temples, castles, cities, have been decayed and demolished? It is not possible to have the true pictures or statues of Cyrus, Alexander, Cæsar, no nor of the kings or great personages of much later years; for the originals cannot last, and the copies cannot but leese of the life and truth. But the images of men’s wits and knowledges remain in books, exempted from the wrong of time and capable of perpetual renovation. Neither are they fitly to be called images, because they generate still, and cast their seeds in the minds of others, provoking and causing infinite actions and opinions in succeeding ages. So that if the invention of the ship was thought so noble, which carrieth riches and commodities from place to place, and consociateth the most remote regions in participation of their fruits, how much more are letters to be magnified, which as ships pass through the vast seas of time, and make ages so distant to participate of the wisdom, illuminations, and inventions, the one of the other? Nay, further, we see some of the philosophers which were least divine, and most immersed in the senses, and denied generally the immortality of the soul, yet came to this point, that whatsoever motions the spirit of man could act and perform without the organs of the body, they thought might remain after death, which were only those of the understanding and not of the affection; so immortal and incorruptible a thing did knowledge seem unto them to be. But we, that know by divine revelation that not only the understanding but the affections purified, not only the spirit but the body changed, shall be advanced to immortality, do disclaim in these rudiments of the senses. But it must be remembered, both in this last point, and so it may likewise be needful in other places, that in probation of the dignity of knowledge or learning, I did in the beginning separate divine testimony from human, which method I have pursued, and so handled them both apart.

(7) Nevertheless I do not pretend, and I know it will be impossible for me, by any pleading of mine, to reverse the judgment, either of Æsop’s cock, that preferred the barleycorn before the gem; or of Midas, that being chosen judge between Apollo, president of the Muses, and Pan, god of the flocks, judged for plenty; or of Paris, that judged for beauty and love against wisdom and power; or of Agrippina, occidat matrem, modo imperet, that preferred empire with any condition never so detestable; or of Ulysses, qui vetulam prætulit immortalitati, being a figure of those which prefer custom and habit before all excellency, or of a number of the like popular judgments. For these things must continue as they have been; but so will that also continue whereupon learning hath ever relied, and which faileth not: Justificata est sapientia a filiis suis.

===THE SECOND BOOK.===

TO THE KING.

1. It might seem to have more convenience, though it come often otherwise to pass (excellent King), that those which are fruitful in their generations, and have in them-selves the foresight of immortality in their descendants, should likewise be more careful of the good estate of future times, unto which they know they must transmit and commend over their dearest pledges. Queen Elizabeth was a sojourner in the world in respect of her unmarried life, and was a blessing to her own times; and yet so as the impression of her good government, besides her happy memory, is not without some effect which doth survive her. But to your Majesty, whom God hath already blessed with so much royal issue, worthy to continue and represent you for ever, and whose youthful and fruitful bed doth yet promise many the like renovations, it is proper and agreeable to be conversant not only in the transitory parts of good government, but in those acts also which are in their nature permanent and perpetual. Amongst the which (if affection do not transport me) there is not any more worthy than the further endowment of the world with sound and fruitful knowledge. For why should a few received authors stand up like Hercules’ columns, beyond which there should be no sailing or discovering, since we have so bright and benign a star as your Majesty to conduct and prosper us? To return therefore where we left, it remaineth to consider of what kind those acts are which have been undertaken and performed by kings and others for the increase and advancement of learning, wherein I purpose to speak actively, without digressing or dilating.

2. Let this ground therefore be laid, that all works are over common by amplitude of reward, by soundness of direction, and by the conjunction of labours. The first mul-tiplieth endeavour, the second preventeth error, and the third supplieth the frailty of man. But the principal of these is direction, for claudus in via antevertit cursorem extra viam; and Solomon excellently setteth it down, “If the iron be not sharp, it requireth more strength, but wisdom is that which prevaileth,” signifying that the invention or election of the mean is more effectual than any enforcement or accumulation of endeavours. This I am induced to speak, for that (not derogating from the noble intention of any that have been deservers towards the state of learning), I do observe nevertheless that their works and acts are rather matters of magnificence and memory than of progression and proficience, and tend rather to augment the mass of learning in the multitude of learned men than to rectify or raise the sciences themselves.

3. The works or acts of merit towards learning are conversant about three objects - the places of learning, the books of learning, and the persons of the learned. For as water, whether it be the dew of heaven or the springs of the earth, doth scatter and leese itself in the ground, except it be collected into some receptacle where it may by union comfort and sustain itself; and for that cause the industry of man hath made and framed springheads, conduits, cisterns, and pools, which men have accustomed likewise to beautify and adorn with accomplishments of magnificence and state, as well as of use and necessity; so this excellent liquor of knowledge, whether it descend from divine inspiration, or spring from human sense, would soon perish and vanish to oblivion, if it were not preserved in books, traditions, conferences, and places appointed, as universities, colleges, and schools, for the receipt and comforting of the same.

4. The works which concern the seats and places of learning are four - foundations and buildings, endowments with revenues, endowments with franchises and privileges, institutions and ordinances for government - all tending to quietness and privateness of life, and discharge of cares and troubles; much like the stations which Virgil prescribeth for the hiving of bees:

“Principio sedes apibus statioque petenda,

Quo neque sit ventis aditus, &amp;c.”

5. The works touching books are two - first, libraries, which are as the shrines where all the relics of the ancient saints, full of true virtue, and that without delusion or imposture, are preserved and reposed; secondly, new editions of authors, with more correct impressions, more faithful translations, more profitable glosses, more diligent annotations, and the like.

6. The works pertaining to the persons of learned men (besides the advancement and countenancing of them in general) are two - the reward and designation of readers in sciences already extant and invented; and the reward and designation of writers and inquirers concerning any parts of learning not sufficiently laboured and prosecuted.

7. These are summarily the works and acts wherein the merits of many excellent princes and other worthy personages, have been conversant. As for any particular commemorations, I call to mind what Cicero said when he gave general thanks, Difficile non aliquem, ingratum quenquam præterire. Let us rather, according to the Scriptures, look unto that part of the race which is before us, than look back to that which is already attained.

8. First, therefore, amongst so many great foundations of colleges in Europe, I find strange that they are all dedicated to professions, and none left free to arts and sciences at large. For if men judge that learning should be referred to action, they judge well; but in this they fall into the error described in the ancient fable, in which the other parts of the body did suppose the stomach had been idle, because it neither performed the office of motion, as the limbs do, nor of sense, as the head doth; but yet notwithstanding it is the stomach that digesteth and distributeth to all the rest. So if any man think philosophy and universality to be idle studies, he doth not consider that all professions are from thence served and supplied. And this I take to be a great cause that hath hindered the progression of learning, because these fundamental knowledges have been studied but in passage. For if you will have a tree bear more fruit than it hath used to do, it is not anything you can do to the boughs, but it is the stirring of the earth and putting new mould about thee roots that must work it. Neither is it to be forgotten, that this dedicating of foundations and dotations to professory learning hath not only had a malign aspect and influence upon the growth of sciences, but hath also been prejudicial to states, and governments. For hence it proceedeth that princes find a solitude in regard of able men to serve them in causes of estate, because there is no education collegiate which is free, where such as were so disposed might give themselves in histories, modern languages, books of policy and civil discourse, and other the like enablements unto service of estate.

9. And because founders of colleges do plant, and founders of lectures do water, it followeth well in order to speak of the defect which is in public lectures; namely, in the smallness, and meanness of the salary or reward which in most places is assigned unto them, whether they be lectures of arts, or of professions. For it is necessary to the progression of sciences that readers be of the most able and sufficient men; as those which are ordained for generating and propagating of sciences, and not for transitory use. This cannot be, except their condition and endowment be such as may content the ablest man to appropriate his whole labour and continue his whole age in that function and attendance; and therefore must have a proportion answerable to that mediocrity or competency of advancement, which may be expected from a profession or the practice of a profession. So as, if you will have sciences flourish, you must observe David’s military law, which was, “That those which stayed with the carriage should have equal part with those which were in the action;” else will the carriages be ill attended. So readers in sciences are indeed the guardians of the stores and provisions of sciences, whence men in active courses are furnished, and therefore ought to have equal entertainment with them; otherwise if the fathers in sciences be of the weakest sort or be ill maintained,

“Et patrum invalidi referent jejunia nati.”

10. Another defect I note, wherein I shall need some alchemist to help me, who call upon men to sell their books, and to build furnaces; quitting and forsaking Minerva and the Muses as barren virgins, and relying upon Vulcan. But certain it is, that unto the deep, fruitful, and operative study of many sciences, specialty natural philosophy and physic, books be not only the instrumentals; wherein also the beneficence of men hath not been altogether wanting. For we see spheres, globes, astrolabes, maps, and the like, have been provided as appurtenances to astronomy and cosmography, as well as books. We see likewise that some places instituted for physic have annexed the commodity of gardens for simples of all sorts, and do likewise command the use of dead bodies for anatomies. But these do respect but a few things. In general, there will hardly be any main proficience in the disclosing of nature, except there be some allowance for expenses about experiments; whether they be experiments appertaining to Vulcanus or Dædalus, furnace or engine, or any other kind. And therefore as se-cretaries and spials of princes and states bring in bills for intelligence, so you must al-low the spials and intelligencers of nature to bring in their bills; or else you shall be ill advertised.

11. And if Alexander made such a liberal assignation to Aristotle of treasure for the allowance of hunters, fowlers, fishers, and the like, that he might compile a history of nature, much better do they deserve it that travail in arts of nature.

12. Another defect which I note is an intermission or neglect in those which are gov-ernors in universities, of consultation, and in princes or superior persons, of visitation: to enter into account and consideration, whether the readings, exercises, and other customs appertaining unto learning, anciently begun and since continued, be well instituted or no; and thereupon to ground an amendment or reformation in that which shall be found inconvenient. For it is one of your Majesty’s own most wise and princely maxims, “That in all usages and precedents, the times be considered wherein they first began; which if they were weak or ignorant, it derogateth from the authority of the usage, and leaveth it for suspect.” And therefore inasmuch as most of the usages and orders of the universities were derived from more obscure times, it is the more requisite they be re-examined. In this kind I will give an instance or two, for example sake, of things that are the most obvious and familiar. The one is a matter, which though it be ancient and general, yet I hold to be an error; which is, that scholars in universities come too soon and too unripe to logic and rhetoric, arts fitter for graduates than children and novices. For these two, rightly taken, are the gravest of sciences, being the arts of arts; the one for judgment, the other for ornament. And they be the rules and directions how to set forth and dispose matter: and therefore for minds empty and unfraught with matter, and which have not gathered that which Cicero calleth sylva and supellex, stuff and variety, to begin with those arts (as if one should learn to weigh, or to measure, or to paint the wind) doth work but this effect, that the wisdom of those arts, which is great and universal, is almost made contemptible, and is degenerate into childish sophistry and ridiculous affectation. And further, the untimely learning of them hath drawn on by consequence the superficial and unprofitable teaching and writing of them, as fitteth indeed to the capacity of children. Another is a lack I find in the exercises used in the universities, which do snake too great a divorce between invention and memory. For their speeches are either premeditate, in verbis conceptis, where nothing is left to invention, or merely extemporal, where little is left to memory. Whereas in life and action there is least use of either of these, but rather of intermixtures of premeditation and invention, notes and memory. So as the exercise fitteth not the practice, nor the image the life; and it is ever a true rule in exercises, that they be framed as near as may be to the life of practice; for otherwise they do pervert the motions and faculties of the mind, and not prepare them. The truth whereof is not obscure, when scholars come to the practices of professions, or other actions of civil life; which when they set into, this want is soon found by themselves, and sooner by others. But this part, touching the amendment of the institutions and orders of universities, I will conclude with the clause of Cæsar’s letter to Oppius and Balbes, Hoc quemadmodum fieri possit, nonnulla mihi in mentem veniunt, et multa reperiri possunt: de iis rebus rgo vos ut cogitationem suscipiatis.

13. Another defect which I note ascendeth a little higher than the precedent. For as the proficience of learning consisteth much in the orders and institutions of universities in the same states and kingdoms, so it would be yet more advanced, if there were more intelligence mutual between the universities of Europe than now there is. We see there be many orders and foundations, which though they be divided under several sovereignties and territories, yet they take themselves to have a kind of contract, fraternity, and correspondence one with the other, insomuch as they have provincials and generals. And surely as nature createth brotherhood in families, and arts mechanical contract brotherhoods in communalties, and the anointment of God superinduceth a brotherhood in kings and bishops, so in like manner there cannot but be a fraternity in learning and illumination, relating to that paternity which is attributed to God, who is called the Father of illuminations or lights.

14. The last defect which I will note is, that there hath not been, or very rarely been, any public designation of writers or inquirers concerning such parts of knowledge as may appear not to have been already sufficiently laboured or undertaken; unto which point it is an inducement to enter into a view and examination what parts of learning have been prosecuted, and what omitted. For the opinion of plenty is amongst the causes of want, and the great quantity of books maketh a show rather of superfluity than lack; which surcharge nevertheless is not to be remedied by making no more books, but by making more good books, which, as the serpent of Moses, might devour the serpents of the enchanters.

15. The removing of all the defects formerly enumerate, except the last, and of the active part also of the last (which is the designation of writers), are opera basilica; towards which the endeavours of a private man may be but as an image in a crossway, that may point at the way, but cannot go it. But the inducing part of the latter (which is the survey of learning) may be set forward by private travail. Wherefore I will now attempt to make a general and faithful perambulation of learning, with an inquiry what parts thereof lie fresh and waste, and not improved and converted by the industry of man, to the end that such a plot made and recorded to memory may both minister light to any public designation, and, also serve to excite voluntary endeavours. Wherein, nevertheless, my purpose is at this time to note only omissions and deficiences, and not to make any redargution of errors or incomplete prosecutions. For it is one thing to set forth what ground lieth unmanured, and another thing to correct ill husbandry in that which is manured.

In the handling and undertaking of which work I am not ignorant what it is that I do now move and attempt, nor insensible of mine own weakness to sustain my purpose. But my hope is, that if my extreme love to learning carry me too far, I may obtain the excuse of affection; for that “It is not granted to man to love and to be wise.” But I know well I can use no other liberty of judgment than I must leave to others; and I for my part shall be indifferently glad either to perform myself, or accept from another, that duty of humanity - Nam qui erranti comiter monstrat viam, &amp;c. I do foresee likewise that of those things which I shall enter and register as deficiences and omissions, many will conceive and censure that some of them are already done and extant; others to be but curiosities, and things of no great use; and others to be of too great difficulty, and almost impossibility to be compassed and effected. But for the two first, I refer myself to the particulars. For the last, touching impossibility, I take it those things are to be held possible which may be done by some person, though not by every one; and which may be done by many, though not by any one; and which may be done in the succession of ages, though not within the hourglass of one man’s life; and which may be done by public designation, though not by private endeavour. But, notwithstanding, if any man will take to himself rather that of Solomon, “Dicit piger, Leo est in via,” than that of Virgil, “Possunt quia posse videntur,” I shall be content that my labours be esteemed but as the better sort of wishes; for as it asketh some knowledge to demand a question not impertinent, so it requireth some sense to make a wish not absurd.

I. 

(1) The parts of human learning have reference to the three parts of man’s under-standing, which is the seat of learning: history to his memory, poesy to his imagina-tion, and philosophy to his reason. Divine learning receiveth the same distribution; for, the spirit of man is the same, though the revelation of oracle and sense be diverse. So as theology consisteth also of history of the Church; of parables, which is divine poesy; and of holy doctrine or precept. For as for that part which seemeth su-pernumerary, which is prophecy, it is but divine history, which hath that prerogative over human, as the narration may be before the fact as well as after.

(2) History is natural, civil, ecclesiastical, and literary; whereof the first three I allow as extant, the fourth I note as deficient. For no man hath propounded to himself the general state of learning to be described and represented from age to age, as many have done the works of Nature, and the state, civil and ecclesiastical; without which the history of the world seemeth to me to be as the statue of Polyphemus with his eye out, that part being wanting which doth most show the spirit and life of the person. And yet I am not ignorant that in divers particular sciences, as of the jurisconsults, the mathematicians, the rhetoricians, the philosophers, there are set down some small memorials of the schools, authors, and books; and so likewise some barren relations touching the invention of arts or usages. But a just story of learning, containing the antiquities and originals of knowledges and their sects, their inventions, their traditions, their diverse administrations and managings, their flourishings, their oppo-sitions, decays, depressions, oblivions, removes, with the causes and occasions of them, and all other events concerning learning, throughout the ages of the world, I may truly affirm to be wanting; the use and end of which work I do not so much de-sign for curiosity or satisfaction of those that are the lovers of learning, but chiefly for a more serious and grave purpose, which is this in few words, that it will make learned men wise in the use and administration of learning. For it is not Saint Augustine’s nor Saint Ambrose’s works that will make so wise a divine as ecclesiastical history thoroughly read and observed, and the same reason is of learning.

(3) History of Nature is of three sorts; of Nature in course, of Nature erring or va-rying, and of Nature altered or wrought; that is, history of creatures, history of mar-vels, and history of arts. The first of these no doubt is extant, and that in good per-fection; the two latter are bandied so weakly and unprofitably as I am moved to note them as deficient. For I find no sufficient or competent collection of the works of Nature which have a digression and deflexion from the ordinary course of generations, productions, and motions; whether they be singularities of place and region, or the strange events of time and chance, or the effects of yet unknown properties, or the instances of exception to general kinds. It is true I find a number of books of fabulous experiments and secrets, and frivolous impostures for pleasure and strange-ness; but a substantial and severe collection of the heteroclites or irregulars of Nature, well examined and described, I find not, specially not with due rejection of fables and popular errors. For as things now are, if an untruth in Nature be once on foot, what by reason of the neglect of examination, and countenance of antiquity, and what by reason of the use of the opinion in similitudes and ornaments of speech, it is never called down.

(4) The use of this work, honoured with a precedent in Aristotle, is nothing less than to give contentment to the appetite of curious and vain wits, as the manner of Mira-bilaries is to do; but for two reasons, both of great weight: the one to correct the partiality of axioms and opinions, which are commonly framed only upon common and familiar examples; the other because from the wonders of Nature is the nearest intelligence and passage towards the wonders of art, for it is no more but by following and, as it were, hounding Nature in her wanderings, to be able to lead her afterwards to the same place again. Neither am I of opinion, in this history of marvels, that superstitious narrations of sorceries, witchcrafts, dreams, divinations, and the like, where there is an assurance and clear evidence of the fact, be altogether excluded. For it is not yet known in what cases and how far effects attributed to superstition do participate of natural causes; and, therefore, howsoever the practice of such things is to be condemned, yet from the speculation and consideration of them light may be taken, not only for the discerning of the offences, but for the further disclosing of Nature. Neither ought a man to make scruple of entering into these things for inquisition of truth, as your Majesty hath showed in your own example, who, with the two clear eyes of religion and natural philosophy, have looked deeply and wisely into these shadows, and yet proved yourself to be of the nature of the sun, which passeth through pollutions and itself remains as pure as before. But this I hold fit, that these narrations, which have mixture with superstition, be sorted by themselves, and not to be mingled with the narrations which are merely and sincerely natural. But as for the narrations touching the prodigies and miracles of religions, they are either not true or not natural; and, therefore, impertinent for the story of Nature.

(5) For history of Nature, wrought or mechanical, I find some collections made of agriculture, and likewise of manual arts; but commonly with a rejection of experiments familiar and vulgar; for it is esteemed a kind of dishonour unto learning to descend to inquiry or meditation upon matters mechanical, except they be such as may be thought secrets, rarities, and special subtleties; which humour of vain and supercilious arrogancy is justly derided in Plato, where he brings in Hippias, a vaunting sophist, disputing with Socrates, a true and unfeigned inquisitor of truth; where, the subject being touching beauty, Socrates, after his wandering manner of inductions, put first an example of a fair virgin, and then of a fair horse, and then of a fair pot well glazed, whereat Hippias was offended, and said, “More than for courtesy’s sake, he did think much to dispute with any that did allege such base and sordid instances.” Whereunto Socrates answereth, “You have reason, and it becomes you well, being a man so trim in your vestments,” &amp;c., and so goeth on in an irony. But the truth is, they be not the highest instances that give the securest information, as may be well expressed in the tale so common of the philosopher that, while he gazed upwards to the stars, fell into the water; for if he had looked down he might have seen the stars in the water, but looking aloft he could not see the water in the stars. So it cometh often to pass that mean and small things discover great, better than great can discover the small; and therefore Aristotle noteth well, “That the nature of everything is best seen in his smallest portions.” And for that cause he inquireth the nature of a commonwealth, first in a family, and the simple conjugations of man and wife, parent and child, master and servant, which are in every cottage. Even so likewise the nature of this great city of the world, and the policy thereof, must be first sought in mean concordances and small portions. So we see how that secret of Nature, of the turning of iron touched with the loadstone towards the north, was found out in needles of iron, not in bars of iron.

(6) But if my judgment be of any weight, the use of history mechanical is of all others the most radical and fundamental towards natural philosophy; such natural philosophy as shall not vanish in the fume of subtle, sublime, or delectable speculation, but such as shall be operative to the endowment and benefit of man’s life. For it will not only minister and suggest for the present many ingenious practices in all trades, by a connection and transferring of the observations of one art to the use of another, when the experiences of several mysteries shall fall under the consideration of one man’s mind; but further, it will give a more true and real illumination concerning causes and axioms than is hitherto attained. For like as a man’s disposition is never well known till he be crossed, nor Proteus ever changed shapes till he was straitened and held fast; so the passages and variations of nature cannot appear so fully in the liberty of nature as in the trials and vexations of art.

II. 

(1) For civil history, it is of three kinds; not unfitly to be compared with the three kinds of pictures or images. For of pictures or images we see some are unfinished, some are perfect, and some are defaced. So of histories we may find three kinds: memorials, perfect histories, and antiquities; for memorials are history unfinished, or the first or rough drafts of history; and antiquities are history defaced, or some remnants of history which have casually escaped the shipwreck of time.

(2) Memorials, or preparatory history, are of two sorts; whereof the one may be termed commentaries, and the other registers. Commentaries are they which set down a continuance of the naked events and actions, without the motives or designs, the counsels, the speeches, the pretexts, the occasions, and other passages of action. For this is the true nature of a commentary (though Cæsar, in modesty mixed with greatness, did for his pleasure apply the name of a commentary to the best history of the world). Registers are collections of public acts, as decrees of council, judicial proceedings, declarations and letters of estate, orations, and the like, without a perfect continuance or contexture of the thread of the narration.

(3) Antiquities, or remnants of history, are, as was said, tanquam tabula naufragii: when industrious persons, by an exact and scrupulous diligence and observation, out of monuments, names, words, proverbs, traditions, private records and evidences, fragments of stories, passages of books that concern not story, and the like, do save and recover somewhat from the deluge of time.

(4) In these kinds of unperfect histories I do assign no deficience, for they are tanquam imperfecte mista; and therefore any deficience in them is but their nature. As for the corruptions and moths of history, which are epitomes, the use of them deserveth to be banished, as all men of sound judgment have confessed, as those that have fretted and corroded the sound bodies of many excellent histories, and wrought them into base and unprofitable dregs.

(5) History, which may be called just and perfect history, is of three kinds, according to the object which it propoundeth, or pretendeth to represent: for it either representeth a time, or a person, or an action. The first we call chronicles, the second lives, and the third narrations or relations. Of these, although the first be the most complete and absolute kind of history, and hath most estimation and glory, yet the second excelleth it in profit and use, and the third in verity and sincerity. For history of times representeth the magnitude of actions, and the public faces and deportments of persons, and passeth over in silence the smaller passages and motions of men and matters. But such being the workmanship of God, as He doth hang the greatest weight upon the smallest wires, maxima è minimis, suspendens, it comes therefore to pass, that such histories do rather set forth the pomp of business than the true and inward resorts thereof. But lives, if they be well written, propounding to themselves a person to represent, in whom actions, both greater and smaller, public and private, have a commixture, must of necessity contain a more true, native, and lively representation. So again narrations and relations of actions, as the war of Peloponnesus, the expedition of Cyrus Minor, the conspiracy of Catiline, cannot but be more purely and exactly true than histories of times, because they may choose an argument comprehensible within the notice and instructions of the writer: whereas he that undertaketh the story of a time, specially of any length, cannot but meet with many blanks and spaces, which he must be forced to fill up out of his own wit and conjecture.

(6) For the history of times, I mean of civil history, the providence of God hath made the distribution. For it hath pleased God to ordain and illustrate two exemplar states of the world for arms, learning, moral virtue, policy, and laws; the state of Græcia and the state of Rome; the histories whereof occupying the middle part of time, have more ancient to them histories which may by one common name be termed the antiquities of the world; and after them, histories which may be likewise called by the name of modern history.

(7) Now to speak of the deficiences. As to the heathen antiquities of the world it is in vain to note them for deficient. Deficient they are no doubt, consisting most of fables and fragments; but the deficience cannot be holpen; for antiquity is like fame, caput inter nubila condit, her head is muffled from our sight. For the history of the exemplar states, it is extant in good perfection. Not but I could wish there were a perfect course of history for Græcia, from Theseus to Philopœmen (what time the affairs of Græcia drowned and extinguished in the affairs of Rome), and for Rome from Romulus to Justinianus, who may be truly said to be ultimus Romanorum. In which sequences of story the text of Thucydides and Xenophon in the one, and the texts of Livius, Polybius, Sallustius, Cæsar, Appianus, Tacitus, Herodianus in the other, to be kept entire, without any diminution at all, and only to be supplied and continued. But this is a matter of magnificence, rather to be commended than required; and we speak now of parts of learning supplemental, and not of supererogation.

(8) But for modern histories, whereof there are some few very worthy, but the greater part beneath mediocrity, leaving the care of foreign stories to foreign states, because I will not be curiosus in aliena republica, I cannot fail to represent to your Majesty the unworthiness of the history of England in the main continuance thereof, and the partiality and obliquity of that of Scotland in the latest and largest author that I have seen: supposing that it would be honour for your Majesty, and a work very memorable, if this island of Great Britain, as it is now joined in monarchy for the ages to come, so were joined in one history for the times passed, after the manner of the sacred history, which draweth down the story of the ten tribes and of the two tribes as twins together. And if it shall seem that the greatness of this work may make it less exactly performed, there is an excellent period of a much smaller compass of time, as to the story of England; that is to say, from the uniting of the Roses to the uniting of the kingdoms; a portion of time wherein, to my understanding, there hath been the rarest varieties that in like number of successions of any hereditary monarchy hath been known. For it beginneth with the mixed adoption of a crown by arms and title; an entry by battle, an establishment by marriage; and therefore times answerable, like waters after a tempest, full of working and swelling, though without extremity of storm; but well passed through by the wisdom of the pilot, being one of the most sufficient kings of all the number. Then followeth the reign of a king, whose actions, howsoever conducted, had much intermixture with the affairs of Europe, balancing and inclining them variably; in whose time also began that great alteration in the state ecclesiastical, an action which seldom cometh upon the stage. Then the reign of a minor; then an offer of a usurpation (though it was but as febris ephemera). Then the reign of a queen matched with a foreigner; then of a queen that lived solitary and unmarried, and yet her government so masculine, as it had greater impression and operation upon the states abroad than it any ways received from thence. And now last, this most happy and glorious event, that this island of Britain, divided from all the world, should be united in itself, and that oracle of rest given to ÆNeas, antiquam exquirite matrem, should now be performed and fulfilled upon the nations of England and Scotland, being now reunited in the ancient mother name of Britain, as a full period of all instability and peregrinations. So that as it cometh to pass in massive bodies, that they have certain trepidations and waverings before they fix and settle, so it seemeth that by the providence of God this monarchy, before it was to settle in your majesty and your generations (in which I hope it is now established for ever), it had these prelusive changes and varieties.

(9) For lives, I do find strange that these times have so little esteemed the virtues of the times, as that the writings of lives should be no more frequent. For although there be not many sovereign princes or absolute commanders, and that states are most collected into monarchies, yet are there many worthy personages that deserve better than dispersed report or barren eulogies. For herein the invention of one of the late poets is proper, and doth well enrich the ancient fiction. For he feigneth that at the end of the thread or web of every man’s life there was a little medal containing the person’s name, and that Time waited upon the shears, and as soon as the thread was cut caught the medals, and carried them to the river of Lathe; and about the bank there were many birds flying up and down, that would get the medals and carry them in their beak a little while, and then let them fall into the river. Only there were a few swans, which if they got a name would carry it to a temple where it was consecrate. And although many men, more mortal in their affections than in their bodies, do esteem desire of name and memory but as a vanity and ventosity,

“Animi nil magnæ laudis egentes;”

which opinion cometh from that root, Non prius laudes contempsimus, quam lau-danda facere desivimus: yet that will not alter Solomon’s judgment, Memoria justi cum laudibus, at impiorum nomen putrescet: the one flourisheth, the other either consumeth to present oblivion, or turneth to an ill odour. And therefore in that style or addition, which is and hath been long well received and brought in use, felicis memoriæ, piæ memoriæ, bonæ memoriæ, we do acknowledge that which Cicero saith, borrowing it from Demosthenes, that bona fama propria possessio defunctorum; which possession I cannot but note that in our times it lieth much waste, and that therein there is a deficience.

(10) For narrations and relations of particular actions, there were also to be wished a greater diligence therein; for there is no great action but hath some good pen which attends it. And because it is an ability not common to write a good history, as may well appear by the small number of them; yet if particularity of actions memorable were but tolerably reported as they pass, the compiling of a complete history of times might be the better expected, when a writer should arise that were fit for it: for the collection of such relations might be as a nursery garden, whereby to plant a fair and stately garden when time should serve.

(11) There is yet another partition of history which Cornelius Tacitus maketh, which is not to be forgotten, specially with that application which he accoupleth it withal, annals and journals: appropriating to the former matters of estate, and to the latter acts and accidents of a meaner nature. For giving but a touch of certain magnificent buildings, he addeth, Cum ex dignitate populi Romani repertum sit, res illustres annalibus, talia diurnis urbis actis mandare. So as there is a kind of contemplative heraldry, as well as civil. And as nothing doth derogate from the dignity of a state more than confusion of degrees, so it doth not a little imbase the authority of a history to intermingle matters of triumph, or matters of ceremony, or matters of novelty, with matters of state. But the use of a journal hath not only been in the history of time, but likewise in the history of persons, and chiefly of actions; for princes in ancient time had, upon point of honour and policy both, journals kept, what passed day by day. For we see the chronicle which was read before Ahasuerus, when he could not take rest, contained matter of affairs, indeed, but such as had passed in his own time and very lately before. But the journal of Alexander’s house expressed every small particularity, even concerning his person and court; and it is yet a use well received in enterprises memorable, as expeditions of war, navigations, and the like, to keep diaries of that which passeth continually.

(12) I cannot likewise be ignorant of a form of writing which some grave and wise men have used, containing a scattered history of those actions which they have thought worthy of memory, with politic discourse and observation thereupon: not incorporate into the history, but separately, and as the more principal in their intention; which kind of ruminated history I think more fit to place amongst books of policy, whereof we shall hereafter speak, than amongst books of history. For it is the true office of history to represent the events themselves together with the counsels, and to leave the observations and conclusions thereupon to the liberty and faculty of every man’s judgment. But mixtures are things irregular, whereof no man can define.

(13) So also is there another kind of history manifoldly mixed, and that is history of cosmography: being compounded of natural history, in respect of the regions them-selves; of history civil, in respect of the habitations, regiments, and manners of the people; and the mathematics, in respect of the climates and configurations towards the heavens: which part of learning of all others in this latter time hath obtained most proficience. For it may be truly affirmed to the honour of these times, and in a virtuous emulation with antiquity, that this great building of the world had never through-lights made in it, till the age of us and our fathers. For although they had knowledge of the antipodes,

“Nosque ubi primus equis Oriens afflavit anhelis,

Illic sera rubens accendit lumina Vesper,”

yet that might be by demonstration, and not in fact; and if by travel, it requireth the voyage but of half the globe. But to circle the earth, as the heavenly bodies do, was not done nor enterprised till these later times: and therefore these times may justly bear in their word, not only plus ultra, in precedence of the ancient non ultra, and imitabile fulmen, in precedence of the ancient non imitabile fulmen,

“Demens qui nimbos et non imitabile fulmen,” &amp;c.

but likewise imitabile cælum; in respect of the many memorable voyages after the manner of heaven about the globe of the earth.

(14) And this proficience in navigation and discoveries may plant also an expectation of the further proficience and augmentation of all sciences; because it may seem they are ordained by God to be coevals, that is, to meet in one age. For so the prophet Daniel speaking of the latter times foretelleth, Plurimi pertransibunt, et multiplex erit scientia: as if the openness and through-passage of the world and the increase of knowledge were appointed to be in the same ages; as we see it is already performed in great part: the learning of these later times not much giving place to the former two periods or returns of learning, the one of the Grecians, the other of the Romans.

III. 

(1) History ecclesiastical receiveth the same divisions with history civil: but further in the propriety thereof may be divided into the history of the Church, by a general name; history of prophecy; and history of providence. The first describeth the times of the militant Church, whether it be fluctuant, as the ark of Noah, or movable, as the ark in the wilderness, or at rest, as the ark in the Temple: that is, the state of the Church in persecution, in remove, and in peace. This part I ought in no sort to note as deficient; only I would that the virtue and sincerity of it were according to the mass and quantity. But I am not now in hand with censures, but with omissions.

(2) The second, which is history of prophecy, consisteth of two relatives - the prophecy and the accomplishment; and, therefore, the nature of such a work ought to be, that every prophecy of the Scripture be sorted with the event fulfilling the same throughout the ages of the world, both for the better confirmation of faith and for the better illumination of the Church touching those parts of prophecies which are yet unfulfilled: allowing, nevertheless, that latitude which is agreeable and familiar unto divine prophecies, being of the nature of their Author, with whom a thousand years are but as one day, and therefore are not fulfilled punctually at once, but have springing and germinant accomplishment throughout many ages, though the height or fulness of them may refer to some one age. This is a work which I find deficient, but is to be done with wisdom, sobriety, and reverence, or not at all.

(3) The third, which is history of Providence, containeth that excellent correspondence which is between God’s revealed will and His secret will; which though it be so obscure, as for the most part it is not legible to the natural man - no, nor many times to those that behold it from the tabernacle - yet, at some times it pleaseth God, for our better establishment and the confuting of those which are as without God in the world, to write it in such text and capital letters, that, as the prophet saith, “He that runneth by may read it” - that is, mere sensual persons, which hasten by God’s judgments, and never bend or fix their cogitations upon them, are nevertheless in their passage and race urged to discern it. Such are the notable events and examples of God’s judgments, chastisements, deliverances, and blessings; and this is a work which has passed through the labour of many, and therefore I cannot present as omitted.

(4) There are also other parts of learning which are appendices to history. For all the exterior proceedings of man consist of words and deeds, whereof history doth properly receive and retain in memory the deeds; and if words, yet but as inducements and passages to deeds; so are there other books and writings which are appropriate to the custody and receipt of words only, which likewise are of three sorts - orations, letters, and brief speeches or sayings. Orations are pleadings, speeches of counsel, laudatives, invectives, apologies, reprehensions, orations of formality or ceremony, and the like. Letters are according to all the variety of occasions, advertisements, advises, directions, propositions, petitions, commendatory, expostulatory, satisfactory, of compliment, of pleasure, of discourse, and all other passages of action. And such as are written from wise men, are of all the words of man, in my judgment, the best; for they are more natural than orations and public speeches, and more advised than conferences or present speeches. So again letters of affairs from such as manage them, or are privy to them, are of all others the best instructions for history, and to a diligent reader the best histories in themselves. For apophthegms, it is a great loss of that book of Cæsar’s; for as his history, and those few letters of his which we have, and those apophthegms which were of his own, excel all men’s else, so I suppose would his collection of apophthegms have done; for as for those which are collected by others, either I have no taste in such matters or else their choice hath not been happy. But upon these three kinds of writings I do not insist, because I have no deficiences to propound concerning them.

(5) Thus much therefore concerning history, which is that part of learning which answereth to one of the cells, domiciles, or offices of the mind of man, which is that of the memory.

IV. 

(1) Poesy is a part of learning in measure of words, for the most part restrained, but in all other points extremely licensed, and doth truly refer to the imagination; which, being not tied to the laws of matter, may at pleasure join that which nature hath severed, and sever that which nature hath joined, and so make unlawful matches and divorces of things - Pictoribus atque poetis, &amp;c. It is taken in two senses in respect of words or matter. In the first sense, it is but a character of style, and belongeth to arts of speech, and is not pertinent for the present. In the latter, it is - as hath been said - one of the principal portions of learning, and is nothing else but feigned history, which may be styled as well in prose as in verse.

(2) The use of this feigned history hath been to give some shadow of satisfaction to the mind of man in those points wherein the nature of things doth deny it, the world being in proportion inferior to the soul; by reason whereof there is, agreeable to the spirit of man, a more ample greatness, a more exact goodness, and a more absolute variety, than can be found in the nature of things. Therefore, because the acts or events of true history have not that magnitude which satisfieth the mind of man, poesy feigneth acts and events greater and more heroical. Because true history propoundeth the successes and issues of actions not so agreeable to the merits of virtue and vice, therefore poesy feigns them more just in retribution, and more according to revealed Providence. Because true history representeth actions and events more ordinary and less interchanged, therefore poesy endueth them with more rareness and more unexpected and alternative variations. So as it appeareth that poesy serveth and conferreth to magnanimity, morality and to delectation. And therefore, it was ever thought to have some participation of divineness, because it doth raise and erect the mind, by submitting the shows of things to the desires of the mind; whereas reason doth buckle and bow the mind unto the nature of things. And we see that by these insinuations and congruities with man’s nature and pleasure, joined also with the agreement and consort it hath with music, it hath had access and estimation in rude times and barbarous regions, where other learning stood excluded.

(3) The division of poesy which is aptest in the propriety thereof (besides those divi-sions which are common unto it with history, as feigned chronicles, feigned lives, and the appendices of history, as feigned epistles, feigned orations, and the rest) is into poesy narrative, representative, and allusive. The narrative is a mere imitation of history, with the excesses before remembered, choosing for subjects commonly wars and love, rarely state, and sometimes pleasure or mirth. Representative is as a visible history, and is an image of actions as if they were present, as history is of actions in nature as they are (that is) past. Allusive, or parabolical, is a narration applied only to express some special purpose or conceit; which latter kind of parabolical wisdom was much more in use in the ancient times, as by the fables of Æsop, and the brief sentences of the seven, and the use of hieroglyphics may appear. And the cause was (for that it was then of necessity to express any point of reason which was more sharp or subtle than the vulgar in that manner) because men in those times wanted both variety of examples and subtlety of conceit. And as hieroglyphics were before letters, so parables were before arguments; and nevertheless now and at all times they do retain much life and rigour, because reason cannot be so sensible nor examples so fit.

(4) But there remaineth yet another use of poesy parabolical, opposite to that which we last mentioned; for that tendeth to demonstrate and illustrate that which is taught or delivered, and this other to retire and obscure it - that is, when the secrets and mysteries of religion, policy, or philosophy, are involved in fables or parables. Of this in divine poesy we see the use is authorised. In heathen poesy we see the exposition of fables doth fall out sometimes with great felicity: as in the fable that the giants being overthrown in their war against the gods, the earth their mother in revenge thereof brought forth Fame:

“Illam terra parens, ira irritat Deorum,

Extremam, ut perhibent, Cœo Enceladoque soroem,

Progenuit.”

Expounded that when princes and monarchs have suppressed actual and open rebels, then the malignity of people (which is the mother of rebellion) doth bring forth libels and slanders, and taxations of the states, which is of the same kind with rebellion but more feminine. So in the fable that the rest of the gods having conspired to bind Jupiter, Pallas called Briareus with his hundred hands to his aid: expounded that monarchies need not fear any curbing of their absoluteness by mighty subjects, as long as by wisdom they keep the hearts of the people, who will be sure to come in on their side. So in the fable that Achilles was brought up under Chiron, the centaur, who was part a man and part a beast, expounded ingeniously but corruptly by Machiavel, that it belongeth to the education and discipline of princes to know as well how to play the part of a lion in violence, and the fox in guile, as of the man in virtue and justice. Nevertheless, in many the like encounters, I do rather think that the fable was first, and the exposition devised, than that the moral was first, and thereupon the fable framed; for I find it was an ancient vanity in Chrysippus, that troubled himself with great contention to fasten the assertions of the Stoics upon the fictions of the ancient poets; but yet that all the fables and fictions of the poets were but pleasure and not figure, I interpose no opinion. Surely of these poets which are now extant, even Homer himself (notwithstanding he was made a kind of scripture by the later schools of the Grecians), yet I should without any difficulty pronounce that his fables had no such inwardness in his own meaning. But what they might have upon a more original tradition is not easy to affirm, for he was not the inventor of many of them.

(5) In this third part of learning, which is poesy, I can report no deficience; for being as a plant that cometh of the lust of the earth, without a formal seed, it hath sprung up and spread abroad more than any other kind. But to ascribe unto it that which is due, for the expressing of affections, passions, corruptions, and customs, we are beholding to poets more than to the philosophers’ works; and for wit and eloquence, not much less than to orators’ harangues. But it is not good to stay too long in the theatre. Let us now pass on to the judicial place or palace of the mind, which we are to approach and view with more reverence and attention.

V. 

(1) The knowledge of man is as the waters, some descending from above, and some springing from beneath: the one informed by the light of nature, the other inspired by divine revelation. The light of nature consisteth in the notions of the mind and the reports of the senses; for as for knowledge which man receiveth by teaching, it is cumulative and not original, as in a water that besides his own spring-head is fed with other springs and streams. So then, according to these two differing illuminations or originals, knowledge is first of all divided into divinity and philosophy.

(2) In philosophy the contemplations of man do either penetrate unto God, or are circumferred to nature, or are reflected or reverted upon himself. Out of which several inquiries there do arise three knowledges - divine philosophy, natural philosophy, and human philosophy or humanity. For all things are marked and stamped with this triple character - the power of God, the difference of nature and the use of man. But because the distributions and partitions of knowledge are not like several lines that meet in one angle, and so touch but in a point, but are like branches of a tree that meet in a stem, which hath a dimension and quantity of entireness and continuance before it come to discontinue and break itself into arms and boughs; therefore it is good, before we enter into the former distribution, to erect and constitute one universal science, by the name of philosophia prima, primitive or summary philosophy, as the main and common way, before we come where the ways part and divide themselves; which science whether I should report as deficient or no, I stand doubtful. For I find a certain rhapsody of natural theology, and of divers parts of logic; and of that part of natural philosophy which concerneth the principles, and of that other part of natural philosophy which concerneth the soul or spirit - all these strangely commixed and confused; but being examined, it seemeth to me rather a depredation of other sciences, advanced and exalted unto some height of terms, than anything solid or substantive of itself. Nevertheless I cannot be ignorant of the distinction which is current, that the same things are handled but in several respects. As for example, that logic considereth of many things as they are in notion, and this philosophy as they are in nature - the one in appearance, the other in existence; but I find this difference better made than pursued. For if they had considered quantity, similitude, diversity, and the rest of those extern characters of things, as philosophers, and in nature, their inquiries must of force have been of a far other kind than they are. For doth any of them, in handling quantity, speak of the force of union, how and how far it multiplieth virtue? Doth any give the reason why some things in nature are so common, and in so great mass, and others so rare, and in so small quantity? Doth any, in handling similitude and diversity, assign the cause why iron should not move to iron, which is more like, but move to the loadstone, which is less like? Why in all diversities of things there should be certain participles in nature which are almost ambiguous to which kind they should be referred? But there is a mere and deep silence touching the nature and operation of those common adjuncts of things, as in nature; and only a resuming and repeating of the force and use of them in speech or argument. Therefore, because in a writing of this nature I avoid all subtlety, my meaning touching this original or universal philosophy is thus, in a plain and gross description by negative: “That it be a receptacle for all such profitable observations and axioms as fall not within the compass of any of the special parts of philosophy or sciences, but are more common and of a higher stage.”

(3) Now that there are many of that kind need not be doubted. For example: Is not the rule, Si inœqualibus æqualia addas, omnia erunt inæqualia, an axiom as well of justice as of the mathematics? and is there not a true coincidence between commutative and distributive justice, and arithmetical and geometrical proportion? Is not that other rule, Quæ in eodem tertio conveniunt, et inter se conveniunt, a rule taken from the mathematics, but so potent in logic as all syllogisms are built upon it? Is not the observation, Omnia mutantur, nil interit, a contemplation in philosophy thus, that the quantum of nature is eternal? in natural theology thus, that it requireth the same omnipotency to make somewhat nothing, which at the first made nothing somewhat? according to the Scripture, Didici quod omnia opera, quœ fecit Deus, perseverent in perpetuum; non possumus eis quicquam addere nec auferre. Is not the ground, which Machiavel wisely and largely discourseth concerning governments, that the way to establish and preserve them is to reduce them ad principia - a rule in religion and nature, as well as in civil administration? Was not the Persian magic a reduction or correspondence of the principles and architectures of nature to the rules and policy of governments? Is not the precept of a musician, to fall from a discord or harsh accord upon a concord or sweet accord, alike true in affection? Is not the trope of music, to avoid or slide from the close or cadence, common with the trope of rhetoric of deceiving expectation? Is not the delight of the quavering upon a stop in music the same with the playing of light upon the water?

“Splendet tremulo sub lumine pontus.”

Are not the organs of the senses of one kind with the organs of reflection, the eye with a glass, the ear with a cave or strait, determined and bounded? Neither are these only similitudes, as men of narrow observation may conceive them to be, but the same footsteps of nature, treading or printing upon several subjects or matters. This science therefore (as I understand it) I may justly report as deficient; for I see sometimes the profounder sort of wits, in handling some particular argument, will now and then draw a bucket of water out of this well for their present use; but the spring-head thereof seemeth to me not to have been visited, being of so excellent use both for the disclosing of nature and the abridgment of art.

VI. 

(1) This science being therefore first placed as a common parent like unto Berecynthia, which had so much heavenly issue, omnes cœlicolas, omnes supera alta tenetes; we may return to the former distribution of the three philosophies - divine, natural, and human. And as concerning divine philosophy or natural theology, it is that knowledge or rudiment of knowledge concerning God which may be obtained by the contemplation of His creatures; which knowledge may be truly termed divine in respect of the object, and natural in respect of the light. The bounds of this knowledge are, that it sufficeth to convince atheism, but not to inform religion; and therefore there was never miracle wrought by God to convert an atheist, because the light of nature might have led him to confess a God; but miracles have been wrought to convert idolaters and the superstitious, because no light of nature extendeth to declare the will and true worship of God. For as all works do show forth the power and skill of the workman, and not his image, so it is of the works of God, which do show the omnipotency and wisdom of the Maker, but not His image. And therefore therein the heathen opinion differeth from the sacred truth: for they supposed the world to be the image of God, and man to be an extract or compendious image of the world; but the Scriptures never vouchsafe to attribute to the world that honour, as to be the image of God, but only the work of His hands; neither do they speak of any other image of God but man. Wherefore by the contemplation of nature to induce and enforce the acknowledgment of God, and to demonstrate His power, providence, and goodness, is an excellent argument, and hath been excellently handled by divers, but on the other side, out of the contemplation of nature, or ground of human knowledges, to induce any verity or persuasion concerning the points of faith, is in my judgment not safe; Da fidei quæ fidei sunt. For the heathen themselves conclude as much in that excellent and divine fable of the golden chain, “That men and gods were not able to draw Jupiter down to the earth; but, contrariwise, Jupiter was able to draw them up to heaven.” So as we ought not to attempt to draw down or submit the mysteries of God to our reason, but contrariwise to raise and advance our reason to the divine truth. So as in this part of knowledge, touching divine philosophy, I am so far from noting any deficience, as I rather note an excess; whereunto I have digressed because of the extreme prejudice which both religion and philosophy hath received and may receive by being commixed together; as that which undoubtedly will make an heretical religion, and an imaginary and fabulous philosophy.

(2) Otherwise it is of the nature of angels and spirits, which is an appendix of theol-ogy, both divine and natural, and is neither inscrutable nor interdicted. For although the Scripture saith, “Let no man deceive you in sublime discourse touching the worship of angels, pressing into that he knoweth not,” &amp;c., yet notwithstanding if you observe well that precept, it may appear thereby that there be two things only forbidden - adoration of them, and opinion fantastical of them, either to extol them further than appertaineth to the degree of a creature, or to extol a man’s knowledge of them further than he hath ground. But the sober and grounded inquiry, which may arise out of the passages of Holy Scriptures, or out of the gradations of nature, is not restrained. So of degenerate and revolted spirits, the conversing with them or the employment of them is prohibited, much more any veneration towards them; but the contemplation or science of their nature, their power, their illusions, either by Scripture or reason, is a part of spiritual wisdom. For so the apostle saith, “We are not ignorant of his stratagems.” And it is no more unlawful to inquire the nature of evil spirits, than to inquire the force of poisons in nature, or the nature of sin and vice in morality. But this part touching angels and spirits I cannot note as deficient, for many have occupied themselves in it; I may rather challenge it, in many of the writers thereof, as fabulous and fantastical.

VII. 

(1) Leaving therefore divine philosophy or natural theology (not divinity or inspired theology, which we reserve for the last of all as the haven and sabbath of all man’s contemplations) we will now proceed to natural philosophy. If then it be true that Democritus said, “That the truth of nature lieth hid in certain deep mines and caves;” and if it be true likewise that the alchemists do so much inculcate, that Vulcan is a second nature, and imitateth that dexterously and compendiously, which nature worketh by ambages and length of time, it were good to divide natural philosophy into the mine and the furnace, and to make two professions or occupations of natural philosophers - some to be pioneers and some smiths; some to dig, and some to refine and hammer. And surely I do best allow of a division of that kind, though in more familiar and scholastical terms: namely, that these be the two parts of natural philosophy - the inquisition of causes, and the production of effects; speculative and operative; natural science, and natural prudence. For as in civil matters there is a wisdom of discourse, and a wisdom of direction; so is it in natural. And here I will make a request, that for the latter (or at least for a part thereof) I may revive and reintegrate the misapplied and abused name of natural magic, which in the true sense is but natural wisdom, or natural prudence; taken according to the ancient acception, purged from vanity and superstition. Now although it be true, and I know it well, that there is an intercourse between causes and effects, so as both these knowledges, speculative and operative, have a great connection between themselves; yet because all true and fruitful natural philosophy hath a double scale or ladder, ascendent and descendent, ascending from experiments to the invention of causes, and descending from causes to the invention of new experiments; therefore I judge it most requisite that these two parts be severally considered and handled.

(2) Natural science or theory is divided into physic and metaphysic; wherein I desire it may be conceived that I use the word metaphysic in a differing sense from that that is received. And in like manner, I doubt not but it will easily appear to men of judgment, that in this and other particulars, wheresoever my conception and notion may differ from the ancient, yet I am studious to keep the ancient terms. For hoping well to deliver myself from mistaking, by the order and perspicuous expressing of that I do propound, I am otherwise zealous and affectionate to recede as little from antiquity, either in terms or opinions, as may stand with truth and the proficience of knowledge. And herein I cannot a little marvel at the philosopher Aristotle, that did proceed in such a spirit of difference and contradiction towards all antiquity; undertaking not only to frame new words of science at pleasure, but to confound and extinguish all ancient wisdom; insomuch as he never nameth or mentioneth an ancient author or opinion, but to confute and reprove; wherein for glory, and drawing followers and disciples, he took the right course. For certainly there cometh to pass, and hath place in human truth, that which was noted and pronounced in the highest truth:- Veni in nomine partis, nec recipits me; si quis venerit in nomine suo eum recipietis. But in this divine aphorism (considering to whom it was applied, namely, to antichrist, the highest deceiver), we may discern well that the coming in a man’s own name, without regard of antiquity or paternity, is no good sign of truth, although it be joined with the fortune and success of an eum recipietis. But for this excellent person Aristotle, I will think of him that he learned that humour of his scholar, with whom it seemeth he did emulate; the one to conquer all opinions, as the other to conquer all nations. Wherein, nevertheless, it may be, he may at some men’s hands, that are of a bitter disposition, get a like title as his scholar did:-

“Felix terrarum prædo, non utile mundo

Editus exemplum, &amp;c.”

So,

“Felix doctrinæ prædo.”

But to me, on the other side, that do desire as much as lieth in my pen to ground a sociable intercourse between antiquity and proficience, it seemeth best to keep way with antiquity usque ad aras; and, therefore, to retain the ancient terms, though I sometimes alter the uses and definitions, according to the moderate proceeding in civil government; where, although there be some alteration, yet that holdeth which Tacitus wisely noteth, eadem magistratuum vocabula.

(3) To return, therefore, to the use and acception of the term metaphysic as I do now understand the word; it appeareth, by that which hath been already said, that I intend philosophia prima, summary philosophy and metaphysic, which heretofore have been confounded as one, to be two distinct things. For the one I have made as a parent or common ancestor to all knowledge; and the other I have now brought in as a branch or descendant of natural science. It appeareth likewise that I have assigned to summary philosophy the common principles and axioms which are promiscuous and indifferent to several sciences; I have assigned unto it likewise the inquiry touching the operation or the relative and adventive characters of essences, as quantity, similitude, diversity, possibility, and the rest, with this distinction and provision; that they be handled as they have efficacy in nature, and not logically. It appeareth likewise that natural theology, which heretofore hath been handled confusedly with metaphysic, I have enclosed and bounded by itself. It is therefore now a question what is left remaining for metaphysic; wherein I may without prejudice preserve thus much of the conceit of antiquity, that physic should contemplate that which is inherent in matter, and therefore transitory; and metaphysic that which is abstracted and fixed. And again, that physic should handle that which supposeth in nature only a being and moving; and metaphysic should handle that which supposeth further in nature a reason, understanding, and platform. But the difference, perspicuously expressed, is most familiar and sensible. For as we divided natural philosophy in general into the inquiry of causes and productions of effects, so that part which concerneth the inquiry of causes we do subdivide according to the received and sound division of causes. The one part, which is physic, inquireth and handleth the material and efficient causes; and the other, which is metaphysic, handleth the formal and final causes.

(4) Physic (taking it according to the derivation, and not according to our idiom for medicine) is situate in a middle term or distance between natural history and meta-physic. For natural history describeth the variety of things; physic the causes, but va-riable or respective causes; and metaphysic the fixed and constant causes.

“Limus ut hic durescit, et hæc ut cera liquescit,

Uno eodemque igni.”

Fire is the cause of induration, but respective to clay; fire is the cause of colliquation, but respective to wax. But fire is no constant cause either of induration or colliquation; so then the physical causes are but the efficient and the matter. Physic hath three parts, whereof two respect nature united or collected, the third contemplateth nature diffused or distributed. Nature is collected either into one entire total, or else into the same principles or seeds. So as the first doctrine is touching the contexture or configuration of things, as de mundo, de universitate rerum. The second is the doctrine concerning the principles or originals of things. The third is the doctrine concerning all variety and particularity of things; whether it be of the differing substances, or their differing qualities and natures; whereof there needeth no enumeration, this part being but as a gloss or paraphrase that attendeth upon the text of natural history. Of these three I cannot report any as deficient. In what truth or perfection they are handled, I make not now any judgment; but they are parts of knowledge not deserted by the labour of man.

(5) For metaphysic, we have assigned unto it the inquiry of formal and final causes; which assignation, as to the former of them, may seem to be nugatory and void, be-cause of the received and inveterate opinion, that the inquisition of man is not com-petent to find out essential forms or true differences; of which opinion we will take this hold, that the invention of forms is of all other parts of knowledge the worthiest to be sought, if it be possible to be found. As for the possibility, they are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can see nothing but sea. But it is manifest that Plato, in his opinion of ideas, as one that had a wit of elevation situate as upon a cliff, did descry that forms were the true object of knowledge; but lost the real fruit of his opinion, by considering of forms as absolutely abstracted from matter, and not confined and determined by matter; and so turning his opinion upon theology, wherewith all his natural philosophy is infected. But if any man shall keep a continual watchful and severe eye upon action, operation, and the use of knowledge, he may advise and take notice what are the forms, the disclosures whereof are fruitful and important to the state of man. For as to the forms of substances (man only except, of whom it is said, Formavit hominem de limo terræ, et spiravit in faciem ejus spiraculum vitæ, and not as of all other creatures, Producant aquæ, producat terra), the forms of substances I say (as they are now by compounding and transplanting multiplied) are so perplexed, as they are not to be inquired; no more than it were either possible or to purpose to seek in gross the forms of those sounds which make words, which by composition and transposition of letters are infinite. But, on the other side, to inquire the form of those sounds or voices which make simple letters is easily comprehensible; and being known induceth and manifesteth the forms of all words, which consist and are compounded of them. In the same manner to inquire the form of a lion, of an oak, of gold; nay, of water, of air, is a vain pursuit; but to inquire the forms of sense, of voluntary motion, of vegetation, of colours, of gravity and levity, of density, of tenuity, of heat, of cold, and all other natures and qualities, which, like an alphabet, are not many, and of which the essences (upheld by matter) of all creatures do consist; to inquire, I say, the true forms of these, is that part of metaphysic which we now define of. Not but that physic doth make inquiry and take consideration of the same natures; but how? Only as to the material and efficient causes of them, and not as to the forms. For example, if the cause of whiteness in snow or froth be inquired, and it be rendered thus, that the subtle intermixture of air and water is the cause, it is well rendered; but, nevertheless, is this the form of whiteness? No; but it is the efficient, which is ever but vehiculum formæ. This part of metaphysic I do not find laboured and performed; whereat I marvel not; because I hold it not possible to be invented by that course of invention which hath been used; in regard that men (which is the root of all error) have made too untimely a departure, and too remote a recess from particulars.

(6) But the use of this part of metaphysic, which I report as deficient, is of the rest the most excellent in two respects: the one, because it is the duty and virtue of all knowledge to abridge the infinity of individual experience, as much as the conception of truth will permit, and to remedy the complaint of vita brevis, ars longa; which is performed by uniting the notions and conceptions of sciences. For knowledges are as pyramids, whereof history is the basis. So of natural philosophy, the basis is natural history; the stage next the basis is physic; the stage next the vertical point is metaphysic. As for the vertical point, opus quod operatur Deus à principio usque ad finem, the summary law of nature, we know not whether man’s inquiry can attain unto it. But these three be the true stages of knowledge, and are to them that are depraved no better than the giants’ hills:-

“Ter sunt conati imponere Pelio Ossam,

Scilicet atque Ossæ frondsum involvere Olympum.”

But to those which refer all things to the glory of God, they are as the three acclama-tions, Sante, sancte, sancte! holy in the description or dilatation of His works; holy in the connection or concatenation of them; and holy in the union of them in a perpetual and uniform law. And, therefore, the speculation was excellent in Parmenides and Plato, although but a speculation in them, that all things by scale did ascend to unity. So then always that knowledge is worthiest which is charged with least multiplicity, which appeareth to be metaphysic; as that which considereth the simple forms or differences of things, which are few in number, and the degrees and co-ordinations whereof make all this variety. The second respect, which valueth and commendeth this part of metaphysic, is that it doth enfranchise the power of man unto the greatest liberty and possibility of works and effects. For physic carrieth men in narrow and restrained ways, subject to many accidents and impediments, imitating the ordinary flexuous courses of nature. But latæ undique sunt sapientibus viæ; to sapience (which was anciently defined to be rerum divinarum et humanarum scientia) there is ever a choice of means. For physical causes give light to new invention in simili materia. But whosoever knoweth any form, knoweth the utmost possibility of superinducing that nature upon any variety of matter; and so is less restrained in operation, either to the basis of the matter, or the condition of the efficient; which kind of knowledge Solomon likewise, though in a more divine sense, elegantly describeth: non arctabuntur gressus tui, et currens non habebis offendiculum. The ways of sapience are not much liable either to particularity or chance.

(7) The second part of metaphysic is the inquiry of final causes, which I am moved to report not as omitted, but as misplaced. And yet if it were but a fault in order, I would not speak of it; for order is matter of illustration, but pertaineth not to the substance of sciences. But this misplacing hath caused a deficience, or at least a great improficience in the sciences themselves. For the handling of final causes, mixed with the rest in physical inquiries, hath intercepted the severe and diligent inquiry of all real and physical causes, and given men the occasion to stay upon these satisfactory and specious causes, to the great arrest and prejudice of further discovery. For this I find done not only by Plato, who ever anchoreth upon that shore, but by Aristotle, Galen, and others which do usually likewise fall upon these flats of discoursing causes. For to say that “the hairs of the eyelids are for a quickset and fence about the sight;” or that “the firmness of the skins and hides of living creatures is to defend them from the extremities of heat or cold;” or that “the bones are for the columns or beams, whereupon the frames of the bodies of living creatures are built;” or that “the leaves of trees are for protecting of the fruit;” or that “the clouds are for watering of the earth;” or that “the solidness of the earth is for the station and mansion of living creatures;” and the like, is well inquired and collected in metaphysic, but in physic they are impertinent. Nay, they are, indeed, but remoras and hindrances to stay and slug the ship from further sailing; and have brought this to pass, that the search of the physical causes hath been neglected and passed in silence. And, therefore, the natural philosophy of Democritus and some others, who did not suppose a mind or reason in the frame of things, but attributed the form thereof able to maintain itself to infinite essays or proofs of Nature, which they term fortune, seemeth to me (as far as I can judge by the recital and fragments which remain unto us) in particularities of physical causes more real and better inquired than that of Aristotle and Plato; whereof both intermingled final causes, the one as a part of theology, and the other as a part of logic, which were the favourite studies respectively of both those persons; not because those final causes are not true and worthy to be inquired, being kept within their own province, but because their excursions into the limits of physical causes hath bred a vastness and solitude in that tract. For otherwise, keeping their precincts and borders, men are extremely deceived if they think there is an enmity or repugnancy at all between them. For the cause rendered, that “the hairs about the eyelids are for the safeguard of the sight,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “pilosity is incident to orifices of moisture - muscosi fontes, &amp;c.” Nor the cause rendered, that “the firmness of hides is for the armour of the body against extremities of heat or cold,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “contraction of pores is incident to the outwardest parts, in regard of their adjacence to foreign or unlike bodies;” and so of the rest, both causes being true and compatible, the one declaring an intention, the other a consequence only. Neither doth this call in question or derogate from Divine Providence, but highly confirm and exalt it. For as in civil actions he is the greater and deeper politique that can make other men the instruments of his will and ends, and yet never acquaint them with his purpose, so as they shall do it and yet not know what they do, than he that imparteth his meaning to those he employeth; so is the wisdom of God more admirable, when Nature intendeth one thing and Providence draweth forth another, than if He had communicated to particular creatures and motions the characters and impressions of His Providence. And thus much for metaphysic; the latter part whereof I allow as extant, but wish it confined to his proper place.

VIII. 

(1) Nevertheless, there remaineth yet another part of natural philosophy, which is commonly made a principal part, and holdeth rank with physic special and metaphysic, which is mathematic; but I think it more agreeable to the nature of things, and to the light of order, to place it as a branch of metaphysic. For the subject of it being quantity, not quantity indefinite, which is but a relative, and belongeth to philosophia prima (as hath been said), but quantity determined or proportionable, it appeareth to be one of the essential forms of things, as that that is causative in Nature of a number of effects; insomuch as we see in the schools both of Democritus and of Pythagoras that the one did ascribe figure to the first seeds of things, and the other did suppose numbers to be the principles and originals of things. And it is true also that of all other forms (as we understand forms) it is the most abstracted and separable from matter, and therefore most proper to metaphysic; which hath likewise been the cause why it hath been better laboured and inquired than any of the other forms, which are more immersed in matter. For it being the nature of the mind of man (to the extreme prejudice of knowledge) to delight in the spacious liberty of generalities, as in a champaign region, and not in the inclosures of particularity, the mathematics of all other knowledge were the goodliest fields to satisfy that appetite. But for the placing of this science, it is not much material: only we have endeavoured in these our partitions to observe a kind of perspective, that one part may cast light upon another.

(2) The mathematics are either pure or mixed. To the pure mathematics are those sciences belonging which handle quantity determinate, merely severed from any axioms of natural philosophy; and these are two, geometry and arithmetic, the one handling quantity continued, and the other dissevered. Mixed hath for subject some axioms or parts of natural philosophy, and considereth quantity determined, as it is auxiliary and incident unto them. For many parts of Nature can neither be invented with sufficient subtlety, nor demonstrated with sufficient perspicuity, nor accommodated unto use with sufficient dexterity, without the aid and intervening of the mathematics, of which sort are perspective, music, astronomy, cosmography, architecture, engineery, and divers others. In the mathematics I can report no deficience, except it be that men do not sufficiently understand this excellent use of the pure mathematics, in that they do remedy and cure many defects in the wit and faculties intellectual. For if the wit be too dull, they sharpen it; if too wandering, they fix it; if too inherent in the sense, they abstract it. So that as tennis is a game of no use in itself, but of great use in respect it maketh a quick eye and a body ready to put itself into all postures, so in the mathematics that use which is collateral and intervenient is no less worthy than that which is principal and intended. And as for the mixed mathematics, I may only make this prediction, that there cannot fail to be more kinds of them as Nature grows further disclosed. Thus much of natural science, or the part of Nature speculative.

(3) For natural prudence, or the part operative of natural philosophy, we will divide it into three parts - experimental, philosophical, and magical; which three parts active have a correspondence and analogy with the three parts speculative, natural history, physic, and metaphysic. For many operations have been invented, sometimes by a casual incidence and occurrence, sometimes by a purposed experiment; and of those which have been found by an intentional experiment, some have been found out by varying or extending the same experiment, some by transferring and compounding divers experiments the one into the other, which kind of invention an empiric may manage. Again, by the knowledge of physical causes there cannot fail to follow many indications and designations of new particulars, if men in their speculation will keep one eye upon use and practice. But these are but coastings along the shore, premendo littus iniquum; for it seemeth to me there can hardly be discovered any radical or fundamental alterations and innovations in Nature, either by the fortune and essays of experiments, or by the light and direction of physical causes. If, therefore, we have reported metaphysic deficient, it must follow that we do the like of natural magic, which hath relation thereunto. For as for the natural magic whereof now there is mention in books, containing certain credulous and superstitious conceits and observations of sympathies and antipathies, and hidden proprieties, and some frivolous experiments, strange rather by disguisement than in themselves, it is as far differing in truth of Nature from such a knowledge as we require as the story of King Arthur of Britain, or Hugh of Bourdeaux, differs from Cæsar’s Commentaries in truth of story; for it is manifest that Cæsar did greater things de vero than those imaginary heroes were feigned to do. But he did them not in that fabulous manner. Of this kind of learning the fable of Ixion was a figure, who designed to enjoy Juno, the goddess of power, and instead of her had copulation with a cloud, of which mixture were begotten centaurs and chimeras. So whosoever shall entertain high and vaporous imaginations, instead of a laborious and sober inquiry of truth, shall beget hopes and beliefs of strange and impossible shapes. And, therefore, we may note in these sciences which hold so much of imagination and belief, as this degenerate natural magic, alchemy, astrology, and the like, that in their propositions the description of the means is ever more monstrous than the pretence or end. For it is a thing more probable that he that knoweth well the natures of weight, of colour, of pliant and fragile in respect of the hammer, of volatile and fixed in respect of the fire, and the rest, may superinduce upon some metal the nature and form of gold by such mechanic as longeth to the production of the natures afore rehearsed, than that some grains of the medicine projected should in a few moments of time turn a sea of quicksilver or other material into gold. So it is more probable that he that knoweth the nature of arefaction, the nature of assimilation of nourishment to the thing nourished, the manner of increase and clearing of spirits, the manner of the depredations which spirits make upon the humours and solid parts, shall by ambages of diets, bathings, anointings, medicines, motions, and the like, prolong life, or restore some degree of youth or vivacity, than that it can be done with the use of a few drops or scruples of a liquor or receipt. To conclude, therefore, the true natural magic, which is that great liberty and latitude of operation which dependeth upon the knowledge of forms, I may report deficient, as the relative thereof is. To which part, if we be serious and incline not to vanities and plausible discourse, besides the deriving and deducing the operations themselves from metaphysic, there are pertinent two points of much purpose, the one by way of preparation, the other by way of caution. The first is, that there be made a calendar, resembling an inventory of the estate of man, containing all the inventions (being the works or fruits of Nature or art) which are now extant, and whereof man is already possessed; out of which doth naturally result a note what things are yet held impossible, or not invented, which calendar will be the more artificial and serviceable if to every reputed impossibility you add what thing is extant which cometh the nearest in degree to that impossibility; to the end that by these optatives and potentials man’s inquiry may be the more awake in deducing direction of works from the speculation of causes. And secondly, that these experiments be not only esteemed which have an immediate and present use, but those principally which are of most universal consequence for invention of other experiments, and those which give most light to the invention of causes; for the invention of the mariner’s needle, which giveth the direction, is of no less benefit for navigation than the invention of the sails which give the motion.

(4) Thus have I passed through natural philosophy and the deficiences thereof; wherein if I have differed from the ancient and received doctrines, and thereby shall move contradiction, for my part, as I affect not to dissent, so I purpose not to contend. If it be truth,

“Non canimus surdis, respondent omnia sylvæ,”

the voice of Nature will consent, whether the voice of man do or no. And as Alexander Borgia was wont to say of the expedition of the French for Naples, that they came with chalk in their hands to mark up their lodgings, and not with weapons to fight; so I like better that entry of truth which cometh peaceably with chalk to mark up those minds which are capable to lodge and harbour it, than that which cometh with pugnacity and contention.

(5) But there remaineth a division of natural philosophy according to the report of the inquiry, and nothing concerning the matter or subject: and that is positive and considerative, when the inquiry reporteth either an assertion or a doubt. These doubts or non liquets are of two sorts, particular and total. For the first, we see a good example thereof in Aristotle’s Problems which deserved to have had a better continuance; but so nevertheless as there is one point whereof warning is to be given and taken. The registering of doubts hath two excellent uses: the one, that it saveth philosophy from errors and falsehoods; when that which is not fully appearing is not collected into assertion, whereby error might draw error, but reserved in doubt; the other, that the entry of doubts are as so many suckers or sponges to draw use of knowledge; insomuch as that which if doubts had not preceded, a man should never have advised, but passed it over without note, by the suggestion and solicitation of doubts is made to be attended and applied. But both these commodities do scarcely countervail and inconvenience, which will intrude itself if it be not debarred; which is, that when a doubt is once received, men labour rather how to keep it a doubt still, than how to solve it, and accordingly bend their wits. Of this we see the familiar example in lawyers and scholars, both which, if they have once admitted a doubt, it goeth ever after authorised for a doubt. But that use of wit and knowledge is to be allowed, which laboureth to make doubtful things certain, and not those which labour to make certain things doubtful. Therefore these calendars of doubts I commend as excellent things; so that there he this caution used, that when they be thoroughly sifted and brought to resolution, they be from thenceforth omitted, discarded, and not continued to cherish and encourage men in doubting. To which calendar of doubts or problems I advise be annexed another calendar, as much or more material which is a calendar of popular errors: I mean chiefly in natural history, such as pass in speech and conceit, and are nevertheless apparently detected and convicted of untruth, that man’s knowledge be not weakened nor embased by such dross and vanity. As for the doubts or non liquets general or in total, I understand those differences of opinions touching the principles of nature, and the fundamental points of the same, which have caused the diversity of sects, schools, and philosophies, as that of Empedocles, Pythagoras, Democritus, Parmenides, and the rest. For although Aristotle, as though he had been of the race of the Ottomans, thought he could not reign except the first thing he did he killed all his brethren; yet to those that seek truth and not magistrality, it cannot but seem a matter of great profit, to see before them the several opinions touching the foundations of nature. Not for any exact truth that can be expected in those theories; for as the same phenomena in astronomy are satisfied by this received astronomy of the diurnal motion, and the proper motions of the planets, with their eccentrics and epicycles, and likewise by the theory of Copernicus, who supposed the earth to move, and the calculations are indifferently agreeable to both, so the ordinary face and view of experience is many times satisfied by several theories and philosophies; whereas to find the real truth requireth another manner of severity and attention. For as Aristotle saith, that children at the first will call every woman mother, but afterward they come to distinguish according to truth, so experience, if it be in childhood, will call every philosophy mother, but when it cometh to ripeness it will discern the true mother. So as in the meantime it is good to see the several glosses and opinions upon Nature, whereof it may be everyone in some one point hath seen clearer than his fellows, therefore I wish some collection to be made painfully and understandingly de antiquis philosophiis, out of all the possible light which remaineth to us of them: which kind of work I find deficient. But here I must give warning, that it be done distinctly and se-veredly; the philosophies of everyone throughout by themselves, and not by titles packed and faggoted up together, as hath been done by Plutarch. For it is the harmony of a philosophy in itself, which giveth it light and credence; whereas if it be singled and broken, it will seem more foreign and dissonant. For as when I read in Tacitus the actions of Nero or Claudius, with circumstances of times, inducements, and occasions, I find them not so strange; but when I read them in Suetonius Tranquillus, gathered into titles and bundles and not in order of time, they seem more monstrous and incredible: so is it of any philosophy reported entire, and dismembered by articles. Neither do I exclude opinions of latter times to be likewise represented in this calendar of sects of philosophy, as that of Theophrastus Paracelsus, eloquently reduced into an harmony by the pen of Severinus the Dane; and that of Tilesius, and his scholar Donius, being as a pastoral philosophy, full of sense, but of no great depth; and that of Fracastorius, who, though he pretended not to make any new philosophy, yet did use the absoluteness of his own sense upon the old; and that of Gilbertus our countryman, who revived, with some alterations and demonstrations, the opinions of Xenophanes; and any other worthy to be admitted.

(6) Thus have we now dealt with two of the three beams of man’s knowledge; that is radius directus, which is referred to nature, radius refractus, which is referred to God, and cannot report truly because of the inequality of the medium. There resteth radius reflexus, whereby man beholdeth and contemplateth himself.

IX. 

(1) We come therefore now to that knowledge whereunto the ancient oracle directeth us, which is the knowledge of ourselves; which deserveth the more accurate handling, by how much it toucheth us more nearly. This knowledge, as it is the end and term of natural philosophy in the intention of man, so notwithstanding it is but a portion of natural philosophy in the continent of Nature. And generally let this be a rule, that all partitions of knowledges be accepted rather for lines and veins than for sections and separations; and that the continuance and entireness of knowledge be preserved. For the contrary hereof hath made particular sciences to become barren, shallow, and erroneous, while they have not been nourished and maintained from the common fountain. So we see Cicero, the orator, complained of Socrates and his school, that he was the first that separated philosophy and rhetoric; whereupon rhetoric became an empty and verbal art. So we may see that the opinion of Copernicus, touching the rotation of the earth, which astronomy itself cannot correct, because it is not repugnant to any of the phenomena, yet natural philosophy may correct. So we see also that the science of medicine if it be destituted and forsaken by natural philosophy, it is not much better than an empirical practice. With this reservation, therefore, we proceed to human philosophy or humanity, which hath two parts: the one considereth man segregate or distributively, the other congregate or in society; so as human philosophy is either simple and particular, or conjugate and civil. Humanity particular consisteth of the same parts whereof man consisteth: that is, of knowledges which respect the body, and of knowledges that respect the mind. But before we distribute so far, it is good to constitute. For I do take the consideration in general, and at large, of human nature to be fit to be emancipate and made a knowledge by itself, not so much in regard of those delightful and elegant discourses which have been made of the dignity of man, of his miseries, of his state and life, and the like adjuncts of his common and undivided nature; but chiefly in regard of the knowledge concerning the sympathies and concordances between the mind and body, which being mixed cannot be properly assigned to the sciences of either.

(2) This knowledge hath two branches: for as all leagues and amities consist of mutual intelligence and mutual offices, so this league of mind and body hath these two parts: how the one discloseth the other, and how the one worketh upon the other; discovery and impression. The former of these hath begotten two arts, both of prediction or prenotion; whereof the one is honoured with the inquiry of Aristotle, and the other of Hippocrates. And although they have of later time been used to be coupled with superstitions and fantastical arts, yet being purged and restored to their true state, they have both of them a solid ground in Nature, and a profitable use in life. The first is physiognomy, which discovereth the disposition of the mind by the lineaments of the body. The second is the exposition of natural dreams, which discovereth the state of the body by the imaginations of the mind. In the former of these I note a deficience. For Aristotle hath very ingeniously and diligently handled the factures of the body, but not the gestures of the body, which are no less comprehensible by art, and of greater use and advantage. For the lineaments of the body do disclose the disposition and inclination of the mind in general; but the motions of the countenance and parts do not only so, but do further disclose the present humour and state of the mind and will. For as your majesty saith most aptly and elegantly, “As the tongue speaketh to the ear so the gesture speaketh to the eye.” And, therefore, a number of subtle persons, whose eyes do dwell upon the faces and fashions of men, do well know the advantage of this observation, as being most part of their ability; neither can it be denied, but that it is a great discovery of dissimulations, and a great direction in business.

(3) The latter branch, touching impression, hath not been collected into art, but hath been handled dispersedly; and it hath the same relation or antistrophe that the former hath. For the consideration is double - either how and how far the humours and affects of the body do alter or work upon the mind, or, again, how and how far the passions or apprehensions of the mind do alter or work upon the body. The former of these hath been inquired and considered as a part and appendix of medicine, but much more as a part of religion or superstition. For the physician prescribeth cures of the mind in frenzies and melancholy passions, and pretendeth also to exhibit medicines to exhilarate the mind, to control the courage, to clarify the wits, to corroborate the memory, and the like; but the scruples and superstitions of diet and other regiment of the body in the sect of the Pythagoreans, in the heresy of the Manichees, and in the law of Mahomet, do exceed. So likewise the ordinances in the ceremonial law, interdicting the eating of the blood and the fat, distinguishing between beasts clean and unclean for meat, are many and strict; nay, the faith itself being clear and serene from all clouds of ceremony, yet retaineth the use of fastlings, abstinences, and other macerations and humiliations of the body, as things real, and not figurative. The root and life of all which prescripts is (besides the ceremony) the consideration of that dependency which the affections of the mind are submitted unto upon the state and disposition of the body. And if any man of weak judgment do conceive that this suffering of the mind from the body doth either question the immortality, or derogate from the sovereignty of the soul, he may be taught, in easy instances, that the infant in the mother’s womb is compatible with the mother, and yet separable; and the most absolute monarch is sometimes led by his servants, and yet without subjection. As for the reciprocal knowledge, which is the operation of the conceits and passions of the mind upon the body, we see all wise physicians, in the prescriptions of their regiments to their patients, do ever consider accidentia animi, as of great force to further or hinder remedies or recoveries: and more specially it is an inquiry of great depth and worth concerning imagination, how and how far it altereth the body proper of the imaginant; for although it hath a manifest power to hurt, it followeth not it hath the same degree of power to help. No more than a man can conclude, that because there be pestilent airs, able suddenly to kill a man in health, therefore there should be sovereign airs, able suddenly to cure a man in sickness. But the inquisition of this part is of great use, though it needeth, as Socrates said, “a Delian diver,” being difficult and profound. But unto all this knowledge de communi vinculo, of the concordances between the mind and the body, that part of inquiry is most necessary which considereth of the seats and domiciles which the several faculties of the mind do take and occupate in the organs of the body; which knowledge hath been attempted, and is controverted, and deserveth to be much better inquired. For the opinion of Plato, who placed the understanding in the brain, animosity (which he did unfitly call anger, having a greater mixture with pride) in the heart, and concupiscence or sensuality in the liver, deserveth not to be despised, but much less to be allowed. So, then, we have constituted (as in our own wish and advice) the inquiry touching human nature entire, as a just portion of knowledge to be handled apart.

X. 

(1) The knowledge that concerneth man’s body is divided as the good of man’s body is divided, unto which it referreth. The good of man’s body is of four kinds - health, beauty, strength, and pleasure: so the knowledges are medicine, or art of cure; art of decoration, which is called cosmetic; art of activity, which is called athletic; and art voluptuary, which Tacitus truly calleth eruditus luxus. This subject of man’s body is, of all other things in nature, most susceptible of remedy; but then that remedy is most susceptible of error; for the same subtlety of the subject doth cause large possibility and easy failing, and therefore the inquiry ought to be the more exact.

(2) To speak, therefore, of medicine, and to resume that we have said, ascending a little higher: the ancient opinion that man was microcosmus - an abstract or model of the world - hath been fantastically strained by Paracelsus and the alchemists, as if there were to be found in man’s body certain correspondences and parallels, which should have respect to all varieties of things, as stars, planets, minerals, which are extant in the great world. But thus much is evidently true, that of all substances which nature hath produced, man’s body is the most extremely compounded. For we see herbs and plants are nourished by earth and water; beasts for the most part by herbs and fruits; man by the flesh of beasts, birds, fishes, herbs, grains, fruits, water, and the manifold alterations, dressings, and preparations of these several bodies before they come to be his food and aliment. Add hereunto that beasts have a more simple order of life, and less change of affections to work upon their bodies, whereas man in his mansion, sleep, exercise, passions, hath infinite variations: and it cannot be denied but that the body of man of all other things is of the most compounded mass. The soul, on the other side, is the simplest of substances, as is well expressed:

“Purumque reliquit

Æthereum sensum atque auraï simplicis ignem.”

So that it is no marvel though the soul so placed enjoy no rest, if that principle be true, that Motus rerum est rapidus extra locum, placidus in loco. But to the purpose. This variable composition of man’s body hath made it as an instrument easy to distemper; and, therefore, the poets did well to conjoin music and medicine in Apollo, because the office of medicine is but to tune this curious harp of man’s body and to reduce it to harmony. So, then, the subject being so variable hath made the art by consequent more conjectural; and the art being conjectural hath made so much the more place to be left for imposture. For almost all other arts and sciences are judged by acts or masterpieces, as I may term them, and not by the successes and events. The lawyer is judged by the virtue of his pleading, and not by the issue of the cause; this master in this ship is judged by the directing his course aright, and not by the fortune of the voyage; but the physician, and perhaps this politique, hath no particular acts demonstrative of his ability, but is judged most by the event, which is ever but as it is taken: for who can tell, if a patient die or recover, or if a state be preserved or ruined, whether it be art or accident? And therefore many times the impostor is prized, and the man of virtue taxed. Nay, we see [the] weakness and credulity of men is such, as they will often refer a mountebank or witch before a learned physician. And therefore the poets were clear-sighted in discerning this extreme folly when they made Æsculapius and Circe, brother and sister, both children of the sun, as in the verses -

“Ipse repertorem medicinæ talis et artis

Fulmine Phœbigenam Stygias detrusit ad undas.”

And again -

“Dives inaccessos ubi Solis filia lucos,” &amp;c.

For in all times, in the opinion of the multitude, witches and old women and impos-tors, have had a competition with physicians. And what followeth? Even this, that physicians say to themselves, as Solomon expresseth it upon a higher occasion, “If it befall to me as befalleth to the fools, why should I labour to be more wise?” And therefore I cannot much blame physicians that they use commonly to intend some other art or practice, which they fancy more than their profession; for you shall have of them antiquaries, poets, humanists, statesmen, merchants, divines, and in every of these better seen than in their profession; and no doubt upon this ground that they find that mediocrity and excellency in their art maketh no difference in profit or rep-utation towards their fortune: for the weakness of patients, and sweetness of life, and nature of hope, maketh men depend upon physicians with all their defects. But, nevertheless, these things which we have spoken of are courses begotten between a little occasion and a great deal of sloth and default; for if we will excite and awake our observation, we shall see in familiar instances what a predominant faculty the subtlety of spirit hath over the variety of matter or form. Nothing more variable than faces and countenances, yet men can bear in memory the infinite distinctions of them; nay, a painter, with a few shells of colours, and the benefit of his eye, and habit of his imagination, can imitate them all that ever have been, are, or may be, if they were brought before him. Nothing more variable than voices, yet men can likewise discern them personally: nay, you shall have a buffon or pantomimus will express as many as he pleaseth. Nothing more variable than the differing sounds of words; yet men have found the way to reduce them to a few simple letters. So that it is not the insufficiency or incapacity of man’s mind, but it is the remote standing or placing thereof that breedeth these mazes and incomprehensions; for as the sense afar off is full of mistaking, but is exact at hand, so is it of the understanding, the remedy whereof is, not to quicken or strengthen the organ, but to go nearer to the object; and therefore there is no doubt but if the physicians will learn and use the true approaches and avenues of nature, they may assume as much as the poet saith:

“Et quoniam variant morbi, variabimus artes;

Mille mali species, mille salutis erunt.”

Which that they should do, the nobleness of their art doth deserve: well shadowed by the poets, in that they made Æsculapius to be the son of [the] sun, the one being the fountain of life, the other as the second-stream; but infinitely more honoured by the example of our Saviour, who made the body of man the object of His miracles, as the soul was the object of His doctrine. For we read not that ever He vouchsafed to do any miracle about honour or money (except that one for giving tribute to Cæsar), but only about the preserving, sustaining, and healing the body of man.

(3) Medicine is a science which hath been (as we have said) more professed than la-boured, and yet more laboured than advanced; the labour having been, in my judg-ment, rather in circle than in progression. For I find much iteration, but small addition. It considereth causes of diseases, with the occasions or impulsions; the diseases themselves, with the accidents; and the cures, with the preservations. The deficiences which I think good to note, being a few of many, and those such as are of a more open and manifest nature, I will enumerate and not place.

(4) The first is the discontinuance of the ancient and serious diligence of Hippocrates, which used to set down a narrative of the special cases of his patients, and how they proceeded, and how they were judged by recovery or death. Therefore having an example proper in the father of the art, I shall not need to allege an example foreign, of the wisdom of the lawyers, who are careful to report new cases and decisions, for the direction of future judgments. This continuance of medicinal history I find deficient; which I understand neither to be so infinite as to extend to every common case, nor so reserved as to admit none but wonders: for many things are new in this manner, which are not new in the kind; and if men will intend to observe, they shall find much worthy to observe.

(5) In the inquiry which is made by anatomy, I find much deficience: for they inquire of the parts, and their substances, figures, and collocations; but they inquire not of the diversities of the parts, the secrecies of the passages, and the seats or nestling of the humours, nor much of the footsteps and impressions of diseases. The reason of which omission I suppose to be, because the first inquiry may be satisfied in the view of one or a few anatomies; but the latter, being comparative and casual, must arise from the view of many. And as to the diversity of parts, there is no doubt but the facture or framing of the inward parts is as full of difference as the outward, and in that is the cause continent of many diseases; which not being observed, they quarrel many times with the humours, which are not in fault; the fault being in the very frame and mechanic of the part, which cannot be removed by medicine alterative, but must be accommodated and palliated by diets and medicines familiar. And for the passages and pores, it is true which was anciently noted, that the more subtle of them appear not in anatomies, because they are shut and latent in dead bodies, though they be open and manifest in life: which being supposed, though the inhumanity of anatomia vivorum was by Celsus justly reproved; yet in regard of the great use of this observation, the inquiry needed not by him so slightly to have been relinquished altogether, or referred to the casual practices of surgery; but might have been well diverted upon the dissection of beasts alive, which notwithstanding the dissimilitude of their parts may sufficiently satisfy this inquiry. And for the humours, they are commonly passed over in anatomies as purgaments; whereas it is most necessary to observe, what cavities, nests, and receptacles the humours do find in the parts, with the differing kind of the humour so lodged and received. And as for the footsteps of diseases, and their devastations of the inward parts, impostumations, exulcerations, discontinuations, putrefactions, consumptions, contractions, extensions, convulsions, dislocations, obstructions, repletions, together with all preternatural substances, as stones, carnosities, excrescences, worms, and the like; they ought to have been exactly observed by multitude of anatomies, and the contribution of men’s several experiences, and carefully set down both historically according to the appearances, and artificially with a reference to the diseases and symptoms which resulted from them, in case where the anatomy is of a defunct patient; whereas now upon opening of bodies they are passed over slightly and in silence.

(6) In the inquiry of diseases, they do abandon the cures of many, some as in their nature incurable, and others as past the period of cure; so that Sylla and the Triumvirs never proscribed so many men to die, as they do by their ignorant edicts: whereof numbers do escape with less difficulty than they did in the Roman prescriptions. Therefore I will not doubt to note as a deficience, that they inquire not the perfect cures of many diseases, or extremities of diseases; but pronouncing them incurable do enact a law of neglect, and exempt ignorance from discredit.

(7) Nay further, I esteem it the office of a physician not only to restore health, but to mitigate pain and dolors; and not only when such mitigation may conduce to recovery, but when it may serve to make a fair and easy passage. For it is no small felicity which Augustus Cæsar was wont to wish to himself, that same Euthanasia; and which was specially noted in the death of Antoninus Pius, whose death was after the fashion, and semblance of a kindly and pleasant sheep. So it is written of Epicurus, that after his disease was judged desperate, he drowned his stomach and senses with a large draught and ingurgitation of wine; whereupon the epigram was made, Hinc Stygias ebrius hausit aquas; he was not sober enough to taste any bitterness of the Stygian water. But the physicians contrariwise do make a kind of scruple and religion to stay with the patient after the disease is deplored; whereas in my judgment they ought both to inquire the skill, and to give the attendances, for the facilitating and assuaging of the pains and agonies of death.

(5) In the consideration of the cures of diseases, I find a deficience in the receipts of propriety, respecting the particular cures of diseases: for the physicians have frustrated the fruit of tradition and experience by their magistralities, in adding and taking out and changing quid pro qua in their receipts, at their pleasures; commanding so over the medicine, as the medicine cannot command over the disease. For except it be treacle and mithridatum, and of late diascordium, and a few more, they tie themselves to no receipts severely and religiously. For as to the confections of sale which are in the shops, they are for readiness and not for propriety. For they are upon general intentions of purging, opening, comforting, altering, and not much appropriate to particular diseases. And this is the cause why empirics and old women are more happy many times in their cures than learned physicians, because they are more religious in holding their medicines. Therefore here is the deficience which I find, that physicians have not, partly out of their own practice, partly out of the constant probations reported in books, and partly out of the traditions of empirics, set down and delivered over certain experimental medicines for the cure of particular diseases, besides their own conjectural and magistral descriptions. For as they were the men of the best composition in the state of Rome, which either being consuls inclined to the people, or being tribunes inclined to the senate; so in the matter we now handle, they be the best physicians, which being learned incline to the traditions of experience, or being empirics incline to the methods of learning.

(9) In preparation of medicines I do find strange, specially considering how mineral medicines have been extolled, and that they are safer for the outward than inward parts, that no man hath sought to make an imitation by art of natural baths and medicinable fountains: which nevertheless are confessed to receive their virtues from minerals; and not so only, but discerned and distinguished from what particular mineral they receive tincture, as sulphur, vitriol, steel, or the like; which nature, if it may be reduced to compositions of art, both the variety of them will be increased, and the temper of them will be more commanded.

(10) But lest I grow to be more particular than is agreeable either to my intention or to proportion, I will conclude this part with the note of one deficience more, which seemeth to me of greatest consequence: which is, that the prescripts in use are too compendious to attain their end; for, to my understanding, it is a vain and flattering opinion to think any medicine can be so sovereign or so happy, as that the receipt or miss of it can work any great effect upon the body of man. It were a strange speech which spoken, or spoken oft, should reclaim a man from a vice to which he were by nature subject. It is order, pursuit, sequence, and interchange of application, which is mighty in nature; which although it require more exact knowledge in prescribing, and more precise obedience in observing, yet is recompensed with the magnitude of effects. And although a man would think, by the daily visitations of the physicians, that there were a pursuance in the cure, yet let a man look into their prescripts and ministrations, and he shall find them but inconstancies and every day’s devices, without any settled providence or project. Not that every scrupulous or superstitious prescript is effectual, no more than every straight way is the way to heaven; but the truth of the direction must precede severity of observance.

(11) For cosmetic, it hath parts civil, and parts effeminate: for cleanness of body was ever esteemed to proceed from a due reverence to God, to society, and to ourselves. As for artificial decoration, it is well worthy of the deficiences which it hath; being neither fine enough to deceive, nor handsome to use, nor wholesome to please.

(12) For athletic, I take the subject of it largely, that is to say, for any point of ability whereunto the body of man may be brought, whether it be of activity, or of patience; whereof activity hath two parts, strength and swiftness; and patience likewise hath two parts, hardness against wants and extremities, and endurance of pain or torment; whereof we see the practices in tumblers, in savages, and in those that suffer punishment. Nay, if there be any other faculty which falls not within any of the former divisions, as in those that dive, that obtain a strange power of containing respiration, and the like, I refer it to this part. Of these things the practices are known, but the philosophy that concerneth them is not much inquired; the rather, I think, because they are supposed to be obtained, either by an aptness of nature, which cannot be taught, or only by continual custom, which is soon prescribed which though it be not true, yet I forbear to note any deficiences; for the Olympian games are down long since, and the mediocrity of these things is for use; as for the excellency of them it serveth for the most part but for mercenary ostentation.

(13) For arts of pleasure sensual, the chief deficience in them is of laws to repress them. For as it hath been well observed, that the arts which flourish in times while virtue is in growth, are military; and while virtue is in state, are liberal; and while virtue is in declination, are voluptuary: so I doubt that this age of the world is somewhat upon the descent of the wheel. With arts voluptuary I couple practices joculary; for the deceiving of the senses is one of the pleasures of the senses. As for games of recreation, I hold them to belong to civil life and education. And thus much of that particular human philosophy which concerns the body, which is but the tabernacle of the mind.

XI. 

(1) For human knowledge which concerns the mind, it hath two parts; the one that inquireth of the substance or nature of the soul or mind, the other that inquireth of the faculties or functions thereof. Unto the first of these, the considerations of the original of the soul, whether it be native or adventive, and how far it is exempted from laws of matter, and of the immortality thereof, and many other points, do appertain: which have been not more laboriously inquired than variously reported; so as the travail therein taken seemeth to have been rather in a maze than in a way. But although I am of opinion that this knowledge may be more really and soundly inquired, even in nature, than it hath been, yet I hold that in the end it must be hounded by religion, or else it will be subject to deceit and delusion. For as the substance of the soul in the creation was not extracted out of the mass of heaven and earth by the benediction of a producat, but was immediately inspired from God, so it is not possible that it should be (otherwise than by accident) subject to the laws of heaven and earth, which are the subject of philosophy; and therefore the true knowledge of the nature and state of the soul must come by the same inspiration that gave the substance. Unto this part of knowledge touching the soul there be two appendices; which, as they have been handled, have rather vapoured forth fables than kindled truth: divination and fascination.

(2) Divination hath been anciently and fitly divided into artificial and natural: whereof artificial is, when the mind maketh a prediction by argument, concluding upon signs and tokens; natural is, when the mind hath a presention by an internal power, without the inducement of a sign. Artificial is of two sorts: either when the argument is coupled with a derivation of causes, which is rational; or when it is only grounded upon a coincidence of the effect, which is experimental: whereof the latter for the most part is superstitious, such as were the heathen observations upon the inspection of sacrifices, the flights of birds, the swarming of bees; and such as was the Chaldean astrology, and the like. For artificial divination, the several kinds thereof are distributed amongst particular knowledges. The astronomer hath his predictions, as of conjunctions, aspects, eclipses, and the like. The physician hath his predictions, of death, of recovery, of the accidents and issues of diseases. The politique hath his predictions; O urbem venalem, et cito perituram, si emptorem invenerit! which stayed not long to be performed, in Sylla first, and after in Cæsar: so as these predictions are now impertinent, and to be referred over. But the divination which springeth from the internal nature of the soul is that which we now speak of; which hath been made to be of two sorts, primitive and by influxion. Primitive is grounded upon the supposition that the mind, when it is withdrawn and collected into itself, and not diffused into the organs of the body, hath some extent and latitude of prenotion; which therefore appeareth most in sleep, in ecstasies, and near death, and more rarely in waking apprehensions; and is induced and furthered by those abstinences and observances which make the mind most to consist in itself. By influxion, is grounded upon the conceit that the mind, as a mirror or glass, should take illumination from the foreknowledge of God and spirits: unto which the same regiment doth likewise conduce. For the retiring of the mind within itself is the state which is most suscept-ible of divine influxions; save that it is accompanied in this case with a fervency and elevation (which the ancients noted by fury), and not with a repose and quiet, as it is in the other.

(3) Fascination is the power and act of imagination intensive upon other bodies than the body of the imaginant, for of that we spake in the proper place. Wherein the school of Paracelsus, and the disciples of pretended natural magic, have been so in-temperate, as they have exalted the power of the imagination to be much one with the power of miracle-working faith. Others, that draw nearer to probability, calling to their view the secret passages of things, and specially of the contagion that passeth from body to body, do conceive it should likewise be agreeable to nature that there should be some transmissions and operations from spirit to spirit without the mediation of the senses; whence the conceits have grown (now almost made civil) of the mastering spirit, and the force of confidence, and the like. Incident unto this is the inquiry how to raise and fortify the imagination; for if the imagination fortified have power, then it is material to know how to fortify and exalt it. And herein comes in crookedly and dangerously a palliation of a great part of ceremonial magic. For it may be pretended that ceremonies, characters, and charms do work, not by any tacit or sacramental contract with evil spirits, but serve only to strengthen the imagination of him that useth it; as images are said by the Roman Church to fix the cogitations and raise the devotions of them that pray before them. But for mine own judgment, if it be admitted that imagination hath power, and that ceremonies fortify imagination, and that they be used sincerely and intentionally for that purpose; yet I should hold them unlawful, as opposing to that first edict which God gave unto man, In sudore vultus comedes panem tuum. For they propound those noble effects, which God hath set forth unto man to be bought at the price of labour, to be attained by a few easy and slothful observances. Deficiences in these knowledges I will report none, other than the general deficience, that it is not known how much of them is verity, and how much vanity.

XII. 

(1) The knowledge which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man is of two kinds - the one respecting his understanding and reason, and the other his will, appetite, and affection; whereof the former produceth position or decree, the latter action or execution. It is true that the imagination is an agent or nuncius in both provinces, both the judicial and the ministerial. For sense sendeth over to imagination before reason have judged, and reason sendeth over to imagination before the decree can be acted. For imagination ever precedeth voluntary motion. Saving that this Janus of imagination hath differing faces: for the face towards reason hath the print of truth, but the face towards action hath the print of good; which nevertheless are faces,

“Quales decet esse sororum.”

Neither is the imagination simply and only a messenger; but is invested with, or at least wise usurpeth no small authority in itself, besides the duty of the message. For it was well said by Aristotle, “That the mind hath over the body that commandment, which the lord hath over a bondman; but that reason hath over the imagination that commandment which a magistrate hath over a free citizen,” who may come also to rule in his turn. For we see that, in matters of faith and religion, we raise our imagination above our reason, which is the cause why religion sought ever access to the mind by similitudes, types, parables, visions, dreams. And again, in all persuasions that are wrought by eloquence, and other impressions of like nature, which do paint and disguise the true appearance of things, the chief recommendation unto reason is from the imagination. Nevertheless, because I find not any science that doth properly or fitly pertain to the imagination, I see no cause to alter the former division. For as for poesy, it is rather a pleasure or play of imagination than a work or duty thereof. And if it be a work, we speak not now of such parts of learning as the imagination produceth, but of such sciences as handle and consider of the imagination. No more than we shall speak now of such knowledges as reason produceth (for that extendeth to all philosophy), but of such knowledges as do handle and inquire of the faculty of reason: so as poesy had his true place. As for the power of the imagination in nature, and the manner of fortifying the same, we have mentioned it in the doctrine De Anima, whereunto most fitly it belongeth. And lastly, for imaginative or insinuative reason, which is the subject of rhetoric, we think it best to refer it to the arts of reason. So therefore we content ourselves with the former division, that human philosophy, which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man, hath two parts, rational and moral.

(2) The part of human philosophy which is rational is of all knowledges, to the most wits, the least delightful, and seemeth but a net of subtlety and spinosity. For as it was truly said, that knowledge is pabulum animi; so in the nature of men’s appetite to this food most men are of the taste and stomach of the Israelites in the desert, that would fain have returned ad ollas carnium, and were weary of manna; which, though it were celestial, yet seemed less nutritive and comfortable. So generally men taste well knowledges that are drenched in flesh and blood, civil history, morality, policy, about the which men’s affections, praises, fortunes do turn and are conversant. But this same lumen siccum doth parch and offend most men’s watery and soft natures. But to speak truly of things as they are in worth, rational knowledges are the keys of all other arts, for as Aristotle saith aptly and elegantly, “That the hand is the instrument of instruments, and the mind is the form of forms;” so these be truly said to be the art of arts. Neither do they only direct, but likewise confirm and strengthen; even as the habit of shooting doth not only enable to shoot a nearer shoot, but also to draw a stronger bow.

(3) The arts intellectual are four in number, divided according to the ends whereunto they are referred - for man’s labour is to invent that which is sought or propounded; or to judge that which is invented; or to retain that which is judged; or to deliver over that which is retained. So as the arts must be four - art of inquiry or invention; art of examination or judgment; art of custody or memory; and art of elocution or tradition.

XIII. 

(1) Invention is of two kinds much differing - the one of arts and sciences, and the other of speech and arguments. The former of these I do report deficient; which seemeth to me to be such a deficience as if, in the making of an inventory touching the state of a defunct, it should be set down that there is no ready money. For as money will fetch all other commodities, so this knowledge is that which should purchase all the rest. And like as the West Indies had never been discovered if the use of the mariner’s needle had not been first discovered, though the one be vast regions, and the other a small motion; so it cannot be found strange if sciences be no further discovered, if the art itself of invention and discovery hath been passed over.

(2) That this part of knowledge is wanting, to my judgment standeth plainly con-fessed; for first, logic doth not pretend to invent sciences, or the axioms of sciences, but passeth it over with a cuique in sua arte credendum. And Celsus acknowledgeth it gravely, speaking of the empirical and dogmatical sects of physicians, “That medicines and cures were first found out, and then after the reasons and causes were discoursed; and not the causes first found out, and by light from them the medicines and cures discovered.” And Plato in his “Theætetus” noteth well, “That particulars are infinite, and the higher generalities give no sufficient direction; and that the pith of all sciences, which maketh the artsman differ from the inexpert, is in the middle propositions, which in every particular knowledge are taken from tradition and experience.” And therefore we see, that they which discourse of the inventions and originals of things refer them rather to chance than to art, and rather to beasts, birds, fishes, serpents, than to men.

“Dictamnum genetrix Cretæa carpit ab Ida,

Puberibus caulem foliis et flore camantem

Purpureo; non illa feris incognita capris

Gramina, cum tergo volucres hæsere sagittæ.”

So that it was no marvel (the manner of antiquity being to consecrate inventors) that the Egyptians had so few human idols in their temples, but almost all brute:

“Omnigenumque Deum monstra, et latrator Anubis,

Contra Neptunum, et Venerem, contraque Minervam, &amp;c.”

And if you like better the tradition of the Grecians, and ascribe the first inventions to men, yet you will rather believe that Prometheus first stroke the flints, and marvelled at the spark, than that when he first stroke the flints he expected the spark; and therefore we see the West Indian Prometheus had no intelligence with the European, because of the rareness with them of flint, that gave the first occasion. So as it should seem, that hitherto men are rather beholden to a wild goat for surgery, or to a nightingale for music, or to the ibis for some part of physic, or to the pot-lid that flew open for artillery, or generally to chance or anything else than to logic for the invention of arts and sciences. Neither is the form of invention which Virgil describeth much other:

“Ut varias usus meditande extunderet artes

Paulatim.”

For if you observe the words well, it is no other method than that which brute beasts are capable of, and do put in ure; which is a perpetual intending or practising some one thing, urged and imposed by an absolute necessity of conservation of being. For so Cicero saith very truly, Usus uni rei deditus et naturam et artem sæpe vincit. And therefore if it be said of men,

“Labor omnia vincit

Improbus, et duris urgens in rebus egestas,”

it is likewise said of beasts, Quis psittaco docuit suum χαιρε? Who taught the raven in a drought to throw pebbles into a hollow tree, where she spied water, that the water might rise so as she might come to it? Who taught the bee to sail through such a vast sea or air, and to find the way from a field in a flower a great way off to her hive? Who taught the ant to bite every grain of corn that she burieth in her hill, lest it should take root and grow? Add then the word extundere, which importeth the extreme difficulty, and the word paulatim, which importeth the extreme slowness, and we are where we were, even amongst the Egyptians’ gods; there being little left to the faculty of reason, and nothing to the duty or art, for matter of invention.

(3) Secondly, the induction which the logicians speak of, and which seemeth familiar with Plato, whereby the principles of sciences may be pretended to be invented, and so the middle propositions by derivation from the principles; their form of induction, I say, is utterly vicious and incompetent; wherein their error is the fouler, because it is the duty of art to perfect and exalt nature; but they contrariwise have wronged, abused, and traduced nature. For he that shall attentively observe how the mind doth gather this excellent dew of knowledge, like unto that which the poet speaketh of, Aërei mellis cælestia dona, distilling and contriving it out of particulars natural and artificial, as the flowers of the field and garden, shall find that the mind of herself by nature doth manage and act an induction much better than they describe it. For to conclude upon an enumeration of particulars, without instance contradictory, is no conclusion, but a conjecture; for who can assure (in many subjects) upon those particulars which appear of a side, that there are not other on the contrary side which appear not? As if Samuel should have rested upon those sons of Jesse which were brought before him, and failed of David which was in the field. And this form (to say truth), is so gross, as it had not been possible for wits so subtle as have managed these things to have offered it to the world, but that they hasted to their theories and dogmaticals, and were imperious and scornful toward particulars; which their manner was to use but as lictores and viatores, for sergeants and whifflers, ad summovendam turbam, to make way and make room for their opinions, rather than in their true use and service. Certainly it is a thing may touch a man with a religious wonder, to see how the footsteps of seducement are the very same in divine and human truth; for, as in divine truth man cannot endure to become as a child, so in human, they reputed the attending the inductions (whereof we speak), as if it were a second infancy or childhood.

(4) Thirdly, allow some principles or axioms were rightly induced, yet, nevertheless, certain it is that middle propositions cannot be deduced from them in subject of na-ture by syllogism - that is, by touch and reduction of them to principles in a middle term. It is true that in sciences popular, as moralities, laws, and the like, yea, and divinity (because it pleaseth God to apply Himself to the capacity of the simplest), that form may have use; and in natural philosophy likewise, by way of argument or satisfactory reason, Quæ assensum parit operis effæta est; but the subtlety of nature and operations will not be enchained in those bonds. For arguments consist of proposi-tions, and propositions of words, and words are but the current tokens or marks of popular notions of things; which notions, if they be grossly and variably collected out of particulars, it is not the laborious examination either of consequences of arguments, or of the truth of propositions, that can ever correct that error, being (as the physicians speak) in the first digestion. And, therefore, it was not without cause, that so many excellent philosophers became sceptics and academics, and denied any certainty of knowledge or comprehension; and held opinion that the knowledge of man extended only to appearances and probabilities. It is true that in Socrates it was supposed to be but a form of irony, Scientiam dissimulando simulavit; for he used to disable his knowledge, to the end to enhance his knowledge; like the humour of Tiberius in his beginnings, that would reign, but would not acknowledge so much. And in the later academy, which Cicero embraced, this opinion also of acatalepsia (I doubt) was not held sincerely; for that all those which excelled in copy of speech seem to have chosen that sect, as that which was fittest to give glory to their eloquence and variable discourses; being rather like progresses of pleasure than journeys to an end. But assuredly many scattered in both academies did hold it in subtlety and integrity. But here was their chief error: they charged the deceit upon the senses; which in my judgment (notwithstanding all their cavillations) are very sufficient to certify and report truth, though not always immediately, yet by comparison, by help of instrument, and by producing and urging such things as are too subtle for the sense to some effect comprehensible by the sense, and other like assistance. But they ought to have charged the deceit upon the weakness of the intellectual powers, and upon the manner of collecting and concluding upon the reports of the senses. This I speak, not to disable the mind of man, but to stir it up to seek help; for no man, be he never so cunning or practised, can make a straight line or perfect circle by steadiness of hand, which may be easily done by help of a ruler or compass.

(5) This part of invention, concerning the invention of sciences, I purpose (if God give me leave) hereafter to propound, having digested it into two parts: whereof the one I term experientia literata, and the other interpretatio naturæ; the former being but a degree and rudiment of the latter. But I will not dwell too long, nor speak too great upon a promise.

(6) The invention of speech or argument is not properly an invention; for to invent is to discover that we know not, and not to recover or resummon that which we already know; and the use of this invention is no other but, out of the knowledge whereof our mind is already possessed to draw forth or call before us that which may be per-tinent to the purpose which we take into our consideration. So as to speak truly, it is no invention, but a remembrance or suggestion, with an application; which is the cause why the schools do place it after judgment, as subsequent and not precedent. Nevertheless, because we do account it a chase as well of deer in an enclosed park as in a forest at large, and that it hath already obtained the name, let it be called invention; so as it be perceived and discerned, that the scope and end of this invention is readiness and present use of our knowledge, and not addition or amplification thereof.

(7) To procure this ready use of knowledge there are two courses, preparation and suggestion. The former of these seemeth scarcely a part of knowledge, consisting ra-ther of diligence than of any artificial erudition. And herein Aristotle wittily, but hurtfully, doth deride the sophists near his time, saying, “They did as if one that pro-fessed the art of shoemaking should not teach how to make up a shoe, but only ex-hibit in a readiness a number of shoes of all fashions and sizes.” But yet a man might reply, that if a shoemaker should have no shoes in his shop, but only work as he is bespoken, he should be weakly customed. But our Saviour, speaking of divine know-ledge, saith, “That the kingdom of heaven is like a good householder, that bringeth forth both new and old store;” and we see the ancient writers of rhetoric do give it in precept, that pleaders should have the places, whereof they have most continual use, ready handled in all the variety that may be; as that, to speak for the literal interpretation of the law against equity, and contrary; and to speak for presumptions and inferences against testimony, and contrary. And Cicero himself, being broken unto it by great experience, delivereth it plainly, that whatsoever a man shall have occasion to speak of (if he will take the pains), he may have it in effect premeditate and handled in thesi. So that when he cometh to a particular he shall have nothing to do, but to put to names, and times, and places, and such other circumstances of individuals. We see likewise the exact diligence of Demosthenes; who, in regard of the great force that the entrance and access into causes hath to make a good impression, had ready framed a number of prefaces for orations and speeches. All which authorities and precedents may overweigh Aristotle’s opinion, that would have us change a rich wardrobe for a pair of shears.

(8) But the nature of the collection of this provision or preparatory store, though it be common both to logic and rhetoric, yet having made an entry of it here, where it came first to be spoken of, I think fit to refer over the further handling of it to rhetoric.

(9) The other part of invention, which I term suggestion, doth assign and direct us to certain marks, or places, which may excite our mind to return and produce such knowledge as it hath formerly collected, to the end we may make use thereof. Neither is this use (truly taken) only to furnish argument to dispute, probably with others, but likewise to minister unto our judgment to conclude aright within ourselves. Neither may these places serve only to apprompt our invention, but also to direct our inquiry. For a faculty of wise interrogating is half a knowledge. For as Plato saith, “Whosoever seeketh, knoweth that which he seeketh for in a general notion; else how shall he know it when he hath found it?” And, therefore, the larger your anticipation is, the more direct and compendious is your search. But the same places which will help us what to produce of that which we know already, will also help us, if a man of experience were before us, what questions to ask; or, if we have books and authors to instruct us, what points to search and revolve; so as I cannot report that this part of invention, which is that which the schools call topics, is deficient.

(10) Nevertheless, topics are of two sorts, general and special. The general we have spoken to; but the particular hath been touched by some, but rejected generally as in-artificial and variable. But leaving the humour which hath reigned too much in the schools (which is, to be vainly subtle in a few things which are within their command, and to reject the rest), I do receive particular topics; that is, places or directions of invention and inquiry in every particular knowledge, as things of great use, being mixtures of logic with the matter of sciences. For in these it holdeth ars inveniendi adolescit cum inventis; for as in going of a way, we do not only gain that part of the way which is passed, but we gain the better sight of that part of the way which re-maineth, so every degree of proceeding in a science giveth a light to that which fol-loweth; which light, if we strengthen by drawing it forth into questions or places of inquiry, we do greatly advance our pursuit.

XIV. 

(1) Now we pass unto the arts of judgment, which handle the natures of proofs and demonstrations, which as to induction hath a coincidence with invention; for all in-ductions, whether in good or vicious form, the same action of the mind which in-venteth, judgeth - all one as in the sense. But otherwise it is in proof by syllogism, for the proof being not immediate, but by mean, the invention of the mean is one thing, and the judgment of the consequence is another; the one exciting only, the other ex-amining. Therefore, for the real and exact form of judgment, we refer ourselves to that which we have spoken of interpretation of Nature.

(2) For the other judgment by syllogism, as it is a thing most agreeable to the mind of man, so it hath been vehemently end excellently laboured. For the nature of man doth extremely covet to have somewhat in his understanding fixed and unmovable, and as a rest and support of the mind. And, therefore, as Aristotle endeavoureth to prove, that in all motion there is some point quiescent; and as he elegantly expoundeth the ancient fable of Atlas (that stood fixed, and bare up the heaven from falling) to be meant of the poles or axle-tree of heaven, whereupon the conversion is accomplished, so assuredly men have a desire to have an Atlas or axle-tree within to keep them from fluctuation, which is like to a perpetual peril of falling. Therefore men did hasten to set down some principles about which the variety of their disputatious might turn.

(3) So, then, this art of judgment is but the reduction of propositions to principles in a middle term. The principles to be agreed by all and exempted from argument; the middle term to be elected at the liberty of every man’s invention; the reduction to be of two kinds, direct and inverted: the one when the proposition is reduced to the principle, which they term a probation ostensive; the other, when the contradictory of the proposition is reduced to the contradictory of the principle, which is that which they call per incommodum, or pressing an absurdity; the number of middle terms to be as the proposition standeth degrees more or less removed from the principle.

(4) But this art hath two several methods of doctrine, the one by way of direction, the other by way of caution: the former frameth and setteth down a true form of consequence, by the variations and deflections from which errors and inconsequences may be exactly judged. Toward the composition and structure of which form it is incident to handle the parts thereof, which are propositions, and the parts of propositions, which are simple words. And this is that part of logic which is com-prehended in the Analytics.

(5) The second method of doctrine was introduced for expedite use and assurance sake, discovering the more subtle forms of sophisms and illaqueations with their re-dargutions, which is that which is termed elenches. For although in the more gross sorts of fallacies it happeneth (as Seneca maketh the comparison well) as in juggling feats, which, though we know not how they are done, yet we know well it is not as it seemeth to be; yet the more subtle sort of them doth not only put a man besides his answer, but doth many times abuse his judgment.

(6) This part concerning elenches is excellently handled by Aristotle in precept, but more excellently by Plato in example; not only in the persons of the sophists, but even in Socrates himself, who, professing to affirm nothing, but to infirm that which was affirmed by another, hath exactly expressed all the forms of objection, fallace, and redargution. And although we have said that the use of this doctrine is for redargution, yet it is manifest the degenerate and corrupt use is for caption and contradiction, which passeth for a great faculty, and no doubt is of very great advantage, though the difference be good which was made between orators and sophisters, that the one is as the greyhound, which hath his advantage in the race, and the other as the hare, which hath her advantage in the turn, so as it is the advantage of the weaker creature.

(7) But yet further, this doctrine of elenches hath a more ample latitude and extent than is perceived; namely, unto divers parts of knowledge, whereof some are laboured and other omitted. For first, I conceive (though it may seem at first somewhat strange) that that part which is variably referred, sometimes to logic, sometimes to metaphysic, touching the common adjuncts of essences, is but an elenche; for the great sophism of all sophisms being equivocation or ambiguity of words and phrase, specially of such words as are most general and intervene in every inquiry, it seemeth to me that the true and fruitful use (leaving vain subtleties and speculations) of the inquiry of majority, minority, priority, posteriority, identity, diversity, possibility, act, totality, parts, existence, privation, and the like, are but wise cautions against ambiguities of speech. So, again, the distribution of things into certain tribes, which we call categories or predicaments, are but cautions against the confusion of definitions and divisions.

(8) Secondly, there is a seducement that worketh by the strength of the impression, and not by the subtlety of the illaqueation - not so much perplexing the reason, as overruling it by power of the imagination. But this part I think more proper to handle when I shall speak of rhetoric.

(9) But lastly, there is yet a much more important and profound kind of fallacies in the mind of man, which I find not observed or inquired at all, and think good to place here, as that which of all others appertaineth most to rectify judgment, the force whereof is such as it doth not dazzle or snare the understanding in some particulars, but doth more generally and inwardly infect and corrupt the state thereof. For the mind of man is far from the nature of a clear and equal glass, wherein the beams of things should reflect according to their true incidence; nay, it is rather like an enchanted glass, full of superstition and imposture, if it be not delivered and reduced. For this purpose, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by the general nature of the mind, beholding them in an example or two; as first, in that instance which is the root of all superstition, namely, that to the nature of the mind of all men it is consonant for the affirmative or active to affect more than the negative or privative. So that a few times hitting or presence countervails ofttimes failing or absence, as was well answered by Diagoras to him that showed him in Neptune’s temple the great number of pictures of such as had escaped shipwreck, and had paid their vows to Neptune, saying, “Advise now, you that think it folly to invocate Neptune in tempest.” “Yea, but,” saith Diagoras, “where are they painted that are drowned?” Let us behold it in another instance, namely, that the spirit of man, being of an equal and uniform substance, doth usually suppose and feign in nature a greater equality and uniformity than is in truth. Hence it cometh that the mathematicians cannot satisfy themselves except they reduce the motions of the celestial bodies to perfect circles, rejecting spiral lines, and labouring to be discharged of eccentrics. Hence it cometh that whereas there are many things in Nature as it were monodica, sui juris, yet the cogitations of man do feign unto them relatives, parallels, and conjugates, whereas no such thing is; as they have feigned an element of fire to keep square with earth, water, and air, and the like. Nay, it is not credible, till it be opened, what a number of fictions and fantasies the similitude of human actions and arts, together with the making of man communis mensura, have brought into natural philosophy; not much better than the heresy of the Anthropomorphites, bred in the cells of gross and solitary monks, and the opinion of Epicurus, answerable to the same in heathenism, who supposed the gods to be of human shape. And, therefore, Velleius the Epicurean needed not to have asked why God should have adorned the heavens with stars, as if He had been an ædilis, one that should have set forth some magnificent shows or plays. For if that great Work-master had been of a human disposition, He would have cast the stars into some pleasant and beautiful works and orders like the frets in the roofs of houses; whereas one can scarce find a posture in square, or triangle, or straight line, amongst such an infinite number, so differing a harmony there is between the spirit of man and the spirit of Nature.

(10) Let us consider again the false appearances imposed upon us by every man’s own individual nature and custom in that feigned supposition that Plato maketh of the cave; for certainly if a child were continued in a grot or cave under the earth until maturity of age, and came suddenly abroad, he would have strange and absurd im-aginations. So, in like manner, although our persons live in the view of heaven, yet our spirits are included in the caves of our own complexions and customs, which minister unto us infinite errors and vain opinions if they be not recalled to examination. But hereof we have given many examples in one of the errors, or peccant humours, which we ran briefly over in our first book.

(11) And lastly, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by words, which are framed and applied according to the conceit and capacities of the vulgar sort; and although we think we govern our words, and prescribe it well lo-quendum ut vulgus sentiendum ut sapientes, yet certain it is that words, as a Tartar’s bow, do shoot back upon the understanding of the wisest, and mightily entangle and pervert the judgment. So as it is almost necessary in all controversies and disputations to imitate the wisdom of the mathematicians, in setting down in the very beginning the definitions of our words and terms, that others may know how we accept and understand them, and whether they concur with us or no. For it cometh to pass, for want of this, that we are sure to end there where we ought to have begun, which is, in questions and differences about words. To conclude, therefore, it must be confessed that it is not possible to divorce ourselves from these fallacies and false appearances because they are inseparable from our nature and condition of life; so yet, nevertheless, the caution of them (for all elenches, as was said, are but cautions) doth extremely import the true conduct of human judgment. The particular elenches or cautions against these three false appearances I find altogether deficient.

(12) There remaineth one part of judgment of great excellency which to mine under-standing is so slightly touched, as I may report that also deficient; which is the appli-cation of the differing kinds of proofs to the differing kinds of subjects. For there being but four kinds of demonstrations, that is, by the immediate consent of the mind or sense, by induction, by syllogism, and by congruity, which is that which Aris-totle calleth demonstration in orb or circle, and not a notioribus, every of these hath certain subjects in the matter of sciences, in which respectively they have chiefest use; and certain others, from which respectively they ought to be excluded; and the rigour and curiosity in requiring the more severe proofs in some things, and chiefly the facility in contenting ourselves with the more remiss proofs in others, hath been amongst the greatest causes of detriment and hindrance to knowledge. The distributions and assignations of demonstrations according to the analogy of sciences I note as deficient.

XV. 

(1) The custody or retaining of knowledge is either in writing or memory; whereof writing hath two parts, the nature of the character and the order of the entry. For the art of characters, or other visible notes of words or things, it hath nearest conjugation with grammar, and, therefore, I refer it to the due place; for the disposition and collocation of that knowledge which we preserve in writing, it consisteth in a good digest of common-places, wherein I am not ignorant of the prejudice imputed to the use of common-place books, as causing a retardation of reading, and some sloth or relaxation of memory. But because it is but a counterfeit thing in knowledges to be forward and pregnant, except a man be deep and full, I hold the entry of common-places to be a matter of great use and essence in studying, as that which assureth copy of invention, and contracteth judgment to a strength. But this is true, that of the methods of common-places that I have seen, there is none of any sufficient worth, all of them carrying merely the face of a school and not of a world; and referring to vulgar matters and pedantical divisions, without all life or respect to action.

(2) For the other principal part of the custody of knowledge, which is memory, I find that faculty in my judgment weakly inquired of. An art there is extant of it; but it seemeth to me that there are better precepts than that art, and better practices of that art than those received. It is certain the art (as it is) may be raised to points of ostentation prodigious; but in use (as is now managed) it is barren, not burdensome, nor dangerous to natural memory, as is imagined, but barren, that is, not dexterous to be applied to the serious use of business and occasions. And, therefore, I make no more estimation of repeating a great number of names or words upon once hearing, or the pouring forth of a number of verses or rhymes extempore, or the making of a satirical simile of everything, or the turning of everything to a jest, or the falsifying or contradicting of everything by cavil, or the like (whereof in the faculties of the mind there is great copy, and such as by device and practice may be exalted to an extreme degree of wonder), than I do of the tricks of tumblers, funambuloes, baladines; the one being the same in the mind that the other is in the body, matters of strangeness without worthiness.

(3) This art of memory is but built upon two intentions; the one prenotion, the other emblem. Prenotion dischargeth the indefinite seeking of that we would remember, and directeth us to seek in a narrow compass, that is, somewhat that hath congruity with our place of memory. Emblem reduceth conceits intellectual to images sensible, which strike the memory more; out of which axioms may be drawn much better practice than that in use; and besides which axioms, there are divers more touching help of memory not inferior to them. But I did in the beginning distinguish, not to report those things deficient, which are but only ill managed.

XVI. 

(1) There remaineth the fourth kind of rational knowledge, which is transitive, con-cerning the expressing or transferring our knowledge to others, which I will term by the general name of tradition or delivery. Tradition hath three parts: the first concerning the organ of tradition; the second concerning the method of tradition; and the third concerning the illustration of tradition.

(2) For the organ of tradition, it is either speech or writing; for Aristotle saith well, “Words are the images of cogitations, and letters are the images of words.” But yet it is not of necessity that cogitations be expressed by the medium of words. For what-soever is capable of sufficient differences, and those perceptible by the sense, is in nature competent to express cogitations. And, therefore, we see in the commerce of barbarous people that understand not one another’s language, and in the practice of divers that are dumb and deaf, that men’s minds are expressed in gestures, though not exactly, yet to serve the turn. And we understand further, that it is the use of China and the kingdoms of the High Levant to write in characters real, which express neither letters nor words in gross, but things or notions; insomuch as countries and provinces which understand not one another’s language can nevertheless read one another’s writings, because the characters are accepted more generally than the languages do extend; and, therefore, they have a vast multitude of characters, as many, I suppose, as radical words.

(3) These notes of cogitations are of two sorts: the one when the note hath some similitude or congruity with the notion; the other ad placitum, having force only by contract or acceptation. Of the former sort are hieroglyphics and gestures. For as to hieroglyphics (things of ancient use and embraced chiefly by the Egyptians, one of the most ancient nations), they are but as continued impresses and emblems. And as for gestures, they are as transitory hieroglyphics, and are to hieroglyphics as words spoken are to words written, in that they abide not; but they have evermore, as well as the other, an affinity with the things signified. As Periander, being consulted with how to preserve a tyranny newly usurped, bid the messenger attend and report what he saw him do; and went into his garden and topped all the highest flowers, signifying that it consisted in the cutting off and keeping low of the nobility and grandees. Ad placitum, are the characters real before mentioned, and words: although some have been willing by curious inquiry, or rather by apt feigning, to have derived imposition of names from reason and intendment; a speculation elegant, and, by reason it searcheth into antiquity, reverent, but sparingly mixed with truth, and of small fruit. This portion of knowledge touching the notes of things and cogitations in general, I find not inquired, but deficient. And although it may seem of no great use, considering that words and writings by letters do far excel all the other ways; yet because this part concerneth, as it were, the mint of knowledge (for words are the tokens current and accepted for conceits, as moneys are for values, and that it is fit men be not ignorant that moneys may be of another kind than gold and silver), I thought good to propound it to better inquiry.

(4) Concerning speech and words, the consideration of them hath produced the science of grammar. For man still striveth to reintegrate himself in those benedictions, from which by his fault he hath been deprived; and as he hath striven against the first general curse by the invention of all other arts, so hath he sought to come forth of the second general curse (which was the confusion of tongues) by the art of grammar; whereof the use in a mother tongue is small, in a foreign tongue more; but most in such foreign tongues as have ceased to be vulgar tongues, and are turned only to learned tongues. The duty of it is of two natures: the one popular, which is for the speedy and perfect attaining languages, as well for intercourse of speech as for understanding of authors; the other philosophical, examining the power and nature of words, as they are the footsteps and prints of reason: which kind of analogy between words and reason is handled sparsim, brokenly though not entirely; and, therefore, I cannot report it deficient, though I think it very worthy to be reduced into a science by itself.

(5) Unto grammar also belongeth, as an appendix, the consideration of the accidents of words; which are measure, sound, and elevation or accent, and the sweetness and harshness of them: whence hath issued some curious observations in rhetoric, but chiefly poesy, as we consider it, in respect of the verse and not of the argument. Wherein though men in learned tongues do tie themselves to the ancient measures, yet in modern languages it seemeth to me as free to make new measures of verses as of dances; for a dance is a measured pace, as a verse is a measured speech. In these things this sense is better judge than the art:

“Cœnæ fercula nostræ

Mallem convivis quam placuisse cocis.”

And of the servile expressing antiquity in an unlike and an unfit subject, it is well said, “Quod tempore antiquum videtur, id incongruitate est maxime novum.”

(6) For ciphers, they are commonly in letters or alphabets, but may be in words. The kinds of ciphers (besides the simple ciphers, with changes, and intermixtures of nulls and non-significants) are many, according to the nature or rule of the infolding, wheel-ciphers, key-ciphers, doubles, &amp;c. But the virtues of them, whereby they are to be preferred, are three; that they be not laborious to write and read; that they be im-possible to decipher; and, in some cases, that they be without suspicion. The highest degree whereof is to write omnia per omnia; which is undoubtedly possible, with a proportion quintuple at most of the writing infolding to the writing infolded, and no other restraint whatsoever. This art of ciphering hath for relative an art of deciphering, by supposition unprofitable, but, as things are, of great use. For suppose that ciphers were well managed, there be multitudes of them which exclude the decipherer. But in regard of the rawness and unskilfulness of the hands through which they pass, the greatest matters are many times carried in the weakest ciphers.

(7) In the enumeration of these private and retired arts it may be thought I seek to make a great muster-roll of sciences, naming them for show and ostentation, and to little other purpose. But let those, which are skilful in them, judge whether I bring them in only for appearance, or whether in that which I speak of them (though in few words) there be not some seed of proficience. And this must be remembered, that as there be many of great account in their countries and provinces, which, when they come up to the seat of the estate, are but of mean rank and scarcely regarded; so these arts, being here placed with the principal and supreme sciences, seem petty things: yet to such as have chosen them to spend their labours and studies in them, they seem great matters.

XVII. 

(1) For the method of tradition, I see it hath moved a controversy in our time. But as in civil business, if there be a meeting, and men fall at words, there is commonly an end of the matter for that time, and no proceeding at all; so in learning, where there is much controversy, there is many times little inquiry. For this part of knowledge of method seemeth to me so weakly inquired as I shall report it deficient.

(2) Method hath been placed, and that not amiss, in logic, as a part of judgment. For as the doctrine of syllogisms comprehendeth the rules of judgment upon that which is invented, so the doctrine of method containeth the rules of judgment upon that which is to be delivered; for judgment precedeth delivery, as it followeth invention. Neither is the method or the nature of the tradition material only to the use of knowledge, but likewise to the progression of knowledge: for since the labour and life of one man cannot attain to perfection of knowledge, the wisdom of the tradition is that which inspireth the felicity of continuance and proceeding. And therefore the most real diversity of method is of method referred to use, and method referred to progression: whereof the one may be termed magistral, and the other of probation.

(3) The latter whereof seemeth to be via deserta et interclusa. For as knowledges are now delivered, there is a kind of contract of error between the deliverer and the receiver. For he that delivereth knowledge desireth to deliver it in such form as may be best believed, and not as may be best examined; and he that receiveth knowledge desireth rather present satisfaction than expectant inquiry; and so rather not to doubt, than not to err: glory making the author not to lay open his weakness, and sloth making the disciple not to know his strength.

(4) But knowledge that is delivered as a thread to be spun on ought to be delivered and intimated, if it were possible, in the same method wherein it was invented: and so is it possible of knowledge induced. But in this same anticipated and prevented knowledge, no man knoweth how he came to the knowledge which he hath obtained. But yet, nevertheless, secundum majus et minus, a man may revisit and descend unto the foundations of his knowledge and consent; and so transplant it into another, as it grew in his own mind. For it is in knowledges as it is in plants: if you mean to use the plant, it is no matter for the roots - but if you mean to remove it to grow, then it is more assured to rest upon roots than slips: so the delivery of knowledges (as it is now used) is as of fair bodies of trees without the roots; good for the carpenter, but not for the planter. But if you will have sciences grow, it is less matter for the shaft or body of the tree, so you look well to the taking up of the roots. Of which kind of delivery the method of the mathematics, in that subject, hath some shadow: but generally I see it neither put in use nor put in inquisition, and therefore note it for deficient.

(5) Another diversity of method there is, which hath some affinity with the former, used in some cases by the discretion of the ancients, but disgraced since by the im-postures of many vain persons, who have made it as a false light for their counterfeit merchandises; and that is enigmatical and disclosed. The pretence whereof is, to re-move the vulgar capacities from being admitted to the secrets of knowledges, and to reserve them to selected auditors, or wits of such sharpness as can pierce the veil.

(6) Another diversity of method, whereof the consequence is great, is the delivery of knowledge in aphorisms, or in methods; wherein we may observe that it hath been too much taken into custom, out of a few axioms or observations upon any subject, to make a solemn and formal art, filling it with some discourses, and illustrating it with examples, and digesting it into a sensible method. But the writing in aphorisms hath many excellent virtues, whereto the writing in method doth not approach.

(7) For first, it trieth the writer, whether he be superficial or solid: for aphorisms, except they should be ridiculous, cannot be made but of the pith and heart of sciences; for discourse of illustration is cut off; recitals of examples are cut off; discourse of connection and order is cut off; descriptions of practice are cut off. So there remaineth nothing to fill the aphorisms but some good quantity of observation; and therefore no man can suffice, nor in reason will attempt, to write aphorisms, but he that is sound and grounded. But in methods,

“Tantum series juncturaque pollet,

Tantum de medio sumptis accedit honoris,”

as a man shall make a great show of an art, which, if it were disjointed, would come to little. Secondly, methods are more fit to win consent or belief, but less fit to point to action; for they carry a kind of demonstration in orb or circle, one part illuminating another, and therefore satisfy. But particulars being dispersed do best agree with dispersed directions. And lastly, aphorisms, representing a knowledge broken, do invite men to inquire further; whereas methods, carrying the show of a total, do secure men, as if they were at furthest.

(8) Another diversity of method, which is likewise of great weight, is the handling of knowledge by assertions and their proofs, or by questions and their determinations. The latter kind whereof, if it be immoderately followed, is as prejudicial to the pro-ceeding of learning as it is to the proceeding of an army to go about to besiege every little fort or hold. For if the field be kept, and the sum of the enterprise pursued, those smaller things will come in of themselves: indeed a man would not leave some important piece enemy at his back. In like manner, the use of confutation in the deli-very of sciences ought to be very sparing; and to serve to remove strong preoccupations and prejudgments, and not to minister and excite disputatious and doubts.

(9) Another diversity of method is, according to the subject or matter which is handled. For there is a great difference in delivery of the mathematics, which are the most abstracted of knowledges, and policy, which is the most immersed. And howsoever contention hath been moved, touching a uniformity of method in multiformity of matter, yet we see how that opinion, besides the weakness of it, hath been of ill desert towards learning, as that which taketh the way to reduce learning to certain empty and barren generalities; being but the very husks and shells of sciences, all the kernel being forced out and expulsed with the torture and press of the method. And, therefore, as I did allow well of particular topics for invention, so I do allow likewise of particular methods of tradition.

(10) Another diversity of judgment in the delivery and teaching of knowledge is, ac-cording unto the light and presuppositions of that which is delivered. For that know-ledge which is new, and foreign from opinions received, is to be delivered in another form than that that is agreeable and familiar; and therefore Aristotle, when he thinks to tax Democritus, doth in truth commend him, where he saith “If we shall indeed dispute, and not follow after similitudes,” &amp;c. For those whose conceits are seated in popular opinions need only but to prove or dispute; but those whose conceits are beyond popular opinions, have a double labour; the one to make themselves con-ceived, and the other to prove and demonstrate. So that it is of necessity with them to have recourse to similitudes and translations to express themselves. And therefore in the infancy of learning, and in rude times when those conceits which are now trivial were then new, the world was full of parables and similitudes; for else would men either have passed over without mark, or else rejected for paradoxes that which was offered, before they had understood or judged. So in divine learning, we see how frequent parables and tropes are, for it is a rule, that whatsoever science is not con-sonant to presuppositions must pray in aid of similitudes.

(11) There be also other diversities of methods vulgar and received: as that of reso-lution or analysis, of constitution or systasis, of concealment or cryptic, &amp;c., which I do allow well of, though I have stood upon those which are least handled and observed. All which I have remembered to this purpose, because I would erect and constitute one general inquiry (which seems to me deficient) touching the wisdom of tradition.

(12) But unto this part of knowledge, concerning method, doth further belong not only the architecture of the whole frame of a work, but also the several beams and columns thereof; not as to their stuff, but as to their quantity and figure. And therefore method considereth not only the disposition of the argument or subject, but likewise the propositions: not as to their truth or matter, but as to their limitation and manner. For herein Ramus merited better a great deal in reviving the good rules of propositions - Καθολον πρωτον, κυτα παντος &amp;c. - than he did in introducing the canker of epitomes; and yet (as it is the condition of human things that, according to the ancient fables, “the most precious things have the most pernicious keepers”) it was so, that the attempt of the one made him fall upon the other. For he had need be well conducted that should design to make axioms convertible, if he make them not withal circular, and non-promovent, or incurring into themselves; but yet the intention was excellent.

(13) The other considerations of method, concerning propositions, are chiefly touching the utmost propositions, which limit the dimensions of sciences: for every knowledge may be fitly said, besides the profundity (which is the truth and substance of it, that makes it solid), to have a longitude and a latitude; accounting the latitude towards other sciences, and the longitude towards action; that is, from the greatest generality to the most particular precept. The one giveth rule how far one knowledge ought to intermeddle within the province of another, which is the rule they call Καθαυτο; the other giveth rule unto what degree of particularity a knowledge should descend: which latter I find passed over in silence, being in my judgment the more material. For certainty there must be somewhat left to practice; but how much is worthy the inquiry? We see remote and superficial generalities do but offer knowledge to scorn of practical men; and are no more aiding to practice than an Ortelius’ universal map is to direct the way between London and York. The better sort of rules have been not unfitly compared to glasses of steel unpolished, where you may see the images of things, but first they must be filed: so the rules will help if they be laboured and polished by practice. But how crystalline they may be made at the first, and how far forth they may be polished aforehand, is the question, the inquiry whereof seemeth to me deficient.

(14) There hath been also laboured and put in practice a method, which is not a lawful method, but a method of imposture: which is, to deliver knowledges in such manner as men may speedily come to make a show of learning, who have it not. Such was the travail of Raymundus Lullius in making that art which bears his name; not unlike to some books of typocosmy, which have been made since; being nothing but a mass of words of all arts, to give men countenance, that those which use the terms might be thought to understand the art; which collections are much like a fripper’s or broker’s shop, that hath ends of everything, but nothing of worth.

XVIII. 

(1) Now we descend to that part which concerneth the illustration of tradition, com-prehended in that science which we call rhetoric, or art of eloquence, a science excellent, and excellently well laboured. For although in true value it is inferior to wisdom (as it is said by God to Moses, when he disabled himself for want of this faculty, “Aaron shall be thy speaker, and thou shalt be to him as God”), yet with people it is the more mighty; for so Solomon saith, Sapiens corde appellabitur prudens, sed dulcis eloquio majora reperiet, signifying that profoundness of wisdom will help a man to a name or admiration, but that it is eloquence that prevaileth in an active life. And as to the labouring of it, the emulation of Aristotle with the rhetoricians of his time, and the experience of Cicero, hath made them in their works of rhetoric exceed themselves. Again, the excellency of examples of eloquence in the orations of Demosthenes and Cicero, added to the perfection of the precepts of eloquence, hath doubled the progression in this art; and therefore the deficiences which I shall note will rather be in some collections, which may as handmaids attend the art, than in the rules or use of the art itself.

(2) Notwithstanding, to stir the earth a little about the roots of this science, as we have done of the rest, the duty and office of rhetoric is to apply reason to imagination for the better moving of the will. For we see reason is disturbed in the administration thereof by three means - by illaqueation or sophism, which pertains to logic; by imagination or impression, which pertains to rhetoric; and by passion or affection, which pertains to morality. And as in negotiation with others, men are wrought by cunning, by importunity, and by vehemency; so in this negotiation within ourselves, men are undermined by inconsequences, solicited and importuned by impressions or observations, and transported by passions. Neither is the nature of man so unfortu-nately built, as that those powers and arts should have force to disturb reason, and not to establish and advance it. For the end of logic is to teach a form of argument to secure reason, and not to entrap it; the end of morality is to procure the affections to obey reason, and not to invade it; the end of rhetoric is to fill the imagination to second reason, and not to oppress it; for these abuses of arts come in but ex oblique, for caution.

(3) And therefore it was great injustice in Plato, though springing out of a just hatred to the rhetoricians of his time, to esteem of rhetoric but as a voluptuary art, resembling it to cookery, that did mar wholesome meats, and help unwholesome by variety of sauces to the pleasure of the taste. For we see that speech is much more conversant in adorning that which is good than in colouring that which is evil; for there is no man but speaketh more honestly than he can do or think; and it was excellently noted by Thucydides, in Cleon, that because he used to hold on the bad side in causes of estate, therefore he was ever inveighing against eloquence and good speech, knowing that no man can speak fair of courses sordid and base. And therefore, as Plato said elegantly, “That virtue, if she could be seen, would move great love and affection;” so seeing that she cannot be showed to the sense by corporal shape, the next degree is to show her to the imagination in lively representation; for to show her to reason only in subtlety of argument was a thing ever derided in Chrysippus and many of the Stoics, who thought to thrust virtue upon men by sharp disputations and conclusions, which have no sympathy with the will of man.

(4) Again, if the affections in themselves were pliant and obedient to reason, it were true there should be no great use of persuasions and insinuations to the will, more than of naked proposition and proofs; but in regard of the continual mutinies and seditious of the affections -

“Video meliora, proboque,

Deteriora sequor,”

reason would become captive and servile, if eloquence of persuasions did not practise and win the imagination from the affections’ part, and contract a confederacy between the reason and imagination against the affections; for the affections themselves carry ever an appetite to good, as reason doth. The difference is, that the affection beholdeth merely the present; reason beholdeth the future and sum of time. And, therefore, the present filling the imagination more, reason is commonly vanquished; but after that force of eloquence and persuasion hath made things future and remote appear as present, then upon the revolt of the imagination reason prevaileth.

(5) We conclude, therefore, that rhetoric can be no more charged with the colouring of the worst part, than logic with sophistry, or morality with vice; for we know the doctrines of contraries are the same, though the use be opposite. It appeareth also that logic differeth from rhetoric, not only as the fist from the palm - the one close, the other at large - but much more in this, that logic handleth reason exact and in truth, and rhetoric handleth it as it is planted in popular opinions and manners. And therefore Aristotle doth wisely place rhetoric as between logic on the one side, and moral or civil knowledge on the other, as participating of both; for the proofs and demonstrations of logic are toward all men indifferent and the same, but the proofs and persuasions of rhetoric ought to differ according to the auditors:

“Orpheus in sylvis, inter delphinas Arion.”

Which application in perfection of idea ought to extend so far that if a man should speak of the same thing to several persons, he should speak to them all respectively and several ways; though this politic part of eloquence in private speech it is easy for the greatest orators to want: whilst, by the observing their well-graced forms of speech, they leese the volubility of application; and therefore it shall not be amiss to recommend this to better inquiry, not being curious whether we place it here or in that part which concerneth policy.

(6) Now therefore will I descend to the deficiences, which, as I said, are but attendances; and first, I do not find the wisdom and diligence of Aristotle well pursued, who began to make a collection of the popular signs and colours of good and evil, both simple and comparative, which are as the sophisms of rhetoric (as I touched before). For example -

“Sophisma.

Quod laudatur, bonum: quod vituperatur, malum.

Redargutio.

Laudat venales qui vult extrudere merces.”

Malum est, malum est (inquit emptor): sed cum recesserit, tum gloriabitur! The defects in the labour of Aristotle are three - one, that there be but a few of many; another, that there elenches are not annexed; and the third, that he conceived but a part of the use of them: for their use is not only in probation, but much more in impression. For many forms are equal in signification which are differing in impression, as the difference is great in the piercing of that which is sharp and that which is flat, though the strength of the percussion be the same. For there is no man but will be a little more raised by hearing it said, “Your enemies will be glad of this” -

“Hoc Ithacus velit, et magno mercentur Atridæ.”

than by hearing it said only, “This is evil for you.”

(7) Secondly, I do resume also that which I mentioned before, touching provision or preparatory store for the furniture of speech and readiness of invention, which ap-peareth to be of two sorts: the one in resemblance to a shop of pieces unmade up, the other to a shop of things ready made up; both to be applied to that which is frequent and most in request. The former of these I will call antitheta, and the latter formulæ.

(8) Antitheta are theses argued pro et contra, wherein men may be more large and la-borious; but (in such as are able to do it) to avoid prolixity of entry, I wish the seeds of the several arguments to be cast up into some brief and acute sentences, not to be cited, but to be as skeins or bottoms of thread, to be unwinded at large when they come to be used; supplying authorities and examples by reference.

“Pro verbis legis.

Non est interpretatio, sed divinatio, quæ recedit a litera:

Cum receditur a litera, judex transit in legislatorem.

Pro sententia legis.

Ex omnibus verbis est eliciendus sensus qui interpretatur singula.”

(9) Formulæ are but decent and apt passages or conveyances of speech, which may serve indifferently for differing subjects; as of preface, conclusion, digression, transi-tion, excusation, &amp;c. For as in buildings there is great pleasure and use in the well casting of the staircases, entries, doors, windows, and the like; so in speech, the con-veyances and passages are of special ornament and effect.

“A conclusion in a deliberative.

So may we redeem the faults passed, and prevent the inconveniences future.”

XIX. 

(1) There remain two appendices touching the tradition of knowledge, the one critical, the other pedantical. For all knowledge is either delivered by teachers, or attained by men’s proper endeavours: and therefore as the principal part of tradition of knowledge concerneth chiefly writing of books, so the relative part thereof concerneth reading of books; whereunto appertain incidently these considerations. The first is concerning the true correction and edition of authors; wherein nevertheless rash diligence hath done great prejudice. For these critics have often presumed that that which they understand not is false set down: as the priest that, where he found it written of St. Paul Demissus est per sportam, mended his book, and made it Demissus est per portam; because sporta was a hard word, and out of his reading: and surely their errors, though they be not so palpable and ridiculous, yet are of the same kind. And therefore, as it hath been wisely noted, the most corrected copies are commonly the least correct.

The second is concerning the exposition and explication of authors, which resteth in annotations and commentaries: wherein it is over usual to blanch the obscure places and discourse upon the plain.

The third is concerning the times, which in many cases give great light to true inter-pretations.

The fourth is concerning some brief censure and judgment of the authors; that men thereby may make some election unto themselves what books to read.

And the fifth is concerning the syntax and disposition of studies; that men may know in what order or pursuit to read.

(2) For pedantical knowledge, it containeth that difference of tradition which is proper for youth; whereunto appertain divers considerations of great fruit.

As first, the timing and seasoning of knowledges; as with what to initiate them, and from what for a time to refrain them.

Secondly, the consideration where to begin with the easiest, and so proceed to the more difficult; and in what courses to press the more difficult, and then to turn them to the more easy; for it is one method to practise swimming with bladders, and another to practise dancing with heavy shoes.

A third is the application of learning according unto the propriety of the wits; for there is no defect in the faculties intellectual, but seemeth to have a proper cure contained in some studies: as, for example, if a child be bird-witted, that is, hath not the faculty of attention, the mathematics giveth a remedy thereunto; for in them, if the wit be caught away but a moment, one is new to begin. And as sciences have a propriety towards faculties for cure and help, so faculties or powers have a sympathy towards sciences for excellency or speedy profiting: and therefore it is an inquiry of great wisdom, what kinds of wits and natures are most apt and proper for what sciences.

Fourthly, the ordering of exercises is matter of great consequence to hurt or help: for, as is well observed by Cicero, men in exercising their faculties, if they be not well advised, do exercise their faults and get ill habits as well as good; so as there is a great judgment to be had in the continuance and intermission of exercises. It were too long to particularise a number of other considerations of this nature, things but of mean appearance, but of singular efficacy. For as the wronging or cherishing of seeds or young plants is that that is most important to their thriving, and as it was noted that the first six kings being in truth as tutors of the state of Rome in the infancy thereof was the principal cause of the immense greatness of that state which followed, so the culture and manurance of minds in youth hath such a forcible (though unseen) operation, as hardly any length of time or contention of labour can countervail it afterwards. And it is not amiss to observe also how small and mean faculties gotten by education, yet when they fall into great men or great matters, do work great and important effects: whereof we see a notable example in Tacitus of two stage players, Percennius and Vibulenus, who by their faculty of playing put the Pannonian armies into an extreme tumult and combustion. For there arising a mutiny amongst them upon the death of Augustus Cæsar, Blæsus the lieutenant had committed some of the mutineers, which were suddenly rescued; whereupon Vibulenus got to be heard speak, which he did in this manner:- “These poor innocent wretches appointed to cruel death, you have restored to behold the light; but who shall restore my brother to me, or life unto my brother, that was sent hither in message from the legions of Germany, to treat of the common cause? and he hath murdered him this last night by some of his fencers and ruffians, that he hath about him for his executioners upon soldiers. Answer, Blæsus, what is done with his body? The mortalest enemies do not deny burial. When I have performed my last duties to the corpse with kisses, with tears, command me to be slain besides him; so that these my fellows, for our good meaning and our true hearts to the legions, may have leave to bury us.” With which speech he put the army into an infinite fury and uproar: whereas truth was he had no brother, neither was there any such matter; but he played it merely as if he had been upon the stage.

(3) But to return: we are now come to a period of rational knowledges; wherein if I have made the divisions other than those that are received, yet would I not be thought to disallow all those divisions which I do not use. For there is a double necessity imposed upon me of altering the divisions. The one, because it differeth in end and purpose, to sort together those things which are next in nature, and those things which are next in use. For if a secretary of estate should sort his papers, it is like in his study or general cabinet he would sort together things of a nature, as treaties, instructions, &amp;c. But in his boxes or particular cabinet he would sort together those that he were like to use together, though of several natures. So in this general cabinet of knowledge it was necessary for me to follow the divisions of the nature of things; whereas if myself had been to handle any particular knowledge, I would have respected the divisions fittest for use. The other, because the bringing in of the deficiences did by consequence alter the partitions of the rest. For let the knowledge extant (for demonstration sake) be fifteen. Let the knowledge with the deficiences be twenty; the parts of fifteen are not the parts of twenty; for the parts of fifteen are three and five; the parts of twenty are two, four, five, and ten. So as these things are without contradiction, and could not otherwise be.

XX. 

(1) We proceed now to that knowledge which considereth of the appetite and will of man: whereof Solomon saith, Ante omnia, fili, custodi cor tuum: nam inde procedunt actiones vitæ. In the handling of this science, those which have written seem to me to have done as if a man, that professed to teach to write, did only exhibit fair copies of alphabets and letters joined, without giving any precepts or directions for the carriage of the hand and framing of the letters. So have they made good and fair exemplars and copies, carrying the draughts and portraitures of good, virtue, duty, felicity; propounding them well described as the true objects and scopes of man’s will and desires. But how to attain these excellent marks, and how to frame and subdue the will of man to become true and conformable to these pursuits, they pass it over altogether, or slightly and unprofitably. For it is not the disputing that moral virtues are in the mind of man by habit and not by nature, or the distinguishing that generous spirits are won by doctrines and persuasions, and the vulgar sort by reward and punishment, and the like scattered glances and touches, that can excuse the absence of this part.

(2) The reason of this omission I suppose to be that hidden rock whereupon both this and many other barks of knowledge have been cast away; which is, that men have despised to be conversant in ordinary and common matters, the judicious direction whereof nevertheless is the wisest doctrine (for life consisteth not in novelties nor subtleties), but contrariwise they have compounded sciences chiefly of a certain resplendent or lustrous mass of matter, chosen to give glory either to the subtlety of disputatious, or to the eloquence of discourses. But Seneca giveth an excellent check to eloquence, Nocet illis eloquentia, quibus non rerum cupiditatem facit, sed sui. Doctrine should be such as should make men in love with the lesson, and not with the teacher; being directed to the auditor’s benefit, and not to the author’s commendation. And therefore those are of the right kind which may be concluded as Demosthenes concludes his counsel, Quæ si feceritis, non oratorem dumtaxat in præsentia laudabitis, sed vosmetipsos etiam non ita multo post statu rerum vestraram meliore.

(3) Neither needed men of so excellent parts to have despaired of a fortune, which the poet Virgil promised himself, and indeed obtained, who got as much glory of eloquence, wit, and learning in the expressing of the observations of husbandry, as of the heroical acts of Æneas:

“Nec sum animi dubius, verbis ea vincere magnum

Quam sit, et angustis his addere rebus honorem.”

And surely, if the purpose be in good earnest, not to write at leisure that which men may read at leisure, but really to instruct and suborn action and active life, these Georgics of the mind, concerning the husbandry and tillage thereof, are no less worthy than the heroical descriptions of virtue, duty, and felicity. Wherefore the main and primitive division of moral knowledge seemeth to be into the exemplar or platform of good, and the regiment or culture of the mind: the one describing the nature of good, the other prescribing rules how to subdue, apply, and accommodate the will of man thereunto.

(4) The doctrine touching the platform or nature of good considereth it either simple or compared; either the kinds of good, or the degrees of good; in the latter whereof those infinite disputatious which were touching the supreme degree thereof, which they term felicity, beatitude, or the highest good, the doctrines concerning which were as the heathen divinity, are by the Christian faith discharged. And as Aristotle saith, “That young men may be happy, but not otherwise but by hope;” so we must all acknowledge our minority, and embrace the felicity which is by hope of the future world.

(5) Freed therefore and delivered from this doctrine of the philosopher’s heaven, whereby they feigned a higher elevation of man’s nature than was (for we see in what height of style Seneca writeth, Vere magnum, habere fragilitatem hominis, securitatem Dei), we may with more sobriety and truth receive the rest of their inquiries and labours. Wherein for the nature of good positive or simple, they have set it down ex-cellently in describing the forms of virtue and duty, with their situations and postures; in distributing them into their kinds, parts, provinces, actions, and administrations, and the like: nay further, they have commended them to man’s nature and spirit with great quickness of argument and beauty of persuasions; yea, and fortified and entrenched them (as much as discourse can do) against corrupt and popular opinions. Again, for the degrees and comparative nature of good, they have also excellently handled it in their triplicity of good, in the comparisons between a contemplative and an active life, in the distinction between virtue with reluctation and virtue secured, in their encounters between honesty and profit, in their balancing of virtue with virtue, and the like; so as this part deserveth to be reported for excellently laboured.

(6) Notwithstanding, if before they had come to the popular and received notions of virtue and vice, pleasure and pain, and the rest, they had stayed a little longer upon the inquiry concerning the roots of good and evil, and the strings of those roots, they had given, in my opinion, a great light to that which followed; and specially if they had consulted with nature, they had made their doctrines less prolix and more profound: which being by them in part omitted and in part handled with much confusion, we will endeavour to resume and open in a more clear manner.

(7) There is formed in everything a double nature of good - the one, as everything is a total or substantive in itself; the other, as it is a part or member of a greater body; whereof the latter is in degree the greater and the worthier, because it tendeth to the conservation of a more general form. Therefore we see the iron in particular sympathy moveth to the loadstone; but yet if it exceed a certain quantity, it forsaketh the affection to the loadstone, and like a good patriot moveth to the earth, which is the region and country of massy bodies; so may we go forward, and see that water and massy bodies move to the centre of the earth; but rather than to suffer a divulsion in the continuance of nature, they will move upwards from the centre of the earth, forsaking their duty to the earth in regard of their duty to the world. This double nature of good, and the comparative thereof, is much more engraven upon man, if he degenerate not, unto whom the conservation of duty to the public ought to be much more precious than the conservation of life and being; according to that memorable speech of Pompeius Magnus, when being in commission of purveyance for a famine at Rome, and being dissuaded with great vehemency and instance by his friends about him, that he should not hazard himself to sea in an extremity of weather, he said only to them, Necesse est ut eam, non ut vivam. But it may be truly affirmed that there was never any philosophy, religion, or other discipline, which did so plainly and highly exalt the good which is communicative, and depress the good which is private and particular, as the Holy Faith; well declaring that it was the same God that gave the Christian law to men, who gave those laws of nature to inanimate creatures that we spake of before; for we read that the elected saints of God have wished themselves anathematised and razed out of the book of life, in an ecstasy of charity and infinite feeling of communion.

(8) This being set down and strongly planted, doth judge and determine most of the controversies wherein moral philosophy is conversant. For first, it decideth the ques-tion touching the preferment of the contemplative or active life, and decideth it against Aristotle. For all the reasons which he bringeth for the contemplative are private, and respecting the pleasure and dignity of a man’s self (in which respects no question the contemplative life hath the pre-eminence), not much unlike to that comparison which Pythagoras made for the gracing and magnifying of philosophy and contemplation, who being asked what he was, answered, “That if Hiero were ever at the Olympian games, he knew the manner, that some came to try their fortune for the prizes, and some came as merchants to utter their commodities, and some came to make good cheer and meet their friends, and some came to look on; and that he was one of them that came to look on.” But men must know, that in this theatre of man’s life it is reserved only for God and angels to be lookers on. Neither could the like question ever have been received in the Church, notwithstanding their Pretiosa in oculis Domini mors sanctorum ejus, by which place they would exalt their civil death and regular professions, but upon this defence, that the monastical life is not simple contemplative, but performeth the duty either of incessant prayers and supplications, which hath been truly esteemed as an office in the Church, or else of writing or taking instructions for writing concerning the law of God, as Moses did when he abode so long in the mount. And so we see Enoch, the seventh from Adam, who was the first contemplative and walked with God, yet did also endow the Church with prophecy, which Saint Jude citeth. But for contemplation which should be finished in itself, without casting beams upon society, assuredly divinity knoweth it not.

(9) It decideth also the controversies between Zeno and Socrates, and their schools and successions, on the one side, who placed felicity in virtue simply or attended, the actions and exercises whereof do chiefly embrace and concern society; and on the other side, the Cyrenaics and Epicureans, who placed it in pleasure, and made virtue (as it is used in some comedies of errors, wherein the mistress and the maid change habits) to be but as a servant, without which pleasure cannot be served and attended; and the reformed school of the Epicureans, which placed it in serenity of mind and freedom from perturbation; as if they would have deposed Jupiter again, and restored Saturn and the first age, when there was no summer nor winter, spring nor autumn, but all after one air and season; and Herillus, which placed felicity in extinguishment of the disputes of the mind, making no fixed nature of good and evil, esteeming things according to the clearness of the desires, or the reluctation; which opinion was revived in the heresy of the Anabaptists, measuring things according to the motions of the spirit, and the constancy or wavering of belief; all which are manifest to tend to private repose and contentment, and not to point of society.

(10) It censureth also the philosophy of Epictetus, which presupposeth that felicity must be placed in those things which are in our power, lest we be liable to fortune and disturbance; as if it were not a thing much more happy to fail in good and virtuous ends for the public, than to obtain all that we can wish to ourselves in our proper fortune: as Consalvo said to his soldiers, showing them Naples, and protesting he had rather die one foot forwards, than to have his life secured for long by one foot of retreat. Whereunto the wisdom of that heavenly leader hath signed, who hath affirmed that “a good conscience is a continual feast;” showing plainly that the conscience of good intentions, howsoever succeeding, is a more continual joy to nature than all the provision which can be made for security and repose.

(11) It censureth likewise that abuse of philosophy which grew general about the time of Epictetus, in converting it into an occupation or profession; as if the purpose had been, not to resist and extinguish perturbations, but to fly and avoid the causes of them, and to shape a particular kind and course of life to that end; introducing such a health of mind, as was that health of body of which Aristotle speaketh of Herodicus, who did nothing all his life long but intend his health; whereas if men refer themselves to duties of society, as that health of body is best which is ablest to endure all alterations and extremities, so likewise that health of mind is most proper which can go through the greatest temptations and perturbations. So as Diogenes’ opinion is to be accepted, who commended not them which abstained, but them which sustained, and could refrain their mind in præcipitio, and could give unto the mind (as is used in horsemanship) the shortest stop or turn.

(12) Lastly, it censureth the tenderness and want of application in some of the most ancient and reverend philosophers and philosophical men, that did retire too easily from civil business, for avoiding of indignities and perturbations; whereas the resolu-tion of men truly moral ought to be such as the same Consalvo said the honour of a soldier should be, e telâ crassiore, and not so fine as that everything should catch in it and endanger it.

XXI. 

(1) To resume private or particular good, it falleth into the division of good active and passive; for this difference of good (not unlike to that which amongst the Romans was expressed in the familiar or household terms of promus and condus) is formed also in all things, and is best disclosed in the two several appetites in creatures; the one to preserve or continue themselves, and the other to dilate or multiply themselves, whereof the latter seemeth to be the worthier; for in nature the heavens, which are the more worthy, are the agent, and the earth, which is the less worthy, is the patient. In the pleasures of living creatures, that of generation is greater than that of food. In divine doctrine, beatius est dare quam accipere. And in life, there is no man’s spirit so soft, but esteemeth the effecting of somewhat that he hath fixed in his desire, more than sensuality, which priority of the active good is much upheld by the consideration of our estate to be mortal and exposed to fortune. For if we might have a perpetuity and certainty in our pleasures, the state of them would advance their price. But when we see it is but magni æstimamus mori tardius, and ne glorieris de crastino, nescis partum diei, it maketh us to desire to have somewhat secured and exempted from time, which are only our deeds and works; as it is said, Opera eorum sequuntur eos. The pre-eminence likewise of this active good is upheld by the affection which is natural in man towards variety and proceeding, which in the pleasures of the sense, which is the principal part of passive good, can have no great latitude. Cogita quamdiu eadem feceris; cibus, somnus, ludus per hunc circulum curritur; mori velle non tantum fortis, aut miser, aut prudens, sed etiam fastidiosus potest. But in enterprises, pursuits, and purposes of life, there is much variety; whereof men are sensible with pleasure in their inceptions, progressions, recoils, reintegrations, approaches and attainings to their ends. So as it was well said, Vita sine proposito languida et vaga est. Neither hath this active good an identity with the good of society, though in some cases it hath an incidence into it. For although it do many times bring forth acts of beneficence, yet it is with a respect private to a man’s own power, glory, amplification, continuance; as appeareth plainly, when it findeth a contrary subject. For that gigantine state of mind which possesseth the troublers of the world, such as was Lucius Sylla and infinite other in smaller model, who would have all men happy or unhappy as they were their friends or enemies, and would give form to the world, according to their own humours (which is the true theomachy), pretendeth and aspireth to active good, though it recedeth furthest from good of society, which we have determined to be the greater.

(2) To resume passive good, it receiveth a subdivision of conservative and effective. For let us take a brief review of that which we have said: we have spoken first of the good of society, the intention whereof embraceth the form of human nature, whereof we are members and portions, and not our own proper and individual form; we have spoken of active good, and supposed it as a part of private and particular good. And rightly, for there is impressed upon all things a triple desire or appetite proceeding from love to themselves: one of preserving and continuing their form; another of advancing and perfecting their form; and a third of multiplying and extending their form upon other things: whereof the multiplying, or signature of it upon other things, is that which we handled by the name of active good. So as there remaineth the conserving of it, and perfecting or raising of it, which latter is the highest degree of passive good. For to preserve in state is the less, to preserve with advancement is the greater. So in man,

“Igneus est ollis vigor, et cælestis origo.”

His approach or assumption to divine or angelical nature is the perfection of his form; the error or false imitation of which good is that which is the tempest of human life; while man, upon the instinct of an advancement, formal and essential, is carried to seek an advancement local. For as those which are sick, and find no remedy, do tumble up and down and change place, as if by a remove local they could obtain a remove internal, so is it with men in ambition, when failing of the mean to exalt their nature, they are in a perpetual estuation to exalt their place. So then passive good is, as was said, either conservative or perfective.

(3) To resume the good of conservation or comfort, which consisteth in the fruition of that which is agreeable to our natures; it seemeth to be most pure and natural of pleasures, but yet the softest and lowest. And this also receiveth a difference, which hath neither been well judged of, nor well inquired; for the good of fruition or con-tentment is placed either in the sincereness of the fruition, or in the quickness and vigour of it; the one superinduced by equality, the other by vicissitude; the one having less mixture of evil, the other more impression of good. Whether of these is the greater good is a question controverted; but whether man’s nature may not be capable of both is a question not inquired.

(4) The former question being debated between Socrates and a sophist, Socrates placing felicity in an equal and constant peace of mind, and the sophist in much desiring and much enjoying, they fell from argument to ill words: the sophist saying that Socrates’ felicity was the felicity of a block or stone; and Socrates saying that the sophist’s felicity was the felicity of one that had the itch, who did nothing but itch and scratch. And both these opinions do not want their supports. For the opinion of Socrates is much upheld by the general consent even of the epicures themselves, that virtue beareth a great part in felicity; and if so, certain it is, that virtue hath more use in clearing perturbations then in compassing desires. The sophist’s opinion is much favoured by the assertion we last spake of, that good of advancement is greater than good of simple preservation; because every obtaining a desire hath a show of advancement, as motion though in a circle hath a show of progression.

(5) But the second question, decided the true way, maketh the former superfluous. For can it be doubted, but that there are some who take more pleasure in enjoying pleasures than some other, and yet, nevertheless, are less troubled with the loss or leaving of them? So as this same, Non uti ut non appetas, non appetere ut non me-tuas, sunt animi pusilli et diffidentis. And it seemeth to me that most of the doctrines of the philosophers are more fearful and cautious than the nature of things requireth. So have they increased the fear of death in offering to cure it. For when they would have a man’s whole life to be but a discipline or preparation to die, they must needs make men think that it is a terrible enemy, against whom there is no end of preparing. Better saith the poet:-

“Qui finem vitæ extremum inter munera ponat

Naturæ.”

So have they sought to make men’s minds too uniform and harmonical, by not breaking them sufficiently to contrary motions; the reasons whereof I suppose to be, because they themselves were men dedicated to a private, free, and unapplied course of life. For as we see, upon the lute or like instrument, a ground, though it be sweet and have show of many changes, yet breaketh not the hand to such strange and hard stops and passages, as a set song or voluntary; much after the same manner was the diversity between a philosophical and civil life. And, therefore, men are to imitate the wisdom of jewellers: who, if there be a grain, or a cloud, or an ice which may be ground forth without taking too much of the stone, they help it; but if it should lessen and abate the stone too much, they will not meddle with it: so ought men so to procure serenity as they destroy not magnanimity.

(6) Having therefore deduced the good of man which is private and particular, as far as seemeth fit, we will now return to that good of man which respecteth and beholdeth society, which we may term duty; because the term of duty is more proper to a mind well framed and disposed towards others, as the term of virtue is applied to a mind well formed and composed in itself; though neither can a man understand virtue without some relation to society, nor duty without an inward disposition. This part may seem at first to pertain to science civil and politic; but not if it be well observed. For it concerneth the regiment and government of every man over himself, and not over others. And as in architecture the direction of framing the posts, beams, and other parts of building, is not the same with the manner of joining them and erecting the building; and in mechanicals, the direction how to frame an instrument or engine is not the same with the manner of setting it on work and employing it; and yet, nevertheless, in expressing of the one you incidently express the aptness towards the other; so the doctrine of conjugation of men in society differeth from that of their conformity thereunto.

(7) This part of duty is subdivided into two parts: the common duty of every man, as a man or member of a state; the other, the respective or special duty of every man in his profession, vocation, and place. The first of these is extant and well laboured, as hath been said. The second likewise I may report rather dispersed than deficient; which manner of dispersed writing in this kind of argument I acknowledge to be best. For who can take upon him to write of the proper duty, virtue, challenge, and right of every several vocation, profession, and place? For although sometimes a looker on may see more than a gamester, and there be a proverb more arrogant than sound, “That the vale best discovereth the hill;” yet there is small doubt but that men can write best and most really and materially in their own professions; and that the writing of speculative men of active matter for the most part doth seem to men of experience, as Phormio’s argument of the wars seemed to Hannibal, to be but dreams and dotage. Only there is one vice which accompanieth them that write in their own professions, that they magnify them in excess. But generally it were to be wished (as that which would make learning indeed solid and fruitful) that active men would or could become writers.

(8) In which kind I cannot but mention, honoris causa, your Majesty’s excellent book touching the duty of a king; a work richly compounded of divinity, morality, and pol-icy, with great aspersion of all other arts; and being in some opinion one of the most sound and healthful writings that I have read: not distempered in the heat of inven-tion, nor in the coldness of negligence; not sick of dizziness, as those are who leese themselves in their order, nor of convulsions, as those which cramp in matters im-pertinent; not savouring of perfumes and paintings, as those do who seek to please the reader more than nature beareth; and chiefly well disposed in the spirits thereof, being agreeable to truth and apt for action; and far removed from that natural infirmity, whereunto I noted those that write in their own professions to be subject - which is, that they exalt it above measure. For your Majesty hath truly described, not a king of Assyria or Persia in their extern glory, but a Moses or a David, pastors of their people. Neither can I ever leese out of my remembrance what I heard your Majesty in the same sacred spirit of government deliver in a great cause of judicature, which was, “That kings ruled by their laws, as God did by the laws of nature; and ought as rarely to put in use their supreme prerogative as God doth His power of working miracles.” And yet notwithstanding in your book of a free monarchy, you do well give men to understand, that you know the plenitude of the power and right of a king, as well as the circle of his office and duty. Thus have I presumed to allege this excellent writing of your Majesty, as a prime or eminent example of tractates concerning special and respective duties; wherein I should have said as much, if it had been written a thousand years since. Neither am I moved with certain courtly decencies, which esteem it flattery to praise in presence. No, it is flattery to praise in absence - that is, when either the virtue is absent, or the occasion is absent; and so the praise is not natural, but forced, either in truth or in time. But let Cicero be read in his oration pro Marcello, which is nothing but an excellent table of Cæsar’s virtue, and made to his face; besides the example of many other excellent persons, wiser a great deal than such observers; and we will never doubt, upon a full occasion, to give just praises to present or absent.

(9) But to return; there belongeth further to the handling of this part, touching the duties of professions and vocations, a relative or opposite, touching the frauds, cautels, impostures, and vices of every profession, which hath been likewise handled; but how? rather in a satire and cynically, than seriously and wisely; for men have rather sought by wit to deride and traduce much of that which is good in professions, than with judgment to discover and sever that which is corrupt. For, as Solomon saith, he that cometh to seek after knowledge with a mind to scorn and censure shall be sure to find matter for his humour, but no matter for his instruction: Quærenti derisori scientiam ipsa se abscondit; sed studioso fit obviam. But the managing of this argument with integrity and truth, which I note as deficient, seemeth to me to be one of the best fortifications for honesty and virtue that can be planted. For, as the fable goeth of the basilisk - that if he see you first, you die for it; but if you see him first, he dieth - so is it with deceits and evil arts, which, if they be first espied they leese their life; but if they prevent, they endanger. So that we are much beholden to Machiavel and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do. For it is not possible to join serpentine wisdom with the columbine innocency, except men know exactly all the conditions of the serpent; his baseness and going upon his belly, his volubility and lubricity, his envy and sting, and the rest - that is, all forms and natures of evil. For without this, virtue lieth open and unfenced. Nay, an honest man can do no good upon those that are wicked, to reclaim them, without the help of the knowledge of evil. For men of corrupted minds presuppose that honesty groweth out of simplicity of manners, and believing of preachers, schoolmasters, and men’s exterior language. So as, except you can make them perceive that you know the utmost reaches of their own corrupt opinions, they despise all morality. Non recipit stultus verba prudentiæ, nisi ea dixeris quæ, versantur in corde ejus.

(10) Unto this part, touching respective duty, doth also appertain the duties between husband and wife, parent and child, master and servant. So likewise the laws of friendship and gratitude, the civil bond of companies, colleges, and politic bodies, of neighbourhood, and all other proportionate duties; not as they are parts of govern-ment and society, but as to the framing of the mind of particular persons.

(11) The knowledge concerning good respecting society doth handle it also, not simply alone, but comparatively; whereunto belongeth the weighing of duties between person and person, case and case, particular and public. As we see in the proceeding of Lucius Brutus against his own sons, which was so much extolled, yet what was said?

“Infelix, utcunque ferent ea fata minores.”

So the case was doubtful, and had opinion on both sides. Again, we see when M. Brutus and Cassius invited to a supper certain whose opinions they meant to feel, whether they were fit to be made their associates, and cast forth the question touching the killing of a tyrant being a usurper, they were divided in opinion; some holding that servitude was the extreme of evils, and others that tyranny was better than a civil war: and a number of the like cases there are of comparative duty. Amongst which that of all others is the most frequent, where the question is of a great deal of good to ensue of a small injustice. Which Jason of Thessalia determined against the truth: Aliqua sunt injuste facienda, ut multa juste fieri possint. But the reply is good: Auctorem præsentis justitiæ habes, sponsorem futuræ non habes. Men must pursue things which are just in present, and leave the future to the Divine Providence. So then we pass on from this general part touching the exemplar and description of good.

XXII. 

(1) Now, therefore, that we have spoken of this fruit of life, it remaineth to speak of the husbandry that belongeth thereunto, without which part the former seemeth to be no better than a fair image or statue, which is beautiful to contemplate, but is without life and motion; whereunto Aristotle himself subscribeth in these words: Necesse est scilicet de virtute dicere, et quid sit, et ex quibus gignatur. Inutile enum fere fuerit virtutem quidem nosse, acquirendæ autem ejus modos et vias ignorare. Non enum de virtute tantum, qua specie sit, quærendum est, sed et quomodo sui copiam faciat: utrumque enum volumeus, et rem ipsam nosse, et ejus compotes fieri: hoc autem ex voto non succedet, nisi sciamus et ex quibus et quomodo. In such full words and with such iteration doth he inculcate this part. So saith Cicero in great commendation of Cato the second, that he had applied himself to philosophy, Non ita disputandi causa, sed ita vivendi. And although the neglect of our times, wherein few men do hold any consultations touching the reformation of their life (as Seneca excellently saith, De partibus vitæ quisque deliberat, de summa nemo), may make this part seem superfluous; yet I must conclude with that aphorism of Hippocrates, Qui gravi morbo correpti dolores non sentiunt, iis mens ægrotat. They need medicine, not only to assuage the disease, but to awake the sense. And if it be said that the cure of men’s minds belongeth to sacred divinity, it is most true; but yet moral philosophy may be preferred unto her as a wise servant and humble handmaid. For as the Psalm saith, “That the eyes of the handmaid look perpetually towards the mistress,” and yet no doubt many things are left to the discretion of the handmaid to discern of the mistress’ will; so ought moral philosophy to give a constant attention to the doctrines of divinity, and yet so as it may yield of herself (within due limits) many sound and profitable directions.

(2) This part, therefore, because of the excellency thereof, I cannot but find exceeding strange that it is not reduced to written inquiry; the rather, because it consisteth of much matter, wherein both speech and action is often conversant; and such wherein the common talk of men (which is rare, but yet cometh sometimes to pass) is wiser than their books. It is reasonable, therefore, that we propound it in the more particularity, both for the worthiness, and because we may acquit ourselves for reporting it deficient, which seemeth almost incredible, and is otherwise conceived and presupposed by those themselves that have written. We will, therefore, enumerate some heads or points thereof, that it may appear the better what it is, and whether it be extant.

(3) First, therefore, in this, as in all things which are practical we ought to cast up our account, what is in our power, and what not; for the one may be dealt with by way of alteration, but the other by way of application only. The husbandman cannot com-mand neither the nature of the earth nor the seasons of the weather; no more can the physician the constitution of the patient nor the variety of accidents. So in the culture and cure of the mind of man, two things are without our command: points of Nature, and points of fortune. For to the basis of the one, and the conditions of the other, our work is limited and tied. In these things, therefore, it is left unto us to proceed by application

“Vincenda est omnis fertuna ferendo:”

and so likewise,

“Vincenda est omnis Natura ferendo.”

But when that we speak of suffering, we do not speak of a dull and neglected suffer-ing, but of a wise and industrious suffering, which draweth and contriveth use and advantage out of that which seemeth adverse and contrary; which is that properly which we call accommodating or applying. Now the wisdom of application resteth principally in the exact and distinct knowledge of the precedent state or disposition, unto which we do apply; for we cannot fit a garment except we first take measure of the body.

(4) So, then, the first article of this knowledge is to set down sound and true distri-butions and descriptions of the several characters and tempers of men’s natures and dispositions, specially having regard to those differences which are most radical in being the fountains and causes of the rest, or most frequent in concurrence or commixture; wherein it is not the handling of a few of them in passage, the better to describe the mediocrities of virtues, that can satisfy this intention. For if it deserve to be considered, that there are minds which are proportioned to great matters, and others to small (which Aristotle handleth, or ought to have bandied, by the name of magnanimity), doth it not deserve as well to be considered that there are minds proportioned to intend many matters, and others to few? So that some can divide themselves: others can perchance do exactly well, but it must be but in few things at once; and so there cometh to be a narrowness of mind, as well as a pusillanimity. And again, that some minds are proportioned to that which may be dispatched at once, or within a short return of time; others to that which begins afar off, and is to be won with length of pursuit:-

“Jam tum tenditqus fovetque.”

So that there may be fitly said to be a longanimity, which is commonly also ascribed to God as a magnanimity. So further deserved it to be considered by Aristotle, “That there is a disposition in conversation (supposing it in things which do in no sort touch or concern a man’s self) to soothe and please, and a disposition contrary to contradict and cross;” and deserveth it not much better to be considered. “That there is a disposition, not in conversation or talk, but in matter of more serious nature (and supposing it still in things merely indifferent), to take pleasure in the good of another; and a disposition contrariwise, to take distaste at the good of another?” which is that properly which we call good nature or ill nature, benignity or malignity; and, therefore, I cannot sufficiently marvel that this part of knowledge, touching the several characters of natures and dispositions, should be omitted both in morality and policy, considering it is of so great ministry and suppeditation to them both. A man shall find in the traditions of astrology some pretty and apt divisions of men’s natures, according to the predominances of the planets: lovers of quiet, lovers of action, lovers of victory, lovers of honour, lovers of pleasure, lovers of arts, lovers of change, and so forth. A man shall find in the wisest sort of these relations which the Italians make touching conclaves, the natures of the several cardinals handsomely and lively painted forth. A man shall meet with in every day’s conference the denominations of sensitive, dry, formal, real, humorous, certain, huomo di prima impressione, huomo di ultima impressione, and the like; and yet, nevertheless, this kind of observations wandereth in words, but is not fixed in inquiry. For the distinctions are found (many of them), but we conclude no precepts upon them: wherein our fault is the greater, because both history, poesy, and daily experience are as goodly fields where these observations grow; whereof we make a few posies to hold in our hands, but no man bringeth them to the confectionary that receipts might be made of them for use of life.

(5) Of much like kind are those impressions of Nature, which are imposed upon the mind by the sex, by the age, by the region, by health and sickness, by beauty and de-formity, and the like, which are inherent and not extern; and again, those which are caused by extern fortune, as sovereignty, nobility, obscure birth, riches, want, magistracy, privateness, prosperity, adversity, constant fortune, variable fortune, rising per saltum, per gradus, and the like. And, therefore, we see that Plautus maketh it a wonder to see an old man beneficent, benignitas hujis ut adolescentuli est. Saint Paul concludeth that severity of discipline was to be used to the Cretans, increpa eos dure, upon the disposition of their country, Cretensus semper mendaces, malæ bestiæ, ventres. Sallust noteth that it is usual with kings to desire contradictories: Sed plerumque regiæ voluntates, ut vehementes sunt, sic mobiles, sæpeque ipsæ sibi advers. Tacitus observeth how rarely raising of the fortune mendeth the disposition: solus Vespasia-nus mutatus in melius. Pindarus maketh an observation, that great and sudden for-tune for the most part defeateth men qui magnam felicitatem concoquere non possunt. So the Psalm showeth it is more easy to keep a measure in the enjoying of fortune, than in the increase of fortune; Divitiæ si affluant, nolite cor apponere. These observations and the like I deny not but are touched a little by Aristotle as in passage in his Rhetorics, and are handled in some scattered discourses; but they were never incorporate into moral philosophy, to which they do essentially appertain; as the knowledge of this diversity of grounds and moulds doth to agriculture, and the knowledge of the diversity of complexions and constitutions doth to the physician, except we mean to follow the indiscretion of empirics, which minister the same me-dicines to all patients.

(6) Another article of this knowledge is the inquiry touching the affections; for as in medicining of the body, it is in order first to know the divers complexions and con-stitutions; secondly, the diseases; and lastly, the cures: so in medicining of the mind, after knowledge of the divers characters of men’s natures, it followeth in order to know the diseases and infirmities of the mind, which are no other than the perturbations and distempars of the affections. For as the ancient politiques in popular estates were wont to compare the people to the sea, and the orators to the winds; because as the sea would of itself be calm and quiet, if the winds did not move and trouble it; so the people would be peaceable and tractable if the seditious orators did not set them in working and agitation: so it may be fitly said, that the mind in the nature thereof would be temperate and stayed, if the affections, as winds, did not put it into tumult and perturbation. And here again I find strange, as before, that Aristotle should have written divers volumes of Ethics, and never handled the affections which is the principal subject thereof; and yet in his Rhetorics, where they are considered but collaterally and in a second degree (as they may be moved by speech), he findeth place for them, and handleth them well for the quantity; but where their true place is he pretermitteth them. For it is not his disputations about pleasure and pain that can satisfy this inquiry, no more than he that should generally handle the nature of light can be said to handle the nature of colours; for pleasure and pain are to the particular affections as light is to particular colours. Better travails, I suppose, had the Stoics taken in this argument, as far as I can gather by that which we have at second hand. But yet it is like it was after their manner, rather in subtlety of definitions (which in a subject of this nature are but curiosities), than in active and ample descriptions and observations. So likewise I find some particular writings of an elegant nature, touching some of the affections: as of anger, of comfort upon adverse accidents, of tenderness of countenance, and other. But the poets and writers of histories are the best doctors of this knowledge; where we may find painted forth, with great life, how affections are kindled and incited; and how pacified and refrained; and how again contained from act and further degree; how they disclose themselves; how they work; how they vary; how they gather and fortify: how they are enwrapped one within another; and how they do fight and encounter one with another; and other the like particularities. Amongst the which this last is of special use in moral and civil matters; how, I say, to set affection against affection, and to master one by another; even as we used to hunt beast with beast, and fly bird with bird, which otherwise percase we could not so easily recover: upon which foundation is erected that excellent use of præmium and pæna, whereby civil states consist: employing the predominant affections of fear and hope, for the suppressing and bridling the rest. For as in the government of states it is sometimes necessary to bridle one faction with another, so it is in the government within.

(7) Now come we to those points which are within our own command, and have force and operation upon the mind, to affect the will and appetite, and to alter manners: wherein they ought to have handled custom, exercise, habit, education, example, imitation, emulation, company, friends, praise, reproof, exhortation, fame, laws, books, studies: these as they have determinate use in moralities, from these the mind suffereth, and of these are such receipts and regiments compounded and described, as may serve to recover or preserve the health and good estate of the mind, as far as pertaineth to human medicine: of which number we will insist upon some one or two, as an example of the rest, because it were too long to prosecute all; and therefore we do resume custom and habit to speak of.

(8) The opinion of Aristotle seemeth to me a negligent opinion, that of those things which consist by Nature, nothing can be changed by custom; using for example, that if a stone be thrown ten thousand times up it will not learn to ascend; and that by often seeing or hearing we do not learn to see or hear the better. For though this principle be true in things wherein Nature is peremptory (the reason whereof we cannot now stand to discuss), yet it is otherwise in things wherein Nature admitteth a latitude. For he might see that a strait glove will come more easily on with use; and that a wand will by use bend otherwise than it grew; and that by use of the voice we speak louder and stronger; and that by use of enduring heat or cold we endure it the better, and the like: which latter sort have a nearer resemblance unto that subject of manners he handleth, than those instances which he allegeth. But allowing his conclusion, that virtues and vices consist in habit, he ought so much the more to have taught the manner of superinducing that habit: for there be many precepts of the wise ordering the exercises of the mind, as there is of ordering the exercises of the body, whereof we will recite a few.

(9) The first shall be, that we beware we take not at the first either too high a strain or too weak: for if too high, in a diffident nature you discourage, in a confident nature you breed an opinion of facility, and so a sloth; and in all natures you breed a further expectation than can hold out, and so an insatisfaction in the end: if too weak, of the other side, you may not look to perform and overcome any great task.

(10) Another precept is to practise all things chiefly at two several times, the one when the mind is best disposed, the other when it is worst disposed; that by the one you may gain a great step, by the other you may work out the knots and stonds of the mind, and make the middle times the more easy and pleasant.

(11) Another precept is that which Aristotle mentioneth by the way, which is to bear ever towards the contrary extreme of that whereunto we are by nature inclined; like unto the rowing against the stream, or making a wand straight by bending him con-trary to his natural crookedness.

(12) Another precept is that the mind is brought to anything better, and with more sweetness and happiness, if that whereunto you pretend be not first in the intention, but tanquam aliud agendo, because of the natural hatred of the mind against necessity and constraint. Many other axioms there are touching the managing of exercise and custom, which being so conducted doth prove indeed another nature; but, being governed by chance, doth commonly prove but an ape of Nature, and bringeth forth that which is lame and counterfeit.

(13) So if we should handle books and studies, and what influence and operation they have upon manners, are there not divers precepts of great caution and direction appertaining thereunto? Did not one of the fathers in great indignation call poesy vi-num dæmonum, because it increaseth temptations, perturbations, and vain opinions? Is not the opinion of Aristotle worthy to be regarded, wherein he saith, “That young men are no fit auditors of moral philosophy, because they are not settled from the boiling heat of their affections, nor attempered with time and experience”? And doth it not hereof come, that those excellent books and discourses of the ancient writers (whereby they have persuaded unto virtue most effectually, by representing her in state and majesty, and popular opinions against virtue in their parasites’ coats fit to be scorned and derided), are of so little effect towards honesty of life, because they are not read and revolved by men in their mature and settled years, but confined almost to boys and beginners? But is it not true also, that much less young men are fit auditors of matters of policy, till they have been thoroughly seasoned in religion and morality; lest their judgments be corrupted, and made apt to think that there are no true differences of things, but according to utility and fortune, as the verse describes it, Prosperum et felix scelus virtus vocatur; and again, Ille crucem pretium sceleris tulit, hic diadema: which the poets do speak satirically and in indignation on virtue’s behalf; but books of policy do speak it seriously and positively; for so it pleaseth Machiavel to say, “That if Cæsar had been overthrown, he would have been more odious than ever was Catiline;” as if there had been no difference, but in fortune, between a very fury of lust and blood, and the most excellent spirit (his ambition reserved) of the world? Again, is there not a caution likewise to be given of the doctrines of moralities themselves (some kinds of them), lest they make men too precise, arrogant, incompatible; as Cicero saith of Cato, In Marco Catone hæc bona quæ videmus divina et egregia, ipsius scitote esse propria; quæ nonunquam requirimus ea sunt omnia non a natura, sed a magistro? Many other axioms and advices there are touching those proprieties and effects, which studies do infuse and instil into manners. And so, likewise, is there touching the use of all those other points, of company, fame, laws, and the rest, which we recited in the beginning in the doctrine of morality.

(14) But there is a kind of culture of the mind that seemeth yet more accurate and elaborate than the rest, and is built upon this ground; that the minds of all men are at some times in a state more perfect, and at other times in a state more depraved. The purpose, therefore, of this practice is to fix and cherish the good hours of the mind, and to obliterate and take forth the evil. The fixing of the good hath been practised by two means, vows or constant resolutions, and observances or exercises; which are not to be regarded so much in themselves, as because they keep the mind in continual obedience. The obliteration of the evil hath been practised by two means, some kind of redemption or expiation of that which is past, and an inception or account de novo for the time to come. But this part seemeth sacred and religious, and justly; for all good moral philosophy (as was said) is but a handmaid to religion.

(15) Wherefore we will conclude with that last point, which is of all other means the most compendious and summary, and again, the most noble and effectual to the re-ducing of the mind unto virtue and good estate; which is, the electing and propound-ing unto a man’s self good and virtuous ends of his life, such as may be in a reasona-ble sort within his compass to attain. For if these two things be supposed, that a man set before him honest and good ends, and again, that he be resolute, constant, and true unto them; it will follow that he shall mould himself into all virtue at once. And this indeed is like the work of nature; whereas the other course is like the work of the hand. For as when a carver makes an image, he shapes only that part whereupon he worketh; as if he be upon the face, that part which shall be the body is but a rude stone still, till such times as he comes to it. But contrariwise when nature makes a flower or living creature, she formeth rudiments of all the parts at one time. So in obtaining virtue by habit, while a man practiseth temperance, he doth not profit much to fortitude, nor the like but when he dedicateth and applieth himself to good ends, look, what virtue soever the pursuit and passage towards those ends doth commend unto him, he is invested of a precedent disposition to conform himself thereunto. Which state of mind Aristotle doth excellently express himself, that it ought not to be called virtuous, but divine. His words are these: Immanitati autem consentaneum est opponere eam, quæ supra humanitatem est, heroicam sive divinam virtutem; and a little after, Nam ut feræ neque vitium neque virtus est, swic neque Dei: sed hic quidem status altius quiddam virtute est, ille aluid quiddam a vitio. And therefore we may see what celsitude of honour Plinius Secundus attributeth to Trajan in his funeral oration, where he said, “That men needed to make no other prayers to the gods, but that they would continue as good lords to them as Trajan had been;” as if he had not been only an imitation of divine nature, but a pattern of it. But these be heathen and profane passages, having but a shadow of that divine state of mind, which religion and the holy faith doth conduct men unto, by imprinting upon their souls charity, which is excellently called the bond of perfection, because it comprehendeth and fasteneth all virtues together. And as it is elegantly said by Menander of vain love, which is but a false imitation of divine love, Amor melior Sophista lœvo ad humanam vitam - that love teacheth a man to carry himself better than the sophist or preceptor; which he calleth left-handed, because, with all his rules and preceptions, he cannot form a man so dexterously, nor with that facility to prize himself and govern himself, as love can do: so certainly, if a man’s mind be truly inflamed with charity, it doth work him suddenly into greater perfection than all the doctrine of morality can do, which is but a sophist in comparison of the other. Nay, further, as Xenophon observed truly, that all other affections, though they raise the mind, yet they do it by distorting and uncomeliness of ecstasies or excesses; but only love doth exalt the mind, and nevertheless at the same instant doth settle and compose it: so in all other excellences, though they advance nature, yet they are subject to excess. Only charity admitteth no excess. For so we see, aspiring to be like God in power, the angels transgressed and fell; Ascendam, et ero similis altissimo: by aspiring to be like God in knowledge, man transgressed and fell; Eritis sicut Dii, scientes bonum et malum: but by aspiring to a similitude of God in goodness or love, neither man nor angel ever transgressed, or shall transgress. For unto that imitation we are called: Diligite inimicos vestros, benefacite eis qui oderunt vos, et orate pro persequentibus et calumniantibus vos, ut sitis filii Patris vestri qui in cœlis est, qui solem suum oriri facit super bonos et malos, et pluit super justos et injustos. So in the first platform of the divine nature itself, the heathen religion speaketh thus, Optimus Maximus: and the sacred Scriptures thus, Miscericordia ejus super omnia opera ejus.

(16) Wherefore I do conclude this part of moral knowledge, concerning the culture and regiment of the mind; wherein if any man, considering the arts thereof which I have enumerated, do judge that my labour is but to collect into an art or science that which hath been pretermitted by others, as matter of common sense and experience, he judgeth well. But as Philocrates sported with Demosthenes, “You may not marvel (Athenians) that Demosthenes and I do differ; for he drinketh water, and I drink wine;” and like as we read of an ancient parable of the two gates of sleep -

“Sunt geminæ somni portæ: quarum altera fertur

Cornea, qua veris facilis datur exitus umbris:

Altera candenti perfecta nitens elephanto,

Sed falsa ad cœlum mittunt insomnia manes:”

so if we put on sobriety and attention, we shall find it a sure maxim in knowledge, that the more pleasant liquor (“of wine”) is the more vaporous, and the braver gate (“of ivory”) sendeth forth the falser dreams.

(17) But we have now concluded that general part of human philosophy, which con-templateth man segregate, and as he consisteth of body and spirit. Wherein we may further note, that there seemeth to be a relation or conformity between the good of the mind and the good of the body. For as we divided the good of the body into health, beauty, strength, and pleasure, so the good of the mind, inquired in rational and moral knowledges, tendeth to this, to make the mind sound, and without perturbation; beautiful, and graced with decency; and strong and agile for all duties of life. These three, as in the body, so in the mind, seldom meet, and commonly sever. For it is easy to observe, that many have strength of wit and courage, but have neither health from perturbations, nor any beauty or decency in their doings; some again have an elegancy and fineness of carriage which have neither soundness of honesty nor substance of sufficiency; and some again have honest and reformed minds, that can neither become themselves nor manage business; and sometimes two of them meet, and rarely all three. As for pleasure, we have likewise determined that the mind ought not to be reduced to stupid, but to retain pleasure; confined rather in the subject of it, than in the strength and vigour of it.

XXIII. 

(1) Civil knowledge is conversant about a subject which of all others is most immersed in matter, and hardliest reduced to axiom. Nevertheless, as Cato the Censor said, “That the Romans were like sheep, for that a man were better drive a flock of them, than one of them; for in a flock, if you could get but some few go right, the rest would follow:” so in that respect moral philosophy is more difficile than policy. Again, moral philosophy propoundeth to itself the framing of internal goodness; but civil knowledge requireth only an external goodness; for that as to society sufficeth. And therefore it cometh oft to pass that there be evil times in good governments: for so we find in the Holy story, when the kings were good, yet it is added, Sed adhuc poulus non direxerat cor suum ad Dominum Deum patrum suorum. Again, states, as great engines, move slowly, and are not so soon put out of frame: for as in Egypt the seven good years sustained the seven bad, so governments for a time well grounded do bear out errors following; but the resolution of particular persons is more suddenly subverted. These respects do somewhat qualify the extreme difficulty of civil knowledge.

(2) This knowledge hath three parts, according to the three summary actions of society; which are conversation, negotiation, and government. For man seeketh in society comfort, use, and protection; and they be three wisdoms of divers natures which do often sever - wisdom of the behaviour, wisdom of business, and wisdom of state.

(3) The wisdom of conversation ought not to be over much affected, but much less despised; for it hath not only an honour in itself, but an influence also into business and government. The poet saith, Nec vultu destrue verba tuo: a man may destroy the force of his words with his countenance; so may he of his deeds, saith Cicero, re-commending to his brother affability and easy access; Nil interest habere ostium apertum, vultum clausum: it is nothing won to admit men with an open door, and to receive them with a shut and reserved countenance. So we see Atticus, before the first interview between Cæsar and Cicero, the war depending, did seriously advise Cicero touching the composing and ordering of his countenance and gesture. And if the government of the countenance be of such effect, much more is that of the speech, and other carriage appertaining to conversation; the true model whereof seemeth to me well expressed by Livy, though not meant for this purpose: Ne aut arrogans videar, aut obnoxius; quorum alterum est àlienæ libertatis obliti, alterum suæ: the sum of behaviour is to retain a man’s own dignity, without intruding upon the liberty of others. On the other side, if behaviour and outward carriage be intended too much, first it may pass into affectation, and then Quid deformius quam scenam in vitam transferre - to act a man’s life? But although it proceed not to that extreme, yet it consumeth time, and employeth the mind too much. And therefore as we use to advise young students from company keeping, by saying, Amici fures temporis: so certainly the intending of the discretion of behaviour is a great thief of meditation. Again, such as are accomplished in that form of urbanity please themselves in it, and seldom aspire to higher virtue; whereas those that have defect in it do seek comeliness by reputation; for where reputation is, almost everything becometh; but where that is not, it must be supplied by puntos and compliments. Again, there is no greater impediment of action than an over-curious observance of decency, and the guide of decency, which is time and season. For as Solomon saith, Qui respicit ad ventos, non seminat; et qui respicit ad nubes, non metet: a man must make his opportunity, as oft as find it. To conclude, behaviour seemeth to me as a garment of the mind, and to have the conditions of a garment. For it ought to be made in fashion; it ought not to be too curious; it ought to be shaped so as to set forth any good making of the mind and hide any deformity; and above all, it ought not to be too strait or restrained for exercise or motion. But this part of civil knowledge hath been elegantly handled, and therefore I cannot report it for deficient.

(4) The wisdom touching negotiation or business hath not been hitherto collected into writing, to the great derogation of learning and the professors of learning. For from this root springeth chiefly that note or opinion, which by us is expressed in adage to this effect, that there is no great concurrence between learning and wisdom. For of the three wisdoms which we have set down to pertain to civil life, for wisdom of behaviour, it is by learned men for the most part despised, as an inferior to virtue and an enemy to meditation; for wisdom of government, they acquit themselves well when they are called to it, but that happeneth to few; but for the wisdom of business, wherein man’s life is most conversant, there be no books of it, except some few scattered advertisements, that have no proportion to the magnitude of this subject. For if books were written of this as the other, I doubt not but learned men with mean experience would far excel men of long experience without learning, and outshoot them in their own bow.

(5) Neither needeth it at all to be doubted, that this knowledge should be so variable as it falleth not under precept; for it is much less infinite than science of government, which we see is laboured and in some part reduced. Of this wisdom it seemeth some of the ancient Romans in the saddest and wisest times were professors; for Cicero reporteth, that it was then in use for senators that had name and opinion for general wise men, as Coruncanius, Curius, Lælius, and many others, to walk at certain hours in the Place, and to give audience to those that would use their advice; and that the particular citizens would resort unto them, and consult with them of the marriage of a daughter, or of the employing of a son, or of a purchase or bargain, or of an accusation, and every other occasion incident to man’s life. So as there is a wisdom of counsel and advice even in private causes, arising out of a universal insight into the affairs of the world; which is used indeed upon particular causes propounded, but is gathered by general observation of causes of like nature. For so we see in the book which Q. Cicero writeth to his brother, De petitione consulatus (being the only book of business that I know written by the ancients), although it concerned a particular action then on foot, yet the substance thereof consisteth of many wise and politic axioms, which contain not a temporary, but a perpetual direction in the case of popular elections. But chiefly we may see in those aphorisms which have place amongst divine writings, composed by Solomon the king, of whom the Scriptures testify that his heart was as the sands of the sea, encompassing the world and all worldly matters, we see, I say, not a few profound and excellent cautions, precepts, positions, extending to much variety of occasions; whereupon we will stay a while, offering to consideration some number of examples.

(6) Sed et cunctis sermonibus qui dicuntur ne accommodes aurem tuam, ne forte au-dias servum tuum maledicentem tibi. Here is commended the provident stay of in-quiry of that which we would be loth to find: as it was judged great wisdom in Pom-peius Magnus that he burned Sertorius’ papers unperused.

Vir sapiens, si cum stulto contenderit, sive irascatur, sive rideat, non inveniet requiem. Here is described the great disadvantage which a wise man hath in undertaking a lighter person than himself; which is such an engagement as, whether a man turn the matter to jest, or turn it to heat, or howsoever he change copy, he can no ways quit himself well of it.

Qui delicate a pueritia nutrit servum suum, postea sentiet eum contumacem. Here is signified, that if a man begin too high a pitch in his favours, it doth commonly end in unkindness and unthankfulness.

Vidisti virum velocem in opere suo? coram regibus stabit, nec erit inter ignobiles. Here is observed, that of all virtues for rising to honour, quickness of despatch is the best; for superiors many times love not to have those they employ too deep or too sufficient, but ready and diligent.

Vidi cunctos viventes qui ambulant sub sole, cum adolescente secundo qui consurgit pro eo. Here is expressed that which was noted by Sylla first, and after him by Tiberius. Plures adorant solem orientem quam occidentem vel meridianum.

Si spiritus potestatem habentis ascenderit super te, locum tuum ne demiseris; quia cu-ratio faciet cessare peccata maxima. Here caution is given, that upon displeasure, retiring is of all courses the unfittest; for a man leaveth things at worst, and depriveth himself of means to make them better.

Erat civitas parva, et pauci in ea viri: venit contra eam rex magnus, et vallavit eam, in-struxitque munitones per gyrum, et perfecta est obsidio; inventusque est in ea vir pauper et sapiens, et liberavit eam per sapientiam suam; et nullus deinceps recordatus est huminis illius pauperis. Here the corruption of states is set forth, that esteem not virtue or merit longer than they have use of it.

Millis responsio frangit iram. Here is noted that silence or rough answer exasperateth; but an answer present and temperate pacifieth.

Iter pigrorum quasi sepes spinarum. Here is lively represented how laborious sloth proveth in the end; for when things are deferred till the last instant, and nothing pre-pared beforehand, every step findeth a briar or impediment, which catcheth or stop-peth.

Melior est finis orationis quam principium. Here is taxed the vanity of formal speakers, that study more about prefaces and inducements, than upon the conclusions and issues of speech.

Qui cognoscit in judicio faciem, non bene facit; iste et pro buccella panis deseret ve-ritatem. Here is noted, that a judge were better be a briber than a respecter of persons; for a corrupt judge offendeth not so lightly as a facile.

Vir pauper calumnians pauperes simils est imbri vehementi, in quo paratur fames. Here is expressed the extremity of necessitous extortions, figured in the ancient fable of the full and the hungry horseleech.

Fons turbatus pede, et vena corrupta, est justus cadens coram impio. Here is noted, that one judicial and exemplar iniquity in the face of the world doth trouble the fountains of justice more than many particular injuries passed over by connivance.

Qui subtrahit aliquid a patre et a matre, et dicit hoc non esse peccatum, particeps est homicidii. Here is noted that, whereas men in wronging their best friends use to ex-tenuate their fault, as if they might presume or be bold upon them, it doth contrari-wise indeed aggravate their fault, and turneth it from injury to impiety.

Noli esse amicus homini iracundo, nec ambulato cum homine furioso. Here caution is given, that in the election of our friends we do principally avoid those which are impatient, as those that will espouse us to many factions and quarrels.

Qui conturbat domum suam, possidebit ventum. Here is noted, that in domestical separations and breaches men do promise to themselves quieting of their mind and contentment; but still they are deceived of their expectation, and it turneth to wind.

Filius sapiens lætificat patrem: filius vero stultus mæstitia est matri suæ. Here is dis-tinguished, that fathers have most comfort of the good proof of their sons; but mothers have most discomfort of their ill proof, because women have little discerning of virtue, but of fortune.

Qui celat delictum, quærit amicitiam; sed qui altero sermone repetit, separat fæderatos. Here caution is given, that reconcilement is better managed by an amnesty, and passing over that which is past, than by apologies and excuses.

In omni opere bono erit abundantia; ubi autem verba sunt plurima, ibi frequenter egestas. Here is noted, that words and discourse aboundeth most where there is idle-ness and want.

Primus in sua causa justus: sed venit altera pars, et inquiret in eum. Here is observed, that in all causes the first tale possesseth much; in sort, that the prejudice thereby wrought will be hardly removed, except some abuse or falsity in the information be detected.

Verba bilinguis quasi simplicia, et ipsa perveniunt ad interiora ventris. Here is distin-guished, that flattery and insinuation, which seemeth set and artificial, sinketh not far; but that entereth deep which hath show of nature, liberty, and simplicity.

Qui erudit derisorem, ipse sibi injuriam facit; et qui arguit impium, sibi maculam ge-nerat. Here caution is given how we tender reprehension to arrogant and scornful natures, whose manner is to esteem it for contumely, and accordingly to return it.

Da sapienti occasionem, et addetur ei sapientia. Here is distinguished the wisdom brought into habit, and that which is but verbal and swimming only in conceit; for the one upon the occasion presented is quickened and redoubled, the other is amazed and confused.

Quomodo in aquis resplendent vultus prospicientium, sic corda hominum manifesta sunt prudentibus. Here the mind of a wise man is compared to a glass, wherein the images of all diversity of natures and customs are represented; from which represen-tation proceedeth that application,

“Qui sapit, innumeris moribus aptus erit.”

(7) Thus have I stayed somewhat longer upon these sentences politic of Solomon than is agreeable to the proportion of an example; led with a desire to give authority to this part of knowledge, which I noted as deficient, by so excellent a precedent; and have also attended them with brief observations, such as to my understanding offer no violence to the sense, though I know they may be applied to a more divine use: but it is allowed, even in divinity, that some interpretations, yea, and some writings, have more of the eagle than others; but taking them as instructions for life, they might have received large discourse, if I would have broken them and illustrated them by deducements and examples.

(8) Neither was this in use only with the Hebrews, but it is generally to be found in the wisdom of the more ancient times; that as men found out any observation that they thought was good for life, they would gather it and express it in parable or aphorism or fable. But for fables, they were vicegerents and supplies where examples failed: now that the times abound with history, the aim is better when the mark is alive. And therefore the form of writing which of all others is fittest for this variable argument of negotiation and occasions is that which Machiavel chose wisely and aptly for government; namely, discourse upon histories or examples. For knowledge drawn freshly and in our view out of particulars, knoweth the way best to particulars again. And it hath much greater life for practice when the discourse attendeth upon the example, than when the example attendeth upon the discourse. For this is no point of order, as it seemeth at first, but of substance. For when the example is the ground, being set down in a history at large, it is set down with all circumstances, which may sometimes control the discourse thereupon made, and sometimes supply it, as a very pattern for action; whereas the examples alleged for the discourse’s sake are cited succinctly, and without particularity, and carry a servile aspect towards the discourse which they are brought in to make good.

(9) But this difference is not amiss to be remembered, that as history of times is the best ground for discourse of government, such as Machiavel handleth, so histories of lives is the most popular for discourse of business, because it is more conversant in private actions. Nay, there is a ground of discourse for this purpose fitter than them both, which is discourse upon letters, such as are wise and weighty, as many are of Cicero ad Atticum, and others. For letters have a great and more particular repre-sentation of business than either chronicles or lives. Thus have we spoken both of the matter and form of this part of civil knowledge, touching negotiation, which we note to be deficient.

(10) But yet there is another part of this part, which differeth as much from that whereof we have spoken as sapere and sibi sapere, the one moving as it were to the circumference, the other to the centre. For there is a wisdom of counsel, and again there is a wisdom of pressing a man’s own fortune; and they do sometimes meet, and often sever. For many are wise in their own ways that are weak for government or counsel; like ants, which is a wise creature for itself, but very hurtful for the garden. This wisdom the Romans did take much knowledge of: Nam pol sapiens (saith the comical poet) fingit fortunam sibi; and it grew to an adage, Faber quisque fortunæ propriæ; and Livy attributed it to Cato the first, In hoc viro tanta vis animi et ingenii inerat, ut quocunque loco natus esset sibi ipse fortunam facturus videretur.

(11) This conceit or position, if it be too much declared and professed, hath been thought a thing impolitic and unlucky, as was observed in Timotheus the Athenian, who, having done many great services to the state in his government, and giving an account thereof to the people as the manner was, did conclude every particular with this clause, “And in this fortune had no part.” And it came so to pass, that he never prospered in anything he took in hand afterwards. For this is too high and too arro-gant, savouring of that which Ezekiel saith of Pharaoh, Dicis, Fluvius est neus et ego feci memet ipsum; or of that which another prophet speaketh, that men offer sacrifices to their nets and snares; and that which the poet expresseth,

“Dextra mihi Deus, et telum quod missile libro,

Nunc adsint!”

For these confidences were ever unhallowed, and unblessed; and, therefore, those that were great politiques indeed ever ascribed their successes to their felicity and not to their skill or virtue. For so Sylla surnamed himself Felix, not Magnus. So Cæsar said to the master of the ship, Cæsarem portas et fortunam ejus.

(12) But yet, nevertheless, these positions, Faber quisque fortunæ suæ: Sapiens domi-nabitur astris: Invia virtuti null est via, and the like, being taken and used as spurs to industry, and not as stirrups to insolency, rather for resolution than for the presump-tion or outward declaration, have been ever thought sound and good; and are no question imprinted in the greatest minds, who are so sensible of this opinion as they can scarce contain it within. As we see in Augustus Cæsar (who was rather diverse from his uncle than inferior in virtue), how when he died he desired his friends about him to give him a plaudite, as if he were conscious to himself that he had played his part well upon the stage. This part of knowledge we do report also as deficient; not but that it is practised too much, but it hath not been reduced to writing. And, therefore, lest it should seem to any that it is not comprehensible by axiom, it is requisite, as we did in the former, that we set down some heads or passages of it.

(13) Wherein it may appear at the first a new and unwonted argument to teach men how to raise and make their fortune; a doctrine wherein every man perchance will be ready to yield himself a disciple, till he see the difficulty: for fortune layeth as heavy impositions as virtue; and it is as hard and severe a thing to be a true politique, as to be truly moral. But the handling hereof concerneth learning greatly, both in honour and in substance. In honour, because pragmatical men may not go away with an opinion that learning is like a lark, that can mount and sing, and please herself, and nothing else; but may know that she holdeth as well of the hawk, that can soar aloft, and can also descend and strike upon the prey. In substance, because it is the perfect law of inquiry of truth, that nothing be in the globe of matter, which should not be likewise in the globe of crystal or form; that is, that there be not anything in being and action which should not be drawn and collected into contemplation and doctrine. Neither doth learning admire or esteem of this architecture of fortune otherwise than as of an inferior work, for no man’s fortune can be an end worthy of his being, and many times the worthiest men do abandon their fortune willingly for better respects: but nevertheless fortune as an organ of virtue and merit deserveth the consideration.

(14) First, therefore, the precept which I conceive to be most summary towards the prevailing in fortune, is to obtain that window which Momus did require; who seeing in the frame of man’s heart such angles and recesses, found fault there was not a window to look into them; that is, to procure good informations of particulars touching persons, their natures, their desires and ends, their customs and fashions, their helps and advantages, and whereby they chiefly stand, so again their weaknesses and disadvantages, and where they lie most open and obnoxious, their friends, fac-tions, dependences; and again their opposites, enviers, competitors, their moods and times, Sola viri molles aditus et tempora noras; their principles, rules, and observations, and the like: and this not only of persons but of actions; what are on foot from time to time, and how they are conducted, favoured, opposed, and how they import, and the like. For the knowledge of present actions is not only material in itself, but without it also the knowledge of persons is very erroneous: for men change with the actions; and whilst they are in pursuit they are one, and when they return to their nature they are another. These informations of particulars, touching persons and actions, are as the minor propositions in every active syllogism; for no excellency of observations (which are as the major propositions) can suffice to ground a conclusion, if there be error and mistaking in the minors.

(15) That this knowledge is possible, Solomon is our surety, who saith, Consilium in corde viri tanquam aqua profunda; sed vir prudens exhauriet illud. And although the knowledge itself falleth not under precept because it is of individuals, yet the instruc-tions for the obtaining of it may.

(16) We will begin, therefore, with this precept, according to the ancient opinion, that the sinews of wisdom are slowness of belief and distrust; that more trust be given to countenances and deeds than to words; and in words rather to sudden passages and surprised words than to set and purposed words. Neither let that be feared which is said, Fronti nulla fides, which is meant of a general outward behaviour, and not of the private and subtle motions and labours of the countenance and gesture; which, as Q. Cicero elegantly saith, is Animi janua, “the gate of the mind.” None more close than Tiberius, and yet Tacitus saith of Gallus, Etenim vultu offensionem conjectaverat. So again, noting the differing character and manner of his commending Germanicus and Drusus in the Senate, he saith, touching his fashion wherein he carried his speech of Germanicus, thus: Magis in speciem adornatis verbis, quam ut penitus sentire crederetur; but of Drusus thus: Paucioribus sed intentior, et fida oratione; and in another place, speaking of his character of speech when he did anything that was gracious and popular, he saith, “That in other things he was velut eluctantium verbo-rum;” but then again, solutius loquebatur quando subveniret. So that there is no such artificer of dissimulation, nor no such commanded countenance (vultus jussus), that can sever from a feigned tale some of these fashions, either a more slight and careless fashion, or more set and formal, or more tedious and wandering, or coming from a man more drily and hardly.

(17) Neither are deeds such assured pledges as that they may be trusted without a ju-dicious consideration of their magnitude and nature: Fraus sibi in parvis fidem præstruit ut majore emolumento fallat; and the Italian thinketh himself upon the point to be bought and sold, when he is better used than he was wont to be without manifest cause. For small favours, they do but lull men to sleep, both as to caution and as to industry; and are, as Demosthenes calleth them, Alimenta socordiæ. So again we see how false the nature of some deeds are, in that particular which Mutianus practised upon Antonius Primus, upon that hollow and unfaithful reconcilement which was made between them; whereupon Mutianus advanced many of the friends of Antonius, Simul amicis ejus præfecturas et tribunatus largitur: wherein, under pretence to strengthen him, he did desolate him, and won from him his dependents.

(18) As for words, though they be like waters to physicians, full of flattery and uncer-tainty, yet they are not to be despised specially with the advantage of passion and af-fection. For so we see Tiberius, upon a stinging and incensing speech of Agrippina, came a step forth of his dissimulation when he said, “You are hurt because you do not reign;” of which Tacitus saith, Audita hæc raram occulti pectoris vocem elicuere: correptamque Græco versu admonuit, ideo lædi quia non regnaret. And, therefore, the poet doth elegantly call passions tortures that urge men to confess their secrets:-

“Vino torus et ira.”

And experience showeth there are few men so true to themselves and so settled but that, sometimes upon heat, sometimes upon bravery, sometimes upon kindness, sometimes upon trouble of mind and weakness, they open themselves; specially if they be put to it with a counter-dissimulation, according to the proverb of Spain, Di mentira, y sacar as verdad: “Tell a lie and find a truth.”

(19) As for the knowing of men which is at second hand from reports: men’s weak-nesses and faults are best known from their enemies, their virtues and abilities from their friends, their customs and times from their servants, their conceits and opinions from their familiar friends, with whom they discourse most. General fame is light, and the opinions conceived by superiors or equals are deceitful; for to such men are more masked: Verior fama e domesticis emanat.

(20) But the soundest disclosing and expounding of men is by their natures and ends, wherein the weakest sort of men are best interpreted by their natures, and the wisest by their ends. For it was both pleasantly and wisely said (though I think very untruly) by a nuncio of the Pope, returning from a certain nation where he served as lidger; whose opinion being asked touching the appointment of one to go in his place, he wished that in any case they did not send one that was too wise; because no very wise man would ever imagine what they in that country were like to do. And certainly it is an error frequent for men to shoot over, and to suppose deeper ends and more compass reaches than are: the Italian proverb being elegant, and for the most part true:-

“Di danari, di senno, e di fede,

C’è ne manco che non credi.”

“There is commonly less money, less wisdom, and less good faith than men do account upon.”

(21) But princes, upon a far other reason, are best interpreted by their natures, and private persons by their ends. For princes being at the top of human desires, they have for the most part no particular ends whereto they aspire, by distance from which a man might take measure and scale of the rest of their actions and desires; which is one of the causes that maketh their hearts more inscrutable. Neither is it sufficient to inform ourselves in men’s ends and natures of the variety of them only, but also of the predominancy, what humour reigneth most, and what end is principally sought. For so we see, when Tigellinus saw himself outstripped by Petronius Turpilianus in Nero’s humours of pleasures, metus ejus rimatur, he wrought upon Nero’s fears, whereby he broke the other’s neck.

(22) But to all this part of inquiry the most compendious way resteth in three things; the first, to have general acquaintance and inwardness with those which have general acquaintance and look most into the world; and specially according to the diversity of business, and the diversity of persons, to have privacy and conversation with some one friend at least which is perfect and well-intelligenced in every several kind. The second is to keep a good mediocrity in liberty of speech and secrecy; in most things liberty; secrecy where it importeth; for liberty of speech inviteth and provoketh liberty to be used again, and so bringeth much to a man’s knowledge; and secrecy on the other side induceth trust and inwardness. The last is the reducing of a man’s self to this watchful and serene habit, as to make account and purpose, in every conference and action, as well to observe as to act. For as Epictetus would have a philosopher in every particular action to say to himself, Et hoc volo, et etiam institutum servare; so a politic man in everything should say to himself, Et hoc volo, ac etiam aliquid addiscere. I have stayed the longer upon this precept of obtaining good information because it is a main part by itself, which answereth to all the rest. But, above all things, caution must be taken that men have a good stay and hold of themselves, and that this much knowing do not draw on much meddling; for nothing is more unfortunate than light and rash intermeddling in many matters. So that this variety of knowledge tendeth in conclusion but only to this, to make a better and freer choice of those actions which may concern us, and to conduct them with the less error and the more dexterity.

(23) The second precept concerning this knowledge is, for men to take good infor-mation touching their own person, and well to understand themselves; knowing that, as St. James saith, though men look oft in a glass, yet they do suddenly forget them-selves; wherein as the divine glass is the Word of God, so the politic glass is the state of the world, or times wherein we live, in the which we are to behold ourselves.

(24) For men ought to take an impartial view of their own abilities and virtues; and again of their wants and impediments; accounting these with the most, and those other with the least; and from this view and examination to frame the considerations following.

(25) First, to consider how the constitution of their nature sorteth with the general state of the times; which if they find agreeable and fit, then in all things to give themselves more scope and liberty; but if differing and dissonant, then in the whole course of their life to be more close retired, and reserved; as we see in Tiberius, who was never seen at a play, and came not into the senate in twelve of his last years; whereas Augustus Cæsar lived ever in men’s eyes, which Tacitus observeth, alia Tiberio morum via.

(26) Secondly, to consider how their nature sorteth with professions and courses of life, and accordingly to make election, if they be free; and, if engaged, to make the departure at the first opportunity; as we see was done by Duke Valentine, that was designed by his father to a sacerdotal profession, but quitted it soon after in regard of his parts and inclination; being such, nevertheless, as a man cannot tell well whether they were worse for a prince or for a priest.

(27) Thirdly, to consider how they sort with those whom they are like to have com-petitors and concurrents; and to take that course wherein there is most solitude, and themselves like to be most eminent; as Cæsar Julius did, who at first was an orator or pleader; but when he saw the excellency of Cicero, Hortensius, Catulus, and others for eloquence, and saw there was no man of reputation for the wars but Pompeius, upon whom the state was forced to rely, he forsook his course begun towards a civil and popular greatness, and transferred his designs to a martial greatness.

(28) Fourthly, in the choice of their friends and dependents, to proceed according to the composition of their own nature; as we may see in Cæsar, all whose friends and followers were men active and effectual, but not solemn, or of reputation.

(29) Fifthly, to take special heed how they guide themselves by examples, in thinking they can do as they see others do; whereas perhaps their natures and carriages are far differing. In which error it seemeth Pompey was, of whom Cicero saith that he was wont often to say, Sylla potuit, ego non potero? Wherein he was much abused, the natures and proceedings of himself and his example being the unlikest in the world; the one being fierce, violent, and pressing the fact; the other solemn, and full of ma-jesty and circumstance, and therefore the less effectual.

But this precept touching the politic knowledge of ourselves hath many other branches, whereupon we cannot insist.

(30) Next to the well understanding and discerning of a man’s self, there followeth the well opening and revealing a man’s self; wherein we see nothing more usual than for the more able man to make the less show. For there is a great advantage in the well setting forth of a man’s virtues, fortunes, merits; and again, in the artificial covering of a man’s weaknesses, defects, disgraces; staying upon the one, sliding from the other; cherishing the one by circumstances, gracing the other by exposition, and the like. Wherein we see what Tacitus saith of Mutianus, who was the greatest politique of his time, Omnium quæ dixerat feceratque arte quadam ostentator, which requireth indeed some art, lest it turn tedious and arrogant; but yet so, as ostentation (though it be to the first degree of vanity) seemeth to me rather a vice in manners than in policy; for as it is said, Audacter calumniare, semper aliquid hæret; so, except it be in a ridiculous degree of deformity, Audacter te vendita, semper aluquid hæret. For it will stick with the more ignorant and inferior sort of men, though men of wisdom and rank do smile at it and despise it; and yet the authority won with many doth countervail the disdain of a few. But if it be carried with decency and government, as with a natural, pleasant, and ingenious fashion; or at times when it is mixed with some peril and unsafety (as in military persons); or at times when others are most envied; or with easy and careless passage to it and from it, without dwelling too long, or being too serious; or with an equal freedom of taxing a man’s self, as well as gracing himself; or by occasion of repelling or putting down others’ injury or insolency; it doth greatly add to reputation: and surely not a few solid natures, that want this ventosity and cannot sail in the height of the winds, are not without some prejudice and disadvantage by their moderation.

(31) But for these flourishes and enhancements of virtue, as they are not perchance unnecessary, so it is at least necessary that virtue be not disvalued and embased under the just price, which is done in three manners - by offering and obtruding a man’s self, wherein men think he is rewarded when he is accepted; by doing too much, which will not give that which is well done leave to settle, and in the end induceth satiety; and by finding too soon the fruit of a man’s virtue, in commendation, applause, honour, favour; wherein if a man be pleased with a little, let him hear what is truly said: Cave ne insuetus rebus majoribus videaris, si hæc te res parva sicuti magna delectat.

(32) But the covering of defects is of no less importance than the valuing of good parts; which may be done likewise in three manners - by caution, by colour, and by confidence. Caution is when men do ingeniously and discreetly avoid to be put into those things for which they are not proper; whereas contrariwise bold and unquiet spirits will thrust themselves into matters without difference, and so publish and proclaim all their wants. Colour is when men make a way for themselves to have a construction made of their faults or wants, as proceeding from a better cause or in-tended for some other purpose. For of the one it is well said,

“Sæpe latet vitium proximitate boni,”

and therefore whatsoever want a man hath, he must see that he pretend the virtue that shadoweth it; as if he be dull, he must affect gravity; if a coward, mildness; and so the rest. For the second, a man must frame some probable cause why he should not do his best, and why he should dissemble his abilities; and for that purpose must use to dissemble those abilities which are notorious in him, to give colour that his true wants are but industries and dissimulations. For confidence, it is the last but the surest remedy - namely, to depress and seem to despise whatsoever a man cannot attain; observing the good principle of the merchants, who endeavour to raise the price of their own commodities, and to beat down the price of others. But there is a confidence that passeth this other, which is to face out a man’s own defects, in seeming to conceive that he is best in those things wherein he is failing; and, to help that again, to seem on the other side that he hath least opinion of himself in those things wherein he is best: like as we shall see it commonly in poets, that if they show their verses, and you except to any, they will say, “That that line cost them more labour than any of the rest;” and presently will seem to disable and suspect rather some other line, which they know well enough to be the best in the number. But above all, in this righting and helping of a man’s self in his own carriage, he must take heed he show not himself dismantled and exposed to scorn and injury, by too much dulceness, goodness, and facility of nature; but show some sparkles of liberty, spirit, and edge. Which kind of fortified carriage, with a ready rescussing of a man’s self from scorns, is sometimes of necessity imposed upon men by somewhat in their person or fortune; but it ever succeedeth with good felicity.

(33) Another precept of this knowledge is by all possible endeavour to frame the mind to be pliant and obedient to occasion; for nothing hindereth men’s fortunes so much as this: Idem manebat, neque idem decebat - men are where they were, when occasions turn: and therefore to Cato, whom Livy maketh such an architect of fortune, he addeth that he had versatile ingenium. And thereof it cometh that these grave solemn wits, which must be like themselves and cannot make departures, have more dignity than felicity. But in some it is nature to be somewhat vicious and enwrapped, and not easy to turn. In some it is a conceit that is almost a nature, which is, that men can hardly make themselves believe that they ought to change their course, when they have found good by it in former experience. For Machiavel noted wisely how Fabius Maximus would have been temporising still, according to his old bias, when the nature of the war was altered and required hot pursuit. In some other it is want of point and penetration in their judgment, that they do not discern when things have a period, but come in too late after the occasion; as Demosthenes compareth the people of Athens to country fellows, when they play in a fence school, that if they have a blow, then they remove their weapon to that ward, and not before. In some other it is a lothness to lose labours passed, and a conceit that they can bring about occasions to their ply; and yet in the end, when they see no other remedy, then they come to it with disadvantage; as Tarquinius, that gave for the third part of Sibylla’s books the treble price, when he might at first have had all three for the simple. But from whatsoever root or cause this restiveness of mind proceedeth, it is a thing most prejudicial; and nothing is more politic than to make the wheels of our mind concentric and voluble with the wheels of fortune.

(34) Another precept of this knowledge, which hath some affinity with that we last spoke of, but with difference, is that which is well expressed, Fatis accede deisque, that men do not only turn with the occasions, but also run with the occasions, and not strain their credit or strength to over-hard or extreme points; but choose in their actions that which is most passable: for this will preserve men from foil, not occupy them too much about one matter, win opinion of moderation, please the most, and make a show of a perpetual felicity in all they undertake: which cannot but mightily increase reputation.

(35) Another part of this knowledge seemeth to have some repugnancy with the former two, but not as I understand it; and it is that which Demosthenes uttereth in high terms: Et quemadmodum receptum est, ut exercitum ducat imperator, sic et a cordatis viris res ipsæ ducendæ; ut quæipsis videntur, ea gerantur, et non ipsi eventus persequi cogantur. For if we observe we shall find two differing kinds of sufficiency in managing of business: some can make use of occasions aptly and dexterously, but plot little; some can urge and pursue their own plots well, but cannot accommodate nor take in; either of which is very imperfect without the other.

(36) Another part of this knowledge is the observing a good mediocrity in the dec-laring or not declaring a man’s self: for although depth of secrecy, and making way (qualis est via navis in mari, which the French calleth sourdes menées, when men set things in work without opening themselves at all), be sometimes both prosperous and admirable; yet many times dissimulatio errores parit, qui dissimulatorem ipsum illaqueant. And therefore we see the greatest politiques have in a natural and free manner professed their desires, rather than been reserved and disguised in them. For so we see that Lucius Sylla made a kind of profession, “that he wished all men happy or unhappy, as they stood his friends or enemies.” So Cæsar, when he went first into Gaul, made no scruple to profess “that he had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.” So again, as soon as he had begun the war, we see what Cicero saith of him, Alter (meaning of Cæsar) non recusat, sed quodammodo postulat, ut (ut est) sic appelletur tyrannus. So we may see in a letter of Cicero to Atticus, that Augustus Cæsar, in his very entrance into affairs, when he was a darling of the senate, yet in his harangues to the people would swear, Ita parentis honores consequi liceat (which was no less than the tyranny), save that, to help it, he would stretch forth his hand towards a statue of Cæsar’s that was erected in the place: and men laughed and wondered, and said, “Is it possible?” or, “Did you ever hear the like?” and yet thought he meant no hurt; he did it so handsomely and ingenuously. And all these were prosperous: whereas Pompey, who tended to the same ends, but in a more dark and dissembling manner as Tacitus saith of him, Occultior non melior, wherein Sallust concurreth, Ore probo, animo inverecundo, made it his design, by infinite secret engines, to cast the state into an absolute anarchy and confusion, that the state might cast itself into his arms for necessity and protection, and so the sovereign power be put upon him, and he never seen in it: and when he had brought it (as he thought) to that point when he was chosen consul alone, as never any was, yet he could make no great matter of it, because men understood him not; but was fain in the end to go the beaten track of getting arms into his hands, by colour of the doubt of Cæsar’s designs: so tedious, casual, and unfortunate are these deep dissimulations: whereof it seemeth Tacitus made this judgment, that they were a cunning of an inferior form in regard of true policy; attributing the one to Augustus, the other to Tiberius; where, speaking of Livia, he saith, Et cum artibus mariti simulatione filii bene compostia: for surely the continual habit of dissimulation is but a weak and sluggish cunning, and not greatly politic.

(37) Another precept of this architecture of fortune is to accustom our minds to judge of the proportion or value of things, as they conduce and are material to our particular ends; and that to do substantially and not superficially. For we shall find the logical part (as I may term it) of some men’s minds good, but the mathematical part erroneous; that is, they can well judge of consequences, but not of proportions and comparison, preferring things of show and sense before things of substance and effect. So some fall in love with access to princes, others with popular fame and applause, supposing they are things of great purchase, when in many cases they are but matters of envy, peril, and impediment. So some measure things according to the labour and difficulty or assiduity which are spent about them; and think, if they be ever moving, that they must needs advance and proceed; as Cæsar saith in a despising manner of Cato the second, when he describeth how laborious and indefatigable he was to no great purpose, Hæc omnia magno studio agebat. So in most things men are ready to abuse themselves in thinking the greatest means to be best, when it should be the fittest.

(38) As for the true marshalling of men’s pursuits towards their fortune, as they are more or less material, I hold them to stand thus. First the amendment of their own minds. For the removal of the impediments of the mind will sooner clear the passages of fortune than the obtaining fortune will remove the impediments of the mind. In the second place I set down wealth and means; which I know most men would have placed first, because of the general use which it beareth towards all variety of occasions. But that opinion I may condemn with like reason as Machiavel doth that other, that moneys were the sinews of the wars; whereas (saith he) the true sinews of the wars are the sinews of men’s arms, that is, a valiant, populous, and military nation: and he voucheth aptly the authority of Solon, who, when Crœsus showed him his treasury of gold, said to him, that if another came that had better iron, he would be master of his gold. In like manner it may be truly affirmed that it is not moneys that are the sinews of fortune, but it is the sinews and steel of men’s minds, wit, courage, audacity, resolution, temper, industry, and the like. In the third place I set down reputation, because of the peremptory tides and currents it hath; which, if they be not taken in their due time, are seldom recovered, it being extreme hard to play an after-game of reputation. And lastly I place honour, which is more easily won by any of the other three, much more by all, than any of them can be purchased by honour. To conclude this precept, as there is order and priority in matter, so is there in time, the preposterous placing whereof is one of the commonest errors: while men fly to their ends when they should intend their beginnings, and do not take things in order of time as they come on, but marshal them according to greatness and not according to instance; not observing the good precept, Quod nunc instat agamus.

(39) Another precept of this knowledge is not to embrace any matters which do occupy too great a quantity of time, but to have that sounding in a man’s ears, Sed fugit interea fugit irreparabile tempus: and that is the cause why those which take their course of rising by professions of burden, as lawyers, orators, painful divines, and the like, are not commonly so politic for their own fortune, otherwise than in their ordinary way, because they want time to learn particulars, to wait occasions, and to devise plots.

(40) Another precept of this knowledge is to imitate nature, which doth nothing in vain; which surely a man may do if he do well interlace his business, and bend not his mind too much upon that which he principally intendeth. For a man ought in every particular action so to carry the motions of his mind, and so to have one thing under another, as if he cannot have that he seeketh in the best degree, yet to have it in a second, or so in a third; and if he can have no part of that which he purposed, yet to turn the use of it to somewhat else; and if he cannot make anything of it for the present, yet to make it as a seed of somewhat in time to come; and if he can contrive no effect or substance from it, yet to win some good opinion by it, or the like. So that he should exact an account of himself of every action, to reap somewhat, and not to stand amazed and confused if he fail of that he chiefly meant: for nothing is more impolitic than to mind actions wholly one by one. For he that doth so loseth infinite occasions which intervene, and are many times more proper and propitious for somewhat that he shall need afterwards, than for that which he urgeth for the present; and therefore men must be perfect in that rule, Hæc oportet facere, et illa non imittere.

(41) Another precept of this knowledge is, not to engage a man’s self peremptorily in anything, though it seem not liable to accident; but ever to have a window to fly out at, or a way to retire: following the wisdom in the ancient fable of the two frogs, which consulted when their plash was dry whither they should go; and the one moved to go down into a pit, because it was not likely the water would dry there; but the other answered, “True, but if it do, how shall we get out again?”

(42) Another precept of this knowledge is that ancient precept of Bias, construed not to any point of perfidiousness, but to caution and moderation, Et ama tanquam inimicus futurus et odi tanquam amaturus. For it utterly betrayeth all utility for men to embark themselves too far into unfortunate friendships, troublesome spleens, and childish and humorous envies or emulations.

(43) But I continue this beyond the measure of an example; led, because I would not have such knowledges, which I note as deficient, to be thought things imaginative or in the air, or an observation or two much made of, but things of bulk and mass, whe-reof an end is more hardly made than a beginning. It must be likewise conceived, that in these points which I mention and set down, they are far from complete tractates of them, but only as small pieces for patterns. And lastly, no man I suppose will think that I mean fortunes are not obtained without all this ado; for I know they come tumbling into some men’s laps; and a number obtain good fortunes by diligence in a plain way, little intermeddling, and keeping themselves from gross errors.

(44) But as Cicero, when he setteth down an idea of a perfect orator, doth not mean that every pleader should be such; and so likewise, when a prince or a courtier hath been described by such as have handled those subjects, the mould hath used to be made according to the perfection of the art, and not according to common practice: so I understand it, that it ought to be done in the description of a politic man, I mean politic for his own fortune.

(45) But it must be remembered all this while, that the precepts which we have set down are of that kind which may be counted and called Bonæ Artes. As for evil arts, if a man would set down for himself that principle of Machiavel, “That a man seek not to attain virtue itself, but the appearance only thereof; because the credit of virtue is a help, but the use of it is cumber:” or that other of his principles, “That he presuppose that men are not fitly to be wrought otherwise but by fear; and therefore that he seek to have every man obnoxious, low, and in straits,” which the Italians call seminar spine, to sow thorns: or that other principle, contained in the verse which Cicero citeth, Cadant amici, dummodo inimici intercidant, as the triumvirs, which sold every one to other the lives of their friends for the deaths of their enemies: or that other protestation of L. Catilina, to set on fire and trouble states, to the end to fish in droumy waters, and to unwrap their fortunes, Ego si quid in fortunis meis excitatum sit incendium, id non aqua sed ruina restinguam: or that other principle of Lysander, “That children are to be deceived with comfits, and men with oaths:” and the like evil and corrupt positions, whereof (as in all things) there are more in number than of the good: certainly with these dispensations from the laws of charity and integrity, the pressing of a man’s fortune may be more hasty and compendious. But it is in life as it is in ways, the shortest way is commonly the foulest, and surely the fairer way is not much about.

(46) But men, if they be in their own power, and do bear and sustain themselves, and be not carried away with a whirlwind or tempest of ambition, ought in the pursuit of their own fortune to set before their eyes not only that general map of the world, “That all things are vanity and vexation of spirit,” but many other more particular cards and directions: chiefly that, that being without well-being is a curse, and the greater being the greater curse; and that all virtue is most rewarded and all wickedness most punished in itself: according as the poet saith excellently:

“Quæ vobis, quæ digna, viri pro laudibus istis

Præmia posse rear solvi? pulcherrima primum

Dii moresque dabunt vestri.”

And so of the contrary. And secondly they ought to look up to the Eternal Providence and Divine Judgment, which often subverteth the wisdom of evil plots and imaginations, according to that scripture, “He hath conceived mischief, and shall bring forth a vain thing.” And although men should refrain themselves from injury and evil arts, yet this incessant and Sabbathless pursuit of a man’s fortune leaveth not tribute which we owe to God of our time; who (we see) demandeth a tenth of our substance, and a seventh, which is more strict, of our time: and it is to small purpose to have an erected face towards heaven, and a perpetual grovelling spirit upon earth, eating dust as doth the serpent, Atque affigit humo divinæ particulam auræ. And if any man flatter himself that he will employ his fortune well, though he should obtain it ill, as was said concerning Augustus Cæsar, and after of Septimius Severus, “That either they should never have been born, or else they should never have died,” they did so much mischief in the pursuit and ascent of their greatness, and so much good when they were established; yet these compensations and satisfactions are good to be used, but never good to be purposed. And lastly, it is not amiss for men, in their race towards their fortune, to cool themselves a little with that conceit which is elegantly expressed by the Emperor Charles V., in his instructions to the king his son, “That fortune hath somewhat of the nature of a woman, that if she he too much wooed she is the farther off.” But this last is but a remedy for those whose tastes are corrupted: let men rather build upon that foundation which is as a corner-stone of divinity and philosophy, wherein they join close, namely that same Primum quærite. For divinity saith, Primum quærite regnum Dei, et ista omnia adjicientur vobis: and philosophy saith, Primum quærite bona animi; cætera aut aderunt, aut non oberunt. And although the human foundation hath somewhat of the sands, as we see in M. Brutus, when he broke forth into that speech,

“Te colui (Virtus) ut rem; ast tu nomen inane es;”

yet the divine foundation is upon the rock. But this may serve for a taste of that knowledge which I noted as deficient.

(47) Concerning government, it is a part of knowledge secret and retired in both these respects in which things are deemed secret; for some things are secret because they are hard to know, and some because they are not fit to utter. We see all governments are obscure and invisible:

“Totamque infusa per artus

Mens agitat molem, et magno se corpore miscet.”

Such is the description of governments. We see the government of God over the world is hidden, insomuch as it seemeth to participate of much irregularity and con-fusion. The government of the soul in moving the body is inward and profound, and the passages thereof hardly to be reduced to demonstration. Again, the wisdom of antiquity (the shadows whereof are in the poets) in the description of torments and pains, next unto the crime of rebellion, which was the giants’ offence, doth detest the offence of futility, as in Sisyphus and Tantalus. But this was meant of particulars: nevertheless even unto the general rules and discourses of policy and government there is due a reverent and reserved handling.

(48) But contrariwise in the governors towards the governed, all things ought as far as the frailty of man permitteth to be manifest and revealed. For so it is expressed in the Scriptures touching the government of God, that this globe, which seemeth to us a dark and shady body, is in the view of God as crystal: Et in conspectu sedis tanquam mare vitreum simile crystallo. So unto princes and states, and specially towards wise senates and councils, the natures and dispositions of the people, their conditions and necessities, their factions and combinations, their animosities and discontents, ought to be, in regard of the variety of their intelligences, the wisdom of their observations, and the height of their station where they keep sentinel, in great part clear and transparent. Wherefore, considering that I write to a king that is a master of this science, and is so well assisted, I think it decent to pass over this part in silence, as willing to obtain the certificate which one of the ancient philosophers aspired unto; who being silent, when others contended to make demonstration of their abilities by speech, desired it might be certified for his part, “That there was one that knew how to hold his peace.”

(49) Notwithstanding, for the more public part of government, which is laws, I think good to note only one deficiency; which is, that all those which have written of laws have written either as philosophers or as lawyers, and none as statesmen. As for the philosophers, they make imaginary laws for imaginary commonwealths, and their dis-courses are as the stars, which give little light because they are so high. For the lawyers, they write according to the states where they live what is received law, and not what ought to be law; for the wisdom of a law-maker is one, and of a lawyer is another. For there are in nature certain fountains of justice whence all civil laws are derived but as streams; and like as waters do take tinctures and tastes from the soils through which they run, so do civil laws vary according to the regions and governments where they are planted, though they proceed from the same fountains. Again, the wisdom of a law-maker consisteth not only in a platform of justice, but in the application thereof; taking into consideration by what means laws may be made certain, and what are the causes and remedies of the doubtfulness and uncertainty of law; by what means laws may be made apt and easy to be executed, and what are the impediments and remedies in the execution of laws; what influence laws touching private right of meum and tuum have into the public state, and how they may be made apt and agreeable; how laws are to be penned and delivered, whether in texts or in Acts, brief or large, with preambles or without; how they are to be pruned and reformed from time to time, and what is the best means to keep them from being too vast in volume, or too full of multiplicity and crossness; how they are to be expounded, when upon causes emergent and judicially discussed, and when upon responses and conferences touching general points or questions; how they are to be pressed, rigorously or tenderly; how they are to be mitigated by equity and good conscience, and whether discretion and strict law are to be mingled in the same courts, or kept apart in several courts; again, how the practice, profession, and erudition of law is to be censured and governed; and many other points touching the administration and (as I may term it) animation of laws. Upon which I insist the less, because I purpose (if God give me leave), having begun a work of this nature in aphorisms, to propound it hereafter, noting it in the meantime for deficient.

(50) And for your Majesty’s laws of England, I could say much of their dignity, and somewhat of their defect; but they cannot but excel the civil laws in fitness for the government, for the civil law was nonhos quæsitum munus in usus; it was not made for the countries which it governeth. Hereof I cease to speak because I will not in-termingle matter of action with matter of general learning.

XXIV. 

Thus have I concluded this portion of learning touching civil knowledge; and with civil knowledge have concluded human philosophy; and with human philosophy, phi-losophy in general. And being now at some pause, looking back into that I have passed through, this writing seemeth to me (si nunquam fallit imago), as far as a man can judge of his own work, not much better than that noise or sound which musicians make while they are in tuning their instruments, which is nothing pleasant to hear, but yet is a cause why the music is sweeter afterwards. So have I been content to tune the instruments of the Muses, that they may play that have better hands. And surely, when I set before me the condition of these times, in which learning hath made her third visitation or circuit in all the qualities thereof; as the excellency and vivacity of the wits of this age; the noble helps and lights which we have by the travails of ancient writers; the art of printing, which communicateth books to men of all fortunes; the openness of the world by navigation, which hath disclosed multitudes of experiments, and a mass of natural history; the leisure wherewith these times abound, not employing men so generally in civil business, as the states of Græcia did, in respect of their popularity, and the state of Rome, in respect of the greatness of their monarchy; the present disposition of these times at this instant to peace; the consumption of all that ever can be said in controversies of religion, which have so much diverted men from other sciences; the perfection of your Majesty’s learning, which as a phœnix may call whole volleys of wits to follow you; and the inseparable propriety of time, which is ever more and more to disclose truth; I cannot but be raised to this persuasion, that this third period of time will far surpass that of the Grecian and Roman learning; only if men will know their own strength and their own weakness both; and take, one from the other, light of invention, and not fire of contradiction; and esteem of the inquisition of truth as of an enterprise, and not as of a quality or ornament; and employ wit and magnificence to things of worth and excellency, and not to things vulgar and of popular estimation. As for my labours, if any man shall please himself or others in the reprehension of them, they shall make that ancient and patient request, Verbera, sed audi: let men reprehend them, so they observe and weigh them. For the appeal is lawful (though it may be it shall not be needful) from the first cogitations of men to their second, and from the nearer times to the times further off. Now let us come to that learning, which both the former times were not so blessed as to know, sacred and inspired divinity, the Sabbath and port of all men’s labours and peregrinations.

XXV. 

(1) The prerogative of God extendeth as well to the reason as to the will of man: so that as we are to obey His law, though we find a reluctation in our will, so we are to believe His word, though we find a reluctation in our reason. For if we believe only that which is agreeable to our sense we give consent to the matter, and not to the au-thor; which is no more than we would do towards a suspected and discredited witness; but that faith which was accounted to Abraham for righteousness was of such a point as whereat Sarah laughed, who therein was an image of natural reason.

(2) Howbeit (if we will truly consider of it) more worthy it is to believe than to know as we now know. For in knowledge man’s mind suffereth from sense: but in belief it suffereth from spirit, such one as it holdeth for more authorised than itself and so suffereth from the worthier agent. Otherwise it is of the state of man glorified; for then faith shall cease, and we shall know as we are known.

(3) Wherefore we conclude that sacred theology (which in our idiom we call divinity) is grounded only upon the word and oracle of God, and not upon the light of nature: for it is written, Cæli enarrant gloriam Dei; but it is not written, Cæli enarrant voluntatem Dei: but of that it is said, Ad legem et testimonium: si non fecerint se-cundum verbum istud, &amp;c. This holdeth not only in those points of faith which con-cern the great mysteries of the Deity, of the creation, of the redemption, but likewise those which concern the law moral, truly interpreted: “Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you; be like to your heavenly Father, that suffereth His rain to fall upon the just and unjust.” To this it ought to be applauded, Nec vox hominem sonat: it is a voice beyond the light of nature. So we see the heathen poets, when they fall upon a libertine passion, do still expostulate with laws and moralities, as if they were opposite and malignant to nature: Et quod natura remittit, invida jura negant. So said Dendamis the Indian unto Alexander’s messengers, that he had heard somewhat of Pythagoras, and some other of the wise men of Græcia, and that he held them for excellent men: but that they had a fault, which was that they had in too great reverence and veneration a thing they called law and manners. So it must be confessed that a great part of the law moral is of that perfection whereunto the light of nature cannot aspire: how then is it that man is said to have, by the light and law of nature, some notions and conceits of virtue and vice, justice and wrong, good and evil? Thus, because the light of nature is used in two several senses: the one, that which springeth from reason, sense, induction, argument, according to the laws of heaven and earth; the other, that which is imprinted upon the spirit of man by an inward instinct, according to the law of conscience, which is a sparkle of the purity of his first estate: in which latter sense only he is participant of some light and discerning touching the perfection of the moral law; but how? sufficient to check the vice but not to inform the duty. So then the doctrine of religion, as well moral as mystical, is not to be attained but by inspiration and revelation from God.

(4) The use notwithstanding of reason in spiritual things, and the latitude thereof, is very great and general: for it is not for nothing that the apostle calleth religion “our reasonable service of God;” insomuch as the very ceremonies and figures of the old law were full of reason and signification, much more than the ceremonies of idolatry and magic, that are full of non-significants and surd characters. But most specially the Christian faith, as in all things so in this, deserveth to be highly magnified; holding and preserving the golden mediocrity in this point between the law of the heathen and the law of Mahomet, which have embraced the two extremes. For the religion of the heathen had no constant belief or confession, but left all to the liberty of agent; and the religion of Mahomet on the other side interdicteth argument altogether: the one having the very face of error, and the other of imposture; whereas the Faith doth both admit and reject disputation with difference.

(5) The use of human reason in religion is of two sorts: the former, in the conception and apprehension of the mysteries of God to us revealed; the other, in the inferring and deriving of doctrine and direction thereupon. The former extendeth to the mysteries themselves; but how? by way of illustration, and not by way of argument. The latter consisteth indeed of probation and argument. In the former we see God vouchsafeth to descend to our capacity, in the expressing of His mysteries in sort as may be sensible unto us; and doth graft His revelations and holy doctrine upon the notions of our reason, and applieth His inspirations to open our understanding, as the form of the key to the ward of the lock. For the latter there is allowed us a use of reason and argument, secondary and respective, although not original and absolute. For after the articles and principles of religion are placed and exempted from examination of reason, it is then permitted unto us to make derivations and inferences from and according to the analogy of them, for our better direction. In nature this holdeth not; for both the principles are examinable by induction, though not by a medium or syllogism; and besides, those principles or first positions have no discordance with that reason which draweth down and deduceth the inferior positions. But yet it holdeth not in religion alone, but in many knowledges, both of greater and smaller nature, namely, wherein there are not only posita but placita; for in such there can be no use of absolute reason. We see it familiarly in games of wit, as chess, or the like. The draughts and first laws of the game are positive, but how? merely ad placitum, and not examinable by reason; but then how to direct our play thereupon with best advantage to win the game is artificial and rational. So in human laws there be many grounds and maxims which are placita juris, positive upon authority, and not upon reason, and therefore not to be disputed: but what is most just, not absolutely but relatively, and according to those maxims, that affordeth a long field of disputation. Such therefore is that secondary reason, which hath place in divinity, which is grounded upon the placets of God.

(6) Here therefore I note this deficiency, that there hath not been, to my understanding, sufficiently inquired and handled the true limits and use of reason in spiritual things, as a kind of divine dialectic: which for that it is not done, it seemeth to me a thing usual, by pretext of true conceiving that which is revealed, to search and mine into that which is not revealed; and by pretext of enucleating inferences and contradictories, to examine that which is positive. The one sort falling into the error of Nicodemus, demanding to have things made more sensible than it pleaseth God to reveal them, Quomodo possit homo nasci cum sit senex? The other sort into the error of the disciples, which were scandalised at a show of contradiction, Quid est hoc quod dicit nobis? Modicum et non videbitis me; et iterum, modicum, et videbitis me, &amp;c.

(7) Upon this I have insisted the more, in regard of the great and blessed use thereof; for this point well laboured and defined of would in my judgment be an opiate to stay and bridle not only the vanity of curious speculations, wherewith the schools labour, but the fury of controversies, wherewith the Church laboureth. For it cannot but open men’s eyes to see that many controversies do merely pertain to that which is either not revealed or positive; and that many others do grow upon weak and obscure inferences or derivations: which latter sort, if men would revive the blessed style of that great doctor of the Gentiles, would be carried thus, ego, non dominus; and again, secundum consilium meum, in opinions and counsels, and not in positions and oppositions. But men are now over-ready to usurp the style, non ego, sed dominus; and not so only, but to bind it with the thunder and denunciation of curses and anathemas, to the terror of those which have not sufficiently learned out of Solomon that “The causeless curse shall not come.”

(8) Divinity hath two principal parts: the matter informed or revealed, and the nature of the information or revelation; and with the latter we will begin, because it hath most coherence with that which we have now last handled. The nature of the information consisteth of three branches: the limits of the information, the sufficiency of the information, and the acquiring or obtaining the information. Unto the limits of the information belong these considerations: how far forth particular persons continue to be inspired; how far forth the Church is inspired; and how far forth reason may be used; the last point whereof I have noted as deficient. Unto the sufficiency of the information belong two considerations: what points of religion are fundamental, and what perfective, being matter of further building and perfection upon one and the same foundation; and again, how the gradations of light according to the dispensation of times are material to the sufficiency of belief.

(9) Here again I may rather give it in advice than note it as deficient, that the points fundamental, and the points of further perfection only, ought to be with piety and wisdom distinguished; a subject tending to much like end as that I noted before; for as that other were likely to abate the number of controversies, so this is likely to abate the heat of many of them. We see Moses when he saw the Israelite and the Egyptian fight, he did not say, “Why strive you?” but drew his sword and slew the Egyptian; but when he saw the two Israelites fight, he said, “You are brethren, why strive you?” If the point of doctrine be an Egyptian, it must be slain by the sword of the Spirit, and not reconciled; but if it be an Israelite, though in the wrong, then, “Why strive you?” We see of the fundamental points, our Saviour penneth the league thus, “He that is not with us is against us;” but of points not fundamental, thus, “He that is not against us is with us.” So we see the coat of our Saviour was entire without seam, and so is the doctrine of the Scriptures in itself; but the garment of the Church was of divers colours and yet not divided. We see the chaff may and ought to be severed from the corn in the ear, but the tares may not be pulled up from the corn in the field. So as it is a thing of great use well to define what, and of what latitude, those points are which do make men mere aliens and disincorporate from the Church of God.

(10) For the obtaining of the information, it resteth upon the true and sound inter-pretation of the Scriptures, which are the fountains of the water of life. The inter-pretations of the Scriptures are of two sorts: methodical, and solute or at large. For this divine water, which excelleth so much that of Jacob’s well, is drawn forth much in the same kind as natural water useth to be out of wells and fountains; either it is first forced up into a cistern, and from thence fetched and derived for use; or else it is drawn and received in buckets and vessels immediately where it springeth. The former sort whereof, though it seem to be the more ready, yet in my judgment is more subject to corrupt. This is that method which hath exhibited unto us the scholastical divinity; whereby divinity hath been reduced into an art, as into a cistern, and the streams of doctrine or positions fetched and derived from thence.

(11) In this men have sought three things, a summary brevity, a compacted strength, and a complete perfection; whereof the two first they fail to find, and the last they ought not to seek. For as to brevity, we see in all summary methods, while men pur-pose to abridge, they give cause to dilate. For the sum or abridgment by contraction becometh obscure; the obscurity requireth exposition, and the exposition is deduced into large commentaries, or into commonplaces and titles, which grow to be more vast than the original writings, whence the sum was at first extracted. So we see the volumes of the schoolmen are greater much than the first writings of the fathers, whence the master of the sentences made his sum or collection. So in like manner the volumes of the modern doctors of the civil law exceed those of the ancient jurisconsults, of which Tribonian compiled the digest. So as this course of sums and commentaries is that which doth infallibly make the body of sciences more immense in quantity, and more base in substance.

(12) And for strength, it is true that knowledges reduced into exact methods have a show of strength, in that each part seemeth to support and sustain the other; but this is more satisfactory than substantial, like unto buildings which stand by architecture and compaction, which are more subject to ruin than those that are built more strong in their several parts, though less compacted. But it is plain that the more you recede from your grounds, the weaker do you conclude; and as in nature, the more you re-move yourself from particulars, the greater peril of error you do incur; so much more in divinity, the more you recede from the Scriptures by inferences and consequences, the more weak and dilute are your positions.

(13) And as for perfection or completeness in divinity, it is not to be sought, which makes this course of artificial divinity the more suspect. For he that will reduce a knowledge into an art will make it round and uniform; but in divinity many things must be left abrupt, and concluded with this: O altitudo sapientiæ et scientiæ Dei! quam incomprehensibilia sunt juducua ejus, et non investigabiles viæ ejus. So again the apostle saith, Ex parte scimus: and to have the form of a total, where there is but matter for a part, cannot be without supplies by supposition and presumption. And therefore I conclude that the true use of these sums and methods hath place in insti-tutions or introductions preparatory unto knowledge; but in them, or by deducement from them, to handle the main body and substance of a knowledge is in all sciences prejudicial, and in divinity dangerous.

(14) As to the interpretation of the Scriptures solute and at large, there have been divers kinds introduced and devised; some of them rather curious and unsafe than sober and warranted. Notwithstanding, thus much must be confessed, that the Scriptures, being given by inspiration and not by human reason, do differ from all other books in the Author, which by consequence doth draw on some difference to be used by the expositor. For the Inditer of them did know four things which no man attains to know; which are - the mysteries of the kingdom of glory, the perfection of the laws of nature, the secrets of the heart of man, and the future succession of all ages. For as to the first it is said, “He that presseth into the light shall be oppressed of the glory.” And again, “No man shall see My face and live.” To the second, “When He prepared the heavens I was present, when by law and compass He enclosed the deep.” To the third, “Neither was it needful that any should bear witness to Him of man, for He knew well what was in man.” And to the last, “From the beginning are known to the Lord all His works.”

(15) From the former two of these have been drawn certain senses and expositions of Scriptures, which had need be contained within the bounds of sobriety - the one anagogical, and the other philosophical. But as to the former, man is not to prevent his time: Videmus nunc per speculum in ænigmate, tunc autem facie ad faciem; wherein nevertheless there seemeth to be a liberty granted, as far forth as the polishing of this glass, or some moderate explication of this enigma. But to press too far into it cannot but cause a dissolution and overthrow of the spirit of man. For in the body there are three degrees of that we receive into it - aliment, medicine, and poison; whereof aliment is that which the nature of man can perfectly alter and overcome; medicine is that which is partly converted by nature, and partly converteth nature; and poison is that which worketh wholly upon nature, without that nature can in any part work upon it. So in the mind, whatsoever knowledge reason cannot at all work upon and convert is a mere intoxication, and endangereth a dissolution of the mind and understanding.

(16) But for the latter, it hath been extremely set on foot of late time by the school of Paracelsus, and some others, that have pretended to find the truth of all natural philosophy in the Scriptures; scandalising and traducing all other philosophy as hea-thenish and profane. But there is no such enmity between God’s Word and His works; neither do they give honour to the Scriptures, as they suppose, but much embase them. For to seek heaven and earth in the Word of God, whereof it is said, “Heaven and earth shall pass, but My word shall not pass,” is to seek temporary things amongst eternal: and as to seek divinity in philosophy is to seek the living amongst the dead, so to seek philosophy in divinity is to seek the dead amongst the living: neither are the pots or lavers, whose place was in the outward part of the temple, to be sought in the holiest place of all where the ark of the testimony was seated. And again, the scope or purpose of the Spirit of God is not to express matters of nature in the Scriptures, otherwise than in passage, and for application to man’s capacity and to matters moral or divine. And it is a true rule, Auctoris aliud agentis parva auctoritas. For it were a strange conclusion, if a man should use a similitude for ornament or illustration sake, borrowed from nature or history according to vulgar conceit, as of a basilisk, a unicorn, a centaur, a Briareus, a hydra, or the like, that therefore he must needs be thought to affirm the matter thereof positively to be true. To conclude therefore these two interpretations, the one by reduction or enigmatical, the other philosophical or physical, which have been received and pursued in imitation of the rabbins and cabalists, are to be confined with a a noli akryn sapere, sed time.

(17) But the two latter points, known to God and unknown to man, touching the se-crets of the heart and the successions of time, doth make a just and sound difference between the manner of the exposition of the Scriptures and all other books. For it is an excellent observation which hath been made upon the answers of our Saviour Christ to many of the questions which were propounded to Him, how that they are impertinent to the state of the question demanded: the reason whereof is, because not being like man, which knows man’s thoughts by his words, but knowing man’s thoughts immediately, He never answered their words, but their thoughts. Much in the like manner it is with the Scriptures, which being written to the thoughts of men, and to the succession of all ages, with a foresight of all heresies, contradictions, differing estates of the Church, yea, and particularly of the elect, are not to be interpreted only according to the latitude of the proper sense of the place, and respectively towards that present occasion whereupon the words were uttered, or in precise congruity or contexture with the words before or after, or in contemplation of the principal scope of the place; but have in themselves, not only totally or collectively, but distributively in clauses and words, infinite springs and streams of doctrine to water the Church in every part. And therefore as the literal sense is, as it were, the main stream or river, so the moral sense chiefly, and sometimes the allegorical or typical, are they whereof the Church hath most use; not that I wish men to be bold in allegories, or indulgent or light in allusions: but that I do much condemn that interpretation of the Scripture which is only after the manner as men use to interpret a profane book.

(18) In this part touching the exposition of the Scriptures, I can report no deficiency; but by way of remembrance this I will add. In perusing books of divinity I find many books of controversies, and many of commonplaces and treatises, a mass of positive divinity, as it is made an art: a number of sermons and lectures, and many prolix commentaries upon the Scriptures, with harmonies and concordances. But that form of writing in divinity which in my judgment is of all others most rich and precious is positive divinity, collected upon particular texts of Scriptures in brief observations; not dilated into commonplaces, not chasing after controversies, not reduced into method of art; a thing abounding in sermons, which will vanish, but defective in books which will remain, and a thing wherein this age excelleth. For I am persuaded, and I may speak it with an absit invidia verbo, and nowise in derogation of antiquity, but as in a good emulation between the vine and the olive, that if the choice and best of those observations upon texts of Scriptures which have been made dispersedly in sermons within this your Majesty’s Island of Brittany by the space of these forty years and more (leaving out the largeness of exhortations and applications thereupon) had been set down in a continuance, it had been the best work in divinity which had been written since the Apostles’ times.

(19) The matter informed by divinity is of two kinds: matter of belief and truth of opinion, and matter of service and adoration; which is also judged and directed by the former - the one being as the internal soul of religion, and the other as the external body thereof. And, therefore, the heathen religion was not only a worship of idols, but the whole religion was an idol in itself; for it had no soul; that is, no certainty of belief or confession: as a man may well think, considering the chief doctors of their church were the poets; and the reason was because the heathen gods were no jealous gods, but were glad to be admitted into part, as they had reason. Neither did they respect the pureness of heart, so they might have external honour and rites.

(20) But out of these two do result and issue four main branches of divinity: faith, manners, liturgy, and government. Faith containeth the doctrine of the nature of God, of the attributes of God, and of the works of God. The nature of God consisteth of three persons in unity of Godhead. The attributes of God are either common to the Deity, or respective to the persons. The works of God summary are two, that of the creation and that of the redemption; and both these works, as in total they appertain to the unity of the Godhead, so in their parts they refer to the three persons: that of the creation, in the mass of the matter, to the Father; in the disposition of the form, to the Son; and in the continuance and conservation of the being, to the Holy Spirit. So that of the redemption, in the election and counsel, to the Father; in the whole act and consummation, to the Son; and in the application, to the Holy Spirit; for by the Holy Ghost was Christ conceived in flesh, and by the Holy Ghost are the elect regenerate in spirit. This work likewise we consider either effectually, in the elect; or privately, in the reprobate; or according to appearance, in the visible Church.

(21) For manners, the doctrine thereof is contained in the law, which discloseth sin. The law itself is divided, according to the edition thereof, into the law of nature, the law moral, and the law positive; and according to the style, into negative and affirma-tive, prohibitions and commandments. Sin, in the matter and subject thereof, is di-vided according to the commandments; in the form thereof it referreth to the three persons in Deity: sins of infirmity against the Father, whose more special attribute is power; sins of ignorance against the Son, whose attribute is wisdom; and sins of ma-lice against the Holy Ghost, whose attribute is grace or love. In the motions of it, it either moveth to the right hand or to the left; either to blind devotion or to profane and libertine transgression; either in imposing restraint where God granteth liberty, or in taking liberty where God imposeth restraint. In the degrees and progress of it, it divideth itself into thought, word, or act. And in this part I commend much the deducing of the law of God to cases of conscience; for that I take indeed to be a breaking, and not exhibiting whole of the bread of life. But that which quickeneth both these doctrines of faith and manners is the elevation and consent of the heart; whereunto appertain books of exhortation, holy meditation, Christian resolution, and the like.

(22) For the liturgy or service, it consisteth of the reciprocal acts between God and man; which, on the part of God, are the preaching of the word, and the sacraments, which are seals to the covenant, or as the visible word; and on the part of man, invocation of the name of God; and under the law, sacrifices; which were as visible prayers or confessions: but now the adoration being in spiritu et veritate, there remaineth only vituli labiorum; although the use of holy vows of thankfulness and retribution may be accounted also as sealed petitions.

(23) And for the government of the Church, it consisteth of the patrimony of the Church, the franchises of the Church, and the offices and jurisdictions of the Church, and the laws of the Church directing the whole; all which have two considerations, the one in themselves, the other how they stand compatible and agreeable to the civil estate.

(24) This matter of divinity is handled either in form of instruction of truth, or in form of confutation of falsehood. The declinations from religion, besides the priva-tive, which is atheism and the branches thereof, are three - heresies, idolatry, and witchcraft: heresies, when we serve the true God with a false worship; idolatry, when we worship false gods, supposing them to be true; and witchcraft, when we adore false gods, knowing them to be wicked and false. For so your Majesty doth excellently well observe, that witchcraft is the height of idolatry. And yet we see though these be true degrees, Samuel teacheth us that they are all of a nature, when there is once a receding from the Word of God; for so he saith, Quasi peccatum ariolandi est repugnare, et quasi scelus idololatriæ nolle acquiescere.

(25) These things I have passed over so briefly because I can report no deficiency concerning them: for I can find no space or ground that lieth vacant and unsown in the matter of divinity, so diligent have men been either in sowing of good seed, or in sowing of tares.

Thus have I made as it were a small globe of the intellectual world, as truly and faith-fully as I could discover; with a note and description of those parts which seem to me not constantly occupate, or not well converted by the labour of man. In which, if I have in any point receded from that which is commonly received, it hath been with a purpose of proceeding in melius, and not in aliud; a mind of amendment and pro-ficiency, and not of change and difference. For I could not be true and constant to the argument I handle if I were not willing to go beyond others; but yet not more willing than to have others go beyond me again: which may the better appear by this, that I have propounded my opinions naked and unarmed, not seeking to preoccupate the liberty of men’s judgments by confutations. For in anything which is well set down, I am in good hope that if the first reading move an objection, the second reading will make an answer. And in those things wherein I have erred, I am sure I have not prejudiced the right by litigious arguments; which certainly have this contrary effect and operation, that they add authority to error, and destroy the authority of that which is well invented. For question is an honour and preferment to falsehood, as on the other side it is a repulse to truth. But the errors I claim and challenge to myself as mine own. The good, it any be, is due tanquam adeps sacrificii, to be incensed to the honour, first of the Divine Majesty, and next of your Majesty, to whom on earth I am most bounden.</text>
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===THE FIRST BOOK===
TO THE KING.

There were under the law, excellent King, both daily sacrifices and freewill offerings; the one proceeding upon ordinary observance, the other upon a devout cheerfulness: in like manner there belongeth to kings from their servants both tribute of duty and presents of affection. In the former of these I hope I shall not live to be wanting, according to my most humble duty and the good pleasure of your Majesty’s em-ployments: for the latter, I thought it more respective to make choice of some oblation which might rather refer to the propriety and excellency of your individual person, than to the business of your crown and state.

Wherefore, representing your Majesty many times unto my mind, and beholding you not with the inquisitive eye of presumption, to discover that which the Scripture telleth me is inscrutable, but with the observant eye of duty and admiration, leaving aside the other parts of your virtue and fortune, I have been touched - yea, and possessed - with an extreme wonder at those your virtues and faculties, which the philosophers call intellectual; the largeness of your capacity, the faithfulness of your memory, the swiftness of your apprehension, the penetration of your judgment, and the facility and order of your elocution: and I have often thought that of all the persons living that I have known, your Majesty were the best instance to make a man of Plato’s opinion, that all knowledge is but remembrance, and that the mind of man by Nature knoweth all things, and hath but her own native and original notions (which by the strangeness and darkness of this tabernacle of the body are sequestered) again revived and restored: such a light of Nature I have observed in your Majesty, and such a readiness to take flame and blaze from the least occasion presented, or the least spark of another’s knowledge delivered. And as the Scripture saith of the wisest king, “That his heart was as the sands of the sea;” which, though it be one of the largest bodies, yet it consisteth of the smallest and finest portions; so hath God given your Majesty a composition of understanding admirable, being able to compass and comprehend the greatest matters, and nevertheless to touch and apprehend the least; whereas it should seem an impossibility in Nature for the same instrument to make itself fit for great and small works. And for your gift of speech, I call to mind what Cornelius Tacitus saith of Augustus Cæsar: Augusto profluens, et quæ principem deceret, eloquentia fuit. For if we note it well, speech that is uttered with labour and difficulty, or speech that savoureth of the affectation of art and precepts, or speech that is framed after the imitation of some pattern of eloquence, though never so excellent; all this hath somewhat servile, and holding of the subject. But your Majesty’s manner of speech is, indeed, prince-like, flowing as from a fountain, and yet streaming and branching itself into Nature’s order, full of facility and felicity, imitating none, and inimitable by any. And as in your civil estate there appeareth to be an emulation and contention of your Majesty’s virtue with your fortune; a virtuous disposition with a fortunate regiment; a virtuous expectation (when time was) of your greater fortune, with a prosperous possession thereof in the due time; a virtuous observation of the laws of marriage, with most blessed and happy fruit of marriage; a virtuous and most Christian desire of peace, with a fortunate inclination in your neighbour princes thereunto: so likewise in these intellectual matters there seemeth to be no less contention between the excellency of your Majesty’s gifts of Nature and the universality and perfection of your learning. For I am well assured that this which I shall say is no amplification at all, but a positive and measured truth; which is, that there hath not been since Christ’s time any king or temporal monarch which hath been so learned in all literature and erudition, divine and human. For let a man seriously and diligently revolve and peruse the succession of the Emperors of Rome, of which Cæsar the Dictator (who lived some years before Christ) and Marcus Antoninus were the best learned, and so descend to the Emperors of Græcia, or of the West, and then to the lines of France, Spain, England, Scotland, and the rest, and he shall find this judgment is truly made. For it seemeth much in a king if, by the compendious extractions of other men’s wits and labours, he can take hold of any superficial ornaments and shows of learning, or if he countenance and prefer learning and learned men; but to drink, indeed, of the true fountains of learning - nay, to have such a fountain of learning in himself, in a king, and in a king born - is almost a miracle. And the more, because there is met in your Majesty a rare conjunction, as well of divine and sacred literature as of profane and human; so as your Majesty standeth invested of that triplicity, which in great veneration was ascribed to the ancient Hermes: the power and fortune of a king, the knowledge and illumination of a priest, and the learning and universality of a philosopher. This propriety inherent and individual attribute in your Majesty deserveth to be expressed not only in the fame and admiration of the present time, nor in the history or tradition of the ages succeeding, but also in some solid work, fixed memorial, and immortal monument, bearing a character or signature both of the power of a king and the difference and perfection of such a king.

Therefore I did conclude with myself that I could not make unto your Majesty a better oblation than of some treatise tending to that end, whereof the sum will consist of these two parts: the former concerning the excellency of learning and knowledge, and the excellency of the merit and true glory in the augmentation and propagation thereof; the latter, what the particular acts and works are which have been embraced and undertaken for the advancement of learning; and again, what defects and undervalues I find in such particular acts: to the end that though I cannot positively or affirmatively advise your Majesty, or propound unto you framed particulars, yet I may excite your princely cogitations to visit the excellent treasure of your own mind, and thence to extract particulars for this purpose agreeable to your magnanimity and wisdom.

I.

(1) In the entrance to the former of these - to clear the way and, as it were, to make silence, to have the true testimonies concerning the dignity of learning to be better heard, without the interruption of tacit objections - I think good to deliver it from the discredits and disgraces which it hath received, all from ignorance, but ignorance severally disguised; appearing sometimes in the zeal and jealousy of divines, some-times in the severity and arrogancy of politics, and sometimes in the errors and im-perfections of learned men themselves.

(2) I hear the former sort say that knowledge is of those things which are to be accepted of with great limitation and caution; that the aspiring to overmuch knowledge was the original temptation and sin whereupon ensued the fall of man; that knowledge hath in it somewhat of the serpent, and, therefore, where it entereth into a man it makes him swell; Scientia inflat; that Solomon gives a censure, “That there is no end of making books, and that much reading is weariness of the flesh;” and again in another place, “That in spacious knowledge there is much contristation, and that he that increaseth knowledge increaseth anxiety;” that Saint Paul gives a caveat, “That we be not spoiled through vain philosophy;” that experience demonstrates how learned men have been arch-heretics, how learned times have been inclined to atheism, and how the contemplation of second causes doth derogate from our dependence upon God, who is the first cause.

(3) To discover, then, the ignorance and error of this opinion, and the misunders-tanding in the grounds thereof, it may well appear these men do not observe or con-sider that it was not the pure knowledge of Nature and universality, a knowledge by the light whereof man did give names unto other creatures in Paradise as they were brought before him according unto their proprieties, which gave the occasion to the fall; but it was the proud knowledge of good and evil, with an intent in man to give law unto himself, and to depend no more upon God’s commandments, which was the form of the temptation. Neither is it any quantity of knowledge, how great soever, that can make the mind of man to swell; for nothing can fill, much less extend the soul of man, but God and the contemplation of God; and, therefore, Solomon, speaking of the two principal senses of inquisition, the eye and the ear, affirmeth that the eye is never satisfied with seeing, nor the ear with hearing; and if there be no fulness, then is the continent greater than the content: so of knowledge itself and the mind of man, whereto the senses are but reporters, he defineth likewise in these words, placed after that calendar or ephemerides which he maketh of the diversities of times and seasons for all actions and purposes, and concludeth thus: “God hath made all things beautiful, or decent, in the true return of their seasons. Also He hath placed the world in man’s heart, yet cannot man find out the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end” - declaring not obscurely that God hath framed the mind of man as a mirror or glass, capable of the image of the universal world, and joyful to receive the impression thereof, as the eye joyeth to receive light; and not only delighted in beholding the variety of things and vicissitude of times, but raised also to find out and discern the ordinances and decrees which throughout all those changes are infallibly observed. And although he doth insinuate that the supreme or summary law of Nature (which he calleth “the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end”) is not possible to be found out by man, yet that doth not derogate from the capacity of the mind; but may be referred to the impediments, as of shortness of life, ill conjunction of labours, ill tradition of knowledge over from hand to hand, and many other inconveniences, whereunto the condition of man is subject. For that nothing parcel of the world is denied to man’s inquiry and invention, he doth in another place rule over, when he saith, “The spirit of man is as the lamp of God, wherewith He searcheth the inwardness of all secrets.” If, then, such be the capacity and receipt of the mind of man, it is manifest that there is no danger at all in the proportion or quantity of knowledge, how large soever, lest it should make it swell or out-compass itself; no, but it is merely the quality of knowledge, which, be it in quantity more or less, if it be taken without the true corrective thereof, hath in it some nature of venom or malignity, and some effects of that venom, which is ventosity or swelling. This corrective spice, the mixture whereof maketh knowledge so sovereign, is charity, which the Apostle immediately addeth to the former clause; for so he saith, “Knowledge bloweth up, but charity buildeth up;” not unlike unto that which he deilvereth in another place: “If I spake,” saith he, “with the tongues of men and angels, and had not charity, it were but as a tinkling cymbal.” Not but that it is an excellent thing to speak with the tongues of men and angels, but because, if it be severed from charity, and not referred to the good of men and mankind, it hath rather a sounding and unworthy glory than a meriting and substantial virtue. And as for that censure of Solomon concerning the excess of writing and reading books, and the anxiety of spirit which redoundeth from knowledge, and that admonition of St. Paul, “That we be not seduced by vain philosophy,” let those places be rightly understood; and they do, indeed, excellently set forth the true bounds and limitations whereby human knowledge is confined and circumscribed, and yet without any such contracting or coarctation, but that it may comprehend all the universal nature of things; for these limitations are three: the first, “That we do not so place our felicity in knowledge, as we forget our mortality;” the second, “That we make application of our knowledge, to give ourselves repose and contentment, and not distaste or repining;” the third, “That we do not presume by the contemplation of Nature to attain to the mysteries of God.” For as touching the first of these, Solomon doth excellently expound himself in another place of the same book, where he saith: “I saw well that knowledge recedeth as far from ignorance as light doth from darkness; and that the wise man’s eyes keep watch in his head, whereas this fool roundeth about in darkness: but withal I learned that the same mortality involveth them both.” And for the second, certain it is there is no vexation or anxiety of mind which resulteth from knowledge otherwise than merely by accident; for all knowledge and wonder (which is the seed of knowledge) is an impression of pleasure in itself; but when men fall to framing conclusions out of their knowledge, applying it to their particular, and ministering to themselves thereby weak fears or vast desires, there groweth that carefulness and trouble of mind which is spoken of; for then knowledge is no more Lumen siccum, whereof Heraclitus the profound said, Lumen siccum optima anima; but it becometh Lumen madidum, or maceratum, being steeped and infused in the humours of the affections. And as for the third point, it deserveth to be a little stood upon, and not to be lightly passed over; for if any man shall think by view and inquiry into these sensible and material things to attain that light, whereby he may reveal unto himself the nature or will of God, then, indeed, is he spoiled by vain philosophy; for the contemplation of God’s creatures and works produceth (having regard to the works and creatures themselves) knowledge, but having regard to God no perfect knowledge, but wonder, which is broken knowledge. And, therefore, it was most aptly said by one of Plato’s school, “That the sense of man carrieth a resemblance with the sun, which (as we see) openeth and revealeth all the terrestrial globe; but then, again, it obscureth and concealeth the stars and celestial globe: so doth the sense discover natural things, but it darkeneth and shutteth up divine.” And hence it is true that it hath proceeded, that divers great learned men have been heretical, whilst they have sought to fly up to the secrets of the Deity by this waxen wings of the senses. And as for the conceit that too much knowledge should incline a man to atheism, and that the ignorance of second causes should make a more devout dependence upon God, which is the first cause; first, it is good to ask the question which Job asked of his friends: “Will you lie for God, as one man will lie for another, to gratify him?” For certain it is that God worketh nothing in Nature but by second causes; and if they would have it otherwise believed, it is mere imposture, as it were in favour towards God, and nothing else but to offer to the Author of truth the unclean sacrifice of a lie. But further, it is an assured truth, and a conclusion of experience, that a little or superficial knowledge of philosophy may incline the mind of men to atheism, but a further proceeding therein doth bring the mind back again to religion. For in the entrance of philosophy, when the second causes, which are next unto the senses, do offer themselves to the mind of man, if it dwell and stay there it may induce some oblivion of the highest cause; but when a man passeth on further and seeth the dependence of causes and the works of Providence; then, according to the allegory of the poets, he will easily believe that the highest link of Nature’s chain must needs he tied to the foot of Jupiter’s chair. To conclude, therefore, let no man upon a weak conceit of sobriety or an ill-applied moderation think or maintain that a man can search too far, or be too well studied in the book of God’s word, or in the book of God’s works, divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficience in both; only let men beware that they apply both to charity, and not to swelling; to use, and not to ostentation; and again, that they do not unwisely mingle or confound these learnings together.

II. 

(1) And as for the disgraces which learning receiveth from politics, they be of this nature: that learning doth soften men’s minds, and makes them more unapt for the honour and exercise of arms; that it doth mar and pervert men’s dispositions for matter of government and policy, in making them too curious and irresolute by variety of reading, or too peremptory or positive by strictness of rules and axioms, or too immoderate and overweening by reason of the greatness of examples, or too in-compatible and differing from the times by reason of the dissimilitude of examples; or at least, that it doth divert men’s travails from action and business, and bringeth them to a love of leisure and privateness; and that it doth bring into states a relaxation of discipline, whilst every man is more ready to argue than to obey and execute. Out of this conceit Cato, surnamed the Censor, one of the wisest men indeed that ever lived, when Carneades the philosopher came in embassage to Rome, and that the young men of Rome began to flock about him, being allured with the sweetness and majesty of his eloquence and learning, gave counsel in open senate that they should give him his despatch with all speed, lest he should infect and enchant the minds and affections of the youth, and at unawares bring in an alteration of the manners and customs of the state. Out of the same conceit or humour did Virgil, turning his pen to the advantage of his country and the disadvantage of his own profession, make a kind of separation between policy and government, and between arts and sciences, in the verses so much renowned, attributing and challenging the one to the Romans, and leaving and yielding the other to the Grecians: Tu regere imperio popules, Romane, memento, Hæ tibi erunt artes, &amp;c. So likewise we see that Anytus, the accuser of Socrates, laid it as an article of charge and accusation against him, that he did, with the variety and power of his discourses and disputatious, withdraw young men from due reverence to the laws and customs of their country, and that he did profess a dangerous and pernicious science, which was to make the worse matter seem the better, and to suppress truth by force of eloquence and speech.

(2) But these and the like imputations have rather a countenance of gravity than any ground of justice: for experience doth warrant that, both in persons and in times, there hath been a meeting and concurrence in learning and arms, flourishing and excelling in the same men and the same ages. For as ‘for men, there cannot be a better nor the hike instance as of that pair, Alexander the Great and Julius Cæsar, the Dictator; whereof the one was Aristotle’s scholar in philosophy, and the other was Cicero’s rival in eloquence; or if any man had rather call for scholars that were great generals, than generals that were great scholars, let him take Epaminondas the Theban, or Xenophon the Athenian; whereof the one was the first that abated the power of Sparta, and the other was the first that made way to the overthrow of the monarchy of Persia. And this concurrence is yet more visible in times than in persons, by how much an age is greater object than a man. For both in Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Græcia, and Rome, the same times that are most renowned for arms are, likewise, most admired for learning, so that the greatest authors and philosophers, and the greatest captains and governors, have lived in the same ages. Neither can it otherwise he: for as in man the ripeness of strength of the body and mind cometh much about an age, save that the strength of the body cometh somewhat the more early, so in states, arms and learning, whereof the one correspondeth to the body, the other to the soul of man, have a concurrence or near sequence in times.

(3) And for matter of policy and government, that learning, should rather hurt, than enable thereunto, is a thing very improbable; we see it is accounted an error to commit a natural body to empiric physicians, which commonly have a few pleasing receipts whereupon they are confident and adventurous, but know neither the causes of diseases, nor the complexions of patients, nor peril of accidents, nor the true method of cures; we see it is a like error to rely upon advocates or lawyers which are only men of practice, and not grounded in their books, who are many times easily surprised when matter falleth out besides their experience, to the prejudice of the causes they handle: so by like reason it cannot be but a matter of doubtful consequence if states be managed by empiric statesmen, not well mingled with men grounded in learning. But contrariwise, it is almost without instance contradictory that ever any government was disastrous that was in the hands of learned governors. For howsoever it hath been ordinary with politic men to extenuate and disable learned men by the names of pedantes; yet in the records of time it appeareth in many particulars that the governments of princes in minority (notwithstanding the infinite disadvantage of that kind of state) - have nevertheless excelled the government of princes of mature age, even for that reason which they seek to traduce, which is that by that occasion the state hath been in the hands of pedantes: for so was the state of Rome for the first five years, which are so much magnified, during the minority of Nero, in the hands of Seneca, a pedenti; so it was again, for ten years’ space or more, during the minority of Gordianus the younger, with great applause and contentation in the hands of Misitheus, a pedanti: so was it before that, in the minority of Alexander Severus, in like happiness, in hands not much unlike, by reason of the rule of the women, who were aided by the teachers and preceptors. Nay, let a man look into the government of the Bishops of Rome, as by name, into the government of Pius Quintus and Sextus Quintus in our times, who were both at their entrance esteemed but as pedantical friars, and he shall find that such Popes do greater things, and proceed upon truer principles of state, than those which have ascended to the papacy from an education and breeding in affairs of state and courts of princes; for although men bred in learning are perhaps to seek in points of convenience and accommodating for the present, which the Italians call ragioni di stato, whereof the same Pius Quintus could not hear spoken with patience, terming them inventions against religion and the moral virtues; yet on the other side, to recompense that, they are perfect in those same plain grounds of religion, justice, honour, and moral virtue, which if they be well and watchfully pursued, there will be seldom use of those other, no more than of physic in a sound or well-dieted body. Neither can the experience of one man’s life furnish examples and precedents for the event of one man’s life. For as it happeneth sometimes that the grandchild, or other descendant, resembleth the ancestor more than the son; so many times occurrences of present times may sort better with ancient examples than with those of the later or immediate times; and lastly, the wit of one man can no more countervail learning than one man’s means can hold way with a common purse.

(4) And as for those particular seducements or indispositions of the mind for policy and government, which learning is pretended to insinuate; if it be granted that any such thing be, it must be remembered withal that learning ministereth in every of them greater strength of medicine or remedy than it offereth cause of indisposition or infirmity. For if by a secret operation it make men perplexed and irresolute, on the other side by plain precept it teacheth them when and upon what ground to resolve; yea, and how to carry things in suspense, without prejudice, till they resolve. If it make men positive and regular, it teacheth them what things are in their nature de-monstrative, and what are conjectural, and as well the use of distinctions and excep-tions, as the latitude of principles and rules. If it mislead by disproportion or dissimi-litude of examples, it teacheth men the force of circumstances, the errors of com-parisons, and all the cautions of application; so that in all these it doth rectify more effectually than it can pervert. And these medicines it conveyeth into men’s minds much more forcibly by the quickness and penetration of examples. For let a man look into the errors of Clement VII., so lively described by Guicciardini, who served under him, or into the errors of Cicero, painted out by his own pencil in his Epistles to Atticus, and he will fly apace from being irresolute. Let him look into the errors of Phocion, and he will beware how he be obstinate or inflexible. Let him but read the fable of Ixion, and it will hold him from being vaporous or imaginative. Let him look into the errors of Cato II., and he will never be one of the Antipodes, to tread oppo-site to the present world.

(5) And for the conceit that learning should dispose men to leisure and privateness, and make men slothful: it were a strange thing if that which accustometh the mind to a perpetual motion and agitation should induce slothfulness, whereas, contrariwise, it may be truly affirmed that no kind of men love business for itself but those that are learned; for other persons love it for profit, as a hireling that loves the work for the wages; or for honour, as because it beareth them up in the eyes of men, and refresheth their reputation, which otherwise would wear; or because it putteth them in mind of their fortune, and giveth them occasion to pleasure and displeasure; or because it exerciseth some faculty wherein they take pride, and so entertaineth them in good-humour and pleasing conceits towards themselves; or because it advanceth any other their ends. So that as it is said of untrue valours, that some men’s valours are in the eyes of them that look on, so such men’s industries are in the eyes of others, or, at least, in regard of their own designments; only learned men love business as an action according to nature, as agreeable to health of mind as exercise is to health of body, taking pleasure in the action itself, and not in the purchase, so that of all men they are the most indefatigable, if it be towards any business which can hold or detain their mind.

(6) And if any man be laborious in reading and study, and yet idle in business and ac-tion, it groweth from some weakness of body or softness of spirit, such as Seneca speaketh of: Quidam tam sunt umbratiles, ut putent in turbido esse quicquid in luce est; and not of learning: well may it be that such a point of a man’s nature may make him give himself to learning, but it is not learning that breedeth any such point in his nature.

(7) And that learning should take up too much time or leisure: I answer, the most ac-tive or busy man that hath been or can be, hath (no question) many vacant times of leisure while he expecteth the tides and returns of business (except he be either tedious and of no despatch, or lightly and unworthily ambitious to meddle in things that may be better done by others), and then the question is but how those spaces and times of leisure shall be filled and spent; whether in pleasure or in studies; as was well answered by Demosthenes to his adversary Æschines, that was a man given to pleasure, and told him “That his orations did smell of the lamp.” “Indeed,” said Demosthenes, “there is a great difference between the things that you and I do by lamp-light.” So as no man need doubt that learning will expel business, but rather it will keep and defend the possession of the mind against idleness and pleasure, which otherwise at unawares may enter to the prejudice of both.

(8) Again, for that other conceit that learning should undermine the reverence of laws and government, it is assuredly a mere depravation and calumny, without all shadow of truth. For to say that a blind custom of obedience should be a surer obligation than duty taught and understood, it is to affirm that a blind man may tread surer by a guide than a seeing man can by a light. And it is without all controversy that learning doth make the minds of men gentle, generous, manageable, and pliant to government; whereas ignorance makes them churlish, thwart, and mutinous: and the evidence of time doth clear this assertion, considering that the most barbarous, rude, and unlearned times have been most subject to tumults, seditious, and changes.

(9) And as to the judgment of Cato the Censor, he was well punished for his blas-phemy against learning, in the same kind wherein he offended; for when he was past threescore years old, he was taken with an extreme desire to go to school again, and to learn the Greek tongue, to the end to peruse the Greek authors; which doth well demonstrate that his former censure of the Grecian learning was rather an affected gravity, than according to the inward sense of his own opinion. And as for Virgil’s verses, though it pleased him to brave the world in taking to the Romans the art of empire, and leaving to others the arts of subjects, yet so much is manifest - that the Romans never ascended to that height of empire till the time they had ascended to the height of other arts. For in the time of the two first Cæsars, which had the art of government in greatest perfection, there lived the best poet, Virgilius Maro; the best historiographer, Titus Livius; the best antiquary, Marcus Varro; and the best or second orator, Marcus Cicero, that to the memory of man are known. As for the accusation of Socrates, the time must be remembered when it was prosecuted; which was under the Thirty Tyrants, the most base, bloody, and envious persons that have governed; which revolution of state was no sooner over but Socrates, whom they had made a person criminal, was made a person heroical, and his memory accumulate with honours divine and human; and those discourses of his which were then termed corrupting of manners, were after acknowledged for sovereign medicines of the mind and manners, and so have been received ever since till this day. Let this, therefore, serve for answer to politiques, which in their humorous severity, or in their feigned gravity, have presumed to throw imputations upon learning; which redargution nevertheless (save that we know not whether our labours may extend to other ages) were not needful for the present, in regard of the love and reverence towards learning which the example and countenance of two so learned princes, Queen Elizabeth and your Majesty, being as Castor and Pollux, lucida sidera, stars of excellent light and most benign influence, hath wrought in all men of place and authority in our nation.

III. 

(1) Now therefore we come to that third sort of discredit or diminution of credit that groweth unto learning from learned men themselves, which commonly cleaveth fastest: it is either from their fortune, or from their manners, or from the nature of their studies. For the first, it is not in their power; and the second is accidental; the third only is proper to be handled: but because we are not in hand with true measure, but with popular estimation and conceit, it is not amiss to speak somewhat of the two former. The derogations therefore which grow to learning from the fortune or condition of learned men, are either in respect of scarcity of means, or in respect of privateness of life and meanness of employments.

(2) Concerning want, and that it is the case of learned men usually to begin with little, and not to grow rich so fast as other men, by reason they convert not their labours chiefly to lucre and increase, it were good to leave the commonplace in commendation of povery to some friar to handle, to whom much was attributed by Machiavel in this point when he said, “That the kingdom of the clergy had been long before at an end, if the reputation and reverence towards the poverty of friars had not borne out the scandal of the superfluities and excesses of bishops and prelates.” So a man might say that the felicity and delicacy of princes and great persons had long since turned to rudeness and barbarism, if the poverty of learning had not kept up civility and honour of life; but without any such advantages, it is worthy the observation what a reverent and honoured thing poverty of fortune was for some ages in the Roman state, which nevertheless was a state without paradoxes. For we see what Titus Livius saith in his introduction: Cæterum aut me amor negotii suscepti fallit aut nulla unquam respublica nec major, nec sanctior, nec bonis exemplis ditior fuit; nec in quam tam sero avaritia luxuriaque immigraverint; nec ubi tantus ac tam diu paupertati ac parsimoniæ honos fuerit. We see likewise, after that the state of Rome was not itself, but did degenerate, how that person that took upon him to be counsellor to Julius Cæsar after his victory where to begin his restoration of the state, maketh it of all points the most summary to take away the estimation of wealth: Verum hæc et omnia mala pariter cum honore pecuniæ desinent; si neque magistratus, neque alia vulgo cupienda, venalia erunt. To conclude this point: as it was truly said that Paupertas est virtutis fortuna, though sometimes it come from vice, so it may be fitly said that, though some times it may proceed from misgovernment and accident. Surely Solomon hath pronounced it both in censure, Qui festinat ad divitias non erit insons; and in precept, “Buy the truth, and sell it not; and so of wisdom and knowledge;” judging that means were to be spent upon learning, and not learning to be applied to means. And as for the privateness or obscureness (as it may be in vulgar estimation accounted) of life of contemplative men, it is a theme so common to extol a private life, not taxed with sensuality and sloth, in comparison and to the disadvantage of a civil life, for safety, liberty, pleasure, and dignity, or at least freedom from indignity, as no man handleth it but handleth it well; such a consonancy it hath to men’s conceits in the expressing, and to men’s consents in the allowing. This only I will add, that learned men forgotten in states and not living in the eyes of men, are like the images of Cassius and Brutus in the funeral of Junia, of which, not being represented as many others were, Tacitus saith, Eo ipso præfulgebant quod non visebantur.

(3) And for meanness of employment, that which is most traduced to contempt is that the government of youth is commonly allotted to them; which age, because it is the age of least authority, it is transferred to the disesteeming of those employments wherein youth is conversant, and which are conversant about youth. But how unjust this traducement is (if you will reduce things from popularity of opinion to measure of reason) may appear in that we see men are more curious what they put into a new vessel than into a vessel seasoned; and what mould they lay about a young plant than about a plant corroborate; so as this weakest terms and times of all things use to have the best applications and helps. And will you hearken to the Hebrew rabbins? “Your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” say they, youth is the worthier age, for that visions are nearer apparitions of God than dreams? And let it be noted that howsoever the condition of life of pedantes hath been scorned upon theatres, as the ape of tyranny; and that the modern looseness or negligence hath taken no due regard to the choice of schoolmasters and tutors; yet the ancient wisdom of the best times did always make a just complaint, that states were too busy with their laws and too negligent in point of education: which excellent part of ancient discipline hath been in some sort revived of late times by the colleges of the Jesuits; of whom, although in regard of their superstition I may say, Quo meliores, eo deteriores; yet in regard of this, and some other points concerning human learning and moral matters, I may say, as Agesilaus said to his enemy Pharnabazus, Talis quum sis, utunam noster esses. And that much touching the discredits drawn from the fortunes of learned men.

(4) As touching the manners of learned men, it is a thing personal and individual: and no doubt there be amongst them, as in other professions, of all temperatures: but yet so as it is not without truth which is said, that Abeunt studua in mores, studies have an influence and operation upon the manners of those that are conversant in them.

(5) But upon an attentive and indifferent review, I for my part cannot find any disgrace to learning can proceed from the manners of learned men; not inherent to them as they are learned; except it be a fault (which was the supposed fault of Demosthenes, Cicero, Cato II., Seneca, and many more) that because the times they read of are commonly better than the times they live in, and the duties taught better than the duties practised, they contend sometimes too far to bring things to perfection, and to reduce the corruption of manners to honesty of precepts or examples of too great height. And yet hereof they have caveats enough in their own walks. For Solon, when he was asked whether he had given his citizens the best laws, answered wisely, “Yea, of such as they would receive:” and Plato, finding that his own heart could not agree with the corrupt manners of his country, refused to bear place or office, saying, “That a man’s country was to be used as his parents were, that is, with humble persuasions, and not with contestations.” And Cæsar’s counsellor put in the same caveat, Non ad vetera instituta revocans quæ jampridem corruptis moribus ludibrio sunt; and Cicero noteth this error directly in Cato II. when he writes to his friend Atticus, Cato optime sentit, sed nocet interdum reipublicæ; loquitur enim tanquam in republicâ Platonis, non tanquam in fæce Romuli. And the same Cicero doth excuse and expound the philosophers for going too far and being too exact in their prescripts when he saith, Isti ipse præceptores virtutis et magistri videntur fines officiorum paulo longius quam natura vellet protulisse, ut cum ad ultimum animo contendissemus, ibi tamen, ubi oportet, consisteremus: and yet himself might have said, Monitis sum minor ipse meis; for it was his own fault, though not in so extreme a degree.

(6) Another fault likewise much of this kind hath been incident to learned men, which is, that they have esteemed the preservation, good, and honour of their countries or masters before their own fortunes or safeties. For so saith Demosthenes unto the Athenians: “If it please you to note it, my counsels unto you are not such whereby I should grow great amongst you, and you become little amongst the Grecians; but they be of that nature as they are sometimes not good for me to give, but are always good for you to follow.” And so Seneca, after he had consecrated that Quinquennium Neronis to the eternal glory of learned governors, held on his honest and loyal course of good and free counsel after his master grew extremely corrupt in his government. Neither can this point otherwise be, for learning endueth men’s minds with a true sense of the frailty of their persons, the casualty of their fortunes, and the dignity of their soul and vocation, so that it is impossible for them to esteem that any greatness of their own fortune can be a true or worthy end of their being and ordainment, and therefore are desirous to give their account to God, and so likewise to their masters under God (as kings and the states that they serve) in those words, Ecce tibi lucrefeci, and not Ecce mihi lucrefeci; whereas the corrupter sort of mere politiques, that have not their thoughts established by learning in the love and apprehension of duty, nor never look abroad into universality, do refer all things to themselves, and thrust themselves into the centre of the world, as if all lines should meet in them and their fortunes, never caring in all tempests what becomes of the ship of state, so they may save themselves in the cockboat of their own fortune; whereas men that feel the weight of duty and know the limits of self-love use to make good their places and duties, though with peril; and if they stand in seditious and violent alterations, it is rather the reverence which many times both adverse parts do give to honesty, than any versatile advantage of their own carriage. But for this point of tender sense and fast obligation of duty which learning doth endue the mind withal, howsoever fortune may tax it, and many in the depth of their corrupt principles may despise it, yet it will receive an open allowance, and therefore needs the less disproof or excuse.

(7) Another fault incident commonly to learned men, which may be more properly defended than truly denied, is that they fail sometimes in applying themselves to par-ticular persons, which want of exact application ariseth from two causes - the one, because the largeness of their mind can hardly confine itself to dwell in the exquisite observation or examination of the nature and customs of one person, for it is a speech for a lover, and not for a wise man, Satis magnum alter alteri theatrum sumus. Nevertheless I shall yield that he that cannot contract the sight of his mind as well as disperse and dilate it, wanteth a great faculty. But there is a second cause, which is no inability, but a rejection upon choice and judgment. For the honest and just bounds of observation by one person upon another extend no further but to understand him sufficiently, whereby not to give him offence, or whereby to be able to give him faithful counsel, or whereby to stand upon reasonable guard and caution in respect of a man’s self. But to be speculative into another man to the end to know how to work him, or wind him, or govern him, proceedeth from a heart that is double and cloven, and not entire and ingenuous; which as in friendship it is want of integrity, so towards princes or superiors is want of duty. For the custom of the Levant, which is that subjects do forbear to gaze or fix their eyes upon princes, is in the outward ceremony barbarous, but the moral is good; for men ought not, by cunning and bent observations, to pierce and penetrate into the hearts of kings, which the Scripture hath declared to be inscrutable.

(8) There is yet another fault (with which I will conclude this part) which is often noted in learned men, that they do many times fail to observe decency and discretion in their behaviour and carriage, and commit errors in small and ordinary points of action, so as the vulgar sort of capacities do make a judgment of them in greater matters by that which they find wanting in them in smaller. But this consequence doth oft deceive men, for which I do refer them over to that which was said by Themistocles, arrogantly and uncivilly being applied to himself out of his own mouth, but, being applied to the general state of this question, pertinently and justly, when, being invited to touch a lute, he said, “He could not fiddle, but he could make a small town a great state.” So no doubt many may be well seen in the passages of government and policy which are to seek in little and punctual occasions. I refer them also to that which Plato said of his master Socrates, whom he compared to the gallipots of apothecaries, which on the outside had apes and owls and antiques, but contained within sovereign and precious liquors and confections; acknowledging that, to an external report, he was not without superficial levities and deformities, but was inwardly replenished with excellent virtues and powers. And so much touching the point of manners of learned men.

(9) But in the meantime I have no purpose to give allowance to some conditions and courses base and unworthy, wherein divers professors of learning have wronged themselves and gone too far; such as were those trencher philosophers which in the later age of the Roman state were usually in the houses of great persons, being little better than solemn parasites, of which kind, Lucian maketh a merry description of the philosopher that the great lady took to ride with her in her coach, and would needs have him carry her little dog, which he doing officiously and yet uncomely, the page scoffed and said, “That he doubted the philosopher of a Stoic would turn to be a Cynic.” But, above all the rest, this gross and palpable flattery whereunto many not unlearned have abased and abused their wits and pens, turning (as Du Bartas saith) Hecuba into Helena, and Faustina into Lucretia, hath most diminished the price and estimation of learning. Neither is the modern dedication of books and writings, as to patrons, to be commended, for that books (such as are worthy the name of books) ought to have no patrons but truth and reason. And the ancient custom was to dedi-cate them only to private and equal friends, or to entitle the books with their names; or if to kings and great persons, it was to some such as the argument of the book was fit and proper for; but these and the like courses may deserve rather reprehension than defence.

(10) Not that I can tax or condemn the morigeration or application of learned men to men in fortune. For the answer was good that Diogenes made to one that asked him in mockery, “How it came to pass that philosophers were the followers of rich men, and not rich men of philosophers?” He answered soberly, and yet sharply, “Because the one sort knew what they had need of, and the other did not.” And of the like nature was the answer which Aristippus made, when having a petition to Dionysius, and no ear given to him, he fell down at his feet, whereupon Dionysius stayed and gave him the hearing, and granted it; and afterwards some person, tender on the behalf of philosophy, reproved Aristippus that he would offer the profession of philosophy such an indignity as for a private suit to fall at a tyrant’s feet; but he answered, “It was not his fault, but it was the fault of Dionysius, that had his ears in his feet.” Neither was it accounted weakness, but discretion, in him that would not dispute his best with Adrianus Cæsar, excusing himself, “That it was reason to yield to him that commanded thirty legions.” These and the like, applications, and stooping to points of necessity and convenience, cannot be disallowed; for though they may have some outward baseness, yet in a judgment truly made they are to be accounted submissions to the occasion and not to the person.

IV. 

(1) Now I proceed to those errors and vanities which have intervened amongst the studies themselves of the learned, which is that which is principal and proper to the present argument; wherein my purpose is not to make a justification of the errors, but by a censure and separation of the errors to make a justification of that which is good and sound, and to deliver that from the aspersion of the other. For we see that it is the manner of men to scandalise and deprave that which retaineth the state and virtue, by taking advantage upon that which is corrupt and degenerate, as the heathens in the primitive Church used to blemish and taint the Christians with the faults and corruptions of heretics. But nevertheless I have no meaning at this time to make any exact animadversion of the errors and impediments in matters of learning, which are more secret and remote from vulgar opinion, but only to speak unto such as do fall under or near unto a popular observation.

(2) There be therefore chiefly three vanities in studies, whereby learning hath been most traduced. For those things we do esteem vain which are either false or frivolous, those which either have no truth or no use; and those persons we esteem vain which are either credulous or curious; and curiosity is either in matter or words: so that in reason as well as in experience there fall out to be these three distempers (as I may term them) of learning - the first, fantastical learning; the second, contentious learning; and the last, delicate learning; vain imaginations, vain altercations, and vain affectations; and with the last I will begin. Martin Luther, conducted, no doubt, by a higher Providence, but in discourse of reason, finding what a province he had undertaken against the Bishop of Rome and the degenerate traditions of the Church, and finding his own solitude, being in nowise aided by the opinions of his own time, was enforced to awake all antiquity, and to call former times to his succours to make a party against the present time. So that the ancient authors, both in divinity and in humanity, which had long time slept in libraries, began generally to be read and revolved. This, by consequence, did draw on a necessity of a more exquisite travail in the languages original, wherein those authors did write, for the better understanding of those authors, and the better advantage of pressing and applying their words. And thereof grew, again, a delight in their manner of style and phrase, and an admiration of that kind of writing, which was much furthered and precipitated by the enmity and opposition that the propounders of those primitive but seeming new opinions had against the schoolmen, who were generally of the contrary part, and whose writings were altogether in a differing style and form; taking liberty to coin and frame new terms of art to express their own sense, and to avoid circuit of speech, without regard to the pureness, pleasantness, and (as I may call it) lawfulness of the phrase or word. And again, because the great labour then was with the people (of whom the Pharisees were wont to say, Execrabilis ista turba, quæ non novit legem), for the winning and persuading of them, there grew of necessity in chief price and request eloquence and variety of discourse, as the fittest and forciblest access into the capacity of the vulgar sort; so that these four causes concurring - the admiration of ancient authors, the hate of the schoolmen, the exact study of languages, and the efficacy of preaching - did bring in an affectionate study of eloquence and copy of speech, which then began to flourish. This grew speedily to an excess; for men began to hunt more after words than matter - more after the choiceness of the phrase, and the round and clean composition of the sentence, and the sweet falling of the clauses, and the varying and illustration of their works with tropes and figures, than after the weight of matter, worth of subject, soundness of argument, life of invention, or depth of judgment. Then grew the flowing and watery vein of Osorius, the Portugal bishop, to be in price. Then did Sturmius spend such infinite and curious pains upon Cicero the Orator and Hermogenes the Rhetorician, besides his own books of Periods and Imitation, and the like. Then did Car of Cambridge and Ascham with their lectures and writings almost deify Cicero and Demosthenes, and allure all young men that were studious unto that delicate and polished kind of learning. Then did Erasmus take occasion to make the scoffing echo, Decem annos consuumpsi in legendo Cicerone; and the echo answered in Greek, One, Asine. Then grew the learning of the schoolmen to be utterly despised as barbarous. In sum, the whole inclination and bent of those times was rather towards copy than weight.

(3) Here therefore [is] the first distemper of learning, when men study words and not matter; whereof, though I have represented an example of late times, yet it hath been and will be secundum majus et minus in all time. And how is it possible but this should have an operation to discredit learning, even with vulgar capacities, when they see learned men’s works like the first letter of a patent or limited book, which though it hath large flourishes, yet it is but a letter? It seems to me that Pygmalion’s frenzy is a good emblem or portraiture of this vanity; for words are but the images of matter, and except they have life of reason and invention, to fall in love with them is all one as to fall in love with a picture.

(4) But yet notwithstanding it is a thing not hastily to be condemned, to clothe and adorn the obscurity even of philosophy itself with sensible and plausible elocution. For hereof we have great examples in Xenophon, Cicero, Seneca, Plutarch, and of Plato also in some degree; and hereof likewise there is great use, for surely, to the severe inquisition of truth and the deep progress into philosophy, it is some hindrance because it is too early satisfactory to the mind of man, and quencheth the desire of further search before we come to a just period. But then if a man be to have any use of such knowledge in civil occasions, of conference, counsel, persuasion, discourse, or the like, then shall he find it prepared to his hands in those authors which write in that manner. But the excess of this is so justly contemptible, that as Hercules, when he saw the image of Adonis, Venus’ minion, in a temple, said in disdain, Nil sacri es; so there is none of Hercules’ followers in learning - that is, the more severe and laborious sort of inquirers into truth - but will despise those delicacies and affectations, as indeed capable of no divineness. And thus much of the first disease or distemper of learning.

(5) The second which followeth is in nature worse than the former: for as substance of matter is better than beauty of words, so contrariwise vain matter is worse than vain words: wherein it seemeth the reprehension of St. Paul was not only proper for those times, but prophetical for the times following; and not only respective to divinity, but extensive to all knowledge: Devita profanas vocum novitates, et oppositiones falsi nominis scientiæ. For he assigneth two marks and badges of suspected and falsified science: the one, the novelty and strangeness of terms; the other, the strictness of positions, which of necessity doth induce oppositions, and so questions and alter-cations. Surely, like as many substances in nature which are solid do putrefy and corrupt into worms; - so it is the property of good and sound knowledge to putrefy and dissolve into a number of subtle, idle, unwholesome, and (as I may term them) ver-miculate questions, which have indeed a kind of quickness and life of spirit, but no soundness of matter or goodness of quality. This kind of degenerate learning did chiefly reign amongst the schoolmen, who having sharp and strong wits, and abun-dance of leisure, and small variety of reading, but their wits being shut up in the cells of a few authors (chiefly Aristotle their dictator) as their persons were shut up in the cells of monasteries and colleges, and knowing little history, either of nature or time, did out of no great quantity of matter and infinite agitation of wit spin out unto us those laborious webs of learning which are extant in their books. For the wit and mind of man, if it work upon matter, which is the contemplation of the creatures of God, worketh according to the stuff and is limited thereby; but if it work upon itself, as the spider worketh his web, then it is endless, and brings forth indeed cobwebs of learning, admirable for the fineness of thread and work, but of no substance or profit.

(6) This same unprofitable subtility or curiosity is of two sorts: either in the subject itself that they handle, when it is a fruitless speculation or controversy (whereof there are no small number both in divinity and philosophy), or in the manner or method of handling of a knowledge, which amongst them was this - upon every particular position or assertion to frame objections, and to those objections, solutions; which solutions were for the most part not confutations, but distinctions: whereas indeed the strength of all sciences is, as the strength of the old man’s faggot, in the bond. For the harmony of a science, supporting each part the other, is and ought to be the true and brief confutation and suppression of all the smaller sort of objections. But, on the other side, if you take out every axiom, as the sticks of the faggot, one by one, you may quarrel with them and bend them and break them at your pleasure: so that, as was said of Seneca, Verborum minutiis rerum frangit pondera, so a man may truly say of the schoolmen, Quæstionum minutiis scientiarum frangunt soliditatem. For were it not better for a man in fair room to set up one great light, or branching candlestick of lights, than to go about with a small watch-candle into every corner? And such is their method, that rests not so much upon evidence of truth proved by arguments, authorities, similitudes, examples, as upon particular confutations and solutions of every scruple, cavillation, and objection; breeding for the most part one question as fast as it solveth another; even as in the former resemblance, when you carry the light into one corner, you darken the rest; so that the fable and fiction of Scylla seemeth to be a lively image of this kind of philosophy or knowledge; which was transformed into a comely virgin for the upper parts; but then Candida succinctam latrantibus inguina monstris: so the generalities of the schoolmen are for a while good and proportionable; but then when you descend into their distinctions and decisions, instead of a fruitful womb for the use and benefit of man’s life, they end in monstrous altercations and barking questions. So as it is not possible but this quality of knowledge must fall under popular contempt, the people being apt to contemn truths upon occasion of controversies and altercations, and to think they are all out of their way which never meet; and when they see such digladiation about subtleties, and matters of no use or moment, they easily fall upon that judgment of Dionysius of Syracusa, Verba ista sunt senum otiosorum.

(7) Notwithstanding, certain it is that if those schoolmen to their great thirst of truth and unwearied travail of wit had joined variety and universality of reading and con-templation, they had proved excellent lights, to the great advancement of all learning and knowledge; but as they are, they are great undertakers indeed, and fierce with dark keeping. But as in the inquiry of the divine truth, their pride inclined to leave the oracle of God’s word, and to vanish in the mixture of their own inventions; so in the inquisition of nature, they ever left the oracle of God’s works, and adored the deceiving and deformed images which the unequal mirror of their own minds, or a few received authors or principles, did represent unto them. And thus much for the second disease of learning.

(8) For the third vice or disease of learning, which concerneth deceit or untruth, it is of all the rest the foulest; as that which doth destroy the essential form of knowledge, which is nothing but a representation of truth: for the truth of being and the truth of knowing are one, differing no more than the direct beam and the beam reflected. This vice therefore brancheth itself into two sorts; delight in deceiving and aptness to be deceived; imposture and credulity; which, although they appear to be of a diverse nature, the one seeming to proceed of cunning and the other of simplicity, yet certainly they do for the most part concur: for, as the verse noteth -

“Percontatorem fugito, nam garrulus idem est,”

an inquisitive man is a prattler; so upon the like reason a credulous man is a deceiver: as we see it in fame, that he that will easily believe rumours will as easily augment rumours and add somewhat to them of his own; which Tacitus wisely noteth, when he saith, Fingunt simul creduntque: so great an affinity hath fiction and belief.

(9) This facility of credit and accepting or admitting things weakly authorised or war-ranted is of two kinds according to the subject: for it is either a belief of history, or, as the lawyers speak, matter of fact; or else of matter of art and opinion. As to the former, we see the experience and inconvenience of this error in ecclesiastical history; which hath too easily received and registered reports and narrations of miracles wrought by martyrs, hermits, or monks of the desert, and other holy men, and their relics, shrines, chapels and images: which though they had a passage for a time by the ignorance of the people, the superstitious simplicity of some and the politic toleration of others holding them but as divine poesies, yet after a period of time, when the mist began to clear up, they grew to be esteemed but as old wives’ fables, impostures of the clergy, illusions of spirits, and badges of Antichrist, to the great scandal and detriment of religion.

(10) So in natural history, we see there hath not been that choice and judgment used as ought to have been; as may appear in the writings of Plinius, Cardanus, Albertus, and divers of the Arabians, being fraught with much fabulous matter, a great part not only untried, but notoriously untrue, to the great derogation of the credit of natural philosophy with the grave and sober kind of wits: wherein the wisdom and integrity of Aristotle is worthy to be observed, that, having made so diligent and exquisite a history of living creatures, hath mingled it sparingly with any vain or feigned matter; and yet on the other side hath cast all prodigious narrations, which he thought worthy the recording, into one book, excellently discerning that matter of manifest truth, such whereupon observation and rule was to be built, was not to be mingled or weakened with matter of doubtful credit; and yet again, that rarities and reports that seem uncredible are not to be suppressed or denied to the memory of men.

(11) And as for the facility of credit which is yielded to arts and opinions, it is likewise of two kinds; either when too much belief is attributed to the arts themselves, or to certain authors in any art. The sciences themselves, which have had better intelligence and confederacy with the imagination of man than with his reason, are three in number: astrology, natural magic, and alchemy; of which sciences, nevertheless, the ends or pretences are noble. For astrology pretendeth to discover that correspondence or concatenation which is between the superior globe and the inferior; natural magic pretendeth to call and reduce natural philosophy from variety of speculations to the magnitude of works; and alchemy pretendeth to make separation of all the unlike parts of bodies which in mixtures of natures are incorporate. But the derivations and prosecutions to these ends, both in the theories and in the practices, are full of error and vanity; which the great professors themselves have sought to veil over and conceal by enigmatical writings, and referring themselves to auricular traditions and such other devices, to save the credit of impostures. And yet surely to alchemy this right is due, that it may be compared to the husbandman whereof Æsop makes the fable; that, when he died, told his sons that he had left unto them gold buried underground in his vineyard; and they digged over all the ground, and gold they found none; but by reason of their stirring and digging the mould about the roots of their vines, they had a great vintage the year following: so assuredly the search and stir to make gold hath brought to light a great number of good and fruitful inventions and experiments, as well for the disclosing of nature as for the use of man’s life.

(12) And as for the overmuch credit that hath been given unto authors in sciences, in making them dictators, that their words should stand, and not consuls, to give advice; the damage is infinite that sciences have received thereby, as the principal cause that hath kept them low at a stay without growth or advancement. For hence it hath come, that in arts mechanical the first deviser comes shortest, and time addeth and perfecteth; but in sciences the first author goeth furthest, and time leeseth and corrupteth. So we see artillery, sailing, printing, and the like, were grossly managed at the first, and by time accommodated and refined; but contrariwise, the philosophies and sciences of Aristotle, Plato, Democritus, Hippocrates, Euclides, Archimedes, of most vigour at the first, and by time degenerate and imbased: whereof the reason is no other, but that in the former many wits and industries have contributed in one; and in the latter many wits and industries have been spent about the wit of some one, whom many times they have rather depraved than illustrated; for, as water will not ascend higher than the level of the first spring-head from whence it descendeth, so knowledge derived from Aristotle, and exempted from liberty of examination, will not rise again higher than the knowledge of Aristotle. And, therefore, although the position be good, Oportet discentem credere, yet it must be coupled with this, Oportet edoctum judicare; for disciples do owe unto masters only a temporary belief and a suspension of their own judgment till they be fully instructed, and not an absolute resignation or perpetual captivity; and therefore, to conclude this point, I will say no more, but so let great authors have their due, as time, which is the author of authors, be not deprived of his due - which is, further and further to discover truth. Thus have I gone over these three diseases of learning; besides the which there are some other rather peccant humours than formed diseases, which, nevertheless, are not so secret and intrinsic, but that they fall under a popular observation and traducement, and, therefore, are not to be passed over.

V. 

(1) The first of these is the extreme affecting of two extremities: the one antiquity, the other novelty; wherein it seemeth the children of time do take after the nature and malice of the father. For as he devoureth his children, so one of them seeketh to devour and suppress the other; while antiquity envieth there should be new additions, and novelty cannot be content to add but it must deface; surely the advice of the prophet is the true direction in this matter, State super vias antiquas, et videte quænam sit via recta et bona et ambulate in ea. Antiquity deserveth that reverence, that men should make a stand thereupon and discover what is the best way; but when the discovery is well taken, then to make progression. And to speak truly, Antiquitas sæculi juventus mundi. These times are the ancient times, when the world is ancient, and not those which we account ancient ordine retrogrado, by a computation backward from ourselves.

(2) Another error induced by the former is a distrust that anything should be now to be found out, which the world should have missed and passed over so long time: as if the same objection were to be made to time that Lucian maketh to Jupiter and other the heathen gods; of which he wondereth that they begot so many children in old time, and begot none in his time; and asketh whether they were become septuagenary, or whether the law Papia, made against old men’s marriages, had restrained them. So it seemeth men doubt lest time is become past children and generation; wherein contrariwise we see commonly the levity and unconstancy of men’s judgments, which, till a matter be done, wonder that it can be done; and as soon as it is done, wonder again that it was no sooner done: as we see in the expedition of Alexander into Asia, which at first was prejudged as a vast and impossible enterprise; and yet afterwards it pleaseth Livy to make no more of it than this, Nil aliud quàm bene ausus vana contemnere. And the same happened to Columbus in the western navigation. But in intellectual matters it is much more common, as may be seen in most of the propositions of Euclid; which till they be demonstrate, they seem strange to our assent; but being demonstrate, our mind accepteth of them by a kind of relation (as the lawyers speak), as if we had known them before.

(3) Another error, that hath also some affinity with the former, is a conceit that of former opinions or sects after variety and examination the best hath still prevailed and suppressed the rest; so as if a man should begin the labour of a new search, he were but like to light upon somewhat formerly rejected, and by rejection brought into oblivion; as if the multitude, or the wisest for the multitude’s sake, were not ready to give passage rather to that which is popular and superficial than to that which is substantial and profound for the truth is, that time seemeth to be of the nature of a river or stream, which carrieth down to us that which is light and blown up, and sin-keth and drowneth that which is weighty and solid.

(4) Another error, of a diverse nature from all the former, is the over-early and pe-remptory reduction of knowledge into arts and methods; from which time commonly sciences receive small or no augmentation. But as young men, when they knit and shape perfectly, do seldom grow to a further stature, so knowledge, while it is in aphorisms and observations, it is in growth; but when it once is comprehended in exact methods, it may, perchance, be further polished, and illustrate and accommodated for use and practice, but it increaseth no more in bulk and substance.

(5) Another error which doth succeed that which we last mentioned is, that after the distribution of particular arts and sciences, men have abandoned universality, or phi-losophia prima, which cannot but cease and stop all progression. For no perfect dis-covery can be made upon a flat or a level; neither is it possible to discover the more remote and deeper parts of any science if you stand but upon the level of the same science, and ascend not to a higher science.

(6) Another error hath proceeded from too great a reverence, and a kind of adoration of the mind and understanding of man; by means whereof, men have withdrawn themselves too much from the contemplation of nature, and the observations of experience, and have tumbled up and down in their own reason and conceits. Upon these intellectualists, which are notwithstanding commonly taken for the most sublime and divine philosophers, Heraclitus gave a just censure, saying: - “Men sought truth in their own little worlds, and not in the great and common world;” for they disdain to spell, and so by degrees to read in the volume of God’s works; and contrariwise by continual meditation and agitation of wit do urge and, as it were, invocate their own spirits to divine and give oracles unto them, whereby they are deservedly deluded.

(7) Another error that hath some connection with this latter is, that men have used to infect their meditations, opinions, and doctrines with some conceits which they have most admired, or some sciences which they have most applied, and given all things else a tincture according to them, utterly untrue and improper. So hath Plato intermingled his philosophy with theology, and Aristotle with logic; and the second school of Plato, Proclus and the rest, with the mathematics; for these were the arts which had a kind of primogeniture with them severally. So have the alchemists made a philosophy out of a few experiments of the furnace; and Gilbertus our countryman hath made a philosophy out of the observations of a loadstone. So Cicero, when reciting the several opinions of the nature of the soul, he found a musician that held the soul was but a harmony, saith pleasantly, Hic ab arte sua non recessit, &amp;c. But of these conceits Aristotle speaketh seriously and wisely when he saith, Qui respiciunt ad pauca de facili pronunciant.

(8) Another error is an impatience of doubt, and haste to assertion without due and mature suspension of judgment. For the two ways of contemplation are not unlike the two ways of action commonly spoken of by the ancients: the one plain and smooth in the beginning, and in the end impassable; the other rough and troublesome in the entrance, but after a while fair and even. So it is in contemplation: if a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.

(9) Another error is in the manner of the tradition and delivery of knowledge, which is for the most part magistral and peremptory, and not ingenuous and faithful; in a sort as may be soonest believed, and not easiest examined. It is true, that in compendious treatises for practice that form is not to be disallowed; but in the true handling of knowledge men ought not to fall either on the one side into the vein of Velleius the Epicurean, Nil tam metuens quam ne dubitare aliqua de revideretur: nor, on the other side, into Socrates, his ironical doubting of all things; but to propound things sincerely with more or less asseveration, as they stand in a man’s own judgment proved more or less.

(10) Other errors there are in the scope that men propound to themselves, whereunto they bend their endeavours; for, whereas the more constant and devote kind of professors of any science ought to propound to themselves to make some additions to their science, they convert their labours to aspire to certain second prizes: as to be a profound interpreter or commentor, to be a sharp champion or defender, to be a methodical compounder or abridger, and so the patrimony of knowledge cometh to be sometimes improved, but seldom augmented.

(11) But the greatest error of all the rest is the mistaking or misplacing of the last or furthest end of knowledge. For men have entered into a desire of learning and knowledge, sometimes upon a natural curiosity and inquisitive appetite; sometimes to entertain their minds with variety and delight; sometimes for ornament and reputation; and sometimes to enable them to victory of wit and contradiction; and most times for lucre and profession; and seldom sincerely to give a true account of their gift of reason to the benefit and use of men: as if there were sought in knowledge a couch whereupon to rest a searching and restless spirit; or a terrace for a wandering and variable mind to walk up and down with a fair prospect; or a tower of state, for a proud mind to raise itself upon; or a fort or commanding ground, for strife and con-tention; or a shop, for profit or sale; and not a rich storehouse for the glory of the Creator and the relief of man’s estate. But this is that which will indeed dignify and exalt knowledge, if contemplation and action may be more nearly and straitly conjoined and united together than they have been: a conjunction like unto that of the two highest planets, Saturn, the planet of rest and contemplation; and Jupiter, the planet of civil society and action, howbeit, I do not mean, when I speak of use and action, that end before-mentioned of the applying of knowledge to lucre and profession; for I am not ignorant how much that diverteth and interrupteth the prosecution and advancement of knowledge, like unto the golden ball thrown before Atalanta, which, while she goeth aside and stoopeth to take up, the race is hindered,

“Declinat cursus, aurumque volubile tollit.” 

Neither is my meaning, as was spoken of Socrates, to call philosophy down from heaven to converse upon the earth - that is, to leave natural philosophy aside, and to apply knowledge only to manners and policy. But as both heaven and earth do conspire and contribute to the use and benefit of man, so the end ought to be, from both philosophies to separate and reject vain speculations, and whatsoever is empty and void, and to preserve and augment whatsoever is solid and fruitful; that knowledge may not be as a courtesan, for pleasure and vanity only, or as a bond-woman, to acquire and gain to her master’s use; but as a spouse, for generation, fruit, and comfort.

(12) Thus have I described and opened, as by a kind of dissection, those peccant humours (the principal of them) which have not only given impediment to the profi-cience of learning, but have given also occasion to the traducement thereof: wherein, if I have been too plain, it must be remembered, fidelia vulnera amantis, sed dolosa oscula malignantis. This I think I have gained, that I ought to be the better believed in that which I shall say pertaining to commendation; because I have proceeded so freely in that which concerneth censure. And yet I have no purpose to enter into a laudative of learning, or to make a hymn to the Muses (though I am of opinion that it is long since their rites were duly celebrated), but my intent is, without varnish or amplification justly to weigh the dignity of knowledge in the balance with other things, and to take the true value thereof by testimonies and arguments, divine and human.

VI. 

(1) First, therefore, let us seek the dignity of knowledge in the archetype or first plat-form, which is in the attributes and acts of God, as far as they are revealed to man and may be observed with sobriety; wherein we may not seek it by the name of learning, for all learning is knowledge acquired, and all knowledge in God is original, and therefore we must look for it by another name, that of wisdom or sapience, as the Scriptures call it.

(2) It is so, then, that in the work of the creation we see a double emanation of virtue from God; the one referring more properly to power, the other to wisdom; the one expressed in making the subsistence of the matter, and the other in disposing the beauty of the form. This being supposed, it is to be observed that for anything which appeareth in the history of the creation, the confused mass and matter of heaven and earth was made in a moment, and the order and disposition of that chaos or mass was the work of six days; such a note of difference it pleased God to put upon the works of power, and the works of wisdom; wherewith concurreth, that in the former it is not set down that God said, “Let there be heaven and earth,” as it is set down of the works following; but actually, that God made heaven and earth: the one carrying the style of a manufacture, and the other of a law, decree, or counsel.

(3) To proceed, to that which is next in order from God, to spirits: we find, as far as credit is to be given to the celestial hierarchy of that supposed Dionysius, the senator of Athens, the first place or degree is given to the angels of love, which are termed seraphim; the second to the angels of light, which are termed cherubim; and the third, and so following places, to thrones, principalities, and the rest, which are all angels of power and ministry; so as this angels of knowledge and illumination are placed before the angels of office and domination.

(4) To descend from spirits and intellectual forms to sensible and material forms, we read the first form that was created was light, which hath a relation and correspondence in nature and corporal things to knowledge in spirits and incorporal things.

(5) So in the distribution of days we see the day wherein God did rest and contemplate His own works was blessed above all the days wherein He did effect and accomplish them.

(6) After the creation was finished, it is set down unto us that man was placed in the garden to work therein; which work, so appointed to him, could be no other than work of contemplation; that is, when the end of work is but for exercise and expe-riment, not for necessity; for there being then no reluctation of the creature, nor sweat of the brow, man’s employment must of consequence have been matter of delight in the experiment, and not matter of labour for the use. Again, the first acts which man performed in Paradise consisted of the two summary parts of knowledge; the view of creatures, and the imposition of names. As for the knowledge which induced the fall, it was, as was touched before, not the natural knowledge of creatures, but the moral knowledge of good and evil; wherein the supposition was, that God’s commandments or prohibitions were not the originals of good and evil, but that they had other beginnings, which man aspired to know, to the end to make a total defection from God and to depend wholly upon himself.

(7) To pass on: in the first event or occurrence after the fall of man, we see (as the Scriptures have infinite mysteries, not violating at all the truth of this story or letter) an image of the two estates, the contemplative state and the active state, figured in the two persons of Abel and Cain, and in the two simplest and most primitive trades of life; that of the shepherd (who, by reason of his leisure, rest in a place, and lying in view of heaven, is a lively image of a contemplative life), and that of the husbandman, where we see again the favour and election of God went to the shepherd, and not to the tiller of the ground.

(8) So in the age before the flood, the holy records within those few memorials which are there entered and registered have vouchsafed to mention and honour the name of the inventors and authors of music and works in metal. In the age after the flood, the first great judgment of God upon the ambition of man was the confusion of tongues; whereby the open trade and intercourse of learning and knowledge was chiefly imbarred.

(9) To descend to Moses the lawgiver, and God’s first pen: he is adorned by the Scriptures with this addition and commendation, “That he was seen in all the learning of the Egyptians,” which nation we know was one of the most ancient schools of the world: for so Plato brings in the Egyptian priest saying unto Solon, “You Grecians are ever children; you have no knowledge of antiquity, nor antiquity of knowledge.” Take a view of the ceremonial law of Moses; you shall find, besides the prefiguration of Christ, the badge or difference of the people of God, the exercise and impression of obedience, and other divine uses and fruits thereof, that some of the most learned Rabbins have travailed profitably and profoundly to observe, some of them a natural, some of them a moral sense, or reduction of many of the ceremonies and ordinances. As in the law of the leprosy, where it is said, “If the whiteness have overspread the flesh, the patient may pass abroad for clean; but if there be any whole flesh remaining, he is to be shut up for unclean;” one of them noteth a principle of nature, that putrefaction is more contagious before maturity than after; and another noteth a position of moral philosophy, that men abandoned to vice do not so much corrupt manners, as those that are half good and half evil. So in this and very many other places in that law, there is to be found, besides the theological sense, much aspersion of philosophy.

(10) So likewise in that excellent hook of Job, if it be revolved with diligence, it will be found pregnant and swelling with natural philosophy; as for example, cosmography, and the roundness of the world, Qui extendit aquilonem super vacuum, et appendit terram super nihilum; wherein the pensileness of the earth, the pole of the north, and the finiteness or convexity of heaven are manifestly touched. So again, matter of astronomy: Spiritus ejus ornavit cælos, et obstetricante manu ejus eductus est Coluber tortuoses. And in another place, Nunquid conjungere valebis micantes stellas Pleiadas, aut gyrum Arcturi poteris dissipare? Where the fixing of the stars, ever standing at equal distance, is with great elegancy noted. And in another place, Qui facit Arcturum, et Oriona, et Hyadas, et interiora Austri; where again he takes knowledge of the depression of the southern pole, calling it the secrets of the south, because the southern stars were in that climate unseen. Matter of generation: Annon sicut lac mulsisti me, et sicut caseum coagulasti me? &amp;c. Matter of minerals: Habet argentum venarum suarum principia; et auro locus est in quo conflatur, ferrum de terra tollitur, et lapis solutus calore in æs vertitur; and so forwards in that chapter.

(11) So likewise in the person of Solomon the king, we see the gift or endowment of wisdom and learning, both in Solomon’s petition and in God’s assent thereunto, pre-ferred before all other terrene and temporal felicity. By virtue of which grant or donative of God Solomon became enabled not only to write those excellent parables or aphorisms concerning divine and moral philosophy, but also to compile a natural his-tory of all verdure, from the cedar upon the mountain to the moss upon the wall (which is but a rudiment between putrefaction and an herb), and also of all things that breathe or move. Nay, the same Solomon the king, although he excelled in the glory of treasure and magnificent buildings, of shipping and navigation, of service and attendance, of fame and renown, and the like, yet he maketh no claim to any of those glories, but only to the glory of inquisition of truth; for so he saith expressly, “The glory of God is to conceal a thing, but the glory of the king is to find it out;” as if, according to the innocent play of children, the Divine Majesty took delight to hide His works, to the end to have them found out; and as if kings could not obtain a greater honour than to be God’s playfellows in that game; considering the great commandment of wits and means, whereby nothing needeth to be hidden from them.

(12) Neither did the dispensation of God vary in the times after our Saviour came into the world; for our Saviour himself did first show His power to subdue ignorance, by His conference with the priests and doctors of the law, before He showed His power to subdue nature by His miracles. And the coming of this Holy Spirit was chiefly figured and expressed in the similitude and gift of tongues, which are but vehicula scientiæ.

(13) So in the election of those instruments, which it pleased God to use for the plantation of the faith, notwithstanding that at the first He did employ persons alto-gether unlearned, otherwise than by inspiration, more evidently to declare His imme-diate working, and to abase all human wisdom or knowledge; yet nevertheless that counsel of His was no sooner performed, but in the next vicissitude and succession He did send His divine truth into the world, waited on with other learnings, as with servants or handmaids: for so we see St. Paul, who was only learned amongst the Apostles, had his pen most used in the Scriptures of the New Testament.

(14) So again we find that many of the ancient bishops and fathers of the Church were excellently read and studied in all the learning of this heathen; insomuch that the edict of the Emperor Julianus (whereby it was interdicted unto Christians to be admitted into schools, lectures, or exercises of learning) was esteemed and accounted a more pernicious engine and machination against the Christian Faith than were all the sanguinary prosecutions of his predecessors; neither could the emulation and jealousy of Gregory, the first of that name, Bishop of Rome, ever obtain the opinion of piety or devotion; but contrariwise received the censure of humour, malignity, and pusillanimity, even amongst holy men; in that he designed to obliterate and extinguish the memory of heathen antiquity and authors. But contrariwise it was the Christian Church, which, amidst the inundations of the Scythians on the one side from the north-west, and the Saracens from the east, did preserve in the sacred lap and bosom thereof the precious relics even of heathen learning, which otherwise had been extinguished, as if no such thing had ever been.

(15) And we see before our eyes, that in the age of ourselves and our fathers, when it pleased God to call the Church of Rome to account for their degenerate manners and ceremonies, and sundry doctrines obnoxious and framed to uphold the same abuses; at one and the same time it was ordained by the Divine Providence that there should attend withal a renovation and new spring of all other knowledges. And on the other side we see the Jesuits, who partly in themselves, and partly by the emulation and provocation of their example, have much quickened and strengthened the state of learning; we see (I say) what notable service and reparation they have done to the Roman see.

(16) Wherefore, to conclude this part, let it be observed, that there be two principal duties and services, besides ornament and illustration, which philosophy and human learning do perform to faith and religion. The one, because they are an effectual in-ducement to the exaltation of the glory of God. For as the Psalms and other Scriptures do often invite us to consider and magnify the great and wonderful works of God, so if we should rest only in the contemplation of the exterior of them as they first offer themselves to our senses, we should do a like injury unto the majesty of God, as if we should judge or construe of the store of some excellent jeweller by that only which is set out toward the street in his shop. The other, because they minister a singular help and preservative against unbelief and error. For our Saviour saith, “You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God;” laying before us two books or volumes to study, if we will be secured from error: first the Scriptures, revealing the will of God, and then the creatures expressing His power; whereof the latter is a key unto the former: not only opening our understanding to conceive the true sense of the Scriptures by the general notions of reason and rules of speech, but chiefly opening our belief, in drawing us into a due meditation of the omnipotency of God, which is chiefly signed and engraven upon His works. Thus much therefore for divine testimony and evidence concerning the true dignity and value of learning.

VII. 

(1) As for human proofs, it is so large a field, as in a discourse of this nature and brevity it is fit rather to use choice of those things which we shall produce, than to embrace the variety of them. First, therefore, in the degrees of human honour amongst the heathen, it was the highest to obtain to a veneration and adoration as a God. This unto the Christians is as the forbidden fruit. But we speak now separately of human testimony, according to which - that which the Grecians call apotheosis, and the Latins relatio inter divos - was the supreme honour which man could attribute unto man, specially when it was given, not by a formal decree or act of state (as it was used among the Roman Emperors), but by an inward assent and belief. Which honour, being so high, had also a degree or middle term; for there were reckoned above human honours, honours heroical and divine: in the attribution and distribution of which honours we see antiquity made this difference; that whereas founders and uniters of states and cities, lawgivers, extirpers of tyrants, fathers of the people, and other eminent persons in civil merit, were honoured but with the titles of worthies or demigods, such as were Hercules, Theseus, Minus, Romulus, and the like; on the other side, such as were inventors and authors of new arts, endowments, and commodities towards man’s life, were ever consecrated amongst the gods themselves, as was Ceres, Bacchus, Mercurius, Apollo, and others. And justly; for the merit of the former is confined within the circle of an age or a nation, and is like fruitful showers, which though they be profitable and good, yet serve but for that season, and for a latitude of ground where they fall; but the other is, indeed, like the benefits of heaven, which are permanent and universal. The former again is mixed with strife and perturbation, but the latter hath the true character of Divine Presence, coming in aura leni, without noise or agitation.

(2) Neither is certainly that other merit of learning, in repressing the inconveniences which grow from man to man, much inferior to the former, of relieving the necessities which arise from nature, which merit was lively set forth by the ancients in that feigned relation of Orpheus’ theatre, where all beasts and birds assembled, and, forgetting their several appetites - some of prey, some of game, some of quarrel - stood all sociably together listening unto the airs and accords of the harp, the sound whereof no sooner ceased, or was drowned by some louder noise, but every beast returned to his own nature; wherein is aptly described the nature and condition of men, who are full of savage and unreclaimed desires, of profit, of lust, of revenge; which as long as they give ear to precepts, to laws, to religion, sweetly touched with eloquence and persuasion of books, of sermons, of harangues, so long is society and peace maintained; but if these instruments be silent, or that sedition and tumult make them not audible, all things dissolve into anarchy and confusion.

(3) But this appeareth more manifestly when kings themselves, or persons of authority under them, or other governors in commonwealths and popular estates, are endued with learning. For although he might be thought partial to his own profession that said “Then should people and estates be happy when either kings were philosophers, or philosophers kings;” yet so much is verified by experience, that under learned princes and governors there have been ever the best times: for howsoever kings may have their imperfections in their passions and customs, yet, if they be illuminate by learning, they have those notions of religion, policy, and morality, which do preserve them and refrain them from all ruinous and peremptory errors and excesses, whispering evermore in their ears, when counsellors and servants stand mute and silent. And senators or counsellors, likewise, which be learned, to proceed upon more safe and substantial principles, than counsellors which are only men of experience; the one sort keeping dangers afar off, whereas the other discover them not till they come near hand, and then trust to the agility of their wit to ward or avoid them.

(4) Which felicity of times under learned princes (to keep still the law of brevity, by using the most eminent and selected examples) doth best appear in the age which passed from the death of Domitianus the emperor until the reign of Commodus; comprehending a succession of six princes, all learned, or singular favourers and ad-vancers of learning, which age for temporal respects was the most happy and flou-rishing that ever the Roman Empire (which then was a model of the world) enjoyed - a matter revealed and prefigured unto Domitian in a dream the night before he was slain: for he thought there was grown behind upon his shoulders a neck and a head of gold, which came accordingly to pass in those golden times which succeeded; of which princes we will make some commemoration; wherein, although the matter will be vulgar, and may be thought fitter for a declamation than agreeable to a treatise infolded as this is, yet, because it is pertinent to the point in hand - Neque semper arcum tendit Apollo - and to name them only were too naked and cursory, I will not omit it altogether. The first was Nerva, the excellent temper of whose government is by a glance in Cornelius Tacitus touched to the life: Postquam divus Nerva res oluim insociabiles miscuisset, imperium et libertatem. And in token of his learning, the last act of his short reign left to memory was a missive to his adopted son, Trajan, pro-ceeding upon some inward discontent at the ingratitude of the times, comprehended in a verse of Homer’s -

“Telis, Phœbe, tuis, lacrymas ulciscere nostras.”

(5) Trajan, who succeeded, was for his person not learned; but if we will hearken to the speech of our Saviour, that saith, “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall have a prophet’s reward,” he deserveth to be placed amongst the most learned princes; for there was not a greater admirer of learning or benefactor of learning, a founder of famous libraries, a perpetual advancer of learned men to office, and familiar converser with learned professors and preceptors who were noted to have then most credit in court. On the other side how much Trajan’s virtue and government was admired and renowned, surely no testimony of grave and faithful history doth more lively set forth than that legend tale of Gregorius Magnum, Bishop of Rome, who was noted for the extreme envy he bare towards all heathen excellency; and yet he is reported, out of the love and estimation of Trajan’s moral virtues, to have made unto God passionate and fervent prayers for the delivery of his soul out of hell, and to have obtained it, with a caveat that he should make no more such petitions. In this prince’s time also the persecutions against the Christians received intermission upon the certificate of Plinius Secundus, a man of excellent learning and by Trajan advanced.

(6) Adrian, his successor, was the most curious man that lived, and the most universal inquirer: insomuch as it was noted for an error in his mind that he desired to com-prehend all things, and not to reserve himself for the worthiest things, falling into the like humour that was long before noted in Philip of Macedon, who, when he would needs overrule and put down an excellent musician in an argument touching music, was well answered by him again - “God forbid, sir,” saith he, “that your fortune should be so bad as to know these things better than I.” It pleased God likewise to use the curiosity of this emperor as an inducement to the peace of His Church in those days; for having Christ in veneration, not as a God or Saviour, but as a wonder or novelty, and having his picture in his gallery matched with Apollonius (with whom in his vain imagination he thought its had some conformity), yet it served the turn to allay the bitter hatred of those times against the Christian name, so as the Church had peace during his time. And for his government civil, although he did not attain to that of Trajan’s in glory of arms or perfection of justice, yet in deserving of the weal of the subject he did exceed him. For Trajan erected many famous monuments and buildings, insomuch as Constantine the Great in emulation was wont to call him Parietaria, “wall-flower,” because his name was upon so many walls; but his buildings and works were more of glory and triumph than use and necessity. But Adrian spent his whole reign, which was peaceable, in a perambulation or survey of the Roman Empire, giving order and making assignation where he went for re-edifying of cities, towns, and forts decayed, and for cutting of rivers and streams, and for making bridges and passages, and for policing of cities and commonalties with new ordinances and constitutions, and granting new franchises and incorporations; so that his whole time was a very restoration of all the lapses and decays of former times.

(7) Antoninus Pius, who succeeded him, was a prince excellently learned, and had the patient and subtle wit of a schoolman, insomuch as in common speech (which leaves no virtue untaxed) he was called Cymini Sector, a carver or a divider of cummin seed, which is one of the least seeds. Such a patience he had and settled spirit to enter into the least and most exact differences of causes, a fruit no doubt of the exceeding tranquillity and serenity of his mind, which being no ways charged or encumbered, either with fears, remorses, or scruples, but having been noted for a man of the purest goodness, without all fiction or affectation, that hath reigned or lived, made his mind continually present and entire. He likewise approached a degree nearer unto Christianity, and became, as Agrippa said unto St. Paul, “half a Christian,” holding their religion and law in good opinion, and not only ceasing persecution, but giving way to the advancement of Christians.

(5) There succeeded him the first Divi fratres, the two adoptive brethren - Lucius Commodus Verus, son to Ælius Verus, who delighted much in the softer kind of learning, and was wont to call the poet Martial his Virgil; and Marcus Aurelius Anto-ninus: whereof the latter, who obscured his colleague and survived him long, was named the “Philosopher,” who, as he excelled all the rest in learning, so he excelled them likewise in perfection of all royal virtues; insomuch as Julianus the emperor, in his book entitled Cærsares, being as a pasquil or satire to deride all his predecessors, feigned that they were all invited to a banquet of the gods, and Silenus the jester sat at the nether end of the table and bestowed a scoff on everyone as they came in; but when Marcus Philosophus came in, Silenus was gravelled and out of countenance, not knowing where to carp at him, save at the last he gave a glance at his patience towards his wife. And the virtue of this prince, continued with that of his predecessor, made the name of Antoninus so sacred in the world, that though it were extremely dishonoured in Commodus, Caracalla, and Heliogabalus, who all bare the name, yet, when Alexander Severus refused the name because he was a stranger to the family, the Senate with one acclamation said, Quomodo Augustus, sic et Antoninus. In such renown and veneration was the name of these two princes in those days, that they would have had it as a perpetual addition in all the emperors’ style. In this emperor’s time also the Church for the most part was in peace; so as in this sequence of six princes we do see the blessed effects of learning in sovereignty, painted forth in the greatest table of the world.

(9) But for a tablet or picture of smaller volume (not presuming to speak of your Majesty that liveth), in my judgment the most excellent is that of Queen Elizabeth, your immediate predecessor in this part of Britain; a prince that, if Plutarch were now alive to write lives by parallels, would trouble him, I think, to find for her a parallel amongst women. This lady was endued with learning in her sex singular, and rare even amongst masculine princes - whether we speak of learning, of language, or of science, modern or ancient, divinity or humanity - and unto the very last year of her life she accustomed to appoint set hours for reading, scarcely any young student in a university more daily or more duly. As for her government, I assure myself (I shall not exceed if I do affirm) that this part of the island never had forty-five years of better tines, and yet not through the calmness of the season, but through the wisdom of her regiment. For if there be considered, of the one side, the truth of religion established, the constant peace and security, the good administration of justice, the temperate use of the prerogative, not slackened, nor much strained; the flourishing state of learning, sortable to so excellent a patroness; the convenient estate of wealth and means, both of crown and subject; the habit of obedience, and the moderation of discontents; and there be considered, on the other side, the differences of religion, the troubles of neighbour countries, the ambition of Spain, and opposition of Rome, and then that she was solitary and of herself; these things, I say, considered, as I could not have chosen an instance so recent and so proper, so I suppose I could not have chosen one more remarkable or eminent to the purpose now in hand, which is concerning the conjunction of learning in the prince with felicity in the people.

(10) Neither hath learning an influence and operation only upon civil merit and moral virtue, and the arts or temperature of peace and peaceable government; but likewise it hath no less power and efficacy in enablement towards martial and military virtue and prowess, as may be notably represented in the examples of Alexander the Great and Cæsar the Dictator (mentioned before, but now in fit place to be resumed), of whose virtues and acts in war there needs no note or recital, having been the wonders of time in that kind; but of their affections towards learning and perfections in learning it is pertinent to say somewhat.

(11) Alexander was bred and taught under Aristotle, the great philosopher, who dedi-cated divers of his books of philosophy unto him; he was attended with Callisthenes and divers other learned persons, that followed him in camp, throughout his journeys and conquests. What price and estimation he had learning in doth notably appear in these three particulars: first, in the envy he used to express that he bare towards Achilles, in this, that he had so good a trumpet of his praises as Homer’s verses; se-condly, in the judgment or solution he gave touching that precious cabinet of Darius, which was found among his jewels (whereof question was made what thing was wor-thy to be put into it, and he gave his opinion for Homer’s works); thirdly, in his letter to Aristotle, after he had set forth his books of nature, wherein he expostulateth with him for publishing the secrets or mysteries of philosophy; and gave him to understand that himself esteemed it more to excel other men in learning and knowledge than in power and empire. And what use he had of learning doth appear, or rather shine, in all his speeches and answers, being full of science and use of science, and that in all variety.

(12) And herein again it may seem a thing scholastical, and somewhat idle to recite things that every man knoweth; but yet, since the argument I handle leadeth me the-reunto, I am glad that men shall perceive I am as willing to flatter (if they will so call it) an Alexander, or a Cæsar, or an Antoninus, that are dead many hundred years since, as any that now liveth; for it is the displaying of the glory of learning in sovereignty that I propound to myself, and not a humour of declaiming in any man’s praises. Observe, then, the speech he used of Diogenes, and see if it tend not to the true state of one of the greatest questions of moral philosophy: whether the enjoying of outward things, or the contemning of them, be the greatest happiness; for when he saw Diogenes so perfectly contented with so little, he said to those that mocked at his condition, “were I not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes.” But Seneca inverteth it, and saith, “Plus erat, quod hic nollet accipere, quàm quod ille posset dare.” There were more things which Diogenes would have refused than those were which Alexander could have given or enjoyed.

(13) Observe, again, that speech which was usual with him, - “That he felt his mortality chiefly in two things, sleep and lust;” and see if it were not a speech extracted out of the depth of natural philosophy, and liker to have come out of the mouth of Aristotle or Democritus than from Alexander.

(14) See, again, that speech of humanity and poesy, when, upon the bleeding of his wounds, he called unto him one of his flatterers, that was wont to ascribe to him di-vine honour, and said, “Look, this is very blood; this is not such a liquor as Homer speaketh of, which ran from Venus’ hand when it was pierced by Diomedes.”

(15) See likewise his readiness in reprehension of logic in the speech he used to Cas-sander, upon a complaint that was made against his father Antipater; for when Alex-ander happened to say, “Do you think these men would have come from so far to complain except they had just cause of grief?” and Cassander answered, “Yea, that was the matter, because they thought they should not be disproved;” said Alexander, laughing, “See the subtleties of Aristotle, to take a matter both ways, pro et contra, &amp;c.”

(16) But note, again, how well he could use the same art which he reprehended to serve his own humour: when bearing a secret grudge to Callisthenes, because he was against the new ceremony of his adoration, feasting one night where the same Callisthenes was at the table, it was moved by some after supper, for entertainment sake, that Callisthenes, who was an eloquent man, might speak of some theme or purpose at his own choice; which Callisthenes did, choosing the praise of the Macedonian nation for his discourse, and performing the same with so good manner as the hearers were much ravished; whereupon Alexander, nothing pleased, said, “It was easy to be eloquent upon so good a subject; but,” saith he, “turn your style, and let us hear what you can say against us;” which Callisthenes presently undertook, and did with that sting and life that Alexander interrupted him, and said, “The goodness of the cause made him eloquent before, and despite made him eloquent then again.”

(17) Consider further, for tropes of rhetoric, that excellent use of a metaphor or translation, wherewith he taxeth Antipater, who was an imperious and tyrannous governor; for when one of Antipater’s friends commended him to Alexander for his moderation, that he did not degenerate as his other lieutenants did into the Persian pride, in uses of purple, but kept the ancient habit of Macedon, of black. “True,” saith Alexander; “but Antipater is all purple within.” Or that other, when Parmenio came to him in the plain of Arbela and showed him the innumerable multitude of his enemies, specially as they appeared by the infinite number of lights as it had been a new firmament of stars, and thereupon advised him to assail them by night; whereupon he answered, “That he would not steal the victory.”

(18) For matter of policy, weigh that significant distinction, so much in all ages em-braced, that he made between his two friends Hephæstion and Craterus, when he said, “That the one loved Alexander, and the other loved the king:” describing the principal difference of princes’ best servants, that some in affection love their person, and other in duty love their crown.

(19) Weigh also that excellent taxation of an error, ordinary with counsellors of princes, that they counsel their masters according to the model of their own mind and fortune, and not of their masters. When upon Darius’ great offers Parmenio had said, “Surely I would accept these offers were I as Alexander;” saith Alexander, “So would I were I as Parmenio.”

(20) Lastly, weigh that quick and acute reply which he made when he gave so large gifts to his friends and servants, and was asked what he did reserve for himself, and he answered, “Hope.” Weigh, I say, whether he had not cast up his account aright, because hope must be the portion of all that resolve upon great enterprises; for this was Cæsar’s portion when he went first into Gaul, his estate being then utterly overthrown with largesses. And this was likewise the portion of that noble prince, howsoever transported with ambition, Henry Duke of Guise, of whom it was usually said that he was the greatest usurer in France, because he had turned all his estate into obligations.

(21) To conclude, therefore, as certain critics are used to say hyperbolically, “That if all sciences were lost they might be found in Virgil,” so certainly this may be said truly, there are the prints and footsteps of learning in those few speeches which are reported of this prince, the admiration of whom, when I consider him not as Alexander the Great, but as Aristotle’s scholar, hath carried me too far.

(22) As for Julius Cæsar, the excellency of his learning needeth not to be argued from his education, or his company, or his speeches; but in a further degree doth declare itself in his writings and works: whereof some are extant and permanent, and some unfortunately perished. For first, we see there is left unto us that excellent history of his own wars, which he entitled only a Commentary, wherein all succeeding times have admired the solid weight of matter, and the real passages and lively images of actions and persons, expressed in the greatest propriety of words and perspicuity of narration that ever was; which that it was not the effect of a natural gift, but of learning and precept, is well witnessed by that work of his entitled De Analogia, being a grammatical philosophy, wherein he did labour to make this same Vox ad placitum to become Vox ad licitum, and to reduce custom of speech to congruity of speech; and took as it were the pictures of words from the life of reason.

(23) So we receive from him, as a monument both of his power and learning, the then reformed computation of the year; well expressing that he took it to be as great a glory to himself to observe and know the law of the heavens, as to give law to men upon the earth.

(24) So likewise in that book of his, Anti-Cato, it may easily appear that he did aspire as well to victory of wit as victory of war: undertaking therein a conflict against the greatest champion with the pen that then lived, Cicero the orator.

(25) So, again, in his book of Apophthegms, which he collected, we see that he es-teemed it more honour to make himself but a pair of tables, to take the wise and pithy words of others, than to have every word of his own to be made an apophthegm or an oracle, as vain princes, by custom of flattery, pretend to do. And yet if I should enumerate divers of his speeches, as I did those of Alexander, they are truly such as Solomon noteth, when he saith, Verba sapientum tanquam aculei, et tanquam clavi in altum defixi: whereof I will only recite three, not so delectable for elegancy, but ad-mirable for vigour and efficacy.

(26) As first, it is reason he be thought a master of words, that could with one word appease a mutiny in his army, which was thus: The Romans, when their generals did speak to their army, did use the word Milites, but when the magistrates spake to the people they did use the word Quirites. The soldiers were in tumult, and seditiously prayed to be cashiered; not that they so meant, but by expostulation thereof to draw Cæsar to other conditions; wherein he being resolute not to give way, after some si-lence, he began his speech, Ego Quirites, which did admit them already cashiered - wherewith they were so surprised, crossed, and confused, as they would not suffer him to go on in his speech, but relinquished their demands, and made it their suit to be again called by the name of Milites.

(27) The second speech was thus: Cæsar did extremely affect the name of king; and some were set on as he passed by in popular acclamation to salute him king. Whe-reupon, finding the cry weak and poor, he put it off thus, in a kind of jest, as if they had mistaken his surname: Non Rex sum, sed Cæsar; a speech that, if it be searched, the life and fulness of it can scarce be expressed. For, first, it was a refusal of the name, but yet not serious; again, it did signify an infinite confidence and magnanimity, as if he presumed Cæsar was the greater title, as by his worthiness it is come to pass till this day. But chiefly it was a speech of great allurement toward his own purpose, as if the state did strive with him but for a name, whereof mean families were vested; for Rex was a surname with the Romans, as well as King is with us.

(28) The last speech which I will mention was used to Metellus, when Cæsar, after war declared, did possess himself of this city of Rome; at which time, entering into the inner treasury to take the money there accumulate, Metellus, being tribune, forbade him. Whereto Cæsar said, “That if he did not desist, he would lay him dead in the place.” And presently taking himself up, he added, “Young man, it is harder for me to speak it than to do it - Adolescens, durius est mihi hoc dicere quàm facere.” A speech compounded of the greatest terror and greatest clemency that could proceed out of the mouth of man.

(29) But to return and conclude with him, it is evident himself knew well his own perfection in learning, and took it upon him, as appeared when upon occasion that some spake what a strange resolution it was in Lucius Sylla to resign his dictators, he, scoffing at him to his own advantage, answered, “That Sylla could not skill of letters, and therefore knew not how to dictate.”

(30) And here it were fit to leave this point, touching the concurrence of military virtue and learning (for what example should come with any grace after those two of Alexander and Cæsar?), were it not in regard of the rareness of circumstance, that I find in one other particular, as that which did so suddenly pass from extreme scorn to extreme wonder: and it is of Xenophon the philosopher, who went from Socrates’ school into Asia in the expedition of Cyrus the younger against King Artaxerxes. This Xenophon at that time was very young, and never had seen the wars before, neither had any command in the army, but only followed the war as a voluntary, for the love and conversation of Proxenus, his friend. He was present when Falinus came in message from the great king to the Grecians, after that Cyrus was slain in the field, and they, a handful of men, left to themselves in the midst of the king’s territories, cut off from their country by many navigable rivers and many hundred miles. The message imported that they should deliver up their arms and submit themselves to the king’s mercy. To which message, before answer was made, divers of the army conferred familiarly with Falinus; and amongst the rest Xenophon happened to say, “Why, Falinus, we have now but these two things left, our arms and our virtue; and if we yield up our arms, how shall we make use of our virtue?” Whereto Falinus, smiling on him, said, “If I be not deceived, young gentleman, you are an Athenian, and I believe you study philosophy, and it is pretty that you say; but you are much abused if you think your virtue can withstand the king’s power.” Here was the scorn; the wonder followed: which was that this young scholar or philosopher, after all the captains were murdered in parley by treason, conducted those ten thousand foot, through the heart of all the king’s high countries, from Babylon to Græcia in safety, in despite of all the king’s forces, to the astonishment of the world, and the encouragement of the Grecians in times succeeding to make invasion upon the kings of Persia, as was after purposed by Jason the Thessalian, attempted by Agesilaus the Spartan, and achieved by Alexander the Macedonian, all upon the ground of the act of that young scholar.

VIII. 

(1) To proceed now from imperial and military virtue to moral and private virtue; first, it is an assured truth, which is contained in the verses:-

“Scilicet ingenuas didicisse fideliter artes

Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros.”

It taketh away the wildness and barbarism and fierceness of men’s minds; but indeed the accent had need be upon fideliter; for a little superficial learning doth rather work a contrary effect. It taketh away all levity, temerity, and insolency, by copious suggestion of all doubts and difficulties, and acquainting the mind to balance reasons on both sides, and to turn back the first offers and conceits of the mind, and to accept of nothing but examined and tried. It taketh away vain admiration of anything, which is the root of all weakness. For all things are admired, either because they are new, or because they are great. For novelty, no man that wadeth in learning or contemplation thoroughly but will find that printed in his heart, Nil novi super terram. Neither can any man marvel at the play of puppets, that goeth behind the curtain, and adviseth well of the motion. And for magnitude, as Alexander the Great, after that he was used to great armies, and the great conquests of the spacious provinces in Asia, when he received letters out of Greece, of some fights and services there, which were commonly for a passage or a fort, or some walled town at the most, he said: - “It seemed to him that he was advertised of the battles of the frogs and the mice, that the old tales went of.” So certainly, if a man meditate much upon the universal frame of nature, the earth with men upon it (the divineness of souls except) will not seem much other than an ant-hill, whereas some ants carry corn, and some carry their young, and some go empty, and all to and fro a little heap of dust. It taketh away or mitigateth fear of death or adverse fortune, which is one of the greatest impediments of virtue and imperfections of manners. For if a man’s mind be deeply seasoned with the consideration of the mortality and corruptible nature of things, he will easily concur with Epictetus, who went forth one day and saw a woman weeping for her pitcher of earth that was broken, and went forth the next day and saw a woman weeping for her son that was dead, and thereupon said, “Heri vidi fragilem frangi, hodie vidi mortalem mori.” And, therefore, Virgil did excellently and profoundly couple the knowledge of causes and the conquest of all fears together, as concomitantia.

“Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas,

Quique metus omnes, et inexorabile fatum

Subjecit pedibus, strepitumque Acherontis avari.”

(2) It were too long to go over the particular remedies which learning doth minister to all the diseases of the mind: sometimes purging the ill humours, sometimes opening the obstructions, sometimes helping digestion, sometimes increasing appetite, sometimes healing the wounds and exulcerations thereof, and the like; and, therefore, I will conclude with that which hath rationem totius - which is, that it disposeth the constitution of the mind not to be fixed or settled in the defects thereof, but still to be capable and susceptible of growth and reformation. For the unlearned man knows not what it is to descend into himself, or to call himself to account, nor the pleasure of that suavissima vita, indies sentire se fieri meliorem. The good parts he hath he will learn to show to the full, and use them dexterously, but not much to increase them. The faults he hath he will learn how to hide and colour them, but not much to amend them; like an ill mower, that mows on still, and never whets his scythe. Whereas with the learned man it fares otherwise, that he doth ever intermix the correction and amendment of his mind with the use and employment thereof. Nay, further, in general and in sum, certain it is that Veritas and Bonitas differ but as the seal and the print; for truth prints goodness, and they be the clouds of error which descend in the storms of passions and perturbations.

(3) From moral virtue let us pass on to matter of power and commandment, and consider whether in right reason there be any comparable with that wherewith know-ledge investeth and crowneth man’s nature. We see the dignity of the commandment is according to the dignity of the commanded; to have commandment over beasts as herdmen have, is a thing contemptible; to have commandment over children as schoolmasters have, is a matter of small honour; to have commandment over galley-slaves is a disparagement rather than an honour. Neither is the commandment of ty-rants much better, over people which have put off the generosity of their minds; and, therefore, it was ever holden that honours in free monarchies and commonwealths had a sweetness more than in tyrannies, because the commandment extendeth more over the wills of men, and not only over their deeds and services. And therefore, when Virgil putteth himself forth to attribute to Augustus Cæsar the best of human honours, he doth it in these words:-

“Victorque volentes

Per populos dat jura, viamque affectat Olympo.”

But yet the commandment of knowledge is yet higher than the commandment over the will; for it is a commandment over the reason, belief, and understanding of man, which is the highest part of the mind, and giveth law to the will itself. For there is no power on earth which setteth up a throne or chair of estate in the spirits and souls of men, and in their cogitations, imaginations, opinions, and beliefs, but knowledge and learning. And therefore we see the detestable and extreme pleasure that arch-heretics, and false prophets, and impostors are transported with, when they once find in themselves that they have a superiority in the faith and conscience of men; so great as if they have once tasted of it, it is seldom seen that any torture or persecution can make them relinquish or abandon it. But as this is that which the author of the Revelation calleth the depth or profoundness of Satan, so by argument of contraries, the just and lawful sovereignty over men’s understanding, by force of truth rightly interpreted, is that which approacheth nearest to the similitude of the divine rule.

(4) As for fortune and advancement, the beneficence of learning is not so confined to give fortune only to states and commonwealths, as it doth not likewise give fortune to particular persons. For it was well noted long ago, that Homer hath given more men their livings, than either Sylla, or Cæsar, or Augustus ever did, notwithstanding their great largesses and donatives, and distributions of lands to so many legions. And no doubt it is hard to say whether arms or learning have advanced greater numbers. And in case of sovereignty we see, that if arms or descent have carried away the kingdom, yet learning hath carried the priesthood, which ever hath been in some competition with empire.

(5) Again, for the pleasure and delight of knowledge and learning, it far surpasseth all other in nature. For, shall the pleasures of the affections so exceed the pleasure of the sense, as much as the obtaining of desire or victory exceedeth a song or a dinner? and must not of consequence the pleasures of the intellect or understanding exceed the pleasures of the affections? We see in all other pleasures there is satiety, and after they be used, their verdure departeth, which showeth well they be but deceits of pleasure, and not pleasures; and that it was the novelty which pleased, and not the quality. And, therefore, we see that voluptuous men turn friars, and ambitions princes turn melancholy. But of knowledge there is no satiety, but satisfaction and appetite are perpetually interchangeable; and, therefore, appeareth to be good in itself simply, without fallacy or accident. Neither is that pleasure of small efficacy and contentment to the mind of man, which the poet Lucretius describeth elegantly:-

“Suave mari magno, turbantibus æquora ventis, &amp;c.”

“It is a view of delight,” saith he, “to stand or walk upon the shore side, and to see a ship tossed with tempest upon the sea; or to be in a fortified tower, and to see two battles join upon a plain. But it is a pleasure incomparable, for the mind of man to be settled, landed, and fortified in the certainty of truth; and from thence to descry and behold the errors, perturbations, labours, and wanderings up and down of other men.

(6) Lastly, leaving the vulgar arguments, that by learning man excelleth man in that wherein man excelleth beasts; that by learning man ascendeth to the heavens and their motions, where in body he cannot come; and the like: let us conclude with the dignity and excellency of knowledge and learning in that whereunto man’s nature doth most aspire, which is immortality, or continuance; for to this tendeth generation, and raising of houses and families; to this tend buildings, foundations, and monuments; to this tendeth the desire of memory, fame, and celebration; and in effect the strength of all other human desires. We see then how far the monuments of wit and learning are more durable than the monuments of power or of the hands. For have not the verses of Homer continued twenty-five hundred years, or more, without the loss of a syllable or letter; during which the infinite palaces, temples, castles, cities, have been decayed and demolished? It is not possible to have the true pictures or statues of Cyrus, Alexander, Cæsar, no nor of the kings or great personages of much later years; for the originals cannot last, and the copies cannot but leese of the life and truth. But the images of men’s wits and knowledges remain in books, exempted from the wrong of time and capable of perpetual renovation. Neither are they fitly to be called images, because they generate still, and cast their seeds in the minds of others, provoking and causing infinite actions and opinions in succeeding ages. So that if the invention of the ship was thought so noble, which carrieth riches and commodities from place to place, and consociateth the most remote regions in participation of their fruits, how much more are letters to be magnified, which as ships pass through the vast seas of time, and make ages so distant to participate of the wisdom, illuminations, and inventions, the one of the other? Nay, further, we see some of the philosophers which were least divine, and most immersed in the senses, and denied generally the immortality of the soul, yet came to this point, that whatsoever motions the spirit of man could act and perform without the organs of the body, they thought might remain after death, which were only those of the understanding and not of the affection; so immortal and incorruptible a thing did knowledge seem unto them to be. But we, that know by divine revelation that not only the understanding but the affections purified, not only the spirit but the body changed, shall be advanced to immortality, do disclaim in these rudiments of the senses. But it must be remembered, both in this last point, and so it may likewise be needful in other places, that in probation of the dignity of knowledge or learning, I did in the beginning separate divine testimony from human, which method I have pursued, and so handled them both apart.

(7) Nevertheless I do not pretend, and I know it will be impossible for me, by any pleading of mine, to reverse the judgment, either of Æsop’s cock, that preferred the barleycorn before the gem; or of Midas, that being chosen judge between Apollo, president of the Muses, and Pan, god of the flocks, judged for plenty; or of Paris, that judged for beauty and love against wisdom and power; or of Agrippina, occidat matrem, modo imperet, that preferred empire with any condition never so detestable; or of Ulysses, qui vetulam prætulit immortalitati, being a figure of those which prefer custom and habit before all excellency, or of a number of the like popular judgments. For these things must continue as they have been; but so will that also continue whereupon learning hath ever relied, and which faileth not: Justificata est sapientia a filiis suis.

===THE SECOND BOOK.===

TO THE KING.

1. It might seem to have more convenience, though it come often otherwise to pass (excellent King), that those which are fruitful in their generations, and have in them-selves the foresight of immortality in their descendants, should likewise be more careful of the good estate of future times, unto which they know they must transmit and commend over their dearest pledges. Queen Elizabeth was a sojourner in the world in respect of her unmarried life, and was a blessing to her own times; and yet so as the impression of her good government, besides her happy memory, is not without some effect which doth survive her. But to your Majesty, whom God hath already blessed with so much royal issue, worthy to continue and represent you for ever, and whose youthful and fruitful bed doth yet promise many the like renovations, it is proper and agreeable to be conversant not only in the transitory parts of good government, but in those acts also which are in their nature permanent and perpetual. Amongst the which (if affection do not transport me) there is not any more worthy than the further endowment of the world with sound and fruitful knowledge. For why should a few received authors stand up like Hercules’ columns, beyond which there should be no sailing or discovering, since we have so bright and benign a star as your Majesty to conduct and prosper us? To return therefore where we left, it remaineth to consider of what kind those acts are which have been undertaken and performed by kings and others for the increase and advancement of learning, wherein I purpose to speak actively, without digressing or dilating.

2. Let this ground therefore be laid, that all works are over common by amplitude of reward, by soundness of direction, and by the conjunction of labours. The first mul-tiplieth endeavour, the second preventeth error, and the third supplieth the frailty of man. But the principal of these is direction, for claudus in via antevertit cursorem extra viam; and Solomon excellently setteth it down, “If the iron be not sharp, it requireth more strength, but wisdom is that which prevaileth,” signifying that the invention or election of the mean is more effectual than any enforcement or accumulation of endeavours. This I am induced to speak, for that (not derogating from the noble intention of any that have been deservers towards the state of learning), I do observe nevertheless that their works and acts are rather matters of magnificence and memory than of progression and proficience, and tend rather to augment the mass of learning in the multitude of learned men than to rectify or raise the sciences themselves.

3. The works or acts of merit towards learning are conversant about three objects - the places of learning, the books of learning, and the persons of the learned. For as water, whether it be the dew of heaven or the springs of the earth, doth scatter and leese itself in the ground, except it be collected into some receptacle where it may by union comfort and sustain itself; and for that cause the industry of man hath made and framed springheads, conduits, cisterns, and pools, which men have accustomed likewise to beautify and adorn with accomplishments of magnificence and state, as well as of use and necessity; so this excellent liquor of knowledge, whether it descend from divine inspiration, or spring from human sense, would soon perish and vanish to oblivion, if it were not preserved in books, traditions, conferences, and places appointed, as universities, colleges, and schools, for the receipt and comforting of the same.

4. The works which concern the seats and places of learning are four - foundations and buildings, endowments with revenues, endowments with franchises and privileges, institutions and ordinances for government - all tending to quietness and privateness of life, and discharge of cares and troubles; much like the stations which Virgil prescribeth for the hiving of bees:

“Principio sedes apibus statioque petenda,

Quo neque sit ventis aditus, &amp;c.”

5. The works touching books are two - first, libraries, which are as the shrines where all the relics of the ancient saints, full of true virtue, and that without delusion or imposture, are preserved and reposed; secondly, new editions of authors, with more correct impressions, more faithful translations, more profitable glosses, more diligent annotations, and the like.

6. The works pertaining to the persons of learned men (besides the advancement and countenancing of them in general) are two - the reward and designation of readers in sciences already extant and invented; and the reward and designation of writers and inquirers concerning any parts of learning not sufficiently laboured and prosecuted.

7. These are summarily the works and acts wherein the merits of many excellent princes and other worthy personages, have been conversant. As for any particular commemorations, I call to mind what Cicero said when he gave general thanks, Difficile non aliquem, ingratum quenquam præterire. Let us rather, according to the Scriptures, look unto that part of the race which is before us, than look back to that which is already attained.

8. First, therefore, amongst so many great foundations of colleges in Europe, I find strange that they are all dedicated to professions, and none left free to arts and sciences at large. For if men judge that learning should be referred to action, they judge well; but in this they fall into the error described in the ancient fable, in which the other parts of the body did suppose the stomach had been idle, because it neither performed the office of motion, as the limbs do, nor of sense, as the head doth; but yet notwithstanding it is the stomach that digesteth and distributeth to all the rest. So if any man think philosophy and universality to be idle studies, he doth not consider that all professions are from thence served and supplied. And this I take to be a great cause that hath hindered the progression of learning, because these fundamental knowledges have been studied but in passage. For if you will have a tree bear more fruit than it hath used to do, it is not anything you can do to the boughs, but it is the stirring of the earth and putting new mould about thee roots that must work it. Neither is it to be forgotten, that this dedicating of foundations and dotations to professory learning hath not only had a malign aspect and influence upon the growth of sciences, but hath also been prejudicial to states, and governments. For hence it proceedeth that princes find a solitude in regard of able men to serve them in causes of estate, because there is no education collegiate which is free, where such as were so disposed might give themselves in histories, modern languages, books of policy and civil discourse, and other the like enablements unto service of estate.

9. And because founders of colleges do plant, and founders of lectures do water, it followeth well in order to speak of the defect which is in public lectures; namely, in the smallness, and meanness of the salary or reward which in most places is assigned unto them, whether they be lectures of arts, or of professions. For it is necessary to the progression of sciences that readers be of the most able and sufficient men; as those which are ordained for generating and propagating of sciences, and not for transitory use. This cannot be, except their condition and endowment be such as may content the ablest man to appropriate his whole labour and continue his whole age in that function and attendance; and therefore must have a proportion answerable to that mediocrity or competency of advancement, which may be expected from a profession or the practice of a profession. So as, if you will have sciences flourish, you must observe David’s military law, which was, “That those which stayed with the carriage should have equal part with those which were in the action;” else will the carriages be ill attended. So readers in sciences are indeed the guardians of the stores and provisions of sciences, whence men in active courses are furnished, and therefore ought to have equal entertainment with them; otherwise if the fathers in sciences be of the weakest sort or be ill maintained,

“Et patrum invalidi referent jejunia nati.”

10. Another defect I note, wherein I shall need some alchemist to help me, who call upon men to sell their books, and to build furnaces; quitting and forsaking Minerva and the Muses as barren virgins, and relying upon Vulcan. But certain it is, that unto the deep, fruitful, and operative study of many sciences, specialty natural philosophy and physic, books be not only the instrumentals; wherein also the beneficence of men hath not been altogether wanting. For we see spheres, globes, astrolabes, maps, and the like, have been provided as appurtenances to astronomy and cosmography, as well as books. We see likewise that some places instituted for physic have annexed the commodity of gardens for simples of all sorts, and do likewise command the use of dead bodies for anatomies. But these do respect but a few things. In general, there will hardly be any main proficience in the disclosing of nature, except there be some allowance for expenses about experiments; whether they be experiments appertaining to Vulcanus or Dædalus, furnace or engine, or any other kind. And therefore as se-cretaries and spials of princes and states bring in bills for intelligence, so you must al-low the spials and intelligencers of nature to bring in their bills; or else you shall be ill advertised.

11. And if Alexander made such a liberal assignation to Aristotle of treasure for the allowance of hunters, fowlers, fishers, and the like, that he might compile a history of nature, much better do they deserve it that travail in arts of nature.

12. Another defect which I note is an intermission or neglect in those which are gov-ernors in universities, of consultation, and in princes or superior persons, of visitation: to enter into account and consideration, whether the readings, exercises, and other customs appertaining unto learning, anciently begun and since continued, be well instituted or no; and thereupon to ground an amendment or reformation in that which shall be found inconvenient. For it is one of your Majesty’s own most wise and princely maxims, “That in all usages and precedents, the times be considered wherein they first began; which if they were weak or ignorant, it derogateth from the authority of the usage, and leaveth it for suspect.” And therefore inasmuch as most of the usages and orders of the universities were derived from more obscure times, it is the more requisite they be re-examined. In this kind I will give an instance or two, for example sake, of things that are the most obvious and familiar. The one is a matter, which though it be ancient and general, yet I hold to be an error; which is, that scholars in universities come too soon and too unripe to logic and rhetoric, arts fitter for graduates than children and novices. For these two, rightly taken, are the gravest of sciences, being the arts of arts; the one for judgment, the other for ornament. And they be the rules and directions how to set forth and dispose matter: and therefore for minds empty and unfraught with matter, and which have not gathered that which Cicero calleth sylva and supellex, stuff and variety, to begin with those arts (as if one should learn to weigh, or to measure, or to paint the wind) doth work but this effect, that the wisdom of those arts, which is great and universal, is almost made contemptible, and is degenerate into childish sophistry and ridiculous affectation. And further, the untimely learning of them hath drawn on by consequence the superficial and unprofitable teaching and writing of them, as fitteth indeed to the capacity of children. Another is a lack I find in the exercises used in the universities, which do snake too great a divorce between invention and memory. For their speeches are either premeditate, in verbis conceptis, where nothing is left to invention, or merely extemporal, where little is left to memory. Whereas in life and action there is least use of either of these, but rather of intermixtures of premeditation and invention, notes and memory. So as the exercise fitteth not the practice, nor the image the life; and it is ever a true rule in exercises, that they be framed as near as may be to the life of practice; for otherwise they do pervert the motions and faculties of the mind, and not prepare them. The truth whereof is not obscure, when scholars come to the practices of professions, or other actions of civil life; which when they set into, this want is soon found by themselves, and sooner by others. But this part, touching the amendment of the institutions and orders of universities, I will conclude with the clause of Cæsar’s letter to Oppius and Balbes, Hoc quemadmodum fieri possit, nonnulla mihi in mentem veniunt, et multa reperiri possunt: de iis rebus rgo vos ut cogitationem suscipiatis.

13. Another defect which I note ascendeth a little higher than the precedent. For as the proficience of learning consisteth much in the orders and institutions of universities in the same states and kingdoms, so it would be yet more advanced, if there were more intelligence mutual between the universities of Europe than now there is. We see there be many orders and foundations, which though they be divided under several sovereignties and territories, yet they take themselves to have a kind of contract, fraternity, and correspondence one with the other, insomuch as they have provincials and generals. And surely as nature createth brotherhood in families, and arts mechanical contract brotherhoods in communalties, and the anointment of God superinduceth a brotherhood in kings and bishops, so in like manner there cannot but be a fraternity in learning and illumination, relating to that paternity which is attributed to God, who is called the Father of illuminations or lights.

14. The last defect which I will note is, that there hath not been, or very rarely been, any public designation of writers or inquirers concerning such parts of knowledge as may appear not to have been already sufficiently laboured or undertaken; unto which point it is an inducement to enter into a view and examination what parts of learning have been prosecuted, and what omitted. For the opinion of plenty is amongst the causes of want, and the great quantity of books maketh a show rather of superfluity than lack; which surcharge nevertheless is not to be remedied by making no more books, but by making more good books, which, as the serpent of Moses, might devour the serpents of the enchanters.

15. The removing of all the defects formerly enumerate, except the last, and of the active part also of the last (which is the designation of writers), are opera basilica; towards which the endeavours of a private man may be but as an image in a crossway, that may point at the way, but cannot go it. But the inducing part of the latter (which is the survey of learning) may be set forward by private travail. Wherefore I will now attempt to make a general and faithful perambulation of learning, with an inquiry what parts thereof lie fresh and waste, and not improved and converted by the industry of man, to the end that such a plot made and recorded to memory may both minister light to any public designation, and, also serve to excite voluntary endeavours. Wherein, nevertheless, my purpose is at this time to note only omissions and deficiences, and not to make any redargution of errors or incomplete prosecutions. For it is one thing to set forth what ground lieth unmanured, and another thing to correct ill husbandry in that which is manured.

In the handling and undertaking of which work I am not ignorant what it is that I do now move and attempt, nor insensible of mine own weakness to sustain my purpose. But my hope is, that if my extreme love to learning carry me too far, I may obtain the excuse of affection; for that “It is not granted to man to love and to be wise.” But I know well I can use no other liberty of judgment than I must leave to others; and I for my part shall be indifferently glad either to perform myself, or accept from another, that duty of humanity - Nam qui erranti comiter monstrat viam, &amp;c. I do foresee likewise that of those things which I shall enter and register as deficiences and omissions, many will conceive and censure that some of them are already done and extant; others to be but curiosities, and things of no great use; and others to be of too great difficulty, and almost impossibility to be compassed and effected. But for the two first, I refer myself to the particulars. For the last, touching impossibility, I take it those things are to be held possible which may be done by some person, though not by every one; and which may be done by many, though not by any one; and which may be done in the succession of ages, though not within the hourglass of one man’s life; and which may be done by public designation, though not by private endeavour. But, notwithstanding, if any man will take to himself rather that of Solomon, “Dicit piger, Leo est in via,” than that of Virgil, “Possunt quia posse videntur,” I shall be content that my labours be esteemed but as the better sort of wishes; for as it asketh some knowledge to demand a question not impertinent, so it requireth some sense to make a wish not absurd.

I. 

(1) The parts of human learning have reference to the three parts of man’s under-standing, which is the seat of learning: history to his memory, poesy to his imagina-tion, and philosophy to his reason. Divine learning receiveth the same distribution; for, the spirit of man is the same, though the revelation of oracle and sense be diverse. So as theology consisteth also of history of the Church; of parables, which is divine poesy; and of holy doctrine or precept. For as for that part which seemeth su-pernumerary, which is prophecy, it is but divine history, which hath that prerogative over human, as the narration may be before the fact as well as after.

(2) History is natural, civil, ecclesiastical, and literary; whereof the first three I allow as extant, the fourth I note as deficient. For no man hath propounded to himself the general state of learning to be described and represented from age to age, as many have done the works of Nature, and the state, civil and ecclesiastical; without which the history of the world seemeth to me to be as the statue of Polyphemus with his eye out, that part being wanting which doth most show the spirit and life of the person. And yet I am not ignorant that in divers particular sciences, as of the jurisconsults, the mathematicians, the rhetoricians, the philosophers, there are set down some small memorials of the schools, authors, and books; and so likewise some barren relations touching the invention of arts or usages. But a just story of learning, containing the antiquities and originals of knowledges and their sects, their inventions, their traditions, their diverse administrations and managings, their flourishings, their oppo-sitions, decays, depressions, oblivions, removes, with the causes and occasions of them, and all other events concerning learning, throughout the ages of the world, I may truly affirm to be wanting; the use and end of which work I do not so much de-sign for curiosity or satisfaction of those that are the lovers of learning, but chiefly for a more serious and grave purpose, which is this in few words, that it will make learned men wise in the use and administration of learning. For it is not Saint Augustine’s nor Saint Ambrose’s works that will make so wise a divine as ecclesiastical history thoroughly read and observed, and the same reason is of learning.

(3) History of Nature is of three sorts; of Nature in course, of Nature erring or va-rying, and of Nature altered or wrought; that is, history of creatures, history of mar-vels, and history of arts. The first of these no doubt is extant, and that in good per-fection; the two latter are bandied so weakly and unprofitably as I am moved to note them as deficient. For I find no sufficient or competent collection of the works of Nature which have a digression and deflexion from the ordinary course of generations, productions, and motions; whether they be singularities of place and region, or the strange events of time and chance, or the effects of yet unknown properties, or the instances of exception to general kinds. It is true I find a number of books of fabulous experiments and secrets, and frivolous impostures for pleasure and strange-ness; but a substantial and severe collection of the heteroclites or irregulars of Nature, well examined and described, I find not, specially not with due rejection of fables and popular errors. For as things now are, if an untruth in Nature be once on foot, what by reason of the neglect of examination, and countenance of antiquity, and what by reason of the use of the opinion in similitudes and ornaments of speech, it is never called down.

(4) The use of this work, honoured with a precedent in Aristotle, is nothing less than to give contentment to the appetite of curious and vain wits, as the manner of Mira-bilaries is to do; but for two reasons, both of great weight: the one to correct the partiality of axioms and opinions, which are commonly framed only upon common and familiar examples; the other because from the wonders of Nature is the nearest intelligence and passage towards the wonders of art, for it is no more but by following and, as it were, hounding Nature in her wanderings, to be able to lead her afterwards to the same place again. Neither am I of opinion, in this history of marvels, that superstitious narrations of sorceries, witchcrafts, dreams, divinations, and the like, where there is an assurance and clear evidence of the fact, be altogether excluded. For it is not yet known in what cases and how far effects attributed to superstition do participate of natural causes; and, therefore, howsoever the practice of such things is to be condemned, yet from the speculation and consideration of them light may be taken, not only for the discerning of the offences, but for the further disclosing of Nature. Neither ought a man to make scruple of entering into these things for inquisition of truth, as your Majesty hath showed in your own example, who, with the two clear eyes of religion and natural philosophy, have looked deeply and wisely into these shadows, and yet proved yourself to be of the nature of the sun, which passeth through pollutions and itself remains as pure as before. But this I hold fit, that these narrations, which have mixture with superstition, be sorted by themselves, and not to be mingled with the narrations which are merely and sincerely natural. But as for the narrations touching the prodigies and miracles of religions, they are either not true or not natural; and, therefore, impertinent for the story of Nature.

(5) For history of Nature, wrought or mechanical, I find some collections made of agriculture, and likewise of manual arts; but commonly with a rejection of experiments familiar and vulgar; for it is esteemed a kind of dishonour unto learning to descend to inquiry or meditation upon matters mechanical, except they be such as may be thought secrets, rarities, and special subtleties; which humour of vain and supercilious arrogancy is justly derided in Plato, where he brings in Hippias, a vaunting sophist, disputing with Socrates, a true and unfeigned inquisitor of truth; where, the subject being touching beauty, Socrates, after his wandering manner of inductions, put first an example of a fair virgin, and then of a fair horse, and then of a fair pot well glazed, whereat Hippias was offended, and said, “More than for courtesy’s sake, he did think much to dispute with any that did allege such base and sordid instances.” Whereunto Socrates answereth, “You have reason, and it becomes you well, being a man so trim in your vestments,” &amp;c., and so goeth on in an irony. But the truth is, they be not the highest instances that give the securest information, as may be well expressed in the tale so common of the philosopher that, while he gazed upwards to the stars, fell into the water; for if he had looked down he might have seen the stars in the water, but looking aloft he could not see the water in the stars. So it cometh often to pass that mean and small things discover great, better than great can discover the small; and therefore Aristotle noteth well, “That the nature of everything is best seen in his smallest portions.” And for that cause he inquireth the nature of a commonwealth, first in a family, and the simple conjugations of man and wife, parent and child, master and servant, which are in every cottage. Even so likewise the nature of this great city of the world, and the policy thereof, must be first sought in mean concordances and small portions. So we see how that secret of Nature, of the turning of iron touched with the loadstone towards the north, was found out in needles of iron, not in bars of iron.

(6) But if my judgment be of any weight, the use of history mechanical is of all others the most radical and fundamental towards natural philosophy; such natural philosophy as shall not vanish in the fume of subtle, sublime, or delectable speculation, but such as shall be operative to the endowment and benefit of man’s life. For it will not only minister and suggest for the present many ingenious practices in all trades, by a connection and transferring of the observations of one art to the use of another, when the experiences of several mysteries shall fall under the consideration of one man’s mind; but further, it will give a more true and real illumination concerning causes and axioms than is hitherto attained. For like as a man’s disposition is never well known till he be crossed, nor Proteus ever changed shapes till he was straitened and held fast; so the passages and variations of nature cannot appear so fully in the liberty of nature as in the trials and vexations of art.

II. 

(1) For civil history, it is of three kinds; not unfitly to be compared with the three kinds of pictures or images. For of pictures or images we see some are unfinished, some are perfect, and some are defaced. So of histories we may find three kinds: memorials, perfect histories, and antiquities; for memorials are history unfinished, or the first or rough drafts of history; and antiquities are history defaced, or some remnants of history which have casually escaped the shipwreck of time.

(2) Memorials, or preparatory history, are of two sorts; whereof the one may be termed commentaries, and the other registers. Commentaries are they which set down a continuance of the naked events and actions, without the motives or designs, the counsels, the speeches, the pretexts, the occasions, and other passages of action. For this is the true nature of a commentary (though Cæsar, in modesty mixed with greatness, did for his pleasure apply the name of a commentary to the best history of the world). Registers are collections of public acts, as decrees of council, judicial proceedings, declarations and letters of estate, orations, and the like, without a perfect continuance or contexture of the thread of the narration.

(3) Antiquities, or remnants of history, are, as was said, tanquam tabula naufragii: when industrious persons, by an exact and scrupulous diligence and observation, out of monuments, names, words, proverbs, traditions, private records and evidences, fragments of stories, passages of books that concern not story, and the like, do save and recover somewhat from the deluge of time.

(4) In these kinds of unperfect histories I do assign no deficience, for they are tanquam imperfecte mista; and therefore any deficience in them is but their nature. As for the corruptions and moths of history, which are epitomes, the use of them deserveth to be banished, as all men of sound judgment have confessed, as those that have fretted and corroded the sound bodies of many excellent histories, and wrought them into base and unprofitable dregs.

(5) History, which may be called just and perfect history, is of three kinds, according to the object which it propoundeth, or pretendeth to represent: for it either representeth a time, or a person, or an action. The first we call chronicles, the second lives, and the third narrations or relations. Of these, although the first be the most complete and absolute kind of history, and hath most estimation and glory, yet the second excelleth it in profit and use, and the third in verity and sincerity. For history of times representeth the magnitude of actions, and the public faces and deportments of persons, and passeth over in silence the smaller passages and motions of men and matters. But such being the workmanship of God, as He doth hang the greatest weight upon the smallest wires, maxima è minimis, suspendens, it comes therefore to pass, that such histories do rather set forth the pomp of business than the true and inward resorts thereof. But lives, if they be well written, propounding to themselves a person to represent, in whom actions, both greater and smaller, public and private, have a commixture, must of necessity contain a more true, native, and lively representation. So again narrations and relations of actions, as the war of Peloponnesus, the expedition of Cyrus Minor, the conspiracy of Catiline, cannot but be more purely and exactly true than histories of times, because they may choose an argument comprehensible within the notice and instructions of the writer: whereas he that undertaketh the story of a time, specially of any length, cannot but meet with many blanks and spaces, which he must be forced to fill up out of his own wit and conjecture.

(6) For the history of times, I mean of civil history, the providence of God hath made the distribution. For it hath pleased God to ordain and illustrate two exemplar states of the world for arms, learning, moral virtue, policy, and laws; the state of Græcia and the state of Rome; the histories whereof occupying the middle part of time, have more ancient to them histories which may by one common name be termed the antiquities of the world; and after them, histories which may be likewise called by the name of modern history.

(7) Now to speak of the deficiences. As to the heathen antiquities of the world it is in vain to note them for deficient. Deficient they are no doubt, consisting most of fables and fragments; but the deficience cannot be holpen; for antiquity is like fame, caput inter nubila condit, her head is muffled from our sight. For the history of the exemplar states, it is extant in good perfection. Not but I could wish there were a perfect course of history for Græcia, from Theseus to Philopœmen (what time the affairs of Græcia drowned and extinguished in the affairs of Rome), and for Rome from Romulus to Justinianus, who may be truly said to be ultimus Romanorum. In which sequences of story the text of Thucydides and Xenophon in the one, and the texts of Livius, Polybius, Sallustius, Cæsar, Appianus, Tacitus, Herodianus in the other, to be kept entire, without any diminution at all, and only to be supplied and continued. But this is a matter of magnificence, rather to be commended than required; and we speak now of parts of learning supplemental, and not of supererogation.

(8) But for modern histories, whereof there are some few very worthy, but the greater part beneath mediocrity, leaving the care of foreign stories to foreign states, because I will not be curiosus in aliena republica, I cannot fail to represent to your Majesty the unworthiness of the history of England in the main continuance thereof, and the partiality and obliquity of that of Scotland in the latest and largest author that I have seen: supposing that it would be honour for your Majesty, and a work very memorable, if this island of Great Britain, as it is now joined in monarchy for the ages to come, so were joined in one history for the times passed, after the manner of the sacred history, which draweth down the story of the ten tribes and of the two tribes as twins together. And if it shall seem that the greatness of this work may make it less exactly performed, there is an excellent period of a much smaller compass of time, as to the story of England; that is to say, from the uniting of the Roses to the uniting of the kingdoms; a portion of time wherein, to my understanding, there hath been the rarest varieties that in like number of successions of any hereditary monarchy hath been known. For it beginneth with the mixed adoption of a crown by arms and title; an entry by battle, an establishment by marriage; and therefore times answerable, like waters after a tempest, full of working and swelling, though without extremity of storm; but well passed through by the wisdom of the pilot, being one of the most sufficient kings of all the number. Then followeth the reign of a king, whose actions, howsoever conducted, had much intermixture with the affairs of Europe, balancing and inclining them variably; in whose time also began that great alteration in the state ecclesiastical, an action which seldom cometh upon the stage. Then the reign of a minor; then an offer of a usurpation (though it was but as febris ephemera). Then the reign of a queen matched with a foreigner; then of a queen that lived solitary and unmarried, and yet her government so masculine, as it had greater impression and operation upon the states abroad than it any ways received from thence. And now last, this most happy and glorious event, that this island of Britain, divided from all the world, should be united in itself, and that oracle of rest given to ÆNeas, antiquam exquirite matrem, should now be performed and fulfilled upon the nations of England and Scotland, being now reunited in the ancient mother name of Britain, as a full period of all instability and peregrinations. So that as it cometh to pass in massive bodies, that they have certain trepidations and waverings before they fix and settle, so it seemeth that by the providence of God this monarchy, before it was to settle in your majesty and your generations (in which I hope it is now established for ever), it had these prelusive changes and varieties.

(9) For lives, I do find strange that these times have so little esteemed the virtues of the times, as that the writings of lives should be no more frequent. For although there be not many sovereign princes or absolute commanders, and that states are most collected into monarchies, yet are there many worthy personages that deserve better than dispersed report or barren eulogies. For herein the invention of one of the late poets is proper, and doth well enrich the ancient fiction. For he feigneth that at the end of the thread or web of every man’s life there was a little medal containing the person’s name, and that Time waited upon the shears, and as soon as the thread was cut caught the medals, and carried them to the river of Lathe; and about the bank there were many birds flying up and down, that would get the medals and carry them in their beak a little while, and then let them fall into the river. Only there were a few swans, which if they got a name would carry it to a temple where it was consecrate. And although many men, more mortal in their affections than in their bodies, do esteem desire of name and memory but as a vanity and ventosity,

“Animi nil magnæ laudis egentes;”

which opinion cometh from that root, Non prius laudes contempsimus, quam lau-danda facere desivimus: yet that will not alter Solomon’s judgment, Memoria justi cum laudibus, at impiorum nomen putrescet: the one flourisheth, the other either consumeth to present oblivion, or turneth to an ill odour. And therefore in that style or addition, which is and hath been long well received and brought in use, felicis memoriæ, piæ memoriæ, bonæ memoriæ, we do acknowledge that which Cicero saith, borrowing it from Demosthenes, that bona fama propria possessio defunctorum; which possession I cannot but note that in our times it lieth much waste, and that therein there is a deficience.

(10) For narrations and relations of particular actions, there were also to be wished a greater diligence therein; for there is no great action but hath some good pen which attends it. And because it is an ability not common to write a good history, as may well appear by the small number of them; yet if particularity of actions memorable were but tolerably reported as they pass, the compiling of a complete history of times might be the better expected, when a writer should arise that were fit for it: for the collection of such relations might be as a nursery garden, whereby to plant a fair and stately garden when time should serve.

(11) There is yet another partition of history which Cornelius Tacitus maketh, which is not to be forgotten, specially with that application which he accoupleth it withal, annals and journals: appropriating to the former matters of estate, and to the latter acts and accidents of a meaner nature. For giving but a touch of certain magnificent buildings, he addeth, Cum ex dignitate populi Romani repertum sit, res illustres annalibus, talia diurnis urbis actis mandare. So as there is a kind of contemplative heraldry, as well as civil. And as nothing doth derogate from the dignity of a state more than confusion of degrees, so it doth not a little imbase the authority of a history to intermingle matters of triumph, or matters of ceremony, or matters of novelty, with matters of state. But the use of a journal hath not only been in the history of time, but likewise in the history of persons, and chiefly of actions; for princes in ancient time had, upon point of honour and policy both, journals kept, what passed day by day. For we see the chronicle which was read before Ahasuerus, when he could not take rest, contained matter of affairs, indeed, but such as had passed in his own time and very lately before. But the journal of Alexander’s house expressed every small particularity, even concerning his person and court; and it is yet a use well received in enterprises memorable, as expeditions of war, navigations, and the like, to keep diaries of that which passeth continually.

(12) I cannot likewise be ignorant of a form of writing which some grave and wise men have used, containing a scattered history of those actions which they have thought worthy of memory, with politic discourse and observation thereupon: not incorporate into the history, but separately, and as the more principal in their intention; which kind of ruminated history I think more fit to place amongst books of policy, whereof we shall hereafter speak, than amongst books of history. For it is the true office of history to represent the events themselves together with the counsels, and to leave the observations and conclusions thereupon to the liberty and faculty of every man’s judgment. But mixtures are things irregular, whereof no man can define.

(13) So also is there another kind of history manifoldly mixed, and that is history of cosmography: being compounded of natural history, in respect of the regions them-selves; of history civil, in respect of the habitations, regiments, and manners of the people; and the mathematics, in respect of the climates and configurations towards the heavens: which part of learning of all others in this latter time hath obtained most proficience. For it may be truly affirmed to the honour of these times, and in a virtuous emulation with antiquity, that this great building of the world had never through-lights made in it, till the age of us and our fathers. For although they had knowledge of the antipodes,

“Nosque ubi primus equis Oriens afflavit anhelis,

Illic sera rubens accendit lumina Vesper,”

yet that might be by demonstration, and not in fact; and if by travel, it requireth the voyage but of half the globe. But to circle the earth, as the heavenly bodies do, was not done nor enterprised till these later times: and therefore these times may justly bear in their word, not only plus ultra, in precedence of the ancient non ultra, and imitabile fulmen, in precedence of the ancient non imitabile fulmen,

“Demens qui nimbos et non imitabile fulmen,” &amp;c.

but likewise imitabile cælum; in respect of the many memorable voyages after the manner of heaven about the globe of the earth.

(14) And this proficience in navigation and discoveries may plant also an expectation of the further proficience and augmentation of all sciences; because it may seem they are ordained by God to be coevals, that is, to meet in one age. For so the prophet Daniel speaking of the latter times foretelleth, Plurimi pertransibunt, et multiplex erit scientia: as if the openness and through-passage of the world and the increase of knowledge were appointed to be in the same ages; as we see it is already performed in great part: the learning of these later times not much giving place to the former two periods or returns of learning, the one of the Grecians, the other of the Romans.

III. 

(1) History ecclesiastical receiveth the same divisions with history civil: but further in the propriety thereof may be divided into the history of the Church, by a general name; history of prophecy; and history of providence. The first describeth the times of the militant Church, whether it be fluctuant, as the ark of Noah, or movable, as the ark in the wilderness, or at rest, as the ark in the Temple: that is, the state of the Church in persecution, in remove, and in peace. This part I ought in no sort to note as deficient; only I would that the virtue and sincerity of it were according to the mass and quantity. But I am not now in hand with censures, but with omissions.

(2) The second, which is history of prophecy, consisteth of two relatives - the prophecy and the accomplishment; and, therefore, the nature of such a work ought to be, that every prophecy of the Scripture be sorted with the event fulfilling the same throughout the ages of the world, both for the better confirmation of faith and for the better illumination of the Church touching those parts of prophecies which are yet unfulfilled: allowing, nevertheless, that latitude which is agreeable and familiar unto divine prophecies, being of the nature of their Author, with whom a thousand years are but as one day, and therefore are not fulfilled punctually at once, but have springing and germinant accomplishment throughout many ages, though the height or fulness of them may refer to some one age. This is a work which I find deficient, but is to be done with wisdom, sobriety, and reverence, or not at all.

(3) The third, which is history of Providence, containeth that excellent correspondence which is between God’s revealed will and His secret will; which though it be so obscure, as for the most part it is not legible to the natural man - no, nor many times to those that behold it from the tabernacle - yet, at some times it pleaseth God, for our better establishment and the confuting of those which are as without God in the world, to write it in such text and capital letters, that, as the prophet saith, “He that runneth by may read it” - that is, mere sensual persons, which hasten by God’s judgments, and never bend or fix their cogitations upon them, are nevertheless in their passage and race urged to discern it. Such are the notable events and examples of God’s judgments, chastisements, deliverances, and blessings; and this is a work which has passed through the labour of many, and therefore I cannot present as omitted.

(4) There are also other parts of learning which are appendices to history. For all the exterior proceedings of man consist of words and deeds, whereof history doth properly receive and retain in memory the deeds; and if words, yet but as inducements and passages to deeds; so are there other books and writings which are appropriate to the custody and receipt of words only, which likewise are of three sorts - orations, letters, and brief speeches or sayings. Orations are pleadings, speeches of counsel, laudatives, invectives, apologies, reprehensions, orations of formality or ceremony, and the like. Letters are according to all the variety of occasions, advertisements, advises, directions, propositions, petitions, commendatory, expostulatory, satisfactory, of compliment, of pleasure, of discourse, and all other passages of action. And such as are written from wise men, are of all the words of man, in my judgment, the best; for they are more natural than orations and public speeches, and more advised than conferences or present speeches. So again letters of affairs from such as manage them, or are privy to them, are of all others the best instructions for history, and to a diligent reader the best histories in themselves. For apophthegms, it is a great loss of that book of Cæsar’s; for as his history, and those few letters of his which we have, and those apophthegms which were of his own, excel all men’s else, so I suppose would his collection of apophthegms have done; for as for those which are collected by others, either I have no taste in such matters or else their choice hath not been happy. But upon these three kinds of writings I do not insist, because I have no deficiences to propound concerning them.

(5) Thus much therefore concerning history, which is that part of learning which answereth to one of the cells, domiciles, or offices of the mind of man, which is that of the memory.

IV. 

(1) Poesy is a part of learning in measure of words, for the most part restrained, but in all other points extremely licensed, and doth truly refer to the imagination; which, being not tied to the laws of matter, may at pleasure join that which nature hath severed, and sever that which nature hath joined, and so make unlawful matches and divorces of things - Pictoribus atque poetis, &amp;c. It is taken in two senses in respect of words or matter. In the first sense, it is but a character of style, and belongeth to arts of speech, and is not pertinent for the present. In the latter, it is - as hath been said - one of the principal portions of learning, and is nothing else but feigned history, which may be styled as well in prose as in verse.

(2) The use of this feigned history hath been to give some shadow of satisfaction to the mind of man in those points wherein the nature of things doth deny it, the world being in proportion inferior to the soul; by reason whereof there is, agreeable to the spirit of man, a more ample greatness, a more exact goodness, and a more absolute variety, than can be found in the nature of things. Therefore, because the acts or events of true history have not that magnitude which satisfieth the mind of man, poesy feigneth acts and events greater and more heroical. Because true history propoundeth the successes and issues of actions not so agreeable to the merits of virtue and vice, therefore poesy feigns them more just in retribution, and more according to revealed Providence. Because true history representeth actions and events more ordinary and less interchanged, therefore poesy endueth them with more rareness and more unexpected and alternative variations. So as it appeareth that poesy serveth and conferreth to magnanimity, morality and to delectation. And therefore, it was ever thought to have some participation of divineness, because it doth raise and erect the mind, by submitting the shows of things to the desires of the mind; whereas reason doth buckle and bow the mind unto the nature of things. And we see that by these insinuations and congruities with man’s nature and pleasure, joined also with the agreement and consort it hath with music, it hath had access and estimation in rude times and barbarous regions, where other learning stood excluded.

(3) The division of poesy which is aptest in the propriety thereof (besides those divi-sions which are common unto it with history, as feigned chronicles, feigned lives, and the appendices of history, as feigned epistles, feigned orations, and the rest) is into poesy narrative, representative, and allusive. The narrative is a mere imitation of history, with the excesses before remembered, choosing for subjects commonly wars and love, rarely state, and sometimes pleasure or mirth. Representative is as a visible history, and is an image of actions as if they were present, as history is of actions in nature as they are (that is) past. Allusive, or parabolical, is a narration applied only to express some special purpose or conceit; which latter kind of parabolical wisdom was much more in use in the ancient times, as by the fables of Æsop, and the brief sentences of the seven, and the use of hieroglyphics may appear. And the cause was (for that it was then of necessity to express any point of reason which was more sharp or subtle than the vulgar in that manner) because men in those times wanted both variety of examples and subtlety of conceit. And as hieroglyphics were before letters, so parables were before arguments; and nevertheless now and at all times they do retain much life and rigour, because reason cannot be so sensible nor examples so fit.

(4) But there remaineth yet another use of poesy parabolical, opposite to that which we last mentioned; for that tendeth to demonstrate and illustrate that which is taught or delivered, and this other to retire and obscure it - that is, when the secrets and mysteries of religion, policy, or philosophy, are involved in fables or parables. Of this in divine poesy we see the use is authorised. In heathen poesy we see the exposition of fables doth fall out sometimes with great felicity: as in the fable that the giants being overthrown in their war against the gods, the earth their mother in revenge thereof brought forth Fame:

“Illam terra parens, ira irritat Deorum,

Extremam, ut perhibent, Cœo Enceladoque soroem,

Progenuit.”

Expounded that when princes and monarchs have suppressed actual and open rebels, then the malignity of people (which is the mother of rebellion) doth bring forth libels and slanders, and taxations of the states, which is of the same kind with rebellion but more feminine. So in the fable that the rest of the gods having conspired to bind Jupiter, Pallas called Briareus with his hundred hands to his aid: expounded that monarchies need not fear any curbing of their absoluteness by mighty subjects, as long as by wisdom they keep the hearts of the people, who will be sure to come in on their side. So in the fable that Achilles was brought up under Chiron, the centaur, who was part a man and part a beast, expounded ingeniously but corruptly by Machiavel, that it belongeth to the education and discipline of princes to know as well how to play the part of a lion in violence, and the fox in guile, as of the man in virtue and justice. Nevertheless, in many the like encounters, I do rather think that the fable was first, and the exposition devised, than that the moral was first, and thereupon the fable framed; for I find it was an ancient vanity in Chrysippus, that troubled himself with great contention to fasten the assertions of the Stoics upon the fictions of the ancient poets; but yet that all the fables and fictions of the poets were but pleasure and not figure, I interpose no opinion. Surely of these poets which are now extant, even Homer himself (notwithstanding he was made a kind of scripture by the later schools of the Grecians), yet I should without any difficulty pronounce that his fables had no such inwardness in his own meaning. But what they might have upon a more original tradition is not easy to affirm, for he was not the inventor of many of them.

(5) In this third part of learning, which is poesy, I can report no deficience; for being as a plant that cometh of the lust of the earth, without a formal seed, it hath sprung up and spread abroad more than any other kind. But to ascribe unto it that which is due, for the expressing of affections, passions, corruptions, and customs, we are beholding to poets more than to the philosophers’ works; and for wit and eloquence, not much less than to orators’ harangues. But it is not good to stay too long in the theatre. Let us now pass on to the judicial place or palace of the mind, which we are to approach and view with more reverence and attention.

V. 

(1) The knowledge of man is as the waters, some descending from above, and some springing from beneath: the one informed by the light of nature, the other inspired by divine revelation. The light of nature consisteth in the notions of the mind and the reports of the senses; for as for knowledge which man receiveth by teaching, it is cumulative and not original, as in a water that besides his own spring-head is fed with other springs and streams. So then, according to these two differing illuminations or originals, knowledge is first of all divided into divinity and philosophy.

(2) In philosophy the contemplations of man do either penetrate unto God, or are circumferred to nature, or are reflected or reverted upon himself. Out of which several inquiries there do arise three knowledges - divine philosophy, natural philosophy, and human philosophy or humanity. For all things are marked and stamped with this triple character - the power of God, the difference of nature and the use of man. But because the distributions and partitions of knowledge are not like several lines that meet in one angle, and so touch but in a point, but are like branches of a tree that meet in a stem, which hath a dimension and quantity of entireness and continuance before it come to discontinue and break itself into arms and boughs; therefore it is good, before we enter into the former distribution, to erect and constitute one universal science, by the name of philosophia prima, primitive or summary philosophy, as the main and common way, before we come where the ways part and divide themselves; which science whether I should report as deficient or no, I stand doubtful. For I find a certain rhapsody of natural theology, and of divers parts of logic; and of that part of natural philosophy which concerneth the principles, and of that other part of natural philosophy which concerneth the soul or spirit - all these strangely commixed and confused; but being examined, it seemeth to me rather a depredation of other sciences, advanced and exalted unto some height of terms, than anything solid or substantive of itself. Nevertheless I cannot be ignorant of the distinction which is current, that the same things are handled but in several respects. As for example, that logic considereth of many things as they are in notion, and this philosophy as they are in nature - the one in appearance, the other in existence; but I find this difference better made than pursued. For if they had considered quantity, similitude, diversity, and the rest of those extern characters of things, as philosophers, and in nature, their inquiries must of force have been of a far other kind than they are. For doth any of them, in handling quantity, speak of the force of union, how and how far it multiplieth virtue? Doth any give the reason why some things in nature are so common, and in so great mass, and others so rare, and in so small quantity? Doth any, in handling similitude and diversity, assign the cause why iron should not move to iron, which is more like, but move to the loadstone, which is less like? Why in all diversities of things there should be certain participles in nature which are almost ambiguous to which kind they should be referred? But there is a mere and deep silence touching the nature and operation of those common adjuncts of things, as in nature; and only a resuming and repeating of the force and use of them in speech or argument. Therefore, because in a writing of this nature I avoid all subtlety, my meaning touching this original or universal philosophy is thus, in a plain and gross description by negative: “That it be a receptacle for all such profitable observations and axioms as fall not within the compass of any of the special parts of philosophy or sciences, but are more common and of a higher stage.”

(3) Now that there are many of that kind need not be doubted. For example: Is not the rule, Si inœqualibus æqualia addas, omnia erunt inæqualia, an axiom as well of justice as of the mathematics? and is there not a true coincidence between commutative and distributive justice, and arithmetical and geometrical proportion? Is not that other rule, Quæ in eodem tertio conveniunt, et inter se conveniunt, a rule taken from the mathematics, but so potent in logic as all syllogisms are built upon it? Is not the observation, Omnia mutantur, nil interit, a contemplation in philosophy thus, that the quantum of nature is eternal? in natural theology thus, that it requireth the same omnipotency to make somewhat nothing, which at the first made nothing somewhat? according to the Scripture, Didici quod omnia opera, quœ fecit Deus, perseverent in perpetuum; non possumus eis quicquam addere nec auferre. Is not the ground, which Machiavel wisely and largely discourseth concerning governments, that the way to establish and preserve them is to reduce them ad principia - a rule in religion and nature, as well as in civil administration? Was not the Persian magic a reduction or correspondence of the principles and architectures of nature to the rules and policy of governments? Is not the precept of a musician, to fall from a discord or harsh accord upon a concord or sweet accord, alike true in affection? Is not the trope of music, to avoid or slide from the close or cadence, common with the trope of rhetoric of deceiving expectation? Is not the delight of the quavering upon a stop in music the same with the playing of light upon the water?

“Splendet tremulo sub lumine pontus.”

Are not the organs of the senses of one kind with the organs of reflection, the eye with a glass, the ear with a cave or strait, determined and bounded? Neither are these only similitudes, as men of narrow observation may conceive them to be, but the same footsteps of nature, treading or printing upon several subjects or matters. This science therefore (as I understand it) I may justly report as deficient; for I see sometimes the profounder sort of wits, in handling some particular argument, will now and then draw a bucket of water out of this well for their present use; but the spring-head thereof seemeth to me not to have been visited, being of so excellent use both for the disclosing of nature and the abridgment of art.

VI. 

(1) This science being therefore first placed as a common parent like unto Berecynthia, which had so much heavenly issue, omnes cœlicolas, omnes supera alta tenetes; we may return to the former distribution of the three philosophies - divine, natural, and human. And as concerning divine philosophy or natural theology, it is that knowledge or rudiment of knowledge concerning God which may be obtained by the contemplation of His creatures; which knowledge may be truly termed divine in respect of the object, and natural in respect of the light. The bounds of this knowledge are, that it sufficeth to convince atheism, but not to inform religion; and therefore there was never miracle wrought by God to convert an atheist, because the light of nature might have led him to confess a God; but miracles have been wrought to convert idolaters and the superstitious, because no light of nature extendeth to declare the will and true worship of God. For as all works do show forth the power and skill of the workman, and not his image, so it is of the works of God, which do show the omnipotency and wisdom of the Maker, but not His image. And therefore therein the heathen opinion differeth from the sacred truth: for they supposed the world to be the image of God, and man to be an extract or compendious image of the world; but the Scriptures never vouchsafe to attribute to the world that honour, as to be the image of God, but only the work of His hands; neither do they speak of any other image of God but man. Wherefore by the contemplation of nature to induce and enforce the acknowledgment of God, and to demonstrate His power, providence, and goodness, is an excellent argument, and hath been excellently handled by divers, but on the other side, out of the contemplation of nature, or ground of human knowledges, to induce any verity or persuasion concerning the points of faith, is in my judgment not safe; Da fidei quæ fidei sunt. For the heathen themselves conclude as much in that excellent and divine fable of the golden chain, “That men and gods were not able to draw Jupiter down to the earth; but, contrariwise, Jupiter was able to draw them up to heaven.” So as we ought not to attempt to draw down or submit the mysteries of God to our reason, but contrariwise to raise and advance our reason to the divine truth. So as in this part of knowledge, touching divine philosophy, I am so far from noting any deficience, as I rather note an excess; whereunto I have digressed because of the extreme prejudice which both religion and philosophy hath received and may receive by being commixed together; as that which undoubtedly will make an heretical religion, and an imaginary and fabulous philosophy.

(2) Otherwise it is of the nature of angels and spirits, which is an appendix of theol-ogy, both divine and natural, and is neither inscrutable nor interdicted. For although the Scripture saith, “Let no man deceive you in sublime discourse touching the worship of angels, pressing into that he knoweth not,” &amp;c., yet notwithstanding if you observe well that precept, it may appear thereby that there be two things only forbidden - adoration of them, and opinion fantastical of them, either to extol them further than appertaineth to the degree of a creature, or to extol a man’s knowledge of them further than he hath ground. But the sober and grounded inquiry, which may arise out of the passages of Holy Scriptures, or out of the gradations of nature, is not restrained. So of degenerate and revolted spirits, the conversing with them or the employment of them is prohibited, much more any veneration towards them; but the contemplation or science of their nature, their power, their illusions, either by Scripture or reason, is a part of spiritual wisdom. For so the apostle saith, “We are not ignorant of his stratagems.” And it is no more unlawful to inquire the nature of evil spirits, than to inquire the force of poisons in nature, or the nature of sin and vice in morality. But this part touching angels and spirits I cannot note as deficient, for many have occupied themselves in it; I may rather challenge it, in many of the writers thereof, as fabulous and fantastical.

VII. 

(1) Leaving therefore divine philosophy or natural theology (not divinity or inspired theology, which we reserve for the last of all as the haven and sabbath of all man’s contemplations) we will now proceed to natural philosophy. If then it be true that Democritus said, “That the truth of nature lieth hid in certain deep mines and caves;” and if it be true likewise that the alchemists do so much inculcate, that Vulcan is a second nature, and imitateth that dexterously and compendiously, which nature worketh by ambages and length of time, it were good to divide natural philosophy into the mine and the furnace, and to make two professions or occupations of natural philosophers - some to be pioneers and some smiths; some to dig, and some to refine and hammer. And surely I do best allow of a division of that kind, though in more familiar and scholastical terms: namely, that these be the two parts of natural philosophy - the inquisition of causes, and the production of effects; speculative and operative; natural science, and natural prudence. For as in civil matters there is a wisdom of discourse, and a wisdom of direction; so is it in natural. And here I will make a request, that for the latter (or at least for a part thereof) I may revive and reintegrate the misapplied and abused name of natural magic, which in the true sense is but natural wisdom, or natural prudence; taken according to the ancient acception, purged from vanity and superstition. Now although it be true, and I know it well, that there is an intercourse between causes and effects, so as both these knowledges, speculative and operative, have a great connection between themselves; yet because all true and fruitful natural philosophy hath a double scale or ladder, ascendent and descendent, ascending from experiments to the invention of causes, and descending from causes to the invention of new experiments; therefore I judge it most requisite that these two parts be severally considered and handled.

(2) Natural science or theory is divided into physic and metaphysic; wherein I desire it may be conceived that I use the word metaphysic in a differing sense from that that is received. And in like manner, I doubt not but it will easily appear to men of judgment, that in this and other particulars, wheresoever my conception and notion may differ from the ancient, yet I am studious to keep the ancient terms. For hoping well to deliver myself from mistaking, by the order and perspicuous expressing of that I do propound, I am otherwise zealous and affectionate to recede as little from antiquity, either in terms or opinions, as may stand with truth and the proficience of knowledge. And herein I cannot a little marvel at the philosopher Aristotle, that did proceed in such a spirit of difference and contradiction towards all antiquity; undertaking not only to frame new words of science at pleasure, but to confound and extinguish all ancient wisdom; insomuch as he never nameth or mentioneth an ancient author or opinion, but to confute and reprove; wherein for glory, and drawing followers and disciples, he took the right course. For certainly there cometh to pass, and hath place in human truth, that which was noted and pronounced in the highest truth:- Veni in nomine partis, nec recipits me; si quis venerit in nomine suo eum recipietis. But in this divine aphorism (considering to whom it was applied, namely, to antichrist, the highest deceiver), we may discern well that the coming in a man’s own name, without regard of antiquity or paternity, is no good sign of truth, although it be joined with the fortune and success of an eum recipietis. But for this excellent person Aristotle, I will think of him that he learned that humour of his scholar, with whom it seemeth he did emulate; the one to conquer all opinions, as the other to conquer all nations. Wherein, nevertheless, it may be, he may at some men’s hands, that are of a bitter disposition, get a like title as his scholar did:-

“Felix terrarum prædo, non utile mundo

Editus exemplum, &amp;c.”

So,

“Felix doctrinæ prædo.”

But to me, on the other side, that do desire as much as lieth in my pen to ground a sociable intercourse between antiquity and proficience, it seemeth best to keep way with antiquity usque ad aras; and, therefore, to retain the ancient terms, though I sometimes alter the uses and definitions, according to the moderate proceeding in civil government; where, although there be some alteration, yet that holdeth which Tacitus wisely noteth, eadem magistratuum vocabula.

(3) To return, therefore, to the use and acception of the term metaphysic as I do now understand the word; it appeareth, by that which hath been already said, that I intend philosophia prima, summary philosophy and metaphysic, which heretofore have been confounded as one, to be two distinct things. For the one I have made as a parent or common ancestor to all knowledge; and the other I have now brought in as a branch or descendant of natural science. It appeareth likewise that I have assigned to summary philosophy the common principles and axioms which are promiscuous and indifferent to several sciences; I have assigned unto it likewise the inquiry touching the operation or the relative and adventive characters of essences, as quantity, similitude, diversity, possibility, and the rest, with this distinction and provision; that they be handled as they have efficacy in nature, and not logically. It appeareth likewise that natural theology, which heretofore hath been handled confusedly with metaphysic, I have enclosed and bounded by itself. It is therefore now a question what is left remaining for metaphysic; wherein I may without prejudice preserve thus much of the conceit of antiquity, that physic should contemplate that which is inherent in matter, and therefore transitory; and metaphysic that which is abstracted and fixed. And again, that physic should handle that which supposeth in nature only a being and moving; and metaphysic should handle that which supposeth further in nature a reason, understanding, and platform. But the difference, perspicuously expressed, is most familiar and sensible. For as we divided natural philosophy in general into the inquiry of causes and productions of effects, so that part which concerneth the inquiry of causes we do subdivide according to the received and sound division of causes. The one part, which is physic, inquireth and handleth the material and efficient causes; and the other, which is metaphysic, handleth the formal and final causes.

(4) Physic (taking it according to the derivation, and not according to our idiom for medicine) is situate in a middle term or distance between natural history and meta-physic. For natural history describeth the variety of things; physic the causes, but va-riable or respective causes; and metaphysic the fixed and constant causes.

“Limus ut hic durescit, et hæc ut cera liquescit,

Uno eodemque igni.”

Fire is the cause of induration, but respective to clay; fire is the cause of colliquation, but respective to wax. But fire is no constant cause either of induration or colliquation; so then the physical causes are but the efficient and the matter. Physic hath three parts, whereof two respect nature united or collected, the third contemplateth nature diffused or distributed. Nature is collected either into one entire total, or else into the same principles or seeds. So as the first doctrine is touching the contexture or configuration of things, as de mundo, de universitate rerum. The second is the doctrine concerning the principles or originals of things. The third is the doctrine concerning all variety and particularity of things; whether it be of the differing substances, or their differing qualities and natures; whereof there needeth no enumeration, this part being but as a gloss or paraphrase that attendeth upon the text of natural history. Of these three I cannot report any as deficient. In what truth or perfection they are handled, I make not now any judgment; but they are parts of knowledge not deserted by the labour of man.

(5) For metaphysic, we have assigned unto it the inquiry of formal and final causes; which assignation, as to the former of them, may seem to be nugatory and void, be-cause of the received and inveterate opinion, that the inquisition of man is not com-petent to find out essential forms or true differences; of which opinion we will take this hold, that the invention of forms is of all other parts of knowledge the worthiest to be sought, if it be possible to be found. As for the possibility, they are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can see nothing but sea. But it is manifest that Plato, in his opinion of ideas, as one that had a wit of elevation situate as upon a cliff, did descry that forms were the true object of knowledge; but lost the real fruit of his opinion, by considering of forms as absolutely abstracted from matter, and not confined and determined by matter; and so turning his opinion upon theology, wherewith all his natural philosophy is infected. But if any man shall keep a continual watchful and severe eye upon action, operation, and the use of knowledge, he may advise and take notice what are the forms, the disclosures whereof are fruitful and important to the state of man. For as to the forms of substances (man only except, of whom it is said, Formavit hominem de limo terræ, et spiravit in faciem ejus spiraculum vitæ, and not as of all other creatures, Producant aquæ, producat terra), the forms of substances I say (as they are now by compounding and transplanting multiplied) are so perplexed, as they are not to be inquired; no more than it were either possible or to purpose to seek in gross the forms of those sounds which make words, which by composition and transposition of letters are infinite. But, on the other side, to inquire the form of those sounds or voices which make simple letters is easily comprehensible; and being known induceth and manifesteth the forms of all words, which consist and are compounded of them. In the same manner to inquire the form of a lion, of an oak, of gold; nay, of water, of air, is a vain pursuit; but to inquire the forms of sense, of voluntary motion, of vegetation, of colours, of gravity and levity, of density, of tenuity, of heat, of cold, and all other natures and qualities, which, like an alphabet, are not many, and of which the essences (upheld by matter) of all creatures do consist; to inquire, I say, the true forms of these, is that part of metaphysic which we now define of. Not but that physic doth make inquiry and take consideration of the same natures; but how? Only as to the material and efficient causes of them, and not as to the forms. For example, if the cause of whiteness in snow or froth be inquired, and it be rendered thus, that the subtle intermixture of air and water is the cause, it is well rendered; but, nevertheless, is this the form of whiteness? No; but it is the efficient, which is ever but vehiculum formæ. This part of metaphysic I do not find laboured and performed; whereat I marvel not; because I hold it not possible to be invented by that course of invention which hath been used; in regard that men (which is the root of all error) have made too untimely a departure, and too remote a recess from particulars.

(6) But the use of this part of metaphysic, which I report as deficient, is of the rest the most excellent in two respects: the one, because it is the duty and virtue of all knowledge to abridge the infinity of individual experience, as much as the conception of truth will permit, and to remedy the complaint of vita brevis, ars longa; which is performed by uniting the notions and conceptions of sciences. For knowledges are as pyramids, whereof history is the basis. So of natural philosophy, the basis is natural history; the stage next the basis is physic; the stage next the vertical point is metaphysic. As for the vertical point, opus quod operatur Deus à principio usque ad finem, the summary law of nature, we know not whether man’s inquiry can attain unto it. But these three be the true stages of knowledge, and are to them that are depraved no better than the giants’ hills:-

“Ter sunt conati imponere Pelio Ossam,

Scilicet atque Ossæ frondsum involvere Olympum.”

But to those which refer all things to the glory of God, they are as the three acclama-tions, Sante, sancte, sancte! holy in the description or dilatation of His works; holy in the connection or concatenation of them; and holy in the union of them in a perpetual and uniform law. And, therefore, the speculation was excellent in Parmenides and Plato, although but a speculation in them, that all things by scale did ascend to unity. So then always that knowledge is worthiest which is charged with least multiplicity, which appeareth to be metaphysic; as that which considereth the simple forms or differences of things, which are few in number, and the degrees and co-ordinations whereof make all this variety. The second respect, which valueth and commendeth this part of metaphysic, is that it doth enfranchise the power of man unto the greatest liberty and possibility of works and effects. For physic carrieth men in narrow and restrained ways, subject to many accidents and impediments, imitating the ordinary flexuous courses of nature. But latæ undique sunt sapientibus viæ; to sapience (which was anciently defined to be rerum divinarum et humanarum scientia) there is ever a choice of means. For physical causes give light to new invention in simili materia. But whosoever knoweth any form, knoweth the utmost possibility of superinducing that nature upon any variety of matter; and so is less restrained in operation, either to the basis of the matter, or the condition of the efficient; which kind of knowledge Solomon likewise, though in a more divine sense, elegantly describeth: non arctabuntur gressus tui, et currens non habebis offendiculum. The ways of sapience are not much liable either to particularity or chance.

(7) The second part of metaphysic is the inquiry of final causes, which I am moved to report not as omitted, but as misplaced. And yet if it were but a fault in order, I would not speak of it; for order is matter of illustration, but pertaineth not to the substance of sciences. But this misplacing hath caused a deficience, or at least a great improficience in the sciences themselves. For the handling of final causes, mixed with the rest in physical inquiries, hath intercepted the severe and diligent inquiry of all real and physical causes, and given men the occasion to stay upon these satisfactory and specious causes, to the great arrest and prejudice of further discovery. For this I find done not only by Plato, who ever anchoreth upon that shore, but by Aristotle, Galen, and others which do usually likewise fall upon these flats of discoursing causes. For to say that “the hairs of the eyelids are for a quickset and fence about the sight;” or that “the firmness of the skins and hides of living creatures is to defend them from the extremities of heat or cold;” or that “the bones are for the columns or beams, whereupon the frames of the bodies of living creatures are built;” or that “the leaves of trees are for protecting of the fruit;” or that “the clouds are for watering of the earth;” or that “the solidness of the earth is for the station and mansion of living creatures;” and the like, is well inquired and collected in metaphysic, but in physic they are impertinent. Nay, they are, indeed, but remoras and hindrances to stay and slug the ship from further sailing; and have brought this to pass, that the search of the physical causes hath been neglected and passed in silence. And, therefore, the natural philosophy of Democritus and some others, who did not suppose a mind or reason in the frame of things, but attributed the form thereof able to maintain itself to infinite essays or proofs of Nature, which they term fortune, seemeth to me (as far as I can judge by the recital and fragments which remain unto us) in particularities of physical causes more real and better inquired than that of Aristotle and Plato; whereof both intermingled final causes, the one as a part of theology, and the other as a part of logic, which were the favourite studies respectively of both those persons; not because those final causes are not true and worthy to be inquired, being kept within their own province, but because their excursions into the limits of physical causes hath bred a vastness and solitude in that tract. For otherwise, keeping their precincts and borders, men are extremely deceived if they think there is an enmity or repugnancy at all between them. For the cause rendered, that “the hairs about the eyelids are for the safeguard of the sight,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “pilosity is incident to orifices of moisture - muscosi fontes, &amp;c.” Nor the cause rendered, that “the firmness of hides is for the armour of the body against extremities of heat or cold,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “contraction of pores is incident to the outwardest parts, in regard of their adjacence to foreign or unlike bodies;” and so of the rest, both causes being true and compatible, the one declaring an intention, the other a consequence only. Neither doth this call in question or derogate from Divine Providence, but highly confirm and exalt it. For as in civil actions he is the greater and deeper politique that can make other men the instruments of his will and ends, and yet never acquaint them with his purpose, so as they shall do it and yet not know what they do, than he that imparteth his meaning to those he employeth; so is the wisdom of God more admirable, when Nature intendeth one thing and Providence draweth forth another, than if He had communicated to particular creatures and motions the characters and impressions of His Providence. And thus much for metaphysic; the latter part whereof I allow as extant, but wish it confined to his proper place.

VIII. 

(1) Nevertheless, there remaineth yet another part of natural philosophy, which is commonly made a principal part, and holdeth rank with physic special and metaphysic, which is mathematic; but I think it more agreeable to the nature of things, and to the light of order, to place it as a branch of metaphysic. For the subject of it being quantity, not quantity indefinite, which is but a relative, and belongeth to philosophia prima (as hath been said), but quantity determined or proportionable, it appeareth to be one of the essential forms of things, as that that is causative in Nature of a number of effects; insomuch as we see in the schools both of Democritus and of Pythagoras that the one did ascribe figure to the first seeds of things, and the other did suppose numbers to be the principles and originals of things. And it is true also that of all other forms (as we understand forms) it is the most abstracted and separable from matter, and therefore most proper to metaphysic; which hath likewise been the cause why it hath been better laboured and inquired than any of the other forms, which are more immersed in matter. For it being the nature of the mind of man (to the extreme prejudice of knowledge) to delight in the spacious liberty of generalities, as in a champaign region, and not in the inclosures of particularity, the mathematics of all other knowledge were the goodliest fields to satisfy that appetite. But for the placing of this science, it is not much material: only we have endeavoured in these our partitions to observe a kind of perspective, that one part may cast light upon another.

(2) The mathematics are either pure or mixed. To the pure mathematics are those sciences belonging which handle quantity determinate, merely severed from any axioms of natural philosophy; and these are two, geometry and arithmetic, the one handling quantity continued, and the other dissevered. Mixed hath for subject some axioms or parts of natural philosophy, and considereth quantity determined, as it is auxiliary and incident unto them. For many parts of Nature can neither be invented with sufficient subtlety, nor demonstrated with sufficient perspicuity, nor accommodated unto use with sufficient dexterity, without the aid and intervening of the mathematics, of which sort are perspective, music, astronomy, cosmography, architecture, engineery, and divers others. In the mathematics I can report no deficience, except it be that men do not sufficiently understand this excellent use of the pure mathematics, in that they do remedy and cure many defects in the wit and faculties intellectual. For if the wit be too dull, they sharpen it; if too wandering, they fix it; if too inherent in the sense, they abstract it. So that as tennis is a game of no use in itself, but of great use in respect it maketh a quick eye and a body ready to put itself into all postures, so in the mathematics that use which is collateral and intervenient is no less worthy than that which is principal and intended. And as for the mixed mathematics, I may only make this prediction, that there cannot fail to be more kinds of them as Nature grows further disclosed. Thus much of natural science, or the part of Nature speculative.

(3) For natural prudence, or the part operative of natural philosophy, we will divide it into three parts - experimental, philosophical, and magical; which three parts active have a correspondence and analogy with the three parts speculative, natural history, physic, and metaphysic. For many operations have been invented, sometimes by a casual incidence and occurrence, sometimes by a purposed experiment; and of those which have been found by an intentional experiment, some have been found out by varying or extending the same experiment, some by transferring and compounding divers experiments the one into the other, which kind of invention an empiric may manage. Again, by the knowledge of physical causes there cannot fail to follow many indications and designations of new particulars, if men in their speculation will keep one eye upon use and practice. But these are but coastings along the shore, premendo littus iniquum; for it seemeth to me there can hardly be discovered any radical or fundamental alterations and innovations in Nature, either by the fortune and essays of experiments, or by the light and direction of physical causes. If, therefore, we have reported metaphysic deficient, it must follow that we do the like of natural magic, which hath relation thereunto. For as for the natural magic whereof now there is mention in books, containing certain credulous and superstitious conceits and observations of sympathies and antipathies, and hidden proprieties, and some frivolous experiments, strange rather by disguisement than in themselves, it is as far differing in truth of Nature from such a knowledge as we require as the story of King Arthur of Britain, or Hugh of Bourdeaux, differs from Cæsar’s Commentaries in truth of story; for it is manifest that Cæsar did greater things de vero than those imaginary heroes were feigned to do. But he did them not in that fabulous manner. Of this kind of learning the fable of Ixion was a figure, who designed to enjoy Juno, the goddess of power, and instead of her had copulation with a cloud, of which mixture were begotten centaurs and chimeras. So whosoever shall entertain high and vaporous imaginations, instead of a laborious and sober inquiry of truth, shall beget hopes and beliefs of strange and impossible shapes. And, therefore, we may note in these sciences which hold so much of imagination and belief, as this degenerate natural magic, alchemy, astrology, and the like, that in their propositions the description of the means is ever more monstrous than the pretence or end. For it is a thing more probable that he that knoweth well the natures of weight, of colour, of pliant and fragile in respect of the hammer, of volatile and fixed in respect of the fire, and the rest, may superinduce upon some metal the nature and form of gold by such mechanic as longeth to the production of the natures afore rehearsed, than that some grains of the medicine projected should in a few moments of time turn a sea of quicksilver or other material into gold. So it is more probable that he that knoweth the nature of arefaction, the nature of assimilation of nourishment to the thing nourished, the manner of increase and clearing of spirits, the manner of the depredations which spirits make upon the humours and solid parts, shall by ambages of diets, bathings, anointings, medicines, motions, and the like, prolong life, or restore some degree of youth or vivacity, than that it can be done with the use of a few drops or scruples of a liquor or receipt. To conclude, therefore, the true natural magic, which is that great liberty and latitude of operation which dependeth upon the knowledge of forms, I may report deficient, as the relative thereof is. To which part, if we be serious and incline not to vanities and plausible discourse, besides the deriving and deducing the operations themselves from metaphysic, there are pertinent two points of much purpose, the one by way of preparation, the other by way of caution. The first is, that there be made a calendar, resembling an inventory of the estate of man, containing all the inventions (being the works or fruits of Nature or art) which are now extant, and whereof man is already possessed; out of which doth naturally result a note what things are yet held impossible, or not invented, which calendar will be the more artificial and serviceable if to every reputed impossibility you add what thing is extant which cometh the nearest in degree to that impossibility; to the end that by these optatives and potentials man’s inquiry may be the more awake in deducing direction of works from the speculation of causes. And secondly, that these experiments be not only esteemed which have an immediate and present use, but those principally which are of most universal consequence for invention of other experiments, and those which give most light to the invention of causes; for the invention of the mariner’s needle, which giveth the direction, is of no less benefit for navigation than the invention of the sails which give the motion.

(4) Thus have I passed through natural philosophy and the deficiences thereof; wherein if I have differed from the ancient and received doctrines, and thereby shall move contradiction, for my part, as I affect not to dissent, so I purpose not to contend. If it be truth,

“Non canimus surdis, respondent omnia sylvæ,”

the voice of Nature will consent, whether the voice of man do or no. And as Alexander Borgia was wont to say of the expedition of the French for Naples, that they came with chalk in their hands to mark up their lodgings, and not with weapons to fight; so I like better that entry of truth which cometh peaceably with chalk to mark up those minds which are capable to lodge and harbour it, than that which cometh with pugnacity and contention.

(5) But there remaineth a division of natural philosophy according to the report of the inquiry, and nothing concerning the matter or subject: and that is positive and considerative, when the inquiry reporteth either an assertion or a doubt. These doubts or non liquets are of two sorts, particular and total. For the first, we see a good example thereof in Aristotle’s Problems which deserved to have had a better continuance; but so nevertheless as there is one point whereof warning is to be given and taken. The registering of doubts hath two excellent uses: the one, that it saveth philosophy from errors and falsehoods; when that which is not fully appearing is not collected into assertion, whereby error might draw error, but reserved in doubt; the other, that the entry of doubts are as so many suckers or sponges to draw use of knowledge; insomuch as that which if doubts had not preceded, a man should never have advised, but passed it over without note, by the suggestion and solicitation of doubts is made to be attended and applied. But both these commodities do scarcely countervail and inconvenience, which will intrude itself if it be not debarred; which is, that when a doubt is once received, men labour rather how to keep it a doubt still, than how to solve it, and accordingly bend their wits. Of this we see the familiar example in lawyers and scholars, both which, if they have once admitted a doubt, it goeth ever after authorised for a doubt. But that use of wit and knowledge is to be allowed, which laboureth to make doubtful things certain, and not those which labour to make certain things doubtful. Therefore these calendars of doubts I commend as excellent things; so that there he this caution used, that when they be thoroughly sifted and brought to resolution, they be from thenceforth omitted, discarded, and not continued to cherish and encourage men in doubting. To which calendar of doubts or problems I advise be annexed another calendar, as much or more material which is a calendar of popular errors: I mean chiefly in natural history, such as pass in speech and conceit, and are nevertheless apparently detected and convicted of untruth, that man’s knowledge be not weakened nor embased by such dross and vanity. As for the doubts or non liquets general or in total, I understand those differences of opinions touching the principles of nature, and the fundamental points of the same, which have caused the diversity of sects, schools, and philosophies, as that of Empedocles, Pythagoras, Democritus, Parmenides, and the rest. For although Aristotle, as though he had been of the race of the Ottomans, thought he could not reign except the first thing he did he killed all his brethren; yet to those that seek truth and not magistrality, it cannot but seem a matter of great profit, to see before them the several opinions touching the foundations of nature. Not for any exact truth that can be expected in those theories; for as the same phenomena in astronomy are satisfied by this received astronomy of the diurnal motion, and the proper motions of the planets, with their eccentrics and epicycles, and likewise by the theory of Copernicus, who supposed the earth to move, and the calculations are indifferently agreeable to both, so the ordinary face and view of experience is many times satisfied by several theories and philosophies; whereas to find the real truth requireth another manner of severity and attention. For as Aristotle saith, that children at the first will call every woman mother, but afterward they come to distinguish according to truth, so experience, if it be in childhood, will call every philosophy mother, but when it cometh to ripeness it will discern the true mother. So as in the meantime it is good to see the several glosses and opinions upon Nature, whereof it may be everyone in some one point hath seen clearer than his fellows, therefore I wish some collection to be made painfully and understandingly de antiquis philosophiis, out of all the possible light which remaineth to us of them: which kind of work I find deficient. But here I must give warning, that it be done distinctly and se-veredly; the philosophies of everyone throughout by themselves, and not by titles packed and faggoted up together, as hath been done by Plutarch. For it is the harmony of a philosophy in itself, which giveth it light and credence; whereas if it be singled and broken, it will seem more foreign and dissonant. For as when I read in Tacitus the actions of Nero or Claudius, with circumstances of times, inducements, and occasions, I find them not so strange; but when I read them in Suetonius Tranquillus, gathered into titles and bundles and not in order of time, they seem more monstrous and incredible: so is it of any philosophy reported entire, and dismembered by articles. Neither do I exclude opinions of latter times to be likewise represented in this calendar of sects of philosophy, as that of Theophrastus Paracelsus, eloquently reduced into an harmony by the pen of Severinus the Dane; and that of Tilesius, and his scholar Donius, being as a pastoral philosophy, full of sense, but of no great depth; and that of Fracastorius, who, though he pretended not to make any new philosophy, yet did use the absoluteness of his own sense upon the old; and that of Gilbertus our countryman, who revived, with some alterations and demonstrations, the opinions of Xenophanes; and any other worthy to be admitted.

(6) Thus have we now dealt with two of the three beams of man’s knowledge; that is radius directus, which is referred to nature, radius refractus, which is referred to God, and cannot report truly because of the inequality of the medium. There resteth radius reflexus, whereby man beholdeth and contemplateth himself.

IX. 

(1) We come therefore now to that knowledge whereunto the ancient oracle directeth us, which is the knowledge of ourselves; which deserveth the more accurate handling, by how much it toucheth us more nearly. This knowledge, as it is the end and term of natural philosophy in the intention of man, so notwithstanding it is but a portion of natural philosophy in the continent of Nature. And generally let this be a rule, that all partitions of knowledges be accepted rather for lines and veins than for sections and separations; and that the continuance and entireness of knowledge be preserved. For the contrary hereof hath made particular sciences to become barren, shallow, and erroneous, while they have not been nourished and maintained from the common fountain. So we see Cicero, the orator, complained of Socrates and his school, that he was the first that separated philosophy and rhetoric; whereupon rhetoric became an empty and verbal art. So we may see that the opinion of Copernicus, touching the rotation of the earth, which astronomy itself cannot correct, because it is not repugnant to any of the phenomena, yet natural philosophy may correct. So we see also that the science of medicine if it be destituted and forsaken by natural philosophy, it is not much better than an empirical practice. With this reservation, therefore, we proceed to human philosophy or humanity, which hath two parts: the one considereth man segregate or distributively, the other congregate or in society; so as human philosophy is either simple and particular, or conjugate and civil. Humanity particular consisteth of the same parts whereof man consisteth: that is, of knowledges which respect the body, and of knowledges that respect the mind. But before we distribute so far, it is good to constitute. For I do take the consideration in general, and at large, of human nature to be fit to be emancipate and made a knowledge by itself, not so much in regard of those delightful and elegant discourses which have been made of the dignity of man, of his miseries, of his state and life, and the like adjuncts of his common and undivided nature; but chiefly in regard of the knowledge concerning the sympathies and concordances between the mind and body, which being mixed cannot be properly assigned to the sciences of either.

(2) This knowledge hath two branches: for as all leagues and amities consist of mutual intelligence and mutual offices, so this league of mind and body hath these two parts: how the one discloseth the other, and how the one worketh upon the other; discovery and impression. The former of these hath begotten two arts, both of prediction or prenotion; whereof the one is honoured with the inquiry of Aristotle, and the other of Hippocrates. And although they have of later time been used to be coupled with superstitions and fantastical arts, yet being purged and restored to their true state, they have both of them a solid ground in Nature, and a profitable use in life. The first is physiognomy, which discovereth the disposition of the mind by the lineaments of the body. The second is the exposition of natural dreams, which discovereth the state of the body by the imaginations of the mind. In the former of these I note a deficience. For Aristotle hath very ingeniously and diligently handled the factures of the body, but not the gestures of the body, which are no less comprehensible by art, and of greater use and advantage. For the lineaments of the body do disclose the disposition and inclination of the mind in general; but the motions of the countenance and parts do not only so, but do further disclose the present humour and state of the mind and will. For as your majesty saith most aptly and elegantly, “As the tongue speaketh to the ear so the gesture speaketh to the eye.” And, therefore, a number of subtle persons, whose eyes do dwell upon the faces and fashions of men, do well know the advantage of this observation, as being most part of their ability; neither can it be denied, but that it is a great discovery of dissimulations, and a great direction in business.

(3) The latter branch, touching impression, hath not been collected into art, but hath been handled dispersedly; and it hath the same relation or antistrophe that the former hath. For the consideration is double - either how and how far the humours and affects of the body do alter or work upon the mind, or, again, how and how far the passions or apprehensions of the mind do alter or work upon the body. The former of these hath been inquired and considered as a part and appendix of medicine, but much more as a part of religion or superstition. For the physician prescribeth cures of the mind in frenzies and melancholy passions, and pretendeth also to exhibit medicines to exhilarate the mind, to control the courage, to clarify the wits, to corroborate the memory, and the like; but the scruples and superstitions of diet and other regiment of the body in the sect of the Pythagoreans, in the heresy of the Manichees, and in the law of Mahomet, do exceed. So likewise the ordinances in the ceremonial law, interdicting the eating of the blood and the fat, distinguishing between beasts clean and unclean for meat, are many and strict; nay, the faith itself being clear and serene from all clouds of ceremony, yet retaineth the use of fastlings, abstinences, and other macerations and humiliations of the body, as things real, and not figurative. The root and life of all which prescripts is (besides the ceremony) the consideration of that dependency which the affections of the mind are submitted unto upon the state and disposition of the body. And if any man of weak judgment do conceive that this suffering of the mind from the body doth either question the immortality, or derogate from the sovereignty of the soul, he may be taught, in easy instances, that the infant in the mother’s womb is compatible with the mother, and yet separable; and the most absolute monarch is sometimes led by his servants, and yet without subjection. As for the reciprocal knowledge, which is the operation of the conceits and passions of the mind upon the body, we see all wise physicians, in the prescriptions of their regiments to their patients, do ever consider accidentia animi, as of great force to further or hinder remedies or recoveries: and more specially it is an inquiry of great depth and worth concerning imagination, how and how far it altereth the body proper of the imaginant; for although it hath a manifest power to hurt, it followeth not it hath the same degree of power to help. No more than a man can conclude, that because there be pestilent airs, able suddenly to kill a man in health, therefore there should be sovereign airs, able suddenly to cure a man in sickness. But the inquisition of this part is of great use, though it needeth, as Socrates said, “a Delian diver,” being difficult and profound. But unto all this knowledge de communi vinculo, of the concordances between the mind and the body, that part of inquiry is most necessary which considereth of the seats and domiciles which the several faculties of the mind do take and occupate in the organs of the body; which knowledge hath been attempted, and is controverted, and deserveth to be much better inquired. For the opinion of Plato, who placed the understanding in the brain, animosity (which he did unfitly call anger, having a greater mixture with pride) in the heart, and concupiscence or sensuality in the liver, deserveth not to be despised, but much less to be allowed. So, then, we have constituted (as in our own wish and advice) the inquiry touching human nature entire, as a just portion of knowledge to be handled apart.

X. 

(1) The knowledge that concerneth man’s body is divided as the good of man’s body is divided, unto which it referreth. The good of man’s body is of four kinds - health, beauty, strength, and pleasure: so the knowledges are medicine, or art of cure; art of decoration, which is called cosmetic; art of activity, which is called athletic; and art voluptuary, which Tacitus truly calleth eruditus luxus. This subject of man’s body is, of all other things in nature, most susceptible of remedy; but then that remedy is most susceptible of error; for the same subtlety of the subject doth cause large possibility and easy failing, and therefore the inquiry ought to be the more exact.

(2) To speak, therefore, of medicine, and to resume that we have said, ascending a little higher: the ancient opinion that man was microcosmus - an abstract or model of the world - hath been fantastically strained by Paracelsus and the alchemists, as if there were to be found in man’s body certain correspondences and parallels, which should have respect to all varieties of things, as stars, planets, minerals, which are extant in the great world. But thus much is evidently true, that of all substances which nature hath produced, man’s body is the most extremely compounded. For we see herbs and plants are nourished by earth and water; beasts for the most part by herbs and fruits; man by the flesh of beasts, birds, fishes, herbs, grains, fruits, water, and the manifold alterations, dressings, and preparations of these several bodies before they come to be his food and aliment. Add hereunto that beasts have a more simple order of life, and less change of affections to work upon their bodies, whereas man in his mansion, sleep, exercise, passions, hath infinite variations: and it cannot be denied but that the body of man of all other things is of the most compounded mass. The soul, on the other side, is the simplest of substances, as is well expressed:

“Purumque reliquit

Æthereum sensum atque auraï simplicis ignem.”

So that it is no marvel though the soul so placed enjoy no rest, if that principle be true, that Motus rerum est rapidus extra locum, placidus in loco. But to the purpose. This variable composition of man’s body hath made it as an instrument easy to distemper; and, therefore, the poets did well to conjoin music and medicine in Apollo, because the office of medicine is but to tune this curious harp of man’s body and to reduce it to harmony. So, then, the subject being so variable hath made the art by consequent more conjectural; and the art being conjectural hath made so much the more place to be left for imposture. For almost all other arts and sciences are judged by acts or masterpieces, as I may term them, and not by the successes and events. The lawyer is judged by the virtue of his pleading, and not by the issue of the cause; this master in this ship is judged by the directing his course aright, and not by the fortune of the voyage; but the physician, and perhaps this politique, hath no particular acts demonstrative of his ability, but is judged most by the event, which is ever but as it is taken: for who can tell, if a patient die or recover, or if a state be preserved or ruined, whether it be art or accident? And therefore many times the impostor is prized, and the man of virtue taxed. Nay, we see [the] weakness and credulity of men is such, as they will often refer a mountebank or witch before a learned physician. And therefore the poets were clear-sighted in discerning this extreme folly when they made Æsculapius and Circe, brother and sister, both children of the sun, as in the verses -

“Ipse repertorem medicinæ talis et artis

Fulmine Phœbigenam Stygias detrusit ad undas.”

And again -

“Dives inaccessos ubi Solis filia lucos,” &amp;c.

For in all times, in the opinion of the multitude, witches and old women and impos-tors, have had a competition with physicians. And what followeth? Even this, that physicians say to themselves, as Solomon expresseth it upon a higher occasion, “If it befall to me as befalleth to the fools, why should I labour to be more wise?” And therefore I cannot much blame physicians that they use commonly to intend some other art or practice, which they fancy more than their profession; for you shall have of them antiquaries, poets, humanists, statesmen, merchants, divines, and in every of these better seen than in their profession; and no doubt upon this ground that they find that mediocrity and excellency in their art maketh no difference in profit or rep-utation towards their fortune: for the weakness of patients, and sweetness of life, and nature of hope, maketh men depend upon physicians with all their defects. But, nevertheless, these things which we have spoken of are courses begotten between a little occasion and a great deal of sloth and default; for if we will excite and awake our observation, we shall see in familiar instances what a predominant faculty the subtlety of spirit hath over the variety of matter or form. Nothing more variable than faces and countenances, yet men can bear in memory the infinite distinctions of them; nay, a painter, with a few shells of colours, and the benefit of his eye, and habit of his imagination, can imitate them all that ever have been, are, or may be, if they were brought before him. Nothing more variable than voices, yet men can likewise discern them personally: nay, you shall have a buffon or pantomimus will express as many as he pleaseth. Nothing more variable than the differing sounds of words; yet men have found the way to reduce them to a few simple letters. So that it is not the insufficiency or incapacity of man’s mind, but it is the remote standing or placing thereof that breedeth these mazes and incomprehensions; for as the sense afar off is full of mistaking, but is exact at hand, so is it of the understanding, the remedy whereof is, not to quicken or strengthen the organ, but to go nearer to the object; and therefore there is no doubt but if the physicians will learn and use the true approaches and avenues of nature, they may assume as much as the poet saith:

“Et quoniam variant morbi, variabimus artes;

Mille mali species, mille salutis erunt.”

Which that they should do, the nobleness of their art doth deserve: well shadowed by the poets, in that they made Æsculapius to be the son of [the] sun, the one being the fountain of life, the other as the second-stream; but infinitely more honoured by the example of our Saviour, who made the body of man the object of His miracles, as the soul was the object of His doctrine. For we read not that ever He vouchsafed to do any miracle about honour or money (except that one for giving tribute to Cæsar), but only about the preserving, sustaining, and healing the body of man.

(3) Medicine is a science which hath been (as we have said) more professed than la-boured, and yet more laboured than advanced; the labour having been, in my judg-ment, rather in circle than in progression. For I find much iteration, but small addition. It considereth causes of diseases, with the occasions or impulsions; the diseases themselves, with the accidents; and the cures, with the preservations. The deficiences which I think good to note, being a few of many, and those such as are of a more open and manifest nature, I will enumerate and not place.

(4) The first is the discontinuance of the ancient and serious diligence of Hippocrates, which used to set down a narrative of the special cases of his patients, and how they proceeded, and how they were judged by recovery or death. Therefore having an example proper in the father of the art, I shall not need to allege an example foreign, of the wisdom of the lawyers, who are careful to report new cases and decisions, for the direction of future judgments. This continuance of medicinal history I find deficient; which I understand neither to be so infinite as to extend to every common case, nor so reserved as to admit none but wonders: for many things are new in this manner, which are not new in the kind; and if men will intend to observe, they shall find much worthy to observe.

(5) In the inquiry which is made by anatomy, I find much deficience: for they inquire of the parts, and their substances, figures, and collocations; but they inquire not of the diversities of the parts, the secrecies of the passages, and the seats or nestling of the humours, nor much of the footsteps and impressions of diseases. The reason of which omission I suppose to be, because the first inquiry may be satisfied in the view of one or a few anatomies; but the latter, being comparative and casual, must arise from the view of many. And as to the diversity of parts, there is no doubt but the facture or framing of the inward parts is as full of difference as the outward, and in that is the cause continent of many diseases; which not being observed, they quarrel many times with the humours, which are not in fault; the fault being in the very frame and mechanic of the part, which cannot be removed by medicine alterative, but must be accommodated and palliated by diets and medicines familiar. And for the passages and pores, it is true which was anciently noted, that the more subtle of them appear not in anatomies, because they are shut and latent in dead bodies, though they be open and manifest in life: which being supposed, though the inhumanity of anatomia vivorum was by Celsus justly reproved; yet in regard of the great use of this observation, the inquiry needed not by him so slightly to have been relinquished altogether, or referred to the casual practices of surgery; but might have been well diverted upon the dissection of beasts alive, which notwithstanding the dissimilitude of their parts may sufficiently satisfy this inquiry. And for the humours, they are commonly passed over in anatomies as purgaments; whereas it is most necessary to observe, what cavities, nests, and receptacles the humours do find in the parts, with the differing kind of the humour so lodged and received. And as for the footsteps of diseases, and their devastations of the inward parts, impostumations, exulcerations, discontinuations, putrefactions, consumptions, contractions, extensions, convulsions, dislocations, obstructions, repletions, together with all preternatural substances, as stones, carnosities, excrescences, worms, and the like; they ought to have been exactly observed by multitude of anatomies, and the contribution of men’s several experiences, and carefully set down both historically according to the appearances, and artificially with a reference to the diseases and symptoms which resulted from them, in case where the anatomy is of a defunct patient; whereas now upon opening of bodies they are passed over slightly and in silence.

(6) In the inquiry of diseases, they do abandon the cures of many, some as in their nature incurable, and others as past the period of cure; so that Sylla and the Triumvirs never proscribed so many men to die, as they do by their ignorant edicts: whereof numbers do escape with less difficulty than they did in the Roman prescriptions. Therefore I will not doubt to note as a deficience, that they inquire not the perfect cures of many diseases, or extremities of diseases; but pronouncing them incurable do enact a law of neglect, and exempt ignorance from discredit.

(7) Nay further, I esteem it the office of a physician not only to restore health, but to mitigate pain and dolors; and not only when such mitigation may conduce to recovery, but when it may serve to make a fair and easy passage. For it is no small felicity which Augustus Cæsar was wont to wish to himself, that same Euthanasia; and which was specially noted in the death of Antoninus Pius, whose death was after the fashion, and semblance of a kindly and pleasant sheep. So it is written of Epicurus, that after his disease was judged desperate, he drowned his stomach and senses with a large draught and ingurgitation of wine; whereupon the epigram was made, Hinc Stygias ebrius hausit aquas; he was not sober enough to taste any bitterness of the Stygian water. But the physicians contrariwise do make a kind of scruple and religion to stay with the patient after the disease is deplored; whereas in my judgment they ought both to inquire the skill, and to give the attendances, for the facilitating and assuaging of the pains and agonies of death.

(5) In the consideration of the cures of diseases, I find a deficience in the receipts of propriety, respecting the particular cures of diseases: for the physicians have frustrated the fruit of tradition and experience by their magistralities, in adding and taking out and changing quid pro qua in their receipts, at their pleasures; commanding so over the medicine, as the medicine cannot command over the disease. For except it be treacle and mithridatum, and of late diascordium, and a few more, they tie themselves to no receipts severely and religiously. For as to the confections of sale which are in the shops, they are for readiness and not for propriety. For they are upon general intentions of purging, opening, comforting, altering, and not much appropriate to particular diseases. And this is the cause why empirics and old women are more happy many times in their cures than learned physicians, because they are more religious in holding their medicines. Therefore here is the deficience which I find, that physicians have not, partly out of their own practice, partly out of the constant probations reported in books, and partly out of the traditions of empirics, set down and delivered over certain experimental medicines for the cure of particular diseases, besides their own conjectural and magistral descriptions. For as they were the men of the best composition in the state of Rome, which either being consuls inclined to the people, or being tribunes inclined to the senate; so in the matter we now handle, they be the best physicians, which being learned incline to the traditions of experience, or being empirics incline to the methods of learning.

(9) In preparation of medicines I do find strange, specially considering how mineral medicines have been extolled, and that they are safer for the outward than inward parts, that no man hath sought to make an imitation by art of natural baths and medicinable fountains: which nevertheless are confessed to receive their virtues from minerals; and not so only, but discerned and distinguished from what particular mineral they receive tincture, as sulphur, vitriol, steel, or the like; which nature, if it may be reduced to compositions of art, both the variety of them will be increased, and the temper of them will be more commanded.

(10) But lest I grow to be more particular than is agreeable either to my intention or to proportion, I will conclude this part with the note of one deficience more, which seemeth to me of greatest consequence: which is, that the prescripts in use are too compendious to attain their end; for, to my understanding, it is a vain and flattering opinion to think any medicine can be so sovereign or so happy, as that the receipt or miss of it can work any great effect upon the body of man. It were a strange speech which spoken, or spoken oft, should reclaim a man from a vice to which he were by nature subject. It is order, pursuit, sequence, and interchange of application, which is mighty in nature; which although it require more exact knowledge in prescribing, and more precise obedience in observing, yet is recompensed with the magnitude of effects. And although a man would think, by the daily visitations of the physicians, that there were a pursuance in the cure, yet let a man look into their prescripts and ministrations, and he shall find them but inconstancies and every day’s devices, without any settled providence or project. Not that every scrupulous or superstitious prescript is effectual, no more than every straight way is the way to heaven; but the truth of the direction must precede severity of observance.

(11) For cosmetic, it hath parts civil, and parts effeminate: for cleanness of body was ever esteemed to proceed from a due reverence to God, to society, and to ourselves. As for artificial decoration, it is well worthy of the deficiences which it hath; being neither fine enough to deceive, nor handsome to use, nor wholesome to please.

(12) For athletic, I take the subject of it largely, that is to say, for any point of ability whereunto the body of man may be brought, whether it be of activity, or of patience; whereof activity hath two parts, strength and swiftness; and patience likewise hath two parts, hardness against wants and extremities, and endurance of pain or torment; whereof we see the practices in tumblers, in savages, and in those that suffer punishment. Nay, if there be any other faculty which falls not within any of the former divisions, as in those that dive, that obtain a strange power of containing respiration, and the like, I refer it to this part. Of these things the practices are known, but the philosophy that concerneth them is not much inquired; the rather, I think, because they are supposed to be obtained, either by an aptness of nature, which cannot be taught, or only by continual custom, which is soon prescribed which though it be not true, yet I forbear to note any deficiences; for the Olympian games are down long since, and the mediocrity of these things is for use; as for the excellency of them it serveth for the most part but for mercenary ostentation.

(13) For arts of pleasure sensual, the chief deficience in them is of laws to repress them. For as it hath been well observed, that the arts which flourish in times while virtue is in growth, are military; and while virtue is in state, are liberal; and while virtue is in declination, are voluptuary: so I doubt that this age of the world is somewhat upon the descent of the wheel. With arts voluptuary I couple practices joculary; for the deceiving of the senses is one of the pleasures of the senses. As for games of recreation, I hold them to belong to civil life and education. And thus much of that particular human philosophy which concerns the body, which is but the tabernacle of the mind.

XI. 

(1) For human knowledge which concerns the mind, it hath two parts; the one that inquireth of the substance or nature of the soul or mind, the other that inquireth of the faculties or functions thereof. Unto the first of these, the considerations of the original of the soul, whether it be native or adventive, and how far it is exempted from laws of matter, and of the immortality thereof, and many other points, do appertain: which have been not more laboriously inquired than variously reported; so as the travail therein taken seemeth to have been rather in a maze than in a way. But although I am of opinion that this knowledge may be more really and soundly inquired, even in nature, than it hath been, yet I hold that in the end it must be hounded by religion, or else it will be subject to deceit and delusion. For as the substance of the soul in the creation was not extracted out of the mass of heaven and earth by the benediction of a producat, but was immediately inspired from God, so it is not possible that it should be (otherwise than by accident) subject to the laws of heaven and earth, which are the subject of philosophy; and therefore the true knowledge of the nature and state of the soul must come by the same inspiration that gave the substance. Unto this part of knowledge touching the soul there be two appendices; which, as they have been handled, have rather vapoured forth fables than kindled truth: divination and fascination.

(2) Divination hath been anciently and fitly divided into artificial and natural: whereof artificial is, when the mind maketh a prediction by argument, concluding upon signs and tokens; natural is, when the mind hath a presention by an internal power, without the inducement of a sign. Artificial is of two sorts: either when the argument is coupled with a derivation of causes, which is rational; or when it is only grounded upon a coincidence of the effect, which is experimental: whereof the latter for the most part is superstitious, such as were the heathen observations upon the inspection of sacrifices, the flights of birds, the swarming of bees; and such as was the Chaldean astrology, and the like. For artificial divination, the several kinds thereof are distributed amongst particular knowledges. The astronomer hath his predictions, as of conjunctions, aspects, eclipses, and the like. The physician hath his predictions, of death, of recovery, of the accidents and issues of diseases. The politique hath his predictions; O urbem venalem, et cito perituram, si emptorem invenerit! which stayed not long to be performed, in Sylla first, and after in Cæsar: so as these predictions are now impertinent, and to be referred over. But the divination which springeth from the internal nature of the soul is that which we now speak of; which hath been made to be of two sorts, primitive and by influxion. Primitive is grounded upon the supposition that the mind, when it is withdrawn and collected into itself, and not diffused into the organs of the body, hath some extent and latitude of prenotion; which therefore appeareth most in sleep, in ecstasies, and near death, and more rarely in waking apprehensions; and is induced and furthered by those abstinences and observances which make the mind most to consist in itself. By influxion, is grounded upon the conceit that the mind, as a mirror or glass, should take illumination from the foreknowledge of God and spirits: unto which the same regiment doth likewise conduce. For the retiring of the mind within itself is the state which is most suscept-ible of divine influxions; save that it is accompanied in this case with a fervency and elevation (which the ancients noted by fury), and not with a repose and quiet, as it is in the other.

(3) Fascination is the power and act of imagination intensive upon other bodies than the body of the imaginant, for of that we spake in the proper place. Wherein the school of Paracelsus, and the disciples of pretended natural magic, have been so in-temperate, as they have exalted the power of the imagination to be much one with the power of miracle-working faith. Others, that draw nearer to probability, calling to their view the secret passages of things, and specially of the contagion that passeth from body to body, do conceive it should likewise be agreeable to nature that there should be some transmissions and operations from spirit to spirit without the mediation of the senses; whence the conceits have grown (now almost made civil) of the mastering spirit, and the force of confidence, and the like. Incident unto this is the inquiry how to raise and fortify the imagination; for if the imagination fortified have power, then it is material to know how to fortify and exalt it. And herein comes in crookedly and dangerously a palliation of a great part of ceremonial magic. For it may be pretended that ceremonies, characters, and charms do work, not by any tacit or sacramental contract with evil spirits, but serve only to strengthen the imagination of him that useth it; as images are said by the Roman Church to fix the cogitations and raise the devotions of them that pray before them. But for mine own judgment, if it be admitted that imagination hath power, and that ceremonies fortify imagination, and that they be used sincerely and intentionally for that purpose; yet I should hold them unlawful, as opposing to that first edict which God gave unto man, In sudore vultus comedes panem tuum. For they propound those noble effects, which God hath set forth unto man to be bought at the price of labour, to be attained by a few easy and slothful observances. Deficiences in these knowledges I will report none, other than the general deficience, that it is not known how much of them is verity, and how much vanity.

XII. 

(1) The knowledge which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man is of two kinds - the one respecting his understanding and reason, and the other his will, appetite, and affection; whereof the former produceth position or decree, the latter action or execution. It is true that the imagination is an agent or nuncius in both provinces, both the judicial and the ministerial. For sense sendeth over to imagination before reason have judged, and reason sendeth over to imagination before the decree can be acted. For imagination ever precedeth voluntary motion. Saving that this Janus of imagination hath differing faces: for the face towards reason hath the print of truth, but the face towards action hath the print of good; which nevertheless are faces,

“Quales decet esse sororum.”

Neither is the imagination simply and only a messenger; but is invested with, or at least wise usurpeth no small authority in itself, besides the duty of the message. For it was well said by Aristotle, “That the mind hath over the body that commandment, which the lord hath over a bondman; but that reason hath over the imagination that commandment which a magistrate hath over a free citizen,” who may come also to rule in his turn. For we see that, in matters of faith and religion, we raise our imagination above our reason, which is the cause why religion sought ever access to the mind by similitudes, types, parables, visions, dreams. And again, in all persuasions that are wrought by eloquence, and other impressions of like nature, which do paint and disguise the true appearance of things, the chief recommendation unto reason is from the imagination. Nevertheless, because I find not any science that doth properly or fitly pertain to the imagination, I see no cause to alter the former division. For as for poesy, it is rather a pleasure or play of imagination than a work or duty thereof. And if it be a work, we speak not now of such parts of learning as the imagination produceth, but of such sciences as handle and consider of the imagination. No more than we shall speak now of such knowledges as reason produceth (for that extendeth to all philosophy), but of such knowledges as do handle and inquire of the faculty of reason: so as poesy had his true place. As for the power of the imagination in nature, and the manner of fortifying the same, we have mentioned it in the doctrine De Anima, whereunto most fitly it belongeth. And lastly, for imaginative or insinuative reason, which is the subject of rhetoric, we think it best to refer it to the arts of reason. So therefore we content ourselves with the former division, that human philosophy, which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man, hath two parts, rational and moral.

(2) The part of human philosophy which is rational is of all knowledges, to the most wits, the least delightful, and seemeth but a net of subtlety and spinosity. For as it was truly said, that knowledge is pabulum animi; so in the nature of men’s appetite to this food most men are of the taste and stomach of the Israelites in the desert, that would fain have returned ad ollas carnium, and were weary of manna; which, though it were celestial, yet seemed less nutritive and comfortable. So generally men taste well knowledges that are drenched in flesh and blood, civil history, morality, policy, about the which men’s affections, praises, fortunes do turn and are conversant. But this same lumen siccum doth parch and offend most men’s watery and soft natures. But to speak truly of things as they are in worth, rational knowledges are the keys of all other arts, for as Aristotle saith aptly and elegantly, “That the hand is the instrument of instruments, and the mind is the form of forms;” so these be truly said to be the art of arts. Neither do they only direct, but likewise confirm and strengthen; even as the habit of shooting doth not only enable to shoot a nearer shoot, but also to draw a stronger bow.

(3) The arts intellectual are four in number, divided according to the ends whereunto they are referred - for man’s labour is to invent that which is sought or propounded; or to judge that which is invented; or to retain that which is judged; or to deliver over that which is retained. So as the arts must be four - art of inquiry or invention; art of examination or judgment; art of custody or memory; and art of elocution or tradition.

XIII. 

(1) Invention is of two kinds much differing - the one of arts and sciences, and the other of speech and arguments. The former of these I do report deficient; which seemeth to me to be such a deficience as if, in the making of an inventory touching the state of a defunct, it should be set down that there is no ready money. For as money will fetch all other commodities, so this knowledge is that which should purchase all the rest. And like as the West Indies had never been discovered if the use of the mariner’s needle had not been first discovered, though the one be vast regions, and the other a small motion; so it cannot be found strange if sciences be no further discovered, if the art itself of invention and discovery hath been passed over.

(2) That this part of knowledge is wanting, to my judgment standeth plainly con-fessed; for first, logic doth not pretend to invent sciences, or the axioms of sciences, but passeth it over with a cuique in sua arte credendum. And Celsus acknowledgeth it gravely, speaking of the empirical and dogmatical sects of physicians, “That medicines and cures were first found out, and then after the reasons and causes were discoursed; and not the causes first found out, and by light from them the medicines and cures discovered.” And Plato in his “Theætetus” noteth well, “That particulars are infinite, and the higher generalities give no sufficient direction; and that the pith of all sciences, which maketh the artsman differ from the inexpert, is in the middle propositions, which in every particular knowledge are taken from tradition and experience.” And therefore we see, that they which discourse of the inventions and originals of things refer them rather to chance than to art, and rather to beasts, birds, fishes, serpents, than to men.

“Dictamnum genetrix Cretæa carpit ab Ida,

Puberibus caulem foliis et flore camantem

Purpureo; non illa feris incognita capris

Gramina, cum tergo volucres hæsere sagittæ.”

So that it was no marvel (the manner of antiquity being to consecrate inventors) that the Egyptians had so few human idols in their temples, but almost all brute:

“Omnigenumque Deum monstra, et latrator Anubis,

Contra Neptunum, et Venerem, contraque Minervam, &amp;c.”

And if you like better the tradition of the Grecians, and ascribe the first inventions to men, yet you will rather believe that Prometheus first stroke the flints, and marvelled at the spark, than that when he first stroke the flints he expected the spark; and therefore we see the West Indian Prometheus had no intelligence with the European, because of the rareness with them of flint, that gave the first occasion. So as it should seem, that hitherto men are rather beholden to a wild goat for surgery, or to a nightingale for music, or to the ibis for some part of physic, or to the pot-lid that flew open for artillery, or generally to chance or anything else than to logic for the invention of arts and sciences. Neither is the form of invention which Virgil describeth much other:

“Ut varias usus meditande extunderet artes

Paulatim.”

For if you observe the words well, it is no other method than that which brute beasts are capable of, and do put in ure; which is a perpetual intending or practising some one thing, urged and imposed by an absolute necessity of conservation of being. For so Cicero saith very truly, Usus uni rei deditus et naturam et artem sæpe vincit. And therefore if it be said of men,

“Labor omnia vincit

Improbus, et duris urgens in rebus egestas,”

it is likewise said of beasts, Quis psittaco docuit suum χαιρε? Who taught the raven in a drought to throw pebbles into a hollow tree, where she spied water, that the water might rise so as she might come to it? Who taught the bee to sail through such a vast sea or air, and to find the way from a field in a flower a great way off to her hive? Who taught the ant to bite every grain of corn that she burieth in her hill, lest it should take root and grow? Add then the word extundere, which importeth the extreme difficulty, and the word paulatim, which importeth the extreme slowness, and we are where we were, even amongst the Egyptians’ gods; there being little left to the faculty of reason, and nothing to the duty or art, for matter of invention.

(3) Secondly, the induction which the logicians speak of, and which seemeth familiar with Plato, whereby the principles of sciences may be pretended to be invented, and so the middle propositions by derivation from the principles; their form of induction, I say, is utterly vicious and incompetent; wherein their error is the fouler, because it is the duty of art to perfect and exalt nature; but they contrariwise have wronged, abused, and traduced nature. For he that shall attentively observe how the mind doth gather this excellent dew of knowledge, like unto that which the poet speaketh of, Aërei mellis cælestia dona, distilling and contriving it out of particulars natural and artificial, as the flowers of the field and garden, shall find that the mind of herself by nature doth manage and act an induction much better than they describe it. For to conclude upon an enumeration of particulars, without instance contradictory, is no conclusion, but a conjecture; for who can assure (in many subjects) upon those particulars which appear of a side, that there are not other on the contrary side which appear not? As if Samuel should have rested upon those sons of Jesse which were brought before him, and failed of David which was in the field. And this form (to say truth), is so gross, as it had not been possible for wits so subtle as have managed these things to have offered it to the world, but that they hasted to their theories and dogmaticals, and were imperious and scornful toward particulars; which their manner was to use but as lictores and viatores, for sergeants and whifflers, ad summovendam turbam, to make way and make room for their opinions, rather than in their true use and service. Certainly it is a thing may touch a man with a religious wonder, to see how the footsteps of seducement are the very same in divine and human truth; for, as in divine truth man cannot endure to become as a child, so in human, they reputed the attending the inductions (whereof we speak), as if it were a second infancy or childhood.

(4) Thirdly, allow some principles or axioms were rightly induced, yet, nevertheless, certain it is that middle propositions cannot be deduced from them in subject of na-ture by syllogism - that is, by touch and reduction of them to principles in a middle term. It is true that in sciences popular, as moralities, laws, and the like, yea, and divinity (because it pleaseth God to apply Himself to the capacity of the simplest), that form may have use; and in natural philosophy likewise, by way of argument or satisfactory reason, Quæ assensum parit operis effæta est; but the subtlety of nature and operations will not be enchained in those bonds. For arguments consist of proposi-tions, and propositions of words, and words are but the current tokens or marks of popular notions of things; which notions, if they be grossly and variably collected out of particulars, it is not the laborious examination either of consequences of arguments, or of the truth of propositions, that can ever correct that error, being (as the physicians speak) in the first digestion. And, therefore, it was not without cause, that so many excellent philosophers became sceptics and academics, and denied any certainty of knowledge or comprehension; and held opinion that the knowledge of man extended only to appearances and probabilities. It is true that in Socrates it was supposed to be but a form of irony, Scientiam dissimulando simulavit; for he used to disable his knowledge, to the end to enhance his knowledge; like the humour of Tiberius in his beginnings, that would reign, but would not acknowledge so much. And in the later academy, which Cicero embraced, this opinion also of acatalepsia (I doubt) was not held sincerely; for that all those which excelled in copy of speech seem to have chosen that sect, as that which was fittest to give glory to their eloquence and variable discourses; being rather like progresses of pleasure than journeys to an end. But assuredly many scattered in both academies did hold it in subtlety and integrity. But here was their chief error: they charged the deceit upon the senses; which in my judgment (notwithstanding all their cavillations) are very sufficient to certify and report truth, though not always immediately, yet by comparison, by help of instrument, and by producing and urging such things as are too subtle for the sense to some effect comprehensible by the sense, and other like assistance. But they ought to have charged the deceit upon the weakness of the intellectual powers, and upon the manner of collecting and concluding upon the reports of the senses. This I speak, not to disable the mind of man, but to stir it up to seek help; for no man, be he never so cunning or practised, can make a straight line or perfect circle by steadiness of hand, which may be easily done by help of a ruler or compass.

(5) This part of invention, concerning the invention of sciences, I purpose (if God give me leave) hereafter to propound, having digested it into two parts: whereof the one I term experientia literata, and the other interpretatio naturæ; the former being but a degree and rudiment of the latter. But I will not dwell too long, nor speak too great upon a promise.

(6) The invention of speech or argument is not properly an invention; for to invent is to discover that we know not, and not to recover or resummon that which we already know; and the use of this invention is no other but, out of the knowledge whereof our mind is already possessed to draw forth or call before us that which may be per-tinent to the purpose which we take into our consideration. So as to speak truly, it is no invention, but a remembrance or suggestion, with an application; which is the cause why the schools do place it after judgment, as subsequent and not precedent. Nevertheless, because we do account it a chase as well of deer in an enclosed park as in a forest at large, and that it hath already obtained the name, let it be called invention; so as it be perceived and discerned, that the scope and end of this invention is readiness and present use of our knowledge, and not addition or amplification thereof.

(7) To procure this ready use of knowledge there are two courses, preparation and suggestion. The former of these seemeth scarcely a part of knowledge, consisting ra-ther of diligence than of any artificial erudition. And herein Aristotle wittily, but hurtfully, doth deride the sophists near his time, saying, “They did as if one that pro-fessed the art of shoemaking should not teach how to make up a shoe, but only ex-hibit in a readiness a number of shoes of all fashions and sizes.” But yet a man might reply, that if a shoemaker should have no shoes in his shop, but only work as he is bespoken, he should be weakly customed. But our Saviour, speaking of divine know-ledge, saith, “That the kingdom of heaven is like a good householder, that bringeth forth both new and old store;” and we see the ancient writers of rhetoric do give it in precept, that pleaders should have the places, whereof they have most continual use, ready handled in all the variety that may be; as that, to speak for the literal interpretation of the law against equity, and contrary; and to speak for presumptions and inferences against testimony, and contrary. And Cicero himself, being broken unto it by great experience, delivereth it plainly, that whatsoever a man shall have occasion to speak of (if he will take the pains), he may have it in effect premeditate and handled in thesi. So that when he cometh to a particular he shall have nothing to do, but to put to names, and times, and places, and such other circumstances of individuals. We see likewise the exact diligence of Demosthenes; who, in regard of the great force that the entrance and access into causes hath to make a good impression, had ready framed a number of prefaces for orations and speeches. All which authorities and precedents may overweigh Aristotle’s opinion, that would have us change a rich wardrobe for a pair of shears.

(8) But the nature of the collection of this provision or preparatory store, though it be common both to logic and rhetoric, yet having made an entry of it here, where it came first to be spoken of, I think fit to refer over the further handling of it to rhetoric.

(9) The other part of invention, which I term suggestion, doth assign and direct us to certain marks, or places, which may excite our mind to return and produce such knowledge as it hath formerly collected, to the end we may make use thereof. Neither is this use (truly taken) only to furnish argument to dispute, probably with others, but likewise to minister unto our judgment to conclude aright within ourselves. Neither may these places serve only to apprompt our invention, but also to direct our inquiry. For a faculty of wise interrogating is half a knowledge. For as Plato saith, “Whosoever seeketh, knoweth that which he seeketh for in a general notion; else how shall he know it when he hath found it?” And, therefore, the larger your anticipation is, the more direct and compendious is your search. But the same places which will help us what to produce of that which we know already, will also help us, if a man of experience were before us, what questions to ask; or, if we have books and authors to instruct us, what points to search and revolve; so as I cannot report that this part of invention, which is that which the schools call topics, is deficient.

(10) Nevertheless, topics are of two sorts, general and special. The general we have spoken to; but the particular hath been touched by some, but rejected generally as in-artificial and variable. But leaving the humour which hath reigned too much in the schools (which is, to be vainly subtle in a few things which are within their command, and to reject the rest), I do receive particular topics; that is, places or directions of invention and inquiry in every particular knowledge, as things of great use, being mixtures of logic with the matter of sciences. For in these it holdeth ars inveniendi adolescit cum inventis; for as in going of a way, we do not only gain that part of the way which is passed, but we gain the better sight of that part of the way which re-maineth, so every degree of proceeding in a science giveth a light to that which fol-loweth; which light, if we strengthen by drawing it forth into questions or places of inquiry, we do greatly advance our pursuit.

XIV. 

(1) Now we pass unto the arts of judgment, which handle the natures of proofs and demonstrations, which as to induction hath a coincidence with invention; for all in-ductions, whether in good or vicious form, the same action of the mind which in-venteth, judgeth - all one as in the sense. But otherwise it is in proof by syllogism, for the proof being not immediate, but by mean, the invention of the mean is one thing, and the judgment of the consequence is another; the one exciting only, the other ex-amining. Therefore, for the real and exact form of judgment, we refer ourselves to that which we have spoken of interpretation of Nature.

(2) For the other judgment by syllogism, as it is a thing most agreeable to the mind of man, so it hath been vehemently end excellently laboured. For the nature of man doth extremely covet to have somewhat in his understanding fixed and unmovable, and as a rest and support of the mind. And, therefore, as Aristotle endeavoureth to prove, that in all motion there is some point quiescent; and as he elegantly expoundeth the ancient fable of Atlas (that stood fixed, and bare up the heaven from falling) to be meant of the poles or axle-tree of heaven, whereupon the conversion is accomplished, so assuredly men have a desire to have an Atlas or axle-tree within to keep them from fluctuation, which is like to a perpetual peril of falling. Therefore men did hasten to set down some principles about which the variety of their disputatious might turn.

(3) So, then, this art of judgment is but the reduction of propositions to principles in a middle term. The principles to be agreed by all and exempted from argument; the middle term to be elected at the liberty of every man’s invention; the reduction to be of two kinds, direct and inverted: the one when the proposition is reduced to the principle, which they term a probation ostensive; the other, when the contradictory of the proposition is reduced to the contradictory of the principle, which is that which they call per incommodum, or pressing an absurdity; the number of middle terms to be as the proposition standeth degrees more or less removed from the principle.

(4) But this art hath two several methods of doctrine, the one by way of direction, the other by way of caution: the former frameth and setteth down a true form of consequence, by the variations and deflections from which errors and inconsequences may be exactly judged. Toward the composition and structure of which form it is incident to handle the parts thereof, which are propositions, and the parts of propositions, which are simple words. And this is that part of logic which is com-prehended in the Analytics.

(5) The second method of doctrine was introduced for expedite use and assurance sake, discovering the more subtle forms of sophisms and illaqueations with their re-dargutions, which is that which is termed elenches. For although in the more gross sorts of fallacies it happeneth (as Seneca maketh the comparison well) as in juggling feats, which, though we know not how they are done, yet we know well it is not as it seemeth to be; yet the more subtle sort of them doth not only put a man besides his answer, but doth many times abuse his judgment.

(6) This part concerning elenches is excellently handled by Aristotle in precept, but more excellently by Plato in example; not only in the persons of the sophists, but even in Socrates himself, who, professing to affirm nothing, but to infirm that which was affirmed by another, hath exactly expressed all the forms of objection, fallace, and redargution. And although we have said that the use of this doctrine is for redargution, yet it is manifest the degenerate and corrupt use is for caption and contradiction, which passeth for a great faculty, and no doubt is of very great advantage, though the difference be good which was made between orators and sophisters, that the one is as the greyhound, which hath his advantage in the race, and the other as the hare, which hath her advantage in the turn, so as it is the advantage of the weaker creature.

(7) But yet further, this doctrine of elenches hath a more ample latitude and extent than is perceived; namely, unto divers parts of knowledge, whereof some are laboured and other omitted. For first, I conceive (though it may seem at first somewhat strange) that that part which is variably referred, sometimes to logic, sometimes to metaphysic, touching the common adjuncts of essences, is but an elenche; for the great sophism of all sophisms being equivocation or ambiguity of words and phrase, specially of such words as are most general and intervene in every inquiry, it seemeth to me that the true and fruitful use (leaving vain subtleties and speculations) of the inquiry of majority, minority, priority, posteriority, identity, diversity, possibility, act, totality, parts, existence, privation, and the like, are but wise cautions against ambiguities of speech. So, again, the distribution of things into certain tribes, which we call categories or predicaments, are but cautions against the confusion of definitions and divisions.

(8) Secondly, there is a seducement that worketh by the strength of the impression, and not by the subtlety of the illaqueation - not so much perplexing the reason, as overruling it by power of the imagination. But this part I think more proper to handle when I shall speak of rhetoric.

(9) But lastly, there is yet a much more important and profound kind of fallacies in the mind of man, which I find not observed or inquired at all, and think good to place here, as that which of all others appertaineth most to rectify judgment, the force whereof is such as it doth not dazzle or snare the understanding in some particulars, but doth more generally and inwardly infect and corrupt the state thereof. For the mind of man is far from the nature of a clear and equal glass, wherein the beams of things should reflect according to their true incidence; nay, it is rather like an enchanted glass, full of superstition and imposture, if it be not delivered and reduced. For this purpose, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by the general nature of the mind, beholding them in an example or two; as first, in that instance which is the root of all superstition, namely, that to the nature of the mind of all men it is consonant for the affirmative or active to affect more than the negative or privative. So that a few times hitting or presence countervails ofttimes failing or absence, as was well answered by Diagoras to him that showed him in Neptune’s temple the great number of pictures of such as had escaped shipwreck, and had paid their vows to Neptune, saying, “Advise now, you that think it folly to invocate Neptune in tempest.” “Yea, but,” saith Diagoras, “where are they painted that are drowned?” Let us behold it in another instance, namely, that the spirit of man, being of an equal and uniform substance, doth usually suppose and feign in nature a greater equality and uniformity than is in truth. Hence it cometh that the mathematicians cannot satisfy themselves except they reduce the motions of the celestial bodies to perfect circles, rejecting spiral lines, and labouring to be discharged of eccentrics. Hence it cometh that whereas there are many things in Nature as it were monodica, sui juris, yet the cogitations of man do feign unto them relatives, parallels, and conjugates, whereas no such thing is; as they have feigned an element of fire to keep square with earth, water, and air, and the like. Nay, it is not credible, till it be opened, what a number of fictions and fantasies the similitude of human actions and arts, together with the making of man communis mensura, have brought into natural philosophy; not much better than the heresy of the Anthropomorphites, bred in the cells of gross and solitary monks, and the opinion of Epicurus, answerable to the same in heathenism, who supposed the gods to be of human shape. And, therefore, Velleius the Epicurean needed not to have asked why God should have adorned the heavens with stars, as if He had been an ædilis, one that should have set forth some magnificent shows or plays. For if that great Work-master had been of a human disposition, He would have cast the stars into some pleasant and beautiful works and orders like the frets in the roofs of houses; whereas one can scarce find a posture in square, or triangle, or straight line, amongst such an infinite number, so differing a harmony there is between the spirit of man and the spirit of Nature.

(10) Let us consider again the false appearances imposed upon us by every man’s own individual nature and custom in that feigned supposition that Plato maketh of the cave; for certainly if a child were continued in a grot or cave under the earth until maturity of age, and came suddenly abroad, he would have strange and absurd im-aginations. So, in like manner, although our persons live in the view of heaven, yet our spirits are included in the caves of our own complexions and customs, which minister unto us infinite errors and vain opinions if they be not recalled to examination. But hereof we have given many examples in one of the errors, or peccant humours, which we ran briefly over in our first book.

(11) And lastly, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by words, which are framed and applied according to the conceit and capacities of the vulgar sort; and although we think we govern our words, and prescribe it well lo-quendum ut vulgus sentiendum ut sapientes, yet certain it is that words, as a Tartar’s bow, do shoot back upon the understanding of the wisest, and mightily entangle and pervert the judgment. So as it is almost necessary in all controversies and disputations to imitate the wisdom of the mathematicians, in setting down in the very beginning the definitions of our words and terms, that others may know how we accept and understand them, and whether they concur with us or no. For it cometh to pass, for want of this, that we are sure to end there where we ought to have begun, which is, in questions and differences about words. To conclude, therefore, it must be confessed that it is not possible to divorce ourselves from these fallacies and false appearances because they are inseparable from our nature and condition of life; so yet, nevertheless, the caution of them (for all elenches, as was said, are but cautions) doth extremely import the true conduct of human judgment. The particular elenches or cautions against these three false appearances I find altogether deficient.

(12) There remaineth one part of judgment of great excellency which to mine under-standing is so slightly touched, as I may report that also deficient; which is the appli-cation of the differing kinds of proofs to the differing kinds of subjects. For there being but four kinds of demonstrations, that is, by the immediate consent of the mind or sense, by induction, by syllogism, and by congruity, which is that which Aris-totle calleth demonstration in orb or circle, and not a notioribus, every of these hath certain subjects in the matter of sciences, in which respectively they have chiefest use; and certain others, from which respectively they ought to be excluded; and the rigour and curiosity in requiring the more severe proofs in some things, and chiefly the facility in contenting ourselves with the more remiss proofs in others, hath been amongst the greatest causes of detriment and hindrance to knowledge. The distributions and assignations of demonstrations according to the analogy of sciences I note as deficient.

XV. 

(1) The custody or retaining of knowledge is either in writing or memory; whereof writing hath two parts, the nature of the character and the order of the entry. For the art of characters, or other visible notes of words or things, it hath nearest conjugation with grammar, and, therefore, I refer it to the due place; for the disposition and collocation of that knowledge which we preserve in writing, it consisteth in a good digest of common-places, wherein I am not ignorant of the prejudice imputed to the use of common-place books, as causing a retardation of reading, and some sloth or relaxation of memory. But because it is but a counterfeit thing in knowledges to be forward and pregnant, except a man be deep and full, I hold the entry of common-places to be a matter of great use and essence in studying, as that which assureth copy of invention, and contracteth judgment to a strength. But this is true, that of the methods of common-places that I have seen, there is none of any sufficient worth, all of them carrying merely the face of a school and not of a world; and referring to vulgar matters and pedantical divisions, without all life or respect to action.

(2) For the other principal part of the custody of knowledge, which is memory, I find that faculty in my judgment weakly inquired of. An art there is extant of it; but it seemeth to me that there are better precepts than that art, and better practices of that art than those received. It is certain the art (as it is) may be raised to points of ostentation prodigious; but in use (as is now managed) it is barren, not burdensome, nor dangerous to natural memory, as is imagined, but barren, that is, not dexterous to be applied to the serious use of business and occasions. And, therefore, I make no more estimation of repeating a great number of names or words upon once hearing, or the pouring forth of a number of verses or rhymes extempore, or the making of a satirical simile of everything, or the turning of everything to a jest, or the falsifying or contradicting of everything by cavil, or the like (whereof in the faculties of the mind there is great copy, and such as by device and practice may be exalted to an extreme degree of wonder), than I do of the tricks of tumblers, funambuloes, baladines; the one being the same in the mind that the other is in the body, matters of strangeness without worthiness.

(3) This art of memory is but built upon two intentions; the one prenotion, the other emblem. Prenotion dischargeth the indefinite seeking of that we would remember, and directeth us to seek in a narrow compass, that is, somewhat that hath congruity with our place of memory. Emblem reduceth conceits intellectual to images sensible, which strike the memory more; out of which axioms may be drawn much better practice than that in use; and besides which axioms, there are divers more touching help of memory not inferior to them. But I did in the beginning distinguish, not to report those things deficient, which are but only ill managed.

XVI. 

(1) There remaineth the fourth kind of rational knowledge, which is transitive, con-cerning the expressing or transferring our knowledge to others, which I will term by the general name of tradition or delivery. Tradition hath three parts: the first concerning the organ of tradition; the second concerning the method of tradition; and the third concerning the illustration of tradition.

(2) For the organ of tradition, it is either speech or writing; for Aristotle saith well, “Words are the images of cogitations, and letters are the images of words.” But yet it is not of necessity that cogitations be expressed by the medium of words. For what-soever is capable of sufficient differences, and those perceptible by the sense, is in nature competent to express cogitations. And, therefore, we see in the commerce of barbarous people that understand not one another’s language, and in the practice of divers that are dumb and deaf, that men’s minds are expressed in gestures, though not exactly, yet to serve the turn. And we understand further, that it is the use of China and the kingdoms of the High Levant to write in characters real, which express neither letters nor words in gross, but things or notions; insomuch as countries and provinces which understand not one another’s language can nevertheless read one another’s writings, because the characters are accepted more generally than the languages do extend; and, therefore, they have a vast multitude of characters, as many, I suppose, as radical words.

(3) These notes of cogitations are of two sorts: the one when the note hath some similitude or congruity with the notion; the other ad placitum, having force only by contract or acceptation. Of the former sort are hieroglyphics and gestures. For as to hieroglyphics (things of ancient use and embraced chiefly by the Egyptians, one of the most ancient nations), they are but as continued impresses and emblems. And as for gestures, they are as transitory hieroglyphics, and are to hieroglyphics as words spoken are to words written, in that they abide not; but they have evermore, as well as the other, an affinity with the things signified. As Periander, being consulted with how to preserve a tyranny newly usurped, bid the messenger attend and report what he saw him do; and went into his garden and topped all the highest flowers, signifying that it consisted in the cutting off and keeping low of the nobility and grandees. Ad placitum, are the characters real before mentioned, and words: although some have been willing by curious inquiry, or rather by apt feigning, to have derived imposition of names from reason and intendment; a speculation elegant, and, by reason it searcheth into antiquity, reverent, but sparingly mixed with truth, and of small fruit. This portion of knowledge touching the notes of things and cogitations in general, I find not inquired, but deficient. And although it may seem of no great use, considering that words and writings by letters do far excel all the other ways; yet because this part concerneth, as it were, the mint of knowledge (for words are the tokens current and accepted for conceits, as moneys are for values, and that it is fit men be not ignorant that moneys may be of another kind than gold and silver), I thought good to propound it to better inquiry.

(4) Concerning speech and words, the consideration of them hath produced the science of grammar. For man still striveth to reintegrate himself in those benedictions, from which by his fault he hath been deprived; and as he hath striven against the first general curse by the invention of all other arts, so hath he sought to come forth of the second general curse (which was the confusion of tongues) by the art of grammar; whereof the use in a mother tongue is small, in a foreign tongue more; but most in such foreign tongues as have ceased to be vulgar tongues, and are turned only to learned tongues. The duty of it is of two natures: the one popular, which is for the speedy and perfect attaining languages, as well for intercourse of speech as for understanding of authors; the other philosophical, examining the power and nature of words, as they are the footsteps and prints of reason: which kind of analogy between words and reason is handled sparsim, brokenly though not entirely; and, therefore, I cannot report it deficient, though I think it very worthy to be reduced into a science by itself.

(5) Unto grammar also belongeth, as an appendix, the consideration of the accidents of words; which are measure, sound, and elevation or accent, and the sweetness and harshness of them: whence hath issued some curious observations in rhetoric, but chiefly poesy, as we consider it, in respect of the verse and not of the argument. Wherein though men in learned tongues do tie themselves to the ancient measures, yet in modern languages it seemeth to me as free to make new measures of verses as of dances; for a dance is a measured pace, as a verse is a measured speech. In these things this sense is better judge than the art:

“Cœnæ fercula nostræ

Mallem convivis quam placuisse cocis.”

And of the servile expressing antiquity in an unlike and an unfit subject, it is well said, “Quod tempore antiquum videtur, id incongruitate est maxime novum.”

(6) For ciphers, they are commonly in letters or alphabets, but may be in words. The kinds of ciphers (besides the simple ciphers, with changes, and intermixtures of nulls and non-significants) are many, according to the nature or rule of the infolding, wheel-ciphers, key-ciphers, doubles, &amp;c. But the virtues of them, whereby they are to be preferred, are three; that they be not laborious to write and read; that they be im-possible to decipher; and, in some cases, that they be without suspicion. The highest degree whereof is to write omnia per omnia; which is undoubtedly possible, with a proportion quintuple at most of the writing infolding to the writing infolded, and no other restraint whatsoever. This art of ciphering hath for relative an art of deciphering, by supposition unprofitable, but, as things are, of great use. For suppose that ciphers were well managed, there be multitudes of them which exclude the decipherer. But in regard of the rawness and unskilfulness of the hands through which they pass, the greatest matters are many times carried in the weakest ciphers.

(7) In the enumeration of these private and retired arts it may be thought I seek to make a great muster-roll of sciences, naming them for show and ostentation, and to little other purpose. But let those, which are skilful in them, judge whether I bring them in only for appearance, or whether in that which I speak of them (though in few words) there be not some seed of proficience. And this must be remembered, that as there be many of great account in their countries and provinces, which, when they come up to the seat of the estate, are but of mean rank and scarcely regarded; so these arts, being here placed with the principal and supreme sciences, seem petty things: yet to such as have chosen them to spend their labours and studies in them, they seem great matters.

XVII. 

(1) For the method of tradition, I see it hath moved a controversy in our time. But as in civil business, if there be a meeting, and men fall at words, there is commonly an end of the matter for that time, and no proceeding at all; so in learning, where there is much controversy, there is many times little inquiry. For this part of knowledge of method seemeth to me so weakly inquired as I shall report it deficient.

(2) Method hath been placed, and that not amiss, in logic, as a part of judgment. For as the doctrine of syllogisms comprehendeth the rules of judgment upon that which is invented, so the doctrine of method containeth the rules of judgment upon that which is to be delivered; for judgment precedeth delivery, as it followeth invention. Neither is the method or the nature of the tradition material only to the use of knowledge, but likewise to the progression of knowledge: for since the labour and life of one man cannot attain to perfection of knowledge, the wisdom of the tradition is that which inspireth the felicity of continuance and proceeding. And therefore the most real diversity of method is of method referred to use, and method referred to progression: whereof the one may be termed magistral, and the other of probation.

(3) The latter whereof seemeth to be via deserta et interclusa. For as knowledges are now delivered, there is a kind of contract of error between the deliverer and the receiver. For he that delivereth knowledge desireth to deliver it in such form as may be best believed, and not as may be best examined; and he that receiveth knowledge desireth rather present satisfaction than expectant inquiry; and so rather not to doubt, than not to err: glory making the author not to lay open his weakness, and sloth making the disciple not to know his strength.

(4) But knowledge that is delivered as a thread to be spun on ought to be delivered and intimated, if it were possible, in the same method wherein it was invented: and so is it possible of knowledge induced. But in this same anticipated and prevented knowledge, no man knoweth how he came to the knowledge which he hath obtained. But yet, nevertheless, secundum majus et minus, a man may revisit and descend unto the foundations of his knowledge and consent; and so transplant it into another, as it grew in his own mind. For it is in knowledges as it is in plants: if you mean to use the plant, it is no matter for the roots - but if you mean to remove it to grow, then it is more assured to rest upon roots than slips: so the delivery of knowledges (as it is now used) is as of fair bodies of trees without the roots; good for the carpenter, but not for the planter. But if you will have sciences grow, it is less matter for the shaft or body of the tree, so you look well to the taking up of the roots. Of which kind of delivery the method of the mathematics, in that subject, hath some shadow: but generally I see it neither put in use nor put in inquisition, and therefore note it for deficient.

(5) Another diversity of method there is, which hath some affinity with the former, used in some cases by the discretion of the ancients, but disgraced since by the im-postures of many vain persons, who have made it as a false light for their counterfeit merchandises; and that is enigmatical and disclosed. The pretence whereof is, to re-move the vulgar capacities from being admitted to the secrets of knowledges, and to reserve them to selected auditors, or wits of such sharpness as can pierce the veil.

(6) Another diversity of method, whereof the consequence is great, is the delivery of knowledge in aphorisms, or in methods; wherein we may observe that it hath been too much taken into custom, out of a few axioms or observations upon any subject, to make a solemn and formal art, filling it with some discourses, and illustrating it with examples, and digesting it into a sensible method. But the writing in aphorisms hath many excellent virtues, whereto the writing in method doth not approach.

(7) For first, it trieth the writer, whether he be superficial or solid: for aphorisms, except they should be ridiculous, cannot be made but of the pith and heart of sciences; for discourse of illustration is cut off; recitals of examples are cut off; discourse of connection and order is cut off; descriptions of practice are cut off. So there remaineth nothing to fill the aphorisms but some good quantity of observation; and therefore no man can suffice, nor in reason will attempt, to write aphorisms, but he that is sound and grounded. But in methods,

“Tantum series juncturaque pollet,

Tantum de medio sumptis accedit honoris,”

as a man shall make a great show of an art, which, if it were disjointed, would come to little. Secondly, methods are more fit to win consent or belief, but less fit to point to action; for they carry a kind of demonstration in orb or circle, one part illuminating another, and therefore satisfy. But particulars being dispersed do best agree with dispersed directions. And lastly, aphorisms, representing a knowledge broken, do invite men to inquire further; whereas methods, carrying the show of a total, do secure men, as if they were at furthest.

(8) Another diversity of method, which is likewise of great weight, is the handling of knowledge by assertions and their proofs, or by questions and their determinations. The latter kind whereof, if it be immoderately followed, is as prejudicial to the pro-ceeding of learning as it is to the proceeding of an army to go about to besiege every little fort or hold. For if the field be kept, and the sum of the enterprise pursued, those smaller things will come in of themselves: indeed a man would not leave some important piece enemy at his back. In like manner, the use of confutation in the deli-very of sciences ought to be very sparing; and to serve to remove strong preoccupations and prejudgments, and not to minister and excite disputatious and doubts.

(9) Another diversity of method is, according to the subject or matter which is handled. For there is a great difference in delivery of the mathematics, which are the most abstracted of knowledges, and policy, which is the most immersed. And howsoever contention hath been moved, touching a uniformity of method in multiformity of matter, yet we see how that opinion, besides the weakness of it, hath been of ill desert towards learning, as that which taketh the way to reduce learning to certain empty and barren generalities; being but the very husks and shells of sciences, all the kernel being forced out and expulsed with the torture and press of the method. And, therefore, as I did allow well of particular topics for invention, so I do allow likewise of particular methods of tradition.

(10) Another diversity of judgment in the delivery and teaching of knowledge is, ac-cording unto the light and presuppositions of that which is delivered. For that know-ledge which is new, and foreign from opinions received, is to be delivered in another form than that that is agreeable and familiar; and therefore Aristotle, when he thinks to tax Democritus, doth in truth commend him, where he saith “If we shall indeed dispute, and not follow after similitudes,” &amp;c. For those whose conceits are seated in popular opinions need only but to prove or dispute; but those whose conceits are beyond popular opinions, have a double labour; the one to make themselves con-ceived, and the other to prove and demonstrate. So that it is of necessity with them to have recourse to similitudes and translations to express themselves. And therefore in the infancy of learning, and in rude times when those conceits which are now trivial were then new, the world was full of parables and similitudes; for else would men either have passed over without mark, or else rejected for paradoxes that which was offered, before they had understood or judged. So in divine learning, we see how frequent parables and tropes are, for it is a rule, that whatsoever science is not con-sonant to presuppositions must pray in aid of similitudes.

(11) There be also other diversities of methods vulgar and received: as that of reso-lution or analysis, of constitution or systasis, of concealment or cryptic, &amp;c., which I do allow well of, though I have stood upon those which are least handled and observed. All which I have remembered to this purpose, because I would erect and constitute one general inquiry (which seems to me deficient) touching the wisdom of tradition.

(12) But unto this part of knowledge, concerning method, doth further belong not only the architecture of the whole frame of a work, but also the several beams and columns thereof; not as to their stuff, but as to their quantity and figure. And therefore method considereth not only the disposition of the argument or subject, but likewise the propositions: not as to their truth or matter, but as to their limitation and manner. For herein Ramus merited better a great deal in reviving the good rules of propositions - Καθολον πρωτον, κυτα παντος &amp;c. - than he did in introducing the canker of epitomes; and yet (as it is the condition of human things that, according to the ancient fables, “the most precious things have the most pernicious keepers”) it was so, that the attempt of the one made him fall upon the other. For he had need be well conducted that should design to make axioms convertible, if he make them not withal circular, and non-promovent, or incurring into themselves; but yet the intention was excellent.

(13) The other considerations of method, concerning propositions, are chiefly touching the utmost propositions, which limit the dimensions of sciences: for every knowledge may be fitly said, besides the profundity (which is the truth and substance of it, that makes it solid), to have a longitude and a latitude; accounting the latitude towards other sciences, and the longitude towards action; that is, from the greatest generality to the most particular precept. The one giveth rule how far one knowledge ought to intermeddle within the province of another, which is the rule they call Καθαυτο; the other giveth rule unto what degree of particularity a knowledge should descend: which latter I find passed over in silence, being in my judgment the more material. For certainty there must be somewhat left to practice; but how much is worthy the inquiry? We see remote and superficial generalities do but offer knowledge to scorn of practical men; and are no more aiding to practice than an Ortelius’ universal map is to direct the way between London and York. The better sort of rules have been not unfitly compared to glasses of steel unpolished, where you may see the images of things, but first they must be filed: so the rules will help if they be laboured and polished by practice. But how crystalline they may be made at the first, and how far forth they may be polished aforehand, is the question, the inquiry whereof seemeth to me deficient.

(14) There hath been also laboured and put in practice a method, which is not a lawful method, but a method of imposture: which is, to deliver knowledges in such manner as men may speedily come to make a show of learning, who have it not. Such was the travail of Raymundus Lullius in making that art which bears his name; not unlike to some books of typocosmy, which have been made since; being nothing but a mass of words of all arts, to give men countenance, that those which use the terms might be thought to understand the art; which collections are much like a fripper’s or broker’s shop, that hath ends of everything, but nothing of worth.

XVIII. 

(1) Now we descend to that part which concerneth the illustration of tradition, com-prehended in that science which we call rhetoric, or art of eloquence, a science excellent, and excellently well laboured. For although in true value it is inferior to wisdom (as it is said by God to Moses, when he disabled himself for want of this faculty, “Aaron shall be thy speaker, and thou shalt be to him as God”), yet with people it is the more mighty; for so Solomon saith, Sapiens corde appellabitur prudens, sed dulcis eloquio majora reperiet, signifying that profoundness of wisdom will help a man to a name or admiration, but that it is eloquence that prevaileth in an active life. And as to the labouring of it, the emulation of Aristotle with the rhetoricians of his time, and the experience of Cicero, hath made them in their works of rhetoric exceed themselves. Again, the excellency of examples of eloquence in the orations of Demosthenes and Cicero, added to the perfection of the precepts of eloquence, hath doubled the progression in this art; and therefore the deficiences which I shall note will rather be in some collections, which may as handmaids attend the art, than in the rules or use of the art itself.

(2) Notwithstanding, to stir the earth a little about the roots of this science, as we have done of the rest, the duty and office of rhetoric is to apply reason to imagination for the better moving of the will. For we see reason is disturbed in the administration thereof by three means - by illaqueation or sophism, which pertains to logic; by imagination or impression, which pertains to rhetoric; and by passion or affection, which pertains to morality. And as in negotiation with others, men are wrought by cunning, by importunity, and by vehemency; so in this negotiation within ourselves, men are undermined by inconsequences, solicited and importuned by impressions or observations, and transported by passions. Neither is the nature of man so unfortu-nately built, as that those powers and arts should have force to disturb reason, and not to establish and advance it. For the end of logic is to teach a form of argument to secure reason, and not to entrap it; the end of morality is to procure the affections to obey reason, and not to invade it; the end of rhetoric is to fill the imagination to second reason, and not to oppress it; for these abuses of arts come in but ex oblique, for caution.

(3) And therefore it was great injustice in Plato, though springing out of a just hatred to the rhetoricians of his time, to esteem of rhetoric but as a voluptuary art, resembling it to cookery, that did mar wholesome meats, and help unwholesome by variety of sauces to the pleasure of the taste. For we see that speech is much more conversant in adorning that which is good than in colouring that which is evil; for there is no man but speaketh more honestly than he can do or think; and it was excellently noted by Thucydides, in Cleon, that because he used to hold on the bad side in causes of estate, therefore he was ever inveighing against eloquence and good speech, knowing that no man can speak fair of courses sordid and base. And therefore, as Plato said elegantly, “That virtue, if she could be seen, would move great love and affection;” so seeing that she cannot be showed to the sense by corporal shape, the next degree is to show her to the imagination in lively representation; for to show her to reason only in subtlety of argument was a thing ever derided in Chrysippus and many of the Stoics, who thought to thrust virtue upon men by sharp disputations and conclusions, which have no sympathy with the will of man.

(4) Again, if the affections in themselves were pliant and obedient to reason, it were true there should be no great use of persuasions and insinuations to the will, more than of naked proposition and proofs; but in regard of the continual mutinies and seditious of the affections -

“Video meliora, proboque,

Deteriora sequor,”

reason would become captive and servile, if eloquence of persuasions did not practise and win the imagination from the affections’ part, and contract a confederacy between the reason and imagination against the affections; for the affections themselves carry ever an appetite to good, as reason doth. The difference is, that the affection beholdeth merely the present; reason beholdeth the future and sum of time. And, therefore, the present filling the imagination more, reason is commonly vanquished; but after that force of eloquence and persuasion hath made things future and remote appear as present, then upon the revolt of the imagination reason prevaileth.

(5) We conclude, therefore, that rhetoric can be no more charged with the colouring of the worst part, than logic with sophistry, or morality with vice; for we know the doctrines of contraries are the same, though the use be opposite. It appeareth also that logic differeth from rhetoric, not only as the fist from the palm - the one close, the other at large - but much more in this, that logic handleth reason exact and in truth, and rhetoric handleth it as it is planted in popular opinions and manners. And therefore Aristotle doth wisely place rhetoric as between logic on the one side, and moral or civil knowledge on the other, as participating of both; for the proofs and demonstrations of logic are toward all men indifferent and the same, but the proofs and persuasions of rhetoric ought to differ according to the auditors:

“Orpheus in sylvis, inter delphinas Arion.”

Which application in perfection of idea ought to extend so far that if a man should speak of the same thing to several persons, he should speak to them all respectively and several ways; though this politic part of eloquence in private speech it is easy for the greatest orators to want: whilst, by the observing their well-graced forms of speech, they leese the volubility of application; and therefore it shall not be amiss to recommend this to better inquiry, not being curious whether we place it here or in that part which concerneth policy.

(6) Now therefore will I descend to the deficiences, which, as I said, are but attendances; and first, I do not find the wisdom and diligence of Aristotle well pursued, who began to make a collection of the popular signs and colours of good and evil, both simple and comparative, which are as the sophisms of rhetoric (as I touched before). For example -

“Sophisma.

Quod laudatur, bonum: quod vituperatur, malum.

Redargutio.

Laudat venales qui vult extrudere merces.”

Malum est, malum est (inquit emptor): sed cum recesserit, tum gloriabitur! The defects in the labour of Aristotle are three - one, that there be but a few of many; another, that there elenches are not annexed; and the third, that he conceived but a part of the use of them: for their use is not only in probation, but much more in impression. For many forms are equal in signification which are differing in impression, as the difference is great in the piercing of that which is sharp and that which is flat, though the strength of the percussion be the same. For there is no man but will be a little more raised by hearing it said, “Your enemies will be glad of this” -

“Hoc Ithacus velit, et magno mercentur Atridæ.”

than by hearing it said only, “This is evil for you.”

(7) Secondly, I do resume also that which I mentioned before, touching provision or preparatory store for the furniture of speech and readiness of invention, which ap-peareth to be of two sorts: the one in resemblance to a shop of pieces unmade up, the other to a shop of things ready made up; both to be applied to that which is frequent and most in request. The former of these I will call antitheta, and the latter formulæ.

(8) Antitheta are theses argued pro et contra, wherein men may be more large and la-borious; but (in such as are able to do it) to avoid prolixity of entry, I wish the seeds of the several arguments to be cast up into some brief and acute sentences, not to be cited, but to be as skeins or bottoms of thread, to be unwinded at large when they come to be used; supplying authorities and examples by reference.

“Pro verbis legis.

Non est interpretatio, sed divinatio, quæ recedit a litera:

Cum receditur a litera, judex transit in legislatorem.

Pro sententia legis.

Ex omnibus verbis est eliciendus sensus qui interpretatur singula.”

(9) Formulæ are but decent and apt passages or conveyances of speech, which may serve indifferently for differing subjects; as of preface, conclusion, digression, transi-tion, excusation, &amp;c. For as in buildings there is great pleasure and use in the well casting of the staircases, entries, doors, windows, and the like; so in speech, the con-veyances and passages are of special ornament and effect.

“A conclusion in a deliberative.

So may we redeem the faults passed, and prevent the inconveniences future.”

XIX. 

(1) There remain two appendices touching the tradition of knowledge, the one critical, the other pedantical. For all knowledge is either delivered by teachers, or attained by men’s proper endeavours: and therefore as the principal part of tradition of knowledge concerneth chiefly writing of books, so the relative part thereof concerneth reading of books; whereunto appertain incidently these considerations. The first is concerning the true correction and edition of authors; wherein nevertheless rash diligence hath done great prejudice. For these critics have often presumed that that which they understand not is false set down: as the priest that, where he found it written of St. Paul Demissus est per sportam, mended his book, and made it Demissus est per portam; because sporta was a hard word, and out of his reading: and surely their errors, though they be not so palpable and ridiculous, yet are of the same kind. And therefore, as it hath been wisely noted, the most corrected copies are commonly the least correct.

The second is concerning the exposition and explication of authors, which resteth in annotations and commentaries: wherein it is over usual to blanch the obscure places and discourse upon the plain.

The third is concerning the times, which in many cases give great light to true inter-pretations.

The fourth is concerning some brief censure and judgment of the authors; that men thereby may make some election unto themselves what books to read.

And the fifth is concerning the syntax and disposition of studies; that men may know in what order or pursuit to read.

(2) For pedantical knowledge, it containeth that difference of tradition which is proper for youth; whereunto appertain divers considerations of great fruit.

As first, the timing and seasoning of knowledges; as with what to initiate them, and from what for a time to refrain them.

Secondly, the consideration where to begin with the easiest, and so proceed to the more difficult; and in what courses to press the more difficult, and then to turn them to the more easy; for it is one method to practise swimming with bladders, and another to practise dancing with heavy shoes.

A third is the application of learning according unto the propriety of the wits; for there is no defect in the faculties intellectual, but seemeth to have a proper cure contained in some studies: as, for example, if a child be bird-witted, that is, hath not the faculty of attention, the mathematics giveth a remedy thereunto; for in them, if the wit be caught away but a moment, one is new to begin. And as sciences have a propriety towards faculties for cure and help, so faculties or powers have a sympathy towards sciences for excellency or speedy profiting: and therefore it is an inquiry of great wisdom, what kinds of wits and natures are most apt and proper for what sciences.

Fourthly, the ordering of exercises is matter of great consequence to hurt or help: for, as is well observed by Cicero, men in exercising their faculties, if they be not well advised, do exercise their faults and get ill habits as well as good; so as there is a great judgment to be had in the continuance and intermission of exercises. It were too long to particularise a number of other considerations of this nature, things but of mean appearance, but of singular efficacy. For as the wronging or cherishing of seeds or young plants is that that is most important to their thriving, and as it was noted that the first six kings being in truth as tutors of the state of Rome in the infancy thereof was the principal cause of the immense greatness of that state which followed, so the culture and manurance of minds in youth hath such a forcible (though unseen) operation, as hardly any length of time or contention of labour can countervail it afterwards. And it is not amiss to observe also how small and mean faculties gotten by education, yet when they fall into great men or great matters, do work great and important effects: whereof we see a notable example in Tacitus of two stage players, Percennius and Vibulenus, who by their faculty of playing put the Pannonian armies into an extreme tumult and combustion. For there arising a mutiny amongst them upon the death of Augustus Cæsar, Blæsus the lieutenant had committed some of the mutineers, which were suddenly rescued; whereupon Vibulenus got to be heard speak, which he did in this manner:- “These poor innocent wretches appointed to cruel death, you have restored to behold the light; but who shall restore my brother to me, or life unto my brother, that was sent hither in message from the legions of Germany, to treat of the common cause? and he hath murdered him this last night by some of his fencers and ruffians, that he hath about him for his executioners upon soldiers. Answer, Blæsus, what is done with his body? The mortalest enemies do not deny burial. When I have performed my last duties to the corpse with kisses, with tears, command me to be slain besides him; so that these my fellows, for our good meaning and our true hearts to the legions, may have leave to bury us.” With which speech he put the army into an infinite fury and uproar: whereas truth was he had no brother, neither was there any such matter; but he played it merely as if he had been upon the stage.

(3) But to return: we are now come to a period of rational knowledges; wherein if I have made the divisions other than those that are received, yet would I not be thought to disallow all those divisions which I do not use. For there is a double necessity imposed upon me of altering the divisions. The one, because it differeth in end and purpose, to sort together those things which are next in nature, and those things which are next in use. For if a secretary of estate should sort his papers, it is like in his study or general cabinet he would sort together things of a nature, as treaties, instructions, &amp;c. But in his boxes or particular cabinet he would sort together those that he were like to use together, though of several natures. So in this general cabinet of knowledge it was necessary for me to follow the divisions of the nature of things; whereas if myself had been to handle any particular knowledge, I would have respected the divisions fittest for use. The other, because the bringing in of the deficiences did by consequence alter the partitions of the rest. For let the knowledge extant (for demonstration sake) be fifteen. Let the knowledge with the deficiences be twenty; the parts of fifteen are not the parts of twenty; for the parts of fifteen are three and five; the parts of twenty are two, four, five, and ten. So as these things are without contradiction, and could not otherwise be.

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(1) We proceed now to that knowledge which considereth of the appetite and will of man: whereof Solomon saith, Ante omnia, fili, custodi cor tuum: nam inde procedunt actiones vitæ. In the handling of this science, those which have written seem to me to have done as if a man, that professed to teach to write, did only exhibit fair copies of alphabets and letters joined, without giving any precepts or directions for the carriage of the hand and framing of the letters. So have they made good and fair exemplars and copies, carrying the draughts and portraitures of good, virtue, duty, felicity; propounding them well described as the true objects and scopes of man’s will and desires. But how to attain these excellent marks, and how to frame and subdue the will of man to become true and conformable to these pursuits, they pass it over altogether, or slightly and unprofitably. For it is not the disputing that moral virtues are in the mind of man by habit and not by nature, or the distinguishing that generous spirits are won by doctrines and persuasions, and the vulgar sort by reward and punishment, and the like scattered glances and touches, that can excuse the absence of this part.

(2) The reason of this omission I suppose to be that hidden rock whereupon both this and many other barks of knowledge have been cast away; which is, that men have despised to be conversant in ordinary and common matters, the judicious direction whereof nevertheless is the wisest doctrine (for life consisteth not in novelties nor subtleties), but contrariwise they have compounded sciences chiefly of a certain resplendent or lustrous mass of matter, chosen to give glory either to the subtlety of disputatious, or to the eloquence of discourses. But Seneca giveth an excellent check to eloquence, Nocet illis eloquentia, quibus non rerum cupiditatem facit, sed sui. Doctrine should be such as should make men in love with the lesson, and not with the teacher; being directed to the auditor’s benefit, and not to the author’s commendation. And therefore those are of the right kind which may be concluded as Demosthenes concludes his counsel, Quæ si feceritis, non oratorem dumtaxat in præsentia laudabitis, sed vosmetipsos etiam non ita multo post statu rerum vestraram meliore.

(3) Neither needed men of so excellent parts to have despaired of a fortune, which the poet Virgil promised himself, and indeed obtained, who got as much glory of eloquence, wit, and learning in the expressing of the observations of husbandry, as of the heroical acts of Æneas:

“Nec sum animi dubius, verbis ea vincere magnum

Quam sit, et angustis his addere rebus honorem.”

And surely, if the purpose be in good earnest, not to write at leisure that which men may read at leisure, but really to instruct and suborn action and active life, these Georgics of the mind, concerning the husbandry and tillage thereof, are no less worthy than the heroical descriptions of virtue, duty, and felicity. Wherefore the main and primitive division of moral knowledge seemeth to be into the exemplar or platform of good, and the regiment or culture of the mind: the one describing the nature of good, the other prescribing rules how to subdue, apply, and accommodate the will of man thereunto.

(4) The doctrine touching the platform or nature of good considereth it either simple or compared; either the kinds of good, or the degrees of good; in the latter whereof those infinite disputatious which were touching the supreme degree thereof, which they term felicity, beatitude, or the highest good, the doctrines concerning which were as the heathen divinity, are by the Christian faith discharged. And as Aristotle saith, “That young men may be happy, but not otherwise but by hope;” so we must all acknowledge our minority, and embrace the felicity which is by hope of the future world.

(5) Freed therefore and delivered from this doctrine of the philosopher’s heaven, whereby they feigned a higher elevation of man’s nature than was (for we see in what height of style Seneca writeth, Vere magnum, habere fragilitatem hominis, securitatem Dei), we may with more sobriety and truth receive the rest of their inquiries and labours. Wherein for the nature of good positive or simple, they have set it down ex-cellently in describing the forms of virtue and duty, with their situations and postures; in distributing them into their kinds, parts, provinces, actions, and administrations, and the like: nay further, they have commended them to man’s nature and spirit with great quickness of argument and beauty of persuasions; yea, and fortified and entrenched them (as much as discourse can do) against corrupt and popular opinions. Again, for the degrees and comparative nature of good, they have also excellently handled it in their triplicity of good, in the comparisons between a contemplative and an active life, in the distinction between virtue with reluctation and virtue secured, in their encounters between honesty and profit, in their balancing of virtue with virtue, and the like; so as this part deserveth to be reported for excellently laboured.

(6) Notwithstanding, if before they had come to the popular and received notions of virtue and vice, pleasure and pain, and the rest, they had stayed a little longer upon the inquiry concerning the roots of good and evil, and the strings of those roots, they had given, in my opinion, a great light to that which followed; and specially if they had consulted with nature, they had made their doctrines less prolix and more profound: which being by them in part omitted and in part handled with much confusion, we will endeavour to resume and open in a more clear manner.

(7) There is formed in everything a double nature of good - the one, as everything is a total or substantive in itself; the other, as it is a part or member of a greater body; whereof the latter is in degree the greater and the worthier, because it tendeth to the conservation of a more general form. Therefore we see the iron in particular sympathy moveth to the loadstone; but yet if it exceed a certain quantity, it forsaketh the affection to the loadstone, and like a good patriot moveth to the earth, which is the region and country of massy bodies; so may we go forward, and see that water and massy bodies move to the centre of the earth; but rather than to suffer a divulsion in the continuance of nature, they will move upwards from the centre of the earth, forsaking their duty to the earth in regard of their duty to the world. This double nature of good, and the comparative thereof, is much more engraven upon man, if he degenerate not, unto whom the conservation of duty to the public ought to be much more precious than the conservation of life and being; according to that memorable speech of Pompeius Magnus, when being in commission of purveyance for a famine at Rome, and being dissuaded with great vehemency and instance by his friends about him, that he should not hazard himself to sea in an extremity of weather, he said only to them, Necesse est ut eam, non ut vivam. But it may be truly affirmed that there was never any philosophy, religion, or other discipline, which did so plainly and highly exalt the good which is communicative, and depress the good which is private and particular, as the Holy Faith; well declaring that it was the same God that gave the Christian law to men, who gave those laws of nature to inanimate creatures that we spake of before; for we read that the elected saints of God have wished themselves anathematised and razed out of the book of life, in an ecstasy of charity and infinite feeling of communion.

(8) This being set down and strongly planted, doth judge and determine most of the controversies wherein moral philosophy is conversant. For first, it decideth the ques-tion touching the preferment of the contemplative or active life, and decideth it against Aristotle. For all the reasons which he bringeth for the contemplative are private, and respecting the pleasure and dignity of a man’s self (in which respects no question the contemplative life hath the pre-eminence), not much unlike to that comparison which Pythagoras made for the gracing and magnifying of philosophy and contemplation, who being asked what he was, answered, “That if Hiero were ever at the Olympian games, he knew the manner, that some came to try their fortune for the prizes, and some came as merchants to utter their commodities, and some came to make good cheer and meet their friends, and some came to look on; and that he was one of them that came to look on.” But men must know, that in this theatre of man’s life it is reserved only for God and angels to be lookers on. Neither could the like question ever have been received in the Church, notwithstanding their Pretiosa in oculis Domini mors sanctorum ejus, by which place they would exalt their civil death and regular professions, but upon this defence, that the monastical life is not simple contemplative, but performeth the duty either of incessant prayers and supplications, which hath been truly esteemed as an office in the Church, or else of writing or taking instructions for writing concerning the law of God, as Moses did when he abode so long in the mount. And so we see Enoch, the seventh from Adam, who was the first contemplative and walked with God, yet did also endow the Church with prophecy, which Saint Jude citeth. But for contemplation which should be finished in itself, without casting beams upon society, assuredly divinity knoweth it not.

(9) It decideth also the controversies between Zeno and Socrates, and their schools and successions, on the one side, who placed felicity in virtue simply or attended, the actions and exercises whereof do chiefly embrace and concern society; and on the other side, the Cyrenaics and Epicureans, who placed it in pleasure, and made virtue (as it is used in some comedies of errors, wherein the mistress and the maid change habits) to be but as a servant, without which pleasure cannot be served and attended; and the reformed school of the Epicureans, which placed it in serenity of mind and freedom from perturbation; as if they would have deposed Jupiter again, and restored Saturn and the first age, when there was no summer nor winter, spring nor autumn, but all after one air and season; and Herillus, which placed felicity in extinguishment of the disputes of the mind, making no fixed nature of good and evil, esteeming things according to the clearness of the desires, or the reluctation; which opinion was revived in the heresy of the Anabaptists, measuring things according to the motions of the spirit, and the constancy or wavering of belief; all which are manifest to tend to private repose and contentment, and not to point of society.

(10) It censureth also the philosophy of Epictetus, which presupposeth that felicity must be placed in those things which are in our power, lest we be liable to fortune and disturbance; as if it were not a thing much more happy to fail in good and virtuous ends for the public, than to obtain all that we can wish to ourselves in our proper fortune: as Consalvo said to his soldiers, showing them Naples, and protesting he had rather die one foot forwards, than to have his life secured for long by one foot of retreat. Whereunto the wisdom of that heavenly leader hath signed, who hath affirmed that “a good conscience is a continual feast;” showing plainly that the conscience of good intentions, howsoever succeeding, is a more continual joy to nature than all the provision which can be made for security and repose.

(11) It censureth likewise that abuse of philosophy which grew general about the time of Epictetus, in converting it into an occupation or profession; as if the purpose had been, not to resist and extinguish perturbations, but to fly and avoid the causes of them, and to shape a particular kind and course of life to that end; introducing such a health of mind, as was that health of body of which Aristotle speaketh of Herodicus, who did nothing all his life long but intend his health; whereas if men refer themselves to duties of society, as that health of body is best which is ablest to endure all alterations and extremities, so likewise that health of mind is most proper which can go through the greatest temptations and perturbations. So as Diogenes’ opinion is to be accepted, who commended not them which abstained, but them which sustained, and could refrain their mind in præcipitio, and could give unto the mind (as is used in horsemanship) the shortest stop or turn.

(12) Lastly, it censureth the tenderness and want of application in some of the most ancient and reverend philosophers and philosophical men, that did retire too easily from civil business, for avoiding of indignities and perturbations; whereas the resolu-tion of men truly moral ought to be such as the same Consalvo said the honour of a soldier should be, e telâ crassiore, and not so fine as that everything should catch in it and endanger it.

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(1) To resume private or particular good, it falleth into the division of good active and passive; for this difference of good (not unlike to that which amongst the Romans was expressed in the familiar or household terms of promus and condus) is formed also in all things, and is best disclosed in the two several appetites in creatures; the one to preserve or continue themselves, and the other to dilate or multiply themselves, whereof the latter seemeth to be the worthier; for in nature the heavens, which are the more worthy, are the agent, and the earth, which is the less worthy, is the patient. In the pleasures of living creatures, that of generation is greater than that of food. In divine doctrine, beatius est dare quam accipere. And in life, there is no man’s spirit so soft, but esteemeth the effecting of somewhat that he hath fixed in his desire, more than sensuality, which priority of the active good is much upheld by the consideration of our estate to be mortal and exposed to fortune. For if we might have a perpetuity and certainty in our pleasures, the state of them would advance their price. But when we see it is but magni æstimamus mori tardius, and ne glorieris de crastino, nescis partum diei, it maketh us to desire to have somewhat secured and exempted from time, which are only our deeds and works; as it is said, Opera eorum sequuntur eos. The pre-eminence likewise of this active good is upheld by the affection which is natural in man towards variety and proceeding, which in the pleasures of the sense, which is the principal part of passive good, can have no great latitude. Cogita quamdiu eadem feceris; cibus, somnus, ludus per hunc circulum curritur; mori velle non tantum fortis, aut miser, aut prudens, sed etiam fastidiosus potest. But in enterprises, pursuits, and purposes of life, there is much variety; whereof men are sensible with pleasure in their inceptions, progressions, recoils, reintegrations, approaches and attainings to their ends. So as it was well said, Vita sine proposito languida et vaga est. Neither hath this active good an identity with the good of society, though in some cases it hath an incidence into it. For although it do many times bring forth acts of beneficence, yet it is with a respect private to a man’s own power, glory, amplification, continuance; as appeareth plainly, when it findeth a contrary subject. For that gigantine state of mind which possesseth the troublers of the world, such as was Lucius Sylla and infinite other in smaller model, who would have all men happy or unhappy as they were their friends or enemies, and would give form to the world, according to their own humours (which is the true theomachy), pretendeth and aspireth to active good, though it recedeth furthest from good of society, which we have determined to be the greater.

(2) To resume passive good, it receiveth a subdivision of conservative and effective. For let us take a brief review of that which we have said: we have spoken first of the good of society, the intention whereof embraceth the form of human nature, whereof we are members and portions, and not our own proper and individual form; we have spoken of active good, and supposed it as a part of private and particular good. And rightly, for there is impressed upon all things a triple desire or appetite proceeding from love to themselves: one of preserving and continuing their form; another of advancing and perfecting their form; and a third of multiplying and extending their form upon other things: whereof the multiplying, or signature of it upon other things, is that which we handled by the name of active good. So as there remaineth the conserving of it, and perfecting or raising of it, which latter is the highest degree of passive good. For to preserve in state is the less, to preserve with advancement is the greater. So in man,

“Igneus est ollis vigor, et cælestis origo.”

His approach or assumption to divine or angelical nature is the perfection of his form; the error or false imitation of which good is that which is the tempest of human life; while man, upon the instinct of an advancement, formal and essential, is carried to seek an advancement local. For as those which are sick, and find no remedy, do tumble up and down and change place, as if by a remove local they could obtain a remove internal, so is it with men in ambition, when failing of the mean to exalt their nature, they are in a perpetual estuation to exalt their place. So then passive good is, as was said, either conservative or perfective.

(3) To resume the good of conservation or comfort, which consisteth in the fruition of that which is agreeable to our natures; it seemeth to be most pure and natural of pleasures, but yet the softest and lowest. And this also receiveth a difference, which hath neither been well judged of, nor well inquired; for the good of fruition or con-tentment is placed either in the sincereness of the fruition, or in the quickness and vigour of it; the one superinduced by equality, the other by vicissitude; the one having less mixture of evil, the other more impression of good. Whether of these is the greater good is a question controverted; but whether man’s nature may not be capable of both is a question not inquired.

(4) The former question being debated between Socrates and a sophist, Socrates placing felicity in an equal and constant peace of mind, and the sophist in much desiring and much enjoying, they fell from argument to ill words: the sophist saying that Socrates’ felicity was the felicity of a block or stone; and Socrates saying that the sophist’s felicity was the felicity of one that had the itch, who did nothing but itch and scratch. And both these opinions do not want their supports. For the opinion of Socrates is much upheld by the general consent even of the epicures themselves, that virtue beareth a great part in felicity; and if so, certain it is, that virtue hath more use in clearing perturbations then in compassing desires. The sophist’s opinion is much favoured by the assertion we last spake of, that good of advancement is greater than good of simple preservation; because every obtaining a desire hath a show of advancement, as motion though in a circle hath a show of progression.

(5) But the second question, decided the true way, maketh the former superfluous. For can it be doubted, but that there are some who take more pleasure in enjoying pleasures than some other, and yet, nevertheless, are less troubled with the loss or leaving of them? So as this same, Non uti ut non appetas, non appetere ut non me-tuas, sunt animi pusilli et diffidentis. And it seemeth to me that most of the doctrines of the philosophers are more fearful and cautious than the nature of things requireth. So have they increased the fear of death in offering to cure it. For when they would have a man’s whole life to be but a discipline or preparation to die, they must needs make men think that it is a terrible enemy, against whom there is no end of preparing. Better saith the poet:-

“Qui finem vitæ extremum inter munera ponat

Naturæ.”

So have they sought to make men’s minds too uniform and harmonical, by not breaking them sufficiently to contrary motions; the reasons whereof I suppose to be, because they themselves were men dedicated to a private, free, and unapplied course of life. For as we see, upon the lute or like instrument, a ground, though it be sweet and have show of many changes, yet breaketh not the hand to such strange and hard stops and passages, as a set song or voluntary; much after the same manner was the diversity between a philosophical and civil life. And, therefore, men are to imitate the wisdom of jewellers: who, if there be a grain, or a cloud, or an ice which may be ground forth without taking too much of the stone, they help it; but if it should lessen and abate the stone too much, they will not meddle with it: so ought men so to procure serenity as they destroy not magnanimity.

(6) Having therefore deduced the good of man which is private and particular, as far as seemeth fit, we will now return to that good of man which respecteth and beholdeth society, which we may term duty; because the term of duty is more proper to a mind well framed and disposed towards others, as the term of virtue is applied to a mind well formed and composed in itself; though neither can a man understand virtue without some relation to society, nor duty without an inward disposition. This part may seem at first to pertain to science civil and politic; but not if it be well observed. For it concerneth the regiment and government of every man over himself, and not over others. And as in architecture the direction of framing the posts, beams, and other parts of building, is not the same with the manner of joining them and erecting the building; and in mechanicals, the direction how to frame an instrument or engine is not the same with the manner of setting it on work and employing it; and yet, nevertheless, in expressing of the one you incidently express the aptness towards the other; so the doctrine of conjugation of men in society differeth from that of their conformity thereunto.

(7) This part of duty is subdivided into two parts: the common duty of every man, as a man or member of a state; the other, the respective or special duty of every man in his profession, vocation, and place. The first of these is extant and well laboured, as hath been said. The second likewise I may report rather dispersed than deficient; which manner of dispersed writing in this kind of argument I acknowledge to be best. For who can take upon him to write of the proper duty, virtue, challenge, and right of every several vocation, profession, and place? For although sometimes a looker on may see more than a gamester, and there be a proverb more arrogant than sound, “That the vale best discovereth the hill;” yet there is small doubt but that men can write best and most really and materially in their own professions; and that the writing of speculative men of active matter for the most part doth seem to men of experience, as Phormio’s argument of the wars seemed to Hannibal, to be but dreams and dotage. Only there is one vice which accompanieth them that write in their own professions, that they magnify them in excess. But generally it were to be wished (as that which would make learning indeed solid and fruitful) that active men would or could become writers.

(8) In which kind I cannot but mention, honoris causa, your Majesty’s excellent book touching the duty of a king; a work richly compounded of divinity, morality, and pol-icy, with great aspersion of all other arts; and being in some opinion one of the most sound and healthful writings that I have read: not distempered in the heat of inven-tion, nor in the coldness of negligence; not sick of dizziness, as those are who leese themselves in their order, nor of convulsions, as those which cramp in matters im-pertinent; not savouring of perfumes and paintings, as those do who seek to please the reader more than nature beareth; and chiefly well disposed in the spirits thereof, being agreeable to truth and apt for action; and far removed from that natural infirmity, whereunto I noted those that write in their own professions to be subject - which is, that they exalt it above measure. For your Majesty hath truly described, not a king of Assyria or Persia in their extern glory, but a Moses or a David, pastors of their people. Neither can I ever leese out of my remembrance what I heard your Majesty in the same sacred spirit of government deliver in a great cause of judicature, which was, “That kings ruled by their laws, as God did by the laws of nature; and ought as rarely to put in use their supreme prerogative as God doth His power of working miracles.” And yet notwithstanding in your book of a free monarchy, you do well give men to understand, that you know the plenitude of the power and right of a king, as well as the circle of his office and duty. Thus have I presumed to allege this excellent writing of your Majesty, as a prime or eminent example of tractates concerning special and respective duties; wherein I should have said as much, if it had been written a thousand years since. Neither am I moved with certain courtly decencies, which esteem it flattery to praise in presence. No, it is flattery to praise in absence - that is, when either the virtue is absent, or the occasion is absent; and so the praise is not natural, but forced, either in truth or in time. But let Cicero be read in his oration pro Marcello, which is nothing but an excellent table of Cæsar’s virtue, and made to his face; besides the example of many other excellent persons, wiser a great deal than such observers; and we will never doubt, upon a full occasion, to give just praises to present or absent.

(9) But to return; there belongeth further to the handling of this part, touching the duties of professions and vocations, a relative or opposite, touching the frauds, cautels, impostures, and vices of every profession, which hath been likewise handled; but how? rather in a satire and cynically, than seriously and wisely; for men have rather sought by wit to deride and traduce much of that which is good in professions, than with judgment to discover and sever that which is corrupt. For, as Solomon saith, he that cometh to seek after knowledge with a mind to scorn and censure shall be sure to find matter for his humour, but no matter for his instruction: Quærenti derisori scientiam ipsa se abscondit; sed studioso fit obviam. But the managing of this argument with integrity and truth, which I note as deficient, seemeth to me to be one of the best fortifications for honesty and virtue that can be planted. For, as the fable goeth of the basilisk - that if he see you first, you die for it; but if you see him first, he dieth - so is it with deceits and evil arts, which, if they be first espied they leese their life; but if they prevent, they endanger. So that we are much beholden to Machiavel and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do. For it is not possible to join serpentine wisdom with the columbine innocency, except men know exactly all the conditions of the serpent; his baseness and going upon his belly, his volubility and lubricity, his envy and sting, and the rest - that is, all forms and natures of evil. For without this, virtue lieth open and unfenced. Nay, an honest man can do no good upon those that are wicked, to reclaim them, without the help of the knowledge of evil. For men of corrupted minds presuppose that honesty groweth out of simplicity of manners, and believing of preachers, schoolmasters, and men’s exterior language. So as, except you can make them perceive that you know the utmost reaches of their own corrupt opinions, they despise all morality. Non recipit stultus verba prudentiæ, nisi ea dixeris quæ, versantur in corde ejus.

(10) Unto this part, touching respective duty, doth also appertain the duties between husband and wife, parent and child, master and servant. So likewise the laws of friendship and gratitude, the civil bond of companies, colleges, and politic bodies, of neighbourhood, and all other proportionate duties; not as they are parts of govern-ment and society, but as to the framing of the mind of particular persons.

(11) The knowledge concerning good respecting society doth handle it also, not simply alone, but comparatively; whereunto belongeth the weighing of duties between person and person, case and case, particular and public. As we see in the proceeding of Lucius Brutus against his own sons, which was so much extolled, yet what was said?

“Infelix, utcunque ferent ea fata minores.”

So the case was doubtful, and had opinion on both sides. Again, we see when M. Brutus and Cassius invited to a supper certain whose opinions they meant to feel, whether they were fit to be made their associates, and cast forth the question touching the killing of a tyrant being a usurper, they were divided in opinion; some holding that servitude was the extreme of evils, and others that tyranny was better than a civil war: and a number of the like cases there are of comparative duty. Amongst which that of all others is the most frequent, where the question is of a great deal of good to ensue of a small injustice. Which Jason of Thessalia determined against the truth: Aliqua sunt injuste facienda, ut multa juste fieri possint. But the reply is good: Auctorem præsentis justitiæ habes, sponsorem futuræ non habes. Men must pursue things which are just in present, and leave the future to the Divine Providence. So then we pass on from this general part touching the exemplar and description of good.

XXII. 

(1) Now, therefore, that we have spoken of this fruit of life, it remaineth to speak of the husbandry that belongeth thereunto, without which part the former seemeth to be no better than a fair image or statue, which is beautiful to contemplate, but is without life and motion; whereunto Aristotle himself subscribeth in these words: Necesse est scilicet de virtute dicere, et quid sit, et ex quibus gignatur. Inutile enum fere fuerit virtutem quidem nosse, acquirendæ autem ejus modos et vias ignorare. Non enum de virtute tantum, qua specie sit, quærendum est, sed et quomodo sui copiam faciat: utrumque enum volumeus, et rem ipsam nosse, et ejus compotes fieri: hoc autem ex voto non succedet, nisi sciamus et ex quibus et quomodo. In such full words and with such iteration doth he inculcate this part. So saith Cicero in great commendation of Cato the second, that he had applied himself to philosophy, Non ita disputandi causa, sed ita vivendi. And although the neglect of our times, wherein few men do hold any consultations touching the reformation of their life (as Seneca excellently saith, De partibus vitæ quisque deliberat, de summa nemo), may make this part seem superfluous; yet I must conclude with that aphorism of Hippocrates, Qui gravi morbo correpti dolores non sentiunt, iis mens ægrotat. They need medicine, not only to assuage the disease, but to awake the sense. And if it be said that the cure of men’s minds belongeth to sacred divinity, it is most true; but yet moral philosophy may be preferred unto her as a wise servant and humble handmaid. For as the Psalm saith, “That the eyes of the handmaid look perpetually towards the mistress,” and yet no doubt many things are left to the discretion of the handmaid to discern of the mistress’ will; so ought moral philosophy to give a constant attention to the doctrines of divinity, and yet so as it may yield of herself (within due limits) many sound and profitable directions.

(2) This part, therefore, because of the excellency thereof, I cannot but find exceeding strange that it is not reduced to written inquiry; the rather, because it consisteth of much matter, wherein both speech and action is often conversant; and such wherein the common talk of men (which is rare, but yet cometh sometimes to pass) is wiser than their books. It is reasonable, therefore, that we propound it in the more particularity, both for the worthiness, and because we may acquit ourselves for reporting it deficient, which seemeth almost incredible, and is otherwise conceived and presupposed by those themselves that have written. We will, therefore, enumerate some heads or points thereof, that it may appear the better what it is, and whether it be extant.

(3) First, therefore, in this, as in all things which are practical we ought to cast up our account, what is in our power, and what not; for the one may be dealt with by way of alteration, but the other by way of application only. The husbandman cannot com-mand neither the nature of the earth nor the seasons of the weather; no more can the physician the constitution of the patient nor the variety of accidents. So in the culture and cure of the mind of man, two things are without our command: points of Nature, and points of fortune. For to the basis of the one, and the conditions of the other, our work is limited and tied. In these things, therefore, it is left unto us to proceed by application

“Vincenda est omnis fertuna ferendo:”

and so likewise,

“Vincenda est omnis Natura ferendo.”

But when that we speak of suffering, we do not speak of a dull and neglected suffer-ing, but of a wise and industrious suffering, which draweth and contriveth use and advantage out of that which seemeth adverse and contrary; which is that properly which we call accommodating or applying. Now the wisdom of application resteth principally in the exact and distinct knowledge of the precedent state or disposition, unto which we do apply; for we cannot fit a garment except we first take measure of the body.

(4) So, then, the first article of this knowledge is to set down sound and true distri-butions and descriptions of the several characters and tempers of men’s natures and dispositions, specially having regard to those differences which are most radical in being the fountains and causes of the rest, or most frequent in concurrence or commixture; wherein it is not the handling of a few of them in passage, the better to describe the mediocrities of virtues, that can satisfy this intention. For if it deserve to be considered, that there are minds which are proportioned to great matters, and others to small (which Aristotle handleth, or ought to have bandied, by the name of magnanimity), doth it not deserve as well to be considered that there are minds proportioned to intend many matters, and others to few? So that some can divide themselves: others can perchance do exactly well, but it must be but in few things at once; and so there cometh to be a narrowness of mind, as well as a pusillanimity. And again, that some minds are proportioned to that which may be dispatched at once, or within a short return of time; others to that which begins afar off, and is to be won with length of pursuit:-

“Jam tum tenditqus fovetque.”

So that there may be fitly said to be a longanimity, which is commonly also ascribed to God as a magnanimity. So further deserved it to be considered by Aristotle, “That there is a disposition in conversation (supposing it in things which do in no sort touch or concern a man’s self) to soothe and please, and a disposition contrary to contradict and cross;” and deserveth it not much better to be considered. “That there is a disposition, not in conversation or talk, but in matter of more serious nature (and supposing it still in things merely indifferent), to take pleasure in the good of another; and a disposition contrariwise, to take distaste at the good of another?” which is that properly which we call good nature or ill nature, benignity or malignity; and, therefore, I cannot sufficiently marvel that this part of knowledge, touching the several characters of natures and dispositions, should be omitted both in morality and policy, considering it is of so great ministry and suppeditation to them both. A man shall find in the traditions of astrology some pretty and apt divisions of men’s natures, according to the predominances of the planets: lovers of quiet, lovers of action, lovers of victory, lovers of honour, lovers of pleasure, lovers of arts, lovers of change, and so forth. A man shall find in the wisest sort of these relations which the Italians make touching conclaves, the natures of the several cardinals handsomely and lively painted forth. A man shall meet with in every day’s conference the denominations of sensitive, dry, formal, real, humorous, certain, huomo di prima impressione, huomo di ultima impressione, and the like; and yet, nevertheless, this kind of observations wandereth in words, but is not fixed in inquiry. For the distinctions are found (many of them), but we conclude no precepts upon them: wherein our fault is the greater, because both history, poesy, and daily experience are as goodly fields where these observations grow; whereof we make a few posies to hold in our hands, but no man bringeth them to the confectionary that receipts might be made of them for use of life.

(5) Of much like kind are those impressions of Nature, which are imposed upon the mind by the sex, by the age, by the region, by health and sickness, by beauty and de-formity, and the like, which are inherent and not extern; and again, those which are caused by extern fortune, as sovereignty, nobility, obscure birth, riches, want, magistracy, privateness, prosperity, adversity, constant fortune, variable fortune, rising per saltum, per gradus, and the like. And, therefore, we see that Plautus maketh it a wonder to see an old man beneficent, benignitas hujis ut adolescentuli est. Saint Paul concludeth that severity of discipline was to be used to the Cretans, increpa eos dure, upon the disposition of their country, Cretensus semper mendaces, malæ bestiæ, ventres. Sallust noteth that it is usual with kings to desire contradictories: Sed plerumque regiæ voluntates, ut vehementes sunt, sic mobiles, sæpeque ipsæ sibi advers. Tacitus observeth how rarely raising of the fortune mendeth the disposition: solus Vespasia-nus mutatus in melius. Pindarus maketh an observation, that great and sudden for-tune for the most part defeateth men qui magnam felicitatem concoquere non possunt. So the Psalm showeth it is more easy to keep a measure in the enjoying of fortune, than in the increase of fortune; Divitiæ si affluant, nolite cor apponere. These observations and the like I deny not but are touched a little by Aristotle as in passage in his Rhetorics, and are handled in some scattered discourses; but they were never incorporate into moral philosophy, to which they do essentially appertain; as the knowledge of this diversity of grounds and moulds doth to agriculture, and the knowledge of the diversity of complexions and constitutions doth to the physician, except we mean to follow the indiscretion of empirics, which minister the same me-dicines to all patients.

(6) Another article of this knowledge is the inquiry touching the affections; for as in medicining of the body, it is in order first to know the divers complexions and con-stitutions; secondly, the diseases; and lastly, the cures: so in medicining of the mind, after knowledge of the divers characters of men’s natures, it followeth in order to know the diseases and infirmities of the mind, which are no other than the perturbations and distempars of the affections. For as the ancient politiques in popular estates were wont to compare the people to the sea, and the orators to the winds; because as the sea would of itself be calm and quiet, if the winds did not move and trouble it; so the people would be peaceable and tractable if the seditious orators did not set them in working and agitation: so it may be fitly said, that the mind in the nature thereof would be temperate and stayed, if the affections, as winds, did not put it into tumult and perturbation. And here again I find strange, as before, that Aristotle should have written divers volumes of Ethics, and never handled the affections which is the principal subject thereof; and yet in his Rhetorics, where they are considered but collaterally and in a second degree (as they may be moved by speech), he findeth place for them, and handleth them well for the quantity; but where their true place is he pretermitteth them. For it is not his disputations about pleasure and pain that can satisfy this inquiry, no more than he that should generally handle the nature of light can be said to handle the nature of colours; for pleasure and pain are to the particular affections as light is to particular colours. Better travails, I suppose, had the Stoics taken in this argument, as far as I can gather by that which we have at second hand. But yet it is like it was after their manner, rather in subtlety of definitions (which in a subject of this nature are but curiosities), than in active and ample descriptions and observations. So likewise I find some particular writings of an elegant nature, touching some of the affections: as of anger, of comfort upon adverse accidents, of tenderness of countenance, and other. But the poets and writers of histories are the best doctors of this knowledge; where we may find painted forth, with great life, how affections are kindled and incited; and how pacified and refrained; and how again contained from act and further degree; how they disclose themselves; how they work; how they vary; how they gather and fortify: how they are enwrapped one within another; and how they do fight and encounter one with another; and other the like particularities. Amongst the which this last is of special use in moral and civil matters; how, I say, to set affection against affection, and to master one by another; even as we used to hunt beast with beast, and fly bird with bird, which otherwise percase we could not so easily recover: upon which foundation is erected that excellent use of præmium and pæna, whereby civil states consist: employing the predominant affections of fear and hope, for the suppressing and bridling the rest. For as in the government of states it is sometimes necessary to bridle one faction with another, so it is in the government within.

(7) Now come we to those points which are within our own command, and have force and operation upon the mind, to affect the will and appetite, and to alter manners: wherein they ought to have handled custom, exercise, habit, education, example, imitation, emulation, company, friends, praise, reproof, exhortation, fame, laws, books, studies: these as they have determinate use in moralities, from these the mind suffereth, and of these are such receipts and regiments compounded and described, as may serve to recover or preserve the health and good estate of the mind, as far as pertaineth to human medicine: of which number we will insist upon some one or two, as an example of the rest, because it were too long to prosecute all; and therefore we do resume custom and habit to speak of.

(8) The opinion of Aristotle seemeth to me a negligent opinion, that of those things which consist by Nature, nothing can be changed by custom; using for example, that if a stone be thrown ten thousand times up it will not learn to ascend; and that by often seeing or hearing we do not learn to see or hear the better. For though this principle be true in things wherein Nature is peremptory (the reason whereof we cannot now stand to discuss), yet it is otherwise in things wherein Nature admitteth a latitude. For he might see that a strait glove will come more easily on with use; and that a wand will by use bend otherwise than it grew; and that by use of the voice we speak louder and stronger; and that by use of enduring heat or cold we endure it the better, and the like: which latter sort have a nearer resemblance unto that subject of manners he handleth, than those instances which he allegeth. But allowing his conclusion, that virtues and vices consist in habit, he ought so much the more to have taught the manner of superinducing that habit: for there be many precepts of the wise ordering the exercises of the mind, as there is of ordering the exercises of the body, whereof we will recite a few.

(9) The first shall be, that we beware we take not at the first either too high a strain or too weak: for if too high, in a diffident nature you discourage, in a confident nature you breed an opinion of facility, and so a sloth; and in all natures you breed a further expectation than can hold out, and so an insatisfaction in the end: if too weak, of the other side, you may not look to perform and overcome any great task.

(10) Another precept is to practise all things chiefly at two several times, the one when the mind is best disposed, the other when it is worst disposed; that by the one you may gain a great step, by the other you may work out the knots and stonds of the mind, and make the middle times the more easy and pleasant.

(11) Another precept is that which Aristotle mentioneth by the way, which is to bear ever towards the contrary extreme of that whereunto we are by nature inclined; like unto the rowing against the stream, or making a wand straight by bending him con-trary to his natural crookedness.

(12) Another precept is that the mind is brought to anything better, and with more sweetness and happiness, if that whereunto you pretend be not first in the intention, but tanquam aliud agendo, because of the natural hatred of the mind against necessity and constraint. Many other axioms there are touching the managing of exercise and custom, which being so conducted doth prove indeed another nature; but, being governed by chance, doth commonly prove but an ape of Nature, and bringeth forth that which is lame and counterfeit.

(13) So if we should handle books and studies, and what influence and operation they have upon manners, are there not divers precepts of great caution and direction appertaining thereunto? Did not one of the fathers in great indignation call poesy vi-num dæmonum, because it increaseth temptations, perturbations, and vain opinions? Is not the opinion of Aristotle worthy to be regarded, wherein he saith, “That young men are no fit auditors of moral philosophy, because they are not settled from the boiling heat of their affections, nor attempered with time and experience”? And doth it not hereof come, that those excellent books and discourses of the ancient writers (whereby they have persuaded unto virtue most effectually, by representing her in state and majesty, and popular opinions against virtue in their parasites’ coats fit to be scorned and derided), are of so little effect towards honesty of life, because they are not read and revolved by men in their mature and settled years, but confined almost to boys and beginners? But is it not true also, that much less young men are fit auditors of matters of policy, till they have been thoroughly seasoned in religion and morality; lest their judgments be corrupted, and made apt to think that there are no true differences of things, but according to utility and fortune, as the verse describes it, Prosperum et felix scelus virtus vocatur; and again, Ille crucem pretium sceleris tulit, hic diadema: which the poets do speak satirically and in indignation on virtue’s behalf; but books of policy do speak it seriously and positively; for so it pleaseth Machiavel to say, “That if Cæsar had been overthrown, he would have been more odious than ever was Catiline;” as if there had been no difference, but in fortune, between a very fury of lust and blood, and the most excellent spirit (his ambition reserved) of the world? Again, is there not a caution likewise to be given of the doctrines of moralities themselves (some kinds of them), lest they make men too precise, arrogant, incompatible; as Cicero saith of Cato, In Marco Catone hæc bona quæ videmus divina et egregia, ipsius scitote esse propria; quæ nonunquam requirimus ea sunt omnia non a natura, sed a magistro? Many other axioms and advices there are touching those proprieties and effects, which studies do infuse and instil into manners. And so, likewise, is there touching the use of all those other points, of company, fame, laws, and the rest, which we recited in the beginning in the doctrine of morality.

(14) But there is a kind of culture of the mind that seemeth yet more accurate and elaborate than the rest, and is built upon this ground; that the minds of all men are at some times in a state more perfect, and at other times in a state more depraved. The purpose, therefore, of this practice is to fix and cherish the good hours of the mind, and to obliterate and take forth the evil. The fixing of the good hath been practised by two means, vows or constant resolutions, and observances or exercises; which are not to be regarded so much in themselves, as because they keep the mind in continual obedience. The obliteration of the evil hath been practised by two means, some kind of redemption or expiation of that which is past, and an inception or account de novo for the time to come. But this part seemeth sacred and religious, and justly; for all good moral philosophy (as was said) is but a handmaid to religion.

(15) Wherefore we will conclude with that last point, which is of all other means the most compendious and summary, and again, the most noble and effectual to the re-ducing of the mind unto virtue and good estate; which is, the electing and propound-ing unto a man’s self good and virtuous ends of his life, such as may be in a reasona-ble sort within his compass to attain. For if these two things be supposed, that a man set before him honest and good ends, and again, that he be resolute, constant, and true unto them; it will follow that he shall mould himself into all virtue at once. And this indeed is like the work of nature; whereas the other course is like the work of the hand. For as when a carver makes an image, he shapes only that part whereupon he worketh; as if he be upon the face, that part which shall be the body is but a rude stone still, till such times as he comes to it. But contrariwise when nature makes a flower or living creature, she formeth rudiments of all the parts at one time. So in obtaining virtue by habit, while a man practiseth temperance, he doth not profit much to fortitude, nor the like but when he dedicateth and applieth himself to good ends, look, what virtue soever the pursuit and passage towards those ends doth commend unto him, he is invested of a precedent disposition to conform himself thereunto. Which state of mind Aristotle doth excellently express himself, that it ought not to be called virtuous, but divine. His words are these: Immanitati autem consentaneum est opponere eam, quæ supra humanitatem est, heroicam sive divinam virtutem; and a little after, Nam ut feræ neque vitium neque virtus est, swic neque Dei: sed hic quidem status altius quiddam virtute est, ille aluid quiddam a vitio. And therefore we may see what celsitude of honour Plinius Secundus attributeth to Trajan in his funeral oration, where he said, “That men needed to make no other prayers to the gods, but that they would continue as good lords to them as Trajan had been;” as if he had not been only an imitation of divine nature, but a pattern of it. But these be heathen and profane passages, having but a shadow of that divine state of mind, which religion and the holy faith doth conduct men unto, by imprinting upon their souls charity, which is excellently called the bond of perfection, because it comprehendeth and fasteneth all virtues together. And as it is elegantly said by Menander of vain love, which is but a false imitation of divine love, Amor melior Sophista lœvo ad humanam vitam - that love teacheth a man to carry himself better than the sophist or preceptor; which he calleth left-handed, because, with all his rules and preceptions, he cannot form a man so dexterously, nor with that facility to prize himself and govern himself, as love can do: so certainly, if a man’s mind be truly inflamed with charity, it doth work him suddenly into greater perfection than all the doctrine of morality can do, which is but a sophist in comparison of the other. Nay, further, as Xenophon observed truly, that all other affections, though they raise the mind, yet they do it by distorting and uncomeliness of ecstasies or excesses; but only love doth exalt the mind, and nevertheless at the same instant doth settle and compose it: so in all other excellences, though they advance nature, yet they are subject to excess. Only charity admitteth no excess. For so we see, aspiring to be like God in power, the angels transgressed and fell; Ascendam, et ero similis altissimo: by aspiring to be like God in knowledge, man transgressed and fell; Eritis sicut Dii, scientes bonum et malum: but by aspiring to a similitude of God in goodness or love, neither man nor angel ever transgressed, or shall transgress. For unto that imitation we are called: Diligite inimicos vestros, benefacite eis qui oderunt vos, et orate pro persequentibus et calumniantibus vos, ut sitis filii Patris vestri qui in cœlis est, qui solem suum oriri facit super bonos et malos, et pluit super justos et injustos. So in the first platform of the divine nature itself, the heathen religion speaketh thus, Optimus Maximus: and the sacred Scriptures thus, Miscericordia ejus super omnia opera ejus.

(16) Wherefore I do conclude this part of moral knowledge, concerning the culture and regiment of the mind; wherein if any man, considering the arts thereof which I have enumerated, do judge that my labour is but to collect into an art or science that which hath been pretermitted by others, as matter of common sense and experience, he judgeth well. But as Philocrates sported with Demosthenes, “You may not marvel (Athenians) that Demosthenes and I do differ; for he drinketh water, and I drink wine;” and like as we read of an ancient parable of the two gates of sleep -

“Sunt geminæ somni portæ: quarum altera fertur

Cornea, qua veris facilis datur exitus umbris:

Altera candenti perfecta nitens elephanto,

Sed falsa ad cœlum mittunt insomnia manes:”

so if we put on sobriety and attention, we shall find it a sure maxim in knowledge, that the more pleasant liquor (“of wine”) is the more vaporous, and the braver gate (“of ivory”) sendeth forth the falser dreams.

(17) But we have now concluded that general part of human philosophy, which con-templateth man segregate, and as he consisteth of body and spirit. Wherein we may further note, that there seemeth to be a relation or conformity between the good of the mind and the good of the body. For as we divided the good of the body into health, beauty, strength, and pleasure, so the good of the mind, inquired in rational and moral knowledges, tendeth to this, to make the mind sound, and without perturbation; beautiful, and graced with decency; and strong and agile for all duties of life. These three, as in the body, so in the mind, seldom meet, and commonly sever. For it is easy to observe, that many have strength of wit and courage, but have neither health from perturbations, nor any beauty or decency in their doings; some again have an elegancy and fineness of carriage which have neither soundness of honesty nor substance of sufficiency; and some again have honest and reformed minds, that can neither become themselves nor manage business; and sometimes two of them meet, and rarely all three. As for pleasure, we have likewise determined that the mind ought not to be reduced to stupid, but to retain pleasure; confined rather in the subject of it, than in the strength and vigour of it.

XXIII. 

(1) Civil knowledge is conversant about a subject which of all others is most immersed in matter, and hardliest reduced to axiom. Nevertheless, as Cato the Censor said, “That the Romans were like sheep, for that a man were better drive a flock of them, than one of them; for in a flock, if you could get but some few go right, the rest would follow:” so in that respect moral philosophy is more difficile than policy. Again, moral philosophy propoundeth to itself the framing of internal goodness; but civil knowledge requireth only an external goodness; for that as to society sufficeth. And therefore it cometh oft to pass that there be evil times in good governments: for so we find in the Holy story, when the kings were good, yet it is added, Sed adhuc poulus non direxerat cor suum ad Dominum Deum patrum suorum. Again, states, as great engines, move slowly, and are not so soon put out of frame: for as in Egypt the seven good years sustained the seven bad, so governments for a time well grounded do bear out errors following; but the resolution of particular persons is more suddenly subverted. These respects do somewhat qualify the extreme difficulty of civil knowledge.

(2) This knowledge hath three parts, according to the three summary actions of society; which are conversation, negotiation, and government. For man seeketh in society comfort, use, and protection; and they be three wisdoms of divers natures which do often sever - wisdom of the behaviour, wisdom of business, and wisdom of state.

(3) The wisdom of conversation ought not to be over much affected, but much less despised; for it hath not only an honour in itself, but an influence also into business and government. The poet saith, Nec vultu destrue verba tuo: a man may destroy the force of his words with his countenance; so may he of his deeds, saith Cicero, re-commending to his brother affability and easy access; Nil interest habere ostium apertum, vultum clausum: it is nothing won to admit men with an open door, and to receive them with a shut and reserved countenance. So we see Atticus, before the first interview between Cæsar and Cicero, the war depending, did seriously advise Cicero touching the composing and ordering of his countenance and gesture. And if the government of the countenance be of such effect, much more is that of the speech, and other carriage appertaining to conversation; the true model whereof seemeth to me well expressed by Livy, though not meant for this purpose: Ne aut arrogans videar, aut obnoxius; quorum alterum est àlienæ libertatis obliti, alterum suæ: the sum of behaviour is to retain a man’s own dignity, without intruding upon the liberty of others. On the other side, if behaviour and outward carriage be intended too much, first it may pass into affectation, and then Quid deformius quam scenam in vitam transferre - to act a man’s life? But although it proceed not to that extreme, yet it consumeth time, and employeth the mind too much. And therefore as we use to advise young students from company keeping, by saying, Amici fures temporis: so certainly the intending of the discretion of behaviour is a great thief of meditation. Again, such as are accomplished in that form of urbanity please themselves in it, and seldom aspire to higher virtue; whereas those that have defect in it do seek comeliness by reputation; for where reputation is, almost everything becometh; but where that is not, it must be supplied by puntos and compliments. Again, there is no greater impediment of action than an over-curious observance of decency, and the guide of decency, which is time and season. For as Solomon saith, Qui respicit ad ventos, non seminat; et qui respicit ad nubes, non metet: a man must make his opportunity, as oft as find it. To conclude, behaviour seemeth to me as a garment of the mind, and to have the conditions of a garment. For it ought to be made in fashion; it ought not to be too curious; it ought to be shaped so as to set forth any good making of the mind and hide any deformity; and above all, it ought not to be too strait or restrained for exercise or motion. But this part of civil knowledge hath been elegantly handled, and therefore I cannot report it for deficient.

(4) The wisdom touching negotiation or business hath not been hitherto collected into writing, to the great derogation of learning and the professors of learning. For from this root springeth chiefly that note or opinion, which by us is expressed in adage to this effect, that there is no great concurrence between learning and wisdom. For of the three wisdoms which we have set down to pertain to civil life, for wisdom of behaviour, it is by learned men for the most part despised, as an inferior to virtue and an enemy to meditation; for wisdom of government, they acquit themselves well when they are called to it, but that happeneth to few; but for the wisdom of business, wherein man’s life is most conversant, there be no books of it, except some few scattered advertisements, that have no proportion to the magnitude of this subject. For if books were written of this as the other, I doubt not but learned men with mean experience would far excel men of long experience without learning, and outshoot them in their own bow.

(5) Neither needeth it at all to be doubted, that this knowledge should be so variable as it falleth not under precept; for it is much less infinite than science of government, which we see is laboured and in some part reduced. Of this wisdom it seemeth some of the ancient Romans in the saddest and wisest times were professors; for Cicero reporteth, that it was then in use for senators that had name and opinion for general wise men, as Coruncanius, Curius, Lælius, and many others, to walk at certain hours in the Place, and to give audience to those that would use their advice; and that the particular citizens would resort unto them, and consult with them of the marriage of a daughter, or of the employing of a son, or of a purchase or bargain, or of an accusation, and every other occasion incident to man’s life. So as there is a wisdom of counsel and advice even in private causes, arising out of a universal insight into the affairs of the world; which is used indeed upon particular causes propounded, but is gathered by general observation of causes of like nature. For so we see in the book which Q. Cicero writeth to his brother, De petitione consulatus (being the only book of business that I know written by the ancients), although it concerned a particular action then on foot, yet the substance thereof consisteth of many wise and politic axioms, which contain not a temporary, but a perpetual direction in the case of popular elections. But chiefly we may see in those aphorisms which have place amongst divine writings, composed by Solomon the king, of whom the Scriptures testify that his heart was as the sands of the sea, encompassing the world and all worldly matters, we see, I say, not a few profound and excellent cautions, precepts, positions, extending to much variety of occasions; whereupon we will stay a while, offering to consideration some number of examples.

(6) Sed et cunctis sermonibus qui dicuntur ne accommodes aurem tuam, ne forte au-dias servum tuum maledicentem tibi. Here is commended the provident stay of in-quiry of that which we would be loth to find: as it was judged great wisdom in Pom-peius Magnus that he burned Sertorius’ papers unperused.

Vir sapiens, si cum stulto contenderit, sive irascatur, sive rideat, non inveniet requiem. Here is described the great disadvantage which a wise man hath in undertaking a lighter person than himself; which is such an engagement as, whether a man turn the matter to jest, or turn it to heat, or howsoever he change copy, he can no ways quit himself well of it.

Qui delicate a pueritia nutrit servum suum, postea sentiet eum contumacem. Here is signified, that if a man begin too high a pitch in his favours, it doth commonly end in unkindness and unthankfulness.

Vidisti virum velocem in opere suo? coram regibus stabit, nec erit inter ignobiles. Here is observed, that of all virtues for rising to honour, quickness of despatch is the best; for superiors many times love not to have those they employ too deep or too sufficient, but ready and diligent.

Vidi cunctos viventes qui ambulant sub sole, cum adolescente secundo qui consurgit pro eo. Here is expressed that which was noted by Sylla first, and after him by Tiberius. Plures adorant solem orientem quam occidentem vel meridianum.

Si spiritus potestatem habentis ascenderit super te, locum tuum ne demiseris; quia cu-ratio faciet cessare peccata maxima. Here caution is given, that upon displeasure, retiring is of all courses the unfittest; for a man leaveth things at worst, and depriveth himself of means to make them better.

Erat civitas parva, et pauci in ea viri: venit contra eam rex magnus, et vallavit eam, in-struxitque munitones per gyrum, et perfecta est obsidio; inventusque est in ea vir pauper et sapiens, et liberavit eam per sapientiam suam; et nullus deinceps recordatus est huminis illius pauperis. Here the corruption of states is set forth, that esteem not virtue or merit longer than they have use of it.

Millis responsio frangit iram. Here is noted that silence or rough answer exasperateth; but an answer present and temperate pacifieth.

Iter pigrorum quasi sepes spinarum. Here is lively represented how laborious sloth proveth in the end; for when things are deferred till the last instant, and nothing pre-pared beforehand, every step findeth a briar or impediment, which catcheth or stop-peth.

Melior est finis orationis quam principium. Here is taxed the vanity of formal speakers, that study more about prefaces and inducements, than upon the conclusions and issues of speech.

Qui cognoscit in judicio faciem, non bene facit; iste et pro buccella panis deseret ve-ritatem. Here is noted, that a judge were better be a briber than a respecter of persons; for a corrupt judge offendeth not so lightly as a facile.

Vir pauper calumnians pauperes simils est imbri vehementi, in quo paratur fames. Here is expressed the extremity of necessitous extortions, figured in the ancient fable of the full and the hungry horseleech.

Fons turbatus pede, et vena corrupta, est justus cadens coram impio. Here is noted, that one judicial and exemplar iniquity in the face of the world doth trouble the fountains of justice more than many particular injuries passed over by connivance.

Qui subtrahit aliquid a patre et a matre, et dicit hoc non esse peccatum, particeps est homicidii. Here is noted that, whereas men in wronging their best friends use to ex-tenuate their fault, as if they might presume or be bold upon them, it doth contrari-wise indeed aggravate their fault, and turneth it from injury to impiety.

Noli esse amicus homini iracundo, nec ambulato cum homine furioso. Here caution is given, that in the election of our friends we do principally avoid those which are impatient, as those that will espouse us to many factions and quarrels.

Qui conturbat domum suam, possidebit ventum. Here is noted, that in domestical separations and breaches men do promise to themselves quieting of their mind and contentment; but still they are deceived of their expectation, and it turneth to wind.

Filius sapiens lætificat patrem: filius vero stultus mæstitia est matri suæ. Here is dis-tinguished, that fathers have most comfort of the good proof of their sons; but mothers have most discomfort of their ill proof, because women have little discerning of virtue, but of fortune.

Qui celat delictum, quærit amicitiam; sed qui altero sermone repetit, separat fæderatos. Here caution is given, that reconcilement is better managed by an amnesty, and passing over that which is past, than by apologies and excuses.

In omni opere bono erit abundantia; ubi autem verba sunt plurima, ibi frequenter egestas. Here is noted, that words and discourse aboundeth most where there is idle-ness and want.

Primus in sua causa justus: sed venit altera pars, et inquiret in eum. Here is observed, that in all causes the first tale possesseth much; in sort, that the prejudice thereby wrought will be hardly removed, except some abuse or falsity in the information be detected.

Verba bilinguis quasi simplicia, et ipsa perveniunt ad interiora ventris. Here is distin-guished, that flattery and insinuation, which seemeth set and artificial, sinketh not far; but that entereth deep which hath show of nature, liberty, and simplicity.

Qui erudit derisorem, ipse sibi injuriam facit; et qui arguit impium, sibi maculam ge-nerat. Here caution is given how we tender reprehension to arrogant and scornful natures, whose manner is to esteem it for contumely, and accordingly to return it.

Da sapienti occasionem, et addetur ei sapientia. Here is distinguished the wisdom brought into habit, and that which is but verbal and swimming only in conceit; for the one upon the occasion presented is quickened and redoubled, the other is amazed and confused.

Quomodo in aquis resplendent vultus prospicientium, sic corda hominum manifesta sunt prudentibus. Here the mind of a wise man is compared to a glass, wherein the images of all diversity of natures and customs are represented; from which represen-tation proceedeth that application,

“Qui sapit, innumeris moribus aptus erit.”

(7) Thus have I stayed somewhat longer upon these sentences politic of Solomon than is agreeable to the proportion of an example; led with a desire to give authority to this part of knowledge, which I noted as deficient, by so excellent a precedent; and have also attended them with brief observations, such as to my understanding offer no violence to the sense, though I know they may be applied to a more divine use: but it is allowed, even in divinity, that some interpretations, yea, and some writings, have more of the eagle than others; but taking them as instructions for life, they might have received large discourse, if I would have broken them and illustrated them by deducements and examples.

(8) Neither was this in use only with the Hebrews, but it is generally to be found in the wisdom of the more ancient times; that as men found out any observation that they thought was good for life, they would gather it and express it in parable or aphorism or fable. But for fables, they were vicegerents and supplies where examples failed: now that the times abound with history, the aim is better when the mark is alive. And therefore the form of writing which of all others is fittest for this variable argument of negotiation and occasions is that which Machiavel chose wisely and aptly for government; namely, discourse upon histories or examples. For knowledge drawn freshly and in our view out of particulars, knoweth the way best to particulars again. And it hath much greater life for practice when the discourse attendeth upon the example, than when the example attendeth upon the discourse. For this is no point of order, as it seemeth at first, but of substance. For when the example is the ground, being set down in a history at large, it is set down with all circumstances, which may sometimes control the discourse thereupon made, and sometimes supply it, as a very pattern for action; whereas the examples alleged for the discourse’s sake are cited succinctly, and without particularity, and carry a servile aspect towards the discourse which they are brought in to make good.

(9) But this difference is not amiss to be remembered, that as history of times is the best ground for discourse of government, such as Machiavel handleth, so histories of lives is the most popular for discourse of business, because it is more conversant in private actions. Nay, there is a ground of discourse for this purpose fitter than them both, which is discourse upon letters, such as are wise and weighty, as many are of Cicero ad Atticum, and others. For letters have a great and more particular repre-sentation of business than either chronicles or lives. Thus have we spoken both of the matter and form of this part of civil knowledge, touching negotiation, which we note to be deficient.

(10) But yet there is another part of this part, which differeth as much from that whereof we have spoken as sapere and sibi sapere, the one moving as it were to the circumference, the other to the centre. For there is a wisdom of counsel, and again there is a wisdom of pressing a man’s own fortune; and they do sometimes meet, and often sever. For many are wise in their own ways that are weak for government or counsel; like ants, which is a wise creature for itself, but very hurtful for the garden. This wisdom the Romans did take much knowledge of: Nam pol sapiens (saith the comical poet) fingit fortunam sibi; and it grew to an adage, Faber quisque fortunæ propriæ; and Livy attributed it to Cato the first, In hoc viro tanta vis animi et ingenii inerat, ut quocunque loco natus esset sibi ipse fortunam facturus videretur.

(11) This conceit or position, if it be too much declared and professed, hath been thought a thing impolitic and unlucky, as was observed in Timotheus the Athenian, who, having done many great services to the state in his government, and giving an account thereof to the people as the manner was, did conclude every particular with this clause, “And in this fortune had no part.” And it came so to pass, that he never prospered in anything he took in hand afterwards. For this is too high and too arro-gant, savouring of that which Ezekiel saith of Pharaoh, Dicis, Fluvius est neus et ego feci memet ipsum; or of that which another prophet speaketh, that men offer sacrifices to their nets and snares; and that which the poet expresseth,

“Dextra mihi Deus, et telum quod missile libro,

Nunc adsint!”

For these confidences were ever unhallowed, and unblessed; and, therefore, those that were great politiques indeed ever ascribed their successes to their felicity and not to their skill or virtue. For so Sylla surnamed himself Felix, not Magnus. So Cæsar said to the master of the ship, Cæsarem portas et fortunam ejus.

(12) But yet, nevertheless, these positions, Faber quisque fortunæ suæ: Sapiens domi-nabitur astris: Invia virtuti null est via, and the like, being taken and used as spurs to industry, and not as stirrups to insolency, rather for resolution than for the presump-tion or outward declaration, have been ever thought sound and good; and are no question imprinted in the greatest minds, who are so sensible of this opinion as they can scarce contain it within. As we see in Augustus Cæsar (who was rather diverse from his uncle than inferior in virtue), how when he died he desired his friends about him to give him a plaudite, as if he were conscious to himself that he had played his part well upon the stage. This part of knowledge we do report also as deficient; not but that it is practised too much, but it hath not been reduced to writing. And, therefore, lest it should seem to any that it is not comprehensible by axiom, it is requisite, as we did in the former, that we set down some heads or passages of it.

(13) Wherein it may appear at the first a new and unwonted argument to teach men how to raise and make their fortune; a doctrine wherein every man perchance will be ready to yield himself a disciple, till he see the difficulty: for fortune layeth as heavy impositions as virtue; and it is as hard and severe a thing to be a true politique, as to be truly moral. But the handling hereof concerneth learning greatly, both in honour and in substance. In honour, because pragmatical men may not go away with an opinion that learning is like a lark, that can mount and sing, and please herself, and nothing else; but may know that she holdeth as well of the hawk, that can soar aloft, and can also descend and strike upon the prey. In substance, because it is the perfect law of inquiry of truth, that nothing be in the globe of matter, which should not be likewise in the globe of crystal or form; that is, that there be not anything in being and action which should not be drawn and collected into contemplation and doctrine. Neither doth learning admire or esteem of this architecture of fortune otherwise than as of an inferior work, for no man’s fortune can be an end worthy of his being, and many times the worthiest men do abandon their fortune willingly for better respects: but nevertheless fortune as an organ of virtue and merit deserveth the consideration.

(14) First, therefore, the precept which I conceive to be most summary towards the prevailing in fortune, is to obtain that window which Momus did require; who seeing in the frame of man’s heart such angles and recesses, found fault there was not a window to look into them; that is, to procure good informations of particulars touching persons, their natures, their desires and ends, their customs and fashions, their helps and advantages, and whereby they chiefly stand, so again their weaknesses and disadvantages, and where they lie most open and obnoxious, their friends, fac-tions, dependences; and again their opposites, enviers, competitors, their moods and times, Sola viri molles aditus et tempora noras; their principles, rules, and observations, and the like: and this not only of persons but of actions; what are on foot from time to time, and how they are conducted, favoured, opposed, and how they import, and the like. For the knowledge of present actions is not only material in itself, but without it also the knowledge of persons is very erroneous: for men change with the actions; and whilst they are in pursuit they are one, and when they return to their nature they are another. These informations of particulars, touching persons and actions, are as the minor propositions in every active syllogism; for no excellency of observations (which are as the major propositions) can suffice to ground a conclusion, if there be error and mistaking in the minors.

(15) That this knowledge is possible, Solomon is our surety, who saith, Consilium in corde viri tanquam aqua profunda; sed vir prudens exhauriet illud. And although the knowledge itself falleth not under precept because it is of individuals, yet the instruc-tions for the obtaining of it may.

(16) We will begin, therefore, with this precept, according to the ancient opinion, that the sinews of wisdom are slowness of belief and distrust; that more trust be given to countenances and deeds than to words; and in words rather to sudden passages and surprised words than to set and purposed words. Neither let that be feared which is said, Fronti nulla fides, which is meant of a general outward behaviour, and not of the private and subtle motions and labours of the countenance and gesture; which, as Q. Cicero elegantly saith, is Animi janua, “the gate of the mind.” None more close than Tiberius, and yet Tacitus saith of Gallus, Etenim vultu offensionem conjectaverat. So again, noting the differing character and manner of his commending Germanicus and Drusus in the Senate, he saith, touching his fashion wherein he carried his speech of Germanicus, thus: Magis in speciem adornatis verbis, quam ut penitus sentire crederetur; but of Drusus thus: Paucioribus sed intentior, et fida oratione; and in another place, speaking of his character of speech when he did anything that was gracious and popular, he saith, “That in other things he was velut eluctantium verbo-rum;” but then again, solutius loquebatur quando subveniret. So that there is no such artificer of dissimulation, nor no such commanded countenance (vultus jussus), that can sever from a feigned tale some of these fashions, either a more slight and careless fashion, or more set and formal, or more tedious and wandering, or coming from a man more drily and hardly.

(17) Neither are deeds such assured pledges as that they may be trusted without a ju-dicious consideration of their magnitude and nature: Fraus sibi in parvis fidem præstruit ut majore emolumento fallat; and the Italian thinketh himself upon the point to be bought and sold, when he is better used than he was wont to be without manifest cause. For small favours, they do but lull men to sleep, both as to caution and as to industry; and are, as Demosthenes calleth them, Alimenta socordiæ. So again we see how false the nature of some deeds are, in that particular which Mutianus practised upon Antonius Primus, upon that hollow and unfaithful reconcilement which was made between them; whereupon Mutianus advanced many of the friends of Antonius, Simul amicis ejus præfecturas et tribunatus largitur: wherein, under pretence to strengthen him, he did desolate him, and won from him his dependents.

(18) As for words, though they be like waters to physicians, full of flattery and uncer-tainty, yet they are not to be despised specially with the advantage of passion and af-fection. For so we see Tiberius, upon a stinging and incensing speech of Agrippina, came a step forth of his dissimulation when he said, “You are hurt because you do not reign;” of which Tacitus saith, Audita hæc raram occulti pectoris vocem elicuere: correptamque Græco versu admonuit, ideo lædi quia non regnaret. And, therefore, the poet doth elegantly call passions tortures that urge men to confess their secrets:-

“Vino torus et ira.”

And experience showeth there are few men so true to themselves and so settled but that, sometimes upon heat, sometimes upon bravery, sometimes upon kindness, sometimes upon trouble of mind and weakness, they open themselves; specially if they be put to it with a counter-dissimulation, according to the proverb of Spain, Di mentira, y sacar as verdad: “Tell a lie and find a truth.”

(19) As for the knowing of men which is at second hand from reports: men’s weak-nesses and faults are best known from their enemies, their virtues and abilities from their friends, their customs and times from their servants, their conceits and opinions from their familiar friends, with whom they discourse most. General fame is light, and the opinions conceived by superiors or equals are deceitful; for to such men are more masked: Verior fama e domesticis emanat.

(20) But the soundest disclosing and expounding of men is by their natures and ends, wherein the weakest sort of men are best interpreted by their natures, and the wisest by their ends. For it was both pleasantly and wisely said (though I think very untruly) by a nuncio of the Pope, returning from a certain nation where he served as lidger; whose opinion being asked touching the appointment of one to go in his place, he wished that in any case they did not send one that was too wise; because no very wise man would ever imagine what they in that country were like to do. And certainly it is an error frequent for men to shoot over, and to suppose deeper ends and more compass reaches than are: the Italian proverb being elegant, and for the most part true:-

“Di danari, di senno, e di fede,

C’è ne manco che non credi.”

“There is commonly less money, less wisdom, and less good faith than men do account upon.”

(21) But princes, upon a far other reason, are best interpreted by their natures, and private persons by their ends. For princes being at the top of human desires, they have for the most part no particular ends whereto they aspire, by distance from which a man might take measure and scale of the rest of their actions and desires; which is one of the causes that maketh their hearts more inscrutable. Neither is it sufficient to inform ourselves in men’s ends and natures of the variety of them only, but also of the predominancy, what humour reigneth most, and what end is principally sought. For so we see, when Tigellinus saw himself outstripped by Petronius Turpilianus in Nero’s humours of pleasures, metus ejus rimatur, he wrought upon Nero’s fears, whereby he broke the other’s neck.

(22) But to all this part of inquiry the most compendious way resteth in three things; the first, to have general acquaintance and inwardness with those which have general acquaintance and look most into the world; and specially according to the diversity of business, and the diversity of persons, to have privacy and conversation with some one friend at least which is perfect and well-intelligenced in every several kind. The second is to keep a good mediocrity in liberty of speech and secrecy; in most things liberty; secrecy where it importeth; for liberty of speech inviteth and provoketh liberty to be used again, and so bringeth much to a man’s knowledge; and secrecy on the other side induceth trust and inwardness. The last is the reducing of a man’s self to this watchful and serene habit, as to make account and purpose, in every conference and action, as well to observe as to act. For as Epictetus would have a philosopher in every particular action to say to himself, Et hoc volo, et etiam institutum servare; so a politic man in everything should say to himself, Et hoc volo, ac etiam aliquid addiscere. I have stayed the longer upon this precept of obtaining good information because it is a main part by itself, which answereth to all the rest. But, above all things, caution must be taken that men have a good stay and hold of themselves, and that this much knowing do not draw on much meddling; for nothing is more unfortunate than light and rash intermeddling in many matters. So that this variety of knowledge tendeth in conclusion but only to this, to make a better and freer choice of those actions which may concern us, and to conduct them with the less error and the more dexterity.

(23) The second precept concerning this knowledge is, for men to take good infor-mation touching their own person, and well to understand themselves; knowing that, as St. James saith, though men look oft in a glass, yet they do suddenly forget them-selves; wherein as the divine glass is the Word of God, so the politic glass is the state of the world, or times wherein we live, in the which we are to behold ourselves.

(24) For men ought to take an impartial view of their own abilities and virtues; and again of their wants and impediments; accounting these with the most, and those other with the least; and from this view and examination to frame the considerations following.

(25) First, to consider how the constitution of their nature sorteth with the general state of the times; which if they find agreeable and fit, then in all things to give themselves more scope and liberty; but if differing and dissonant, then in the whole course of their life to be more close retired, and reserved; as we see in Tiberius, who was never seen at a play, and came not into the senate in twelve of his last years; whereas Augustus Cæsar lived ever in men’s eyes, which Tacitus observeth, alia Tiberio morum via.

(26) Secondly, to consider how their nature sorteth with professions and courses of life, and accordingly to make election, if they be free; and, if engaged, to make the departure at the first opportunity; as we see was done by Duke Valentine, that was designed by his father to a sacerdotal profession, but quitted it soon after in regard of his parts and inclination; being such, nevertheless, as a man cannot tell well whether they were worse for a prince or for a priest.

(27) Thirdly, to consider how they sort with those whom they are like to have com-petitors and concurrents; and to take that course wherein there is most solitude, and themselves like to be most eminent; as Cæsar Julius did, who at first was an orator or pleader; but when he saw the excellency of Cicero, Hortensius, Catulus, and others for eloquence, and saw there was no man of reputation for the wars but Pompeius, upon whom the state was forced to rely, he forsook his course begun towards a civil and popular greatness, and transferred his designs to a martial greatness.

(28) Fourthly, in the choice of their friends and dependents, to proceed according to the composition of their own nature; as we may see in Cæsar, all whose friends and followers were men active and effectual, but not solemn, or of reputation.

(29) Fifthly, to take special heed how they guide themselves by examples, in thinking they can do as they see others do; whereas perhaps their natures and carriages are far differing. In which error it seemeth Pompey was, of whom Cicero saith that he was wont often to say, Sylla potuit, ego non potero? Wherein he was much abused, the natures and proceedings of himself and his example being the unlikest in the world; the one being fierce, violent, and pressing the fact; the other solemn, and full of ma-jesty and circumstance, and therefore the less effectual.

But this precept touching the politic knowledge of ourselves hath many other branches, whereupon we cannot insist.

(30) Next to the well understanding and discerning of a man’s self, there followeth the well opening and revealing a man’s self; wherein we see nothing more usual than for the more able man to make the less show. For there is a great advantage in the well setting forth of a man’s virtues, fortunes, merits; and again, in the artificial covering of a man’s weaknesses, defects, disgraces; staying upon the one, sliding from the other; cherishing the one by circumstances, gracing the other by exposition, and the like. Wherein we see what Tacitus saith of Mutianus, who was the greatest politique of his time, Omnium quæ dixerat feceratque arte quadam ostentator, which requireth indeed some art, lest it turn tedious and arrogant; but yet so, as ostentation (though it be to the first degree of vanity) seemeth to me rather a vice in manners than in policy; for as it is said, Audacter calumniare, semper aliquid hæret; so, except it be in a ridiculous degree of deformity, Audacter te vendita, semper aluquid hæret. For it will stick with the more ignorant and inferior sort of men, though men of wisdom and rank do smile at it and despise it; and yet the authority won with many doth countervail the disdain of a few. But if it be carried with decency and government, as with a natural, pleasant, and ingenious fashion; or at times when it is mixed with some peril and unsafety (as in military persons); or at times when others are most envied; or with easy and careless passage to it and from it, without dwelling too long, or being too serious; or with an equal freedom of taxing a man’s self, as well as gracing himself; or by occasion of repelling or putting down others’ injury or insolency; it doth greatly add to reputation: and surely not a few solid natures, that want this ventosity and cannot sail in the height of the winds, are not without some prejudice and disadvantage by their moderation.

(31) But for these flourishes and enhancements of virtue, as they are not perchance unnecessary, so it is at least necessary that virtue be not disvalued and embased under the just price, which is done in three manners - by offering and obtruding a man’s self, wherein men think he is rewarded when he is accepted; by doing too much, which will not give that which is well done leave to settle, and in the end induceth satiety; and by finding too soon the fruit of a man’s virtue, in commendation, applause, honour, favour; wherein if a man be pleased with a little, let him hear what is truly said: Cave ne insuetus rebus majoribus videaris, si hæc te res parva sicuti magna delectat.

(32) But the covering of defects is of no less importance than the valuing of good parts; which may be done likewise in three manners - by caution, by colour, and by confidence. Caution is when men do ingeniously and discreetly avoid to be put into those things for which they are not proper; whereas contrariwise bold and unquiet spirits will thrust themselves into matters without difference, and so publish and proclaim all their wants. Colour is when men make a way for themselves to have a construction made of their faults or wants, as proceeding from a better cause or in-tended for some other purpose. For of the one it is well said,

“Sæpe latet vitium proximitate boni,”

and therefore whatsoever want a man hath, he must see that he pretend the virtue that shadoweth it; as if he be dull, he must affect gravity; if a coward, mildness; and so the rest. For the second, a man must frame some probable cause why he should not do his best, and why he should dissemble his abilities; and for that purpose must use to dissemble those abilities which are notorious in him, to give colour that his true wants are but industries and dissimulations. For confidence, it is the last but the surest remedy - namely, to depress and seem to despise whatsoever a man cannot attain; observing the good principle of the merchants, who endeavour to raise the price of their own commodities, and to beat down the price of others. But there is a confidence that passeth this other, which is to face out a man’s own defects, in seeming to conceive that he is best in those things wherein he is failing; and, to help that again, to seem on the other side that he hath least opinion of himself in those things wherein he is best: like as we shall see it commonly in poets, that if they show their verses, and you except to any, they will say, “That that line cost them more labour than any of the rest;” and presently will seem to disable and suspect rather some other line, which they know well enough to be the best in the number. But above all, in this righting and helping of a man’s self in his own carriage, he must take heed he show not himself dismantled and exposed to scorn and injury, by too much dulceness, goodness, and facility of nature; but show some sparkles of liberty, spirit, and edge. Which kind of fortified carriage, with a ready rescussing of a man’s self from scorns, is sometimes of necessity imposed upon men by somewhat in their person or fortune; but it ever succeedeth with good felicity.

(33) Another precept of this knowledge is by all possible endeavour to frame the mind to be pliant and obedient to occasion; for nothing hindereth men’s fortunes so much as this: Idem manebat, neque idem decebat - men are where they were, when occasions turn: and therefore to Cato, whom Livy maketh such an architect of fortune, he addeth that he had versatile ingenium. And thereof it cometh that these grave solemn wits, which must be like themselves and cannot make departures, have more dignity than felicity. But in some it is nature to be somewhat vicious and enwrapped, and not easy to turn. In some it is a conceit that is almost a nature, which is, that men can hardly make themselves believe that they ought to change their course, when they have found good by it in former experience. For Machiavel noted wisely how Fabius Maximus would have been temporising still, according to his old bias, when the nature of the war was altered and required hot pursuit. In some other it is want of point and penetration in their judgment, that they do not discern when things have a period, but come in too late after the occasion; as Demosthenes compareth the people of Athens to country fellows, when they play in a fence school, that if they have a blow, then they remove their weapon to that ward, and not before. In some other it is a lothness to lose labours passed, and a conceit that they can bring about occasions to their ply; and yet in the end, when they see no other remedy, then they come to it with disadvantage; as Tarquinius, that gave for the third part of Sibylla’s books the treble price, when he might at first have had all three for the simple. But from whatsoever root or cause this restiveness of mind proceedeth, it is a thing most prejudicial; and nothing is more politic than to make the wheels of our mind concentric and voluble with the wheels of fortune.

(34) Another precept of this knowledge, which hath some affinity with that we last spoke of, but with difference, is that which is well expressed, Fatis accede deisque, that men do not only turn with the occasions, but also run with the occasions, and not strain their credit or strength to over-hard or extreme points; but choose in their actions that which is most passable: for this will preserve men from foil, not occupy them too much about one matter, win opinion of moderation, please the most, and make a show of a perpetual felicity in all they undertake: which cannot but mightily increase reputation.

(35) Another part of this knowledge seemeth to have some repugnancy with the former two, but not as I understand it; and it is that which Demosthenes uttereth in high terms: Et quemadmodum receptum est, ut exercitum ducat imperator, sic et a cordatis viris res ipsæ ducendæ; ut quæipsis videntur, ea gerantur, et non ipsi eventus persequi cogantur. For if we observe we shall find two differing kinds of sufficiency in managing of business: some can make use of occasions aptly and dexterously, but plot little; some can urge and pursue their own plots well, but cannot accommodate nor take in; either of which is very imperfect without the other.

(36) Another part of this knowledge is the observing a good mediocrity in the dec-laring or not declaring a man’s self: for although depth of secrecy, and making way (qualis est via navis in mari, which the French calleth sourdes menées, when men set things in work without opening themselves at all), be sometimes both prosperous and admirable; yet many times dissimulatio errores parit, qui dissimulatorem ipsum illaqueant. And therefore we see the greatest politiques have in a natural and free manner professed their desires, rather than been reserved and disguised in them. For so we see that Lucius Sylla made a kind of profession, “that he wished all men happy or unhappy, as they stood his friends or enemies.” So Cæsar, when he went first into Gaul, made no scruple to profess “that he had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.” So again, as soon as he had begun the war, we see what Cicero saith of him, Alter (meaning of Cæsar) non recusat, sed quodammodo postulat, ut (ut est) sic appelletur tyrannus. So we may see in a letter of Cicero to Atticus, that Augustus Cæsar, in his very entrance into affairs, when he was a darling of the senate, yet in his harangues to the people would swear, Ita parentis honores consequi liceat (which was no less than the tyranny), save that, to help it, he would stretch forth his hand towards a statue of Cæsar’s that was erected in the place: and men laughed and wondered, and said, “Is it possible?” or, “Did you ever hear the like?” and yet thought he meant no hurt; he did it so handsomely and ingenuously. And all these were prosperous: whereas Pompey, who tended to the same ends, but in a more dark and dissembling manner as Tacitus saith of him, Occultior non melior, wherein Sallust concurreth, Ore probo, animo inverecundo, made it his design, by infinite secret engines, to cast the state into an absolute anarchy and confusion, that the state might cast itself into his arms for necessity and protection, and so the sovereign power be put upon him, and he never seen in it: and when he had brought it (as he thought) to that point when he was chosen consul alone, as never any was, yet he could make no great matter of it, because men understood him not; but was fain in the end to go the beaten track of getting arms into his hands, by colour of the doubt of Cæsar’s designs: so tedious, casual, and unfortunate are these deep dissimulations: whereof it seemeth Tacitus made this judgment, that they were a cunning of an inferior form in regard of true policy; attributing the one to Augustus, the other to Tiberius; where, speaking of Livia, he saith, Et cum artibus mariti simulatione filii bene compostia: for surely the continual habit of dissimulation is but a weak and sluggish cunning, and not greatly politic.

(37) Another precept of this architecture of fortune is to accustom our minds to judge of the proportion or value of things, as they conduce and are material to our particular ends; and that to do substantially and not superficially. For we shall find the logical part (as I may term it) of some men’s minds good, but the mathematical part erroneous; that is, they can well judge of consequences, but not of proportions and comparison, preferring things of show and sense before things of substance and effect. So some fall in love with access to princes, others with popular fame and applause, supposing they are things of great purchase, when in many cases they are but matters of envy, peril, and impediment. So some measure things according to the labour and difficulty or assiduity which are spent about them; and think, if they be ever moving, that they must needs advance and proceed; as Cæsar saith in a despising manner of Cato the second, when he describeth how laborious and indefatigable he was to no great purpose, Hæc omnia magno studio agebat. So in most things men are ready to abuse themselves in thinking the greatest means to be best, when it should be the fittest.

(38) As for the true marshalling of men’s pursuits towards their fortune, as they are more or less material, I hold them to stand thus. First the amendment of their own minds. For the removal of the impediments of the mind will sooner clear the passages of fortune than the obtaining fortune will remove the impediments of the mind. In the second place I set down wealth and means; which I know most men would have placed first, because of the general use which it beareth towards all variety of occasions. But that opinion I may condemn with like reason as Machiavel doth that other, that moneys were the sinews of the wars; whereas (saith he) the true sinews of the wars are the sinews of men’s arms, that is, a valiant, populous, and military nation: and he voucheth aptly the authority of Solon, who, when Crœsus showed him his treasury of gold, said to him, that if another came that had better iron, he would be master of his gold. In like manner it may be truly affirmed that it is not moneys that are the sinews of fortune, but it is the sinews and steel of men’s minds, wit, courage, audacity, resolution, temper, industry, and the like. In the third place I set down reputation, because of the peremptory tides and currents it hath; which, if they be not taken in their due time, are seldom recovered, it being extreme hard to play an after-game of reputation. And lastly I place honour, which is more easily won by any of the other three, much more by all, than any of them can be purchased by honour. To conclude this precept, as there is order and priority in matter, so is there in time, the preposterous placing whereof is one of the commonest errors: while men fly to their ends when they should intend their beginnings, and do not take things in order of time as they come on, but marshal them according to greatness and not according to instance; not observing the good precept, Quod nunc instat agamus.

(39) Another precept of this knowledge is not to embrace any matters which do occupy too great a quantity of time, but to have that sounding in a man’s ears, Sed fugit interea fugit irreparabile tempus: and that is the cause why those which take their course of rising by professions of burden, as lawyers, orators, painful divines, and the like, are not commonly so politic for their own fortune, otherwise than in their ordinary way, because they want time to learn particulars, to wait occasions, and to devise plots.

(40) Another precept of this knowledge is to imitate nature, which doth nothing in vain; which surely a man may do if he do well interlace his business, and bend not his mind too much upon that which he principally intendeth. For a man ought in every particular action so to carry the motions of his mind, and so to have one thing under another, as if he cannot have that he seeketh in the best degree, yet to have it in a second, or so in a third; and if he can have no part of that which he purposed, yet to turn the use of it to somewhat else; and if he cannot make anything of it for the present, yet to make it as a seed of somewhat in time to come; and if he can contrive no effect or substance from it, yet to win some good opinion by it, or the like. So that he should exact an account of himself of every action, to reap somewhat, and not to stand amazed and confused if he fail of that he chiefly meant: for nothing is more impolitic than to mind actions wholly one by one. For he that doth so loseth infinite occasions which intervene, and are many times more proper and propitious for somewhat that he shall need afterwards, than for that which he urgeth for the present; and therefore men must be perfect in that rule, Hæc oportet facere, et illa non imittere.

(41) Another precept of this knowledge is, not to engage a man’s self peremptorily in anything, though it seem not liable to accident; but ever to have a window to fly out at, or a way to retire: following the wisdom in the ancient fable of the two frogs, which consulted when their plash was dry whither they should go; and the one moved to go down into a pit, because it was not likely the water would dry there; but the other answered, “True, but if it do, how shall we get out again?”

(42) Another precept of this knowledge is that ancient precept of Bias, construed not to any point of perfidiousness, but to caution and moderation, Et ama tanquam inimicus futurus et odi tanquam amaturus. For it utterly betrayeth all utility for men to embark themselves too far into unfortunate friendships, troublesome spleens, and childish and humorous envies or emulations.

(43) But I continue this beyond the measure of an example; led, because I would not have such knowledges, which I note as deficient, to be thought things imaginative or in the air, or an observation or two much made of, but things of bulk and mass, whe-reof an end is more hardly made than a beginning. It must be likewise conceived, that in these points which I mention and set down, they are far from complete tractates of them, but only as small pieces for patterns. And lastly, no man I suppose will think that I mean fortunes are not obtained without all this ado; for I know they come tumbling into some men’s laps; and a number obtain good fortunes by diligence in a plain way, little intermeddling, and keeping themselves from gross errors.

(44) But as Cicero, when he setteth down an idea of a perfect orator, doth not mean that every pleader should be such; and so likewise, when a prince or a courtier hath been described by such as have handled those subjects, the mould hath used to be made according to the perfection of the art, and not according to common practice: so I understand it, that it ought to be done in the description of a politic man, I mean politic for his own fortune.

(45) But it must be remembered all this while, that the precepts which we have set down are of that kind which may be counted and called Bonæ Artes. As for evil arts, if a man would set down for himself that principle of Machiavel, “That a man seek not to attain virtue itself, but the appearance only thereof; because the credit of virtue is a help, but the use of it is cumber:” or that other of his principles, “That he presuppose that men are not fitly to be wrought otherwise but by fear; and therefore that he seek to have every man obnoxious, low, and in straits,” which the Italians call seminar spine, to sow thorns: or that other principle, contained in the verse which Cicero citeth, Cadant amici, dummodo inimici intercidant, as the triumvirs, which sold every one to other the lives of their friends for the deaths of their enemies: or that other protestation of L. Catilina, to set on fire and trouble states, to the end to fish in droumy waters, and to unwrap their fortunes, Ego si quid in fortunis meis excitatum sit incendium, id non aqua sed ruina restinguam: or that other principle of Lysander, “That children are to be deceived with comfits, and men with oaths:” and the like evil and corrupt positions, whereof (as in all things) there are more in number than of the good: certainly with these dispensations from the laws of charity and integrity, the pressing of a man’s fortune may be more hasty and compendious. But it is in life as it is in ways, the shortest way is commonly the foulest, and surely the fairer way is not much about.

(46) But men, if they be in their own power, and do bear and sustain themselves, and be not carried away with a whirlwind or tempest of ambition, ought in the pursuit of their own fortune to set before their eyes not only that general map of the world, “That all things are vanity and vexation of spirit,” but many other more particular cards and directions: chiefly that, that being without well-being is a curse, and the greater being the greater curse; and that all virtue is most rewarded and all wickedness most punished in itself: according as the poet saith excellently:

“Quæ vobis, quæ digna, viri pro laudibus istis

Præmia posse rear solvi? pulcherrima primum

Dii moresque dabunt vestri.”

And so of the contrary. And secondly they ought to look up to the Eternal Providence and Divine Judgment, which often subverteth the wisdom of evil plots and imaginations, according to that scripture, “He hath conceived mischief, and shall bring forth a vain thing.” And although men should refrain themselves from injury and evil arts, yet this incessant and Sabbathless pursuit of a man’s fortune leaveth not tribute which we owe to God of our time; who (we see) demandeth a tenth of our substance, and a seventh, which is more strict, of our time: and it is to small purpose to have an erected face towards heaven, and a perpetual grovelling spirit upon earth, eating dust as doth the serpent, Atque affigit humo divinæ particulam auræ. And if any man flatter himself that he will employ his fortune well, though he should obtain it ill, as was said concerning Augustus Cæsar, and after of Septimius Severus, “That either they should never have been born, or else they should never have died,” they did so much mischief in the pursuit and ascent of their greatness, and so much good when they were established; yet these compensations and satisfactions are good to be used, but never good to be purposed. And lastly, it is not amiss for men, in their race towards their fortune, to cool themselves a little with that conceit which is elegantly expressed by the Emperor Charles V., in his instructions to the king his son, “That fortune hath somewhat of the nature of a woman, that if she he too much wooed she is the farther off.” But this last is but a remedy for those whose tastes are corrupted: let men rather build upon that foundation which is as a corner-stone of divinity and philosophy, wherein they join close, namely that same Primum quærite. For divinity saith, Primum quærite regnum Dei, et ista omnia adjicientur vobis: and philosophy saith, Primum quærite bona animi; cætera aut aderunt, aut non oberunt. And although the human foundation hath somewhat of the sands, as we see in M. Brutus, when he broke forth into that speech,

“Te colui (Virtus) ut rem; ast tu nomen inane es;”

yet the divine foundation is upon the rock. But this may serve for a taste of that knowledge which I noted as deficient.

(47) Concerning government, it is a part of knowledge secret and retired in both these respects in which things are deemed secret; for some things are secret because they are hard to know, and some because they are not fit to utter. We see all governments are obscure and invisible:

“Totamque infusa per artus

Mens agitat molem, et magno se corpore miscet.”

Such is the description of governments. We see the government of God over the world is hidden, insomuch as it seemeth to participate of much irregularity and con-fusion. The government of the soul in moving the body is inward and profound, and the passages thereof hardly to be reduced to demonstration. Again, the wisdom of antiquity (the shadows whereof are in the poets) in the description of torments and pains, next unto the crime of rebellion, which was the giants’ offence, doth detest the offence of futility, as in Sisyphus and Tantalus. But this was meant of particulars: nevertheless even unto the general rules and discourses of policy and government there is due a reverent and reserved handling.

(48) But contrariwise in the governors towards the governed, all things ought as far as the frailty of man permitteth to be manifest and revealed. For so it is expressed in the Scriptures touching the government of God, that this globe, which seemeth to us a dark and shady body, is in the view of God as crystal: Et in conspectu sedis tanquam mare vitreum simile crystallo. So unto princes and states, and specially towards wise senates and councils, the natures and dispositions of the people, their conditions and necessities, their factions and combinations, their animosities and discontents, ought to be, in regard of the variety of their intelligences, the wisdom of their observations, and the height of their station where they keep sentinel, in great part clear and transparent. Wherefore, considering that I write to a king that is a master of this science, and is so well assisted, I think it decent to pass over this part in silence, as willing to obtain the certificate which one of the ancient philosophers aspired unto; who being silent, when others contended to make demonstration of their abilities by speech, desired it might be certified for his part, “That there was one that knew how to hold his peace.”

(49) Notwithstanding, for the more public part of government, which is laws, I think good to note only one deficiency; which is, that all those which have written of laws have written either as philosophers or as lawyers, and none as statesmen. As for the philosophers, they make imaginary laws for imaginary commonwealths, and their dis-courses are as the stars, which give little light because they are so high. For the lawyers, they write according to the states where they live what is received law, and not what ought to be law; for the wisdom of a law-maker is one, and of a lawyer is another. For there are in nature certain fountains of justice whence all civil laws are derived but as streams; and like as waters do take tinctures and tastes from the soils through which they run, so do civil laws vary according to the regions and governments where they are planted, though they proceed from the same fountains. Again, the wisdom of a law-maker consisteth not only in a platform of justice, but in the application thereof; taking into consideration by what means laws may be made certain, and what are the causes and remedies of the doubtfulness and uncertainty of law; by what means laws may be made apt and easy to be executed, and what are the impediments and remedies in the execution of laws; what influence laws touching private right of meum and tuum have into the public state, and how they may be made apt and agreeable; how laws are to be penned and delivered, whether in texts or in Acts, brief or large, with preambles or without; how they are to be pruned and reformed from time to time, and what is the best means to keep them from being too vast in volume, or too full of multiplicity and crossness; how they are to be expounded, when upon causes emergent and judicially discussed, and when upon responses and conferences touching general points or questions; how they are to be pressed, rigorously or tenderly; how they are to be mitigated by equity and good conscience, and whether discretion and strict law are to be mingled in the same courts, or kept apart in several courts; again, how the practice, profession, and erudition of law is to be censured and governed; and many other points touching the administration and (as I may term it) animation of laws. Upon which I insist the less, because I purpose (if God give me leave), having begun a work of this nature in aphorisms, to propound it hereafter, noting it in the meantime for deficient.

(50) And for your Majesty’s laws of England, I could say much of their dignity, and somewhat of their defect; but they cannot but excel the civil laws in fitness for the government, for the civil law was nonhos quæsitum munus in usus; it was not made for the countries which it governeth. Hereof I cease to speak because I will not in-termingle matter of action with matter of general learning.

XXIV. 

Thus have I concluded this portion of learning touching civil knowledge; and with civil knowledge have concluded human philosophy; and with human philosophy, phi-losophy in general. And being now at some pause, looking back into that I have passed through, this writing seemeth to me (si nunquam fallit imago), as far as a man can judge of his own work, not much better than that noise or sound which musicians make while they are in tuning their instruments, which is nothing pleasant to hear, but yet is a cause why the music is sweeter afterwards. So have I been content to tune the instruments of the Muses, that they may play that have better hands. And surely, when I set before me the condition of these times, in which learning hath made her third visitation or circuit in all the qualities thereof; as the excellency and vivacity of the wits of this age; the noble helps and lights which we have by the travails of ancient writers; the art of printing, which communicateth books to men of all fortunes; the openness of the world by navigation, which hath disclosed multitudes of experiments, and a mass of natural history; the leisure wherewith these times abound, not employing men so generally in civil business, as the states of Græcia did, in respect of their popularity, and the state of Rome, in respect of the greatness of their monarchy; the present disposition of these times at this instant to peace; the consumption of all that ever can be said in controversies of religion, which have so much diverted men from other sciences; the perfection of your Majesty’s learning, which as a phœnix may call whole volleys of wits to follow you; and the inseparable propriety of time, which is ever more and more to disclose truth; I cannot but be raised to this persuasion, that this third period of time will far surpass that of the Grecian and Roman learning; only if men will know their own strength and their own weakness both; and take, one from the other, light of invention, and not fire of contradiction; and esteem of the inquisition of truth as of an enterprise, and not as of a quality or ornament; and employ wit and magnificence to things of worth and excellency, and not to things vulgar and of popular estimation. As for my labours, if any man shall please himself or others in the reprehension of them, they shall make that ancient and patient request, Verbera, sed audi: let men reprehend them, so they observe and weigh them. For the appeal is lawful (though it may be it shall not be needful) from the first cogitations of men to their second, and from the nearer times to the times further off. Now let us come to that learning, which both the former times were not so blessed as to know, sacred and inspired divinity, the Sabbath and port of all men’s labours and peregrinations.

XXV. 

(1) The prerogative of God extendeth as well to the reason as to the will of man: so that as we are to obey His law, though we find a reluctation in our will, so we are to believe His word, though we find a reluctation in our reason. For if we believe only that which is agreeable to our sense we give consent to the matter, and not to the au-thor; which is no more than we would do towards a suspected and discredited witness; but that faith which was accounted to Abraham for righteousness was of such a point as whereat Sarah laughed, who therein was an image of natural reason.

(2) Howbeit (if we will truly consider of it) more worthy it is to believe than to know as we now know. For in knowledge man’s mind suffereth from sense: but in belief it suffereth from spirit, such one as it holdeth for more authorised than itself and so suffereth from the worthier agent. Otherwise it is of the state of man glorified; for then faith shall cease, and we shall know as we are known.

(3) Wherefore we conclude that sacred theology (which in our idiom we call divinity) is grounded only upon the word and oracle of God, and not upon the light of nature: for it is written, Cæli enarrant gloriam Dei; but it is not written, Cæli enarrant voluntatem Dei: but of that it is said, Ad legem et testimonium: si non fecerint se-cundum verbum istud, &amp;c. This holdeth not only in those points of faith which con-cern the great mysteries of the Deity, of the creation, of the redemption, but likewise those which concern the law moral, truly interpreted: “Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you; be like to your heavenly Father, that suffereth His rain to fall upon the just and unjust.” To this it ought to be applauded, Nec vox hominem sonat: it is a voice beyond the light of nature. So we see the heathen poets, when they fall upon a libertine passion, do still expostulate with laws and moralities, as if they were opposite and malignant to nature: Et quod natura remittit, invida jura negant. So said Dendamis the Indian unto Alexander’s messengers, that he had heard somewhat of Pythagoras, and some other of the wise men of Græcia, and that he held them for excellent men: but that they had a fault, which was that they had in too great reverence and veneration a thing they called law and manners. So it must be confessed that a great part of the law moral is of that perfection whereunto the light of nature cannot aspire: how then is it that man is said to have, by the light and law of nature, some notions and conceits of virtue and vice, justice and wrong, good and evil? Thus, because the light of nature is used in two several senses: the one, that which springeth from reason, sense, induction, argument, according to the laws of heaven and earth; the other, that which is imprinted upon the spirit of man by an inward instinct, according to the law of conscience, which is a sparkle of the purity of his first estate: in which latter sense only he is participant of some light and discerning touching the perfection of the moral law; but how? sufficient to check the vice but not to inform the duty. So then the doctrine of religion, as well moral as mystical, is not to be attained but by inspiration and revelation from God.

(4) The use notwithstanding of reason in spiritual things, and the latitude thereof, is very great and general: for it is not for nothing that the apostle calleth religion “our reasonable service of God;” insomuch as the very ceremonies and figures of the old law were full of reason and signification, much more than the ceremonies of idolatry and magic, that are full of non-significants and surd characters. But most specially the Christian faith, as in all things so in this, deserveth to be highly magnified; holding and preserving the golden mediocrity in this point between the law of the heathen and the law of Mahomet, which have embraced the two extremes. For the religion of the heathen had no constant belief or confession, but left all to the liberty of agent; and the religion of Mahomet on the other side interdicteth argument altogether: the one having the very face of error, and the other of imposture; whereas the Faith doth both admit and reject disputation with difference.

(5) The use of human reason in religion is of two sorts: the former, in the conception and apprehension of the mysteries of God to us revealed; the other, in the inferring and deriving of doctrine and direction thereupon. The former extendeth to the mysteries themselves; but how? by way of illustration, and not by way of argument. The latter consisteth indeed of probation and argument. In the former we see God vouchsafeth to descend to our capacity, in the expressing of His mysteries in sort as may be sensible unto us; and doth graft His revelations and holy doctrine upon the notions of our reason, and applieth His inspirations to open our understanding, as the form of the key to the ward of the lock. For the latter there is allowed us a use of reason and argument, secondary and respective, although not original and absolute. For after the articles and principles of religion are placed and exempted from examination of reason, it is then permitted unto us to make derivations and inferences from and according to the analogy of them, for our better direction. In nature this holdeth not; for both the principles are examinable by induction, though not by a medium or syllogism; and besides, those principles or first positions have no discordance with that reason which draweth down and deduceth the inferior positions. But yet it holdeth not in religion alone, but in many knowledges, both of greater and smaller nature, namely, wherein there are not only posita but placita; for in such there can be no use of absolute reason. We see it familiarly in games of wit, as chess, or the like. The draughts and first laws of the game are positive, but how? merely ad placitum, and not examinable by reason; but then how to direct our play thereupon with best advantage to win the game is artificial and rational. So in human laws there be many grounds and maxims which are placita juris, positive upon authority, and not upon reason, and therefore not to be disputed: but what is most just, not absolutely but relatively, and according to those maxims, that affordeth a long field of disputation. Such therefore is that secondary reason, which hath place in divinity, which is grounded upon the placets of God.

(6) Here therefore I note this deficiency, that there hath not been, to my understanding, sufficiently inquired and handled the true limits and use of reason in spiritual things, as a kind of divine dialectic: which for that it is not done, it seemeth to me a thing usual, by pretext of true conceiving that which is revealed, to search and mine into that which is not revealed; and by pretext of enucleating inferences and contradictories, to examine that which is positive. The one sort falling into the error of Nicodemus, demanding to have things made more sensible than it pleaseth God to reveal them, Quomodo possit homo nasci cum sit senex? The other sort into the error of the disciples, which were scandalised at a show of contradiction, Quid est hoc quod dicit nobis? Modicum et non videbitis me; et iterum, modicum, et videbitis me, &amp;c.

(7) Upon this I have insisted the more, in regard of the great and blessed use thereof; for this point well laboured and defined of would in my judgment be an opiate to stay and bridle not only the vanity of curious speculations, wherewith the schools labour, but the fury of controversies, wherewith the Church laboureth. For it cannot but open men’s eyes to see that many controversies do merely pertain to that which is either not revealed or positive; and that many others do grow upon weak and obscure inferences or derivations: which latter sort, if men would revive the blessed style of that great doctor of the Gentiles, would be carried thus, ego, non dominus; and again, secundum consilium meum, in opinions and counsels, and not in positions and oppositions. But men are now over-ready to usurp the style, non ego, sed dominus; and not so only, but to bind it with the thunder and denunciation of curses and anathemas, to the terror of those which have not sufficiently learned out of Solomon that “The causeless curse shall not come.”

(8) Divinity hath two principal parts: the matter informed or revealed, and the nature of the information or revelation; and with the latter we will begin, because it hath most coherence with that which we have now last handled. The nature of the information consisteth of three branches: the limits of the information, the sufficiency of the information, and the acquiring or obtaining the information. Unto the limits of the information belong these considerations: how far forth particular persons continue to be inspired; how far forth the Church is inspired; and how far forth reason may be used; the last point whereof I have noted as deficient. Unto the sufficiency of the information belong two considerations: what points of religion are fundamental, and what perfective, being matter of further building and perfection upon one and the same foundation; and again, how the gradations of light according to the dispensation of times are material to the sufficiency of belief.

(9) Here again I may rather give it in advice than note it as deficient, that the points fundamental, and the points of further perfection only, ought to be with piety and wisdom distinguished; a subject tending to much like end as that I noted before; for as that other were likely to abate the number of controversies, so this is likely to abate the heat of many of them. We see Moses when he saw the Israelite and the Egyptian fight, he did not say, “Why strive you?” but drew his sword and slew the Egyptian; but when he saw the two Israelites fight, he said, “You are brethren, why strive you?” If the point of doctrine be an Egyptian, it must be slain by the sword of the Spirit, and not reconciled; but if it be an Israelite, though in the wrong, then, “Why strive you?” We see of the fundamental points, our Saviour penneth the league thus, “He that is not with us is against us;” but of points not fundamental, thus, “He that is not against us is with us.” So we see the coat of our Saviour was entire without seam, and so is the doctrine of the Scriptures in itself; but the garment of the Church was of divers colours and yet not divided. We see the chaff may and ought to be severed from the corn in the ear, but the tares may not be pulled up from the corn in the field. So as it is a thing of great use well to define what, and of what latitude, those points are which do make men mere aliens and disincorporate from the Church of God.

(10) For the obtaining of the information, it resteth upon the true and sound inter-pretation of the Scriptures, which are the fountains of the water of life. The inter-pretations of the Scriptures are of two sorts: methodical, and solute or at large. For this divine water, which excelleth so much that of Jacob’s well, is drawn forth much in the same kind as natural water useth to be out of wells and fountains; either it is first forced up into a cistern, and from thence fetched and derived for use; or else it is drawn and received in buckets and vessels immediately where it springeth. The former sort whereof, though it seem to be the more ready, yet in my judgment is more subject to corrupt. This is that method which hath exhibited unto us the scholastical divinity; whereby divinity hath been reduced into an art, as into a cistern, and the streams of doctrine or positions fetched and derived from thence.

(11) In this men have sought three things, a summary brevity, a compacted strength, and a complete perfection; whereof the two first they fail to find, and the last they ought not to seek. For as to brevity, we see in all summary methods, while men pur-pose to abridge, they give cause to dilate. For the sum or abridgment by contraction becometh obscure; the obscurity requireth exposition, and the exposition is deduced into large commentaries, or into commonplaces and titles, which grow to be more vast than the original writings, whence the sum was at first extracted. So we see the volumes of the schoolmen are greater much than the first writings of the fathers, whence the master of the sentences made his sum or collection. So in like manner the volumes of the modern doctors of the civil law exceed those of the ancient jurisconsults, of which Tribonian compiled the digest. So as this course of sums and commentaries is that which doth infallibly make the body of sciences more immense in quantity, and more base in substance.

(12) And for strength, it is true that knowledges reduced into exact methods have a show of strength, in that each part seemeth to support and sustain the other; but this is more satisfactory than substantial, like unto buildings which stand by architecture and compaction, which are more subject to ruin than those that are built more strong in their several parts, though less compacted. But it is plain that the more you recede from your grounds, the weaker do you conclude; and as in nature, the more you re-move yourself from particulars, the greater peril of error you do incur; so much more in divinity, the more you recede from the Scriptures by inferences and consequences, the more weak and dilute are your positions.

(13) And as for perfection or completeness in divinity, it is not to be sought, which makes this course of artificial divinity the more suspect. For he that will reduce a knowledge into an art will make it round and uniform; but in divinity many things must be left abrupt, and concluded with this: O altitudo sapientiæ et scientiæ Dei! quam incomprehensibilia sunt juducua ejus, et non investigabiles viæ ejus. So again the apostle saith, Ex parte scimus: and to have the form of a total, where there is but matter for a part, cannot be without supplies by supposition and presumption. And therefore I conclude that the true use of these sums and methods hath place in insti-tutions or introductions preparatory unto knowledge; but in them, or by deducement from them, to handle the main body and substance of a knowledge is in all sciences prejudicial, and in divinity dangerous.

(14) As to the interpretation of the Scriptures solute and at large, there have been divers kinds introduced and devised; some of them rather curious and unsafe than sober and warranted. Notwithstanding, thus much must be confessed, that the Scriptures, being given by inspiration and not by human reason, do differ from all other books in the Author, which by consequence doth draw on some difference to be used by the expositor. For the Inditer of them did know four things which no man attains to know; which are - the mysteries of the kingdom of glory, the perfection of the laws of nature, the secrets of the heart of man, and the future succession of all ages. For as to the first it is said, “He that presseth into the light shall be oppressed of the glory.” And again, “No man shall see My face and live.” To the second, “When He prepared the heavens I was present, when by law and compass He enclosed the deep.” To the third, “Neither was it needful that any should bear witness to Him of man, for He knew well what was in man.” And to the last, “From the beginning are known to the Lord all His works.”

(15) From the former two of these have been drawn certain senses and expositions of Scriptures, which had need be contained within the bounds of sobriety - the one anagogical, and the other philosophical. But as to the former, man is not to prevent his time: Videmus nunc per speculum in ænigmate, tunc autem facie ad faciem; wherein nevertheless there seemeth to be a liberty granted, as far forth as the polishing of this glass, or some moderate explication of this enigma. But to press too far into it cannot but cause a dissolution and overthrow of the spirit of man. For in the body there are three degrees of that we receive into it - aliment, medicine, and poison; whereof aliment is that which the nature of man can perfectly alter and overcome; medicine is that which is partly converted by nature, and partly converteth nature; and poison is that which worketh wholly upon nature, without that nature can in any part work upon it. So in the mind, whatsoever knowledge reason cannot at all work upon and convert is a mere intoxication, and endangereth a dissolution of the mind and understanding.

(16) But for the latter, it hath been extremely set on foot of late time by the school of Paracelsus, and some others, that have pretended to find the truth of all natural philosophy in the Scriptures; scandalising and traducing all other philosophy as hea-thenish and profane. But there is no such enmity between God’s Word and His works; neither do they give honour to the Scriptures, as they suppose, but much embase them. For to seek heaven and earth in the Word of God, whereof it is said, “Heaven and earth shall pass, but My word shall not pass,” is to seek temporary things amongst eternal: and as to seek divinity in philosophy is to seek the living amongst the dead, so to seek philosophy in divinity is to seek the dead amongst the living: neither are the pots or lavers, whose place was in the outward part of the temple, to be sought in the holiest place of all where the ark of the testimony was seated. And again, the scope or purpose of the Spirit of God is not to express matters of nature in the Scriptures, otherwise than in passage, and for application to man’s capacity and to matters moral or divine. And it is a true rule, Auctoris aliud agentis parva auctoritas. For it were a strange conclusion, if a man should use a similitude for ornament or illustration sake, borrowed from nature or history according to vulgar conceit, as of a basilisk, a unicorn, a centaur, a Briareus, a hydra, or the like, that therefore he must needs be thought to affirm the matter thereof positively to be true. To conclude therefore these two interpretations, the one by reduction or enigmatical, the other philosophical or physical, which have been received and pursued in imitation of the rabbins and cabalists, are to be confined with a a noli akryn sapere, sed time.

(17) But the two latter points, known to God and unknown to man, touching the se-crets of the heart and the successions of time, doth make a just and sound difference between the manner of the exposition of the Scriptures and all other books. For it is an excellent observation which hath been made upon the answers of our Saviour Christ to many of the questions which were propounded to Him, how that they are impertinent to the state of the question demanded: the reason whereof is, because not being like man, which knows man’s thoughts by his words, but knowing man’s thoughts immediately, He never answered their words, but their thoughts. Much in the like manner it is with the Scriptures, which being written to the thoughts of men, and to the succession of all ages, with a foresight of all heresies, contradictions, differing estates of the Church, yea, and particularly of the elect, are not to be interpreted only according to the latitude of the proper sense of the place, and respectively towards that present occasion whereupon the words were uttered, or in precise congruity or contexture with the words before or after, or in contemplation of the principal scope of the place; but have in themselves, not only totally or collectively, but distributively in clauses and words, infinite springs and streams of doctrine to water the Church in every part. And therefore as the literal sense is, as it were, the main stream or river, so the moral sense chiefly, and sometimes the allegorical or typical, are they whereof the Church hath most use; not that I wish men to be bold in allegories, or indulgent or light in allusions: but that I do much condemn that interpretation of the Scripture which is only after the manner as men use to interpret a profane book.

(18) In this part touching the exposition of the Scriptures, I can report no deficiency; but by way of remembrance this I will add. In perusing books of divinity I find many books of controversies, and many of commonplaces and treatises, a mass of positive divinity, as it is made an art: a number of sermons and lectures, and many prolix commentaries upon the Scriptures, with harmonies and concordances. But that form of writing in divinity which in my judgment is of all others most rich and precious is positive divinity, collected upon particular texts of Scriptures in brief observations; not dilated into commonplaces, not chasing after controversies, not reduced into method of art; a thing abounding in sermons, which will vanish, but defective in books which will remain, and a thing wherein this age excelleth. For I am persuaded, and I may speak it with an absit invidia verbo, and nowise in derogation of antiquity, but as in a good emulation between the vine and the olive, that if the choice and best of those observations upon texts of Scriptures which have been made dispersedly in sermons within this your Majesty’s Island of Brittany by the space of these forty years and more (leaving out the largeness of exhortations and applications thereupon) had been set down in a continuance, it had been the best work in divinity which had been written since the Apostles’ times.

(19) The matter informed by divinity is of two kinds: matter of belief and truth of opinion, and matter of service and adoration; which is also judged and directed by the former - the one being as the internal soul of religion, and the other as the external body thereof. And, therefore, the heathen religion was not only a worship of idols, but the whole religion was an idol in itself; for it had no soul; that is, no certainty of belief or confession: as a man may well think, considering the chief doctors of their church were the poets; and the reason was because the heathen gods were no jealous gods, but were glad to be admitted into part, as they had reason. Neither did they respect the pureness of heart, so they might have external honour and rites.

(20) But out of these two do result and issue four main branches of divinity: faith, manners, liturgy, and government. Faith containeth the doctrine of the nature of God, of the attributes of God, and of the works of God. The nature of God consisteth of three persons in unity of Godhead. The attributes of God are either common to the Deity, or respective to the persons. The works of God summary are two, that of the creation and that of the redemption; and both these works, as in total they appertain to the unity of the Godhead, so in their parts they refer to the three persons: that of the creation, in the mass of the matter, to the Father; in the disposition of the form, to the Son; and in the continuance and conservation of the being, to the Holy Spirit. So that of the redemption, in the election and counsel, to the Father; in the whole act and consummation, to the Son; and in the application, to the Holy Spirit; for by the Holy Ghost was Christ conceived in flesh, and by the Holy Ghost are the elect regenerate in spirit. This work likewise we consider either effectually, in the elect; or privately, in the reprobate; or according to appearance, in the visible Church.

(21) For manners, the doctrine thereof is contained in the law, which discloseth sin. The law itself is divided, according to the edition thereof, into the law of nature, the law moral, and the law positive; and according to the style, into negative and affirma-tive, prohibitions and commandments. Sin, in the matter and subject thereof, is di-vided according to the commandments; in the form thereof it referreth to the three persons in Deity: sins of infirmity against the Father, whose more special attribute is power; sins of ignorance against the Son, whose attribute is wisdom; and sins of ma-lice against the Holy Ghost, whose attribute is grace or love. In the motions of it, it either moveth to the right hand or to the left; either to blind devotion or to profane and libertine transgression; either in imposing restraint where God granteth liberty, or in taking liberty where God imposeth restraint. In the degrees and progress of it, it divideth itself into thought, word, or act. And in this part I commend much the deducing of the law of God to cases of conscience; for that I take indeed to be a breaking, and not exhibiting whole of the bread of life. But that which quickeneth both these doctrines of faith and manners is the elevation and consent of the heart; whereunto appertain books of exhortation, holy meditation, Christian resolution, and the like.

(22) For the liturgy or service, it consisteth of the reciprocal acts between God and man; which, on the part of God, are the preaching of the word, and the sacraments, which are seals to the covenant, or as the visible word; and on the part of man, invocation of the name of God; and under the law, sacrifices; which were as visible prayers or confessions: but now the adoration being in spiritu et veritate, there remaineth only vituli labiorum; although the use of holy vows of thankfulness and retribution may be accounted also as sealed petitions.

(23) And for the government of the Church, it consisteth of the patrimony of the Church, the franchises of the Church, and the offices and jurisdictions of the Church, and the laws of the Church directing the whole; all which have two considerations, the one in themselves, the other how they stand compatible and agreeable to the civil estate.

(24) This matter of divinity is handled either in form of instruction of truth, or in form of confutation of falsehood. The declinations from religion, besides the priva-tive, which is atheism and the branches thereof, are three - heresies, idolatry, and witchcraft: heresies, when we serve the true God with a false worship; idolatry, when we worship false gods, supposing them to be true; and witchcraft, when we adore false gods, knowing them to be wicked and false. For so your Majesty doth excellently well observe, that witchcraft is the height of idolatry. And yet we see though these be true degrees, Samuel teacheth us that they are all of a nature, when there is once a receding from the Word of God; for so he saith, Quasi peccatum ariolandi est repugnare, et quasi scelus idololatriæ nolle acquiescere.

(25) These things I have passed over so briefly because I can report no deficiency concerning them: for I can find no space or ground that lieth vacant and unsown in the matter of divinity, so diligent have men been either in sowing of good seed, or in sowing of tares.

Thus have I made as it were a small globe of the intellectual world, as truly and faith-fully as I could discover; with a note and description of those parts which seem to me not constantly occupate, or not well converted by the labour of man. In which, if I have in any point receded from that which is commonly received, it hath been with a purpose of proceeding in melius, and not in aliud; a mind of amendment and pro-ficiency, and not of change and difference. For I could not be true and constant to the argument I handle if I were not willing to go beyond others; but yet not more willing than to have others go beyond me again: which may the better appear by this, that I have propounded my opinions naked and unarmed, not seeking to preoccupate the liberty of men’s judgments by confutations. For in anything which is well set down, I am in good hope that if the first reading move an objection, the second reading will make an answer. And in those things wherein I have erred, I am sure I have not prejudiced the right by litigious arguments; which certainly have this contrary effect and operation, that they add authority to error, and destroy the authority of that which is well invented. For question is an honour and preferment to falsehood, as on the other side it is a repulse to truth. But the errors I claim and challenge to myself as mine own. The good, it any be, is due tanquam adeps sacrificii, to be incensed to the honour, first of the Divine Majesty, and next of your Majesty, to whom on earth I am most bounden.</text>
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===THE FIRST BOOK===
TO THE KING.

There were under the law, excellent King, both daily sacrifices and freewill offerings; the one proceeding upon ordinary observance, the other upon a devout cheerfulness: in like manner there belongeth to kings from their servants both tribute of duty and presents of affection. In the former of these I hope I shall not live to be wanting, according to my most humble duty and the good pleasure of your Majesty’s em-ployments: for the latter, I thought it more respective to make choice of some oblation which might rather refer to the propriety and excellency of your individual person, than to the business of your crown and state.

Wherefore, representing your Majesty many times unto my mind, and beholding you not with the inquisitive eye of presumption, to discover that which the Scripture telleth me is inscrutable, but with the observant eye of duty and admiration, leaving aside the other parts of your virtue and fortune, I have been touched - yea, and possessed - with an extreme wonder at those your virtues and faculties, which the philosophers call intellectual; the largeness of your capacity, the faithfulness of your memory, the swiftness of your apprehension, the penetration of your judgment, and the facility and order of your elocution: and I have often thought that of all the persons living that I have known, your Majesty were the best instance to make a man of Plato’s opinion, that all knowledge is but remembrance, and that the mind of man by Nature knoweth all things, and hath but her own native and original notions (which by the strangeness and darkness of this tabernacle of the body are sequestered) again revived and restored: such a light of Nature I have observed in your Majesty, and such a readiness to take flame and blaze from the least occasion presented, or the least spark of another’s knowledge delivered. And as the Scripture saith of the wisest king, “That his heart was as the sands of the sea;” which, though it be one of the largest bodies, yet it consisteth of the smallest and finest portions; so hath God given your Majesty a composition of understanding admirable, being able to compass and comprehend the greatest matters, and nevertheless to touch and apprehend the least; whereas it should seem an impossibility in Nature for the same instrument to make itself fit for great and small works. And for your gift of speech, I call to mind what Cornelius Tacitus saith of Augustus Cæsar: Augusto profluens, et quæ principem deceret, eloquentia fuit. For if we note it well, speech that is uttered with labour and difficulty, or speech that savoureth of the affectation of art and precepts, or speech that is framed after the imitation of some pattern of eloquence, though never so excellent; all this hath somewhat servile, and holding of the subject. But your Majesty’s manner of speech is, indeed, prince-like, flowing as from a fountain, and yet streaming and branching itself into Nature’s order, full of facility and felicity, imitating none, and inimitable by any. And as in your civil estate there appeareth to be an emulation and contention of your Majesty’s virtue with your fortune; a virtuous disposition with a fortunate regiment; a virtuous expectation (when time was) of your greater fortune, with a prosperous possession thereof in the due time; a virtuous observation of the laws of marriage, with most blessed and happy fruit of marriage; a virtuous and most Christian desire of peace, with a fortunate inclination in your neighbour princes thereunto: so likewise in these intellectual matters there seemeth to be no less contention between the excellency of your Majesty’s gifts of Nature and the universality and perfection of your learning. For I am well assured that this which I shall say is no amplification at all, but a positive and measured truth; which is, that there hath not been since Christ’s time any king or temporal monarch which hath been so learned in all literature and erudition, divine and human. For let a man seriously and diligently revolve and peruse the succession of the Emperors of Rome, of which Cæsar the Dictator (who lived some years before Christ) and Marcus Antoninus were the best learned, and so descend to the Emperors of Græcia, or of the West, and then to the lines of France, Spain, England, Scotland, and the rest, and he shall find this judgment is truly made. For it seemeth much in a king if, by the compendious extractions of other men’s wits and labours, he can take hold of any superficial ornaments and shows of learning, or if he countenance and prefer learning and learned men; but to drink, indeed, of the true fountains of learning - nay, to have such a fountain of learning in himself, in a king, and in a king born - is almost a miracle. And the more, because there is met in your Majesty a rare conjunction, as well of divine and sacred literature as of profane and human; so as your Majesty standeth invested of that triplicity, which in great veneration was ascribed to the ancient Hermes: the power and fortune of a king, the knowledge and illumination of a priest, and the learning and universality of a philosopher. This propriety inherent and individual attribute in your Majesty deserveth to be expressed not only in the fame and admiration of the present time, nor in the history or tradition of the ages succeeding, but also in some solid work, fixed memorial, and immortal monument, bearing a character or signature both of the power of a king and the difference and perfection of such a king.

Therefore I did conclude with myself that I could not make unto your Majesty a better oblation than of some treatise tending to that end, whereof the sum will consist of these two parts: the former concerning the excellency of learning and knowledge, and the excellency of the merit and true glory in the augmentation and propagation thereof; the latter, what the particular acts and works are which have been embraced and undertaken for the advancement of learning; and again, what defects and undervalues I find in such particular acts: to the end that though I cannot positively or affirmatively advise your Majesty, or propound unto you framed particulars, yet I may excite your princely cogitations to visit the excellent treasure of your own mind, and thence to extract particulars for this purpose agreeable to your magnanimity and wisdom.

I.

(1) In the entrance to the former of these - to clear the way and, as it were, to make silence, to have the true testimonies concerning the dignity of learning to be better heard, without the interruption of tacit objections - I think good to deliver it from the discredits and disgraces which it hath received, all from ignorance, but ignorance severally disguised; appearing sometimes in the zeal and jealousy of divines, some-times in the severity and arrogancy of politics, and sometimes in the errors and im-perfections of learned men themselves.

(2) I hear the former sort say that knowledge is of those things which are to be accepted of with great limitation and caution; that the aspiring to overmuch knowledge was the original temptation and sin whereupon ensued the fall of man; that knowledge hath in it somewhat of the serpent, and, therefore, where it entereth into a man it makes him swell; Scientia inflat; that Solomon gives a censure, “That there is no end of making books, and that much reading is weariness of the flesh;” and again in another place, “That in spacious knowledge there is much contristation, and that he that increaseth knowledge increaseth anxiety;” that Saint Paul gives a caveat, “That we be not spoiled through vain philosophy;” that experience demonstrates how learned men have been arch-heretics, how learned times have been inclined to atheism, and how the contemplation of second causes doth derogate from our dependence upon God, who is the first cause.

(3) To discover, then, the ignorance and error of this opinion, and the misunders-tanding in the grounds thereof, it may well appear these men do not observe or con-sider that it was not the pure knowledge of Nature and universality, a knowledge by the light whereof man did give names unto other creatures in Paradise as they were brought before him according unto their proprieties, which gave the occasion to the fall; but it was the proud knowledge of good and evil, with an intent in man to give law unto himself, and to depend no more upon God’s commandments, which was the form of the temptation. Neither is it any quantity of knowledge, how great soever, that can make the mind of man to swell; for nothing can fill, much less extend the soul of man, but God and the contemplation of God; and, therefore, Solomon, speaking of the two principal senses of inquisition, the eye and the ear, affirmeth that the eye is never satisfied with seeing, nor the ear with hearing; and if there be no fulness, then is the continent greater than the content: so of knowledge itself and the mind of man, whereto the senses are but reporters, he defineth likewise in these words, placed after that calendar or ephemerides which he maketh of the diversities of times and seasons for all actions and purposes, and concludeth thus: “God hath made all things beautiful, or decent, in the true return of their seasons. Also He hath placed the world in man’s heart, yet cannot man find out the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end” - declaring not obscurely that God hath framed the mind of man as a mirror or glass, capable of the image of the universal world, and joyful to receive the impression thereof, as the eye joyeth to receive light; and not only delighted in beholding the variety of things and vicissitude of times, but raised also to find out and discern the ordinances and decrees which throughout all those changes are infallibly observed. And although he doth insinuate that the supreme or summary law of Nature (which he calleth “the work which God worketh from the beginning to the end”) is not possible to be found out by man, yet that doth not derogate from the capacity of the mind; but may be referred to the impediments, as of shortness of life, ill conjunction of labours, ill tradition of knowledge over from hand to hand, and many other inconveniences, whereunto the condition of man is subject. For that nothing parcel of the world is denied to man’s inquiry and invention, he doth in another place rule over, when he saith, “The spirit of man is as the lamp of God, wherewith He searcheth the inwardness of all secrets.” If, then, such be the capacity and receipt of the mind of man, it is manifest that there is no danger at all in the proportion or quantity of knowledge, how large soever, lest it should make it swell or out-compass itself; no, but it is merely the quality of knowledge, which, be it in quantity more or less, if it be taken without the true corrective thereof, hath in it some nature of venom or malignity, and some effects of that venom, which is ventosity or swelling. This corrective spice, the mixture whereof maketh knowledge so sovereign, is charity, which the Apostle immediately addeth to the former clause; for so he saith, “Knowledge bloweth up, but charity buildeth up;” not unlike unto that which he deilvereth in another place: “If I spake,” saith he, “with the tongues of men and angels, and had not charity, it were but as a tinkling cymbal.” Not but that it is an excellent thing to speak with the tongues of men and angels, but because, if it be severed from charity, and not referred to the good of men and mankind, it hath rather a sounding and unworthy glory than a meriting and substantial virtue. And as for that censure of Solomon concerning the excess of writing and reading books, and the anxiety of spirit which redoundeth from knowledge, and that admonition of St. Paul, “That we be not seduced by vain philosophy,” let those places be rightly understood; and they do, indeed, excellently set forth the true bounds and limitations whereby human knowledge is confined and circumscribed, and yet without any such contracting or coarctation, but that it may comprehend all the universal nature of things; for these limitations are three: the first, “That we do not so place our felicity in knowledge, as we forget our mortality;” the second, “That we make application of our knowledge, to give ourselves repose and contentment, and not distaste or repining;” the third, “That we do not presume by the contemplation of Nature to attain to the mysteries of God.” For as touching the first of these, Solomon doth excellently expound himself in another place of the same book, where he saith: “I saw well that knowledge recedeth as far from ignorance as light doth from darkness; and that the wise man’s eyes keep watch in his head, whereas this fool roundeth about in darkness: but withal I learned that the same mortality involveth them both.” And for the second, certain it is there is no vexation or anxiety of mind which resulteth from knowledge otherwise than merely by accident; for all knowledge and wonder (which is the seed of knowledge) is an impression of pleasure in itself; but when men fall to framing conclusions out of their knowledge, applying it to their particular, and ministering to themselves thereby weak fears or vast desires, there groweth that carefulness and trouble of mind which is spoken of; for then knowledge is no more Lumen siccum, whereof Heraclitus the profound said, Lumen siccum optima anima; but it becometh Lumen madidum, or maceratum, being steeped and infused in the humours of the affections. And as for the third point, it deserveth to be a little stood upon, and not to be lightly passed over; for if any man shall think by view and inquiry into these sensible and material things to attain that light, whereby he may reveal unto himself the nature or will of God, then, indeed, is he spoiled by vain philosophy; for the contemplation of God’s creatures and works produceth (having regard to the works and creatures themselves) knowledge, but having regard to God no perfect knowledge, but wonder, which is broken knowledge. And, therefore, it was most aptly said by one of Plato’s school, “That the sense of man carrieth a resemblance with the sun, which (as we see) openeth and revealeth all the terrestrial globe; but then, again, it obscureth and concealeth the stars and celestial globe: so doth the sense discover natural things, but it darkeneth and shutteth up divine.” And hence it is true that it hath proceeded, that divers great learned men have been heretical, whilst they have sought to fly up to the secrets of the Deity by this waxen wings of the senses. And as for the conceit that too much knowledge should incline a man to atheism, and that the ignorance of second causes should make a more devout dependence upon God, which is the first cause; first, it is good to ask the question which Job asked of his friends: “Will you lie for God, as one man will lie for another, to gratify him?” For certain it is that God worketh nothing in Nature but by second causes; and if they would have it otherwise believed, it is mere imposture, as it were in favour towards God, and nothing else but to offer to the Author of truth the unclean sacrifice of a lie. But further, it is an assured truth, and a conclusion of experience, that a little or superficial knowledge of philosophy may incline the mind of men to atheism, but a further proceeding therein doth bring the mind back again to religion. For in the entrance of philosophy, when the second causes, which are next unto the senses, do offer themselves to the mind of man, if it dwell and stay there it may induce some oblivion of the highest cause; but when a man passeth on further and seeth the dependence of causes and the works of Providence; then, according to the allegory of the poets, he will easily believe that the highest link of Nature’s chain must needs he tied to the foot of Jupiter’s chair. To conclude, therefore, let no man upon a weak conceit of sobriety or an ill-applied moderation think or maintain that a man can search too far, or be too well studied in the book of God’s word, or in the book of God’s works, divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficience in both; only let men beware that they apply both to charity, and not to swelling; to use, and not to ostentation; and again, that they do not unwisely mingle or confound these learnings together.

II. 

(1) And as for the disgraces which learning receiveth from politics, they be of this nature: that learning doth soften men’s minds, and makes them more unapt for the honour and exercise of arms; that it doth mar and pervert men’s dispositions for matter of government and policy, in making them too curious and irresolute by variety of reading, or too peremptory or positive by strictness of rules and axioms, or too immoderate and overweening by reason of the greatness of examples, or too in-compatible and differing from the times by reason of the dissimilitude of examples; or at least, that it doth divert men’s travails from action and business, and bringeth them to a love of leisure and privateness; and that it doth bring into states a relaxation of discipline, whilst every man is more ready to argue than to obey and execute. Out of this conceit Cato, surnamed the Censor, one of the wisest men indeed that ever lived, when Carneades the philosopher came in embassage to Rome, and that the young men of Rome began to flock about him, being allured with the sweetness and majesty of his eloquence and learning, gave counsel in open senate that they should give him his despatch with all speed, lest he should infect and enchant the minds and affections of the youth, and at unawares bring in an alteration of the manners and customs of the state. Out of the same conceit or humour did Virgil, turning his pen to the advantage of his country and the disadvantage of his own profession, make a kind of separation between policy and government, and between arts and sciences, in the verses so much renowned, attributing and challenging the one to the Romans, and leaving and yielding the other to the Grecians: Tu regere imperio popules, Romane, memento, Hæ tibi erunt artes, &amp;c. So likewise we see that Anytus, the accuser of Socrates, laid it as an article of charge and accusation against him, that he did, with the variety and power of his discourses and disputatious, withdraw young men from due reverence to the laws and customs of their country, and that he did profess a dangerous and pernicious science, which was to make the worse matter seem the better, and to suppress truth by force of eloquence and speech.

(2) But these and the like imputations have rather a countenance of gravity than any ground of justice: for experience doth warrant that, both in persons and in times, there hath been a meeting and concurrence in learning and arms, flourishing and excelling in the same men and the same ages. For as ‘for men, there cannot be a better nor the hike instance as of that pair, Alexander the Great and Julius Cæsar, the Dictator; whereof the one was Aristotle’s scholar in philosophy, and the other was Cicero’s rival in eloquence; or if any man had rather call for scholars that were great generals, than generals that were great scholars, let him take Epaminondas the Theban, or Xenophon the Athenian; whereof the one was the first that abated the power of Sparta, and the other was the first that made way to the overthrow of the monarchy of Persia. And this concurrence is yet more visible in times than in persons, by how much an age is greater object than a man. For both in Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Græcia, and Rome, the same times that are most renowned for arms are, likewise, most admired for learning, so that the greatest authors and philosophers, and the greatest captains and governors, have lived in the same ages. Neither can it otherwise he: for as in man the ripeness of strength of the body and mind cometh much about an age, save that the strength of the body cometh somewhat the more early, so in states, arms and learning, whereof the one correspondeth to the body, the other to the soul of man, have a concurrence or near sequence in times.

(3) And for matter of policy and government, that learning, should rather hurt, than enable thereunto, is a thing very improbable; we see it is accounted an error to commit a natural body to empiric physicians, which commonly have a few pleasing receipts whereupon they are confident and adventurous, but know neither the causes of diseases, nor the complexions of patients, nor peril of accidents, nor the true method of cures; we see it is a like error to rely upon advocates or lawyers which are only men of practice, and not grounded in their books, who are many times easily surprised when matter falleth out besides their experience, to the prejudice of the causes they handle: so by like reason it cannot be but a matter of doubtful consequence if states be managed by empiric statesmen, not well mingled with men grounded in learning. But contrariwise, it is almost without instance contradictory that ever any government was disastrous that was in the hands of learned governors. For howsoever it hath been ordinary with politic men to extenuate and disable learned men by the names of pedantes; yet in the records of time it appeareth in many particulars that the governments of princes in minority (notwithstanding the infinite disadvantage of that kind of state) - have nevertheless excelled the government of princes of mature age, even for that reason which they seek to traduce, which is that by that occasion the state hath been in the hands of pedantes: for so was the state of Rome for the first five years, which are so much magnified, during the minority of Nero, in the hands of Seneca, a pedenti; so it was again, for ten years’ space or more, during the minority of Gordianus the younger, with great applause and contentation in the hands of Misitheus, a pedanti: so was it before that, in the minority of Alexander Severus, in like happiness, in hands not much unlike, by reason of the rule of the women, who were aided by the teachers and preceptors. Nay, let a man look into the government of the Bishops of Rome, as by name, into the government of Pius Quintus and Sextus Quintus in our times, who were both at their entrance esteemed but as pedantical friars, and he shall find that such Popes do greater things, and proceed upon truer principles of state, than those which have ascended to the papacy from an education and breeding in affairs of state and courts of princes; for although men bred in learning are perhaps to seek in points of convenience and accommodating for the present, which the Italians call ragioni di stato, whereof the same Pius Quintus could not hear spoken with patience, terming them inventions against religion and the moral virtues; yet on the other side, to recompense that, they are perfect in those same plain grounds of religion, justice, honour, and moral virtue, which if they be well and watchfully pursued, there will be seldom use of those other, no more than of physic in a sound or well-dieted body. Neither can the experience of one man’s life furnish examples and precedents for the event of one man’s life. For as it happeneth sometimes that the grandchild, or other descendant, resembleth the ancestor more than the son; so many times occurrences of present times may sort better with ancient examples than with those of the later or immediate times; and lastly, the wit of one man can no more countervail learning than one man’s means can hold way with a common purse.

(4) And as for those particular seducements or indispositions of the mind for policy and government, which learning is pretended to insinuate; if it be granted that any such thing be, it must be remembered withal that learning ministereth in every of them greater strength of medicine or remedy than it offereth cause of indisposition or infirmity. For if by a secret operation it make men perplexed and irresolute, on the other side by plain precept it teacheth them when and upon what ground to resolve; yea, and how to carry things in suspense, without prejudice, till they resolve. If it make men positive and regular, it teacheth them what things are in their nature de-monstrative, and what are conjectural, and as well the use of distinctions and excep-tions, as the latitude of principles and rules. If it mislead by disproportion or dissimi-litude of examples, it teacheth men the force of circumstances, the errors of com-parisons, and all the cautions of application; so that in all these it doth rectify more effectually than it can pervert. And these medicines it conveyeth into men’s minds much more forcibly by the quickness and penetration of examples. For let a man look into the errors of Clement VII., so lively described by Guicciardini, who served under him, or into the errors of Cicero, painted out by his own pencil in his Epistles to Atticus, and he will fly apace from being irresolute. Let him look into the errors of Phocion, and he will beware how he be obstinate or inflexible. Let him but read the fable of Ixion, and it will hold him from being vaporous or imaginative. Let him look into the errors of Cato II., and he will never be one of the Antipodes, to tread oppo-site to the present world.

(5) And for the conceit that learning should dispose men to leisure and privateness, and make men slothful: it were a strange thing if that which accustometh the mind to a perpetual motion and agitation should induce slothfulness, whereas, contrariwise, it may be truly affirmed that no kind of men love business for itself but those that are learned; for other persons love it for profit, as a hireling that loves the work for the wages; or for honour, as because it beareth them up in the eyes of men, and refresheth their reputation, which otherwise would wear; or because it putteth them in mind of their fortune, and giveth them occasion to pleasure and displeasure; or because it exerciseth some faculty wherein they take pride, and so entertaineth them in good-humour and pleasing conceits towards themselves; or because it advanceth any other their ends. So that as it is said of untrue valours, that some men’s valours are in the eyes of them that look on, so such men’s industries are in the eyes of others, or, at least, in regard of their own designments; only learned men love business as an action according to nature, as agreeable to health of mind as exercise is to health of body, taking pleasure in the action itself, and not in the purchase, so that of all men they are the most indefatigable, if it be towards any business which can hold or detain their mind.

(6) And if any man be laborious in reading and study, and yet idle in business and ac-tion, it groweth from some weakness of body or softness of spirit, such as Seneca speaketh of: Quidam tam sunt umbratiles, ut putent in turbido esse quicquid in luce est; and not of learning: well may it be that such a point of a man’s nature may make him give himself to learning, but it is not learning that breedeth any such point in his nature.

(7) And that learning should take up too much time or leisure: I answer, the most ac-tive or busy man that hath been or can be, hath (no question) many vacant times of leisure while he expecteth the tides and returns of business (except he be either tedious and of no despatch, or lightly and unworthily ambitious to meddle in things that may be better done by others), and then the question is but how those spaces and times of leisure shall be filled and spent; whether in pleasure or in studies; as was well answered by Demosthenes to his adversary Æschines, that was a man given to pleasure, and told him “That his orations did smell of the lamp.” “Indeed,” said Demosthenes, “there is a great difference between the things that you and I do by lamp-light.” So as no man need doubt that learning will expel business, but rather it will keep and defend the possession of the mind against idleness and pleasure, which otherwise at unawares may enter to the prejudice of both.

(8) Again, for that other conceit that learning should undermine the reverence of laws and government, it is assuredly a mere depravation and calumny, without all shadow of truth. For to say that a blind custom of obedience should be a surer obligation than duty taught and understood, it is to affirm that a blind man may tread surer by a guide than a seeing man can by a light. And it is without all controversy that learning doth make the minds of men gentle, generous, manageable, and pliant to government; whereas ignorance makes them churlish, thwart, and mutinous: and the evidence of time doth clear this assertion, considering that the most barbarous, rude, and unlearned times have been most subject to tumults, seditious, and changes.

(9) And as to the judgment of Cato the Censor, he was well punished for his blas-phemy against learning, in the same kind wherein he offended; for when he was past threescore years old, he was taken with an extreme desire to go to school again, and to learn the Greek tongue, to the end to peruse the Greek authors; which doth well demonstrate that his former censure of the Grecian learning was rather an affected gravity, than according to the inward sense of his own opinion. And as for Virgil’s verses, though it pleased him to brave the world in taking to the Romans the art of empire, and leaving to others the arts of subjects, yet so much is manifest - that the Romans never ascended to that height of empire till the time they had ascended to the height of other arts. For in the time of the two first Cæsars, which had the art of government in greatest perfection, there lived the best poet, Virgilius Maro; the best historiographer, Titus Livius; the best antiquary, Marcus Varro; and the best or second orator, Marcus Cicero, that to the memory of man are known. As for the accusation of Socrates, the time must be remembered when it was prosecuted; which was under the Thirty Tyrants, the most base, bloody, and envious persons that have governed; which revolution of state was no sooner over but Socrates, whom they had made a person criminal, was made a person heroical, and his memory accumulate with honours divine and human; and those discourses of his which were then termed corrupting of manners, were after acknowledged for sovereign medicines of the mind and manners, and so have been received ever since till this day. Let this, therefore, serve for answer to politiques, which in their humorous severity, or in their feigned gravity, have presumed to throw imputations upon learning; which redargution nevertheless (save that we know not whether our labours may extend to other ages) were not needful for the present, in regard of the love and reverence towards learning which the example and countenance of two so learned princes, Queen Elizabeth and your Majesty, being as Castor and Pollux, lucida sidera, stars of excellent light and most benign influence, hath wrought in all men of place and authority in our nation.

III. 

(1) Now therefore we come to that third sort of discredit or diminution of credit that groweth unto learning from learned men themselves, which commonly cleaveth fastest: it is either from their fortune, or from their manners, or from the nature of their studies. For the first, it is not in their power; and the second is accidental; the third only is proper to be handled: but because we are not in hand with true measure, but with popular estimation and conceit, it is not amiss to speak somewhat of the two former. The derogations therefore which grow to learning from the fortune or condition of learned men, are either in respect of scarcity of means, or in respect of privateness of life and meanness of employments.

(2) Concerning want, and that it is the case of learned men usually to begin with little, and not to grow rich so fast as other men, by reason they convert not their labours chiefly to lucre and increase, it were good to leave the commonplace in commendation of povery to some friar to handle, to whom much was attributed by Machiavel in this point when he said, “That the kingdom of the clergy had been long before at an end, if the reputation and reverence towards the poverty of friars had not borne out the scandal of the superfluities and excesses of bishops and prelates.” So a man might say that the felicity and delicacy of princes and great persons had long since turned to rudeness and barbarism, if the poverty of learning had not kept up civility and honour of life; but without any such advantages, it is worthy the observation what a reverent and honoured thing poverty of fortune was for some ages in the Roman state, which nevertheless was a state without paradoxes. For we see what Titus Livius saith in his introduction: Cæterum aut me amor negotii suscepti fallit aut nulla unquam respublica nec major, nec sanctior, nec bonis exemplis ditior fuit; nec in quam tam sero avaritia luxuriaque immigraverint; nec ubi tantus ac tam diu paupertati ac parsimoniæ honos fuerit. We see likewise, after that the state of Rome was not itself, but did degenerate, how that person that took upon him to be counsellor to Julius Cæsar after his victory where to begin his restoration of the state, maketh it of all points the most summary to take away the estimation of wealth: Verum hæc et omnia mala pariter cum honore pecuniæ desinent; si neque magistratus, neque alia vulgo cupienda, venalia erunt. To conclude this point: as it was truly said that Paupertas est virtutis fortuna, though sometimes it come from vice, so it may be fitly said that, though some times it may proceed from misgovernment and accident. Surely Solomon hath pronounced it both in censure, Qui festinat ad divitias non erit insons; and in precept, “Buy the truth, and sell it not; and so of wisdom and knowledge;” judging that means were to be spent upon learning, and not learning to be applied to means. And as for the privateness or obscureness (as it may be in vulgar estimation accounted) of life of contemplative men, it is a theme so common to extol a private life, not taxed with sensuality and sloth, in comparison and to the disadvantage of a civil life, for safety, liberty, pleasure, and dignity, or at least freedom from indignity, as no man handleth it but handleth it well; such a consonancy it hath to men’s conceits in the expressing, and to men’s consents in the allowing. This only I will add, that learned men forgotten in states and not living in the eyes of men, are like the images of Cassius and Brutus in the funeral of Junia, of which, not being represented as many others were, Tacitus saith, Eo ipso præfulgebant quod non visebantur.

(3) And for meanness of employment, that which is most traduced to contempt is that the government of youth is commonly allotted to them; which age, because it is the age of least authority, it is transferred to the disesteeming of those employments wherein youth is conversant, and which are conversant about youth. But how unjust this traducement is (if you will reduce things from popularity of opinion to measure of reason) may appear in that we see men are more curious what they put into a new vessel than into a vessel seasoned; and what mould they lay about a young plant than about a plant corroborate; so as this weakest terms and times of all things use to have the best applications and helps. And will you hearken to the Hebrew rabbins? “Your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” say they, youth is the worthier age, for that visions are nearer apparitions of God than dreams? And let it be noted that howsoever the condition of life of pedantes hath been scorned upon theatres, as the ape of tyranny; and that the modern looseness or negligence hath taken no due regard to the choice of schoolmasters and tutors; yet the ancient wisdom of the best times did always make a just complaint, that states were too busy with their laws and too negligent in point of education: which excellent part of ancient discipline hath been in some sort revived of late times by the colleges of the Jesuits; of whom, although in regard of their superstition I may say, Quo meliores, eo deteriores; yet in regard of this, and some other points concerning human learning and moral matters, I may say, as Agesilaus said to his enemy Pharnabazus, Talis quum sis, utunam noster esses. And that much touching the discredits drawn from the fortunes of learned men.

(4) As touching the manners of learned men, it is a thing personal and individual: and no doubt there be amongst them, as in other professions, of all temperatures: but yet so as it is not without truth which is said, that Abeunt studua in mores, studies have an influence and operation upon the manners of those that are conversant in them.

(5) But upon an attentive and indifferent review, I for my part cannot find any disgrace to learning can proceed from the manners of learned men; not inherent to them as they are learned; except it be a fault (which was the supposed fault of Demosthenes, Cicero, Cato II., Seneca, and many more) that because the times they read of are commonly better than the times they live in, and the duties taught better than the duties practised, they contend sometimes too far to bring things to perfection, and to reduce the corruption of manners to honesty of precepts or examples of too great height. And yet hereof they have caveats enough in their own walks. For Solon, when he was asked whether he had given his citizens the best laws, answered wisely, “Yea, of such as they would receive:” and Plato, finding that his own heart could not agree with the corrupt manners of his country, refused to bear place or office, saying, “That a man’s country was to be used as his parents were, that is, with humble persuasions, and not with contestations.” And Cæsar’s counsellor put in the same caveat, Non ad vetera instituta revocans quæ jampridem corruptis moribus ludibrio sunt; and Cicero noteth this error directly in Cato II. when he writes to his friend Atticus, Cato optime sentit, sed nocet interdum reipublicæ; loquitur enim tanquam in republicâ Platonis, non tanquam in fæce Romuli. And the same Cicero doth excuse and expound the philosophers for going too far and being too exact in their prescripts when he saith, Isti ipse præceptores virtutis et magistri videntur fines officiorum paulo longius quam natura vellet protulisse, ut cum ad ultimum animo contendissemus, ibi tamen, ubi oportet, consisteremus: and yet himself might have said, Monitis sum minor ipse meis; for it was his own fault, though not in so extreme a degree.

(6) Another fault likewise much of this kind hath been incident to learned men, which is, that they have esteemed the preservation, good, and honour of their countries or masters before their own fortunes or safeties. For so saith Demosthenes unto the Athenians: “If it please you to note it, my counsels unto you are not such whereby I should grow great amongst you, and you become little amongst the Grecians; but they be of that nature as they are sometimes not good for me to give, but are always good for you to follow.” And so Seneca, after he had consecrated that Quinquennium Neronis to the eternal glory of learned governors, held on his honest and loyal course of good and free counsel after his master grew extremely corrupt in his government. Neither can this point otherwise be, for learning endueth men’s minds with a true sense of the frailty of their persons, the casualty of their fortunes, and the dignity of their soul and vocation, so that it is impossible for them to esteem that any greatness of their own fortune can be a true or worthy end of their being and ordainment, and therefore are desirous to give their account to God, and so likewise to their masters under God (as kings and the states that they serve) in those words, Ecce tibi lucrefeci, and not Ecce mihi lucrefeci; whereas the corrupter sort of mere politiques, that have not their thoughts established by learning in the love and apprehension of duty, nor never look abroad into universality, do refer all things to themselves, and thrust themselves into the centre of the world, as if all lines should meet in them and their fortunes, never caring in all tempests what becomes of the ship of state, so they may save themselves in the cockboat of their own fortune; whereas men that feel the weight of duty and know the limits of self-love use to make good their places and duties, though with peril; and if they stand in seditious and violent alterations, it is rather the reverence which many times both adverse parts do give to honesty, than any versatile advantage of their own carriage. But for this point of tender sense and fast obligation of duty which learning doth endue the mind withal, howsoever fortune may tax it, and many in the depth of their corrupt principles may despise it, yet it will receive an open allowance, and therefore needs the less disproof or excuse.

(7) Another fault incident commonly to learned men, which may be more properly defended than truly denied, is that they fail sometimes in applying themselves to par-ticular persons, which want of exact application ariseth from two causes - the one, because the largeness of their mind can hardly confine itself to dwell in the exquisite observation or examination of the nature and customs of one person, for it is a speech for a lover, and not for a wise man, Satis magnum alter alteri theatrum sumus. Nevertheless I shall yield that he that cannot contract the sight of his mind as well as disperse and dilate it, wanteth a great faculty. But there is a second cause, which is no inability, but a rejection upon choice and judgment. For the honest and just bounds of observation by one person upon another extend no further but to understand him sufficiently, whereby not to give him offence, or whereby to be able to give him faithful counsel, or whereby to stand upon reasonable guard and caution in respect of a man’s self. But to be speculative into another man to the end to know how to work him, or wind him, or govern him, proceedeth from a heart that is double and cloven, and not entire and ingenuous; which as in friendship it is want of integrity, so towards princes or superiors is want of duty. For the custom of the Levant, which is that subjects do forbear to gaze or fix their eyes upon princes, is in the outward ceremony barbarous, but the moral is good; for men ought not, by cunning and bent observations, to pierce and penetrate into the hearts of kings, which the Scripture hath declared to be inscrutable.

(8) There is yet another fault (with which I will conclude this part) which is often noted in learned men, that they do many times fail to observe decency and discretion in their behaviour and carriage, and commit errors in small and ordinary points of action, so as the vulgar sort of capacities do make a judgment of them in greater matters by that which they find wanting in them in smaller. But this consequence doth oft deceive men, for which I do refer them over to that which was said by Themistocles, arrogantly and uncivilly being applied to himself out of his own mouth, but, being applied to the general state of this question, pertinently and justly, when, being invited to touch a lute, he said, “He could not fiddle, but he could make a small town a great state.” So no doubt many may be well seen in the passages of government and policy which are to seek in little and punctual occasions. I refer them also to that which Plato said of his master Socrates, whom he compared to the gallipots of apothecaries, which on the outside had apes and owls and antiques, but contained within sovereign and precious liquors and confections; acknowledging that, to an external report, he was not without superficial levities and deformities, but was inwardly replenished with excellent virtues and powers. And so much touching the point of manners of learned men.

(9) But in the meantime I have no purpose to give allowance to some conditions and courses base and unworthy, wherein divers professors of learning have wronged themselves and gone too far; such as were those trencher philosophers which in the later age of the Roman state were usually in the houses of great persons, being little better than solemn parasites, of which kind, Lucian maketh a merry description of the philosopher that the great lady took to ride with her in her coach, and would needs have him carry her little dog, which he doing officiously and yet uncomely, the page scoffed and said, “That he doubted the philosopher of a Stoic would turn to be a Cynic.” But, above all the rest, this gross and palpable flattery whereunto many not unlearned have abased and abused their wits and pens, turning (as Du Bartas saith) Hecuba into Helena, and Faustina into Lucretia, hath most diminished the price and estimation of learning. Neither is the modern dedication of books and writings, as to patrons, to be commended, for that books (such as are worthy the name of books) ought to have no patrons but truth and reason. And the ancient custom was to dedi-cate them only to private and equal friends, or to entitle the books with their names; or if to kings and great persons, it was to some such as the argument of the book was fit and proper for; but these and the like courses may deserve rather reprehension than defence.

(10) Not that I can tax or condemn the morigeration or application of learned men to men in fortune. For the answer was good that Diogenes made to one that asked him in mockery, “How it came to pass that philosophers were the followers of rich men, and not rich men of philosophers?” He answered soberly, and yet sharply, “Because the one sort knew what they had need of, and the other did not.” And of the like nature was the answer which Aristippus made, when having a petition to Dionysius, and no ear given to him, he fell down at his feet, whereupon Dionysius stayed and gave him the hearing, and granted it; and afterwards some person, tender on the behalf of philosophy, reproved Aristippus that he would offer the profession of philosophy such an indignity as for a private suit to fall at a tyrant’s feet; but he answered, “It was not his fault, but it was the fault of Dionysius, that had his ears in his feet.” Neither was it accounted weakness, but discretion, in him that would not dispute his best with Adrianus Cæsar, excusing himself, “That it was reason to yield to him that commanded thirty legions.” These and the like, applications, and stooping to points of necessity and convenience, cannot be disallowed; for though they may have some outward baseness, yet in a judgment truly made they are to be accounted submissions to the occasion and not to the person.

IV. 

(1) Now I proceed to those errors and vanities which have intervened amongst the studies themselves of the learned, which is that which is principal and proper to the present argument; wherein my purpose is not to make a justification of the errors, but by a censure and separation of the errors to make a justification of that which is good and sound, and to deliver that from the aspersion of the other. For we see that it is the manner of men to scandalise and deprave that which retaineth the state and virtue, by taking advantage upon that which is corrupt and degenerate, as the heathens in the primitive Church used to blemish and taint the Christians with the faults and corruptions of heretics. But nevertheless I have no meaning at this time to make any exact animadversion of the errors and impediments in matters of learning, which are more secret and remote from vulgar opinion, but only to speak unto such as do fall under or near unto a popular observation.

(2) There be therefore chiefly three vanities in studies, whereby learning hath been most traduced. For those things we do esteem vain which are either false or frivolous, those which either have no truth or no use; and those persons we esteem vain which are either credulous or curious; and curiosity is either in matter or words: so that in reason as well as in experience there fall out to be these three distempers (as I may term them) of learning - the first, fantastical learning; the second, contentious learning; and the last, delicate learning; vain imaginations, vain altercations, and vain affectations; and with the last I will begin. Martin Luther, conducted, no doubt, by a higher Providence, but in discourse of reason, finding what a province he had undertaken against the Bishop of Rome and the degenerate traditions of the Church, and finding his own solitude, being in nowise aided by the opinions of his own time, was enforced to awake all antiquity, and to call former times to his succours to make a party against the present time. So that the ancient authors, both in divinity and in humanity, which had long time slept in libraries, began generally to be read and revolved. This, by consequence, did draw on a necessity of a more exquisite travail in the languages original, wherein those authors did write, for the better understanding of those authors, and the better advantage of pressing and applying their words. And thereof grew, again, a delight in their manner of style and phrase, and an admiration of that kind of writing, which was much furthered and precipitated by the enmity and opposition that the propounders of those primitive but seeming new opinions had against the schoolmen, who were generally of the contrary part, and whose writings were altogether in a differing style and form; taking liberty to coin and frame new terms of art to express their own sense, and to avoid circuit of speech, without regard to the pureness, pleasantness, and (as I may call it) lawfulness of the phrase or word. And again, because the great labour then was with the people (of whom the Pharisees were wont to say, Execrabilis ista turba, quæ non novit legem), for the winning and persuading of them, there grew of necessity in chief price and request eloquence and variety of discourse, as the fittest and forciblest access into the capacity of the vulgar sort; so that these four causes concurring - the admiration of ancient authors, the hate of the schoolmen, the exact study of languages, and the efficacy of preaching - did bring in an affectionate study of eloquence and copy of speech, which then began to flourish. This grew speedily to an excess; for men began to hunt more after words than matter - more after the choiceness of the phrase, and the round and clean composition of the sentence, and the sweet falling of the clauses, and the varying and illustration of their works with tropes and figures, than after the weight of matter, worth of subject, soundness of argument, life of invention, or depth of judgment. Then grew the flowing and watery vein of Osorius, the Portugal bishop, to be in price. Then did Sturmius spend such infinite and curious pains upon Cicero the Orator and Hermogenes the Rhetorician, besides his own books of Periods and Imitation, and the like. Then did Car of Cambridge and Ascham with their lectures and writings almost deify Cicero and Demosthenes, and allure all young men that were studious unto that delicate and polished kind of learning. Then did Erasmus take occasion to make the scoffing echo, Decem annos consuumpsi in legendo Cicerone; and the echo answered in Greek, One, Asine. Then grew the learning of the schoolmen to be utterly despised as barbarous. In sum, the whole inclination and bent of those times was rather towards copy than weight.

(3) Here therefore [is] the first distemper of learning, when men study words and not matter; whereof, though I have represented an example of late times, yet it hath been and will be secundum majus et minus in all time. And how is it possible but this should have an operation to discredit learning, even with vulgar capacities, when they see learned men’s works like the first letter of a patent or limited book, which though it hath large flourishes, yet it is but a letter? It seems to me that Pygmalion’s frenzy is a good emblem or portraiture of this vanity; for words are but the images of matter, and except they have life of reason and invention, to fall in love with them is all one as to fall in love with a picture.

(4) But yet notwithstanding it is a thing not hastily to be condemned, to clothe and adorn the obscurity even of philosophy itself with sensible and plausible elocution. For hereof we have great examples in Xenophon, Cicero, Seneca, Plutarch, and of Plato also in some degree; and hereof likewise there is great use, for surely, to the severe inquisition of truth and the deep progress into philosophy, it is some hindrance because it is too early satisfactory to the mind of man, and quencheth the desire of further search before we come to a just period. But then if a man be to have any use of such knowledge in civil occasions, of conference, counsel, persuasion, discourse, or the like, then shall he find it prepared to his hands in those authors which write in that manner. But the excess of this is so justly contemptible, that as Hercules, when he saw the image of Adonis, Venus’ minion, in a temple, said in disdain, Nil sacri es; so there is none of Hercules’ followers in learning - that is, the more severe and laborious sort of inquirers into truth - but will despise those delicacies and affectations, as indeed capable of no divineness. And thus much of the first disease or distemper of learning.

(5) The second which followeth is in nature worse than the former: for as substance of matter is better than beauty of words, so contrariwise vain matter is worse than vain words: wherein it seemeth the reprehension of St. Paul was not only proper for those times, but prophetical for the times following; and not only respective to divinity, but extensive to all knowledge: Devita profanas vocum novitates, et oppositiones falsi nominis scientiæ. For he assigneth two marks and badges of suspected and falsified science: the one, the novelty and strangeness of terms; the other, the strictness of positions, which of necessity doth induce oppositions, and so questions and alter-cations. Surely, like as many substances in nature which are solid do putrefy and corrupt into worms; - so it is the property of good and sound knowledge to putrefy and dissolve into a number of subtle, idle, unwholesome, and (as I may term them) ver-miculate questions, which have indeed a kind of quickness and life of spirit, but no soundness of matter or goodness of quality. This kind of degenerate learning did chiefly reign amongst the schoolmen, who having sharp and strong wits, and abun-dance of leisure, and small variety of reading, but their wits being shut up in the cells of a few authors (chiefly Aristotle their dictator) as their persons were shut up in the cells of monasteries and colleges, and knowing little history, either of nature or time, did out of no great quantity of matter and infinite agitation of wit spin out unto us those laborious webs of learning which are extant in their books. For the wit and mind of man, if it work upon matter, which is the contemplation of the creatures of God, worketh according to the stuff and is limited thereby; but if it work upon itself, as the spider worketh his web, then it is endless, and brings forth indeed cobwebs of learning, admirable for the fineness of thread and work, but of no substance or profit.

(6) This same unprofitable subtility or curiosity is of two sorts: either in the subject itself that they handle, when it is a fruitless speculation or controversy (whereof there are no small number both in divinity and philosophy), or in the manner or method of handling of a knowledge, which amongst them was this - upon every particular position or assertion to frame objections, and to those objections, solutions; which solutions were for the most part not confutations, but distinctions: whereas indeed the strength of all sciences is, as the strength of the old man’s faggot, in the bond. For the harmony of a science, supporting each part the other, is and ought to be the true and brief confutation and suppression of all the smaller sort of objections. But, on the other side, if you take out every axiom, as the sticks of the faggot, one by one, you may quarrel with them and bend them and break them at your pleasure: so that, as was said of Seneca, Verborum minutiis rerum frangit pondera, so a man may truly say of the schoolmen, Quæstionum minutiis scientiarum frangunt soliditatem. For were it not better for a man in fair room to set up one great light, or branching candlestick of lights, than to go about with a small watch-candle into every corner? And such is their method, that rests not so much upon evidence of truth proved by arguments, authorities, similitudes, examples, as upon particular confutations and solutions of every scruple, cavillation, and objection; breeding for the most part one question as fast as it solveth another; even as in the former resemblance, when you carry the light into one corner, you darken the rest; so that the fable and fiction of Scylla seemeth to be a lively image of this kind of philosophy or knowledge; which was transformed into a comely virgin for the upper parts; but then Candida succinctam latrantibus inguina monstris: so the generalities of the schoolmen are for a while good and proportionable; but then when you descend into their distinctions and decisions, instead of a fruitful womb for the use and benefit of man’s life, they end in monstrous altercations and barking questions. So as it is not possible but this quality of knowledge must fall under popular contempt, the people being apt to contemn truths upon occasion of controversies and altercations, and to think they are all out of their way which never meet; and when they see such digladiation about subtleties, and matters of no use or moment, they easily fall upon that judgment of Dionysius of Syracusa, Verba ista sunt senum otiosorum.

(7) Notwithstanding, certain it is that if those schoolmen to their great thirst of truth and unwearied travail of wit had joined variety and universality of reading and con-templation, they had proved excellent lights, to the great advancement of all learning and knowledge; but as they are, they are great undertakers indeed, and fierce with dark keeping. But as in the inquiry of the divine truth, their pride inclined to leave the oracle of God’s word, and to vanish in the mixture of their own inventions; so in the inquisition of nature, they ever left the oracle of God’s works, and adored the deceiving and deformed images which the unequal mirror of their own minds, or a few received authors or principles, did represent unto them. And thus much for the second disease of learning.

(8) For the third vice or disease of learning, which concerneth deceit or untruth, it is of all the rest the foulest; as that which doth destroy the essential form of knowledge, which is nothing but a representation of truth: for the truth of being and the truth of knowing are one, differing no more than the direct beam and the beam reflected. This vice therefore brancheth itself into two sorts; delight in deceiving and aptness to be deceived; imposture and credulity; which, although they appear to be of a diverse nature, the one seeming to proceed of cunning and the other of simplicity, yet certainly they do for the most part concur: for, as the verse noteth -

“Percontatorem fugito, nam garrulus idem est,”

an inquisitive man is a prattler; so upon the like reason a credulous man is a deceiver: as we see it in fame, that he that will easily believe rumours will as easily augment rumours and add somewhat to them of his own; which Tacitus wisely noteth, when he saith, Fingunt simul creduntque: so great an affinity hath fiction and belief.

(9) This facility of credit and accepting or admitting things weakly authorised or war-ranted is of two kinds according to the subject: for it is either a belief of history, or, as the lawyers speak, matter of fact; or else of matter of art and opinion. As to the former, we see the experience and inconvenience of this error in ecclesiastical history; which hath too easily received and registered reports and narrations of miracles wrought by martyrs, hermits, or monks of the desert, and other holy men, and their relics, shrines, chapels and images: which though they had a passage for a time by the ignorance of the people, the superstitious simplicity of some and the politic toleration of others holding them but as divine poesies, yet after a period of time, when the mist began to clear up, they grew to be esteemed but as old wives’ fables, impostures of the clergy, illusions of spirits, and badges of Antichrist, to the great scandal and detriment of religion.

(10) So in natural history, we see there hath not been that choice and judgment used as ought to have been; as may appear in the writings of Plinius, Cardanus, Albertus, and divers of the Arabians, being fraught with much fabulous matter, a great part not only untried, but notoriously untrue, to the great derogation of the credit of natural philosophy with the grave and sober kind of wits: wherein the wisdom and integrity of Aristotle is worthy to be observed, that, having made so diligent and exquisite a history of living creatures, hath mingled it sparingly with any vain or feigned matter; and yet on the other side hath cast all prodigious narrations, which he thought worthy the recording, into one book, excellently discerning that matter of manifest truth, such whereupon observation and rule was to be built, was not to be mingled or weakened with matter of doubtful credit; and yet again, that rarities and reports that seem uncredible are not to be suppressed or denied to the memory of men.

(11) And as for the facility of credit which is yielded to arts and opinions, it is likewise of two kinds; either when too much belief is attributed to the arts themselves, or to certain authors in any art. The sciences themselves, which have had better intelligence and confederacy with the imagination of man than with his reason, are three in number: astrology, natural magic, and alchemy; of which sciences, nevertheless, the ends or pretences are noble. For astrology pretendeth to discover that correspondence or concatenation which is between the superior globe and the inferior; natural magic pretendeth to call and reduce natural philosophy from variety of speculations to the magnitude of works; and alchemy pretendeth to make separation of all the unlike parts of bodies which in mixtures of natures are incorporate. But the derivations and prosecutions to these ends, both in the theories and in the practices, are full of error and vanity; which the great professors themselves have sought to veil over and conceal by enigmatical writings, and referring themselves to auricular traditions and such other devices, to save the credit of impostures. And yet surely to alchemy this right is due, that it may be compared to the husbandman whereof Æsop makes the fable; that, when he died, told his sons that he had left unto them gold buried underground in his vineyard; and they digged over all the ground, and gold they found none; but by reason of their stirring and digging the mould about the roots of their vines, they had a great vintage the year following: so assuredly the search and stir to make gold hath brought to light a great number of good and fruitful inventions and experiments, as well for the disclosing of nature as for the use of man’s life.

(12) And as for the overmuch credit that hath been given unto authors in sciences, in making them dictators, that their words should stand, and not consuls, to give advice; the damage is infinite that sciences have received thereby, as the principal cause that hath kept them low at a stay without growth or advancement. For hence it hath come, that in arts mechanical the first deviser comes shortest, and time addeth and perfecteth; but in sciences the first author goeth furthest, and time leeseth and corrupteth. So we see artillery, sailing, printing, and the like, were grossly managed at the first, and by time accommodated and refined; but contrariwise, the philosophies and sciences of Aristotle, Plato, Democritus, Hippocrates, Euclides, Archimedes, of most vigour at the first, and by time degenerate and imbased: whereof the reason is no other, but that in the former many wits and industries have contributed in one; and in the latter many wits and industries have been spent about the wit of some one, whom many times they have rather depraved than illustrated; for, as water will not ascend higher than the level of the first spring-head from whence it descendeth, so knowledge derived from Aristotle, and exempted from liberty of examination, will not rise again higher than the knowledge of Aristotle. And, therefore, although the position be good, Oportet discentem credere, yet it must be coupled with this, Oportet edoctum judicare; for disciples do owe unto masters only a temporary belief and a suspension of their own judgment till they be fully instructed, and not an absolute resignation or perpetual captivity; and therefore, to conclude this point, I will say no more, but so let great authors have their due, as time, which is the author of authors, be not deprived of his due - which is, further and further to discover truth. Thus have I gone over these three diseases of learning; besides the which there are some other rather peccant humours than formed diseases, which, nevertheless, are not so secret and intrinsic, but that they fall under a popular observation and traducement, and, therefore, are not to be passed over.

V. 

(1) The first of these is the extreme affecting of two extremities: the one antiquity, the other novelty; wherein it seemeth the children of time do take after the nature and malice of the father. For as he devoureth his children, so one of them seeketh to devour and suppress the other; while antiquity envieth there should be new additions, and novelty cannot be content to add but it must deface; surely the advice of the prophet is the true direction in this matter, State super vias antiquas, et videte quænam sit via recta et bona et ambulate in ea. Antiquity deserveth that reverence, that men should make a stand thereupon and discover what is the best way; but when the discovery is well taken, then to make progression. And to speak truly, Antiquitas sæculi juventus mundi. These times are the ancient times, when the world is ancient, and not those which we account ancient ordine retrogrado, by a computation backward from ourselves.

(2) Another error induced by the former is a distrust that anything should be now to be found out, which the world should have missed and passed over so long time: as if the same objection were to be made to time that Lucian maketh to Jupiter and other the heathen gods; of which he wondereth that they begot so many children in old time, and begot none in his time; and asketh whether they were become septuagenary, or whether the law Papia, made against old men’s marriages, had restrained them. So it seemeth men doubt lest time is become past children and generation; wherein contrariwise we see commonly the levity and unconstancy of men’s judgments, which, till a matter be done, wonder that it can be done; and as soon as it is done, wonder again that it was no sooner done: as we see in the expedition of Alexander into Asia, which at first was prejudged as a vast and impossible enterprise; and yet afterwards it pleaseth Livy to make no more of it than this, Nil aliud quàm bene ausus vana contemnere. And the same happened to Columbus in the western navigation. But in intellectual matters it is much more common, as may be seen in most of the propositions of Euclid; which till they be demonstrate, they seem strange to our assent; but being demonstrate, our mind accepteth of them by a kind of relation (as the lawyers speak), as if we had known them before.

(3) Another error, that hath also some affinity with the former, is a conceit that of former opinions or sects after variety and examination the best hath still prevailed and suppressed the rest; so as if a man should begin the labour of a new search, he were but like to light upon somewhat formerly rejected, and by rejection brought into oblivion; as if the multitude, or the wisest for the multitude’s sake, were not ready to give passage rather to that which is popular and superficial than to that which is substantial and profound for the truth is, that time seemeth to be of the nature of a river or stream, which carrieth down to us that which is light and blown up, and sin-keth and drowneth that which is weighty and solid.

(4) Another error, of a diverse nature from all the former, is the over-early and pe-remptory reduction of knowledge into arts and methods; from which time commonly sciences receive small or no augmentation. But as young men, when they knit and shape perfectly, do seldom grow to a further stature, so knowledge, while it is in aphorisms and observations, it is in growth; but when it once is comprehended in exact methods, it may, perchance, be further polished, and illustrate and accommodated for use and practice, but it increaseth no more in bulk and substance.

(5) Another error which doth succeed that which we last mentioned is, that after the distribution of particular arts and sciences, men have abandoned universality, or phi-losophia prima, which cannot but cease and stop all progression. For no perfect dis-covery can be made upon a flat or a level; neither is it possible to discover the more remote and deeper parts of any science if you stand but upon the level of the same science, and ascend not to a higher science.

(6) Another error hath proceeded from too great a reverence, and a kind of adoration of the mind and understanding of man; by means whereof, men have withdrawn themselves too much from the contemplation of nature, and the observations of experience, and have tumbled up and down in their own reason and conceits. Upon these intellectualists, which are notwithstanding commonly taken for the most sublime and divine philosophers, Heraclitus gave a just censure, saying: - “Men sought truth in their own little worlds, and not in the great and common world;” for they disdain to spell, and so by degrees to read in the volume of God’s works; and contrariwise by continual meditation and agitation of wit do urge and, as it were, invocate their own spirits to divine and give oracles unto them, whereby they are deservedly deluded.

(7) Another error that hath some connection with this latter is, that men have used to infect their meditations, opinions, and doctrines with some conceits which they have most admired, or some sciences which they have most applied, and given all things else a tincture according to them, utterly untrue and improper. So hath Plato intermingled his philosophy with theology, and Aristotle with logic; and the second school of Plato, Proclus and the rest, with the mathematics; for these were the arts which had a kind of primogeniture with them severally. So have the alchemists made a philosophy out of a few experiments of the furnace; and Gilbertus our countryman hath made a philosophy out of the observations of a loadstone. So Cicero, when reciting the several opinions of the nature of the soul, he found a musician that held the soul was but a harmony, saith pleasantly, Hic ab arte sua non recessit, &amp;c. But of these conceits Aristotle speaketh seriously and wisely when he saith, Qui respiciunt ad pauca de facili pronunciant.

(8) Another error is an impatience of doubt, and haste to assertion without due and mature suspension of judgment. For the two ways of contemplation are not unlike the two ways of action commonly spoken of by the ancients: the one plain and smooth in the beginning, and in the end impassable; the other rough and troublesome in the entrance, but after a while fair and even. So it is in contemplation: if a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.

(9) Another error is in the manner of the tradition and delivery of knowledge, which is for the most part magistral and peremptory, and not ingenuous and faithful; in a sort as may be soonest believed, and not easiest examined. It is true, that in compendious treatises for practice that form is not to be disallowed; but in the true handling of knowledge men ought not to fall either on the one side into the vein of Velleius the Epicurean, Nil tam metuens quam ne dubitare aliqua de revideretur: nor, on the other side, into Socrates, his ironical doubting of all things; but to propound things sincerely with more or less asseveration, as they stand in a man’s own judgment proved more or less.

(10) Other errors there are in the scope that men propound to themselves, whereunto they bend their endeavours; for, whereas the more constant and devote kind of professors of any science ought to propound to themselves to make some additions to their science, they convert their labours to aspire to certain second prizes: as to be a profound interpreter or commentor, to be a sharp champion or defender, to be a methodical compounder or abridger, and so the patrimony of knowledge cometh to be sometimes improved, but seldom augmented.

(11) But the greatest error of all the rest is the mistaking or misplacing of the last or furthest end of knowledge. For men have entered into a desire of learning and knowledge, sometimes upon a natural curiosity and inquisitive appetite; sometimes to entertain their minds with variety and delight; sometimes for ornament and reputation; and sometimes to enable them to victory of wit and contradiction; and most times for lucre and profession; and seldom sincerely to give a true account of their gift of reason to the benefit and use of men: as if there were sought in knowledge a couch whereupon to rest a searching and restless spirit; or a terrace for a wandering and variable mind to walk up and down with a fair prospect; or a tower of state, for a proud mind to raise itself upon; or a fort or commanding ground, for strife and con-tention; or a shop, for profit or sale; and not a rich storehouse for the glory of the Creator and the relief of man’s estate. But this is that which will indeed dignify and exalt knowledge, if contemplation and action may be more nearly and straitly conjoined and united together than they have been: a conjunction like unto that of the two highest planets, Saturn, the planet of rest and contemplation; and Jupiter, the planet of civil society and action, howbeit, I do not mean, when I speak of use and action, that end before-mentioned of the applying of knowledge to lucre and profession; for I am not ignorant how much that diverteth and interrupteth the prosecution and advancement of knowledge, like unto the golden ball thrown before Atalanta, which, while she goeth aside and stoopeth to take up, the race is hindered,

“Declinat cursus, aurumque volubile tollit.” 

Neither is my meaning, as was spoken of Socrates, to call philosophy down from heaven to converse upon the earth - that is, to leave natural philosophy aside, and to apply knowledge only to manners and policy. But as both heaven and earth do conspire and contribute to the use and benefit of man, so the end ought to be, from both philosophies to separate and reject vain speculations, and whatsoever is empty and void, and to preserve and augment whatsoever is solid and fruitful; that knowledge may not be as a courtesan, for pleasure and vanity only, or as a bond-woman, to acquire and gain to her master’s use; but as a spouse, for generation, fruit, and comfort.

(12) Thus have I described and opened, as by a kind of dissection, those peccant humours (the principal of them) which have not only given impediment to the profi-cience of learning, but have given also occasion to the traducement thereof: wherein, if I have been too plain, it must be remembered, fidelia vulnera amantis, sed dolosa oscula malignantis. This I think I have gained, that I ought to be the better believed in that which I shall say pertaining to commendation; because I have proceeded so freely in that which concerneth censure. And yet I have no purpose to enter into a laudative of learning, or to make a hymn to the Muses (though I am of opinion that it is long since their rites were duly celebrated), but my intent is, without varnish or amplification justly to weigh the dignity of knowledge in the balance with other things, and to take the true value thereof by testimonies and arguments, divine and human.

VI. 

(1) First, therefore, let us seek the dignity of knowledge in the archetype or first plat-form, which is in the attributes and acts of God, as far as they are revealed to man and may be observed with sobriety; wherein we may not seek it by the name of learning, for all learning is knowledge acquired, and all knowledge in God is original, and therefore we must look for it by another name, that of wisdom or sapience, as the Scriptures call it.

(2) It is so, then, that in the work of the creation we see a double emanation of virtue from God; the one referring more properly to power, the other to wisdom; the one expressed in making the subsistence of the matter, and the other in disposing the beauty of the form. This being supposed, it is to be observed that for anything which appeareth in the history of the creation, the confused mass and matter of heaven and earth was made in a moment, and the order and disposition of that chaos or mass was the work of six days; such a note of difference it pleased God to put upon the works of power, and the works of wisdom; wherewith concurreth, that in the former it is not set down that God said, “Let there be heaven and earth,” as it is set down of the works following; but actually, that God made heaven and earth: the one carrying the style of a manufacture, and the other of a law, decree, or counsel.

(3) To proceed, to that which is next in order from God, to spirits: we find, as far as credit is to be given to the celestial hierarchy of that supposed Dionysius, the senator of Athens, the first place or degree is given to the angels of love, which are termed seraphim; the second to the angels of light, which are termed cherubim; and the third, and so following places, to thrones, principalities, and the rest, which are all angels of power and ministry; so as this angels of knowledge and illumination are placed before the angels of office and domination.

(4) To descend from spirits and intellectual forms to sensible and material forms, we read the first form that was created was light, which hath a relation and correspondence in nature and corporal things to knowledge in spirits and incorporal things.

(5) So in the distribution of days we see the day wherein God did rest and contemplate His own works was blessed above all the days wherein He did effect and accomplish them.

(6) After the creation was finished, it is set down unto us that man was placed in the garden to work therein; which work, so appointed to him, could be no other than work of contemplation; that is, when the end of work is but for exercise and expe-riment, not for necessity; for there being then no reluctation of the creature, nor sweat of the brow, man’s employment must of consequence have been matter of delight in the experiment, and not matter of labour for the use. Again, the first acts which man performed in Paradise consisted of the two summary parts of knowledge; the view of creatures, and the imposition of names. As for the knowledge which induced the fall, it was, as was touched before, not the natural knowledge of creatures, but the moral knowledge of good and evil; wherein the supposition was, that God’s commandments or prohibitions were not the originals of good and evil, but that they had other beginnings, which man aspired to know, to the end to make a total defection from God and to depend wholly upon himself.

(7) To pass on: in the first event or occurrence after the fall of man, we see (as the Scriptures have infinite mysteries, not violating at all the truth of this story or letter) an image of the two estates, the contemplative state and the active state, figured in the two persons of Abel and Cain, and in the two simplest and most primitive trades of life; that of the shepherd (who, by reason of his leisure, rest in a place, and lying in view of heaven, is a lively image of a contemplative life), and that of the husbandman, where we see again the favour and election of God went to the shepherd, and not to the tiller of the ground.

(8) So in the age before the flood, the holy records within those few memorials which are there entered and registered have vouchsafed to mention and honour the name of the inventors and authors of music and works in metal. In the age after the flood, the first great judgment of God upon the ambition of man was the confusion of tongues; whereby the open trade and intercourse of learning and knowledge was chiefly imbarred.

(9) To descend to Moses the lawgiver, and God’s first pen: he is adorned by the Scriptures with this addition and commendation, “That he was seen in all the learning of the Egyptians,” which nation we know was one of the most ancient schools of the world: for so Plato brings in the Egyptian priest saying unto Solon, “You Grecians are ever children; you have no knowledge of antiquity, nor antiquity of knowledge.” Take a view of the ceremonial law of Moses; you shall find, besides the prefiguration of Christ, the badge or difference of the people of God, the exercise and impression of obedience, and other divine uses and fruits thereof, that some of the most learned Rabbins have travailed profitably and profoundly to observe, some of them a natural, some of them a moral sense, or reduction of many of the ceremonies and ordinances. As in the law of the leprosy, where it is said, “If the whiteness have overspread the flesh, the patient may pass abroad for clean; but if there be any whole flesh remaining, he is to be shut up for unclean;” one of them noteth a principle of nature, that putrefaction is more contagious before maturity than after; and another noteth a position of moral philosophy, that men abandoned to vice do not so much corrupt manners, as those that are half good and half evil. So in this and very many other places in that law, there is to be found, besides the theological sense, much aspersion of philosophy.

(10) So likewise in that excellent hook of Job, if it be revolved with diligence, it will be found pregnant and swelling with natural philosophy; as for example, cosmography, and the roundness of the world, Qui extendit aquilonem super vacuum, et appendit terram super nihilum; wherein the pensileness of the earth, the pole of the north, and the finiteness or convexity of heaven are manifestly touched. So again, matter of astronomy: Spiritus ejus ornavit cælos, et obstetricante manu ejus eductus est Coluber tortuoses. And in another place, Nunquid conjungere valebis micantes stellas Pleiadas, aut gyrum Arcturi poteris dissipare? Where the fixing of the stars, ever standing at equal distance, is with great elegancy noted. And in another place, Qui facit Arcturum, et Oriona, et Hyadas, et interiora Austri; where again he takes knowledge of the depression of the southern pole, calling it the secrets of the south, because the southern stars were in that climate unseen. Matter of generation: Annon sicut lac mulsisti me, et sicut caseum coagulasti me? &amp;c. Matter of minerals: Habet argentum venarum suarum principia; et auro locus est in quo conflatur, ferrum de terra tollitur, et lapis solutus calore in æs vertitur; and so forwards in that chapter.

(11) So likewise in the person of Solomon the king, we see the gift or endowment of wisdom and learning, both in Solomon’s petition and in God’s assent thereunto, pre-ferred before all other terrene and temporal felicity. By virtue of which grant or donative of God Solomon became enabled not only to write those excellent parables or aphorisms concerning divine and moral philosophy, but also to compile a natural his-tory of all verdure, from the cedar upon the mountain to the moss upon the wall (which is but a rudiment between putrefaction and an herb), and also of all things that breathe or move. Nay, the same Solomon the king, although he excelled in the glory of treasure and magnificent buildings, of shipping and navigation, of service and attendance, of fame and renown, and the like, yet he maketh no claim to any of those glories, but only to the glory of inquisition of truth; for so he saith expressly, “The glory of God is to conceal a thing, but the glory of the king is to find it out;” as if, according to the innocent play of children, the Divine Majesty took delight to hide His works, to the end to have them found out; and as if kings could not obtain a greater honour than to be God’s playfellows in that game; considering the great commandment of wits and means, whereby nothing needeth to be hidden from them.

(12) Neither did the dispensation of God vary in the times after our Saviour came into the world; for our Saviour himself did first show His power to subdue ignorance, by His conference with the priests and doctors of the law, before He showed His power to subdue nature by His miracles. And the coming of this Holy Spirit was chiefly figured and expressed in the similitude and gift of tongues, which are but vehicula scientiæ.

(13) So in the election of those instruments, which it pleased God to use for the plantation of the faith, notwithstanding that at the first He did employ persons alto-gether unlearned, otherwise than by inspiration, more evidently to declare His imme-diate working, and to abase all human wisdom or knowledge; yet nevertheless that counsel of His was no sooner performed, but in the next vicissitude and succession He did send His divine truth into the world, waited on with other learnings, as with servants or handmaids: for so we see St. Paul, who was only learned amongst the Apostles, had his pen most used in the Scriptures of the New Testament.

(14) So again we find that many of the ancient bishops and fathers of the Church were excellently read and studied in all the learning of this heathen; insomuch that the edict of the Emperor Julianus (whereby it was interdicted unto Christians to be admitted into schools, lectures, or exercises of learning) was esteemed and accounted a more pernicious engine and machination against the Christian Faith than were all the sanguinary prosecutions of his predecessors; neither could the emulation and jealousy of Gregory, the first of that name, Bishop of Rome, ever obtain the opinion of piety or devotion; but contrariwise received the censure of humour, malignity, and pusillanimity, even amongst holy men; in that he designed to obliterate and extinguish the memory of heathen antiquity and authors. But contrariwise it was the Christian Church, which, amidst the inundations of the Scythians on the one side from the north-west, and the Saracens from the east, did preserve in the sacred lap and bosom thereof the precious relics even of heathen learning, which otherwise had been extinguished, as if no such thing had ever been.

(15) And we see before our eyes, that in the age of ourselves and our fathers, when it pleased God to call the Church of Rome to account for their degenerate manners and ceremonies, and sundry doctrines obnoxious and framed to uphold the same abuses; at one and the same time it was ordained by the Divine Providence that there should attend withal a renovation and new spring of all other knowledges. And on the other side we see the Jesuits, who partly in themselves, and partly by the emulation and provocation of their example, have much quickened and strengthened the state of learning; we see (I say) what notable service and reparation they have done to the Roman see.

(16) Wherefore, to conclude this part, let it be observed, that there be two principal duties and services, besides ornament and illustration, which philosophy and human learning do perform to faith and religion. The one, because they are an effectual in-ducement to the exaltation of the glory of God. For as the Psalms and other Scriptures do often invite us to consider and magnify the great and wonderful works of God, so if we should rest only in the contemplation of the exterior of them as they first offer themselves to our senses, we should do a like injury unto the majesty of God, as if we should judge or construe of the store of some excellent jeweller by that only which is set out toward the street in his shop. The other, because they minister a singular help and preservative against unbelief and error. For our Saviour saith, “You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God;” laying before us two books or volumes to study, if we will be secured from error: first the Scriptures, revealing the will of God, and then the creatures expressing His power; whereof the latter is a key unto the former: not only opening our understanding to conceive the true sense of the Scriptures by the general notions of reason and rules of speech, but chiefly opening our belief, in drawing us into a due meditation of the omnipotency of God, which is chiefly signed and engraven upon His works. Thus much therefore for divine testimony and evidence concerning the true dignity and value of learning.

VII. 

(1) As for human proofs, it is so large a field, as in a discourse of this nature and brevity it is fit rather to use choice of those things which we shall produce, than to embrace the variety of them. First, therefore, in the degrees of human honour amongst the heathen, it was the highest to obtain to a veneration and adoration as a God. This unto the Christians is as the forbidden fruit. But we speak now separately of human testimony, according to which - that which the Grecians call apotheosis, and the Latins relatio inter divos - was the supreme honour which man could attribute unto man, specially when it was given, not by a formal decree or act of state (as it was used among the Roman Emperors), but by an inward assent and belief. Which honour, being so high, had also a degree or middle term; for there were reckoned above human honours, honours heroical and divine: in the attribution and distribution of which honours we see antiquity made this difference; that whereas founders and uniters of states and cities, lawgivers, extirpers of tyrants, fathers of the people, and other eminent persons in civil merit, were honoured but with the titles of worthies or demigods, such as were Hercules, Theseus, Minus, Romulus, and the like; on the other side, such as were inventors and authors of new arts, endowments, and commodities towards man’s life, were ever consecrated amongst the gods themselves, as was Ceres, Bacchus, Mercurius, Apollo, and others. And justly; for the merit of the former is confined within the circle of an age or a nation, and is like fruitful showers, which though they be profitable and good, yet serve but for that season, and for a latitude of ground where they fall; but the other is, indeed, like the benefits of heaven, which are permanent and universal. The former again is mixed with strife and perturbation, but the latter hath the true character of Divine Presence, coming in aura leni, without noise or agitation.

(2) Neither is certainly that other merit of learning, in repressing the inconveniences which grow from man to man, much inferior to the former, of relieving the necessities which arise from nature, which merit was lively set forth by the ancients in that feigned relation of Orpheus’ theatre, where all beasts and birds assembled, and, forgetting their several appetites - some of prey, some of game, some of quarrel - stood all sociably together listening unto the airs and accords of the harp, the sound whereof no sooner ceased, or was drowned by some louder noise, but every beast returned to his own nature; wherein is aptly described the nature and condition of men, who are full of savage and unreclaimed desires, of profit, of lust, of revenge; which as long as they give ear to precepts, to laws, to religion, sweetly touched with eloquence and persuasion of books, of sermons, of harangues, so long is society and peace maintained; but if these instruments be silent, or that sedition and tumult make them not audible, all things dissolve into anarchy and confusion.

(3) But this appeareth more manifestly when kings themselves, or persons of authority under them, or other governors in commonwealths and popular estates, are endued with learning. For although he might be thought partial to his own profession that said “Then should people and estates be happy when either kings were philosophers, or philosophers kings;” yet so much is verified by experience, that under learned princes and governors there have been ever the best times: for howsoever kings may have their imperfections in their passions and customs, yet, if they be illuminate by learning, they have those notions of religion, policy, and morality, which do preserve them and refrain them from all ruinous and peremptory errors and excesses, whispering evermore in their ears, when counsellors and servants stand mute and silent. And senators or counsellors, likewise, which be learned, to proceed upon more safe and substantial principles, than counsellors which are only men of experience; the one sort keeping dangers afar off, whereas the other discover them not till they come near hand, and then trust to the agility of their wit to ward or avoid them.

(4) Which felicity of times under learned princes (to keep still the law of brevity, by using the most eminent and selected examples) doth best appear in the age which passed from the death of Domitianus the emperor until the reign of Commodus; comprehending a succession of six princes, all learned, or singular favourers and ad-vancers of learning, which age for temporal respects was the most happy and flou-rishing that ever the Roman Empire (which then was a model of the world) enjoyed - a matter revealed and prefigured unto Domitian in a dream the night before he was slain: for he thought there was grown behind upon his shoulders a neck and a head of gold, which came accordingly to pass in those golden times which succeeded; of which princes we will make some commemoration; wherein, although the matter will be vulgar, and may be thought fitter for a declamation than agreeable to a treatise infolded as this is, yet, because it is pertinent to the point in hand - Neque semper arcum tendit Apollo - and to name them only were too naked and cursory, I will not omit it altogether. The first was Nerva, the excellent temper of whose government is by a glance in Cornelius Tacitus touched to the life: Postquam divus Nerva res oluim insociabiles miscuisset, imperium et libertatem. And in token of his learning, the last act of his short reign left to memory was a missive to his adopted son, Trajan, pro-ceeding upon some inward discontent at the ingratitude of the times, comprehended in a verse of Homer’s -

“Telis, Phœbe, tuis, lacrymas ulciscere nostras.”

(5) Trajan, who succeeded, was for his person not learned; but if we will hearken to the speech of our Saviour, that saith, “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall have a prophet’s reward,” he deserveth to be placed amongst the most learned princes; for there was not a greater admirer of learning or benefactor of learning, a founder of famous libraries, a perpetual advancer of learned men to office, and familiar converser with learned professors and preceptors who were noted to have then most credit in court. On the other side how much Trajan’s virtue and government was admired and renowned, surely no testimony of grave and faithful history doth more lively set forth than that legend tale of Gregorius Magnum, Bishop of Rome, who was noted for the extreme envy he bare towards all heathen excellency; and yet he is reported, out of the love and estimation of Trajan’s moral virtues, to have made unto God passionate and fervent prayers for the delivery of his soul out of hell, and to have obtained it, with a caveat that he should make no more such petitions. In this prince’s time also the persecutions against the Christians received intermission upon the certificate of Plinius Secundus, a man of excellent learning and by Trajan advanced.

(6) Adrian, his successor, was the most curious man that lived, and the most universal inquirer: insomuch as it was noted for an error in his mind that he desired to com-prehend all things, and not to reserve himself for the worthiest things, falling into the like humour that was long before noted in Philip of Macedon, who, when he would needs overrule and put down an excellent musician in an argument touching music, was well answered by him again - “God forbid, sir,” saith he, “that your fortune should be so bad as to know these things better than I.” It pleased God likewise to use the curiosity of this emperor as an inducement to the peace of His Church in those days; for having Christ in veneration, not as a God or Saviour, but as a wonder or novelty, and having his picture in his gallery matched with Apollonius (with whom in his vain imagination he thought its had some conformity), yet it served the turn to allay the bitter hatred of those times against the Christian name, so as the Church had peace during his time. And for his government civil, although he did not attain to that of Trajan’s in glory of arms or perfection of justice, yet in deserving of the weal of the subject he did exceed him. For Trajan erected many famous monuments and buildings, insomuch as Constantine the Great in emulation was wont to call him Parietaria, “wall-flower,” because his name was upon so many walls; but his buildings and works were more of glory and triumph than use and necessity. But Adrian spent his whole reign, which was peaceable, in a perambulation or survey of the Roman Empire, giving order and making assignation where he went for re-edifying of cities, towns, and forts decayed, and for cutting of rivers and streams, and for making bridges and passages, and for policing of cities and commonalties with new ordinances and constitutions, and granting new franchises and incorporations; so that his whole time was a very restoration of all the lapses and decays of former times.

(7) Antoninus Pius, who succeeded him, was a prince excellently learned, and had the patient and subtle wit of a schoolman, insomuch as in common speech (which leaves no virtue untaxed) he was called Cymini Sector, a carver or a divider of cummin seed, which is one of the least seeds. Such a patience he had and settled spirit to enter into the least and most exact differences of causes, a fruit no doubt of the exceeding tranquillity and serenity of his mind, which being no ways charged or encumbered, either with fears, remorses, or scruples, but having been noted for a man of the purest goodness, without all fiction or affectation, that hath reigned or lived, made his mind continually present and entire. He likewise approached a degree nearer unto Christianity, and became, as Agrippa said unto St. Paul, “half a Christian,” holding their religion and law in good opinion, and not only ceasing persecution, but giving way to the advancement of Christians.

(5) There succeeded him the first Divi fratres, the two adoptive brethren - Lucius Commodus Verus, son to Ælius Verus, who delighted much in the softer kind of learning, and was wont to call the poet Martial his Virgil; and Marcus Aurelius Anto-ninus: whereof the latter, who obscured his colleague and survived him long, was named the “Philosopher,” who, as he excelled all the rest in learning, so he excelled them likewise in perfection of all royal virtues; insomuch as Julianus the emperor, in his book entitled Cærsares, being as a pasquil or satire to deride all his predecessors, feigned that they were all invited to a banquet of the gods, and Silenus the jester sat at the nether end of the table and bestowed a scoff on everyone as they came in; but when Marcus Philosophus came in, Silenus was gravelled and out of countenance, not knowing where to carp at him, save at the last he gave a glance at his patience towards his wife. And the virtue of this prince, continued with that of his predecessor, made the name of Antoninus so sacred in the world, that though it were extremely dishonoured in Commodus, Caracalla, and Heliogabalus, who all bare the name, yet, when Alexander Severus refused the name because he was a stranger to the family, the Senate with one acclamation said, Quomodo Augustus, sic et Antoninus. In such renown and veneration was the name of these two princes in those days, that they would have had it as a perpetual addition in all the emperors’ style. In this emperor’s time also the Church for the most part was in peace; so as in this sequence of six princes we do see the blessed effects of learning in sovereignty, painted forth in the greatest table of the world.

(9) But for a tablet or picture of smaller volume (not presuming to speak of your Majesty that liveth), in my judgment the most excellent is that of Queen Elizabeth, your immediate predecessor in this part of Britain; a prince that, if Plutarch were now alive to write lives by parallels, would trouble him, I think, to find for her a parallel amongst women. This lady was endued with learning in her sex singular, and rare even amongst masculine princes - whether we speak of learning, of language, or of science, modern or ancient, divinity or humanity - and unto the very last year of her life she accustomed to appoint set hours for reading, scarcely any young student in a university more daily or more duly. As for her government, I assure myself (I shall not exceed if I do affirm) that this part of the island never had forty-five years of better tines, and yet not through the calmness of the season, but through the wisdom of her regiment. For if there be considered, of the one side, the truth of religion established, the constant peace and security, the good administration of justice, the temperate use of the prerogative, not slackened, nor much strained; the flourishing state of learning, sortable to so excellent a patroness; the convenient estate of wealth and means, both of crown and subject; the habit of obedience, and the moderation of discontents; and there be considered, on the other side, the differences of religion, the troubles of neighbour countries, the ambition of Spain, and opposition of Rome, and then that she was solitary and of herself; these things, I say, considered, as I could not have chosen an instance so recent and so proper, so I suppose I could not have chosen one more remarkable or eminent to the purpose now in hand, which is concerning the conjunction of learning in the prince with felicity in the people.

(10) Neither hath learning an influence and operation only upon civil merit and moral virtue, and the arts or temperature of peace and peaceable government; but likewise it hath no less power and efficacy in enablement towards martial and military virtue and prowess, as may be notably represented in the examples of Alexander the Great and Cæsar the Dictator (mentioned before, but now in fit place to be resumed), of whose virtues and acts in war there needs no note or recital, having been the wonders of time in that kind; but of their affections towards learning and perfections in learning it is pertinent to say somewhat.

(11) Alexander was bred and taught under Aristotle, the great philosopher, who dedi-cated divers of his books of philosophy unto him; he was attended with Callisthenes and divers other learned persons, that followed him in camp, throughout his journeys and conquests. What price and estimation he had learning in doth notably appear in these three particulars: first, in the envy he used to express that he bare towards Achilles, in this, that he had so good a trumpet of his praises as Homer’s verses; se-condly, in the judgment or solution he gave touching that precious cabinet of Darius, which was found among his jewels (whereof question was made what thing was wor-thy to be put into it, and he gave his opinion for Homer’s works); thirdly, in his letter to Aristotle, after he had set forth his books of nature, wherein he expostulateth with him for publishing the secrets or mysteries of philosophy; and gave him to understand that himself esteemed it more to excel other men in learning and knowledge than in power and empire. And what use he had of learning doth appear, or rather shine, in all his speeches and answers, being full of science and use of science, and that in all variety.

(12) And herein again it may seem a thing scholastical, and somewhat idle to recite things that every man knoweth; but yet, since the argument I handle leadeth me the-reunto, I am glad that men shall perceive I am as willing to flatter (if they will so call it) an Alexander, or a Cæsar, or an Antoninus, that are dead many hundred years since, as any that now liveth; for it is the displaying of the glory of learning in sovereignty that I propound to myself, and not a humour of declaiming in any man’s praises. Observe, then, the speech he used of Diogenes, and see if it tend not to the true state of one of the greatest questions of moral philosophy: whether the enjoying of outward things, or the contemning of them, be the greatest happiness; for when he saw Diogenes so perfectly contented with so little, he said to those that mocked at his condition, “were I not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes.” But Seneca inverteth it, and saith, “Plus erat, quod hic nollet accipere, quàm quod ille posset dare.” There were more things which Diogenes would have refused than those were which Alexander could have given or enjoyed.

(13) Observe, again, that speech which was usual with him, - “That he felt his mortality chiefly in two things, sleep and lust;” and see if it were not a speech extracted out of the depth of natural philosophy, and liker to have come out of the mouth of Aristotle or Democritus than from Alexander.

(14) See, again, that speech of humanity and poesy, when, upon the bleeding of his wounds, he called unto him one of his flatterers, that was wont to ascribe to him di-vine honour, and said, “Look, this is very blood; this is not such a liquor as Homer speaketh of, which ran from Venus’ hand when it was pierced by Diomedes.”

(15) See likewise his readiness in reprehension of logic in the speech he used to Cas-sander, upon a complaint that was made against his father Antipater; for when Alex-ander happened to say, “Do you think these men would have come from so far to complain except they had just cause of grief?” and Cassander answered, “Yea, that was the matter, because they thought they should not be disproved;” said Alexander, laughing, “See the subtleties of Aristotle, to take a matter both ways, pro et contra, &amp;c.”

(16) But note, again, how well he could use the same art which he reprehended to serve his own humour: when bearing a secret grudge to Callisthenes, because he was against the new ceremony of his adoration, feasting one night where the same Callisthenes was at the table, it was moved by some after supper, for entertainment sake, that Callisthenes, who was an eloquent man, might speak of some theme or purpose at his own choice; which Callisthenes did, choosing the praise of the Macedonian nation for his discourse, and performing the same with so good manner as the hearers were much ravished; whereupon Alexander, nothing pleased, said, “It was easy to be eloquent upon so good a subject; but,” saith he, “turn your style, and let us hear what you can say against us;” which Callisthenes presently undertook, and did with that sting and life that Alexander interrupted him, and said, “The goodness of the cause made him eloquent before, and despite made him eloquent then again.”

(17) Consider further, for tropes of rhetoric, that excellent use of a metaphor or translation, wherewith he taxeth Antipater, who was an imperious and tyrannous governor; for when one of Antipater’s friends commended him to Alexander for his moderation, that he did not degenerate as his other lieutenants did into the Persian pride, in uses of purple, but kept the ancient habit of Macedon, of black. “True,” saith Alexander; “but Antipater is all purple within.” Or that other, when Parmenio came to him in the plain of Arbela and showed him the innumerable multitude of his enemies, specially as they appeared by the infinite number of lights as it had been a new firmament of stars, and thereupon advised him to assail them by night; whereupon he answered, “That he would not steal the victory.”

(18) For matter of policy, weigh that significant distinction, so much in all ages em-braced, that he made between his two friends Hephæstion and Craterus, when he said, “That the one loved Alexander, and the other loved the king:” describing the principal difference of princes’ best servants, that some in affection love their person, and other in duty love their crown.

(19) Weigh also that excellent taxation of an error, ordinary with counsellors of princes, that they counsel their masters according to the model of their own mind and fortune, and not of their masters. When upon Darius’ great offers Parmenio had said, “Surely I would accept these offers were I as Alexander;” saith Alexander, “So would I were I as Parmenio.”

(20) Lastly, weigh that quick and acute reply which he made when he gave so large gifts to his friends and servants, and was asked what he did reserve for himself, and he answered, “Hope.” Weigh, I say, whether he had not cast up his account aright, because hope must be the portion of all that resolve upon great enterprises; for this was Cæsar’s portion when he went first into Gaul, his estate being then utterly overthrown with largesses. And this was likewise the portion of that noble prince, howsoever transported with ambition, Henry Duke of Guise, of whom it was usually said that he was the greatest usurer in France, because he had turned all his estate into obligations.

(21) To conclude, therefore, as certain critics are used to say hyperbolically, “That if all sciences were lost they might be found in Virgil,” so certainly this may be said truly, there are the prints and footsteps of learning in those few speeches which are reported of this prince, the admiration of whom, when I consider him not as Alexander the Great, but as Aristotle’s scholar, hath carried me too far.

(22) As for Julius Cæsar, the excellency of his learning needeth not to be argued from his education, or his company, or his speeches; but in a further degree doth declare itself in his writings and works: whereof some are extant and permanent, and some unfortunately perished. For first, we see there is left unto us that excellent history of his own wars, which he entitled only a Commentary, wherein all succeeding times have admired the solid weight of matter, and the real passages and lively images of actions and persons, expressed in the greatest propriety of words and perspicuity of narration that ever was; which that it was not the effect of a natural gift, but of learning and precept, is well witnessed by that work of his entitled De Analogia, being a grammatical philosophy, wherein he did labour to make this same Vox ad placitum to become Vox ad licitum, and to reduce custom of speech to congruity of speech; and took as it were the pictures of words from the life of reason.

(23) So we receive from him, as a monument both of his power and learning, the then reformed computation of the year; well expressing that he took it to be as great a glory to himself to observe and know the law of the heavens, as to give law to men upon the earth.

(24) So likewise in that book of his, Anti-Cato, it may easily appear that he did aspire as well to victory of wit as victory of war: undertaking therein a conflict against the greatest champion with the pen that then lived, Cicero the orator.

(25) So, again, in his book of Apophthegms, which he collected, we see that he es-teemed it more honour to make himself but a pair of tables, to take the wise and pithy words of others, than to have every word of his own to be made an apophthegm or an oracle, as vain princes, by custom of flattery, pretend to do. And yet if I should enumerate divers of his speeches, as I did those of Alexander, they are truly such as Solomon noteth, when he saith, Verba sapientum tanquam aculei, et tanquam clavi in altum defixi: whereof I will only recite three, not so delectable for elegancy, but ad-mirable for vigour and efficacy.

(26) As first, it is reason he be thought a master of words, that could with one word appease a mutiny in his army, which was thus: The Romans, when their generals did speak to their army, did use the word Milites, but when the magistrates spake to the people they did use the word Quirites. The soldiers were in tumult, and seditiously prayed to be cashiered; not that they so meant, but by expostulation thereof to draw Cæsar to other conditions; wherein he being resolute not to give way, after some si-lence, he began his speech, Ego Quirites, which did admit them already cashiered - wherewith they were so surprised, crossed, and confused, as they would not suffer him to go on in his speech, but relinquished their demands, and made it their suit to be again called by the name of Milites.

(27) The second speech was thus: Cæsar did extremely affect the name of king; and some were set on as he passed by in popular acclamation to salute him king. Whe-reupon, finding the cry weak and poor, he put it off thus, in a kind of jest, as if they had mistaken his surname: Non Rex sum, sed Cæsar; a speech that, if it be searched, the life and fulness of it can scarce be expressed. For, first, it was a refusal of the name, but yet not serious; again, it did signify an infinite confidence and magnanimity, as if he presumed Cæsar was the greater title, as by his worthiness it is come to pass till this day. But chiefly it was a speech of great allurement toward his own purpose, as if the state did strive with him but for a name, whereof mean families were vested; for Rex was a surname with the Romans, as well as King is with us.

(28) The last speech which I will mention was used to Metellus, when Cæsar, after war declared, did possess himself of this city of Rome; at which time, entering into the inner treasury to take the money there accumulate, Metellus, being tribune, forbade him. Whereto Cæsar said, “That if he did not desist, he would lay him dead in the place.” And presently taking himself up, he added, “Young man, it is harder for me to speak it than to do it - Adolescens, durius est mihi hoc dicere quàm facere.” A speech compounded of the greatest terror and greatest clemency that could proceed out of the mouth of man.

(29) But to return and conclude with him, it is evident himself knew well his own perfection in learning, and took it upon him, as appeared when upon occasion that some spake what a strange resolution it was in Lucius Sylla to resign his dictators, he, scoffing at him to his own advantage, answered, “That Sylla could not skill of letters, and therefore knew not how to dictate.”

(30) And here it were fit to leave this point, touching the concurrence of military virtue and learning (for what example should come with any grace after those two of Alexander and Cæsar?), were it not in regard of the rareness of circumstance, that I find in one other particular, as that which did so suddenly pass from extreme scorn to extreme wonder: and it is of Xenophon the philosopher, who went from Socrates’ school into Asia in the expedition of Cyrus the younger against King Artaxerxes. This Xenophon at that time was very young, and never had seen the wars before, neither had any command in the army, but only followed the war as a voluntary, for the love and conversation of Proxenus, his friend. He was present when Falinus came in message from the great king to the Grecians, after that Cyrus was slain in the field, and they, a handful of men, left to themselves in the midst of the king’s territories, cut off from their country by many navigable rivers and many hundred miles. The message imported that they should deliver up their arms and submit themselves to the king’s mercy. To which message, before answer was made, divers of the army conferred familiarly with Falinus; and amongst the rest Xenophon happened to say, “Why, Falinus, we have now but these two things left, our arms and our virtue; and if we yield up our arms, how shall we make use of our virtue?” Whereto Falinus, smiling on him, said, “If I be not deceived, young gentleman, you are an Athenian, and I believe you study philosophy, and it is pretty that you say; but you are much abused if you think your virtue can withstand the king’s power.” Here was the scorn; the wonder followed: which was that this young scholar or philosopher, after all the captains were murdered in parley by treason, conducted those ten thousand foot, through the heart of all the king’s high countries, from Babylon to Græcia in safety, in despite of all the king’s forces, to the astonishment of the world, and the encouragement of the Grecians in times succeeding to make invasion upon the kings of Persia, as was after purposed by Jason the Thessalian, attempted by Agesilaus the Spartan, and achieved by Alexander the Macedonian, all upon the ground of the act of that young scholar.

VIII. 

(1) To proceed now from imperial and military virtue to moral and private virtue; first, it is an assured truth, which is contained in the verses:-

“Scilicet ingenuas didicisse fideliter artes

Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros.”

It taketh away the wildness and barbarism and fierceness of men’s minds; but indeed the accent had need be upon fideliter; for a little superficial learning doth rather work a contrary effect. It taketh away all levity, temerity, and insolency, by copious suggestion of all doubts and difficulties, and acquainting the mind to balance reasons on both sides, and to turn back the first offers and conceits of the mind, and to accept of nothing but examined and tried. It taketh away vain admiration of anything, which is the root of all weakness. For all things are admired, either because they are new, or because they are great. For novelty, no man that wadeth in learning or contemplation thoroughly but will find that printed in his heart, Nil novi super terram. Neither can any man marvel at the play of puppets, that goeth behind the curtain, and adviseth well of the motion. And for magnitude, as Alexander the Great, after that he was used to great armies, and the great conquests of the spacious provinces in Asia, when he received letters out of Greece, of some fights and services there, which were commonly for a passage or a fort, or some walled town at the most, he said: - “It seemed to him that he was advertised of the battles of the frogs and the mice, that the old tales went of.” So certainly, if a man meditate much upon the universal frame of nature, the earth with men upon it (the divineness of souls except) will not seem much other than an ant-hill, whereas some ants carry corn, and some carry their young, and some go empty, and all to and fro a little heap of dust. It taketh away or mitigateth fear of death or adverse fortune, which is one of the greatest impediments of virtue and imperfections of manners. For if a man’s mind be deeply seasoned with the consideration of the mortality and corruptible nature of things, he will easily concur with Epictetus, who went forth one day and saw a woman weeping for her pitcher of earth that was broken, and went forth the next day and saw a woman weeping for her son that was dead, and thereupon said, “Heri vidi fragilem frangi, hodie vidi mortalem mori.” And, therefore, Virgil did excellently and profoundly couple the knowledge of causes and the conquest of all fears together, as concomitantia.

“Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas,

Quique metus omnes, et inexorabile fatum

Subjecit pedibus, strepitumque Acherontis avari.”

(2) It were too long to go over the particular remedies which learning doth minister to all the diseases of the mind: sometimes purging the ill humours, sometimes opening the obstructions, sometimes helping digestion, sometimes increasing appetite, sometimes healing the wounds and exulcerations thereof, and the like; and, therefore, I will conclude with that which hath rationem totius - which is, that it disposeth the constitution of the mind not to be fixed or settled in the defects thereof, but still to be capable and susceptible of growth and reformation. For the unlearned man knows not what it is to descend into himself, or to call himself to account, nor the pleasure of that suavissima vita, indies sentire se fieri meliorem. The good parts he hath he will learn to show to the full, and use them dexterously, but not much to increase them. The faults he hath he will learn how to hide and colour them, but not much to amend them; like an ill mower, that mows on still, and never whets his scythe. Whereas with the learned man it fares otherwise, that he doth ever intermix the correction and amendment of his mind with the use and employment thereof. Nay, further, in general and in sum, certain it is that Veritas and Bonitas differ but as the seal and the print; for truth prints goodness, and they be the clouds of error which descend in the storms of passions and perturbations.

(3) From moral virtue let us pass on to matter of power and commandment, and consider whether in right reason there be any comparable with that wherewith know-ledge investeth and crowneth man’s nature. We see the dignity of the commandment is according to the dignity of the commanded; to have commandment over beasts as herdmen have, is a thing contemptible; to have commandment over children as schoolmasters have, is a matter of small honour; to have commandment over galley-slaves is a disparagement rather than an honour. Neither is the commandment of ty-rants much better, over people which have put off the generosity of their minds; and, therefore, it was ever holden that honours in free monarchies and commonwealths had a sweetness more than in tyrannies, because the commandment extendeth more over the wills of men, and not only over their deeds and services. And therefore, when Virgil putteth himself forth to attribute to Augustus Cæsar the best of human honours, he doth it in these words:-

“Victorque volentes

Per populos dat jura, viamque affectat Olympo.”

But yet the commandment of knowledge is yet higher than the commandment over the will; for it is a commandment over the reason, belief, and understanding of man, which is the highest part of the mind, and giveth law to the will itself. For there is no power on earth which setteth up a throne or chair of estate in the spirits and souls of men, and in their cogitations, imaginations, opinions, and beliefs, but knowledge and learning. And therefore we see the detestable and extreme pleasure that arch-heretics, and false prophets, and impostors are transported with, when they once find in themselves that they have a superiority in the faith and conscience of men; so great as if they have once tasted of it, it is seldom seen that any torture or persecution can make them relinquish or abandon it. But as this is that which the author of the Revelation calleth the depth or profoundness of Satan, so by argument of contraries, the just and lawful sovereignty over men’s understanding, by force of truth rightly interpreted, is that which approacheth nearest to the similitude of the divine rule.

(4) As for fortune and advancement, the beneficence of learning is not so confined to give fortune only to states and commonwealths, as it doth not likewise give fortune to particular persons. For it was well noted long ago, that Homer hath given more men their livings, than either Sylla, or Cæsar, or Augustus ever did, notwithstanding their great largesses and donatives, and distributions of lands to so many legions. And no doubt it is hard to say whether arms or learning have advanced greater numbers. And in case of sovereignty we see, that if arms or descent have carried away the kingdom, yet learning hath carried the priesthood, which ever hath been in some competition with empire.

(5) Again, for the pleasure and delight of knowledge and learning, it far surpasseth all other in nature. For, shall the pleasures of the affections so exceed the pleasure of the sense, as much as the obtaining of desire or victory exceedeth a song or a dinner? and must not of consequence the pleasures of the intellect or understanding exceed the pleasures of the affections? We see in all other pleasures there is satiety, and after they be used, their verdure departeth, which showeth well they be but deceits of pleasure, and not pleasures; and that it was the novelty which pleased, and not the quality. And, therefore, we see that voluptuous men turn friars, and ambitions princes turn melancholy. But of knowledge there is no satiety, but satisfaction and appetite are perpetually interchangeable; and, therefore, appeareth to be good in itself simply, without fallacy or accident. Neither is that pleasure of small efficacy and contentment to the mind of man, which the poet Lucretius describeth elegantly:-

“Suave mari magno, turbantibus æquora ventis, &amp;c.”

“It is a view of delight,” saith he, “to stand or walk upon the shore side, and to see a ship tossed with tempest upon the sea; or to be in a fortified tower, and to see two battles join upon a plain. But it is a pleasure incomparable, for the mind of man to be settled, landed, and fortified in the certainty of truth; and from thence to descry and behold the errors, perturbations, labours, and wanderings up and down of other men.

(6) Lastly, leaving the vulgar arguments, that by learning man excelleth man in that wherein man excelleth beasts; that by learning man ascendeth to the heavens and their motions, where in body he cannot come; and the like: let us conclude with the dignity and excellency of knowledge and learning in that whereunto man’s nature doth most aspire, which is immortality, or continuance; for to this tendeth generation, and raising of houses and families; to this tend buildings, foundations, and monuments; to this tendeth the desire of memory, fame, and celebration; and in effect the strength of all other human desires. We see then how far the monuments of wit and learning are more durable than the monuments of power or of the hands. For have not the verses of Homer continued twenty-five hundred years, or more, without the loss of a syllable or letter; during which the infinite palaces, temples, castles, cities, have been decayed and demolished? It is not possible to have the true pictures or statues of Cyrus, Alexander, Cæsar, no nor of the kings or great personages of much later years; for the originals cannot last, and the copies cannot but leese of the life and truth. But the images of men’s wits and knowledges remain in books, exempted from the wrong of time and capable of perpetual renovation. Neither are they fitly to be called images, because they generate still, and cast their seeds in the minds of others, provoking and causing infinite actions and opinions in succeeding ages. So that if the invention of the ship was thought so noble, which carrieth riches and commodities from place to place, and consociateth the most remote regions in participation of their fruits, how much more are letters to be magnified, which as ships pass through the vast seas of time, and make ages so distant to participate of the wisdom, illuminations, and inventions, the one of the other? Nay, further, we see some of the philosophers which were least divine, and most immersed in the senses, and denied generally the immortality of the soul, yet came to this point, that whatsoever motions the spirit of man could act and perform without the organs of the body, they thought might remain after death, which were only those of the understanding and not of the affection; so immortal and incorruptible a thing did knowledge seem unto them to be. But we, that know by divine revelation that not only the understanding but the affections purified, not only the spirit but the body changed, shall be advanced to immortality, do disclaim in these rudiments of the senses. But it must be remembered, both in this last point, and so it may likewise be needful in other places, that in probation of the dignity of knowledge or learning, I did in the beginning separate divine testimony from human, which method I have pursued, and so handled them both apart.

(7) Nevertheless I do not pretend, and I know it will be impossible for me, by any pleading of mine, to reverse the judgment, either of Æsop’s cock, that preferred the barleycorn before the gem; or of Midas, that being chosen judge between Apollo, president of the Muses, and Pan, god of the flocks, judged for plenty; or of Paris, that judged for beauty and love against wisdom and power; or of Agrippina, occidat matrem, modo imperet, that preferred empire with any condition never so detestable; or of Ulysses, qui vetulam prætulit immortalitati, being a figure of those which prefer custom and habit before all excellency, or of a number of the like popular judgments. For these things must continue as they have been; but so will that also continue whereupon learning hath ever relied, and which faileth not: Justificata est sapientia a filiis suis.

===THE SECOND BOOK.===

TO THE KING.

1. It might seem to have more convenience, though it come often otherwise to pass (excellent King), that those which are fruitful in their generations, and have in them-selves the foresight of immortality in their descendants, should likewise be more careful of the good estate of future times, unto which they know they must transmit and commend over their dearest pledges. Queen Elizabeth was a sojourner in the world in respect of her unmarried life, and was a blessing to her own times; and yet so as the impression of her good government, besides her happy memory, is not without some effect which doth survive her. But to your Majesty, whom God hath already blessed with so much royal issue, worthy to continue and represent you for ever, and whose youthful and fruitful bed doth yet promise many the like renovations, it is proper and agreeable to be conversant not only in the transitory parts of good government, but in those acts also which are in their nature permanent and perpetual. Amongst the which (if affection do not transport me) there is not any more worthy than the further endowment of the world with sound and fruitful knowledge. For why should a few received authors stand up like Hercules’ columns, beyond which there should be no sailing or discovering, since we have so bright and benign a star as your Majesty to conduct and prosper us? To return therefore where we left, it remaineth to consider of what kind those acts are which have been undertaken and performed by kings and others for the increase and advancement of learning, wherein I purpose to speak actively, without digressing or dilating.

2. Let this ground therefore be laid, that all works are over common by amplitude of reward, by soundness of direction, and by the conjunction of labours. The first mul-tiplieth endeavour, the second preventeth error, and the third supplieth the frailty of man. But the principal of these is direction, for claudus in via antevertit cursorem extra viam; and Solomon excellently setteth it down, “If the iron be not sharp, it requireth more strength, but wisdom is that which prevaileth,” signifying that the invention or election of the mean is more effectual than any enforcement or accumulation of endeavours. This I am induced to speak, for that (not derogating from the noble intention of any that have been deservers towards the state of learning), I do observe nevertheless that their works and acts are rather matters of magnificence and memory than of progression and proficience, and tend rather to augment the mass of learning in the multitude of learned men than to rectify or raise the sciences themselves.

3. The works or acts of merit towards learning are conversant about three objects - the places of learning, the books of learning, and the persons of the learned. For as water, whether it be the dew of heaven or the springs of the earth, doth scatter and leese itself in the ground, except it be collected into some receptacle where it may by union comfort and sustain itself; and for that cause the industry of man hath made and framed springheads, conduits, cisterns, and pools, which men have accustomed likewise to beautify and adorn with accomplishments of magnificence and state, as well as of use and necessity; so this excellent liquor of knowledge, whether it descend from divine inspiration, or spring from human sense, would soon perish and vanish to oblivion, if it were not preserved in books, traditions, conferences, and places appointed, as universities, colleges, and schools, for the receipt and comforting of the same.

4. The works which concern the seats and places of learning are four - foundations and buildings, endowments with revenues, endowments with franchises and privileges, institutions and ordinances for government - all tending to quietness and privateness of life, and discharge of cares and troubles; much like the stations which Virgil prescribeth for the hiving of bees:

“Principio sedes apibus statioque petenda,

Quo neque sit ventis aditus, &amp;c.”

5. The works touching books are two - first, libraries, which are as the shrines where all the relics of the ancient saints, full of true virtue, and that without delusion or imposture, are preserved and reposed; secondly, new editions of authors, with more correct impressions, more faithful translations, more profitable glosses, more diligent annotations, and the like.

6. The works pertaining to the persons of learned men (besides the advancement and countenancing of them in general) are two - the reward and designation of readers in sciences already extant and invented; and the reward and designation of writers and inquirers concerning any parts of learning not sufficiently laboured and prosecuted.

7. These are summarily the works and acts wherein the merits of many excellent princes and other worthy personages, have been conversant. As for any particular commemorations, I call to mind what Cicero said when he gave general thanks, Difficile non aliquem, ingratum quenquam præterire. Let us rather, according to the Scriptures, look unto that part of the race which is before us, than look back to that which is already attained.

8. First, therefore, amongst so many great foundations of colleges in Europe, I find strange that they are all dedicated to professions, and none left free to arts and sciences at large. For if men judge that learning should be referred to action, they judge well; but in this they fall into the error described in the ancient fable, in which the other parts of the body did suppose the stomach had been idle, because it neither performed the office of motion, as the limbs do, nor of sense, as the head doth; but yet notwithstanding it is the stomach that digesteth and distributeth to all the rest. So if any man think philosophy and universality to be idle studies, he doth not consider that all professions are from thence served and supplied. And this I take to be a great cause that hath hindered the progression of learning, because these fundamental knowledges have been studied but in passage. For if you will have a tree bear more fruit than it hath used to do, it is not anything you can do to the boughs, but it is the stirring of the earth and putting new mould about thee roots that must work it. Neither is it to be forgotten, that this dedicating of foundations and dotations to professory learning hath not only had a malign aspect and influence upon the growth of sciences, but hath also been prejudicial to states, and governments. For hence it proceedeth that princes find a solitude in regard of able men to serve them in causes of estate, because there is no education collegiate which is free, where such as were so disposed might give themselves in histories, modern languages, books of policy and civil discourse, and other the like enablements unto service of estate.

9. And because founders of colleges do plant, and founders of lectures do water, it followeth well in order to speak of the defect which is in public lectures; namely, in the smallness, and meanness of the salary or reward which in most places is assigned unto them, whether they be lectures of arts, or of professions. For it is necessary to the progression of sciences that readers be of the most able and sufficient men; as those which are ordained for generating and propagating of sciences, and not for transitory use. This cannot be, except their condition and endowment be such as may content the ablest man to appropriate his whole labour and continue his whole age in that function and attendance; and therefore must have a proportion answerable to that mediocrity or competency of advancement, which may be expected from a profession or the practice of a profession. So as, if you will have sciences flourish, you must observe David’s military law, which was, “That those which stayed with the carriage should have equal part with those which were in the action;” else will the carriages be ill attended. So readers in sciences are indeed the guardians of the stores and provisions of sciences, whence men in active courses are furnished, and therefore ought to have equal entertainment with them; otherwise if the fathers in sciences be of the weakest sort or be ill maintained,

“Et patrum invalidi referent jejunia nati.”

10. Another defect I note, wherein I shall need some alchemist to help me, who call upon men to sell their books, and to build furnaces; quitting and forsaking Minerva and the Muses as barren virgins, and relying upon Vulcan. But certain it is, that unto the deep, fruitful, and operative study of many sciences, specialty natural philosophy and physic, books be not only the instrumentals; wherein also the beneficence of men hath not been altogether wanting. For we see spheres, globes, astrolabes, maps, and the like, have been provided as appurtenances to astronomy and cosmography, as well as books. We see likewise that some places instituted for physic have annexed the commodity of gardens for simples of all sorts, and do likewise command the use of dead bodies for anatomies. But these do respect but a few things. In general, there will hardly be any main proficience in the disclosing of nature, except there be some allowance for expenses about experiments; whether they be experiments appertaining to Vulcanus or Dædalus, furnace or engine, or any other kind. And therefore as se-cretaries and spials of princes and states bring in bills for intelligence, so you must al-low the spials and intelligencers of nature to bring in their bills; or else you shall be ill advertised.

11. And if Alexander made such a liberal assignation to Aristotle of treasure for the allowance of hunters, fowlers, fishers, and the like, that he might compile a history of nature, much better do they deserve it that travail in arts of nature.

12. Another defect which I note is an intermission or neglect in those which are gov-ernors in universities, of consultation, and in princes or superior persons, of visitation: to enter into account and consideration, whether the readings, exercises, and other customs appertaining unto learning, anciently begun and since continued, be well instituted or no; and thereupon to ground an amendment or reformation in that which shall be found inconvenient. For it is one of your Majesty’s own most wise and princely maxims, “That in all usages and precedents, the times be considered wherein they first began; which if they were weak or ignorant, it derogateth from the authority of the usage, and leaveth it for suspect.” And therefore inasmuch as most of the usages and orders of the universities were derived from more obscure times, it is the more requisite they be re-examined. In this kind I will give an instance or two, for example sake, of things that are the most obvious and familiar. The one is a matter, which though it be ancient and general, yet I hold to be an error; which is, that scholars in universities come too soon and too unripe to logic and rhetoric, arts fitter for graduates than children and novices. For these two, rightly taken, are the gravest of sciences, being the arts of arts; the one for judgment, the other for ornament. And they be the rules and directions how to set forth and dispose matter: and therefore for minds empty and unfraught with matter, and which have not gathered that which Cicero calleth sylva and supellex, stuff and variety, to begin with those arts (as if one should learn to weigh, or to measure, or to paint the wind) doth work but this effect, that the wisdom of those arts, which is great and universal, is almost made contemptible, and is degenerate into childish sophistry and ridiculous affectation. And further, the untimely learning of them hath drawn on by consequence the superficial and unprofitable teaching and writing of them, as fitteth indeed to the capacity of children. Another is a lack I find in the exercises used in the universities, which do snake too great a divorce between invention and memory. For their speeches are either premeditate, in verbis conceptis, where nothing is left to invention, or merely extemporal, where little is left to memory. Whereas in life and action there is least use of either of these, but rather of intermixtures of premeditation and invention, notes and memory. So as the exercise fitteth not the practice, nor the image the life; and it is ever a true rule in exercises, that they be framed as near as may be to the life of practice; for otherwise they do pervert the motions and faculties of the mind, and not prepare them. The truth whereof is not obscure, when scholars come to the practices of professions, or other actions of civil life; which when they set into, this want is soon found by themselves, and sooner by others. But this part, touching the amendment of the institutions and orders of universities, I will conclude with the clause of Cæsar’s letter to Oppius and Balbes, Hoc quemadmodum fieri possit, nonnulla mihi in mentem veniunt, et multa reperiri possunt: de iis rebus rgo vos ut cogitationem suscipiatis.

13. Another defect which I note ascendeth a little higher than the precedent. For as the proficience of learning consisteth much in the orders and institutions of universities in the same states and kingdoms, so it would be yet more advanced, if there were more intelligence mutual between the universities of Europe than now there is. We see there be many orders and foundations, which though they be divided under several sovereignties and territories, yet they take themselves to have a kind of contract, fraternity, and correspondence one with the other, insomuch as they have provincials and generals. And surely as nature createth brotherhood in families, and arts mechanical contract brotherhoods in communalties, and the anointment of God superinduceth a brotherhood in kings and bishops, so in like manner there cannot but be a fraternity in learning and illumination, relating to that paternity which is attributed to God, who is called the Father of illuminations or lights.

14. The last defect which I will note is, that there hath not been, or very rarely been, any public designation of writers or inquirers concerning such parts of knowledge as may appear not to have been already sufficiently laboured or undertaken; unto which point it is an inducement to enter into a view and examination what parts of learning have been prosecuted, and what omitted. For the opinion of plenty is amongst the causes of want, and the great quantity of books maketh a show rather of superfluity than lack; which surcharge nevertheless is not to be remedied by making no more books, but by making more good books, which, as the serpent of Moses, might devour the serpents of the enchanters.

15. The removing of all the defects formerly enumerate, except the last, and of the active part also of the last (which is the designation of writers), are opera basilica; towards which the endeavours of a private man may be but as an image in a crossway, that may point at the way, but cannot go it. But the inducing part of the latter (which is the survey of learning) may be set forward by private travail. Wherefore I will now attempt to make a general and faithful perambulation of learning, with an inquiry what parts thereof lie fresh and waste, and not improved and converted by the industry of man, to the end that such a plot made and recorded to memory may both minister light to any public designation, and, also serve to excite voluntary endeavours. Wherein, nevertheless, my purpose is at this time to note only omissions and deficiences, and not to make any redargution of errors or incomplete prosecutions. For it is one thing to set forth what ground lieth unmanured, and another thing to correct ill husbandry in that which is manured.

In the handling and undertaking of which work I am not ignorant what it is that I do now move and attempt, nor insensible of mine own weakness to sustain my purpose. But my hope is, that if my extreme love to learning carry me too far, I may obtain the excuse of affection; for that “It is not granted to man to love and to be wise.” But I know well I can use no other liberty of judgment than I must leave to others; and I for my part shall be indifferently glad either to perform myself, or accept from another, that duty of humanity - Nam qui erranti comiter monstrat viam, &amp;c. I do foresee likewise that of those things which I shall enter and register as deficiences and omissions, many will conceive and censure that some of them are already done and extant; others to be but curiosities, and things of no great use; and others to be of too great difficulty, and almost impossibility to be compassed and effected. But for the two first, I refer myself to the particulars. For the last, touching impossibility, I take it those things are to be held possible which may be done by some person, though not by every one; and which may be done by many, though not by any one; and which may be done in the succession of ages, though not within the hourglass of one man’s life; and which may be done by public designation, though not by private endeavour. But, notwithstanding, if any man will take to himself rather that of Solomon, “Dicit piger, Leo est in via,” than that of Virgil, “Possunt quia posse videntur,” I shall be content that my labours be esteemed but as the better sort of wishes; for as it asketh some knowledge to demand a question not impertinent, so it requireth some sense to make a wish not absurd.

I. 

(1) The parts of human learning have reference to the three parts of man’s under-standing, which is the seat of learning: history to his memory, poesy to his imagina-tion, and philosophy to his reason. Divine learning receiveth the same distribution; for, the spirit of man is the same, though the revelation of oracle and sense be diverse. So as theology consisteth also of history of the Church; of parables, which is divine poesy; and of holy doctrine or precept. For as for that part which seemeth su-pernumerary, which is prophecy, it is but divine history, which hath that prerogative over human, as the narration may be before the fact as well as after.

(2) History is natural, civil, ecclesiastical, and literary; whereof the first three I allow as extant, the fourth I note as deficient. For no man hath propounded to himself the general state of learning to be described and represented from age to age, as many have done the works of Nature, and the state, civil and ecclesiastical; without which the history of the world seemeth to me to be as the statue of Polyphemus with his eye out, that part being wanting which doth most show the spirit and life of the person. And yet I am not ignorant that in divers particular sciences, as of the jurisconsults, the mathematicians, the rhetoricians, the philosophers, there are set down some small memorials of the schools, authors, and books; and so likewise some barren relations touching the invention of arts or usages. But a just story of learning, containing the antiquities and originals of knowledges and their sects, their inventions, their traditions, their diverse administrations and managings, their flourishings, their oppo-sitions, decays, depressions, oblivions, removes, with the causes and occasions of them, and all other events concerning learning, throughout the ages of the world, I may truly affirm to be wanting; the use and end of which work I do not so much de-sign for curiosity or satisfaction of those that are the lovers of learning, but chiefly for a more serious and grave purpose, which is this in few words, that it will make learned men wise in the use and administration of learning. For it is not Saint Augustine’s nor Saint Ambrose’s works that will make so wise a divine as ecclesiastical history thoroughly read and observed, and the same reason is of learning.

(3) History of Nature is of three sorts; of Nature in course, of Nature erring or va-rying, and of Nature altered or wrought; that is, history of creatures, history of mar-vels, and history of arts. The first of these no doubt is extant, and that in good per-fection; the two latter are bandied so weakly and unprofitably as I am moved to note them as deficient. For I find no sufficient or competent collection of the works of Nature which have a digression and deflexion from the ordinary course of generations, productions, and motions; whether they be singularities of place and region, or the strange events of time and chance, or the effects of yet unknown properties, or the instances of exception to general kinds. It is true I find a number of books of fabulous experiments and secrets, and frivolous impostures for pleasure and strange-ness; but a substantial and severe collection of the heteroclites or irregulars of Nature, well examined and described, I find not, specially not with due rejection of fables and popular errors. For as things now are, if an untruth in Nature be once on foot, what by reason of the neglect of examination, and countenance of antiquity, and what by reason of the use of the opinion in similitudes and ornaments of speech, it is never called down.

(4) The use of this work, honoured with a precedent in Aristotle, is nothing less than to give contentment to the appetite of curious and vain wits, as the manner of Mira-bilaries is to do; but for two reasons, both of great weight: the one to correct the partiality of axioms and opinions, which are commonly framed only upon common and familiar examples; the other because from the wonders of Nature is the nearest intelligence and passage towards the wonders of art, for it is no more but by following and, as it were, hounding Nature in her wanderings, to be able to lead her afterwards to the same place again. Neither am I of opinion, in this history of marvels, that superstitious narrations of sorceries, witchcrafts, dreams, divinations, and the like, where there is an assurance and clear evidence of the fact, be altogether excluded. For it is not yet known in what cases and how far effects attributed to superstition do participate of natural causes; and, therefore, howsoever the practice of such things is to be condemned, yet from the speculation and consideration of them light may be taken, not only for the discerning of the offences, but for the further disclosing of Nature. Neither ought a man to make scruple of entering into these things for inquisition of truth, as your Majesty hath showed in your own example, who, with the two clear eyes of religion and natural philosophy, have looked deeply and wisely into these shadows, and yet proved yourself to be of the nature of the sun, which passeth through pollutions and itself remains as pure as before. But this I hold fit, that these narrations, which have mixture with superstition, be sorted by themselves, and not to be mingled with the narrations which are merely and sincerely natural. But as for the narrations touching the prodigies and miracles of religions, they are either not true or not natural; and, therefore, impertinent for the story of Nature.

(5) For history of Nature, wrought or mechanical, I find some collections made of agriculture, and likewise of manual arts; but commonly with a rejection of experiments familiar and vulgar; for it is esteemed a kind of dishonour unto learning to descend to inquiry or meditation upon matters mechanical, except they be such as may be thought secrets, rarities, and special subtleties; which humour of vain and supercilious arrogancy is justly derided in Plato, where he brings in Hippias, a vaunting sophist, disputing with Socrates, a true and unfeigned inquisitor of truth; where, the subject being touching beauty, Socrates, after his wandering manner of inductions, put first an example of a fair virgin, and then of a fair horse, and then of a fair pot well glazed, whereat Hippias was offended, and said, “More than for courtesy’s sake, he did think much to dispute with any that did allege such base and sordid instances.” Whereunto Socrates answereth, “You have reason, and it becomes you well, being a man so trim in your vestments,” &amp;c., and so goeth on in an irony. But the truth is, they be not the highest instances that give the securest information, as may be well expressed in the tale so common of the philosopher that, while he gazed upwards to the stars, fell into the water; for if he had looked down he might have seen the stars in the water, but looking aloft he could not see the water in the stars. So it cometh often to pass that mean and small things discover great, better than great can discover the small; and therefore Aristotle noteth well, “That the nature of everything is best seen in his smallest portions.” And for that cause he inquireth the nature of a commonwealth, first in a family, and the simple conjugations of man and wife, parent and child, master and servant, which are in every cottage. Even so likewise the nature of this great city of the world, and the policy thereof, must be first sought in mean concordances and small portions. So we see how that secret of Nature, of the turning of iron touched with the loadstone towards the north, was found out in needles of iron, not in bars of iron.

(6) But if my judgment be of any weight, the use of history mechanical is of all others the most radical and fundamental towards natural philosophy; such natural philosophy as shall not vanish in the fume of subtle, sublime, or delectable speculation, but such as shall be operative to the endowment and benefit of man’s life. For it will not only minister and suggest for the present many ingenious practices in all trades, by a connection and transferring of the observations of one art to the use of another, when the experiences of several mysteries shall fall under the consideration of one man’s mind; but further, it will give a more true and real illumination concerning causes and axioms than is hitherto attained. For like as a man’s disposition is never well known till he be crossed, nor Proteus ever changed shapes till he was straitened and held fast; so the passages and variations of nature cannot appear so fully in the liberty of nature as in the trials and vexations of art.

II. 

(1) For civil history, it is of three kinds; not unfitly to be compared with the three kinds of pictures or images. For of pictures or images we see some are unfinished, some are perfect, and some are defaced. So of histories we may find three kinds: memorials, perfect histories, and antiquities; for memorials are history unfinished, or the first or rough drafts of history; and antiquities are history defaced, or some remnants of history which have casually escaped the shipwreck of time.

(2) Memorials, or preparatory history, are of two sorts; whereof the one may be termed commentaries, and the other registers. Commentaries are they which set down a continuance of the naked events and actions, without the motives or designs, the counsels, the speeches, the pretexts, the occasions, and other passages of action. For this is the true nature of a commentary (though Cæsar, in modesty mixed with greatness, did for his pleasure apply the name of a commentary to the best history of the world). Registers are collections of public acts, as decrees of council, judicial proceedings, declarations and letters of estate, orations, and the like, without a perfect continuance or contexture of the thread of the narration.

(3) Antiquities, or remnants of history, are, as was said, tanquam tabula naufragii: when industrious persons, by an exact and scrupulous diligence and observation, out of monuments, names, words, proverbs, traditions, private records and evidences, fragments of stories, passages of books that concern not story, and the like, do save and recover somewhat from the deluge of time.

(4) In these kinds of unperfect histories I do assign no deficience, for they are tanquam imperfecte mista; and therefore any deficience in them is but their nature. As for the corruptions and moths of history, which are epitomes, the use of them deserveth to be banished, as all men of sound judgment have confessed, as those that have fretted and corroded the sound bodies of many excellent histories, and wrought them into base and unprofitable dregs.

(5) History, which may be called just and perfect history, is of three kinds, according to the object which it propoundeth, or pretendeth to represent: for it either representeth a time, or a person, or an action. The first we call chronicles, the second lives, and the third narrations or relations. Of these, although the first be the most complete and absolute kind of history, and hath most estimation and glory, yet the second excelleth it in profit and use, and the third in verity and sincerity. For history of times representeth the magnitude of actions, and the public faces and deportments of persons, and passeth over in silence the smaller passages and motions of men and matters. But such being the workmanship of God, as He doth hang the greatest weight upon the smallest wires, maxima è minimis, suspendens, it comes therefore to pass, that such histories do rather set forth the pomp of business than the true and inward resorts thereof. But lives, if they be well written, propounding to themselves a person to represent, in whom actions, both greater and smaller, public and private, have a commixture, must of necessity contain a more true, native, and lively representation. So again narrations and relations of actions, as the war of Peloponnesus, the expedition of Cyrus Minor, the conspiracy of Catiline, cannot but be more purely and exactly true than histories of times, because they may choose an argument comprehensible within the notice and instructions of the writer: whereas he that undertaketh the story of a time, specially of any length, cannot but meet with many blanks and spaces, which he must be forced to fill up out of his own wit and conjecture.

(6) For the history of times, I mean of civil history, the providence of God hath made the distribution. For it hath pleased God to ordain and illustrate two exemplar states of the world for arms, learning, moral virtue, policy, and laws; the state of Græcia and the state of Rome; the histories whereof occupying the middle part of time, have more ancient to them histories which may by one common name be termed the antiquities of the world; and after them, histories which may be likewise called by the name of modern history.

(7) Now to speak of the deficiences. As to the heathen antiquities of the world it is in vain to note them for deficient. Deficient they are no doubt, consisting most of fables and fragments; but the deficience cannot be holpen; for antiquity is like fame, caput inter nubila condit, her head is muffled from our sight. For the history of the exemplar states, it is extant in good perfection. Not but I could wish there were a perfect course of history for Græcia, from Theseus to Philopœmen (what time the affairs of Græcia drowned and extinguished in the affairs of Rome), and for Rome from Romulus to Justinianus, who may be truly said to be ultimus Romanorum. In which sequences of story the text of Thucydides and Xenophon in the one, and the texts of Livius, Polybius, Sallustius, Cæsar, Appianus, Tacitus, Herodianus in the other, to be kept entire, without any diminution at all, and only to be supplied and continued. But this is a matter of magnificence, rather to be commended than required; and we speak now of parts of learning supplemental, and not of supererogation.

(8) But for modern histories, whereof there are some few very worthy, but the greater part beneath mediocrity, leaving the care of foreign stories to foreign states, because I will not be curiosus in aliena republica, I cannot fail to represent to your Majesty the unworthiness of the history of England in the main continuance thereof, and the partiality and obliquity of that of Scotland in the latest and largest author that I have seen: supposing that it would be honour for your Majesty, and a work very memorable, if this island of Great Britain, as it is now joined in monarchy for the ages to come, so were joined in one history for the times passed, after the manner of the sacred history, which draweth down the story of the ten tribes and of the two tribes as twins together. And if it shall seem that the greatness of this work may make it less exactly performed, there is an excellent period of a much smaller compass of time, as to the story of England; that is to say, from the uniting of the Roses to the uniting of the kingdoms; a portion of time wherein, to my understanding, there hath been the rarest varieties that in like number of successions of any hereditary monarchy hath been known. For it beginneth with the mixed adoption of a crown by arms and title; an entry by battle, an establishment by marriage; and therefore times answerable, like waters after a tempest, full of working and swelling, though without extremity of storm; but well passed through by the wisdom of the pilot, being one of the most sufficient kings of all the number. Then followeth the reign of a king, whose actions, howsoever conducted, had much intermixture with the affairs of Europe, balancing and inclining them variably; in whose time also began that great alteration in the state ecclesiastical, an action which seldom cometh upon the stage. Then the reign of a minor; then an offer of a usurpation (though it was but as febris ephemera). Then the reign of a queen matched with a foreigner; then of a queen that lived solitary and unmarried, and yet her government so masculine, as it had greater impression and operation upon the states abroad than it any ways received from thence. And now last, this most happy and glorious event, that this island of Britain, divided from all the world, should be united in itself, and that oracle of rest given to ÆNeas, antiquam exquirite matrem, should now be performed and fulfilled upon the nations of England and Scotland, being now reunited in the ancient mother name of Britain, as a full period of all instability and peregrinations. So that as it cometh to pass in massive bodies, that they have certain trepidations and waverings before they fix and settle, so it seemeth that by the providence of God this monarchy, before it was to settle in your majesty and your generations (in which I hope it is now established for ever), it had these prelusive changes and varieties.

(9) For lives, I do find strange that these times have so little esteemed the virtues of the times, as that the writings of lives should be no more frequent. For although there be not many sovereign princes or absolute commanders, and that states are most collected into monarchies, yet are there many worthy personages that deserve better than dispersed report or barren eulogies. For herein the invention of one of the late poets is proper, and doth well enrich the ancient fiction. For he feigneth that at the end of the thread or web of every man’s life there was a little medal containing the person’s name, and that Time waited upon the shears, and as soon as the thread was cut caught the medals, and carried them to the river of Lathe; and about the bank there were many birds flying up and down, that would get the medals and carry them in their beak a little while, and then let them fall into the river. Only there were a few swans, which if they got a name would carry it to a temple where it was consecrate. And although many men, more mortal in their affections than in their bodies, do esteem desire of name and memory but as a vanity and ventosity,

“Animi nil magnæ laudis egentes;”

which opinion cometh from that root, Non prius laudes contempsimus, quam lau-danda facere desivimus: yet that will not alter Solomon’s judgment, Memoria justi cum laudibus, at impiorum nomen putrescet: the one flourisheth, the other either consumeth to present oblivion, or turneth to an ill odour. And therefore in that style or addition, which is and hath been long well received and brought in use, felicis memoriæ, piæ memoriæ, bonæ memoriæ, we do acknowledge that which Cicero saith, borrowing it from Demosthenes, that bona fama propria possessio defunctorum; which possession I cannot but note that in our times it lieth much waste, and that therein there is a deficience.

(10) For narrations and relations of particular actions, there were also to be wished a greater diligence therein; for there is no great action but hath some good pen which attends it. And because it is an ability not common to write a good history, as may well appear by the small number of them; yet if particularity of actions memorable were but tolerably reported as they pass, the compiling of a complete history of times might be the better expected, when a writer should arise that were fit for it: for the collection of such relations might be as a nursery garden, whereby to plant a fair and stately garden when time should serve.

(11) There is yet another partition of history which Cornelius Tacitus maketh, which is not to be forgotten, specially with that application which he accoupleth it withal, annals and journals: appropriating to the former matters of estate, and to the latter acts and accidents of a meaner nature. For giving but a touch of certain magnificent buildings, he addeth, Cum ex dignitate populi Romani repertum sit, res illustres annalibus, talia diurnis urbis actis mandare. So as there is a kind of contemplative heraldry, as well as civil. And as nothing doth derogate from the dignity of a state more than confusion of degrees, so it doth not a little imbase the authority of a history to intermingle matters of triumph, or matters of ceremony, or matters of novelty, with matters of state. But the use of a journal hath not only been in the history of time, but likewise in the history of persons, and chiefly of actions; for princes in ancient time had, upon point of honour and policy both, journals kept, what passed day by day. For we see the chronicle which was read before Ahasuerus, when he could not take rest, contained matter of affairs, indeed, but such as had passed in his own time and very lately before. But the journal of Alexander’s house expressed every small particularity, even concerning his person and court; and it is yet a use well received in enterprises memorable, as expeditions of war, navigations, and the like, to keep diaries of that which passeth continually.

(12) I cannot likewise be ignorant of a form of writing which some grave and wise men have used, containing a scattered history of those actions which they have thought worthy of memory, with politic discourse and observation thereupon: not incorporate into the history, but separately, and as the more principal in their intention; which kind of ruminated history I think more fit to place amongst books of policy, whereof we shall hereafter speak, than amongst books of history. For it is the true office of history to represent the events themselves together with the counsels, and to leave the observations and conclusions thereupon to the liberty and faculty of every man’s judgment. But mixtures are things irregular, whereof no man can define.

(13) So also is there another kind of history manifoldly mixed, and that is history of cosmography: being compounded of natural history, in respect of the regions them-selves; of history civil, in respect of the habitations, regiments, and manners of the people; and the mathematics, in respect of the climates and configurations towards the heavens: which part of learning of all others in this latter time hath obtained most proficience. For it may be truly affirmed to the honour of these times, and in a virtuous emulation with antiquity, that this great building of the world had never through-lights made in it, till the age of us and our fathers. For although they had knowledge of the antipodes,

“Nosque ubi primus equis Oriens afflavit anhelis,

Illic sera rubens accendit lumina Vesper,”

yet that might be by demonstration, and not in fact; and if by travel, it requireth the voyage but of half the globe. But to circle the earth, as the heavenly bodies do, was not done nor enterprised till these later times: and therefore these times may justly bear in their word, not only plus ultra, in precedence of the ancient non ultra, and imitabile fulmen, in precedence of the ancient non imitabile fulmen,

“Demens qui nimbos et non imitabile fulmen,” &amp;c.

but likewise imitabile cælum; in respect of the many memorable voyages after the manner of heaven about the globe of the earth.

(14) And this proficience in navigation and discoveries may plant also an expectation of the further proficience and augmentation of all sciences; because it may seem they are ordained by God to be coevals, that is, to meet in one age. For so the prophet Daniel speaking of the latter times foretelleth, Plurimi pertransibunt, et multiplex erit scientia: as if the openness and through-passage of the world and the increase of knowledge were appointed to be in the same ages; as we see it is already performed in great part: the learning of these later times not much giving place to the former two periods or returns of learning, the one of the Grecians, the other of the Romans.

III. 

(1) History ecclesiastical receiveth the same divisions with history civil: but further in the propriety thereof may be divided into the history of the Church, by a general name; history of prophecy; and history of providence. The first describeth the times of the militant Church, whether it be fluctuant, as the ark of Noah, or movable, as the ark in the wilderness, or at rest, as the ark in the Temple: that is, the state of the Church in persecution, in remove, and in peace. This part I ought in no sort to note as deficient; only I would that the virtue and sincerity of it were according to the mass and quantity. But I am not now in hand with censures, but with omissions.

(2) The second, which is history of prophecy, consisteth of two relatives - the prophecy and the accomplishment; and, therefore, the nature of such a work ought to be, that every prophecy of the Scripture be sorted with the event fulfilling the same throughout the ages of the world, both for the better confirmation of faith and for the better illumination of the Church touching those parts of prophecies which are yet unfulfilled: allowing, nevertheless, that latitude which is agreeable and familiar unto divine prophecies, being of the nature of their Author, with whom a thousand years are but as one day, and therefore are not fulfilled punctually at once, but have springing and germinant accomplishment throughout many ages, though the height or fulness of them may refer to some one age. This is a work which I find deficient, but is to be done with wisdom, sobriety, and reverence, or not at all.

(3) The third, which is history of Providence, containeth that excellent correspondence which is between God’s revealed will and His secret will; which though it be so obscure, as for the most part it is not legible to the natural man - no, nor many times to those that behold it from the tabernacle - yet, at some times it pleaseth God, for our better establishment and the confuting of those which are as without God in the world, to write it in such text and capital letters, that, as the prophet saith, “He that runneth by may read it” - that is, mere sensual persons, which hasten by God’s judgments, and never bend or fix their cogitations upon them, are nevertheless in their passage and race urged to discern it. Such are the notable events and examples of God’s judgments, chastisements, deliverances, and blessings; and this is a work which has passed through the labour of many, and therefore I cannot present as omitted.

(4) There are also other parts of learning which are appendices to history. For all the exterior proceedings of man consist of words and deeds, whereof history doth properly receive and retain in memory the deeds; and if words, yet but as inducements and passages to deeds; so are there other books and writings which are appropriate to the custody and receipt of words only, which likewise are of three sorts - orations, letters, and brief speeches or sayings. Orations are pleadings, speeches of counsel, laudatives, invectives, apologies, reprehensions, orations of formality or ceremony, and the like. Letters are according to all the variety of occasions, advertisements, advises, directions, propositions, petitions, commendatory, expostulatory, satisfactory, of compliment, of pleasure, of discourse, and all other passages of action. And such as are written from wise men, are of all the words of man, in my judgment, the best; for they are more natural than orations and public speeches, and more advised than conferences or present speeches. So again letters of affairs from such as manage them, or are privy to them, are of all others the best instructions for history, and to a diligent reader the best histories in themselves. For apophthegms, it is a great loss of that book of Cæsar’s; for as his history, and those few letters of his which we have, and those apophthegms which were of his own, excel all men’s else, so I suppose would his collection of apophthegms have done; for as for those which are collected by others, either I have no taste in such matters or else their choice hath not been happy. But upon these three kinds of writings I do not insist, because I have no deficiences to propound concerning them.

(5) Thus much therefore concerning history, which is that part of learning which answereth to one of the cells, domiciles, or offices of the mind of man, which is that of the memory.

IV. 

(1) Poesy is a part of learning in measure of words, for the most part restrained, but in all other points extremely licensed, and doth truly refer to the imagination; which, being not tied to the laws of matter, may at pleasure join that which nature hath severed, and sever that which nature hath joined, and so make unlawful matches and divorces of things - Pictoribus atque poetis, &amp;c. It is taken in two senses in respect of words or matter. In the first sense, it is but a character of style, and belongeth to arts of speech, and is not pertinent for the present. In the latter, it is - as hath been said - one of the principal portions of learning, and is nothing else but feigned history, which may be styled as well in prose as in verse.

(2) The use of this feigned history hath been to give some shadow of satisfaction to the mind of man in those points wherein the nature of things doth deny it, the world being in proportion inferior to the soul; by reason whereof there is, agreeable to the spirit of man, a more ample greatness, a more exact goodness, and a more absolute variety, than can be found in the nature of things. Therefore, because the acts or events of true history have not that magnitude which satisfieth the mind of man, poesy feigneth acts and events greater and more heroical. Because true history propoundeth the successes and issues of actions not so agreeable to the merits of virtue and vice, therefore poesy feigns them more just in retribution, and more according to revealed Providence. Because true history representeth actions and events more ordinary and less interchanged, therefore poesy endueth them with more rareness and more unexpected and alternative variations. So as it appeareth that poesy serveth and conferreth to magnanimity, morality and to delectation. And therefore, it was ever thought to have some participation of divineness, because it doth raise and erect the mind, by submitting the shows of things to the desires of the mind; whereas reason doth buckle and bow the mind unto the nature of things. And we see that by these insinuations and congruities with man’s nature and pleasure, joined also with the agreement and consort it hath with music, it hath had access and estimation in rude times and barbarous regions, where other learning stood excluded.

(3) The division of poesy which is aptest in the propriety thereof (besides those divi-sions which are common unto it with history, as feigned chronicles, feigned lives, and the appendices of history, as feigned epistles, feigned orations, and the rest) is into poesy narrative, representative, and allusive. The narrative is a mere imitation of history, with the excesses before remembered, choosing for subjects commonly wars and love, rarely state, and sometimes pleasure or mirth. Representative is as a visible history, and is an image of actions as if they were present, as history is of actions in nature as they are (that is) past. Allusive, or parabolical, is a narration applied only to express some special purpose or conceit; which latter kind of parabolical wisdom was much more in use in the ancient times, as by the fables of Æsop, and the brief sentences of the seven, and the use of hieroglyphics may appear. And the cause was (for that it was then of necessity to express any point of reason which was more sharp or subtle than the vulgar in that manner) because men in those times wanted both variety of examples and subtlety of conceit. And as hieroglyphics were before letters, so parables were before arguments; and nevertheless now and at all times they do retain much life and rigour, because reason cannot be so sensible nor examples so fit.

(4) But there remaineth yet another use of poesy parabolical, opposite to that which we last mentioned; for that tendeth to demonstrate and illustrate that which is taught or delivered, and this other to retire and obscure it - that is, when the secrets and mysteries of religion, policy, or philosophy, are involved in fables or parables. Of this in divine poesy we see the use is authorised. In heathen poesy we see the exposition of fables doth fall out sometimes with great felicity: as in the fable that the giants being overthrown in their war against the gods, the earth their mother in revenge thereof brought forth Fame:

“Illam terra parens, ira irritat Deorum,

Extremam, ut perhibent, Cœo Enceladoque soroem,

Progenuit.”

Expounded that when princes and monarchs have suppressed actual and open rebels, then the malignity of people (which is the mother of rebellion) doth bring forth libels and slanders, and taxations of the states, which is of the same kind with rebellion but more feminine. So in the fable that the rest of the gods having conspired to bind Jupiter, Pallas called Briareus with his hundred hands to his aid: expounded that monarchies need not fear any curbing of their absoluteness by mighty subjects, as long as by wisdom they keep the hearts of the people, who will be sure to come in on their side. So in the fable that Achilles was brought up under Chiron, the centaur, who was part a man and part a beast, expounded ingeniously but corruptly by Machiavel, that it belongeth to the education and discipline of princes to know as well how to play the part of a lion in violence, and the fox in guile, as of the man in virtue and justice. Nevertheless, in many the like encounters, I do rather think that the fable was first, and the exposition devised, than that the moral was first, and thereupon the fable framed; for I find it was an ancient vanity in Chrysippus, that troubled himself with great contention to fasten the assertions of the Stoics upon the fictions of the ancient poets; but yet that all the fables and fictions of the poets were but pleasure and not figure, I interpose no opinion. Surely of these poets which are now extant, even Homer himself (notwithstanding he was made a kind of scripture by the later schools of the Grecians), yet I should without any difficulty pronounce that his fables had no such inwardness in his own meaning. But what they might have upon a more original tradition is not easy to affirm, for he was not the inventor of many of them.

(5) In this third part of learning, which is poesy, I can report no deficience; for being as a plant that cometh of the lust of the earth, without a formal seed, it hath sprung up and spread abroad more than any other kind. But to ascribe unto it that which is due, for the expressing of affections, passions, corruptions, and customs, we are beholding to poets more than to the philosophers’ works; and for wit and eloquence, not much less than to orators’ harangues. But it is not good to stay too long in the theatre. Let us now pass on to the judicial place or palace of the mind, which we are to approach and view with more reverence and attention.

V. 

(1) The knowledge of man is as the waters, some descending from above, and some springing from beneath: the one informed by the light of nature, the other inspired by divine revelation. The light of nature consisteth in the notions of the mind and the reports of the senses; for as for knowledge which man receiveth by teaching, it is cumulative and not original, as in a water that besides his own spring-head is fed with other springs and streams. So then, according to these two differing illuminations or originals, knowledge is first of all divided into divinity and philosophy.

(2) In philosophy the contemplations of man do either penetrate unto God, or are circumferred to nature, or are reflected or reverted upon himself. Out of which several inquiries there do arise three knowledges - divine philosophy, natural philosophy, and human philosophy or humanity. For all things are marked and stamped with this triple character - the power of God, the difference of nature and the use of man. But because the distributions and partitions of knowledge are not like several lines that meet in one angle, and so touch but in a point, but are like branches of a tree that meet in a stem, which hath a dimension and quantity of entireness and continuance before it come to discontinue and break itself into arms and boughs; therefore it is good, before we enter into the former distribution, to erect and constitute one universal science, by the name of philosophia prima, primitive or summary philosophy, as the main and common way, before we come where the ways part and divide themselves; which science whether I should report as deficient or no, I stand doubtful. For I find a certain rhapsody of natural theology, and of divers parts of logic; and of that part of natural philosophy which concerneth the principles, and of that other part of natural philosophy which concerneth the soul or spirit - all these strangely commixed and confused; but being examined, it seemeth to me rather a depredation of other sciences, advanced and exalted unto some height of terms, than anything solid or substantive of itself. Nevertheless I cannot be ignorant of the distinction which is current, that the same things are handled but in several respects. As for example, that logic considereth of many things as they are in notion, and this philosophy as they are in nature - the one in appearance, the other in existence; but I find this difference better made than pursued. For if they had considered quantity, similitude, diversity, and the rest of those extern characters of things, as philosophers, and in nature, their inquiries must of force have been of a far other kind than they are. For doth any of them, in handling quantity, speak of the force of union, how and how far it multiplieth virtue? Doth any give the reason why some things in nature are so common, and in so great mass, and others so rare, and in so small quantity? Doth any, in handling similitude and diversity, assign the cause why iron should not move to iron, which is more like, but move to the loadstone, which is less like? Why in all diversities of things there should be certain participles in nature which are almost ambiguous to which kind they should be referred? But there is a mere and deep silence touching the nature and operation of those common adjuncts of things, as in nature; and only a resuming and repeating of the force and use of them in speech or argument. Therefore, because in a writing of this nature I avoid all subtlety, my meaning touching this original or universal philosophy is thus, in a plain and gross description by negative: “That it be a receptacle for all such profitable observations and axioms as fall not within the compass of any of the special parts of philosophy or sciences, but are more common and of a higher stage.”

(3) Now that there are many of that kind need not be doubted. For example: Is not the rule, Si inœqualibus æqualia addas, omnia erunt inæqualia, an axiom as well of justice as of the mathematics? and is there not a true coincidence between commutative and distributive justice, and arithmetical and geometrical proportion? Is not that other rule, Quæ in eodem tertio conveniunt, et inter se conveniunt, a rule taken from the mathematics, but so potent in logic as all syllogisms are built upon it? Is not the observation, Omnia mutantur, nil interit, a contemplation in philosophy thus, that the quantum of nature is eternal? in natural theology thus, that it requireth the same omnipotency to make somewhat nothing, which at the first made nothing somewhat? according to the Scripture, Didici quod omnia opera, quœ fecit Deus, perseverent in perpetuum; non possumus eis quicquam addere nec auferre. Is not the ground, which Machiavel wisely and largely discourseth concerning governments, that the way to establish and preserve them is to reduce them ad principia - a rule in religion and nature, as well as in civil administration? Was not the Persian magic a reduction or correspondence of the principles and architectures of nature to the rules and policy of governments? Is not the precept of a musician, to fall from a discord or harsh accord upon a concord or sweet accord, alike true in affection? Is not the trope of music, to avoid or slide from the close or cadence, common with the trope of rhetoric of deceiving expectation? Is not the delight of the quavering upon a stop in music the same with the playing of light upon the water?

“Splendet tremulo sub lumine pontus.”

Are not the organs of the senses of one kind with the organs of reflection, the eye with a glass, the ear with a cave or strait, determined and bounded? Neither are these only similitudes, as men of narrow observation may conceive them to be, but the same footsteps of nature, treading or printing upon several subjects or matters. This science therefore (as I understand it) I may justly report as deficient; for I see sometimes the profounder sort of wits, in handling some particular argument, will now and then draw a bucket of water out of this well for their present use; but the spring-head thereof seemeth to me not to have been visited, being of so excellent use both for the disclosing of nature and the abridgment of art.

VI. 

(1) This science being therefore first placed as a common parent like unto Berecynthia, which had so much heavenly issue, omnes cœlicolas, omnes supera alta tenetes; we may return to the former distribution of the three philosophies - divine, natural, and human. And as concerning divine philosophy or natural theology, it is that knowledge or rudiment of knowledge concerning God which may be obtained by the contemplation of His creatures; which knowledge may be truly termed divine in respect of the object, and natural in respect of the light. The bounds of this knowledge are, that it sufficeth to convince atheism, but not to inform religion; and therefore there was never miracle wrought by God to convert an atheist, because the light of nature might have led him to confess a God; but miracles have been wrought to convert idolaters and the superstitious, because no light of nature extendeth to declare the will and true worship of God. For as all works do show forth the power and skill of the workman, and not his image, so it is of the works of God, which do show the omnipotency and wisdom of the Maker, but not His image. And therefore therein the heathen opinion differeth from the sacred truth: for they supposed the world to be the image of God, and man to be an extract or compendious image of the world; but the Scriptures never vouchsafe to attribute to the world that honour, as to be the image of God, but only the work of His hands; neither do they speak of any other image of God but man. Wherefore by the contemplation of nature to induce and enforce the acknowledgment of God, and to demonstrate His power, providence, and goodness, is an excellent argument, and hath been excellently handled by divers, but on the other side, out of the contemplation of nature, or ground of human knowledges, to induce any verity or persuasion concerning the points of faith, is in my judgment not safe; Da fidei quæ fidei sunt. For the heathen themselves conclude as much in that excellent and divine fable of the golden chain, “That men and gods were not able to draw Jupiter down to the earth; but, contrariwise, Jupiter was able to draw them up to heaven.” So as we ought not to attempt to draw down or submit the mysteries of God to our reason, but contrariwise to raise and advance our reason to the divine truth. So as in this part of knowledge, touching divine philosophy, I am so far from noting any deficience, as I rather note an excess; whereunto I have digressed because of the extreme prejudice which both religion and philosophy hath received and may receive by being commixed together; as that which undoubtedly will make an heretical religion, and an imaginary and fabulous philosophy.

(2) Otherwise it is of the nature of angels and spirits, which is an appendix of theol-ogy, both divine and natural, and is neither inscrutable nor interdicted. For although the Scripture saith, “Let no man deceive you in sublime discourse touching the worship of angels, pressing into that he knoweth not,” &amp;c., yet notwithstanding if you observe well that precept, it may appear thereby that there be two things only forbidden - adoration of them, and opinion fantastical of them, either to extol them further than appertaineth to the degree of a creature, or to extol a man’s knowledge of them further than he hath ground. But the sober and grounded inquiry, which may arise out of the passages of Holy Scriptures, or out of the gradations of nature, is not restrained. So of degenerate and revolted spirits, the conversing with them or the employment of them is prohibited, much more any veneration towards them; but the contemplation or science of their nature, their power, their illusions, either by Scripture or reason, is a part of spiritual wisdom. For so the apostle saith, “We are not ignorant of his stratagems.” And it is no more unlawful to inquire the nature of evil spirits, than to inquire the force of poisons in nature, or the nature of sin and vice in morality. But this part touching angels and spirits I cannot note as deficient, for many have occupied themselves in it; I may rather challenge it, in many of the writers thereof, as fabulous and fantastical.

VII. 

(1) Leaving therefore divine philosophy or natural theology (not divinity or inspired theology, which we reserve for the last of all as the haven and sabbath of all man’s contemplations) we will now proceed to natural philosophy. If then it be true that Democritus said, “That the truth of nature lieth hid in certain deep mines and caves;” and if it be true likewise that the alchemists do so much inculcate, that Vulcan is a second nature, and imitateth that dexterously and compendiously, which nature worketh by ambages and length of time, it were good to divide natural philosophy into the mine and the furnace, and to make two professions or occupations of natural philosophers - some to be pioneers and some smiths; some to dig, and some to refine and hammer. And surely I do best allow of a division of that kind, though in more familiar and scholastical terms: namely, that these be the two parts of natural philosophy - the inquisition of causes, and the production of effects; speculative and operative; natural science, and natural prudence. For as in civil matters there is a wisdom of discourse, and a wisdom of direction; so is it in natural. And here I will make a request, that for the latter (or at least for a part thereof) I may revive and reintegrate the misapplied and abused name of natural magic, which in the true sense is but natural wisdom, or natural prudence; taken according to the ancient acception, purged from vanity and superstition. Now although it be true, and I know it well, that there is an intercourse between causes and effects, so as both these knowledges, speculative and operative, have a great connection between themselves; yet because all true and fruitful natural philosophy hath a double scale or ladder, ascendent and descendent, ascending from experiments to the invention of causes, and descending from causes to the invention of new experiments; therefore I judge it most requisite that these two parts be severally considered and handled.

(2) Natural science or theory is divided into physic and metaphysic; wherein I desire it may be conceived that I use the word metaphysic in a differing sense from that that is received. And in like manner, I doubt not but it will easily appear to men of judgment, that in this and other particulars, wheresoever my conception and notion may differ from the ancient, yet I am studious to keep the ancient terms. For hoping well to deliver myself from mistaking, by the order and perspicuous expressing of that I do propound, I am otherwise zealous and affectionate to recede as little from antiquity, either in terms or opinions, as may stand with truth and the proficience of knowledge. And herein I cannot a little marvel at the philosopher Aristotle, that did proceed in such a spirit of difference and contradiction towards all antiquity; undertaking not only to frame new words of science at pleasure, but to confound and extinguish all ancient wisdom; insomuch as he never nameth or mentioneth an ancient author or opinion, but to confute and reprove; wherein for glory, and drawing followers and disciples, he took the right course. For certainly there cometh to pass, and hath place in human truth, that which was noted and pronounced in the highest truth:- Veni in nomine partis, nec recipits me; si quis venerit in nomine suo eum recipietis. But in this divine aphorism (considering to whom it was applied, namely, to antichrist, the highest deceiver), we may discern well that the coming in a man’s own name, without regard of antiquity or paternity, is no good sign of truth, although it be joined with the fortune and success of an eum recipietis. But for this excellent person Aristotle, I will think of him that he learned that humour of his scholar, with whom it seemeth he did emulate; the one to conquer all opinions, as the other to conquer all nations. Wherein, nevertheless, it may be, he may at some men’s hands, that are of a bitter disposition, get a like title as his scholar did:-

“Felix terrarum prædo, non utile mundo

Editus exemplum, &amp;c.”

So,

“Felix doctrinæ prædo.”

But to me, on the other side, that do desire as much as lieth in my pen to ground a sociable intercourse between antiquity and proficience, it seemeth best to keep way with antiquity usque ad aras; and, therefore, to retain the ancient terms, though I sometimes alter the uses and definitions, according to the moderate proceeding in civil government; where, although there be some alteration, yet that holdeth which Tacitus wisely noteth, eadem magistratuum vocabula.

(3) To return, therefore, to the use and acception of the term metaphysic as I do now understand the word; it appeareth, by that which hath been already said, that I intend philosophia prima, summary philosophy and metaphysic, which heretofore have been confounded as one, to be two distinct things. For the one I have made as a parent or common ancestor to all knowledge; and the other I have now brought in as a branch or descendant of natural science. It appeareth likewise that I have assigned to summary philosophy the common principles and axioms which are promiscuous and indifferent to several sciences; I have assigned unto it likewise the inquiry touching the operation or the relative and adventive characters of essences, as quantity, similitude, diversity, possibility, and the rest, with this distinction and provision; that they be handled as they have efficacy in nature, and not logically. It appeareth likewise that natural theology, which heretofore hath been handled confusedly with metaphysic, I have enclosed and bounded by itself. It is therefore now a question what is left remaining for metaphysic; wherein I may without prejudice preserve thus much of the conceit of antiquity, that physic should contemplate that which is inherent in matter, and therefore transitory; and metaphysic that which is abstracted and fixed. And again, that physic should handle that which supposeth in nature only a being and moving; and metaphysic should handle that which supposeth further in nature a reason, understanding, and platform. But the difference, perspicuously expressed, is most familiar and sensible. For as we divided natural philosophy in general into the inquiry of causes and productions of effects, so that part which concerneth the inquiry of causes we do subdivide according to the received and sound division of causes. The one part, which is physic, inquireth and handleth the material and efficient causes; and the other, which is metaphysic, handleth the formal and final causes.

(4) Physic (taking it according to the derivation, and not according to our idiom for medicine) is situate in a middle term or distance between natural history and meta-physic. For natural history describeth the variety of things; physic the causes, but va-riable or respective causes; and metaphysic the fixed and constant causes.

“Limus ut hic durescit, et hæc ut cera liquescit,

Uno eodemque igni.”

Fire is the cause of induration, but respective to clay; fire is the cause of colliquation, but respective to wax. But fire is no constant cause either of induration or colliquation; so then the physical causes are but the efficient and the matter. Physic hath three parts, whereof two respect nature united or collected, the third contemplateth nature diffused or distributed. Nature is collected either into one entire total, or else into the same principles or seeds. So as the first doctrine is touching the contexture or configuration of things, as de mundo, de universitate rerum. The second is the doctrine concerning the principles or originals of things. The third is the doctrine concerning all variety and particularity of things; whether it be of the differing substances, or their differing qualities and natures; whereof there needeth no enumeration, this part being but as a gloss or paraphrase that attendeth upon the text of natural history. Of these three I cannot report any as deficient. In what truth or perfection they are handled, I make not now any judgment; but they are parts of knowledge not deserted by the labour of man.

(5) For metaphysic, we have assigned unto it the inquiry of formal and final causes; which assignation, as to the former of them, may seem to be nugatory and void, be-cause of the received and inveterate opinion, that the inquisition of man is not com-petent to find out essential forms or true differences; of which opinion we will take this hold, that the invention of forms is of all other parts of knowledge the worthiest to be sought, if it be possible to be found. As for the possibility, they are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can see nothing but sea. But it is manifest that Plato, in his opinion of ideas, as one that had a wit of elevation situate as upon a cliff, did descry that forms were the true object of knowledge; but lost the real fruit of his opinion, by considering of forms as absolutely abstracted from matter, and not confined and determined by matter; and so turning his opinion upon theology, wherewith all his natural philosophy is infected. But if any man shall keep a continual watchful and severe eye upon action, operation, and the use of knowledge, he may advise and take notice what are the forms, the disclosures whereof are fruitful and important to the state of man. For as to the forms of substances (man only except, of whom it is said, Formavit hominem de limo terræ, et spiravit in faciem ejus spiraculum vitæ, and not as of all other creatures, Producant aquæ, producat terra), the forms of substances I say (as they are now by compounding and transplanting multiplied) are so perplexed, as they are not to be inquired; no more than it were either possible or to purpose to seek in gross the forms of those sounds which make words, which by composition and transposition of letters are infinite. But, on the other side, to inquire the form of those sounds or voices which make simple letters is easily comprehensible; and being known induceth and manifesteth the forms of all words, which consist and are compounded of them. In the same manner to inquire the form of a lion, of an oak, of gold; nay, of water, of air, is a vain pursuit; but to inquire the forms of sense, of voluntary motion, of vegetation, of colours, of gravity and levity, of density, of tenuity, of heat, of cold, and all other natures and qualities, which, like an alphabet, are not many, and of which the essences (upheld by matter) of all creatures do consist; to inquire, I say, the true forms of these, is that part of metaphysic which we now define of. Not but that physic doth make inquiry and take consideration of the same natures; but how? Only as to the material and efficient causes of them, and not as to the forms. For example, if the cause of whiteness in snow or froth be inquired, and it be rendered thus, that the subtle intermixture of air and water is the cause, it is well rendered; but, nevertheless, is this the form of whiteness? No; but it is the efficient, which is ever but vehiculum formæ. This part of metaphysic I do not find laboured and performed; whereat I marvel not; because I hold it not possible to be invented by that course of invention which hath been used; in regard that men (which is the root of all error) have made too untimely a departure, and too remote a recess from particulars.

(6) But the use of this part of metaphysic, which I report as deficient, is of the rest the most excellent in two respects: the one, because it is the duty and virtue of all knowledge to abridge the infinity of individual experience, as much as the conception of truth will permit, and to remedy the complaint of vita brevis, ars longa; which is performed by uniting the notions and conceptions of sciences. For knowledges are as pyramids, whereof history is the basis. So of natural philosophy, the basis is natural history; the stage next the basis is physic; the stage next the vertical point is metaphysic. As for the vertical point, opus quod operatur Deus à principio usque ad finem, the summary law of nature, we know not whether man’s inquiry can attain unto it. But these three be the true stages of knowledge, and are to them that are depraved no better than the giants’ hills:-

“Ter sunt conati imponere Pelio Ossam,

Scilicet atque Ossæ frondsum involvere Olympum.”

But to those which refer all things to the glory of God, they are as the three acclama-tions, Sante, sancte, sancte! holy in the description or dilatation of His works; holy in the connection or concatenation of them; and holy in the union of them in a perpetual and uniform law. And, therefore, the speculation was excellent in Parmenides and Plato, although but a speculation in them, that all things by scale did ascend to unity. So then always that knowledge is worthiest which is charged with least multiplicity, which appeareth to be metaphysic; as that which considereth the simple forms or differences of things, which are few in number, and the degrees and co-ordinations whereof make all this variety. The second respect, which valueth and commendeth this part of metaphysic, is that it doth enfranchise the power of man unto the greatest liberty and possibility of works and effects. For physic carrieth men in narrow and restrained ways, subject to many accidents and impediments, imitating the ordinary flexuous courses of nature. But latæ undique sunt sapientibus viæ; to sapience (which was anciently defined to be rerum divinarum et humanarum scientia) there is ever a choice of means. For physical causes give light to new invention in simili materia. But whosoever knoweth any form, knoweth the utmost possibility of superinducing that nature upon any variety of matter; and so is less restrained in operation, either to the basis of the matter, or the condition of the efficient; which kind of knowledge Solomon likewise, though in a more divine sense, elegantly describeth: non arctabuntur gressus tui, et currens non habebis offendiculum. The ways of sapience are not much liable either to particularity or chance.

(7) The second part of metaphysic is the inquiry of final causes, which I am moved to report not as omitted, but as misplaced. And yet if it were but a fault in order, I would not speak of it; for order is matter of illustration, but pertaineth not to the substance of sciences. But this misplacing hath caused a deficience, or at least a great improficience in the sciences themselves. For the handling of final causes, mixed with the rest in physical inquiries, hath intercepted the severe and diligent inquiry of all real and physical causes, and given men the occasion to stay upon these satisfactory and specious causes, to the great arrest and prejudice of further discovery. For this I find done not only by Plato, who ever anchoreth upon that shore, but by Aristotle, Galen, and others which do usually likewise fall upon these flats of discoursing causes. For to say that “the hairs of the eyelids are for a quickset and fence about the sight;” or that “the firmness of the skins and hides of living creatures is to defend them from the extremities of heat or cold;” or that “the bones are for the columns or beams, whereupon the frames of the bodies of living creatures are built;” or that “the leaves of trees are for protecting of the fruit;” or that “the clouds are for watering of the earth;” or that “the solidness of the earth is for the station and mansion of living creatures;” and the like, is well inquired and collected in metaphysic, but in physic they are impertinent. Nay, they are, indeed, but remoras and hindrances to stay and slug the ship from further sailing; and have brought this to pass, that the search of the physical causes hath been neglected and passed in silence. And, therefore, the natural philosophy of Democritus and some others, who did not suppose a mind or reason in the frame of things, but attributed the form thereof able to maintain itself to infinite essays or proofs of Nature, which they term fortune, seemeth to me (as far as I can judge by the recital and fragments which remain unto us) in particularities of physical causes more real and better inquired than that of Aristotle and Plato; whereof both intermingled final causes, the one as a part of theology, and the other as a part of logic, which were the favourite studies respectively of both those persons; not because those final causes are not true and worthy to be inquired, being kept within their own province, but because their excursions into the limits of physical causes hath bred a vastness and solitude in that tract. For otherwise, keeping their precincts and borders, men are extremely deceived if they think there is an enmity or repugnancy at all between them. For the cause rendered, that “the hairs about the eyelids are for the safeguard of the sight,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “pilosity is incident to orifices of moisture - muscosi fontes, &amp;c.” Nor the cause rendered, that “the firmness of hides is for the armour of the body against extremities of heat or cold,” doth not impugn the cause rendered, that “contraction of pores is incident to the outwardest parts, in regard of their adjacence to foreign or unlike bodies;” and so of the rest, both causes being true and compatible, the one declaring an intention, the other a consequence only. Neither doth this call in question or derogate from Divine Providence, but highly confirm and exalt it. For as in civil actions he is the greater and deeper politique that can make other men the instruments of his will and ends, and yet never acquaint them with his purpose, so as they shall do it and yet not know what they do, than he that imparteth his meaning to those he employeth; so is the wisdom of God more admirable, when Nature intendeth one thing and Providence draweth forth another, than if He had communicated to particular creatures and motions the characters and impressions of His Providence. And thus much for metaphysic; the latter part whereof I allow as extant, but wish it confined to his proper place.

VIII. 

(1) Nevertheless, there remaineth yet another part of natural philosophy, which is commonly made a principal part, and holdeth rank with physic special and metaphysic, which is mathematic; but I think it more agreeable to the nature of things, and to the light of order, to place it as a branch of metaphysic. For the subject of it being quantity, not quantity indefinite, which is but a relative, and belongeth to philosophia prima (as hath been said), but quantity determined or proportionable, it appeareth to be one of the essential forms of things, as that that is causative in Nature of a number of effects; insomuch as we see in the schools both of Democritus and of Pythagoras that the one did ascribe figure to the first seeds of things, and the other did suppose numbers to be the principles and originals of things. And it is true also that of all other forms (as we understand forms) it is the most abstracted and separable from matter, and therefore most proper to metaphysic; which hath likewise been the cause why it hath been better laboured and inquired than any of the other forms, which are more immersed in matter. For it being the nature of the mind of man (to the extreme prejudice of knowledge) to delight in the spacious liberty of generalities, as in a champaign region, and not in the inclosures of particularity, the mathematics of all other knowledge were the goodliest fields to satisfy that appetite. But for the placing of this science, it is not much material: only we have endeavoured in these our partitions to observe a kind of perspective, that one part may cast light upon another.

(2) The mathematics are either pure or mixed. To the pure mathematics are those sciences belonging which handle quantity determinate, merely severed from any axioms of natural philosophy; and these are two, geometry and arithmetic, the one handling quantity continued, and the other dissevered. Mixed hath for subject some axioms or parts of natural philosophy, and considereth quantity determined, as it is auxiliary and incident unto them. For many parts of Nature can neither be invented with sufficient subtlety, nor demonstrated with sufficient perspicuity, nor accommodated unto use with sufficient dexterity, without the aid and intervening of the mathematics, of which sort are perspective, music, astronomy, cosmography, architecture, engineery, and divers others. In the mathematics I can report no deficience, except it be that men do not sufficiently understand this excellent use of the pure mathematics, in that they do remedy and cure many defects in the wit and faculties intellectual. For if the wit be too dull, they sharpen it; if too wandering, they fix it; if too inherent in the sense, they abstract it. So that as tennis is a game of no use in itself, but of great use in respect it maketh a quick eye and a body ready to put itself into all postures, so in the mathematics that use which is collateral and intervenient is no less worthy than that which is principal and intended. And as for the mixed mathematics, I may only make this prediction, that there cannot fail to be more kinds of them as Nature grows further disclosed. Thus much of natural science, or the part of Nature speculative.

(3) For natural prudence, or the part operative of natural philosophy, we will divide it into three parts - experimental, philosophical, and magical; which three parts active have a correspondence and analogy with the three parts speculative, natural history, physic, and metaphysic. For many operations have been invented, sometimes by a casual incidence and occurrence, sometimes by a purposed experiment; and of those which have been found by an intentional experiment, some have been found out by varying or extending the same experiment, some by transferring and compounding divers experiments the one into the other, which kind of invention an empiric may manage. Again, by the knowledge of physical causes there cannot fail to follow many indications and designations of new particulars, if men in their speculation will keep one eye upon use and practice. But these are but coastings along the shore, premendo littus iniquum; for it seemeth to me there can hardly be discovered any radical or fundamental alterations and innovations in Nature, either by the fortune and essays of experiments, or by the light and direction of physical causes. If, therefore, we have reported metaphysic deficient, it must follow that we do the like of natural magic, which hath relation thereunto. For as for the natural magic whereof now there is mention in books, containing certain credulous and superstitious conceits and observations of sympathies and antipathies, and hidden proprieties, and some frivolous experiments, strange rather by disguisement than in themselves, it is as far differing in truth of Nature from such a knowledge as we require as the story of King Arthur of Britain, or Hugh of Bourdeaux, differs from Cæsar’s Commentaries in truth of story; for it is manifest that Cæsar did greater things de vero than those imaginary heroes were feigned to do. But he did them not in that fabulous manner. Of this kind of learning the fable of Ixion was a figure, who designed to enjoy Juno, the goddess of power, and instead of her had copulation with a cloud, of which mixture were begotten centaurs and chimeras. So whosoever shall entertain high and vaporous imaginations, instead of a laborious and sober inquiry of truth, shall beget hopes and beliefs of strange and impossible shapes. And, therefore, we may note in these sciences which hold so much of imagination and belief, as this degenerate natural magic, alchemy, astrology, and the like, that in their propositions the description of the means is ever more monstrous than the pretence or end. For it is a thing more probable that he that knoweth well the natures of weight, of colour, of pliant and fragile in respect of the hammer, of volatile and fixed in respect of the fire, and the rest, may superinduce upon some metal the nature and form of gold by such mechanic as longeth to the production of the natures afore rehearsed, than that some grains of the medicine projected should in a few moments of time turn a sea of quicksilver or other material into gold. So it is more probable that he that knoweth the nature of arefaction, the nature of assimilation of nourishment to the thing nourished, the manner of increase and clearing of spirits, the manner of the depredations which spirits make upon the humours and solid parts, shall by ambages of diets, bathings, anointings, medicines, motions, and the like, prolong life, or restore some degree of youth or vivacity, than that it can be done with the use of a few drops or scruples of a liquor or receipt. To conclude, therefore, the true natural magic, which is that great liberty and latitude of operation which dependeth upon the knowledge of forms, I may report deficient, as the relative thereof is. To which part, if we be serious and incline not to vanities and plausible discourse, besides the deriving and deducing the operations themselves from metaphysic, there are pertinent two points of much purpose, the one by way of preparation, the other by way of caution. The first is, that there be made a calendar, resembling an inventory of the estate of man, containing all the inventions (being the works or fruits of Nature or art) which are now extant, and whereof man is already possessed; out of which doth naturally result a note what things are yet held impossible, or not invented, which calendar will be the more artificial and serviceable if to every reputed impossibility you add what thing is extant which cometh the nearest in degree to that impossibility; to the end that by these optatives and potentials man’s inquiry may be the more awake in deducing direction of works from the speculation of causes. And secondly, that these experiments be not only esteemed which have an immediate and present use, but those principally which are of most universal consequence for invention of other experiments, and those which give most light to the invention of causes; for the invention of the mariner’s needle, which giveth the direction, is of no less benefit for navigation than the invention of the sails which give the motion.

(4) Thus have I passed through natural philosophy and the deficiences thereof; wherein if I have differed from the ancient and received doctrines, and thereby shall move contradiction, for my part, as I affect not to dissent, so I purpose not to contend. If it be truth,

“Non canimus surdis, respondent omnia sylvæ,”

the voice of Nature will consent, whether the voice of man do or no. And as Alexander Borgia was wont to say of the expedition of the French for Naples, that they came with chalk in their hands to mark up their lodgings, and not with weapons to fight; so I like better that entry of truth which cometh peaceably with chalk to mark up those minds which are capable to lodge and harbour it, than that which cometh with pugnacity and contention.

(5) But there remaineth a division of natural philosophy according to the report of the inquiry, and nothing concerning the matter or subject: and that is positive and considerative, when the inquiry reporteth either an assertion or a doubt. These doubts or non liquets are of two sorts, particular and total. For the first, we see a good example thereof in Aristotle’s Problems which deserved to have had a better continuance; but so nevertheless as there is one point whereof warning is to be given and taken. The registering of doubts hath two excellent uses: the one, that it saveth philosophy from errors and falsehoods; when that which is not fully appearing is not collected into assertion, whereby error might draw error, but reserved in doubt; the other, that the entry of doubts are as so many suckers or sponges to draw use of knowledge; insomuch as that which if doubts had not preceded, a man should never have advised, but passed it over without note, by the suggestion and solicitation of doubts is made to be attended and applied. But both these commodities do scarcely countervail and inconvenience, which will intrude itself if it be not debarred; which is, that when a doubt is once received, men labour rather how to keep it a doubt still, than how to solve it, and accordingly bend their wits. Of this we see the familiar example in lawyers and scholars, both which, if they have once admitted a doubt, it goeth ever after authorised for a doubt. But that use of wit and knowledge is to be allowed, which laboureth to make doubtful things certain, and not those which labour to make certain things doubtful. Therefore these calendars of doubts I commend as excellent things; so that there he this caution used, that when they be thoroughly sifted and brought to resolution, they be from thenceforth omitted, discarded, and not continued to cherish and encourage men in doubting. To which calendar of doubts or problems I advise be annexed another calendar, as much or more material which is a calendar of popular errors: I mean chiefly in natural history, such as pass in speech and conceit, and are nevertheless apparently detected and convicted of untruth, that man’s knowledge be not weakened nor embased by such dross and vanity. As for the doubts or non liquets general or in total, I understand those differences of opinions touching the principles of nature, and the fundamental points of the same, which have caused the diversity of sects, schools, and philosophies, as that of Empedocles, Pythagoras, Democritus, Parmenides, and the rest. For although Aristotle, as though he had been of the race of the Ottomans, thought he could not reign except the first thing he did he killed all his brethren; yet to those that seek truth and not magistrality, it cannot but seem a matter of great profit, to see before them the several opinions touching the foundations of nature. Not for any exact truth that can be expected in those theories; for as the same phenomena in astronomy are satisfied by this received astronomy of the diurnal motion, and the proper motions of the planets, with their eccentrics and epicycles, and likewise by the theory of Copernicus, who supposed the earth to move, and the calculations are indifferently agreeable to both, so the ordinary face and view of experience is many times satisfied by several theories and philosophies; whereas to find the real truth requireth another manner of severity and attention. For as Aristotle saith, that children at the first will call every woman mother, but afterward they come to distinguish according to truth, so experience, if it be in childhood, will call every philosophy mother, but when it cometh to ripeness it will discern the true mother. So as in the meantime it is good to see the several glosses and opinions upon Nature, whereof it may be everyone in some one point hath seen clearer than his fellows, therefore I wish some collection to be made painfully and understandingly de antiquis philosophiis, out of all the possible light which remaineth to us of them: which kind of work I find deficient. But here I must give warning, that it be done distinctly and se-veredly; the philosophies of everyone throughout by themselves, and not by titles packed and faggoted up together, as hath been done by Plutarch. For it is the harmony of a philosophy in itself, which giveth it light and credence; whereas if it be singled and broken, it will seem more foreign and dissonant. For as when I read in Tacitus the actions of Nero or Claudius, with circumstances of times, inducements, and occasions, I find them not so strange; but when I read them in Suetonius Tranquillus, gathered into titles and bundles and not in order of time, they seem more monstrous and incredible: so is it of any philosophy reported entire, and dismembered by articles. Neither do I exclude opinions of latter times to be likewise represented in this calendar of sects of philosophy, as that of Theophrastus Paracelsus, eloquently reduced into an harmony by the pen of Severinus the Dane; and that of Tilesius, and his scholar Donius, being as a pastoral philosophy, full of sense, but of no great depth; and that of Fracastorius, who, though he pretended not to make any new philosophy, yet did use the absoluteness of his own sense upon the old; and that of Gilbertus our countryman, who revived, with some alterations and demonstrations, the opinions of Xenophanes; and any other worthy to be admitted.

(6) Thus have we now dealt with two of the three beams of man’s knowledge; that is radius directus, which is referred to nature, radius refractus, which is referred to God, and cannot report truly because of the inequality of the medium. There resteth radius reflexus, whereby man beholdeth and contemplateth himself.

IX. 

(1) We come therefore now to that knowledge whereunto the ancient oracle directeth us, which is the knowledge of ourselves; which deserveth the more accurate handling, by how much it toucheth us more nearly. This knowledge, as it is the end and term of natural philosophy in the intention of man, so notwithstanding it is but a portion of natural philosophy in the continent of Nature. And generally let this be a rule, that all partitions of knowledges be accepted rather for lines and veins than for sections and separations; and that the continuance and entireness of knowledge be preserved. For the contrary hereof hath made particular sciences to become barren, shallow, and erroneous, while they have not been nourished and maintained from the common fountain. So we see Cicero, the orator, complained of Socrates and his school, that he was the first that separated philosophy and rhetoric; whereupon rhetoric became an empty and verbal art. So we may see that the opinion of Copernicus, touching the rotation of the earth, which astronomy itself cannot correct, because it is not repugnant to any of the phenomena, yet natural philosophy may correct. So we see also that the science of medicine if it be destituted and forsaken by natural philosophy, it is not much better than an empirical practice. With this reservation, therefore, we proceed to human philosophy or humanity, which hath two parts: the one considereth man segregate or distributively, the other congregate or in society; so as human philosophy is either simple and particular, or conjugate and civil. Humanity particular consisteth of the same parts whereof man consisteth: that is, of knowledges which respect the body, and of knowledges that respect the mind. But before we distribute so far, it is good to constitute. For I do take the consideration in general, and at large, of human nature to be fit to be emancipate and made a knowledge by itself, not so much in regard of those delightful and elegant discourses which have been made of the dignity of man, of his miseries, of his state and life, and the like adjuncts of his common and undivided nature; but chiefly in regard of the knowledge concerning the sympathies and concordances between the mind and body, which being mixed cannot be properly assigned to the sciences of either.

(2) This knowledge hath two branches: for as all leagues and amities consist of mutual intelligence and mutual offices, so this league of mind and body hath these two parts: how the one discloseth the other, and how the one worketh upon the other; discovery and impression. The former of these hath begotten two arts, both of prediction or prenotion; whereof the one is honoured with the inquiry of Aristotle, and the other of Hippocrates. And although they have of later time been used to be coupled with superstitions and fantastical arts, yet being purged and restored to their true state, they have both of them a solid ground in Nature, and a profitable use in life. The first is physiognomy, which discovereth the disposition of the mind by the lineaments of the body. The second is the exposition of natural dreams, which discovereth the state of the body by the imaginations of the mind. In the former of these I note a deficience. For Aristotle hath very ingeniously and diligently handled the factures of the body, but not the gestures of the body, which are no less comprehensible by art, and of greater use and advantage. For the lineaments of the body do disclose the disposition and inclination of the mind in general; but the motions of the countenance and parts do not only so, but do further disclose the present humour and state of the mind and will. For as your majesty saith most aptly and elegantly, “As the tongue speaketh to the ear so the gesture speaketh to the eye.” And, therefore, a number of subtle persons, whose eyes do dwell upon the faces and fashions of men, do well know the advantage of this observation, as being most part of their ability; neither can it be denied, but that it is a great discovery of dissimulations, and a great direction in business.

(3) The latter branch, touching impression, hath not been collected into art, but hath been handled dispersedly; and it hath the same relation or antistrophe that the former hath. For the consideration is double - either how and how far the humours and affects of the body do alter or work upon the mind, or, again, how and how far the passions or apprehensions of the mind do alter or work upon the body. The former of these hath been inquired and considered as a part and appendix of medicine, but much more as a part of religion or superstition. For the physician prescribeth cures of the mind in frenzies and melancholy passions, and pretendeth also to exhibit medicines to exhilarate the mind, to control the courage, to clarify the wits, to corroborate the memory, and the like; but the scruples and superstitions of diet and other regiment of the body in the sect of the Pythagoreans, in the heresy of the Manichees, and in the law of Mahomet, do exceed. So likewise the ordinances in the ceremonial law, interdicting the eating of the blood and the fat, distinguishing between beasts clean and unclean for meat, are many and strict; nay, the faith itself being clear and serene from all clouds of ceremony, yet retaineth the use of fastlings, abstinences, and other macerations and humiliations of the body, as things real, and not figurative. The root and life of all which prescripts is (besides the ceremony) the consideration of that dependency which the affections of the mind are submitted unto upon the state and disposition of the body. And if any man of weak judgment do conceive that this suffering of the mind from the body doth either question the immortality, or derogate from the sovereignty of the soul, he may be taught, in easy instances, that the infant in the mother’s womb is compatible with the mother, and yet separable; and the most absolute monarch is sometimes led by his servants, and yet without subjection. As for the reciprocal knowledge, which is the operation of the conceits and passions of the mind upon the body, we see all wise physicians, in the prescriptions of their regiments to their patients, do ever consider accidentia animi, as of great force to further or hinder remedies or recoveries: and more specially it is an inquiry of great depth and worth concerning imagination, how and how far it altereth the body proper of the imaginant; for although it hath a manifest power to hurt, it followeth not it hath the same degree of power to help. No more than a man can conclude, that because there be pestilent airs, able suddenly to kill a man in health, therefore there should be sovereign airs, able suddenly to cure a man in sickness. But the inquisition of this part is of great use, though it needeth, as Socrates said, “a Delian diver,” being difficult and profound. But unto all this knowledge de communi vinculo, of the concordances between the mind and the body, that part of inquiry is most necessary which considereth of the seats and domiciles which the several faculties of the mind do take and occupate in the organs of the body; which knowledge hath been attempted, and is controverted, and deserveth to be much better inquired. For the opinion of Plato, who placed the understanding in the brain, animosity (which he did unfitly call anger, having a greater mixture with pride) in the heart, and concupiscence or sensuality in the liver, deserveth not to be despised, but much less to be allowed. So, then, we have constituted (as in our own wish and advice) the inquiry touching human nature entire, as a just portion of knowledge to be handled apart.

X. 

(1) The knowledge that concerneth man’s body is divided as the good of man’s body is divided, unto which it referreth. The good of man’s body is of four kinds - health, beauty, strength, and pleasure: so the knowledges are medicine, or art of cure; art of decoration, which is called cosmetic; art of activity, which is called athletic; and art voluptuary, which Tacitus truly calleth eruditus luxus. This subject of man’s body is, of all other things in nature, most susceptible of remedy; but then that remedy is most susceptible of error; for the same subtlety of the subject doth cause large possibility and easy failing, and therefore the inquiry ought to be the more exact.

(2) To speak, therefore, of medicine, and to resume that we have said, ascending a little higher: the ancient opinion that man was microcosmus - an abstract or model of the world - hath been fantastically strained by Paracelsus and the alchemists, as if there were to be found in man’s body certain correspondences and parallels, which should have respect to all varieties of things, as stars, planets, minerals, which are extant in the great world. But thus much is evidently true, that of all substances which nature hath produced, man’s body is the most extremely compounded. For we see herbs and plants are nourished by earth and water; beasts for the most part by herbs and fruits; man by the flesh of beasts, birds, fishes, herbs, grains, fruits, water, and the manifold alterations, dressings, and preparations of these several bodies before they come to be his food and aliment. Add hereunto that beasts have a more simple order of life, and less change of affections to work upon their bodies, whereas man in his mansion, sleep, exercise, passions, hath infinite variations: and it cannot be denied but that the body of man of all other things is of the most compounded mass. The soul, on the other side, is the simplest of substances, as is well expressed:

“Purumque reliquit

Æthereum sensum atque auraï simplicis ignem.”

So that it is no marvel though the soul so placed enjoy no rest, if that principle be true, that Motus rerum est rapidus extra locum, placidus in loco. But to the purpose. This variable composition of man’s body hath made it as an instrument easy to distemper; and, therefore, the poets did well to conjoin music and medicine in Apollo, because the office of medicine is but to tune this curious harp of man’s body and to reduce it to harmony. So, then, the subject being so variable hath made the art by consequent more conjectural; and the art being conjectural hath made so much the more place to be left for imposture. For almost all other arts and sciences are judged by acts or masterpieces, as I may term them, and not by the successes and events. The lawyer is judged by the virtue of his pleading, and not by the issue of the cause; this master in this ship is judged by the directing his course aright, and not by the fortune of the voyage; but the physician, and perhaps this politique, hath no particular acts demonstrative of his ability, but is judged most by the event, which is ever but as it is taken: for who can tell, if a patient die or recover, or if a state be preserved or ruined, whether it be art or accident? And therefore many times the impostor is prized, and the man of virtue taxed. Nay, we see [the] weakness and credulity of men is such, as they will often refer a mountebank or witch before a learned physician. And therefore the poets were clear-sighted in discerning this extreme folly when they made Æsculapius and Circe, brother and sister, both children of the sun, as in the verses -

“Ipse repertorem medicinæ talis et artis

Fulmine Phœbigenam Stygias detrusit ad undas.”

And again -

“Dives inaccessos ubi Solis filia lucos,” &amp;c.

For in all times, in the opinion of the multitude, witches and old women and impos-tors, have had a competition with physicians. And what followeth? Even this, that physicians say to themselves, as Solomon expresseth it upon a higher occasion, “If it befall to me as befalleth to the fools, why should I labour to be more wise?” And therefore I cannot much blame physicians that they use commonly to intend some other art or practice, which they fancy more than their profession; for you shall have of them antiquaries, poets, humanists, statesmen, merchants, divines, and in every of these better seen than in their profession; and no doubt upon this ground that they find that mediocrity and excellency in their art maketh no difference in profit or rep-utation towards their fortune: for the weakness of patients, and sweetness of life, and nature of hope, maketh men depend upon physicians with all their defects. But, nevertheless, these things which we have spoken of are courses begotten between a little occasion and a great deal of sloth and default; for if we will excite and awake our observation, we shall see in familiar instances what a predominant faculty the subtlety of spirit hath over the variety of matter or form. Nothing more variable than faces and countenances, yet men can bear in memory the infinite distinctions of them; nay, a painter, with a few shells of colours, and the benefit of his eye, and habit of his imagination, can imitate them all that ever have been, are, or may be, if they were brought before him. Nothing more variable than voices, yet men can likewise discern them personally: nay, you shall have a buffon or pantomimus will express as many as he pleaseth. Nothing more variable than the differing sounds of words; yet men have found the way to reduce them to a few simple letters. So that it is not the insufficiency or incapacity of man’s mind, but it is the remote standing or placing thereof that breedeth these mazes and incomprehensions; for as the sense afar off is full of mistaking, but is exact at hand, so is it of the understanding, the remedy whereof is, not to quicken or strengthen the organ, but to go nearer to the object; and therefore there is no doubt but if the physicians will learn and use the true approaches and avenues of nature, they may assume as much as the poet saith:

“Et quoniam variant morbi, variabimus artes;

Mille mali species, mille salutis erunt.”

Which that they should do, the nobleness of their art doth deserve: well shadowed by the poets, in that they made Æsculapius to be the son of [the] sun, the one being the fountain of life, the other as the second-stream; but infinitely more honoured by the example of our Saviour, who made the body of man the object of His miracles, as the soul was the object of His doctrine. For we read not that ever He vouchsafed to do any miracle about honour or money (except that one for giving tribute to Cæsar), but only about the preserving, sustaining, and healing the body of man.

(3) Medicine is a science which hath been (as we have said) more professed than la-boured, and yet more laboured than advanced; the labour having been, in my judg-ment, rather in circle than in progression. For I find much iteration, but small addition. It considereth causes of diseases, with the occasions or impulsions; the diseases themselves, with the accidents; and the cures, with the preservations. The deficiences which I think good to note, being a few of many, and those such as are of a more open and manifest nature, I will enumerate and not place.

(4) The first is the discontinuance of the ancient and serious diligence of Hippocrates, which used to set down a narrative of the special cases of his patients, and how they proceeded, and how they were judged by recovery or death. Therefore having an example proper in the father of the art, I shall not need to allege an example foreign, of the wisdom of the lawyers, who are careful to report new cases and decisions, for the direction of future judgments. This continuance of medicinal history I find deficient; which I understand neither to be so infinite as to extend to every common case, nor so reserved as to admit none but wonders: for many things are new in this manner, which are not new in the kind; and if men will intend to observe, they shall find much worthy to observe.

(5) In the inquiry which is made by anatomy, I find much deficience: for they inquire of the parts, and their substances, figures, and collocations; but they inquire not of the diversities of the parts, the secrecies of the passages, and the seats or nestling of the humours, nor much of the footsteps and impressions of diseases. The reason of which omission I suppose to be, because the first inquiry may be satisfied in the view of one or a few anatomies; but the latter, being comparative and casual, must arise from the view of many. And as to the diversity of parts, there is no doubt but the facture or framing of the inward parts is as full of difference as the outward, and in that is the cause continent of many diseases; which not being observed, they quarrel many times with the humours, which are not in fault; the fault being in the very frame and mechanic of the part, which cannot be removed by medicine alterative, but must be accommodated and palliated by diets and medicines familiar. And for the passages and pores, it is true which was anciently noted, that the more subtle of them appear not in anatomies, because they are shut and latent in dead bodies, though they be open and manifest in life: which being supposed, though the inhumanity of anatomia vivorum was by Celsus justly reproved; yet in regard of the great use of this observation, the inquiry needed not by him so slightly to have been relinquished altogether, or referred to the casual practices of surgery; but might have been well diverted upon the dissection of beasts alive, which notwithstanding the dissimilitude of their parts may sufficiently satisfy this inquiry. And for the humours, they are commonly passed over in anatomies as purgaments; whereas it is most necessary to observe, what cavities, nests, and receptacles the humours do find in the parts, with the differing kind of the humour so lodged and received. And as for the footsteps of diseases, and their devastations of the inward parts, impostumations, exulcerations, discontinuations, putrefactions, consumptions, contractions, extensions, convulsions, dislocations, obstructions, repletions, together with all preternatural substances, as stones, carnosities, excrescences, worms, and the like; they ought to have been exactly observed by multitude of anatomies, and the contribution of men’s several experiences, and carefully set down both historically according to the appearances, and artificially with a reference to the diseases and symptoms which resulted from them, in case where the anatomy is of a defunct patient; whereas now upon opening of bodies they are passed over slightly and in silence.

(6) In the inquiry of diseases, they do abandon the cures of many, some as in their nature incurable, and others as past the period of cure; so that Sylla and the Triumvirs never proscribed so many men to die, as they do by their ignorant edicts: whereof numbers do escape with less difficulty than they did in the Roman prescriptions. Therefore I will not doubt to note as a deficience, that they inquire not the perfect cures of many diseases, or extremities of diseases; but pronouncing them incurable do enact a law of neglect, and exempt ignorance from discredit.

(7) Nay further, I esteem it the office of a physician not only to restore health, but to mitigate pain and dolors; and not only when such mitigation may conduce to recovery, but when it may serve to make a fair and easy passage. For it is no small felicity which Augustus Cæsar was wont to wish to himself, that same Euthanasia; and which was specially noted in the death of Antoninus Pius, whose death was after the fashion, and semblance of a kindly and pleasant sheep. So it is written of Epicurus, that after his disease was judged desperate, he drowned his stomach and senses with a large draught and ingurgitation of wine; whereupon the epigram was made, Hinc Stygias ebrius hausit aquas; he was not sober enough to taste any bitterness of the Stygian water. But the physicians contrariwise do make a kind of scruple and religion to stay with the patient after the disease is deplored; whereas in my judgment they ought both to inquire the skill, and to give the attendances, for the facilitating and assuaging of the pains and agonies of death.

(5) In the consideration of the cures of diseases, I find a deficience in the receipts of propriety, respecting the particular cures of diseases: for the physicians have frustrated the fruit of tradition and experience by their magistralities, in adding and taking out and changing quid pro qua in their receipts, at their pleasures; commanding so over the medicine, as the medicine cannot command over the disease. For except it be treacle and mithridatum, and of late diascordium, and a few more, they tie themselves to no receipts severely and religiously. For as to the confections of sale which are in the shops, they are for readiness and not for propriety. For they are upon general intentions of purging, opening, comforting, altering, and not much appropriate to particular diseases. And this is the cause why empirics and old women are more happy many times in their cures than learned physicians, because they are more religious in holding their medicines. Therefore here is the deficience which I find, that physicians have not, partly out of their own practice, partly out of the constant probations reported in books, and partly out of the traditions of empirics, set down and delivered over certain experimental medicines for the cure of particular diseases, besides their own conjectural and magistral descriptions. For as they were the men of the best composition in the state of Rome, which either being consuls inclined to the people, or being tribunes inclined to the senate; so in the matter we now handle, they be the best physicians, which being learned incline to the traditions of experience, or being empirics incline to the methods of learning.

(9) In preparation of medicines I do find strange, specially considering how mineral medicines have been extolled, and that they are safer for the outward than inward parts, that no man hath sought to make an imitation by art of natural baths and medicinable fountains: which nevertheless are confessed to receive their virtues from minerals; and not so only, but discerned and distinguished from what particular mineral they receive tincture, as sulphur, vitriol, steel, or the like; which nature, if it may be reduced to compositions of art, both the variety of them will be increased, and the temper of them will be more commanded.

(10) But lest I grow to be more particular than is agreeable either to my intention or to proportion, I will conclude this part with the note of one deficience more, which seemeth to me of greatest consequence: which is, that the prescripts in use are too compendious to attain their end; for, to my understanding, it is a vain and flattering opinion to think any medicine can be so sovereign or so happy, as that the receipt or miss of it can work any great effect upon the body of man. It were a strange speech which spoken, or spoken oft, should reclaim a man from a vice to which he were by nature subject. It is order, pursuit, sequence, and interchange of application, which is mighty in nature; which although it require more exact knowledge in prescribing, and more precise obedience in observing, yet is recompensed with the magnitude of effects. And although a man would think, by the daily visitations of the physicians, that there were a pursuance in the cure, yet let a man look into their prescripts and ministrations, and he shall find them but inconstancies and every day’s devices, without any settled providence or project. Not that every scrupulous or superstitious prescript is effectual, no more than every straight way is the way to heaven; but the truth of the direction must precede severity of observance.

(11) For cosmetic, it hath parts civil, and parts effeminate: for cleanness of body was ever esteemed to proceed from a due reverence to God, to society, and to ourselves. As for artificial decoration, it is well worthy of the deficiences which it hath; being neither fine enough to deceive, nor handsome to use, nor wholesome to please.

(12) For athletic, I take the subject of it largely, that is to say, for any point of ability whereunto the body of man may be brought, whether it be of activity, or of patience; whereof activity hath two parts, strength and swiftness; and patience likewise hath two parts, hardness against wants and extremities, and endurance of pain or torment; whereof we see the practices in tumblers, in savages, and in those that suffer punishment. Nay, if there be any other faculty which falls not within any of the former divisions, as in those that dive, that obtain a strange power of containing respiration, and the like, I refer it to this part. Of these things the practices are known, but the philosophy that concerneth them is not much inquired; the rather, I think, because they are supposed to be obtained, either by an aptness of nature, which cannot be taught, or only by continual custom, which is soon prescribed which though it be not true, yet I forbear to note any deficiences; for the Olympian games are down long since, and the mediocrity of these things is for use; as for the excellency of them it serveth for the most part but for mercenary ostentation.

(13) For arts of pleasure sensual, the chief deficience in them is of laws to repress them. For as it hath been well observed, that the arts which flourish in times while virtue is in growth, are military; and while virtue is in state, are liberal; and while virtue is in declination, are voluptuary: so I doubt that this age of the world is somewhat upon the descent of the wheel. With arts voluptuary I couple practices joculary; for the deceiving of the senses is one of the pleasures of the senses. As for games of recreation, I hold them to belong to civil life and education. And thus much of that particular human philosophy which concerns the body, which is but the tabernacle of the mind.

XI. 

(1) For human knowledge which concerns the mind, it hath two parts; the one that inquireth of the substance or nature of the soul or mind, the other that inquireth of the faculties or functions thereof. Unto the first of these, the considerations of the original of the soul, whether it be native or adventive, and how far it is exempted from laws of matter, and of the immortality thereof, and many other points, do appertain: which have been not more laboriously inquired than variously reported; so as the travail therein taken seemeth to have been rather in a maze than in a way. But although I am of opinion that this knowledge may be more really and soundly inquired, even in nature, than it hath been, yet I hold that in the end it must be hounded by religion, or else it will be subject to deceit and delusion. For as the substance of the soul in the creation was not extracted out of the mass of heaven and earth by the benediction of a producat, but was immediately inspired from God, so it is not possible that it should be (otherwise than by accident) subject to the laws of heaven and earth, which are the subject of philosophy; and therefore the true knowledge of the nature and state of the soul must come by the same inspiration that gave the substance. Unto this part of knowledge touching the soul there be two appendices; which, as they have been handled, have rather vapoured forth fables than kindled truth: divination and fascination.

(2) Divination hath been anciently and fitly divided into artificial and natural: whereof artificial is, when the mind maketh a prediction by argument, concluding upon signs and tokens; natural is, when the mind hath a presention by an internal power, without the inducement of a sign. Artificial is of two sorts: either when the argument is coupled with a derivation of causes, which is rational; or when it is only grounded upon a coincidence of the effect, which is experimental: whereof the latter for the most part is superstitious, such as were the heathen observations upon the inspection of sacrifices, the flights of birds, the swarming of bees; and such as was the Chaldean astrology, and the like. For artificial divination, the several kinds thereof are distributed amongst particular knowledges. The astronomer hath his predictions, as of conjunctions, aspects, eclipses, and the like. The physician hath his predictions, of death, of recovery, of the accidents and issues of diseases. The politique hath his predictions; O urbem venalem, et cito perituram, si emptorem invenerit! which stayed not long to be performed, in Sylla first, and after in Cæsar: so as these predictions are now impertinent, and to be referred over. But the divination which springeth from the internal nature of the soul is that which we now speak of; which hath been made to be of two sorts, primitive and by influxion. Primitive is grounded upon the supposition that the mind, when it is withdrawn and collected into itself, and not diffused into the organs of the body, hath some extent and latitude of prenotion; which therefore appeareth most in sleep, in ecstasies, and near death, and more rarely in waking apprehensions; and is induced and furthered by those abstinences and observances which make the mind most to consist in itself. By influxion, is grounded upon the conceit that the mind, as a mirror or glass, should take illumination from the foreknowledge of God and spirits: unto which the same regiment doth likewise conduce. For the retiring of the mind within itself is the state which is most suscept-ible of divine influxions; save that it is accompanied in this case with a fervency and elevation (which the ancients noted by fury), and not with a repose and quiet, as it is in the other.

(3) Fascination is the power and act of imagination intensive upon other bodies than the body of the imaginant, for of that we spake in the proper place. Wherein the school of Paracelsus, and the disciples of pretended natural magic, have been so in-temperate, as they have exalted the power of the imagination to be much one with the power of miracle-working faith. Others, that draw nearer to probability, calling to their view the secret passages of things, and specially of the contagion that passeth from body to body, do conceive it should likewise be agreeable to nature that there should be some transmissions and operations from spirit to spirit without the mediation of the senses; whence the conceits have grown (now almost made civil) of the mastering spirit, and the force of confidence, and the like. Incident unto this is the inquiry how to raise and fortify the imagination; for if the imagination fortified have power, then it is material to know how to fortify and exalt it. And herein comes in crookedly and dangerously a palliation of a great part of ceremonial magic. For it may be pretended that ceremonies, characters, and charms do work, not by any tacit or sacramental contract with evil spirits, but serve only to strengthen the imagination of him that useth it; as images are said by the Roman Church to fix the cogitations and raise the devotions of them that pray before them. But for mine own judgment, if it be admitted that imagination hath power, and that ceremonies fortify imagination, and that they be used sincerely and intentionally for that purpose; yet I should hold them unlawful, as opposing to that first edict which God gave unto man, In sudore vultus comedes panem tuum. For they propound those noble effects, which God hath set forth unto man to be bought at the price of labour, to be attained by a few easy and slothful observances. Deficiences in these knowledges I will report none, other than the general deficience, that it is not known how much of them is verity, and how much vanity.

XII. 

(1) The knowledge which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man is of two kinds - the one respecting his understanding and reason, and the other his will, appetite, and affection; whereof the former produceth position or decree, the latter action or execution. It is true that the imagination is an agent or nuncius in both provinces, both the judicial and the ministerial. For sense sendeth over to imagination before reason have judged, and reason sendeth over to imagination before the decree can be acted. For imagination ever precedeth voluntary motion. Saving that this Janus of imagination hath differing faces: for the face towards reason hath the print of truth, but the face towards action hath the print of good; which nevertheless are faces,

“Quales decet esse sororum.”

Neither is the imagination simply and only a messenger; but is invested with, or at least wise usurpeth no small authority in itself, besides the duty of the message. For it was well said by Aristotle, “That the mind hath over the body that commandment, which the lord hath over a bondman; but that reason hath over the imagination that commandment which a magistrate hath over a free citizen,” who may come also to rule in his turn. For we see that, in matters of faith and religion, we raise our imagination above our reason, which is the cause why religion sought ever access to the mind by similitudes, types, parables, visions, dreams. And again, in all persuasions that are wrought by eloquence, and other impressions of like nature, which do paint and disguise the true appearance of things, the chief recommendation unto reason is from the imagination. Nevertheless, because I find not any science that doth properly or fitly pertain to the imagination, I see no cause to alter the former division. For as for poesy, it is rather a pleasure or play of imagination than a work or duty thereof. And if it be a work, we speak not now of such parts of learning as the imagination produceth, but of such sciences as handle and consider of the imagination. No more than we shall speak now of such knowledges as reason produceth (for that extendeth to all philosophy), but of such knowledges as do handle and inquire of the faculty of reason: so as poesy had his true place. As for the power of the imagination in nature, and the manner of fortifying the same, we have mentioned it in the doctrine De Anima, whereunto most fitly it belongeth. And lastly, for imaginative or insinuative reason, which is the subject of rhetoric, we think it best to refer it to the arts of reason. So therefore we content ourselves with the former division, that human philosophy, which respecteth the faculties of the mind of man, hath two parts, rational and moral.

(2) The part of human philosophy which is rational is of all knowledges, to the most wits, the least delightful, and seemeth but a net of subtlety and spinosity. For as it was truly said, that knowledge is pabulum animi; so in the nature of men’s appetite to this food most men are of the taste and stomach of the Israelites in the desert, that would fain have returned ad ollas carnium, and were weary of manna; which, though it were celestial, yet seemed less nutritive and comfortable. So generally men taste well knowledges that are drenched in flesh and blood, civil history, morality, policy, about the which men’s affections, praises, fortunes do turn and are conversant. But this same lumen siccum doth parch and offend most men’s watery and soft natures. But to speak truly of things as they are in worth, rational knowledges are the keys of all other arts, for as Aristotle saith aptly and elegantly, “That the hand is the instrument of instruments, and the mind is the form of forms;” so these be truly said to be the art of arts. Neither do they only direct, but likewise confirm and strengthen; even as the habit of shooting doth not only enable to shoot a nearer shoot, but also to draw a stronger bow.

(3) The arts intellectual are four in number, divided according to the ends whereunto they are referred - for man’s labour is to invent that which is sought or propounded; or to judge that which is invented; or to retain that which is judged; or to deliver over that which is retained. So as the arts must be four - art of inquiry or invention; art of examination or judgment; art of custody or memory; and art of elocution or tradition.

XIII. 

(1) Invention is of two kinds much differing - the one of arts and sciences, and the other of speech and arguments. The former of these I do report deficient; which seemeth to me to be such a deficience as if, in the making of an inventory touching the state of a defunct, it should be set down that there is no ready money. For as money will fetch all other commodities, so this knowledge is that which should purchase all the rest. And like as the West Indies had never been discovered if the use of the mariner’s needle had not been first discovered, though the one be vast regions, and the other a small motion; so it cannot be found strange if sciences be no further discovered, if the art itself of invention and discovery hath been passed over.

(2) That this part of knowledge is wanting, to my judgment standeth plainly con-fessed; for first, logic doth not pretend to invent sciences, or the axioms of sciences, but passeth it over with a cuique in sua arte credendum. And Celsus acknowledgeth it gravely, speaking of the empirical and dogmatical sects of physicians, “That medicines and cures were first found out, and then after the reasons and causes were discoursed; and not the causes first found out, and by light from them the medicines and cures discovered.” And Plato in his “Theætetus” noteth well, “That particulars are infinite, and the higher generalities give no sufficient direction; and that the pith of all sciences, which maketh the artsman differ from the inexpert, is in the middle propositions, which in every particular knowledge are taken from tradition and experience.” And therefore we see, that they which discourse of the inventions and originals of things refer them rather to chance than to art, and rather to beasts, birds, fishes, serpents, than to men.

“Dictamnum genetrix Cretæa carpit ab Ida,

Puberibus caulem foliis et flore camantem

Purpureo; non illa feris incognita capris

Gramina, cum tergo volucres hæsere sagittæ.”

So that it was no marvel (the manner of antiquity being to consecrate inventors) that the Egyptians had so few human idols in their temples, but almost all brute:

“Omnigenumque Deum monstra, et latrator Anubis,

Contra Neptunum, et Venerem, contraque Minervam, &amp;c.”

And if you like better the tradition of the Grecians, and ascribe the first inventions to men, yet you will rather believe that Prometheus first stroke the flints, and marvelled at the spark, than that when he first stroke the flints he expected the spark; and therefore we see the West Indian Prometheus had no intelligence with the European, because of the rareness with them of flint, that gave the first occasion. So as it should seem, that hitherto men are rather beholden to a wild goat for surgery, or to a nightingale for music, or to the ibis for some part of physic, or to the pot-lid that flew open for artillery, or generally to chance or anything else than to logic for the invention of arts and sciences. Neither is the form of invention which Virgil describeth much other:

“Ut varias usus meditande extunderet artes

Paulatim.”

For if you observe the words well, it is no other method than that which brute beasts are capable of, and do put in ure; which is a perpetual intending or practising some one thing, urged and imposed by an absolute necessity of conservation of being. For so Cicero saith very truly, Usus uni rei deditus et naturam et artem sæpe vincit. And therefore if it be said of men,

“Labor omnia vincit

Improbus, et duris urgens in rebus egestas,”

it is likewise said of beasts, Quis psittaco docuit suum χαιρε? Who taught the raven in a drought to throw pebbles into a hollow tree, where she spied water, that the water might rise so as she might come to it? Who taught the bee to sail through such a vast sea or air, and to find the way from a field in a flower a great way off to her hive? Who taught the ant to bite every grain of corn that she burieth in her hill, lest it should take root and grow? Add then the word extundere, which importeth the extreme difficulty, and the word paulatim, which importeth the extreme slowness, and we are where we were, even amongst the Egyptians’ gods; there being little left to the faculty of reason, and nothing to the duty or art, for matter of invention.

(3) Secondly, the induction which the logicians speak of, and which seemeth familiar with Plato, whereby the principles of sciences may be pretended to be invented, and so the middle propositions by derivation from the principles; their form of induction, I say, is utterly vicious and incompetent; wherein their error is the fouler, because it is the duty of art to perfect and exalt nature; but they contrariwise have wronged, abused, and traduced nature. For he that shall attentively observe how the mind doth gather this excellent dew of knowledge, like unto that which the poet speaketh of, Aërei mellis cælestia dona, distilling and contriving it out of particulars natural and artificial, as the flowers of the field and garden, shall find that the mind of herself by nature doth manage and act an induction much better than they describe it. For to conclude upon an enumeration of particulars, without instance contradictory, is no conclusion, but a conjecture; for who can assure (in many subjects) upon those particulars which appear of a side, that there are not other on the contrary side which appear not? As if Samuel should have rested upon those sons of Jesse which were brought before him, and failed of David which was in the field. And this form (to say truth), is so gross, as it had not been possible for wits so subtle as have managed these things to have offered it to the world, but that they hasted to their theories and dogmaticals, and were imperious and scornful toward particulars; which their manner was to use but as lictores and viatores, for sergeants and whifflers, ad summovendam turbam, to make way and make room for their opinions, rather than in their true use and service. Certainly it is a thing may touch a man with a religious wonder, to see how the footsteps of seducement are the very same in divine and human truth; for, as in divine truth man cannot endure to become as a child, so in human, they reputed the attending the inductions (whereof we speak), as if it were a second infancy or childhood.

(4) Thirdly, allow some principles or axioms were rightly induced, yet, nevertheless, certain it is that middle propositions cannot be deduced from them in subject of na-ture by syllogism - that is, by touch and reduction of them to principles in a middle term. It is true that in sciences popular, as moralities, laws, and the like, yea, and divinity (because it pleaseth God to apply Himself to the capacity of the simplest), that form may have use; and in natural philosophy likewise, by way of argument or satisfactory reason, Quæ assensum parit operis effæta est; but the subtlety of nature and operations will not be enchained in those bonds. For arguments consist of proposi-tions, and propositions of words, and words are but the current tokens or marks of popular notions of things; which notions, if they be grossly and variably collected out of particulars, it is not the laborious examination either of consequences of arguments, or of the truth of propositions, that can ever correct that error, being (as the physicians speak) in the first digestion. And, therefore, it was not without cause, that so many excellent philosophers became sceptics and academics, and denied any certainty of knowledge or comprehension; and held opinion that the knowledge of man extended only to appearances and probabilities. It is true that in Socrates it was supposed to be but a form of irony, Scientiam dissimulando simulavit; for he used to disable his knowledge, to the end to enhance his knowledge; like the humour of Tiberius in his beginnings, that would reign, but would not acknowledge so much. And in the later academy, which Cicero embraced, this opinion also of acatalepsia (I doubt) was not held sincerely; for that all those which excelled in copy of speech seem to have chosen that sect, as that which was fittest to give glory to their eloquence and variable discourses; being rather like progresses of pleasure than journeys to an end. But assuredly many scattered in both academies did hold it in subtlety and integrity. But here was their chief error: they charged the deceit upon the senses; which in my judgment (notwithstanding all their cavillations) are very sufficient to certify and report truth, though not always immediately, yet by comparison, by help of instrument, and by producing and urging such things as are too subtle for the sense to some effect comprehensible by the sense, and other like assistance. But they ought to have charged the deceit upon the weakness of the intellectual powers, and upon the manner of collecting and concluding upon the reports of the senses. This I speak, not to disable the mind of man, but to stir it up to seek help; for no man, be he never so cunning or practised, can make a straight line or perfect circle by steadiness of hand, which may be easily done by help of a ruler or compass.

(5) This part of invention, concerning the invention of sciences, I purpose (if God give me leave) hereafter to propound, having digested it into two parts: whereof the one I term experientia literata, and the other interpretatio naturæ; the former being but a degree and rudiment of the latter. But I will not dwell too long, nor speak too great upon a promise.

(6) The invention of speech or argument is not properly an invention; for to invent is to discover that we know not, and not to recover or resummon that which we already know; and the use of this invention is no other but, out of the knowledge whereof our mind is already possessed to draw forth or call before us that which may be per-tinent to the purpose which we take into our consideration. So as to speak truly, it is no invention, but a remembrance or suggestion, with an application; which is the cause why the schools do place it after judgment, as subsequent and not precedent. Nevertheless, because we do account it a chase as well of deer in an enclosed park as in a forest at large, and that it hath already obtained the name, let it be called invention; so as it be perceived and discerned, that the scope and end of this invention is readiness and present use of our knowledge, and not addition or amplification thereof.

(7) To procure this ready use of knowledge there are two courses, preparation and suggestion. The former of these seemeth scarcely a part of knowledge, consisting ra-ther of diligence than of any artificial erudition. And herein Aristotle wittily, but hurtfully, doth deride the sophists near his time, saying, “They did as if one that pro-fessed the art of shoemaking should not teach how to make up a shoe, but only ex-hibit in a readiness a number of shoes of all fashions and sizes.” But yet a man might reply, that if a shoemaker should have no shoes in his shop, but only work as he is bespoken, he should be weakly customed. But our Saviour, speaking of divine know-ledge, saith, “That the kingdom of heaven is like a good householder, that bringeth forth both new and old store;” and we see the ancient writers of rhetoric do give it in precept, that pleaders should have the places, whereof they have most continual use, ready handled in all the variety that may be; as that, to speak for the literal interpretation of the law against equity, and contrary; and to speak for presumptions and inferences against testimony, and contrary. And Cicero himself, being broken unto it by great experience, delivereth it plainly, that whatsoever a man shall have occasion to speak of (if he will take the pains), he may have it in effect premeditate and handled in thesi. So that when he cometh to a particular he shall have nothing to do, but to put to names, and times, and places, and such other circumstances of individuals. We see likewise the exact diligence of Demosthenes; who, in regard of the great force that the entrance and access into causes hath to make a good impression, had ready framed a number of prefaces for orations and speeches. All which authorities and precedents may overweigh Aristotle’s opinion, that would have us change a rich wardrobe for a pair of shears.

(8) But the nature of the collection of this provision or preparatory store, though it be common both to logic and rhetoric, yet having made an entry of it here, where it came first to be spoken of, I think fit to refer over the further handling of it to rhetoric.

(9) The other part of invention, which I term suggestion, doth assign and direct us to certain marks, or places, which may excite our mind to return and produce such knowledge as it hath formerly collected, to the end we may make use thereof. Neither is this use (truly taken) only to furnish argument to dispute, probably with others, but likewise to minister unto our judgment to conclude aright within ourselves. Neither may these places serve only to apprompt our invention, but also to direct our inquiry. For a faculty of wise interrogating is half a knowledge. For as Plato saith, “Whosoever seeketh, knoweth that which he seeketh for in a general notion; else how shall he know it when he hath found it?” And, therefore, the larger your anticipation is, the more direct and compendious is your search. But the same places which will help us what to produce of that which we know already, will also help us, if a man of experience were before us, what questions to ask; or, if we have books and authors to instruct us, what points to search and revolve; so as I cannot report that this part of invention, which is that which the schools call topics, is deficient.

(10) Nevertheless, topics are of two sorts, general and special. The general we have spoken to; but the particular hath been touched by some, but rejected generally as in-artificial and variable. But leaving the humour which hath reigned too much in the schools (which is, to be vainly subtle in a few things which are within their command, and to reject the rest), I do receive particular topics; that is, places or directions of invention and inquiry in every particular knowledge, as things of great use, being mixtures of logic with the matter of sciences. For in these it holdeth ars inveniendi adolescit cum inventis; for as in going of a way, we do not only gain that part of the way which is passed, but we gain the better sight of that part of the way which re-maineth, so every degree of proceeding in a science giveth a light to that which fol-loweth; which light, if we strengthen by drawing it forth into questions or places of inquiry, we do greatly advance our pursuit.

XIV. 

(1) Now we pass unto the arts of judgment, which handle the natures of proofs and demonstrations, which as to induction hath a coincidence with invention; for all in-ductions, whether in good or vicious form, the same action of the mind which in-venteth, judgeth - all one as in the sense. But otherwise it is in proof by syllogism, for the proof being not immediate, but by mean, the invention of the mean is one thing, and the judgment of the consequence is another; the one exciting only, the other ex-amining. Therefore, for the real and exact form of judgment, we refer ourselves to that which we have spoken of interpretation of Nature.

(2) For the other judgment by syllogism, as it is a thing most agreeable to the mind of man, so it hath been vehemently end excellently laboured. For the nature of man doth extremely covet to have somewhat in his understanding fixed and unmovable, and as a rest and support of the mind. And, therefore, as Aristotle endeavoureth to prove, that in all motion there is some point quiescent; and as he elegantly expoundeth the ancient fable of Atlas (that stood fixed, and bare up the heaven from falling) to be meant of the poles or axle-tree of heaven, whereupon the conversion is accomplished, so assuredly men have a desire to have an Atlas or axle-tree within to keep them from fluctuation, which is like to a perpetual peril of falling. Therefore men did hasten to set down some principles about which the variety of their disputatious might turn.

(3) So, then, this art of judgment is but the reduction of propositions to principles in a middle term. The principles to be agreed by all and exempted from argument; the middle term to be elected at the liberty of every man’s invention; the reduction to be of two kinds, direct and inverted: the one when the proposition is reduced to the principle, which they term a probation ostensive; the other, when the contradictory of the proposition is reduced to the contradictory of the principle, which is that which they call per incommodum, or pressing an absurdity; the number of middle terms to be as the proposition standeth degrees more or less removed from the principle.

(4) But this art hath two several methods of doctrine, the one by way of direction, the other by way of caution: the former frameth and setteth down a true form of consequence, by the variations and deflections from which errors and inconsequences may be exactly judged. Toward the composition and structure of which form it is incident to handle the parts thereof, which are propositions, and the parts of propositions, which are simple words. And this is that part of logic which is com-prehended in the Analytics.

(5) The second method of doctrine was introduced for expedite use and assurance sake, discovering the more subtle forms of sophisms and illaqueations with their re-dargutions, which is that which is termed elenches. For although in the more gross sorts of fallacies it happeneth (as Seneca maketh the comparison well) as in juggling feats, which, though we know not how they are done, yet we know well it is not as it seemeth to be; yet the more subtle sort of them doth not only put a man besides his answer, but doth many times abuse his judgment.

(6) This part concerning elenches is excellently handled by Aristotle in precept, but more excellently by Plato in example; not only in the persons of the sophists, but even in Socrates himself, who, professing to affirm nothing, but to infirm that which was affirmed by another, hath exactly expressed all the forms of objection, fallace, and redargution. And although we have said that the use of this doctrine is for redargution, yet it is manifest the degenerate and corrupt use is for caption and contradiction, which passeth for a great faculty, and no doubt is of very great advantage, though the difference be good which was made between orators and sophisters, that the one is as the greyhound, which hath his advantage in the race, and the other as the hare, which hath her advantage in the turn, so as it is the advantage of the weaker creature.

(7) But yet further, this doctrine of elenches hath a more ample latitude and extent than is perceived; namely, unto divers parts of knowledge, whereof some are laboured and other omitted. For first, I conceive (though it may seem at first somewhat strange) that that part which is variably referred, sometimes to logic, sometimes to metaphysic, touching the common adjuncts of essences, is but an elenche; for the great sophism of all sophisms being equivocation or ambiguity of words and phrase, specially of such words as are most general and intervene in every inquiry, it seemeth to me that the true and fruitful use (leaving vain subtleties and speculations) of the inquiry of majority, minority, priority, posteriority, identity, diversity, possibility, act, totality, parts, existence, privation, and the like, are but wise cautions against ambiguities of speech. So, again, the distribution of things into certain tribes, which we call categories or predicaments, are but cautions against the confusion of definitions and divisions.

(8) Secondly, there is a seducement that worketh by the strength of the impression, and not by the subtlety of the illaqueation - not so much perplexing the reason, as overruling it by power of the imagination. But this part I think more proper to handle when I shall speak of rhetoric.

(9) But lastly, there is yet a much more important and profound kind of fallacies in the mind of man, which I find not observed or inquired at all, and think good to place here, as that which of all others appertaineth most to rectify judgment, the force whereof is such as it doth not dazzle or snare the understanding in some particulars, but doth more generally and inwardly infect and corrupt the state thereof. For the mind of man is far from the nature of a clear and equal glass, wherein the beams of things should reflect according to their true incidence; nay, it is rather like an enchanted glass, full of superstition and imposture, if it be not delivered and reduced. For this purpose, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by the general nature of the mind, beholding them in an example or two; as first, in that instance which is the root of all superstition, namely, that to the nature of the mind of all men it is consonant for the affirmative or active to affect more than the negative or privative. So that a few times hitting or presence countervails ofttimes failing or absence, as was well answered by Diagoras to him that showed him in Neptune’s temple the great number of pictures of such as had escaped shipwreck, and had paid their vows to Neptune, saying, “Advise now, you that think it folly to invocate Neptune in tempest.” “Yea, but,” saith Diagoras, “where are they painted that are drowned?” Let us behold it in another instance, namely, that the spirit of man, being of an equal and uniform substance, doth usually suppose and feign in nature a greater equality and uniformity than is in truth. Hence it cometh that the mathematicians cannot satisfy themselves except they reduce the motions of the celestial bodies to perfect circles, rejecting spiral lines, and labouring to be discharged of eccentrics. Hence it cometh that whereas there are many things in Nature as it were monodica, sui juris, yet the cogitations of man do feign unto them relatives, parallels, and conjugates, whereas no such thing is; as they have feigned an element of fire to keep square with earth, water, and air, and the like. Nay, it is not credible, till it be opened, what a number of fictions and fantasies the similitude of human actions and arts, together with the making of man communis mensura, have brought into natural philosophy; not much better than the heresy of the Anthropomorphites, bred in the cells of gross and solitary monks, and the opinion of Epicurus, answerable to the same in heathenism, who supposed the gods to be of human shape. And, therefore, Velleius the Epicurean needed not to have asked why God should have adorned the heavens with stars, as if He had been an ædilis, one that should have set forth some magnificent shows or plays. For if that great Work-master had been of a human disposition, He would have cast the stars into some pleasant and beautiful works and orders like the frets in the roofs of houses; whereas one can scarce find a posture in square, or triangle, or straight line, amongst such an infinite number, so differing a harmony there is between the spirit of man and the spirit of Nature.

(10) Let us consider again the false appearances imposed upon us by every man’s own individual nature and custom in that feigned supposition that Plato maketh of the cave; for certainly if a child were continued in a grot or cave under the earth until maturity of age, and came suddenly abroad, he would have strange and absurd im-aginations. So, in like manner, although our persons live in the view of heaven, yet our spirits are included in the caves of our own complexions and customs, which minister unto us infinite errors and vain opinions if they be not recalled to examination. But hereof we have given many examples in one of the errors, or peccant humours, which we ran briefly over in our first book.

(11) And lastly, let us consider the false appearances that are imposed upon us by words, which are framed and applied according to the conceit and capacities of the vulgar sort; and although we think we govern our words, and prescribe it well lo-quendum ut vulgus sentiendum ut sapientes, yet certain it is that words, as a Tartar’s bow, do shoot back upon the understanding of the wisest, and mightily entangle and pervert the judgment. So as it is almost necessary in all controversies and disputations to imitate the wisdom of the mathematicians, in setting down in the very beginning the definitions of our words and terms, that others may know how we accept and understand them, and whether they concur with us or no. For it cometh to pass, for want of this, that we are sure to end there where we ought to have begun, which is, in questions and differences about words. To conclude, therefore, it must be confessed that it is not possible to divorce ourselves from these fallacies and false appearances because they are inseparable from our nature and condition of life; so yet, nevertheless, the caution of them (for all elenches, as was said, are but cautions) doth extremely import the true conduct of human judgment. The particular elenches or cautions against these three false appearances I find altogether deficient.

(12) There remaineth one part of judgment of great excellency which to mine under-standing is so slightly touched, as I may report that also deficient; which is the appli-cation of the differing kinds of proofs to the differing kinds of subjects. For there being but four kinds of demonstrations, that is, by the immediate consent of the mind or sense, by induction, by syllogism, and by congruity, which is that which Aris-totle calleth demonstration in orb or circle, and not a notioribus, every of these hath certain subjects in the matter of sciences, in which respectively they have chiefest use; and certain others, from which respectively they ought to be excluded; and the rigour and curiosity in requiring the more severe proofs in some things, and chiefly the facility in contenting ourselves with the more remiss proofs in others, hath been amongst the greatest causes of detriment and hindrance to knowledge. The distributions and assignations of demonstrations according to the analogy of sciences I note as deficient.

XV. 

(1) The custody or retaining of knowledge is either in writing or memory; whereof writing hath two parts, the nature of the character and the order of the entry. For the art of characters, or other visible notes of words or things, it hath nearest conjugation with grammar, and, therefore, I refer it to the due place; for the disposition and collocation of that knowledge which we preserve in writing, it consisteth in a good digest of common-places, wherein I am not ignorant of the prejudice imputed to the use of common-place books, as causing a retardation of reading, and some sloth or relaxation of memory. But because it is but a counterfeit thing in knowledges to be forward and pregnant, except a man be deep and full, I hold the entry of common-places to be a matter of great use and essence in studying, as that which assureth copy of invention, and contracteth judgment to a strength. But this is true, that of the methods of common-places that I have seen, there is none of any sufficient worth, all of them carrying merely the face of a school and not of a world; and referring to vulgar matters and pedantical divisions, without all life or respect to action.

(2) For the other principal part of the custody of knowledge, which is memory, I find that faculty in my judgment weakly inquired of. An art there is extant of it; but it seemeth to me that there are better precepts than that art, and better practices of that art than those received. It is certain the art (as it is) may be raised to points of ostentation prodigious; but in use (as is now managed) it is barren, not burdensome, nor dangerous to natural memory, as is imagined, but barren, that is, not dexterous to be applied to the serious use of business and occasions. And, therefore, I make no more estimation of repeating a great number of names or words upon once hearing, or the pouring forth of a number of verses or rhymes extempore, or the making of a satirical simile of everything, or the turning of everything to a jest, or the falsifying or contradicting of everything by cavil, or the like (whereof in the faculties of the mind there is great copy, and such as by device and practice may be exalted to an extreme degree of wonder), than I do of the tricks of tumblers, funambuloes, baladines; the one being the same in the mind that the other is in the body, matters of strangeness without worthiness.

(3) This art of memory is but built upon two intentions; the one prenotion, the other emblem. Prenotion dischargeth the indefinite seeking of that we would remember, and directeth us to seek in a narrow compass, that is, somewhat that hath congruity with our place of memory. Emblem reduceth conceits intellectual to images sensible, which strike the memory more; out of which axioms may be drawn much better practice than that in use; and besides which axioms, there are divers more touching help of memory not inferior to them. But I did in the beginning distinguish, not to report those things deficient, which are but only ill managed.

XVI. 

(1) There remaineth the fourth kind of rational knowledge, which is transitive, con-cerning the expressing or transferring our knowledge to others, which I will term by the general name of tradition or delivery. Tradition hath three parts: the first concerning the organ of tradition; the second concerning the method of tradition; and the third concerning the illustration of tradition.

(2) For the organ of tradition, it is either speech or writing; for Aristotle saith well, “Words are the images of cogitations, and letters are the images of words.” But yet it is not of necessity that cogitations be expressed by the medium of words. For what-soever is capable of sufficient differences, and those perceptible by the sense, is in nature competent to express cogitations. And, therefore, we see in the commerce of barbarous people that understand not one another’s language, and in the practice of divers that are dumb and deaf, that men’s minds are expressed in gestures, though not exactly, yet to serve the turn. And we understand further, that it is the use of China and the kingdoms of the High Levant to write in characters real, which express neither letters nor words in gross, but things or notions; insomuch as countries and provinces which understand not one another’s language can nevertheless read one another’s writings, because the characters are accepted more generally than the languages do extend; and, therefore, they have a vast multitude of characters, as many, I suppose, as radical words.

(3) These notes of cogitations are of two sorts: the one when the note hath some similitude or congruity with the notion; the other ad placitum, having force only by contract or acceptation. Of the former sort are hieroglyphics and gestures. For as to hieroglyphics (things of ancient use and embraced chiefly by the Egyptians, one of the most ancient nations), they are but as continued impresses and emblems. And as for gestures, they are as transitory hieroglyphics, and are to hieroglyphics as words spoken are to words written, in that they abide not; but they have evermore, as well as the other, an affinity with the things signified. As Periander, being consulted with how to preserve a tyranny newly usurped, bid the messenger attend and report what he saw him do; and went into his garden and topped all the highest flowers, signifying that it consisted in the cutting off and keeping low of the nobility and grandees. Ad placitum, are the characters real before mentioned, and words: although some have been willing by curious inquiry, or rather by apt feigning, to have derived imposition of names from reason and intendment; a speculation elegant, and, by reason it searcheth into antiquity, reverent, but sparingly mixed with truth, and of small fruit. This portion of knowledge touching the notes of things and cogitations in general, I find not inquired, but deficient. And although it may seem of no great use, considering that words and writings by letters do far excel all the other ways; yet because this part concerneth, as it were, the mint of knowledge (for words are the tokens current and accepted for conceits, as moneys are for values, and that it is fit men be not ignorant that moneys may be of another kind than gold and silver), I thought good to propound it to better inquiry.

(4) Concerning speech and words, the consideration of them hath produced the science of grammar. For man still striveth to reintegrate himself in those benedictions, from which by his fault he hath been deprived; and as he hath striven against the first general curse by the invention of all other arts, so hath he sought to come forth of the second general curse (which was the confusion of tongues) by the art of grammar; whereof the use in a mother tongue is small, in a foreign tongue more; but most in such foreign tongues as have ceased to be vulgar tongues, and are turned only to learned tongues. The duty of it is of two natures: the one popular, which is for the speedy and perfect attaining languages, as well for intercourse of speech as for understanding of authors; the other philosophical, examining the power and nature of words, as they are the footsteps and prints of reason: which kind of analogy between words and reason is handled sparsim, brokenly though not entirely; and, therefore, I cannot report it deficient, though I think it very worthy to be reduced into a science by itself.

(5) Unto grammar also belongeth, as an appendix, the consideration of the accidents of words; which are measure, sound, and elevation or accent, and the sweetness and harshness of them: whence hath issued some curious observations in rhetoric, but chiefly poesy, as we consider it, in respect of the verse and not of the argument. Wherein though men in learned tongues do tie themselves to the ancient measures, yet in modern languages it seemeth to me as free to make new measures of verses as of dances; for a dance is a measured pace, as a verse is a measured speech. In these things this sense is better judge than the art:

“Cœnæ fercula nostræ

Mallem convivis quam placuisse cocis.”

And of the servile expressing antiquity in an unlike and an unfit subject, it is well said, “Quod tempore antiquum videtur, id incongruitate est maxime novum.”

(6) For ciphers, they are commonly in letters or alphabets, but may be in words. The kinds of ciphers (besides the simple ciphers, with changes, and intermixtures of nulls and non-significants) are many, according to the nature or rule of the infolding, wheel-ciphers, key-ciphers, doubles, &amp;c. But the virtues of them, whereby they are to be preferred, are three; that they be not laborious to write and read; that they be im-possible to decipher; and, in some cases, that they be without suspicion. The highest degree whereof is to write omnia per omnia; which is undoubtedly possible, with a proportion quintuple at most of the writing infolding to the writing infolded, and no other restraint whatsoever. This art of ciphering hath for relative an art of deciphering, by supposition unprofitable, but, as things are, of great use. For suppose that ciphers were well managed, there be multitudes of them which exclude the decipherer. But in regard of the rawness and unskilfulness of the hands through which they pass, the greatest matters are many times carried in the weakest ciphers.

(7) In the enumeration of these private and retired arts it may be thought I seek to make a great muster-roll of sciences, naming them for show and ostentation, and to little other purpose. But let those, which are skilful in them, judge whether I bring them in only for appearance, or whether in that which I speak of them (though in few words) there be not some seed of proficience. And this must be remembered, that as there be many of great account in their countries and provinces, which, when they come up to the seat of the estate, are but of mean rank and scarcely regarded; so these arts, being here placed with the principal and supreme sciences, seem petty things: yet to such as have chosen them to spend their labours and studies in them, they seem great matters.

XVII. 

(1) For the method of tradition, I see it hath moved a controversy in our time. But as in civil business, if there be a meeting, and men fall at words, there is commonly an end of the matter for that time, and no proceeding at all; so in learning, where there is much controversy, there is many times little inquiry. For this part of knowledge of method seemeth to me so weakly inquired as I shall report it deficient.

(2) Method hath been placed, and that not amiss, in logic, as a part of judgment. For as the doctrine of syllogisms comprehendeth the rules of judgment upon that which is invented, so the doctrine of method containeth the rules of judgment upon that which is to be delivered; for judgment precedeth delivery, as it followeth invention. Neither is the method or the nature of the tradition material only to the use of knowledge, but likewise to the progression of knowledge: for since the labour and life of one man cannot attain to perfection of knowledge, the wisdom of the tradition is that which inspireth the felicity of continuance and proceeding. And therefore the most real diversity of method is of method referred to use, and method referred to progression: whereof the one may be termed magistral, and the other of probation.

(3) The latter whereof seemeth to be via deserta et interclusa. For as knowledges are now delivered, there is a kind of contract of error between the deliverer and the receiver. For he that delivereth knowledge desireth to deliver it in such form as may be best believed, and not as may be best examined; and he that receiveth knowledge desireth rather present satisfaction than expectant inquiry; and so rather not to doubt, than not to err: glory making the author not to lay open his weakness, and sloth making the disciple not to know his strength.

(4) But knowledge that is delivered as a thread to be spun on ought to be delivered and intimated, if it were possible, in the same method wherein it was invented: and so is it possible of knowledge induced. But in this same anticipated and prevented knowledge, no man knoweth how he came to the knowledge which he hath obtained. But yet, nevertheless, secundum majus et minus, a man may revisit and descend unto the foundations of his knowledge and consent; and so transplant it into another, as it grew in his own mind. For it is in knowledges as it is in plants: if you mean to use the plant, it is no matter for the roots - but if you mean to remove it to grow, then it is more assured to rest upon roots than slips: so the delivery of knowledges (as it is now used) is as of fair bodies of trees without the roots; good for the carpenter, but not for the planter. But if you will have sciences grow, it is less matter for the shaft or body of the tree, so you look well to the taking up of the roots. Of which kind of delivery the method of the mathematics, in that subject, hath some shadow: but generally I see it neither put in use nor put in inquisition, and therefore note it for deficient.

(5) Another diversity of method there is, which hath some affinity with the former, used in some cases by the discretion of the ancients, but disgraced since by the im-postures of many vain persons, who have made it as a false light for their counterfeit merchandises; and that is enigmatical and disclosed. The pretence whereof is, to re-move the vulgar capacities from being admitted to the secrets of knowledges, and to reserve them to selected auditors, or wits of such sharpness as can pierce the veil.

(6) Another diversity of method, whereof the consequence is great, is the delivery of knowledge in aphorisms, or in methods; wherein we may observe that it hath been too much taken into custom, out of a few axioms or observations upon any subject, to make a solemn and formal art, filling it with some discourses, and illustrating it with examples, and digesting it into a sensible method. But the writing in aphorisms hath many excellent virtues, whereto the writing in method doth not approach.

(7) For first, it trieth the writer, whether he be superficial or solid: for aphorisms, except they should be ridiculous, cannot be made but of the pith and heart of sciences; for discourse of illustration is cut off; recitals of examples are cut off; discourse of connection and order is cut off; descriptions of practice are cut off. So there remaineth nothing to fill the aphorisms but some good quantity of observation; and therefore no man can suffice, nor in reason will attempt, to write aphorisms, but he that is sound and grounded. But in methods,

“Tantum series juncturaque pollet,

Tantum de medio sumptis accedit honoris,”

as a man shall make a great show of an art, which, if it were disjointed, would come to little. Secondly, methods are more fit to win consent or belief, but less fit to point to action; for they carry a kind of demonstration in orb or circle, one part illuminating another, and therefore satisfy. But particulars being dispersed do best agree with dispersed directions. And lastly, aphorisms, representing a knowledge broken, do invite men to inquire further; whereas methods, carrying the show of a total, do secure men, as if they were at furthest.

(8) Another diversity of method, which is likewise of great weight, is the handling of knowledge by assertions and their proofs, or by questions and their determinations. The latter kind whereof, if it be immoderately followed, is as prejudicial to the pro-ceeding of learning as it is to the proceeding of an army to go about to besiege every little fort or hold. For if the field be kept, and the sum of the enterprise pursued, those smaller things will come in of themselves: indeed a man would not leave some important piece enemy at his back. In like manner, the use of confutation in the deli-very of sciences ought to be very sparing; and to serve to remove strong preoccupations and prejudgments, and not to minister and excite disputatious and doubts.

(9) Another diversity of method is, according to the subject or matter which is handled. For there is a great difference in delivery of the mathematics, which are the most abstracted of knowledges, and policy, which is the most immersed. And howsoever contention hath been moved, touching a uniformity of method in multiformity of matter, yet we see how that opinion, besides the weakness of it, hath been of ill desert towards learning, as that which taketh the way to reduce learning to certain empty and barren generalities; being but the very husks and shells of sciences, all the kernel being forced out and expulsed with the torture and press of the method. And, therefore, as I did allow well of particular topics for invention, so I do allow likewise of particular methods of tradition.

(10) Another diversity of judgment in the delivery and teaching of knowledge is, ac-cording unto the light and presuppositions of that which is delivered. For that know-ledge which is new, and foreign from opinions received, is to be delivered in another form than that that is agreeable and familiar; and therefore Aristotle, when he thinks to tax Democritus, doth in truth commend him, where he saith “If we shall indeed dispute, and not follow after similitudes,” &amp;c. For those whose conceits are seated in popular opinions need only but to prove or dispute; but those whose conceits are beyond popular opinions, have a double labour; the one to make themselves con-ceived, and the other to prove and demonstrate. So that it is of necessity with them to have recourse to similitudes and translations to express themselves. And therefore in the infancy of learning, and in rude times when those conceits which are now trivial were then new, the world was full of parables and similitudes; for else would men either have passed over without mark, or else rejected for paradoxes that which was offered, before they had understood or judged. So in divine learning, we see how frequent parables and tropes are, for it is a rule, that whatsoever science is not con-sonant to presuppositions must pray in aid of similitudes.

(11) There be also other diversities of methods vulgar and received: as that of reso-lution or analysis, of constitution or systasis, of concealment or cryptic, &amp;c., which I do allow well of, though I have stood upon those which are least handled and observed. All which I have remembered to this purpose, because I would erect and constitute one general inquiry (which seems to me deficient) touching the wisdom of tradition.

(12) But unto this part of knowledge, concerning method, doth further belong not only the architecture of the whole frame of a work, but also the several beams and columns thereof; not as to their stuff, but as to their quantity and figure. And therefore method considereth not only the disposition of the argument or subject, but likewise the propositions: not as to their truth or matter, but as to their limitation and manner. For herein Ramus merited better a great deal in reviving the good rules of propositions - Καθολον πρωτον, κυτα παντος &amp;c. - than he did in introducing the canker of epitomes; and yet (as it is the condition of human things that, according to the ancient fables, “the most precious things have the most pernicious keepers”) it was so, that the attempt of the one made him fall upon the other. For he had need be well conducted that should design to make axioms convertible, if he make them not withal circular, and non-promovent, or incurring into themselves; but yet the intention was excellent.

(13) The other considerations of method, concerning propositions, are chiefly touching the utmost propositions, which limit the dimensions of sciences: for every knowledge may be fitly said, besides the profundity (which is the truth and substance of it, that makes it solid), to have a longitude and a latitude; accounting the latitude towards other sciences, and the longitude towards action; that is, from the greatest generality to the most particular precept. The one giveth rule how far one knowledge ought to intermeddle within the province of another, which is the rule they call Καθαυτο; the other giveth rule unto what degree of particularity a knowledge should descend: which latter I find passed over in silence, being in my judgment the more material. For certainty there must be somewhat left to practice; but how much is worthy the inquiry? We see remote and superficial generalities do but offer knowledge to scorn of practical men; and are no more aiding to practice than an Ortelius’ universal map is to direct the way between London and York. The better sort of rules have been not unfitly compared to glasses of steel unpolished, where you may see the images of things, but first they must be filed: so the rules will help if they be laboured and polished by practice. But how crystalline they may be made at the first, and how far forth they may be polished aforehand, is the question, the inquiry whereof seemeth to me deficient.

(14) There hath been also laboured and put in practice a method, which is not a lawful method, but a method of imposture: which is, to deliver knowledges in such manner as men may speedily come to make a show of learning, who have it not. Such was the travail of Raymundus Lullius in making that art which bears his name; not unlike to some books of typocosmy, which have been made since; being nothing but a mass of words of all arts, to give men countenance, that those which use the terms might be thought to understand the art; which collections are much like a fripper’s or broker’s shop, that hath ends of everything, but nothing of worth.

XVIII. 

(1) Now we descend to that part which concerneth the illustration of tradition, com-prehended in that science which we call rhetoric, or art of eloquence, a science excellent, and excellently well laboured. For although in true value it is inferior to wisdom (as it is said by God to Moses, when he disabled himself for want of this faculty, “Aaron shall be thy speaker, and thou shalt be to him as God”), yet with people it is the more mighty; for so Solomon saith, Sapiens corde appellabitur prudens, sed dulcis eloquio majora reperiet, signifying that profoundness of wisdom will help a man to a name or admiration, but that it is eloquence that prevaileth in an active life. And as to the labouring of it, the emulation of Aristotle with the rhetoricians of his time, and the experience of Cicero, hath made them in their works of rhetoric exceed themselves. Again, the excellency of examples of eloquence in the orations of Demosthenes and Cicero, added to the perfection of the precepts of eloquence, hath doubled the progression in this art; and therefore the deficiences which I shall note will rather be in some collections, which may as handmaids attend the art, than in the rules or use of the art itself.

(2) Notwithstanding, to stir the earth a little about the roots of this science, as we have done of the rest, the duty and office of rhetoric is to apply reason to imagination for the better moving of the will. For we see reason is disturbed in the administration thereof by three means - by illaqueation or sophism, which pertains to logic; by imagination or impression, which pertains to rhetoric; and by passion or affection, which pertains to morality. And as in negotiation with others, men are wrought by cunning, by importunity, and by vehemency; so in this negotiation within ourselves, men are undermined by inconsequences, solicited and importuned by impressions or observations, and transported by passions. Neither is the nature of man so unfortu-nately built, as that those powers and arts should have force to disturb reason, and not to establish and advance it. For the end of logic is to teach a form of argument to secure reason, and not to entrap it; the end of morality is to procure the affections to obey reason, and not to invade it; the end of rhetoric is to fill the imagination to second reason, and not to oppress it; for these abuses of arts come in but ex oblique, for caution.

(3) And therefore it was great injustice in Plato, though springing out of a just hatred to the rhetoricians of his time, to esteem of rhetoric but as a voluptuary art, resembling it to cookery, that did mar wholesome meats, and help unwholesome by variety of sauces to the pleasure of the taste. For we see that speech is much more conversant in adorning that which is good than in colouring that which is evil; for there is no man but speaketh more honestly than he can do or think; and it was excellently noted by Thucydides, in Cleon, that because he used to hold on the bad side in causes of estate, therefore he was ever inveighing against eloquence and good speech, knowing that no man can speak fair of courses sordid and base. And therefore, as Plato said elegantly, “That virtue, if she could be seen, would move great love and affection;” so seeing that she cannot be showed to the sense by corporal shape, the next degree is to show her to the imagination in lively representation; for to show her to reason only in subtlety of argument was a thing ever derided in Chrysippus and many of the Stoics, who thought to thrust virtue upon men by sharp disputations and conclusions, which have no sympathy with the will of man.

(4) Again, if the affections in themselves were pliant and obedient to reason, it were true there should be no great use of persuasions and insinuations to the will, more than of naked proposition and proofs; but in regard of the continual mutinies and seditious of the affections -

“Video meliora, proboque,

Deteriora sequor,”

reason would become captive and servile, if eloquence of persuasions did not practise and win the imagination from the affections’ part, and contract a confederacy between the reason and imagination against the affections; for the affections themselves carry ever an appetite to good, as reason doth. The difference is, that the affection beholdeth merely the present; reason beholdeth the future and sum of time. And, therefore, the present filling the imagination more, reason is commonly vanquished; but after that force of eloquence and persuasion hath made things future and remote appear as present, then upon the revolt of the imagination reason prevaileth.

(5) We conclude, therefore, that rhetoric can be no more charged with the colouring of the worst part, than logic with sophistry, or morality with vice; for we know the doctrines of contraries are the same, though the use be opposite. It appeareth also that logic differeth from rhetoric, not only as the fist from the palm - the one close, the other at large - but much more in this, that logic handleth reason exact and in truth, and rhetoric handleth it as it is planted in popular opinions and manners. And therefore Aristotle doth wisely place rhetoric as between logic on the one side, and moral or civil knowledge on the other, as participating of both; for the proofs and demonstrations of logic are toward all men indifferent and the same, but the proofs and persuasions of rhetoric ought to differ according to the auditors:

“Orpheus in sylvis, inter delphinas Arion.”

Which application in perfection of idea ought to extend so far that if a man should speak of the same thing to several persons, he should speak to them all respectively and several ways; though this politic part of eloquence in private speech it is easy for the greatest orators to want: whilst, by the observing their well-graced forms of speech, they leese the volubility of application; and therefore it shall not be amiss to recommend this to better inquiry, not being curious whether we place it here or in that part which concerneth policy.

(6) Now therefore will I descend to the deficiences, which, as I said, are but attendances; and first, I do not find the wisdom and diligence of Aristotle well pursued, who began to make a collection of the popular signs and colours of good and evil, both simple and comparative, which are as the sophisms of rhetoric (as I touched before). For example -

“Sophisma.

Quod laudatur, bonum: quod vituperatur, malum.

Redargutio.

Laudat venales qui vult extrudere merces.”

Malum est, malum est (inquit emptor): sed cum recesserit, tum gloriabitur! The defects in the labour of Aristotle are three - one, that there be but a few of many; another, that there elenches are not annexed; and the third, that he conceived but a part of the use of them: for their use is not only in probation, but much more in impression. For many forms are equal in signification which are differing in impression, as the difference is great in the piercing of that which is sharp and that which is flat, though the strength of the percussion be the same. For there is no man but will be a little more raised by hearing it said, “Your enemies will be glad of this” -

“Hoc Ithacus velit, et magno mercentur Atridæ.”

than by hearing it said only, “This is evil for you.”

(7) Secondly, I do resume also that which I mentioned before, touching provision or preparatory store for the furniture of speech and readiness of invention, which ap-peareth to be of two sorts: the one in resemblance to a shop of pieces unmade up, the other to a shop of things ready made up; both to be applied to that which is frequent and most in request. The former of these I will call antitheta, and the latter formulæ.

(8) Antitheta are theses argued pro et contra, wherein men may be more large and la-borious; but (in such as are able to do it) to avoid prolixity of entry, I wish the seeds of the several arguments to be cast up into some brief and acute sentences, not to be cited, but to be as skeins or bottoms of thread, to be unwinded at large when they come to be used; supplying authorities and examples by reference.

“Pro verbis legis.

Non est interpretatio, sed divinatio, quæ recedit a litera:

Cum receditur a litera, judex transit in legislatorem.

Pro sententia legis.

Ex omnibus verbis est eliciendus sensus qui interpretatur singula.”

(9) Formulæ are but decent and apt passages or conveyances of speech, which may serve indifferently for differing subjects; as of preface, conclusion, digression, transi-tion, excusation, &amp;c. For as in buildings there is great pleasure and use in the well casting of the staircases, entries, doors, windows, and the like; so in speech, the con-veyances and passages are of special ornament and effect.

“A conclusion in a deliberative.

So may we redeem the faults passed, and prevent the inconveniences future.”

XIX. 

(1) There remain two appendices touching the tradition of knowledge, the one critical, the other pedantical. For all knowledge is either delivered by teachers, or attained by men’s proper endeavours: and therefore as the principal part of tradition of knowledge concerneth chiefly writing of books, so the relative part thereof concerneth reading of books; whereunto appertain incidently these considerations. The first is concerning the true correction and edition of authors; wherein nevertheless rash diligence hath done great prejudice. For these critics have often presumed that that which they understand not is false set down: as the priest that, where he found it written of St. Paul Demissus est per sportam, mended his book, and made it Demissus est per portam; because sporta was a hard word, and out of his reading: and surely their errors, though they be not so palpable and ridiculous, yet are of the same kind. And therefore, as it hath been wisely noted, the most corrected copies are commonly the least correct.

The second is concerning the exposition and explication of authors, which resteth in annotations and commentaries: wherein it is over usual to blanch the obscure places and discourse upon the plain.

The third is concerning the times, which in many cases give great light to true inter-pretations.

The fourth is concerning some brief censure and judgment of the authors; that men thereby may make some election unto themselves what books to read.

And the fifth is concerning the syntax and disposition of studies; that men may know in what order or pursuit to read.

(2) For pedantical knowledge, it containeth that difference of tradition which is proper for youth; whereunto appertain divers considerations of great fruit.

As first, the timing and seasoning of knowledges; as with what to initiate them, and from what for a time to refrain them.

Secondly, the consideration where to begin with the easiest, and so proceed to the more difficult; and in what courses to press the more difficult, and then to turn them to the more easy; for it is one method to practise swimming with bladders, and another to practise dancing with heavy shoes.

A third is the application of learning according unto the propriety of the wits; for there is no defect in the faculties intellectual, but seemeth to have a proper cure contained in some studies: as, for example, if a child be bird-witted, that is, hath not the faculty of attention, the mathematics giveth a remedy thereunto; for in them, if the wit be caught away but a moment, one is new to begin. And as sciences have a propriety towards faculties for cure and help, so faculties or powers have a sympathy towards sciences for excellency or speedy profiting: and therefore it is an inquiry of great wisdom, what kinds of wits and natures are most apt and proper for what sciences.

Fourthly, the ordering of exercises is matter of great consequence to hurt or help: for, as is well observed by Cicero, men in exercising their faculties, if they be not well advised, do exercise their faults and get ill habits as well as good; so as there is a great judgment to be had in the continuance and intermission of exercises. It were too long to particularise a number of other considerations of this nature, things but of mean appearance, but of singular efficacy. For as the wronging or cherishing of seeds or young plants is that that is most important to their thriving, and as it was noted that the first six kings being in truth as tutors of the state of Rome in the infancy thereof was the principal cause of the immense greatness of that state which followed, so the culture and manurance of minds in youth hath such a forcible (though unseen) operation, as hardly any length of time or contention of labour can countervail it afterwards. And it is not amiss to observe also how small and mean faculties gotten by education, yet when they fall into great men or great matters, do work great and important effects: whereof we see a notable example in Tacitus of two stage players, Percennius and Vibulenus, who by their faculty of playing put the Pannonian armies into an extreme tumult and combustion. For there arising a mutiny amongst them upon the death of Augustus Cæsar, Blæsus the lieutenant had committed some of the mutineers, which were suddenly rescued; whereupon Vibulenus got to be heard speak, which he did in this manner:- “These poor innocent wretches appointed to cruel death, you have restored to behold the light; but who shall restore my brother to me, or life unto my brother, that was sent hither in message from the legions of Germany, to treat of the common cause? and he hath murdered him this last night by some of his fencers and ruffians, that he hath about him for his executioners upon soldiers. Answer, Blæsus, what is done with his body? The mortalest enemies do not deny burial. When I have performed my last duties to the corpse with kisses, with tears, command me to be slain besides him; so that these my fellows, for our good meaning and our true hearts to the legions, may have leave to bury us.” With which speech he put the army into an infinite fury and uproar: whereas truth was he had no brother, neither was there any such matter; but he played it merely as if he had been upon the stage.

(3) But to return: we are now come to a period of rational knowledges; wherein if I have made the divisions other than those that are received, yet would I not be thought to disallow all those divisions which I do not use. For there is a double necessity imposed upon me of altering the divisions. The one, because it differeth in end and purpose, to sort together those things which are next in nature, and those things which are next in use. For if a secretary of estate should sort his papers, it is like in his study or general cabinet he would sort together things of a nature, as treaties, instructions, &amp;c. But in his boxes or particular cabinet he would sort together those that he were like to use together, though of several natures. So in this general cabinet of knowledge it was necessary for me to follow the divisions of the nature of things; whereas if myself had been to handle any particular knowledge, I would have respected the divisions fittest for use. The other, because the bringing in of the deficiences did by consequence alter the partitions of the rest. For let the knowledge extant (for demonstration sake) be fifteen. Let the knowledge with the deficiences be twenty; the parts of fifteen are not the parts of twenty; for the parts of fifteen are three and five; the parts of twenty are two, four, five, and ten. So as these things are without contradiction, and could not otherwise be.

XX. 

(1) We proceed now to that knowledge which considereth of the appetite and will of man: whereof Solomon saith, Ante omnia, fili, custodi cor tuum: nam inde procedunt actiones vitæ. In the handling of this science, those which have written seem to me to have done as if a man, that professed to teach to write, did only exhibit fair copies of alphabets and letters joined, without giving any precepts or directions for the carriage of the hand and framing of the letters. So have they made good and fair exemplars and copies, carrying the draughts and portraitures of good, virtue, duty, felicity; propounding them well described as the true objects and scopes of man’s will and desires. But how to attain these excellent marks, and how to frame and subdue the will of man to become true and conformable to these pursuits, they pass it over altogether, or slightly and unprofitably. For it is not the disputing that moral virtues are in the mind of man by habit and not by nature, or the distinguishing that generous spirits are won by doctrines and persuasions, and the vulgar sort by reward and punishment, and the like scattered glances and touches, that can excuse the absence of this part.

(2) The reason of this omission I suppose to be that hidden rock whereupon both this and many other barks of knowledge have been cast away; which is, that men have despised to be conversant in ordinary and common matters, the judicious direction whereof nevertheless is the wisest doctrine (for life consisteth not in novelties nor subtleties), but contrariwise they have compounded sciences chiefly of a certain resplendent or lustrous mass of matter, chosen to give glory either to the subtlety of disputatious, or to the eloquence of discourses. But Seneca giveth an excellent check to eloquence, Nocet illis eloquentia, quibus non rerum cupiditatem facit, sed sui. Doctrine should be such as should make men in love with the lesson, and not with the teacher; being directed to the auditor’s benefit, and not to the author’s commendation. And therefore those are of the right kind which may be concluded as Demosthenes concludes his counsel, Quæ si feceritis, non oratorem dumtaxat in præsentia laudabitis, sed vosmetipsos etiam non ita multo post statu rerum vestraram meliore.

(3) Neither needed men of so excellent parts to have despaired of a fortune, which the poet Virgil promised himself, and indeed obtained, who got as much glory of eloquence, wit, and learning in the expressing of the observations of husbandry, as of the heroical acts of Æneas:

“Nec sum animi dubius, verbis ea vincere magnum

Quam sit, et angustis his addere rebus honorem.”

And surely, if the purpose be in good earnest, not to write at leisure that which men may read at leisure, but really to instruct and suborn action and active life, these Georgics of the mind, concerning the husbandry and tillage thereof, are no less worthy than the heroical descriptions of virtue, duty, and felicity. Wherefore the main and primitive division of moral knowledge seemeth to be into the exemplar or platform of good, and the regiment or culture of the mind: the one describing the nature of good, the other prescribing rules how to subdue, apply, and accommodate the will of man thereunto.

(4) The doctrine touching the platform or nature of good considereth it either simple or compared; either the kinds of good, or the degrees of good; in the latter whereof those infinite disputatious which were touching the supreme degree thereof, which they term felicity, beatitude, or the highest good, the doctrines concerning which were as the heathen divinity, are by the Christian faith discharged. And as Aristotle saith, “That young men may be happy, but not otherwise but by hope;” so we must all acknowledge our minority, and embrace the felicity which is by hope of the future world.

(5) Freed therefore and delivered from this doctrine of the philosopher’s heaven, whereby they feigned a higher elevation of man’s nature than was (for we see in what height of style Seneca writeth, Vere magnum, habere fragilitatem hominis, securitatem Dei), we may with more sobriety and truth receive the rest of their inquiries and labours. Wherein for the nature of good positive or simple, they have set it down ex-cellently in describing the forms of virtue and duty, with their situations and postures; in distributing them into their kinds, parts, provinces, actions, and administrations, and the like: nay further, they have commended them to man’s nature and spirit with great quickness of argument and beauty of persuasions; yea, and fortified and entrenched them (as much as discourse can do) against corrupt and popular opinions. Again, for the degrees and comparative nature of good, they have also excellently handled it in their triplicity of good, in the comparisons between a contemplative and an active life, in the distinction between virtue with reluctation and virtue secured, in their encounters between honesty and profit, in their balancing of virtue with virtue, and the like; so as this part deserveth to be reported for excellently laboured.

(6) Notwithstanding, if before they had come to the popular and received notions of virtue and vice, pleasure and pain, and the rest, they had stayed a little longer upon the inquiry concerning the roots of good and evil, and the strings of those roots, they had given, in my opinion, a great light to that which followed; and specially if they had consulted with nature, they had made their doctrines less prolix and more profound: which being by them in part omitted and in part handled with much confusion, we will endeavour to resume and open in a more clear manner.

(7) There is formed in everything a double nature of good - the one, as everything is a total or substantive in itself; the other, as it is a part or member of a greater body; whereof the latter is in degree the greater and the worthier, because it tendeth to the conservation of a more general form. Therefore we see the iron in particular sympathy moveth to the loadstone; but yet if it exceed a certain quantity, it forsaketh the affection to the loadstone, and like a good patriot moveth to the earth, which is the region and country of massy bodies; so may we go forward, and see that water and massy bodies move to the centre of the earth; but rather than to suffer a divulsion in the continuance of nature, they will move upwards from the centre of the earth, forsaking their duty to the earth in regard of their duty to the world. This double nature of good, and the comparative thereof, is much more engraven upon man, if he degenerate not, unto whom the conservation of duty to the public ought to be much more precious than the conservation of life and being; according to that memorable speech of Pompeius Magnus, when being in commission of purveyance for a famine at Rome, and being dissuaded with great vehemency and instance by his friends about him, that he should not hazard himself to sea in an extremity of weather, he said only to them, Necesse est ut eam, non ut vivam. But it may be truly affirmed that there was never any philosophy, religion, or other discipline, which did so plainly and highly exalt the good which is communicative, and depress the good which is private and particular, as the Holy Faith; well declaring that it was the same God that gave the Christian law to men, who gave those laws of nature to inanimate creatures that we spake of before; for we read that the elected saints of God have wished themselves anathematised and razed out of the book of life, in an ecstasy of charity and infinite feeling of communion.

(8) This being set down and strongly planted, doth judge and determine most of the controversies wherein moral philosophy is conversant. For first, it decideth the ques-tion touching the preferment of the contemplative or active life, and decideth it against Aristotle. For all the reasons which he bringeth for the contemplative are private, and respecting the pleasure and dignity of a man’s self (in which respects no question the contemplative life hath the pre-eminence), not much unlike to that comparison which Pythagoras made for the gracing and magnifying of philosophy and contemplation, who being asked what he was, answered, “That if Hiero were ever at the Olympian games, he knew the manner, that some came to try their fortune for the prizes, and some came as merchants to utter their commodities, and some came to make good cheer and meet their friends, and some came to look on; and that he was one of them that came to look on.” But men must know, that in this theatre of man’s life it is reserved only for God and angels to be lookers on. Neither could the like question ever have been received in the Church, notwithstanding their Pretiosa in oculis Domini mors sanctorum ejus, by which place they would exalt their civil death and regular professions, but upon this defence, that the monastical life is not simple contemplative, but performeth the duty either of incessant prayers and supplications, which hath been truly esteemed as an office in the Church, or else of writing or taking instructions for writing concerning the law of God, as Moses did when he abode so long in the mount. And so we see Enoch, the seventh from Adam, who was the first contemplative and walked with God, yet did also endow the Church with prophecy, which Saint Jude citeth. But for contemplation which should be finished in itself, without casting beams upon society, assuredly divinity knoweth it not.

(9) It decideth also the controversies between Zeno and Socrates, and their schools and successions, on the one side, who placed felicity in virtue simply or attended, the actions and exercises whereof do chiefly embrace and concern society; and on the other side, the Cyrenaics and Epicureans, who placed it in pleasure, and made virtue (as it is used in some comedies of errors, wherein the mistress and the maid change habits) to be but as a servant, without which pleasure cannot be served and attended; and the reformed school of the Epicureans, which placed it in serenity of mind and freedom from perturbation; as if they would have deposed Jupiter again, and restored Saturn and the first age, when there was no summer nor winter, spring nor autumn, but all after one air and season; and Herillus, which placed felicity in extinguishment of the disputes of the mind, making no fixed nature of good and evil, esteeming things according to the clearness of the desires, or the reluctation; which opinion was revived in the heresy of the Anabaptists, measuring things according to the motions of the spirit, and the constancy or wavering of belief; all which are manifest to tend to private repose and contentment, and not to point of society.

(10) It censureth also the philosophy of Epictetus, which presupposeth that felicity must be placed in those things which are in our power, lest we be liable to fortune and disturbance; as if it were not a thing much more happy to fail in good and virtuous ends for the public, than to obtain all that we can wish to ourselves in our proper fortune: as Consalvo said to his soldiers, showing them Naples, and protesting he had rather die one foot forwards, than to have his life secured for long by one foot of retreat. Whereunto the wisdom of that heavenly leader hath signed, who hath affirmed that “a good conscience is a continual feast;” showing plainly that the conscience of good intentions, howsoever succeeding, is a more continual joy to nature than all the provision which can be made for security and repose.

(11) It censureth likewise that abuse of philosophy which grew general about the time of Epictetus, in converting it into an occupation or profession; as if the purpose had been, not to resist and extinguish perturbations, but to fly and avoid the causes of them, and to shape a particular kind and course of life to that end; introducing such a health of mind, as was that health of body of which Aristotle speaketh of Herodicus, who did nothing all his life long but intend his health; whereas if men refer themselves to duties of society, as that health of body is best which is ablest to endure all alterations and extremities, so likewise that health of mind is most proper which can go through the greatest temptations and perturbations. So as Diogenes’ opinion is to be accepted, who commended not them which abstained, but them which sustained, and could refrain their mind in præcipitio, and could give unto the mind (as is used in horsemanship) the shortest stop or turn.

(12) Lastly, it censureth the tenderness and want of application in some of the most ancient and reverend philosophers and philosophical men, that did retire too easily from civil business, for avoiding of indignities and perturbations; whereas the resolu-tion of men truly moral ought to be such as the same Consalvo said the honour of a soldier should be, e telâ crassiore, and not so fine as that everything should catch in it and endanger it.

XXI. 

(1) To resume private or particular good, it falleth into the division of good active and passive; for this difference of good (not unlike to that which amongst the Romans was expressed in the familiar or household terms of promus and condus) is formed also in all things, and is best disclosed in the two several appetites in creatures; the one to preserve or continue themselves, and the other to dilate or multiply themselves, whereof the latter seemeth to be the worthier; for in nature the heavens, which are the more worthy, are the agent, and the earth, which is the less worthy, is the patient. In the pleasures of living creatures, that of generation is greater than that of food. In divine doctrine, beatius est dare quam accipere. And in life, there is no man’s spirit so soft, but esteemeth the effecting of somewhat that he hath fixed in his desire, more than sensuality, which priority of the active good is much upheld by the consideration of our estate to be mortal and exposed to fortune. For if we might have a perpetuity and certainty in our pleasures, the state of them would advance their price. But when we see it is but magni æstimamus mori tardius, and ne glorieris de crastino, nescis partum diei, it maketh us to desire to have somewhat secured and exempted from time, which are only our deeds and works; as it is said, Opera eorum sequuntur eos. The pre-eminence likewise of this active good is upheld by the affection which is natural in man towards variety and proceeding, which in the pleasures of the sense, which is the principal part of passive good, can have no great latitude. Cogita quamdiu eadem feceris; cibus, somnus, ludus per hunc circulum curritur; mori velle non tantum fortis, aut miser, aut prudens, sed etiam fastidiosus potest. But in enterprises, pursuits, and purposes of life, there is much variety; whereof men are sensible with pleasure in their inceptions, progressions, recoils, reintegrations, approaches and attainings to their ends. So as it was well said, Vita sine proposito languida et vaga est. Neither hath this active good an identity with the good of society, though in some cases it hath an incidence into it. For although it do many times bring forth acts of beneficence, yet it is with a respect private to a man’s own power, glory, amplification, continuance; as appeareth plainly, when it findeth a contrary subject. For that gigantine state of mind which possesseth the troublers of the world, such as was Lucius Sylla and infinite other in smaller model, who would have all men happy or unhappy as they were their friends or enemies, and would give form to the world, according to their own humours (which is the true theomachy), pretendeth and aspireth to active good, though it recedeth furthest from good of society, which we have determined to be the greater.

(2) To resume passive good, it receiveth a subdivision of conservative and effective. For let us take a brief review of that which we have said: we have spoken first of the good of society, the intention whereof embraceth the form of human nature, whereof we are members and portions, and not our own proper and individual form; we have spoken of active good, and supposed it as a part of private and particular good. And rightly, for there is impressed upon all things a triple desire or appetite proceeding from love to themselves: one of preserving and continuing their form; another of advancing and perfecting their form; and a third of multiplying and extending their form upon other things: whereof the multiplying, or signature of it upon other things, is that which we handled by the name of active good. So as there remaineth the conserving of it, and perfecting or raising of it, which latter is the highest degree of passive good. For to preserve in state is the less, to preserve with advancement is the greater. So in man,

“Igneus est ollis vigor, et cælestis origo.”

His approach or assumption to divine or angelical nature is the perfection of his form; the error or false imitation of which good is that which is the tempest of human life; while man, upon the instinct of an advancement, formal and essential, is carried to seek an advancement local. For as those which are sick, and find no remedy, do tumble up and down and change place, as if by a remove local they could obtain a remove internal, so is it with men in ambition, when failing of the mean to exalt their nature, they are in a perpetual estuation to exalt their place. So then passive good is, as was said, either conservative or perfective.

(3) To resume the good of conservation or comfort, which consisteth in the fruition of that which is agreeable to our natures; it seemeth to be most pure and natural of pleasures, but yet the softest and lowest. And this also receiveth a difference, which hath neither been well judged of, nor well inquired; for the good of fruition or con-tentment is placed either in the sincereness of the fruition, or in the quickness and vigour of it; the one superinduced by equality, the other by vicissitude; the one having less mixture of evil, the other more impression of good. Whether of these is the greater good is a question controverted; but whether man’s nature may not be capable of both is a question not inquired.

(4) The former question being debated between Socrates and a sophist, Socrates placing felicity in an equal and constant peace of mind, and the sophist in much desiring and much enjoying, they fell from argument to ill words: the sophist saying that Socrates’ felicity was the felicity of a block or stone; and Socrates saying that the sophist’s felicity was the felicity of one that had the itch, who did nothing but itch and scratch. And both these opinions do not want their supports. For the opinion of Socrates is much upheld by the general consent even of the epicures themselves, that virtue beareth a great part in felicity; and if so, certain it is, that virtue hath more use in clearing perturbations then in compassing desires. The sophist’s opinion is much favoured by the assertion we last spake of, that good of advancement is greater than good of simple preservation; because every obtaining a desire hath a show of advancement, as motion though in a circle hath a show of progression.

(5) But the second question, decided the true way, maketh the former superfluous. For can it be doubted, but that there are some who take more pleasure in enjoying pleasures than some other, and yet, nevertheless, are less troubled with the loss or leaving of them? So as this same, Non uti ut non appetas, non appetere ut non me-tuas, sunt animi pusilli et diffidentis. And it seemeth to me that most of the doctrines of the philosophers are more fearful and cautious than the nature of things requireth. So have they increased the fear of death in offering to cure it. For when they would have a man’s whole life to be but a discipline or preparation to die, they must needs make men think that it is a terrible enemy, against whom there is no end of preparing. Better saith the poet:-

“Qui finem vitæ extremum inter munera ponat

Naturæ.”

So have they sought to make men’s minds too uniform and harmonical, by not breaking them sufficiently to contrary motions; the reasons whereof I suppose to be, because they themselves were men dedicated to a private, free, and unapplied course of life. For as we see, upon the lute or like instrument, a ground, though it be sweet and have show of many changes, yet breaketh not the hand to such strange and hard stops and passages, as a set song or voluntary; much after the same manner was the diversity between a philosophical and civil life. And, therefore, men are to imitate the wisdom of jewellers: who, if there be a grain, or a cloud, or an ice which may be ground forth without taking too much of the stone, they help it; but if it should lessen and abate the stone too much, they will not meddle with it: so ought men so to procure serenity as they destroy not magnanimity.

(6) Having therefore deduced the good of man which is private and particular, as far as seemeth fit, we will now return to that good of man which respecteth and beholdeth society, which we may term duty; because the term of duty is more proper to a mind well framed and disposed towards others, as the term of virtue is applied to a mind well formed and composed in itself; though neither can a man understand virtue without some relation to society, nor duty without an inward disposition. This part may seem at first to pertain to science civil and politic; but not if it be well observed. For it concerneth the regiment and government of every man over himself, and not over others. And as in architecture the direction of framing the posts, beams, and other parts of building, is not the same with the manner of joining them and erecting the building; and in mechanicals, the direction how to frame an instrument or engine is not the same with the manner of setting it on work and employing it; and yet, nevertheless, in expressing of the one you incidently express the aptness towards the other; so the doctrine of conjugation of men in society differeth from that of their conformity thereunto.

(7) This part of duty is subdivided into two parts: the common duty of every man, as a man or member of a state; the other, the respective or special duty of every man in his profession, vocation, and place. The first of these is extant and well laboured, as hath been said. The second likewise I may report rather dispersed than deficient; which manner of dispersed writing in this kind of argument I acknowledge to be best. For who can take upon him to write of the proper duty, virtue, challenge, and right of every several vocation, profession, and place? For although sometimes a looker on may see more than a gamester, and there be a proverb more arrogant than sound, “That the vale best discovereth the hill;” yet there is small doubt but that men can write best and most really and materially in their own professions; and that the writing of speculative men of active matter for the most part doth seem to men of experience, as Phormio’s argument of the wars seemed to Hannibal, to be but dreams and dotage. Only there is one vice which accompanieth them that write in their own professions, that they magnify them in excess. But generally it were to be wished (as that which would make learning indeed solid and fruitful) that active men would or could become writers.

(8) In which kind I cannot but mention, honoris causa, your Majesty’s excellent book touching the duty of a king; a work richly compounded of divinity, morality, and pol-icy, with great aspersion of all other arts; and being in some opinion one of the most sound and healthful writings that I have read: not distempered in the heat of inven-tion, nor in the coldness of negligence; not sick of dizziness, as those are who leese themselves in their order, nor of convulsions, as those which cramp in matters im-pertinent; not savouring of perfumes and paintings, as those do who seek to please the reader more than nature beareth; and chiefly well disposed in the spirits thereof, being agreeable to truth and apt for action; and far removed from that natural infirmity, whereunto I noted those that write in their own professions to be subject - which is, that they exalt it above measure. For your Majesty hath truly described, not a king of Assyria or Persia in their extern glory, but a Moses or a David, pastors of their people. Neither can I ever leese out of my remembrance what I heard your Majesty in the same sacred spirit of government deliver in a great cause of judicature, which was, “That kings ruled by their laws, as God did by the laws of nature; and ought as rarely to put in use their supreme prerogative as God doth His power of working miracles.” And yet notwithstanding in your book of a free monarchy, you do well give men to understand, that you know the plenitude of the power and right of a king, as well as the circle of his office and duty. Thus have I presumed to allege this excellent writing of your Majesty, as a prime or eminent example of tractates concerning special and respective duties; wherein I should have said as much, if it had been written a thousand years since. Neither am I moved with certain courtly decencies, which esteem it flattery to praise in presence. No, it is flattery to praise in absence - that is, when either the virtue is absent, or the occasion is absent; and so the praise is not natural, but forced, either in truth or in time. But let Cicero be read in his oration pro Marcello, which is nothing but an excellent table of Cæsar’s virtue, and made to his face; besides the example of many other excellent persons, wiser a great deal than such observers; and we will never doubt, upon a full occasion, to give just praises to present or absent.

(9) But to return; there belongeth further to the handling of this part, touching the duties of professions and vocations, a relative or opposite, touching the frauds, cautels, impostures, and vices of every profession, which hath been likewise handled; but how? rather in a satire and cynically, than seriously and wisely; for men have rather sought by wit to deride and traduce much of that which is good in professions, than with judgment to discover and sever that which is corrupt. For, as Solomon saith, he that cometh to seek after knowledge with a mind to scorn and censure shall be sure to find matter for his humour, but no matter for his instruction: Quærenti derisori scientiam ipsa se abscondit; sed studioso fit obviam. But the managing of this argument with integrity and truth, which I note as deficient, seemeth to me to be one of the best fortifications for honesty and virtue that can be planted. For, as the fable goeth of the basilisk - that if he see you first, you die for it; but if you see him first, he dieth - so is it with deceits and evil arts, which, if they be first espied they leese their life; but if they prevent, they endanger. So that we are much beholden to Machiavel and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do. For it is not possible to join serpentine wisdom with the columbine innocency, except men know exactly all the conditions of the serpent; his baseness and going upon his belly, his volubility and lubricity, his envy and sting, and the rest - that is, all forms and natures of evil. For without this, virtue lieth open and unfenced. Nay, an honest man can do no good upon those that are wicked, to reclaim them, without the help of the knowledge of evil. For men of corrupted minds presuppose that honesty groweth out of simplicity of manners, and believing of preachers, schoolmasters, and men’s exterior language. So as, except you can make them perceive that you know the utmost reaches of their own corrupt opinions, they despise all morality. Non recipit stultus verba prudentiæ, nisi ea dixeris quæ, versantur in corde ejus.

(10) Unto this part, touching respective duty, doth also appertain the duties between husband and wife, parent and child, master and servant. So likewise the laws of friendship and gratitude, the civil bond of companies, colleges, and politic bodies, of neighbourhood, and all other proportionate duties; not as they are parts of govern-ment and society, but as to the framing of the mind of particular persons.

(11) The knowledge concerning good respecting society doth handle it also, not simply alone, but comparatively; whereunto belongeth the weighing of duties between person and person, case and case, particular and public. As we see in the proceeding of Lucius Brutus against his own sons, which was so much extolled, yet what was said?

“Infelix, utcunque ferent ea fata minores.”

So the case was doubtful, and had opinion on both sides. Again, we see when M. Brutus and Cassius invited to a supper certain whose opinions they meant to feel, whether they were fit to be made their associates, and cast forth the question touching the killing of a tyrant being a usurper, they were divided in opinion; some holding that servitude was the extreme of evils, and others that tyranny was better than a civil war: and a number of the like cases there are of comparative duty. Amongst which that of all others is the most frequent, where the question is of a great deal of good to ensue of a small injustice. Which Jason of Thessalia determined against the truth: Aliqua sunt injuste facienda, ut multa juste fieri possint. But the reply is good: Auctorem præsentis justitiæ habes, sponsorem futuræ non habes. Men must pursue things which are just in present, and leave the future to the Divine Providence. So then we pass on from this general part touching the exemplar and description of good.

XXII. 

(1) Now, therefore, that we have spoken of this fruit of life, it remaineth to speak of the husbandry that belongeth thereunto, without which part the former seemeth to be no better than a fair image or statue, which is beautiful to contemplate, but is without life and motion; whereunto Aristotle himself subscribeth in these words: Necesse est scilicet de virtute dicere, et quid sit, et ex quibus gignatur. Inutile enum fere fuerit virtutem quidem nosse, acquirendæ autem ejus modos et vias ignorare. Non enum de virtute tantum, qua specie sit, quærendum est, sed et quomodo sui copiam faciat: utrumque enum volumeus, et rem ipsam nosse, et ejus compotes fieri: hoc autem ex voto non succedet, nisi sciamus et ex quibus et quomodo. In such full words and with such iteration doth he inculcate this part. So saith Cicero in great commendation of Cato the second, that he had applied himself to philosophy, Non ita disputandi causa, sed ita vivendi. And although the neglect of our times, wherein few men do hold any consultations touching the reformation of their life (as Seneca excellently saith, De partibus vitæ quisque deliberat, de summa nemo), may make this part seem superfluous; yet I must conclude with that aphorism of Hippocrates, Qui gravi morbo correpti dolores non sentiunt, iis mens ægrotat. They need medicine, not only to assuage the disease, but to awake the sense. And if it be said that the cure of men’s minds belongeth to sacred divinity, it is most true; but yet moral philosophy may be preferred unto her as a wise servant and humble handmaid. For as the Psalm saith, “That the eyes of the handmaid look perpetually towards the mistress,” and yet no doubt many things are left to the discretion of the handmaid to discern of the mistress’ will; so ought moral philosophy to give a constant attention to the doctrines of divinity, and yet so as it may yield of herself (within due limits) many sound and profitable directions.

(2) This part, therefore, because of the excellency thereof, I cannot but find exceeding strange that it is not reduced to written inquiry; the rather, because it consisteth of much matter, wherein both speech and action is often conversant; and such wherein the common talk of men (which is rare, but yet cometh sometimes to pass) is wiser than their books. It is reasonable, therefore, that we propound it in the more particularity, both for the worthiness, and because we may acquit ourselves for reporting it deficient, which seemeth almost incredible, and is otherwise conceived and presupposed by those themselves that have written. We will, therefore, enumerate some heads or points thereof, that it may appear the better what it is, and whether it be extant.

(3) First, therefore, in this, as in all things which are practical we ought to cast up our account, what is in our power, and what not; for the one may be dealt with by way of alteration, but the other by way of application only. The husbandman cannot com-mand neither the nature of the earth nor the seasons of the weather; no more can the physician the constitution of the patient nor the variety of accidents. So in the culture and cure of the mind of man, two things are without our command: points of Nature, and points of fortune. For to the basis of the one, and the conditions of the other, our work is limited and tied. In these things, therefore, it is left unto us to proceed by application

“Vincenda est omnis fertuna ferendo:”

and so likewise,

“Vincenda est omnis Natura ferendo.”

But when that we speak of suffering, we do not speak of a dull and neglected suffer-ing, but of a wise and industrious suffering, which draweth and contriveth use and advantage out of that which seemeth adverse and contrary; which is that properly which we call accommodating or applying. Now the wisdom of application resteth principally in the exact and distinct knowledge of the precedent state or disposition, unto which we do apply; for we cannot fit a garment except we first take measure of the body.

(4) So, then, the first article of this knowledge is to set down sound and true distri-butions and descriptions of the several characters and tempers of men’s natures and dispositions, specially having regard to those differences which are most radical in being the fountains and causes of the rest, or most frequent in concurrence or commixture; wherein it is not the handling of a few of them in passage, the better to describe the mediocrities of virtues, that can satisfy this intention. For if it deserve to be considered, that there are minds which are proportioned to great matters, and others to small (which Aristotle handleth, or ought to have bandied, by the name of magnanimity), doth it not deserve as well to be considered that there are minds proportioned to intend many matters, and others to few? So that some can divide themselves: others can perchance do exactly well, but it must be but in few things at once; and so there cometh to be a narrowness of mind, as well as a pusillanimity. And again, that some minds are proportioned to that which may be dispatched at once, or within a short return of time; others to that which begins afar off, and is to be won with length of pursuit:-

“Jam tum tenditqus fovetque.”

So that there may be fitly said to be a longanimity, which is commonly also ascribed to God as a magnanimity. So further deserved it to be considered by Aristotle, “That there is a disposition in conversation (supposing it in things which do in no sort touch or concern a man’s self) to soothe and please, and a disposition contrary to contradict and cross;” and deserveth it not much better to be considered. “That there is a disposition, not in conversation or talk, but in matter of more serious nature (and supposing it still in things merely indifferent), to take pleasure in the good of another; and a disposition contrariwise, to take distaste at the good of another?” which is that properly which we call good nature or ill nature, benignity or malignity; and, therefore, I cannot sufficiently marvel that this part of knowledge, touching the several characters of natures and dispositions, should be omitted both in morality and policy, considering it is of so great ministry and suppeditation to them both. A man shall find in the traditions of astrology some pretty and apt divisions of men’s natures, according to the predominances of the planets: lovers of quiet, lovers of action, lovers of victory, lovers of honour, lovers of pleasure, lovers of arts, lovers of change, and so forth. A man shall find in the wisest sort of these relations which the Italians make touching conclaves, the natures of the several cardinals handsomely and lively painted forth. A man shall meet with in every day’s conference the denominations of sensitive, dry, formal, real, humorous, certain, huomo di prima impressione, huomo di ultima impressione, and the like; and yet, nevertheless, this kind of observations wandereth in words, but is not fixed in inquiry. For the distinctions are found (many of them), but we conclude no precepts upon them: wherein our fault is the greater, because both history, poesy, and daily experience are as goodly fields where these observations grow; whereof we make a few posies to hold in our hands, but no man bringeth them to the confectionary that receipts might be made of them for use of life.

(5) Of much like kind are those impressions of Nature, which are imposed upon the mind by the sex, by the age, by the region, by health and sickness, by beauty and de-formity, and the like, which are inherent and not extern; and again, those which are caused by extern fortune, as sovereignty, nobility, obscure birth, riches, want, magistracy, privateness, prosperity, adversity, constant fortune, variable fortune, rising per saltum, per gradus, and the like. And, therefore, we see that Plautus maketh it a wonder to see an old man beneficent, benignitas hujis ut adolescentuli est. Saint Paul concludeth that severity of discipline was to be used to the Cretans, increpa eos dure, upon the disposition of their country, Cretensus semper mendaces, malæ bestiæ, ventres. Sallust noteth that it is usual with kings to desire contradictories: Sed plerumque regiæ voluntates, ut vehementes sunt, sic mobiles, sæpeque ipsæ sibi advers. Tacitus observeth how rarely raising of the fortune mendeth the disposition: solus Vespasia-nus mutatus in melius. Pindarus maketh an observation, that great and sudden for-tune for the most part defeateth men qui magnam felicitatem concoquere non possunt. So the Psalm showeth it is more easy to keep a measure in the enjoying of fortune, than in the increase of fortune; Divitiæ si affluant, nolite cor apponere. These observations and the like I deny not but are touched a little by Aristotle as in passage in his Rhetorics, and are handled in some scattered discourses; but they were never incorporate into moral philosophy, to which they do essentially appertain; as the knowledge of this diversity of grounds and moulds doth to agriculture, and the knowledge of the diversity of complexions and constitutions doth to the physician, except we mean to follow the indiscretion of empirics, which minister the same me-dicines to all patients.

(6) Another article of this knowledge is the inquiry touching the affections; for as in medicining of the body, it is in order first to know the divers complexions and con-stitutions; secondly, the diseases; and lastly, the cures: so in medicining of the mind, after knowledge of the divers characters of men’s natures, it followeth in order to know the diseases and infirmities of the mind, which are no other than the perturbations and distempars of the affections. For as the ancient politiques in popular estates were wont to compare the people to the sea, and the orators to the winds; because as the sea would of itself be calm and quiet, if the winds did not move and trouble it; so the people would be peaceable and tractable if the seditious orators did not set them in working and agitation: so it may be fitly said, that the mind in the nature thereof would be temperate and stayed, if the affections, as winds, did not put it into tumult and perturbation. And here again I find strange, as before, that Aristotle should have written divers volumes of Ethics, and never handled the affections which is the principal subject thereof; and yet in his Rhetorics, where they are considered but collaterally and in a second degree (as they may be moved by speech), he findeth place for them, and handleth them well for the quantity; but where their true place is he pretermitteth them. For it is not his disputations about pleasure and pain that can satisfy this inquiry, no more than he that should generally handle the nature of light can be said to handle the nature of colours; for pleasure and pain are to the particular affections as light is to particular colours. Better travails, I suppose, had the Stoics taken in this argument, as far as I can gather by that which we have at second hand. But yet it is like it was after their manner, rather in subtlety of definitions (which in a subject of this nature are but curiosities), than in active and ample descriptions and observations. So likewise I find some particular writings of an elegant nature, touching some of the affections: as of anger, of comfort upon adverse accidents, of tenderness of countenance, and other. But the poets and writers of histories are the best doctors of this knowledge; where we may find painted forth, with great life, how affections are kindled and incited; and how pacified and refrained; and how again contained from act and further degree; how they disclose themselves; how they work; how they vary; how they gather and fortify: how they are enwrapped one within another; and how they do fight and encounter one with another; and other the like particularities. Amongst the which this last is of special use in moral and civil matters; how, I say, to set affection against affection, and to master one by another; even as we used to hunt beast with beast, and fly bird with bird, which otherwise percase we could not so easily recover: upon which foundation is erected that excellent use of præmium and pæna, whereby civil states consist: employing the predominant affections of fear and hope, for the suppressing and bridling the rest. For as in the government of states it is sometimes necessary to bridle one faction with another, so it is in the government within.

(7) Now come we to those points which are within our own command, and have force and operation upon the mind, to affect the will and appetite, and to alter manners: wherein they ought to have handled custom, exercise, habit, education, example, imitation, emulation, company, friends, praise, reproof, exhortation, fame, laws, books, studies: these as they have determinate use in moralities, from these the mind suffereth, and of these are such receipts and regiments compounded and described, as may serve to recover or preserve the health and good estate of the mind, as far as pertaineth to human medicine: of which number we will insist upon some one or two, as an example of the rest, because it were too long to prosecute all; and therefore we do resume custom and habit to speak of.

(8) The opinion of Aristotle seemeth to me a negligent opinion, that of those things which consist by Nature, nothing can be changed by custom; using for example, that if a stone be thrown ten thousand times up it will not learn to ascend; and that by often seeing or hearing we do not learn to see or hear the better. For though this principle be true in things wherein Nature is peremptory (the reason whereof we cannot now stand to discuss), yet it is otherwise in things wherein Nature admitteth a latitude. For he might see that a strait glove will come more easily on with use; and that a wand will by use bend otherwise than it grew; and that by use of the voice we speak louder and stronger; and that by use of enduring heat or cold we endure it the better, and the like: which latter sort have a nearer resemblance unto that subject of manners he handleth, than those instances which he allegeth. But allowing his conclusion, that virtues and vices consist in habit, he ought so much the more to have taught the manner of superinducing that habit: for there be many precepts of the wise ordering the exercises of the mind, as there is of ordering the exercises of the body, whereof we will recite a few.

(9) The first shall be, that we beware we take not at the first either too high a strain or too weak: for if too high, in a diffident nature you discourage, in a confident nature you breed an opinion of facility, and so a sloth; and in all natures you breed a further expectation than can hold out, and so an insatisfaction in the end: if too weak, of the other side, you may not look to perform and overcome any great task.

(10) Another precept is to practise all things chiefly at two several times, the one when the mind is best disposed, the other when it is worst disposed; that by the one you may gain a great step, by the other you may work out the knots and stonds of the mind, and make the middle times the more easy and pleasant.

(11) Another precept is that which Aristotle mentioneth by the way, which is to bear ever towards the contrary extreme of that whereunto we are by nature inclined; like unto the rowing against the stream, or making a wand straight by bending him con-trary to his natural crookedness.

(12) Another precept is that the mind is brought to anything better, and with more sweetness and happiness, if that whereunto you pretend be not first in the intention, but tanquam aliud agendo, because of the natural hatred of the mind against necessity and constraint. Many other axioms there are touching the managing of exercise and custom, which being so conducted doth prove indeed another nature; but, being governed by chance, doth commonly prove but an ape of Nature, and bringeth forth that which is lame and counterfeit.

(13) So if we should handle books and studies, and what influence and operation they have upon manners, are there not divers precepts of great caution and direction appertaining thereunto? Did not one of the fathers in great indignation call poesy vi-num dæmonum, because it increaseth temptations, perturbations, and vain opinions? Is not the opinion of Aristotle worthy to be regarded, wherein he saith, “That young men are no fit auditors of moral philosophy, because they are not settled from the boiling heat of their affections, nor attempered with time and experience”? And doth it not hereof come, that those excellent books and discourses of the ancient writers (whereby they have persuaded unto virtue most effectually, by representing her in state and majesty, and popular opinions against virtue in their parasites’ coats fit to be scorned and derided), are of so little effect towards honesty of life, because they are not read and revolved by men in their mature and settled years, but confined almost to boys and beginners? But is it not true also, that much less young men are fit auditors of matters of policy, till they have been thoroughly seasoned in religion and morality; lest their judgments be corrupted, and made apt to think that there are no true differences of things, but according to utility and fortune, as the verse describes it, Prosperum et felix scelus virtus vocatur; and again, Ille crucem pretium sceleris tulit, hic diadema: which the poets do speak satirically and in indignation on virtue’s behalf; but books of policy do speak it seriously and positively; for so it pleaseth Machiavel to say, “That if Cæsar had been overthrown, he would have been more odious than ever was Catiline;” as if there had been no difference, but in fortune, between a very fury of lust and blood, and the most excellent spirit (his ambition reserved) of the world? Again, is there not a caution likewise to be given of the doctrines of moralities themselves (some kinds of them), lest they make men too precise, arrogant, incompatible; as Cicero saith of Cato, In Marco Catone hæc bona quæ videmus divina et egregia, ipsius scitote esse propria; quæ nonunquam requirimus ea sunt omnia non a natura, sed a magistro? Many other axioms and advices there are touching those proprieties and effects, which studies do infuse and instil into manners. And so, likewise, is there touching the use of all those other points, of company, fame, laws, and the rest, which we recited in the beginning in the doctrine of morality.

(14) But there is a kind of culture of the mind that seemeth yet more accurate and elaborate than the rest, and is built upon this ground; that the minds of all men are at some times in a state more perfect, and at other times in a state more depraved. The purpose, therefore, of this practice is to fix and cherish the good hours of the mind, and to obliterate and take forth the evil. The fixing of the good hath been practised by two means, vows or constant resolutions, and observances or exercises; which are not to be regarded so much in themselves, as because they keep the mind in continual obedience. The obliteration of the evil hath been practised by two means, some kind of redemption or expiation of that which is past, and an inception or account de novo for the time to come. But this part seemeth sacred and religious, and justly; for all good moral philosophy (as was said) is but a handmaid to religion.

(15) Wherefore we will conclude with that last point, which is of all other means the most compendious and summary, and again, the most noble and effectual to the re-ducing of the mind unto virtue and good estate; which is, the electing and propound-ing unto a man’s self good and virtuous ends of his life, such as may be in a reasona-ble sort within his compass to attain. For if these two things be supposed, that a man set before him honest and good ends, and again, that he be resolute, constant, and true unto them; it will follow that he shall mould himself into all virtue at once. And this indeed is like the work of nature; whereas the other course is like the work of the hand. For as when a carver makes an image, he shapes only that part whereupon he worketh; as if he be upon the face, that part which shall be the body is but a rude stone still, till such times as he comes to it. But contrariwise when nature makes a flower or living creature, she formeth rudiments of all the parts at one time. So in obtaining virtue by habit, while a man practiseth temperance, he doth not profit much to fortitude, nor the like but when he dedicateth and applieth himself to good ends, look, what virtue soever the pursuit and passage towards those ends doth commend unto him, he is invested of a precedent disposition to conform himself thereunto. Which state of mind Aristotle doth excellently express himself, that it ought not to be called virtuous, but divine. His words are these: Immanitati autem consentaneum est opponere eam, quæ supra humanitatem est, heroicam sive divinam virtutem; and a little after, Nam ut feræ neque vitium neque virtus est, swic neque Dei: sed hic quidem status altius quiddam virtute est, ille aluid quiddam a vitio. And therefore we may see what celsitude of honour Plinius Secundus attributeth to Trajan in his funeral oration, where he said, “That men needed to make no other prayers to the gods, but that they would continue as good lords to them as Trajan had been;” as if he had not been only an imitation of divine nature, but a pattern of it. But these be heathen and profane passages, having but a shadow of that divine state of mind, which religion and the holy faith doth conduct men unto, by imprinting upon their souls charity, which is excellently called the bond of perfection, because it comprehendeth and fasteneth all virtues together. And as it is elegantly said by Menander of vain love, which is but a false imitation of divine love, Amor melior Sophista lœvo ad humanam vitam - that love teacheth a man to carry himself better than the sophist or preceptor; which he calleth left-handed, because, with all his rules and preceptions, he cannot form a man so dexterously, nor with that facility to prize himself and govern himself, as love can do: so certainly, if a man’s mind be truly inflamed with charity, it doth work him suddenly into greater perfection than all the doctrine of morality can do, which is but a sophist in comparison of the other. Nay, further, as Xenophon observed truly, that all other affections, though they raise the mind, yet they do it by distorting and uncomeliness of ecstasies or excesses; but only love doth exalt the mind, and nevertheless at the same instant doth settle and compose it: so in all other excellences, though they advance nature, yet they are subject to excess. Only charity admitteth no excess. For so we see, aspiring to be like God in power, the angels transgressed and fell; Ascendam, et ero similis altissimo: by aspiring to be like God in knowledge, man transgressed and fell; Eritis sicut Dii, scientes bonum et malum: but by aspiring to a similitude of God in goodness or love, neither man nor angel ever transgressed, or shall transgress. For unto that imitation we are called: Diligite inimicos vestros, benefacite eis qui oderunt vos, et orate pro persequentibus et calumniantibus vos, ut sitis filii Patris vestri qui in cœlis est, qui solem suum oriri facit super bonos et malos, et pluit super justos et injustos. So in the first platform of the divine nature itself, the heathen religion speaketh thus, Optimus Maximus: and the sacred Scriptures thus, Miscericordia ejus super omnia opera ejus.

(16) Wherefore I do conclude this part of moral knowledge, concerning the culture and regiment of the mind; wherein if any man, considering the arts thereof which I have enumerated, do judge that my labour is but to collect into an art or science that which hath been pretermitted by others, as matter of common sense and experience, he judgeth well. But as Philocrates sported with Demosthenes, “You may not marvel (Athenians) that Demosthenes and I do differ; for he drinketh water, and I drink wine;” and like as we read of an ancient parable of the two gates of sleep -

“Sunt geminæ somni portæ: quarum altera fertur

Cornea, qua veris facilis datur exitus umbris:

Altera candenti perfecta nitens elephanto,

Sed falsa ad cœlum mittunt insomnia manes:”

so if we put on sobriety and attention, we shall find it a sure maxim in knowledge, that the more pleasant liquor (“of wine”) is the more vaporous, and the braver gate (“of ivory”) sendeth forth the falser dreams.

(17) But we have now concluded that general part of human philosophy, which con-templateth man segregate, and as he consisteth of body and spirit. Wherein we may further note, that there seemeth to be a relation or conformity between the good of the mind and the good of the body. For as we divided the good of the body into health, beauty, strength, and pleasure, so the good of the mind, inquired in rational and moral knowledges, tendeth to this, to make the mind sound, and without perturbation; beautiful, and graced with decency; and strong and agile for all duties of life. These three, as in the body, so in the mind, seldom meet, and commonly sever. For it is easy to observe, that many have strength of wit and courage, but have neither health from perturbations, nor any beauty or decency in their doings; some again have an elegancy and fineness of carriage which have neither soundness of honesty nor substance of sufficiency; and some again have honest and reformed minds, that can neither become themselves nor manage business; and sometimes two of them meet, and rarely all three. As for pleasure, we have likewise determined that the mind ought not to be reduced to stupid, but to retain pleasure; confined rather in the subject of it, than in the strength and vigour of it.

XXIII. 

(1) Civil knowledge is conversant about a subject which of all others is most immersed in matter, and hardliest reduced to axiom. Nevertheless, as Cato the Censor said, “That the Romans were like sheep, for that a man were better drive a flock of them, than one of them; for in a flock, if you could get but some few go right, the rest would follow:” so in that respect moral philosophy is more difficile than policy. Again, moral philosophy propoundeth to itself the framing of internal goodness; but civil knowledge requireth only an external goodness; for that as to society sufficeth. And therefore it cometh oft to pass that there be evil times in good governments: for so we find in the Holy story, when the kings were good, yet it is added, Sed adhuc poulus non direxerat cor suum ad Dominum Deum patrum suorum. Again, states, as great engines, move slowly, and are not so soon put out of frame: for as in Egypt the seven good years sustained the seven bad, so governments for a time well grounded do bear out errors following; but the resolution of particular persons is more suddenly subverted. These respects do somewhat qualify the extreme difficulty of civil knowledge.

(2) This knowledge hath three parts, according to the three summary actions of society; which are conversation, negotiation, and government. For man seeketh in society comfort, use, and protection; and they be three wisdoms of divers natures which do often sever - wisdom of the behaviour, wisdom of business, and wisdom of state.

(3) The wisdom of conversation ought not to be over much affected, but much less despised; for it hath not only an honour in itself, but an influence also into business and government. The poet saith, Nec vultu destrue verba tuo: a man may destroy the force of his words with his countenance; so may he of his deeds, saith Cicero, re-commending to his brother affability and easy access; Nil interest habere ostium apertum, vultum clausum: it is nothing won to admit men with an open door, and to receive them with a shut and reserved countenance. So we see Atticus, before the first interview between Cæsar and Cicero, the war depending, did seriously advise Cicero touching the composing and ordering of his countenance and gesture. And if the government of the countenance be of such effect, much more is that of the speech, and other carriage appertaining to conversation; the true model whereof seemeth to me well expressed by Livy, though not meant for this purpose: Ne aut arrogans videar, aut obnoxius; quorum alterum est àlienæ libertatis obliti, alterum suæ: the sum of behaviour is to retain a man’s own dignity, without intruding upon the liberty of others. On the other side, if behaviour and outward carriage be intended too much, first it may pass into affectation, and then Quid deformius quam scenam in vitam transferre - to act a man’s life? But although it proceed not to that extreme, yet it consumeth time, and employeth the mind too much. And therefore as we use to advise young students from company keeping, by saying, Amici fures temporis: so certainly the intending of the discretion of behaviour is a great thief of meditation. Again, such as are accomplished in that form of urbanity please themselves in it, and seldom aspire to higher virtue; whereas those that have defect in it do seek comeliness by reputation; for where reputation is, almost everything becometh; but where that is not, it must be supplied by puntos and compliments. Again, there is no greater impediment of action than an over-curious observance of decency, and the guide of decency, which is time and season. For as Solomon saith, Qui respicit ad ventos, non seminat; et qui respicit ad nubes, non metet: a man must make his opportunity, as oft as find it. To conclude, behaviour seemeth to me as a garment of the mind, and to have the conditions of a garment. For it ought to be made in fashion; it ought not to be too curious; it ought to be shaped so as to set forth any good making of the mind and hide any deformity; and above all, it ought not to be too strait or restrained for exercise or motion. But this part of civil knowledge hath been elegantly handled, and therefore I cannot report it for deficient.

(4) The wisdom touching negotiation or business hath not been hitherto collected into writing, to the great derogation of learning and the professors of learning. For from this root springeth chiefly that note or opinion, which by us is expressed in adage to this effect, that there is no great concurrence between learning and wisdom. For of the three wisdoms which we have set down to pertain to civil life, for wisdom of behaviour, it is by learned men for the most part despised, as an inferior to virtue and an enemy to meditation; for wisdom of government, they acquit themselves well when they are called to it, but that happeneth to few; but for the wisdom of business, wherein man’s life is most conversant, there be no books of it, except some few scattered advertisements, that have no proportion to the magnitude of this subject. For if books were written of this as the other, I doubt not but learned men with mean experience would far excel men of long experience without learning, and outshoot them in their own bow.

(5) Neither needeth it at all to be doubted, that this knowledge should be so variable as it falleth not under precept; for it is much less infinite than science of government, which we see is laboured and in some part reduced. Of this wisdom it seemeth some of the ancient Romans in the saddest and wisest times were professors; for Cicero reporteth, that it was then in use for senators that had name and opinion for general wise men, as Coruncanius, Curius, Lælius, and many others, to walk at certain hours in the Place, and to give audience to those that would use their advice; and that the particular citizens would resort unto them, and consult with them of the marriage of a daughter, or of the employing of a son, or of a purchase or bargain, or of an accusation, and every other occasion incident to man’s life. So as there is a wisdom of counsel and advice even in private causes, arising out of a universal insight into the affairs of the world; which is used indeed upon particular causes propounded, but is gathered by general observation of causes of like nature. For so we see in the book which Q. Cicero writeth to his brother, De petitione consulatus (being the only book of business that I know written by the ancients), although it concerned a particular action then on foot, yet the substance thereof consisteth of many wise and politic axioms, which contain not a temporary, but a perpetual direction in the case of popular elections. But chiefly we may see in those aphorisms which have place amongst divine writings, composed by Solomon the king, of whom the Scriptures testify that his heart was as the sands of the sea, encompassing the world and all worldly matters, we see, I say, not a few profound and excellent cautions, precepts, positions, extending to much variety of occasions; whereupon we will stay a while, offering to consideration some number of examples.

(6) Sed et cunctis sermonibus qui dicuntur ne accommodes aurem tuam, ne forte au-dias servum tuum maledicentem tibi. Here is commended the provident stay of in-quiry of that which we would be loth to find: as it was judged great wisdom in Pom-peius Magnus that he burned Sertorius’ papers unperused.

Vir sapiens, si cum stulto contenderit, sive irascatur, sive rideat, non inveniet requiem. Here is described the great disadvantage which a wise man hath in undertaking a lighter person than himself; which is such an engagement as, whether a man turn the matter to jest, or turn it to heat, or howsoever he change copy, he can no ways quit himself well of it.

Qui delicate a pueritia nutrit servum suum, postea sentiet eum contumacem. Here is signified, that if a man begin too high a pitch in his favours, it doth commonly end in unkindness and unthankfulness.

Vidisti virum velocem in opere suo? coram regibus stabit, nec erit inter ignobiles. Here is observed, that of all virtues for rising to honour, quickness of despatch is the best; for superiors many times love not to have those they employ too deep or too sufficient, but ready and diligent.

Vidi cunctos viventes qui ambulant sub sole, cum adolescente secundo qui consurgit pro eo. Here is expressed that which was noted by Sylla first, and after him by Tiberius. Plures adorant solem orientem quam occidentem vel meridianum.

Si spiritus potestatem habentis ascenderit super te, locum tuum ne demiseris; quia cu-ratio faciet cessare peccata maxima. Here caution is given, that upon displeasure, retiring is of all courses the unfittest; for a man leaveth things at worst, and depriveth himself of means to make them better.

Erat civitas parva, et pauci in ea viri: venit contra eam rex magnus, et vallavit eam, in-struxitque munitones per gyrum, et perfecta est obsidio; inventusque est in ea vir pauper et sapiens, et liberavit eam per sapientiam suam; et nullus deinceps recordatus est huminis illius pauperis. Here the corruption of states is set forth, that esteem not virtue or merit longer than they have use of it.

Millis responsio frangit iram. Here is noted that silence or rough answer exasperateth; but an answer present and temperate pacifieth.

Iter pigrorum quasi sepes spinarum. Here is lively represented how laborious sloth proveth in the end; for when things are deferred till the last instant, and nothing pre-pared beforehand, every step findeth a briar or impediment, which catcheth or stop-peth.

Melior est finis orationis quam principium. Here is taxed the vanity of formal speakers, that study more about prefaces and inducements, than upon the conclusions and issues of speech.

Qui cognoscit in judicio faciem, non bene facit; iste et pro buccella panis deseret ve-ritatem. Here is noted, that a judge were better be a briber than a respecter of persons; for a corrupt judge offendeth not so lightly as a facile.

Vir pauper calumnians pauperes simils est imbri vehementi, in quo paratur fames. Here is expressed the extremity of necessitous extortions, figured in the ancient fable of the full and the hungry horseleech.

Fons turbatus pede, et vena corrupta, est justus cadens coram impio. Here is noted, that one judicial and exemplar iniquity in the face of the world doth trouble the fountains of justice more than many particular injuries passed over by connivance.

Qui subtrahit aliquid a patre et a matre, et dicit hoc non esse peccatum, particeps est homicidii. Here is noted that, whereas men in wronging their best friends use to ex-tenuate their fault, as if they might presume or be bold upon them, it doth contrari-wise indeed aggravate their fault, and turneth it from injury to impiety.

Noli esse amicus homini iracundo, nec ambulato cum homine furioso. Here caution is given, that in the election of our friends we do principally avoid those which are impatient, as those that will espouse us to many factions and quarrels.

Qui conturbat domum suam, possidebit ventum. Here is noted, that in domestical separations and breaches men do promise to themselves quieting of their mind and contentment; but still they are deceived of their expectation, and it turneth to wind.

Filius sapiens lætificat patrem: filius vero stultus mæstitia est matri suæ. Here is dis-tinguished, that fathers have most comfort of the good proof of their sons; but mothers have most discomfort of their ill proof, because women have little discerning of virtue, but of fortune.

Qui celat delictum, quærit amicitiam; sed qui altero sermone repetit, separat fæderatos. Here caution is given, that reconcilement is better managed by an amnesty, and passing over that which is past, than by apologies and excuses.

In omni opere bono erit abundantia; ubi autem verba sunt plurima, ibi frequenter egestas. Here is noted, that words and discourse aboundeth most where there is idle-ness and want.

Primus in sua causa justus: sed venit altera pars, et inquiret in eum. Here is observed, that in all causes the first tale possesseth much; in sort, that the prejudice thereby wrought will be hardly removed, except some abuse or falsity in the information be detected.

Verba bilinguis quasi simplicia, et ipsa perveniunt ad interiora ventris. Here is distin-guished, that flattery and insinuation, which seemeth set and artificial, sinketh not far; but that entereth deep which hath show of nature, liberty, and simplicity.

Qui erudit derisorem, ipse sibi injuriam facit; et qui arguit impium, sibi maculam ge-nerat. Here caution is given how we tender reprehension to arrogant and scornful natures, whose manner is to esteem it for contumely, and accordingly to return it.

Da sapienti occasionem, et addetur ei sapientia. Here is distinguished the wisdom brought into habit, and that which is but verbal and swimming only in conceit; for the one upon the occasion presented is quickened and redoubled, the other is amazed and confused.

Quomodo in aquis resplendent vultus prospicientium, sic corda hominum manifesta sunt prudentibus. Here the mind of a wise man is compared to a glass, wherein the images of all diversity of natures and customs are represented; from which represen-tation proceedeth that application,

“Qui sapit, innumeris moribus aptus erit.”

(7) Thus have I stayed somewhat longer upon these sentences politic of Solomon than is agreeable to the proportion of an example; led with a desire to give authority to this part of knowledge, which I noted as deficient, by so excellent a precedent; and have also attended them with brief observations, such as to my understanding offer no violence to the sense, though I know they may be applied to a more divine use: but it is allowed, even in divinity, that some interpretations, yea, and some writings, have more of the eagle than others; but taking them as instructions for life, they might have received large discourse, if I would have broken them and illustrated them by deducements and examples.

(8) Neither was this in use only with the Hebrews, but it is generally to be found in the wisdom of the more ancient times; that as men found out any observation that they thought was good for life, they would gather it and express it in parable or aphorism or fable. But for fables, they were vicegerents and supplies where examples failed: now that the times abound with history, the aim is better when the mark is alive. And therefore the form of writing which of all others is fittest for this variable argument of negotiation and occasions is that which Machiavel chose wisely and aptly for government; namely, discourse upon histories or examples. For knowledge drawn freshly and in our view out of particulars, knoweth the way best to particulars again. And it hath much greater life for practice when the discourse attendeth upon the example, than when the example attendeth upon the discourse. For this is no point of order, as it seemeth at first, but of substance. For when the example is the ground, being set down in a history at large, it is set down with all circumstances, which may sometimes control the discourse thereupon made, and sometimes supply it, as a very pattern for action; whereas the examples alleged for the discourse’s sake are cited succinctly, and without particularity, and carry a servile aspect towards the discourse which they are brought in to make good.

(9) But this difference is not amiss to be remembered, that as history of times is the best ground for discourse of government, such as Machiavel handleth, so histories of lives is the most popular for discourse of business, because it is more conversant in private actions. Nay, there is a ground of discourse for this purpose fitter than them both, which is discourse upon letters, such as are wise and weighty, as many are of Cicero ad Atticum, and others. For letters have a great and more particular repre-sentation of business than either chronicles or lives. Thus have we spoken both of the matter and form of this part of civil knowledge, touching negotiation, which we note to be deficient.

(10) But yet there is another part of this part, which differeth as much from that whereof we have spoken as sapere and sibi sapere, the one moving as it were to the circumference, the other to the centre. For there is a wisdom of counsel, and again there is a wisdom of pressing a man’s own fortune; and they do sometimes meet, and often sever. For many are wise in their own ways that are weak for government or counsel; like ants, which is a wise creature for itself, but very hurtful for the garden. This wisdom the Romans did take much knowledge of: Nam pol sapiens (saith the comical poet) fingit fortunam sibi; and it grew to an adage, Faber quisque fortunæ propriæ; and Livy attributed it to Cato the first, In hoc viro tanta vis animi et ingenii inerat, ut quocunque loco natus esset sibi ipse fortunam facturus videretur.

(11) This conceit or position, if it be too much declared and professed, hath been thought a thing impolitic and unlucky, as was observed in Timotheus the Athenian, who, having done many great services to the state in his government, and giving an account thereof to the people as the manner was, did conclude every particular with this clause, “And in this fortune had no part.” And it came so to pass, that he never prospered in anything he took in hand afterwards. For this is too high and too arro-gant, savouring of that which Ezekiel saith of Pharaoh, Dicis, Fluvius est neus et ego feci memet ipsum; or of that which another prophet speaketh, that men offer sacrifices to their nets and snares; and that which the poet expresseth,

“Dextra mihi Deus, et telum quod missile libro,

Nunc adsint!”

For these confidences were ever unhallowed, and unblessed; and, therefore, those that were great politiques indeed ever ascribed their successes to their felicity and not to their skill or virtue. For so Sylla surnamed himself Felix, not Magnus. So Cæsar said to the master of the ship, Cæsarem portas et fortunam ejus.

(12) But yet, nevertheless, these positions, Faber quisque fortunæ suæ: Sapiens domi-nabitur astris: Invia virtuti null est via, and the like, being taken and used as spurs to industry, and not as stirrups to insolency, rather for resolution than for the presump-tion or outward declaration, have been ever thought sound and good; and are no question imprinted in the greatest minds, who are so sensible of this opinion as they can scarce contain it within. As we see in Augustus Cæsar (who was rather diverse from his uncle than inferior in virtue), how when he died he desired his friends about him to give him a plaudite, as if he were conscious to himself that he had played his part well upon the stage. This part of knowledge we do report also as deficient; not but that it is practised too much, but it hath not been reduced to writing. And, therefore, lest it should seem to any that it is not comprehensible by axiom, it is requisite, as we did in the former, that we set down some heads or passages of it.

(13) Wherein it may appear at the first a new and unwonted argument to teach men how to raise and make their fortune; a doctrine wherein every man perchance will be ready to yield himself a disciple, till he see the difficulty: for fortune layeth as heavy impositions as virtue; and it is as hard and severe a thing to be a true politique, as to be truly moral. But the handling hereof concerneth learning greatly, both in honour and in substance. In honour, because pragmatical men may not go away with an opinion that learning is like a lark, that can mount and sing, and please herself, and nothing else; but may know that she holdeth as well of the hawk, that can soar aloft, and can also descend and strike upon the prey. In substance, because it is the perfect law of inquiry of truth, that nothing be in the globe of matter, which should not be likewise in the globe of crystal or form; that is, that there be not anything in being and action which should not be drawn and collected into contemplation and doctrine. Neither doth learning admire or esteem of this architecture of fortune otherwise than as of an inferior work, for no man’s fortune can be an end worthy of his being, and many times the worthiest men do abandon their fortune willingly for better respects: but nevertheless fortune as an organ of virtue and merit deserveth the consideration.

(14) First, therefore, the precept which I conceive to be most summary towards the prevailing in fortune, is to obtain that window which Momus did require; who seeing in the frame of man’s heart such angles and recesses, found fault there was not a window to look into them; that is, to procure good informations of particulars touching persons, their natures, their desires and ends, their customs and fashions, their helps and advantages, and whereby they chiefly stand, so again their weaknesses and disadvantages, and where they lie most open and obnoxious, their friends, fac-tions, dependences; and again their opposites, enviers, competitors, their moods and times, Sola viri molles aditus et tempora noras; their principles, rules, and observations, and the like: and this not only of persons but of actions; what are on foot from time to time, and how they are conducted, favoured, opposed, and how they import, and the like. For the knowledge of present actions is not only material in itself, but without it also the knowledge of persons is very erroneous: for men change with the actions; and whilst they are in pursuit they are one, and when they return to their nature they are another. These informations of particulars, touching persons and actions, are as the minor propositions in every active syllogism; for no excellency of observations (which are as the major propositions) can suffice to ground a conclusion, if there be error and mistaking in the minors.

(15) That this knowledge is possible, Solomon is our surety, who saith, Consilium in corde viri tanquam aqua profunda; sed vir prudens exhauriet illud. And although the knowledge itself falleth not under precept because it is of individuals, yet the instruc-tions for the obtaining of it may.

(16) We will begin, therefore, with this precept, according to the ancient opinion, that the sinews of wisdom are slowness of belief and distrust; that more trust be given to countenances and deeds than to words; and in words rather to sudden passages and surprised words than to set and purposed words. Neither let that be feared which is said, Fronti nulla fides, which is meant of a general outward behaviour, and not of the private and subtle motions and labours of the countenance and gesture; which, as Q. Cicero elegantly saith, is Animi janua, “the gate of the mind.” None more close than Tiberius, and yet Tacitus saith of Gallus, Etenim vultu offensionem conjectaverat. So again, noting the differing character and manner of his commending Germanicus and Drusus in the Senate, he saith, touching his fashion wherein he carried his speech of Germanicus, thus: Magis in speciem adornatis verbis, quam ut penitus sentire crederetur; but of Drusus thus: Paucioribus sed intentior, et fida oratione; and in another place, speaking of his character of speech when he did anything that was gracious and popular, he saith, “That in other things he was velut eluctantium verbo-rum;” but then again, solutius loquebatur quando subveniret. So that there is no such artificer of dissimulation, nor no such commanded countenance (vultus jussus), that can sever from a feigned tale some of these fashions, either a more slight and careless fashion, or more set and formal, or more tedious and wandering, or coming from a man more drily and hardly.

(17) Neither are deeds such assured pledges as that they may be trusted without a ju-dicious consideration of their magnitude and nature: Fraus sibi in parvis fidem præstruit ut majore emolumento fallat; and the Italian thinketh himself upon the point to be bought and sold, when he is better used than he was wont to be without manifest cause. For small favours, they do but lull men to sleep, both as to caution and as to industry; and are, as Demosthenes calleth them, Alimenta socordiæ. So again we see how false the nature of some deeds are, in that particular which Mutianus practised upon Antonius Primus, upon that hollow and unfaithful reconcilement which was made between them; whereupon Mutianus advanced many of the friends of Antonius, Simul amicis ejus præfecturas et tribunatus largitur: wherein, under pretence to strengthen him, he did desolate him, and won from him his dependents.

(18) As for words, though they be like waters to physicians, full of flattery and uncer-tainty, yet they are not to be despised specially with the advantage of passion and af-fection. For so we see Tiberius, upon a stinging and incensing speech of Agrippina, came a step forth of his dissimulation when he said, “You are hurt because you do not reign;” of which Tacitus saith, Audita hæc raram occulti pectoris vocem elicuere: correptamque Græco versu admonuit, ideo lædi quia non regnaret. And, therefore, the poet doth elegantly call passions tortures that urge men to confess their secrets:-

“Vino torus et ira.”

And experience showeth there are few men so true to themselves and so settled but that, sometimes upon heat, sometimes upon bravery, sometimes upon kindness, sometimes upon trouble of mind and weakness, they open themselves; specially if they be put to it with a counter-dissimulation, according to the proverb of Spain, Di mentira, y sacar as verdad: “Tell a lie and find a truth.”

(19) As for the knowing of men which is at second hand from reports: men’s weak-nesses and faults are best known from their enemies, their virtues and abilities from their friends, their customs and times from their servants, their conceits and opinions from their familiar friends, with whom they discourse most. General fame is light, and the opinions conceived by superiors or equals are deceitful; for to such men are more masked: Verior fama e domesticis emanat.

(20) But the soundest disclosing and expounding of men is by their natures and ends, wherein the weakest sort of men are best interpreted by their natures, and the wisest by their ends. For it was both pleasantly and wisely said (though I think very untruly) by a nuncio of the Pope, returning from a certain nation where he served as lidger; whose opinion being asked touching the appointment of one to go in his place, he wished that in any case they did not send one that was too wise; because no very wise man would ever imagine what they in that country were like to do. And certainly it is an error frequent for men to shoot over, and to suppose deeper ends and more compass reaches than are: the Italian proverb being elegant, and for the most part true:-

“Di danari, di senno, e di fede,

C’è ne manco che non credi.”

“There is commonly less money, less wisdom, and less good faith than men do account upon.”

(21) But princes, upon a far other reason, are best interpreted by their natures, and private persons by their ends. For princes being at the top of human desires, they have for the most part no particular ends whereto they aspire, by distance from which a man might take measure and scale of the rest of their actions and desires; which is one of the causes that maketh their hearts more inscrutable. Neither is it sufficient to inform ourselves in men’s ends and natures of the variety of them only, but also of the predominancy, what humour reigneth most, and what end is principally sought. For so we see, when Tigellinus saw himself outstripped by Petronius Turpilianus in Nero’s humours of pleasures, metus ejus rimatur, he wrought upon Nero’s fears, whereby he broke the other’s neck.

(22) But to all this part of inquiry the most compendious way resteth in three things; the first, to have general acquaintance and inwardness with those which have general acquaintance and look most into the world; and specially according to the diversity of business, and the diversity of persons, to have privacy and conversation with some one friend at least which is perfect and well-intelligenced in every several kind. The second is to keep a good mediocrity in liberty of speech and secrecy; in most things liberty; secrecy where it importeth; for liberty of speech inviteth and provoketh liberty to be used again, and so bringeth much to a man’s knowledge; and secrecy on the other side induceth trust and inwardness. The last is the reducing of a man’s self to this watchful and serene habit, as to make account and purpose, in every conference and action, as well to observe as to act. For as Epictetus would have a philosopher in every particular action to say to himself, Et hoc volo, et etiam institutum servare; so a politic man in everything should say to himself, Et hoc volo, ac etiam aliquid addiscere. I have stayed the longer upon this precept of obtaining good information because it is a main part by itself, which answereth to all the rest. But, above all things, caution must be taken that men have a good stay and hold of themselves, and that this much knowing do not draw on much meddling; for nothing is more unfortunate than light and rash intermeddling in many matters. So that this variety of knowledge tendeth in conclusion but only to this, to make a better and freer choice of those actions which may concern us, and to conduct them with the less error and the more dexterity.

(23) The second precept concerning this knowledge is, for men to take good infor-mation touching their own person, and well to understand themselves; knowing that, as St. James saith, though men look oft in a glass, yet they do suddenly forget them-selves; wherein as the divine glass is the Word of God, so the politic glass is the state of the world, or times wherein we live, in the which we are to behold ourselves.

(24) For men ought to take an impartial view of their own abilities and virtues; and again of their wants and impediments; accounting these with the most, and those other with the least; and from this view and examination to frame the considerations following.

(25) First, to consider how the constitution of their nature sorteth with the general state of the times; which if they find agreeable and fit, then in all things to give themselves more scope and liberty; but if differing and dissonant, then in the whole course of their life to be more close retired, and reserved; as we see in Tiberius, who was never seen at a play, and came not into the senate in twelve of his last years; whereas Augustus Cæsar lived ever in men’s eyes, which Tacitus observeth, alia Tiberio morum via.

(26) Secondly, to consider how their nature sorteth with professions and courses of life, and accordingly to make election, if they be free; and, if engaged, to make the departure at the first opportunity; as we see was done by Duke Valentine, that was designed by his father to a sacerdotal profession, but quitted it soon after in regard of his parts and inclination; being such, nevertheless, as a man cannot tell well whether they were worse for a prince or for a priest.

(27) Thirdly, to consider how they sort with those whom they are like to have com-petitors and concurrents; and to take that course wherein there is most solitude, and themselves like to be most eminent; as Cæsar Julius did, who at first was an orator or pleader; but when he saw the excellency of Cicero, Hortensius, Catulus, and others for eloquence, and saw there was no man of reputation for the wars but Pompeius, upon whom the state was forced to rely, he forsook his course begun towards a civil and popular greatness, and transferred his designs to a martial greatness.

(28) Fourthly, in the choice of their friends and dependents, to proceed according to the composition of their own nature; as we may see in Cæsar, all whose friends and followers were men active and effectual, but not solemn, or of reputation.

(29) Fifthly, to take special heed how they guide themselves by examples, in thinking they can do as they see others do; whereas perhaps their natures and carriages are far differing. In which error it seemeth Pompey was, of whom Cicero saith that he was wont often to say, Sylla potuit, ego non potero? Wherein he was much abused, the natures and proceedings of himself and his example being the unlikest in the world; the one being fierce, violent, and pressing the fact; the other solemn, and full of ma-jesty and circumstance, and therefore the less effectual.

But this precept touching the politic knowledge of ourselves hath many other branches, whereupon we cannot insist.

(30) Next to the well understanding and discerning of a man’s self, there followeth the well opening and revealing a man’s self; wherein we see nothing more usual than for the more able man to make the less show. For there is a great advantage in the well setting forth of a man’s virtues, fortunes, merits; and again, in the artificial covering of a man’s weaknesses, defects, disgraces; staying upon the one, sliding from the other; cherishing the one by circumstances, gracing the other by exposition, and the like. Wherein we see what Tacitus saith of Mutianus, who was the greatest politique of his time, Omnium quæ dixerat feceratque arte quadam ostentator, which requireth indeed some art, lest it turn tedious and arrogant; but yet so, as ostentation (though it be to the first degree of vanity) seemeth to me rather a vice in manners than in policy; for as it is said, Audacter calumniare, semper aliquid hæret; so, except it be in a ridiculous degree of deformity, Audacter te vendita, semper aluquid hæret. For it will stick with the more ignorant and inferior sort of men, though men of wisdom and rank do smile at it and despise it; and yet the authority won with many doth countervail the disdain of a few. But if it be carried with decency and government, as with a natural, pleasant, and ingenious fashion; or at times when it is mixed with some peril and unsafety (as in military persons); or at times when others are most envied; or with easy and careless passage to it and from it, without dwelling too long, or being too serious; or with an equal freedom of taxing a man’s self, as well as gracing himself; or by occasion of repelling or putting down others’ injury or insolency; it doth greatly add to reputation: and surely not a few solid natures, that want this ventosity and cannot sail in the height of the winds, are not without some prejudice and disadvantage by their moderation.

(31) But for these flourishes and enhancements of virtue, as they are not perchance unnecessary, so it is at least necessary that virtue be not disvalued and embased under the just price, which is done in three manners - by offering and obtruding a man’s self, wherein men think he is rewarded when he is accepted; by doing too much, which will not give that which is well done leave to settle, and in the end induceth satiety; and by finding too soon the fruit of a man’s virtue, in commendation, applause, honour, favour; wherein if a man be pleased with a little, let him hear what is truly said: Cave ne insuetus rebus majoribus videaris, si hæc te res parva sicuti magna delectat.

(32) But the covering of defects is of no less importance than the valuing of good parts; which may be done likewise in three manners - by caution, by colour, and by confidence. Caution is when men do ingeniously and discreetly avoid to be put into those things for which they are not proper; whereas contrariwise bold and unquiet spirits will thrust themselves into matters without difference, and so publish and proclaim all their wants. Colour is when men make a way for themselves to have a construction made of their faults or wants, as proceeding from a better cause or in-tended for some other purpose. For of the one it is well said,

“Sæpe latet vitium proximitate boni,”

and therefore whatsoever want a man hath, he must see that he pretend the virtue that shadoweth it; as if he be dull, he must affect gravity; if a coward, mildness; and so the rest. For the second, a man must frame some probable cause why he should not do his best, and why he should dissemble his abilities; and for that purpose must use to dissemble those abilities which are notorious in him, to give colour that his true wants are but industries and dissimulations. For confidence, it is the last but the surest remedy - namely, to depress and seem to despise whatsoever a man cannot attain; observing the good principle of the merchants, who endeavour to raise the price of their own commodities, and to beat down the price of others. But there is a confidence that passeth this other, which is to face out a man’s own defects, in seeming to conceive that he is best in those things wherein he is failing; and, to help that again, to seem on the other side that he hath least opinion of himself in those things wherein he is best: like as we shall see it commonly in poets, that if they show their verses, and you except to any, they will say, “That that line cost them more labour than any of the rest;” and presently will seem to disable and suspect rather some other line, which they know well enough to be the best in the number. But above all, in this righting and helping of a man’s self in his own carriage, he must take heed he show not himself dismantled and exposed to scorn and injury, by too much dulceness, goodness, and facility of nature; but show some sparkles of liberty, spirit, and edge. Which kind of fortified carriage, with a ready rescussing of a man’s self from scorns, is sometimes of necessity imposed upon men by somewhat in their person or fortune; but it ever succeedeth with good felicity.

(33) Another precept of this knowledge is by all possible endeavour to frame the mind to be pliant and obedient to occasion; for nothing hindereth men’s fortunes so much as this: Idem manebat, neque idem decebat - men are where they were, when occasions turn: and therefore to Cato, whom Livy maketh such an architect of fortune, he addeth that he had versatile ingenium. And thereof it cometh that these grave solemn wits, which must be like themselves and cannot make departures, have more dignity than felicity. But in some it is nature to be somewhat vicious and enwrapped, and not easy to turn. In some it is a conceit that is almost a nature, which is, that men can hardly make themselves believe that they ought to change their course, when they have found good by it in former experience. For Machiavel noted wisely how Fabius Maximus would have been temporising still, according to his old bias, when the nature of the war was altered and required hot pursuit. In some other it is want of point and penetration in their judgment, that they do not discern when things have a period, but come in too late after the occasion; as Demosthenes compareth the people of Athens to country fellows, when they play in a fence school, that if they have a blow, then they remove their weapon to that ward, and not before. In some other it is a lothness to lose labours passed, and a conceit that they can bring about occasions to their ply; and yet in the end, when they see no other remedy, then they come to it with disadvantage; as Tarquinius, that gave for the third part of Sibylla’s books the treble price, when he might at first have had all three for the simple. But from whatsoever root or cause this restiveness of mind proceedeth, it is a thing most prejudicial; and nothing is more politic than to make the wheels of our mind concentric and voluble with the wheels of fortune.

(34) Another precept of this knowledge, which hath some affinity with that we last spoke of, but with difference, is that which is well expressed, Fatis accede deisque, that men do not only turn with the occasions, but also run with the occasions, and not strain their credit or strength to over-hard or extreme points; but choose in their actions that which is most passable: for this will preserve men from foil, not occupy them too much about one matter, win opinion of moderation, please the most, and make a show of a perpetual felicity in all they undertake: which cannot but mightily increase reputation.

(35) Another part of this knowledge seemeth to have some repugnancy with the former two, but not as I understand it; and it is that which Demosthenes uttereth in high terms: Et quemadmodum receptum est, ut exercitum ducat imperator, sic et a cordatis viris res ipsæ ducendæ; ut quæipsis videntur, ea gerantur, et non ipsi eventus persequi cogantur. For if we observe we shall find two differing kinds of sufficiency in managing of business: some can make use of occasions aptly and dexterously, but plot little; some can urge and pursue their own plots well, but cannot accommodate nor take in; either of which is very imperfect without the other.

(36) Another part of this knowledge is the observing a good mediocrity in the dec-laring or not declaring a man’s self: for although depth of secrecy, and making way (qualis est via navis in mari, which the French calleth sourdes menées, when men set things in work without opening themselves at all), be sometimes both prosperous and admirable; yet many times dissimulatio errores parit, qui dissimulatorem ipsum illaqueant. And therefore we see the greatest politiques have in a natural and free manner professed their desires, rather than been reserved and disguised in them. For so we see that Lucius Sylla made a kind of profession, “that he wished all men happy or unhappy, as they stood his friends or enemies.” So Cæsar, when he went first into Gaul, made no scruple to profess “that he had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.” So again, as soon as he had begun the war, we see what Cicero saith of him, Alter (meaning of Cæsar) non recusat, sed quodammodo postulat, ut (ut est) sic appelletur tyrannus. So we may see in a letter of Cicero to Atticus, that Augustus Cæsar, in his very entrance into affairs, when he was a darling of the senate, yet in his harangues to the people would swear, Ita parentis honores consequi liceat (which was no less than the tyranny), save that, to help it, he would stretch forth his hand towards a statue of Cæsar’s that was erected in the place: and men laughed and wondered, and said, “Is it possible?” or, “Did you ever hear the like?” and yet thought he meant no hurt; he did it so handsomely and ingenuously. And all these were prosperous: whereas Pompey, who tended to the same ends, but in a more dark and dissembling manner as Tacitus saith of him, Occultior non melior, wherein Sallust concurreth, Ore probo, animo inverecundo, made it his design, by infinite secret engines, to cast the state into an absolute anarchy and confusion, that the state might cast itself into his arms for necessity and protection, and so the sovereign power be put upon him, and he never seen in it: and when he had brought it (as he thought) to that point when he was chosen consul alone, as never any was, yet he could make no great matter of it, because men understood him not; but was fain in the end to go the beaten track of getting arms into his hands, by colour of the doubt of Cæsar’s designs: so tedious, casual, and unfortunate are these deep dissimulations: whereof it seemeth Tacitus made this judgment, that they were a cunning of an inferior form in regard of true policy; attributing the one to Augustus, the other to Tiberius; where, speaking of Livia, he saith, Et cum artibus mariti simulatione filii bene compostia: for surely the continual habit of dissimulation is but a weak and sluggish cunning, and not greatly politic.

(37) Another precept of this architecture of fortune is to accustom our minds to judge of the proportion or value of things, as they conduce and are material to our particular ends; and that to do substantially and not superficially. For we shall find the logical part (as I may term it) of some men’s minds good, but the mathematical part erroneous; that is, they can well judge of consequences, but not of proportions and comparison, preferring things of show and sense before things of substance and effect. So some fall in love with access to princes, others with popular fame and applause, supposing they are things of great purchase, when in many cases they are but matters of envy, peril, and impediment. So some measure things according to the labour and difficulty or assiduity which are spent about them; and think, if they be ever moving, that they must needs advance and proceed; as Cæsar saith in a despising manner of Cato the second, when he describeth how laborious and indefatigable he was to no great purpose, Hæc omnia magno studio agebat. So in most things men are ready to abuse themselves in thinking the greatest means to be best, when it should be the fittest.

(38) As for the true marshalling of men’s pursuits towards their fortune, as they are more or less material, I hold them to stand thus. First the amendment of their own minds. For the removal of the impediments of the mind will sooner clear the passages of fortune than the obtaining fortune will remove the impediments of the mind. In the second place I set down wealth and means; which I know most men would have placed first, because of the general use which it beareth towards all variety of occasions. But that opinion I may condemn with like reason as Machiavel doth that other, that moneys were the sinews of the wars; whereas (saith he) the true sinews of the wars are the sinews of men’s arms, that is, a valiant, populous, and military nation: and he voucheth aptly the authority of Solon, who, when Crœsus showed him his treasury of gold, said to him, that if another came that had better iron, he would be master of his gold. In like manner it may be truly affirmed that it is not moneys that are the sinews of fortune, but it is the sinews and steel of men’s minds, wit, courage, audacity, resolution, temper, industry, and the like. In the third place I set down reputation, because of the peremptory tides and currents it hath; which, if they be not taken in their due time, are seldom recovered, it being extreme hard to play an after-game of reputation. And lastly I place honour, which is more easily won by any of the other three, much more by all, than any of them can be purchased by honour. To conclude this precept, as there is order and priority in matter, so is there in time, the preposterous placing whereof is one of the commonest errors: while men fly to their ends when they should intend their beginnings, and do not take things in order of time as they come on, but marshal them according to greatness and not according to instance; not observing the good precept, Quod nunc instat agamus.

(39) Another precept of this knowledge is not to embrace any matters which do occupy too great a quantity of time, but to have that sounding in a man’s ears, Sed fugit interea fugit irreparabile tempus: and that is the cause why those which take their course of rising by professions of burden, as lawyers, orators, painful divines, and the like, are not commonly so politic for their own fortune, otherwise than in their ordinary way, because they want time to learn particulars, to wait occasions, and to devise plots.

(40) Another precept of this knowledge is to imitate nature, which doth nothing in vain; which surely a man may do if he do well interlace his business, and bend not his mind too much upon that which he principally intendeth. For a man ought in every particular action so to carry the motions of his mind, and so to have one thing under another, as if he cannot have that he seeketh in the best degree, yet to have it in a second, or so in a third; and if he can have no part of that which he purposed, yet to turn the use of it to somewhat else; and if he cannot make anything of it for the present, yet to make it as a seed of somewhat in time to come; and if he can contrive no effect or substance from it, yet to win some good opinion by it, or the like. So that he should exact an account of himself of every action, to reap somewhat, and not to stand amazed and confused if he fail of that he chiefly meant: for nothing is more impolitic than to mind actions wholly one by one. For he that doth so loseth infinite occasions which intervene, and are many times more proper and propitious for somewhat that he shall need afterwards, than for that which he urgeth for the present; and therefore men must be perfect in that rule, Hæc oportet facere, et illa non imittere.

(41) Another precept of this knowledge is, not to engage a man’s self peremptorily in anything, though it seem not liable to accident; but ever to have a window to fly out at, or a way to retire: following the wisdom in the ancient fable of the two frogs, which consulted when their plash was dry whither they should go; and the one moved to go down into a pit, because it was not likely the water would dry there; but the other answered, “True, but if it do, how shall we get out again?”

(42) Another precept of this knowledge is that ancient precept of Bias, construed not to any point of perfidiousness, but to caution and moderation, Et ama tanquam inimicus futurus et odi tanquam amaturus. For it utterly betrayeth all utility for men to embark themselves too far into unfortunate friendships, troublesome spleens, and childish and humorous envies or emulations.

(43) But I continue this beyond the measure of an example; led, because I would not have such knowledges, which I note as deficient, to be thought things imaginative or in the air, or an observation or two much made of, but things of bulk and mass, whe-reof an end is more hardly made than a beginning. It must be likewise conceived, that in these points which I mention and set down, they are far from complete tractates of them, but only as small pieces for patterns. And lastly, no man I suppose will think that I mean fortunes are not obtained without all this ado; for I know they come tumbling into some men’s laps; and a number obtain good fortunes by diligence in a plain way, little intermeddling, and keeping themselves from gross errors.

(44) But as Cicero, when he setteth down an idea of a perfect orator, doth not mean that every pleader should be such; and so likewise, when a prince or a courtier hath been described by such as have handled those subjects, the mould hath used to be made according to the perfection of the art, and not according to common practice: so I understand it, that it ought to be done in the description of a politic man, I mean politic for his own fortune.

(45) But it must be remembered all this while, that the precepts which we have set down are of that kind which may be counted and called Bonæ Artes. As for evil arts, if a man would set down for himself that principle of Machiavel, “That a man seek not to attain virtue itself, but the appearance only thereof; because the credit of virtue is a help, but the use of it is cumber:” or that other of his principles, “That he presuppose that men are not fitly to be wrought otherwise but by fear; and therefore that he seek to have every man obnoxious, low, and in straits,” which the Italians call seminar spine, to sow thorns: or that other principle, contained in the verse which Cicero citeth, Cadant amici, dummodo inimici intercidant, as the triumvirs, which sold every one to other the lives of their friends for the deaths of their enemies: or that other protestation of L. Catilina, to set on fire and trouble states, to the end to fish in droumy waters, and to unwrap their fortunes, Ego si quid in fortunis meis excitatum sit incendium, id non aqua sed ruina restinguam: or that other principle of Lysander, “That children are to be deceived with comfits, and men with oaths:” and the like evil and corrupt positions, whereof (as in all things) there are more in number than of the good: certainly with these dispensations from the laws of charity and integrity, the pressing of a man’s fortune may be more hasty and compendious. But it is in life as it is in ways, the shortest way is commonly the foulest, and surely the fairer way is not much about.

(46) But men, if they be in their own power, and do bear and sustain themselves, and be not carried away with a whirlwind or tempest of ambition, ought in the pursuit of their own fortune to set before their eyes not only that general map of the world, “That all things are vanity and vexation of spirit,” but many other more particular cards and directions: chiefly that, that being without well-being is a curse, and the greater being the greater curse; and that all virtue is most rewarded and all wickedness most punished in itself: according as the poet saith excellently:

“Quæ vobis, quæ digna, viri pro laudibus istis

Præmia posse rear solvi? pulcherrima primum

Dii moresque dabunt vestri.”

And so of the contrary. And secondly they ought to look up to the Eternal Providence and Divine Judgment, which often subverteth the wisdom of evil plots and imaginations, according to that scripture, “He hath conceived mischief, and shall bring forth a vain thing.” And although men should refrain themselves from injury and evil arts, yet this incessant and Sabbathless pursuit of a man’s fortune leaveth not tribute which we owe to God of our time; who (we see) demandeth a tenth of our substance, and a seventh, which is more strict, of our time: and it is to small purpose to have an erected face towards heaven, and a perpetual grovelling spirit upon earth, eating dust as doth the serpent, Atque affigit humo divinæ particulam auræ. And if any man flatter himself that he will employ his fortune well, though he should obtain it ill, as was said concerning Augustus Cæsar, and after of Septimius Severus, “That either they should never have been born, or else they should never have died,” they did so much mischief in the pursuit and ascent of their greatness, and so much good when they were established; yet these compensations and satisfactions are good to be used, but never good to be purposed. And lastly, it is not amiss for men, in their race towards their fortune, to cool themselves a little with that conceit which is elegantly expressed by the Emperor Charles V., in his instructions to the king his son, “That fortune hath somewhat of the nature of a woman, that if she he too much wooed she is the farther off.” But this last is but a remedy for those whose tastes are corrupted: let men rather build upon that foundation which is as a corner-stone of divinity and philosophy, wherein they join close, namely that same Primum quærite. For divinity saith, Primum quærite regnum Dei, et ista omnia adjicientur vobis: and philosophy saith, Primum quærite bona animi; cætera aut aderunt, aut non oberunt. And although the human foundation hath somewhat of the sands, as we see in M. Brutus, when he broke forth into that speech,

“Te colui (Virtus) ut rem; ast tu nomen inane es;”

yet the divine foundation is upon the rock. But this may serve for a taste of that knowledge which I noted as deficient.

(47) Concerning government, it is a part of knowledge secret and retired in both these respects in which things are deemed secret; for some things are secret because they are hard to know, and some because they are not fit to utter. We see all governments are obscure and invisible:

“Totamque infusa per artus

Mens agitat molem, et magno se corpore miscet.”

Such is the description of governments. We see the government of God over the world is hidden, insomuch as it seemeth to participate of much irregularity and con-fusion. The government of the soul in moving the body is inward and profound, and the passages thereof hardly to be reduced to demonstration. Again, the wisdom of antiquity (the shadows whereof are in the poets) in the description of torments and pains, next unto the crime of rebellion, which was the giants’ offence, doth detest the offence of futility, as in Sisyphus and Tantalus. But this was meant of particulars: nevertheless even unto the general rules and discourses of policy and government there is due a reverent and reserved handling.

(48) But contrariwise in the governors towards the governed, all things ought as far as the frailty of man permitteth to be manifest and revealed. For so it is expressed in the Scriptures touching the government of God, that this globe, which seemeth to us a dark and shady body, is in the view of God as crystal: Et in conspectu sedis tanquam mare vitreum simile crystallo. So unto princes and states, and specially towards wise senates and councils, the natures and dispositions of the people, their conditions and necessities, their factions and combinations, their animosities and discontents, ought to be, in regard of the variety of their intelligences, the wisdom of their observations, and the height of their station where they keep sentinel, in great part clear and transparent. Wherefore, considering that I write to a king that is a master of this science, and is so well assisted, I think it decent to pass over this part in silence, as willing to obtain the certificate which one of the ancient philosophers aspired unto; who being silent, when others contended to make demonstration of their abilities by speech, desired it might be certified for his part, “That there was one that knew how to hold his peace.”

(49) Notwithstanding, for the more public part of government, which is laws, I think good to note only one deficiency; which is, that all those which have written of laws have written either as philosophers or as lawyers, and none as statesmen. As for the philosophers, they make imaginary laws for imaginary commonwealths, and their dis-courses are as the stars, which give little light because they are so high. For the lawyers, they write according to the states where they live what is received law, and not what ought to be law; for the wisdom of a law-maker is one, and of a lawyer is another. For there are in nature certain fountains of justice whence all civil laws are derived but as streams; and like as waters do take tinctures and tastes from the soils through which they run, so do civil laws vary according to the regions and governments where they are planted, though they proceed from the same fountains. Again, the wisdom of a law-maker consisteth not only in a platform of justice, but in the application thereof; taking into consideration by what means laws may be made certain, and what are the causes and remedies of the doubtfulness and uncertainty of law; by what means laws may be made apt and easy to be executed, and what are the impediments and remedies in the execution of laws; what influence laws touching private right of meum and tuum have into the public state, and how they may be made apt and agreeable; how laws are to be penned and delivered, whether in texts or in Acts, brief or large, with preambles or without; how they are to be pruned and reformed from time to time, and what is the best means to keep them from being too vast in volume, or too full of multiplicity and crossness; how they are to be expounded, when upon causes emergent and judicially discussed, and when upon responses and conferences touching general points or questions; how they are to be pressed, rigorously or tenderly; how they are to be mitigated by equity and good conscience, and whether discretion and strict law are to be mingled in the same courts, or kept apart in several courts; again, how the practice, profession, and erudition of law is to be censured and governed; and many other points touching the administration and (as I may term it) animation of laws. Upon which I insist the less, because I purpose (if God give me leave), having begun a work of this nature in aphorisms, to propound it hereafter, noting it in the meantime for deficient.

(50) And for your Majesty’s laws of England, I could say much of their dignity, and somewhat of their defect; but they cannot but excel the civil laws in fitness for the government, for the civil law was nonhos quæsitum munus in usus; it was not made for the countries which it governeth. Hereof I cease to speak because I will not in-termingle matter of action with matter of general learning.

XXIV. 

Thus have I concluded this portion of learning touching civil knowledge; and with civil knowledge have concluded human philosophy; and with human philosophy, phi-losophy in general. And being now at some pause, looking back into that I have passed through, this writing seemeth to me (si nunquam fallit imago), as far as a man can judge of his own work, not much better than that noise or sound which musicians make while they are in tuning their instruments, which is nothing pleasant to hear, but yet is a cause why the music is sweeter afterwards. So have I been content to tune the instruments of the Muses, that they may play that have better hands. And surely, when I set before me the condition of these times, in which learning hath made her third visitation or circuit in all the qualities thereof; as the excellency and vivacity of the wits of this age; the noble helps and lights which we have by the travails of ancient writers; the art of printing, which communicateth books to men of all fortunes; the openness of the world by navigation, which hath disclosed multitudes of experiments, and a mass of natural history; the leisure wherewith these times abound, not employing men so generally in civil business, as the states of Græcia did, in respect of their popularity, and the state of Rome, in respect of the greatness of their monarchy; the present disposition of these times at this instant to peace; the consumption of all that ever can be said in controversies of religion, which have so much diverted men from other sciences; the perfection of your Majesty’s learning, which as a phœnix may call whole volleys of wits to follow you; and the inseparable propriety of time, which is ever more and more to disclose truth; I cannot but be raised to this persuasion, that this third period of time will far surpass that of the Grecian and Roman learning; only if men will know their own strength and their own weakness both; and take, one from the other, light of invention, and not fire of contradiction; and esteem of the inquisition of truth as of an enterprise, and not as of a quality or ornament; and employ wit and magnificence to things of worth and excellency, and not to things vulgar and of popular estimation. As for my labours, if any man shall please himself or others in the reprehension of them, they shall make that ancient and patient request, Verbera, sed audi: let men reprehend them, so they observe and weigh them. For the appeal is lawful (though it may be it shall not be needful) from the first cogitations of men to their second, and from the nearer times to the times further off. Now let us come to that learning, which both the former times were not so blessed as to know, sacred and inspired divinity, the Sabbath and port of all men’s labours and peregrinations.

XXV. 

(1) The prerogative of God extendeth as well to the reason as to the will of man: so that as we are to obey His law, though we find a reluctation in our will, so we are to believe His word, though we find a reluctation in our reason. For if we believe only that which is agreeable to our sense we give consent to the matter, and not to the au-thor; which is no more than we would do towards a suspected and discredited witness; but that faith which was accounted to Abraham for righteousness was of such a point as whereat Sarah laughed, who therein was an image of natural reason.

(2) Howbeit (if we will truly consider of it) more worthy it is to believe than to know as we now know. For in knowledge man’s mind suffereth from sense: but in belief it suffereth from spirit, such one as it holdeth for more authorised than itself and so suffereth from the worthier agent. Otherwise it is of the state of man glorified; for then faith shall cease, and we shall know as we are known.

(3) Wherefore we conclude that sacred theology (which in our idiom we call divinity) is grounded only upon the word and oracle of God, and not upon the light of nature: for it is written, Cæli enarrant gloriam Dei; but it is not written, Cæli enarrant voluntatem Dei: but of that it is said, Ad legem et testimonium: si non fecerint se-cundum verbum istud, &amp;c. This holdeth not only in those points of faith which con-cern the great mysteries of the Deity, of the creation, of the redemption, but likewise those which concern the law moral, truly interpreted: “Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you; be like to your heavenly Father, that suffereth His rain to fall upon the just and unjust.” To this it ought to be applauded, Nec vox hominem sonat: it is a voice beyond the light of nature. So we see the heathen poets, when they fall upon a libertine passion, do still expostulate with laws and moralities, as if they were opposite and malignant to nature: Et quod natura remittit, invida jura negant. So said Dendamis the Indian unto Alexander’s messengers, that he had heard somewhat of Pythagoras, and some other of the wise men of Græcia, and that he held them for excellent men: but that they had a fault, which was that they had in too great reverence and veneration a thing they called law and manners. So it must be confessed that a great part of the law moral is of that perfection whereunto the light of nature cannot aspire: how then is it that man is said to have, by the light and law of nature, some notions and conceits of virtue and vice, justice and wrong, good and evil? Thus, because the light of nature is used in two several senses: the one, that which springeth from reason, sense, induction, argument, according to the laws of heaven and earth; the other, that which is imprinted upon the spirit of man by an inward instinct, according to the law of conscience, which is a sparkle of the purity of his first estate: in which latter sense only he is participant of some light and discerning touching the perfection of the moral law; but how? sufficient to check the vice but not to inform the duty. So then the doctrine of religion, as well moral as mystical, is not to be attained but by inspiration and revelation from God.

(4) The use notwithstanding of reason in spiritual things, and the latitude thereof, is very great and general: for it is not for nothing that the apostle calleth religion “our reasonable service of God;” insomuch as the very ceremonies and figures of the old law were full of reason and signification, much more than the ceremonies of idolatry and magic, that are full of non-significants and surd characters. But most specially the Christian faith, as in all things so in this, deserveth to be highly magnified; holding and preserving the golden mediocrity in this point between the law of the heathen and the law of Mahomet, which have embraced the two extremes. For the religion of the heathen had no constant belief or confession, but left all to the liberty of agent; and the religion of Mahomet on the other side interdicteth argument altogether: the one having the very face of error, and the other of imposture; whereas the Faith doth both admit and reject disputation with difference.

(5) The use of human reason in religion is of two sorts: the former, in the conception and apprehension of the mysteries of God to us revealed; the other, in the inferring and deriving of doctrine and direction thereupon. The former extendeth to the mysteries themselves; but how? by way of illustration, and not by way of argument. The latter consisteth indeed of probation and argument. In the former we see God vouchsafeth to descend to our capacity, in the expressing of His mysteries in sort as may be sensible unto us; and doth graft His revelations and holy doctrine upon the notions of our reason, and applieth His inspirations to open our understanding, as the form of the key to the ward of the lock. For the latter there is allowed us a use of reason and argument, secondary and respective, although not original and absolute. For after the articles and principles of religion are placed and exempted from examination of reason, it is then permitted unto us to make derivations and inferences from and according to the analogy of them, for our better direction. In nature this holdeth not; for both the principles are examinable by induction, though not by a medium or syllogism; and besides, those principles or first positions have no discordance with that reason which draweth down and deduceth the inferior positions. But yet it holdeth not in religion alone, but in many knowledges, both of greater and smaller nature, namely, wherein there are not only posita but placita; for in such there can be no use of absolute reason. We see it familiarly in games of wit, as chess, or the like. The draughts and first laws of the game are positive, but how? merely ad placitum, and not examinable by reason; but then how to direct our play thereupon with best advantage to win the game is artificial and rational. So in human laws there be many grounds and maxims which are placita juris, positive upon authority, and not upon reason, and therefore not to be disputed: but what is most just, not absolutely but relatively, and according to those maxims, that affordeth a long field of disputation. Such therefore is that secondary reason, which hath place in divinity, which is grounded upon the placets of God.

(6) Here therefore I note this deficiency, that there hath not been, to my understanding, sufficiently inquired and handled the true limits and use of reason in spiritual things, as a kind of divine dialectic: which for that it is not done, it seemeth to me a thing usual, by pretext of true conceiving that which is revealed, to search and mine into that which is not revealed; and by pretext of enucleating inferences and contradictories, to examine that which is positive. The one sort falling into the error of Nicodemus, demanding to have things made more sensible than it pleaseth God to reveal them, Quomodo possit homo nasci cum sit senex? The other sort into the error of the disciples, which were scandalised at a show of contradiction, Quid est hoc quod dicit nobis? Modicum et non videbitis me; et iterum, modicum, et videbitis me, &amp;c.

(7) Upon this I have insisted the more, in regard of the great and blessed use thereof; for this point well laboured and defined of would in my judgment be an opiate to stay and bridle not only the vanity of curious speculations, wherewith the schools labour, but the fury of controversies, wherewith the Church laboureth. For it cannot but open men’s eyes to see that many controversies do merely pertain to that which is either not revealed or positive; and that many others do grow upon weak and obscure inferences or derivations: which latter sort, if men would revive the blessed style of that great doctor of the Gentiles, would be carried thus, ego, non dominus; and again, secundum consilium meum, in opinions and counsels, and not in positions and oppositions. But men are now over-ready to usurp the style, non ego, sed dominus; and not so only, but to bind it with the thunder and denunciation of curses and anathemas, to the terror of those which have not sufficiently learned out of Solomon that “The causeless curse shall not come.”

(8) Divinity hath two principal parts: the matter informed or revealed, and the nature of the information or revelation; and with the latter we will begin, because it hath most coherence with that which we have now last handled. The nature of the information consisteth of three branches: the limits of the information, the sufficiency of the information, and the acquiring or obtaining the information. Unto the limits of the information belong these considerations: how far forth particular persons continue to be inspired; how far forth the Church is inspired; and how far forth reason may be used; the last point whereof I have noted as deficient. Unto the sufficiency of the information belong two considerations: what points of religion are fundamental, and what perfective, being matter of further building and perfection upon one and the same foundation; and again, how the gradations of light according to the dispensation of times are material to the sufficiency of belief.

(9) Here again I may rather give it in advice than note it as deficient, that the points fundamental, and the points of further perfection only, ought to be with piety and wisdom distinguished; a subject tending to much like end as that I noted before; for as that other were likely to abate the number of controversies, so this is likely to abate the heat of many of them. We see Moses when he saw the Israelite and the Egyptian fight, he did not say, “Why strive you?” but drew his sword and slew the Egyptian; but when he saw the two Israelites fight, he said, “You are brethren, why strive you?” If the point of doctrine be an Egyptian, it must be slain by the sword of the Spirit, and not reconciled; but if it be an Israelite, though in the wrong, then, “Why strive you?” We see of the fundamental points, our Saviour penneth the league thus, “He that is not with us is against us;” but of points not fundamental, thus, “He that is not against us is with us.” So we see the coat of our Saviour was entire without seam, and so is the doctrine of the Scriptures in itself; but the garment of the Church was of divers colours and yet not divided. We see the chaff may and ought to be severed from the corn in the ear, but the tares may not be pulled up from the corn in the field. So as it is a thing of great use well to define what, and of what latitude, those points are which do make men mere aliens and disincorporate from the Church of God.

(10) For the obtaining of the information, it resteth upon the true and sound inter-pretation of the Scriptures, which are the fountains of the water of life. The inter-pretations of the Scriptures are of two sorts: methodical, and solute or at large. For this divine water, which excelleth so much that of Jacob’s well, is drawn forth much in the same kind as natural water useth to be out of wells and fountains; either it is first forced up into a cistern, and from thence fetched and derived for use; or else it is drawn and received in buckets and vessels immediately where it springeth. The former sort whereof, though it seem to be the more ready, yet in my judgment is more subject to corrupt. This is that method which hath exhibited unto us the scholastical divinity; whereby divinity hath been reduced into an art, as into a cistern, and the streams of doctrine or positions fetched and derived from thence.

(11) In this men have sought three things, a summary brevity, a compacted strength, and a complete perfection; whereof the two first they fail to find, and the last they ought not to seek. For as to brevity, we see in all summary methods, while men pur-pose to abridge, they give cause to dilate. For the sum or abridgment by contraction becometh obscure; the obscurity requireth exposition, and the exposition is deduced into large commentaries, or into commonplaces and titles, which grow to be more vast than the original writings, whence the sum was at first extracted. So we see the volumes of the schoolmen are greater much than the first writings of the fathers, whence the master of the sentences made his sum or collection. So in like manner the volumes of the modern doctors of the civil law exceed those of the ancient jurisconsults, of which Tribonian compiled the digest. So as this course of sums and commentaries is that which doth infallibly make the body of sciences more immense in quantity, and more base in substance.

(12) And for strength, it is true that knowledges reduced into exact methods have a show of strength, in that each part seemeth to support and sustain the other; but this is more satisfactory than substantial, like unto buildings which stand by architecture and compaction, which are more subject to ruin than those that are built more strong in their several parts, though less compacted. But it is plain that the more you recede from your grounds, the weaker do you conclude; and as in nature, the more you re-move yourself from particulars, the greater peril of error you do incur; so much more in divinity, the more you recede from the Scriptures by inferences and consequences, the more weak and dilute are your positions.

(13) And as for perfection or completeness in divinity, it is not to be sought, which makes this course of artificial divinity the more suspect. For he that will reduce a knowledge into an art will make it round and uniform; but in divinity many things must be left abrupt, and concluded with this: O altitudo sapientiæ et scientiæ Dei! quam incomprehensibilia sunt juducua ejus, et non investigabiles viæ ejus. So again the apostle saith, Ex parte scimus: and to have the form of a total, where there is but matter for a part, cannot be without supplies by supposition and presumption. And therefore I conclude that the true use of these sums and methods hath place in insti-tutions or introductions preparatory unto knowledge; but in them, or by deducement from them, to handle the main body and substance of a knowledge is in all sciences prejudicial, and in divinity dangerous.

(14) As to the interpretation of the Scriptures solute and at large, there have been divers kinds introduced and devised; some of them rather curious and unsafe than sober and warranted. Notwithstanding, thus much must be confessed, that the Scriptures, being given by inspiration and not by human reason, do differ from all other books in the Author, which by consequence doth draw on some difference to be used by the expositor. For the Inditer of them did know four things which no man attains to know; which are - the mysteries of the kingdom of glory, the perfection of the laws of nature, the secrets of the heart of man, and the future succession of all ages. For as to the first it is said, “He that presseth into the light shall be oppressed of the glory.” And again, “No man shall see My face and live.” To the second, “When He prepared the heavens I was present, when by law and compass He enclosed the deep.” To the third, “Neither was it needful that any should bear witness to Him of man, for He knew well what was in man.” And to the last, “From the beginning are known to the Lord all His works.”

(15) From the former two of these have been drawn certain senses and expositions of Scriptures, which had need be contained within the bounds of sobriety - the one anagogical, and the other philosophical. But as to the former, man is not to prevent his time: Videmus nunc per speculum in ænigmate, tunc autem facie ad faciem; wherein nevertheless there seemeth to be a liberty granted, as far forth as the polishing of this glass, or some moderate explication of this enigma. But to press too far into it cannot but cause a dissolution and overthrow of the spirit of man. For in the body there are three degrees of that we receive into it - aliment, medicine, and poison; whereof aliment is that which the nature of man can perfectly alter and overcome; medicine is that which is partly converted by nature, and partly converteth nature; and poison is that which worketh wholly upon nature, without that nature can in any part work upon it. So in the mind, whatsoever knowledge reason cannot at all work upon and convert is a mere intoxication, and endangereth a dissolution of the mind and understanding.

(16) But for the latter, it hath been extremely set on foot of late time by the school of Paracelsus, and some others, that have pretended to find the truth of all natural philosophy in the Scriptures; scandalising and traducing all other philosophy as hea-thenish and profane. But there is no such enmity between God’s Word and His works; neither do they give honour to the Scriptures, as they suppose, but much embase them. For to seek heaven and earth in the Word of God, whereof it is said, “Heaven and earth shall pass, but My word shall not pass,” is to seek temporary things amongst eternal: and as to seek divinity in philosophy is to seek the living amongst the dead, so to seek philosophy in divinity is to seek the dead amongst the living: neither are the pots or lavers, whose place was in the outward part of the temple, to be sought in the holiest place of all where the ark of the testimony was seated. And again, the scope or purpose of the Spirit of God is not to express matters of nature in the Scriptures, otherwise than in passage, and for application to man’s capacity and to matters moral or divine. And it is a true rule, Auctoris aliud agentis parva auctoritas. For it were a strange conclusion, if a man should use a similitude for ornament or illustration sake, borrowed from nature or history according to vulgar conceit, as of a basilisk, a unicorn, a centaur, a Briareus, a hydra, or the like, that therefore he must needs be thought to affirm the matter thereof positively to be true. To conclude therefore these two interpretations, the one by reduction or enigmatical, the other philosophical or physical, which have been received and pursued in imitation of the rabbins and cabalists, are to be confined with a a noli akryn sapere, sed time.

(17) But the two latter points, known to God and unknown to man, touching the se-crets of the heart and the successions of time, doth make a just and sound difference between the manner of the exposition of the Scriptures and all other books. For it is an excellent observation which hath been made upon the answers of our Saviour Christ to many of the questions which were propounded to Him, how that they are impertinent to the state of the question demanded: the reason whereof is, because not being like man, which knows man’s thoughts by his words, but knowing man’s thoughts immediately, He never answered their words, but their thoughts. Much in the like manner it is with the Scriptures, which being written to the thoughts of men, and to the succession of all ages, with a foresight of all heresies, contradictions, differing estates of the Church, yea, and particularly of the elect, are not to be interpreted only according to the latitude of the proper sense of the place, and respectively towards that present occasion whereupon the words were uttered, or in precise congruity or contexture with the words before or after, or in contemplation of the principal scope of the place; but have in themselves, not only totally or collectively, but distributively in clauses and words, infinite springs and streams of doctrine to water the Church in every part. And therefore as the literal sense is, as it were, the main stream or river, so the moral sense chiefly, and sometimes the allegorical or typical, are they whereof the Church hath most use; not that I wish men to be bold in allegories, or indulgent or light in allusions: but that I do much condemn that interpretation of the Scripture which is only after the manner as men use to interpret a profane book.

(18) In this part touching the exposition of the Scriptures, I can report no deficiency; but by way of remembrance this I will add. In perusing books of divinity I find many books of controversies, and many of commonplaces and treatises, a mass of positive divinity, as it is made an art: a number of sermons and lectures, and many prolix commentaries upon the Scriptures, with harmonies and concordances. But that form of writing in divinity which in my judgment is of all others most rich and precious is positive divinity, collected upon particular texts of Scriptures in brief observations; not dilated into commonplaces, not chasing after controversies, not reduced into method of art; a thing abounding in sermons, which will vanish, but defective in books which will remain, and a thing wherein this age excelleth. For I am persuaded, and I may speak it with an absit invidia verbo, and nowise in derogation of antiquity, but as in a good emulation between the vine and the olive, that if the choice and best of those observations upon texts of Scriptures which have been made dispersedly in sermons within this your Majesty’s Island of Brittany by the space of these forty years and more (leaving out the largeness of exhortations and applications thereupon) had been set down in a continuance, it had been the best work in divinity which had been written since the Apostles’ times.

(19) The matter informed by divinity is of two kinds: matter of belief and truth of opinion, and matter of service and adoration; which is also judged and directed by the former - the one being as the internal soul of religion, and the other as the external body thereof. And, therefore, the heathen religion was not only a worship of idols, but the whole religion was an idol in itself; for it had no soul; that is, no certainty of belief or confession: as a man may well think, considering the chief doctors of their church were the poets; and the reason was because the heathen gods were no jealous gods, but were glad to be admitted into part, as they had reason. Neither did they respect the pureness of heart, so they might have external honour and rites.

(20) But out of these two do result and issue four main branches of divinity: faith, manners, liturgy, and government. Faith containeth the doctrine of the nature of God, of the attributes of God, and of the works of God. The nature of God consisteth of three persons in unity of Godhead. The attributes of God are either common to the Deity, or respective to the persons. The works of God summary are two, that of the creation and that of the redemption; and both these works, as in total they appertain to the unity of the Godhead, so in their parts they refer to the three persons: that of the creation, in the mass of the matter, to the Father; in the disposition of the form, to the Son; and in the continuance and conservation of the being, to the Holy Spirit. So that of the redemption, in the election and counsel, to the Father; in the whole act and consummation, to the Son; and in the application, to the Holy Spirit; for by the Holy Ghost was Christ conceived in flesh, and by the Holy Ghost are the elect regenerate in spirit. This work likewise we consider either effectually, in the elect; or privately, in the reprobate; or according to appearance, in the visible Church.

(21) For manners, the doctrine thereof is contained in the law, which discloseth sin. The law itself is divided, according to the edition thereof, into the law of nature, the law moral, and the law positive; and according to the style, into negative and affirma-tive, prohibitions and commandments. Sin, in the matter and subject thereof, is di-vided according to the commandments; in the form thereof it referreth to the three persons in Deity: sins of infirmity against the Father, whose more special attribute is power; sins of ignorance against the Son, whose attribute is wisdom; and sins of ma-lice against the Holy Ghost, whose attribute is grace or love. In the motions of it, it either moveth to the right hand or to the left; either to blind devotion or to profane and libertine transgression; either in imposing restraint where God granteth liberty, or in taking liberty where God imposeth restraint. In the degrees and progress of it, it divideth itself into thought, word, or act. And in this part I commend much the deducing of the law of God to cases of conscience; for that I take indeed to be a breaking, and not exhibiting whole of the bread of life. But that which quickeneth both these doctrines of faith and manners is the elevation and consent of the heart; whereunto appertain books of exhortation, holy meditation, Christian resolution, and the like.

(22) For the liturgy or service, it consisteth of the reciprocal acts between God and man; which, on the part of God, are the preaching of the word, and the sacraments, which are seals to the covenant, or as the visible word; and on the part of man, invocation of the name of God; and under the law, sacrifices; which were as visible prayers or confessions: but now the adoration being in spiritu et veritate, there remaineth only vituli labiorum; although the use of holy vows of thankfulness and retribution may be accounted also as sealed petitions.

(23) And for the government of the Church, it consisteth of the patrimony of the Church, the franchises of the Church, and the offices and jurisdictions of the Church, and the laws of the Church directing the whole; all which have two considerations, the one in themselves, the other how they stand compatible and agreeable to the civil estate.

(24) This matter of divinity is handled either in form of instruction of truth, or in form of confutation of falsehood. The declinations from religion, besides the priva-tive, which is atheism and the branches thereof, are three - heresies, idolatry, and witchcraft: heresies, when we serve the true God with a false worship; idolatry, when we worship false gods, supposing them to be true; and witchcraft, when we adore false gods, knowing them to be wicked and false. For so your Majesty doth excellently well observe, that witchcraft is the height of idolatry. And yet we see though these be true degrees, Samuel teacheth us that they are all of a nature, when there is once a receding from the Word of God; for so he saith, Quasi peccatum ariolandi est repugnare, et quasi scelus idololatriæ nolle acquiescere.

(25) These things I have passed over so briefly because I can report no deficiency concerning them: for I can find no space or ground that lieth vacant and unsown in the matter of divinity, so diligent have men been either in sowing of good seed, or in sowing of tares.

Thus have I made as it were a small globe of the intellectual world, as truly and faith-fully as I could discover; with a note and description of those parts which seem to me not constantly occupate, or not well converted by the labour of man. In which, if I have in any point receded from that which is commonly received, it hath been with a purpose of proceeding in melius, and not in aliud; a mind of amendment and pro-ficiency, and not of change and difference. For I could not be true and constant to the argument I handle if I were not willing to go beyond others; but yet not more willing than to have others go beyond me again: which may the better appear by this, that I have propounded my opinions naked and unarmed, not seeking to preoccupate the liberty of men’s judgments by confutations. For in anything which is well set down, I am in good hope that if the first reading move an objection, the second reading will make an answer. And in those things wherein I have erred, I am sure I have not prejudiced the right by litigious arguments; which certainly have this contrary effect and operation, that they add authority to error, and destroy the authority of that which is well invented. For question is an honour and preferment to falsehood, as on the other side it is a repulse to truth. But the errors I claim and challenge to myself as mine own. The good, it any be, is due tanquam adeps sacrificii, to be incensed to the honour, first of the Divine Majesty, and next of your Majesty, to whom on earth I am most bounden.</text>
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== the next big problem: interwiki links between language source wiki ==

I just made a data for a Polish wikisource for [[The New Accelerator]].  They just used the data for our Amazing Stories version, which was also 1926.  If they had hijacked [[:d:Q7753474]] I would have been glad and left it there.  How many Polish translations are there?

So, now I am thinking about how to get this pl.ws link to our versions page.  And I am thinking that the only way to do it is to make a redirect at Polish source to put onto that main (not a version) data.  Most of the links I have found that have hijacked our versions have been Japanese.  Maybe some Russian also.  

To make these redirects, I would need permission from the &quot;redirect deleters&quot; at those sources, if they exist.  Also, my &quot;{{wdl|Q5273585|Dick and Jane}}&quot;&lt;ref&gt;I read about a &quot;font bias&quot; that the few generations of children in the US who learned to read from these same books.  All of us; maybe two whole generations.  And I believe it.&lt;/ref&gt; eyes/brain would have to submit more than they have already.  It is ''scary'' to paste foreign script and this seems biased (because it is) but the more unlike my own alphabet it is, the more scary it is.

So, I am here first (consider yourself less scary than pasting foreign scripts) because ''maybe'' there is another solution to this.  Version pages shuffling through the data looking for source links to other wiki would not be so bad as the fable page, but I think that the redirects is by far the better of the two options.  Perhaps there is a third that is better than the other two except for not having been thought of yet.

This is off the top of my head where many things there are a mess: I will clarify whenever necessary.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:16, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

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== Plays for 2025 ==

Here is a list of the plays I would like to complete this year, but for which I do not have a DjVu.  If you have the time, could you please provide DjVu files?

The first two will ''definitely'' need to be uploaded locally, as the books are UK published and Murray, an anglo-Australian, died in 1957.  The third one ''may'' need to be uploaded locally; I am unsure of the status for a book published in Japan in 1907 where the author died in 1947. 

* ''The Alcestis of Euripides'', repr. (1915), transl. by Murray {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/alcestistranslat00euriuoft/}} (UK / Australia, '''d.'''1957) {{ssl|The Alcestis of Euripides (Murray 1920).djvu}}
* ''The Bacchae of Euripides'', 2nd ed. (1906), transl. by Murray {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/bacchaetranslate00euriuoft/}} (UK / Australia, '''d.'''1957) {{ssl|The Bacchae of Euripides (1906).djvu}}
* ''[[Ten Kiogen in English]]'' (1907), transl. by [[Author:Yone Noguchi|Yone Noguchi]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/tenkiogeninengli0000yone}} (Japan, '''d.'''1947) {{ssl|Ten Kiogen in English (1907).djvu}}
* ''The Creditor'' (1910) by [[Author:August Strindberg|August Strindberg]] {{esl|https://archive.org/details/creditortragicco00stri}} {{ssl|The Creditor (1910).djvu}}
* ''He Who Gets Slapped'' ([[Author:Leonid Nikolayevich Andreyev|Andreyev]]) (translator [[Author:Gregory Zilboorg|Zilboorg]]; Russia, '''d.''' 1959) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/hewhogetsslapped0000unse}} {{ssl|He who gets Slapped (1949).djvu}}
* ''The Phantom'' (1856) by [[Author:Dion Boucicault|Dion Boucicault]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/phantomdramaintw00bouc_0}} {{ssl|The Phantom (1856).djvu}}
* ''The Adding Machine'' (1923) by [[Author:Elmer Rice|Elmer Rice]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/addingmachine0000elme}} {{ssl|The Adding Machine (1923).djvu}}
* ''Euripides'', Vol. II, transl. [[Author:Arthur Sanders Way|Arthur S. Way]].  I recommend saving as [[:File:Euripides (Way 1929) v2.djvu]] to match the Sophocles volumes from the set. {{esl|https://archive.org/details/euripideswitheng02euri|}} {{ssl|Euripides (Way 1929) v2.djvu}}

These will likely be the only remaining ones I will need for the year.  No hurry on any these, as I have projects occupying my time for March.  Thanks, --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:49, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I have added just one more the the end of the list, and yes, it is just volume II (out of IV).  This volume has a play not present in the earlier edition of Way that I've been working on. Since the other three volumes duplicate content we already have, or soon will have, those other volumes are not needed.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:10, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: All should be done now, albeit with very superficial quality control. I've added {{tl|ssl}} links to the list above.{{pbr}}The Japanese work was published while the Japanese term was pma. 50 and had expired before the term was extended to pma. 70, so I uploaded it to Commons. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover#top|talk]]) 11:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks so much! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== Paragraph spacing, again ==

Could you, if you can find the time, answer at [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css]]? Jan also pointed out something interesting, which is that we ''will'' be wanting to revert it in running text, because paragraphs that were given extra spacing in the source (which we do by something like margin-top:1em), now appear to just be normal. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:30, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

== End of proposal regarding paragraph spacing ==

@[[User:Xover|Xover]]: [[WS:S#Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing]] has been open for about 8 days as of the time of writing. No concern or opposition was brought up. I think that here we have community approval for that.

As the (currently) only interface administrator, it falls upon you to close and action that. I'd appreciate if you could do that when you find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]]: I'm hoping to have some down time the first week of July to look at this (and a couple of other issues). Feel free to reping me then if you don't see anything happening. If anything urgent pops up then please email me. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover#top|talk]]) 04:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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De Greef regards inattention to the foregoing principle as 
the reason for poverty of results in sociology since Comte. 
Society is not simplicity, but extreme complexity. Comte wanted 
society to be regarded as a whole. He wanted explanation of its 
parts to proceed from explanation of the whole, instead of procedure from the parts to the whole. He did not encourage study 
of the isolated parts. Referring possibly to Comte's fourfold 
division of societary evolution in the modern world—namely, 
the industrial, the aesthetic, the scientific, and the philosophical&lt;ref&gt;''Pos. Phil''., Vol. VI, pp. 51, 53, 54, 56.&lt;/ref&gt; —De Greef seems to have attributed to Comte a classification 
which cannot be found in the ''Positive Philosophy''. At all events, 
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De Greef's point of departure is selection of a psychical 
factor—contract—to mark the division line between the physical and the social. Upon the basis of conclusion that Spencer's 
criteria of distinction between the physical and the social are 
merely quantitative and mechanical instead of qualitative (i. e., 
the greater distance between the elements and the distribution 
of consciousness among the elements), De Greef claims that 
neither Comte nor Spencer has adduced adequate reasons for 
separating sociology from biology.&lt;ref&gt;''Ibid.'', Vol. I, pp. 19-23.&lt;/ref&gt; Throughout De Greef's 
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exists. Though we may be monistic in our theory of reality, 
we are necessarily dualistic in our apprehension of phenomena.&lt;ref&gt;''Cf.'' below, p. 632. &lt;/ref&gt; 
Accordingly, every form of expression whatever which tends to 
obliterate the distinction in consciousness between the physical 
and the psychical in societary relationships must be regarded as 
a crudity in our symbolism. We all regard the social reality as 
something that cannot be reported accurately in terms of factors 
more elementary than the attributes of human individuals. 
Whether we shall symbolize what we can find out about associations of individuals in terms of quantity, or quality, or form, or 
function, or ideal conception ; or how much of each sort of symbol we shall employ, is purely a question of technique, not to be 
settled by any stereotyped formula. With all the dangers of 
abuse, the device of physiological symbolism has very considerable advantages at certain points, although it is a stumbling-block to men who lack &quot;the analogical imagination.&quot; The use 
of the device for what it is worth will not be discouraged by 
dogmatism or misrepresentation or ridicule. It has a quite 
incomparable pedagogical value within wise limits, and it is likely 
to be more or less useful, even to investigators, for a long time 
to come. Indeed, there is not a sociologist in the world who can 
write upon any part of sociology today, even if his subject be 
the total depravity of &quot;the biological method,&quot; without framing 
some of his own arguments in tropical use of biological terms.&lt;ref&gt;How it would have scandalized the critics of &quot;biological sociology&quot; if anyone outside of their own number had suggested &quot;social anastomosis&quot; or &quot;social inosculation&quot;: ''Vide'' {{sc|Tarde}}, ''Les transformations du pouvoir'', p. 8.&lt;/ref&gt; 
We cannot think the social complexity to the limit of our ability 
to apprehend it without assistance from the next lower degree of 
complexity that we know. The extent of our use of this aid is 
a mere matter of detail, and must be determined by expediency. 

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these. There remain, then, the two other checks, in which we 
at once recognize Malthus' preventive and positive checks. 

It is plain, on the one hand, that, if every person married 
and had as many children as he could have, the immediate effect 
would be, or tend to be, an enormous surplus of population, 
whose demands for food could not be met by the best means of 
production known to our civilization, and must of necessity be 
kept down by an equally enormous rate of premature death ; 
and, on the other hand, that, by a moderate exercise of the repro- 
ductive power, multiplication could take place at such a rate as 
not to require or to cause the intervention of the positive check 
— premature death. Between these two theoretically conceiv- 
able extremes, both of which are realized in the animal world, 
there may exist all possible gradations ; and, if it is true that we 
are far from the former, we are, perhaps, equally far from the 
latter, as is shown by the great mortality still taking place among 
the lower classes, which are also the more prolific. 

Malthus repeatedly insisted on the obvious truth that the 
poor classes multiply much more rapidly than the rich; and, as 
might be expected, it is among them that disease and mortality 
are greater. As early as 1839 Hippolyte Passy called attention 
to the fact that, from statistical data, it appeared that the number of births per marriage was much larger where, as in the 
maritime and manufacturing towns, the majority of the people 
belonged to the working classes. He also found that in Paris 
the number of births per marriage averaged 1.97 among the 
rich, and 2.86, or about one more, among the poor; a difference 
which he ascribed to the greater prudence and foresight prevalent among the wealthy.&lt;ref&gt;See {{sc|Édourad van der Smissen}}, ''La population'' (Paris, 1893), pp. 349-53&lt;/ref&gt; In 1888 it was estimated by Drysdale that 100 women of Montmartre, the democratic part of 
the city, had, on an average, 175 children, while in the Champs 
Elysees, the quarter of the aristocracy, the same number of 
women had only eighty-six children, or only half as many.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|M. G. Mulhall}}, ''Dictionary of Statistics'' (London, 1892), ''s. v.'' &quot;Births,&quot; p. 93. &lt;/ref&gt; The 
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easy; as, in fact, an Englishman can scarcely regard his emigration to North America as a change of country. The United 
Kingdom is one of the nations furnishing the greatest per cent, 
of emigrants, the others being Norway, Sweden, Germany, and 
Italy : between the years 1877 and 1886 it was ascertained that, 
on an average, 32.7 per cent, of the natural increase of the British population left their country, mainly for the United States. The 
proportions for Italy and Germany were 22 and 20, respectively.&lt;ref&gt;See figures given by G. B. Longstaff, ''Studies in Statistics'' (London 1891), chap. V, p. 49; also, Geoffrey Drage, &quot;Alien Immigration,&quot; in ''Journal of the Royal Society of Statistics'' (London, 1895), Vol. LVIII, p. 7; and {{Sc|Mulhll.}}, '' s. v.'' &quot;Emigration.&quot; It appears that of late years the emigration from England has decreased, probably, among other reasons, on account of the business depression in this country. It is also to be noticed that between 1881 and 1888, when the population increased fastest, the wave of emigration reached a very high mark (170,000 emigrants — from England alone—in 1888; the annual average between 1853 and 1889 having been 
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remains that overmultiplication takes place especially among the 
poor; and, as mortality is ordinarily greatest among children, it 
must be, and is, greater in the lower than in the higher classes of all 
communities. The cause of this excess is twofold : in the first place, 
there being many children among the poor, disease will be more 
common; and this is one reason for their greater absolute mortality; in the second place, the poor having at their command 
very few means to either prevent or combat disease, their hygienic 
conditions and their habits being very favorable to sickness of 
all kinds and to the spread of epidemics, disease is necessarily 
more fatal among them; and this accounts for their greater relative mortality. To what extent the unavoidable neglect of children influences mortality among the poor can be approximately 
judged from estimates made by Professor Conrad. According 
to him, of every 1,000 persons who die in the working classes 
479, or about 50 per cent., die during the first five years of life ; 
while among the higher classes the proportion is only 241 per 
1,000, or about half as many.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Mulhall}}, ''Op. cit., s. v.'' &quot;Deaths,&quot; p. 177. Still-born children, or those that are born dead, are here included. Among the rich they number 28 per 1,000 dead; 
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of nourishment or by some other means.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Levasseur}},'' La population française'', t. II, pp. 168-71, 184, where several tables are given. Bertillon's opinion, which M. Levasseur properly qualifies, seems too absolute. Among other causes, shame and poverty must be counted as greatly influencing the mortality of illegitimates, which in all countries by far exceeds that of legitimate children. In Switzerland, out of every 1,000 legitimate children, 77 die under thirty days of age, and 180 under twelve months; for illegitimates the corresponding numbers are 136 and 280. In Saxony, during the six years ending in 1870, the average annual death-rates were 256 and 353 per 1,000 born, for legitimates and illegitimates, respectively; in the city of Dresden the figures were 250 and 705—70 per 
cent, of the illegitimates died. ({{Sc|Mulhall}}, ''s. v.'' &quot;Deaths,&quot; pp. 186, 187.) &lt;/ref&gt; He also quotes the 
opinion of several physicians to the effect that abortion is of 
very frequent occurrence among married women, but is not him- 
self inclined to accept their testimony, adding that the problem 
is &quot;a mystery&quot; of difficult solution. In this, however, we may 
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may be assumed not to have ^one beyond the French in this line 
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&quot;a mystery&quot; in this country? But the circumstance to which 
I especially wish to call attention is the view the public take of 
the matter. M. Levasseur himself, referring to the trial of a 
man whose professional occupation was to bring about miscarriages, remarks, as a &quot;characteristic feature of [French] 
sentiment&quot; (''trait de mœurs caractéristique) , that neither the 
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through the leniency, and even the connivance, of juries.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''La population'', p. 400.&lt;/ref&gt; 

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of nourishment or by some other means.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Levasseur}},'' La population française'', t. II, pp. 168-71, 184, where several tables are given. Bertillon's opinion, which M. Levasseur properly qualifies, seems too absolute. Among other causes, shame and poverty must be counted as greatly influencing the mortality of illegitimates, which in all countries by far exceeds that of legitimate children. In Switzerland, out of every 1,000 legitimate children, 77 die under thirty days of age, and 180 under twelve months; for illegitimates the corresponding numbers are 136 and 280. In Saxony, during the six years ending in 1870, the average annual death-rates were 256 and 353 per 1,000 born, for legitimates and illegitimates, respectively; in the city of Dresden the figures were 250 and 705—70 per 
cent, of the illegitimates died. ({{Sc|Mulhall}}, ''s. v.'' &quot;Deaths,&quot; pp. 186, 187.) &lt;/ref&gt; He also quotes the 
opinion of several physicians to the effect that abortion is of 
very frequent occurrence among married women, but is not him- 
self inclined to accept their testimony, adding that the problem 
is &quot;a mystery&quot; of difficult solution. In this, however, we may 
feel certain that he is carrying his (may I say ''affected?'') incredulity and his &quot;agnosticism&quot; a little too far. The American people 
may be assumed not to have ^one beyond the French in this line 
of &quot;improvement;&quot; and who would speak of abortion as being 
&quot;a mystery&quot; in this country? But the circumstance to which 
I especially wish to call attention is the view the public take of 
the matter. M. Levasseur himself, referring to the trial of a 
man whose professional occupation was to bring about miscarriages, remarks, as a &quot;characteristic feature of [French] 
sentiment&quot; (''trait de mœurs caractéristique) , that neither the 
accused, who were nineteen in number, nor many of the spectators seemed to attach any seriousness to the act.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Levasseur}}, ''op. cit.'', t. II, p. 58. &lt;/ref&gt; And not 
only the spectators, but the judges themselves, seem to join in 
the general indifference (or the general approbation), if it be 
true that, as M. van der Smissen tells us, &quot;the history of crime 
shows how the number of abortions and infanticides increases 
through the leniency, and even the connivance, of juries.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''La population'', p. 400.&lt;/ref&gt; 

It is, however, difficult to determine with all exactness the 
extent to which the French unprolificness is entirely voluntary. 
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of nourishment or by some other means.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Levasseur}},'' La population française'', t. II, pp. 168-71, 184, where several tables are given. Bertillon's opinion, which M. Levasseur properly qualifies, seems too absolute. Among other causes, shame and poverty must be counted as greatly influencing the mortality of illegitimates, which in all countries by far exceeds that of legitimate children. In Switzerland, out of every 1,000 legitimate children, 77 die under thirty days of age, and 180 under twelve months; for illegitimates the corresponding numbers are 136 and 280. In Saxony, during the six years ending in 1870, the average annual death-rates were 256 and 353 per 1,000 born, for legitimates and illegitimates, respectively; in the city of Dresden the figures were 250 and 705—70 per 
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opinion of several physicians to the effect that abortion is of 
very frequent occurrence among married women, but is not him- 
self inclined to accept their testimony, adding that the problem 
is &quot;a mystery&quot; of difficult solution. In this, however, we may 
feel certain that he is carrying his (may I say ''affected?'') incredulity and his &quot;agnosticism&quot; a little too far. The American people 
may be assumed not to have ^one beyond the French in this line 
of &quot;improvement;&quot; and who would speak of abortion as being 
&quot;a mystery&quot; in this country? But the circumstance to which 
I especially wish to call attention is the view the public take of 
the matter. M. Levasseur himself, referring to the trial of a 
man whose professional occupation was to bring about miscarriages, remarks, as a &quot;characteristic feature of [French] 
sentiment&quot; (''trait de mœurs caractéristique'') , that neither the 
accused, who were nineteen in number, nor many of the spectators seemed to attach any seriousness to the act.&lt;ref&gt;{{Sc|Levasseur}}, ''op. cit.'', t. II, p. 58. &lt;/ref&gt; And not 
only the spectators, but the judges themselves, seem to join in 
the general indifference (or the general approbation), if it be 
true that, as M. van der Smissen tells us, &quot;the history of crime 
shows how the number of abortions and infanticides increases 
through the leniency, and even the connivance, of juries.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''La population'', p. 400.&lt;/ref&gt; 

It is, however, difficult to determine with all exactness the 
extent to which the French unprolificness is entirely voluntary. 
It is not improbable that the psycho-economic check may react 
upon the organism and accelerate the physiologic or biologic 
check. A continued aversion to, and dread of, reproduction, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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belief in a morally perfect invisible ruler originated the belief in 
order and authority. These found expression in the customs 
and ceremonial laws of primitive man, and in the political authority which always claimed divine sanction. From this sprang the 
first conception of the moral right of property, as distinguished 
from the legal right. The latter did not appear until the reflective 
stage of society and the emergence of the state. The former was 
its precursor, and could not have gained respect in the minds of 
men without religious sanction and support. Felix holds, indeed, 
that the very concept of private property was religious in origin.&lt;ref&gt;{{sc|Felix}}, ''Der Einfluis der Religion auf die Entviicklung des Eigenthums'' (Leipzig, J889), p. 7. &lt;/ref&gt;
At the death of a proprietor his belongings were sacrificed that 
they might accompany him beyond. To the gens and its patriarch, as the administrator of the ancestor, the property which was 
not sacrificed was held in usufruct, and not of private right. To 
the deities primitive man yielded in sacrifices a large part of his 
belongings, without material or physical coercion. The discovery 
and punishment of thieves belonged to the deities as the protectors of property. In this way the religious sanctions, which are 
purely persuasive in character, were diffused throughout the 
entire life of man and served to vivify each new institution as it 
began to emerge in the form of private property. In ethical 
religions, especially Christianity, for ceremonial observances is 
substituted the law of love in the heart toward God and man. 
The belief in perfection is turned from outward imitation to inward 
reflection, and remains as before a psychic principle evoked, not 
by coercion, but by persuasion. 

The consciousness of guilt is the counterpart of the belief in 
moral perfection. Lippert has shown&lt;ref&gt;'' Allg. Gcsch. des Priesterthums'' (Berlin. 1884).&lt;/ref&gt; that it is upon the foundation of sacrifice that priesthood is erected. The priest is not 
teacher nor preacher. He rather is often arrayed against these. 
His duty is that of administering and giving efficacy to sacrifices. 
The need of sacrifice follows from the consciousness of guilt, 
which everywhere holds sway in the human breast. The evils, 
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interests of different persons who are equally entitled to the 
possession of interests. Equality is a conception corresponding 
to each one's right to be himself. Justice is a conception corresponding to each one's duty to be no more than himself. 
Equality is a concept of individualization; justice is a concept 
of coordination. 

In this light the formula of justice, or of &quot;equal freedom,&quot; 
which Spencer so egregiously overworked, is available, namely : 
&quot;Every man is free to do that which he wills, provided he 
infringes not the equal freedom of any other man.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''Ethics'', Vol. II, p. 46.&lt;/ref&gt; Taken 
together with our formula of equality, this formula of freedom 
or justice would not require the author's subsequent explanation 
that it does not permit policies of perpetual aggressiveness on 
the rights of others, provided the others are free to resent in 
kind. A part of individuality is initiative, self-choice of the direction which the activities of self shall take. Aggression violates 
equality, whether it violates justice or not, because it takes 
away from the man who wants to be peaceable the privilege of 
choosing to be peaceable, and compels him to repel aggression. 
Even if he proves better able than the aggressor to maintain 
himself, he has meanwhile been deprived of the use of his right 
of choice by the aggression. That is, the condition of equality 
has been disturbed. We might add, therefore, to Spencer's formula of justice, &quot; Provided also that he infringes not the equality 
of any other man.&quot; 

Whatever be the content which our theories put into the 
term &quot;justice,&quot; some vague valuation of the term is a too common 
element of all social theory to need vindication in this connection. However questionable any other term in our schedule of 
incidents may be, a dispute about the term &quot;justice &quot; as a necessary 
condition of stable social order could at this late date scarcely 
be provoked. All social order has presumed that justice is 
behind and beneath the laws defending and the sanctions sustaining the order. All questions of social institutions have been&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tyrants, kings, monks, aristocrats not of the people. Is this 
the case in any real sense ? Whose, let us ask ourselves, was 
the creative thought that worked out the wonderful design and 
each marvelous feature of temple and cathedral, mausoleum and 
monument, statue, arch, and aqueduct ? Whose money con- 
tributed largely to the making of these ? And whose was the 
greatest pleasure and pride in them ? William Morris suggests 
whose this art in reality was when he says : &quot; History (so-called) 
has remembered the kings and warriors because they destroyed ; 
art has remembered the people because they created.&quot; And Miss 
'Starr shows how art has grown : &quot; If art has reached higher than 
the common life, it has done so only by rising through it, never 
by springing up outside and apart from it.&quot; The classic story 
of the making of the statue of Pallas Athene how, when the 
people were asked whether it should be of bronze and silver or 
ivory and gold, they cried with one voice, &quot; Ivory and gold&quot; 
shows whose was the art in Athens ; and what was so striking a 
feature of the life there was true to a great degree in many less 
democratic times and places. 

Do we need to have stated in specific terms what such art is 
good for ? What to those who produce it, and what to all who 
have shared its beauty ? Can it be summed up in words what to 
the peoples of the past has been the embodying and the embodi- 
ment, in forms of beauty, of some of their highest hopes, joys, 
and aspirations ? That the expression and the interpretation of 
such expression of the inner life shown through these art-forms 
constituted much of the real living of these people, who can 
doubt ? Then what has all of this been to the rest of the world ? 
The mind cannot form a picture of the earth without the beauty, 
aside from the utility, of these creations of man. The charm of 
foreign travel, and the general satisfaction and enjoyment of 
life can we think how different these would be without such 
beauty and our varied inheritances from it ? Then, besides the 
delight, how much of what is of value in our knowledge of a 
people is found in the manifestations of their real life and 
their ideal conceptions through sculpture, architecture, painting, 
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position immediately after Hindmayi' s fiasco.''&quot; 

Of Hindman's failure I know nothing save what is to be found in 
the official reports. Hindman, although commanding one of the di- 
visions in General Polk's corps, having been assigned to it just before 
the campaign, was, with his division, on September 9th, detached 
from Polk's corps in order that he might make the movement into 
McLemore's Cove, under the direct supervision of army headquar- 
ters, it being understood that General Bragg was then quite partial 
to him. 

The order detaching him was this : 

Headquarters Army of Tennessee, 
Gordon's Mills, Sept. gth, i86j. 

General: Orders have been given to Major- General Hindman 
detaching him from your corps. He is directed to move at once. 

Respectfully, your obedient servant, 

Kinlock Falconer, A. A. G. 
Lieutenant- General Polk. 

This placed him outside General Polk's jurisdiction for that move- 
ment; consequently I do not now ask for any discussion of the McLe- 
more's Cove affair. What I wish to bring out is the history of what 
General Martin — and General Bragg before him — calls General Polk's 
failure to attack Crittenden immediately after Hindman's fiasco. 

I fully understand that General Martin has but one object in view, viz., 
the defence of a man that he believes has been misrepresented. He be- 
lieves that General Polk, and not General Bragg, was responsible for 
the failure to crush Crittenden ; else he would not say that there are 
many living officers and men who know how little blame should at- 
tach to General Bragg for the failure in that emergency. 

It is in the same spirit that I now seek the fullest information. If 
General Polk was to blame, neither he nor any friend of his would 
wish the responsibility to rest upon another ; and in like manner I 
am sure General Bragg's memory will be best served by resting upon 
him such responsibilities as a candid enquiry may show to belong to 
him. 

In order to aid in the solution of the question, I shall tell the story 
from my point of view. 

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Of Hindman's failure I know nothing save what is to be found in 
the official reports. Hindman, although commanding one of the di- 
visions in General Polk's corps, having been assigned to it just before 
the campaign, was, with his division, on September 9th, detached 
from Polk's corps in order that he might make the movement into 
McLemore's Cove, under the direct supervision of army headquar- 
ters, it being understood that General Bragg was then quite partial 
to him. 

The order detaching him was this : 

Headquarters Army of Tennessee, 
Gordon's Mills, Sept. gth, i86j. 

General: Orders have been given to Major- General Hindman 
detaching him from your corps. He is directed to move at once. 

Respectfully, your obedient servant, 

Kinlock Falconer, A. A. G. 
Lieutenant- General Polk. 

This placed him outside General Polk's jurisdiction for that move- 
ment; consequently I do not now ask for any discussion of the McLe- 
more's Cove affair. What I wish to bring out is the history of what 
General Martin — and General Bragg before him — calls General Polk's 
failure to attack Crittenden immediately after Hindman's fiasco. 

I fully understand that General Martin has but one object in view, viz., 
the defence of a man that he believes has been misrepresented. He be- 
lieves that General Polk, and not General Bragg, was responsible for 
the failure to crush Crittenden ; else he would not say that there are 
many living officers and men who know how little blame should at- 
tach to General Bragg for the failure in that emergency. 

It is in the same spirit that I now seek the fullest information. If 
General Polk was to blame, neither he nor any friend of his would 
wish the responsibility to rest upon another ; and in like manner I 
am sure General Bragg's memory will be best served by resting upon 
him such responsibilities as a candid enquiry may show to belong to 
him. 

In order to aid in the solution of the question, I shall tell the story 
from my point of view. 

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Hindman's movement against Thomas in McLemore's Cove had&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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INDKX. 

Brander, Major Thos. A.. 296. 

&quot; Brandon,&quot; James river, 93. 

Branham, Lt., 68. 

Brannan, Gen., 342. 

Branson, l.t. H. L., 59. 

Bratton, Gen. John, 15, 16: Report of his bri- 
gade, with losses, 18. 

Bratton, Mrs .patriotism of, 8. 

Bratton, Col. Wm., 7, 8, 16 

Breazeal, Capt. W. W., 385, 386. 

Breckinridge, Fort. 64. 

Breckinridge, Gen. John C., 48, 58, 60, 62, 64, 66, 
273. 300. 310. 

Brent, Col. Geo. Win., 270. 

Brevard, 6. 

Brice, Capt. I. M., 15. 

Brick Church, 66. 

Brinton, Surgeon J. H., 80. 

Brock enbrough, Hon. J. W., 271. 

Brockinton, Serg't B. P., 126. 

Brooke, Commander J. M., 286. 

Brouner, Baron Rudolph von, 447. 

Broun, Col. W. Leroy, 66, 289. 

Brown, Bailey, 83. 

Brown, Col., 96. 

Brown, Lt. F. B., 169, 171. 

Brown, Gen. John C., 374. 

Brown, Gov. Joseph E., 269, 274. 

Brown, Joseph M., 365. 

Brown, Capt. J. Mike, 15. 

Brown, Lt.-Col., 174. 176. 

Brown, Serg't P. A. H., 91. 

Brown's Trial, John, its impartiality and deco- 
rum vindicated, 357. 

Brown, Lt. Wm., 277. 

Bryan's Loyalists, 10. 

Bryan, Major, 162, 167 

Bryan, Capt. Pliny, 95. 

Buchanan, Admiral F., 273, 286. 

Buchanan, Lt. J. S., 59. 

Buchanan, Adj't W. ~C., 20. 

Buck Head Guards, 15 

Buckner, Gen. S. B., 274,368. 

Buell, Gen., 305, 316, 317. 

Buford, Col. A., 5, n, 17, 32. 

Buist, Capt., 404. 

Bullock's Creek, 13. 

Bullock, Col. W. F., 218. 

Bull Run, 94. 

Bull's Gap, Tenn., Engagement at, 62, 65. 

Burch, Lt. John C., 352. 

Burgess, Capt. Joseph C., 168. 

Burger, Lt. Sam'l J., 143, 192. 

Burgoyne, Gen. John, 9. 

Burke, Lt. Edmund, 92. 

Burks, Lt. James L., 60. 

Burn, O. J., 175. 

Burnside, Gen. A. E., 31. 

Burroughs' Battery, 60, 61. 

Burroughs, Lt. John J., 60. 

Burroughs, Capt. W. H., 60, 62, 64, 65. 

Burrows, F. M., 175. 

Burrows, Serg't M. M., 91. 

Burrows, S. L., 175. 

Butler, Gen. B. F., 190. 

Butler, Major, 76. 

Butler, U. S. Senate- M. C., Address &quot; Southern 
Genius.&quot; 281, 416. 

Butler, Lt. W E , 59. 

Butler, Capt. Y. N., 152, 168. 

Byrne's Battery, 58, 59, 61. 

Byron, Lord, 432. 

Cabell, Col. Geo. C., 223. 

Cabell. Prof.J. L , 58. 

Cairo, 81. 

CaldwelPs History of Gregg's Brigade, cited, 

21, 22. 

Calder, James, 175. 
Calhoun, John C., 254, 282; monument to, 396. 

Callahan, Lt., 174. 

Cainden District, S. C., Heroes of, 1776-1861, 3, 
5, 7 ; Battle of, 10, 12. 

Campbell, 9. 

Campbell, Col. A. W., 314. 

Campbell, James, 396. 

Campbell, Hon. John A. ,318. 

Campbell, Hon. J. A. P., 232, 275. 

Campbell, Gen. Wm., 12. 

Campbell, Lt. W. F., 59. 

Cambridge University, 13. 

Cameron, Simon. 57, 83. 

Camps Cobb. 181 ; Connor, 151; Gadberry, 
152 ; Lee, 47 ; Pettigrew, 152. 

Canby, Gen. E. R. S., 216. 

Cannon made by the C. S. A., 258. 

Canton, Miss.. Decoration of graves at, 232. 

Caps, Percussion, made by C. S. A., 287. 

Carbonari, Christine, 447. 

Carey, Lt. James, 92. 

Carrmgton, Major I. H., 273. 

Carrol, John, 9; Thomas, 9. 

Carroll, Col., 71. 

Carson, Capt. James M., 134, 150, 190. 

Carson, Serg't, 169. 

Carter, Col. Thos. H., 61. 

Carter, Lt. Tuck, 214. 

Cary, Col. John B., 296. 

Caskey, t apt.. 22 

Cas we'll, Col. T. D., Death of. 271. 

Catawba river, 10. 

Cavalry, Two Chieftains of, 451. 

Cavalry, Value of, 448. 

Cavender, Major, 306 

Cawood. Lt. C. H., 92. 

Cecil's Ford, 67. 

Cedar Creek, Battle of, 15, 443 ; Notes on, 391 ; 
Guards, 15. 

Century Magazine, cited, 28. 

Chadwkk, Col. W. D., 299. 

Chaffin's Bluff, 261. 

Chalmers, Gen. J. R., 297. 

Chameleon, steamer, 106. 

Chancellorsville, Battle of, 20, 257. 

Channing, Dr. W. E., 426. 

Chappell, Lt., 405, 409. 

Charleston, S. C., Siege of, 7 ; College, 13 ; Sur- 
vivors' Association of, 395. 

Charlotte, n. 

Chase, Hon. S. P., 323 

Cheat Bridge, 86; Mountain, 89. 

Cheatham, Gen. B. F.. 72, 77, 82, 313, 372 ; Tri- 
bute to, 349. 

Chenowith, Lt., 86. 

Chesney, Col., cited, 4, 258. 

Chesnut, Col. James, 134. 

Chester Blues, 15, 17. 

Chester District, S. C., 7, 9, 14, 16, 18, 22. 

Chew's. Capt. John C., Battery, 14. 

Chichester, Rev. C. E., 416. 

Chickamauga, Battle of, 369 ; losses in, 377, 380 ; 
valor in. 340, 351 ; Memorial Association, 339. 

Chilton, Hon. Sam'l, 360. 

China, Capt. Thos. J., 116, 130, 132,134; killed. 
192. 

Chinn House, 24. 

Chisholm, Capt A. R., 266. 

Chisholm s Mill, 134. 

Christian, Hon. Geo. L., 296. 

Christiansburg. 67. 

Cist, Gen. Henry M., 348. 

Citadel Academy, 159. 

Clagett, Capt. T. H., 91, 97. 

Clark, 104. 

Clark, Gen., 312. 

Clarke, Gen. Geo. Rogers, 433. 

Clarksville, Tenn., Confederate Reunion 31,350. 

Clary's Farm, Engagement at, 194. 

Clay, Hon. C. C., 274. 

Clay, Capt. T. T., 381.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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INDKX. 

1'oore, Major, 66. 

Pond, Col., 303. 

Pope, Gen. John, 31, 97, 257. 

Pope, Capt. V. I., 379 

Porter, Rev. A. Toomer, 142. 

Porter, Gov. James D., 352. 

Porterfield, Col. Geo. A., Narrative of Services, 

i86i-'2, 82, 88. 
Port Royal captured, 122. 
Powell, Serg't J. I,.,&lt;i_'. 
Pratt, Capt , 48, 52. 
Pray. Lt. A. W., 20. 

Prentiss, Gen., 301, 306 : his cavalry, 62, 64. 
Presidents of the U. S. born North and South, 

43', 436. 

Pressley, H. M.. 175. 
Pressley. Col. J. G., 116. 134, 189 
Preston, Gen. John S , 32. 
Preston, Col. J. T. L.. 44. 
Preston. Gen Wm., 274. 
Price, Gen. Sterling. 81. 

Prjeur. D., and Col. E. Waggaman, Duel of, 447. 
Prince. A. H., 396 
Pryor Gen. Roger A., 183 
Purcell, John, 208. 

yuarles, Gen., 107. 
Ouinine, Price of, 149 

yuintard, Bishop C. T., 205 ; his tribute to Gen. 
B. F. Cheatham, 349 

Racer, British steamer, 148. 

Rains. Col. 289. 

Rains, Gen. G J., 428. 

Ramsay, Col., 88. 

Ramsay. Lt., 164 

Ramseur, Gen S. D.,39i 446. 

Randolph, Hon. Geo W , 273. 

Randolph. Capt. M. L ,91. 

Randolph. Peyton, 429. 

Rats as food, 176. 

Ravenel, Surgeon W. C., 155. 

Rawdon, Francis, Marquis of Hastings, 7, 9. 

Rawle on the Constitution, Wm., 331. 

Rawlinson, M. A., 161. 

Rayser. Capt.. 404. 

Read, Capt E. J , 54 55 

Reagan, Hon. John H., 273. 275. 

Rebellion Records, cited, 16, 25. 

Reed, Capt., 145. 

Reed, Dr. 428. 

Reeves, Lt. Wade, .M . 

Religion the inspiration of the soldier, 195, 206. 

Revolution, First victory of the, 433. 

Reynolds, Gen.. 342, 349. 

Rhea, Lt. Matt., 75. 

Rhett. Col., 174. 

Rhodes, Hon. B R , 273. 

Rice, H. W., 104. 

Rice. Rev. W. D . 128. 

Richard, apt , 88 

Richardson. Capt , 379; his battery, 293. 

Kichardson, Gen Richard. 7. 

Richmond College, 47. 

Richmond, Va., Siege of, 454. 

Rich Mountain, 87. 

Riddock, Joseph, 396. 

Ridgeley. Major Randolph, 424. 

Riley, Lt.. 404. 

Ringgold, Battle of, 370. 

Rion, Col. Jas. H., 15, 23, 401 ; Battalion of, 25. 

Ripley Guards, 134. 

Ripley, Gen. R. S , 159, 396. 

Ritchie, Miss Jennie, 93. 

Rives. Hon. W. C., 68, 271. 

Rives. Lt. W. H , 21 

Robertson, Miss Anna, 352. 

Robertson, Gen., 383, 386. 

Robinson, Capt.. 114. 

Rockbridge Battery Roll, 277. 

Rockbridge Rifles, 42. 

Rocky Mount, Battle of, 8, 9, u, 32. 

Rogers, Major 382. 

Roman Hon. A. B., 273. 

Rose, S., 96. 

Rosencranz, Gen., 31, 89, 349, 386. 

Ross. 9 

Ross Lt. James, 168. 

Rosser. Gen. T. L., 215. 

Rost, Hon P. A., 273. 

Rouse, Capt. Milton, his vindication. 35. 

Royall, W. L . 295 

Rucker, Gen. E., 96, 97. 

Rudgeley's, u. 

Ruffin Lt. E. T.,92. 

Ruggles, Gen. Daniel, 301, 308. 

Russell. Col.. 312. 

Russell, Col R. M., 70, 74. 

Rutledge, Gov. John, 7 

St. Francis river. Arkansas, 81. 

St. John. Gen. I. M., 273. 

St. Matthews' Rifles. 132, 134. 

Saltville, Va., 59. 65. 

J-anders, Hon. Geo. N., 274. 

Sargent. Col , 146. 

Saunders, Major D. W., 351. 

Sauve Felicie, 448. 

Savannah. Ga., 4. 

Sawyer's Battery, 59 64, 65, 66. 

Saxe, Marshal, 341. 

Scales. Capt., 114. 

Schley. Lt W. C.. 92. 

Sealof the C. S A., 416; of the Southern His- 
torical Society. 416 ; of England, 49. 

^ecessionville Battle of, 139. 

Secrest, Col. A. J.. 15. 

Seddon Hon J. A. .66. 273. 

Sellers, Capt. Martin A., 132, 134. 143, 159, 163, 
169. 

Semat. Geo., 360. 

Semmes, Gen. P. J., 449. 

Semmes, Admiral Raphael. 273, 439. 

Semmes, Hon. Thos. J., 418. 

Semple. Capt., 61 63, 65, 67. 

Seven Days' Battles, forces engaged in, 256. 

Seven Pines, Battle of, 17, 19, 22. 

Sevier. Gen. John, 12. 

Seward. Wm H., 320, 321. 

Sharp, Lt. M. R., 20. 

Sharpsburg. Battle of, 20, 24, 257 ; notes on, 373. 

Shedd, Capt. John, 15. 

Shelby, Gen. Isaac. 12. 

Shepherdstown, Battle of, 20. 

Sheridan, Gen. Phil. H., 231, 451 ; his famous 
ride 444 ; raid. 452. 

Sherman Gen. W. T., his march, 4, 30; retalia- 
tory order, 31, 32; army 18, 125 

Shewmake, J. T., 187. 

Shiloh. Battle of, refutation of so-called &quot; Lost 
Opportunity on the evening of April 6, 1862,&quot; 
bv Gen T. Jordan 297 ; losses at, 341. 

Shiloh Chapel, or Pittsburg Landing, 97. 

Shirer, W. D., 226. 

Shuler. Lt. F. M., killed, 193. 

Shulz F. C., 395. 

Signal Corps of the C. S. A., 93 ; officers of, 91 ; 
secret cipher of, 101, 163, 171. 

Simkins' Battery, 159. 

Simkins, Col., 159 

Simmons. Col. 26&lt;&gt;. 

Sjmons, Capt T. Y., 145. 

Simonton. Col. C. H., 129, 133, 134, 142, 150, 178, 
398. 

Sims, Col., 391. 

Sims, Dr. J Marion. 13, 428. 

Singletary, 129. 

Skinner, Hon. James H., 296. 

Slaughter, Gen., 97. 

Slave Law, Fugitive, disregarded, 320, 322.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/00pre|Praefationes]] || {{ts|ac}} | || [[/00pre_eng|Prefaces]]
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| {{ts|ar|width:47%}} | [[/01chr|Dᴇ ɴᴀᴛɪᴜɪᴛᴀᴛᴇ ''ᴄʀɪꜱᴛ''ɪ]] || {{ts|ac}} | I || {{ts|width:47%}} | [[/01chr_eng|Of the Nativity of Christ]] (Dec. 25)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/02eug|De Sca̅ Eugenia]] || {{ts|ac}} | II || [[/02eug_eng|Of Saint Eugenia]] (Dec. 25)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/03bas|De Sco̅ Basilio]] || {{ts|ac}} | III || [[/03bas_eng|Of Saint Basil]] (Jan. 1)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/04iul|Dᴇ Sco̅ Iuliano ⁊ basilissa]] || {{ts|ac}} | IV || [[/04iul_eng|Of Saint Julian and Basilissa]] (Jan. 9)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/05seb|Dᴇ Sco̅ Sebastiano]] || {{ts|ac}} | V || [[/05seb_eng|Of Saint Sebastian]] (Jan. 20)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/06mau|Dᴇ Sco̅ Mauro]] || {{ts|ac}} | VI || [[/06mau_eng|Of Saint Maurus]] (Jan. 15)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/07agn|Dᴇ Sca̅ Agnete]] || {{ts|ac}} | VII || [[/07agn_eng|Of Saint Agnes]] (Jan. 21) &lt;small&gt;(with a piece by Terentianus)&lt;/small&gt;
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/08aga|Dᴇ Sca̅ Agatha]] || {{ts|ac}} | VIII || [[/08aga_eng|Of Saint Agatha]] (Feb. 5)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/09luc|Et s̅ lucia]] || {{ts|ac}} | IX || [[/09luc_eng|and Saint Lucy]] (Dec. 13)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/10pet|Dᴇ Cathedra sci̅ petri]] || {{ts|ac}} | X || [[/10pet_eng|Of the chair of Saint Peter]] (Feb. 22)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/11mil|Dᴇ xl. militibus]] || {{ts|ac}} | XI || [[/11mil_eng|Of the Forty Soldiers]] (Mar. 9)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/12wed|Dᴇ capite Ieiunii]] || {{ts|ac}} | XII || [[/12wed_eng|Of the beginning of the Fast]] (Ash Wednesday)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/13moy|Dᴇ Oratione moysi]] || {{ts|ac}} | XIII || [[/13moy_eng|Of the Prayer of Moses]]
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/14geo|Dᴇ Sco̅ Georgio]] || {{ts|ac}} | XIV || [[/14geo_eng|Of Saint George]] (Apr. 23)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/15mar|Dᴇ Sco̅ Marco euangelista]] || {{ts|ac}} | XV || [[/15mar_eng|Of Saint Mark the Evangelist]] (Apr. 25)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/16mem|Dᴇ Memoria scr̅ū]] || {{ts|ac}} | XVI || [[/16mem_eng|Of the memory of the Saints]]
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/17aug|Dᴇ Auguriis]] || {{ts|ac}} | XVII || [[/17aug_eng|Of Auguries]]
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/18reg|De libro regum]] || {{ts|ac}} | XVIII || [[/Of the Book of Kings|Of the Book of Kings]]
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/19alb|De sco̅ Albano]] || {{ts|ac}} | XIX || [[/Of Saint Alban|Of Saint Alban]] (June 22) &lt;small&gt;(with a homily on the story of Achitofel and Absalom)&lt;/small&gt;
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/20aed|Dᴇ Sco̅ æðeldryða]] || {{ts|ac}} | XX || [[/Of Saint Æðeldryða|Of Saint Æðeldryða]] (June 23)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/21swy|Dᴇ Sco̅ sƿyðuno]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXI || [[/Of Saint Swythun|Of Saint Swythun]] (July 2) &lt;small&gt;(with a story about St. Macarius)&lt;/small&gt;
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/22app|Dᴇ Sco̅ Appollonare]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXII || [[/Of Saint Apollinaris|Of Saint Apollinaris]] (July 23)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/23vii|Dᴇ VII.tem Dormientium]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXIII || [[/Of the Seven Sleepers|Of the Seven Sleepers]] (July 27)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/23viib|Dᴇ transitu Mariae Aegyptiace]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXIIIb || [[/Death of St. Mary of Egypt|Death of St. Mary of Egypt]] (April 2)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/24abd|Dᴇ Abdon ⁊ Sennes]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXIV || [[/Of Abdon and Sennes|Of Abdon and Sennes]]
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/25mac|Dᴇ machabeis]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXV || [[/Of the Machabees|Of the Machabees]] (Aug. 1)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/26osw|Dᴇ Sco̅ Osƿoldo]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXVI || [[/Of Saint Oswold|Of Saint Oswold]] (Aug. 5)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/27cru|Dᴇ Sca̅ cruce]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXVII || [[/Of the Holy Cross|Of the Holy Cross]] (Sep. 14)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/28mau|Dᴇ Legione thebeorum]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXVIII || [[/Of the Theban Legion|Of the Theban Legion]] (Sep. 22)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/29dio|Dᴇ Sco̅ Dionisio]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXIX || [[/Of Saint Dionysius|Of Saint Dionysius]] (Denis; Oct. 9)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/30eus|Dᴇ Sco̅ Eustachio]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXX || [[/Of Saint Eustace|Of Saint Eustace]] (Nov. 2)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/31mar|Dᴇ Sco̅ Martino]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXXI || [[/Of Saint Martin|Of Saint Martin]] (Nov. 11)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/32ead|Dᴇ Sco̅ Eadmundo]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXXII || [[/Of Saint Edmund|Of Saint Edmund]] (Nov. 20)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/33eup|Dᴇ Sca̅ eufrosia]] (sic) || {{ts|ac}} | XXXIII || [[/Of Saint Euphrasia|Of Saint Euphrasia]] (Feb. 11)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/35chr|Dᴇ Crisanto et daria]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXXV || [[/Of Crisantus and Daria|Of Crisantus and Daria]] (Dec. 1)
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| {{ts|ar}} | [[/36tho|Dᴇ Sco̅ Tʜoma Ap''osto''lo]] || {{ts|ac}} | XXXVI || [[/Of Saint Thomas the Apostle|Of Saint Thomas the Apostle]] (Dec. 21)
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{{block center/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Aspires, and not creates! yet we aspire,&lt;br/&gt;
And yet I’ll try out your perhapses, sir;&lt;br/&gt;
And if I fail . . why, burn me up my straw&lt;br/&gt;
Like other false works—I’ll not ask for grace,&lt;br/&gt;
Your scorn is better, cousin Romney. I&lt;br/&gt;
Who love my art, would never wish it lower&lt;br/&gt;
To suit my stature. I may love my art.&lt;br/&gt;
You’ll grant that even a woman may love art,&lt;br/&gt;
{{anchor|ClergymansWifep84}}Seeing that to waste true love on anything,&lt;br/&gt;
Is womanly, past question.’&lt;br/&gt;
{{gap|13em}}I retain&lt;br/&gt;
The very last word which I said, that day,&lt;br/&gt;
As you the creaking of the door, years past,&lt;br/&gt;
Which let upon you such disabling news&lt;br/&gt;
You ever after have been graver. He,&lt;br/&gt;
His eyes, the motions in his silent mouth,&lt;br/&gt;
Were fiery points on which my words were caught,&lt;br/&gt;
Transfixed for ever in my memory&lt;br/&gt;
For his sake, not their own. And yet I know&lt;br/&gt;
I did not love him . . nor he me . . that’s sure . .&lt;br/&gt;
And what I said, is unrepented of,&lt;br/&gt;
As truth is always. Yet . . a princely man!—&lt;br/&gt;
If hard to me, heroic for himself!&lt;br/&gt;
He bears down on me through the slanting years,&lt;br/&gt;
The stronger for the distance. If he had loved,&lt;br/&gt;
Ay, loved me, with that retributive face, . .&lt;br/&gt;
I might have been a common woman now,&lt;br/&gt;
And happier, less known and less left alone;&lt;br/&gt;
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[[File:Allegory of Painting.JPG|thumb|right|alt=&quot;Allegory of Painting&quot; by Gerard van Honthors.  Painting of a woman painting a portrait of a man, with the canvas supported by a cherub;all looking at the viewer.|Painting]]

==By country==
===Czechia===
* &quot;[[Bohemia's claim for freedom/Some typical Czech artists|Some typical Czech artists]]&quot; by [[Author:Jindřich Procházka|Jindřich Procházka]] in ''[[Bohemia's claim for freedom]]'', 1915
* &quot;[[Fine Arts in Bohemia]]&quot; by [[Author:Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan|Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan]] in ''[[The Czechoslovak Review|The Bohemian Review]]'', '''[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 1|1]]''' (9, 10, 11–12) and '''[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 2|2]]''' (2, 4, 7)
* {{CR link|Josef Mánes|3|2|Vojta Beneš}}
* {{CR link|Joža Úprka|3|4|Jozef Žák-Marušiak}}
* {{CR link|Mikuláš Aleš|3|5|Vojta Beneš}}
* [[Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha]], by [[Author:Christian Brinton|Christian Brinton]] and [[Author:Šárka B. Hrbková|Šárka B. Hrbková]] (1921)
* &quot;[[Modern and contemporary Czech art/Painting|Painting]]&quot; in ''[[Modern and contemporary Czech art]]'', by [[Author:Antonín Matějček|Antonín Matějček]] (1924)
* {{SL link|Czech Mural Paintings Show Real Art|18|2|Jackson Edmund Towne|year=1927|month=12}}
* {{SL link|The Early Artists of Bohemia|18|3|Zdeněk Fierlinger|year=1928|month=1}}
* [[An introduction to the work of Alfons Mucha and Art Nouveau]], by [[Author:Ian Courtenay Johnston|Ian Courtenay Johnston]] (2014)

===France===
* &quot;[[Century Magazine/Volume 47/Issue 6/Jean Francois Millet's Life at Barbizon|Jean Francois Millet's Life at Barbizon]],&quot; by [[Author:Pierre Millet|Pierre Millet]] in ''[[Century Magazine]]'', April 1894
* &quot;[[Millet (Rolland)|Millet]]&quot; by [[Author:Romain Rolland|Romain Rolland]], 1902

===The Netherlands===
* [[Art in the Netherlands]], 1868 by [[Author:Hippolyte Taine|Hippolyte Taine]], translated by [[Author:John Durand|J. Durand]]
* &quot;[[Century Magazine/Volume 56/Issue 3/Modern Dutch Painters|Modern Dutch Painters]],&quot; by [[Author:Elizabeth W. Champney|Elizabeth W. Champney]] in ''[[Century Magazine]]'', July 1888
* &quot;[[Century Magazine/Volume 37/Issue 5/Dutch Painters at Home|Dutch Painters at Home]],&quot; by [[Author:Emma Eames Chase|Emma Eames Chase]] in ''[[Century Magazine]]'', March 1889
*[[Dutch Art in the Nineteenth Century]], 1903 by [[Author:Gerharda Hermina Marius|Gerharda Hermina Marius]], translated by [[Author:Alexander Teixeira de Mattos|Alexander Teixeira de Mattos]]

===United Kingdom===
*The [[Life of William Blake (1880), Volume 2/Prose writings/Descriptive Catalogue|Descriptive Catalogue]] from [[Life of William Blake (1880), Volume 2]] - &quot;A descriptive catalogue of pictures, poetical and historical inventions, painted by William Blake in water-colours.&quot;
* &quot;[[Century Magazine/Volume 57/Issue 4/Cole's Old English Masters. John Opie|Cole's Old English Masters: John Opie]],&quot; by [[Author:John Charles Van Dyke|John C. Van Dyke]] in ''[[Century Magazine]]'', February 1899
* [[Constable by C. J. Holmes|Constable]] by [[Author:Charles John Holmes|Charles John Holmes]] (1901)
* '''[[Portal:David Cox]]'''

==By subject==
===Human figure===
* [[Men I Have Painted]], 1921 by [[Author:John McLure Hamilton|John McLure Hamilton]]

===Illuminating manuscripts===
* [[History, Theory, and Practice of Illuminating]], 1861 by [[Author:Matthew Digby Wyatt|Matthew Digby Wyatt]]

===Painted glass===
* {{Archj link|Painted Glass|author=[[Author:Charles Winston|Charles Winston]]|volume=1|year=1845|p=14|pp=23}}

==General==
* {{EB1911 link|Painting}}

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 | [[A Dictionary of the Biloxi and Ofo Languages/Introduction|Introduction]], by John R. Swanton
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 | translated = Apostles' Creed
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 | notes = Sometimes titled '''Symbol of the Apostles''': an early statement of Christian belief, a creed or &quot;symbol.&quot; It is widely used by a number of Christian denominations for both liturgical and catechetical purposes. 

A Christian tradition holds that the creed was written by the [[Portal:Twelve Apostles|twelve Apostles]], with each apostle contributing one of the twelve articles of the creed. However, the creed appears to have originated in what is now France and Spain, and was spread to the rest of Christendom by [[Author:Charlemagne|Charlemagne]]. The earliest known appearance of the creed is in the ''[[De singulis libris canonicis scarapsus]]'' (&quot;''Excerpt from Individual Canonical Books''&quot;) of St. [[Author:Pirmin|Pirminius]], written between 710 and 714. Some scholars have argued that it may have existed in its current form as early as the second half of the 5th century.
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[[File:First Four Articles of the Creed tapestry.jpg|15th-century Flemish tapestry illustrating the first four articles of the Apostles' Creed|thumb|400px|right]]
* &quot;[[Book of Common Prayer (1892)/Apostles' Creed|Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in the [[Book of Common Prayer (1892)|Book of Common Prayer]] (1892).
* &quot;[[The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ/Chapter 24|The Apostles' Creed]]&quot;, annotated, in ''[[The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ]]'' (1863)
* &quot;[[The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ/Chapter 25|The Ancient and Modern Apostles Creed Contrasted]]&quot;, two versions dating to 600 and 1820 respectively, in ''[[The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ]]'' (1863)
* &quot;[[The Little Book of the Most Holy Child Jesus/Credo|Credo]]&quot; in ''[[The Little Book of the Most Holy Child Jesus]]'' by [[Author:John Priestly Warmoll|John Priestly Warmoll]] (1876)
*&quot;[[Creeds of Christendom/Apostles' Creed|Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in ''[[Creeds of Christendom]]'' by [[Author:Philip Schaff|Philip Schaff]] (1877)
* &quot;[[A Manual of Prayers for the Use of the Catholic Laity/Christian Faith and Practice#creed|The Creed]]&quot; in ''[[A Manual of Prayers for the Use of the Catholic Laity]]'' (1889)
* &quot;[[The Church Hymnary/The Apostles' Creed|The Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in ''[[The Church Hymnary]]'' (1893)
* &quot;[[Concordia Triglotta/The Three Creeds#The Apostles' Creed|The Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in ''[[Concordia Triglotta]]'' (1921)
* &quot;[[The Rosary (Forrest)/Chapter VII#creed|The Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in ''[[The Rosary (Forrest)|The Rosary: Its History and How to Say It]]'' by [[Author:Michael Davitt Forrest|Michael Davitt Forrest]] (1926)
* &quot;[[How to Say the Rosary#creed|The Apostles' Creed]]&quot; in &quot;[[How to Say the Rosary]]&quot; (1937)
*Apostles' Creed in [[Portal:The Episcopal Church|The Episcopal Church's]] [[Book of Common Prayer (ECUSA)|Book of Common Prayer]] (2007)
** [[Apostles' Creed (TEC BCP I)|Translation from Morning Prayer I]]
** [[Apostles' Creed (TEC BCP II)|Translation from Morning Prayer II]]

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      <text bytes="17893" sha1="elqljl2j7hdryafb2nmkyj5zwqpywxa" xml:space="preserve">=====Formatting=====
Use {{tl|font-size}} with parameter 110% for section headings.

Format the first word of each section as &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{x-larger|T}}{{sc|here}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to get {{x-larger|T}}{{sc|here}}.

Use {{tl|small-caps}} or {{tl|sc}} for the author name at the end of each section, and link it to the author's page.

Give em dashes as — or &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:--}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.

Give dates at the end of sections using {{tl|smaller}} and italics. However, numbers in dates are not to be italicised, as in [[Page:The_Book_of_the_Homeless_(New_York,_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons,_1916).djvu/98|this page]].

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==== Test ====


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compilafions of isw which make up the Corpus
Jwris (Jim .r is name is often met in a conncction in sting that the entire Corpus .Iuris
Ciiiiis is intended, or, sometimes, the Dine:
hut its use should he confined to the Code .

e penal. Tl.ie penal or rriminiil code of
France, enacted in 1Si0.—Codiflc:ition. The
process of colit-cting and arranging the laws of
o. country or state into a code, 5, a. into I1 complete system of positive law, scientiiically ordered, and promulgated by legisiatlve authority.

{{anchor+|.|'''CODEX.'''}} Lat A code or collection of
laws; pzirticularly the Code of Justinian.
Also a roll or volume, and in book written on
paper or parchment.

—Cod.ex Gregofinnul. A collection of imperinl constitutions made by Gregorins, a Im-
msn jurist of the fifth century, nbont the
middle of the century. It contained the constitutions from Ilndrinn down to Constantine Mac-
keld. Rom. Lnvi, 5 63.—Codex Hex-mogenh
nnul. A colicction of imperial constitutions
made by Hermogenes, a jurist of the fifth cen-
It was nothinz more than a supplement
to the Codex Gregorinnus. (suprs,) conin' '
the constitutions of Diocletian and Max .
Mackeld. Rom. Lnvr, § 63.—Codex Justinianeus. A coiiection of imperial cunstitiitions,
made by a commission of ten pereons appointed
by Justinian, A. D. 52S.—Codex x-epetitaa
prazlectionis. The new code of Justinian;
or the new edition of the first or old code.
promulgated A. D. 534. bein the one now extant. Mackeld. Item. I/uvr, i Tayi. Civil
Law. ?Z.—Codex Theodosianus. Acode compiled by the emperor Theodosiiis the younger,

. . 43$ being a metliodirnl coiiection. in
sixteen books, of all the imperial constitiiti ns
then in force. It was the only body of civil
law pnhiiciv received as authentic in the western part of Europe tiii the twelfth century, the
use and authority of the Code of Justinian heing during that interviil confined to the East.
1 Bl. Comm. .—Codex vetus. T1.ie old Code.
The first edition of the Code of Justinian; now
lost. Mackeid. Rom. Law, 570.

CODICIL. A testamentary disposition
subsequent to s will, and by which the wili
is altered, explained, added to, subtracted
from, or confirmed by Way of republication,
but in no case totniiy revoked. Lamh v.
Lamb. 11 Pick. (Mnss.) 376; Diinham v.
Averill, -15 Conn. 79, 29 Am. Rep. 642: Green
v. Lane, 45 N. C. 113; Griillbfiii v. Pnttou. 70
Aln. 631; Proctor v. Clarke, 3 Redf. Sur. (N.
Y.) 443.

A codicil is an addition or supplement to
a will, either to add to, take from, or alter
the provisions of the will. It must be executed with the same formality as s will, and,
when admitted to probate, forms a part of the will. Tlode GB. 1882, § 2404.

CODICILLUS. In the Roman law. A
codicil; an Lnformni and inferior kind of will,
in use among the Romans.

'''COEMPTIO.''' Mutual purchase. One of the modes in which marriage was contracted
among the Romzins. The man and the Woman
delivered to ench other a small piece of money. Thc mun asked the woman whether she
would liecome to him a hint-erfamiliaa, (mistress of his fainiiy.) to which she replied that
she would. In her turn she asked the man

212

COG NATIO

whether he would become to her a paternmmas, (master of a family.) On his replying in the affirmative, she delivered her piece of money and herself into his hands, and so
became his wife. Adams, Rom. Ant 501

C0-EMPTION. The act of purchasing
the whole quantity of any commodity. Wharton.

'''COERCION'''. Compulsion; force; duress It may be either actual, (direct or positive.) where physical force is put upon a man to compel him to do an act against his will, or implied, (legal or constructive) where the relation of the parties is such that one is under subjection to the other, and is thereby constrained to do what his free will would refuse. State v. Dariington, 153 Ind. 1. 53 N. E. 925; Chappell v. Trent. 90 Va. 849, 19 S. E. 314; Radich v. Hutchins, 95 U. S. 213, 24 L Ed. 409; Peyser v. New York, 70 N. Y 497, 26 Am. Rep. 624; State v. Boyle, 13 R. I. 538.

C0-EXECUTOR. One Who is a joint
executor with one or more others.
COFFEE-HOUSE. A house of enteruiin-

ment where guests are supplied with coffee and other refreshments, and sometimes-
with lodging. Century Dict. A coflee-house
is not an inn. Thompson v. Lucy. 3 Burn.
&amp; Aid. 283; Pitt v. Lamiiig, 4 Camp. 77; In-
Sll1&quot;&lt;lllCB Co. v. Langdon, 6 Wend. (N-. Y.) 6'27;
Com. v. Woods. -1 Ky. Law Rep. 262.

COPFERER OF THE QUEEN'S
HOUSI-ll-IOLD. In Engilsh law. A pricnipzii oiiicer of the royal establishment, next
under the eontroiier. Who, in the counting—
house and elsewhere, had a special Cl'iflI‘§l'
and oversight of the other ofllcers, wbose
wages he paid.

Cogitntionis pcenaxn nemo patitur. Nu

one is pu_nislied for his thoughts. Dig. 48.
19, 1S.
COGNATES. (Lat oagnati.) Relations

by the mother’s side, or by females. lilac-
keid. Rom. Law, 5 144. A common term in
Scotch law. Erslc. inst. 1, 7, 4.

COGNATI. Lat. In the civil law. Cognates; relations ivy the mother's side. 2 Bl.
Comm 235. Relations in the line of the
mother. Hale, Com. Low, c. xi. Relations
by or through females.

'''COGNATIO.''' Lat. In the civil law.
Cngnation. Relationship, or kindred gener-

ally. Dig. 38, 10, 4, 2; Inst. 3. 6, pr.

Iieiatioiiship through femaies, as distin-
guished from apmitin, or relationship
through males. Agnatio a palm .-at, enq-
notio a nuzfre. Inst 3, 5, 4. See Aommo.

In canon law. Consnnguinity, as distin-
guished from affinity. -1 Reeve, Eng. Liw,
56-58.

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compilafions of isw which make up the Corpus
Jwris (Jim .r is name is often met in a conncction in sting that the entire Corpus .Iuris
Ciiiiis is intended, or, sometimes, the Dine:
hut its use should he confined to the Code .

e penal. Tl.ie penal or rriminiil code of
France, enacted in 1Si0.—Codiflc:ition. The
process of colit-cting and arranging the laws of
o. country or state into a code, 5, a. into I1 complete system of positive law, scientiiically ordered, and promulgated by legisiatlve authority.

{{anchor+|.|'''CODEX.'''}} Lat A code or collection of
laws; pzirticularly the Code of Justinian.
Also a roll or volume, and in book written on
paper or parchment.

—Cod.ex Gregofinnul. A collection of imperinl constitutions made by Gregorins, a Im-
msn jurist of the fifth century, nbont the
middle of the century. It contained the constitutions from Ilndrinn down to Constantine Mac-
keld. Rom. Lnvi, 5 63.—Codex Hex-mogenh
nnul. A colicction of imperial constitutions
made by Hermogenes, a jurist of the fifth cen-
It was nothinz more than a supplement
to the Codex Gregorinnus. (suprs,) conin' '
the constitutions of Diocletian and Max .
Mackeld. Rom. Lnvr, § 63.—Codex Justinianeus. A coiiection of imperial cunstitiitions,
made by a commission of ten pereons appointed
by Justinian, A. D. 52S.—Codex x-epetitaa
prazlectionis. The new code of Justinian;
or the new edition of the first or old code.
promulgated A. D. 534. bein the one now extant. Mackeld. Item. I/uvr, i Tayi. Civil
Law. ?Z.—Codex Theodosianus. Acode compiled by the emperor Theodosiiis the younger,

. . 43$ being a metliodirnl coiiection. in
sixteen books, of all the imperial constitiiti ns
then in force. It was the only body of civil
law pnhiiciv received as authentic in the western part of Europe tiii the twelfth century, the
use and authority of the Code of Justinian heing during that interviil confined to the East.
1 Bl. Comm. .—Codex vetus. T1.ie old Code.
The first edition of the Code of Justinian; now
lost. Mackeid. Rom. Law, 570.

CODICIL. A testamentary disposition
subsequent to s will, and by which the wili
is altered, explained, added to, subtracted
from, or confirmed by Way of republication,
but in no case totniiy revoked. Lamh v.
Lamb. 11 Pick. (Mnss.) 376; Diinham v.
Averill, -15 Conn. 79, 29 Am. Rep. 642: Green
v. Lane, 45 N. C. 113; Griillbfiii v. Pnttou. 70
Aln. 631; Proctor v. Clarke, 3 Redf. Sur. (N.
Y.) 443.

A codicil is an addition or supplement to
a will, either to add to, take from, or alter
the provisions of the will. It must be executed with the same formality as s will, and,
when admitted to probate, forms a part of the will. Tlode GB. 1882, § 2404.

CODICILLUS. In the Roman law. A
codicil; an Lnformni and inferior kind of will,
in use among the Romans.

'''COEMPTIO.''' Mutual purchase. One of the modes in which marriage was contracted
among the Romzins. The man and the Woman
delivered to ench other a small piece of money. Thc mun asked the woman whether she
would liecome to him a hint-erfamiliaa, (mistress of his fainiiy.) to which she replied that
she would. In her turn she asked the man

212

COG NATIO

whether he would become to her a paternmmas, (master of a family.) On his replying in the affirmative, she delivered her piece of money and herself into his hands, and so
became his wife. Adams, Rom. Ant 501

C0-EMPTION. The act of purchasing
the whole quantity of any commodity. Wharton.

'''COERCION'''. Compulsion; force; duress It may be either actual, (direct or positive.) where physical force is put upon a man to compel him to do an act against his will, or implied, (legal or constructive) where the relation of the parties is such that one is under subjection to the other, and is thereby constrained to do what his free will would refuse. State v. Darlington, 153 Ind. 1. 53 N. E. 925; Chappell v. Trent. 90 Va. 849, 19 S. E. 314; Radich v. Hutchins, 95 U. S. 213, 24 L Ed. 409; Peyser v. New York, 70 N. Y 497, 26 Am. Rep. 624; State v. Boyle, 13 R. I. 538.

C0-EXECUTOR. One Who is a joint
executor with one or more others.
COFFEE-HOUSE. A house of enteruiin-

ment where guests are supplied with coffee and other refreshments, and sometimes-
with lodging. Century Dict. A coflee-house
is not an inn. Thompson v. Lucy. 3 Burn.
&amp; Aid. 283; Pitt v. Lamiiig, 4 Camp. 77; In-
Sll1&quot;&lt;lllCB Co. v. Langdon, 6 Wend. (N-. Y.) 6'27;
Com. v. Woods. -1 Ky. Law Rep. 262.

COPFERER OF THE QUEEN'S
HOUSI-ll-IOLD. In Engilsh law. A pricnipzii oiiicer of the royal establishment, next
under the eontroiier. Who, in the counting—
house and elsewhere, had a special Cl'iflI‘§l'
and oversight of the other ofllcers, wbose
wages he paid.

Cogitntionis pcenaxn nemo patitur. Nu

one is pu_nislied for his thoughts. Dig. 48.
19, 1S.
COGNATES. (Lat oagnati.) Relations

by the mother’s side, or by females. lilac-
keid. Rom. Law, 5 144. A common term in
Scotch law. Erslc. inst. 1, 7, 4.

COGNATI. Lat. In the civil law. Cognates; relations ivy the mother's side. 2 Bl.
Comm 235. Relations in the line of the
mother. Hale, Com. Low, c. xi. Relations
by or through females.

'''COGNATIO.''' Lat. In the civil law.
Cngnation. Relationship, or kindred gener-

ally. Dig. 38, 10, 4, 2; Inst. 3. 6, pr.

Iieiatioiiship through femaies, as distin-
guished from apmitin, or relationship
through males. Agnatio a palm .-at, enq-
notio a nuzfre. Inst 3, 5, 4. See Aommo.

In canon law. Consnnguinity, as distin-
guished from affinity. -1 Reeve, Eng. Liw,
56-58.

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By using the sliding link the cross-section and weight of the
rods may be greatly reduced, the only strain being that of tension.
To deliver a sharp, effective blow, however, the rods must drop
with a quick stroke, which brings a heavy strain upon the
operating machinery.
For overcoming this difficulty, various
“free-falling tools” have been devised. By these the bit is allowed to fall
by gravity; the rod follows on its measured down
stroke, and picks up the bit. Free-falling tools are of
two classes: (1)&amp;nbsp;those by which the bit is released
automatically; (2)&amp;nbsp;those operated by a sudden twist
imparted to the rod by the drillman. One of the best
known of the first class is the Kind free-fall (fig.&amp;nbsp;6).
The shank of the bit is gripped and released by the
jaws J,J, worked through a toggle joint by movements
of the disk D. When the rod begins its downward
stroke, the resistance of the water in the hole
slightly raises D, thus opening the jaws and releasing
the bit, which falls by gravity. On reaching the end
of the stroke the jaws again catch the shank of the
bit and raise it for delivering another blow. The
Fabian free-fall may be noted as an example of the
second class (see Köhler, ''Lehrbuch der Bergbaukunde'',
p.&amp;nbsp;57). Tools are sometimes used for cutting an
annular groove in the bottom of the hole, and raising
to the surface the core so formed, for observing the
character of the rock.

4. ''Rope and Drop Tools.''—This method was long ago
used in China. Because of its extensive application
in the oil-fields it is generally designated in the
United States as the “oil-well system.” In its
various modifications it is often employed also in
general prospecting of mineral deposits and in sinking
artesian, natural gas and salt wells. One of its forms
is known in England as the Mather &amp;amp; Platt system.

The chief point of difference from rod-boring is
the substitution of rope for the jointed rods. For
deep boring it possesses the advantage of saving
the large amount of time consumed in raising and lowering
the rods, as required whenever the hole is to be cleaned out, or
a dull bit replaced, since the tools are rapidly run up or down
by means of the rope with which they are operated while drilling.
The speed of rope-boring is therefore but little affected by increase
of depth, while with rod-boring it falls off rapidly. In its simplest
form the so-called “string of tools,” suspended from the rope, is
composed of the bit or drill, jars and rope-socket. The jars are a pair
of sliding links, similar to those used for rod-boring, but serving a
different purpose, viz. to produce a sharp shock on the upward
stroke, as the jars come together, for loosening the bit should it tend
to stick fast in the hole. A heavy bar (auger stem) is generally
inserted between the jars and bit, for increasing the force of the blow.
The weight of another bar above the jars (sinker-bar) keeps the rope
taut. The length of stroke and feed are regulated
by the “temper-screw” (fig.&amp;nbsp;7), a feed device
resembling that used for rod-boring. Clamped
to it is the drill rope, which is let out at intervals,
as the hole is deepened. The bits usually range
from 3 to 8&amp;nbsp;in. diameter, the speed of boring
being generally between 20 and 40&amp;nbsp;ft. per 24&amp;nbsp;hours,
according to the kind of rock. A great
variety of special “fishing tools” are made, for
use in case of breakage of parts in the hole or other
accident.
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5. ''Diamond Drill.''—The methods described above
are capable of boring holes vertically downward
only. By the diamond drill, holes can be
bored in any direction, from vertically downward
to vertically upward. It has the further advantage
of making an annular hole from which is
obtained a core, furnishing a practically complete
cross-section of the strata penetrated; the thickness
and character of each stratum are shown,
together with its depth below the surface. Thus,
the diamond drill is peculiarly well adapted for
prospecting mineral deposits from which samples
are desired. The first practical application of
diamonds for drilling in rock was made in 1863
by Professor Rudolph Leschot, a civil engineer of
Paris.

The apparatus consists essentially of a line of
hollow rods, coupled by screw joints, an annular
steel bit or crown, set with diamonds, being
attached to the lower end. By means of a small
engine on the surface the rods are rapidly rotated
and fed down automatically as the hole
deepened. The speed of rotation is from 300 to 800 revolutions
per minute, depending on the character of the rock and diameter
of the bit. While boring a stream of water is forced down the
hollow rods by a pump, passing back to the surface through the
annular space between the rods and the walls of the drill hole. The
cuttings are thus carried to the surface, leaving the bottom of the hole
clean and unobstructed. For recovering the core and inspecting the
bit and diamonds, the rods are raised at every 3 to 8&amp;nbsp;ft. of depth. This
is done by a small drum and rope, operated by the driving engine.

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Diamond drills of standard designs (fig.&amp;nbsp;8) bore holes from 1{{EB1911 tfrac|9|16}} to
{{nowrap|2{{EB1911 tfrac|3|4}} in.}} diameter, yielding cores of 1 to {{nowrap|1{{EB1911 tfrac|15|16}} in.}} diameter, and are capable of reaching depths of a few hundred to 4000&amp;nbsp;ft. or more. They require
from 8 to 30 boiler horse-power. Large machines will bore
shallower holes up to 6, 9 or even 12&amp;nbsp;in. diameter. For operating
in underground workings of mines, small and compact machines
are sometimes mounted on columns (fig.&amp;nbsp;9). They bore 1{{EB1911 tfrac|1|4}} to {{nowrap|1{{EB1911 tfrac|9|16}} in.}}
holes to depths of 300 to 400&amp;nbsp;ft., cores being {{EB1911 tfrac|7|8}} to 1&amp;nbsp;in. diameter.
Hand-power drills are also built.
In the South African goldfields
several diamond drill holes from 4500 to 5200&amp;nbsp;ft. deep have been
successfully bored. Rates of advance for core-drilling to moderate
depths range usually from 2 to 3&amp;nbsp;ft. per hour,
including ordinary delays, though in favourable
rock much higher speeds are often attained.
In deep holes the speeds diminish, because of
time consumed in raising and lowering the rods.
If no core is desired a “solid bit” is used.
The drilling then proceeds faster, as it is only
necessary to raise the rods occasionally, for
examining the condition of the bit.

The driving engine has two inclined cylinders,
coupled to a crank-shaft, by which,
through gearing, the drill-rod is rotated. The
rods are wrought iron or steel tubes, in 5 to 10&amp;nbsp;ft. lengths. For producing
the feed two devices are employed, the differential screw and
hydraulic cylinder. For the ''differential feed'' (fig.&amp;nbsp;9) the engine has a
hollow left-hand threaded screw-shaft, to which the rods are coupled.
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by a threaded feed-nut, carried in the lower bearing. Geared to the
screw-shaft is a light counter-shaft. By properly
proportioning the number of teeth in the
system of gear-wheels, the feed-nut is caused
to revolve a little faster than the screw-shaft,
so that the drill-rod is fed downward a small
fraction of an inch for each revolution. To
vary the rate of feed, as suitable for different
rocks, three pairs of gears with different ratios
of teeth are provided. The screw-shaft and
gearing are carried by a swivel-head, which
can be rotated in a vertical plane, for boring
holes at an angle.

The ''hydraulic feed'' is an improvement on
the above, in that the rate of feed is independent
of the rotative speed of the rods and
can be adjusted with the utmost nicety. There
are either one or two feed cylinders, supplied
with water from the pump. The rod, while
rotating freely, is supported by the feed
cylinder piston and caused to move slowly
downward by allowing the water to pass
from the lower to the upper part of the
cylinder. A valve regulates the passage of
the water and hence the rate of feed.

The bit (fig. 10 and fig. 11, B) is of soft
steel, set with six to eight or more diamonds
according to its diameter. The diamonds,
usually from 1{{EB1911 tfrac|1|2}} to 2{{EB1911 tfrac|1|2}}&amp;nbsp;carats in size, are carefully set in the bit,
projecting but slightly from its surface. Two kinds of diamonds
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=Works=
==The Strand Magazine==
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu}} || done apart from music
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu}} || done apart from music
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu}} || ✔
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu}} || some work done
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu}} || some work done
|}
I've been interested in digitising [[The Strand Magazine]] for literally decades, and some of the original PG Strand Magazine uploads were done from my scans. One of my early motivations in 'returning' to WS was in finally getting The Strand Magazine done 'properly'. It's a lot of work to crop and upload the images - for these I'm using the scans that I originally uploaded to IA more than 10 years ago!

One major admin effort with these is adding Contents Pages for each issue, as these are generally not included in scans (they would have been in the advertising section which is generally removed when the issues are bound into 6-monthly volumes). I've now added these for the first 10 volumes, using the information from 
http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/k10/k10309.htm

Going further, I'm now also putting the information about the articles on the individual author pages. Currently all the information for the first 10 volumes is done - the aim is to get full contents pages for the first 20 volumes (everything from the 19th century).

April 25: I've recently spend quite a lot of time refreshing the main contents page for [[The Strand Magazine]], so that all of the transclusion work that people have done on later volumes is now properly represented on this main page.

==Punch==
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| [[Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf|Vol. 147 (Jul-Dec 1914)]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf}} || ✔ after a LOT of work!
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| [[Index:Punch_Vol_148.djvu|Vol. 148 &amp; 149 (Jan-Dec 1915)]] || {{Index progress bar|Punch_Vol_148.djvu}} || January issues now done, although not split into articles.
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I also find the WW1-era Punch magazines very interesting -- seeing how the comfortable pre-WW1 world was utterly changed in September 1914.
The 1914 volume took a lot of work, some of it semi-automated, to fully transcribe, including cropping hundreds of images, and linking the index to all the articles and authors. I'm now coming back to volume 148, and wishing that I had properly documented my 'semi-automated' steps for Volume 147 - there's a lot of work to move between page numbers, and issue numbers!


==The Gentleman's Magazine==
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| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf}} || Just uploaded.
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The first issues of the first monthly magazine (which originally meant 'storehouse'), famous for publishing many of Samuel Johnson's early works such as his reports of Parliamentary proceedings.

==New York Times==
{|
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| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf}} || ✔ End of WW1
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| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf}} || Death of Lincoln
|-
| [[Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf}} || Start of 1929 stock market crash
|}
My focus on this is getting a complete proofread/transcribe of some important historical dates, as well as getting the page structure organised. The page structure is now looking a lot better than it was when I first worked on it, although I'm still not sure what the point of a 'portal' is! At the main page now makes it possible for readers to browse through the large amount of articles that other people have proofread and transcribed.


==Popular Mechanics==
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| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf}} || Images uploaded and some proofreading done.
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I recently found that [[Popular Mechanics]] had a great archive of scans on IA, and have dived into the most recent copyright-free issues (from 1928 as of when this is written). All the 1928 issues have index pages. Often the 'behind the scenes' admin is just as time consuming as the proofreading with projects like this - most recently all of the named authors have been linked to their own WS pages.

All the authors now have links back to all the individual articles.

My enthusiasm for this periodical has waned; I will try and get the November issue finished but will probably not work on the other issues from this year.

==Comptometer-Related Material==
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| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
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A surprisingly long lived quarterly news bulletin covering events in the lives of Comptometer operatives worldwide.

==Photoplay==

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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|}

What do you do when you have 10 active projects? Start another one! [[Photoplay]] was one of the first fan-oriented Hollywood movie periodicals, and is a great record of how movies were reviewed when they first came out. The next few years will be very interesting as the early years of the 'talkies' come out of copyright.

==Other Material Being Worked On==
{|
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| [[Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu}} || Some individual articles worked on.
|}

The Annual Register is important work of British 'official history', including the founding of the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' mythos that lead to the British military focus on India in the 2nd half of the 18th century. Sadly it is in long-s and this still OCRs really badly. It also suffers from the 'sea of red' problem where someone has gone through and set every page as 'not proofread', which destroys my motivation! Some pages are half-proofread and have been for years, and at some point I might have to tackle them and redo them in my own style.

{|
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| [[Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu}} || Preface done.
|}

''The Whetstone of Witte'' is the first English algebra textbook, and one that I have used material from for a long time. It's definitely worth transcribing, but has a few problems - if nothing else, the 'cossic' symbols are not in Unicode!

{|
|-
| [[Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu}} || Issues Done: First 13.
|}

I'm not entirely sure why I get attracted to periodicals above everything else, but back in the PGDP days I spent quite a lot of time working on ''Notes and Queries'', and the state of it in Wikisource is rather poor - it looks like people have concentrated on getting five million page images on the site, without ever getting anything proofread. So, I'm starting to work through Series 1, Volume 1.

{|
|-
| [[Index:The Arts - Volume 1.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Arts - Volume 1.pdf}} || Issues 1 and 2 done.
|}

I have wanted to work on a 'modern art' journal for some time, and this looks like a good one - published for around 10 years from 1920 into the early 1930s.


==Completed or 'Shelved' Works==
{|
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| [[The Life and Writings of Alexandre Dumas]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_life_and_writings_of_Alexandre_Dumas_(1802-1870)_(IA_lifewritingsofal00spurrich).pdf}} || ✔
|}

I worked on this as a 'palate cleanser' between harder projects. I processed as it was linked from the Author page for Dumas, who featured in several Strand Magazine issues.

{|
|-
| [[Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu}} || Issue 12 done!
|}

I've been specifically concentrating on Issue 12 of Blackwood's Magazine, as it contained a couple of articles I was interested in, and in particular an early review of [[Frankenstein]], by [[Author:Mary Shelley|Mary Shelley]]. As I've proofread it I've grown to enjoy its style - it's similar in conception to the Gentleman's Magazine, but 100 years later and Scottish. I've now completed proofreading the issue that contained that review, and I'm not planning on doing any more work on it in the immediate future.

{|
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| [[Index:Methods of Operating the Comptometer (1895).djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Methods of Operating the Comptometer (1895).djvu}} || ✔ Done
|}

The manual of an early calculating machine, and the first one to gain widespead popularity. There are several editions, books of exercises, and both US and UK magazines from the 20s onwards.
Initially found due to a reference in a jobs advert in the 1918 New York Times. I'm happy to see that this has gone through the Monthly Challenge and is now completely validated. It may be a while before any other work that I've contributed to the site reaches the same status!

{|
|-
| [[Index:The Radio Times, 1923-09-28.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Radio Times, 1923-09-28.pdf}} || Fully proofread and transcluded.
|}

The Radio Times was the official listing magazine of the BBC, starting in 1923, and continuing into the 21st century. This is the very first issue, from 1923. I like the idea of proofreading more of these but, if I do, I'll probably focus on the articles rather than the listings (which are already available from the BBC). This one is completed, though, so there's a formatting base to work on.

{|
|-
| [[Index:The Illustrated London News, 1923-02-24.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Illustrated London News, 1923-02-24.pdf}} || Index created.
|}

An incredibly long-running weekly illustrated newspaper, and yet another Sisyphean project that I would never be able to complete! I'm looking at specific interesting issues to work on, and this is the 'Egypt Special' coinciding with the wave of interest due to the opening of Tutankhamun's tomb. Lots of nice illustrations, but sadly it's all from microfilm so the quality is not as good as it could be. I also don't want to have to deal with moving images back and forth to Commons based on UK copyright law, so I will probably shelve this project for the moment. 

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An illustrated book on the history of calculating machines from 1921. From Chicago so with a Compometer bias! Vaguely interested, but very low priority to work on.</text>
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=Works=
==The Strand Magazine==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu}} || some work done
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu}} || some work done
|}
I've been interested in digitising [[The Strand Magazine]] for literally decades, and some of the original PG Strand Magazine uploads were done from my scans. One of my early motivations in 'returning' to WS was in finally getting The Strand Magazine done 'properly'. It's a lot of work to crop and upload the images - for these I'm using the scans that I originally uploaded to IA more than 10 years ago!

One major admin effort with these is adding Contents Pages for each issue, as these are generally not included in scans (they would have been in the advertising section which is generally removed when the issues are bound into 6-monthly volumes). I've now added these for the first 10 volumes, using the information from 
http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/k10/k10309.htm

Going further, I'm now also putting the information about the articles on the individual author pages. Currently all the information for the first 10 volumes is done - the aim is to get full contents pages for the first 20 volumes (everything from the 19th century).

April 25: I've recently spend quite a lot of time refreshing the main contents page for [[The Strand Magazine]], so that all of the transclusion work that people have done on later volumes is now properly represented on this main page.

==Punch==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf|Vol. 147 (Jul-Dec 1914)]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf}} || ✔ after a LOT of work!
|-
| [[Index:Punch_Vol_148.djvu|Vol. 148 &amp; 149 (Jan-Dec 1915)]] || {{Index progress bar|Punch_Vol_148.djvu}} || January issues now done, although not split into articles.
|}
I also find the WW1-era Punch magazines very interesting -- seeing how the comfortable pre-WW1 world was utterly changed in September 1914.
The 1914 volume took a lot of work, some of it semi-automated, to fully transcribe, including cropping hundreds of images, and linking the index to all the articles and authors. I'm now coming back to volume 148, and wishing that I had properly documented my 'semi-automated' steps for Volume 147 - there's a lot of work to move between page numbers, and issue numbers!


==The Gentleman's Magazine==
{|
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf}} || Just uploaded.
|}

The first issues of the first monthly magazine (which originally meant 'storehouse'), famous for publishing many of Samuel Johnson's early works such as his reports of Parliamentary proceedings.

==New York Times==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf}} || ✔ End of WW1
|-
| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf}} || Death of Lincoln
|-
| [[Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf}} || Start of 1929 stock market crash
|}
My focus on this is getting a complete proofread/transcribe of some important historical dates, as well as getting the page structure organised. The page structure is now looking a lot better than it was when I first worked on it, although I'm still not sure what the point of a 'portal' is! At the main page now makes it possible for readers to browse through the large amount of articles that other people have proofread and transcribed.


==Popular Mechanics==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf}} || Images uploaded and some proofreading done.
|}
I recently found that [[Popular Mechanics]] had a great archive of scans on IA, and have dived into the most recent copyright-free issues (from 1928 as of when this is written). All the 1928 issues have index pages. Often the 'behind the scenes' admin is just as time consuming as the proofreading with projects like this - most recently all of the named authors have been linked to their own WS pages.

All the authors now have links back to all the individual articles.

My enthusiasm for this periodical has waned; I will try and get the November issue finished but will probably not work on the other issues from this year.

==Comptometer-Related Material==
{|
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.1.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.1.djvu}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.3.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.3.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|}

A surprisingly long lived quarterly news bulletin covering events in the lives of Comptometer operatives worldwide.

==Photoplay==

{|
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-07).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-07).pdf}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|}

What do you do when you have 10 active projects? Start another one! [[Photoplay]] was one of the first fan-oriented Hollywood movie periodicals, and is a great record of how movies were reviewed when they first came out. The next few years will be very interesting as the early years of the 'talkies' come out of copyright.

==Other Material Being Worked On==
{|
|-
| [[Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu}} || Some individual articles worked on.
|}

The Annual Register is important work of British 'official history', including the founding of the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' mythos that lead to the British military focus on India in the 2nd half of the 18th century. Sadly it is in long-s and this still OCRs really badly. It also suffers from the 'sea of red' problem where someone has gone through and set every page as 'not proofread', which destroys my motivation! Some pages are half-proofread and have been for years, and at some point I might have to tackle them and redo them in my own style.

{|
|-
| [[Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu}} || Preface done.
|}

''The Whetstone of Witte'' is the first English algebra textbook, and one that I have used material from for a long time. It's definitely worth transcribing, but has a few problems - if nothing else, the 'cossic' symbols are not in Unicode!

{|
|-
| [[Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu}} || Issues Done: First 13.
|}

I'm not entirely sure why I get attracted to periodicals above everything else, but back in the PGDP days I spent quite a lot of time working on ''Notes and Queries'', and the state of it in Wikisource is rather poor - it looks like people have concentrated on getting five million page images on the site, without ever getting anything proofread. So, I'm starting to work through Series 1, Volume 1.

{|
|-
| [[Index:The_Metropolis_of_Tomorrow.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Metropolis_of_Tomorrow.pdf}} || Created; images processed.


==Completed or 'Shelved' Works==
{|
|-
| [[The Life and Writings of Alexandre Dumas]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_life_and_writings_of_Alexandre_Dumas_(1802-1870)_(IA_lifewritingsofal00spurrich).pdf}} || ✔
|}

I worked on this as a 'palate cleanser' between harder projects. I processed as it was linked from the Author page for Dumas, who featured in several Strand Magazine issues.

{|
|-
| [[Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu}} || Issue 12 done!
|}

I've been specifically concentrating on Issue 12 of Blackwood's Magazine, as it contained a couple of articles I was interested in, and in particular an early review of [[Frankenstein]], by [[Author:Mary Shelley|Mary Shelley]]. As I've proofread it I've grown to enjoy its style - it's similar in conception to the Gentleman's Magazine, but 100 years later and Scottish. I've now completed proofreading the issue that contained that review, and I'm not planning on doing any more work on it in the immediate future.

{|
|-
| [[Index:Methods of Operating the Comptometer (1895).djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Methods of Operating the Comptometer (1895).djvu}} || ✔ Done
|}

The manual of an early calculating machine, and the first one to gain widespead popularity. There are several editions, books of exercises, and both US and UK magazines from the 20s onwards.
Initially found due to a reference in a jobs advert in the 1918 New York Times. I'm happy to see that this has gone through the Monthly Challenge and is now completely validated. It may be a while before any other work that I've contributed to the site reaches the same status!

{|
|-
| [[Index:The Radio Times, 1923-09-28.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Radio Times, 1923-09-28.pdf}} || Fully proofread and transcluded.
|}

The Radio Times was the official listing magazine of the BBC, starting in 1923, and continuing into the 21st century. This is the very first issue, from 1923. I like the idea of proofreading more of these but, if I do, I'll probably focus on the articles rather than the listings (which are already available from the BBC). This one is completed, though, so there's a formatting base to work on.

{|
|-
| [[Index:The Illustrated London News, 1923-02-24.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Illustrated London News, 1923-02-24.pdf}} || Index created.
|}

An incredibly long-running weekly illustrated newspaper, and yet another Sisyphean project that I would never be able to complete! I'm looking at specific interesting issues to work on, and this is the 'Egypt Special' coinciding with the wave of interest due to the opening of Tutankhamun's tomb. Lots of nice illustrations, but sadly it's all from microfilm so the quality is not as good as it could be. I also don't want to have to deal with moving images back and forth to Commons based on UK copyright law, so I will probably shelve this project for the moment. 

{|
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|}

An illustrated book on the history of calculating machines from 1921. From Chicago so with a Compometer bias! Vaguely interested, but very low priority to work on.

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|}

I have wanted to work on a 'modern art' journal for some time, and this looks like a good one - published for around 10 years from 1920 into the early 1930s. Sadly it looks like uploading the art to Commons would get very complicated due to the need for everything to be out of copyright in both the US and the country of origin, and I don't really want to have to deal with that.</text>
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=Works=
==The Strand Magazine==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu}} || some work done
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu}} || some work done
|}
I've been interested in digitising [[The Strand Magazine]] for literally decades, and some of the original PG Strand Magazine uploads were done from my scans. One of my early motivations in 'returning' to WS was in finally getting The Strand Magazine done 'properly'. It's a lot of work to crop and upload the images - for these I'm using the scans that I originally uploaded to IA more than 10 years ago!

One major admin effort with these is adding Contents Pages for each issue, as these are generally not included in scans (they would have been in the advertising section which is generally removed when the issues are bound into 6-monthly volumes). I've now added these for the first 10 volumes, using the information from 
http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/k10/k10309.htm

Going further, I'm now also putting the information about the articles on the individual author pages. Currently all the information for the first 10 volumes is done - the aim is to get full contents pages for the first 20 volumes (everything from the 19th century).

April 25: I've recently spend quite a lot of time refreshing the main contents page for [[The Strand Magazine]], so that all of the transclusion work that people have done on later volumes is now properly represented on this main page.

==Punch==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf|Vol. 147 (Jul-Dec 1914)]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf}} || ✔ after a LOT of work!
|-
| [[Index:Punch_Vol_148.djvu|Vol. 148 &amp; 149 (Jan-Dec 1915)]] || {{Index progress bar|Punch_Vol_148.djvu}} || January issues now done, although not split into articles.
|}
I also find the WW1-era Punch magazines very interesting -- seeing how the comfortable pre-WW1 world was utterly changed in September 1914.
The 1914 volume took a lot of work, some of it semi-automated, to fully transcribe, including cropping hundreds of images, and linking the index to all the articles and authors. I'm now coming back to volume 148, and wishing that I had properly documented my 'semi-automated' steps for Volume 147 - there's a lot of work to move between page numbers, and issue numbers!


==The Gentleman's Magazine==
{|
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf}} || Just uploaded.
|}

The first issues of the first monthly magazine (which originally meant 'storehouse'), famous for publishing many of Samuel Johnson's early works such as his reports of Parliamentary proceedings.

==New York Times==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf}} || ✔ End of WW1
|-
| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf}} || Death of Lincoln
|-
| [[Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf}} || Start of 1929 stock market crash
|}
My focus on this is getting a complete proofread/transcribe of some important historical dates, as well as getting the page structure organised. The page structure is now looking a lot better than it was when I first worked on it, although I'm still not sure what the point of a 'portal' is! At the main page now makes it possible for readers to browse through the large amount of articles that other people have proofread and transcribed.


==Popular Mechanics==
{|
|- 
! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
|-
| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf}} || Images uploaded and some proofreading done.
|}
I recently found that [[Popular Mechanics]] had a great archive of scans on IA, and have dived into the most recent copyright-free issues (from 1928 as of when this is written). All the 1928 issues have index pages. Often the 'behind the scenes' admin is just as time consuming as the proofreading with projects like this - most recently all of the named authors have been linked to their own WS pages.

All the authors now have links back to all the individual articles.

My enthusiasm for this periodical has waned; I will try and get the November issue finished but will probably not work on the other issues from this year.

==Comptometer-Related Material==
{|
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.1.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.1.djvu}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|-
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A surprisingly long lived quarterly news bulletin covering events in the lives of Comptometer operatives worldwide.

==Photoplay==

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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf}} || ✔ Done
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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf}} || Initial upload.
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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf}} || Initial upload.
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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf}} || Initial upload.
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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf}} || Initial upload.
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What do you do when you have 10 active projects? Start another one! [[Photoplay]] was one of the first fan-oriented Hollywood movie periodicals, and is a great record of how movies were reviewed when they first came out. The next few years will be very interesting as the early years of the 'talkies' come out of copyright.

==Other Material Being Worked On==
{|
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The Annual Register is important work of British 'official history', including the founding of the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' mythos that lead to the British military focus on India in the 2nd half of the 18th century. Sadly it is in long-s and this still OCRs really badly. It also suffers from the 'sea of red' problem where someone has gone through and set every page as 'not proofread', which destroys my motivation! Some pages are half-proofread and have been for years, and at some point I might have to tackle them and redo them in my own style.

{|
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| [[Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu}} || Preface done.
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''The Whetstone of Witte'' is the first English algebra textbook, and one that I have used material from for a long time. It's definitely worth transcribing, but has a few problems - if nothing else, the 'cossic' symbols are not in Unicode!

{|
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I'm not entirely sure why I get attracted to periodicals above everything else, but back in the PGDP days I spent quite a lot of time working on ''Notes and Queries'', and the state of it in Wikisource is rather poor - it looks like people have concentrated on getting five million page images on the site, without ever getting anything proofread. So, I'm starting to work through Series 1, Volume 1.

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==Completed or 'Shelved' Works==
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I worked on this as a 'palate cleanser' between harder projects. I processed as it was linked from the Author page for Dumas, who featured in several Strand Magazine issues.

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I've been specifically concentrating on Issue 12 of Blackwood's Magazine, as it contained a couple of articles I was interested in, and in particular an early review of [[Frankenstein]], by [[Author:Mary Shelley|Mary Shelley]]. As I've proofread it I've grown to enjoy its style - it's similar in conception to the Gentleman's Magazine, but 100 years later and Scottish. I've now completed proofreading the issue that contained that review, and I'm not planning on doing any more work on it in the immediate future.

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The manual of an early calculating machine, and the first one to gain widespead popularity. There are several editions, books of exercises, and both US and UK magazines from the 20s onwards.
Initially found due to a reference in a jobs advert in the 1918 New York Times. I'm happy to see that this has gone through the Monthly Challenge and is now completely validated. It may be a while before any other work that I've contributed to the site reaches the same status!

{|
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The Radio Times was the official listing magazine of the BBC, starting in 1923, and continuing into the 21st century. This is the very first issue, from 1923. I like the idea of proofreading more of these but, if I do, I'll probably focus on the articles rather than the listings (which are already available from the BBC). This one is completed, though, so there's a formatting base to work on.

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An incredibly long-running weekly illustrated newspaper, and yet another Sisyphean project that I would never be able to complete! I'm looking at specific interesting issues to work on, and this is the 'Egypt Special' coinciding with the wave of interest due to the opening of Tutankhamun's tomb. Lots of nice illustrations, but sadly it's all from microfilm so the quality is not as good as it could be. I also don't want to have to deal with moving images back and forth to Commons based on UK copyright law, so I will probably shelve this project for the moment. 

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An illustrated book on the history of calculating machines from 1921. From Chicago so with a Compometer bias! Vaguely interested, but very low priority to work on.

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I have wanted to work on a 'modern art' journal for some time, and this looks like a good one - published for around 10 years from 1920 into the early 1930s. Sadly it looks like uploading the art to Commons would get very complicated due to the need for everything to be out of copyright in both the US and the country of origin, and I don't really want to have to deal with that.</text>
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=Works=
==The Strand Magazine==
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| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_1).djvu}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_2).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu}} || done apart from music
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_5).djvu}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_6).djvu}} || some work done
|-
| [[Index:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu]] || {{Index progress bar|The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_7).djvu}} || some work done
|}
I've been interested in digitising [[The Strand Magazine]] for literally decades, and some of the original PG Strand Magazine uploads were done from my scans. One of my early motivations in 'returning' to WS was in finally getting The Strand Magazine done 'properly'. It's a lot of work to crop and upload the images - for these I'm using the scans that I originally uploaded to IA more than 10 years ago!

One major admin effort with these is adding Contents Pages for each issue, as these are generally not included in scans (they would have been in the advertising section which is generally removed when the issues are bound into 6-monthly volumes). I've now added these for the first 10 volumes, using the information from 
http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/k10/k10309.htm

Going further, I'm now also putting the information about the articles on the individual author pages. Currently all the information for the first 10 volumes is done - the aim is to get full contents pages for the first 20 volumes (everything from the 19th century).

April 25: I've recently spend quite a lot of time refreshing the main contents page for [[The Strand Magazine]], so that all of the transclusion work that people have done on later volumes is now properly represented on this main page.

==Punch==
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! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
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| [[Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf|Vol. 147 (Jul-Dec 1914)]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Punch_(Volume_147).pdf}} || ✔ after a LOT of work!
|-
| [[Index:Punch_Vol_148.djvu|Vol. 148 &amp; 149 (Jan-Dec 1915)]] || {{Index progress bar|Punch_Vol_148.djvu}} || January issues now done, although not split into articles.
|}
I also find the WW1-era Punch magazines very interesting -- seeing how the comfortable pre-WW1 world was utterly changed in September 1914.
The 1914 volume took a lot of work, some of it semi-automated, to fully transcribe, including cropping hundreds of images, and linking the index to all the articles and authors. I'm now coming back to volume 148, and wishing that I had properly documented my 'semi-automated' steps for Volume 147 - there's a lot of work to move between page numbers, and issue numbers!


==The Gentleman's Magazine==
{|
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| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-01.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-02.pdf}} || ✔ 
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| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-03.pdf}} || ✔ 
|-
| [[Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Gentleman's Magazine 1731-04.pdf}} || Just uploaded.
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The first issues of the first monthly magazine (which originally meant 'storehouse'), famous for publishing many of Samuel Johnson's early works such as his reports of Parliamentary proceedings.

==New York Times==
{|
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! Volume || style=width:20em | Progress || Notes
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| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1918-11-11.pdf}} || ✔ End of WW1
|-
| [[Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The_New_York_Times,_1865-04-15.pdf}} || Death of Lincoln
|-
| [[Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf}} || Start of 1929 stock market crash
|}
My focus on this is getting a complete proofread/transcribe of some important historical dates, as well as getting the page structure organised. The page structure is now looking a lot better than it was when I first worked on it, although I'm still not sure what the point of a 'portal' is! At the main page now makes it possible for readers to browse through the large amount of articles that other people have proofread and transcribed.


==Popular Mechanics==
{|
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| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 01.pdf}} || ✔
|-
| [[Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf]] || {{Index progress bar|Index:Popular Mechanics 1928 11.pdf}} || Images uploaded and some proofreading done.
|}
I recently found that [[Popular Mechanics]] had a great archive of scans on IA, and have dived into the most recent copyright-free issues (from 1928 as of when this is written). All the 1928 issues have index pages. Often the 'behind the scenes' admin is just as time consuming as the proofreading with projects like this - most recently all of the named authors have been linked to their own WS pages.

All the authors now have links back to all the individual articles.

My enthusiasm for this periodical has waned; I will try and get the November issue finished but will probably not work on the other issues from this year.

==Comptometer-Related Material==
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|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.2.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.3.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.3.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|-
| [[Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Comptometer_News_1.4.djvu}} || Illustrations cropped and uploaded.
|}

A surprisingly long lived quarterly news bulletin covering events in the lives of Comptometer operatives worldwide.

==Photoplay==

{|
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| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-07).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-07).pdf}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-08).pdf}} || ✔ Done
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-09).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-10).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-11).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|-
| [[Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Photoplay (1929-12).pdf}} || Initial upload.
|}

What do you do when you have 10 active projects? Start another one! [[Photoplay]] was one of the first fan-oriented Hollywood movie periodicals, and is a great record of how movies were reviewed when they first came out. The next few years will be very interesting as the early years of the 'talkies' come out of copyright.

==Other Material Being Worked On==
{|
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| [[Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The Annual Register 1758.djvu}} || Some individual articles worked on.
|}

The Annual Register is important work of British 'official history', including the founding of the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' mythos that lead to the British military focus on India in the 2nd half of the 18th century. Sadly it is in long-s and this still OCRs really badly. It also suffers from the 'sea of red' problem where someone has gone through and set every page as 'not proofread', which destroys my motivation! Some pages are half-proofread and have been for years, and at some point I might have to tackle them and redo them in my own style.

{|
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| [[Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:The_Whetstone_of_Witte.djvu}} || Preface done.
|}

''The Whetstone of Witte'' is the first English algebra textbook, and one that I have used material from for a long time. It's definitely worth transcribing, but has a few problems - if nothing else, the 'cossic' symbols are not in Unicode!

{|
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| [[Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu}} || Issues Done: First 13.
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I'm not entirely sure why I get attracted to periodicals above everything else, but back in the PGDP days I spent quite a lot of time working on ''Notes and Queries'', and the state of it in Wikisource is rather poor - it looks like people have concentrated on getting five million page images on the site, without ever getting anything proofread. So, I'm starting to work through Series 1, Volume 1.

{|
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An interesting early work on city planning and the architecture of 'skyscrapers'.

==Completed or 'Shelved' Works==
{|
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|}

I worked on this as a 'palate cleanser' between harder projects. I processed as it was linked from the Author page for Dumas, who featured in several Strand Magazine issues.

{|
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| [[Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu]] || style=width:20em | {{Index progress bar|Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 002.djvu}} || Issue 12 done!
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I've been specifically concentrating on Issue 12 of Blackwood's Magazine, as it contained a couple of articles I was interested in, and in particular an early review of [[Frankenstein]], by [[Author:Mary Shelley|Mary Shelley]]. As I've proofread it I've grown to enjoy its style - it's similar in conception to the Gentleman's Magazine, but 100 years later and Scottish. I've now completed proofreading the issue that contained that review, and I'm not planning on doing any more work on it in the immediate future.

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The manual of an early calculating machine, and the first one to gain widespead popularity. There are several editions, books of exercises, and both US and UK magazines from the 20s onwards.
Initially found due to a reference in a jobs advert in the 1918 New York Times. I'm happy to see that this has gone through the Monthly Challenge and is now completely validated. It may be a while before any other work that I've contributed to the site reaches the same status!

{|
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|}

The Radio Times was the official listing magazine of the BBC, starting in 1923, and continuing into the 21st century. This is the very first issue, from 1923. I like the idea of proofreading more of these but, if I do, I'll probably focus on the articles rather than the listings (which are already available from the BBC). This one is completed, though, so there's a formatting base to work on.

{|
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|}

An incredibly long-running weekly illustrated newspaper, and yet another Sisyphean project that I would never be able to complete! I'm looking at specific interesting issues to work on, and this is the 'Egypt Special' coinciding with the wave of interest due to the opening of Tutankhamun's tomb. Lots of nice illustrations, but sadly it's all from microfilm so the quality is not as good as it could be. I also don't want to have to deal with moving images back and forth to Commons based on UK copyright law, so I will probably shelve this project for the moment. 

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An illustrated book on the history of calculating machines from 1921. From Chicago so with a Compometer bias! Vaguely interested, but very low priority to work on.

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I have wanted to work on a 'modern art' journal for some time, and this looks like a good one - published for around 10 years from 1920 into the early 1930s. Sadly it looks like uploading the art to Commons would get very complicated due to the need for everything to be out of copyright in both the US and the country of origin, and I don't really want to have to deal with that.</text>
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adjusted, by moving the plates perpendicular to one another and by altering the distance of the plates from one another, this so-called &quot;travelling mark&quot; can be placed on any point of the landscape, and then used for the measurement of solidity of the objects, or the production of plans and models, just as formerly, for example, the measuring staff was used for geodetic observations, with the difference that in the stereocomparator the mark is regulated by the observer only and is not hindered in its movements by any undulations, &amp;c, of the land. 

Fig. 13 shows how the lateral movement of the mark m2 is transformed in a movement towards and away from the observer in the three-dimensional image M. Fig. 14 shows the theory of 
measuring a stereophotograph. The axes are horizontal when 
the photograph is taken, and the plates are in one plane. It 
shows the method of calculating the position of the point P in 
the object-space from the co-ordinates X1 and y1 of image-point on the left plate and the so-called parallel axis a = x1 - x2; the last is constant for all points in the vertical plane GG through P at right angles to M1O1. The two microscopes in fig. 14 really produce erect pictures, and the two plates are so placed in the stereocomparator as to be seen from P1′ and P2′. 

The use of the stereocomparator is unlimited for the measurement of relief. It is extended similarly to all objects and phenomena, large and small, distant and near, in motion or 
stationary, to those which retain their shape for a long 
period or which are constantly changing, or to those which 
are only visible for a short time. For a large number of experiments of this sort—mountain photography (Von Hubl, &amp;c.), 
coastal measurements, photographing a battle from a ship, 
geodesy, study of the waves (Kohlschütter, Laas), the trajectory of a shot (Neuffer, Krupp, Neesen), the use in building railways or on voyages of discovery, &amp;c.—the stereocomparator has new fields are being constantly 
opened up for it. A further advance has been made in the 
stereophotogrammetric method by providing the stereocomparator 
with a drawing apparatus (F. V. Thomson, E. v. Orel and Carl 
Zeiss), with which contours can be automatically drawn from 
the stereophotogrammetric photographs. E. Deville's (1903) stereoplanigraph (fig. 15), designed for the same purpose, is only used as a demonstration apparatus. The mirrors are transparent for the observation of a source of light, &amp;c., which is moved in the object-space. 

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The stereometer may be regarded as a modification of the stereo-comparator, and is constructed for the measurement of men and animals, and also for sculpture, and for the observation of complete stereoscopic photographs. The motion of the mark is effected by a lateral movement of one of the two objectives forming the picture. Pulfrich has recently provided the Greenough binocular microscope with a point or a circular mark situated exactly in the centre of the 
field of view for the purpose of the direct gauging of small preparations which cannot be directly brought into contact with a mark. This contact with the preparation is effected by displacing either the preparation or the microscope, and the separate distances are read with a vernier. 

The earlier suggestions for making the stereoscope a measuring 
instrument were not realized though decisive improvements 
were made. Brewster was unconsciously near the solution of 
the problem when he prepared ghosts or vistas by placing one 
transparent picture over another. More important than these 
trivial pictures are the superposed pictures (of conic sections, machines, anatomical preparations, &amp;c.) contrived by E. Mach (1866) in which sections of the same solid object are successively photographed on one plate so that in a stereoscope one can see, as it were, through the opaque surface of the solid into the interior. To A. Rollet (1861) is due the merit of constructing the first stereoscopic measuring scale. It was a sort of ladder, whose rungs gave the distances of objects. Shortly after Mach suggested using the mirror image of a wire model observed in a transparent mirror for the measurement of the dimensions of a body placed behind the glass plate. 

The works of I. Harmer (1881) and F. Stolze (1884 and 1892) 
are of importance for the history of the development of stereoscopic measurement. Harmer used a scale of depth consisting of a series of squares arranged one behind the other in order to measure in the stereoscope a picture of the clouds taken with a large base-line (about 15 metres). Stolze placed gratings in front of the two semi-pictures of a mirror stereoscope, one of which could be moved by a micrometer, and he thus discovered the device called the &quot;travelling mark.&quot; Apparently independent of all earlier experimenters T. Marie and H. Ribaut had the idea of the &quot;travelling mark&quot; in 1899 and 1900 and used it for measuring the Röntgefi radiographs. 

Of the applications of stereoscopy we may notice the utilization of spatial effects and troubles in stereoscopic vision (agitation and lustrous appearances) in the discovery of differences and alterations in pictures. The method was first used by Brewster to recognize irregularities in carpet patterns, and later by Dove and others for distinguishing the original from a copy, for testing coins, cheques, &amp;c. Moreover, with the development of celestial photography, the stereoscope came to be applied to the discovery of planets, comets, variable stars, errors in plates, the proper motions and parallaxes of the fixed stars (Harmer, Kummel, Wolf and Lenard, Förster and others). 

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The stereocomparator has also been employed in astrometry, 
and a planetoid discovered by its aid was named Stereoscopia 
in recognition of this application. Since 1904 binocular 
observation of stellar plates to determine differences in the 
images of the objects reproduced has been gradually discarded 
for the method devised by Pulfrich, which consists in the 
monocular observation of the two plates in the stereocomparator with the assistance of the so-called &quot;blink&quot; microscope (fig. 16). In this microscope the two pictures are seen simultaneously, or individually by alternately opening the screens B1 and B2 . 
In the second case all differences of the two images 
are immediately distinguished by a sudden oscillation of 
the image-point or by a sudden appearance and disappearance of single points like flash lights at sea or the modern 
illuminated sky lights in towns, and there is now no merit in 
discovering new planets, comets and variable stars by this 
method. 

The blink microscope is far more useful than the stereomicro- 
scope for such purposes, for there is not one special direction in which differences can be best distinguished. It is better therefore for the stereo method to be restricted to the work for which it is specially suitable, and for which it will never be replaced, and for such experiments as we have just discussed to be solely performed with the aid of the blink microscope. (C. P.*) 

&lt;section end=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''STERLING, ANTOINETTE''' (d. 1904), Anglo-American vocalist, 
was born at Sterlingville, New York state. She studied with 
Mme Marchesi, with Mme Viardot Garcia and with Manuel 
Garcia, and after singing for two years in America came 
in 1873 to England, where she made her first appearance at 
Covent Garden under Sir Julius Benedict and rapidly became 
a popular favourite among the contraltos of the day. She 
gained her greatest successes as a ballad-singer, especially in 
such songs as &quot; Caller Herrin',&quot; &quot; The Three Fishers &quot; and &quot; The 
Lost Chord.&quot; She was a woman of deep religious feeling and 
many enthusiasms, and her name was constantly associated 
with philanthropic enterprise. She died on the 10th of January 
1904. In 1875 she had married Mr John Mackinlay, and her 
life was written by her son, Mr Sterling Mackinlay, in 1906. &lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{EB1911 lkpl|trogon}}s (''q.v.'') and barbets, for a long time confounded, under
the general name of barbets, with the ''Capitonidae'' of modern
systematists. Each group has formed the subject of an elaborate
monograph—the ''Capitonidae'' being treated by C.&amp;nbsp;H.&amp;nbsp;T.
and G.&amp;nbsp;F.&amp;nbsp;L. Marshall (London, 1870–1871), and the ''Bucconidae''
by P.&amp;nbsp;L. Sclater (London, 1879–1882). The ''Bucconinae'' are
zygodactylous birds confined to the neotropical region, in the
middle parts of which, and especially in its sub-Andean sub-region,
they are, as regards species, abundant; while only two
seem to reach Guatemala and but one Paraguay. As with
most South American birds, the habits and natural history
of the ''Bucconidae'' have been but little studied, and of only one
species, which happens to belong to a rather abnormal genus,
has the nidification been described. This is the ''Chelidoptera''
''tenebrosa'', which is said to breed in holes in banks, and to lay
white eggs much like those of the kingfisher and consequently
those of the jacamars. From his own observation Swainson
writes (''loc. cit.'') that puff-birds are very grotesque in appearance.
They will sit nearly motionless for hours on the dead bough of a
tree, and while so sitting “the disproportionate size of the head
is rendered more conspicuous by the bird raising its feathers
so as to appear not unlike a puff-ball{{...|4}} When frightened
their form is suddenly changed by the feathers lying quite flat.”
They are very confiding birds and will often station themselves
a few yards only from a window. The ''Bucconidae'' almost without
exception are very plainly-coloured, and the majority have a
spotted or mottled plumage suggestive of immaturity. The
first puff-bird known to Europeans seems to have been that
described by G.&amp;nbsp;de&amp;nbsp;L.&amp;nbsp;Marcgrav, under the name of “''tamatia'',”
by which it is said to have been called in Brazil, and there is
good reason to think that his description and figure—the last,
comic as it is in outline and expression, having been copied by
F.&amp;nbsp;Willughby and many of the older authors—apply to the
''Bucco maculatus'' of modern ornithology—a bird placed by
M.&amp;nbsp;J.&amp;nbsp;Brisson (''Ornithologie'', iv.&amp;nbsp;524) among the kingfishers. But
if so, Marcgrav described and figured the same species twice,
since his “''Matuitui''&amp;#8202;” is also Brisson’s “''Martin''-''pescheur tacheté'' 
''du Brésil''.”

P. L. Sclater divides the family into 7 genera, of which ''Bucco''
is the largest and contains 20 species. The others are ''Malacoptila''
and ''Monacha'', each with 7, ''Nonnula'' with 5, ''Chelidoptera''
with 2, and ''Micromonacha'' and ''Hapaloptila'' with 1 species each.
The most showy puff-birds are those of the genus ''Monacha'',
with an inky-black plumage, usually diversified by white about
the head, and a red or yellow bill.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''PUFFIN,''' the common English name of a sea-bird, the ''Fratercula'' 
''arctica'' of most ornithologists, known however on various
parts of the British coasts as the bottlenose, coulterneb, pope, sea-parrot
and tammy-norie, to say nothing of other still more
local designations, some (as marrott and willock) shared also
with allied species of ''Alcidae'', to which family it belongs. Of
old time puffins were a valuable commodity to the owners of
their breeding-places, for the young were taken from the holes
in which they were hatched, and “being exceeding fat,” as Carew
wrote in 1602 (''Survey of Cornwall'', fol.&amp;nbsp;35), were “kept salted,
and reputed for fish, as coming neerest thereto in their taste.”
In 1345, according to a document from which an extract is
given in Heath’s ''Islands of Scilly'' (p.&amp;nbsp;190), those islands were
held of the Crown at a yearly rent of 300 puffins&lt;ref&gt;
There cannot be much doubt that the name puffin given to
these young birds, salted and dried, was applied on account of
their downy clothing, for an English informant of Gesner’s
described one to him (''Hist. avium'', p.&amp;nbsp;110) as wanting true feathers,
and being covered only with a sort of woolly black plumage. It
is right, however, to state that Caius expressly declares (''Rarior.'' 
''animal. libellus'', fol.&amp;nbsp;21) that the name is derived “a naturali voce
pupin.” Skeat states that the word is a diminutive, which favours
the view that it was originally used as a name for these young
birds. The parents were probably known by one or other of their
many local appellations.
&lt;/ref&gt; or 6s.&amp;nbsp;8d., being
one-sixth of their estimated annual value. A few years later
(1484), either through the birds having grown scarcer or money
cheaper, only 50 puffins are said (''op. cit.'' p.&amp;nbsp;196) to have been
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
demanded. It is stated by both Gesner and Caius that they
were allowed to be eaten in Lent. Ligon, who in 1673 published
a ''History of the Island of Barbadoes'', speaks (p.&amp;nbsp;37) of the ill
taste of puffins “which we have from the isles of Scilly,” and
adds “this kind of food is only for servants.” Puffins used to
resort in vast numbers to certain stations on the coast, and are
still plentiful on some, reaching them in spring with remarkable
punctuality on a certain day, which naturally varies with the
locality, and after passing the summer there leaving their homes
with similar precision. They differ from most other ''Alcidae''
in laying their single egg (which is white with a few grey markings
when first produced, but speedily begrimed by the soil) in a shallow
burrow, which they either dig for themselves or appropriate
from a rabbit, for on most of their haunts rabbits have been
introduced. Their plumage is of a glossy black above—the
cheeks grey, encircled by a black band—and pure white beneath;
their feet are of a bright reddish orange, but the most remarkable
feature of these birds, and one that gives them a very comical
expression, is their huge bill. This is very deep and laterally
flattened, so as indeed to resemble a coulter, as one of the bird’s
common names expresses; but moreover it is parti-coloured—blue,
yellow and red—curiously grooved and still more
curiously embossed in places, that is to say during the breeding-season,
when the birds are most frequently seen. But it had
long been known to some observers that such puffins as
occasionally occur in winter (most often washed up on the shore
and dead) presented a beak very different in shape and size, and
to account for the difference was a standing puzzle. Many
years ago Bingley (''North Wales'', i.&amp;nbsp;354) stated that puffins
“are said to change their bills annually.” The remark seems
to have been generally overlooked; but it has proved to be very
near the truth, for after investigations carefully pursued during
some years by Dr&amp;nbsp;Bureau of Nantes he was in 1877 enabled to
show (''Bull. Soc. Zool. France'', ii. 377–399)&lt;ref&gt;
See ''Zoologist'' for 1878, pp.&amp;nbsp;233–240.
&lt;/ref&gt; that the puffin’s
bill undergoes what may be called an annual moult, some of its
most remarkable appendages, as well as certain horny
outgrowths above and beneath the eyes, dropping off at the end
of the breeding season, and being reproduced the following
year. Not long after the same naturalist announced (''op. cit.'')
iv.&amp;nbsp;1–68) that he had followed the similar changes which he
found to take place, not only in other species of puffins, as the
''Fratercula corniculata'' and ''F.&amp;nbsp;cirrhata'' of the Northern Pacific,
but in several birds of the kindred genera ''Ceratorhina'' and
''Simorhynachus'' inhabiting the same waters. The name puffin
has also been given in books to one of the shearwaters which
belong to the sub-family ''Procellariina'' of the {{EB1911 lkpl|Petrel}}s (''q.v.''), and
its latinized form ''Puffinus'' is still used in that sense in
scientific nomenclature. This fact seems to have arisen from a
mistake of Ray’s who, seeing in Tradescant’s Museum and that
of the Royal Society some young shearwaters from the Isle of
Man, prepared in like manner to young puffins, thought they
were the birds mentioned by Gesner as the remarks inserted in
Willughby’s ''Ornithologia'' (p.&amp;nbsp;251) prove; for the specimens
described by Ray were as clearly shearwaters as Gesner’s were
puffins.

&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''PUGACHEV, EMEL’YAN IVANOVICH''' (? 1741–1775), Russian pretender, the date of whose birth is uncertain, was the son of a small Cossack landowner. He married a Cossack girl Sofia Nedyuzheva, in 1758, and the same year was sent with his fellow Cossacks to Prussia, under the lead of Count Zachary Chernuishev. In the first Turkish War (1769–74) of Catherine&amp;nbsp;II. Pugachev, now a Cossack ensign, served under Count Peter Panin and was present at the siege of Bender. Invalided home, he led for the next few years a wandering life; was more than once arrested and imprisoned as a deserter; and finally, after frequenting the monasteries of the “Old Believers,” who exercised considerable influence over him, suddenly proclaimed himself (1773) to be Peter&amp;nbsp;III. The story of Pugachev’s strong resemblance to the murdered emperor is a later legend. Pugachev dubbed himself Peter&amp;nbsp;III. the better to attract to his standard all those (and they were many) who attributed their misery to&lt;section end=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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      <text bytes="9250" sha1="2mb3ikf5z9djhhl5lwrzr621fh7y2vx" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;DivermanAU&quot; /&gt;{{EB1911 Page Heading|  |PUGET|PUGILISM|637}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;the government of Catherine&amp;nbsp;II., for Peter&amp;nbsp;III. was generally
remembered as the determined opponent of Catherine. As
a matter of fact Pugachev and his followers were hostile to every
form of settled government. The one thought of the destitute
thousands who joined the new Peter was to sweep away utterly
the intolerably oppressive upper-classes. Pugachev’s story
was that he and his principal adherents had escaped from the
clutches of Catherine, and were resolved to redress the grievances
of the people, give absolute liberty to the Cossacks, and put
Catherine herself away in a monastery. He held a sort of mimic
court at which one Cossack impersonated Nikita Panin, another
Zachary Chernuishev, and so on. The Russian government
at first made light of the rising. At the beginning of October
1773 it was simply regarded as a nuisance, and 500 roubles was
considered a sufficient reward for the head of the troublesome
Cossack. At the end of November 28,000 roubles were promised
to whomsoever should bring him in alive or dead. Even
then, however, Catherine, in her correspondence with Voltaire,
affected to treat “''l’affaire du Marquis de Pugachev''” as a mere
joke, but by the beginning of 1774 the joke had developed into
a very serious danger. All the forts on the Volga and Ural were
now in the hands of the rebels; the Bashkirs had joined them;
and the governor of Moscow reported great restlessness among
the population of central Russia. Shortly afterwards Pugachev
captured Kazan, reduced most of the churches and monasteries
there to ashes, and massacred all who refused to join him.
General Peter Panin, the conqueror of Bender, was thereupon
sent against the rebels with a large army, but difficulty of transport,
lack of discipline, and the gross insubordination of his ill-paid
soldiers paralysed all his efforts for months, while the innumerable
and ubiquitous bands of Pugachev were victorious in
nearly every engagement. Not till August 1774 did General
Mikhelson inflict a crushing defeat upon the rebels near Tsaritsyn,
when they lost ten thousand in killed and prisoners.
Panin’s savage reprisals, after the capture of Penza, completed
their discomfiture. Pugachev was delivered up by his own
Cossacks on attempting to fly to the Urals (Sept.&amp;nbsp;14), and
was executed at Moscow on the 11th of January 1775.

{{Fine block|See N. Dubrovin, ''Pugachev and his Associates'' (Rus.; Petersburg,
1884); ''Catherine&amp;nbsp;II.'', ''Political Correspondence'' (Rus. Fr. Ger.;
Petersburg, 1885, &amp;c.); S.&amp;nbsp;I. Gnyedich, ''Emilian Pugachev'' (Rus.;
Petersburg, 1902). {{Fs|108%|{{EB1911 footer initials|Robert Nisbet Bain|R. N. B.}}}}}}

&lt;section end=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''PUGET, PIERRE''' (1622–1694), French painter, sculptor, architect and engineer, was born at Marseilles on the 31st of
October 1622. At the age of fourteen he carved the ornaments
of the galleys built in the port of his native city, and at sixteen
the decoration and construction of a ship were entrusted to
him. Soon after he went to Italy on foot, and was well
received at Rome by Pietro di Cortona, who employed him on
the ceilings of the Barberini Palace and on those of the Pitti at
Florence. In 1643 he returned to Marseilles, where he painted
portraits and carved the colossal figure-heads of men-of-war.
After a second journey to Italy in 1646 he painted also a great
number of pictures for Aix, Toulon, Cuers and La Ciotat, and
sculptured a large marble group of the Virgin and Child for the
church of Lorgues. His caryatides for the balcony of the Hôtel de
Ville of Toulon were executed between 1655 and 1657. N.&amp;nbsp;Fouquet
employed Puget to sculpture a Hercules for his château in
Vaux. The artist’s desire to paint gradually subsided before
his passion for sculpture, and a serious illness in 1665 brought
Puget a prohibition from the doctors which caused him wholly
to put aside the brush. The fall of Fouquet in 1660 found
Puget at Genoa. Here he executed for Sublet des Noyers
his French Hercules (Louvre), the statues of St&amp;nbsp;Sebastian and
of Alexandre Sauli in the church of Carignano (''c''.&amp;nbsp;1664), and
much other work. The Doria family gave him a church to
build; the senate proposed that he should paint their council
chamber. But Colbert bade Puget return to France, and in
1669 he again took up his old work in the dockyards of Toulon.
The arsenal which he had there undertaken to construct under
the orders of the duke of Beaufort was destroyed by fire, and
Puget, disheartened, took leave of Toulon. In 1685 he went
back to Marseilles, where he continued the long series of works
of sculpture on which he had been employed by Colbert. His
statue of Milo (Louvre) had been completed in 1682, Perseus
and Andromeda (Louvre) in 1684; and Alexander and Diogenes
(bas-relief, Louvre) in 1685, but, in spite of the personal
favour which he enjoyed, Puget, on coming to Paris in 1688 to
push forward the execution of an equestrian statue of Louis&amp;nbsp;XIV.,
found court intrigues too much for him. He was forced to
abandon his project and retire to Marseilles, where he remained
till his death on the 2nd of December 1694. His last work,
a bas-relief of the Plague of Milan, which remained unfinished,
was placed in the council chamber of the town hall of his
native city.

In spite of Puget’s visits to Paris and Rome his work never
lost its local character: his Hercules is fresh from the galleys of
Toulon; his saints and virgins are men and women who speak
Provençal. His best work, the St&amp;nbsp;Sebastian at Genoa, though
a little heavy in parts, shows admirable energy and life, as well
as great skill in contrasting the decorative accessories with the
simple surface of the nude. There is in the museum of Aix in
Provence the bust of a long-haired young man in pseudo classical
costume which is believed to be a portrait of Louis&amp;nbsp;XIV.
made by Puget at the time of the king’s visit in 1660.

{{Fine block|See Léon Lagrange, ''Pierre Puget'' (Paris, 1868, with a catalogue of
works); Charles Ginoux, ''Annales de la vie de P.&amp;nbsp;Puget'' (Paris, 1894);
Philippe Auquier, ''Pierre Puget {{...}} biographie critique'' (Paris, 1903).}}

&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''PUGILISM''' (from Lat. ''pugil'', boxer, Gr. &lt;span title=pýx&gt;{{Greek|πύξ}}&lt;/span&gt;, with clenched fist), the practice or sport of fighting with the fists. The first mention of such fighting in literature is found in the 23rd book of the ''Iliad'', and shows that in Homer’s time the art was already highly developed. The occasion was the games at the funeral of Patroclus, the champions engaged being Epeus, the builder of the wooden horse, and Euryalus. Each combatant seems to have been naked except for a belt, and to have worn the cestus.
The fight ends with the defeat of Euryalus. According to
Virgil (''Aeneid'',&amp;nbsp;v.) similar games took place within the walls of Troy at the funeral of Hector, the principal boxers being Dares, the winner, and the gigantic Butex, a pupil of Amycus, Paris, the Trojan champion, abstaining from the contests. Further on we find the account of the games on the occasion of the funeral of Anchises, in the course of which Dares, the Trojan, receiving no answer to his challenge from the Sicilians, who stood aghast at his mighty proportions, claims the prize; but, just as it is about to be awarded him, Entellus, an aged but huge and sinewy Sicilian, arises and casts into the arena as a
sign of his acceptance of the combat the massive cesti, all stained with blood and brains, which he has inherited from King Eryx,
his master in the art of boxing. The Trojans are now appalled
in their turn, and Dares, aghast at the fearful implements, refused
the battle, which, however, is at length begun after Aeneas
has furnished the heroes with equally matched cesti. For
some time the young and lusty Dares circles about his gigantic but old and stiff opponent, upon whom he rains a torrent of blows which are avoided by the clever guarding and dodging of the Sicilian hero. At last Entellus, having got his opponent into a favourable position, raises his tremendous right hand on high and aims a terrible blow at the Trojan’s head; but the wary Dares deftly steps aside, and Entellus, missing his adversary altogether, falls headlong by the impetus of his own blow, with a crash like that of a falling pine. Shouts of mingled exultation and dismay break from the multitude, and the friends of the aged Sicilian rush forward to raise their fallen champion and bear him from the arena; but, greatly to the astonishment of all, Entellus motions them away and returns to the fight more keenly than before. The old man’s blood is stirred, and he attacks his youthful enemy with such furious and headlong rushes, buffeting him grievously with both hands, that Aeneas puts an end to the battle, though barely in time to save the discomfited Trojan from being beaten into insensibility. 

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to the scratch,” ''i.e.'' the middle of the ring, at the call of the
referee at the beginning of a new round. Each round ended
when one fighter fell or was knocked or thrown to the ground,
but a pugilist “going down to avoid punishment,” ''i.e.'' without
being struck by the opponent, was liable to forfeit the fight.
Wrestling played an important rôle in the old prize-ring, and a
favourite method of weakening an adversary was to throw
him heavily and then fall upon him, seemingly by accident,
as the manœuvre, if done intentionally, was foul. The fighting
was of the roughest description, low tricks of all kinds being
practised when the referee’s attention was diverted, gouging
out an adversary’s eye being by no means unknown. Until
1795 pugilists wore long hair, but during a fight in that year
Jackson caught Mendoza by his long locks and held him down
helpless while he hit him. This was adjudged fair by the referee,
with the result that prize-fighters have ever since cropped their
head. Nevertheless there were rules which no fighter dared
to overstep, such as those against kicking, hitting below the
belt, and striking a man when he had fallen.

From the time of Cribb the English champions were Tom
Spring (1824), Jem Ward (1825), Jem Burke (1833), W. Thompson,
called “Bendigo” (1839–1845), Ben Caunt (1841), W. Perry,
the “Tipton Slasher&quot; (1850), Harry Broome (1851), Tom
Sayers (1857–1860), Jem Mace (1861–1863), Tom King (1863),
and again Mace, until 1872.

In America boxing began to be popular about the beginning
of the 19th century. The first recognized national champion
was Tom Hyer (1841–1848), who was followed by James Ambrose
(born in Ireland), called “Yankee Sullivan”; John Morrissey
(afterwards elected to the United States Congress); John C.
Heenan; Tom Allen (of England); Jem Mace (of England);
J.&amp;nbsp;Kilrain; John L.&amp;nbsp;Sullivan (1880–1891); J.&amp;nbsp;J. Corbett (1892–1897);
Robert Fitzsimmons (1897–1900) (born in Cornwall);
James J.&amp;nbsp;Jeffries. The defeat of the last named by the negro
Jack Johnson in 1910 caused a great sensation.

What is still the most celebrated prize-fight of modern times
took place at Farnborough in April 1860, between Tom Sayers
and the huge youthful American pugilist J.&amp;nbsp;C. Heenan, the
“Benicia Boy,” who had been defeated in America by Morrissey,
but had succeeded to the championship upon the latter’s
retirement. The English champion was a much smaller and
lighter man than his challenger, a fact which increased the
popular interest in the fight. Although the local English.
authorities endeavoured to prevent it taking place, Heenan
complaining that he had “been chased out of eight counties,”
the ring at Farnborough was surrounded by a company
containing representatives of the highest classes, and the
exaggerated statement was made that &quot;Parliament had been
emptied to patronize a prize-fight.” The battle lasted for 2&amp;nbsp;hours
and 20&amp;nbsp;minutes, during which Heenan, owing to his superiority
in weight and reach, seemed to have the advantage,
although nearly blinded by Sayers’s hard straight punches.
During one of the opening rounds a tendon in Sayers’s right
forearm was ruptured in guarding, and he fought the rest of
the battle with a pluck which roused the enthusiasm of
the spectators. Heenan had neglected to harden his hands
properly, with the result that they soon swelled to unnatural
proportions, rendering his blows no more effective than if he
had worn boxing-gloves. Nevertheless towards the close of the
fight Heenan repeatedly threw Sayers violently, and held him on
the ropes enclosing the ring, which, just as the police interfered,
were cut by persons who asserted that Heenan was on the point
of strangling Sayers. In spite of the indecisive outcome of the
battle both fighters claimed the victory, but the match was
officially adjudged a draw. This was the last great prize-fight
with bare fists on English soil, as public opinion was aroused,
and orders were given to the police thenceforth to regard prize-fights
as illegal, as tending to a “breach of the peace.” Several
surreptitious prize-fights did indeed occur within a. few years
after the Sayers-Heenan battle; but more than once, notably in
the fight between Heenan and Tom King, one of the participants
was “doctored,” ''i.e.'' drugged, and this lack of fairplay, added
to the brutality of fist-fights, gave the death-blow to pugilism
of the old kind. In its place came fighting and boxing with
padded gloves, small ones weighing about 4&amp;nbsp;oz. being used by
professionals, while amateurs, who boxed and sparred rather
than fought (see {{1911link|Boxing}}), made use of larger and softer
gloves.

An added impetus was given to boxing as well as pugilism
in 1866 by the founding of the “Amateur Athletic Club” by
John C.&amp;nbsp;Chambers, who, assisted by the marquess of Queensberry,
drew up the code of rules for competitions still in vogue and
called after that nobleman, who, in 1867, presented cups for
the amateur championships at the different weights. These
rules prohibit all rough and unfair fighting, as well as Wrestling,
and divide a match into rounds of three (or two) minutes each,
with half a minute rest between the rounds. It is a matter of
agreement in professional battles whether in “breaking away”
after a clinch blows may be struck or not. When a contestant
is knocked down (a man on one knee is technically down) he is
allowed ten seconds, usually counted aloud by the referee, in
which to rise and renew the fight. Should he be unable to do
so he is “counted out” and loses the match.
{{fine block|See ''Fistiana'' (London, 1868); ''American Fistiana'' (New York,
1876); Egan, ''Boxiana'' (London, 1818–1824); ''Fencing'', ''Boxing and'' 
''Wrestling'', in the Badminton Library (London, 1889); R.&amp;nbsp;G.&amp;nbsp;A.
Winn, ''Boxing'', Isthmian Library (London, 1897).}}

&lt;section end=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pugin, Augustus Welby Northmore&quot; /&gt;[[Author:Augustus Welby Northmore Pugin|'''PUGIN, AUGUSTUS WELBY NORTHMORE''']] (1812–1852),
English architect, son of Augustus Charles Pugin (1762–1832),
a Frenchman by birth who settled in London as an architectural
draughtsman and had several pupils who rose to fame, was born
in Store Street, Bedford Square, on the 1st of March 1812. After
an education at Christ’s Hospital he entered his father’s office,
where he displayed a remarkable talent for drawing. His
father was for many years engaged in preparing a large series
of works on the Gothic buildings of England, almost, if not
quite, the first illustrated with accurate drawings of medieval
buildings; and the son’s early youth was mostly occupied in
making minute measured drawings for these books. In this
way his enthusiasm for Gothic art was first aroused. All through
his life, both in England and during many visits to Germany
and France, he continued to make great numbers of drawings
and sketches, in pen and ink or with sepia monochrome, perfect
in their delicacy and precision of touch, and masterpieces
of skilful treatment of light and shade. At first he acted as
assistant in his father’s work, and his own independent efforts
to obtain business were not very successful. In 1827 he was
employed to design furniture in a medieval style for Windsor
Castle; and in 1831—the year he married his first wife, Ann
Garnett, who died in childbirth a year later—he designed
scenery for the new opera of ''Kenilworth'' at Her Majesty’s
theatre. But he got into money difficulties, and soon after his
marriage he was imprisoned for debt. When he came out he
again incurred serious losses over an attempt to start a shop for
supplying architectural accessories of his own designing, which
he had to give up. But after his second marriage in 1833 to
Louisa Burton (d.&amp;nbsp;1844), and his reception into the Roman
Catholic Church shortly afterwards, he began to obtain more
steady architectural practice and by degrees he acquired the
reputation which has made his name stand foremost among
those responsible for the English Gothic revival (see {{EB1911 article link|Architecture|Architecture#Modern}}:
''Modern'': “The Gothic Revival”). No man had
so thoroughly mastered the principles of the Gothic style in its
various stages, both in its leading lines and in the minutest
details of its mouldings and carved enrichments. In 1837–1843
he assisted Sir Charles Barry by working out the details of the
designs for the new Houses of Parliament at Westminster; and
though his exact share in the designs was subsequently the
subject of bitter controversy after both he and Barry were dead,
there is no doubt that, while he was working as Barry’s paid
clerk, a great deal in the excellence of the details was due to
him and to his training of the masons and carvers. His
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an architect mainly from Roman Catholics; and many of his
executed works suffered from the fact that his designs were not
fully carried out, owing to a desire to save money or to spend it so
as to make the greatest possible display. For this reason his
genius is often more fairly displayed by his drawings than by
the buildings themselves. In almost every case his design was
seriously injured, both by cutting down its carefully considered
proportions and by introducing shams (above all things hateful
to Pugin), such as plaster groining and even cast-iron carving.
The cathedral of St George at Southwark, and even the church
in Farm Street, Berkeley Square, London, are melancholy
instances of this. Thus his life was a series of disappointments;
no pecuniary success compensated him for the destruction
of his best designs, as in him the man of business was
thoroughly subordinate to the artist. He himself used to say
that the only church he had ever executed with unalloyed
satisfaction was the one at Ramsgate, which he not only designed
but paid for. Pugin was very broad in his love for the
medieval styles, but on the whole preferred what is really the
most suited to modern requirements, namely the Perpendicular
of the 15th century, and this he employed in its simpler
domestic form with much success both in his own house at
Ramsgate and in the stately Adare Hall in Ireland built for Lord
Dunraven. The cathedral of Killarney and the chapel of the
Benedictine monastery of Douai were perhaps the ecclesiastic
buildings which were carried out with least deviation from
Pugin’s original conception.

Apart from his work as an architect, his life presents little
of detail to record. In 1836 he published his ''Contrasts; or a''
''Parallel between the Architecture of the 15th and 19th centuries'',
in which he seriously criticized the architecture of Protestantism.
His other principal publications were ''True Principles of Christian''
''Architecture'' (1841); ''Glossary of Ecclesiastical Ornament'' (1844);
and ''Treatise on Chancel Screens and Rood Lofts'' (1851). He
was a skilful etcher, and illustrated in this way a number
of his works, which were written with much eloquence, great
antiquarian knowledge and considerable humour. This last
gift is exemplified in a series of etched plates in his ''Contrasts'';
on one side is some noble structure of the middle ages, and on
the other an example of the same building as erected in the 19th
century. In 1849 he married a third wife, daughter of Thomas
Knill. Early in 1852 he was attacked by insanity, and he died
on the 14th of September that year. His eldest son by his
second wife, Edward Welby Pugin (1834–1875), was also an
accomplished architect, who carried on his father’s work.

{{Fine block|See B. Ferrez, ''Recollections of A. W. Pugin and his Father'' (London,
1861).}}

&lt;section end=&quot;Pugin, Augustus Welby Northmore&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Puisne&quot; /&gt;'''PUISNE''' (from O. Fr. ''puisné'', modern ''puîné'', later born, inferior;
Lat. postea, afterwards, and natus, born), a term in law
meaning “inferior in rank.” It is pronounced “puny,” and
the word, so spelt, has become an ordinary adjective meaning
weak or undersized. The judges and barons of the common law
courts at Westminster, other than those having a distinct title,
were called ''puisne''. By the Supreme Court of Judicature Act
1877, a “puisne judge” is defined as a judge of the High Court
other than the lord chancellor, the lord chief justice of England,
the master of the rolls, the lord chief justice of the common pleas,
and the lord chief baron, and their successors respectively.

&lt;section end=&quot;Puisne&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pujah&quot; /&gt;'''PUJAH,''' or {{sc|Pooja}}, the Hindu ceremonies in idol-worship. Colloquially the word has come to be applied by Anglo-Indians
to any kind of rite; thus “pujah of the flag” is the sepoy term
for trooping of the colours.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pujah&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;'''PUKET''' (also known by the Chinese name ''Tongkah''), the first Siamese port on the west coast of the Malay Peninsula, situated on the eastern side of the island of Junk Ceylon (Malay, “Ujong Salang”) in 7°&amp;nbsp;50′&amp;nbsp;N. and 98°&amp;nbsp;24′&amp;nbsp;E. It is the headquarters of
the high commissioner of the Siamese administrative division
of the same name, and has a population of about 30,000, of which
more than a third is Chinese. Beneath the town and around
it lie deposits of tin ore which have been worked by Chinese
from ancient times, and the extraction of which still furnishes
occupation for the majority of the inhabitants. In 1907,
dredging for tin in the harbour was undertaken by a European
company. Puket has been a resort of European merchants
since the 16th century. During the ancient wars between Siam
and Burma it was more than once attacked by the latter, but
was relieved by forces from Nakhon Sri Tammarat (Ligore)
on the mainland. The Siamese mining department has a branch
at Puket under control of European officers.

&lt;section end=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulaski, Casimir&quot; /&gt;'''PULASKI, CASIMIR,''' {{small-caps|Count}} (1748–1779), Polish soldier,
was born in Podolia in 1748, and took a prominent share, under
his father Count Joseph Pulaski, in the formation of the
confederation of Bar and in the military operations which followed,
becoming ultimately commander-in-chief of the Polish patriot
forces. Driven into exile about 1772, Pulaski went to America
and joined the army of Washington in 1777. He distinguished
himself at once in the battle of Brandywine, was made a
brigadier-general and chief of cavalry by Congress, and fought
at Germantown, and in the battles of the winter 1777–78, after
which he raised a mixed corps called the Pulaski legion. At
the head of this force he won further distinction in the southern
theatre of war, and successfully defended Charleston in May
1779. He was mortally wounded soon afterwards at the
unsuccessful attack on Savannah (Oct. 9) and died two days
later on board ship. Congress voted a monument to his memory;
and though this vote has never been carried into execution,
Lafayette laid the corner-stone of a monument in Savannah in
1824, and this was completed in 1855.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pulaski, Casimir&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulci, Luigi&quot; /&gt;'''PULCI, LUIGI''' (1431–1487), Italian poet, was born at Florence,
of a well-connected family. His elder brother Luca (d.&amp;nbsp;1470)
was also a poet, author of ''Pistole'', ''Driadeo d'amore'', and
''Ciriffo Calvaneo''. Luigi was patronized by Cosimo, Piero, and
Lorenzo de’ Medici, and was the author of various works
in poetry and prose. He is famous, however, as the first to
bring artistic romance into Italian literature in his heroic poem
''Morgante Maggiore'' (Venice, 1481), an epic of a giant converted to
Christianity, who accompanies Orlando (Roland). (See {{EB1911 article link|Italian Literature}}.)


&lt;section end=&quot;Pulci, Luigi&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulgar, Hernando de&quot; /&gt;'''PULGAR, HERNANDO DE''' (1436–''c.'' 1492), Spanish prose-writer,
was born at Pulgar (near Toledo) in 1436 and was
educated at the court of John&amp;nbsp;II. Henry&amp;nbsp;IV. made him one of
his secretaries, and under Isabella he became councillor of state,
was charged with a mission to France, and in 1482 was appointed
historiographer-royal. He is said to have died in 1492. His
''Crónica de los Reyes Católicos'', wrongly ascribed in the first
edition (1565) to Antonio de Lebrija, is often inaccurate and
always obsequious; but the record is not without value as regards
events within the author’s personal experience. Pulgar’s
''Claros Varones de Castilla'' (1486), an account of celebrities
at the court of Henry&amp;nbsp;IV., is interesting in matter and style.
He compiled a commentary (1485?) on the ''Coplas de Mingo''
''Revulgo''. His ''Letters'', written to various persons of eminence,
were first published in 1485–1486.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pulgar, Hernando de&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s8&quot; /&gt;'''PULICAT,''' a town of British India, in Chingleput district, Madras, 25&amp;nbsp;m. N. of Madras city. Pop. (1901), 5448. The Dutch built a fort here as early as 1609, and it was for a long time their chief settlement on the Coromandel coast. Repeatedly captured, it did not finally become British until 1825. It gives
its name to the Pulicat lake, a shallow lagoon stretching for
about 37&amp;nbsp;m. along the coast. The seaward side is formed by the
island of Sriharikot, which supplies firewood to Madras city. 

&lt;section end=&quot;s8&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s9&quot; /&gt;'''PULKOVO,''' or {{sc|Pulkowa}}, a village of Russia, in the government of St Petersburg, 10&amp;nbsp;m. S. of the city of St&amp;nbsp;Petersburg.
Pop. 2000. It contains the Pulkovo observatory, on a hill
248 ft. high, in 59°&amp;nbsp;46′&amp;nbsp;18″&amp;nbsp;N. and 30°&amp;nbsp;19′&amp;nbsp;40″&amp;nbsp;E. It was built
in 1833–1839.

&lt;section end=&quot;s9&quot; /&gt;
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or similar connector serves for the transmission of power from the one shaft to the other and is known as a driving pulley; &lt;section end=&quot;s10&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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an architect mainly from Roman Catholics; and many of his
executed works suffered from the fact that his designs were not
fully carried out, owing to a desire to save money or to spend it so
as to make the greatest possible display. For this reason his
genius is often more fairly displayed by his drawings than by
the buildings themselves. In almost every case his design was
seriously injured, both by cutting down its carefully considered
proportions and by introducing shams (above all things hateful
to Pugin), such as plaster groining and even cast-iron carving.
The cathedral of St George at Southwark, and even the church
in Farm Street, Berkeley Square, London, are melancholy
instances of this. Thus his life was a series of disappointments;
no pecuniary success compensated him for the destruction
of his best designs, as in him the man of business was
thoroughly subordinate to the artist. He himself used to say
that the only church he had ever executed with unalloyed
satisfaction was the one at Ramsgate, which he not only designed
but paid for. Pugin was very broad in his love for the
medieval styles, but on the whole preferred what is really the
most suited to modern requirements, namely the Perpendicular
of the 15th century, and this he employed in its simpler
domestic form with much success both in his own house at
Ramsgate and in the stately Adare Hall in Ireland built for Lord
Dunraven. The cathedral of Killarney and the chapel of the
Benedictine monastery of Douai were perhaps the ecclesiastic
buildings which were carried out with least deviation from
Pugin’s original conception.

Apart from his work as an architect, his life presents little
of detail to record. In 1836 he published his ''Contrasts; or a'' 
''Parallel between the Architecture of the 15th and 19th centuries'',
in which he seriously criticized the architecture of Protestantism.
His other principal publications were ''True Principles of Christian'' 
''Architecture'' (1841); ''Glossary of Ecclesiastical Ornament'' (1844);
and ''Treatise on Chancel Screens and Rood Lofts'' (1851). He
was a skilful etcher, and illustrated in this way a number
of his works, which were written with much eloquence, great
antiquarian knowledge and considerable humour. This last
gift is exemplified in a series of etched plates in his ''Contrasts'';
on one side is some noble structure of the middle ages, and on
the other an example of the same building as erected in the 19th
century. In 1849 he married a third wife, daughter of Thomas
Knill. Early in 1852 he was attacked by insanity, and he died
on the 14th of September that year. His eldest son by his
second wife, Edward Welby Pugin (1834–1875), was also an
accomplished architect, who carried on his father’s work.

{{Fine block|See B. Ferrez, ''Recollections of A. W. Pugin and his Father'' (London,
1861).}}

&lt;section end=&quot;Pugin, Augustus Welby Northmore&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Puisne&quot; /&gt;'''PUISNE''' (from O. Fr. ''puisné'', modern ''puîné'', later born, inferior;
Lat. ''postea'', afterwards, and ''natus'', born), a term in law
meaning “inferior in rank.” It is pronounced “puny,” and
the word, so spelt, has become an ordinary adjective meaning
weak or undersized. The judges and barons of the common law
courts at Westminster, other than those having a distinct title,
were called ''puisne''. By the Supreme Court of Judicature Act
1877, a “puisne judge” is defined as a judge of the High Court
other than the lord chancellor, the lord chief justice of England,
the master of the rolls, the lord chief justice of the common pleas,
and the lord chief baron, and their successors respectively.

&lt;section end=&quot;Puisne&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pujah&quot; /&gt;'''PUJAH,''' or {{sc|Pooja}}, the Hindu ceremonies in idol-worship.
Colloquially the word has come to be applied by Anglo-Indians
to any kind of rite; thus “pujah of the flag” is the sepoy term
for trooping of the colours.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pujah&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;'''PUKET''' (also known by the Chinese name ''Tongkah''), the first
Siamese port on the west coast of the Malay Peninsula, situated
on the eastern side of the island of Junk Ceylon (Malay, “Ujong
Salang”) in 7°&amp;nbsp;50′&amp;nbsp;N. and 98°&amp;nbsp;24′&amp;nbsp;E. It is the headquarters of
the high commissioner of the Siamese administrative division
of the same name, and has a population of about 30,000, of which
more than a third is Chinese. Beneath the town and around
it lie deposits of tin ore which have been worked by Chinese
from ancient times, and the extraction of which still furnishes
occupation for the majority of the inhabitants. In 1907,
dredging for tin in the harbour was undertaken by a European
company. Puket has been a resort of European merchants
since the 16th century. During the ancient wars between Siam
and Burma it was more than once attacked by the latter, but
was relieved by forces from Nakhon Sri Tammarat (Ligore)
on the mainland. The Siamese mining department has a branch
at Puket under control of European officers.

&lt;section end=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulaski, Casimir&quot; /&gt;'''PULASKI, CASIMIR,''' {{small-caps|Count}} (1748–1779), Polish soldier,
was born in Podolia in 1748, and took a prominent share, under
his father Count Joseph Pulaski, in the formation of the
confederation of Bar and in the military operations which followed,
becoming ultimately commander-in-chief of the Polish patriot
forces. Driven into exile about 1772, Pulaski went to America
and joined the army of Washington in 1777. He distinguished
himself at once in the battle of Brandywine, was made a
brigadier-general and chief of cavalry by Congress, and fought
at Germantown, and in the battles of the winter 1777–78, after
which he raised a mixed corps called the Pulaski legion. At
the head of this force he won further distinction in the southern
theatre of war, and successfully defended Charleston in May
1779. He was mortally wounded soon afterwards at the
unsuccessful attack on Savannah (Oct.&amp;nbsp;9) and died two days
later on board ship. Congress voted a monument to his memory;
and though this vote has never been carried into execution,
Lafayette laid the corner-stone of a monument in Savannah in
1824, and this was completed in 1855.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pulaski, Casimir&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulci, Luigi&quot; /&gt;'''PULCI, LUIGI''' (1431–1487), Italian poet, was born at Florence,
of a well-connected family. His elder brother Luca (d.&amp;nbsp;1470)
was also a poet, author of ''Pistole'', ''Driadeo d’amore'', and
''Ciriffo Calvaneo''. Luigi was patronized by Cosimo, Piero, and
Lorenzo de’ Medici, and was the author of various works
in poetry and prose. He is famous, however, as the first to
bring artistic romance into Italian literature in his heroic poem
''Morgante Maggiore'' (Venice, 1481), an epic of a giant converted to
Christianity, who accompanies Orlando (Roland). (See {{EB1911 article link|Italian Literature}}.)

&lt;section end=&quot;Pulci, Luigi&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pulgar, Hernando de&quot; /&gt;'''PULGAR, HERNANDO DE''' (1436–''c.'' 1492), Spanish prose-writer,
was born at Pulgar (near Toledo) in 1436 and was
educated at the court of John&amp;nbsp;II. Henry&amp;nbsp;IV. made him one of
his secretaries, and under Isabella he became councillor of state,
was charged with a mission to France, and in 1482 was appointed
historiographer-royal. He is said to have died in 1492. His
''Crónica de los Reyes Católicos'', wrongly ascribed in the first
edition (1565) to Antonio de Lebrija, is often inaccurate and
always obsequious; but the record is not without value as regards
events within the author’s personal experience. Pulgar’s
''Claros Varones de Castilla'' (1486), an account of celebrities
at the court of Henry&amp;nbsp;IV., is interesting in matter and style.
He compiled a commentary (1485?) on the ''Coplas de Mingo'' 
''Revulgo''. His ''Letters'', written to various persons of eminence,
were first published in 1485–1486.

&lt;section end=&quot;Pulgar, Hernando de&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s8&quot; /&gt;'''PULICAT,''' a town of British India, in Chingleput district,
Madras, 25&amp;nbsp;m. N. of Madras city. Pop. (1901), 5448. The Dutch
built a fort here as early as 1609, and it was for a long
time their chief settlement on the Coromandel coast. Repeatedly
captured, it did not finally become British until 1825. It gives
its name to the Pulicat lake, a shallow lagoon stretching for
about 37&amp;nbsp;m. along the coast. The seaward side is formed by the
island of Sriharikot, which supplies firewood to Madras city. 

&lt;section end=&quot;s8&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s9&quot; /&gt;'''PULKOVO,''' or {{sc|Pulkowa}}, a village of Russia, in the government of St Petersburg, 10&amp;nbsp;m. S. of the city of St&amp;nbsp;Petersburg.
Pop. 2000. It contains the Pulkovo observatory, on a hill
248 ft. high, in 59°&amp;nbsp;46′&amp;nbsp;18″&amp;nbsp;N. and 30°&amp;nbsp;19′&amp;nbsp;40″&amp;nbsp;E. It was built
in 1833–1839.

&lt;section end=&quot;s9&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;s10&quot; /&gt;'''PULLEY,''' a wheel, either fixed to a turning axle or carried freely on a stationary one, the periphery of which is adapted to receive some form of wrapping connector. A pulley carried on a rotating shaft and connected to another pulley on a second shaft by an endless band consisting of a flat belt, rope, chain
or similar connector serves for the transmission of power from the one shaft to the other and is known as a driving pulley; &lt;section end=&quot;s10&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="8766" sha1="6cmfuq6am509ptlfo40pxor4adrbczb" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;DivermanAU&quot; /&gt;{{EB1911 Page Heading|  |PULLEY||641}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;while combinations of pulleys or “sheaves,” mounted in fixed or movable frames or “blocks,” constitute mechanisms used to facilitate the raising of heavy weights. The word appears in Mid. Eng. as ''pulley'' or ''polley'' (late), also as ''poleyne'' (''Prompt. Parvul''). The first forms seem to be from the O.&amp;nbsp;Fr. ''poulie'', which itself is regarded as coming from the O.&amp;nbsp;Eng. ''pullèan'', to pull. The Low Lat. forms ''polea'', ''polegia'', whence Span. ''polea'' and Ital. ''poleggia'', are apparently from the Fr. ''poulie''. The earliest form, ''poleyne'', is represented in Fr. by ''poulain'', literally a colt, Low Lat. ''pullanus'', ''pullus'', the young of any animal, the root of which is seen in English “foal.” ''Poulain'' was used of a rope to let casks down into a cellar or to raise heavy weights. The use of the name of an animal for a mechanical device is not uncommon, cf. “crane,” or “easel,” from Du. ''exel'', literally “little ass.”

''Driving pulleys'' are usually constructed of cast iron, and are of circular form, having a central nave by which they are secured to the shaft by keys or other fastenings, and straight or curved arms connecting the nave to the rim, which latter is of a form adapted to the connector. Pulleys are usually cast in one piece, and the proportions of the various parts are designed to resist the unknown stresses due to contraction of the casting in cooling, in addition to the stresses to which pulleys are subjected in use. The rim is slightly wider than the belt, and is of such a section as will suffice to resist the stress due to the pull of the belt, which is commonly taken as {{lb-|80}} per inch of width for single belting and {{lb-|140}} per inch of width for double belting. The rim is also subject to a centrifugal tension of amount ''wv''{{sup|2}}/''g''&amp;nbsp;pounds per square inch of section, where ''w'' is the weight in pounds of a length of one foot of the pulley rim one square inch in section, and ''v'' is the velocity of the rim in feet per second. This stress amounts to {{lb-|1043}} per square inch, if the velocity is 100&amp;nbsp;ft. per second. The combination of these stresses generally limits the rim velocity of cast-iron pulleys to 80 or 100&amp;nbsp;ft. per second. The dimensions of the nave depend to a large extent on the method of keying or otherwise securing the pulley to the shaft. The number of the arms is arbitrary, and they may be curved to diminish the liability to fracture from contraction in the cooling of the cast iron, but in other respects are preferably straight, since they are then lighter and stronger. The arms are elliptical in cross-section, diminishing from the nave to the rim, and are usually designed as equally loaded cantilevers, fixed at the nave and free at the rim. These assumptions are probably not nearly correct, and, as the stresses caused by the cooling of the casting are unknown, it is necessary to choose a low working stress of about one ton per square inch. The statical experiments of C.&amp;nbsp;H. Benjamin (''American Machinist'', 1898) on cast-iron pulleys loaded by a belt to imitate the conditions in practice led him to the conclusion that the rim is usually not sufficiently rigid to load the arms equally, and that the ends of the arms are subjected to bending movements of opposite sign, that at the nave being almost invariably the greater.

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Pulleys are also built up of wrought iron and steel, and can then be constructed entirely free from internal stress; they are thus much lighter and stronger, and are not liable to fly to pieces like cast iron if they break. Fig.&amp;nbsp;1 shows a built-up pulley having a cast-iron nave A, straight wrought-iron arms B, screwed therein and connected to a steel plate-rim C by riveted ends, and also by screwed flanges D riveted on each side to the rim. The pulley is in halves to facilitate fixing, and when in place the sections C are joined by plates E, bolted or riveted to the rim. The two halves of the nave are secured by bolts or rivets passing through the flanges F, and the pulley is connected to the
shaft by a sunk key or by conical keys driven in between the shaft and the boss, which latter is bored to suit. A modified form of this arrangement of cone keys is shown in the figure, in which a screwed conical bush M, divided into several parts longitudinally, is clamped round the shaft, and screwed into the corresponding part of the nave until the grip is sufficient. The parts of the bush are glued to a sheet of emery paper, so that its rough side may give a better grip on the shaft.

Pulleys are also made of paper, wood and other materials. Wooden pulleys are preferably made of maple, the rim being formed of small sections morticed, pinned and glued together, with the grain set in such directions that any warping of the material will leave the cylindrical form practically unaltered. Wooden pulleys are generally made in two halves, bolted together at the rim and nave, and are provided with wooden spokes dovetailed into the rim and secured by keys. The pulley is secured to the shaft by conical keys, to give a frictional grip on both the shaft and the pulley; these keys may have their exterior surfaces eccentric to the shaft, with corresponding recesses in the nave, so that the pulley and keys virtually form one piece.

If the centre of gravity of a pulley is on the axis of rotation, and the whole mass is distributed so that the axis of inertia coincides with the axis of rotation, there can be no unbalanced force or unbalanced couple as the pulley revolves. The magnitude of the unbalanced force, for a mass of ''w'' pounds at a radius of ''r'' feet and a velocity of ''v'' feet per second, is expressed by {{lb-|''wv''&amp;#8202;{{sup|2}}/''gr''}}; and, since the force varies as the square of the velocity, it is necessary carefully to balance a pulley running at a high speed to prevent injurious vibrations. This can be accomplished by attaching balance-weights to the pulley until it will remain stationary in all positions, when its shaft rests on two horizontal knife-edges in the same horizontal plane, or, preferably, the pulley and shaft may be supported on bearings resting on springs, and balanced by attached masses until there is no perceptible vibration of the springs at the highest speed of rotation.

The rims of pulleys, round which flat bands are wrapped, may be truly cylindrical, in which case the belt will run indifferently at any part of the pulley, or the rim may be swelled towards the centre, when the central line of the band will tend to run in the diametral plane of the pulley. This self-guiding property may be explained by the tendency which a flat band has, when running upon a conical pulley in a direction normal to its axis, to describe a spiral path as it wraps on to the surface because of the lateral stiffness of the material; the advancing side therefore tends to rise towards the highest part of the cone. If two cones are placed back to back the belt tends to rise to the ridge and stay there. In practice the pulley rim is curved to a radius of from three to five times its breadth, and this not only guides the belt, but allows the line of direction of the advancing side to deviate to a small extent, depending on the elasticity of the material.

Parallel shafts may be driven by flexible bands or connectors passing over pulleys, the central planes of which coincide, without any guiding arrangements for the belting. The shafts revolve in the same or opposite directions, according as the belt is open or crossed. Means of changing the relative speeds of rotation are furnished by pulleys of continuously varying diameter, or by speed cones (see {{1911link|Mechanics|Mechanics/Applied}}: ''Applied''). A common arrangement for driving a lathe spindle, in either direction at several definite speeds, is to provide a counter-shaft on which are mounted two fixed pulleys and two loose pulleys to accommodate two driving belts from the main shaft, one of which is open and the other crossed. The belts are moved laterally by the forks of a striking gear pressing on the advancing sides of the belts, and the pulleys are arranged so that the belts either wrap round the loose pulleys, or can be shifted so that one wraps round a fixed pulley, while the other still remains on its loose pulley. Motion in either direction is thereby obtained, and a considerable variation in the speed of rotation can be obtained by providing a cone pulley on the counter-shaft, which drives the cone pulley secured to the lathe&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="8891" sha1="ohr1tf4pm5ancq7101cnfznlhfjw9cn" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;Slowking4&quot; /&gt;{{rh|{{x-larger|642}}|{{x-larger|PULLEY}}|{{x-larger| }}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;spindle by a separate band. The dimensions of the pulleys are generally so arranged that the return motion of the lathe spindle is faster than the forward motion. An alternative arrangement consists in providing two loose pulleys on the counter-shaft, driven by open and crossed belts respectively, and arranging two clutches on the shaft, so that by the movement of a sliding block, controlled by hand, one or other of the clutches can be put in gear.

The proportions of cone pulleys for open or crossed belts may be determined by considering the expression for the half length (𝑙) of a belt wrapping round pulleys of radius 𝑟{{sub|1}} and 𝑟{{sub|2}} respectively, and with centres distant c apart. The value of 𝑙 may be easily
shown to be (𝑟{{sub|1}}+𝑟{{sub|2}}){{Greek|π}}/2+(𝑟{{sub|1}}±𝑟{{sub|2}}){{Greek|α}}+c cos {{Greek|α}}, where the positive sign is to be taken for a crossed belt and the negative sign for an open belt. In determining the dimensions of corresponding drums of) cone pulleys it is evident that for a crossed belt the sum of the radii of each pair remains a constant, since the angle {{Greek|α}} is constant, while for an open belt {{Greek|α}} is variable and the values of the radii are then obtained by solving the equations

{{center|𝑟{{sub|1}}＝𝑙/{{Greek|π}} − 𝑐({{Greek|α}} sin {{Greek|α}} + cos {{Greek|α}}) + {{EB1911 tfrac|2}}𝑐 sin {{Greek|α}},

𝑟{{sub|2}}＝𝑙/{{Greek|π}} − 𝑐({{Greek|α}} sin {{Greek|α}} + cos {{Greek|α}}) − {{EB1911 tfrac|2}}𝑐 sin {{Greek|α}}.}}

The value of {{Greek|α}} is in general small, and an approximate solution may be obtained by substituting two or three terms of the expansions for sin {{Greek|α}} and cos {{Greek|α}}. This, however, leads to a troublesome numerical solution. An accurate geometrical solution by C.&amp;nbsp;Culmann gives
the linear equivalents of the above equations in the following manner.

[[File:EB1911 - Pulley - Fig 2.png|center|300px|Fig. 2.]]
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A rectangle ABCD (fig. 2), with side AB＝{{Greek|π}} ''c''/2 and AD＝''c'', is constructed, and the quadrant AEF is drawn with centre D and radius DA. F&amp;nbsp;B is the evolute of this circle, and for any radius DE at an angle a and corresponding tangent EG terminated by the evolute, the perpendicular distance of G from the line AD is c(cos {{Greek|α}}+{{Greek|α}} sin {{Greek|α}}). If now a line be drawn from A to the bisector H of the side BC, it will meet the vertical through G in
I and IJ＝''c''(cos {{Greek|α}}+{{Greek|α}} sin {{Greek|α}})/{{Greek|π}}. A circular arc, centre D and radius ''c''/2, meets D E in K, and the perpendicular KL gives {{EB1911 tfrac|2}}𝑐 sin {{Greek|α}}. This distance is marked off from the point I in each direction. whereby the points M and N are obtained, the distance apart of which represents the value 𝑟{{sub|1}}−𝑟{{sub|2}}. If now the value 𝑙/{{Greek|π}}＝OJ
be marked off, and a horizontal line be drawn through the point O, the line OM represents 𝑟{{sub|1}}+𝑟{{sub|2}}. Repeating this construction for all values of {{Greek|α}} between 0° and 90°, we obtain a curve BPC, which can be used for determining the ratios of corresponding drums of cone pulleys or of conical drums for open belts. The curve BPC is generally used with the abscissae spaced more conveniently for practical applications, and a modification of the diagram by J.&amp;nbsp;F. Klein (''Journ. Franklin Inst.'', vol.&amp;nbsp;lxxix.) is often used instead.,

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When pulleys are mounted on shafts which are parallel to one another, the band will retain its position, provided that its central line advances towards each pulley in the diametral plane of this latter. This condition is fulfilled in the example shown by fig.&amp;nbsp;3, in which the central planes of each pulley pass through the points of delivery of the other pulley for the given direction of motion. If the motion is reversed the condition is no longer satisfied and the belt will leave the pulleys. In more complicated cases guide pulleys must be used. In the most general case for inclined pulleys, any two points may be chosen on the line of intersection of the diametral planes, and tangents drawn to the pitch circles of the pulleys. Guide pulleys are set with their diametral planes in the planes containing corresponding pairs of tangents, and a continuous belt wrapped round these pulleys in due order can then be run in either direction.

The rims of pulleys for hemp or other ropes or cords are grooved, and the sides are usually either inclined at 45° or curved to give a sharper angle at the outside than at the bottom of the groove; in the latter case, as the rope wears it engages in a groove of greater angle and less effective grip. Wire ropes are injured by the lateral crushing of the material, and in this case the grooves are wide enough to allow the rope to rest on the rounded bottom, which is lined with leather or wood to diminish the wear and increase the friction. In English practice there are as many separate endless ropes as there are pairs of grooves in the two pulleys to be connected, but in cases of American practice the rope is continuously wound round the two pulleys, and the free end passes over a pulley mounted on a movable weighted carriage to adjust the tension. It is of considerable importance that the effective radius of action of the rope remain constant throughout each pulley, otherwise the wear on the rope becomes very great and its life is diminished. The grooves must be turned exactly alike, and the rope must be of the same diameter throughout to diminish slip.

Pulleys may be detachably connected to a shaft by friction clutches, so that they may be thrown in and out of engagement at will. The section, fig. 4, shows a clutch for a rope-driven pulley A, which runs freely on a bush A B on the shaft, and is provided C with an enlarged cylindrical
nave or clutch box C. A split
ring D, carried by the clutch
and turning with it, can be
thrust against the clutch box
by right- and left-handed screws
E, so that a sufficient grip is
obtained to cause the clutch and
the pulley to turn as one piece.
The engagement of the pulley
and clutch is determined by a
hand-controlled block F sliding
on the shaft, the movement of which is communicated to the right- and left-handed screw shafts by links G connected to the levers H.

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by considering the equilibrium of a small arc of the pulley surface
subtending an angle ''d''{{Greek|θ}} at the centre, and having tensions T and
T+''d''T at its extremities. Neglecting quantities of the second
order, the pressure on the pulley is T''d''{{Greek|θ}}, and the friction is {{Greek|μ}}T''d''{{Greek|θ}}
where {{Greek|μ}} is the coefficient of friction between the belt and the pulley.
We have therefore ''d''T＝{{Greek|μ}}T''d''{{Greek|θ}} and ''d''T/T＝{{Greek|μ}}''d''{{Greek|θ}}. Integrating the
expression for an angle of wrapping {{Greek|θ}}, we obtain the relation
log {{Greek|ε}} T{{sub|1}}/T{{sub|2}}＝{{Greek|μθ}}, where T{{sub|1}} and T{{sub|2}} are the end tensions. For leather belts on cast-iron pulleys the value of n may be taken as 0·4, giving a ratio of the tensions on the tight and slack sides of T{{sub|1}}/T{{sub|2}}＝3·514, when the angle of wrapping is. 180°. For ropes in the grooves of cast-iron pulleys, where ¢ is the inclination of the sides of the grooves, the value of the normal pressure is increased in the ratio of cosec {{EB1911 tfrac|2}}{{Greek|φ}}＝1. A usual value of μ for hemp ropes on cast-iron pulleys is
0·3, and the exponential log ratio is therefore 0·3{{Greek|π}} cosec {{EB1911 tfrac|2}}{{Greek|φ}} when {{Greek|θ}}＝{{Greek|π}}. At high speeds the centrifugal tension of the belt or rope, of amount ''wv''{{sup|2}}/''g'', may be considerable, and must be subtracted from the end tensions.}}

''Pulley Blocks''.—Frames or blocks containing pulleys or sheaves are used in combination for lifting heavy weights. There are usually two blocks, of which one A (fig.&amp;nbsp;5) is fixed, and the other B is movable, and a rope or chain, with one end secured to one of the blocks at C, passes round the sheaves in a continuous coil, leaving a free end D at which the effort is applied. In the arrangement shown there are three equal sheaves in each block, and each set turns on a pin secured in the framing. The load, supported by the lower hook, is raised by hauling on the free end and, neglecting any slight Obliquity of the plies of rope, the free end moves six times as fast&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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: Do not use raw html markup. Use templates where possible. Templates can be updated later to work better. The voluntary and co-operative nature of Wikipedia has led to some inconsistencies and odd work-abouts. Use templates that are available and within their current capacity. Ask for advice of the current best practice, make your opinion known at the [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]] by all means, add to the history of discontent and over time this should hopefully improve… Generally the Wikisource way is to not have many set rules to allow for development of skills and processes so just do your best. 

: See the [[Wikisource:Style guide|Wikisource Style Guide]] for more.
* Italics, bold etc. are not generally templated and have their own ways. This is transferred from Wikipedia. See [[../Proofreader’s_Guide#Italics_and_Bold|Italics_and_Bold]]
*We close text at validation to improve efficiency of files. See [[../Project_guideline#Transclusion|Transclusion]]


Wikisource is a great way to become familiar with creating and editing wiki pages as the content is provided. A good way to get a hang of how to create a wiki page is to work on your own User page. Tutorial [[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/User page|here]]. 

If you join in a current work ([[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month|Proofread of the Month]], [[:Category:Index_Proofread|List of Proofread books on WS]]), you can get feedback as you learn.

[[Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_finishing_touches#Categories|Categories to check for something that interests you]], also [[:Category:Portals|Portals]]

==Summary Guidelines==
The [[User:Zoeannl/Project_guideline/Proofreader’s_Guide/Proofreading Summary|Proofreading Summary]] is a short document that summarizes the main points of these Guidelines and gives examples of how to proofread. 

Beginning proofreaders are encouraged to print out this document and keep it handy while proofreading. Use the Print book link on the left side bar. You can choose to print as a PDF to get an electronic copy. To may need to download and install a .pdf reader. You can get one free from Adobe® [https://acrobat.adobe.com/n/acrobat/pdf-reader.html here]

==About This Document==

This document is written to explain the proofreading rules we use to maintain consistency when proofreading a single book. This helps us all do proofreading the same way, which in turn makes it easier for the transcluder, and any subsequent editors who will work on this e-book.

Always check the Index page Discussion for notes on variations from this guide. If the book has a Project Manager shepherding the book through its production, they may specify how they wish the book to proceed. Please respect their involvement and follow their instructions. {{tl|ping}} the Project Manager if you have any queries or suggestions. If the Project Manager seems absent, ask for support at the [[Scriptorium]].

If there is no Project Manager, and there are issues not covered by this guide, ask for support at the [[Scriptorium]].

If there are any items missing, or items that you consider should be done differently, or if something is vague, please let us know. Talk to us at the [[Wikisource:Scriptorium|Scriptorium]]. 

If you come across an unfamiliar term in these guidelines, see the [[Wiki jargon]] guide. 

When examples of templates are given, n indicates any number; x any letter; {{tl|Lorem ipsum}} any text. These are prompts to put your number/letter/text &quot;here&quot;. Using the pulldown menu on the tool bar to insert templates is recommended.

[[w:Help:Wiki markup]]

==Project Discussion==

When you select a project for proofreading, you start at the Index page. On this page there is a tab called &quot;Discussion&quot; containing information specific to that project (book). Read these before you start proofreading pages! If the Project Manager wants you to do something in this book differently from the way specified in these Guidelines, that will be noted here. Instructions in the Discussion page override the rules in these Guidelines, so follow them. Finally, this is also where the Project Manager may give you interesting tidbits of information about the author or the project. That is the place to ask (using {{tl|ping}}) questions about this book, inform the Project Manager about problems, etc. This page is also often used by proofreaders to alert other proofreaders to recurring issues within the project and how they can best be addressed. 

On the Index page, the status of pages is displayed. You can not validate pages which you have proofread. If two people work on the same page at the same time then a conflict arises on submission.

Making a note on a page: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;!-- check: --&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

==Page headers==
These are proofread into the &quot;header&quot; space. These are not transcluded into the final book but are done to remain true to the original work. 

Commonly page number book title; chapter title and page number, alternating pages. They are easiest inserted when pages are created: add to the Header box on the Index page Edit form as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rvh|pagenumber|text for recto pages|text for verso pages}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. 


e.g. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rvh|pagenumber|{{smaller|&quot;LOST IN THE NIGHT&quot;}}|{{smaller|IDALIA}} }}&lt;/nowiki&gt;


{{tl|rvh}}

==Proofreading at the Character Level:==
===[[/Font style|Font style]]===
* [[w:Mathematical_Alphanumeric_Symbols]]

====Italics and Bold==== 

&lt;nowiki&gt;For font emphasis, use ''double apostrophes'' for italic and '''three apostrophes''' for '''bold'''&lt;/nowiki&gt;
 For font emphasis, use ''double apostrophes'' for italic and '''three apostrophes''' for '''bold'''
&lt;nowiki&gt;You can even do '''''bold''' within italic'' or '''bold with ''italic'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt;
 You can even do '''''bold''' within italic'' or '''bold with ''italic''''' 
This markup only applies within a text line and the OCR will automatically put a hard return at the end of each line. So if the text you want to format spans two lines, you will need to delete the hard return. 

&lt;nowiki&gt;''This is one line (OCR puts a hard return here) 

and this is the next.''&lt;/nowiki&gt;

 ''This is one line (OCR puts a hard return here) 
 and this is the next.'' 

Delete hard return:

&lt;nowiki&gt;''This is one line and this is the next.''&lt;/nowiki&gt;

 ''This is one line (hard return deleted from here) and this is the next.'' 
{{dhr}} 

Italicized poetry will need each line italicized separately.

It is considered good form to italicize words or phrases individually, i.e. around punctuation. E.g.By ''Carl Marx''. &lt;nowiki&gt;By ''Carl Marx''.&lt;/nowiki&gt;; ''Cf.'' ''Darwin''. &lt;nowiki&gt;''Cf.'' ''Darwin''&lt;/nowiki&gt;;  In a list: ''Apples'', ''bananas'' and ''peaches''. &lt;nowiki&gt;''Apples'', ''bananas'' and ''peaches''.&lt;/nowiki&gt; Where a whole sentence is italicized, the period is included. However, watch for italicized punctuation especially ''''':''''' and ''''';''''': here we respect the original.

Many typefaces found in older books used the same design for numbers in both regular text and italics or bold. For dates and similar phrases, format the entire phrase with one set of markup, rather than marking the words as italics (or bold) and not the numbers.

{{tl|italic block}}
{{tl|lighter}}, {{tl|bolder}}

====Italicized single quotes====
To italicize 'this', enclose single quotes in curly brackets i.e. &lt;nowiki&gt;''{{'}}this{{'}}''&lt;/nowiki&gt; to get ''{{'}}this{{'}}''

====Italicized links====

The italics markup must be outside the link markup, or the link will not work; however, internal italicization can be used in [[w:Wikipedia:Piped link|piped links]].

: ''Incorrect'': &lt;nowiki&gt;He died with [[''Turandot'']] still unfinished.&lt;/nowiki&gt;
: ''Correct'': &lt;nowiki&gt;He died with ''[[Turandot]]'' still unfinished.&lt;/nowiki&gt;
 He died with ''[[Turandot]]'' still unfinished.
: ''Correct'': &lt;nowiki&gt;The [[USS Adder (SS-3)|USS ''Adder'' (SS-3)]] was a submarine.&lt;/nowiki&gt;
 The [[USS Adder (SS-3)|USS ''Adder'' (SS-3)]] was a submarine.

====Italicized {{tl|hws}} and {{tl|hwe}}====

Italicize the parts and whole words within the template.

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws|''begin''|''beginning''}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{hwe|''ning''|''beginning''}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

:{{hws|''begin''|''beginning''}}
:{{hwe|''ning''|''beginning''}}

====Underline====
&lt;nowiki&gt;{{underline|Emphasised}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{underline|Emphasised}}

====[[Template:Overline|Overline]]====
&lt;nowiki&gt;{{overline|Obscure maths}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{overline|Obscure maths}}

====Strikethrough====
{{tl|strike}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{strike|strike through}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{strike|strike through}}

====Gothic Type====

Note:
&lt;nowiki&gt;{{blackletter|New York}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
 {{blackletter|New York}}

====Cursive====
{{cursive|signed}}


&lt;nowiki&gt;{{cursive|signed}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

====Roman====
{{roman|499}}

====Serif====
{{tl|serif}}

{{serif|serif}}

====Sans-serif====
{{tl|sans-serif}}

{{sans-serif|sans-serif}}

====Fantasy====

{{tl|fantasy}}

{{fantasy|fantasy}}

====Typewritten====
{{tl|Teletype}}
{{Teletype|an ASR-33 Teletype}}

{{tl|Monospace}}
{{Monospace|monospaced}}

{{tl|Mono}}
{{Mono|monospaced}}

{{tl|TT}}
{{TT|typewritten}}

===={{sp|Spaced Out}} Text (gesperrt)====

{{sp|Spaced Out}}

&lt;pre&gt;{{sp|Spaced Out}}&lt;/pre&gt;

Format  {{sp|spaced out}}  text with the {{tl|sp}} template.  Remove the extra spaces between letters in each word. This was a typesetting technique used for emphasis in some older books, especially in German.

====Coloured Text====
Text can be colored using the {{tl|greyed}} and {{tl|red}} templates. Red text was often used as a highlight in older works, especially on the title page.  Greyed text can be used to indicate (important) text that has been written or typed onto the original document.

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{greyed|grey text}}, {{red|red text}}, {{green|green text}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

 {{greyed|grey text}}, {{red|red text}}, {{green|green text}}

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Non-Keyboard Characters|Non-Keyboard Characters]]===

Please proofread these using the proper symbols or accented characters to match the image, where possible, including the use or non-use of accents. Non-keyboard characters can be found on your pull-down menu, see [[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Inserting Special Characters|Inserting Special Characters]] for information on how to input these characters during proofreading. There is also a Gadget Editing tool for keyboard shortcuts under Preferences (tab at top right of this page, if you are logged in). 

Characters can be cut and pasted from character lists. See [[b:Unicode/List_of_useful_symbols|Unicode/List_of_useful_symbols]], [[w:Wikipedia:Mathematical_symbols]], [[w:Punctuation|right menu lists punctuation]], [[w:List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references]], [http://www.w3schools.com/charsets/ref_utf_punctuation.asp punctuation], [[w:Unicode_symbols]] [http://www.xe.com/symbols.php currency symbols], [[w:Mathematical_operators_and_symbols_in_Unicode]]

[[w:Typographic_ligature#Ligatures_in_Unicode_(Latin_alphabets)]]  
Latin ligatures
See the Basic Latin block starting at 0020
FB00 ff LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FF
≈  f   f
FB01 fi LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FI
≈  f   i
FB02 fl LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FL
≈  f   l
FB03 ffi LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FFI
≈  f   f   i
FB04 ffl LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FFL
≈  f   f   l
FB05 ſt LATIN SMALL LIGATURE LONG S T
≈  ſ   t
FB06 st LATIN SMALL LIGATURE ST
≈  s   t
ﬀ

Templates are available for 

{{s}}, {{s|2}}, {{ss|1}} {{ss}}, {{ss|2}}, {{ss|3}}, {{ss|4}} {{f}} {{f}} {{ditto}}. These should have their own menu.

{{tl|s}}, {{tl|s|2}} s|2, {{tl|ss|1}} {{tl|ss}}, {{tl|ss|2}} ss|2, {{tl|ss|3}} ss|3, {{tl|ss|4}} ss|4, {{tl|f}} {{tl|f}} {{tl|ditto}}

* [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2015-05#Long_s_template]] 
* [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2012#Gaelic_font]]
* {{tl|lang}}; [[:Category:Typography templates]]

:&amp;amp;ensp; |&amp;ensp;| en space[d]  
:&amp;amp;emsp; |&amp;emsp;| emsp  
:&amp;amp;thinsp; |&amp;thinsp;|   thinsp

P.S. style point: Never, ever, EVER use &amp; nbsp; There are always much better options. The code &amp; #160; can be used in a pinch, or {{gap}}, or cellpadding, but there is always a better option than nbsp;. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

[[w:Bracket#Encoding_in_digital_media]], [[w:Tilde#Similar_characters]], [[w:Miscellaneous_Technical]], [[w:Ellipsis]], [[w:Numerals in Unicode]]

&lt;pre&gt;Suggestions for Gadget Proofreading shortcut keys
^oe ^ae -- macron
for Diacritical Marks

diacritical mark	sample	above	below
macron (straight line)	¯	[=x]	[x=]
2 dots (dieresis, umlaut)	¨	[:x]	[x:]
1 dot	·	[.x]	[x.]
grave accent	`	[`x]	[x`]
acute accent (aigu)	´	['x]	[x']
circumflex	ˆ	[^x]	[x^]
caron (v-shaped symbol)	∨	[vx]	[xv]
breve (u-shaped symbol)	∪	[)x]	[x)]
tilde	˜	[~x]	[x~]
cedilla	¸	[,x]	[x,]
&lt;/pre&gt;

Special characters muck up templates: # [&amp;amp;#35;] : {{:}} |  &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;  &lt;nowiki&gt;&amp;#124;&lt;/nowiki&gt; 

====Non-Latin Characters====

Some projects contain text printed in non-Latin languages; that is, characters other than the Latin A...Z—for example, Greek, Cyrillic (used in Russian, Slavic, and other languages), Hebrew, or Arabic characters. These characters are available in the pull-down menus but if you are not sure of your Greek (etc.), you can get help, using a missing template e.g. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Greek missing}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; where the Greek characters should be, for an expert to fill in the gap.

{{tl|lang}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{lang|he|ארץ זבת חלב ודבש}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{lang|he|ארץ זבת חלב ודבש}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{lang|pt|funcho}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{lang|pt|funcho}} 

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{lang|text=Lorem ipsum|font=UnifrakturMaguntia}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{lang|text=Lorem ipsum|font=UnifrakturMaguntia}}

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Superscripts|Superscripts]]===
Insert superscript from the pulldown menu. This works well only for single letters. Older books often abbreviated words as contractions, and printed them as superscripts, insert them into the {{tl|sup}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sup|x}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template. For example:

'''Original Image:'''

Gen{{sup|rl}} Washington defeated Lᵗ Cornwall's army.

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''
&lt;nowiki&gt;Gen {{sup|rl}} Washington defeated Lᵗ Cornwall's army.&lt;/nowiki&gt;

If the superscript represents a footnote marker, then see the Footnotes section instead.

The Project Manager may specify in the Project Comments that superscripted text be marked differently.

Italics are inside the template. E.g. ''107''{{sup|''th''}} &lt;nowiki&gt;''107''{{sup|''th''}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Subscripts|Subscripts]]===


Subscripted text is often found in scientific works, but is not common in other material. Proofread these with subscript from the pulldown menu or if characters are unavailable, insert into the {{tl|sub}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sub|x}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template using the subscripted text. For example:

'''Original Image:'''
H₂O. H{{sub|2}}O.

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''
H₂O. &lt;nowiki&gt;H{{sub|2}}O.&lt;/nowiki&gt;


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Large, Opening Capital Letter|Large, Opening Capital Letter]]===

Large initial letters at the start of a chapter, section, or paragraph are duplicated with a template. If it is an ornate initial, note it in the Index Discussion page (with .djvu number) as someone may take the trouble to insert an image instead. 

{{di|P}}roofread a large first letter that sits below the first line using the drop initial template {{tl|di}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|x}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
{{dhr}}
{{largeinitial|R}}arely, you may have a large first letter sitting on the first line. Use  {{tl|li}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{largeinitial|x}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for these.

{{float left|&quot;}}{{di|I}}f you have an apostophe before the initial, use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{float left|&quot;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the initial template
{{dhr}}
c.f. 

{{di|&quot;I}} &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|&quot;I}} &lt;/nowiki&gt;
{{dhr}}

{{di|P|1em}} {{lorem ipsum}}

{{di|P|2em}} {{lorem ipsum}}

{{di|P|3em}} {{lorem ipsum}}

{{di|P|4em}} {{lorem ipsum}}

{{di|P|5em}} {{lorem ipsum}}

===Words in [[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Small Capitals|Small Capitals]]===
Using the Small capitals template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|Lorem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, proofread the characters in Small Caps (capital letters which are smaller than the standard capitals) as lower case letters; capitals remain as capitals. For example

'''Original Image:'''

* {{sc|Popular Science Monthly}}
* {{sc|Creighton, J. E.}}
* {{sc|a.m.}}
* {{smaller|B.C.}}

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

* &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|Popular Science Monthly}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
* &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|Creighton, J. E.}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
* &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|a.m.}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
* &lt;nowiki&gt;{{smaller|B.C.}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

It is considered good form to include a whole name etc. within the template rather than only the part with small caps, as in &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|Creighton, J. E.}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
the 
If the OCR has converted small caps to all capitals, you must retype the words into the edit page. If it is a long passage it may be worth using the lower case template, {{tl|lc}}, previewed, to convert the passage. Copy and paste into the Edit page.  

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{lc|LOWERCASE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{lc|LOWERCASE}} {{tl|lc}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{uc|uppercase}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{uc|uppercase}}  {{tl|uc}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{capitalize|capitalize}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{capitalize|capitalize}}  {{tl|capitalize}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{asc|ALL small caps}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{asc|ALL small caps}} {{tl|asc}}

====Upper and lower case====
''All caps''

{{tl|uc}}

{{tl|lc}}

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Punctuation|Punctuation]]===
====Double Quotes====

Proofread “double quotes” (straight or curly) as plain ASCII (keyboard) &quot; (shift ') double quotes. Do not change double quotes to single quotes. Leave them as the author wrote them. See Chapter Headings if a double quote is missing at the start of a chapter. 

The French equivalent, guillemets  «like this», are available from the pulldown menus when editing or creating pages. 

For other quotation marks, use '. This applies to languages which use marks »like this«; „like this“; “this way„  

The Project Manager may instruct you in the Project Comments to proofread non-English language quotation marks differently for a particular book. Please be sure not to apply those directions to other projects.

Check for matching opening and closing quotes and close up the space between the marks and the quoted text. Some books have quotes where every new line has another quotemark—these are to be removed, leaving the beginning and ending quote, as the line spacing will change in transclusion. Check the Project Discussion for alternative directions.


====Single Quotes====

Proofread these as the plain ASCII (keyboard) ' single quote (apostrophe). Do not change single quotes to double quotes. Leave them as the author wrote them. Convert ‘ ’ to ' '.

====Single quote, double quote====
{{' &quot;}} {{tl|' &quot;}} 


====Quote Marks on Each Line====

Proofread quotation marks at the beginning of each line of a quotation by removing all of them except for the one at the start of the quotation. If a quotation like this goes on for multiple paragraphs, leave the quote mark that appears on the first line of each paragraph.

However, in poetry keep the extra quote marks where they appear in the image, since the line breaks will not be changed.

Often there is no closing quotation mark until the very end of the quoted section of text, which may not be on the same page you are proofreading. Leave it that way—do not add closing quotation marks that are not in the page image.

There are some language-specific exceptions. In French, for example, dialog within quotations uses a combination of different punctuation to indicate various speakers. If you are not familiar with a particular language, check the Project Discussion, or leave a message for the Project Manager in the Project Discussion for clarification.


'''Original Image:'''
 Clearly he wasn't an academic with a preface like this
 one. “I do not give the name of the play, act or scene,
 “in head or foot lines, in my numerous quotations from
 “Shakspere, designedly leaving the reader to trace and
 “find for himself a liberal education by studying the
 “wisdom of the Divine Bard.

 “There are many things in this volume that the ordinary
 “mind will not understand, yet I only contract with the
 “present and future generations to give rare and rich
 “food for thought, and cannot undertake to furnish the
 “reader brains with each book!”


'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

 Clearly he wasn't an academic with a preface like this
 one. &quot;I do not give the name of the play, act or scene,
 in head or foot lines, in my numerous quotations from
 Shakspere, designedly leaving the reader to trace and
 find for himself a liberal education by studying the
 wisdom of the Divine Bard.

 &quot;There are many things in this volume that the ordinary
 mind will not understand, yet I only contract with the
 present and future generations to give rare and rich
 food for thought, and cannot undertake to furnish the
 reader brains with each book!&quot;


====End-of-sentence Periods====

Proofread periods that end sentences with a single space after them.


====Punctuation Spacing====

Spaces before punctuation sometimes appear because books typeset in the 1700's &amp; 1800's often used partial spaces before punctuation such as a semicolon or colon.

In general, a punctuation mark should have a space after it but no space before it. If the OCR'd text has no space after a punctuation mark, add one; if there is a space before punctuation, remove it. This applies even to languages such as French that normally use spaces before punctuation characters. However, punctuation marks that normally appear in pairs, such as &quot;quotation marks&quot;, (parentheses), [brackets], and {braces} normally have a space before the opening mark, which should be retained.

'''Original Image:'''

 and so it goes ; ever and ever.

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

 and so it goes; ever and ever.


====Trailing Space at End-of-line====

Do not bother inserting spaces at the ends of lines of text; any such spaces will automatically be removed from the text when you save the page. When the text is transcluded, each end-of-line will be converted into a space.


====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Dashes, Hyphens, and Minus Signs|Dashes, Hyphens, and Minus Signs]]====

There are generally four such marks you will see in books:

'''Hyphens.'''-These are used to join words together, or sometimes to join prefixes or suffixes to a word. 
Leave these as a single hyphen, with no spaces on either side. Note that there is a common exception to this shown in the second example below.

'''En-dashes.'''-These are just a little longer, and are used for a range of numbers, or for a mathematical minus sign. 
Proofread these as a single hyphen, too. Spaces before or after are determined by the way it was done in the book; usually no spaces in number ranges, usually spaces around mathematical minus signs, sometimes both sides, sometimes just before.

'''Em-dashes &amp; long dashes.'''—These serve as separators between words—sometimes for emphasis like this—or when a speaker gets a word caught in his throat——! 
Proofread these as an em-dash (from the pull-down menu) if the dash is as long as 2-3 letters (an em-dash) or use {{tl|bar|bar}} for a custom length. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{bar|3}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; looks like this{{bar|3}}. Don't leave a space before or after, even if it looks like there was a space in the original book image. 


E.g. 
:&lt;nowiki&gt;{{sc|Vol 1.—a}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; 
:{{sc|Vol 1.—a}}

''Deliberately Omitted or Censored Words or Names.''
If represented by a dash in the image, proofread these as an equivalent length {{tl|bar}}. When it represents a word, we leave appropriate space around it like it's really a word. If it's only part of a word, then no spaces—join it with the rest of the word.

longdash {{longdash}} {{tl|longdash}}

{{tl|Ditto bar}}

See also the guidelines for end-of-line and end-of-page hyphens and dashes.

====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/End-of-line Hyphenation and Dashes|End-of-line Hyphenation and Dashes]]====

Where a hyphen appears at the end of a line, join the two halves of the hyphenated word back together. Remove the hyphen when you join it, unless it is really a hyphenated word like well-meaning. See Dashes, Hyphens, and Minus Signs for examples of each kind. If possible, keep the joined word on the top line, and put a line break after it to preserve the line formatting—this makes it easier for volunteers in later rounds. If the word is followed by punctuation, then carry that punctuation onto the top line, too.

Words like to-day and to-morrow that we don't commonly hyphenate now were often hyphenated in the old books we are working on. Leave them hyphenated the way the author did. Check the Index Discussion page for any advise if you're not sure if the author hyphenated it or not. If no consensus noted, leave the hyphen when you join the word. Leave a note  on the Index discussion page of the .djvu page on which this occurs so someone can determine how the author typically wrote this word.

Similarly, if an em-dash appears at the start or end of a line of your OCR'd text, join it with the other line so that there are no spaces or line breaks around it. However, if the author used an em-dash to start or end a paragraph or a line of poetry, you should leave it as it is, without joining it to the next line. See Dashes, Hyphens, and Minus Signs for examples.

====End-of-page Hyphenation and Dashes====

Where a hyphen appears at the end of a page, the first part is used without the hyphen or em-dash. Use hyphanated word start {{tl|hws}} and end {{tl|hwe}} templates: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws|first part|whole word}} and {{hwe|second part|whole word}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. If it is really a hyphenated word like well-meaning, include it in the whole word i.e. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws|first part|whole-word}} and {{hwe|second part|whole-word}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. See Dashes, Hyphens, and Minus Signs for examples of each kind. 

For example:

'''Original Image:'''

 something Pat had already become accus-

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

 something Pat had already become &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hws|accus|accustomed}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

To continue the above example on the next page:

'''Original Image:'''

 tomed to from having to do his own family

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

 &lt;nowiki&gt;{{hwe|tomed|accustomed}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to from having to do his own family

These templates rejoin the word when the pages are combined to produce the final e-book (transcluded). Please do not join the fragments across the pages yourself.

For Footnotes that split words over pages, see Footnotes.

Where the hyphen or em-dash should be retained as punctuation, use {{tl|peh}}

====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Ellipsis|Ellipsis &quot;…&quot;]]====

The guidelines are different for English and Languages Other Than English (LOTE).

[[w:Ellipsis|Ellipses]] of omission should be entered as the actual character (''i.e.'' …, in the Symbol section of the pull-down menu) without surrounding spaces. However, note that not all strings of dots within written dialogue are ellipses of omission. In some cases, an author uses a sequence of three or more dots to indicate a pause, and in such situations there should be separate consecutive dots in order to preserve the tempo of the dialogue.

ENGLISH: An ellipsis is a character on its own, consisting of three consecutive dots. Regarding the spacing, in the middle of a sentence treat the three dots as a single word (i.e., usually a space before the 3 dots and a space after). At the end of a sentence treat the ellipsis as ending punctuation, with no space before it.

Note that there will also be an ending punctuation mark at the end of a sentence, in the case of a period there will be .+an ellipsis—4 dots total. A good hint that you're at the end of a sentence is the use of a capital letter at the start of the next word, or the presence of an ending punctuation mark (e.g., a question mark or exclamation point).

LOTE: (Languages Other Than English) Use the general rule &quot;Follow closely the style used in the printed page.&quot; In particular, insert spaces, if there are spaces before or between the periods, and use the same number of periods as appear in the image. Sometimes the printed page is unclear; in that case, save as a Problematic page. 

'''English examples:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
!Original Image:	
!Correctly Proofread Text:
|-
|That I know . . . is true.	||That I know …  is true.
|-
|This is the end....	||This is the end….
|-
|The moving finger writes; and. . . The poet surely had a pen though!	||The moving finger writes; and…. The poet surely had a pen though!
|-
|Wherefore art thou Romeo. . . ?	||Wherefore art thou Romeo…?
|-
|“I went to the store, . . .” said Harry.	||&quot;I went to the store, ...&quot; said Harry.
|-
|“... And I did too!” said Sally.	||&quot;... And I did too!&quot; said Sally.
|-
|“Really?  . . . Oh, Harry!”	||&quot;Really?... Oh, Harry!&quot;
|}


====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Braces|Braces]]====

{{tl|brace2}}  

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{brace2|3|l}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; spans 3 lines, facing left:{{brace2|3|1}} 
r for right

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{xx-larger|{{(}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{xx-larger|{{(}}}}


To include text within the bracket, 

use {{tl|float right}} or {{tl|float right}} e.g. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{float right|{{brace2-PNG|3|r}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{float right|{{brace2-PNG|3|r}} {{gap|20em}}}} 

OR use a table:

&lt;pre&gt;
{|
|{{brace2|4|l}}
|do&lt;br/&gt;ray&lt;br/&gt;fa&lt;br/&gt;ti
|{{brace2|4|r}}
|}
&lt;/pre&gt;

{|
|{{brace2|4|l}}
|do&lt;br/&gt;ray&lt;br/&gt;fa&lt;br/&gt;ti
|{{brace2|4|r}}
|}

====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Contractions|Contractions]]====

In English, remove any extra space in contractions. For example, would n't should be proofread as wouldn't and 't is as 'tis.

This was a 19th century printers' convention in which the space was retained to indicate that 'would' and 'not' were originally separate words. It is also sometimes an artifact of the OCR. Remove the extra space in either case.

Some Project Managers may specify in the Project Discussion page not to remove extra spaces in contractions, particularly in the case of books that contain slang, dialect, or poetry.


====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Fractions|Fractions]]====

Proofread fractions as follows:
: a diagonal fraction bar (a virgule)—¾ is written {{fs70|{{frac|3|4}}}}: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{frac|3|4}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; {{tl|frac}}, do not use the actual fraction symbols unless specifically requested in the Project Discussion, please.
: A horizontal fraction bar (a vinculum)—use {{tl|sfrac}} encased in {{tl|fs70}} as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|n|d}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ({{fs70|{{over|n|d}}}}) to fit inline. 
:{{fs70|{{frac|2|1|2}}}}: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{frac|2|1|2}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:{{fs70|{{sfrac|2|1|2}}}}: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|2|1|2}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

For fractions with a numerator of one, only the denominator need be inputted: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|d}}}} &lt;/nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|d}}}}; &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|3}}}} &lt;/nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{sfrac|3}}}}

===Leaders===

Period at the end. Remove

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Maths|Maths]]===

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Music|Music]]===


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Problem templates|Problem templates]]===
These should be used if there is a problem that you cannot fix yourself.  When using one of these, also set the progress to &quot;problematic&quot; (blue).

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0 auto 0 auto;&quot;
! Template || Used where..
|-
| {{tl|missing score}} || ..a musical score should be included.
|-
| {{tl|missing math formula}} || ..a mathematical formula should be included.
|-
| {{tl|illegible}} || ..the text cannot be read.
|-
| {{tl|arabic missing}} || ..Arabic characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|chinese missing}} || ..Chinese characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|greek missing}} || ..Greek characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|hebrew missing}} || ..Hebrew characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|symbol missing}} || ..unknown symbols are used.
|-
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | &lt;small&gt;* Where you cannot read or write in these languages.&lt;/small&gt;
|}


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Abbreviations|Abbreviations]]===
There are exceptions to the Primary Rule with regards to abbreviations. See the [[w:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations|Manual of Style]]. Specific examples are i.e and e.g., {{sc|a.m.}} and {{smaller|B.C.}} and other abbreviations from Latin, which are always contracted to avoid splitting across lines. Abbreviations should be SIC'd in full, except when &quot;very common&quot;—[[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Abbreviations|Manual of Style]]

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Obscure words|Obscure words]]===
Foreign words should be linked to [[wikt:Wiktionary:Main_Page|Wiktionary]] using &lt;nowiki&gt;[[wikt:Article|word]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Common phrases may also be in [[wikt:Wiktionary:Main_Page|Wiktionary]]. E.g.

{|align=&quot;center&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot;  text-align:left;&quot; 
|&lt;nowiki&gt;[[wikt:ceteris paribus|''caeteris paribus'']]&lt;/nowiki&gt; ||[[wikt:ceteris paribus|''caeteris paribus'']]
|}

To add a word to Wiktionary, go to [[wikt:Category:Requested_entries_by_language|Requested entries]]

Longer quotes in foreign languages may have translations in Wikiquotes and should be linked with &lt;nowiki&gt;[[q:Author firstname lastname|displayed name of Author]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;. If the author’s page exists (blue link), check your quote is already there; if not, be brave and add it or leave a note in the Project Discussion. You can get it translated at ??. If your link is red, click the link and search Wikiquote—maybe they spell it differently. To add an author, click red link and follow: [[q:Help:Starting_a_new_page]], or leave a note in the Project Discussion.

==Proofreading at the Paragraph Level:==

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; induces a new line without hard return, compatable with use in templates.

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Font size|Font size]]===
When a whole section of a publication is in a smaller size e.g. Correspondence, Subscriptions; we would keep the text at normal size as this is usually a space saving device for the publishers which we don’t need to follow. When the size of text changes to define different parts of a text, e.g. quotations or poetry, we follow the publishers lead. 

If you want {{larger|a bigger font size}}, or a {{smaller|smaller size}}, that's easy.
 &lt;nowiki&gt;If you want {{larger|a bigger font size}}, or a {{smaller|smaller size}}, that's easy.&lt;/nowiki&gt;

We don't use absolutes, like &quot;large&quot; so as to make reading text easier whatever the size of the device, but there are {{x-larger|even bigger}} and {{xx-larger|huge}} size available, as well as {{x-smaller|even smaller}} and {{xx-smaller|tiny}}.
 
 &lt;nowiki&gt;We don't use absolutes, like &quot;large&quot; so as to make reading text easier whatever the size of the device, but there are {{x-larger|even bigger}}   and {{xx-larger|huge}} size available, as well as {{x-smaller|even smaller}} and {{xx-smaller|tiny}}.&lt;/nowiki&gt;

For font sizes that are less than 100%, the following list of templates were designed to have line heights proportional to the font size. The number indicates the % reduction in size e.g. fs90=90% normal size font.

* &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs90/s}} {{fs90/e}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; used to enclose a block of paragraphs and/or span pages. When used to span pages, the {{color|blue|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs90/e}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} is placed in the footer of the first page, to terminate the block and {{color|blue|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs90/s}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} is placed in the header of the following page to begin the new block. This way the transcluded text in the main namespace will be enclosed with a single set of templates because headers and footers are excluded.{{color|blue|[[Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 24.djvu/723|'' Click on this link to see an example.'']]}}

* {{tl|fs85}} 85% font size and 100% line height.
* {{tl|fs75}} 75% font size and 95% line height. 
* {{tl|fs70}} 70% font size and 90% line height. - Used inline to match the line height of fraction templates {{color|blue|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{fs70|{{over||}}}} and {{fs70|{{frac||}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}.

More: {{color|blue|[[Help:Beginner's guide to typography#100% and smaller font size and style comparisons table|''100% and smaller font size and style comparisons table.'']]}}

{{tl|font-size}}

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Thought breaks|Thought breaks]]: Extra spaces, stars, or lines between paragraphs===

Separator template needs work. Should automatically spread bullets across page, unless length specified. 

In the image, most paragraphs start on the line immediately after the end of the previous one. Sometimes two paragraphs are separated to indicate a &quot;thought break.&quot; A thought break may take the form of a line of stars, hyphens, or some other character, a plain or floridly decorated horizontal line, a simple decoration, or even just an extra blank line or two.

A thought break may represent a change of scene or subject, a lapse in time, or a bit of suspense.

Templates are used for more complex layout. 

If more than one line is needed between paragraphs, the double hard return, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr|nem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template is used. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; gives two lines-this is preferable to two blank lines as it shows consideration has been made of the formatting.

The '''rule''' template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rule|5em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;  uses its argument to govern the length of the rule: {{rule|5em}} &quot;em&quot; is the width of a single wide character whereas &quot;px&quot; stands for pixels.

{| style=&quot;border;none; text-align:left; width:100%&quot;
|- style=&quot;background:#E6F2FF; color:#202122; padding:0.3em; text-align:center;&quot;
|'''Template'''
|'''Example'''
|'''Result'''
|-
|{{tl|rule}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;


&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{rule|height=4px}}{{rule}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;


&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{rule|15%}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;


&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{rule|5em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{rule}}{{rule}}


{{rule|height=4px}}{{rule}}


{{rule|15%}}


{{rule|5em}}
|-
|{{tl|custom rule}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{custom rule|sp|100|d|6|sp|10|d|10|sp|10|d|6|sp|100}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{custom rule|c|6|sp|40|do|7|fy1|40|do|7|sp|40|c|6}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{custom rule|fc|140}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{Custom rule|sp|100|d|6|sp|10|d|10|sp|10|d|6|sp|100}}

{{custom rule|c|6|sp|40|do|7|fy1|40|do|7|sp|40|c|6}}

{{custom rule|fc|140}}
|-
|{{tl|separator}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{separator}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{separator}}
|-
|{{tl|***}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{***}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{***|5|3em|char=@}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{***}}

{{***|5|3em|char=@}}
|-
|{{tl|Asterism}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Asterism}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{Asterism}}
|-
|}


{{tl|nw}}  {{nw|* * *}}

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Line Breaks|Line Breaks]]===

Leave all line breaks in so that later in the process other volunteers can easily compare the lines in the text to the lines in the image. Be especially careful about this when rejoining hyphenated words or moving words around em-dashes. If the previous proofreader removed the line breaks, please replace them so that they once again match the image.

Remove any spaces at the beginning of the line.

 A space at the beginning of a line creates a box.

Line breaks can cause problems (especially with templates, links and tables, and italics/bold which are closed by the line ending). Close the line in these cases.

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Line spacing|Line spacing]]===

If there is more than one space between lines, use the double return template: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for 2 lines; &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr|nem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for a custom gap.
For example:

This is a double line
{{dhr}}
gap.

This is a 4 em 
{{dhr|4em}}
gap.

===Borders===
* Graphic frames
::{{tl|overfloat image}} 

* {{tl|border}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{border |maxwidth= 350px|padding= 15px|Lorum ipsum}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{border |maxwidth= 350px|padding= 15px|Lorum ipsum}}
* {{tl|frame}}
* Table border &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|bt|bl|br|bb}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Headings|Headings]]===
====Chapter Headings====

Proofread chapter headings as they appear in the image but do not insert line breaks. e.g. [[Page:Will_to_Believe_and_Other_Essays_(1897).djvu/206|Here]] we center the entire heading so it will format appropriately, according to the width of the display NOT according to the original page. 

A chapter heading may start a bit farther down the page than the page header and won't have a page number on the same line. Chapter Headings are often printed all caps; if so, keep them as all caps.

Watch out for a missing double quote at the start of the first paragraph, which some publishers did not include or which the OCR missed due to a large capital in the image. If the author started the paragraph with dialog, insert the double quote.

Put &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr|4em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the &quot;CHAPTER XXX&quot;. Include this even if the chapter starts on a new page; there are no 'pages' in an e-book, so the blank lines are needed. Then separate with a blank line each additional part of the chapter heading, such as a chapter description, opening quote, etc., and finally leave two blank lines &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the Section title or the start of the text of the chapter.

While chapter headings may appear to be bold or spaced out, these are usually the result of font or font size changes and should not be marked. 

Headings (Chapter Headings, Section Headings, Captions, etc.) may appear to be in all small caps, but this is usually the result of a change in font size and should not be marked as small caps.

 example here


====Section Headings====

Some books have sections within chapters. Format these headings as they appear in the image. Leave 2 blanks lines &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the heading and one line after, unless the Project Manager has requested otherwise. If you are not sure if a heading indicates a chapter or a section, post a question in the Project Discussion, noting the page number.

Mark any italics or mixed case small caps that appear in the image. While section headings may appear to be bold or spaced out, these are usually the result of font or font size changes and should not be marked. The extra blank lines separate the heading, so do not mark the font change as well.


====Other Major Divisions in Texts====

Major Divisions in the text such as Preface, Foreword, Table of Contents, Introduction, Prologue, Epilogue, Appendix, References, Conclusion, Glossary, Summary, Acknowledgements, Bibliography, etc., should be formatted in the same way as Chapter Headings, i.e. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr|4em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the heading and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before the start of the text.

[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Title Page|Book Title]] pages are treated differently. 


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Alignment|Alignment]]===
Text is by default aligned left, but where it is required to manually align text to the left, use {{tl|left}}.  To float a block of text to the left without affecting text alignment within the block, use {{tl|float left}} or {{tl|block left}}.  

To align text to the right, use {{tl|right}}.  To float a block of text to the right without affecting text alignment within the block, use {{tl|float right}} or {{tl|block right}}.

To center text, use the center template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{c|Lorem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.  To float a block of text to the center without affecting text alignment within the block, use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center|Lorem ipsum}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.

{| style=&quot;border;none; text-align:left; width:100%&quot;
|- style=&quot;background:#E6F2FF; color: #202122;  padding:0.3em; text-align:center;&quot;
|'''Template'''
|'''Example'''
|'''Result'''
|-
|{{tl|left}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{left|this text&lt;br/&gt;is left justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{left|this text&lt;br/&gt;is left justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{center}}, {{c}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{c|this text&lt;br/&gt;is center justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{c|this text&lt;br/&gt;is center justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{right}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{right|this text&lt;br/&gt;is right justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{right|this text&lt;br/&gt;is right justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block left}}, {{float left}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block left|this block of text&lt;br/&gt;is left justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{block  left|this block of text&lt;br/&gt;is left justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center|this block of text&lt;br/&gt;is center justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{block center|this block of text text&lt;br/&gt;is center justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block right}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{block right|this block of text&lt;br/&gt;is right justified}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{block right|this block of text&lt;br/&gt;is right justified}}
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{float right}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Signed. {{float right|{{sc|J. Dewey}}{{gap}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|Signed.{{float right|{{sc|J. Dewey}}{{gap}}}}
|}

{{tl|justify}}

{{tl|{{center block}} - may align better

{{tl|zfloat right}}, {{tl|zfloat left}} 

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====[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Block quotes|Block quotes]]====

Block quotations are blocks of text (typically several lines and sometimes several pages) that are distinguished from the surrounding text by wider margins, a smaller font size, different indentation, or other means. 

{{tl|quote}} indents on left and right margins. It also enables citation. ****template needs work. Not smaller font size. Would be handy to be able to dictate fs and margin size.

{{tl|lh2/s}} for specifying line height

{{tl|fs90/s}} {{tl|fs90/e}} used to enclose a block of paragraphs and/or span pages. When used to span pages, the {{tl|fs90/e}} is placed in the footer of the first page, to terminate the block and {{tl|fs90/s}} is placed in the header of the following page to begin the new block. This way the transcluded text in the main namespace will be enclosed with a single set of templates because headers and footers are excluded.{{color|blue|[[Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 24.djvu/723|'' Click on this link to see an example.'']]}}

Also {{tl|fs85}}, {{tl|fs75}}, {{tl|fs70}}. {{tl|font-size-x}} allows you to specify the font size as a percentage or in em, with proportionate line spacing.

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Indenting|Indenting/Paragraph Spacing]]===
&quot;em&quot; is the width of a single wide character whereas &quot;px&quot; stands for pixels.

Put a blank line before the start of a paragraph, unless it starts at the top of a page. A new paragraph is indicated by an indentation. Where there is a gap between paragraphs (not just indented), we use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Example: [[Page:Lombard Street (1917).djvu/266]]

Contrary to the original scan, proofread paragraphs are not indented. However, there are exceptions in poems in which alternate lines are indented, and indented lists, where inserting a table is not warranted. In such cases there are two templates available:

* Use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{gap|nem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template where there is a wide gap or indent in the text. A default &lt;nowiki&gt;{{gap}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; looks like this{{gap}}. A &lt;nowiki&gt;{{gap|4em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; looks like this{{gap|4em}}. A &lt;nowiki&gt;{{gap|.5em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; looks like this{{gap|.5em}}.
* Use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{spaces|n}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template where there is a short gap or indent in the text. A &lt;nowiki&gt;{{spaces|2}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; looks like this{{spaces|2}}.

On transclusion, when pages are joined together, they will run immediately from the bottom of one page to the top of the next. If a paragraph finishes at the bottom of the page, it is followed by the no-operation template {{tl|nop}} as the last line, which forces a new paragraph at the start of the next page. &lt;nowiki&gt;{{nop}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; is not needed after an image, a table or some templates.

To indent every line of a paragraph except the first, use the Hanging indent template, {{tl|hi}}. To indent a block of text left, use the colon (:) before the block. (no hard returns tho) For more control, the template {{tl|left margin}} is available. Template {{tl|dent}} combines the functionality of {{tl|left margin}}, {{tl|text-indent}} and {{tl|hi}}.

Wikimarkup

{{markup
|&lt;nowiki&gt;; Term
: Definition 1
: Definition 2
: Definition 3
: Definition 4&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|'''Term'''
: Definition 1
: Definition 2
: Definition 3
: Definition 4
}}

Wikimarkup: use * for items in an unordered list and # for ordered lists.

{| style=&quot;border;none; text-align:left; width:100%&quot;
|- style=&quot;background:#E6F2FF; color: #202122; padding:0.3em; text-align:top;&quot;
|'''Template'''
|'''Example'''
|width=400px|'''Result'''
|-
|Hanging indent template, {{tl|hi}}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{hi|This paragraph of text has a hanging indent, often used on long entries in tables or lists}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{hi|This paragraph of text has a hanging indent, often used on long entries in tables or lists}} 
|-
|{{tl|left margin}}, :
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{left margin|2em|This block of text is indented left 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{left margin|2em|This block of text is indented left 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}
|-
|{{tl|Text-indent}}, :
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Text-indent|2em|This text is indented left 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{Text-indent|2em|This text is indented left 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}
|-
|{{tl|both margins}}, :
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{both margins|2em|2em|This block of text is indented 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{both margins|2em|2em|This block of text is indented 2 &quot;ems&quot;, to offset it from the main body}}
|-
|{{tl|dent}}
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{dent|4em|-2em|This block of text is formatted with both a left margin and a hanging indent}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|{{dent|4em|-2em|This block of text is formatted with both a left margin and a hanging indent}}
|}


{{tl|left}} 

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{left|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}
&lt;/nowiki&gt;
{{left|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{right|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{right|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{center|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}
&lt;/nowiki&gt;

{{center|Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.|5em}}


See [[Template:Hanging_indent]] for instructions on hanging indents over pages.


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Page Headers and Footers|Page Headers and Footers]]===

Cut page headers and page footers, but not footnotes, from the text. These may have already been inserted appropriately to the header or footer box as part of the page creation. This is part of the index page set-up. If the page is already created, or the automatic text doesn't match, add the text using the running header template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh|n|Title|x}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Extra blank lines at the top of the page should be removed except where we intentionally add them for formatting. But blank lines at the bottom of the page are fine—these are removed when you save the page.

A chapter heading will usually start further down the page and won't have a page number on the same line. See the example below.

 Insert example namespace here


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Images|Images]]===

Mark missing Images with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{missing image}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; where the image should be.

Proofread any caption text as it is printed, preserving the line breaks. If the caption falls in the middle of a paragraph, use blank lines to set it apart from the rest of the text. Text that could be (part of) a caption should be included, such as &quot;See page 66&quot; or a title within the bounds of the illustration. 

Exemplar: [[Wikisource:WikiProject_Popular_Science_Monthly/Proofreading_guide#Single_image_.7B.7BFIS.7D.7D_template_layout_for_center.2C_or_offset_images|Popular_Science_Monthly Proofreading_guide]]

[[Template:FreedImg/span]]

See: [[Help:Adding_images]]


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/References, Footnotes and Endnotes|References, Footnotes and Endnotes]]===

Proofread footnotes and insert between &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt;Lorem ipsum&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; where it is referenced in the text. Remove any markers such as * or {{Sup|1.}} These will be automatically placed on transclusion.

Separate paragraphs within the footnote with the double return template at the end of the paragraphs:&lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Endnotes are just footnotes that have been located together at the end of a chapter or at the end of the book, instead of on the bottom of each page. These are proofread in the same manner as footnotes. 

See: [[Help:Footnotes_and_endnotes]], [[Help:Page_breaks#Footnotes_across_page_breaks]]


'''Original Image:'''

&lt;pre&gt;
The principal persons involved in this argument were Caesar*, former military
leader and Imperator, and the orator Cicero†. Both were of the aristocratic
(Patrician) class, and were quite wealthy.

* Gaius Julius Caesar.
† Marcus Tullius Cicero.
&lt;/pre&gt;

'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

The principal persons involved in this argument were Caesar&lt;ref&gt;Gaius Julius Caesar.&lt;/ref&gt;, former military leader and Imperator, and the orator Cicero&lt;ref&gt;Marcus Tullius Cicero.&lt;/ref&gt;. Both were of the aristocratic (Patrician) class, and were quite wealthy.

&lt;references /&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;
The principal persons involved in this argument were Caesar&lt;ref&gt;Gaius Julius Caesar.&lt;/ref&gt;, former military
leader and Imperator, and the orator Cicero&lt;ref&gt;Marcus Tullius Cicero.&lt;/ref&gt;. Both were of the aristocratic
(Patrician) class, and were quite wealthy.

&lt;references /&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

{{dhr}}
'''Original Footnoted Poetry:'''
&lt;poem&gt;
Mary had a little lamb{{sup|[1]}}
:Whose fleece was white as snow
And everywhere that Mary went
:The lamb was sure to go!
&lt;/poem&gt;

1 This lamb was obviously of the Hampshire breed,&lt;br&gt;
well known for the pure whiteness of their wool.

A most determined ovine.
{{dhr}}
'''Correctly Proofread Text:'''

&lt;poem&gt;
Mary had a little lamb&lt;ref&gt;This lamb was obviously of the Hampshire breed, well known for the pure whiteness of their wool.{{dhr}}A most determined ovine.&lt;/ref&gt;
:Whose fleece was white as snow
And everywhere that Mary went
:The lamb was sure to go!
&lt;/poem&gt;

&lt;references /&gt;
{{dhr}}
&lt;pre&gt;
&lt;poem&gt;
Mary had a little lamb&lt;ref&gt;This lamb was obviously of the Hampshire breed, well known for the pure whiteness of their wool.{{dhr}}A most determined ovine.&lt;/ref&gt;
:Whose fleece was white as snow
And everywhere that Mary went
:The lamb was sure to go!
&lt;/poem&gt;

&lt;references /&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Sidenotes|Paragraph Side-Descriptions (Sidenotes)]]===

Some books will have short descriptions of the paragraph along the side of the text. These are called sidenotes. They are usually consistantly used through out a text. The OCR may place the sidenotes anywhere on the page, and may even intermingle the sidenote text with the rest of the text. 

Sidenotes in Wikisource are problematic. Refer to Project Discussion page for direction on how to handle them in the text you are working on.


===Lists===

[[w:Template:Plainlist]]

Examples and Exemplars: Ads in [[Index:ScienceAndHypothesis1905.djvu|Science And Hypothesis]]

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Columns|Multiple Columns]]===

Proofread ordinary text that has been printed in multiple columns as a single column. Place the text from the left-most column first, the text from the next column below that, and so on. Do not mark where the columns were split, just join them together. 

'''Original Image:'''

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|-
|Andersen, Hans Christian   ||Daguerre, Louis J. M.    ||Melville, Herman
|-
|Bach, Johann Sebastian     ||Darwin, Charles          ||Newton, Isaac
|-
|Balboa, Vasco Nunez de     ||Descartes, René          ||Pasteur, Louis
|-
|Bierce, Ambrose            ||Earhart, Amelia          ||Poe, Edgar Allan
|-
|Carroll, Lewis             ||Einstein, Albert         ||Ponce de Leon, Juan
|-
|Churchill, Winston         ||Freud, Sigmund           ||Pulitzer, Joseph
|-
|Columbus, Christopher      ||Lewis, Sinclair          ||Shakespeare, William
|-
|Curie, Marie               ||Magellan, Ferdinand      ||Tesla, Nikola
|}


'''Correctly Formatted Text:'''

Andersen, Hans Christian

Bach, Johann Sebastian

Balboa, Vasco Nunez de

Bierce, Ambrose

Carroll, Lewis

Churchill, Winston

Columbus, Christopher

Curie, Marie

Daguerre, Louis J. M.

Darwin, Charles

Descartes, René

Earhart, Amelia

Einstein, Albert

Freud, Sigmund

Lewis, Sinclair

Magellan, Ferdinand

Melville, Herman

Newton, Isaac

Pasteur, Louis

Poe, Edgar Allan

Ponce de Leon, Juan

Pulitzer, Joseph

Shakespeare, William

Tesla, Nikola


See also the Index and Table sections of the Proofreading Guidelines.


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Tables|Tables]]===

If you don't want to tackle the formatting involved with tables, be sure that all the information in a table is correctly proofread and make a note in the Project Discussion of an unformatted table and the djvu number and/or mark &lt;nowiki&gt;{{missing table}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Separate items with spaces as needed, but do not worry about precise alignment. Retain line breaks (while handling end-of-line hyphenation and dashes normally). Ignore any periods or other punctuation (leaders) used to align the items. 

Formatting guidelines for Tables, examples and more help is at [[Help:Table]].

[[Template:Aligned_table]]

[[Help:Page_breaks#Tables_across_page_breaks]]


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Poetry|Poetry and Epigrams]]===
Preserve the relative indentation of the individual lines of the poem or epigram by adding : in front of the indented lines to make them resemble the image. If the entire poem is centered on the printed page, use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Move the lines to the left margin, and preserve the relative indentation of the lines.

When a line of verse is too long for the printed page, many books wrap the continuation onto the next printed line and place a wide indentation in front of it. These continuation lines should be rejoined with the line above. Continuation lines usually start with a lower case letter. They will appear randomly unlike normal indentation, which occurs at regular intervals in the meter of the poem.

If a row of dots appears in a poem, treat this as a thought break.

Line Numbers in poetry should be kept.

Check the Project Discussion for the specific project you are formatting. Books of poetry often have special instructions from the Project Manager. Many times, you won't have to follow all these formatting guidelines for a book that is mostly or entirely poetry.

* Enclosing the poem in &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;Lorem ipsum&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; to maintain line breaks. 
* Leave each line left justified and maintain the line breaks. Insert a blank line between stanzas, when there is one in the image. If there are indents use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{gap}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; or : (multiple : for larger indentation).
* A common style: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center/s}}&lt;poem&gt;{{fs90/s}}{{fqm}}Lorem ipsum{{fs90/e}}&lt;/poem&gt;{{block center/e}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{block center/s}} (centers poem across pages) &lt;poem&gt; {{fs90/s}} (fs90=font size at 90%)&lt;/nowiki&gt;
* The template order is necessary because the font template line height is not applied to the contents, unless it is the innermost template.
* The &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags can't span pages. In poems that span pages the tag must be terminated with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; at the last line of the poem and inserted anew with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; on the following page.
* Poems that begin with a double quote (&quot;) require the use of the Floating quotation mark template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{fqm}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template in place of the &quot;, to retain the proper centering of the poem.
* Each line will need to be italicized separately

See [[Help:Poetry]] for more help and examples.


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Letters|Letters and Correspondence]]===

Format letters and correspondence as you would paragraphs. Put a blank line before the start of the letter; do not duplicate any indenting.

Consecutive heading or footer lines (such as addresses, date blocks, salutations, or signatures) can be formatted with alignment templates or as a table.

 Examples

If the correspondence is printed differently than the main text, see Block Quotations.

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Single Word at Bottom of Page|Single Word at Bottom of Page]]===

Proofread this by deleting the word, even if it's the second half of a hyphenated word.

In some older books, the single word at the bottom of the page (called a &quot;catchword&quot;, usually printed near the right margin) indicates the first word on the next page of the book (called an &quot;incipit&quot;). It was used to alert the printer to print the correct reverse (called &quot;verso&quot;), to make it easier for printers' helpers to make up the pages prior to binding, and to help the reader avoid turning over more than one page.


==Proofreading at the Page Level:==

===Words hyphenated across pages===

*{{tl|hws}}
*{{tl|Linkable phrase start}}
* Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2014-01#link_at_two_pages

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Running Headers and Footers|Running Headers and Footers]]===

&lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; provides easy formatting for headers and footers, including page numbers.

Some running headers, and how to format the template to display them, can be seen in this table:

* Use {{tl|rvh}}

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; {{ts|mc}}
|+ Examples of RunningHeader
! width=&quot;40%&quot; | Template || width=&quot;60%&quot; | Result
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh|1|CHAPTER TITLE|[1830.}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; || {{rh|1|CHAPTER TITLE|[1830.}}
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh||''Book Title''|{{{pagenum}}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; || {{rh||''Book Title''|55}}
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh|{{sc|Vol}}. 2||Page 101}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; || {{rh|{{sc|Vol}}. 2||Page 101}}
|}
[[Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_typography]]

===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Blank Page|Blank Page]]===

Most blank pages, or pages with an illustration but no text, will already be marked with [Without text]. Leave this marking as is. If the page is blank, and [Without text] does not appear, click the appropriate circle before saving.


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Front Matter|Front Matter]] and Back Title Page===

Proofread all the text just as it was printed on the page, whether all capitals, upper and lower case, etc., including the years of publication or copyright.


Older books often show the first letter as a large ornate graphic—proofread this as just the letter, note it in the Index Discussion page (with .djvu page number) as someone may take the trouble to insert an image instead.

 Examples


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Table of Contents|Table of Contents]]===

Proofread the Table of Contents just as it is printed in the book, whether all capitals, upper and lower case, etc. If there are Small Capitals, see the guidelines for Small Capitals. Leave a line between entries. A &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before sections.

Periods or other punctuation (leaders) used to align the page numbers are removed. Templates align things up. To have a go:[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Table of Contents|Formatting Table of Contents]]. Or leave it for the transcluder, who will also be adding links for chapters etc.

{{tl|TOCstyle}}


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Indexes|Indexes]]===

You don't need to align the page numbers in index pages as they appear in the image; just make sure that the numbers and punctuation match the image and retain the line breaks. Ensure that all the text and numbers are correct.

Indexes are often printed in 2 columns; this doesn’t work on a wiki so we have produce a single column of entries. See columns

Place one blank line before each entry in the index. 

Treat each new section in an index (A, B, C...) the same as a section heading by placing a &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before it.

Use {{tl|nop}} if the page ends with an entry. If entry continues over the page, no nop

Please check the Project Comments as the Project Manager may request different formatting, such as treating the index like a Table of Contents instead.

Using {{tl|TOCstyle}}, [[Page:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu/2217|Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management]]

Links to pages will be managed by the transcluder.

See also Multiple Columns.


===Sections===
[[Help:Subpages]]


===[[User:Zoeannl/Project guideline/Proofreader’s Guide/Plays|Plays]]: Actor Names/Stage Directions===

In dialog, treat a change in speaker as a new paragraph, with one blank line before it. If the speaker's name is on its own line, treat that as a separate paragraph as well.

Stage directions are kept as they are in the original image, so if the stage direction is on a line by itself, proofread it that way; if it is at the end of a line of dialog, leave it there. Stage directions often begin with an opening bracket and omit the closing bracket. This convention is retained; do not close the brackets.

Sometimes, especially in metrical plays, a word is split due to page-size constraints and placed above or below following a (, rather than having a line of its own. Please rejoin the word as per normal end-of-line hyphenation. See the example.

For all plays:

Format cast listings (Dramatis Personæ) as lists.

Treat each new Act the same as a chapter heading by placing &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr|4em}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; before it and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; after.

Treat each new Scene the same as a section heading by placing &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;  before it.

In dialog, treat a change in speaker as a new paragraph, with one blank line before it. If the speaker's name is on its own line, treat that as a separate paragraph as well.

Format actor names as they are in the original image, whether they are italics, bold, or all capital letters.

Stage directions are formatted as they are in the original image, so if the stage direction is on a line by itself, format it that way; if it is at the end of a line of dialog, leave it there; if it is right-justified at the end of a line of dialog, leave at least six spaces between the dialog and the stage directions.

Stage directions often begin with an opening bracket and omit the closing bracket. This convention is retained; do not close the brackets. Italics markup is generally placed inside the brackets.

For metrical plays (plays written as poetry):

Many plays are metrical, and like poetry should not be rewrapped. Surround metered text with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; as for poetry. If stage directions are on their own line, do not surround these with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. (Since stage directions are not metrical, and can be safely rewrapped, they should not be contained within the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags that protect the metrical dialog.)

Preserve relative indention of dialog as with poetry.

Rejoin metrical lines that were split due to width restrictions of the paper, just as in poetry. If the continuation is only a word or so, it is often shown on the line above or below following a (, rather than having a line of its own. See the example.

Please check the Project Discussion, as the Project Manager may specify different handling.

==Anything else that needs special handling or that you're unsure of==

While proofreading, if you encounter something that isn't covered in these guidelines that you think needs special handling or that you are not sure how to handle, post your question, noting the djvu (page) number, in the Index Discussion.

You should also put a note in the Page discussion page to explain what the problem or question is. Include your signature &lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Any comments put in by a previous volunteer must be left in place. See the next section for details.


==Previous Proofreaders' Notes/Comments==

Any notes or comments put in by a previous volunteer must be left in place. You may add agreement or disagreement to the existing note but even if you know the answer, you absolutely must not remove the comment. If you have found a source which clarifies the problem, please cite it so it can be referred to.

If you come across a note from a previous volunteer that you know the answer to, please take a moment and provide feedback to them by clicking on their name in the signature and posting a message to them explaining how to handle the situation in the future. Please, as already stated, do not remove the note.


==Common Problems:==
Formatting

Some texts have very challenging formatting. It is quite alright to leave this for someone else to do. Do leave a note on the Index Discussion page with the djvu page number. If you want to have a go, there are extra formatting guides to follow and you can then go to the Scriptorium for someone to look at your effort. Some examples of complex formatting tasks include:

&lt;pre&gt;
Spaced-out text
Font size changes
Footnotes that continue for more than one page
Images
Sidenotes
Arrangement of data in tables
Indentation (in poetry or elsewhere)
Tables of Contents
&lt;/pre&gt;


===Problem templates===
These should be used if there is a problem that you cannot fix yourself.  When using one of these, also set the progress to &quot;problematic&quot; (blue). Only use the template once per page. The &quot;expert&quot; will check the whole page for what's missing.

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;margin: 0 auto 0 auto;&quot;
! Template || Used where..
|-
| {{tl|missing image}} || ..an image should be included.
|-
| {{tl|Framed page}} || ..a frame should be included.
|-
| {{tl|missing table}} || ..a table should be included.
|-
| {{tl|missing score}} || ..a musical score should be included.
|-
| {{tl|missing chess diagram}} || ..a chess diagram should be included.
|-
| {{tl|missing math formula}} || ..a mathematical formula should be included.
|-
| {{tl|illegible}} || ..the text cannot be read.
|-
| {{tl|arabic missing}} || ..Arabic characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|chinese missing}} || ..Chinese characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|greek missing}} || ..Greek characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|hebrew missing}} || ..Hebrew characters are used.*
|-
| {{tl|symbol missing}} || ..unknown symbols are used.
|-
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | &lt;small&gt;* Where you cannot read or write in these languages.&lt;/small&gt;
|}

===Common OCR Problems===

OCR commonly has trouble distinguishing between the similar characters. Some examples are:

* The digit '1' (one), the lowercase letter 'l' (ell), the small-caps '{{sc|i}}' and the uppercase letter 'I' (aye). 
* The digit '0' (zero), and the uppercase letter 'O'.
* Dashes &amp; hyphens: Proofread these carefully—OCR'd text often has only one hyphen for an em-dash. See the guidelines for hyphenated words and em-dashes for more detailed information.
* Parentheses ( ) and curly braces { }.

Watch out for these. Normally the context of the sentence is sufficient to determine which is the correct character, but be careful—often your mind will automatically 'correct' these as you are reading.

Noticing these is much easier if you use a mono-spaced font such as DPCustomMono or Courier.


===OCR Problems: Scannos===

Another common OCR issue is misrecognition of characters. We call these errors &quot;scannos&quot; (like &quot;typos&quot;). This misrecognition can create a word that:

* appears to be correct at first glance, but is actually misspelled. This can usually be caught by running WordCheck from the proofreading interface. Recommended word reference [[wiktionary:Wiktionary:Main_Page|Wiktionary]]
* is changed to a different but otherwise valid word that does not match what is in the page image. This is subtle because it can only be caught by someone actually reading the text.
* Possibly the most common example of the second type is &quot;and&quot; being OCR'd as &quot;arid.&quot; Other examples: &quot;eve&quot; for &quot;eye&quot;, &quot;Torn&quot; for &quot;Tom&quot;, &quot;train&quot; for &quot;tram&quot;. This type is harder to spot and we have a special term for them: &quot;Stealth Scannos.&quot; We collect examples of Stealth Scannos in the Index discussion page.

Spotting scannos is much easier if you use a mono-spaced font such as DPCustomMono or Courier. To aid proofreading, the use of WordCheck (or its equivalent) is recommended.


===OCR Problems: Is that ° º really a degree sign?===

There are three different symbols that can look very similar in the image and that the OCR software interprets the same (and usually incorrectly):

* The degree sign °: This should be used only to indicate degrees (of temperature, of angle, etc.).
* The superscript o, {{sup|o}}: Virtually all other occurrences of a raised o should be proofread as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sup|o}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
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==Alphabetical Index to the Guidelines==

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Common OCR Problems
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OCR Problems: Scannos
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Page, Blank
Page Headers/Page Footers
Page, Title
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==Introduction==
Hi, I proofread a page you edited and it was well done. I would like to support you to leave your pages &quot;Proofread&quot; :) My very first &quot;project&quot; at Wikisource was proofreading PR so it’s on my watchlist. I migrated to WS from the Gutenberg Project and I’ve stayed here because I enjoy proofreading as I read. I learnt my proofreading skills at Distributed Proofreaders which I really recommend. WS mostly follows the same rules and the training at DP is really good, gives consistent feedback and it doesn’t take long (a few hours at most) to pick up with the programme they have. Unfortunately, WS doesn’t have anything comparable and add the determined individual interpretation, it can be very discouraging here. I have the start of a WS version of the proofreading guides at DP here. I am a proofreader foremost and have struggled to learn wiki ways. Any supportive feedback would be gratefully received. Let me know if you need help with anything. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)</text>
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With blazing Sinai still in view, 
A molten calf they cast. 

3 Yea, Aaron, God s anointed priest. 
Who on the mount had been, 
He durst prepare the idol-beast, 
And lead them on to sin ! 

4 Lord, what is man, and what are we, 
To recompense thee thus ? 
In their offence our own we see 
Their story points at us. 

5 From Mount Sinai we heard thee speak. 
And from Mount Calv ry too ; 
And yet to idols oft we seek, 
While thou art in our view. 

6. Some golden calf, or golden dream, 
Some fancied creature-good, 
Presumes to share the heart with Him 
Who bought the whole with blood. 

7 Lord, save us from our golden calves, 
Our sin with grief we own ; 
We would no more be thine by halves, 
But live to thee alone. 
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{{c|{{larger|19.&lt;br&gt;''The True Aaron. Levit.''—viii, 7–9.}}}}
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1 SEE Aaron, God s anointed priest, 
Within the veil appear, 
In robes of mystic meaning dress d, 
Presenting Isr el s pray r. 

2 The plate of gold which crowns his brows 
His holiness describes ; 
His breast displays, in shining rows, 
The names of all the tribes. 

3 With the atoning blood he stands 
Before the mercy-seat ; 
And clouds of incense from his hands 
Arise with odour sweet. 
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Let us now our day improve, 
Listen to the gospel-voice, 
Seek the things that are above, 
Scorn the world s pretended joys. 

5 Oh ! when flesh and heart shall fail, 
Let thy love our spirits cheer, 
Strengthen d thus we shall prevail 
Over Satan, sin, and fear: 
Trusting in thy precious name, 
May we thus our journey end; 
Then our foes shall lose their aim, 
And the Judge will be our Friend. 
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{{c|{{larger|5.&lt;br/&gt;''Invitation.''}}}}
&lt;poem&gt; 
1 SINNERS, hear the Saviour s call, 
He now is passing by ; 
He has seen thy grievous thrall, 
And heard thy mournful cry. 
He has pardons to impart, 
Grace to save thee from thy fears ; 
See the love that fills his heart, 
And wipe away thy tears. 

2 Why art thou afraid to come 
And tell him all thy case ? 
He will not pronounce thy doom, 
Nor frown thee from his face ; 
Wilt thou fear Emmanuel ? 
Wilt thou dread the Lamb of God, 
Who to save thy soul from hell, 
Has shed his precious blood ? 

3 Think how on the cross he hung, 
Pierced with a thousand wounds ! 
Hark from each, as with a tongue 
The voice of pardon sounds ! 
See from all his bursting veins, 
Blood of wondrous virtue flow ! 
Shed to wash away thy stains, 
And ransom thee from woe. 
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4 But, ah ! since thou hast been away, 
Nothing but trouble have I known ; 
And Satan marks me for his prey, 
Because he sees me left alone. 

5 My sun is hid, my comforts lost, 
My graces droop, my sins revive ; 
Distress d, dismay d, and tempest-toss d, 
My soul is only just alive ! 

6 Lord, hear my cry, and come again 1 
But all mine enemies to shame ; 
And let them see tis not in vain 
That I have trusted in thy name. 
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{{c|{{larger|32.&lt;br/&gt;''Cast down, but not destroyed.''}}}}
&lt;poem&gt; 
1 THOUGH sore beset with guilt and fear, 
I cannot, dare not, quite despair ; 
If I must perish, would the Lord 
Have taught my heart to love his word : 
Would he have given me eyes to see 
My danger and my remedy ; 
Reveal d his name, and bid me pray, 
Had he resolved to say me nay ? 

2 No though cast down, I am not slain ! 
I fall, but I shall rise again ; 
The present, Satan, is thy hour, 
But Jesus shall control thy pow r : 
His love will plead for my relief, 
He hears my groans, he sees my grief ; 
Nor will he suffer thee to boast 
A soul that sought his help was lost, 

3 Tis true, I have unfaithful been, 
And grieved his Spirit by my sin ; 
Yet still his mercy he ll reveal, 
And all my wounds and follies heal : 
Abounding sin I must confess, 
But more abounding is his grace : 
He once vouchsafed for me to bleed, 
And now he lives my cause to plead. 
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5 We praise thee, and would praise thee more ; 
To thee our all we owe, 
The precious Saviour, and the power 
That makes him precious too. 
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{{c|{{larger|81.&lt;br/&gt;''Grace and Providence.'' C.}}}}
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1 ALMIGHTY King ! whose wondrous hand 
Supports the weight of sea and land, 
Whose grace is such a boundless store 
No heart shall break that sighs for more, 

2 Thy providence supplies my food, 
And tis thy blessing makes it good ; 
My soul is nourish d by thy word 
Let soul and body praise the Lord. 

3 My streams of outward comfort came 
From him, who built this earthly frame ; 
Whate er I want his bounty gives, 
By whom my soul for ever lives. 

4 Either his hand preserves from pain, 
Or, if I feel it, heals again ; 
From Satan s malice shields my breast, 
Or over-rules it for the best. 

5 Forgive the song that falls so low 
Beneath the gratitude I owe ! 
It means thy praise, however poor, 
An angel s song can do no more. 
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{{c|{{larger|82.&lt;br/&gt;''Praise for redeeming Love.''}}}}
&lt;poem&gt; 
1 LET us love and sing and wonder, 
Let us praise the Saviour s name! 
He has hush d the Law s loud thunder, 
He has quench d mount Sinai s flame: 
He has wash d us with his blood, 
He has brought us nigh to God. 

2 Let us love the Lord who bought us, 
Pitied us when enemies, 
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{{c|BEFORE SERMON.}}

{{c|{{larger|89.}}}}
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CONFIRM the hope thy word allows, 
Behold us waiting to be fed ; 
Bless the provisions of thy house, 
And satisfy thy poor with bread : 
Drawn by thine invitation Lord, 
Thirsty and hungry we are come ! 
Now from the fulness of thy word, 
Feast us, and send us thankful home. 
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{{c|{{larger|90.}}}}
&lt;poem&gt; 
1 Now, Lord, inspire the preacher s heart, 
And teach his tongue to speak ; 
Food to the hungry soul impart, 
And cordials to the weak. 

2 Furnish us all with light and pow rs 
To walk in wisdom s ways ; 
So shall the benefit be ours, 
And thou shalt have the praise. 
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{{c|{{larger|91.}}}}
&lt;poem&gt; 
1 THY promise, Lord, and thy command, 
Have brought us here to-day ; 
And now, we humbly waiting stand 
To hear what thou wilt say. 

2 Meet us, we pray, with words of peace, 
And fill our hearts with love ; 
That from our follies we may cease, 
And henceforth faithful prove. 
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mythology – The Lettish myth of the two &quot;Sons of God&quot; – Common kernel of the myth of the two &quot;Sons of Heaven&quot; – The Aryan, or Indo-Iranian period – Important religious ideas common to the two peoples – The dual gods Varuna and Mitra – Ahura Mazda and Varuna – The conception of ''ṛta,'' or &quot;cosmic order&quot; – The Ādityas – Aditi, the mother of the Ādityas – Mitra, a sun god – The sun, the moon, and the planets – The Ādityas and Amesha Spentas – Early ethical concepts among the Indo-Europeans – Varuna and Greek Ouranos (Uranus) – The origin of man – Sundry parents of man – &quot;Father Manu&quot; – Yama and Yamī, the &quot;Twins&quot; – Interlacing of the myths of the first man – The human character of Manu and Yama – Yama, the god of the dead – Soma, the sacrificial drink of the gods – The myth of Soma and the Heavenly Eagle – Value of the preceding reconstructions
99-149

LECTURE THE FOURTH.

THE TRANSPARENT, TRANSLUCENT, AND OPAQUE GODS – RELIGIOUS CONCEPTIONS AND RELIGIOUS FEELING IN THE VEDA.

The transparent gods: their importance for the study of religion – Father Sky and Daughter Dawn – Sūrya, a god of the sun – Vāta and Vāyu, gods of wind – The most transparent god: Agni, Fire – Agni as the sacrifice fire – Prehistoric gods of fire – Birth and youth of Agni – Agni as god of the morning – New births of Agni – Agni on the altar, the agent of the gods – Priesthood and divinity of Agni – A hymn to Agni – Other myths of the Fire God – The translucent gods: definition of the term – God Vishnu – God Pūshan – God Indra, as an example of an opaque god – Traditional explanation of the myth of Indra and Vritra – Professor Hillebrandt's inter-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In order to make good this last statement, and at the same time by way of fore-taste of the Rig-Veda, I present here some stanzas of one of its finest hymns.&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 1. 113 in Professor A. A. Macdonell's translation, in his ''History of Sanskrit Literature,'' p. 83. I have taken the liberty of making a few slight alterations.&lt;/ref&gt; It is addressed to the goddess Ushas, Dawn personfied, whom the Vedic poets sing with special warmth and liking; the metre imitates the original:


This light hath come, of all the lights the fairest,
The brilliant brightness hath been born, far-shining,
Urged on to prompt the sun-god's shining power.
Night now hath yielded up her place to morning.

The sisters' pathway is the same unending,
Taught by the gods, alternately they tread it.
Fair-shaped, of different forms, and yet one-minded,
Night and Morning clash not, nor yet do linger.

Bright bringer of delights, Dawn shines effulgent,
Wide open she hath thrown for us her portals.
Arousing all the world, she shows us riches,
Dawn hath awakened every living creature.

'T is Heaven's Daughter hath appeared before us,
The maiden dazzling in her brilliant garments.
Thou sovereign mistress of all earthly treasure,
Auspicious Dawn, flash thou to-day upon us!&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Transparent, Translucent, and Opaque Gods. – Re1igious Conceptions and Religious Feeling in the Veda.


The transparent gods: their importance for the study of religion – Father Sky and Daughter Dawn – Sūrya, a god of the sun – Vāta and Vāyu, gods of wind – The most transparent god: Agni, Fire – Agni as the sacrifice fire – Prehistoric gods of fire – Birth and youth of Agni – Agni as god of the morning – New births of Agni – Agni on the altar, the agent of the gods – Priesthood and divinity of Agni – A hymn to Agni – Other myths of the Fire God – The translucent gods: definition of the term – God Vishnu – God Pūshan – God Indra, as an example of an opaque god – Traditional explanation of the myth of Indra and Vritra – Professor Hillebrandt's interpretation of the same myth – Renewed definition of the religion of the Rig-Veda – Renewed definition of Vedic practicalities – Conflicting prayers and sacrifices – The conception of faith – Faith related to Truth and Wisdom – Faith personified – Faith and works – The reward for faith postponed to heaven – Contrast between early &quot;faith&quot; (çraddha) and later &quot;devotion&quot; (bhakti) – &quot;Gift praises,&quot; another sop to the sacrificer – The religious feeling of the Rig-Veda. – The utilitarian sense – The glory of the gods. – Absence&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|150}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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FOR my part I always come to this theme in the spirit of scientific elation. You know from preceding statements what I mean by transparent gods. They are the gods who are at one and the same time nature object and person. In other words, they are mythic formations whose personification is arrested by the continued action and the vivid memory of the very qualities which lead to personification. Figuratively speaking, just when the chemical is about to precipitate or to crystalise into something unrecognisable, and far removed from its elements, it is shaken and dissolved anew. We are spared the labor of a qualitative and quantitative analysis. In the midst of the uncertainties and intricacies of this subject as a whole the assurance that these processes be renews the courage of the investigator. There is hope that out of the Babel of discordant opinions, many of them grown on the soil of just scepticism, the gods and the beliefs of ethnic religions will reveal their origins. I believe that, next to the Science of Language, the Science of Religion, is the clearest of mental or historical sciences, for the very reason that it is possible to&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Comparative mythology has influenced these studies profoundly by extending the field and the time within which we may carry on our observations. At the risk of seeming too insistent, let me point out once more, how it has spanned the distance between prehistoric &quot;Father Sky&quot; and the strenuous human personality of the Olympian Zeus of the poets. Now a visit to the Vedic Pantheon brings us into the very workshop where the gods are made.

We have encountered before some transparent gods. &quot;Father Sky&quot; (Dyaush Pitar), who comes from olden times, and does not grow in the Veda into anything like the personality of Greek Zeus Pater, but is there submerged by other formations that have gained ground at his expense. We have seen what his daughter Ushas is: Eternally young and beautiful, ageless in distinction from the withering race of man, she appears as a lovely maiden displaying her charms to the world. While doing this she caters at the same time to interests which are the reverse of poetic. She starts the day of sacrifice, her face set towards very practical performances. She secures rewards for pious men and their agents with the gods, namely the priests. Yet, on the whole, the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Next Sūrya (Sol, Helios) appears upon the stage. He is the Sun-God treated as transparently as possible. He is styled the son of Dyaus, the Father Sky; Dawn is his bride, or, in another mood, the Dawns are said to be his mothers. On a car drawn by seven tawny steeds, his course is guided by other great gods, the old Ādityas, Mitra, Varuna and Aryaman. Again, he is the eye of Mitra, Varuna, or Agni (Fire). He is the preserver and soul of all creation, of everything that stands or moves. Enlivened by him men pursue their vocations. He is far-seeing, man-beholding, takes note of the good and bad deeds of mortals. They in turn look up to him, rejoicing in the security and the inspiration which his light affords.

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Hymn to Sūrya

By lustrous heralds led on high,
The fire Sun ascends the sky;
His glory draweth every eye.

The stars which gleamed throughout the night,
Now scared, like thieves slink fast away,
Quenched by the splendor of thy ray.

Thy beams to men thy presence show;
Like blazing fires they seem to glow.

Conspicuous, rapid, source of light,
Thou makest all the welkin bright.

In sight of gods and mortal eyes,
In sight of heaven thou scalest the skies.

O fiery God, with thy keen eye,
Thou scannest, like God Varuna,
The doings of all busy men.

Thou stridest o'er the sky's broad space,
Thy rays do measure out our days;
Thine eye all living things surveys.

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Beholding upward soar to thee,
For there among the gods thy light
Supreme is seen, divinely bright.


And there are other gods, not a few, whose origin in nature is positively on the surface. So the two wind-gods Vāta and Vāyu, the former of whom, on the likely evidence of Teutonic Wotan-Odhin, is probably prehistoric. A good bit of profound human philosophy is contained in the mere fact that Vāta is described as a real person in language such as that of the following hymn,&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 10.168, reproduced with some changes from Professor Hopkins's translation, ''The Religions of India,'' p. 88.&lt;/ref&gt; and that he may finally be invited to partake of oblations:


Hymn to Vāta

Now Vāta's chariot's greatness! Breaking goes it,
And thunderous is its noise. To heaven it touches,
Makes light lurid, and whirls the dust upon the earth.

Then rush together all the blasts of Vāta:
To him they come as women to their trysting;
With them conjoint, on the same chariot travelling,
Hastes the god, the king of all creation.

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The breath of gods and source of life is Vāta.
This god doth journey whithersoe'er he listeth,
His sound is heard but no one sees his figure.
With our oblation let us this Vāta honor!


But there is one figure that looms far above all others in ancient Hindu religious history from Veda to Mahābhārata, as the classical illustration of how a phenomenon of nature may be itself and personal god at one and the same time. It is the god Agni, &quot;Fire,&quot; who is element and god at the beginning and remains so to the end. Richard Wagner adopts in the Nibelungen tetralogy the doubtful interpretation of the Norse god Loge (Loki) as fire; Wotan calls upon this red-haired, impish god to appear when he wishes to hedge with fire his erring child Brunhilde. This is interesting, because it shows how even the modern poetic fancy may get itself to bridge over, uncritically, as behooves the poet, the great gap that is between the reality of nature and the unstable speculation of myth-makers. Native Hindu theologians in their scholastic mood find time to worry over the fact that a god like Agni can be devouring element and intelligent god at one and the same time. Even the Epic poet in the Mahābhārata&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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XL. Now, as to the evil of being deaf. M. Crassus was a little thick of hearing; but it was more uneasiness to him that he heard himself ill spoken of, though, in my opinion, he did not deserve it. Our Epicureans cannot understand Greek, nor the Greeks Latin: now, they are deaf reciprocally as to each other’s language, and we are all truly deaf with regard to those innumerable languages which we do not understand. They do not hear the voice of the harper; but, then, they do not hear the grating of a saw when it is setting, or the grunting of a hog when his
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Module:Author</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>2201304</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15143433</id>
      <parentid>15124600</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T20:02:34Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>make workperiod override unknown dates</comment>
      <origin>15143433</origin>
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      <text bytes="35529" sha1="0l02gcg9sdqfh9332dn0fpzv929du1h" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

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-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

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-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

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-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

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-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotFloruit = birthyear
		and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotFloruit = deathyear
		and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if (birthNotFloruit and birthyear ~= '?') or (deathNotFloruit and deathyear ~= '?') or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotFloruit and deathyear and not deathNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotFloruit and birthyear and not birthNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

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-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

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-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

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local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

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-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

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-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

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-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

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    <title>Module:Author/testcases</title>
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      <text bytes="8888" sha1="bhsqz0g1jpqs6rn61y8dxxcmy5477pw" xml:space="preserve">-- Unit tests for [[Module:Author]]. Click talk page to run tests.
local p = require('Module:UnitTests')
local Author = require('Module:Author')

function p:test_dates_supplied()
	-- No dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates}}', '', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates, but also birth and death dates (for categories).
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates|birthyear=1904|deathyear=1960s}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact years (both)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=|birthyear=1810|deathyear=1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810–1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth year and approximate death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1810|deathyear=c./1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810 – c. 1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Approximate birth year and unknown death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=ca/1810|deathyear=?}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1810 – ?)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Multiple birth dates.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1932/1933|deathyear=|wikidata-id=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1932/1933–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_dates_wikidata()
	-- Both dates exact to the day.
	local janeAusten = 'Q36322'
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=|deathyear=|dates=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
	-- Dates not matching.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata_id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=1900}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1900–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (1770-1817)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (mechanic)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local helenaFenwickDale = 'Q20204408'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. helenaFenwickDale .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1854 – 20th century)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Unknown birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local johnBarr = 'Q16004141'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. johnBarr .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(? – 20th century)]', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Multiple dates of birth. [[Author:David]]
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q41370}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1039 BCE – 969 BCE)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Multiple death dates in the same year
    local johnKnox = 'Q189937'
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id='.. johnKnox .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1514 – 1572)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Living person.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q6279}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1942–)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- No dates provided.  Manu (Q178744, first human being in Hindu tradition). Only humans are called 'living' by default.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q178744}}', '', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- 4th century dates, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q782401}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(4th century)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit (with birth and death dates = 'unknown').
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28585286}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1735)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit with no death date.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q241132}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. c. 509 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- First century BCE, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q670317}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1st century BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28811762}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1900s)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Multiple floruit dates.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q55222075}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1875–1915)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Floruit date more than 110 years ago and no death date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56438002}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1521)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Mixing normal birth and floruit (no death or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q888664}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(b. 4th millennium BCE – fl. 3200 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Mixing normal death and floruit (no birth or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q722124}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 750 BCE – d. 716 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Work period end/start, with no floruit, birth or death. TODO: find authors that have one but not the others.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56612310}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1746–1764)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period with start and no end. (this item is not a human, but it has the properties we want)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q699313}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1212–?)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Same for end and no start (not a humain either)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q216486}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. ?–2012)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding fl
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q115804659}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Living author
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q34660}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1965–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_date()
	-- Supplied years.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820}}', '1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=c./1820}}', 'c. 1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820s}}', '1820s')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820/?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1932/1933}}', '1932/1933')
	
	-- Approximate birth date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=Q4767333}}', '19th century')
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=death|wikidata-id=Q563504}}', '17th century BCE')

	-- Multiple dates of birth, [[Author:Alain de Lille]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q4313|type=birth}}', '1110s/1114/1115')
	
	-- Exact death date, [[Author:Jane Austen]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q36322|type=death}}', '1817')
	
	-- Empty death date for living (JK Rowling)
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q34660|type=death}}', '')
	
    -- Empty wikidata-id parameter.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=}}', '')
end

--[=[
Simple test for the wikicode string
]=]
function p:test_categories_wikicode()
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q1103678}}',
		'[[Category:1905 births]][[Category:1960 deaths]][[Category:Anthropologists as authors]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Author pages without image]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Kl]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Sociologists as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q369724}}',
		'[[Category:1928 births]][[Category:Atheist authors]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors with missing death dates]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Le]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Living authors]][[Category:Lyricists as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Mathematicians as authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Pianists as authors]][[Category:Singers as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q474235}}',
		'[[Category:1799 births]][[Category:1888 deaths]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Al]][[Category:Early modern authors]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Philosophers as authors]][[Category:Transcendentalist authors]][[Category:United States authors]][[Category:authors in EB1911]]',
		{nowiki=1})
end

return p</text>
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      <comment>new test for ?</comment>
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      <text bytes="9050" sha1="52aan8uja7uesw93r9c3269lq3lshme" xml:space="preserve">-- Unit tests for [[Module:Author]]. Click talk page to run tests.
local p = require('Module:UnitTests')
local Author = require('Module:Author')

function p:test_dates_supplied()
	-- No dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates}}', '', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates, but also birth and death dates (for categories).
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates|birthyear=1904|deathyear=1960s}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact years (both)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=|birthyear=1810|deathyear=1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810–1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth year and approximate death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1810|deathyear=c./1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810 – c. 1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Approximate birth year and unknown death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=ca/1810|deathyear=?}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1810 – ?)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Multiple birth dates.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1932/1933|deathyear=|wikidata-id=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1932/1933–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_dates_wikidata()
	-- Both dates exact to the day.
	local janeAusten = 'Q36322'
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=|deathyear=|dates=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
	-- Dates not matching.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata_id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=1900}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1900–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (1770-1817)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (mechanic)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local helenaFenwickDale = 'Q20204408'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. helenaFenwickDale .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1854 – 20th century)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Unknown birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local johnBarr = 'Q16004141'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. johnBarr .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(? – 20th century)]', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Multiple dates of birth. [[Author:David]]
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q41370}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1039 BCE – 969 BCE)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Multiple death dates in the same year
    local johnKnox = 'Q189937'
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id='.. johnKnox .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1514 – 1572)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Living person.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q6279}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1942–)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- No dates provided.  Manu (Q178744, first human being in Hindu tradition). Only humans are called 'living' by default.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q178744}}', '', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- 4th century dates, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q782401}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(4th century)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit (with birth and death dates = 'unknown').
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28585286}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1735)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit with no death date.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q241132}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. c. 509 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- First century BCE, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q670317}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1st century BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28811762}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1900s)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Multiple floruit dates.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q55222075}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1875–1915)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Floruit date more than 110 years ago and no death date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56438002}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1521)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Mixing normal birth and floruit (no death or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q888664}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(b. 4th millennium BCE – fl. 3200 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Mixing normal death and floruit (no birth or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q722124}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 750 BCE – d. 716 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Work period end/start, with no floruit, birth or death. TODO: find authors that have one but not the others.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56612310}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1746–1764)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period with start and no end. (this item is not a human, but it has the properties we want)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q699313}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1212–?)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Same for end and no start (not a humain either)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q216486}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. ?–2012)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding fl
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q115804659}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding '?' (unknown) birth and death
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata=id=Q446631}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1359–1368)')
    
    -- Living author
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q34660}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1965–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_date()
	-- Supplied years.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820}}', '1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=c./1820}}', 'c. 1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820s}}', '1820s')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820/?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1932/1933}}', '1932/1933')
	
	-- Approximate birth date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=Q4767333}}', '19th century')
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=death|wikidata-id=Q563504}}', '17th century BCE')

	-- Multiple dates of birth, [[Author:Alain de Lille]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q4313|type=birth}}', '1110s/1114/1115')
	
	-- Exact death date, [[Author:Jane Austen]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q36322|type=death}}', '1817')
	
	-- Empty death date for living (JK Rowling)
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q34660|type=death}}', '')
	
    -- Empty wikidata-id parameter.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=}}', '')
end

--[=[
Simple test for the wikicode string
]=]
function p:test_categories_wikicode()
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q1103678}}',
		'[[Category:1905 births]][[Category:1960 deaths]][[Category:Anthropologists as authors]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Author pages without image]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Kl]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Sociologists as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q369724}}',
		'[[Category:1928 births]][[Category:Atheist authors]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors with missing death dates]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Le]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Living authors]][[Category:Lyricists as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Mathematicians as authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Pianists as authors]][[Category:Singers as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q474235}}',
		'[[Category:1799 births]][[Category:1888 deaths]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Al]][[Category:Early modern authors]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Philosophers as authors]][[Category:Transcendentalist authors]][[Category:United States authors]][[Category:authors in EB1911]]',
		{nowiki=1})
end

return p</text>
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      <text bytes="9062" sha1="jy36t26lbarvnxvhswxm8jwpppzwxtf" xml:space="preserve">-- Unit tests for [[Module:Author]]. Click talk page to run tests.
local p = require('Module:UnitTests')
local Author = require('Module:Author')

function p:test_dates_supplied()
	-- No dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates}}', '', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates, but also birth and death dates (for categories).
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates|birthyear=1904|deathyear=1960s}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact years (both)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=|birthyear=1810|deathyear=1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810–1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth year and approximate death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1810|deathyear=c./1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810 – c. 1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Approximate birth year and unknown death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=ca/1810|deathyear=?}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1810 – ?)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Multiple birth dates.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1932/1933|deathyear=|wikidata-id=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1932/1933–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_dates_wikidata()
	-- Both dates exact to the day.
	local janeAusten = 'Q36322'
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=|deathyear=|dates=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
	-- Dates not matching.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata_id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=1900}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1900–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (1770-1817)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (mechanic)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local helenaFenwickDale = 'Q20204408'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. helenaFenwickDale .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1854 – 20th century)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Unknown birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local johnBarr = 'Q16004141'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. johnBarr .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(? – 20th century)]', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Multiple dates of birth. [[Author:David]]
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q41370}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1039 BCE – 969 BCE)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Multiple death dates in the same year
    local johnKnox = 'Q189937'
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id='.. johnKnox .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1514 – 1572)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Living person.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q6279}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1942–)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- No dates provided.  Manu (Q178744, first human being in Hindu tradition). Only humans are called 'living' by default.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q178744}}', '', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- 4th century dates, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q782401}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(4th century)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit (with birth and death dates = 'unknown').
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28585286}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1735)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit with no death date.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q241132}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. c. 509 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- First century BCE, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q670317}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1st century BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28811762}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1900s)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Multiple floruit dates.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q55222075}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1875–1915)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Floruit date more than 110 years ago and no death date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56438002}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1521)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Mixing normal birth and floruit (no death or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q888664}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(b. 4th millennium BCE – fl. 3200 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Mixing normal death and floruit (no birth or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q722124}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 750 BCE – d. 716 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Work period end/start, with no floruit, birth or death. TODO: find authors that have one but not the others.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56612310}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1746–1764)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period with start and no end. (this item is not a human, but it has the properties we want)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q699313}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1212–?)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Same for end and no start (not a humain either)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q216486}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. ?–2012)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding fl
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q115804659}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding '?' (unknown) birth and death
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata=id=Q446631}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1359–1368)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Living author
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q34660}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1965–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_date()
	-- Supplied years.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820}}', '1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=c./1820}}', 'c. 1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820s}}', '1820s')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820/?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1932/1933}}', '1932/1933')
	
	-- Approximate birth date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=Q4767333}}', '19th century')
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=death|wikidata-id=Q563504}}', '17th century BCE')

	-- Multiple dates of birth, [[Author:Alain de Lille]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q4313|type=birth}}', '1110s/1114/1115')
	
	-- Exact death date, [[Author:Jane Austen]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q36322|type=death}}', '1817')
	
	-- Empty death date for living (JK Rowling)
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q34660|type=death}}', '')
	
    -- Empty wikidata-id parameter.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=}}', '')
end

--[=[
Simple test for the wikicode string
]=]
function p:test_categories_wikicode()
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q1103678}}',
		'[[Category:1905 births]][[Category:1960 deaths]][[Category:Anthropologists as authors]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Author pages without image]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Kl]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Sociologists as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q369724}}',
		'[[Category:1928 births]][[Category:Atheist authors]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors with missing death dates]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Le]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Living authors]][[Category:Lyricists as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Mathematicians as authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Pianists as authors]][[Category:Singers as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q474235}}',
		'[[Category:1799 births]][[Category:1888 deaths]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Al]][[Category:Early modern authors]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Philosophers as authors]][[Category:Transcendentalist authors]][[Category:United States authors]][[Category:authors in EB1911]]',
		{nowiki=1})
end

return p</text>
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      <text bytes="9175" sha1="furwnmadns2rnv5oaj15n8fx505yt99" xml:space="preserve">-- Unit tests for [[Module:Author]]. Click talk page to run tests.
local p = require('Module:UnitTests')
local Author = require('Module:Author')

function p:test_dates_supplied()
	-- No dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates}}', '', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates, but also birth and death dates (for categories).
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates|birthyear=1904|deathyear=1960s}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact years (both)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=|birthyear=1810|deathyear=1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810–1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth year and approximate death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1810|deathyear=c./1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810 – c. 1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Approximate birth year and unknown death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=ca/1810|deathyear=?}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1810 – ?)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Multiple birth dates.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1932/1933|deathyear=|wikidata-id=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1932/1933–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_dates_wikidata()
	-- Both dates exact to the day.
	local janeAusten = 'Q36322'
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=|deathyear=|dates=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
	-- Dates not matching.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata_id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=1900}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1900–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (1770-1817)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (mechanic)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local helenaFenwickDale = 'Q20204408'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. helenaFenwickDale .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1854 – 20th century)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Unknown birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local johnBarr = 'Q16004141'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. johnBarr .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(? – 20th century)]', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Multiple dates of birth. [[Author:David]]
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q41370}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1039 BCE – 969 BCE)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Multiple death dates in the same year
    local johnKnox = 'Q189937'
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id='.. johnKnox .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1514 – 1572)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Living person.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q6279}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1942–)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- No dates provided.  Manu (Q178744, first human being in Hindu tradition). Only humans are called 'living' by default.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q178744}}', '', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- 4th century dates, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q782401}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(4th century)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit (with birth and death dates = 'unknown').
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28585286}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1735)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit with no death date.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q241132}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. c. 509 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- First century BCE, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q670317}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1st century BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28811762}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1900s)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Multiple floruit dates.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q55222075}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1875–1915)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Floruit date more than 110 years ago and no death date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56438002}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1521)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Mixing normal birth and floruit (no death or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q888664}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(b. 4th millennium BCE – fl. 3200 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Mixing normal death and floruit (no birth or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q722124}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 750 BCE – d. 716 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Work period end/start, with no floruit, birth or death. TODO: find authors that have one but not the others.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56612310}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1746–1764)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period with start and no end. (this item is not a human, but it has the properties we want)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q699313}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1212–?)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Same for end and no start (not a human either)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q216486}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. ?–2012)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding fl
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q115804659}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding '?' (unknown) birth and death
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q446631}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata=id=Q446631}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1359–1368)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Living author
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q34660}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1965–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_date()
	-- Supplied years.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820}}', '1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=c./1820}}', 'c. 1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820s}}', '1820s')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820/?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1932/1933}}', '1932/1933')
	
	-- Approximate birth date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=Q4767333}}', '19th century')
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=death|wikidata-id=Q563504}}', '17th century BCE')

	-- Multiple dates of birth, [[Author:Alain de Lille]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q4313|type=birth}}', '1110s/1114/1115')
	
	-- Exact death date, [[Author:Jane Austen]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q36322|type=death}}', '1817')
	
	-- Empty death date for living (JK Rowling)
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q34660|type=death}}', '')
	
    -- Empty wikidata-id parameter.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=}}', '')
end

--[=[
Simple test for the wikicode string
]=]
function p:test_categories_wikicode()
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q1103678}}',
		'[[Category:1905 births]][[Category:1960 deaths]][[Category:Anthropologists as authors]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Author pages without image]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Kl]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Sociologists as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q369724}}',
		'[[Category:1928 births]][[Category:Atheist authors]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors with missing death dates]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Le]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Living authors]][[Category:Lyricists as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Mathematicians as authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Pianists as authors]][[Category:Singers as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q474235}}',
		'[[Category:1799 births]][[Category:1888 deaths]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Al]][[Category:Early modern authors]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Philosophers as authors]][[Category:Transcendentalist authors]][[Category:United States authors]][[Category:authors in EB1911]]',
		{nowiki=1})
end

return p</text>
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      <text bytes="9061" sha1="l9pq1rfja7b56xb0qba3cxzqj279rnx" xml:space="preserve">-- Unit tests for [[Module:Author]]. Click talk page to run tests.
local p = require('Module:UnitTests')
local Author = require('Module:Author')

function p:test_dates_supplied()
	-- No dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates}}', '', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Manual dates, but also birth and death dates (for categories).
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=Manual dates|birthyear=1904|deathyear=1960s}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(Manual dates)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact years (both)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|dates=|birthyear=1810|deathyear=1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810–1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth year and approximate death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1810|deathyear=c./1890}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1810 – c. 1890)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Approximate birth year and unknown death year
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=ca/1810|deathyear=?}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1810 – ?)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Multiple birth dates.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|birthyear=1932/1933|deathyear=|wikidata-id=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1932/1933–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_dates_wikidata()
	-- Both dates exact to the day.
	local janeAusten = 'Q36322'
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=|deathyear=|dates=}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
	-- Dates not matching.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata_id=' .. janeAusten .. '|birthyear=1900}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1900–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (1770-1817)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. janeAusten .. '|pagetitle=Jane Austen (mechanic)}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1775–1817)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Exact birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local helenaFenwickDale = 'Q20204408'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. helenaFenwickDale .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1854 – 20th century)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Unknown birth, century-only death.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- local johnBarr = 'Q16004141'
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=' .. johnBarr .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(? – 20th century)]', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- Multiple dates of birth. [[Author:David]]
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q41370}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1039 BCE – 969 BCE)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Multiple death dates in the same year
    local johnKnox = 'Q189937'
    self:preprocess_equals( '{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id='.. johnKnox .. '}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(c. 1514 – 1572)', {nowiki=1} )
    
	-- Living person.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q6279}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1942–)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- No dates provided.  Manu (Q178744, first human being in Hindu tradition). Only humans are called 'living' by default.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q178744}}', '', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- 4th century dates, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q782401}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(4th century)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit (with birth and death dates = 'unknown').
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28585286}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1735)', {nowiki=1})
    
	-- Floruit with no death date.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q241132}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. c. 509 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
	
	-- First century BCE, where birth and death are the same.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q670317}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1st century BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q28811762}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1900s)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Multiple floruit dates.
	-- FIXME: Wikidata item is no longer representative
	-- self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q55222075}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1875–1915)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Floruit date more than 110 years ago and no death date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56438002}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1521)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Mixing normal birth and floruit (no death or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q888664}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(b. 4th millennium BCE – fl. 3200 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Mixing normal death and floruit (no birth or work period)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q722124}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 750 BCE – d. 716 BCE)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Work period end/start, with no floruit, birth or death. TODO: find authors that have one but not the others.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q56612310}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1746–1764)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period with start and no end. (this item is not a human, but it has the properties we want)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q699313}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1212–?)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Same for end and no start (not a human either)
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q216486}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. ?–2012)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding fl
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q115804659}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1852–1870)', {nowiki=1})
    -- Work period overriding '?' (unknown) birth and death
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q446631}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(fl. 1359–1368)', {nowiki=1})
    
    -- Living author
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|dates|wikidata-id=Q34660}}', '&lt;br /&gt;(1965–)', {nowiki=1})
end

function p:test_date()
	-- Supplied years.
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820}}', '1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=c./1820}}', 'c. 1820')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820s}}', '1820s')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1820/?}}', '1820?')
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|year=1932/1933}}', '1932/1933')
	
	-- Approximate birth date.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=Q4767333}}', '19th century')
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=death|wikidata-id=Q563504}}', '17th century BCE')

	-- Multiple dates of birth, [[Author:Alain de Lille]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q4313|type=birth}}', '1110s/1114/1115')
	
	-- Exact death date, [[Author:Jane Austen]].
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q36322|type=death}}', '1817')
	
	-- Empty death date for living (JK Rowling)
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|wikidata-id=Q34660|type=death}}', '')
	
    -- Empty wikidata-id parameter.
    self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|date|type=birth|wikidata-id=}}', '')
end

--[=[
Simple test for the wikicode string
]=]
function p:test_categories_wikicode()
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q1103678}}',
		'[[Category:1905 births]][[Category:1960 deaths]][[Category:Anthropologists as authors]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Author pages without image]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Kl]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Sociologists as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q369724}}',
		'[[Category:1928 births]][[Category:Atheist authors]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors with missing death dates]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Le]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Living authors]][[Category:Lyricists as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Mathematicians as authors]][[Category:Modern authors]][[Category:Pianists as authors]][[Category:Singers as authors]][[Category:United States authors]]',
		{nowiki=1})
	self:preprocess_equals('{{#invoke:Author|getCategories|wikidata-id=Q474235}}',
		'[[Category:1799 births]][[Category:1888 deaths]][[Category:Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories]][[Category:Author pages with Wikidata image]][[Category:Author pages with gender in Wikidata]][[Category:Authors without initials]][[Category:Authors-Al]][[Category:Early modern authors]][[Category:Educators as authors]][[Category:Male authors]][[Category:Philosophers as authors]][[Category:Transcendentalist authors]][[Category:United States authors]][[Category:authors in EB1911]]',
		{nowiki=1})
end

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    <title>Author:Donald John Trump/Executive orders</title>
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      <contributor>
        <username>KINGDM76</username>
        <id>3106247</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* 2025 */</comment>
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      <text bytes="116127" sha1="lgmzpcw90v6557wiih2vx8iezkxquuy" xml:space="preserve">{{Author subpage|notes={{RunningHeader|← [[Author:Barack Obama/Executive orders|Executive Orders of Barack Obama]]&lt;br&gt;← [[Author:Joseph Robinette Biden/Executive orders|Executive Orders of Joe Biden]]||[[Author:Joseph Robinette Biden/Executive orders|Executive Orders of Joe Biden]]→}} The following list includes executive orders delivered by [[Author:Donald John Trump|Donald John Trump]].  See [[#2025]] at bottom of the list for those delivered in his second term. ''See also [[:Category:Executive orders of Donald John Trump]]''.}}
[[File:Donald Trump Signature.svg|Signature of Donald Trump|160px|thumb]]
{| style=&quot;float:right&quot;
|'''Administration of Donald John Trump (January&amp;nbsp;20, 2017&amp;nbsp;–&amp;nbsp;January&amp;nbsp;20, 2021 and January&amp;nbsp;20, 2025 to present)'''
* 230 total Executive Orders issued, 220 in the first term and 38 in the second&lt;!--38 per Federal register as of 2025-01-31; 37 as of 2025-01-28, per https://www.npr.org/2025/01/28/nx-s1-5276293/trump-executive-orders, not all have been added here--&gt;
* Range (1st term): Executive Order 13765–13984
* Range (2nd term): Executive Order 14147–''present''
|}
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== 2017 ==

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!  style=&quot;width:2%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0.5ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;&gt;E.O. No.&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 5ex; float:left;&quot;&gt;Subject&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;82 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13765|13765]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8351–8352&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13766|13766]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Expediting Environmental Reviews and Approvals for High Priority Infrastructure Projects
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8657–6858&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13767|13767]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8793–8797&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13768|13768]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8799–8803&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13769|13769]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8977–8982&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13770|13770]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Regarding Ethics Commitments by Executive Appointees
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9333–9338&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13771|13771]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9339–9341&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13772|13772]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Core Principles for Regulating the United States Financial System
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9965–9966&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13773|13773]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enforcing Federal Law with Respect to Transnational Criminal Organizations and Preventing International Trafficking
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10691–10693&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13774|13774]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Preventing Violence Against Federal, State, Tribal, and Local Law Enforcement Officers
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10695–10696&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13775|13775]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10697–10698&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13776|13776]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10699–10700&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13777|13777]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enforcing the Regulatory Reform Agenda
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12285–12287&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13778|13778]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring the Rule of Law, Federalism, and Economic Growth by Reviewing the &quot;Waters of the United States&quot; Rule
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12497–12498&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13779|13779]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | The White House Initiative to Promote Excellence and Innovation at Historically Black Colleges and Universities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12499–12502&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13780|13780]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States (revision of 13769)
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13209–13219&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13781|13781]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Comprehensive Plan for Reorganizing the Executive Branch
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13959–13960&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13782|13782]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revocation of Federal Contracting Executive Orders
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15607&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13783|13783]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Energy Independence and Economic Growth
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16093–16097&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13784|13784]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the President’s Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16283–16285&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13785|13785]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing Enhanced Collection and Enforcement of Antidumping and Countervailing Duties and Violations of Trade and Customs Laws
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16719–16720&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13786|13786]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Regarding the Omnibus Report on Significant Trade Deficits
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16721–16722&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13787|13787]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16723–16724&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13788|13788]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Buy American and Hire American
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18837–18839&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13789|13789]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;19317–19318&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13790|13790]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Agriculture and Rural Prosperity in America
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20237–20239&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13791|13791]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enforcing Statutory Prohibitions on Federal Control of Education
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20427–20428&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13792|13792]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Review of Designations Under the Antiquities Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20429–20431&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13793|13793]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Accountability and Whistleblower Protection at the Department of Veterans Affairs
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20539–20540&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13794|13794]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the American Technology Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20811–20813&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13795|13795]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Implementing an America-First Offshore Energy Strategy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20815–20818&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13796|13796]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Trade Agreement Violations and Abuses
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20819–20820&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13797|13797]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20821–20822&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13798|13798]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Free Speech and Religious Liberty
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;21675–21676&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13799|13799]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22389–22390&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13800|13800]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening the Cybersecurity of Federal Networks and Critical Infrastructure
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22391–22397&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13801|13801]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Expanding Apprenticeships in America
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;28229–28232&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13802|13802]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment of Executive Order 13597
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;28747–28748&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13803|13803]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revival of the National Space Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;31429–31432&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13804|13804]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment of Executive Order 13761
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;32611–32612&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13805|13805]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing a Presidential Advisory Council on Infrastructure
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;34383–34385&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13806|13806]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;34597–34599&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13807|13807]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing Discipline and Accountability in the Environmental Review and Permitting Process for Infrastructure
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;40463–40469&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13808|13808]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Additional Sanctions With Respect to the Situation in Venezuela
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;41155–41156&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13809|13809]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring State, Tribal, and Local Law Enforcement's Access to Life-Saving Equipment and Resources
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;41499–41500&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13810|13810]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sept. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Additional Sanctions with Respect to North Korea
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;44705–44709&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13811|13811]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sept. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;46363&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13812|13812]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sept. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revocations of Executive Order Creating Labor-Management Forums
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;46367&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13813|13813]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Healthcare Choice and Competition Across the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;48385&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13814|13814]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amending Executive Order 13223
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;49273&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13815|13815]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Resuming the United States Refugee Admissions Program with Enhanced Vetting Capabilities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;50055–50058&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13816|13816]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revising the Seal for the National Credit Union Administration
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;58701&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13817|13817]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | A Federal Strategy To Ensure Secure and Reliable Supplies of Critical Minerals
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;60835&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13818|13818]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;60839&lt;/span&gt;
|-class=&quot;ROW&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13819|13819]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 22
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;61431&lt;/span&gt;
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;(55 Executive Orders issued total&lt;ref&gt;{{citation |title=2017 Donald Trump Executive Orders |url=https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders/donald-trump/2017|work=[[|w:Federal Register|Federal Register]]|publisher=[[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]]|location=[[w:Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]|accessdate=2017-12-28}}&lt;/ref&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;
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== 2018 ==

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! colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; padding: 2px 1ex; background-color:#ccccff;color: #202122;white-space:nowrap&quot;|&lt;span class=&quot;noprint&quot; style=&quot;float:left;&quot;&gt;[[WS:USEO]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;float:right;&quot;&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[Index:Title 3 CFR 2018 Compilation.djvu|3 CFR, 2018 Comp.]] &lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:1.2em;&quot;&gt;2018 · E.O. 13820–13856&lt;/span&gt;
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!  style=&quot;width:2%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0.5ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;&gt;E.O. No.&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 5ex; float:left;&quot;&gt;Subject&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;83 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13820|13820]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Termination of Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;969&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13821|13821]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Streamlining and Expediting Requests To Locate Broadband Facilities in Rural America
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;1507&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13822|13822]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Supporting Our Veterans During Their Transition From Uniformed Service to Civilian Life
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;1513-1514&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13823|13823]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting America Through Lawful Detention of Terrorists
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;4831&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13824|13824]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8923&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13825|13825]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | 2018 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9889&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13826|13826]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Federal Interagency Council on Crime Prevention and Improving Reentry {{ssl|Executive Order 13826.pdf}}
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10771&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13827|13827]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Taking Additional Steps to Address the Situation in Venezuela
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12469&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13828|13828]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reducing Poverty in America by Promoting Opportunity and Economic Mobility
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15941&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13829|13829]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Task Force on the United States Postal System {{ssl|Executive Order 13829.pdf}}
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17281&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13830|13830]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Delegation of Authority To Approve Certain Military Decorations
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18191&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13831|13831]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of a White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative	
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20715&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13832|13832]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enhancing Noncompetitive Civil Service Appointments of Military Spouses	
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22343&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13833|13833]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enhancing the Effectiveness of Agency Chief Information Officers	
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;23345&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13834|13834]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 17
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Efficient Federal Operations	
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;23771&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13835|13835]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Prohibiting Certain Additional Transactions With Respect to Venezuela		
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;24001&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13836|13836]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Developing Efficient, Effective, and Cost- Reducing Approaches To Federal Sector Collective Bargaining
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;25329&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13837|13837]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Transparency, Accountability, and Efficiency in Taxpayer-Funded Union Time Use
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;25335&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13838|13838]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Exemption From Executive Order 13658 for Recreational Services on Federal Lands
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;25341&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13839|13839]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 25 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Accountability and Streamlining Removal Procedures Consistent With Merit System Principles
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;25343&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13840|13840]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ocean Policy To Advance the Economic, Security, and Environmental Interests of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;29431&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13841|13841]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 22
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | OAffording Congress an Opportunity To Address Family Separatio
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;29435&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13842|13842]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing an Exception to Competitive Examining Rules for Appointment to Certain Positions in the United States Marshals Service, Department of Justice
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;32753&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13843|13843]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Excepting Administrative Law Judges From the Competitive Service
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;32755&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13844|13844]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Task Force on Market Integrity and Consumer Fraud
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;33115&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13845|13845]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the President's National Council for the American Worker
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;35099&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13846|13846]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 06
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reimposing Certain Sanctions With Respect to Iran
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;38939&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13847|13847]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening Retirement Security in America
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;45321&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13848|13848]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sept. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;46843&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13849|13849]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sept. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Authorizing the Implementation of Certain Sanctions Set Forth in the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;48195&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13850|13850]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Nov. 01
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;55243&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13851|13851]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Nov. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;61505&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13852|13852]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 01
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing for the Closing of Executive Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government on December 5, 2018
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;62687&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13853|13853]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;65071&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13854|13854]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing for the Closing of Executive Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government on December 24, 2018
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;65481&lt;/span&gt;
|- style=&quot;vertical-align:bottom&quot;
!
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!
!  style=&quot;width:10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;84 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13855|13855]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Active Management of America's Forests, Rangelands, and Other Federal Lands To Improve Conditions and Reduce Wildfire Risk
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;45&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13856|13856]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;65&lt;/span&gt;
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;(37 Executive Orders issued total&lt;ref&gt;{{citation |author=[[w:Office of the Federal Register|Office of the Federal Register]]|title=2018 Donald Trump Executive Orders|url=https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders/donald-trump/2018|work=[[|w:Federal Register|Federal Register]]|publisher=[[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]]|location=[[w:Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]|access-date=2019-05-05}}.&lt;/ref&gt;). &lt;/div&gt;
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== 2019 ==

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! colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; padding: 2px 1ex; background-color:#ccccff;color: #202122;white-space:nowrap;&quot;|&lt;span class=&quot;noprint&quot; style=&quot;float:left;&quot;&gt;[[WS:USEO]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;float:right;&quot;&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[Index:Title 3 CFR 2019 Compilation.djvu|3 CFR, 2019 Comp.]] &lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:1.2em;&quot;&gt;2019 · E.O. 13857–13901&lt;/span&gt;
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{|  class=&quot;table&quot; width=&quot;100%&quot; style=&quot;margin:0ex auto 0ex auto; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;
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!  style=&quot;width:2%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0.5ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;&gt;E.O. No.&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 5ex; float:left;&quot;&gt;Subject&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:=10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;84 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13857|13857]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Taking Additional Steps To Address the National Emergency With Respect to Venezuela
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;509&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13858|13858]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening Buy-American Preferences for Infrastructure Projects
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;2039&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13859|13859]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Maintaining American Leadership in Artificial Intelligence
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;3967&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13860|13860]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 04
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Supporting the Transition of Active Duty Service Members and Military Veterans Into the Merchant Marine
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8407&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13861|13861]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 05
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | National Roadmap to Empower Veterans and End Suicide
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8585&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13862|13862]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 06
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revocation of Reporting Requirement
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8789&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13863|13863]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency With Respect to Significant Transnational Criminal Organizations
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10255&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13864|13864]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Free Inquiry, Transparency, and Accountability at Colleges and Universities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11401&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13865|13865]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Coordinating National Resilience to Electromagnetic Pulses
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12041&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13866|13866]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;12853&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13867|13867]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Issuance of Permits With Respect to Facilities and Land Transportation Crossings at the International Boundaries of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15491&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13868|13868]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Energy Infrastructure and Economic Growth
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15495&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13869|13869]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Transferring Responsibility for Background Investigations to the Department of Defense
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18125&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13870|13870]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May. 02
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | America's Cybersecurity Workforce
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20523&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13871|13871]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May. 08
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Sanctions With Respect to the Iron, Steel, Aluminum, and Copper Sectors of Iran
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20761&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13872|13872]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Economic Empowerment of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22321&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13873|13873]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Securing the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22689&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13874|13874]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;27899&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13875|13875]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Evaluating and Improving the Utility of Federal Advisory Committees
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;28711&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13876|13876]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Sanctions With Respect to Iran
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;30573&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13877|13877]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Price and Quality Transparency in American Healthcare To Put Patients First
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;30849&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13878|13878]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing a White House Council on Eliminating Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;30853&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13879|13879]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jul. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Advancing American Kidney Health
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;33817&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13880|13880]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jul. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Collecting Information About Citizenship Status in Connection With the Decennial Census
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;33821&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13881|13881]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jul. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Maximizing Use of American-Made Goods, Products, and Materials
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;34257&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13882|13882]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jul. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Mali
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;37055&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13883|13883]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 01
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Administration of Proliferation Sanctions and Amendment of Executive Order 12851
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;38113&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13884|13884]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 05
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property of the Government of Venezuela
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;38843&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13885|13885]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the National Quantum Initiative Advisory Committee
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;46873&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13886|13886]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 09
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing Sanctions To Combat Terrorism
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;48041&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13887|13887]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing Influenza Vaccines in the United States to Promote National Security and Public Health
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;49935&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13888|13888]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enhancing State and Local Involvement in Refugee Resettlement
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;52355&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13889|13889]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;52743&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13890|13890]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 03
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting and Improving Medicare for Our Nation's Seniors
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;53573&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13891|13891]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 09
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting the Rule of Law Through Improved Agency Guidance Documents
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;55235&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13892|13892]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 09
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting the Rule of Law Through Transparency and Fairness in Civil Administrative Enforcement and Adjudication
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;55239&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13893|13893]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Increasing Government Accountability for Administrative Actions by Reinvigorating Administrative PAYGO
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;55487&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13894|13894]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Syria
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;55851&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13895|13895]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 22
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;57309&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13896|13896]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;58595&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13897|13897]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Federal Contractor Operations by Revoking Executive Order 13495 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;59709&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13898|13898]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Nov. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the Task Force on Missing and Murdered American Indians and Alaska Natives 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;66059&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13899|13899]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Combating Anti-Semitism 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;68779&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13900|13900]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 17
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing for the Closing of Executive Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government on December 24, 2019 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;69983&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13901|13901]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;72213&lt;/span&gt;
|}

&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;(45 Executive Orders issued total&lt;ref&gt;{{citation |author=[[w:Office of the Federal Register|Office of the Federal Register]]|title=2019 Donald Trump Executive Orders|url=https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/donald-trump/2019|work=[[|w:Federal Register|Federal Register]]|publisher=[[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]]|location=[[w:Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]|access-date=2019-10-25}}.&lt;/ref&gt;). &lt;/div&gt;
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== 2020 ==

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! colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; padding: 2px 1ex; background-color:#ccccff;;color: #202122;white-space:nowrap;&quot;|&lt;span class=&quot;noprint&quot; style=&quot;float:left;&quot;&gt;[[WS:USEO]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;float:right;&quot;&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[Index:Title 3 CFR 2020 Compilation.djvu|3 CFR, 2020 Comp.]] &lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:1.2em;&quot;&gt;2020 · E.O. 13902–13970&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
|style=&quot;padding:1px 2px;&quot;|
{| class=&quot;table&quot; width=&quot;100%&quot; style=&quot;margin:0ex auto 0ex auto; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;
|- style=&quot;vertical-align:bottom&quot;
!  style=&quot;width:2%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0.5ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;&gt;E.O. No.&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 5ex; float:left;&quot;&gt;Subject&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;85 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13902|13902]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Sanctions with Respect to Additional Sectors of Iran
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13903|13903]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Combating Human Trafficking and Online Child Exploitation in the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13904|13904]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Safe and Lawful E-Commerce for United States Consumers, Businesses, Government Supply Chains, and Intellectual Property Rights
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13905|13905]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening National Resilience Through Responsible Use of Positioning, Navigation, and Timing Services
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13906|13906]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amending Executive Order 13803 - Reviving the National Space Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13907|13907]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Interagency Environment Committee for Monitoring and Enforcement Under Section 811 of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement Implementation Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13908|13908]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Interagency Committee on Trade in Automotive Goods Under Section 202A of the United States Mexico Canada Agreement Implementation Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13909|13909]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Prioritizing and Allocating Health and Medical Resources to Respond to the Spread of COVID-19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13910|13910]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Preventing Hoarding of Health and Medical Resources To Respond to the Spread of COVID-19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13911|13911]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Delegating Additional Authority Under the Defense Production Act With Respect to Health and Medical Resources To Respond to the Spread of COVID-19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13912|13912]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | National Emergency Authority To Order the Selected Reserve and Certain Members of the Individual Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces to Active Duty
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13913|13913]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the Committee for the Assessment of Foreign Participation in the United States Telecommunications Services Sector
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13914|13914]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Encouraging International Support for the Recovery and Use of Space Resources
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13915|13915]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of the Interior
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13916|13916]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | National Emergency Authority To Temporarily Extend Deadlines for Certain Estimated Payments
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13917|13917]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Delegating Authority Under the Defense Production Act With Respect to Food Supply Chain Resources During the National Emergency Caused by the Outbreak of COVID-19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13918|13918]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Interagency Labor Committee for Monitoring and Enforcement Under Section 711 of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement Implementation Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13919|13919]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ordering the Selected Reserve of the Armed Forces to Active Duty
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13920|13920]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Securing the United States Bulk-Power System
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13921|13921]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting American Seafood Competitiveness and Economic Growth
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13922|13922]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Delegating Authority Under the Defense Production Act to the Chief Executive Officer of the United States International Development Finance Corporation To Respond to the COVID-19 Outbreak
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13923|13923]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Forced Labor Enforcement Task Force Under Section 741 of the United States- Mexico-Canada Agreement Implementation Act
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13924|13924]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Regulatory Relief To Support Economic Recovery
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13925|13925]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Preventing Online Censorship
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13926|13926]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Advancing International Religious Freedom
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13927|13927]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Accelerating the Nation's Economic Recovery From the COVID-19 Emergency by Expediting Infrastructure Investments and Other Activities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13928|13928]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property Of Certain Persons Associated With The International Criminal Court
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13929|13929]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 16
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Safe Policing for Safe Communities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13930|13930]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening the Child Welfare System for America's Children
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13931|13931]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Continuing the President's National Council for the American Worker and the American Workforce Policy Advisory Board
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13932|13932]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing and Reforming the Assessment and Hiring of Federal Job Candidates
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13933|13933]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | June 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13934|13934]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13935|13935]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | White House Hispanic Prosperity Initiative
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13936|13936]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | The President's Executive Order on Hong Kong Normalization
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13937|13937]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Access to Affordable Life-saving Medications
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13938|13938]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Increasing Drug Importation to Lower Prices for American Patients
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13939|13939]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Lowering Prices for Patients by Eliminating Kickbacks to Middlemen
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13940|13940]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Aligning Federal Contracting and Hiring Practices With the Interests of American Workers
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13941|13941]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Rural Health and Telehealth Access
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13942|13942]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat Posed by TikTok, and Taking Additional Steps To Address the National Emergency With Respect to the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13943|13943]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat Posed by WeChat, and Taking Additional Steps To Address the National Emergency With Respect to the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13944|13944]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Combating Public Health Emergencies and Strengthening National Security by Ensuring Essential Medicines, Medical Countermeasures, and Critical Inputs Are Made in the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13945|13945]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Fighting the Spread of COVID-19 by Providing Assistance to Renters and Homeowners
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13946|13946]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Aug. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Targeting Opportunity Zones and Other Distressed Communities for Federal Site Locations
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13947|13947]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | July 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Increasing Drug Importation to Lower Prices for American Patients
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13948|13948]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Lowering Drug Prices by Putting America First
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13949|13949]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to the Conventional Arms Activities of Iran
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13950|13950]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 22
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Combating Race and Sex Stereotyping
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13951|13951]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | An America-First Healthcare Plan
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13952|13952]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting Vulnerable Newborn and Infant Children
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13953|13953]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Sep. 30
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat to the Domestic Supply Chain From Reliance on Critical Minerals From Foreign Adversaries and Supporting the Domestic Mining and Processing Industries
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13954|13954]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Saving Lives Through Increased Support for Mental- and Behavioral-Health Needs
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13955|13955]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the One Trillion Trees Interagency Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13956|13956]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing America's Water Resource Management and Water Infrastructure
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13957|13957]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Oct. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Creating Schedule F in the Excepted Service
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13958|13958]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Nov. 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the President's Advisory 1776 Commission
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13959|13959]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Nov. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat From Securities Investments That Finance Communist Chinese Military Companies
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13960|13960]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting the Use of Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence in the Federal Government
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13961|13961]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Governance and Integration of Federal Mission Resilience
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13962|13962]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Access to United States Government COVID–19 Vaccines
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13963|13963]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing an Order of Succession within the Department of Defense
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13964|13964]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Rebranding United States Foreign Assistance to Advance American Influence
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13965|13965]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing for the Closing of Executive Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government on December 24, 2020
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13966|13966]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Increasing Economic and Geographic Mobility
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13967|13967]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Beautiful Federal Civic Architecture
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13968|13968]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Redemption of Savings Bonds
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13969|13969]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Expanding Educational Opportunity Through School Choice
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13970|13970]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Dec. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|}

&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;(69 Executive Orders issued total&lt;ref&gt;{{citation |author=[[w:Office of the Federal Register|Office of the Federal Register]]|title=2020 Donald Trump Executive Orders|url=https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/donald-trump/2020|work=[[|w:Federal Register|Federal Register]]|publisher=[[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]]|location=[[w:Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]|access-date=2020-05-28}}.&lt;/ref&gt;). &lt;/div&gt;
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== 2021 ==

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! colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center; padding: 2px 1ex; background-color:#ccccff;color: #202122;white-space:nowrap;&quot;|&lt;span class=&quot;noprint&quot; style=&quot;float:left;&quot;&gt;[[WS:USEO]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;float:right;&quot;&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[Index:Title 3 CFR 2019 Compilation.djvu|3 CFR, 2019 Comp.]] &lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:1.2em;&quot;&gt;2021 · E.O. 13971–13984&lt;/span&gt;
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!  style=&quot;width:2%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0.5ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;&gt;E.O. No.&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
!  style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 5ex; float:left;&quot;&gt;Subject&lt;/small&gt;
! style=&quot;width:10%; padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 2ex; float:right;&quot;&gt;86 FR Page&lt;/small&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13971|13971]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 5
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat Posed by Applications and Other Software Developed or Controlled by Chinese Companies
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13972|13972]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 5
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Promoting Small Modular Reactors for National Defense and Space Exploration
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13973|13973]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Providing an Order of Succession Within the Environmental Protection Agency
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13974|13974]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Communist Chinese Military Companies; U.S. Efforts To Address Threat From Securities Investments That Finance
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13975|13975]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Encouraging Buy American Policies for the United States Postal Service
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13976|13976]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the Wildland Fire Management Policy Committee
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13977|13977]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting Law Enforcement Officers, Judges, Prosecutors, And Their Families
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13978|13978]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Building the National Garden of American Heroes
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13979|13979]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Democratic Accountability in Agency Rulemaking
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13980|13980]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting Americans From Overcriminalization Through Regulatory Reform
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13981|13981]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting The United States From Certain Unmanned Aircraft Systems
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;__&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13982|13982]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Care Of Veterans With Service In Uzbekistan
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;6833-6834&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13983|13983]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revocation of Executive Order 13770
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;6835&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 13984|13984]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency with Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;6837-6842&lt;/span&gt;
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;(14 Executive Orders issued total&lt;ref&gt;{{citation |author=[[w:Office of the Federal Register|Office of the Federal Register]]|title=2021 Donald Trump Executive Orders|url=https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/donald-trump/2021|work=[[|w:Federal Register|Federal Register]]|publisher=[[w:National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives and Records Administration]]|location=[[w:Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]|access-date=2021-01-22|___id=TrumpEO}}.&lt;/ref&gt;). &lt;/div&gt;
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== 2025 ==

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!  style=&quot;width:6%; padding:0ex 0.5ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;|&lt;small style=&quot;padding:0ex 0ex 0ex 0ex; text-align:center;&quot;&gt;Signature Date&lt;/small&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14147|14147]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending the Weaponization of the Federal Government
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8235-8236&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14148|14148]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Initial Rescissions of Harmful Executive Orders and Actions
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8237-8241&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14149|14149]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Freedom of Speech and Ending Federal Censorship
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8243-8244&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14150|14150]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[America First Policy Directive to the Secretary of State]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8337&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14151|14151]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Ending Radical and Wasteful Government DEI Programs and Preferencing]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8339-8341&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14152|14152]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Holding Former Government Officials Accountable for Election Interference and Improper Disclosure of Sensitive Governmental Information
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8343-8346&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14153|14153]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Unleashing Alaska's Extraordinary Resource Potential
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8347-8351&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14154|14154]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Unleashing American Energy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8353-8359&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14155|14155]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Withdrawing the United States From the World Health Organization
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8361-8362&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14156|14156]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Declaring a National Energy Emergency
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8433-8437&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14157|14157]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Designating Cartels and Other Organizations as Foreign Terrorist Organizations and Specially Designated Global Terrorists
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8439-8440&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14158|14158]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Establishing and Implementing the President's &quot;Department of Government Efficiency&quot;]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8441-8442&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14159|14159]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting the American People Against Invasion
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8443-8448&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14160|14160]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8449-8450&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14161|14161]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting the United States From Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8451-8453&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14162|14162]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Putting America First in International Environmental Agreements
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8455-8457&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14163|14163]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Realigning the United States Refugee Admissions Program
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8459-8461&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14164|14164]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring the Death Penalty and Protecting Public Safety
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8463-8465&lt;/span&gt;
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| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14165|14165]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Securing Our Borders
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8467-8469&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14166|14166]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Application of Protecting Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act to TikTok
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8611-8612&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14167|14167]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Clarifying the Military's Role in Protecting the Territorial Integrity of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8613-8614&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14168|14168]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8615-8618&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14169|14169]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Reevaluating and Realigning United States Foreign Aid]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8619-8620&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14170|14170]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reforming the Federal Hiring Process and Restoring Merit to Government Service
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8621-8623&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14171|14171]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Restoring Accountability to Policy-Influencing Positions Within the Federal Workforce]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8625-8627&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14172|14172]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Names That Honor American Greatness
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8629-8631&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14173|14173]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending Illegal Discrimination and Restoring Merit-Based Opportunity
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8633-8636&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14174|14174]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Revocation of Certain Executive Orders
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8637&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14175|14175]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 22
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Designation of Ansar Allah as a Foreign Terrorist Organization
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8639-8640&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14176|14176]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Declassification of Records Concerning the Assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8641-8642&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14177|14177]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8643-8645&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14178|14178]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening American Leadership in Digital Financial Technology
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8647-8650&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14179|14179]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Removing Barriers to American Leadership in Artificial Intelligence 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8741-8742&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14180|14180]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Council to Assess the Federal Emergency Management Agency
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8743-8745&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14181|14181]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Emergency Measures to Provide Water Resources in California and Improve Disaster Response in Certain Areas
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8747-8750&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14182|14182]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enforcing the Hyde Amendment
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8751-8752&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14183|14183]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8757-8759&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14184|14184]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reinstating Service Members Discharged Under the Military's COVID-19 Vaccination Mandate
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8761-8762&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14185|14185]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring America's Fighting Force
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8763-8765&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14186|14186]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | The Iron Dome for America
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8767-8769&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14187|14187]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting Children From Chemical and Surgical Mutilation
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8771-8773&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14188|14188]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Additional Measures To Combat Anti-Semitism]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8847-8848&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14189|14189]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Celebrating America's 250th Birthday
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8849-8851&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14190|14190]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8853-8857&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14191|14191]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Expanding Educational Freedom and Opportunity for Families
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;8859-8860&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14192|14192]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jan. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Unleashing Prosperity Through Deregulation
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9065-9067&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14193|14193]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Imposing Duties To Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our Northern Border]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9113-9116&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14194|14194]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Imposing Duties To Address the Situation at Our Southern Border]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9117-9120&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14195|14195]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Duties To Address the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9121-9124&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14196|14196]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[A Plan for Establishing a United States Sovereign Wealth Fund]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9181-9182 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14197|14197]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Progress on the Situation at Our Northern Border
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9183-9184 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14198|14198]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Progress on the Situation at Our Southern Border 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9185-9186 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14199|14199]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Withdrawing the United States From and Ending Funding to Certain United Nations Organizations and Reviewing United States Support to All International Organizations]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9275-9276 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14200|14200]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People’s Republic of China
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9277-9278 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14201|14201]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 5
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Keeping Men Out of Women’s Sports]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9279-9281 &lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14202|14202]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9365-9368&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14203|14203]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Sanctions on the International Criminal Court
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9369-9373&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14204|14204]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Egregious Actions of The Republic of South Africa
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9497-9498&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14205|14205]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of The White House Faith Office
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9499-9501&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14206|14206]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting Second Amendment Rights
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9503-9504&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14207|14207]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Eliminating the Federal Executive Institute
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9583-9584&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14208|14208]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending Procurement and Forced Use of Paper Straws
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9585-9586&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14209|14209]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 10
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9587-9588&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14210|14210]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 11
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Implementing The President’s “Department of Government Efficiency” Workforce Optimization Initiative
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9669-9671&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14211|14211]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[One Voice for America’s Foreign Relations]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9831-9832&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14212|14212]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 13
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the President's Make America Healthy Again Commission
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9833-9836&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14213|14213]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the National Energy Dominance Council
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9945-9947&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14214|14214]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Keeping Education Accessible and Ending COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates in Schools
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9949-9950&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14215|14215]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;9949-9950&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14216|14216]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Expanding Access to In-Vitro Fertilization
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10451-10452&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14217|14217]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Commencing the Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10577-10579&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14218|14218]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending Taxpayer Subsidization of Open Borders
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10581-10582&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14219|14219]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 19
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Lawful Governance and Implementing the President's &quot;Department of Government Efficiency&quot; Deregulatory Initiative
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;10583-10585&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14220|14220]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat to National Security From Imports of Copper
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11001-11003&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14221|14221]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Making America Healthy Again by Empowering Patients With Clear, Accurate, and Actionable Healthcare Pricing Information
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11005-11006&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14222|14222]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Feb. 26
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Implementing the President's &quot;Department of Government Efficiency&quot; Cost Efficiency Initiative
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11095-11097&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14223|14223]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing the Threat to National Security From Imports of Timber, Lumber, and Their Derivative Products
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11359-11361&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14224|14224]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Designating English as the Official Language of the United States
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11363-11364&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14225|14225]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Immediate Expansion of American Timber Production
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11365-11367&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14226|14226]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Duties To Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our Northern Border
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11369-11370&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14227|14227]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Duties To Address the Situation at Our Southern Border
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11371-11372&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14228|14228]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 3
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11463-11464&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14229|14229]] 
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Honoring Jocelyn Nungaray
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11585-11586&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14230|14230]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Risks from Perkins Coie LLP
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11781-11783&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14231|14231]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Duties to Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our Northern Border
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11785-11786&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14232|14232]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Duties to Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our Southern Border
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11787-11788&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14233|14233]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and United States Digital Asset Stockpile
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11789-11791&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14234|14234]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the White House Task Force on the FIFA World Cup 2026
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11883-11884&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14235|14235]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 7
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Public Service Loan Forgiveness
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;11885-11886&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14236|14236]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Additional Recissions of Harmful Executive Orders and Actions
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13037-13038&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14237|14237]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Risks from Paul Weiss
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13039-13041&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14238|14238]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 14
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Continuing the Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13043-13044&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14239|14239]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 18
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Achieving Efficiency Through State and Local Preparedness
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13267-13269&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14240|14240]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Eliminating Waste and Saving Taxpayer Dollars by Consolidating Procurement
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13671-13672&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14241|14241]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Immediate Measures To Increase American Mineral Production
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13673-13677&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14242|14242]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving Education Outcomes by Empowering Parents, States, and Communities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13679-13680&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14243|14243]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 20
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Stopping Waste, Fraud, and Abuse by Eliminating Information Silos
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13681-13682&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14244|14244]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 21
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Remedial Action by Paul Weiss
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13685-13686&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14245|14245]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Imposing Tariffs on Countries Importing Venezuelan Oil
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13829-13831&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14246|14246]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Risks From Jenner &amp; Block
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;13997-13999&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14247|14247]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing Payments To and From America’s Bank Account
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14001-14003&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14248|14248]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Preserving and Protecting the Integrity of American Elections
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14005-14010&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14249|14249]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 25
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting America’s Bank Account Against Fraud, Waste, and Abuse
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14011-14015&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14250|14250]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Risks From WilmerHale
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14549-14551&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14251|14251]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Exclusions From Federal Labor-Management Relations Programs
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14553-14557&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14252|14252]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Making the District of Columbia Safe and Beautiful
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14559-14561&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14253|14253]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 27
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14563-14565&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14254|14254]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Combating Unfair Practices in the Live Entertainment Market
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14699-14700&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14255|14255]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Mar. 31
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishing the United States Investment Accelerator
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14701-14702&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14256|14256]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People’s Republic of China as Applied to Low-Value Imports
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;14899-14902&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14257|14257]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 2
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Regulating Imports With a Reciprocal Tariff To Rectify Trade Practices That Contribute to Large and Persistent Annual United States Goods Trade Deficits
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15041-15109&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14258|14258]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 4
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Extending the TikTok Enforcement Delay
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15209-15210&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14259|14259]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Amendment to Reciprocal Tariffs and Updated Duties as Applied to Low-Value Imports From the People’s Republic of China
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15509-15511&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14260|14260]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting American Energy From State Overreach
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15513-15515&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14261|14261]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reinvigorating America’s Beautiful Clean Coal Industry and Amending Executive Order 14241
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15517-15520&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14262|14262]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 8
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening the Reliability and Security of the United States Electric Grid
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15521-15522&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14263|14263]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Risks From Susman Godfrey
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15615-15617&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14264|14264]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Maintaining Acceptable Water Pressure in Showerheads
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15619-15620&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14265|14265]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modernizing Defense Acquisitions and Spurring Innovation in the Defense Industrial Base
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15621-15624&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14266|14266]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modifying Reciprocal Tariff Rates To Reflect Trading Partner Retaliation and Alignment
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15625-15628&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14267|14267]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reducing Anti-Competitive Regulatory Barriers
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15629-15630&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14268|14268]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reforming Foreign Defense Sales To Improve Speed and Accountability
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15631-15633&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14269|14269]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring America’s Maritime Dominance
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15635-15641&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14270|14270]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Zero-Based Regulatory Budgeting To Unleash American Energy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;15643-15646&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14271|14271]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring Commercial, Cost-Effective Solutions in Federal Contracts
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16433-16435&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14272|14272]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ensuring National Security and Economic Resilience Through Section 232 Actions on Processed Critical Minerals and Derivative Products
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16437-16440&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14273|14273]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Lowering Drug Prices by Once Again Putting Americans First
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16441-16444&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14274|14274]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Common Sense to Federal Office Space Management
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16445-16446&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14275|14275]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 15
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Common Sense to Federal Procurement
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16447-16449&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14276|14276]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 17
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring American Seafood Competitiveness
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;16993-16995&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14277|14277]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Advancing Artificial Intelligence Education for American Youth
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17519-17523&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14278|14278]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Preparing Americans for High-Paying Skilled Trade Jobs of the Future
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17525-17527&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14279|14279]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reforming Accreditation To Strengthen Higher Education
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17529-17532&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14280|14280]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reinstating Commonsense School Discipline Policies
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17533-17535&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14281|14281]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Equality of Opportunity and Meritocracy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17537-17539&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14282|14282]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Transparency Regarding Foreign Influence at American Universities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17541-17542&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14283|14283]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | White House Initiative To Promote Excellence and Innovation at Historically Black Colleges and Universities
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17543-17545&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14284|14284]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening Probationary Periods in the Federal Service
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17729-17733&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14285|14285]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 24
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Unleashing America’s Offshore Critical Minerals and Resources
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;17735-17738&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14286|14286]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Enforcing Commonsense Rules of the Road for America’s Truck Drivers
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18759-18760&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14287|14287]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Protecting American Communities From Criminal Aliens
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18761-18763&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14288|14288]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 28
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Strengthening and Unleashing America’s Law Enforcement To Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18765-18767&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14289|14289]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Apr. 29
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Addressing Certain Tariffs on Imported Articles
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;18907-18909&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14290|14290]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ending Taxpayer Subsidization of Biased Media
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;19415-19416&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14291|14291]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 1
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Establishment of the Religious Liberty Commission
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;19417-19419&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14292|14292]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 5
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Improving the Safety and Security of Biological Research
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;19611-19614&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14293|14293]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 5
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Regulatory Relief To Promote Domestic Production of Critical Medicines
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;19615-19617&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14294|14294]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Fighting Overcriminalization in Federal Regulations
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20363-20365&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14295|14295]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Increasing Efficiency at the Office of the Federal Register
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20367-20368&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14296|14296]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 9
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Keeping Promises to Veterans and Establishing a National Center for Warrior Independence
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20369-20371&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14297|14297]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Delivering Most-Favored-Nation Prescription Drug Pricing to American Patients
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;20749-20751&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14298|14298]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Modifying Reciprocal Tariff Rates To Reflect Discussions With the People’s Republic of China
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;21831-21834&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14299|14299]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor Technologies for National Security
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22581-22586&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14300|14300]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Ordering the Reform of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22587-22590&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14301|14301]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reforming Nuclear Reactor Testing at the Department of Energy
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22591-22593&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14302|14302]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Reinvigorating the Nuclear Industrial Base
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22595-22599&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14303|14303]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | May 23
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring Gold Standard Science
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;22601-22606&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14304|14304]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Leading the World in Supersonic Flight
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;24717-24718&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14305|14305]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Restoring American Airspace Sovereignty
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;24719-24721&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14306|14306]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Sustaining Select Efforts To Strengthen the Nation’s Cybersecurity and Amending Executive Order 13694 and Executive Order 14144
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;24723-24726&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14307|14307]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 6
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Unleashing American Drone Dominance
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;24727-24731&lt;/span&gt;
|-style=&quot;vertical-align:top&quot;
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | [[Executive Order 14308|14308]]
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center&quot; | Jun. 12
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | Empowering Commonsense Wildfire Prevention and Response
| class=&quot;ENT&quot; | &lt;span style=&quot;float:right&quot;&gt;26175-26177&lt;/span&gt;
|}
|}

==Sources==
* [http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/trump.html Disposition Tables of Executive Orders Signed by President Donald John Trump] from U.S. National Archives and Records Administration
* [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ Executive Orders] from The White House

==References==
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I understood that little point in Wetter's code; besides, his humour seemed just now too bitter for love-making. If Coralie felt any resentment, it did not go very deep. She turned her eyes from Wetter to my face. 

&quot;You're going to be married very soon?&quot; she said. 

&quot;In a month,&quot; said I. &quot;I'm having my last fling. You perceived our high spirits?&quot; 

&quot;I've seen her picture. She's pretty. And I've seen the Countess von Sempach.&quot; 

&quot;You know about her?&quot; 

&quot;Have you forgotten that you used to speak of her? Ah, yes, you've forgotten all that you used to say! The Countess is still handsome.&quot; 

&quot;What of that? So are you.&quot; 

&quot;True, it doesn't matter much,&quot; Coralie admitted. &quot;Does your Princess love you?&quot; 

&quot;Don't you love your husband?&quot; 

A faint slow smile bent her lips as she glanced at Struboff—himself and his locket. 

&quot;Nobody acts without a motive,&quot; said I. &quot;Not even in marrying.&quot; 

The bitterness that found expression in this little sneer elicited no sympathetic response from Coralie. I was obliged to conclude that she considered her marriage a success; at least that it was doing what she had expected from it. At this moment she yawned in her old, pretty, lazy way. Certainly there were no signs of romantic misery or tragic disillusionment about her. Again I asked myself whether my sympathy were not more justly due to Struboff—Struboff, who sat now smoking a big cigar and wobbling his head solemnly in answer to the emphatic&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Soon after I took my leave. Coralie pressed me to return the next day, and before I could speak Wetter accepted the invitation for me. There was no very strong repugnance in Struboff's face; I should not have heeded it had it appeared. Wetter prepared to come with me. I watched his farewell to Coralie; his smile seemed to mock both her and himself. She was weary and dreary, but probably only because she wanted her bed. It was a mistake, as a rule, to attribute to her other than the simplest desires. The moment we were outside, Wetter turned on me with a savagely mirthful expression of my own thoughts. 

&quot;A wretched thing to leave her with him? Not the least in the world!&quot; he cried. &quot;She will sleep ten hours, eat one, sing three, sleep three, eat two, sleep{{bar|2}} Have I run through the twenty-four?&quot; 

&quot;Well, then, why are we to disturb ourselves?&quot; I asked. 

&quot;Why are we to disturb ourselves? Good God, isn't it enough that she should be like that?&quot; 

I laughed, as I blew out my cigarette smoke.
 
&quot;This is an old story,&quot; said I. &quot;She is not in love with you, I suppose? That's it, isn't it?&quot; 

&quot;It's not the absence of the fact,&quot; said he, with&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Why torment Strubofr, though?&quot; 

&quot;Struboff? &quot; he repeated, knitting his brows. &quot;Ah, now Struboff is worth tormenting! You won't believe me; but he can feel.&quot; 

&quot;I was right, then; I thought he could.&quot; 

&quot;You saw it?&quot; 

&quot;My prospects, perhaps, quicken my wits.&quot; 

My arm was through his, and he pressed it between his elbow and his side. 

&quot;You see,&quot; said he, &quot;perversity runs through it all. She should feel; he should not. It seems she doesn't, but he does. Heavens, would you accept such a conclusion without the fullest experiment? For me, I am determined to test it.&quot; 

&quot;Still you're in love with her.&quot; 

&quot;Agreed, agreed, agreed. A man must have a spur to knowledge.&quot; 

We parted at the Place de la Concorde, and I strolled on alone to my hotel. Vohrenlorf was waiting for me, a little anxious, infinitely sleepy. I dismissed him at once, and sat down to read my letters. I had the feeling that I would think about all these matters to-morrow, but I was also pervaded by a satisfaction. My mind was being fed. The air here nourished, the air of Artenberg starved. I complimented Paris on a virtue not her own; the house in the Rue Washington was the source of my satisfaction. 

There was a letter from Varvilliers; he wrote from Hungary, where he was on a visit. Here is something of what he said: 


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I dropped the letter with a laugh, wondering whether the charming lady played the game as he did and a stake as light. Or did she suffer? Well, anybody can suffer. The talent is almost universal. There was, it seemed, reason to suppose that Struboff suffered. I acquiesced, but with a sense of discontent. Pain should not be vulgarized. Varvilliers' immunity gave him a new distinction in my eyes.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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‎{{JDentry|שגי|שגי}}, ‎{{JDentry|שגיא|שגיא}} ‎= ‎מגי. ‎Lev. ‎R. ‎s. ‎t ‎(ed. ‎Vil. ‎ס׳); ‎Yalk.
‎Ps. ‎763, ‎v. ‎שום ‎I ‎ch.

‎{{JDentry|שגיאה|שגיאה}} ‎f. ‎(שגה) ‎error, ‎inadvertency. ‎- ‎Pl. ‎שגיאות.
‎Midr.Till, ‎to ‎Ps. ‎VII ‎ed. ‎Bub. ‎וסלח ‎מחול ‎שעשיתי ‎ש׳ ‎כל ‎על
‎לי ‎forgive ‎me ‎and ‎pardon ‎me ‎for ‎all ‎inadvertent ‎wrongs
‎that ‎I ‎may ‎have ‎committed. ‎Ib. ‎to ‎Ps. ‎XIX ‎שגיאותיו ‎ed.
‎Bub., ‎v. ‎שגגא.

‎{{JDentry|שגייתא|שגייתא}} ‎ch. ‎same. ‎-Pl. ‎שגייתא. ‎Midr. ‎Till. ‎to ‎Ps. ‎XIX,
‎v. ‎שגגתא.

‎{{JDentry|שגישיא|שגישיא}}, ‎v. ‎שגשיא.

‎{{JDentry|שגישתא|שגישתא}}, ‎v. ‎שיגושתא.

‎{{JDentry|שגישתא|שגישתא}} ‎f. ‎(שגש) ‎confused, ‎bewildered. ‎Gitt. ‎70b
‎היא ‎ש׳ ‎דעתא ‎his ‎mind ‎is ‎confused ‎(by ‎the ‎fear ‎of ‎death),
‎opp. ‎צילותא, ‎v. ‎צילא.

‎{{JDentry|שגל|שגל}} ‎f. ‎(b. ‎h.; ‎שגל, ‎changed ‎by ‎Massorah ‎into ‎שכב;
‎cmp. ‎גלה) ‎king's ‎wife ‎or ‎mistress. ‎R. ‎Hash. ‎4a ‎(ref. ‎to ‎Neh.
‎II, ‎6) ‎כלבתא ‎. ‎.. ‎אמר ‎ש׳ ‎מאי ‎what ‎is ‎shegal ‎Said ‎Rabbah...,
‎a ‎she-dog. ‎Ib. ‎(ref. ‎to ‎Ps. ‎XLV, ‎10) ‎וכ׳ ‎היא ‎כלבתא ‎ש׳ ‎ואי
‎if ‎shegal ‎meant ‎dog, ‎what ‎good ‎tidings ‎did ‎the ‎prophet
‎announce ‎for ‎Israel ‎Ib. ‎וכ׳ ‎היא ‎מלכתא ‎ש׳ ‎לעולם ‎shegal
‎means ‎n ‎general ‎queen, ‎and ‎that ‎opinion ‎of ‎Rabbah ‎.. ‎.
‎(as ‎regards ‎Neh. ‎l. ‎c.) ‎is ‎a ‎tradition ‎&amp;c. ‎-- ‎Pl. ‎לשגלונות
‎(fr. ‎שגלון). ‎Soh. ‎95b.

‎{{JDentry|שגם|שגם}}, ‎Pi. ‎שיגם ‎(v. ‎גמם) ‎1) ‎to ‎smooth, ‎plane, ‎polish.
‎Kel. ‎X ‎XII, ‎10 ‎ששיגמן. ‎. ‎. ‎הנסרים ‎the ‎boards ‎in ‎a ‎bath ‎which
‎one ‎planed; ‎(Maim.; ‎which ‎one ‎joined ‎with ‎bamboo, ‎v.
‎next ‎w.). ‎-- ‎2) ‎to ‎bend. ‎Gen. ‎R. ‎s. ‎26 ‎(play ‎on ‎בשגם, ‎Gen.
‎VI, ‎3) ‎ביסורין ‎משגמן ‎אני ‎הרי ‎I ‎will ‎bend ‎them ‎through
‎suftering; ‎באלו ‎אלו ‎משגמן ‎הריני ‎(Rashi ‎משגשן) ‎I ‎will
‎bend ‎them ‎(break ‎their ‎power) ‎one ‎through ‎the ‎other;
‎ib. ‎וכ׳ ‎אותן ‎שיגמתי ‎שלא ‎עי ‎because ‎I ‎had ‎not ‎bent ‎them
‎through ‎suffering; ‎Yalk. ‎ib. ‎44.

‎{{JDentry|שגם|שגם}} ‎(שוגם) ‎m. ‎(preced.) ‎foint ‎made ‎of ‎twisted
‎reed ‎(bamboo), ‎hinge. ‎-- ‎Pl. ‎שגמין ‎or ‎ש׳, ‎שוגמין. ‎Ge. ‎R.
‎s. ‎26 ‎(v. ‎preced.) ‎שגמיו ‎מעמידו ‎מי ‎הזה ‎הדלת ‎(or ‎שגמיו)
‎what ‎keeps ‎the ‎door ‎in ‎position? ‎Its ‎hinges. ‎Kel. ‎X, ‎6
‎בשוג׳ ‎או ‎בסינין ‎עשאן ‎(Ar. ‎a. ‎Bart. ‎בשג׳) ‎if ‎he ‎joined ‎the
‎boards ‎with ‎tenons ‎or ‎with ‎hinges ‎(Maim.; ‎with ‎bamboo,
‎v. ‎0ן.

‎{{JDentry|שגמא|שגמא}}, ‎{{JDentry|שי׳|שי׳}} ‎ch. ‎same. ‎- ‎Pl. ‎שגמיא, ‎שי׳. ‎Koh. ‎R. ‎to
‎IX, ‎18 ‎(expl. ‎האמנות, ‎II ‎Kings ‎XVIII, ‎16) ‎ש׳ ‎אמרי ‎רבנן
‎the ‎Rabbis ‎say, ‎it ‎means ‎the ‎(gilt) ‎hinges.

‎{{JDentry|שגנז|שגנז}}, ‎Yalk. ‎Josh. ‎22, ‎v. ‎סיגנום.

‎{{JDentry|שגר|שגר}} ‎(Shaf. ‎of ‎גרר; ‎cmp. ‎נגר) ‎to ‎run, ‎flow. ‎- ‎Part.pass.
‎שגור; ‎f ‎שגורה ‎fluent, ‎spoken ‎without ‎hesitation. ‎Ber. ‎V, ‎5
‎וכ׳ ‎תפלתי ‎ש׳ ‎אם ‎if ‎my ‎prayer ‎is ‎fuent ‎in ‎my ‎mouth, ‎I
‎know ‎&amp;c., ‎v. ‎טיף; ‎Tosef. ‎ib. ‎III, ‎3 ‎שגרה ‎ed. ‎Zucm ‎(Var.
‎שגורה). ‎-- ‎[Oant. ‎R. ‎to ‎I, ‎15 ‎שוגרת, ‎vv. ‎infra.]
‎Pi. ‎שיגר ‎) ‎to ‎speak ‎with ‎fluency. ‎Ex. ‎R. ‎s. ‎9 ‎כיון
‎וכ׳ ‎בפיהם. ‎. ‎. ‎ששיגרו ‎when ‎they ‎recited ‎(these ‎verses) ‎the
‎whole ‎night ‎with ‎fluency, ‎they ‎considered ‎it ‎a ‎good
‎sign ‎&amp;c. ‎- ‎2) ‎to ‎make ‎run, ‎to ‎send. ‎Tanb. ‎Mick. ‎8 ‎תפוש
‎לפני ‎אותם ‎וששגר ‎. ‎. ‎arrest ‎them ‎and ‎send ‎them ‎up ‎before
‎me; ‎Gen. ‎R. ‎s. ‎91. ‎Ib, ‎וכ׳ ‎בשבילם ‎וש׳ ‎and ‎sent ‎(messengers)
‎out ‎for ‎them ‎to ‎hunt ‎them ‎up ‎&amp;c. ‎Tosef. ‎Sabb. ‎XIII
‎(XIV), ‎6 ‎וכ׳ ‎לו ‎ש׳ ‎שלהן ‎ולהיפרכוס ‎and ‎to ‎their ‎commander
‎he ‎sent ‎a ‎present ‎of ‎fifty ‎denars. ‎Ber. ‎51a, ‎sq. ‎לאנשי ‎משגרו
‎וכ׳ ‎he ‎sends ‎it ‎as ‎a ‎gift ‎tto ‎his ‎household. ‎Snh. ‎59b ‎אחד
‎וכ׳ ‎משגרו ‎he ‎sent ‎out ‎one ‎(serpent) ‎to ‎the ‎south ‎&amp;c. ‎B.
‎Bath. ‎146a. ‎Sot. ‎35b ‎וכ׳ ‎שגרו, ‎v. ‎נוטרין ‎a. ‎fr. ‎-- ‎Part. ‎pass.
‎משוגר; ‎f.. ‎משוגרת. ‎Cant. ‎R. ‎to ‎IV, ‎, ‎v. ‎רולית; ‎ib. ‎to ‎I, ‎15
‎שוגרת ‎corr. ‎acc.).
‎Hif. ‎השגיר ‎[o ‎speak ‎fuently,] ‎to ‎improvise ‎a ‎prayer,
‎change ‎the ‎established ‎form. ‎Y. ‎Ber. ‎V, ‎9c ‎שה׳ ‎צבור ‎שליח
‎וכ׳ ‎שתים ‎if ‎a ‎reader ‎improvvises ‎two ‎or ‎three ‎sections ‎(of
‎the ‎Prayer ‎of ‎Benedictions), ‎we ‎do ‎not ‎make ‎him ‎go
‎back ‎and ‎recite ‎the ‎established ‎form.

‎{{JDentry|שגר|שגר|I}} ‎ch. ‎same, ‎1) ‎to ‎run, ‎flow. ‎Targ. ‎Jer. ‎XIII, ‎17
‎(ed. ‎Wl. ‎ותשגר ‎Pa., ‎shed). ‎Ib. ‎IX, ‎17 ‎(ed. ‎Vil. ‎Pa.). ‎--
‎2) ‎to ‎drag. ‎Hull. ‎51a ‎וכ׳ ‎שגרן ‎דהוו ‎Tosaf. ‎(ed. ‎שדרן) ‎tthey
‎dragged ‎their ‎hind ‎legs.
‎Pa. ‎שגר ‎1) ‎to ‎canse ‎to ‎run, ‎shed ‎tears. ‎Targ. ‎Jer. ‎l. ‎c.,
‎v. ‎supra. ‎- ‎2) ‎to ‎send. ‎Targ. ‎Y. ‎Ex. ‎XXIII, ‎20. ‎-- ‎3) ‎to ‎catt;
‎(of ‎beasts) ‎to ‎give ‎birth. ‎Ib. ‎XIII, ‎12 ‎דמשגרא ‎(not ‎דמש׳).
‎Targ. ‎Jer. ‎XXII, ‎19. ‎- ‎Part. ‎pass. ‎משגיר; ‎f ‎משגרא; ‎pl. ‎מגרן.
‎Ib. ‎VII, ‎33; ‎XXXVI, ‎30. ‎Targ. ‎Deut. ‎XXVIII, ‎26. ‎Targ.
‎Is. ‎V, ‎25, ‎a. ‎e.
‎Af. ‎אשגר ‎1) ‎(neut. ‎verb.) ‎to ‎run ‎over. ‎Y. ‎Sabb. ‎VIII, ‎9b
‎bot. ‎וכ׳ ‎דר׳ ‎עיינה ‎אשגרת ‎R. ‎Aha's ‎eye ‎ran ‎over ‎the ‎whole
‎Torah, ‎and ‎he ‎did ‎not ‎find ‎(that ‎the ‎word ‎ממלאכה ‎appeared
‎39 ‎times). ‎-- ‎2) ‎to ‎cast ‎an ‎eye. ‎Y. ‎Kil. ‎IX, ‎32b ‎bot.; ‎Y. ‎Keth.
‎XII, ‎35a ‎bot. ‎וכ׳ ‎עיניי ‎אשגרית ‎שעתא ‎בהיא ‎(not ‎עינוי) ‎at
‎that ‎moment ‎I ‎let ‎my ‎eyes ‎run ‎(reviewed ‎in ‎my ‎mind)
‎the ‎whole ‎&amp;c., ‎v. ‎תהלה. ‎-- ‎3)to ‎immprovise, ‎change ‎the ‎estabr--
‎lished ‎form ‎of ‎a ‎prayer. ‎Y. ‎Ber. ‎V, ‎9c ‎ברכה ‎חד ‎א׳ ‎(read
‎חדא) ‎he ‎changed ‎one ‎section ‎of ‎the ‎Benedictions. ‎Ib. ‎א׳
‎בסופה ‎זדים ‎מכניע ‎he ‎changed ‎the ‎benediction ‎which ‎closes
‎with ‎makhni ‎a ‎gedim ‎(the ‎twelfth ‎section) ‎at ‎the ‎end
‎of ‎it.

‎{{JDentry|שגר|שגר|II}} ‎(preced.; ‎cmp. ‎גרה) ‎to ‎heat. ‎Targ. ‎Ez. ‎XXXIX,
‎9. ‎- ‎Sabb. ‎109b ‎וכ׳ ‎תנורא ‎שגרא ‎she ‎heated ‎the ‎oven ‎and
‎swept ‎it ‎&amp;c. ‎-- ‎Part. ‎pass. ‎שגיר; ‎f ‎שגירא. ‎Yoma ‎29a ‎תנורא
‎ש׳ ‎a ‎hot ‎oven ‎(in ‎which ‎it ‎is ‎easy ‎to ‎kindle ‎a ‎fresh ‎fire),
‎opp. ‎קרירא.

‎{{JDentry|שגר|שגר|III}} ‎pr. ‎n. ‎m. ‎Sh'gar, ‎one ‎of ‎Haman's ‎ancestors.
‎Targ. ‎Esth. ‎V, ‎1; ‎Targ. ‎II ‎Eslh. ‎III, ‎1.

‎{{JDentry|שגר|שגר}} ‎m. ‎(b. ‎h.; ‎שגר) ‎1) ‎[that ‎which ‎is ‎cast,] ‎birth,
‎foetus, ‎premature ‎birth. ‎Bekh. ‎3a ‎(ref. ‎to ‎Ex. ‎XIII, ‎12)
‎בהמה ‎ש׳ ‎בהמה ‎שגר ‎פטר ‎Rashi ‎Var. ‎the ‎first ‎cast ‎of ‎an
‎animal, ‎even ‎the ‎premature ‎first ‎birth ‎of ‎an ‎animal ‎is
‎sacred; ‎(ed. ‎בבהמה ‎שגר ‎that ‎which ‎dwells ‎in ‎an ‎animal).
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=== Parameters ===
Content parameters
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* {{parameter|2}} (required). Paragraph text.
Index-based styling parameters
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* {{parameter|padding}} or {{parameter|p}} (optional). The space on the right of the text, default 0.2em.
* {{parameter|width}} or {{parameter|w}} (optional). Width of left-aligned text block, add this parameter for a multi-line block.
* {{parameter|style}} or {{parameter|s}} (optional). Custom CSS styling for all content (applies to both the margin number and the paragraph text).

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Primary interests; Linguistics, Ancient Rome + Byzantine Studies, Latin, Africa, The Gambia, Law, North Carolina, the East Asian Cultural Sphere, South East Asia, Theology/Mythology/Religious Studies, Alchemy, Magic, Occult, etc., Calligraphy, Paleography, Political Science, Economics, Socialism/Anarchism/Marxism and etc. (List is not in any particular order)

Feel free to contact me on my user talk page, or at the WikiSource Discord, reboot01!

== Currently working on/Want to have time to work on ==
=== Projects ===
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject North Carolina/North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)|Sub-Project North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)]]

=== Indexes ===
* [[Index:Mother (IA mother00gorkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:Lltreaties-ustbv001.pdf]]
* [[Index:The anatomy of melancholy - vvhat it is, vvith all the kindes, causes, symptomes, prognostickes, and severall cures of it - in three maine partitions with their seuerall sections (IA anatomyofmelanch00burt 2).pdf]]

====Reference Works, Dictionaries, Ecyclopedias, Language etc,====
* [[Index:Helps for student-writers (IA helpsforstudentw00hawk).pdf]]
* [[Index:Short stories in the making; a writers' and students' introduction to the technique and practical composition of short stories (IA shortstoriesinma00nea).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on the elements of hieroglyphics and Egyptian antiquities (IA lecturesonelemen00spin).pdf]]
* [[Index:Account of Some Recent Discoveries in Hieroglyphical Literature and Egyptian Antiquities (IA dli.granth.37546).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Samaritan language, with extracts and vocabulary (IA grammarofsamarit00nich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The dialect of the southern counties of Scotland - Murray - 1873.djvu]]
* [[Index:The place names of Elginshire (IA placenamesofelgi00mathrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA historyofenglish00brya).pdf]], 1919 reprint
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA cu31924017774658).pdf]], 1913 print
* [[Index:A grammar of the Mandingo language- with vocabularies (IA grammarofmanding00macb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern English - its growth and present use (IA modernenglishits00krap).pdf]]
* [[Index:The rise, progress, and present structure of the English language. (IA harrisonriseprog00harr).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0000geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0002geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The American language; an inquiry into the development of English in the United States (IA americanlanguage00menc 0).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:The American Language.djvu]]
* [[Index:American English (IA americanenglish00tuck).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishdialectg00wrig/ The English Dialect Grammar]
* [[Index:Phonology and grammar of modern west Frisian, with phonetic texts and glossary (IA phonologygrammar00sipm).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummiala).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Frisian language and literature- a historical study (IA frisianlanguagel00hewerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A key into the language of America- or, An help to the language of the natives in that part of America, called New-England. - Together, with briefe observations of the customes (IA keyintolanguageo00will 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:File:A grammar of the Malagasy language, in the Ankova dialect (IA grammarofmalagas00grifrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the Maya hieroglyphs (IA introductiontost00morl 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/grammarofoscanum00buckuoft/ A Grammar of Oscan and Umbrian]
* [[Index:Pronunciation of Latin in the Augustan period (IA pronunciationofl00cambrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/childrensliterat0000curr/ Children's Literature]
* [[Index:Rudiments of Grammar for the English-Saxon Tongue (Elstob 1715).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Icelandic-English Dictionary - Cleasby &amp; Vigfusson - 1874.djvu]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume I, A-B.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume II, C-L.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume III, M-Z.pdf]]
* [[Index:Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pantographia - Fry - 1799.djvu]]
* [[Index:A practical grammar of the Hebrew language - Felsenthal - 1868.djvu]]
* [[Index:The grammar of English grammars.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Brasilian language and its agglutination.pdf]]
* [[Index:AnEssayTowardsARealCharacterAndAPhilosophicalLanguage.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Universal Alphabet, Grammar, and Language (universalalphabe00edmo, George Edmunds, 1856) (IA universalalphabe00edmo).pdf]]

====Theology, Spirituality, Occult, Mythology, old science and medicine etc.====
* [https://archive.org/details/orientalliteratu00muhiuoft/ The Dabistan]
* [https://archive.org/details/witchesstilllive00keny/ Witches Still Live]
* [[Index:Aradia or The Gospel of the witches.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29978518/ The mysteries and secrets of magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonologywitchc00brow/ Demonology and Witchcraft]
* [[Index:Witch, warlock, and magician; historical sketches of magic and witchcraft in England and Scotland (IA witchwarlockmagi00adamrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of witches; (IA bookofwitches00huef).pdf]]
* [[Index:La sorcière; the witch of the middle ages (IA lasorcierewitcho00michiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dragonsdragonlor0000erne/ Dragons and Dragon Lore]
* [[Index:The evolution of the dragon (IA evolutionofdrago00smituoft).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/celticdragonmyth0000jrge/ The Celtic Dragon Myth]
* [https://archive.org/details/unicornamytholo00browgoog/ The Unicorn: A Mythological Investigation]
* [[Index:The religions of eastern Asia (IA religionsofeaste00underich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An account of the rise and progress of Mahometanism.djvu]]
* [[Index:Mahommed, &quot;the great Arabian,&quot; (IA mahommedthegreat00townrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The life of Mohammed; founder of the religion of Islam, and of the empire of the Saracens (IA lifeofmohammedfo00bushrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism (IA mohammedanism00margiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism, a pseudo christianity (IA mohammedanismpse00clyd).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje - Mohammedanism (1916).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifereligionofma0000mene/ The life and religion of Mahommed]
* [[Index:The Columbian Congress of the Universalist Church - papers and addresses at the Congress, held as a section of the World's Congress Auxiliary of the Columbian Exposition, 1893 (IA columbiancongres00colu).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our word and work for missions; (IA ourwordworkformi00rugg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Christian apologetics (IA handbookofchrist00garviala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unitarianism in America; a history of its origin and development (IA cu31924029477852).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ordination of women to the pastorate in Baptist churches (IA ordinationofwome00hung).pdf]]
* [[Index:Women in the Apostolic church; a critical study of the evidence in the New Testament for the prominence of women in early Christianity (IA womeninapostolic00allwrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theplaceofwomeni00unknuoft/ The Place of Women in the Church]
* [https://archive.org/details/womaninpulpit00will/ Women in the Pulpit]
* [https://archive.org/details/minhaj_al-talibin_english/ Minhaj Al-Talibin]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/traditionsofisla0000alfr/ The Traditions of Islam]
* [https://archive.org/details/muhammadinhadees0000abul/ Muhammad in the Hadees]
* [https://archive.org/details/amanualofthelead00tisduoft/ A manual of the leading Muhammadan objections to Christianity]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoriginalsourc00tisduoft/ The original sources of the Qur'ân]
* [[Index:The sword of Islam (IA swordofislam00woll).pdf]]
* [[Index:The spirit of Islam; or, The life and teachings of Mohammed (IA spiritofislamorl00alisrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Moslem seeker after God - showing Islam at its best in the life and teaching of al-Ghazali, mystic and theologian of the eleventh century (IA moslemseekeraft00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritan Pentateuch- the story of a survival among the sects (IA samaritanpentate00bart).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirh00gast/ The Samaritans : their history, doctrines and literature]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirt00thomuoft/ The Samaritans: their testimony to the religion of Israel]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29351765/ An Account of the Rise and Progress of Mahometanism]
* [[Index:The book of Yahweh (The Yahwist Bible) - fragments from the primitive document in seven early books of the Old Testament (IA cu31924029285661).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lecturesonmodern00bart/ Lectures on Modern Universalism]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of opinions on the scriptural doctrine of retribution]
* [https://archive.org/details/mysteryhidfromag00chau_0/ The Mystery Hid from Ages and Generations]
* [[Index:Sermons in vindication of Universalism...in reply to &quot;Lectures on Universalism&quot;; (IA sermonsinvindica00mors).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our new departure; (IA ournewdeparture00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Universalism as it is; or, Text book of modern universalism in America (IA universalismasit00hatfrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The plain guide to Universalism - designed to lead inquirers to the belief of that doctrine, and believers to the practice of it (IA plainguidetouniv00whitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook of Christian symbolism (IA handbookofchrist00auds).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible manual. Introductory course on the Bible, for teachers training classes and Bible classes (IA biblemanualintro00kram).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of Opinions on the Scriptural Doctrine of Future Retribution]
* [[Index:Over the river- (IA overriver00thayiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originhistoryofd00thay_0/ The origin and history of the doctrine of endless punishment]
* [https://archive.org/details/theologyofuniver00thay/ Theology of Universalism]
* [[index:An examination of the doctrine of future retribution (IA examinationofdoc00ball).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity against infidelity.. (IA christianityagai00thay).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bible class assistant, or Scriptural guide for Sunday schools.. (IA bibleclassassist00thay).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/elevensermonswhi00ball/ The eleven sermons which were preached]
* [[Index:The Christian universalist (IA christianunivers00mitc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible proofs of universal salvation.. (IA bibleproofsofuni00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ancient history of universalism, from the time of the apostles to its condemnation in the fifth general council, A. D. 553 (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 1).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1842
* [[Index:Universalism, the prevailing doctrine of the Christian church during its first five hundred years; with authorities and extracts (IA universalismpre00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient history of universalism - from the time of the apostles, to the fifth general council - with an appendix, tracing the doctrine to the Reformation (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 0).pdf]], Boston Reprint, 1872
* [[Index:The divine government (IA divinegovernment00smit).pdf]], 5th Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/restorationofall00whit/ The restoration of all things]
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A critical exposition of the popular Jihád.pdf]]
* [[Index:Te Ika a Maui, or, New Zealand and its inhabitants - with the geology, natural history, productions, and climate of the country, etc. (IA teikamauiornewze1855rich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Polynesian Mythology by George Grey (polynesianmythol00greyuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths And Songs From The South Pacific (IA mythsandsongsfro013889mbp).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of Ma-ui-a demi god of Polynesia (IA legendsofmauiade00west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation myths of primitive America - in relation to the religious history and mental development of mankind (IA creationmyths00curtrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian legends of volcanoes (mythology) (IA hawaiianlegendso01west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of gods and ghosts (Hawaiian mythology).djvu]]
* [[Index:The legends and myths of Hawaii - the fables and folk-lore of a strange people (IA legendsmythsofha00kala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pele and Hiiaka; a myth from Hawaii (IA pelehiiakamythfr00emeriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian antiquities (Moolelo Hawaii) (IA hawaiianantiquit00malorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unwritten literature of Hawaii; the sacred songs of the hula (IA cu31924026916415).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Jewish proverbs (IA ancientjewishpro00cohe).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Babylonian Talmud- Tractate Berakot; translated into English for the first time, with introduction, commentary, glossary and indices (IA babyloniantalmud00coheiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sacred cosmogony; or, Primitive revelation demonstrated by the harmony of the facts of the Mosaic history of the creation, with the principles of general science (IA sacredcosmogonyo00sori).pdf]]
* [[Index:A short survey of the literature of rabbinical and mediæval Judaism (IA cu31924029285371).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Preaching of Islam, by T. W. Arnold; 1935.djvu]]
* [[Index:The religion of Islám (IA religionofislm00kleirich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originsofdruzepe00hitt/ The origins of the Druze people and religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects01wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects02wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 2]
* [[Index:A contribution to the comparative study of the medieval visions of heaven and hell (IA contributiontoco01beck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demon possession and allied themes; being an inductive study of phenomena of our own times (IA demonpossessiona00neviiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Devil Worship.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/heavenhellincomp0000kohl/ Heaven and hell in comparative religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/diabolologyperso1890jewe/ Diabolology]
* [[Index:The Book of the Goetia (Mathers-Crowley, 1904).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Key of Solomon the king (Clavicula Salomonis) (IA b24884431).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lesserkeyofsolom00dela/ The Lesser Key of Solomon]
* [[Index:Irish witchcraft and demonology (IA irishwitchcraftd00seymrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw2).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofworldswor00dobbuoft/ Story of the World's Worship]
* [https://archive.org/details/moonlore00harl/ Moon Lore]
* [[Index:Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/womansshareinpri00maso/ Woman's Share in Primitive Culture]
* [[Index:Germanic origins (IA germanicorigins00gumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman, church and state- a historical account of the status of woman through the Christian ages- with reminiscences of matriarchate - (IA womanchurchstate00gagerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Golden Bough (1922).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths and myth-makers- old tales and superstitions interpreted by comparative mythology (IA mythsandmythmake00fiskiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Researches in prehistoric and protohistoric comparative philology, mythology, and archæology, in connection with the origin of culture in America and the Accad or Sumerian families (IA researchesinpreh00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The material culture and social institutions of the simpler peoples; an essay in correlation (IA materialcultures00hobhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the science of comparative mythology and folklore (IA cu31924029075328).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility, and allied topics (IA cu31924030410801).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility and allied topics (IA b21778176).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Catholic's ready answer; a popular vindication of Christian beliefs and practices against the attacks of modern criticism (IA catholicsreadyan00hill).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/commentaryonbibl00peak/ A commentary on the Bible]
* [[Index:The Bible and astronomy; (IA bibleastronomy00kurt).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sunloreofallages00olco/ Sun Lore of All Ages]
* [[Index:An account of the life and writings of S. Irenæus (IA accountoflifewri00beav).pdf]]
* [[Index:Heresy and Chistian doctrine (IA heresychistiando00pres).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/observationsonhe0000whit/ Observations on heresy and orthodoxy]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalviewof00mcfa/ An historical view of heresies and vindication of the primitive fait]
* [[Index:The gnostic heresies of the first and second centuries (IA gnosticheresieso00mansrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aryan sun-myths the origin of religions; (IA aryansunmythsori00titcrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaicall philosophy - grounded upon the essentiall truth or eternal sapience (IA mosaicallphiloso00flud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of four-footed beasts and serpents. (IA historyoffourfoo00tops).pdf]]
* [[Index:The historie of foure-footed beastes (1607).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the Unseen World]
* [[Index:Angelology.. (IA angelology00clay).pdf]]
* [[Index:Angelology-.. (IA angelology00mcca).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30330610).pdf]], Blagraves astrological practice of physick
* [[Index:Anatomical texts of the earlier middle ages; a study in the transmission of culture (1927).djvu]]
* [[Index:Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (IA mobot31753000703782).pdf]], Paradisi in sole paradisus terrestris
* [[Index:The philosophy of witchcraft (IA philosophyofwitc00mitciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30529906).pdf]], The compleat wizzard
* [[Index:A commentary on the Holy Bible (1909) (IA commentaryonholy01dumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord, or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church; comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00luth).pdf]], 1st edition, 1851
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord = or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church - comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00henk).pdf]], 2nd edition 1854
* [[Index:Books from the Library of Congress (IA theologicalpropd03scha).pdf]], Theological propædeutic; a general introduction to the study of theology
* [[Index:A Complete System of Christian Theology (Wakefield, 1869, completesystemof0000wake).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Queen of Sheba &amp; her only son Menyelek (IA queenofshebahero00budgrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some answered questions; collected and tr. from the Persian of 'Abdu'l-Baha, by Laura Clifford Barney (IA someansweredques00abdurich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hujajul Beheyyeh (The Behai proofs) (IA hujajulbeheyyeht00abua).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sevenvalleysreve00bah/ The Seven Valleys]
* [[Index:Tablet of tarazat, Tablet of the world, Words of Paradise, Tablet of Tajalleyat, The glad tidings; (IA tabletoftarazatt00baharich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun01abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun0002abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [[Index:The theology and ethics of the Hebrews (IA theologyethicsof00duffiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thesixdaysofcrea00lewsuoft/ The Six Days of Creation]
* [[Index:The chemical history of the six days of creation (IA cu31924029284399).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/patriarchalageor00smituoft/ The patriarchal age; or, The history and religion of mankind]
* [[Index:The patriarchal age; (IA patriarchalage00phil).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the unseen world; a study in Old Testament religion]
* [[Index:The unity of the book of Genesis (IA unityofbookofge00gree).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees, translated from the Ethiopic (IA cu31924076045669).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Jubilees. Robert Henry Charles. 1902 (IA bookofjubileesor00char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees. Robert Charles, George Box. 1917 (IA bookofjubileesor01char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Exodus, with introduction and notes (IA bookofexoduswith00mcnerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bookofgenesisnot00drivuoft/ The Book of Genesis; with introduction and notes by S.R. Driver]
* [[Index:The legends of Genesis (IA legendsofgenesis00gunk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Genesis in the light of modern knowledge (IA bookofgenesisinl01worc).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/worldbeforeabrah00mitcuoft/ The World before Abraham, according to Genesis I-XI]
* [[Index:The creation - a commentary on the first five chapters of the book of Genesis (IA creationcommenta00luth).pdf]]
* [[Index:The genesis of Genesis; (IA genesisofgenesis00bacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early traditions of Genesis (IA earlytraditionso00gordrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/teachingvaluesof00stri/ Teaching values of the legends and myths of Genesis]]
* [[Index:The composition of the book of Genesis (IA compositionofbo00frip).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on the book of Genesis (IA notesonbookofgen00mackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Discourses on the book of Genesis (IA discoursesonbook00henriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indications of the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA indicationsoffir00latc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Outline studies in Genesis (IA outlinestudiesin00russ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies on the book of Genesis (IA studiesonbookof00prat).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early narratives of Genesis; a brief introduction to the study of Genesis I-XI (IA earlynarrativeso00rylerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes, critical and explanatory, on the book of Genesis ... (IA notescriticalexp00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation and the fall; a defence and exposition of the first three chapters of Genesis (IA creationfalldefe00macd).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/expositionofthre00glea/ An exposition of the three first chapters of Genesis, explained and improved]
* [[Index:The historical value of the first eleven chapters of Genesis; with some discussion of the new criticism (IA historicalvalueo00beac).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaic cosmogony. Literal translation of first chapter of Genesis, with annotations and rationalia (IA cu31924031786928).pdf]]
* [[Index:The first chapter of Genesis as the rock foundation for science and religion (IA cu31924031224789).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/notesobservation00scot/ Notes and observations upon the three first chapters of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/acriticalandexe01murpgoog/ A critical and exegetical commentary on the book of Genesis, 1st Edition, Edinburgh, 1863]
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- (IA genesisiii00grot).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1880
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- an essay on the Bible narrative of creation (IA genesisiiiessayo01grot).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1881
* [[Index:The tabernacle - or the Gospel according to Moses (IA tabernacleorgosp00junk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Tabernacle; its history and structure (IA tabernacleitshis00cald).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/primevalrevelati00jone/ Primeval Revelation: Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/messagesformorni00trum/ Messages for the Morning Watch: Devotional Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/beginningsofhebr00cole/ The Beginnings of the Hebrew People: Studies in the Book of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/genesisorfirstbo0000lang/ Genesis, or, the first book of Moses, together with a general theological and homiletical introduction to the Old Testament]
* [[Index:The myths of Israel, the ancient book of Genesis with analysis and explanation of its composition (IA mythsofisraelanc00fisk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ages before Moses- a series of lectures on the book of Genesis (IA cu31924029289737).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Jewish Interpretation of the Book of Genesis (Morgenstern, 1919, jewishinterpreta00morg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses called Genesis (IA cuponfi00patr).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA comfi00patr).pdf]], 2nd edition, missing pages
* [[Index:A companion to the book of Genesis (IA companiontobook00turn).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of Moses (IA lawofmoses00navi).pdf]]
* The covenant of nature made with Adam described {{esl|https://archive.org/details/covenantofnature00pync/}}
* [[Index:The history and philosophy of Judaism (IA historyphilosoph00shawiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Intermediate types among primitive folk- a study in social evolution (IA cu31924021843986).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity and sex problems (IA cu31924021843259).pdf]]
* [[Index:Source book for social origins; ethnological materials, psychological standpoint, classified and annotated bibliographies for the interpretation of savage society (IA sourcebookforsoc00thomiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sex and society; studies in the social psychology of sex (IA sexsocietystudie00thom).pdf]]
* [[Index:Man and woman (electronic resource) - a study of human secondary sexual characters (IA b20410761).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to systematic philosophy (IA introductiontosy00marv).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to philosophy (IA introductiontoph00flet).pdf]]
* [[Index:Book of Mormon (1830, bookofmormonacco1830smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy scriptures (IA holyscriptures00smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indago astrologica- or a brief and modest enquiry into some principal points of astrology (IA b30333519).pdf]]
* [[Index:An encyclopaedia of occultism a compendium of information on the occult sciences, occult personalities, psychic science, magic, demonology, spiritism and mysticism.djvu]]
* [[Index:The long lost friend, or, Faithful &amp; Christian instructions (0223252.nlm.nih.gov ,John George Hohman, 1850).djvu]]
* [[Index:Summa Theologica (2nd rev. ed.) - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The abridgment of Christian divinitie.djvu]]
* [[Index:Alcoran of Mahomet 1649.djvu]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of Islam.djvu]]
* [[Index:Thomas Patrick Hughes - Notes on Muhammadanism - 2ed. (1877).djvu]]
* [[Index:The discouerie of witchcraft (1584) (IA b30337367).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mirror of Alchimy (1597, mirrorofalchimy00baco).djvu]]
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:Three Books of Occult Philosophy (De Occulta Philosophia) (1651).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Magus, or Celestial Intelligencer - Barrett - 1801.djvu]]
* [[Index:St Augustine Of the Citie of God.pdf]]
* [[Index:1582 Rhemes New Testament.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy Bible (LSV).pdf]]
* [[Index:Batman upon Bartolome.djvu]]
* [[Index:An analysis of the Egyptian mythology- to which is subjoined, a critical examination of the remains of Egyptian chronology (IA b29350074).pdf]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 2.djvu]]

====Economic/Social studies/History/Law====
* [[Index:Problems of readjustment after the war (IA problemsofreadju00newy).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of government organization and management (IA principlesofgove00clev).pdf]]
* [[Index:The new spirit of the new army; a message to the &quot;service flag&quot; homes (IA newspiritofnewar00odel).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church in America; a study of the present condition and future prospects of American Protestantism (IA churchinamericas01brow).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/middletownstudyi0000lynd/ Middletown: a study in American culture]
* [[Index:Organized self-government (IA organizedselfgov00daws).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jewishselfgovern00fink/ Jewish self-government in the middle ages]
* [https://archive.org/details/citiesinevolutio00gedduoft/ Cities in Evolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpublicli0000unse/ The American Public Library and the Diffusion of Knowledge]
* [[Index:Co-operative housekeeping; how not to do it and how to do it (IA cooperativehouse00peir).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar and the rise of the Mughal empire; (IA akbarriseofmugha00mallrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar, emperor of India, a picture of life and customs from the sixteenth century (IA akbaremperorofin00garb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins02abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins01abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local government in Francia and England- a comparison of the local administration and jurisdiction of the Carolingian empire with that of the West Saxon kingdom (IA localgovernmenti00camhiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The making of the English constitution, 449-1485 (IA makingofenglishc00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the shire, being the lore, history and evolution of English county institutions (IA storyofshirebein00hack).pdf]]
* [[Index:The polity of the ancient Hebrews (IA polityofancienth00sulzrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz - the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA cu31924089135754).pdf]], 2nd Printing, 1910
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz, the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA amhaaretzancient00sulziala).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/revolutionbyreas0000stra/ Revolution by Reason, an account of the financial proposals submitted by Oswald Mosley at the 33d Independent Labour Party Conference]
* [[Index:The story of rapid transit (IA storyofrapidtran00willrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Interborough rapid transit; the New York subway, its construction and equipment (IA interboroughrapi00interich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ethnologyofakamb00hobluoft/ Ethnology of A-Kamba and other East African Tribes]
* [https://archive.org/details/africapastpresen00mois/ Africa: Past and Present]
* [https://archive.org/details/soulofbantusympa00will_0/ The Soul of the Bantu]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofislando00copl/ A History of the Island of Madagascar]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor01oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor02oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/b31516993/ The Antananarivo annual and Madagascar magazine]
* [[Index:The history of Dahomy, an inland kingdom of Africa (IA b28764808).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Visigothic Code.djvu]]
* [[Index:A manual of elementary law (IA cu31924018811376).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/countrytownstudy00andeuoft/ The Country Town]
* [[Index:Principles of American state administration, by John Mabry Mathews. (IA principlesofamer00math).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on Slavonic law, being the Ilchester lectures for the year 1900; (IA cu31924022021566).pdf]]
* [[index:Ideals of America; (IA idealsofamerica00city).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/urbancommunityse00burgrich/ The Urban Community]
* [https://archive.org/details/chicagoexperimen00smit/ Chicago, an Experiment in Social Science Research]
* [https://archive.org/details/howesneweracivic00howe/ Howe's new era civics]
* [https://archive.org/details/safeguardingamer00atwoiala Safeguarding american ideals]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpolitica00merriala/ American political ideas; studies in the development of American political thought 1865-1917]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanthoughtf00rilerich/ American thought: from Puritanism to pragmatism]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924007488954/ The foundations of American foreign policy]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924031446465/ Liberty, Union and Democracy, The National Ideas of America]
* [https://archive.org/details/nationalgovernme00kimbrich/ The national government of the United States]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallawsagenci00unse/ Social laws and agencies of North Carolina]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanidealsot0000unse/ American ideals, and other essays, social and political]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hillrich/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanizationp00talb/ Americanization]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hill/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourdualgovernmen00broo/ Our dual government, studies in Americanism for young people]
* [https://archive.org/details/everydayamerican00canbrich/ Everyday Americans]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofamerican00hopk/ A manual of American ideas]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac01form/ The American democracy, 1920]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac00form/ The American Democracy, 1921, 2nd Printing]
* [https://archive.org/details/citizensguideorm00gibs/ The citizens' guide]
* [[Index:Community buildings for industrial towns (IA communitybuildin00comm).pdf]]
* [[index:Rural and small community recreation. Suggestions for utilizing the resources of rural communities; (IA ruralsmallcommun00commrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A course in citizenship and patriotism (IA courseincitizens00cabo).pdf]]
* [[Index:A selected bibliography and syllabus of the history of the South, 1584-1876 (IA selectedbibliogr00boydrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The demonstration work; Dr. Seaman A. Knapp's contribution to civilization (IA demonstrationwor00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Party organization and machinery (IA partyorgmachiner00macy).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of Negro extension work, 1914-1924 (IA decadeofnegroext72mart).pdf]]
* [[Index:Educational resources of village and rural communities (IA educationalresou00hart).pdf]]
* [[Index:The validity of American ideals (IA validityofameric01math).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church and the community (IA cu31924014043362).pdf]]
* [[Index:Social ideals of a free church (IA socialidealsoffr00forbiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christian Americanization; a task for the churches (IA brookschristiana00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:America via the neighborhood (IA americavianeighb00danirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our neighborhood; good citizenship in rural communities (IA cu31924080075959).pdf]]
* [[Index:The free city; a book of neighborhood (IA freecitybookofne00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Neighborhood entertainments (IA cu31924014493542).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rural community organization (IA ruralcommunityor00haye).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community center; what it is and how to organize it (IA communitycenterw00jack).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community church; the story of a minister's experience which led him from the church militant to the church democratic (IA communitychurchs00jackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Community organization (IA communityorganiz00hartiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialservicefor00ward_0/ Social Services for Young People]
* [[Index:Pupil self-government, its theory and practice (IA pupilselfgovernm00cron).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/communityorganiz00stei/ Community Organization: A Study of its Current Theory and Practice]
* [[Index:The little democracy, a text-book on community organization (IA littledemocracyt00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The country church and community cooperation (IA countrychurchcom00israrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local and central government; a comparative study of England, France, Prussia, and the United States (IA localcentralgove00ashl).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal administration in Germany as seen in the government of a typical Prussian city, Halle a-S (IA municipaladminis00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of Prussian administration (IA principlesofprus00jamerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/governmentadmini0000blac/ The Government and Administration of Germany]
* [[Index:The government of Wyoming - the history, constitution and administration of affairs (IA governmentofwyom00heba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The principles of the administrative law of the United States (IA principlesofadmi00good).pdf]]
* [[Index:Statesman's handbook for Russia (IA statesmanshandbo00russrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warrussiangovern0000unse/ The war and the Russian government. The central government]
* [[Index:Modern customs and ancient laws of Russia; being the Ilchester lectures for 1889-90; (IA cu31924014085983).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lancasteryorkcen01rams/ Lancaster and York, Volume 1]
* [[Index:Lancaster and York; a century of English history (A.D. 1399-1485) (IA cu31924088011436).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The houses of Lancaster and York, with the conquest and loss of France; (IA housesoflancaste01gair).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warsofroses00mowauoft/ The Wars of the Roses]
* [[Index:Wales and the wars of the Roses (IA waleswarsofroses00evanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:English towns in the wars of the Roses (IA englishtownsinwa00wins).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal government in Ireland - medieval &amp; modern (IA municipalgovernm00webbrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:Men of the old stone age, their environment, life and art (IA menofoldstoneage00osborich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The English in the middle ages; from the Norman usurpation to the days of the Stuarts. Their mode of life, dress, arms, occupations, and amusements. As illustrated in the British Museum (IA englishinmiddlea00hodg).pdf]]
* [[Index:Arms and armour in antiquity and the middle ages - also a descriptive notice of modern weapons (IA b24865990).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/armourweapons00ffouuoft/ Armour &amp; Weapons]
* [https://archive.org/details/treatiseonancien00grosrich/ A treatise on ancient armour and weapons]
* [[Index:An illustrated history of arms and armour from the earliest period to the present time (IA illustratedhisto00demmrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Germany in the later Middle Ages, 1200-1500 (IA germanyinlatermi00stub).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ayliffejuriscanonici/ Parergon Juris Canonici Anglicani]
* [[Index:The Effects of Civilisation on the People in European States.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/developmentofeur0000smit/ The Development of European Law]
* [[Index:The Art of War in the Middle Ages (Chadwick, 1885, artofwarinmiddle00omanuoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:The History of the Isle of Man (1780, historyofisleofm00dubl).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 1 (1101-1377).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 2 (1377-1509).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 3 (1509-47).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 1 (1547-84).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 2 (1586-1625).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 5 (1628-80).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 6 (1685-94).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 7 (1695-1701).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 8 (1702-7).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 9 (1708-13).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Alphabetical Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Chronological Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Laws and Acts of Parliament of Scotland.djvu]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the middle ages (375-814) (IA introductiontost00emer).pdf]]
* [[Index:Villainage in England; essays in English mediaeval history (IA cu31924024908356).pdf]]
* [[Index:Law and politics in the middle ages, with a synoptic table of sources (IA cu31924030432532).pdf]]
* [[Index:De republica Anglorum. The maner of gouernement or policie of the realme of England, compiled by the honorable sir Thomas Smyth .. (IA ita-bnc-mag-00002562-001).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Lexicon of Medieval Nordic Law (OBP.0188, 2020).pdf]]
* [[Index:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.djvu]]
* [[Index:The riddles of the Exeter book (IA riddlesofexeterb00tupp).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Law of the Westgoths - tr. Bergin - 1906.djvu]]
* [[Index:Laws of the Earliest English Kings.djvu]]
* [[Index:The sources of the law of England - an historical introduction to the study of English law (IA cu31924021687227).pdf]]
* [[Index:George Philips, Lex parliamentaria (1st ed, 1690).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of economics (IA historyofeconomi00macliala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian currency and finance (IA indiancurrencyfi00keynuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:An inquiry into the various systems of political economy- their advantages and disadvantages- and the theory most favourable to the increase of national wealth (IA inquiryintovario00gani).pdf]]
* [[Index:National system of political economy (IA nationalsystemof00list).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of political economy; or, Elementary view of the manner in which the wealth of nations is produced, increased, distributed, and consumed (IA introductiontost00boilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Theory of Moral Sentiments.pdf]]
* [[Index:Treatise on Probability, Keynes, 1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:Monasticon Anglicanum, or, The history of the ancient abbies, and other monasteries, hospitals, cathedral and collegiate churches in England and Wales. With divers French, Irish (IA monasticonanglic00dugd).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of Gothic architecture (IA introductiontost00park 9).pdf]], 1st edition
* [[Index:Architecture; an introduction to the history and theory of the art of building (IA architectureintr00leth 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Race distinctions in American Law (IA racedistinctions00stepiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of city planning and zoning (IA lawofcityplannin00williala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The improvement of towns and cities - or, The practical basis of civic aesthetics (IA improvementoftow00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern civic art - or, The city made beautiful (IA moderncivicartor00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of civic development (IA decadeofcivicdev00zueb).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning, with special reference to the planning of streets and lots (IA cu31924064909660).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern city planning and maintenance (IA moderncityplanni00koes).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning; a series of papers presenting the essential elements of a city plan (IA cityplanningseri00noleiala).pdf]]

=====Labor, Socialism, Anarchism, Communist, Feminism, LGBTQ+=====
* [https://archive.org/details/diggermovementin00bereuoft/ The Digger movement in the days of the Commonwealth]
* [[Index:The socialist movement in England (IA socialistmovemen00shawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:England for all (IA englandforall00hyndiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fundamentalprobl0000edit/ Fundamental Problems of Marxism]
* [https://archive.org/details/karlmarxfriedric0000unse/ Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels]
* [https://archive.org/details/bolsheviktheory0000post/ The Bolshevik Theory]
* [[Index:Americanism; a world menace (IA americanismworld00coly).pdf]]
* [[Index:Emma Goldman - The Social Significance of the Modern Drama - 1914.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx and modern socialism (IA karlmarxmodernso00salt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx; his life and work (IA cu31924002310864).pdf]], John Spargo, 1912
* [https://archive.org/details/karlmarxhislifew00rhle/ Karl Marx; his life and work, Otto Ruhle, 1929]
* [[Index:The old freedom (IA oldfreedom00neilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A History of Socialism.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/marxianeconomics00unte/ Marxian Economics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:The revolt of democracy (IA revoltofdemocrac00wallrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialismofchris00bierrich/ Socialism of Christ]
* [[Index:German Social Democracy - Six Lectures by Bertrand Russell.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx - Wage Labor and Capital - tr. Harriet E. Lothrop (1902).djvu]]
* [[Index:The ego and his own (IA egohisown00stiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ten blind leaders of the blind - by Arthur M. Lewis (IA tenblindleaderso00lewirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Egoists, a book of supermen- (IA egoistsbookofsu00hune).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/philosophyofegoi00walk/ The Philosophy of Egoism]
* [[Index:Anarchism (Eltzbacher, 1908 English translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Socialist Review (1900-1918), Vol. 1, Issue 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Jungle (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchy and Anarchists (Schaack, 1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchism; a criticism and history of the anarchist theory (IA anarchismcritici00zenkiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Anarchism and socialism (IA anarchismsociali00plek).pdf]]
* [[Index:Trade unionism in the United States (IA cu31924013988195).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of trade unionism in the United States (IA historyoftradeun00perliala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoryoflabormov0000seli/ A Theory of the Labor Movement]
* [[Index:Communism in America; (IA communisminameri00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA communistsocieties00nordrich).pdf]], The Communistic Societies of the United States
* [https://archive.org/details/leftwingunionism/ Left Wing Unionism]
* [[Index:Jay Lovestone - Blood and Steel (1923)).djvu]]
* ''History of American Socialisms'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofamerica00innoye/page/14/mode/2up}}
* [[Index:On labour, its wrongful claims and rightful dues, its actual present and possible future (IA onlabouritswrong00thor).pdf]]
* [[Index:Voluntary socialism; a sketch (IA voluntarysociali00tandrich).pdf]], 2nd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/voluntarysocial01tandgoog/ Voluntary Socialism, 1st Edition]
* [[Index:Arkady Joseph Sack - The Birth of the Russian Democracy (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The struggle for existence (IA struggleforexist00millrich).pdf]], First Edition
* [[Index:Direct action (IA directaction00mell).pdf]]

=====Racism, Antisemitism, National Socialism, KKK, Nationalism, Right, etc.=====
* [[Index:The revolt against civilization; the menace of the under man (IA cu31924016895975).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/reddragonblacksh00phil/ The &quot;Red&quot; Dragon and the Black Shirts]
* [https://archive.org/details/pragmaticrevolti00elli/ The pragmatic revolt in politics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolinipopecom1501mcca/ Mussolini and the Pope]
* [https://archive.org/details/popeormussolini0000hear/ Pope or Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss00sarf/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 6th Printing, UK Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss0000mang/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 5th Printing, US Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/isantichristatha0000smit/ Is the Antichrist at hand? What of Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalcauses00trevuoft/ The historical causes of the present state of affairs in Italy]
* [[Index:L. W. - Fascism, Its History and Significance (1924).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/makingfasciststa0000herb/ Making the Fascist State]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-need-for-fascism-in-great-britain The Need for Fascism in Great Britain]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistdictators0001gaet/ The Fascist Dictatorship in Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolininewital0000alex/ Mussolini and the New Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolini0000unse/ Mussolini as Revealed in His Political Speeches]
* [[Index:Behold Our New Empire Mussolini (IA BeholdOurNewEmpireMussolini).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/1928UniversalAspectsOfFascism/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 1st Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.5084/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/italytoday0000foxf/ Italy To-day]
* [https://archive.org/details/thetheoryofminda00gentuoft/ The Theory of Mind as a Pure Act]
* [https://archive.org/details/blackmagic00kenn/ Black Magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/pedigreeoffascis0000alin/ The Pedigree of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/strenuousitalyso00gayh/ Strenuous Italy]
* [[Index:Sociology for the South - or, The failure of free society (IA sociologyforsout00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cannibals all! or, Slaves without masters (IA cannibalsallorsl00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Negro-Mania- Being an Examination of the Falsely Assumed Equality of the Various Races of Men (IA DKC0100).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary01tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 1: Revolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary02tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 2: The Commune]
* [[Index:Meccania, the super-state (IA meccaniasupersta00greg).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/pangermanleague10000wert/ The Pan-German League]
* [[Index:The pan-Germanic doctrine; being a study of German political aims and aspirations (IA pangermanicdoctr00harrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pan-germanism, its plans for German expansion in the world (IA pangermanismitsp00andlrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Antisemitism, its history and causes (IA antisemitismitsh00lazaiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thenegroabeastorintheimageofgod/ &quot;The Negro A Beast&quot;, Or &quot;In The Image Of God&quot;]
* [https://archive.org/details/americannegrodependentdefectivedelinquent/ The American Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negroamenacetoamericancivilization/ The Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrosouthernersproblem/ The Negro: The Southernor's Problem]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrocriminality_202001/ Negro Criminality]
* [https://archive.org/details/sexualcrimesamongsouthernnegroes/ Sexual Crimes among the Southern Negroes]
* [https://archive.org/details/whitesupremacyandnegrosubordination/ White Supremacy and Negro Subordination]
* [https://archive.org/details/slaveryasitrela00priegoog/ Slavery, as it Relates to the Negro]
* [[Index:Bible Defence of Slavery.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/TheRiddleOfTheJewsSuccess/ The Riddle of the Jews Success]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.38804/ Racial Elements Of European History]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/italyundermussol0000unse/ Italy under Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeordeathstory00beal/ Rome or Death! The Story of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/odon-por.-fascism-1923_202107/ Fascism, Odon Por]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistmovementi00gorguoft/ The Fascist Movement in Italian Life]
* [[Index:My Autobiography (1928) - by Benito Mussolini.pdf]]
* [[Index:The ravings of a renegade ; being the War essays of Houston Stewart Chamberlain (IA ravingsofrenegad00chamrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin01cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin02cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 2
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 2).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Decline of the West.pdf]], combined Volume, 1932 edition
* [[Index:The inequality of human races (1915).djvu]]
* [[Index:The moral and intellectual diversity of races - with particular reference to their respective influence in the civil and political history of mankind (IA bub gb uRvNQHqLj0kC).pdf]]
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA passingofgreatra01gran).pdf]], 4th Edition
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA cu31924029874330).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ku Klux Klan (H.H. Wilson Reference Shelf) (IA kukluxklan00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Klan unmasked, (IA klanunmasked00simm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Catalogue of Official Robes and Banners - Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Incorporated, Atlanta, Georgia (1925) - Catalogueofoffic00kukl.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Ku Klux klan- a study of the American mind (IA kukluxklanastudy00meck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Papers read at the meeting of Grand dragons, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan at their first- annual meet (IA papersreadatmeet01kukl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/authentichistor00davi/ Authentic history, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924083530117/ The Ku Klux Klan or Invisible Empire]

==== Ancient Rome/Byzantine Studies/Latin/Classics ====
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028520728/ Syria as a Roman Province]
* [https://archive.org/details/spainunderromane00bouc/ Spain under the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The Gracchi, Marius, and Sulla (IA cu31924074596879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Seven Roman statesmen of the later republic- The Gracchi. Sulla. Crassus. Cato. Pompey. Caesar (IA sevenromanstates00oman).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romaneducationfr0000gwyn_n9h9/ Roman education from Cicero to Quintilian]
* [[Index:Manual of classical literature (IA manualofclassica00eschrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofhistoryo00mattuoft/ A manual of the history of Greek and Roman literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofclassica00morr/ A Manual of Classical Literature]
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212877).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 1
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212885).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 2
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212893).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 3
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern0001unse/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern00sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern03sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 3]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay01bussiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay02bussiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempirer0000foor/ The Byzantine Empire]
* [[Index:The history of Greece - from its conquest by the crusaders to its conquest by the Turks, and of the empire of Trebizond ; 1204-1461 (IA historyofgreecef00finl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil01clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil02clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/churcheasternemp00toze/ The Church and the Eastern Empire]
* [[Index:Roman society in the last century of the Western empire (IA cu31924028321333).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romansocietyinla0000dill/ roman society in the last century of the western empire, 2nd edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [[Index:Some phases of the problem of provincial administration under the Roman republic (IA somephasesofprob00mars).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/phasescorruptio01jollgoog/ Phases of corruption in Roman administration in the last half-century of the Roman republic]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanpoliticalin0000homo_f4f9/ Roman political institutions from city to state]
* [[Index:A history of Rome to 565 A. D. (IA cu31924028286726).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrometo500boak_0/ A history of Rome to 565 A.D., 2nd Edition, 1929]
* [[Index:A general history of Rome from the foundation of the city to the fall of Augustulus, B.C. 753-A.D. 476 (IA cu31924031259587).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rome- from the fall of the western empire (IA romefromfallofwe00trev).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studyofcognomina00deanuoft/ A study of the cognomina of soldiers in the Roman legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlegions0000park_q5m2/ The Roman Legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/sourcebookofroma0000munr/ A source book of Roman history]
* [[Index:Was the Roman army provided with medical officers? (electronic resource) (IA b21464625).pdf]]
* [[Index:Infamia- its place in Roman public and private law (IA cu31924021131531).pdf]]
* [[Index:The reorganization of Spain by Augustus (IA reorganization00vannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/publiclibrariesl00boyduoft/ Public Libraries and Literary Culture in Ancient Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrome00leigiala/ A History of Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/greeceunderroman00finluoft/ Greece under the Romans]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineportrai00dieh/ Byzantine Portraits]
* [https://archive.org/details/expressesofconta0000unse/ The Empresses of Constantinople]
* [[Index:Roman public life (IA romanpubliclife00greeiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Arab conquest of Egypt and the last thirty years of the Roman dominion (IA arabconquestofeg00butl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [https://archive.org/details/greekromanfolklo0000hall_x8n7/ Greek and Roman Folklore]
* [[Index:Public lands and agrarian laws of the Roman republic- (IA publiclandsagrar00step).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sixromanlaws00harduoft/ Six Roman Laws]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two studies in later Roman and Byzantine administration]
* [https://archive.org/details/freshlightonroma0000jone/ Fresh Light on Roman Bureaucracy]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianityroma0000addi/ Christianity and the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:Christianity and the Roman government (IA christianityroma00hardrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early Christians in Rome (1911).djvu]]
* [[Index:Historical revelations of the relation existing between Christianity and paganism since the disintegration of the Roman Empire (IA historicalrevela00juli).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christians in Rome (IA christiansinrome00mobe).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman ; her position and influence in ancient Greece and Rome, and among the early Christians .. (IA womanherposition00donarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the Romans; (IA storyromans00guergoog).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman Africa; an outline of the history of the Roman occupation of North Africa, based chiefly upon inscriptions and monumental remains in that country (IA cu31924028722134).pdf]]
* [[Index:An outline of Greek and Roman history, the result of class room work (IA outlineofgreekro00chad).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-illustrated-history-of-rome-and-the-roman-empire-1877/ The Illustrated History of Rome And The Roman Empire]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianitynati00wooduoft/ Christianity and Nationalism in the Later Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The conversion of the Roman empire (IA conversionofrom00meri).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintohi00ihneuoft/ Researches into the history of the Roman constitution]
* [[Index:Traces of Greek philosophy and Roman law in the New Testament (IA cu31924029302423).pdf]]
* [[Index:UPenn-Translations and Reprints-vol6.djvu]]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161302).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161344).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161310).pdf]], Volume 3
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161419).pdf]], Volume 4 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr04greg/ Volume 4 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161351).pdf]], Volume 5 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr05greg/ Volume 5 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161369).pdf]], Volume 6 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityo06greguoft/ Volume 6 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161377).pdf]], Volume 7 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr07greg/ Volume 7 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161385).pdf]], Volume 8 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr08greg/ Volume 8 Part 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienttownplan00have/ Ancient Town-planning]
* [[Index:The Ancient City- A Study on the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome.djvu]]
* [[Index:Physical science in the time of Nero; being a translation of the Quaestiones naturales of Seneca (IA physicalsciencei00seneiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman and the Teuton; a series of lectures delivered before the University of Cambridge (IA romanteutonserie01king).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineartarch00dalt/ Byzantine Art and Archaeology]
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria01gray).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria02gray).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand01denniala).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand02denniala).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Etruria-Celtica- Etruscan Literature and Antiquities Investigated, in Two Volumes, Vol. I (IA dli.granth.53608).pdf]], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/etruriacelticaet02beth/ Etruria-Celtica] Volume 2
* [https://archive.org/details/etruscanresearch00tayl/ Etruscan Researches]
* [[Index:Etruscan inscriptions (IA etruscaninscript00crawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Etruscan Bologna- a study (IA etruscanbolognas00burtiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman imperialism (IA romanimperialism00fran).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tacitus and Other Roman Studies.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/invasionofeurope0000jbbu/ the invasion of europe by the barbarians]
* [[Index:A constitutional and political history of Rome, from the earliest times to the reign of Domitian (IA cu31924030431435).pdf]]
* [[Index:The development of the Roman constitution (IA developmentofrom00tighrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Coins of the Romans relating to Britain, described and illustrated (IA coinsofromansrel00aker).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the ancient Britons, from the earliest period to the invasion of the Saxons (IA historyofancient00gile).pdf]]
* [[Index:The invasion of Britain by Julius Caesar (IA invasionofbritai00lewi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman era in Britain (IA romanerainbritai00wardiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Romanization of Roman Britain (IA romanizationofro00haverich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman roads in Britain (IA romanroadsinbrit00codr).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Celt, the Roman, and the Saxon; (IA celtromansaxon00wrig).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Britain in the light of modern archaeological discoveries (IA ancientbritainin00delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec01thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec02thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofpictsor00abbauoft/ A History of the Picts or Romano-British Wall]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanfrontierpos0000jame/ A Roman frontier post and its people]
* [[Index:Illustrations of Roman London (IA illustrationsofr00smitrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/londiniumarchite0000wrle/ Londinium Architecture and the Crafts]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourromanhighways00forbuoft/ Our Roman Highways]
* [[Index:History of Romulus (IA historyofromulusabbott).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00don).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00donarich).pdf]], 2nd edition.
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00dona).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/primitiveitalybe0000homo/ Primitive Italy and the beginnings of Roman imperialism]
* [https://archive.org/details/stonebronzeagesi00peetuoft/ The stone and bronze ages in Italy and Sicily]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempire00foor/ The Byzantine Empire (Edward Foord)]
* [[Index:The Byzantine Empire (IA byzantineempire00omanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on Byzantine music (IA cu31924022269744).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine the Great; the reorganisation of the empire and the triumph of the church (IA constantinegreat00firt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine, the last emperor of the Greeks; or, The conquest of Constantinople by the Turks (A.D. 1453) after the latest historical researches; (IA constantinelaste00mijarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine history in the early Middle Ages; the Rede lecture, delivered in the Senate House, Cambridge, June 12, 1900 (IA cu31924005774702).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine architecture; illustrated by examples of edifices erected in the East during the earliest ages of Christianity, with historical &amp; archaeological descriptions (IA gri 33125009314648).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman emperor worship (IA cu31924028269490).pdf]]
* [[Index:The last Cæsars of Byzantium (IA lastcsarsofbyzan00todi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Latins in the Levant - a history of Frankish Greece, 1204-1566 (IA latinsinlevanthi00mill 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Fall of Constantinople.djvu]]
* [[Index:Destruction of the Greek Empire.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Romane historie (IA romanehistorie00livy).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman assemblies from their origin to the end of the republic (IA cu31924030431534).pdf]]
* [[Index:The imperial civil service of Rome (IA imperialcivilser00matt).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Greek constitutional history (IA handbookofgreekc00gree).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeregalrepubli00striuoft/ Rome, Regal and Republican]
* [https://archive.org/details/dayinoldromepic00davi/ A Day in Old Rome]
* [[Index:The general, civil and military administration of Noricum and Raetia (IA generalcivilmili00peakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Life and letters in Roman Africa microform (IA lifelettersinrom00boucrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Romae antiquae notitia, or, The antiquities of Rome - in two parts ... - with copper cuts of the principal buildings, etc. - to which are prefix'd two essays (IA romaeantiquaenot00kenn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A manual of Greek literature - from the earliest authentic periods to the close of the Byzantine era (IA manualgreek00anthrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studentscompanio00midd/ The student's companion to Latin authors]
* [[Index:Loeb Classical Library, L001 (1919).djvu]]
* A History of the Republic of Rome {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofrepubli00bake/}}
* [[Index:Philological museum (IA cu31924104094903).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:Philological Museum v2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 1, 1854.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 2, 1855.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 3, 1857.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 4, 1859.djvu]]
* [[Index:Harper's dictionary of classical literature and antiquities (IA cu31924027019482).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities (1842, dictionaryofgree00smit 5).djvu]]
* [[Index:The auxilia of the Roman Imperial Army (IA auxiliaofromanim00cheerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1827) Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Topography and Monuments of Ancient Rome (1st Ed., Plattner, 1904, topographymonume0000plat v8a2).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine Constantinople - the walls of the city and adjoining historical sites (IA byzantineconstan00vanm).pdf]]
* A Companion To Latin Studies {{esl|https://archive.org/details/companiontolatin00sand/}}
* [[Index:A handbook of Rome and the Campagna (IA handbookofromeca00john 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Stories of ancient Rome (IA storiesofancient00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Rome (IA earlyrome00ihne).pdf]]
* [[Index:Men, events, lawyers, politics and politicians of early Rome (IA meneventslawyers00wage).pdf]]
* [[Index:State and family in early Rome (IA statefamilyinear00launiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The seven kings of the Seven Hills (IA sevenkingsofseve00lain).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [[Index:The history of the kings of Rome. With a prefatory dissertation on its sources and evidence (IA historyofkingsof00dyerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The kings of Rome (IA kingsofrome00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Regal Rome, an Introduction to Roman History (1852, Newman, London, regalromeintrodu00newmuoft).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [https://archive.org/details/primitivefortif00parkgoog/ The primitive fortifications of the city of Rome, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/handbookofromanl0000radi/ handbook of roman law]
* [[Index:The origin and history of contract in Roman law down to the end of the republican period - being the Yorke prize essay for the year 1893 (IA cu31924021131366).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-new-pandect-of-roman-c_ayliffe-john_1734/ A new pandect of Roman civil law]
* [[Index:Preliminary Lecture to the Course of Lectures on the Institutions of Justinian (Wilde, 1794, bim eighteenth-century preliminary-lecture-to-t wilde-john 1794).pdf]]
* An introduction to the study of Justinian's digest {{esl|https://archive.org/details/introductiontost00roby/}}
* [[Index:The ecclesiastical edicts of the Theodosian code (IA ecclesiasticaled00boydrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/legacyofrome00bail/ The Legacy of Rome]
* [[Index:Nomos Rhodon nautikos. The Rhodian sea-law (IA nomosrhodonnauti00byzarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Roman Law, The Regal Period (Clark, 1872, earlyromanlawreg00claruoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Roman Britain (Collingwood, First Ed., 1924, b29827590).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to the private law of Rome (IA historicalintrod00muiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Gaii institutionum iuris civilis commentarii quattuor, or, Elements of Roman law by Gaius (Poste, Third Edition, 1890, gaiiinstitution00gaiu).djvu]]
* [[Index:A history and description of Roman political institutions (IA historyanddescri00abbo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Britannia Romana, or, The Roman Antiquities of Britain in Three Books (britanniaromanao00hors, John Horsley, 1732).djvu]]
* [[Index:The municipalites of the Roman empire (IA municipalitesofr00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Selected Letters of Cicero (Abbott, 1897, selectedletterso0000cice u2i6).pdf]]
* [[Index:Society and politics in ancient Rome; essays and sketches (IA cu31924087980326).pdf]]
* [[Index:The common people of ancient Rome- studies of Roman life and literature (IA cu31924028267841).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman system of provincial administration to the accession of Constantine the Great, being the Arnold prize essay for 1879 (IA romansystemofpro00arnoiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two Studies in Later Roman and Byzantine Administration]
* [[Index:The imperial administrative system in the ninth century, with a revised text of Kletorologion of Philotheos (IA imperialadminist00buryrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal Administration in the Roman Empire (1926, Abbot and Johnson, municipaladminis00abbo).pdf]]

==== Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics ====
* [[Index:Pseudodoxia epidemica, or, Enquiries into very many received tenents, and commonly presumed truths (IA b30335760).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cycling (IA cyclingc00alberich).pdf]], Cycling, Badminton Library, 5th Edition
* [[Index:The bicycle- its care and repair (IA bicycleitscarere00vonc).pdf]]
* [[Index:https://archive.org/details/commonsenseofbic00ward/]], Bicycling for ladies
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:Origin of Modern Calculating Machines.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A general history of mathematics from the earliest times to the middle of the eighteenth century (IA generalhistoryof00bossrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The teaching and history of mathematics in the United States (IA teachinghistoryo00cajorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Higher mathematics - a textbook for classical and engineering colleges (IA highermathematic00merrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cornell University Library digitization (IA cu31924001078777).pdf]], Mathematical Dictionary and Cyclopedia of Mathematical Science
* [https://archive.org/details/principlesofmech00hertuoft/ The Principles of Mechanics]
* [[Index:Collected papers in physics and engineering (IA collectedpapersi00thomrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Theory of functions of a complex variable (IA functcomplexvari00forsrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the elements of the differential and integral calculus (IA introductiontost00harnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on elementary trigonometry (IA treatiseonelemen00lockrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Elementary trigonometry (IA elementarytrigon00paterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Earliest arithmetics in English (IA earliestarithmet00alexrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to mathematical literature (IA cu31924064123536).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/calculus0000henr/ Calculus]
* [https://archive.org/details/electiccircuitth0000john Electric Circuit Theory and the Operational Calculus]
* [[Index:Graphical and mechanical computation (IA cu31924004667550).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on computation; an account of the chief methods for contracting and abbreviating arithmetical calculations (IA treatiseoncomput00langiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Daedalus; or, Science and the Future (1924, E.P. Dutton &amp; Company).pdf]]
* [[Index:Science (journal) Volume 1 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 1 (1837).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 2 (1841).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 3 (1843).djvu]]
* [[Index:Getty Research Institute (IA economiccottageb00dwye).pdf]], The Economic Cottage Builder
* [[Index:Elements of angling; a book for beginners (IA elementsofanglin00sherrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A book on angling; being a complete treatise on the art of angling in every branch (IA bookonanglingbei00franrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fishcraft, a treatise on fresh water fish and fishing (IA fishcrafttreatis00pond).pdf]]
* [[Index:The potter's craft - a practical guide for the studio and workshop (IA potterscraftprac00binn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of camping and woodcraft - a guidebook for those who travel in the wilderness (IA bookofcampingwoo00keph).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp craft, modern practice and equipment (IA campcraftmodernp00millrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp kits and camp life (IA campkitscamplife00hankiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft (IA bookofwoodcraft00seto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft and Indian lore (IA bookofwoodcrafti02seto).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Harper's camping and scouting; an outdoor guide for American boys; (IA harperscampingsc00grinrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Shelters, shacks, and shanties (IA sheltersshackssh01bear).pdf]]
* [[Index:The electric telegraph - its history and progress.. (IA electrictelegrap00highrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lockrich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1883
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lock).pdf]], 3rd Edition, 1890
* [[Index:Davis's manual of magnetism - including galvanism, magnetism, electro-magnetism, electro-dynamics, magneto-electricity, and thermo-electricity (IA davissmanualofma00davi).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical sketch of the electric telegraph including its rise and progress in the United States (IA historicalsketch00jonerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity and galvanism; with cases, shewing their effects in the cure of diseases (IA b22042684).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity - in six sections ... (IA introductiontoel1770ferg).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... - illustrated with copper plates (IA b30501350).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... (IA introductiontoel00ferg).pdf]], 3rd Edition]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dynamoelectricit00pres/ Dynamo-electricity]
* [https://archive.org/details/radioactivit00ruth/ Radio-activity]
* [https://archive.org/details/electronnuclearp0000jbar/ Electrons and Nuclear Physics]
* [https://archive.org/details/ionselectronsion00crowuoft/ Ions, Electrons, and Ionizing Radiations]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29927997/ Atoms and Rays]
* [[Index:Atomic theories (IA atomictheories00loririch).pdf]]
* [[Index:X-ray manual - U.S. Army (IA xraymanualusarmy00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl01amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl02amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl03amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl04amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:The study of the atom - or, The foundation of chemistry (IA studyofatomorfou00venarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The method of fluxions and infinite series.djvu]]
* [[Index:Practical observations on the generation of statical electricity by the electrical machine (IA 101208559.nlm.nih.gov).pdf]]
* [[Index:American Journal of Mathematics Vol. 2 (1879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of radio communication (IA principlesofradi00morerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electrical machine design; the design and specification of direct and alternating current machinery .. (IA electricalmachin00grayrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Incandescent wiring hand-book, (IA incandescentwiri00badt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bell System Technical Journal, Volume 1, 1922.pdf]]
* [[Index:Science Advances, Volume 8, Issue 44, Recursive sequence generation in crows (sciadv.abq3356).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Investigation of the Laws of Thought (1854, Boole, investigationofl00boolrich).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anatomy of the Human Body (1918).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b30322704/ An Institution Trigonometricall, 1635]
* [https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-rbsc_elements-geometrie-evclide-megara_folioQA31E867131570-21289/ Euclid's Geometrie, 1570]
* [[Index:Mr. Wingate's Arithmetick Containing a Plain and Familiar Method, for Attaining the Knowledge and Practice of Common Arithmetick (7th Edition, Edmund Wingate, 1678, b30342211).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mathematical Recreations or, a Collection of many Problems Extracted out of the Ancient and Modern Philosophers (Jean Leurechon, 1674, b30325882).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lux Mercatoria - Bridges - 1661.djvu]]
* [[Index:First book of mathematics, being an easy and practical introduction to the study; for self-instruction and use in schools (IA firstbookofmathe00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian Basketry.djvu]]
* [[Index:Machinery's Handbook, (6th Edition, 1924, machineryshandbo00indu).pdf]]
* [[Index:De re metallica (1912).djvu]]

=====Nature, Zoology, Entomology, Myrmecology, and other Insects and Animals=====
* [[Index:Chapters on ants (IA chaptersonants00trearich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Observations on the biology of the imported fire ant (IA observationsonbi49inse).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/collectedpaperso00whee/ Collected Papers on Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/biologicalembryo00tanq_0/ Biological and embryological studies on Formicidae]
* [[Index:Comparative studies in the psychology of ants and of higher animals (IA comparativestudi00wasmiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/learningorientat00schn/ Learning and Orientation in Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.460830/ Ants, by Julian Huxley...need better scan]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonsofdust0000will/ Demons of the Dust: A Study in Insect Behavior]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallifeamongi00whee/ Social Life Among the Insects]
* [[Index:Life in an ant hill, (IA lifeinanthill00writ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Insect architecture (IA b22026885).pdf]], 1830, 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/antpeople0000ewer/ The Ant People]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_P9-CSD-957/ Busy: The Life of Ant], novel
* [[Index:Ants and the children of the garden, relating the habits of the black harvester ant, and giving considerable information about ants in general (IA antsthechildreno00simkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Field book of insects (IA fieldbookofins00lutz).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Field book of insects, with special reference to those of northeastern United States, aiming to answer common questions (IA fieldbookofinsec00lutz).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ants and their ways, with illustrations, and an appendix giving a complete list of genera and species of the British ants (IA antstheirwayswit00whit).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/naturescraftsmen00mcco/ Nature's Craftsmen]
* [[Index:Ant communities and how they are governed; a study in natural civics (IA antcommunitiesho00mcco).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ants, Wheeler (1910).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ants and some other insects; an inquiry into the psychic powers of these animals (IA antssomeotherins00fore).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA treatiseofbuggss00sout).pdf]], A treatise of buggs
* [[Index:Insect transformations (IA b22027191).pdf]]
* [[Index:Institutions of entomology- being a translation of Linnaeus's Ordines et genera insectorum; or, Systematic arrangement of insects (IA CUbiodiversity1115923).pdf]]
* [[Index:The elements of insect anatomy; an outline for the use of students in the entomological laboratories of Cornell University and Leland Stanford Junior University (IA elementsofinsect00comsto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The entomologist's text book - an introduction to the natural history, structure, physiology and classification of insects, including the Crustacea and Arachnida (IA entomologiststex00westw).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of ants (IA b29289981).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of insects (IA b28755741).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Account of English Ants (Gould, 1747, IA accountofenglish00goul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia (IA journalofacademy01acaduoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aristotle - History of Animals, 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:The play of animals (IA playofanimals00groouoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Animals at work and play - their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornuoft).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Animals at work and play, their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/animalsatworkpla00corn/ Animals at Work and Play, 3rd Edition]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb01aalba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb02alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb03alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb04alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb05alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb06alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb07alba).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology01baltuoft/ Psychobiology V1]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology02baltuoft/ Psychobiology V2]
* [[Index:Ants, bees, and wasps. A record of observations on the habits of the social Hymenoptera (IA antsbeeswaspsrec00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The bee and white ants, their manners and habits - with illustrations of animal instinct and intelligence - from &quot;The museum of science and art&quot; ... (IA beewhiteantsthei00lardrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofwhiteant00maet/ The Life of the White Ant], plagiarized from [[The Soul of the White Ant]] by [[Author:Eugène Nielen Marais|Eugène Nielen Marais]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofant0000maet/ The Life of the Ant]
* [[Index:Mind in animals (IA mindinanimals00bchniala).pdf]]
* [[Index:British ants, their life-history and classification (IA britishantstheir00donirich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1915
* [https://archive.org/details/britishants0000jkdo/ British Ants, 2nd Edition, 1927]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002009241/ The Guests of British Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/hymenopteraacule00saun/ The Hymenoptera Aculeata of the British Islands]
* [[Index:Elementary lessons in zoölogy - a guide in studying animal life and structure in field and laboratory (IA elementarylesso00need).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some common mushrooms and how to know them (IA somecommonmushr143char).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fungihowtoknowth00swan/ Fungi and How to Know Them]
* [https://archive.org/details/britishsocialwas00ormeuoft/ British Social Wasps]

====Fantasy, Fiction, Poetry, Tolkien, Etc.====
* [[Index:Tales of terror, (IA talesofterror00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:The tale of terror - a study of the Gothic romance (IA taleofterrorstud00birk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/greatshortstorie0000unse_o6s0/ Great Short Stories of Detection, Mystery, and Horror]
* [[Index:The story of Sigurd the Volsung and the fall of the Niblungs (IA storyofsigurdvol00morriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Translation of the Anglo-Saxon Poem of Beowulf (Kemble 1837).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Worm Ouroboros - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tolkien - A middle English Vocabulary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Fourteenth_Century_Verse_and_Prose_-_Sisam_-_1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Review of English Studies Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mabinogion; (IA mabinogion00schrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The gods of Pegana (IA godsofpegana00duns).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 1) - (IA cu31924026852917).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 2) - (IA cu31924030974038).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early English romances in verse- (IA earlyenglishroma00rickrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Middle English reader - edited, with grammatical introduction notes, and glossary (IA middleenglishrea00emerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox; (IA mostdelectablehi00jacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox, and of his son Reynardine - a revised version of an old romance (IA mostdelectablehi00londiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reynard the Fox, a poem in twelve cantos (IA reynardfoxpoemin00hollrich).pdf]]

====Games, Tabletop, Wargame, Military, RPG, Videogame, etc.====
* [[Index:Ship and gun drills, United States navy, 1905 (IA shipgundrillsuni00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare - some general principles, with other essays (IA navaladministrat00maha).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare (IA navaladministrat01maha).pdf]], 1918 reprint
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/yashkamylifeaspe00bochuoft/ Yashka, my life as peasant, exile and soldier]
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgzofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Military and naval America (IA militaryandnaval00kerriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee navy (IA yankeenavy00mass).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee mining squadron; or, Laying the North sea mine barrage (IA yankeeminingsqua00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:779th Radar Squadron (ADC) Opheim AFS Montana New Personnel Brochure 1973.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancientmodernshi00holmuoft/ Ancient and Modern Ships: Part I]
* [https://archive.org/details/sailingshipsstor00chatuoft/ Sailing ships : the story of their development from earliest times to the present day]
* [[Index:The British navy (IA cu31924030756146).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ships of the Royal Navy (IA shipsofroyalnavy00park).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British Navy from within (IA britishnavyfromw00exrorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British navy in battle (IA britishnavyinbat00poll).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/popularhistoryof00kinguoft/ A Popular history of the British Navy from the earliest times to the present]
* [[Index:The Royal Navy (IA cu31924028018574).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army in war (IA germanarmyinwar00atterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook on German army identification (IA handbookongerman02unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The war book of the German general staff; being &quot;the usages of war on land&quot; issued by the great general staff of the German army; (IA warbookofgermang00newyiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army. Department of military art, the Army service schools (IA germanarmydepart00bjorrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on field fortifications (IA notesonfieldfort00armyrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military organization of the United States (IA militaryorganiza00comm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Army and Navy Uniforms and Insignia (Williams, 1918, armynavyuniforms00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book; a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA militarynavalrec00bunkrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book, a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA recognitionmilitary00bunkrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Orders, decorations and insignia, military and civil; with the history and romance of their origin and a full description of each (IA ordersdecoration00wyllrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military Organization and Administration (Collins, 1918, militaryorganiza00colluoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Organization; how armies are formed for war (IA organizationhowa00fostiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Company administration - preparation, disposition, and filing of company records, reports, and returns (IA c00ompanyadministrunitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Dungeons &amp; Dragons System Reference Document.pdf]]
* [[Index:John Banks Wilson - Maneuver and Firepower (1998).djvu]]
* [[Index:FM-34-45-Tactics-Techniques-and-Procedures-for-Electronic-Attack.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fm100-2-3 - The Soviet Army, Troops, Organization, and Equipment.pdf]]
* [[Index:United States Army Field Manual 3-13 Information Operations.djvu]]

====Asia====
* [https://archive.org/details/lettersfromfarea00eliouoft/ Letters from the Far East]
* [[Index:Eastern Asia, a history, being the second edition of A brief history of eastern Asia, entirely rewritten (IA easternasiahisto00hannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofchinabe0000unse/ A History of China]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienthistoryof00hirtuoft/ The ancient history of China to the end of the Chóu dynasty]
* [[Index:A little history of China, and a Chinese story (IA littlehistoryofc00brebiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of China; (IA historyofchina00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:The three religions of China; lectures delivered at Oxford (IA cu31924023204062).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tibet, Tartary, and Mongolia ; their social and political condition, and the religion of Boodh, as there existing (IA tibettartarymong00prin).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of tea - a Japanese harmony of art culture and the simple life (IA bookofteajapanes00okakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, ancient and modern - with description of manners and customs, language and geography (IA cu31924023564549).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, Ancient and Modern; with Description of Manners and Customs, Language and Geography WDL2374.pdf]], Cheaper Edition, 1891.
* [https://archive.org/details/anglicanchurchin00corf/ The Anglican Church in Corea]
* [[Index:Corea, the hermit nation. I. Ancient and mediaeval history. II. Political and social Corea. III. Modern and recent history (IA coreahermitnatio00grif).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/coreawithoutwith00grif_0/ Corea, Without and Within]
* [[Index:Who is God in China.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924023233947/ The early institutional life of Japan]
* [[Index:The development of religion in Japan (IA developmentofrel00knoxrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The religions of Japan - from the dawn of history to the era of Méiji - by William Elliott Griffis (IA religionsofjapan00grifrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/japanaccountgeog00macfuoft/ Japan]
* [https://archive.org/details/ost-art-japaneseart00hartuoft/ Japanese Art]
* [[Index:Old and new Japan (IA oldnewjapan00hollrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan as it was and is. (IA japanasitwasis00hild 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire- its physical, political, and social condition and history; with details of the late American and British expeditions (IA japaneseempireit01kemi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire and its economic conditions (IA japaneseempireit00daut).pdf]]
* [[Index:The present state of the medical administration of the Japanese empire (IA presentstateofme00japaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan - its architecture, art, and art manufactures (IA japanitsarchitec00dres 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:China, Japan and Korea (IA chinajapankorea00blan).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korea (IA korea00coul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Quaint Korea (IA quaintkorea00milnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korean folk tales- imps, ghosts and fairies (IA koreanfolktalesi00impaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 2 (IA historyofjapangi02kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 1 (IA historyofjapangi01kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:A dissertation on the theology of the Chinese, - with a view to the elucidation of the most appropriate term for expressing the Diety in the Chinese language. (IA dissertationonth00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Abstract of four lectures on Buddhist literature in China - delivered at University college, London (IA cu31924023158607).pdf]]
* [[Index:Index:The Chinese Classics - Legge - 2nd ed - 1893 - Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Synoptical studies in the Chinese character (1874).djvu]]
* [[Index:Elementary Chinese - San Tzu Ching (1900).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Anglo-Chinese vocabulary of the Ningpo dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Easy sentences in the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Chinese-English Dictionary Hakka-dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:Nestorian Monument - Carus.djvu]]
* [[Index:An alphabetical index to the Chinese encyclopaedia.pdf]]
* [[Index:Sun Tzu on The art of war.djvu]]
* [[Index:A Chinese Biographical Dictionary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pekinese Rhymes (G. Vitale, 1896).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Life in the Tibetan Foothills.djvu]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA dictionaryofhokk00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Excellent ancient adages, together with notes on the writings of Chinese romanized in the Hokkien dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Essays on the Chinese Language (1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA sh00orthistoryofchboulrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA shorthistoryofch00boulrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:A history of China from the earliest days down to the present (IA cu31924091024392).pdf]]
* [[Index:The unveiled East (IA unveiledeast00mcke).pdf]]
* [[Index:Letters from the Far East (IA lettersfromfarea00evan).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East (IA chinafareast00blak).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East, 1889-99 - contribution toward a bibliography (IA cu31924023967734).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/gpl_1856272/ The Morals of Confucius, 1691]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA chinesenovelstra00davirich).pdf|Chinese novels, translated from the originals]]
* [[Index:Notes on Chinese literature (IA notesonchineseli00wyli).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chunsilinghistor00londiala/ Chun and Si-Ling]
* [[Index:The Far East (IA fareast00litt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Provinces of China, together with a history of the first year of H.I.M. Hsuan Tung, and an account of the government of China .. (IA provincesofchina00bruciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Ceremonial Usages of the Chinese, B. C. 1121- Being an Abridgement of the Chow Le Classic (IA ceremonialusage00hugoog).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/civilizationofch00gileiala/ The Civilization of China]
* [[Index:A general view of Chinese civilization and of the relations of the West with China (IA generalviewofchi00laffrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sidelights on Chinese Life (sidelightsonchin00macg, 1907, MacGowan).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Chinese literature - Giles.djvu]]
* [[Index:Notable women of modern China (IA notablewomenofmo00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of women in Japan (IA educationofwomen00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of girls in China (IA educationofgirls00lewi).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinesetheireduc00martiala/ The Chinese: their education, philosophy, and letters]
* [[Index:The lore of Cathay - or, The intellect of China (IA loreofcathayorin00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:China's only hope - an appeal (IA chinasonlyhopeap00zhan).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Empire. A General &amp; Missionary Survey.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/educationofwomen00burtuoft/ The Education of Women in China]
* [[Index:Modern education in China (IA moderneducationi00tang).pdf]]
* [[Index:The educational system of China as recently reconstructed (IA educationalsyste00king).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese system of public education (IA chinesesystemop00kuop).pdf]]
* [[Index:Chinese education from the western viewpoint (IA chineseeducation00yens).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sihialanguage27lauf/ The Si-hia Language]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinahistoryofla01grayuoft/ China: a History of the Laws, Manners and Customs of the People, Volume 1]
* [[Index:China - a history of the laws, manners and customs of the people (IA chinahistoryofla02grayuoft).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:On &amp; off duty in Annam (IA onoffdutyinannam00vassiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storieslegendsof00chiv/ Stories and Legends of Annam]
* [[Index:Vietnamese Song Book (U.S. Army Language School, 1961).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indo-China and its primitive people (IA indochinaitsprim00baud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The persecutions of Annam; a history of Christianity in Cochin China and Tonking (IA persecutionsofan00shoriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The French in Tonkin and South China (IA frenchintonkinso00cunn).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tonkin, or, France in the Far East (IA cu31924023040581).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tungking (IA cu31924088799386).pdf]]
* [[Index:France and Tongking; a narrative of the campaign of 1884 and the occupation of Further India (IA francetongkingna01scot 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warintongkingwh00staugoog/ The War in Tong-king]
* [[Index:The political ideas of modern Japan (IA politicalideasof00kawarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies in Vietnamese (Annamese) grammar (Emeneau).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Corean government- constitutional changes, July 1894 to October 1895. With an appendix on subsequent enactments to 30th June 1896 (IA cu31924023425063).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of that great and renowned monarchy of China. Wherein all the particular provinces are accurately described- as also the dispositions, manners, learning, lawes, militia (IA historyofthatgre00seme).pdf]]
* [[Index:Code of Gentoo Laws (1776, codeofgentoolaws00halh, Halhed).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ancient China, The Shoo King or the Historical Classic (Ancientchinashoo00confuoft, Medhurst, 1846).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Moral Maxims - Davis - 1823.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 1864-65.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Repository - Volume 01.djvu]]
* [[Index:An Ainu-English-Japanese dictionary (including a grammar of the Ainu language).djvu]]
* [[Index:How Many Independent Rice Vocabularies in Asia?.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Grammar of the Chinese Language (grammarofchinese00morr 1, Morrison, 1815).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee; Being, The Fundamental Laws, and a Selections from the Supplementary Statutes, of the Penal Code of China.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese miscellany; consisting of original extracts from Chinese authors, in the native character; with translations and philological remarks (IA b22009450).pdf]]
* [[Index:Translations from the Original Chinese, with Notes (translationsfrom00morruoft, 1815).djvu]]

====Manuscripts====
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero A x (art. 3).pdf]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero D IV.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A II.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A VII.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Vitellius A XV.djvu]]

==== North Carolina ====
* [https://archive.org/details/communityservice00nort_0/ Community Service Week in North Carolina]
* [[Index:Citizens' reference book - a text and reference book for pupils and teachers in community schools for adult beginners (IA citizensreferenc1922morr).pdf]]
* [[Index:Annual report of North Carolina Council of Defense (serial) (IA annualreportofno11918nort).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rules and regulations of Mecklenburg County Home Guard (IA rulesregulations00north).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of Defense - plan of organization (IA northcarolinacounort).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of defense historical committee (IA northcarolinacou00no).pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina, a study in English colonial government (IA northcarolinas00rape).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina (IA cu31924028788664).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina .. (IA reconstructionin00hami).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Official history of the 120th Infantry &quot;3rd North Carolina&quot; 30th Division, from August 5, 1917, to April 17, 1919 - canal sector, Ypres-Lys offensive, Somme offensive (IA officialhistoryowalk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/accountofprovinc00wils/ An Account of the Province of Carolina in America]
* [https://archive.org/details/fundamentalconst00caro/ The Fundamental Constitutions of Carolina]
* [[Index:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (IA govwilliamtryon00hayw).pdf]], Governor William Tryon, and his administration in the province of North Carolina
* [[Index:The Moravians in North Carolina - an authentic history (IA moraviansinnorth00reic).pdf]]
* [[Indes:History of Wachovia in North Carolina; the Unitas fratrum or Moravian church in North Carolina during a century and a half, 1752-1902 (IA historyofwachovi00clew).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers00batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers02batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Laws of the University of North-Carolina (1800, lawsofuniversityuniv1799).djvu]]
* [[Index:Report of the Tax Commission to Governor Angus Wilton McLean, 1927.pdf]]
* [[Index:Regulations for the North Carolina National Guard, 1907.pdf]]
* [[Index:Reminiscences of Randolph County - Blair - 1890.djvu]]
* [[Index:West Chowan Baptist Messenger, Volume 1 - Issue 4.pdf]]
* [[Index:Revised Statutes of the State of North Carolina - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Session Laws of North Carolina, April, 1777.pdf]]
* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Asheboro Courier, Volume IX, No. 26.pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Historical Review - Volume 1, Number 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:1751 A collection of all the public acts of Assembly, of the province of North-Carolina now in force and use.pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina Manual (1874).pdf]]
* [[Index:NC-Register-Volume-01-Issue-01.pdf]]

== Series/Periodicals/Journals ==
* [[Science (journal)]]
* [[The China Review]]
* [[Amazing Stories]]
* [[The Chinese Repository]]
* [[Federal Register]]
* [[Weird Tales]]
* [[The Journal of Religion]]
* [[Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society]]
* [[Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology]]
* [[Journal of Germanic Philology]]
* [[Journal of English and Germanic Philology]]
* [[Southern Historical Society Papers]]
* [[Archaeologia]]
* [[Portal:The Review of English Studies|The Review of English Studies]]
* [[Archaeological Journal]]
* [[National Geographic Magazine]]
* [[Classical World]]
* [[The International Socialist Review (1900-1918)]]
* [[Loeb Classical Library]]
* [[West Chowan Baptist Messenger]], in case more issues show up.
* [[The Courier]]
* [[North Carolina Historical Review]]

== Copyright books, bibliographies, etc. ==
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* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]

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[In this department of the ''Quarterly'' there will appear material of the nature of primary sources for the history of the Pacific Northwest. The more extended documents, however, and collections having a unity will be reserved for the series, &quot;Sources of the History of Oregon.&quot;]

''Correspondence of John McLoughlin, Nathaniel J. Wyeth, S. R. Thurston, and R. C. Winthrop, pertaining to claim of Doctor McLoughlin at the Falls of the Willamette-the site of Oregon City.''

The following correspondence was published in the Milwaukie Star, April 10, 1850. The files of this paper are exceedingly scarce. The original copies of the letters were probably destroyed. A knowledge of their contents is essential to an understanding of very important, though not creditable, transactions in Oregon's history. These letters also are an addition to the Wyeth material that the society has been making accessible to students of American {{SIC|hisory|history}}.

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''Capt. Nath. J. Wyeth:''

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&quot;Hello; somebody comin' our way,&quot; he was saying. &quot;And d'ye hear that? He's comin' fast. Walking right along. Guess he don't hear us yet. Wind's in wrong direction.&quot; 

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32. On the island of Crete, near Greece, there developed, under Egyptian influence, a remarkable civilization. Hieroglyphic writing on clay, of perhaps about 1500 {{smaller|B.C.}}, discloses number symbols as follows: 𐅀 or &lt;nowiki&gt;|&lt;/nowiki&gt; for 1, 𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀 or {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;|||||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} or {{dual|{{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;|||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}|{{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;&amp;nbsp;||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}|style=line-height:1.25;vertical-align:middle;}} for 5, [[File:Interpunct (typography).svg|frameless|upright=0.05|link=|class=skin-invert-image]] for 10, {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;\&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} or {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;/&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} for 100, ◇ for 1,000, [[File:Symbol for one quarter, Crete.svg|10px]] for ¼ (probably), {{monospace|\\\\::::𐅀𐅀𐅀}} for 483.&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''Scripta Minoa'', Vol. I (1909), p. 258, 256.&lt;/ref&gt; In this combination of symbols only the additive principle is employed. Somewhat later,&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''The Palace of Minos'' (London, 1921), Vol. I, p. 646; see also p. 279.&lt;/ref&gt; 10 is represented also by a horizontal dash; the
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31. As indicated above, the Hebrews wrote from right to left. Hence, in writing numbers, the numeral of highest value appeared on the right; &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|ה}}{{he|א}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 5,001, &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|א}}{{he|ה}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 1,005. But 1,005 could be written also {{he|אה}}, where the two dots were omitted, for when {{he|א}} meant unity, it was always placed to the left of another numeral. Hence when appearing on the right it was interpreted as meaning 1,000. With a similar understanding for other signs, one observes here the beginning of an imperfect application in Hebrew notation of the principle of local value. By about the eighth century {{smaller|A.D.}}, one finds that the signs {{he|הףמה}} signify 5,845, the number of verses in the laws as given in the Masora. Here the sign on the extreme right means 5,000; the next to the left is an 8 and must stand for a value less than 5,000, yet greater than the third sign representing 40. Hence the sign for 8 is taken here as 800.&lt;ref&gt;G. H. F. Nesselmann, ''Die Algebra der Griechen'' (Berlin, 1842), p. 72, 494; M. Cantor, ''Vorlesungen über Geschichte der Mathematik'', Vol. I (3d ed.), p. 126, 127.&lt;/ref&gt;

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32. On the island of Crete, near Greece, there developed, under Egyptian influence, a remarkable civilization. Hieroglyphic writing on clay, of perhaps about 1500 {{smaller|B.C.}}, discloses number symbols as follows: 𐅀 or &lt;nowiki&gt;|&lt;/nowiki&gt; for 1, 𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀 or {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;|||||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} or {{dual|{{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;|||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}|{{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;&amp;nbsp;||&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}|style=line-height:1.25;vertical-align:middle;}} for 5, [[File:Interpunct (typography).svg|frameless|upright=0.05|link=|class=skin-invert-image]] for 10, {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;\&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} or {{monospace|&lt;nowiki&gt;/&lt;/nowiki&gt;}} for 100, ◇ for 1,000, [[File:Symbol for one quarter, Crete.svg|15px]] for ¼ (probably), {{monospace|\\\\::::𐅀𐅀𐅀}} for 483.&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''Scripta Minoa'', Vol. I (1909), p. 258, 256.&lt;/ref&gt; In this combination of symbols only the additive principle is employed. Somewhat later,&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''The Palace of Minos'' (London, 1921), Vol. I, p. 646; see also p. 279.&lt;/ref&gt; 10 is represented also by a horizontal dash; the
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18. We reproduce in Figures 5 and 6 two tables prepared by Kurt
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33. The oldest strictly Greek numeral symbols were the so-called ''Herodianic signs'', named after Herodianus, a Byzantine grammarian of about 200 {{smaller|A.D.}}, who describes them. These signs occur frequently in Athenian inscriptions and are, on that account, now generally called Attic. They were the initial letters of numeral adjectives.&lt;ref&gt;See, for instance, G. Friedlein, ''Die Zahlzeichen und das elementare Rechnen der Griechen und Römer'' (Erlangen, 1869), p. 8; M. Cantor, ''Vorlesungen über Geschichte der Mathematik'', Vol. I (3d ed.), p. 120; H. Hankel, ''Zur Geschichte der Mathematik im Alterthum und Mittelalter'' (Leipzig, 1874), p. 37.&lt;/ref&gt; They were used as early as the time of Solon, about 600 {{smaller|B.C.}}, and continued in use for several centuries, traces of them being found as late as the time of Cicero. From about 470 to 350 {{smaller|B.C.}} this system existed in competition with a newer one to be described presently. The Herodianic signs were

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34. Combinations of the symbols for 5 with the symbols for 10, 100, 1,000 yielded symbols for 50, 500, 5,000. These signs appear on an abacus found in 1847, represented upon a Greek marble monument on the island of Salamis.&lt;ref&gt;Kubitschek, “Die Salaminische Rechentafel,” ''Numismatische Zeitschrift'' (Vienna, 1900), Vol. XXXI, p. 393–98; A. Nagl, ''ibid.'', Vol. XXXV (1903), p. 131–43; M. Cantor, ''Kulturleben der Völker'' (Halle, 1863), p. 132, 136; M. Cantor, ''Vorlesungen über Geschichte der Mathematik'', Vol. I (3d ed), p. 133.&lt;/ref&gt; This computing table is represented in Figure 12.

The four right-hand signs {{greek|Ι Ϲ Τ Χ}}, appearing on the horizontal line below, stand for the fractions {{Sfrac|4}}, {{Sfrac|12}}, {{Sfrac|24}}, {{Sfrac|48}}, respectively. Proceeding next from right to left, we have the symbols for 1, 5, 10, 50, 100, 500, 1,000, 5,000, and finally the sign {{greek|Τ}} for 6,000. The group of symbols drawn on the left margin, and that drawn above, do not contain the two symbols for 5,000 and 6,000. The pebbles in the columns represent the number 9,823. The four columns represented by the five vertical lines on the right were used for the representation of the fractional values {{Sfrac|4}}, {{Sfrac|12}}, {{Sfrac|24}}, {{Sfrac|48}}, respectively.

35. Figure 13 shows the old Herodianic numerals in an Athenian state record of the fifth century {{smaller|B.C.}} The last two lines are: {{greek|Κεφάλαιον}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Observe that the old hieratic symbol for ¼ was the cross {{Hiero-text|𓏴}}, signifying perhaps a part obtainable from two sections of a body through the center.

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19. In writing numbers, the Egyptians used the principles of addition and multiplication. In applying the additive principle, not more than four symbols of the same kind were placed in any one group. Thus, 4 was written in hieroglyphs {{Hiero-text|𓏽}}; 5 was not written {{Hiero-text|𓏺}}𓏺𓏺𓏺𓏺, but either {{Hiero-text|𓏼 𓏻}} or {{Hiero-text|𓏾}}. There is here recognized the same need which caused the Romans to write, V after IIII, L=50 after XXXX=40, D=500 after CCCC=400. In case of two unequal groups, the Egyptians always wrote the larger group before, or above the smaller group; thus, seven was written {{Hiero-text|𓐀}}.
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21. The multiplicative principle is not so old as the additive; it came into use about 1600–2000 {{sc|b.c}}. In the oldest example hitherto known,&lt;ref&gt;''Ibid.'', p. 8.&lt;/ref&gt; the symbols for 120, placed before a lotus plant, signify 120,000. A smaller number written before or below or above a symbol representing a larger unit designated multiplication of the larger by the smaller. Müller cites a case where 2,800,000 is represented by one burbot, with characters placed beneath it which stand for 28.

22. In hieroglyphic writing, unit fractions were indicated by placing the symbol {{Hiero-text|𓂋}} over the number representing the denominator. Exceptions to this are the modes of writing the fractions ½, and ⅔; the old hieroglyph for ½ was {{Hiero-text|𓐞}}, the later was {{Hiero-text|𓐛}}; of the slightly varying hieroglyphic forms for ⅔, [[File:Old hieroglyphic for two thirds.jpg|frameless|upright=0.1|class=skin-invert-image]] was quite common.&lt;ref&gt;''Ibid.'', p. 92–97, gives detailed information on the forms representing ⅔. The Egyptian procedure for decomposing a quotient into unit fractions is explained by V. V. Bobynin in ''Abh. Gesch. Math.'', Vol. IX (1899), p 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

23. We reproduce an algebraic example in hieratic symbols, as it occurs in the most important mathematical document of antiquity known at the present time—the ''Rhind papyrus''. The scribe, Ahmes, who copied this papyrus from an older document, used black and red ink, the red in the titles of the individual problems and in writing auxiliary numbers appearing in the computations. The example which, in the Eisenlohr edition of this papyrus, is numbered 34, is hereby shown.&lt;ref&gt;''Ein mathematisches Handbuch der alten Ägypter (Papyrus Rhind des British Museum) übersetzt und erklärt'' (Leipzig, 1877; 2d ed., 1891). The explanation of Problem 34 is given on p. 55, the translation on p. 213, the facsimile reproduction on Plate XIII of the first edition. The second edition was brought out without the plates. A more recent edition of the Ahmes papyrus is due to T. Eric Peet and appears under the title ''The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus'', British Museum, Nos. 10057 and 10058, Introduction, Transcription, and Commentary (London, 1923).&lt;/ref&gt; Hieratic writing was from right to left. To facilitate the study of the problem, we write our translation from right to left and in the same relative positions of its parts as in the papyrus, except that numbers are written in the order familiar to us; i.e., 37 is written in our translation 37, and not 73 as in the papyrus. Ahmes writes unit fractions by placing a dot over the denominator, except in case of&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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42. A table for reducing certain ordinary fractions to the sum of unit fractions is found in a Greek papyrus from Egypt, described by&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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42. A table for reducing certain ordinary fractions to the sum of unit fractions is found in a Greek papyrus from Egypt, described by&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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43. About the second century before Christ the Babylonian sexagesimal numbers were in use in Greek astronomy; the letter omicron, which closely resembles in form our modern zero, was used to designate a vacant space in the writing of numbers. The Byzantines wrote it usually {{greek|ο&amp;#772;}}, the bar indicating a numeral significance as it has when placed over the ordinary Greek letters used as numerals.&lt;ref&gt;C. Ptolemy, ''Almagest'' (ed. N. Halma; Paris, 1813), Book I, chap. ix, p. 38 and later; J. L. Heiberg, in his edition of the ''Almagest (Syntaxis mathematica)'' (Leipzig, 1898; 2d ed., Leipzig, 1903), Book I, does not write the bar over the {{greek|ο}} but places it over all the significant Greek numerals. This procedure has the advantage of distinguishing between the {{greek|ο}} which stands for 70 and the {{greek|ο}} which stands for zero. See ''Encyc. des scien. math.'', Tome I, Vol. I (1904), p. 17, n. 89.&lt;/ref&gt;

44. The division of the circle into 360 equal parts is found in Hypsicles.&lt;ref&gt;{{greek|Αναφορικός}} (ed. K. Manitius), p. xxvi.&lt;/ref&gt; Hipparchus employed sexagesimal fractions regularly, as did also C. Ptolemy&lt;ref&gt;''Syntaxis mathematica'' (ed. Heiberg), Vol. I, Part I, p. 513.&lt;/ref&gt; who, in his ''Almagest'', took the approximate value of {{greek|π}} to be 3+{{sfrac|8|60|font-size=100%}}+{{sfrac|30|60×60|font-size=100%}}. In the Heiberg edition this value is written {{greek|γ&amp;#772; η&amp;#772; λ&amp;#772;}}, purely a ''notation of position''. In the tables, as printed by Heiberg, the dash over the letters expressing numbers is omitted. In the edition of N. Halma&lt;ref&gt;''Composition math. de Ptolémée'' (Paris, 1813), Vol. I, p. 421; see also ''Encyc. des scien. math.'', Tome I, Vol. I (1904), p. 53, n. 181.&lt;/ref&gt; is given the notation {{greek|γ&amp;#772; ηʹ λʹʹ}}, which is&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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==Literature by form==

===American poetry===
[[File:Ocaptain.jpg|thumb|O Captain! My Captain!]]
: ''For a more extensive listing see [[:Category:American poetry]]''.

* &quot;[[Poems (Bryant, 1821)/Thanatopsis|Thanatopsis]]&quot;, by [[Author:William Cullen Bryant|William Cullen Bryant]] (1811)
* &quot;[[Defence of Fort McHenry (broadside)|Defence of Fort McHenry]]&quot; (&quot;Star-Spangled Banner&quot;), by [[Author:Francis Scott Key|Francis Scott Key]] (1814)
* &quot;[[Poems (Bryant, 1821)/To a Waterfowl|To a Waterfowl]]&quot;, by [[Author:William Cullen Bryant|William Cullen Bryant]] (1818)
* &quot;[[The Raven (Poe)|The Raven]]&quot;, by [[Author:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]] (1845)
* &quot;[[The Complete Poetical Works of Oliver Wendell Holmes/The Ploughman|The Ploughman]]&quot;, by [[Author:Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809-1894)|Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.]] (1849)
* ''[[The Song of Hiawatha]]'', by [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]] (1855)
* &quot;[[Bury Me in a Free Land]]&quot;, by [[Author:Frances Ellen Watkins Harper|Frances Ellen Watkins Harper]] (1858)
* &quot;[[The Atlantic Monthly/Volume 7/Number 39/Paul Revere's Ride|Paul Revere's Ride]]&quot;, by [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]] (1861)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[O Captain! My Captain!]]&quot;, by [[Author:Walt Whitman|Walt Whitman]] (1865)
* &quot;[[Snow-Bound: A Winter Idyl]]&quot;, by [[Author:John Greenleaf Whittier|John Greenleaf Whittier]] (1866)
* ''[[Leaves of Grass (1882)|Leaves of Grass]]'', by [[Author:Walt Whitman|Walt Whitman]] (1882)
* &quot;[[Because I could not stop for Death—]]&quot;, by [[Author:Emily Dickinson|Emily Dickinson]] (1890)
* &quot;[[Lyrics of Lowly Life/We wear the Mask|We Wear the Mask]]&quot;, by [[Author:Paul Laurence Dunbar|Paul Laurence Dunbar]] (1896)
* &quot;[[Lyrics of Lowly Life/When de Co'n Pone's Hot|When de Co'n Pone's Hot]]&quot;, by [[Author:Paul Laurence Dunbar|Paul Laurence Dunbar]] (1896)
* &quot;[[The House of Falling Leaves/The House of Falling Leaves|The House of Falling Leaves]]&quot;, by [[Author:William Stanley Beaumont Braithwaite|William Stanley Braithwaite]] (1908)
* &quot;[[Chicago Poems/Fog|Fog]]&quot;, by [[Author:Carl Sandburg|Carl Sandburg]] (1916)
* &quot;[[Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening]]&quot;, by [[Author:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]] (1922)
* ''[[The Man Who Died Twice (1924)|The Man Who Died Twice]]'', by [[Author:Edwin Arlington Robinson|Edwin Arlington Robinson]] (1924)
* &quot;[[I, Too]]&quot;, by [[Author:Langston Hughes|Langston Hughes]] (1926)

===American novels===
[[File:The Great Gatsby Cover 1925 Retouched.jpg|thumb|The Great Gatsby]]
: ''For a more extensive listing see [[:Category:American novels]]''.

* ''[[The Last of the Mohicans]]'', by [[Author:James Fenimore Cooper|James Fenimore Cooper]] (1826)
* ''[[Two Years Before the Mast]]'', by [[Author:Richard Henry Dana (1815-1882)|Richard Henry Dana, Jr.]] (1840)
* ''[[Scarlet Letter (1850) 2ed|The Scarlet Letter]]'', by [[Author:Nathaniel Hawthorne|Nathaniel Hawthorne]] (1850)
* ''[[The House of the Seven Gables]]'', by [[Author:Nathaniel Hawthorne|Nathaniel Hawthorne]] (1851)
* ''[[Moby-Dick (Melville)|Moby-Dick]]'', by [[Author:Herman Melville|Herman Melville]] (1851)
* ''[[Uncle Tom's Cabin]]'', by [[Author:Harriet Beecher Stowe|Harriet Beecher Stowe]] (1851)
* ''[[Little Women]]'', by [[Author:Louisa May Alcott|Louisa May Alcott]] (1868)
* ''[[The Prince and the Pauper]]'', by [[Author:Samuel Langhorne Clemens|Mark Twain]] (1882)
* ''[[Adventures of Huckleberry Finn]]'', by [[Author:Samuel Langhorne Clemens|Mark Twain]] (1884)
* ''[[Billy Budd]]'', by [[Author:Herman Melville|Herman Melville]] (1891)
* ''[[Red Badge of Courage (1895)|The Red Badge of Courage]]'', by [[Author:Stephen Crane|Stephen Crane]] (1895)
* ''[[The Call of the Wild (London)|The Call of the Wild]]'', by [[Author:Jack London|Jack London]] (1903)
* ''[[The Jungle]]'', by [[Author:Upton Beall Sinclair|Upton Sinclair]] (1906)
* ''[[White Fang]]'', by [[Author:Jack London|Jack London]] (1906)
* ''[[Ethan Frome]]'', by [[Author:Edith Wharton|Edith Wharton]] (1911)
* ''[[Riders of the Purple Sage]]'', by [[Author:Zane Grey|Zane Grey]] (1912)
* ''[[Tarzan of the Apes]]'', by [[Author:Edgar Rice Burroughs|Edgar Rice Burroughs]] (1912)
* ''[[Pollyanna]]'', by [[Author:Eleanor Hodgman Porter|Eleanor H. Porter]] (1913)
* ''[[A Princess of Mars]]'', by [[Author:Edgar Rice Burroughs|Edgar Rice Burroughs]] (1917)
* ''[[My Ántonia]]'', by [[Author:Willa Sibert Cather|Willa Cather]] (1918)
* ''[[The Age of Innocence]]'', by [[Author:Edith Wharton|Edith Wharton]] (1920)
* ''[[Main Street]]'', by [[Author:Sinclair Lewis|Sinclair Lewis]] (1920)
* ''[[Manhattan Transfer]]'', by [[Author:John Roderigo Dos Passos|John Dos Passos]] (1925)
* ''[[The Great Gatsby]]'', by [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald|F. Scott Fitzgerald]] (1925)
* ''[[The Sun Also Rises]]'', by [[Author:Ernest Miller Hemingway|Ernest Hemingway]] (1926)
* ''[[The Bridge of San Luis Rey]]'', by [[Author:Thornton Niven Wilder|Thornton Wilder]] (1927)
* ''[[Death Comes for the Archbishop]]'', by [[Author:Willa Sibert Cather|Willa Cather]] (1927)

===American short stories===
[[File:Lost Face (1910) face p088.jpg|thumb|To build a Fire]]

* &quot;[[The Legend of Sleepy Hollow]]&quot;, by [[Author:Washington Irving|Washington Irving]] (1819)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Rip Van Winkle (Irving)|Rip Van Winkle]]&quot;, by [[Author:Washington Irving|Washington Irving]] (1819)
* &quot;[[The Fall of the House of Usher]]&quot;, by [[Author:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]] (1839)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe (1850)/Volume 1/The Pit and the Pendulum|The Pit and the Pendulum]]&quot;, by [[Author:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]] (1843)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Mystery Tales of Edgar Allan Poe/The Tell-Tale Heart|The Tell-Tale Heart]]&quot;, by [[Author:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]] (1843)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Rappaccini's Daughter]]&quot;, by [[Author:Nathaniel Hawthorne|Nathaniel Hawthorne]] (1844)
* &quot;[[Bartleby the Scrivener]]&quot;, by [[Author:Herman Melville|Herman Melville]] (1856)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Atlantic Monthly/Volume 12/Number 74/The Man without a Country|The Man without a Country]]&quot;, by [[Author:Edward Everett Hale|Edward Everett Hale]] (1863)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County]]&quot;, by [[Author:Samuel Langhorne Clemens|Mark Twain]] (1865)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Luck of Roaring Camp (1870)/The Idyl of Red Gulch|The Idyl of Red Gulch]]&quot;, by [[Author:Francis Bret Harte|Bret Harte]] (1870)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Luck of Roaring Camp (1870)/The Luck of Roaring Camp|The Luck of Roaring Camp]]&quot;, by [[Author:Francis Bret Harte|Bret Harte]] (1870)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Luck of Roaring Camp (1870)/The Outcasts of Poker Flat|The Outcasts of Poker Flat]]&quot;, by [[Author:Francis Bret Harte|Bret Harte]] (1870)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Yellow Wall Paper]]&quot;, by [[Author:Charlotte Perkins Gilman|Charlotte Perkins Gilman]] (1901)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Four Million/The Gift of the Magi|The Gift of the Magi]]&quot;, by [[Author:William Sydney Porter|O. Henry]] (1906)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[The Ransom of Red Chief]]&quot;, by [[Author:William Sydney Porter|O. Henry]] (1907)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Lost Face (London collection)/To build a Fire|To build a Fire]]&quot;, by [[Author:Jack London|Jack London]] (1910)
* &quot;[[Beyond Lies the Wub]]&quot;, by [[Author:Philip Kindred Dick|Philip K. Dick]] (1952)

===American journals and autobiographies===
[[File:Booker T. Washington by Francis Benjamin Johnston, c. 1895.jpg|thumb|Booker T. Washington, author of &quot;Up From Slavery&quot; and the &quot;Atlanta Compromise&quot;]]
* ''[[The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin]]'', by [[Author:Benjamin Franklin|Benjamin Franklin]] (1793)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] ''[[Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave]]'', by [[Author:Frederick Douglass|Frederick Douglass]] (1845)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] ''[[Up From Slavery]]'', by [[Author:Booker Taliaferro Washington|Booker T. Washington]] (1901)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] ''[[The Education of Henry Adams (1918)|The Education of Henry Adams]]'', by [[Author:Henry Brooks Adams|Henry Adams]] (1918)

===American essays===

* ''[[Common Sense (Thomas Paine)|Common Sense]]'', by [[Author:Thomas Paine|Thomas Paine]] (1776)
* ''[[Nature (1836)|Nature]]'', collection of essays by [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Ralph Waldo Emerson]] (1836)
* ''[[Walden (1854) Thoreau|Walden, or, Life in the Woods]]'', by [[Author:Henry David Thoreau|Henry David Thoreau]] (1854)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] ''[[The Souls of Black Folk (2nd ed)|The Souls of Black Folk]]'', collection of essays by [[Author:William Edward Burghardt Du Bois|W.E.B. Du Bois]] (1903)

===American orations===
: ''See also '''[[Portal:Speeches by United States Presidents]]''' and [[:Category:American speeches]]''.

* &quot;[[Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God]]&quot;, by [[Author:Jonathan Edwards|Jonathan Edwards]] (1741)
* &quot;[[Aesthetic Papers/Resistance to Civil Government|Resistance to Civil Government]]&quot;, by [[Author:Henry David Thoreau|Henry David Thoreau]] (1849)
* &quot;[[Ain't I a Woman?]]&quot;, by [[Author:Sojourner Truth|Sojourner Truth]] (1851)
* &quot;[[What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?]]&quot;, by [[Author:Frederick Douglass|Frederick Douglass]] (1852)
* &quot;[[Gettysburg Address]]&quot;, by [[Author:Abraham Lincoln|Abraham Lincoln]] (1863)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Atlanta Compromise]]&quot;, by [[Author:Booker Taliaferro Washington|Booker T. Washington]] (1895)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[Pearl Harbor speech]]&quot;, by [[Author:Franklin Delano Roosevelt|Franklin D. Roosevelt]] (1941)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] &quot;[[We choose to go to the moon]]&quot;, by [[Author:John Fitzgerald Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]] (1962)

===American dramatic works===
[[File:Valerie Bergere 1.jpg|thumb|Actress in ''Madame Butterfly'']]
* ''[[The Prince of Parthia]]'', by [[Author:Thomas Godfrey|Thomas Godfrey]] (1765)
* ''[[Representative American Plays/André|André]]'', by [[Author:William Dunlap|William Dunlap]] (1798)
* ''[[Under the Gaslight]]'', by [[Author:Augustin Daly|Augustin Daly]] (1867)
* ''[[Representative American Plays/Madame Butterfly|Madame Butterfly]]'', by [[Author:David Belasco|David Belasco]] and [[Author:John Luther Long|John Luther Long]] (1900)
* ''[[Beyond the Horizon]]'', by [[Author:Eugene O'Neill|Eugene O'Neill]] (1918)
* ''[[Street Scene (1929)|Street Scene]]'', by [[Author:Elmer Rice|Elmer Rice]] (1929)
* ''[[A Star is Born (1937)|A Star is Born]]'' (1937) {{media|type=video}} {{Commons link|A Star Is Born (1937).ogv}}, by [[Author:Dorothy Parker|Dorothy Parker]], William A. Wellman, Robert Carson, and Alan Campbell

===Other American works===

* ''[[The Pilgrim's Progress]]'', by [[Author:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]] (1678)
* ''[[The Innocents Abroad]]'', by [[Author:Samuel Langhorne Clemens|Mark Twain]] (1869)
* [[Image:Speaker Icon.svg|20px]] ''[[Ten Days in a Mad-House]]'', by [[Author:Elizabeth Jane Cochrane|Nellie Bly]] (1887)
* ''[[How the Other Half Lives]]'', by [[Author:Jacob Riis|Jacob Riis]] (1890)
* ''[[The Fun of It]]'', by [[Author:Amelia Earhart|Amelia Earhart]] (1932)

==Collections of American literature==
* ''[[The Poets and Poetry of America]]'', edited by [[Author:Rufus Wilmot Griswold|Rufus Wilmot Griswold]] (1842)
* ''[[The Female Prose Writers of America]]'', edited by [[Author:John Seely Hart|John Seely Hart]] (1852)
* ''[[The Book of American Negro Poetry]]'', edited by [[Author:James Weldon Johnson|James Weldon Johnson]] (1922)
* ''[[Representative American Plays]]'', edited by [[Author:Arthur Hobson Quinn|Arthur Hobson Quinn]] (1922)
* ''[[Caroling Dusk]]'', edited by [[Author:Countee Cullen|Countee Cullen]] (1927)

==Individual authors==
: ''For a more extensive listing see [[:Category:United States authors]]''.

===Colonial period (17th &amp; 18th centuries)===
[[File:Frontispiece for An Account of Anne Bradstreet The Puritan Poetess, and Kindred Topics, edited by Colonel Luther Caldwell (Boston, 1898) (cropped).jpg|thumb|Anne Bradstreet]]

* [[Author:William Bradford|William Bradford]]
* [[Author:Anne Bradstreet|Anne Bradstreet]]
* [[Author:Charles Brockden Brown|Charles Brockden Brown]]
* [[Author:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]]
* [[Author:William Dunlap|William Dunlap]]
* [[Author:Jonathan Edwards|Jonathan Edwards]]
* [[Author:Benjamin Franklin|Benjamin Franklin]]
* [[Author:Thomas Paine|Thomas Paine]]
* [[Author:William Penn|William Penn]]
* [[Author:John Trumbull|John Trumbull]]
* [[Author:Phillis Wheatley|Phillis Wheatley]]
* [[Author:John Woolman|John Woolman]]

===19th century===
[[File:Frederick Douglass (circa 1879).jpg|thumb|Frederick Douglass]]

* [[Author:Louisa May Alcott|Louisa May Alcott]]
* [[Author:William Cullen Bryant|William Cullen Bryant]]
* [[Author:Samuel Langhorne Clemens|Samuel Langhorne Clemens]] (Mark Twain)
* [[Author:Elizabeth Jane Cochrane|Elizabeth Jane Cochrane]] (Nellie Bly)
* [[Author:James Fenimore Cooper|James Fenimore Cooper]]
* [[Author:Stephen Crane|Stephen Crane]]
* [[Author:Augustin Daly|Augustin Daly]]
* [[Author:Emily Dickinson|Emily Dickinson]]
* [[Author:Frederick Douglass|Frederick Douglass]]
* [[Author:Paul Laurence Dunbar|Paul Laurence Dunbar]]
* [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Ralph Waldo Emerson]]
* [[Author:Frances Ellen Watkins Harper|Frances Ellen Watkins Harper]]
* [[Author:Francis Bret Harte|Francis Bret Harte]]
* [[Author:Nathaniel Hawthorne|Nathaniel Hawthorne]]
* [[Author:Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809-1894)|Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.]]
* [[Author:Julia Ward Howe|Julia Ward Howe]]
* [[Author:Washington Irving|Washington Irving]]
* [[Author:Henry James (1843-1916)|Henry James]]
* [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]]
* [[Author:James Russell Lowell|James Russell Lowell]]
* [[Author:Herman Melville|Herman Melville]]
* [[Author:John Neal|John Neal]]
* [[Author:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]]
* [[Author:Elizabeth Cady Stanton|Elizabeth Cady Stanton]]
* [[Author:Henry David Thoreau|Henry David Thoreau]]
* [[Author:Walt Whitman|Walt Whitman]]
* [[Author:John Greenleaf Whittier|John Greenleaf Whittier]]

===1900 to 1960===
[[File:F Scott Fitzgerald 1921.jpg|thumb|F. Scott Fitzgerald]]
[[File:Hurston-Zora-Neale-LOC.jpg|thumb|Zora Neale Hurston]]

* [[Author:Earl Derr Biggers|Earl Derr Biggers]]
* [[Author:Edgar Rice Burroughs|Edgar Rice Burroughs]]
* [[Author:Dorothy Canfield Fisher|Dorothy Canfield Fisher]]
* [[Author:Willa Sibert Cather|Willa Cather]]
* [[Author:Edward Estlin Cummings|e. e. cummings]]
* [[Author:Philip Kindred Dick|Philip K. Dick]]
* [[Author:John Roderigo Dos Passos|John Dos Passos]]
* [[Author:Theodore Dreiser|Theodore Dreiser]]
* [[Author:William Edward Burghardt Du Bois|W.E.B. Du Bois]]
* [[Author:William Faulkner|William Faulkner]]
* [[Author:Edna Ferber|Edna Ferber]]
* [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald|F. Scott Fitzgerald]]
* [[Author:Robert Frost|Robert Frost]]
* [[Author:Zona Gale|Zona Gale]]
* [[Author:Charlotte Perkins Gilman|Charlotte Perkins Gilman]]
* [[Author:Zane Grey|Zane Grey]]
* [[Author:Angelina Weld Grimké|Angelina Weld Grimké]]
* [[Author:Samuel Dashiell Hammett|Dashiell Hammett]]
* [[Author:Ernest Miller Hemingway|Ernest Hemingway]]
* [[Author:James Mercer Langston Hughes|Langston Hughes]]
* [[Author:Zora Neale Hurston|Zora Neale Hurston]]
* [[Author:Sinclair Lewis|Sinclair Lewis]]
* [[Author:Jack London|Jack London]]
* [[Author:Howard Phillips Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft]]
* [[Author:Amy Lowell|Amy Lowell]]
* [[Author:Claude McKay|Claude McKay]]
* [[Author:Edna St. Vincent Millay|Edna St. Vincent Millay]]
* [[Author:Andre Norton|Andre Norton]]
* [[Author:Eugene O'Neill|Eugene O'Neill]]
* [[Author:Dorothy Parker|Dorothy Parker]]
* [[Author:William Sydney Porter|William Sydney Porter]] (O. Henry)
* [[Author:Ezra Pound|Ezra Pound]]
* [[Author:Edwin Arlington Robinson|Edwin Arlington Robinson]]
* [[Author:Carl Sandburg|Carl Sandburg]]
* [[Author:Upton Beall Sinclair|Upton Sinclair]]
* [[Author:Gertrude Stein|Gertrude Stein]]
* [[Author:John Ernst Steinbeck|John Steinbeck]]
* [[Author:Newton Booth Tarkington|Booth Tarkington]]
* [[Author:Sara Teasdale|Sara Teasdale]]
* [[Author:Booker Taliaferro Washington|Booker T. Washington]]
* [[Author:Edith Wharton|Edith Wharton]]
* [[Author:Thornton Niven Wilder|Thornton Wilder]]

==Works about American literature==
[[File:Library of Congress (3685733653).jpg|thumb|Inside the Library of Congress]]

===Books===
* ''[[A History of the American Theatre]]'' (1832) by [[Author:William Dunlap|William Dunlap]] {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/historyofamerica00dunl}}
* ''[[A History of American Literature]]'' (1896) by [[Author:Fred Lewis Pattee|Fred Lewis Pattee]] {{ssl|A history of American literature.. (IA historyofamerica01patt).pdf}}
* ''[[The Cambridge History of American Literature]]'' (1917)
* ''[[Our Poets of Today]]'' (1918) by [[Author:Howard Willard Cook|Howard Willard Cook]]
* ''[[The American Novel]]'' (1921/1940) by [[Author:Carl Clinton Van Doren|Carl Clinton Van Doren]]  ([http://www.archive.org/details/TheAmericanNovel 1940 version])
* ''[[Contemporary American Novelists 1900-1920]]'' (1922) by Carl Clinton Van Doren {{ssl|Contemporary American novelists, 1900-1920 - Carl Van Doren.djvu}}
* ''[[Americans (Sherman)|Americans]]'' (1922) by [[Author:Stuart Pratt Sherman|Stuart Pratt Sherman]]
* ''[[Studies in Classic American Literature]]'' (1923) by [[Author:David Herbert Lawrence|D. H. Lawrence]]

===Articles and Chapters===
* &quot;[[America To-Day, Observations and Reflections/American Literature|American Literature]]&quot; in ''[[America To-Day, Observations and Reflections]]'' (1900)  by [[Author:William Archer (1856-1924)|William Archer]]
* &quot;[[Supernatural Horror in Literature]]&quot;, by [[Author:Howard Phillips Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft]] (1927)

===Encyclopedic articles===
* &quot;[[The American Cyclopædia (1879)/United States, Literature of the|Literature of the United States]]&quot; in [[The American Cyclopædia (1879)]] by C. S. Weyman and Robert Carter
*{{EB1911 link|American Literature}}

===Literary magazines===
* [[The American Review: A Whig Journal of Politics, Literature, Art, and Science]] (1845-1849)
* [[Publishers Weekly]] (1872-)

==See also==
===Child portals===
* [[Portal:United States Poets Laureate|United States Poets Laureate]]
* [[Portal:Pulitzers|Pulitzers]]
* [[Portal:Harlem Renaissance|Harlem Renaissance]]
* [[Portal:The Charles Henry Gauss Family Papers|The Charles Henry Gauss Family Papers]]

===Parent portals===
* [[Portal:English language]]
* [[Portal:English literature]]

===Related portals===
* [[Portal:United States]] - for works created by or written about the United States government or its agencies.
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Topographical Accounts of Parishes and Manors. By Various Authorities&lt;br /&gt; 
History of the Feudal Baronage. {{sc|J. Horace Round}}, M.A., LL.D., and {{sc|Oswald Barron}}, F.S.A.&lt;br /&gt; 
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[[File:Coat of arms of the lands of the Bohemian Crown.svg|thumb|Coat of arms of the lands of the Bohemian Crown]]
==Generally==
* [[Bohemian Section at the Austrian Exhibition, Earl's Court London 1906]] by collective of authors
* [[Bohemia's claim for freedom]] (1915), ed. [[Author:Jindřich Procházka|Jindřich Procházka]]
* [[Bohemia's case for independence]] (1917) by [[Author:Edvard Beneš|Edvard Beneš]]
* [[The voice of an oppressed people]] (c1917), by [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk]] and [[Author:Jaroslav František Smetánka|Jaroslav František Smetánka]]
* [[Bohemian Question]] (1917) by [[Author:Charles Pergler|Charles Pergler]]
===Symbols===
*[[Kde domov můj]] by [[Author:František Jan Škroup|František Jan Škroup]] and [[Author:Josef Kajetán Tyl|Josef Kajetán Tyl]], 1834 (national anthem since 1918)
* [[The Czechoslovak flag, historic coat of arms of the Czechoslovak lands]] by [[Portal:Czechoslovak National Council|Czechoslovak National Council]], September 1918

===Documents===
* [[Select Historical Documents of the Middle Ages/Book II/The Golden Bull of the Emperor Charles IV|Golden Bull of 1356]]
* [[Prussia's Proclamation to Bohemia in 1866]] (8 July 1866)
* [[Declaration of the Bohemian Foreign Committee]] (14 November 1915)
*[[Manifesto of Czech writers]] (1917)
* [[Decree of recognition of the Czechoslovak Army in France]] (16 December 1917)
*[[Epiphany Declaration]] (January 6, 1918)
* {{CR link|The Prague National Council|2|9}}
* [[British recognition of the Czechoslovak National Council]] (August 1918)
* {{CR link|American Recognition for the Czechoslovaks|2|9}}
*[[Declaration of Independence of the Czechoslovak Nation by Its Provisional Government]] (18 October 1918)
*[[Proclamation of the Czechoslovak independence by the National Committee]] (28 October 1918)
* [[Czechoslovakia Establishment Act]] (28 October 1918)
*[[Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic (1920)|Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic]] (1920)
*[[Munich Pact]] (1938)
*[[Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic (1948)]]
*[[Constitution of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic]]
*[[Constitutional Act on the Czechoslovak Federation]]
*[[Proclamation 5682]], 1987, by [[Author:Ronald Reagan|Ronald Reagan]]
*[[United Nations Security Council Resolution 801]], 1993
*[[Constitution of the Czech Republic]]
*[[United States House of Representatives Concurrent Resolution No. 99]] (2018)

===Magazine articles===
* {{Article link|article=Bohemia and the Czechs|periodical=National Geographic Magazine|volume=31|issue=2|issue_rank=Number|Month=2|year=1917|author=[[Author:Aleš Hrdlička|Aleš Hrdlička]]}}
* {{PSM link|The Slavic Immigrant|63|May 1903|author=Allan J. McLaughlin}}
* &quot;[[The Future Status of Bohemia]]&quot; (1917, multiple editions)
* {{CR link|The Present Status of the Bohemian Question|1|5}}
* {{CR link|Autonomy and Self-determination|2|2}}
* {{NE link|Unrest in Bohemia|7|86|year=1918|month=6|day=6|author=Vladimír Nosek}}
* {{CR link|In Sight of the Goal|2|10}}

===Encyclopedia articles===
* {{EB1911 link|Czech}}
* {{Collier's link|Czechs}}
* {{NSRW link|Czechs}}
* {{CE link|The Slavs}}, section Bohemians and Slovaks
* {{EB9 link|Bohemia}}
* {{EB1911 link|Bohemia}}
* {{NSRW link|Bohemia}}
* {{CE link|Bohemia}}
* {{EB9 link|Moravia}}
* {{NIE link|Moravia}}
* {{EB1911 link|Moravia}}
* {{CE link|Moravia}}
* {{EB1911 link|Silesia}}
* {{CE link|Silesia}}
* {{Collier's link|Czecho-Slovakia, Republic of}}
* {{EB1922 link|Czechoslovakia}}
* {{Factbook link|year=1982|Czechoslovakia}}
* {{Factbook link|year=1990|Czechoslovakia}}

===Speeches===
*[[The Future of Bohemia (Seton-Watson)|The Future of Bohemia]] by [[Author:Robert William Seton-Watson|Robert William Seton-Watson]] (1915)
*[[Bohemia's claim to independence]] (1916) by [[Author:Charles Pergler|Charles Pergler]]
* [[The Heart of Europe]] (1916) by [[Author:Charles Pergler|Charles Pergler]]
* {{CR link|Two Memorable Speeches|1|7}}
* {{CR link|Oath of Czechoslovak Soldiers|2|4}}
* {{CR link|The National Assembly of Prague, April 13, 1918|2|6}}
* {{CR link|Bold Speaking in the Reichsrat|2|8|Adolf Stránský}}
* {{CR link|No Compromise|2|10|Charles Pergler}}
* {{CR link|Masaryk's Message on First Independence Day|3|12}}
* [[Czechoslovakia's tribute to the memory of Woodrow Wilson]] (1924)
*[[ Address by His Excellency Vaclav Havel, President of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic]], presented in the U. S. Congress on 21 February 1990
* [[Presidential Radio Address - 17 November 1990]] by [[Author:George Herbert Walker Bush|George Herbert Walker Bush]] on the Velvet Revolution anniversary
* [[Barack Obama's speech announcing the goal of Total Nuclear Disarmament|Speech announcing the goal of Total Nuclear Disarmament]] presented by [[Author:Barack Obama|Barack Obama]] in Prague on 5 April 2009

===Posters===
* [[Czechoslovaks! Join Our Free Colors]]

== Agriculture==
*&quot;[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany/Hop cultivation in Bohemia|Hop cultivation in Bohemia]]&quot; by [[Author:David Grandison Fairchild|David G. Fairchild]]  in ''[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany]]'', no. 19 (1899)
*&quot;[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany/Horse-radish culture in Bohemia|Horse-radish culture in Bohemia]]&quot; by [[Author:David Grandison Fairchild|David G. Fairchild]]  in ''[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany]]'', no. 20 (1899)

== Art ==
* {{CR link|An Illustrated Folk Song by Mikuláš Aleš|1|8}}
* &quot;[[Fine Arts in Bohemia]]&quot;  in ''[[The Czechoslovak Review|The Bohemian Review]]'', '''[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 1|1]]–[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 2|2]]''' (1917–1918)
* {{CR link|Prague, city of seven hills|3|1|John Charles Vondrouš}}
* {{CR link|Josef Mánes|3|2|Vojta Beneš}}
* {{CR link|Joža Úprka|3|4|Jozef Žák-Marušiak}}
* {{CR link|Mikuláš Aleš|3|5|Vojta Beneš}}
* {{CR link|Albin Polášek|3|7|Josef Mach}}
* [[Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha]], by [[Author:Christian Brinton|Christian Brinton]] and [[Author:Šárka B. Hrbková|Šárka B. Hrbková]] (1921)
* [[Modern and contemporary Czech art]], by [[Author:Antonín Matějček|Antonín Matějček]] and [[Author:Zdeněk Wirth|Zdeněk Wirth]] (1924)
* [[An introduction to the work of Alfons Mucha and Art Nouveau]], by [[Author:Ian Courtenay Johnston|Ian Courtenay Johnston]] (2014)
* [[Preliminary Notes on Cubist Architecture in Prague]] 2004 by [[Author:Ian Courtenay Johnston|Ian Courtenay Johnston]]
* {{SL link|The Early Artists of Bohemia|18|3|Zdeněk Fierlinger|year=1928|month=1}}

== Cuisine==
* [[Bohemian-American Cook Book]] by [[Author:Marie Rosická|Marie Rosická]], translated by [[Author:Rose Rosicky|Rose Rosicky]] (1915)
* [[Old Czech Recipes For Today's Kitchens]] by [[Portal:Clarkson Woman's Club|Clarkson Woman's Club]] (1920)

==Economy==
* {{CR link|Situation in the old country|1|9}}
* {{CR link|American Interests and Bohemian Question|1|11–12|Jaroslav František Smetánka}}
* &quot;[[Economic Strength of the Bohemian Lands]]&quot; by [[Author:Vojta Beneš|Vojta Beneš]] in ''[[The Czechoslovak Review|The Bohemian Review]]'', '''[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 2|2]]''' (2, 4) (1918)
* {{CR link|Hunger riots of Kladno|2|7}}
* {{CR link|Chamber of Commerce proposed|3|1}}
* {{CR link|American Commerce with Czechoslovakia|3|2}}
* {{CR link|The Paper Crown|3|4|Josef Jiří Král}}
* {{CR link|Rašín's Financial Measures|3|5}}
* {{CR link|Sending money to Bohemia|3|5}}
* {{CR link|Bohemia Compared with Austria|3|9|Josef Jiří Král}}
* {{CR link|Tradesmen's Organizations|3|12|Antonín Zikmund Kříž}}

==Education==
* {{CR link|Czechoslovak Secondary Education|3|10|Karel Velemínský}}

==Emigration==
* [[Slavs on Southern Farms]] by [[Author:LeRoy Hodges|LeRoy Hodges]] (1914)
* [[Bohemians in Central Kansas]] by [[Author:Francis Joseph Swehla|Francis Joseph Swehla]] et al. (1915)
* [[The Czechs of Cleveland]] by [[Author:Eleanor Ledbetter|Eleanor Ledbetter]] (1919)
* [[Old Czech Recipes For Today's Kitchens]] by [[Portal:Clarkson Woman's Club|Clarkson Woman's Club]] (1920)
* [[The Czechoslovaks in the United States]] by [[Author:Jaroslav František Smetánka|Jaroslav František Smetánka]] (c1920)

===Articles===
*{{article link | article = The Bohemian Women in New York | periodical = Charities | year = 1904 | volume =13|issue =10| issue_rank =Number|author = [[Author:Jane Elizabeth Robbins|Jane E. Robbins]]}}
*{{article link | article = The Bohemians in Chicago | periodical = Charities | year = 1904 | volume =13|issue =10| issue_rank =Number|author = [[Author:Alice Garrigue Masaryková|Alice G. Masaryk]]}}
*{{article link | article = Bohemian Farmers of Wisconsin | periodical = Charities | year = 1904 | volume =13|issue =10| issue_rank =Number|author = [[Author:Nan Mashek|Nan Mashek]]}}
*{{article link | article = The Catholic Church and Bohemian Immigrants | periodical = Charities | year = 1904 | volume =13|issue =14| issue_rank =Number|author = [[Author:John G. Kissner|John G. Kissner]]}}
*{{article link | article = The Slavic Races in Cleveland | periodical = Charities | year = 1904 | volume =13|issue =16| issue_rank =Number|author = [[Author:Magdalena Kučera|Magdalena Kučera]]}}
* [[Report of Bohemian Section to the Socialist Party National Convention, May 1912|Report of Bohemian Section to the Socialist Party National Convention, [May 1912]]] by [[Author:Josef Novák|Josef Novák]]
* {{CE link|The Slavs in America}}, section Bohemians
* {{CE link|Bohemians of the United States}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians in Canada|1|2}}
* {{CR link|Sokols to fight for America|1|2}}
* {{CR link|Allied Bazaar in Baltimore|1|3}}
* {{CR link|Enthusiasm grows|1|3}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian Contingent in the Canadian Forces|1|4}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians in Texas|1|5}}
* {{CR link|Teaching of Bohemian in High Schools and Colleges|1|5}}
* {{CR link|Appeal of Bohemian pastors|1|5}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians in Nebraska|1|6|Šárka B. Hrbková}}
* {{CR link|President Judson's message|1|7}}
* {{CR link|How Bohemians Organized|1|8}}
* {{CR link|Catholic Bohemians at work|1|9}}
* {{CR link|The Bohemian Voice|1|9}}
* {{CR link|From the Protestant camp|1|9}}
* {{CR link|League of small nationalities|1|10|Charles Pergler}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians are known in Canada|1|11–12}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian Socialists Demand Repeal of St. Louis Platform|2|3}}
* {{CR link|Some quiet workers|2|3}}
* {{CR link|What a small society has accomplished|2|4}}
* {{CR link|Loyalty of Bohemians to America|2|4}}
* {{CR link|Liberty Loan record of Bohemians|2|5}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians in the Third Liberty Loan|2|6}}
* {{CR link|The Secret of Czechoslovak Success|2|8}}
* {{CR link|The convention of the Č. S. P. S.|2|9}}
* {{CR link|What the Czechs in America Feel|2|10}}
* {{CR link|United We Stand|2|10 (2)|Frank Šindelář}}
* {{CR link|They, too, have labored|3|2}}
* {{CR link|What We Have Accomplished|3|3}}
* {{CR link|The Work of Our Women|3|3|Libuše Moták}}
* {{CR link|The Čechs in America|3|8|Charles Pergler}}
* {{CR link|A Library for Bohemians|3|9|Eleanor Ledbetter}}
* {{CR link|Czechoslovaks in South Africa|3|11|Vladislav Bouček}}
* {{SL link|Czechoslovak Men of Note|18|1|year=1927|month=11}}
* {{SL link|Prominent Americans of Czechoslovak Ancestry|18|2|year=1927|month=12}}
* {{SL link|Prominent Americans of Czechoslovak Ancestry|18|3|year=1928|month=1}}
* {{article link | periodical = Czecho-Slovak Student Life | volume = 18 | direct_link = &quot;[[Czech-American Names]]&quot; | year = 1928 | author= [[Author:John Paul Bohumil Dudek|J. B. Dudek]]}}
* &quot;[[The Story of Jos. Francl]]&quot; by [[Author:Joseph Francl|Joseph Francl]] et al. in ''[[Fraternal Herald|Bratrský Věstník]]'' (1928)
* &quot;[[Pioneer Czechs in Colfax County]]&quot; by [[Author:Rose Rosicky|Rose Rosicky]] et al. in ''[[The Colfax County Press and the Clarkson Herald Consolidated ]]'' (1933–1934)
* '''[[Portal:Bohemian Foreign Committee]]'''
* '''[[Portal:Bohemian National Alliance of America]]'''
* '''[[Portal:Czechoslovak National Council]]'''

==Ethnography==
* [[A Selection of Bohemian National Embroidery from Náprstek's Bohemian Industrial Museum]] by [[Author:Jan Koula|Jan Koula]], translated by [[Author:Jane Mourek|Jane Mourek]] (1893)
* {{CR link|Bohemian Needlework and Costumes|2|1|Renáta Tyršová}}

==Geography==
* {{EB1911 link|Elbe}}
* {{NSRW link|Moldau}}
* {{EB1911 link|Riesengebirge}}
** {{EB1911 link|Schneekoppe}}
* {{CR link|Sea Coast of Bohemia|1|9}}

===Cities===
* Prague
** &quot;[[The famous city of Prague|The Famous City of Prague]]&quot;, by [[Author:Countess Stuart D'Albany|Stuart D'Albany]], in ''[[Once a Week (magazine)|Once a Week]]'', [[Once a Week (magazine)/Series 1|Series 1]], '''[[Once a Week (magazine)/Series 1/Volume 3|3]]''' (1860) 
** [[The Story of Prague]] (1902, 1920 reprint) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
** [[The Old Town Hall of Prague]] (1911) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
** [[Prague]] (1911), uncredited
** {{EB1911 link|Prague}}
** {{NSRW link|Prague}}
** {{CE link|University of Prague}}
** {{CE link|Archdiocese of Prague}}
** &quot;[[Impressions of Czechoslovakia]]&quot; in ''[[Fraternal Herald|Bratrský věstník]]'', '''31''' (5–6) (1928)
*:''Today's parts of Prague''
** {{NIE link|Smichow}}
* Aš
** {{EB9 link|Asch}}
* Beroun
** {{EB1911 link|Beraun}}
* Bílina
** {{EB1911 link|Bilin}}
* Brno
** {{EB1911 link|Brünn}}
* Broumov
** {{EB1911 link|Braunau}}
* Čáslav
** {{NIE link|Czaslau}}
* České Budějovice
** {{EB1911 link|Budweis}}
** {{CE link|Diocese of Budweis}}
* Český Těšín
** {{EB1911 link|Teschen}}
* Cheb
** {{EB1911 link|Eger (Austria)|display=Eger}}
* Chomutov
** {{EB1911 link|Komotau}}
* Chrudim
** {{EB1911 link|Chrudim}}
* Děčín
** {{EB1911 link|Tetschen}}
** {{EB1911 link|Bodenbach}}
* Duchcov
** {{EB1911 link|Dux}}
* Dvůr Králové
** {{EB1911 link|Königinhof}}
* Františkovy Lázně
** {{EB9 link|Franzensbad}}
** {{EB1911 link|Franzensbad}}
** [[Mariánské Lázně, Františkovy Lázně]]
* Hradec Králové
** {{EB1911 link|Königgrätz}}
** {{CE link|Diocese of Königgrätz}}
* Jičín
** {{EB1911 link|Gitschin}}
* Jihlava
** {{EB1911 link|Iglau}}
* Karlovy Vary
** {{PT link|volume=50|link=An Account of the Carlsbad Mineral Waters in Bohemia|author=[[Author:Jeremiah Milles|Jeremiah Milles]]}} (1757)
** [[Essay on the mineral waters of Carlsbad]] (1835) by [[Author:Jean de Carro|Jean de Carro]], [[Author:August Carl Joseph Corda|A. C. J. Corda]] and [[Author:Karel Bořivoj Presl|C. B. Presl]]
** [[Guide through Carlsbad and its environs]] (1884) by [[Author:Eduard Hlawaczek|Eduard Hlawaczek]]
** {{EB1911 link|Carlsbad}}
* Kladno
** {{EB1911 link|Kladno}}
* Kraslice
** {{EB9 link|Graslitz}}
** {{EB1911 link|Graslitz}}
* Krumlov
** {{EB1911 link|Krumau}}
* Litoměřice
** {{EB9 link|Leitmeritz}}
** {{EB1911 link|Leitmeritz}}
** {{CE link|Diocese of Leitmeritz}}
* Mariánské Lázně
** [[Mariánské Lázně, Františkovy Lázně]]
* Mikulov
** {{EB1911 link|Nikolsburg}}
* Mladá Boleslav
** {{EB1911 link|Jung-Bunzlau}}
*Nový Jičín
** {{EB1911 link|Neutitschein}}
* Olomouc
** {{AmCyc link|Olmütz}}
** {{EB9 link|Olmütz}}
** {{EB1911 link|Olmütz}}
** {{CE link|Archdiocese of Olmütz}}
** {{CE link|Archdiocese of Olomouc}}
* Ostrava
** {{EB1911 link|Ostrau}}
* Plzeň
** {{EB1911 link|Pilsen}}
* Přerov
** {{EB1911 link|Prerau}}
* Příbram
** {{EB1911 link|Přibram}}
* Prostějov
** {{EB1911 link|Prossnitz}}
* Roudnice nad Labem
** {{EB1911 link|Raudnitz}}
* Slaný
** {{EB1911 link|Schlan}}
* Tábor
** {{EB1911 link|Tabor}}
* Úštěk (Auscha)
**&quot;[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany/Hop cultivation in Bohemia|Hop cultivation in Bohemia]]&quot; by [[Author:David Grandison Fairchild|David G. Fairchild]] (1899)
* Ústí nad Labem
** {{EB9 link|Aussig}}
** {{EB1911 link|Aussig}}
* Žatec
**&quot;[[Circular of the United States Department of Agriculture, Division of Botany/Hop cultivation in Bohemia|Hop cultivation in Bohemia]]&quot; by [[Author:David Grandison Fairchild|David G. Fairchild]] (1899)
** {{EB1911 link|Saaz}}
* Znojmo
** {{EB1911 link|Znaim}}

==History==
* [[The History of the Bohemian Persecution]] (1650) by [[Author:Johan Amos Comenius|Johan Amos Comenius]] 
* [[The Story of Bohemia]] (1895) by [[Author:Frances Gregor|Frances Gregor]] 
* [[The Story of Prague]] (1902, 1920 reprint) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[Lectures on The Historians of Bohemia]] (1905) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[The life and times of Master John Hus]] (1909) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[The Hussite Wars]] (1914) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[Bohemia under Hapsburg misrule]] (1915) by [[Author:Thomas Čapek (1861-1950)|Thomas Čapek]] et al.
* [[The Czecho-Slovaks (Namier)|The Czecho-Slovaks]] (1917) by [[Author:Lewis Bernstein Namier|Lewis Bernstein Namier]]
* [[The Case of Bohemia]] (1917) by [[Author:Lewis Bernstein Namier|Lewis Bernstein Namier]]
* [[Bohemia; a brief evaluation of Bohemia's contribution to civilization]] (1917) edited by [[Author:Jaroslav Josef Zmrhal|Jaroslav Josef Zmrhal]] and [[Author:Vojta Beneš|Vojta Beneš]]
* [[Great Britain and The Czecho-Slovaks]] (1919) by [[Author:Vladimír Nosek|Vladimír Nosek]]
* [[Bohemia: An Historical Sketch]] (1910, 1920 reprint) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[Hitler Dupes the Vatican]] (especially the chapters &quot;[[Hitler Dupes the Vatican/Chapter II|The Approach to Munich]]&quot;, &quot;[[Hitler Dupes the Vatican/Chapter III|The Murder Of Czechoslovakia]]&quot; and &quot;[[Hitler Dupes the Vatican/Chapter IV|Why France Betrayed The Czechs]]&quot;) by [[Author:Joseph McCabe|Joseph McCabe]]
* '''[[Portal:Hussite Wars]]'''
===Magazine and encyclopaedia articles===
*{{article link
 | article    = Zampach and its Ghosts
 | periodical = The Lady's Realm
 | year       = 1899
 | volume     = 6
}}
* {{CR link|Bohemia and the European Crisis|1|2|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk}}
* {{CR link|Austria and the Czechs|2|9|Jan Herben}}
* {{SL link|Rev. Dr. Wenceslaus Michalicka, O.S.B., Delivers Address from Radio Stations WGES and WMAQ|18|2|year=1927|month=12|author=Wenceslaus Cyrill Michalicka

==Industry==
* {{PSM link|Bohemian Glass|29|July 1886|author=Heinrich Schwarz}}
* {{CR link|The famous Pilsener beer has ceased to be|1|11–12}}
* {{CR link|The Future of Škoda Works|3|5}}
* {{CR link|Czechoslovak Lace|3|9|Emil F. Prantner}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian Glass Industry|3|12|Josef Soukup}}
* {{CR link|The Coal Problem|4|2|Jiří Stříbrný}}

==Language and literature==
*'''[[Portal:Czech literature]]'''
* {{article link | article = Shakespeare in Bohemia | author = [[Author:Josef Jiří Král|Josef Jiří Král]] | periodical = Poet Lore | volume = 4 | issue = 4 | issue_rank = Number | year = 1892}}
* [[A grammar of the Bohemian or Čech language]] (1899)
* {{NIE link|Czech language}}
* {{EB1911 link|Czech}}
===Name of the country in English language===
*{{CR link|Bohemians or Chehs|3|1}}
*{{CR link|Proper Spelling of &quot;Czechoslovak&quot;|3|2}}
*{{CR link|Bohemians or What|3|4}}

==Law==
* [[The Jail]], by [[Author:Josef Svatopluk Machar|Josef Svatopluk Machar]] (1921)
===Articles===
* {{CR link|Condemnation of Kramar|1|2}}
* {{CR link|Legal Phases of An Austrian Treason Trial|1|3|Charles Pergler}}
* {{CR link|Deputy Klofac's Prison Memoirs|2|2|Václav Jaroslav Klofáč}}

==Medicine==
* [[Essay on the mineral waters of Carlsbad]] (1835) by [[Author:Jean de Carro|Jean de Carro]], [[Author:August Carl Joseph Corda|A. C. J. Corda]] and [[Author:Karel Bořivoj Presl|C. B. Presl]]

==Minorities==
* [[Jews in the Czecho-Slovak State]], 1919
* [[The Jewish Question]] in ''[[The Czechoslovak Review]]'', [[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 3|'''3''']]–[[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 4|'''4''']] (1919–1920)

==Music==
* [[The Music of Bohemia]], 1919 by  [[Author:Ladislav Urban|Ladislav Urban]]

===Articles===
* {{DMM link|Battle of Prague, The}}
* {{DMM link|Polka}}
* {{EB1911 link|Polka}}
* {{CR link|Bohemian Musical Art|3|4|Ladislav Urban}}
* {{Americana link|Polka}}
* [[Jan Hus House cherishing music of Czecho-Slovakia for its people here]] in ''[[Musical America]]'', '''30''' (9)
* {{SL link |Picture on the S. L. Cover|18|3|year=1928|month=1}}
* {{SL link |Music of the Czechs|18|7|Ella Správková|year=1928|month=5}}

==Mythology==
* {{Once a Week link|series=1|volume=11|link=Midsummer-eve in Bohemia|author=[[Author:William King Westly|William King Westly]]}}
* {{EB1911 link|Přemysl}}
* '''[[Portal:Libuše]]'''

==Nature==
* {{PT link|volume=50|link=An Account of the Carlsbad Mineral Waters in Bohemia|author=[[Author:Jeremiah Milles|Jeremiah Milles]]}} (1757)
* {{EB1911 link|Pyrope}}

==Noble families==
* {{EB1911 link|Thun-Hohenstein}}

==Politics==
* [[Diary of an embassy from King George of Bohemia to King Louis XI of France in the year of grace 1464]] (1871)
* [[The Independence of the Czecho-Slovak Nation]] (1918)
* [[The Peace League of George Poděbrad, King of Bohemia]] by [[Author:Jan Kapras|Jan Kapras]] (1919)

===Magazine articles===
* {{NE link|Poles, Czechs and Jugoslavs|3|34|Panther|year=1917|month=6|day=7}}
* {{NE link|Bohemia's Demand for Independence|3|34|year=1917|month=6|day=7}}
* {{NE link|Racial Demands in the Reichsrat|3|36|year=1917|month=6|day=21}}
* {{NE link|Slav Speeches in the Reichsrat|3|38|year=1917|month=7|day=3}}
* {{CR link|From the Journal of the Reichsrat|1|7}}
* {{CR link|Police Rule in Bohemia|1|7|Daniel Thomas Curtin}}
* {{NE link|Austria: A Study in Confusion|4|45|Vladimír Nosek|year=1917|month=8|day=23}}
* {{CR link|Czech Representatives Defy Austria|1|10|René Pichon}}
* {{NE link|Austria, Hungary and the Slavs|5|62|year=1917|month=12|day=20}}
* {{CR link|Czechoslovaks Look to America|2|2|Josef Tvrzický}}
* {{NE link|The Czechs and Austria|6|70|author=Robert William Seton-Watson|year=1918|month=2|day=14}}
* {{CR link|The Constituent Assembly of Prague|2|3}}
* {{CR link|Premier Seidler on the Declaration on Jan. 6, 1918|2|3}}
* [[Towards a New Central Europe]] by [[Author:Vladimír Nosek|Vladimír Nosek]] (1918)
* {{CR link|Carpathian Russians and the Czechoslovaks|2|5}}
* {{CR link|Progress of Rebellion in Bohemia|2|6}}
* {{CR link|The May Demonstrations in Prague|2|7}}
* {{CR link|Premier Seidler's message to the Czechs|2|7}}
* {{CR link|Congress of Slav women|2|7}}
* {{CR link|Convention of Slav journalists in Prague|2|7}}
* {{CR link|Bloodless Revolution in Bohemia|2|11–12}}
* {{CR link|Events in Bohemia|3|2}}
* {{CR link|The Controversy About Teschen|3|3}}
* {{CR link|Improved Conditions in Bohemia|3|4}}
* {{CR link|The Czechoslovak record in Russia|3|5}}
* {{CR link|The Czech Heart|3|5|Peter Kompiš}}
* {{CR link|Crisis That Blew Over|3|5}}
* {{CR link|Socialism in Bohemia|3|5|Aleš Brož}}
* {{CR link|German Plots Against Czechoslovakia|3|5}}
* {{CR link|First American minister in Prague|3|5}}
* &quot;[[Resigning Czech Consul Assails Red Regime]]&quot;, in ''[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]'' (12 June 1949)
* '''[[Portal:Czechoslovak National Committee]]'''

==Religion==
* [[The History of the Bohemian Persecution]] (1650) by [[Author:Johan Amos Comenius|Johan Amos Comenius]]
* [[The Moravian Episcopate]] (1865) by [[Author:Edmund Alexander de Schweinitz|Edmund Alexander de Schweinitz]]
* [[John Huss (Rashdall)|John Huss]] (1879) by [[Author:Hastings Rashdall|Hastings Rashdall]]
* [[Glimpses of Bohemia]] (1882) by [[Author:James Macdonald (born 1850)|James Macdonald]]
* [[The life and times of Master John Hus]] (1909) by [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]]
* [[John Huss: his life, teachings and death, after five hundred years]] (1915) by [[Author:David Schley Schaff|David Schley Schaff]]
* {{CR link|The relation of Church and State|3|2|Francis Wenceslaus Jedlička}}
* [[The Religious Conditions in Czechoslovakia]] by [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk]] (c1921)
===Religious groups and churches===
* {{CE link|Abrahamites}}
* {{CE link|Adamites}}
* {{Americana link|Adamites}}
* &quot;[[A Dictionary of All Religions and Religious Denominations/Bohemian Brethren|Bohemian Brethren]]&quot; in ''[[A Dictionary of All Religions and Religious Denominations]]'' by [[Author:Hannah Adams|Hannah Adams]] (1784)
* {{NIE link|Brethren, Bohemian}}
* {{CE link|Bohemian Brethren}}
* &quot;[[A Dictionary of All Religions and Religious Denominations/Hussites|Hussites]]&quot; in ''[[A Dictionary of All Religions and Religious Denominations]]'' by [[Author:Hannah Adams|Hannah Adams]] (1784)
* {{NIE link|Hussites}}
* {{EB1911 link|Hussites}}
* {{CE link|Hus and Hussites}}
* {{EB9 link|Moravian Brethren}}
* {{NIE link|Moravians}}
* {{EB1911 link|Moravian Brethren}}
* {{NIE link|Taborites}}

===Ecclesiastical provinces===
* {{CE link|Archdiocese of Prague}}
* {{CE link|Archdiocese of Olmütz}}
* {{CE link|Archdiocese of Olomouc}}
* {{CE link|Diocese of Budweis}}
* {{CE link|Diocese of Königgrätz}}
* {{CE link|Diocese of Leitmeritz}}

===Religious structures and institutions===
* {{CE link|Tepl}}

==Society==
* {{CR link|Czech Women Real Patriots|2|11–12|[[Author:Olga Garrigue Masaryková-Revilliodová|Olga Masaryk]]|authorlink=no}}
* {{CR link|A North Bohemian Village|4|1|Donald Levant Breed}}

==Sports==
'''[[Portal:Sokol]]'''

==Wars and military==
* '''[[Portal:Hussite Wars]]'''
* {{EB1911 link|Austerlitz}}
* {{NSRW link|Sadowa}}
* {{NE link|Bohemia and Alsace|5|62|year=1917|month=12|day=20}}

===World War I===
* {{CR link|Where We Stand To-day|1|2|Charles Pergler}}
* {{CR link|Czech Soldiers in French Army|1|5}}
* {{CR link|Rare Letter from Bohemia|1|6}}
* {{CR link|Three brothers in three armies|1|8}}
* {{CR link|What We Have to Contend With|1|9|René Pichon}}
* {{CR link|Italy, the Friend of Bohemia|1|10|Jaroslav František Smetánka}}
* {{CR link|Hunger is general in Austria|1|10}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians Welcome War on Austria|1|11–12||Jaroslav František Smetánka}}
* {{CR link|Bohemians and the Allied Peace Terms|2|1}}
* {{CR link|The boys in Camp Sherman|2|3}}
* {{NE link|The Prince of Wales and the Czechs|7|88|year=1918|month=6|day=20|}}
* {{CR link|Civilized War Codes-Scraps of Paper|2|8|Emil F. Prantner}}
* {{CR link|How Two Czechs Died for their Country|2|9}}
* [[Great Britain's New Allies-The Czecho-Slovaks]] by [[Author:Vladimír Nosek|Vladimír Nosek]] (1918)
* * {{CR link|From Austrian Secret Archives|3|3}}
* [[Secrets of Crewe House/Appendix#250|Message of Professor Masaryk to the Czechoslovak army in Italy]], 1918, in ''[[Secrets of Crewe House]]'', 1921, by [[Author:Campbell Stuart|Campbell Stuart]]
*'''[[Portal:Czechoslovak Legions]]'''

==Other==
* [[Prague Manifesto]] by Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (1944)

==Individual people==
===Rulers===
* [[Portal:Wenceslaus I, Duke of Bohemia|Wenceslaus I]] (Duke of Bohemia (921–935)
* Boleslaus the Brave (Duke of Bohemia 1003–1004)
** {{EB1911 link|Boleslaus I.}}
* Ottokar I of Bohemia (Duke of Bohemia 1192–1193, 1197–1198; King of Bohemia 1198–1230)
** {{EB1911 link|Ottakar I.}}
* [[Author:Wenceslaus II of Bohemia|Wenceslaus II of Bohemia]] (King of Bohemia 1300–1305)
* John of Bohemia (King of Bohemia 1310–1346)
** {{EB1911 link|John of Bohemia}}
* [[Author:Charles IV|Charles IV]] (King of Bohemia 1346–1378)
* [[Portal:Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia|Wenceslaus IV]] (King of Bohemia 1378–1419, Margrave of Moravia 1411–1419)
* [[Author:Sigismund|Sigismund of Luxembourg]] (King of Bohemia 1419–1437, Margrave of Moravia 1419–1423)
* George of Poděbrady (King of Bohemia 1458–1471, Margrave of Moravia 1458–1469)
** {{EB1911 link|Poděbrad, George of}}
* Matthias Corvinus (Margrave of Moravia 1469–1490)
** {{CE link|Matthias Corvinus}}
* Ferdinand II (King of Bohemia 1617–1619 and 1620–1637, Margrave of Moravia 1619 and 1620–1637)
** {{CE link|Ferdinand II}}
* [[Portal:Francis Joseph I of Austria|Francis Joseph I of Austria]] (King of Bohemia 1848–1916)

===Relatives of rulers===
* Agnes of Bohemia aka Anežka Česká (c. 1211–1282), see [[#Agnes of Bohemia|below]]
* Anne of Bohemia (1366–1394)
** {{DNB link|Anne of Bohemia}}
* Hedvika of Bohemia (before 1199–?)
** [[A Dictionary of Saintly Women/Abdela|Abdela]] (sic) in [[A Dictionary of Saintly Women]] (1904)
* Mlada Přemyslovna  (930/935–994?)
**[[A Dictionary of Saintly Women/Mlada Bolesla|Mlada Bolesla]] (sic) in [[A Dictionary of Saintly Women]] (1904)
* John Parricida (1290–1312/13)
** {{EB1911 link|John of Swabia}}
* Přibyslava Česká (?–after 938)
**[[A Dictionary of Saintly Women/Przbislawa|Przbislawa]] (sic) in [[A Dictionary of Saintly Women]] (1904)

===Politicians and diplomats===
* [[Portal:Adolf Wilhelm Daniel von Auersperg|Adolf Auersperg]] (1821–1885)
* Richard von Belcredi (1823–1902)
** [[Men of the Time, eleventh edition/Belcredi, Count Richard|Belcredi, Count Richard]] by [[Author:Thompson Cooper|Thompson Cooper]] in [[Men of the Time, eleventh edition|''Men of the Time'']] (11th ed.), 1884.
* [[Author:Edvard Beneš|Edvard Beneš]] (1884–1948)
* [[Author:Vojta Beneš|Vojta Beneš]] (1878–1951)
* Leopold Berchtold (1863–1942)
** {{EB1922 link|Berchtold von und zu Ungarschitz, Leopold, Count}}
* [[Author:Thomas Čapek (1861-1950)|Thomas Čapek]] (1861–1950)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Císař|Jaroslav Císař]] (1894–1983)
* [[Author:Heinrich Clam-Martinic|Heinrich Clam-Martinic]] (1863–1932)
* [[Author:Ottokar Theobald Otto Maria Czernin von und zu Chudenitz|Ottokar Czernin]] (1872–1932)
* [[Author:Karel Domin|Karel Domin]] (1882–1953)
* [[Author:František Drtina|František Drtina]] (1861–1925)
* [[Author:Václav Havel|Václav Havel]] (1936–2011)
* [[Author:Jan Havlasa|Jan Havlasa]] (1883–1964)
* [[Author:Karel Havlíček Borovský|Karel Havlíček Borovský]] (1821–1856)
* [[Author:Augustine Herman|Augustine Herman]] (before 1621–1686)
* Josef Jireček (1825–1888), see [[#Josef Jireček|below]]
* Josef Konstantin Jireček (1854–1918), see [[#Josef Konstantin Jireček|below]]
* [[Author:Jan Kapras|Jan Kapras]] (1880–1947)
* [[Author:Karl I, Prince of Liechtenstein|Karl I, Prince of Liechtenstein]] (1569–1627)
* [[Author:Stanislav Václav Klíma|Stanislav Václav Klíma]] (1895–1965)
* [[Author:Václav Jaroslav Klofáč|Václav Jaroslav Klofáč]] (1868–1942)
* [[Author:Otto Kotouč|Otto Kotouč]]] (1885–1973)
* [[Author:Karel Kramář|Karel Kramář]] (1860–1937)
* [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]] (1849–1916)
* [[Author:Josef Svatopluk Machar|Josef Svatopluk Machar]] (1864–1942)
* [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk]] (1850–1937)
* [[Author:Alice Garrigue Masaryková|Alice Garrigue Masaryková]] (1879–1966)
* [[Author:Václav Vratislav z Mitrovic|Václav Vratislav z Mitrovic]] (1576–1635)
* [[Author:Vladimír Nosek|Vladimír Nosek]] (1895–1964)
* [[Author:František Palacký|František Palacký]] (1798–1876)
* [[Author:Charles Pergler|Charles Pergler]] (1882–1954)
* [[Author:František Peroutka|František Peroutka]] (1879–1962)
* Ernst von Plener
** {{EB1922 link|Plener, Ernst, Freiherr von}}
* [[Author:Karel Prášek|Karel Prášek]] (1868–1932)
* [[Author:Alois Rašín|Alois Rašín]] (1867–1923)
* [[Author:John Cardinal of Reinstein|John Cardinal of Reinstein]] (1375–15th century)
* [[Author:František Ladislav Rieger|František Ladislav Rieger]] (1818–1903)
* [[Author:Josef Eugen Scheiner|Josef Eugen Scheiner]] (1861–1932)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Schulz|Ferdinand Schulz]] (1835–1905)
* [[Author:Joseph B. Sindelar|Joseph B. Sindelar]] (1853–1931)
* [[Author:František Staněk|František Staněk]] (1867–1936)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Šťastný|Ferdinand Šťastný]] (1873–1957)
* [[Author:Bedřich Štěpánek|Bedřich Štěpánek]] (1884–1943)
* [[Author:Adolf Stránský|Adolf Stránský]] (1855–1931)
* [[Author:Jiří Stříbrný|Jiří Stříbrný]] (1880–1955)
* [[Author:Antonín Švehla|Antonín Švehla]] (1873–1933)
* [[Author:Lev Sychrava|Lev Sychrava]] (1887–1958)
* Eduard Taaffe (1833–1895)
** {{EB1911 link|Taaffe, Eduard Franz Joseph von, Count}}
* Leopold Thun-Hohenstein /1811–1888)
** {{CE link|Count Leo Thun-Hohenstein}}
* [[Author:Ladislav Urban|Ladislav Urban]] (1890–?)
* [[Author:Božena Viková-Kunětická|Božena Viková-Kunětická]] (1862–1934)
* [[Author:Karel Drahotín Villani|Karel Drahotín Villani]] (1818–1883)
* [[Author:Petr Zenkl|Petr Zenkl]] (1884–1975)

===Military leaders and other soldiers===
* Albrecht von Wallenstein aka Albrecht z Valdštejna (1583–1634)
** {{CE link|Albrecht von Wallenstein}}
* [[Author:Dimitrij Chaloupka|Dimitrij Chaloupka]] (1894–1969)
* [[Author:Joseph John Fekl|Joseph John Fekl]] (1883–1954)
* [[Author:Ludvík Fisher|Ludvík Fisher]] (1880–1945)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Hašek|Jaroslav Hašek]] (1883–1923)
* [[Author:Rudolf Medek|Rudolf Medek]] (1890–1940)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Písecký|Ferdinand Písecký]] aka Jiří Mařín (1879–1934)
* [[Author:Prokop the Great|Prokop the Great]] aka Prokop the Bald or Prokop Holý (c. 1380–1434)
* [[Author:Jan Šípek|Jan Šípek]] (1886–1953)
* [[Author:Josef Šrámek|Josef Šrámek]] (1892–1984)
* [[Author:Francis Joseph Swehla|Francis Joseph Swehla]] (1845–1921)
* [[Author:Jan Žižka|Jan Žižka]] (c. 1364–1424)

===Saints and blessed===
* [[Author:Adalbert of Prague|Adalbert of Prague]] aka Vojtěch (c. 956–997)
* {{anchor+|Agnes of Bohemia}} aka Anežka Česká (c. 1211–1282)
** {{CE link|Bl. Agnes of Bohemia}}
* Mlada Přemyslovna  (930/935–994?)
**[[A Dictionary of Saintly Women/Mlada Bolesla|Mlada Bolesla]] (sic) in [[A Dictionary of Saintly Women]] (1904)
* [[Portal:John of Nepomuk|John of Nepomuk]] aka John Nepomucene or Jan Nepomucký (1340s–1393)
* {{anchor+|John Nepomucene Neumann}} aka Jan Nepomucký Neumann (1811–1860)
** {{CE link|Ven. John Nepomucene Neumann}}
* John Sarkander (1576–1620)
** {{CE link|Bl. John Sarkander|link display=John Sarkander}}

===Clergy===
* [[Author:Adalbert of Prague|Adalbert of Prague]] aka Vojtěch (c. 956–997)
* Jan Augusta (1500–1572) 
** {{AmCyc link|Augusta, John}}
* Bohuslav Balbín (1621–1688), see [[#Bohuslav Balbín|below]]
* Antonín Brus (1518–1580)
** {{CE link|Anton Brus}}
* [[Author:John Bucka|John Bucka]] aka Jan Bucek, John the Iron or Jan Železný (14th century – 1430)
* [[Author:Havel Cahera|Havel Cahera]] (1500–1545)
* [[Author:John Cardinal of Reinstein|John Cardinal of Reinstein]] (1375–15th century)
* [[Author:Filip Čermák|Filip Čermák]] (1798–1877)
* [[Portal:Cosmas of Prague|Cosmas of Prague]] (c. 1045–1145)
* [[Portal:Prokop Diviš|Prokop Diviš]] (1698–1765)
* Josef Dobrovský (1753–1829), see [[#Josef Dobrovský|below]]
* [[Author:Joseph Drbal|Joseph Drbal]] (1874–1963)
* Beda Dudík (1815–1819), see [[#Beda Dudík|below]]
* [[Author:Francis Dvornik|Francis Dvornik]] (1893–1975)
* [[Author:Bohdan Anton Filipi|Bohdan Anton Filipi]] (1880–1952)
* [[Author:Anthony Folta|Anthony Folta]] (1884–1937)
* [[Author:Shmuel Horowitz|Shmuel Horowitz]] (1726–1778)
* {{Anchor|Jan Hus}}[[Author:Jan Hus|Jan Hus]] (1371–1415)
* [[Author:Boleslav Jablonský|Boleslav Jablonský]] (1813–1881)
* [[Author:Francis Wenceslaus Jedlička|Francis Wenceslaus Jedlička]] (1887–1950)
* [[Author:John G. Kissner|John G. Kissner]] (c.1866–1920)
* [[Author:Wenceslas Koranda|Wenceslas Koranda]] aka Václav Koranda (?–1453)
* [[Author:Josef Křenek|Josef Křenek]] (1885–1949)
* [[Author:Beneš Metod Kulda|Beneš Metod Kulda]] (1820–1903)
* Johann Lohel (1549–1622)
** {{CE link|Johann Lohel}}
* [[Author:Christian Mayer|Christian Mayer]] (1719–1783)
* [[Author:Gregor Johann Mendel|Gregor Johann Mendel]] (1822–1884)
* [[Portal:Jan Milíč z Kroměříže|Jan Milíč]] (c. 1325–1374)
* [[Portal:John of Nepomuk|John of Nepomuk]] aka John Nepomucene or Jan Nepomucký (1340s–1393)
* John Nepomucene Neumann (1811–1860), see [[#John Nepomucene Neumann|above]]
* [[Author:Nicholas of Nezero|Nicholas of Nezero]] aka Mikuláš (fl. 1400–1415)
* [[Author:Karel Zdislav Petlach|Karel Zdislav Petlach]] (1872–1953)
* [[Author:Vincent Písek|Vincent Písek]] (1859–1930)
* [[Author:Prokop the Great|Prokop the Great]] aka Prokop the Bald or Prokop Holý (c. 1380–1434)
* Sigismund Albicus (aka Zikmund Albík z Uničova) (c. 1360–1427)
**{{CE link|Sigismund Albicus}}
* Stanislav ze Znojma (1351–1414)
**[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3/Six Articles drawn out of the Treatise of John Huss, written against Stanislaus de Znoyma|Six Articles drawn out of the Treatise of John Huss, written against Stanislaus de Znoyma]], in ''[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe]]'', [[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3|vol. 3]], (1837)
* Štěpán z Pálče (c1365–c1423)
**[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3/Here follow seven Articles, said to be drawn out of the Treatise which John Huss wrote against Stephen Paletz|Here follow seven Articles, said to be drawn out of the Treatise which John Huss wrote against Stephen Paletz]], in ''[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe]]'', [[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3|vol. 3]], (1837)
* [[Author:František Vaňous|František Vaňous]] (1873–1915)
* [[Author:Karel Alois Vinařický|Karel Alois Vinařický]] (1803–1869)

===Other religious personalities===
* Pavel Kravař (aka Paul Crawar or Paul Craw) (1391–1433)
**[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3/Thomas Bagley, Priest; Paul Craw, a Bohemian, Martyr|Paul Craw, a Bohemian, Martyr]], in ''[[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe]]'', [[The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe/Volume 3|vol. 3]] (1837)
* [[Author:Petr z Mladoňovic|Petr z Mladoňovic]] (1390–1451)
* [[Portal:Peter Payne|Peter Payne]] aka Mistr Engliš (1380–1455)
* Johann Emanuel Veith (1787–1876) 
** {{CE link|Johann Emanuel Veith}}
* Friedrich Heinrich Vering (1883–1896)
**{{CE link|Friedrich Heinrich Vering}}

===Writers===
* [[Author:Ernst Altschul|Ernst Altschul]] (1864–?)
* [[Author:Jakub Arbes|Jakub Arbes]] (1840–1914)
* [[Author:Otakar Auředníček|Otakar Auředníček]] (1868–1947)
* [[Author:Petr Bezruč|Petr Bezruč]] (1867–1958)
* [[Author:Otokar Březina|Otokar Březina]] (1868–1929)
* [[Author:Josef Čapek|Josef Čapek]] (1887–1945)
* [[Author:Karel Čapek|Karel Čapek]] (1890–1938)
* [[Author:Karel Matěj Čapek-Chod|Karel Matěj Čapek-Chod]] (1860–1927)
* [[Author:Svatopluk Čech|Svatopluk Čech]] (1846–1908)
* [[Author:František Ladislav Čelakovský|František Ladislav Čelakovský]] (1799–1852)
* [[Author:Filip Čermák|Filip Čermák]] (1798–1877)
* [[Author:Adolf Černý|Adolf Černý]] (1864–1952)
* [[Author:Petr Chelčický|Petr Chelčický]] (1390–1460)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Císař|Jaroslav Císař]] (1894–1983)
* [[Author:Johan Amos Comenius|Johan Amos Comenius]] aka Jan Ámos Komenský (1592–1670)
* [[Author:Karel Jaromír Erben|Karel Jaromír Erben]] (1811–1870)
* [[Author:Otokar Fischer|Otokar Fischer]] (1883–1938)
* [[Author:František Gellner|František Gellner]] (1881–1914)
* [[Author:Roderick Aldrich Ginsburg|Roderick Aldrich Ginsburg]] (1899–1987)
* {{Anchor|Frances Gregor}}[[Author:Frances Gregor|Frances Gregor]] aka Františka Gregorová (1850–1901)
* {{Anchor|Václav Hanka}} [[Author:Václav Hanka|Václav Hanka]] (1791–1861)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Hašek|Jaroslav Hašek]] (1883–1923)
* [[Author:Bohuslav Hasištejnský z Lobkovic|Bohuslav Hasištejnský z Lobkovic]] (1461–1510)
* [[Author:Václav Havel|Václav Havel]] (1936–2011)
* [[Author:Elsie Havlasa|Elsie Havlasa]] (1891–1957)
* [[Author:Jan Havlasa|Jan Havlasa]] (1883–1964)
* [[Author:Karel Havlíček Borovský|Karel Havlíček Borovský]] (1821–1856)
* [[Author:Jan Herben|Jan Herben]] (1857–1936)
* [[Author:Ignát Herrmann|Ignát Herrmann]] (1854–1935)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Hilbert|Jaroslav Hilbert]] (1871–1936)
* [[Author:Boleslav Jablonský|Boleslav Jablonský]] (1813–1881)
* [[Author:Alois Jirásek|Alois Jirásek]] (1851–1930)
* [[Author:Josef Kalus|Josef Kalus]] (1855–1934)
* [[Author:Antonie Kendrick|Antonie Kendrick]] (1872–1955)
* [[Author:Jan Klecanda (1855-1920)|Jan Klecanda]] (1855–1920)
* [[Author:Stanislav Václav Klíma|Stanislav Václav Klíma]] (1895–1965)
* [[Author:Ján Kollár|Ján Kollár]] (1793–1852)
* [[Author:Flora Pauline Wilson Kopta|Flora Pauline Wilson Kopta]] (19th c.–1921)
* [[Author:Josef Košín z Radostova|Josef Košín z Radostova]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Josef Jiří Král|Josef Jiří Král]] (1870–1951)
* [[Author:František Kvapil|František Kvapil]] (1855–1925)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Kvapil|Jaroslav Kvapil]] (1855–1925)
* [[Author:Josef Linda|Josef Linda]] (1792–1834)
* [[Author:Simeon Karel Macháček|Simeon Karel Macháček]] (1799–1846)
* [[Author:Marie Majerová|Marie Majerová]] (1882–1967)
* [[Author:Tereza Mellanová|Tereza Mellanová]] (1863–1950)
* [[Author:Matěj Mikšíček|Matěj Mikšíček]] (1815–1892)
* [[Author:Václav Emanuel Mourek|Václav Emanuel Mourek]] (1846–1911)
* [[Author:Božena Němcová|Božena Němcová]] (1820–1862)
* [[Author:Jan Neruda|Jan Neruda]] (1834–1891)
* [[Author:Arne Novák|Arne Novák]] (1880–1939)
* [[Author:Author:Robert Lev Novák|Author:Robert Lev Novák]] (1894–1916)
* [[Author:Viktor Novák|Viktor Novák]] (1890–1959)
* [[Author:Fredy Perlman|Fredy Perlman]] (1934–1985)
* [[Author:Otto Pick|Otto Pick]] (1887–1940)
* [[Author:Václav Jaromír Picek|Václav Jaromír Picek]] (1812–1869)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Písecký|Ferdinand Písecký]] aka Jiří Mařín (1879–1934)
* [[Author:Milota Zdirad Polák|Milota Zdirad Polák]] (1788–1856)
* [[Author:Antonín Jaroslav Puchmajer|Antonín Jaroslav Puchmajer]] (1769–1820)
* [[Author:Václav Ráb|Václav Ráb]] (1804–1838)
* [[Author:Charles Recht|Charles Recht]] (1887–1965)
* [[Author:František Ladislav Rieger|František Ladislav Rieger]] (1818–1903)
* [[Author:Rainer Maria Rilke|Rainer Maria Rilke]] (1875–1926)
* [[Author:Karel Sabina|Karel Sabina]] (1813–1877)
* [[Author:František Xaver Šalda|František Xaver Šalda]] (1867–1937)
* [[Author:Libbie Breuer Scholten|Libbie Breuer Scholten]] (1890–1879)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Schulz|Ferdinand Schulz]] (1835–1905)
* [[Author:Alois Vojtěch Šmilovský|Alois Vojtěch Šmilovský]] (1837–1883)
* [[Author:Karel Sudimír Šnajdr|Karel Sudimír Šnajdr]] (1766–1835)
* [[Author:Antonín Sova|Antonín Sova]] (1864–1928)
* [[Author:Fráňa Šrámek|Fráňa Šrámek]] (1877–1952)
* [[Author:Josef Štýbr|Josef Štýbr]] (1864–1938)
* [[Author:František Adolf Šubert|František Adolf Šubert]] (1849–1915)
* [[Author:Růžena Svobodová|Růžena Svobodová]] (1868–1920)
* [[Author:Karolina Světlá|Karolina Světlá]] (1830–1899)
* [[Author:Otakar Theer|Otakar Theer]] (1880–1917)
* {{anchor+|Václav Tille|[[Author:Václav Tille|Václav Tille]]}} (1867–1937)
* [[Author:Karel Toman|Karel Toman]] (1877–1946)
* [[Author:František Turinský|František Turinský]] (1797–1852)
* [[Author:Josef Kajetán Tyl|Josef Kajetán Tyl]] (1808–1856)
* [[Author:František Vaňous|František Vaňous]] (1873–1915)
* [[Author:Božena Viková-Kunětická|Božena Viková-Kunětická]] (1862–1934)
* [[Author:Karel Drahotín Villani|Karel Drahotín Villani]] (1818–1883)
* [[Author:Karel Alois Vinařický|Karel Alois Vinařický]] (1803–1869)
* [[Author:Jan Vlk|Jan Vlk]] (1822–1896)
* [[Author:Jan Erazim Vocel|Jan Erazim Vocel]] (1802/1803–1871)
* [[Author:Ludmila Vojáčková-Wetché|Ludmila Vojáčková-Wetché]] (1872–1938)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Vrchlický|Jaroslav Vrchlický]] (1853–1912)
* [[Author:Josef Wünsch|Josef Wünsch]] (1842–1907)
* [[Author:Julius Zeyer|Julius Zeyer]] (1841–1901)

===Notaries===
* [[Author:Michael de Causis|Michael de Causis]] aka Michal z Brodu or Michal Súdný (c. 1380 – c. 1432)
* [[Author:Michal z Prachatic|Michal z Prachatic]] (fl. 1406)
* [[Author:Mikuláš Matějův z Brna|Mikuláš Matějův z Brna]] (fl. 1391–1411)
* [[Author:Petr z Mladoňovic|Petr z Mladoňovic]] (1390–1451)
* [[Author:Jakub Moleš|Jakub Moleš]] Iacobus Moless (fl. 1412–1429)
* [[Author:Jan Vlk|Jan Vlk]] (1822–1896)

===Publishers===
* [[Author:Guido Bruno|Guido Bruno]] (1884–1942)
* [[Author:Chval Dubánek|Chval Dubánek]] (active around 1520)
* [[Author:Hans Feller|Hans Feller]] (1842–1920) 
* [[Portal:Bedřich Kočí|Bedřich Kočí]] (1869–1955)
* [[Author:Emil F. Prantner|Emil F. Prantner]] (fl.1905–fl. 1942)
* [[Author:Jaroslav František Smetánka|Jaroslav František Smetánka]] (1881–1937)

===Journalists and newspaper editors===
* [[Author:Jakub Arbes|Jakub Arbes]] (1840–1914)
* [[Author:Henri Georges Stephane Adolphe Opper de Blowitz|Henri Blowitz]] aka Jindřich Opper (1825–1903)
* [[Author:Aleš Brož|Aleš Brož]] (1892–1952)
* [[Author:Karel Čapek|Karel Čapek]] (1890–1938)
* [[Author:Karel Matěj Čapek-Chod|Karel Matěj Čapek-Chod]] (1860–1927)
* [[Author:Thomas Čapek (1861-1950)|Thomas Čapek]] (1861–1950)
* [[Author:Jan Hajšman|Jan Hajšman]] (1882–1962)
* [[Author:Karel Havlíček Borovský|Karel Havlíček Borovský]] (1821–1856)
* [[Author:Karl Kautsky|Karl Kautsky]] (1854–1938)
* [[Author:Jan Klecanda (1855-1920)|Jan Klecanda]] (1855–1920)
* [[Author:Stanislav Václav Klíma|Stanislav Václav Klíma]] (1895–1965)
* [[Author:Václav Jaroslav Klofáč|Václav Jaroslav Klofáč]] (1868–1942)
* [[Author:Vlasta Charlotte Kozel|Vlasta Charlotte Kozel]] (1873–1901)
* [[Author:Josef Jiří Král|Josef Jiří Král]] (1870–1951)
* [[Author:Antonín Zikmund Kříž|Antonín Zikmund Kříž]] (1870–1923)
* [[Author:Marie Majerová|Marie Majerová]] (1882–1967)
* [[Author:Marie Makousky|Marie Makousky]] (1905–1955)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Victor Nigrin|Jaroslav Victor Nigrin]] (1882–1922)
* [[Author:Josef Novák|Josef Novák]] (1878–1932)
* [[Author:Anton Odvarka|Anton Odvarka]] (1866–1929)
* [[Author:Charles Pergler|Charles Pergler]] (1882–1954)
* [[Author:Václav Jaromír Picek|Václav Jaromír Picek]] (1812–1869)
* [[Author:Marie Rosická|Marie Rosická]] (1859–1912)
* [[Author:Rose Rosicky|Rose Rosicky]] (1875–1954)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan|Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan]] (1872–1944)
* [[Author:František Xaver Šalda|František Xaver Šalda]] (1867–1937)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Schulz|Ferdinand Schulz]] (1835–1905)
* [[Author:Frank Šindelář|Frank Šindelář]] (1861–1929)
* [[Author:Adolf Stráský|Adolf Stráský]] (1855–1931)
* [[Author:Jiří Stříbrný|Jiří Stříbrný]] (1880–1955)
* [[Author:František Adolf Šubert|František Adolf Šubert]] (1849–1915)
* [[Author:Lev Sychrava|Lev Sychrava]] (1887–1958)
* [[Author:Josef Tvrzický|Josef Tvrzický]] (1884–1920)

===Philosophers===
* [[Author:Bernard Bolzano|Bernard Bolzano]] (1781–1848)
* Anton Günther (1783–1863)
** {{CE link|Anton Günther}}
* [[Author:Jan Hus|Jan Hus]] (1371–1415)
* [[Author:Jerome of Prague|Jerome of Prague]] aka Jeroným Pražský (1378–1416)
* [[Author:Karl Kautsky|Karl Kautsky]] (1854–1938)
* [[Author:Ernst Mach|Ernst Mach]] (1838–1916)
* [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk]] (1850–1937)

===Historians===
* {{anchor+|Bohuslav Balbín}} (1621–1688)
** {{CE link|Boleslaus Balbinus}}
* [[Author:Aleš Chalupa|Aleš Chalupa]] (1924–1993)
* [[Portal:Cosmas of Prague|Cosmas of Prague]] (c. 1045–1145)
* Josef Dobrovský (1753–1829), see [[#Josef Dobrovský|below]]
* {{anchor+|Beda Dudík}} (1815–1819)
** {{CE link|Beda Franciscus Dudik}}
* [[Author:Francis Dvornik|Francis Dvornik]] (1893–1975)
* [[Author:Jan Emler|Jan Emler]] (1877–1951)
* Anton Gindely (aka Antonín Gindely) (1829–1892)
** {{EB1911 link|Gindely, Anton}}
* [[Author:Václav Hanka|Václav Hanka]] (1791–1861)
* [[Author:Josef Hanzal|Josef Hanzal]] (1934–2002)
* Konstantin von Höfler (1811–1897)
** {{CE link|Konstantin von Höfler}}
* [[Author:Jaroslava Hoffmannová|Jaroslava Hoffmannová]] (1942–)
* [[Author:Luboš Jeřábek|Luboš Jeřábek]] (1864–1937)
*  {{anchor+|Josef Konstantin Jireček}} (1854–1918)
** {{EB1911 link|Jireček, Konstantin Josef}}
* [[Author:Karel Kadlec|Karel Kadlec]] (1865–1928)
*[[Author:Josef Kalousek|Josef Kalousek]] (1838–1915)
* [[Author:Jan Kapras|Jan Kapras]] (1880–1947)
* [[Author:František Lützow|František Lützow]] (1849–1916)
* [[Author:Jan Hanuš Máchal|Jan Hanuš Máchal]] (1855–1939)
* [[Author:František Palacký|František Palacký]] (1798–1876)
* Anton Heinrich Springer (1825–1891)
** {{EB1911 link|Springer, Anton Heinrich}}
* [[Author:Alena Šubrtová|Alena Šubrtová]] (1935–)
* [[Author:Tomáš Svoboda|Tomáš Svoboda]] (1959– )
* [[Author:Jan Erazim Vocel|Jan Erazim Vocel]] (1802/1803–1871)

===Linguists===
* [[Author:Josef Baudiš|Josef Baudiš]] (1883–1933)
* {{anchor+|Josef Dobrovský}} (1753–1829)
** {{EB1911 link|Dobrowsky, Joseph}}
* [[Author:Václav Hanka|Václav Hanka]] (1791–1861)
* [[Author:Václav Vondrák|Václav Vondrák]] (1859–1925)
* [[Author:Josef Jungmann|Josef Jungmann]] (1766–1835)
* [[Author:Jan Hanuš Máchal|Jan Hanuš Máchal]] (1855–1939)
* [[Author:Pavel Jozef Šafárik|Pavel Jozef Šafárik]] (1766–1835)

===Educators===
* [[Author:Vojta Beneš|Vojta Beneš]] (1878–1951)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Blumentritt|Ferdinand Blumentritt]] (1853–1913)
* {{anchor|Johan Amos Comenius}}[[Author:Johan Amos Comenius|Johan Amos Comenius]] aka Jan Ámos Komenský (1592–1670)
* [[Author:František Drtina|František Drtina]] (1861–1925)
* [[Author:Frances Gregor|Frances Gregor]] (1850–1901)
* [[Author:Jan Hus|Jan Hus]] (1371–1415)
* [[Author:Jerome of Prague|Jerome of Prague]] aka Jeroným Pražský (1378–1416)
* [[Author:Karel Kadlec|Karel Kadlec]] (1865–1928)
* [[Author:Jan Kapras|Jan Kapras]] (1880–1947)
* [[Author:Jan Klecanda (1855-1920)|Jan Klecanda]] (1855–1920)
* [[Author:Josef Štefan Kubín|Josef Štefan Kubín]] (1864–1965)
* [[Author:Ernst Mach|Ernst Mach]] (1838–1916)
* [[Author:Simeon Karel Macháček|Simeon Karel Macháček]] (1799–1846)
* [[Author:Josef Svatopluk Machar|Josef Svatopluk Machar]] (1864–1942)
* [[Author:Marie Makousky|Marie Makousky]] (1905–1955)
* [[Author:Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk|Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk]] (1850–1937)
* [[Author:Alice Garrigue Masaryková|Alice Garrigue Masaryková]] (1879–1966)
* [[Author:Christian Mayer|Christian Mayer]] (1719–1783)
* [[Author:Tereza Mellanová|Tereza Mellanová]] (1863–1950)
* [[Author:Václav Emanuel Mourek|Václav Emanuel Mourek]] (1846–1911)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Victor Nigrin|Jaroslav Victor Nigrin]] (1882–1922)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Písecký|Ferdinand Písecký]] aka Jiří Mařín (1879–1934)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan|Jaroslav Egon Salaba-Vojan]] (1872–1944)
* [[Author:Libbie Breuer Scholten|Libbie Breuer Scholten]] (1890–1879)
* [[Author:Bohumil Shimek|Bohumil Shimek]] (1861–1937)
* [[Author:Václav Smetánka|Václav Smetánka]] (1886–20th c.)
* [[Author:Alois Vojtěch Šmilovský|Alois Vojtěch Šmilovský]] (1837–1883)
* {{Anchor+|William Spietschka}} (1841–1867)
**{{Notable South Australians link|William Spietschka}}
* [[Author:Karel Velemínský|Karel Velemínský]] (1880–1934)
* [[Author:Otakar Vočadlo|Otakar Vočadlo]] (1895–1974)
* [[Author:Václav Vondrák|Václav Vondrák]] (1859–1925)
* [[Author:Josef Wünsch|Josef Wünsch]] (1842–1907)
* [[Author:Petr Zenkl|Petr Zenkl]] (1884–1975)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Josef Zmrhal|Jaroslav Josef Zmrhal]] (1878–1951)

===Ethnographers===
* [[Author:Ferdinand Blumentritt|Ferdinand Blumentritt]] (1853–1913)
* [[Author:František Elpl|František Elpl]] (1870–1904)
* [[Author:Emil Holub|Emil Holub]] (1847–1902)
* {{anchor+|Josef Jireček}} (1825–1888)
** {{EB1911 link|Jireček, Josef}}
* [[Author:Jan Koula|Jan Koula]] (1855–1919)
* [[Author:Josef Štefan Kubín|Josef Štefan Kubín]] (1864–1965)
* [[Author:Beneš Metod Kulda|Beneš Metod Kulda]] (1820–1903)
* [[Author:Jan Hanuš Máchal|Jan Hanuš Máchal]] (1855–1939)

===Musicians and music composers===
* August Wilhelm Ambros (1816–1876)
** &quot;[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians/Ambros, August|Ambros, August]]&quot; in ''[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians]]'' (1900)
* Karel Bendl (1838–1897)
** {{EB1911 link|Bendl, Karel}}
* Jindřich Hanuš Böhm (1836–1916)
** {{DMM link|Boehm, Heinrich}}
* František Xaver Dušek (1731–1799)
** {{DMM link|Duschek, Franz}}
* [[Author:Antonín Dvořák|Antonín Dvořák]] (1841–1904)
* Jan Ladislav Dusík (aka Johann Ludwig Dussek, 1760–1812) 
** {{EB1911 link|Dussek, Johann Ludwig}}
* Johann von Kauka
** {{DMM link|Kauka, Johann von}}
* Jan Antonín Koželuh (1738–1814)
** {{DMM link|Koželuch, Johann Anton}}
* Leopold Koželuh (1738–1814)
** {{DMM link|Koželuch, Johann Anton#Leopold|link display=Koželuch, Leopold}}
* Antonín Kraft  (1747–1818)
** {{DMM link|Kraft, Anton}}
* Jan Kubelík (1880–1940)
** {{EB1911 link|Kubelik, Jan}}
* Josef Labický (1802–1881)
** &quot;[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians/Labitzky, Josef|Labitzky, Josef]]&quot; in ''[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians]]'' (1900)
* Václav Pichl (1741–1805)
** {{DMM link|Pichel, Wenzel}}
* David Popper (1843–1913)
** {{EB1911 link|Popper, David}}
* Václav Růžička (1757–1823)
** &quot;[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians/Ruzicka, Wenzel|Ruzicka, Wenzel]]&quot; in ''[[A Dictionary of Music and Musicians]]'' (1900)
* [[Author:František Jan Škroup|František Jan Škroup]] (1801–1862)
* [[Author:Bedřich Smetana|Bedřich Smetana]] (1824–1884)
* William Spietschka (1841–1867), see [[#William Spietschka|above]]
* [[Author:Ladislav Urban|Ladislav Urban]] (1890–?)
* [[Author:Ludmila Vojáčková-Wetché|Ludmila Vojáčková-Wetché]] (1872–1938)
* [[Author:Josef Leopold Zvonař|Josef Leopold Zvonař]] (1824–1865)

===Artists===
* [[Author:Mikoláš Aleš|Mikoláš Aleš]] (1852–1913)
* [[Author:František Bílek|František Bílek]] (1872–1941)
* [[Author:Josef Čapek|Josef Čapek]] (1887–1945)
* Jaroslav Čermák (1831–1878)
** {{NIE link|Czermak, Jaroslaw}}
* [[Author:Věnceslav Černý|Věnceslav Černý]] (1865–1936)
* [[Author:Ferdinand František Engelmüller|Ferdinand František Engelmüller]] (1867–1924)
* [[Author:Olga Folda Stepanek|Olga Folda Stepanek]] (1906–1998)
* [[Author:František Gellner|František Gellner]] (1881–1914)
* [[Author:Wenceslaus Hollar|Wenceslaus Hollar]] (1607–1677)
* [[Author:Václav Jansa|Václav Jansa]] (1859–1913)
* [[Author:Josef Jaroslav Král|Josef Jaroslav Král]] (1877–1914)
* [[Author:Jan Nepomuk Langhans|Jan Nepomuk Langhans]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Adolf Liebscher|Adolf Liebscher]] (1857–1919)
* [[Author:Karel Liebscher|Karel Liebscher]] (1851–1906)
* [[Author:Josef Mánes|Josef Mánes]] (1820–1871)
* [[Author:Jan Matulka|Jan Matulka]] (1890–1972)
* [[Author:Alfons Marie Mucha|Alfons Marie Mucha]] (1860–1939)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Panuška|Jaroslav Panuška]] (1872–1958)
* [[Author:Vojtěch Preissig|Vojtěch Preissig]] (1873–1944)
* [[Author:Aegidius Sadeler|Aegidius Sadeler]] (1570–1629)
* [[Author:Ladislav Jan Šaloun|Ladislav Jan Šaloun]] (1870–1946)
* [[Author:Artuš Scheiner|Artuš Scheiner]] (1863–1938)
* [[Author:Jaroslav Šetelík|Jaroslav Šetelík]] (1881–1955)
* [[Author:Emanuel Staněk|Emanuel Staněk]] (1862–1920)
* [[Author:Joža Uprka|Joža Uprka]] (1861–1940)
* [[Author:Otakar Valasek|Otakar Valasek]] (1884–1954)
* [[Author:Jan Vilímek|Jan Vilímek]] (1860–1938)
* [[Author:John Charles Vondrouš|Jan Karel Vondrouš]] (1884–1970)

===Architects===
* [[Author:Jan Koula|Jan Koula]] (1855–1919)

===Lawyers===
* [[Author:Otakar Auředníček|Otakar Auředníček]] (1868–1947)
* [[Author:Thomas Čapek (1861-1950)|Thomas Čapek]] (1861–1950)
* [[Author:Thomas Čapek (1895-1987)|Thomas Čapek]] (1895–1987)
* [[Author:John Cardinal of Reinstein|John Cardinal of Reinstein]] (1375–15th century)
* [[Author:Karel Kadlec|Karel Kadlec]] (1865–1928)
* [[Author:Jan Kapras|Jan Kapras]] (1880–1947)
* [[Author:Josef Košín z Radostova|Josef Košín z Radostova]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Václav Jaromír Picek|Václav Jaromír Picek]] (1812–1869)
* [[Author:Charles Recht|Charles Recht]] (1887–1965)
* [[Author:Josef Eugen Scheiner|Josef Eugen Scheiner]] (1861–1932)
* [[Author:Lev Sychrava|Lev Sychrava]] (1887–1958)
* [[Author:Jan Vlk|Jan Vlk]] (1822–1896)

===Economists and businesspeople===
* Siegfried Becher (1806–1873)
** {{Americana link|Becher, Siegfried}}
* [[Author:Frank Čejda|Frank Čejda]] (1862–1932)
* [[Author:Emil Folda|Emil Folda]] (1866–1935)
* [[Author:Joseph John Fekl|Joseph John Fekl]] (1883–1954)
* [[Author:Otto Kotouč|Otto Kotouč]] (1885–1973)
* [[Author:Joseph M. Mundil|Joseph M. Mundil]] (1856–1945)
* [[Author:Alois Rašín|Alois Rašín]] (1867–1923)
* [[Author:Joseph B. Sindelar|Joseph B. Sindelar]] (1853–1931)
* [[Author:Josef Soukup|Josef Soukup]] (fl. 1919–1922)
* [[Author:Rafael D. Szalatnay|Rafael D. Szalatnay]] (1884–20th c.)

===Biologists and physicians===
* [[Author:Ladislav Josef Čelakovský|Ladislav Josef Čelakovský]] (1834–1902)
* [[Author:August Carl Joseph Corda|August Carl Joseph Corda]] (1809–1849)
* [[Author:Johann Nepomuk Czermak|Johann Nepomuk Czermak]] (1828–1873)
* [[Author:Karel Domin|Karel Domin]] (1882–1953)
* [[Author:Emil Holub|Emil Holub]] (1847–1902)
* [[Author:Aleš Hrdlička|Aleš Hrdlička]] (1869–1943)
* [[Author:Gregor Johann Mendel|Gregor Johann Mendel]] (1822–1884)
* [[Author:Karel Bořivoj Presl|Karel Bořivoj Presl]] (1794–1852)
* [[Author:Bohumil Shimek|Bohumil Shimek]] (1861–1937)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Stoliczka|Ferdinand Stoliczka]] (1838–1874)
* [[Author:Josef Štýbr|Josef Štýbr]] (1864–1938)

===Physicists===
* Vincenc Dvořák (1848–1922)
** {{PSM link|Professor Dvorak's Sound-Mills|25|June 1884}}
* [[Author:Ernst Mach|Ernst Mach]] (1838–1916)
* [[Author:Jiří Vackář|Jiří Vackář]] (born 1961)

===Astronomers===
* [[Author:Jaroslav Císař|Jaroslav Císař]] (1894–1983)
* {{Anchor+|[[Author:Christian Mayer|Christian Mayer]]}} (1719–1783)

===Geologists and paleontologists===
* August Emanuel Rudolph von Reuss (1811–873)
**{{EB1911 link|Reuss, August Emanuel von}}
* [[Author:Ferdinand Stoliczka|Ferdinand Stoliczka]] (1838–1874)

===Engineers and inventors===
* [[Portal:Prokop Diviš|Prokop Diviš]] (1698–1765)
* [[Author:Michal Kirschner|Michal Kirschner]] (born 1960)
* [[Author:Tomas Svitek|Tomas Svitek]] (born 1962)

===Explorers===
* [[Author:Augustine Herman|Augustine Herman]] (before 1621–1686)
* [[Author:Emil Holub|Emil Holub]] (1847–1902)
* [[Author:Josef Wünsch|Josef Wünsch]] (1842–1907)

===Sportspeople===
* [[Author:Josef Eugen Scheiner|Josef Eugen Scheiner]] (1861–1932)
* John Siman (1870–1917)
** {{CR link|John Siman dead|1|2}}

===Farmers===
* [[Author:Vladislav Bouček|Vladislav Bouček]] (1860–?)
* [[Author:Frank Čejda|Frank Čejda]] (1862–1932)
* [[Author:Vít Hanzliček|Vít Hanzliček]] (1863–1948)
* [[Author:Emilie Rose Jonas|Emilie Rose Jonas]] (1877–1940)
* [[Author:Joseph Satran|Joseph Satran]] (1851–1916)
* [[Author:Joseph B. Sindelar|Joseph B. Sindelar]] (1853–1931)
* [[Author:Joseph Sudik|Joseph Sudik]] (1859–1943)
* [[Author:Antonín Švehla|Antonín Švehla]] (1873–1933)
* [[Author:Francis Joseph Swehla|Francis Joseph Swehla]] (1845–1921)

===Others===
* [[Author:Jiří Bárta|Jiří Bárta]] (fl. 1979– )
* [[Author:Josef Brož|Josef Brož]] (1844–1930)
* [[Author:K. Burda|K. Burda]] (fl. 1906)
* [[Author:John of Chlum|John of Chlum]] (14th–15th century)
* [[Author:Eduard Hlawaczek|Eduard Hlawaczek]] (1808–1879) 
* [[Author:Rose Marie Humpal|Rose Marie Humpal]] (1876–1946)
* [[Author:Magdalena Kučera|Magdalena Kučera]] (c.1864–1948)
* [[Author:Olga Garrigue Masaryková-Revilliodová|Olga Garrigue Masaryková-Revilliodová]] (1891–1978)
* [[Author:Nan Mashek|Nan Mashek]] (fl. 1904)
* [[Author:Beatrice Machula Mekota|Beatrice Machula Mekota]] (1881–1922)
* [[Author:Olga Svejkovská|Olga Svejkovská]] (1923–?)
* [[Author:Marie Svoboda|Marie Svoboda]] (1868–1936)
* [[Author:Vlasta Adele Vraz|Vlasta Adele Vraz]] (1900–1989)
* [[Author:A. Wildmann|A. Wildmann]] (fl. 1906)

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      <text bytes="2842" sha1="o9gh3tqdsk8i1ndo980prztwlnfmfvo" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Ltbdl&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{fine|'''Declassified''' per [[Executive_Order_13526#sect3.3|Executive Order 13526, Section 3.3]]&lt;br&gt;NND Project Number: NND 63316. By: NWD Date: 2011}} {{dhr}} {{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}} {{dhr}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;already under Diem's personal direction, would be responsible on all emergency matters to the reinforced III Corps Headquarters (to be called the Combined Headquarters), but continue as before with respect to routine administration.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|39}}

Thompson presented this Delta plan as a program of wide potential:

{{quote|…It should lead by stages to a reorganization of the government machinery for directing and coordinating all action against the communists and to the production of an {{u|overall strategic operational plan for the country as a whole}} defining responsibilities, tasks and priorities. At the same time it will lead to the establishment of a static security framework which can be developed eventually into a National Police force into which can be incorporated a single security intelligence organization for the direction and coordination of all intelligence activities against the communists. I agree with Your Excellency that it would be too disruptive at the present moment to try to achieve these immediately and that they should be developed gradually. Using a medical analogy, the remedy should be clinical rather than surgical.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|40}} }}

III. {{u|DEVELOPING A CONSENSUS AMONG THE ADVISORS}}

{{gap}}A. {{u|Initial Reaction of U.S. Military Advisors}}

It is not difficult to imagine the shocked reaction to Thompson's proposals, especially in U.S. military circles. In fact, one need not imagine them; General McGarr has recorded a detailed rejoinder to Thompson's proposals. He was, to begin with, upset about the lack of prior coordination:

{{quote|Following Mr, Thompson's medical analogy…we have the case of a doctor called in for consultation on a clinical case, actually performing an amputation without consulting the resident physician -- and without being required to assume the overall responsibility for the patient.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|41}} }}

General McGarr's unhappiness with Thompson was not simply a case of injured feelings. He had four related categories of disagreements with the plan proposed by the British Advisory Mission. First, Thompson's recommended command arrangements, if adopted, would demolish the prospect of a unitary chain of command within ARVN, an objective toward which McGarr had been working for over a year. Additionally, the Thompson proposals would leave Diem as the ultimate manager of an operation dealing with only a portion (the Delta) of RVN. The elimination of practices such as this had been an explicit objective of the entire U.S. advisory effort for a long time.
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      <text bytes="3519" sha1="lmtgr9m816vokwqry34mo4vekqt2h0q" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Ltbdl&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{fine|'''Declassified''' per [[Executive_Order_13526#sect3.3|Executive Order 13526, Section 3.3]]&lt;br&gt;NND Project Number: NND 63316. By: NWD Date: 2011}} {{dhr}} {{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}} {{dhr}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Second, the proposed priority in the Delta clashed with McGarr's priorities which placed War Zone D first, the area around Saigon second, and the Delta third. There was a lack of unanimity among the U.S. advisors about the relative importance of the War Zone D operation but the military, in particular, were looking for an important operation to help the (hopefully) revitalized ARVN demonstrate its offensive spirit and mobile capabilities. This desire gave rise to the third and fourth objections -- or fears.

The &quot;static security framework&quot; in the villages to which Thompson referred struck General McGarr as an unwarranted downgrading of the need for a sizeable conventional military force to play an important role in pacification. Thompson's stated desire to emphasize police forces in lieu of regular military forces was regarded by the U.S. military advisory chief as unrealistic -- a transferral of Malayan experience to a locale in which the existing tools of policy were very different.

Related to this objection was a final set of disagreements. Thompson had wanted to go slowly and to let a new GVN organization grow from the effort. The U.S. military advisory chief also wanted to go slowly -- but not {{u|that}} slowly. Not only would the Viet Cong not wait, it was simply unsound policy not to use the tools at hand. It would not do to reduce the ARVN and increase police forces while the VC continued {{SIC|thier|their}} successes. It was necessary, in sum, to act in a limited area but to act quickly. Thompson's recommendations did not look to quick action, emphasized the wrong area, were designed to emphasize the wrong operational agency, and proposed unacceptable command lines.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|42}}

It is important to note that in spite of these explicit disagreements there were broad areas of apparent agreement between Thompson and his U.S. counterparts. ({{u|Apparent}}, because the &quot;areas of agreement&quot; concealed differences, too.) The U.S. MAAG was amenable to the development of strategic hamlets, General McGarr claimed.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|43}} Indeed, MAAG's long, diffuse doctrinal &quot;handbook&quot; for advisors in the field did devote three pages -- without any particular emphasis -- to the &quot;secure village concept.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|44}} MAAG did not stress the centrality of strategic hamlets {{u|per}} {{u|se}}, but neither did Thompson. Strategic hamlets were to Thompson a way station enroute to his real objective -- winning the loyalty of the rural peasants. This was apparently compatible with the sequential steps to {{SIC|pacitication|pacification}} outlined in MAAG's own Geographically Phased Counterinsurgency Plan. If the competing approaches of the U.S. and British advisors had not been made compatible, there was, at least, some agreed ground from which to launch the effort to make them compatible.

{{gap}}B. {{u|Reactions in Washington}}

That such ground existed was fortunate, for Thompson's evolutionary plan was not only finding a warm reception at the Presidential Palace, it was also winning an attentive ear in Washington. As already mentioned, Thompson talked with General Taylor during the latter's October 1961 mission to Saigon and provided Taylor a copy of the initial British &quot;appreciation.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||13|{{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="3702" sha1="aul8wjpr828y0dstzt0bgf6q13rgv76" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Ltbdl&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{fine|'''Declassified''' per [[Executive_Order_13526#sect3.3|Executive Order 13526, Section 3.3]]&lt;br&gt;NND Project Number: NND 63316. By: NWD Date: 2011}} {{dhr}} {{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}} {{dhr}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Copies of the Thompson memorandum on the Delta were also forwarded to Taylor at the latter's request.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|45}} Then in January 1962, Thompson, again responding to Taylor's request, sent the latter a long letter outlining his views. In less than a month. General Taylor could present to President Kennedy a plan entitled &quot;A Strategic Concept for South Vietnam&quot; by Roger Hilsman which was an unabashed restatement of most of Thompson's major points and toward which President Kennedy had, not incidentally, already expressed a favorable disposition.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|46}}

Hilsman's &quot;strategic concept&quot; avowedly flowed from three basic principles: that the problem in Vietnam presented by the VC was political rather than military in its essence; that an effective counterinsurgency plan must provide the people and villages with protection and physical security; and that counter guerrilla forces must adopt the same tactics as those used by the guerrilla himself.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|47}}

To translate these principles into operational reality, Hilsman called for &quot;strategic villages&quot; and &quot;defended villages&quot; à la Thompson, with first priority to the most populous areas; i.e., the Delta and in the vicinity of Hue.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|48}} ARVN would, much as in Thompson's proposal, secure the initial effort, when necessary, and be employed to keep the VC off balance in those areas already under Viet Cong control. The plan envisaged a three-phase process by which GVN control would progressively be expanded from the least heavily VC-penetrated provinces with large populations (phase I), into the more heavily penetrated population centers (phase II), and finally into the areas along the Laotian and Cambodian borders (phase III).{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|49}} Hilsman eschewed use of the &quot;oil spot&quot; analogy but the process and rationale he put forth were the same. His plan moved &quot;strategic villages&quot; to a place of prominence greater than that in Thompson's Delta plan and far in excess of the offhanded acceptance which had thus far been afforded them by U.S. military advisors. Strategic hamlets were not the {{u|heart}} of the Hilsman plan -- civic action was that -- but they were the {{u|symbol}}, the easily recognizable, easily grasped initial step by which GVN could begin, following Hilsman's second principle, to &quot;provide the people and the villages with protection and physical security.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|50}}

{{gap}}C. {{u|The Advisors Reach Agreement}}

Thompson's basic ideas were gaining wide dissemination at the highest level within the U.S. government in early 1962. What of his relations with the U.S. MAAG in Saigon? These had been significantly improved as the result of a meeting between Thompson, Ambassador Nolting, and British Ambassador Hohler. Thompson agreed to revise his paper so as to remove the objection to his proposed command arrangements. Ambassador Nolting reported that Thompson was now working &quot;closely and amicably&quot; with MAAG.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|51}} This took care of one of McGarr's objections. Thompson had apparently decided, too, to allow the issue to drop for the time being of police primacy in pacification {{u|vis-à-vis}} ARVN. It was not, after all, a change that could be made quickly; President Diem was convinced that some start was needed to save his administration. That had been his reason, after all, in reluctantly inviting increased American participation in the war.
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      <text bytes="3136" sha1="gir1poj6i0k321r9pnodq3anhqtum5s" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Ltbdl&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{fine|'''Declassified''' per [[Executive_Order_13526#sect3.3|Executive Order 13526, Section 3.3]]&lt;br&gt;NND Project Number: NND 63316. By: NWD Date: 2011}} {{dhr}} {{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}} {{dhr}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Secretary McNamara played an important role in disposing of still another issue in dispute -- that of where to begin. In mid-December 1961, after President Kennedy had decided to adopt essentially all of General Taylor's November recommendations except the introduction of major U.S. forces into Vietnam, Secretary McNamara met in Honolulu with the U.S. principals in Vietnam to discuss future plans. A central question was that of what could be done in the short term future. The Secretary of Defense made it clear that RVN had &quot;number one priority.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|52}} McNamara urged concentration on one province: &quot;I'll guarantee it [the money and equipment] provided you have a plan based on one province. Take one place, sweep it and hold it in a plan.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|53}} Or, put another way, let us demonstrate that in some place, in some way, we can achieve demonstrable gains.

General McGarr, immediately upon his return to Saigon, wrote to Secretary Thuan and passed on this proposal:

{{quote|I would like to suggest that you may wish to set aside one specific area, say a province, and use it as a &quot;test area,&quot; in establishing this type &quot;pacification infrastructure.&quot; My thinking is that all the various elements of this anti-VC groundwork be designated immediately by your government and trained as a team or teams for the actual reoccupation and holding of the designated communist infiltrated area when it has been cleared by RVNAF military action.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|54}} }}

Such teams would embrace, McGarr suggested, police, intelligence, financial, psychological, agricultural, medical, civic action, and civil political functions.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|55}}


IV. {{u|THE ADVISORS &quot;SELL&quot; DIEM (OR VICE-VERSA)}}

{{gap}}A. {{u|Where to Begin?}}

GVN did indeed have a province in mind. It was not a Delta province, however. Nor was it a province relatively secure from VC infiltration. Quite to the contrary, Binh Duong Province, extending north and northwest of Saigon, had been heavily infiltrated. Its main communications axis (National Highway 13, extending northward from Saigon into Cambodia) sliced directly between War Zone D and War Zone C. The province was crossed by important routes of communications, liaison, and supply between two {{SIC|insurgen|insurgent}} redoubts. Hardly the logical place to begin, one might say, but &quot;logic&quot; was being driven by events and desires more than by abstract reasoning.

One desire was the widely held wish to do something concrete and productive as a symbol of U.S. determination and GVN vitality. Another desire was GVN's wish to commit the Americans to support of Diem's government on terms which would be {{u|in fact}} acceptable to that government and would -- equally important -- {{u|appear}} to be U.S. support for GVN-initiated actions. If one were Vietnamese one might reason that Binh Duong was an&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||15|{{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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GVN had initiated, in August 1961, a &quot;Rural Reconstruction Campaign&quot; in the Eastern Region of South Vietnam to secure the provinces of Tay Ninh, Binh Duong, and Phuoc Tuy.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|56}} Most of the effort prior to December 1961 had been concentrated in the Cu Chi District of Binh Duong. Xom Hue Hamlet of Tan An Hoi was, during December, in the process of being fortified as a strategic hamlet.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|57}} General McGarr was under the impression that &quot;considerable progress&quot; had already been made in these three provinces in the establishment of the GVN village level activities so necessary to winning popular support.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|58}}

In mid-January General McGarr met (just prior to his departure for Honolulu) with President Diem and Secretary Thuan to discuss pacification plans. As McGarr told Secretary McNamara, Diem stressed that the MAAG-endorsed military operation in War Zone D might merely close the string on an empty bag. Such a failure would be detrimental to ARVN morale. Besides, the President observed echoing Thompson, &quot;sweeps&quot; solved nothing; the problem was to hold an area and to separate the VC from the rest of the populace. Diem preferred a concentrated effort in Binh Duong, a heavily infiltrated province, close to Saigon, of great strategic importance, and in which only 10 of 46 villages were under GVN control -- but in which the groundwork for a sound government infrastructure had already been laid.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|59}}

The discussions at the Secretary of Defense's Conference in Honolulu turned on whether or not the War Zone D operation offered more hope for a concrete gain than a &quot;single province&quot; pacification scheme. McNamara concluded that it did not. General McGarr dissented mildly from the selection of Binh Duong. He would have favored Phuoc Tuy (where U.S. troops were scheduled to land {{u|if}} a decision were ever made to commit them). But Binh Duong was GVN's plan and the &quot;limited partners&quot; finally agreed to back Diem's preferred attempt.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|60}} Thus, the U.S. came to a roundabout decision to support as a &quot;test&quot; of what would later be called the &quot;strategic hamlet program&quot; an operation about whose details they knew little, in an area that all recognized to be difficult, because it allegedly represented a long-sought example of GVN initiative in planning and civil-military preparation. Much of the public image of the strategic hamlet program was to be established by this operation, as it turned out. Its name was &quot;Operation Sunrise.&quot; But it was not -- U.S. desires to the contrary -- the only strategic hamlet effort to be carried forward during this period. It was only one of several -- and several grew very quickly into many.

{{gap}}B. {{u|Concurrent GVN Activity}}

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Nhu was the real driving force behind GVN's uneven but discernible movement toward adoption of the strategic hamlet theme as a unifying concept in its pacification efforts. In the early period under discussion he masked his central role, however. He was not announced as the Chairman of the IMCSH (nobody was), but the committee was responsible to him.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|63}} He did not, however, lead it actively. As two American observers remarked at the time, &quot;Nhu seems to have consulted the committee seldom and to have shared his policy-making power with it even less frequently.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|64}}

{{gap}}C. {{u|Early Signs of GVN Expectations}}

But although brother Nhu was behind the scenes in late 1961 and early 1962, an occasional fleeting glimpse of his thinking and the direction in which he was heading has still managed to show through. A CIA report from Saigon summarized Nhu's instructions to a dozen province chiefs from the Delta in a meeting held on l4 December 1961. Primary emphasis was to be placed on the strategic hamlet program, Nhu said, and this program was to be coupled with a &quot;social revolution&quot; against &quot;Viet-Nam's three enemies: divisive forces, low standard of living, and communism.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|65}} The CIA Task Force - Vietnam observed, in forwarding this report, that Nhu's &quot;social revolution and strategic hamlets appear to be fuzzy concepts with little value in the fight against the Communists.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|66}}

No doubt these concepts seemed fuzzy at the end of 1961. But within another twelve months, as events would prove, they would be widely recognized as the twin spearheads of GVN's counterinsurgent effort, fuzzy or not. The strategic hamlet program would have broad support within the U.S. government and financial resources to underpin that support. The &quot;social revolution&quot; to which Nhu referred in December 1961 would be surfaced as Diem's &quot;personalism&quot; drive. The important thing for the present analysis is that all of the expectations of the several participant groups -- both U.S. and GVN -- were identifiable by very early 1962 at the latest, and that the concept of the strategic hamlet program in the broad sense had been fully adumbrated. The skeleton -- the rationale -- was complete; the body -- operational programs -- had not yet taken form. Each group could, however, work toward construction of a slightly different body (and for differing reasons) and claim with some plausibility to be working from the same skeleton.
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Three somewhat different views may be categorized which are of interest to the present inquiry: those of the U.S. military advisors, of the U.S. political leadership, and of the Diem government's leaders. Such generalizations are admittedly risky and easily overdrawn; there were, of course, differences between the perceptions and expectations of, say, the U.S. military advisors. For example, those farthest from Saigon tended to be less patient -- with Diem and in expecting results -- than were those closer to the area of operations. Still, discernible differences of outlook and expectations may be said to represent the prevailing views in each of these three groups.

{{gap}}A. {{u|U.S. Military Advisors}}

The U.S. military advisors mistrusted arguments which stressed the Vietnamese struggle as essentially political rather than military. They were quite willing to concede that the struggle was multi-dimensional but they feared instinctively any line of reasoning which might appear to argue that military considerations were relatively unimportant in Vietnam. So, too, they were wary of schemes which might lead ARVN to perpetuate its defensive tactical stance. Both dangers were present in the strategic hamlet program. The same military advisors were more forceful than others in stressing the need for the Diem regime to rationalize its command arrangements and to plan comprehensively and in detail from the highest to lowest levels. Their operational interest concentrated on making ARVN not just more mobile but more aggressive. Their creed, developed through years of experience and training (or vicarious experience) was to &quot;close with and destroy the enemy.&quot; One could expect them, then, to be more than willing to turn over the job of static defense to the CDC and CG at the earliest opportunity, to keep a weather eye out for opportunities to engage major VC formations in decisive battle, and to chafe under the painfully slow evolutionary process which was implicit even in their own 1961 geographically phased plan.

{{gap}}B. {{u|U.S. Political Leadership}}

The U.S. political leadership, and to varying degrees the leaders in the Saigon Embassy and in USOM, were more attuned to the political problems -- both with respect to GVN-U.S. relations and to the problem of winning broad support among the Vietnamese for the Diem administration. This made members of this group inherently more sympathetic to proposals such as the Thompson plan for the Delta than they were, for instance, to increasing ARVN's size and capabilities. They found compelling the logic of analyses such as Hilsman's which cut to the political root rather than treating only the military symptoms. One suspects -- though documentation would never be found to support it -- that they were attracted by an argument which did suggest some hope for &quot;demilitarizing&quot; the war, de-emphasizing U.S. operational participation, and increasing GVN's ability to solve its own internal problems using primarily its own human resources.
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Ngo Dinh Diem's perspective and expectations were the most different of all. U,S. groups differed in {{SIC|dregre|degree}}; Diem's expectations were different in kind. He wanted, first of all, to obtain unequivocal U.S. support, not just to his nation but to his administration. It was essential, in his eyes, that this support not compromise his authority or Vietnamese sovereignty. He did not want to give credence to communist claims that he was a puppet of the U.S., on one hand, or concentrate the coercive instruments of power in the hand of potential antagonists, on the other.

A revealing assessment of Diem's frame of mind is provided by Ambassador Nolting. Diem invited increased U.S. aid and U.S. participation because he feared that, especially with an impending settlement in Laos, South Vietnam would come under increasing communist pressures.  If Diem's government could not win over these pressures -- and Diem feared it could not -- it had only the choice of going down fighting or of being overthrown by a coup. Thus, in requesting additional U.S. help, Diem had &quot;adopted an expedient which runs against his own convictions, and he is apparently willing to accept the attendant diminution of his own stature as an independent and self-reliant national leader.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|67}}

But when Ambassador Nolting presented to Diem the U.S. {{u|quid}} {{u|pro}} {{u|quo}} for its &quot;limited partnership,&quot; this apparent acceptance of decreased stature and independence suddenly seemed less apparent.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|68}} Then, as Nolting reported, President Diem feared the reaction even among his own cabinet aides.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|69}} Secretary Thuan, in whom Diem did confide, said that the President was brooding over the fact that the U.S. was asking great concessions of GVN in the realm of its sovereignty in exchange for little additional help.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|70}} Diem argued that U.S. influence over his government, once it was known, would play directly into the communists' hands. The first priority task, he added, was to give the people security, not to make the government more popular. To try it the other way around was to place the cart before the horse.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|71}}

Diem saw himself caught in a dilemma in which he was doomed if he did not get outside assistance and doomed if he got it only at the price of surrendering his independence. To him the trick was to get the U.S. committed without surrendering his independence. One possible solution lay in getting U.S. material aid for a program that would be almost wholly GVN-implemented. The strategic hamlet program offered a convenient vehicle for this purpose and one which was also appealing for other reasons. It put achieving security before winning loyalty -- in an operational context in which it was difficult to differentiate between {{u|security}} {{u|for}} the rural populace and {{u|control}} {{u|of}} that populace, since many of the actions to achieve one were almost identical to the acts to realize the other.

{{gap}}D. {{u|The Central Issue}}

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{{quote|In my completely considered view . . . Diem will not reform either administratively or politically in any effective way. That is because he cannot. It is politically naive to expect it. He senses that he cannot let power go because he would be thrown out.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|72}} }}

The U.S. decided that Diem could make meaningful reforms and that he would do so -- or at least it decided that it was likely enough that he would do so and that support for his administration constituted the best available policy alternative.

{{gap}}E. {{u|The Problem of Assessment}}

The differences in perspectives and expectations outlined above are important in their own right. They loom even larger, however, when one considers the difficulty of assessing progress in the program about to be undertaken. These groups were about to embark upon a long, arduous joint voyage. Their only chart had never been to sea. This was the newly-articulated and imperfectly understood doctrine of counterinsurgency which stressed the interaction and interdependence of political, military, social, and psychological factors. It posited the necessity for certain actions to follow immediately and {{u|successfully}} behind others in order for the process of pacification to succeed. Above all -- and this point cannot be overstressed -- while this doctrine recognized the need for both the carrot and the stick (for coercive control and appealing programs) it made gaining broad popular acceptance the single ultimate criterion of success. Neither kill ratios nor construction rates nor the frequency of incidents was conclusive, yet these were all indicators applicable to phases within the larger process. The gains of doing well in one phase, however, could be wiped out by inactivity or mistakes in a subsequent phase. It was, in short, very difficult to know how well one was doing until one was done.

VI. {{u|THE NATIONAL PLAN EMERGES}}

{{gap}}A. {{u|Awareness of the Unifying Potential}}

Before examining the quality of execution of the operational programs for which some detailed record is available it will be useful to outline the process by which the strategic hamlet program became -- by late 1962 -- a comprehensive national program embodying the major effort of GVN in pacification.

&quot;Operation Sunrise&quot; in Binh Duong Province was launched on 22 March 1962 in what was initially called the &quot;Ben Cat Project.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|73}} The Delta project, however, languished in a &quot;planning stage&quot; until May, when it first became known that Diem was considering incorporating it into the Strategic Hamlet Program.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|74}} By August the IMCSH proposed a priority plan for the construction of strategic hamlets on a nation-wide basis.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||20|{{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{quote|The importance of the strategic hamlets goes beyond the concept of hamlet self defense. They are a means to institute basic democracy in Vietnam. Through the Strategic Hamlet Program, the government intends to give back to the hamlet the right of self-government with its own charter and system of community law. This will realize the ideas of the constitution on a local scale which the people can understand.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|78}} }}

By this time, too, influential American circles regarded the Strategic Hamlet Program as the shorthand designation for a process which represented a sensible and sound GVN effort. Roger Hilsman had said so in February to President Kennedy, and found the latter highly receptive. He continued to say so.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|79}} As he advised Assistant Secretary of State Averell Harriman in late 1962, &quot;The government of Vietnam has finally developed, and is now acting upon, an effective strategic concept.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|80}} Even so lukewarm an enthusiast as the CJCS, General Lyman L. Lemnitzer could report that &quot; . . . the Strategic Hamlet Program promises solid benefits, and may well be the vital key to success of the pacification program.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|81}}

The public record also shows early support from high U.S. officials for the Strategic Hamlet Program and recognition of its central role in GVN's pacification campaign. Speaking in late April 1962, Under Secretary of State George W. Ball, commented favorably in the progressive development of strategic hamlets throughout RVN as a method of combating insurgency and as a means of bringing the entire nation &quot;under control of the government.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|82}} Secretary McNamara told members of the press, upon his return to Washington from a Pacific meeting in July 1962, that the Strategic Hamlet Program was the &quot;backbone of President Diem's program for countering subversion directed against his state.&quot;{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|83}}

It is reasonable to conclude from the evidence that official U.S. awareness kept abreast of Diem's progressive adoption of the Strategic Hamlet Program as the &quot;unifying concept&quot; in his counterinsurgent effort. The same officials were constantly bombarded by a series of reports from a variety of sources describing the progress of the hamlet program and assessing its efficacy.
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The first operational effort in which the U.S. had a hand, &quot;Operation Sunrise,&quot; got under way in Binh Duong Province on 22 March 1962 when work commenced on Ben Tuong, the first of five hamlets to be constructed for relocated peasants in the Ben Cat District in and around the Lai Khe rubber plantation. (See Map 2.) Phase I of the operation -- the military clearing phase -- was conducted by forces of the 5th ARVN Division reinforced by ranger companies, a reconnaissance company, two reinforced CG companies, and a psychological warfare company. The Viet Cong simply melted into the jungles.

With the Viet Cong out of the way -- at least for the time being -- the relocation and construction of the new hamlet commenced. The new program got off to a bad start. The government was able to persuade only seventy families to volunteer for resettlement. The 135 other families in the half dozen settlements were herded forcibly from their homes.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|84}} Little of the $300,000 in local currency provided by USOM had reached the peasants; the money was being withheld until the resettled families indicated they would not bolt the new hamlet. Some of them came with most of their meager belongings. Others had little but the clothes on their backs. Their old dwellings -- and many of their possessions -- were burned behind them.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|85}} Only 120 males of an age to bear arms were found among the more than 200 families -- indicating very clearly that a large number had gone over to the VC, whether by choice or as a result of intimidation.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|86}}

{{gap}}C. {{u|Other Early Programs}}

Progress in Binh Duong continued at a steady pace, beset by difficulties. By midsummer 2900 persons had been regrouped into three strategic hamlets.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|87}} Elsewhere, the pace quickened. Although the Delta Plan, as a coordinated effort, had not been implemented by the summer of 1962, Secretary McNamara found in May an aggressive effort under way without U.S. help near Ca Mao:

{{quote|Here the commander of the 31st Infantry Regiment had gone into an area 95% controlled by the VC, declared martial law, and resettled 11,000 people (some under duress) in 9 strategic hamlets, while fighting the VC wherever he found them. Since inception of the program, none of his villages have been attacked, and the freedom from VC taxation (extortion) is proving most appealing to the people. It is the commander's hope (doubtless optimistic) that he will be able to turn the whole area, over to the civil guard and self defense corps within 6 months.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|88}} }}

These resettlement efforts in areas which had been under VC domination were not the extent of the early hamlet &quot;program,&quot; however. Many existing hamlets and villages were &quot;fortified&quot; in one degree or another early in 1962 following no discernible pattern. This appears to have been the natural product of the varied response to Nhu's injunction to emphasize strategic hamlets. In April, the GVN Ministry of the Interior informed the U.S. that 1300 such hamlets were already completed.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|89}} &quot;Operation Sunrise&quot; had by this time been broadened to embrace efforts in several provinces.{{Pent|IV. B. 2.|90}} Several other Strategic Hamlet Programs were begun: &quot;Operation Hai Yen II&quot; (Sea Swallow) in Phu Yen Province with a goal of 281 hamlets, 157 of which were reported, as completed within two months:&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||22|{{u|TOP SECRET – Sensitive}}}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[[Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos]] by [[Author:Knud Rasmussen|Knud Rasmussen]] (1930), including [[Index:Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos.djvu]]: '''To be renewed in January 2026'''

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'''[[Portal:Central_Intelligence_Agency/National_Intelligence_Surveys#NIS_18:_Czechoslovakia]]'''

* [[Author:Francis Dvornik]]
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/european/cash/cash3.html List of some works on Czech history]
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Bibliography of Czech literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.39795/page/n33 More biblibliography]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 Bibliography in World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008717785 Chicago foreign language press survey [microform]: Czech]
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=f_FrwHK6NaUC&amp;pg=PA340 bibliography in The United States, Revolutionary Russia, and the Rise of Czechoslovakia]
* [https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/633/cia-reports-on-the-collapse-of-communism-in-europe/3 CIA reports on the collapse of communism in Europe]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20200220074120/https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-16great-teutonic-plan.html some articles on Bohemia and WWI] (1916 The Great Teutonic Plan (Tomáš Masaryk); 1918 Bohemia Ablaze With Revolt; 1918 The Ferment In Bohemia (Richard Wilmer Rowan); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Louis E. Van Norman, George Peet); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Thomas G. Masaryk))
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015079877489&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Tomáš G. Masaryk, 1850-1937: a selective list of reading materials in English] (1981, by George J. Kovtun, 26p)
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Czech and Slovak literature in English] (1988, by George Kovtun, Library of Congress)
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:ed3339c0-5b1e-11e2-8f49-005056827e51?page=uuid:611c9130-b95f-11e2-ada5-005056825209  Publications about Czechoslovakia in foreign languages]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177591&amp;local_base=AUT Books about Czechoslovakia by Joseph Robert Kerner], in NKC, mostly 1930s
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100030308 Selected bibliography of materials on education in Czechoslovakia] (1960, by Nellie Mary Apanasewicz, 37p)
* [http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n85818401/ Bibliography of Rose Rosický]
* [https://dk.uzei.cz/cdk/view/uuid:ab2cf9ef-b058-4768-96f5-80cb42aa44ef?page=uuid:14fe5800-fe28-11e8-b129-00155d012102 Bibliography of Fr. Lützow]
* books by Matthew Spinka on Comenius, Hus, Martinů… in various Czech libraries (note: some of them have renewed copyright, some are unavailable archival copies)
* [https://ncsml.historyarchives.online/home National Czech &amp; Slovak Museum &amp; Library]

* J. B. Dudek:
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=34 The Americanization of Czech given names] (American speech v.1 1925-1926)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=177 The Americanization of Czech surnames] (American speech v.1 1925-1926), same volume as above
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106019601118&amp;seq=210 The Czech language in America] (The American mercury v.5 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000478315&amp;seq=347 Czech surnames in America] (The American mercury v.6 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=315 The Bohemian Language in America – I] (American speech v.2 1926-1927)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=482 The Bohemian Language in America – II] (American speech v.2 1926-1927), same volume as above

'''To book:'''
*'''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001180290&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Caroline University of Prague : its foundation, character and development in the fourteenth century]''' (1948 by Václav Chaloupecký; transl. by V. Fried and W.R. Lee, with seventeen pictorial ilustrations, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001310874&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The rectors of the Czechoslovak universities, technological institutes, and other schools of superior education on Czech school facilities under Austrian government and on German school facilities under Czechoslovak government]''' (1938, Prague: Charles University Press, 24p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001320495&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Mapa Spojených států S. A. s označením českých osad a Republiky Československé] (aka The Bohemian settlements in the United States; 2 maps on 1 sheet 90 × 69 cm; 	Chicago : publisher August Geringer; The Bohemian Daily Svornost, [1920])
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001300283&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Yesterday and today: a survey of Czechoslovak protestantism] (ed. by Luděk Brož; foreword Ján Chabada; introduction J. L. Hromádka; Prague 1955; 55p, 12 plates; VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000452576&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Ceramics] (Prague 1953, 8p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000685724&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Motor Cycles Throughout The World (Jawa, ČZ)] (Prague, 1951, 26p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001114079&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 War Conspirators before the Court of the Czechoslovak People : is a short version of the official report which was published on behalf of the min. of justice] (Prague, 1950, 197p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001215822&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Ghetto Terezín : distant journey] (Prague, 1949, 7p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000672025&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Chemapol Czechoslovakia Praha : the Czechoslovak Chemical Industry] (Prague, 1949, 12p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000673649&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Jablonec Czechoslovakia : [Propagační brožura] : Czechoslovak Glass Work’s National Corporation] (Prague, 1949, 19p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001044802&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 On the distribution of insterstellar matter]''' (Prague 1949, by Jiří Alter, 23p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243986&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243987&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999  The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic  Promulgated on June 9th, 1948 as No. 150 of the Collection of Acts and Orders in the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (2nd edition, Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL), different from above???
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001047949&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Music. Part I, Bohemia and Moravia]''' (Prague, 1949, 113p, 132 plates, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001272398&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The economic aspect of the German occupation of Czechoslovakia] (Prague 1948, by Leopold Chmela, 166p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001054707&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The czechoslovak theatre : a collection of informative material on theatrical activities in Czechoslovakia] (Prague, 1948, 144, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000689870&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Loveliest sigt-seeing tours through Prague : the Description and Plan Given] (Prague, 1948, 6p, VKOL)
* books by Mathew Spinka

'''uploaded:'''
* [[:File:John Huss (IA jstor-30066789).pdf|John Huss]] (1857, long article in Catholic Layman)
* [[Page:Tales from the German - Oxenford.djvu/21|Libussa]] (1844, by J. H. Musaeus, in ''Tales from the German'')
* [[Index:A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language.djvu|A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language]]
* [[:Commons:File:History of Bohemia by Robert H. Vickers.pdf|History of Bohemia]] (1894, by Robert H. Vickers)
* [[:Commons:File:The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620.pdf|The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620]] (1896, by Charles Edmund Maurice)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemia; an historical sketch by the Count Lützow.pdf|Bohemia; an historical sketch]] (1910 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [[:Commons:File:Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty.pdf|Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty]] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 190p)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemian (Čech) bibliography; a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs (IA cu31924029568106).pdf|Bohemian (Čech) bibliography]]
* [[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America.pdf|The Čechs (Bohemians) in America]]; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life] (1920, by Thomas Čapek, 438p)
**[[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life (IA cu31924027019011).pdf|another uploaded copy]]
* [[:Commons:File:Pole and Czech in Silesia.pdf|Pole and Czech in Silesia]] (1921, by Alexander James Roy)
''Encyclopaedias''
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 6.djvu/790|Czechs]] (EB9)
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 12.djvu/420|Huss, John]] (EB9))
* [[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 11.djvu/253|Jirásek + Jireček]] (NIE)
* [[Page:LA2-NSRW-2-0462.jpg|Huss]] (The New Student's Reference Work)
* [[The Encyclopedia Americana (1920)/Masaryk, Thomas Garrigue]]
* [[Page:Collier's New Encyclopedia v. 02.djvu/106|Bohemia]] (Collier's New Encyclopedia, 1921)
* [[:Commons:File:Comenius - his life and principles of education (IA comeniushislifep00langiala).pdf|Comenius: His Life and Principles of Education]] (1891, by Ossian H. Lang, 26p)
'''to upload:'''

''Fiction''
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=YgzaQ5I5hM8C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Some Rules for the Conduct of Human Life, chiefly done from the Latin of J. A. Comenius] (1736, by Edward Synge)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015027523052&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=271 Poetical tracts] (1797, includes a poem &quot;Castle of Olmutz&quot;)
*[https://archive.org/details/johnhussorcounc00beatgoog John Huss; or, The Council of Constance] (1829, a poem by W. Beattie, 145p.)
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=5EsAAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA274&amp;lpg=PA274#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1843, trans. J. Bowring, in ''Rukopis kralodvorský'')
*[https://archive.org/details/manuscriptofquee00hank/page/n7/mode/2up Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1852, trans. A.H. Wratislaw, 86p., Prague edition)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t17m1gb8z the same at HathiTrust]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002517698?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Vrchlicky&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Saint Ludmila : an oratorio, op. 71] (188?, written by Jaroslav Vrchlický; music by Antonín Dvořák)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001228706 Slavonic Literature] (by W. R. Morfill, incl. Early literature of Bohemia, 264p, 1883)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015007863841 A patriotic hymn : from the Bohemian poem &quot;The heirs of the white mountain&quot;] (1884)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102222592 189? edition] (written by V. Halek, the music composed for chorus ad orchestra)
*[https://hdl.handle.net/2027/coo1.ark:/13960/t54f2c97m Sixty folk-tales from exclusively Slavonic sources] (1889, by A.H. Wratislaw, from Erben's ''Čítanka'', 315p.)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075672624&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Poet Lore vol.4] (1892, incl. transls. of Jakub Arbes-Newton's Brain; Under a Bush of Lilacs– by Josef Jiří Král and Turgenev–Hamlet and Don Quixote–by Pavel Durdík; Shakespeare in Bohemia by Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001244803?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=kopta%20bohemian&amp;ft= Bohemian legends and ballads] (1890, by Flora Pauline Wilson Kopta, 63 pages)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100220618 Myths and folk-tales of the Russians, western Slavs, and the Magyars] (1891, by Jeremiah Curtin, 555p)
*[[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 11, 1900.djvu/325|Review in ''Folk-lore, a quarterly review'' on Segnuis irritant]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100771802 North-west Slav legends and fairy stories: a sequel to Segnius irritant] (1897, by K. J. Erben, 111p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001901308 Clever tales] (1897, includes &quot;Newton's Brain&quot; and &quot;Under a Bush of Lilacs&quot; by Arbes, see also Poet Lore above)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100218401 South Slavonic folk-lore stories] (1898, by K. J. Erben)
* [https://www.loc.gov/item/00001834/ The forestman of Vimpek] (1900?, by Flora P. Kopta, 345p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008656821 Linden blossoms] (1908, by Jeffrey Doležal Hrbek, 126 p., poetry)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001069061&amp;local_base=NKC Slav Fairy Tales] (c1908, translated by R.W. Seton-Watson; illustrated by members of the Moravian society of artists, Hodonín: Sdružení výtvarných umělců moravských, 43p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070643641 Twenty Bohemian folk-songs] (1912, English and Bohemian texts, transl. and compiled by Vincent Pisek)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b199996&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 McClure's magazine v. 39] (1912, includes The Bohemian Girl by Willa Sibert Cather)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044009768474;view=1up;seq=1 Poetry, vol. 1, Oct.–March 1912–1913] (incl. article on Bohemian Poetry by Ezra Pound)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100742999 Under the hollow tree] (1913, by Vítězslav Hálek, tr. W. W. Strickland, 61p)
* [https://archive.org/details/mythslegendsofal00mars/page/n9 Myths and legends of all nations] (1914, includes The Decision of Libuscha, 272p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008658012 Rekindled fires] (1918, by Joseph Anthony (1897–1991); frontispiece by J. Ormsbee, 347p, novel about Bohemian community)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101865999 Rue with a Difference] (1920, by Charles Recht, 318p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210017182625&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=285 Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society, v.11 Apr-Oct 1918] (incl. Czecho-Slovak Leader, Thomas G. Masaryk, Visits Chicago…)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i395760 The Slavonic Review] (1922, in JSTOR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 The Slavonic Review] (1922–1927, in HathiTrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001276540 Beyond the giant mountains: tales from Bohemia] (1923, by Adolf Wenig, 95p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112124419117&amp;seq=350&amp;q1=hrbkova Our World, volume 4] (1923-1924, includes The Czecho-Slovaks in America by Sarka B. Hrbkova, and Is Our Education Wrong?  about Franz Čižek)
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.527312/page/1/mode/2up An Atomic Phantasy (Krakatit)] (1925, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Edward Lawrence Hyde, 294p) – different edition from [[Krakatit]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015030884996&amp;seq=18 Great short stories of the world] (1926, ed. by Barrett H. Clark &amp; Maxim Lieber, 1072p, includes The Vampire by Neruda and Foltýn's Drum by Čech, translated by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000120372 Twenty-five short plays international, selected and edited by Frank Shay] (1926, includes &quot;The Witness&quot; by Vrchlický)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001508438&amp;local_base=NKC The wise jeweler and other tales from Czechoslovaki] (1928, translated by Madame Norbert F. Čapek (i.e. Mája Čapková-Oktávcová?); illustrated by Cyril Bouda, 136p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030718147&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Prague Poet Lore, vol. 39] (1928, includes The Golem by H. Leivick, tr. by J. C. Augenlicht)
* [https://kramerius.lib.cas.cz/view/uuid:78e38868-15c7-45e6-85d2-3636d7f6d028 Panslavonic Folk-Lore in Four Books] (1930, By W. W. Strickland and K. J. Erben, 468p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003926479 An anthology of Czechoslovak literature] (1929, by Paul Selver, 301p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370456 Great essays of all nations] (1929, edited by F. H. Pritchard, includes essays by J. Neruda and K. Čapek)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/id/5205/rec/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life, vol. 21, no. 1] (November 1930, includes The Disappearance of Mr. Hirsch by Karel Čapek, translated by Charles Heitzman)
* [https://archive.org/details/talesfromfarnear00rhys/page/n5/mode/2up Tales from far and near] (1930, includes &quot;An Attempt at Murder&quot; from Tales from Two Pockets by Karel Čapek) LIMITED PREVIEW ONLY
* The good soldier Schweik (1930+, by Jaroslav Hašek, transl. by Paul Selver, ilustr. by Josef Lada, AVAILABLE in NKP)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006852389 The gardener's year] (1931, by Karel Čapek; illustrated by Josef Čapek, 160p)
* [The Slav anthology: Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Serbian, Croatian] (1931, translated by Edna Worthley Underwood, 346p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001858264 Letters from Spain] (1932, by Karel C̈apek; translated by Paul Selver, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001271791 Thirty years in the golden north] (1932, by Jan Welzl, translated by Paul Selver, with a foreword by Karel Čapek, 336p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009507037 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008561702 Fairy tales] (1933, by Karel Čapek; with one extra as a makeweight by Joseph Čapek; illustrated by Joseph Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 288p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000422707 Letters from Holland] (1933, by Karel Čapek, translated by Paul Selver, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906943 Dashenka: or, The life of a puppy] [1933, written, drawn, photographed and endured by Karel Čapek; translated by M. &amp; R. Weatherall, 74p]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370302 Hordubal] (1934, by Karel Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 249p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906951 Meteor] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 255p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702820 another copy]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000995224&amp;local_base=NKC Intimate things] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by Dora Round, 176p)
* [http://scriptum.cz/soubory//scriptum/%5Bnode%5D/amerikan_1944_ocr.pdf Amerikán] (contains An open letter the the unconquerable Czechoslovaks, page 198, by Joseph Auslander, 1944)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029764&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Hundred towers: a Czechoslovak anthology of creative writing] (New York, 1945, edited, and with an introduction by F.C. Weiskopf, 277p, VKOL) COPYRIGHT RENEWED
* OSERS, E., MONTGOMERY, J. K. (eds., trs.). Modern Czech Poetry: An Anthology. Published for Prague Press by George Allien &amp; Unwin. 1945.
* SELVER, P. (ed., tr.). A Century of Czech and Slovak Poetry. London: The New Europe Publishing and The Prague Press, [1946].
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4363376 The Russian folk epos in Czech literature, 1800-1900] (1951, by Harkins, William Edward, 282p, AVAILABLE )
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001077887&amp;local_base=NKC Anthology of Czech literature] (1953, ed. by William E. Harkins, 226p, publ. in New York, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* URWIN, I. (tr.). Four Czech Short Stories. Praha: Orbis. 1957.

''On literature and authors''
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=mKLzWShDCqIC&amp;pg=PA145#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false History of Bohemian Literature] (1828, in The Foreign Quarterly Review, by John Bowring?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001058767?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Therese%20Robinson&amp;ft= Historical view of the languages and literature of the Slavic nations] (1850, by Therese A. L. Robinson, 412p., includes also a few poems)
* [https://archive.org/details/nativeliteratur01wratgoog/page/n6 The native literature of Bohemia in the fourteenth century]  (1878, by A.H. Wratislaw, 185p.)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924065545083&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=52 Bohemian Literature in the Fourteenth Century] (1878, review of Wratislaw’s book by A. W. Ward in Macmillan's magazine. v.38)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c3470732&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=601 Athenaeum, No. 2461] (incl. Bohemia by Durdík)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041040726;view=1up;seq=11 Famous composers and their works, vol. 1] (1900, article on B. Smetana, p. 173–182)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89063018212;view=1up;seq=380 By a Real Bohemian of Real Bohemia] (In ''Life'', 25 May 1911, on Jaroslav Kvapil)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128416 The life of John Kollár] (c1917, by John Kulamer, 32p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011726769 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography: a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs] (c1918, by Thomas Čapek and Anna Vostrovský Čapek, 256p, 23 plates)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075716942;view=1up;seq=214 The Freeman, vol. 6, 1922–23] (incl. articles on R.U.R., p. 208, and The World We Live In, p. 305)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020474972&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=365 The Best plays. 1922/1923] (incl. retold R. U. R.)
* [https://archive.org/details/rurrossumsuniver00apek_0/page/98/mode/2up R. U. R. (Rossum’s Universal Robots)] (1923, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Paul Selver, 99p); different (better) edition than [[R. U. R. (Rossum's Universal Robots)]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015022188950&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=87 Theatre arts. v.7 1923] (incl. Czechoslovak puppet shows by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007479145?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=chudoba%20A%20Short%20Survey%20of%20Czech%20Literature&amp;ft= A short survey of Czech literature] (1924, by František Chudoba, 280p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015040082854&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=287 Theatre arts. v.8 pt2 1923] (incl. Prague by Cloyd Head and some bits on R. U. R.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001902191 Contemporary movements in European literature] (1928, edited by William Rose and J. Isaacs, includes &quot;Czechoslovakia&quot; by Paul Selver, p.197–226)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002476774&amp;local_base=SK Jan Kollar : a poet of Panslavism] (1942, by R. A. Ginsburg, 14p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001003198 Encyclopedia of literature] (1946, includes &quot;Czech Literature&quot; in volume 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001231413 A literature in crisis: Czech literature, 1938-1950] (1954, by Milada Součková, 158p.) AVAILABLE
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000980975 Karel C̆apek] (1962, by William E. Harkins, publ. in New York, 193p., DOWNLOADED)

''Art''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101829758?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (ca. 1680, only etchings by Hollar after Holbein, 30 sheets)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100235837 A description of the works of the ingenious delineator and engraver Wenceslaus Hollar] (1759, by George Vertue, mostly catalogue + something about Hollar, 151p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621330 Dance of Death] (1804, painted by Holbein, engraved by Hollar, 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621179?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (1816, with paintings by Holbein engraved by Hollar, incl. text., 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100237457 Exhibition of a selection from the work of Wenceslaus Hollar] (1875, about Hollar and his works, no pictures)
* [https://archive.org/details/frick-31072001464389/page/n3/mode/2up Catalogue of paintings by Vacslav Brozik] (1902, 60p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044039051354&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Art and archaeology vol11] (1921, incl. The Arts of Czechoslovakia by Hrdlička, Chotek and Heidrich, 46p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001469737?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Wenceslaus Hollar and his views of London and Windsor in the seventeenth century] (1922, by Arthur M. Hind 92p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100439660 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia]] (1922, exhibition of prints from the private collection of Henry J. John., Introduction and biografical [sic] data by Ladislav Urban, 30p, 14 plates)

''History''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=msu.31293010057267&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=122&amp;q1=bohemians Letter of Joan of Arc to the Bohemians] (1430, in The life of Joan of Arc, vol. 2, 1908, by Anatole France)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415541 The history of the Council of Constance] (1730, by Jacques Lenfant, 2 vols, 720+680pp)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015078569400&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=70 Literary relics] (1789, incl. letters from King Charles II., King James II., the Queen of Bohemia, Swift..., 415p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=AtwCAAAAQAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Life, Legend, and Canonization of St. John Nepomucen] (1873, by Albert Henry Wratislaw, 81p)
**[https://archive.org/search.php?query=Life%2C%20Legend%2C%20and%20Canonization%20of%20St.%20John%20Nepomucen more copies in Internet Archive]
* [https://archive.org/details/livesofjohnwicli00gilp/page/n7 The lives of John Wicliff and of the most eminent of his disciples; Lord Cobham, John Huss, Jerome of Prague, and Zisca] (1765, by Gilpin, William)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008616943 1814 edition] (288p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah6348&amp;seq=333 The Lives, Prophecies, Visions and Revelations of Christopher Kotterus and Christina Poniatonia] (by J. A. Comenius, in Prophetical Extracts, 1795)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009730719 Germany, Bohemia, and Hungary, visited in 1837] (1839, by G. R. Gleig, 3 volumes, probably only 2 about Bohemia and Moravia)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530842?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= John Huss: a memoir, illustrating some of the workings of popery in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries] ([by Georg Lommel], 1841, 136p.)
**[https://books.google.cz/books?id=NZmpPdGbXpQC&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.l0059624999;view=1up;seq=9 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc1.50178530;view=1up;seq=5 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.+Preface)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007352512?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1840-1849&amp;ft= The reformation and anti-reformation in Bohemia] (1845, by C. A. Pescheck, 2 vols.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100196810?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= The martyrs of Bohemia: or, Brief memoirs of John Huss and Jerome of Prague.] (1846, 237p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uWoCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA265#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false North American Review, vol. 65] (1847, incl. The Life and Letters of John Huss)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=yGFlAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad and Its Mineral Springs Medically, Socially and Locally Considered] (1847, by Rudolph Mannl, 140p)
* [https://archive.org/details/documentsrelativ02brod/page/88/mode/2up Documents relative to the colonial history of the state of New York, vol. 2] (1853, includes ''Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland'' and ''Messrs. Heermans and Waldron to Director Stuyvesant'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935347 The Council of Constance, and the war in Bohemia] (1855, by Richard Cattermole, 304p.)
* [https://www.google.cz/books/edition/Documents_relative_to_the_colonial_histo/oC0OAAAAQAAJ Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the state of New York] (1856, includes ''The Nine Men of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Petition of the Commonalty  of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.) ''Additional Observations on the preceding Petions'' (by Herman et al.), ''Resolution of the States General on the Petitions of Augustyn Herman and others'', ''Select Men of New Amsterdam to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Extract of two letters from Augustin Herman–Stuyvesant does as he pleases'' and ''Extract of a letter from Augustin Herman–Van Tienhoven returned and exposed by the basket-maker’s daughter'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499648 Travels in Bohemia: with a walk through the highlands of Saxony] (1857, by An Old Traveller, 2 volumes in 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007684992 A July holiday in Saxony, Bohemia, and Silesia] (1857, Walter White, 305p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-30066789/page/n1 John Huss] (1857, in The Catholic Layman, 3p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=ioVpAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad in Bohemia and Its Mineral-springs] (1858, by Rudolph Mannl, 151p)
* [https://archive.org/details/BohemiaUnderAustrianDepotism/page/n0 Bohemia Under Austrian Despotism] (1859, by Anthony Michael Dignowity, 236p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057698106&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=207 Wesleyan-Methodist Magazine, v.83] (1860, incl. Constance and John Huss)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001942325?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Life%20and%20times%20of%20John%20Huss&amp;ft= The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 1] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 632p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530740 3rd edition] (1871)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002073106859;view=1up;seq=7 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 2] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 651p.)
** [https://archive.org/details/lifetimesof02gill/page/n5 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century] (1870, by Ezra Hall Gillet)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89097238216;view=1up;seq=1 American criticism ; or, the North American review and the &quot;Life and times of John Huss.&quot;] (1866, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008627104 Church constitution of the Bohemian and Moravian Brethren: the original Latin, with a translation, notes, and introduction] (1866, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by B. Seifferth, 200p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592567?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Heroes%20of%20Bohemia&amp;ft= Heroes of Bohemia : Huss, Jerome and Zisca] (c1871, by John William Mears, 350p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005786077 The infallibility of the Pope at the Council of Constance; the trial of Hus, his sentence and death at the stake, in two letters by a member of the council, Fra Poggius, to his friend and brother in Christ, Leonhard Nikolai] (1930 edition of 1875 forgery, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008925660?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The gospel in Bohemia : sketches of Bohemian religious history] (1877, by E. Jane Whately, 182p.)
* [http://kramerius.nkp.cz/kramerius/handle/ABA001/11338567 Few words on the native question] (1877, by Emil Holub, 8p, downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101063842239&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=362 Report of proceedings of the first General Presbyterian Council, convened at Edinburgh, July, 1877] (includes some texts by Vincent Dusek)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000861979&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=847 Report of proceedings of the Second General Council of the Alliance, convened at Philadelphia, September, 1880] (includes 2 texts by Ferdinand Císař)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012410227?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Conrad : a tale of Wiclif and Bohemia] (1881, by Emma Leslie, 293p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066931 John Amos Comenius: bishop of the Moravians, his life and educational works] (1881, by S. S. Laurie., 239p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705219?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Wratislaw%2C%20Albert%20Henry%2C%201822-1892.%22&amp;ft= John Hus the commencement of resistance to papal authority on the part of the inferior clergy] (1882, A.H. Wratislaw, 408p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015035866832&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=160 Proceedings of the Department of Superintendence of the National Educational Association…] (1881, includes 3 texts on Comenius)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001603107?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Wiclif%20and%20Hus&amp;ft= Wiclif and Hus] (1884, by Johann Loserth, 366p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007678296 Life of Right Rev. John N. Neumann, D.D., of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer. Fourth bishop of Philadelphia.] (1884, by Johan Berger, transl. Eugene Grimm, 457p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000554594 History of the Thirty Years' War] (1884, by Antonín Gindely, transl. by Andrew Ten Brook, 2 vols., 456+456p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003937486 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006663301 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100422942 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100723745 1898 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681802 Carlsbad and its environs] (1886, by John Merrylees, 199p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001643796?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Ancient families of Bohemia manor; their homes and their graves] (1888, by Charles Payson Mallery, 74p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951002232992o&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=147 Fund-Publications No. 30] (1889, by Maryland Hist. Society, includes A Maryland Manor (on A. Herman) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000122810280&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=101 Proceedings of the New Jersey Historical Society. ... ser.2,v.11-12 1890-1893] (includes Augustin Herrman, Bohemian, 1605–1686) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/421244415/?terms=%22frances%2Bgregor%22 The Severence News] (10 Apr. 1891, incl. The Women of Bohemia, by Frances Gregor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t2h78b35b&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=346 The Pennsylvania magazine of history and biography. ... v.15] (1891, includes Copy of the Will of Augustine Herrman; of Bohemia Manor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3508915&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Educational Review, vol. 3] (1892, includes 5 texts on Comenius)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/207040709/?terms=herman The Sun, 23 Oct. 1892] (includes Lord of Bohemia Manor, author E. N. Vallandigham according to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x004383259&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=51 this source])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100113615?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=story%20of%20bohemia&amp;ft= Wenzel's inheritance, or, Faithful unto death] (1893, by Annie Lucas, 404p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007695759 Pictures from Bohemia drawn with pen and pencil] (1894, by James Baker, 192p., 108 illustr.)
**[https://archive.org/details/pictures_from_bohemia/page/n13 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006523097 The Gypsy road] (1894, by Grenville A. J. Cole, 166p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ucw.ark:/13960/t0pr7wm6z&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=848 400 years of freethought] (by Samuel P. Putnam, 1894, 874p., includes chapters Modern Bohemia, p.634–637 and Jaroslav Vostrovsky, p.814)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112051960257&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=32 Music, vol. 8] (incl. Stimuli to Genius by J. J. Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008318615 Johnson's universal cyclopædia] (1893–1897, articles by Josef Jiří Král in vols 4 to 6)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006773706 The history of the church known as the Unitas Fratrum, Or, The unity of the Brethren, founded by the followers of John Hus, The Bohemian reformer and martyr] (1885, by Edmund de Schweinitz, 693p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396 Bohemia:An Historical Sketch] (1896 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-03/ed-1/?sp=5&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.163,0.493,0.567,0.355,0 Riots break out anew in Prague] (New York journal and advertiser, December 3, 1897)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-07/ed-1/?sp=6&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.526,-0.092,0.52,0.647,0 The Austrian Crazy Quilt] (By Thomas Čapek, in New York journal and advertiser, December 7, 1897)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001155563 Communism in central Europe in the time of the reformation] (1897, by Karl Kautsky, 293p.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002805954&amp;local_base=NK Short life of the venerable servant of God John Nepomucene Neumann, C.SS.R., Bishop of Philadelphia] (1897, by J. Magnier, 99p, Available in NKCR)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002949044&amp;local_base=SKC The Bohemian Question] (1898, by František Lützow, excerpt from The nineteenth Century. Dec. 1898. Vol. XI-IV. No. 262; avaliable in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100542963?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1900&amp;ft= 1866 in Boemia] (1900, by Enrico Barone, 2 vols)
* [https://archive.org/details/freechurchinland23amer The free church in the land of John Huss] (1899, 24p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064475369 The Nineteenth Century] (v. 46. December 1899, Austria at the End of the Century, by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= A History of Bohemian Literature] (1899, by Fr. Lützow, London:Heinemann, 425p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100554414?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1900 version] (New York: D. Appleton and Company)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001853985?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1907 edition] (London:Heinemann)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.31103/page/n7 1917 edition] (London:Heinemann)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066921 Comenius and the beginnings of educational reform] (1900, by W. S. Monroe, 184p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006495751 1912 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009015462 The British-American guide to Carlsbad] (1900, by S. A. Arany, 89p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935375 The Council of Constance to the death of John Hus; being the Ford lectures delivered in the University of Oxford in Lent term, 1900]] (by James Hamilton Wylie, 192p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100759243 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001463573 The universal anthology; a collection of the best literature, ancient, mediæval and modern] (by Richard Garnett et al., publ. 1899–1902, volume 29?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006524330?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22The%20Age%20of%20Hus%22&amp;ft= The dawn of the Reformation] (1902, by Herbert B. Workman, volume 2: The age of Hus, 374p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015038792795&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=984 Outline v 73] (1903, includes The Bohemian in America by Edward A. Steiner)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001473603 The follies of science at the court of Rudolph II, 1576-1612] (1904, by Henry Carrington Bolton 217p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006801133 Carlsbad as it was and is. A guide for visitors] (1904, by Josef Ruff, 176p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001966103?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Prague%20and%20its%22&amp;ft= Prague and its Environs] (1905, 49p)
**[https://archive.org/details/pragueanditsenv00firgoog/page/n5 another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishhistorica21londuoft/page/566 The English Historical Review, vol. 21, 1906] (incl. art. by Fr. Lützow: ''Geschichte Böhmens'' on the work of Adolf Bachmann, p.562–566)
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 17, 1906.djvu/265|The Czech Ethnographical Review]] (1906, by F. P. Marchant, in Folk-Lore, a quarterly review)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433068282668&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=298 Champlain educator, vol. 25] (1906, incl. The Catholic Bohemians of the United States, by Valentine Kohlbeck)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3609490&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=353 Maryland historical magazine. v.1] (1906, includes The Labadists of Bohemia Manor by Geo. Armistead Leakin)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia&amp;id=njp.32101064485293&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=968&amp;num=890 Who's who in Ameria] (1906/07 edition, articles including expression &quot;Bohemia&quot;, among others article on Aleš Hrdlička)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000638860 more volumes]
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusswitness00kuhn/page/n5 John Huss : The Witness] (c1907, by Oscar Kuhns, 174p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080394128&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=906 The Christian Register, v.86] (1907, incl. 2 texts by Masaryk, p. 898 and 1146)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/search/page/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life] (1909–1931)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415842 Pope John the Twenty-third, and Master John Hus of Bohemia] (1910, Eustace J. Kitts, 446p)
* [https://archive.org/details/narrativesofearl0013hall/page/n13/mode/2up Narratives of early Maryland, 1633-1684] (1910, by Clayton Colman Hall, 460p, includes Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland by Augustine Herrman, 1659)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705651 Bohemia, 1866] (1912, by Neill Malcolm, 146p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100598205 Guide to the royal city of Prague and to the kingdom of Bohemia] (1911, 224p)
** [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028173197/page/n157 1912 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100769714 another 1912 copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000519209 Essays by divers hands, being the transactions of the Royal Society of Literature] (vol. 30, 1911, includes Later thoughts on the apostles of Moravia and Bohemia by Francis Lützow, p. 225–243)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia;id=loc.ark%3A%2F13960%2Ft8cg01b61;view=1up;seq=9;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Some Bohemians in the Notable men of Illinois &amp; their state] (1912)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007693836 A primer of civics designed for the guidance of the immigrant] (1912, by J. J. Zmrhal, 66p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.23492417 The Fortnightly. v.100] (1913, includes Bohemian Sokol by Walter Jerrold, 12p, PDF ALREADY DOWNLOADED)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005974279 Sadowa: a study] (1913, by H. Bonnal ; translated from the French by C.F. Atkinson, 255p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011224886 The Bohemians; a study of the &quot;Land of the cup and the book&quot;] (c1914, by Edith Fowler Chase, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.65548665&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=893 North American Review, vol. 200] (Dec. 1914, incl. Nationalism in Bohemia and Poland by Herbert Adolphus Miller, see also [https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-14nationalism-in-bohemia.html])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009561194 The position of the Bohemians (Czechs) in the European war] (1915, 40p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001636353 Some new sources for the life of Blessed Agnes of Bohemia, including a fourteenth century Latin version] (1915, by Walter W. Seton, 176p)
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusmartyrofb00schw/page/n7 John Hus: The Martyr of Bohemia] (1915, by William Nathaniel Schwarze, 152p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004260397 Current History, v3] (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=493 Problem of Small Nations in the Crisis of Europe] by Masaryk, December 1915, p425, and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1107 Bohemia], February 1916, p991]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100590965?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Declaration of the Bohemian (Czech) Foreign Committee : Comments of London papers.] (1915, 16p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101033289800 Collections of the Kansas State Historical Society, v.13 (1913-14)] (1915, includes Bohemians in Central Kansas by Francis J. Swehla, 45p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-25108350/page/n1 An Uncouth Slav Dialect] (1915, by Charles Pergler, from The North American Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102628654 A memorial to the International] (1915, Socialist Party (US), Bohemian Section, 40p., 4 languages)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/33250805 John Huss] (6 July 1915, The Times)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=NruraRZNWI4C Semi-millennial Commemoration of the Jan Hus Martyrdom, Burned at the Stake in Constance, July Sixth, Fourteen Hundred and Fifteen] (1915, by Herbert Adolphus Miller; Francis Lützow; Šárka B Hrbková)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006743351&amp;local_base=SKC a copy in Náprstkovo muzeum]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100585249 The problem of small nations in the European crisis] (1916, by T. G. Masaryk, 32p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015050652984&amp;seq=212 The New York times current history of the European war v.7] (1916 Apr-Jun, includes The Great Teutonic Plan by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009567294 Bohemian hopes and aspirations] (c1916, by Charles Pergler, 17p.)
**[https://archive.org/details/bohemianczechhop00perg another copy]
**[https://www.loc.gov/item/17020017/ another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008016872 Pamphlets on Czechoslovakia] (1916, by Seton-Watson, illustrations?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600174?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Austrian terrorism in Bohemia] (1916?, by T. G. Masaryk, 38p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006829694?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=bohemian%20in%20america&amp;ft= Orgán bratrstva–Brotherhood Organ], vol. 24, 1916 (in Czech, includes some English texts, e. g. on Karel Havlíček B., Comenius...)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 9 and 10 (1916), includes Bohemia: Her story and her claims by F. P. Marchant, p. 147, and A fair hearing and no favour, p. 363 (downloaded)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012288821?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D The Country gentleman] (vol. 81, 1 July 1916, includes New Bohemia, Virginia; colony of alien farmers, by  R. G. Carroll)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063560 The New Europe] (1916–20)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100370849 Bohemia; a brief evaluation of Bohemia's contribution to civilization] (1917,ed. by J. J. Zmrhal and Vojta Beneš, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4806447&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=839 The North American Review, vol. 206] (1917, Bohemian Appreciation by Pergler, Bohemia the Submerged Front by Stephen Bonsal)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1172239/page/n1 The Austrian Problem] (1917, by Charles Pergler, in Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science in the City of New York, Volume 7)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012266476?type%5B%5D The Literary Digest] (includes Our Bohemian Fighters in v54? 23 June 1917? or 1920?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008569287?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czechoslovak%20review&amp;ft= The Bohemian Review / The Czechoslovak Review] (1917–1924)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044083330506&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=55 Volume 5] (1921, includes Sunflower by Machar, Well of Oblivion by Vrchlický, and poems by Březina, Sova, Bezruč)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000743549b;view=1up;seq=8 Volume 6] (1922, includes articles &quot;The World We Live In&quot; on Karel Čapek, &quot;Czech Literature&quot; and &quot;Note on Petr Bezruč&quot; by P. Selver, poems by Zeyer and Sova, Machar, Čech, Březina, Vrchlický, Sládek, Kvapil, Neruda-Kosmic Songs,...)

* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100587017 Should Austria-Hungary exist?] (1918, by Charles Pergler, 24p, reprinted from the The Yale Review, see below)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057529772&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=320 The Yale Review, new ser., v.7] (January 1918, includes Should Austria-Hungary exist? by Charles Pergler)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/478668799/ Sioux City Journal from Sioux City, Iowa] (September 7, 1918, includes article on Charles Pergler)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100678057 Austrian socialism and the present war] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 15p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462 American Leader] (1918, includes Four New Nations by L. N. Hammerling, The oppressed in Austria-Hungary by Ira E. Bennet, The Czechoslovaks in America by Jaroslav Císař)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101057051789&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=545&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=pergler The Bohemian question] (in Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 72)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435005668553;view=1up;seq=18 The demands of the Bohemian people] (1917, by Jaroslav F. Smetánka, 13p)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015047660116&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=171 original article in The Journal of international relations. v.8 no.2, Oct. 1917]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011817428 Economic strength of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) lands] (1918, by Vojta Beneš, tr. J. F. Smetanka, 23p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008733148?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Meeting of the Lawyers Club ... New York City. Subject: Czecho-Slovako--Middle Europe] (1918, incl. contribution by Masaryk, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography] (1918)
* [https://archive.org/details/slavsofaustriahu00hrbk/page/n5 The Slavs of Austria-Hungary] (1918, by Šárka Hrbková, 30p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1945847/page/n1 Recognition of the Czechoslovak Nation] (1918, in  The American Political Science Review, Volume 12)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 13 and 14, (1918), incl. The Cecho-Slovaks in Russia and the British Declaration, by F. P. Marchant (downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000689119&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=194 The Independent, vol. 95] (1918, incl. The Czech Revolt)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20645911/ letter to the editor] (New York Times, Feb. 1918, G. H. Mika and Ch. Pergler challenging Wilson’s decision to maintain Hapsburg Empire)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210016795583&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=331 New Outlook v. 118] (1918, incl. The Army of Victory or Death by G. H. Mika)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462&amp;q1=bohemian American leader. v.13] (1918, includes The Czechoslovak in America by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.d0000703181&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=520&amp;q1=ferment The World’s Work, vol. 35] (1918, no. 5 includes The Ferment in Bohemia, by Richard Wilmer Rowan)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064466194&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=233 Peace via Austria] (in The Unpopular Review, v. 10, 1918, by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=402&amp;q1=hazen The Czecho-Slovaks, part 1] (12 October 1918, by Charles Downer Hazen, in The Saturday Evening Post)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=475&amp;q1=hazen part 2]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009261801 German trade and the war: commercial and industrual conditions in war time and the future outlook] (1918, by Chauncey Depew Snow and J. J. Král; includes appendices by Masaryk and Rašín; 236p; extensive tables)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000067504909&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=10 Asia, vol. 18] (1918, includes articles The Fighting Czechoslovakia by Maynard Owen Williams, The Future Czechoslovak State by Charles Pergler, The Singing Czechoslovaks by Louise Llewellyn and Prague, city of seven hills: Eight Etchings by J. C. Vondrous)
* [https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/page/n14 The campaign in Bohemia 1866]
**[https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofprague00lutz/page/n9 The story of Prague]
* [https://archive.org/details/onplainpeaksport00hodgiala/page/n7 On plain and peak]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028101073/page/n0 Bohemia and the Čechs] (110, by Monroe W. S., 488p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/germansinbohemia00berlrich/page/n3 The Germans in Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064078957&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=114 Pearson's magazine. v.38] (July 1917-Apr. 1918, includes The Czechs and their Bohemia and other articles by or about Guido Bruno)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000668193&amp;local_base=SKC The Czechoslovak Republic : travelling Information and Literature, Circular Drives through the Town of Prague] (between 1918 and 1938?)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814534&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak Republic, Prague : The Union for Promoting Tourist Traffic to the Czechoslovak Republic] (after 1922, same as above or different????)
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028113185/page/n1 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]
* [https://archive.org/details/presidentmasaryk00sarorich/page/n5 President Masaryk and the spirit of Abraham Lincoln]
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:b7eb9220-9b86-11e5-84c7-005056827e52?page=uuid:8311f5f0-b3d0-11e5-82dc-5ef3fc9bb22f Prussian Upper Silesia and the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 15p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814521&amp;local_base=NKC Těšín Silesia, an integrant part of the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600179 The rise of the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1919, by Aleš Brož, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401184 Leslie's photographic review of the great war]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010107669 Czecho-Slovak secondary schools] (1919, by Karel Velemínský, The Czecho-Slovak Republic ; Vol. IV., Part 3)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t0tq6ck2w;view=1up;seq=5 Protocol to the Treaty of Peace with Germany] (1919, sign. among others Karel Kramář)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010656316 Report on labor situation of Austria, Hungary, and the Czecho-Slovak Republic] (1919?, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596215 Czechs and Poles in Těšín Silesia] (1919, by Jan Hejret, transl. Otakar Vočadlo, 10p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Charles%20Pergler&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak State] (1919, by Charles Pergler, 32p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1014141/page/n1 An Experiment in Progressive Government. The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Charles Pergler, in  Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 84.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005874109?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= In the world war] (1919, by Ottokar Czernin, 352p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041802984&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=43 Geographical review. vol8] (1919, incl. Czecho-Slovakia and its people, by Milivoy S. Stanoyevich, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030227774&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=176 Publications of the Nebraska State Historical Society, vol. 19] (1919, includes Bohemians in Nebraska by Šárka B. Hrbková, different from Boh. in N. published in Bohemian Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005594518 American deportation and exclusion laws: a report] (submitted by Charles Recht, Counsel, to the N.Y. Bureau of Legal Advice, January 15, 1919)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785209 In the matter of L. C. A. K. Martens, an alleged alien] (1920?, by Charles Recht, attorney, 104p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401753?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= 1920 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89095908877&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=221 The Americas, vol. 5, 1919] (incl. Picturesque Old Bohemia to be a New Market for American Products, 11p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924066373345&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=655 Outlook, New outlook. v.121 1919] (incl. A Panorama of Central Europe: An authorized interview with Dr. Thomas G. Masaryk…, by Gregory Mason)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 The Literary Digest v.61:no.1511-1516 (1919)]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=33 Bohemians in the United States]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=496 The plain and illuminating tale of a Czecho-Slovak private] (reprinted from the Bohemian Review, vol. 2, December no.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn46bh&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=559 The American review of reviews v.59 (1919)] (incl. The Music of the Czechoslovaks)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100165019 Bohemia's endeavors at world's peace arbitration and world's federation] (1919, by Leon Zelenka Lerando, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006670800 The right of the Germans of Bohemia to dispose of themselves] (c1919, a speech delivered by Dr. Rudolph Lodgman von Auen, 12p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.ax0003286820 Treaty between the principal Allied and associated powers and Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, 11p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz/F/6QNRJHMS9B2XR1I3AT6265BYK8RP7MD36RYQBYR8K1EXJG682A-28037?func=full-set-set&amp;set_number=008954&amp;set_entry=000427&amp;format=999 Geographical sketch, outline of the history and importance of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) State] (1919, by Stanislav Nikolau, 34p, VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008729796 Agricultural schools in Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, by Fr. Sitenský, 28p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:3fab3f30-d44b-11e3-b110-005056827e51 Insurance companies: The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Karel Svoboda, 18p, KRAMERIUS online)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.18645619&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=546 The Public, v.22] (1919, incl. President Masaryk of Bohemia by E. F. Prantner)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032310047&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=174 Transactions, vol.21] (1919, includes Comenius and Harvard College by Albert Matthews)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005207215 Eastern Europe] (1919–1922, journal, includes &quot;Czech and Slovak&quot; by Baudiš, &quot;The Danubian Federation&quot; by J. Císař, &quot;Modern Czech Literature&quot; by P. Selver and others in vol. 5, &quot;The foundations of Czech culture&quot; by Baudiš in vol. 6)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/844899365/ Freeport Journal-Standard 8 May 1919] (includes Prague, The Capital of The Czechoslovaks by Donald L. Breed; linked from [[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 3/Current Topics (6)]])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/103093870 Czecho-Slovak music and the British press]. Report on the Czecho-Slovak festival in London (May 25th-June 3rd, 1919), with press comments. (1919, 86p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000020200800&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=297 Current Opinion, v66] (includes article The importance of the Czecho-Slovak state to Europe, by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924062393743 Current history, vol. 11] (1920)
**Religious problems of Czechoslovakia (very short)
**Event in two new Slavic states (3+p., includes New Czechoslovak cabinet)
**Three founders of the Czech (sic) Republic (by Louise Weiss, 3p)
* [https://archive.org/details/geographicalimpo00fodouoft/page/6 The geographical impossibility of the Czech State]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000335479 The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life, by Thomas Čapek] (1920)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101076459658&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=245 The Catholic historical review, new ser. vol. 1] (1922, review of The Cechs (Bohemians) in America)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001127423 The Czechs and Slovaks in American banking] ([1920], by Thomas Čapek, 60p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006084362?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Economic and social position of women in the Czechoslovak republic] (1920, by Plamínková, 19p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144223?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The Czecho-slovak national movement] (1920?, 3p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006691947 A history of Czechs (Bohemians) in Nebraska] (1929, by Rose Rosický, 492p., maps, &lt;u&gt;FULL VIEW&lt;/u&gt;)
* Augustine Herman : 1606-1686, founder of Bohemia manor (1929, by Henry Arthur Stump, not to be found anywhere)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=karel&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Jugoslavs and the Czechoslovak Republic] (1920, Czecho-Slovak Foreigner's Office, 12p.)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/dcmsiabooks.ourlittleczechos00winl/?st=gallery Our Little Czecho-Slovak Cousin] (1920, by Clara Vostrovsky Winlow, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813 Jugoslavs and the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1920, by Karel Kadlec, 12p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006270976 The land question] (1920, by Joseph Macek, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063431 Bohemia and Moravia] (1920, by H. M. Stationery Office, 109p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006271892 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]. (1920, collected under the direction of Jar. Císař by Fr. Pokorný and P. Selver. 83p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604490 The Czechoslovak Republic] (1921, Císař, Jaroslav, Pokorný, František, 197p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005906607 The problem of Upper Silesia] (1921, by Sidney Osborne, 180p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/otakarbezinastud00selv/page/30 Otakar Březina : A study in Czech literature] (1921)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702846 Another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008367261?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czecho Slovak Republic] (1921, by R. W. Seton Watson, 14p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144216?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Three years of the Czechoslovak republic, a survey of its progress and achievements] (1921, by Aleš Brož, 40p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/cechbohemiancomm00cape_0/page/n0 The Čechoslovaks : The Čech (Bohemian) community of New York] (1921, by Thomas Čapek, 93p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001432116 The eight-hour day act and its application to agriculture in Czecho-Slovakia] (1921, 96p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100163976?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Lutzow&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The life &amp; times of Master Jan Hus]] (1921 edition, by Count Lützow, 372p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000080211 Transactions of the Celtic Congress] (1921 vol. includes The Re-Establishment of the Czech Literary Language by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113231/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923c.htm rewritten online]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.096959409&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=657&amp;q1=comenius School and Society, vol. 13] (1921, includes The spirit of Jan Amos Comenius in the education of the Czechoslovak Republic by B. (Bedřich?) Stepanek)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008914617 The foreign policy of Czechoslovakia, speech of Dr. E. Beneš ... in the House of Deputies, 27 January, 1921] (1921, by Edvard Beneš, 35p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000336409 The Czecho-Slovaks in America] (c1922, by Kenneth D. Miller, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Masaryk's realism and the Czech nation] (1922, by Edward Z. Rowell, 186p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/graphicartofczec00john/page/n0 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia] (1922)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600183?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak Republic : a survey of its history and geography, its political and cultural organisation, and its economic resources] (1922, by J. Císař and F. Pokorný, 5 p. l., 3-218 p. illus., plates, port., fold. map, diagrs.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000400155?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Eminent Europeans] (1922, by Eugene S. Bagger, incl. part on Masaryk?, 283p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009796460?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Bohemia from the earliest times to the foundation of the Czecho-Slovak republic in 1918] (1922, by Edmund C. Maurice, 576p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106017174647&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=875 The Century illustrated monthly magazine, vol104] (1922, incl. The Yankees of Central Europe, by James Alton James, 7p)
* [https://aleph.mzk.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000640449&amp;local_base=MZK01&amp;format=999 The Slavs after the War] (1922, by T. G. Masaryk, 23p, available in MZK Brno)
** [https://www.jstor.org/stable/4201583 JSTOR]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785464 These help build America] (1922, by Emil F. Prantner, 112p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102585283 The Slavonic and East European review] (1922–1949)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523281 more volumes]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662774 other copies]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 other copies]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153698 Financial policy of Czecho-Slovakia during the first year of its history] (1923, A. Rašín, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000040157 From a terrace in Prague] (1923, by Lieut.-Col. B. Granville Baker, 262p., illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002036441?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Nicholas Glassberger and his works, with the text of his Major cronica Boemorum moderna (A. D. 1200-1310)] (1923, by Walter Seton, 117)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=003000595&amp;local_base=SKC The Religious Problem of Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Clarence Augustus Manning, 13p, SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100122761 Six Great Scientists] (1923, by Margaret Avery, 100p, includes chapter on Mendel)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006591175?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Prague, the capital of the Czechoslovak Republic], by Městská spořitelna pražská, 30p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522317?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Social policy in the Czechoslovak Republic, for the International congress on social policy in Prague] (1924, by Sociální ústav Československé Republiky)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522563?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Czechoslovakia; a survey of economic and social conditions] (1924, by Josef Gruber (ed.), Brož, Klíma, Král, 256p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Masaryk&amp;fqor-language%5B%5D=English&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateTrie%3A%5B%22%2A%22%20TO%20%221924%22%5D&amp;ft= President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923.] (1924, 141p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006665829 Czechoslovak help to the Russian and Ukraine emigration] (1924, 140p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=506 The nation, v.119] (July-Dec 1924, includes &quot;Savinkov’s story&quot; about Masaryk)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=700 The nation, v.119] (&quot;Savinkov and Masaryk&quot; by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=bc.ark:/13960/t48p9fm1m&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=57 Woodstock letters, v.53, no.2] (1924, includes Protestantism in Czechoslovakia by Zaroslav? Ovecka)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144324 East of Prague] (1924, by C.J.C. Street, preface by His Excellency Dr. Vojtěch Mastný)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000567296 Five years of Czechoslovak foreign policy] (1924, by Edvard Beneš, 39p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006716993&amp;local_base=SKC Czechoslovaks as Americans] (1924, Chicago: Czechoslovak National Council of America, AVAILABLE in SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231 President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923] (1924)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965479 The late Count Lützow; a tribute to the memory of a great Bohemian patriot.] (1925, collected and edited by Dr. A. Sum, 71 p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600180 Origins of the Czechoslovak state] (1926, by Thomas Čapek, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798901 Czechoslovakia, the land of an unconquerable ideal] (1926, by Jessie Mothersole, 296p with sixty illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010513619 The problem of the small nations after the world war, a lecture] (1926?, by Edward Beneš, 28p, reprinted from Slavonic Review) (AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102105950 Czechoslovakia] (1926, by Helena C. Schott, 69p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009384854?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Liber amicorvum Romain Rolland] (1926, includes contribution by Masaryk, 405p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010586013 Czecho Slovak pictorial weekly. Česko slovenský obrázkový týdeník.] (1926, just one issue)
* [https://books.google.cz/books/about/Huss_and_His_Followers.html?id=i_wOAAAAQAAJ Huss and His Followers] (1926, by Jan Herben, 214p)
* [https://archive.org/details/spiritofbohemia00vlad/page/n5/mode/2up The Spirit of Bohemia] (1927, by Vladimir Nosek, 379p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001085657&amp;local_base=NKC The Semi-Centennial Jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois] (1927, By Jan Diviš, A free English version of J.J. Jelínek’s Bohemian historical sketch by J.E.S. Vojan, 134p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631402 The middle Euphrates, a topographical itinerary] (1927, by Alois Musil, 426p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631403 Palmyrena, a topographical itinerary] (1928, by Alois Musil, 367p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631405 The manners and customs of the Rwala Bedouins] (1928, by Alois Musil, 712p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009007215 A Bohemian scholar at Heidelberg and Oxford in the 16th century. Jan Bernart of Přerov (1553-1600)] (1928, by Robert Fitzgibbon Young, 20p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001456146 Antonín Dvořák] (1928, by Karel Hoffmeister, translated by Rosa Harriet Jeaffreson Newmarch, 132p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001042342&amp;local_base=NKC The America of Today (1929, by Aleš Brož, 47p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000066025 Year-book of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1929, by Bohuslav Horák (ed.), 318p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001865696 In the Arabian desert] (1930, by Alois Musil, 339p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001162487&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Augustine Herrman of Bohemia manor] (1930, by Thomas Čapek, 35p, available in VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102646351 The Moravians and the Czech contribution to the early history of Ohio ... published in remembrance of the Gnadenhutten Sesqui-centennial Commemoration of the Massacre of the Moravian Christian Indians] (1932, American National Alliance of Czechoslovaks, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600152 Bohemia in the eighteenth century] (1932, by Robert Joseph Kerner, 412p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group (Czechs and Slovaks) international exposition, Chicago, 1933, incoporated.] (1933, 184p, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001507029&amp;local_base=NKC The Quest for Polar Treasures] (1933, by Jan Welzl, translated by M.R. Weatherall, 352p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001495741 Life of Mendel] (1932, by Hugo Iltis, trans. by Eden and Cedar Paul, 336p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005945231King Edward VII at Marienbad; political and social life at the Bohemian spas] (1934, by Sigmund Münz, 303p, 42 illustrations, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798917 President Masaryk tells his story] (1934, recounted by Karel Čapek; translated by D. R. (probably Dora Round who the 1936 edition is attributed to), 302p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965548 1935 edition]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102930638 1936 edition, tr. by Dora Round)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045160&amp;local_base=NK Czechoslovak literature and science 1935 : Selections] (1936, [Prague] : American Institute in Czechoslovakia, 127p, NK ČR)
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.173970/page/n3 Defender of Democracy Masaryk speaks] (1936)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604518 Beneš, statesman of central Europe] (1936, by Pierre Crabitès, 293p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002640467&amp;local_base=NKC Immigrant Problems] (1937, by Emil F. Prantner, 12s, AVAILABLE from NKCR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/40187871 The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Struggle for Czechoslovak Independence] (1938, by Joseph Jahelka, in Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society (1908-1984))
* [https://archive.org/details/democracytodayto00bene/page/n0 Democracy today and tomorrow] (1939, by Edvard Beneš, 243p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144299 Czechoslovakia; its sacrifice and future] (c1939, by Czechoslovak National Council of America, 101p)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/524121555/ The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Fight for Czechoslovak Independence] (by Joseph Jahelka, in Berwyn Life, 5 April 1939)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002213257&amp;local_base=SKC Ten Million Prisoners (Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia)] (1940, by Vojta Beneš, R. A. Ginsburg, 180p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063483 Nazi barbarism in Czechoslovakia] (1940, by Edvard Beneš, 31p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006076662 Czechoslovakia's struggle for freedom] (1941, by Dr. Edvard Beneš, 16p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006006033 Culture lives on in occupied Czechoslovakia; lecture delivered on 13th November, 1941, at the Czechoslovak institute, London] (1941?, by Dr. Gustav Winter, 22p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i350999 The Slavonic Year-Book, American Series] (1941, includes ''Problems of the Reign of George of Poděbrady'', pp. 206-222, by Otakar Odložilík; Czechoslovakia; Twenty Years of Independence by R. J. Kerner, pp. 395-396, review by J. B. Kozák
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666184&amp;local_base=NKC The Story of two peoples, or, Czechoslovak and German morality] (1942, by Vojta Beneš, 20p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029768&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Masaryk in England] (1943, by R.W. Seton-Watson, 206p, AVAILABLE in VKOL)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045874&amp;local_base=NKC Slavs in the United States census : 1850-1940 : with special references to Czechoslovaks] (1943, by Thomas Čapek, 15p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slaveasteurorevi The Slavonic and East European Review. American Series] (1943–1944)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177543&amp;local_base=NKC Czechoslovakia in European History] (1943, by Samuel Harrison Thomson, 390p)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666341&amp;local_base=NKC 1944 edition]
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001538448&amp;local_base=NKC 1953 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600260 Czechoslovakia fights back: a document of the Czechoslovak Ministry of Foreign Affairs]] (1943, introduction by Jan Masaryk, 210p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3160037 Peter Chelčický: The Spiritual Father of the Unitas Fratrum] (1943, by Matthew Spinka, in Church History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Dec., 1943), pp. 271-291)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 The Angel of Peace] (1944, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by W. A. Morison, 125p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002474422&amp;local_base=SKC The role of Czechoslovakia : a talk to educational officers of H.M. Forces] (1944, by Jaroslav Císař, 16p)
* [https://archive.org/details/Czechoslovak-russianTreatyMay81944/page/n3 Czechoslovak-Russian Treaty 1944]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600386 Edvard Benes̆ in his own words: threescore years of a statesman, builder and philosopher] (1944, by Edvard Beneš and Karel Hudec, 136p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965526 Dr. Edvard Beneš, president of Czechoslovakia; the Czechoslovak stateman's official wartime visit to the United States and Canada in 1943] (c1944, by Thomas John Watson, 156p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007561476 Sokol, educational and physical culture association] (1944, by Jarka Jelínek and Jaroslav Zmrhal, 112p, NO NOTICE)
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/NT_Nazi-conspiracy.html Nazi Conspiracy] (8 volumes of various documents connected with WWII)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/amerslaveasteuro The American Slavic and East European Review] (1945–1961, although Cambridge University Press is given, inside there is written &quot;Published for the American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies --&gt; published in the U.S.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000394410&amp;local_base=NKC The opening of the Prague parliament: message of president Dr. Edvard Beneš to the national assembly of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1946, introduction Václav Osvald; two speeches by Josef David, president of the National Assembly; the programme of the Government under the Premiership of Zdeněk Fierlinger; translated by William Beardmore, 19p, AVAILABLE from NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005973893 A key to Czechoslovakia, the territory of Kladsko (Glatz): A study of a frontier problem in middle Europe] (1946, by Milič,  Čapek, 153p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001451967 Bohumil Shimek] (1947, by Walter Ferdinand Loehwing, 36p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001117139 Studies in the history of American education] (1947, includes Comenius and Harvard University by James R. Taylor, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000710251&amp;local_base=NKC The Founding of the Charles University of Prague] (1947, by František Kop; drawings by Josef Novák; transl. by Dr. William Beardmore, 57p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:cd124600-90b4-11e8-9690-005056827e51?page=uuid:f42d9630-d2d7-11e8-9480-5ef3fc9ae867 The Lands of the Bohemian Crown their history and glory] (1947, anonymous, ed. Milka Hipmanová, tr. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 139p, mostly pictures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592106 Venerable John Neumann, C.SS.R., fourth bishop of Philadelphia] (1952, by Michael J. Curley, 547p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000126175&amp;local_base=NKC Purges in the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia] (1952, by P. Korbel and V. Vagassky, 55p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000712786 Czechoslovakia: an area manual (1955, edited by David Nelson Rowe and Willmore Kendall)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000823220 Czechoslovak-Polish Confederation and the Great Powers, 1940-43] (1956, by Piotr S. Wandycz, 152p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600200 Czecho-Slovakia: a critical history]] (1961, by Kurt Glaser, 275p)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.110643/page/n3/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102477297 Antonín Dvořák, 1841-1961] (1961, by Karel Boleslav Jirák, 31p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slavicreview Slavic Review] (1961–2019, at least early numbers published in the US, see the front matter) 
* [Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia: Its History and Status as of January 1962] (1962, by Vojtěch N. Duben, 99p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001112583&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak contribution to world culture] (1964, edited by Miloslav Rechcigl, 682p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169389 Czechoslovakia, a bibliographic guide] (1967, by Rudolf Sturm, 157p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102195430 Air transport services: agreement between the United States of America and the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic] (1986, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001105093 Masaryk &amp; America] (1988, by George J. Kovtun, 82p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32437010526495&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=5 Czechoslovakia: a country study] (1989, PUBLIC DOMAIN)
** [https://www.loc.gov/item/88600487/ copy from LoC library]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007409351 Czechoslovakia] (3 vols. 1989–1991, prepared by American Embassy Prague)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009883093 Eastern European Business Bulletin] (1991–1994)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924092658065&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=60 1991–1992] (includes art. on Northern Bohemia)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=3 1993–1994] (beginning: Czech and Slovak Republics Enter New Era, Pardubice, maybe Telecomunication Consortium...)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=77 1993–1994] (middle–end: Anniversary of split; Eastern Bohemia; Distribution evolving in the Cz. R., etc. ..., Western Bohemia,..., South Bohemia, ... South Bohemia again)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423397 Peace Corps: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1990, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423302 Scientific and technological cooperation: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1991, 19p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423303 Scientific and technical cooperation: earth sciences: memorandum of understanding between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1992, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210023601576&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 Treaties and other international acts series 11915] (1992, Agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia, Aviation transport services)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009636318 United States Seed Act: assistance strategy for the Czech Republic, 1993-1995, submitted by American Embassy, Prague] (1993, 14p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210012223911&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 Treaties and international agreements registered on 29 June 1995, No. 32007] (Treaty between EU and Czech Republic, PUBLIC DOMAIN per {{template|PD-UN}}, 640p, problematic signatures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003096588 Czech and Slovak history: an American bibliography] (1996, compiled by George J. Kovtun, 481p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004120301 Democratizing Communist militaries: the cases of the Czech and Russian armed forces] (c1999, by Marybeth Peterson Ulrich, 292p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007425040 Additional investment protocol with the Czech Republic: message from the President of the United States transmitting additional protocol between the United States of America and the Czech Republic to the treaty between the United States of America and the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic concerning the reciprocal encouragement and protection of investment] (2003, 10p)

''Natural sciences''
*[https://archive.org/details/naturallphilosop00come/page/n3/mode/2up Naturall philosophie reformed by divine light, or, A synopsis of physicks] (1651, by Johann Amos Comenius, 256p.)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=philosophical+transactions+bohemia&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=bks&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjS8rK5gZDkAhXFdJoKHWcwDgkQ_AUIFygB&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=949 several articles in Philosophical Transactions]
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001264427&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=259 Part of a Letter from James Mounsey, ..., concerning ... the Baths at Carlsbad...] (1749, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 46)
*[https://archive.org/details/philosophicaltra4911roya/page/394 An account of an extraordinary Alteration in the Baths of Toplitz in Bohemia, on the first of November 1755] (1757, by [[:cs:w:Joseph Stepling|Joseph Stepling]], Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=443 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=985 An Account of a Treatise, in Latin, presented and dedicated to the Royal Society, intituled &quot;Gottlob Caroli Sprinsfeld...&quot;] (1756, by William Watson, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?lookfor=ale%C5%A1%20hrdli%C4%8Dka&amp;searchtype=all&amp;ft=ft&amp;setft=true publications by Aleš Hrdlička]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011589026 Carlsbad and its natural healing agents] (1880, by Ignaz Kraus, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008972246 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1883, by Eduard Hlawaček, 121p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100491635 Carlsbad; its thermal springs and baths, and how to use them] (1887, by Ignaz Kraus, 3ed revised and enlarged)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100132420 Saratoga chips and Carlsbad wafers. The pursuit of happiness and health at the two great mineral water resorts of America and Europe] (1887, by Nathan Sheppard)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uoVBAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA37 Goldthwaite's Geographical Magazine, vol.1–2] (1891, includes A Bridal Trip in Africa: From Dr. Emil Holub’s Narative, page 37)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000919412 The action, therapeutic value and use of the Carlsbad sprudel salt (powder form) and its relation to the Carlsbad thermal water] (1891, by Walery Jaworski, tr. by Albert L. A. Toboldt, 100p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010592328 Carlsbad : a medico-practical guide] (1893, by Emil Kleen, 101p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100497750 Carlsbad; its springs and spring-products] (1895, by Ludwig Sipőcz, transl. by Schuman-Leclercq)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924080776861&amp;seq=439 Harper's new monthly magazine. V.90 1894-1895] (includes Music in America by Antonín Dvořák)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041795170&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 American anthropologist v.11] (1898, incl. &quot;Study of the Normal Tibia&quot; and &quot;Physical Differences between White and Coloured Children&quot; by Aleš Hrdlička)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001677020&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=91 Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, v.10] (1898, incl. Marked Human Bones from a Prehistoric Tarasco Indian Burial Place in the State of Michoacan, Mexico. By Carl Lumholtz and Aleš Hrdlička; difficult tables)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007683799 The Carlsbad treatment for tropical and digestive ailments and how to carry it out anywhere] {1899, by Louis Tarleton Young 224p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002081203 Carlsbad, Clinical studies on the modes of action, indications for the use &amp; curative value of its mineral springs] (1910, Adolf Ritter, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010849625 A Kansas surgeon in Karlsbad] (1910, by Dr. J. C. McClintock, 122p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001781811 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1922, by Franz Puchtinger, 190p)
*By and about Ferdinand Stoliczka:
**Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal. v.38 (1869). (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=316 The Malacology of Lower Bengal and the adjoining provinces], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=250 On the Anatomy of Sagartia Schilleriana and Membranipora Bengalensis], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 Contributions towards the knowledge of Indian Arachnoidea]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655265] [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009776223] Cretaceous fauna of southern India ... (Several volumes)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c040042134&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=413 Proceedings of the California Academy of Sciences, v.5] (1873-74, includes Remarks on the death of Dr. Ferdinand Stoliczka).
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101648779 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission: Memoir of the life and work of Ferdinand Stoliczka] (1886, by V. Ball, 36 p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101816952?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka] (v1, v2)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032821241 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Geology] (49p)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044107300329&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=7 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Neuroptera] (6p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100150238 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Mamalia] (94p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655268?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Tertiary and Upper Cretaceous fauna of western India]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210020622179&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=280 Foreign seeds and plants imported by the Section of Seed and Plant Introduction, no. 1–8] (see pages 4, 5, 42, 50)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009124520 The Pteridophyta of the Island of Dominica : with notes on various ferns from tropical America] (1929, by Karel Domin, '''28p???''')
** [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000547310&amp;local_base=NKC copy in NKČR] ('''259p????''')
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001147889&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Agricultural problem in the new Europe] (1930, by Sigfried von Strakosch and Alois Chytil, partly in English, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000703953&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Georgius Prochaska: A Pioneer in Modern Physiology (1749-1820)] (after 1930, by Vladislav Kruta, VKOL)
* [https://archive.org/details/scienceholyshrou0000rwhy/page/n7/mode/2up Science and the Holy Shroud] (1936, by R. W. Hynek, transl. Augustine Studeny, 152 pages, not available at the moment)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000713927&amp;local_base=NKC Georgius Prochaska : 1749-1820 : Professor of anatomy, physiology and ophtalmology at the universities of Prague and Vienna] (1949, by Vladislav Kruta, 15p, NK CR)
* [[Author:Lubomír Masner]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001477504 The philosophical impact of contemporary physics] (1961, by Milič Čapek, 414p, AVAILABLE)

From Wikidata:
* [[wikidata:Q2982487|Stanislaus von Prowazek]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500532|Emanuel von Purkyně]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500567|Joseph Gottfried Mikan]]
* [[wikidata:Q4235284|Vincenz Franz Kosteletzky]]
* [[wikidata:Q5924438|Jacob Juratzka]]
* [[wikidata:Q12024182|Jaroslav Šulc]]
* [[wikidata:Q12017451|František Rambousek]]
* [[wikidata:Q12016933|František Bubák]]
* [[wikidata:Q13407718|Josef Poech]]
* [[wikidata:Q20651487|Jindřich Uzel]]
* [[wikidata:Q21387868|Carl Zelinka]]???
* [[wikidata:Q21516229|Josef Novák]]

''Other''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007679031 The school of infancy] (1632 by Comenius, 1858 English edition, 75p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=O_VmAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA1 A reformation of schooles] (1642, English excerpt from Didactica Magna, transl. by Samuel Hartlib, 94p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001734797 The orbis pictus of John Amos Comenius] (1658 by Comenius, 1887 English edition, 234p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066916 1777 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009708329 1810 edition]
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009353957 1887 edition with original images from 1658]
*The great didactic of John Amos Comenius: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007412251 1907 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101649243 1910 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499182 1921 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t49p2wj46&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 In Bohemia] (1905, by James Clarence Harvey; on bohemianism, not Bohemia!; illustr. by Mucha, 207p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 Angel of Peace] (1667 by Comenius, 1944(!) English edition, 125p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006544097 Bohemian Glass] (1916, by Esther Lilian Duff, 81p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008988069 Bohemian made easy] (1890, by Karel Jonáš, 294p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128448 1900 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000503659 Ériu]
** vol. 7 (1914), includes CúRói and CúChulinn by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613043852/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud_bib.htm rewritten online]
** vol. 8 (1916), includes &quot;On the antiquity of the kingship of Tara&quot; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113506/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1916a.htm rewritten online] and &quot;Notes on the Preverbal Particles and Infixed Elements&quot; by Josef Baudiš 
** vol. 9 (1921–23) includes On Tochmarc Emere by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110716080643/http://volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923a.htm rewritten online]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522714 Complete method of pyramid building] (1919, by Joseph Paskovský, tr. by Dr. R(udiš) Jičinsky and Henry Šmídl, 111p)
**[https://archive.org/details/completemethodof00paskrich/page/n119 another copy in archive.org]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000001728759&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=127&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=ji%C4%8D%C3%ADnsk%C3%BD photo of Jičínský]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523510 Proceedings of the Cambridge Philological Society] (vol. 118–120, 1921, includes &quot;Changes in Type in Indo-European&quot; by Josef Baudiš
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000499787 Philologica] (vol. 1, 1921, includes &quot;Remarks on the Welsh Verb&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtiquel] (includes &quot;On the Character of the Celtic Languages&quot; by Josef Baudiš, in vol. 39, 33—46 (1922); and 40, 104—126 (1923))
* [https://archive.org/details/educationinczech00bachuoft/page/n1 Education in Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Teresa Bach, 26p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.a0013837059&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=161 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080102737&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=369 The Louisiana Planter and Sugar Manufacturer, vol. 70] (1923, includes How Czecho-Slovakia Is Meeting Her Sugar Problems)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000586696&amp;local_base=NKC The Sokols: Spezial supplement of The Central European Observer dedicated to the VIII Sokol Festival to be held in Prague July 4-16th, 1926] (1926, Prague: Orbis, available in NK CR)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4029745&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Czech Educational Yearbook 1924] (includes Czechoslovakia by Emmanuel Lippert, 48p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001616953?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The utilisation of water power in the Czechoslovak Republic] (1926, by Josef Wolf, 12p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009086486?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Structure and development of the &quot;living matter&quot;] (1927, by F. Vejdovský, 359p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/semicentennialju00voja/page/20 The Semi-centennial jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois], (1927, by J. E. S. Vojan, 134p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001226833&amp;local_base=NKC The minority principle as a problem of political science. 1. volume] (1928, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph Rouček 45p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000543543&amp;local_base=NKC The working of the minorities system under the League of Nations] (1929, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph S. Rouček, 122p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtique] (vol. 49, 1932, includes &quot;Notes on Early Welsh Sandhi&quot; and &quot;On the Uses of the Subjunctive Mood in Welsh&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002855598 Revue Celtique] (vol. 50, 1933, includes &quot;The particle E. W. yt, yd, y&quot; by Josef Baudiš and obituary of Josef Baudiš by Joseph Vendryes)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370252 Progressive Czech (Bohemian)] (1936, by Bohumil E. Mikula, Czech textbook, includes also short texts by A. Hrdlička and T. Čapek, 538p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000399641&amp;local_base=NKC Education in Czechoslovakia] (1947, Prague: Orbis, by Jaroslav Paur, transl. by B. Goldreich, 48p)

''Dictionaries''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358697;view=1up;seq=1 Library of the World's Best Literature: Biographical dictionary] (volume 29, containing some entries on Czech authors)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358705;view=1up;seq=114 Library of the World's Best Literature: Guide to systematic readings] (volume 31, containing list of Czech authors from vol. 29)

''Periodicals''
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=005757968&amp;local_base=SKC Central European Observer]
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/573372448 Hitler threatens Czechoslovakia] (19 March 1938, St. Louis Globe-Democrat)

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[[Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos]] by [[Author:Knud Rasmussen|Knud Rasmussen]] (1930), including [[Index:Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos.djvu]]: '''To be renewed in January 2026'''

Rules for the Implementation of the Postal Law of the People's Republic of China

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Five hundred thousand strokes for freedom : a series of anti-slavery tracts, of which half a million are now first issued by the friends of the Negro : to be nominated for deletion if not improved

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The Russian Loan (should be moved to The Eastern Question/The Russian Loan)

Maragtas

Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression

Constitution of Republika Srpska - includes notes by [https://www.ohr.int/about-ohr/general-information/ OHR]

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Laws of the game

Notes sections at the bottom of various Executive Orders should be moved to their talk pages, see e. g. Executive Order 13661. Also the &quot;more info&quot; link in the header should be adjusted.

The Histories (Paton translation)

User:Masumbukujamaldin

The Exeter Book (Jebson)

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The Northern Hegaz: from p. 317 (Appendixes)

[https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ British newspaper archive]

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'''[[Portal:Central_Intelligence_Agency/National_Intelligence_Surveys#NIS_18:_Czechoslovakia]]'''

* [[Author:Francis Dvornik]]
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/european/cash/cash3.html List of some works on Czech history]
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Bibliography of Czech literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.39795/page/n33 More biblibliography]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 Bibliography in World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008717785 Chicago foreign language press survey [microform]: Czech]
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=f_FrwHK6NaUC&amp;pg=PA340 bibliography in The United States, Revolutionary Russia, and the Rise of Czechoslovakia]
* [https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/633/cia-reports-on-the-collapse-of-communism-in-europe/3 CIA reports on the collapse of communism in Europe]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20200220074120/https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-16great-teutonic-plan.html some articles on Bohemia and WWI] (1916 The Great Teutonic Plan (Tomáš Masaryk); 1918 Bohemia Ablaze With Revolt; 1918 The Ferment In Bohemia (Richard Wilmer Rowan); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Louis E. Van Norman, George Peet); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Thomas G. Masaryk))
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015079877489&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Tomáš G. Masaryk, 1850-1937: a selective list of reading materials in English] (1981, by George J. Kovtun, 26p)
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Czech and Slovak literature in English] (1988, by George Kovtun, Library of Congress)
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:ed3339c0-5b1e-11e2-8f49-005056827e51?page=uuid:611c9130-b95f-11e2-ada5-005056825209  Publications about Czechoslovakia in foreign languages]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177591&amp;local_base=AUT Books about Czechoslovakia by Joseph Robert Kerner], in NKC, mostly 1930s
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100030308 Selected bibliography of materials on education in Czechoslovakia] (1960, by Nellie Mary Apanasewicz, 37p)
* [http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n85818401/ Bibliography of Rose Rosický]
* [https://dk.uzei.cz/cdk/view/uuid:ab2cf9ef-b058-4768-96f5-80cb42aa44ef?page=uuid:14fe5800-fe28-11e8-b129-00155d012102 Bibliography of Fr. Lützow]
* books by Matthew Spinka on Comenius, Hus, Martinů… in various Czech libraries (note: some of them have renewed copyright, some are unavailable archival copies)
* [https://ncsml.historyarchives.online/home National Czech &amp; Slovak Museum &amp; Library]

* J. B. Dudek:
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=34 The Americanization of Czech given names] (American speech v.1 1925-1926)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=177 The Americanization of Czech surnames] (American speech v.1 1925-1926), same volume as above
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106019601118&amp;seq=210 The Czech language in America] (The American mercury v.5 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000478315&amp;seq=347 Czech surnames in America] (The American mercury v.6 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=315 The Bohemian Language in America – I] (American speech v.2 1926-1927)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=482 The Bohemian Language in America – II] (American speech v.2 1926-1927), same volume as above

'''To book:'''
*'''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001180290&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Caroline University of Prague : its foundation, character and development in the fourteenth century]''' (1948 by Václav Chaloupecký; transl. by V. Fried and W.R. Lee, with seventeen pictorial ilustrations, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001310874&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The rectors of the Czechoslovak universities, technological institutes, and other schools of superior education on Czech school facilities under Austrian government and on German school facilities under Czechoslovak government]''' (1938, Prague: Charles University Press, 24p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001320495&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Mapa Spojených států S. A. s označením českých osad a Republiky Československé] (aka The Bohemian settlements in the United States; 2 maps on 1 sheet 90 × 69 cm; 	Chicago : publisher August Geringer; The Bohemian Daily Svornost, [1920])
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001300283&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Yesterday and today: a survey of Czechoslovak protestantism] (ed. by Luděk Brož; foreword Ján Chabada; introduction J. L. Hromádka; Prague 1955; 55p, 12 plates; VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000452576&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Ceramics] (Prague 1953, 8p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000685724&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Motor Cycles Throughout The World (Jawa, ČZ)] (Prague, 1951, 26p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001114079&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 War Conspirators before the Court of the Czechoslovak People : is a short version of the official report which was published on behalf of the min. of justice] (Prague, 1950, 197p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001215822&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Ghetto Terezín : distant journey] (Prague, 1949, 7p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000672025&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Chemapol Czechoslovakia Praha : the Czechoslovak Chemical Industry] (Prague, 1949, 12p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000673649&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Jablonec Czechoslovakia : [Propagační brožura] : Czechoslovak Glass Work’s National Corporation] (Prague, 1949, 19p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001044802&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 On the distribution of insterstellar matter]''' (Prague 1949, by Jiří Alter, 23p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243986&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243987&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999  The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic  Promulgated on June 9th, 1948 as No. 150 of the Collection of Acts and Orders in the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (2nd edition, Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL), different from above???
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001047949&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Music. Part I, Bohemia and Moravia]''' (Prague, 1949, 113p, 132 plates, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001272398&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The economic aspect of the German occupation of Czechoslovakia] (Prague 1948, by Leopold Chmela, 166p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001054707&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The czechoslovak theatre : a collection of informative material on theatrical activities in Czechoslovakia] (Prague, 1948, 144, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000689870&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Loveliest sigt-seeing tours through Prague : the Description and Plan Given] (Prague, 1948, 6p, VKOL)
* books by Mathew Spinka

'''uploaded:'''
* [[:File:John Huss (IA jstor-30066789).pdf|John Huss]] (1857, long article in Catholic Layman)
* [[Page:Tales from the German - Oxenford.djvu/21|Libussa]] (1844, by J. H. Musaeus, in ''Tales from the German'')
* [[Index:A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language.djvu|A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language]]
* [[:Commons:File:History of Bohemia by Robert H. Vickers.pdf|History of Bohemia]] (1894, by Robert H. Vickers)
* [[:Commons:File:The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620.pdf|The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620]] (1896, by Charles Edmund Maurice)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemia; an historical sketch by the Count Lützow.pdf|Bohemia; an historical sketch]] (1910 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [[:Commons:File:Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty.pdf|Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty]] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 190p)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemian (Čech) bibliography; a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs (IA cu31924029568106).pdf|Bohemian (Čech) bibliography]]
* [[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America.pdf|The Čechs (Bohemians) in America]]; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life] (1920, by Thomas Čapek, 438p)
**[[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life (IA cu31924027019011).pdf|another uploaded copy]]
* [[:Commons:File:Pole and Czech in Silesia.pdf|Pole and Czech in Silesia]] (1921, by Alexander James Roy)
''Encyclopaedias''
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 6.djvu/790|Czechs]] (EB9)
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 12.djvu/420|Huss, John]] (EB9))
* [[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 11.djvu/253|Jirásek + Jireček]] (NIE)
* [[Page:LA2-NSRW-2-0462.jpg|Huss]] (The New Student's Reference Work)
* [[The Encyclopedia Americana (1920)/Masaryk, Thomas Garrigue]]
* [[Page:Collier's New Encyclopedia v. 02.djvu/106|Bohemia]] (Collier's New Encyclopedia, 1921)
* [[:Commons:File:Comenius - his life and principles of education (IA comeniushislifep00langiala).pdf|Comenius: His Life and Principles of Education]] (1891, by Ossian H. Lang, 26p)
'''to upload:'''

''Fiction''
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=YgzaQ5I5hM8C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Some Rules for the Conduct of Human Life, chiefly done from the Latin of J. A. Comenius] (1736, by Edward Synge)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015027523052&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=271 Poetical tracts] (1797, includes a poem &quot;Castle of Olmutz&quot;)
*[https://archive.org/details/johnhussorcounc00beatgoog John Huss; or, The Council of Constance] (1829, a poem by W. Beattie, 145p.)
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=5EsAAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA274&amp;lpg=PA274#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1843, trans. J. Bowring, in ''Rukopis kralodvorský'')
*[https://archive.org/details/manuscriptofquee00hank/page/n7/mode/2up Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1852, trans. A.H. Wratislaw, 86p., Prague edition)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t17m1gb8z the same at HathiTrust]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002517698?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Vrchlicky&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Saint Ludmila : an oratorio, op. 71] (188?, written by Jaroslav Vrchlický; music by Antonín Dvořák)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001228706 Slavonic Literature] (by W. R. Morfill, incl. Early literature of Bohemia, 264p, 1883)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015007863841 A patriotic hymn : from the Bohemian poem &quot;The heirs of the white mountain&quot;] (1884)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102222592 189? edition] (written by V. Halek, the music composed for chorus ad orchestra)
*[https://hdl.handle.net/2027/coo1.ark:/13960/t54f2c97m Sixty folk-tales from exclusively Slavonic sources] (1889, by A.H. Wratislaw, from Erben's ''Čítanka'', 315p.)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075672624&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Poet Lore vol.4] (1892, incl. transls. of Jakub Arbes-Newton's Brain; Under a Bush of Lilacs– by Josef Jiří Král and Turgenev–Hamlet and Don Quixote–by Pavel Durdík; Shakespeare in Bohemia by Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001244803?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=kopta%20bohemian&amp;ft= Bohemian legends and ballads] (1890, by Flora Pauline Wilson Kopta, 63 pages)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100220618 Myths and folk-tales of the Russians, western Slavs, and the Magyars] (1891, by Jeremiah Curtin, 555p)
*[[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 11, 1900.djvu/325|Review in ''Folk-lore, a quarterly review'' on Segnuis irritant]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100771802 North-west Slav legends and fairy stories: a sequel to Segnius irritant] (1897, by K. J. Erben, 111p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001901308 Clever tales] (1897, includes &quot;Newton's Brain&quot; and &quot;Under a Bush of Lilacs&quot; by Arbes, see also Poet Lore above)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100218401 South Slavonic folk-lore stories] (1898, by K. J. Erben)
* [https://www.loc.gov/item/00001834/ The forestman of Vimpek] (1900?, by Flora P. Kopta, 345p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008656821 Linden blossoms] (1908, by Jeffrey Doležal Hrbek, 126 p., poetry)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001069061&amp;local_base=NKC Slav Fairy Tales] (c1908, translated by R.W. Seton-Watson; illustrated by members of the Moravian society of artists, Hodonín: Sdružení výtvarných umělců moravských, 43p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070643641 Twenty Bohemian folk-songs] (1912, English and Bohemian texts, transl. and compiled by Vincent Pisek)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b199996&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 McClure's magazine v. 39] (1912, includes The Bohemian Girl by Willa Sibert Cather)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044009768474;view=1up;seq=1 Poetry, vol. 1, Oct.–March 1912–1913] (incl. article on Bohemian Poetry by Ezra Pound)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100742999 Under the hollow tree] (1913, by Vítězslav Hálek, tr. W. W. Strickland, 61p)
* [https://archive.org/details/mythslegendsofal00mars/page/n9 Myths and legends of all nations] (1914, includes The Decision of Libuscha, 272p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008658012 Rekindled fires] (1918, by Joseph Anthony (1897–1991); frontispiece by J. Ormsbee, 347p, novel about Bohemian community)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101865999 Rue with a Difference] (1920, by Charles Recht, 318p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210017182625&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=285 Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society, v.11 Apr-Oct 1918] (incl. Czecho-Slovak Leader, Thomas G. Masaryk, Visits Chicago…)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i395760 The Slavonic Review] (1922, in JSTOR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 The Slavonic Review] (1922–1927, in HathiTrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001276540 Beyond the giant mountains: tales from Bohemia] (1923, by Adolf Wenig, 95p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112124419117&amp;seq=350&amp;q1=hrbkova Our World, volume 4] (1923-1924, includes The Czecho-Slovaks in America by Sarka B. Hrbkova, and Is Our Education Wrong?  about Franz Čižek)
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.527312/page/1/mode/2up An Atomic Phantasy (Krakatit)] (1925, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Edward Lawrence Hyde, 294p) – different edition from [[Krakatit]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015030884996&amp;seq=18 Great short stories of the world] (1926, ed. by Barrett H. Clark &amp; Maxim Lieber, 1072p, includes The Vampire by Neruda and Foltýn's Drum by Čech, translated by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000120372 Twenty-five short plays international, selected and edited by Frank Shay] (1926, includes &quot;The Witness&quot; by Vrchlický)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001508438&amp;local_base=NKC The wise jeweler and other tales from Czechoslovaki] (1928, translated by Madame Norbert F. Čapek (i.e. Mája Čapková-Oktávcová?); illustrated by Cyril Bouda, 136p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030718147&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Prague Poet Lore, vol. 39] (1928, includes The Golem by H. Leivick, tr. by J. C. Augenlicht)
* [https://kramerius.lib.cas.cz/view/uuid:78e38868-15c7-45e6-85d2-3636d7f6d028 Panslavonic Folk-Lore in Four Books] (1930, By W. W. Strickland and K. J. Erben, 468p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003926479 An anthology of Czechoslovak literature] (1929, by Paul Selver, 301p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370456 Great essays of all nations] (1929, edited by F. H. Pritchard, includes essays by J. Neruda and K. Čapek)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/id/5205/rec/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life, vol. 21, no. 1] (November 1930, includes The Disappearance of Mr. Hirsch by Karel Čapek, translated by Charles Heitzman)
* [https://archive.org/details/talesfromfarnear00rhys/page/n5/mode/2up Tales from far and near] (1930, includes &quot;An Attempt at Murder&quot; from Tales from Two Pockets by Karel Čapek) LIMITED PREVIEW ONLY
* The good soldier Schweik (1930+, by Jaroslav Hašek, transl. by Paul Selver, ilustr. by Josef Lada, AVAILABLE in NKP)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006852389 The gardener's year] (1931, by Karel Čapek; illustrated by Josef Čapek, 160p)
* [The Slav anthology: Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Serbian, Croatian] (1931, translated by Edna Worthley Underwood, 346p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001858264 Letters from Spain] (1932, by Karel C̈apek; translated by Paul Selver, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001271791 Thirty years in the golden north] (1932, by Jan Welzl, translated by Paul Selver, with a foreword by Karel Čapek, 336p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009507037 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008561702 Fairy tales] (1933, by Karel Čapek; with one extra as a makeweight by Joseph Čapek; illustrated by Joseph Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 288p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000422707 Letters from Holland] (1933, by Karel Čapek, translated by Paul Selver, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906943 Dashenka: or, The life of a puppy] [1933, written, drawn, photographed and endured by Karel Čapek; translated by M. &amp; R. Weatherall, 74p]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370302 Hordubal] (1934, by Karel Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 249p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906951 Meteor] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 255p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702820 another copy]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000995224&amp;local_base=NKC Intimate things] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by Dora Round, 176p)
* [http://scriptum.cz/soubory//scriptum/%5Bnode%5D/amerikan_1944_ocr.pdf Amerikán] (contains An open letter the the unconquerable Czechoslovaks, page 198, by Joseph Auslander, 1944)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029764&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Hundred towers: a Czechoslovak anthology of creative writing] (New York, 1945, edited, and with an introduction by F.C. Weiskopf, 277p, VKOL) COPYRIGHT RENEWED
* OSERS, E., MONTGOMERY, J. K. (eds., trs.). Modern Czech Poetry: An Anthology. Published for Prague Press by George Allien &amp; Unwin. 1945.
* SELVER, P. (ed., tr.). A Century of Czech and Slovak Poetry. London: The New Europe Publishing and The Prague Press, [1946].
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4363376 The Russian folk epos in Czech literature, 1800-1900] (1951, by Harkins, William Edward, 282p, AVAILABLE )
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001077887&amp;local_base=NKC Anthology of Czech literature] (1953, ed. by William E. Harkins, 226p, publ. in New York, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* URWIN, I. (tr.). Four Czech Short Stories. Praha: Orbis. 1957.

''On literature and authors''
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=mKLzWShDCqIC&amp;pg=PA145#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false History of Bohemian Literature] (1828, in The Foreign Quarterly Review, by John Bowring?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001058767?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Therese%20Robinson&amp;ft= Historical view of the languages and literature of the Slavic nations] (1850, by Therese A. L. Robinson, 412p., includes also a few poems)
* [https://archive.org/details/nativeliteratur01wratgoog/page/n6 The native literature of Bohemia in the fourteenth century]  (1878, by A.H. Wratislaw, 185p.)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924065545083&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=52 Bohemian Literature in the Fourteenth Century] (1878, review of Wratislaw’s book by A. W. Ward in Macmillan's magazine. v.38)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c3470732&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=601 Athenaeum, No. 2461] (incl. Bohemia by Durdík)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041040726;view=1up;seq=11 Famous composers and their works, vol. 1] (1900, article on B. Smetana, p. 173–182)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89063018212;view=1up;seq=380 By a Real Bohemian of Real Bohemia] (In ''Life'', 25 May 1911, on Jaroslav Kvapil)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128416 The life of John Kollár] (c1917, by John Kulamer, 32p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011726769 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography: a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs] (c1918, by Thomas Čapek and Anna Vostrovský Čapek, 256p, 23 plates)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075716942;view=1up;seq=214 The Freeman, vol. 6, 1922–23] (incl. articles on R.U.R., p. 208, and The World We Live In, p. 305)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020474972&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=365 The Best plays. 1922/1923] (incl. retold R. U. R.)
* [https://archive.org/details/rurrossumsuniver00apek_0/page/98/mode/2up R. U. R. (Rossum’s Universal Robots)] (1923, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Paul Selver, 99p); different (better) edition than [[R. U. R. (Rossum's Universal Robots)]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015022188950&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=87 Theatre arts. v.7 1923] (incl. Czechoslovak puppet shows by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007479145?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=chudoba%20A%20Short%20Survey%20of%20Czech%20Literature&amp;ft= A short survey of Czech literature] (1924, by František Chudoba, 280p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015040082854&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=287 Theatre arts. v.8 pt2 1923] (incl. Prague by Cloyd Head and some bits on R. U. R.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001902191 Contemporary movements in European literature] (1928, edited by William Rose and J. Isaacs, includes &quot;Czechoslovakia&quot; by Paul Selver, p.197–226)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002476774&amp;local_base=SK Jan Kollar : a poet of Panslavism] (1942, by R. A. Ginsburg, 14p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001003198 Encyclopedia of literature] (1946, includes &quot;Czech Literature&quot; in volume 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001231413 A literature in crisis: Czech literature, 1938-1950] (1954, by Milada Součková, 158p.) AVAILABLE
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000980975 Karel C̆apek] (1962, by William E. Harkins, publ. in New York, 193p., DOWNLOADED)

''Art''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101829758?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (ca. 1680, only etchings by Hollar after Holbein, 30 sheets)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100235837 A description of the works of the ingenious delineator and engraver Wenceslaus Hollar] (1759, by George Vertue, mostly catalogue + something about Hollar, 151p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621330 Dance of Death] (1804, painted by Holbein, engraved by Hollar, 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621179?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (1816, with paintings by Holbein engraved by Hollar, incl. text., 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100237457 Exhibition of a selection from the work of Wenceslaus Hollar] (1875, about Hollar and his works, no pictures)
* [https://archive.org/details/frick-31072001464389/page/n3/mode/2up Catalogue of paintings by Vacslav Brozik] (1902, 60p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044039051354&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Art and archaeology vol11] (1921, incl. The Arts of Czechoslovakia by Hrdlička, Chotek and Heidrich, 46p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001469737?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Wenceslaus Hollar and his views of London and Windsor in the seventeenth century] (1922, by Arthur M. Hind 92p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100439660 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia]] (1922, exhibition of prints from the private collection of Henry J. John., Introduction and biografical [sic] data by Ladislav Urban, 30p, 14 plates)

''History''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=msu.31293010057267&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=122&amp;q1=bohemians Letter of Joan of Arc to the Bohemians] (1430, in The life of Joan of Arc, vol. 2, 1908, by Anatole France)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415541 The history of the Council of Constance] (1730, by Jacques Lenfant, 2 vols, 720+680pp)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015078569400&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=70 Literary relics] (1789, incl. letters from King Charles II., King James II., the Queen of Bohemia, Swift..., 415p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=AtwCAAAAQAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Life, Legend, and Canonization of St. John Nepomucen] (1873, by Albert Henry Wratislaw, 81p)
**[https://archive.org/search.php?query=Life%2C%20Legend%2C%20and%20Canonization%20of%20St.%20John%20Nepomucen more copies in Internet Archive]
* [https://archive.org/details/livesofjohnwicli00gilp/page/n7 The lives of John Wicliff and of the most eminent of his disciples; Lord Cobham, John Huss, Jerome of Prague, and Zisca] (1765, by Gilpin, William)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008616943 1814 edition] (288p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah6348&amp;seq=333 The Lives, Prophecies, Visions and Revelations of Christopher Kotterus and Christina Poniatonia] (by J. A. Comenius, in Prophetical Extracts, 1795)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009730719 Germany, Bohemia, and Hungary, visited in 1837] (1839, by G. R. Gleig, 3 volumes, probably only 2 about Bohemia and Moravia)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530842?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= John Huss: a memoir, illustrating some of the workings of popery in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries] ([by Georg Lommel], 1841, 136p.)
**[https://books.google.cz/books?id=NZmpPdGbXpQC&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.l0059624999;view=1up;seq=9 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc1.50178530;view=1up;seq=5 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.+Preface)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007352512?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1840-1849&amp;ft= The reformation and anti-reformation in Bohemia] (1845, by C. A. Pescheck, 2 vols.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100196810?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= The martyrs of Bohemia: or, Brief memoirs of John Huss and Jerome of Prague.] (1846, 237p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uWoCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA265#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false North American Review, vol. 65] (1847, incl. The Life and Letters of John Huss)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=yGFlAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad and Its Mineral Springs Medically, Socially and Locally Considered] (1847, by Rudolph Mannl, 140p)
* [https://archive.org/details/documentsrelativ02brod/page/88/mode/2up Documents relative to the colonial history of the state of New York, vol. 2] (1853, includes ''Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland'' and ''Messrs. Heermans and Waldron to Director Stuyvesant'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935347 The Council of Constance, and the war in Bohemia] (1855, by Richard Cattermole, 304p.)
* [https://www.google.cz/books/edition/Documents_relative_to_the_colonial_histo/oC0OAAAAQAAJ Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the state of New York] (1856, includes ''The Nine Men of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Petition of the Commonalty  of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.) ''Additional Observations on the preceding Petions'' (by Herman et al.), ''Resolution of the States General on the Petitions of Augustyn Herman and others'', ''Select Men of New Amsterdam to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Extract of two letters from Augustin Herman–Stuyvesant does as he pleases'' and ''Extract of a letter from Augustin Herman–Van Tienhoven returned and exposed by the basket-maker’s daughter'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499648 Travels in Bohemia: with a walk through the highlands of Saxony] (1857, by An Old Traveller, 2 volumes in 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007684992 A July holiday in Saxony, Bohemia, and Silesia] (1857, Walter White, 305p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-30066789/page/n1 John Huss] (1857, in The Catholic Layman, 3p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=ioVpAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad in Bohemia and Its Mineral-springs] (1858, by Rudolph Mannl, 151p)
* [https://archive.org/details/BohemiaUnderAustrianDepotism/page/n0 Bohemia Under Austrian Despotism] (1859, by Anthony Michael Dignowity, 236p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057698106&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=207 Wesleyan-Methodist Magazine, v.83] (1860, incl. Constance and John Huss)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001942325?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Life%20and%20times%20of%20John%20Huss&amp;ft= The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 1] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 632p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530740 3rd edition] (1871)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002073106859;view=1up;seq=7 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 2] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 651p.)
** [https://archive.org/details/lifetimesof02gill/page/n5 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century] (1870, by Ezra Hall Gillet)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89097238216;view=1up;seq=1 American criticism ; or, the North American review and the &quot;Life and times of John Huss.&quot;] (1866, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008627104 Church constitution of the Bohemian and Moravian Brethren: the original Latin, with a translation, notes, and introduction] (1866, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by B. Seifferth, 200p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592567?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Heroes%20of%20Bohemia&amp;ft= Heroes of Bohemia : Huss, Jerome and Zisca] (c1871, by John William Mears, 350p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005786077 The infallibility of the Pope at the Council of Constance; the trial of Hus, his sentence and death at the stake, in two letters by a member of the council, Fra Poggius, to his friend and brother in Christ, Leonhard Nikolai] (1930 edition of 1875 forgery, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008925660?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The gospel in Bohemia : sketches of Bohemian religious history] (1877, by E. Jane Whately, 182p.)
* [http://kramerius.nkp.cz/kramerius/handle/ABA001/11338567 Few words on the native question] (1877, by Emil Holub, 8p, downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101063842239&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=362 Report of proceedings of the first General Presbyterian Council, convened at Edinburgh, July, 1877] (includes some texts by Vincent Dusek)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000861979&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=847 Report of proceedings of the Second General Council of the Alliance, convened at Philadelphia, September, 1880] (includes 2 texts by Ferdinand Císař)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012410227?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Conrad : a tale of Wiclif and Bohemia] (1881, by Emma Leslie, 293p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066931 John Amos Comenius: bishop of the Moravians, his life and educational works] (1881, by S. S. Laurie., 239p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705219?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Wratislaw%2C%20Albert%20Henry%2C%201822-1892.%22&amp;ft= John Hus the commencement of resistance to papal authority on the part of the inferior clergy] (1882, A.H. Wratislaw, 408p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015035866832&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=160 Proceedings of the Department of Superintendence of the National Educational Association…] (1881, includes 3 texts on Comenius)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001603107?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Wiclif%20and%20Hus&amp;ft= Wiclif and Hus] (1884, by Johann Loserth, 366p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007678296 Life of Right Rev. John N. Neumann, D.D., of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer. Fourth bishop of Philadelphia.] (1884, by Johan Berger, transl. Eugene Grimm, 457p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000554594 History of the Thirty Years' War] (1884, by Antonín Gindely, transl. by Andrew Ten Brook, 2 vols., 456+456p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003937486 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006663301 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100422942 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100723745 1898 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681802 Carlsbad and its environs] (1886, by John Merrylees, 199p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001643796?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Ancient families of Bohemia manor; their homes and their graves] (1888, by Charles Payson Mallery, 74p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951002232992o&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=147 Fund-Publications No. 30] (1889, by Maryland Hist. Society, includes A Maryland Manor (on A. Herman) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000122810280&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=101 Proceedings of the New Jersey Historical Society. ... ser.2,v.11-12 1890-1893] (includes Augustin Herrman, Bohemian, 1605–1686) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/421244415/?terms=%22frances%2Bgregor%22 The Severence News] (10 Apr. 1891, incl. The Women of Bohemia, by Frances Gregor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t2h78b35b&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=346 The Pennsylvania magazine of history and biography. ... v.15] (1891, includes Copy of the Will of Augustine Herrman; of Bohemia Manor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3508915&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Educational Review, vol. 3] (1892, includes 5 texts on Comenius)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/207040709/?terms=herman The Sun, 23 Oct. 1892] (includes Lord of Bohemia Manor, author E. N. Vallandigham according to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x004383259&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=51 this source])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100113615?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=story%20of%20bohemia&amp;ft= Wenzel's inheritance, or, Faithful unto death] (1893, by Annie Lucas, 404p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007695759 Pictures from Bohemia drawn with pen and pencil] (1894, by James Baker, 192p., 108 illustr.)
**[https://archive.org/details/pictures_from_bohemia/page/n13 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006523097 The Gypsy road] (1894, by Grenville A. J. Cole, 166p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ucw.ark:/13960/t0pr7wm6z&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=848 400 years of freethought] (by Samuel P. Putnam, 1894, 874p., includes chapters Modern Bohemia, p.634–637 and Jaroslav Vostrovsky, p.814)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112051960257&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=32 Music, vol. 8] (incl. Stimuli to Genius by J. J. Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008318615 Johnson's universal cyclopædia] (1893–1897, articles by Josef Jiří Král in vols 4 to 6)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006773706 The history of the church known as the Unitas Fratrum, Or, The unity of the Brethren, founded by the followers of John Hus, The Bohemian reformer and martyr] (1885, by Edmund de Schweinitz, 693p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396 Bohemia:An Historical Sketch] (1896 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-03/ed-1/?sp=5&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.163,0.493,0.567,0.355,0 Riots break out anew in Prague] (New York journal and advertiser, December 3, 1897)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-07/ed-1/?sp=6&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.526,-0.092,0.52,0.647,0 The Austrian Crazy Quilt] (By Thomas Čapek, in New York journal and advertiser, December 7, 1897)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001155563 Communism in central Europe in the time of the reformation] (1897, by Karl Kautsky, 293p.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002805954&amp;local_base=NK Short life of the venerable servant of God John Nepomucene Neumann, C.SS.R., Bishop of Philadelphia] (1897, by J. Magnier, 99p, Available in NKCR)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002949044&amp;local_base=SKC The Bohemian Question] (1898, by František Lützow, excerpt from The nineteenth Century. Dec. 1898. Vol. XI-IV. No. 262; avaliable in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100542963?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1900&amp;ft= 1866 in Boemia] (1900, by Enrico Barone, 2 vols)
* [https://archive.org/details/freechurchinland23amer The free church in the land of John Huss] (1899, 24p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064475369 The Nineteenth Century] (v. 46. December 1899, Austria at the End of the Century, by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= A History of Bohemian Literature] (1899, by Fr. Lützow, London:Heinemann, 425p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100554414?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1900 version] (New York: D. Appleton and Company)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001853985?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1907 edition] (London:Heinemann)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.31103/page/n7 1917 edition] (London:Heinemann)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066921 Comenius and the beginnings of educational reform] (1900, by W. S. Monroe, 184p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006495751 1912 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009015462 The British-American guide to Carlsbad] (1900, by S. A. Arany, 89p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935375 The Council of Constance to the death of John Hus; being the Ford lectures delivered in the University of Oxford in Lent term, 1900]] (by James Hamilton Wylie, 192p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100759243 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001463573 The universal anthology; a collection of the best literature, ancient, mediæval and modern] (by Richard Garnett et al., publ. 1899–1902, volume 29?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006524330?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22The%20Age%20of%20Hus%22&amp;ft= The dawn of the Reformation] (1902, by Herbert B. Workman, volume 2: The age of Hus, 374p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015038792795&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=984 Outline v 73] (1903, includes The Bohemian in America by Edward A. Steiner)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001473603 The follies of science at the court of Rudolph II, 1576-1612] (1904, by Henry Carrington Bolton 217p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006801133 Carlsbad as it was and is. A guide for visitors] (1904, by Josef Ruff, 176p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001966103?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Prague%20and%20its%22&amp;ft= Prague and its Environs] (1905, 49p)
**[https://archive.org/details/pragueanditsenv00firgoog/page/n5 another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishhistorica21londuoft/page/566 The English Historical Review, vol. 21, 1906] (incl. art. by Fr. Lützow: ''Geschichte Böhmens'' on the work of Adolf Bachmann, p.562–566)
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 17, 1906.djvu/265|The Czech Ethnographical Review]] (1906, by F. P. Marchant, in Folk-Lore, a quarterly review)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433068282668&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=298 Champlain educator, vol. 25] (1906, incl. The Catholic Bohemians of the United States, by Valentine Kohlbeck)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3609490&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=353 Maryland historical magazine. v.1] (1906, includes The Labadists of Bohemia Manor by Geo. Armistead Leakin)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia&amp;id=njp.32101064485293&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=968&amp;num=890 Who's who in Ameria] (1906/07 edition, articles including expression &quot;Bohemia&quot;, among others article on Aleš Hrdlička)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000638860 more volumes]
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusswitness00kuhn/page/n5 John Huss : The Witness] (c1907, by Oscar Kuhns, 174p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080394128&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=906 The Christian Register, v.86] (1907, incl. 2 texts by Masaryk, p. 898 and 1146)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/search/page/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life] (1909–1931)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415842 Pope John the Twenty-third, and Master John Hus of Bohemia] (1910, Eustace J. Kitts, 446p)
* [https://archive.org/details/narrativesofearl0013hall/page/n13/mode/2up Narratives of early Maryland, 1633-1684] (1910, by Clayton Colman Hall, 460p, includes Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland by Augustine Herrman, 1659)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705651 Bohemia, 1866] (1912, by Neill Malcolm, 146p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100598205 Guide to the royal city of Prague and to the kingdom of Bohemia] (1911, 224p)
** [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028173197/page/n157 1912 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100769714 another 1912 copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000519209 Essays by divers hands, being the transactions of the Royal Society of Literature] (vol. 30, 1911, includes Later thoughts on the apostles of Moravia and Bohemia by Francis Lützow, p. 225–243)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia;id=loc.ark%3A%2F13960%2Ft8cg01b61;view=1up;seq=9;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Some Bohemians in the Notable men of Illinois &amp; their state] (1912)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007693836 A primer of civics designed for the guidance of the immigrant] (1912, by J. J. Zmrhal, 66p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.23492417 The Fortnightly. v.100] (1913, includes Bohemian Sokol by Walter Jerrold, 12p, PDF ALREADY DOWNLOADED)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005974279 Sadowa: a study] (1913, by H. Bonnal ; translated from the French by C.F. Atkinson, 255p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011224886 The Bohemians; a study of the &quot;Land of the cup and the book&quot;] (c1914, by Edith Fowler Chase, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.65548665&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=893 North American Review, vol. 200] (Dec. 1914, incl. Nationalism in Bohemia and Poland by Herbert Adolphus Miller, see also [https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-14nationalism-in-bohemia.html])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009561194 The position of the Bohemians (Czechs) in the European war] (1915, 40p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001636353 Some new sources for the life of Blessed Agnes of Bohemia, including a fourteenth century Latin version] (1915, by Walter W. Seton, 176p)
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusmartyrofb00schw/page/n7 John Hus: The Martyr of Bohemia] (1915, by William Nathaniel Schwarze, 152p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004260397 Current History, v3] (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=493 Problem of Small Nations in the Crisis of Europe] by Masaryk, December 1915, p425, and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1107 Bohemia], February 1916, p991]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100590965?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Declaration of the Bohemian (Czech) Foreign Committee : Comments of London papers.] (1915, 16p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101033289800 Collections of the Kansas State Historical Society, v.13 (1913-14)] (1915, includes Bohemians in Central Kansas by Francis J. Swehla, 45p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-25108350/page/n1 An Uncouth Slav Dialect] (1915, by Charles Pergler, from The North American Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102628654 A memorial to the International] (1915, Socialist Party (US), Bohemian Section, 40p., 4 languages)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/33250805 John Huss] (6 July 1915, The Times)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=NruraRZNWI4C Semi-millennial Commemoration of the Jan Hus Martyrdom, Burned at the Stake in Constance, July Sixth, Fourteen Hundred and Fifteen] (1915, by Herbert Adolphus Miller; Francis Lützow; Šárka B Hrbková)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006743351&amp;local_base=SKC a copy in Náprstkovo muzeum]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100585249 The problem of small nations in the European crisis] (1916, by T. G. Masaryk, 32p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015050652984&amp;seq=212 The New York times current history of the European war v.7] (1916 Apr-Jun, includes The Great Teutonic Plan by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009567294 Bohemian hopes and aspirations] (c1916, by Charles Pergler, 17p.)
**[https://archive.org/details/bohemianczechhop00perg another copy]
**[https://www.loc.gov/item/17020017/ another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008016872 Pamphlets on Czechoslovakia] (1916, by Seton-Watson, illustrations?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600174?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Austrian terrorism in Bohemia] (1916?, by T. G. Masaryk, 38p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006829694?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=bohemian%20in%20america&amp;ft= Orgán bratrstva–Brotherhood Organ], vol. 24, 1916 (in Czech, includes some English texts, e. g. on Karel Havlíček B., Comenius...)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 9 and 10 (1916), includes Bohemia: Her story and her claims by F. P. Marchant, p. 147, and A fair hearing and no favour, p. 363 (downloaded)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012288821?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D The Country gentleman] (vol. 81, 1 July 1916, includes New Bohemia, Virginia; colony of alien farmers, by  R. G. Carroll)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063560 The New Europe] (1916–20)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100370849 Bohemia; a brief evaluation of Bohemia's contribution to civilization] (1917,ed. by J. J. Zmrhal and Vojta Beneš, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4806447&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=839 The North American Review, vol. 206] (1917, Bohemian Appreciation by Pergler, Bohemia the Submerged Front by Stephen Bonsal)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1172239/page/n1 The Austrian Problem] (1917, by Charles Pergler, in Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science in the City of New York, Volume 7)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012266476?type%5B%5D The Literary Digest] (includes Our Bohemian Fighters in v54? 23 June 1917? or 1920?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008569287?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czechoslovak%20review&amp;ft= The Bohemian Review / The Czechoslovak Review] (1917–1924)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044083330506&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=55 Volume 5] (1921, includes Sunflower by Machar, Well of Oblivion by Vrchlický, and poems by Březina, Sova, Bezruč)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000743549b;view=1up;seq=8 Volume 6] (1922, includes articles &quot;The World We Live In&quot; on Karel Čapek, &quot;Czech Literature&quot; and &quot;Note on Petr Bezruč&quot; by P. Selver, poems by Zeyer and Sova, Machar, Čech, Březina, Vrchlický, Sládek, Kvapil, Neruda-Kosmic Songs,...)

* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100587017 Should Austria-Hungary exist?] (1918, by Charles Pergler, 24p, reprinted from the The Yale Review, see below)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057529772&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=320 The Yale Review, new ser., v.7] (January 1918, includes Should Austria-Hungary exist? by Charles Pergler)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/478668799/ Sioux City Journal from Sioux City, Iowa] (September 7, 1918, includes article on Charles Pergler)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100678057 Austrian socialism and the present war] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 15p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462 American Leader] (1918, includes Four New Nations by L. N. Hammerling, The oppressed in Austria-Hungary by Ira E. Bennet, The Czechoslovaks in America by Jaroslav Císař)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101057051789&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=545&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=pergler The Bohemian question] (in Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 72)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435005668553;view=1up;seq=18 The demands of the Bohemian people] (1917, by Jaroslav F. Smetánka, 13p)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015047660116&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=171 original article in The Journal of international relations. v.8 no.2, Oct. 1917]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011817428 Economic strength of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) lands] (1918, by Vojta Beneš, tr. J. F. Smetanka, 23p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008733148?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Meeting of the Lawyers Club ... New York City. Subject: Czecho-Slovako--Middle Europe] (1918, incl. contribution by Masaryk, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography] (1918)
* [https://archive.org/details/slavsofaustriahu00hrbk/page/n5 The Slavs of Austria-Hungary] (1918, by Šárka Hrbková, 30p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1945847/page/n1 Recognition of the Czechoslovak Nation] (1918, in  The American Political Science Review, Volume 12)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 13 and 14, (1918), incl. The Cecho-Slovaks in Russia and the British Declaration, by F. P. Marchant (downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000689119&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=194 The Independent, vol. 95] (1918, incl. The Czech Revolt)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20645911/ letter to the editor] (New York Times, Feb. 1918, G. H. Mika and Ch. Pergler challenging Wilson’s decision to maintain Hapsburg Empire)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210016795583&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=331 New Outlook v. 118] (1918, incl. The Army of Victory or Death by G. H. Mika)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462&amp;q1=bohemian American leader. v.13] (1918, includes The Czechoslovak in America by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.d0000703181&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=520&amp;q1=ferment The World’s Work, vol. 35] (1918, no. 5 includes The Ferment in Bohemia, by Richard Wilmer Rowan)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064466194&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=233 Peace via Austria] (in The Unpopular Review, v. 10, 1918, by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=402&amp;q1=hazen The Czecho-Slovaks, part 1] (12 October 1918, by Charles Downer Hazen, in The Saturday Evening Post)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=475&amp;q1=hazen part 2]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009261801 German trade and the war: commercial and industrual conditions in war time and the future outlook] (1918, by Chauncey Depew Snow and J. J. Král; includes appendices by Masaryk and Rašín; 236p; extensive tables)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000067504909&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=10 Asia, vol. 18] (1918, includes articles The Fighting Czechoslovakia by Maynard Owen Williams, The Future Czechoslovak State by Charles Pergler, The Singing Czechoslovaks by Louise Llewellyn and Prague, city of seven hills: Eight Etchings by J. C. Vondrous)
* [https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/page/n14 The campaign in Bohemia 1866]
**[https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofprague00lutz/page/n9 The story of Prague]
* [https://archive.org/details/onplainpeaksport00hodgiala/page/n7 On plain and peak]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028101073/page/n0 Bohemia and the Čechs] (110, by Monroe W. S., 488p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/germansinbohemia00berlrich/page/n3 The Germans in Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064078957&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=114 Pearson's magazine. v.38] (July 1917-Apr. 1918, includes The Czechs and their Bohemia and other articles by or about Guido Bruno)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000668193&amp;local_base=SKC The Czechoslovak Republic : travelling Information and Literature, Circular Drives through the Town of Prague] (between 1918 and 1938?)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814534&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak Republic, Prague : The Union for Promoting Tourist Traffic to the Czechoslovak Republic] (after 1922, same as above or different????)
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028113185/page/n1 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]
* [https://archive.org/details/presidentmasaryk00sarorich/page/n5 President Masaryk and the spirit of Abraham Lincoln]
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:b7eb9220-9b86-11e5-84c7-005056827e52?page=uuid:8311f5f0-b3d0-11e5-82dc-5ef3fc9bb22f Prussian Upper Silesia and the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 15p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814521&amp;local_base=NKC Těšín Silesia, an integrant part of the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600179 The rise of the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1919, by Aleš Brož, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401184 Leslie's photographic review of the great war]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010107669 Czecho-Slovak secondary schools] (1919, by Karel Velemínský, The Czecho-Slovak Republic ; Vol. IV., Part 3)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t0tq6ck2w;view=1up;seq=5 Protocol to the Treaty of Peace with Germany] (1919, sign. among others Karel Kramář)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010656316 Report on labor situation of Austria, Hungary, and the Czecho-Slovak Republic] (1919?, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596215 Czechs and Poles in Těšín Silesia] (1919, by Jan Hejret, transl. Otakar Vočadlo, 10p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Charles%20Pergler&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak State] (1919, by Charles Pergler, 32p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1014141/page/n1 An Experiment in Progressive Government. The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Charles Pergler, in  Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 84.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005874109?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= In the world war] (1919, by Ottokar Czernin, 352p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041802984&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=43 Geographical review. vol8] (1919, incl. Czecho-Slovakia and its people, by Milivoy S. Stanoyevich, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030227774&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=176 Publications of the Nebraska State Historical Society, vol. 19] (1919, includes Bohemians in Nebraska by Šárka B. Hrbková, different from Boh. in N. published in Bohemian Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005594518 American deportation and exclusion laws: a report] (submitted by Charles Recht, Counsel, to the N.Y. Bureau of Legal Advice, January 15, 1919)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785209 In the matter of L. C. A. K. Martens, an alleged alien] (1920?, by Charles Recht, attorney, 104p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401753?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= 1920 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89095908877&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=221 The Americas, vol. 5, 1919] (incl. Picturesque Old Bohemia to be a New Market for American Products, 11p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924066373345&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=655 Outlook, New outlook. v.121 1919] (incl. A Panorama of Central Europe: An authorized interview with Dr. Thomas G. Masaryk…, by Gregory Mason)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 The Literary Digest v.61:no.1511-1516 (1919)]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=33 Bohemians in the United States]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=496 The plain and illuminating tale of a Czecho-Slovak private] (reprinted from the Bohemian Review, vol. 2, December no.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn46bh&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=559 The American review of reviews v.59 (1919)] (incl. The Music of the Czechoslovaks)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100165019 Bohemia's endeavors at world's peace arbitration and world's federation] (1919, by Leon Zelenka Lerando, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006670800 The right of the Germans of Bohemia to dispose of themselves] (c1919, a speech delivered by Dr. Rudolph Lodgman von Auen, 12p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.ax0003286820 Treaty between the principal Allied and associated powers and Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, 11p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz/F/6QNRJHMS9B2XR1I3AT6265BYK8RP7MD36RYQBYR8K1EXJG682A-28037?func=full-set-set&amp;set_number=008954&amp;set_entry=000427&amp;format=999 Geographical sketch, outline of the history and importance of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) State] (1919, by Stanislav Nikolau, 34p, VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008729796 Agricultural schools in Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, by Fr. Sitenský, 28p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:3fab3f30-d44b-11e3-b110-005056827e51 Insurance companies: The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Karel Svoboda, 18p, KRAMERIUS online)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.18645619&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=546 The Public, v.22] (1919, incl. President Masaryk of Bohemia by E. F. Prantner)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032310047&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=174 Transactions, vol.21] (1919, includes Comenius and Harvard College by Albert Matthews)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005207215 Eastern Europe] (1919–1922, journal, includes &quot;Czech and Slovak&quot; by Baudiš, &quot;The Danubian Federation&quot; by J. Císař, &quot;Modern Czech Literature&quot; by P. Selver and others in vol. 5, &quot;The foundations of Czech culture&quot; by Baudiš in vol. 6)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/844899365/ Freeport Journal-Standard 8 May 1919] (includes Prague, The Capital of The Czechoslovaks by Donald L. Breed; linked from [[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 3/Current Topics (6)]])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/103093870 Czecho-Slovak music and the British press]. Report on the Czecho-Slovak festival in London (May 25th-June 3rd, 1919), with press comments. (1919, 86p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000020200800&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=297 Current Opinion, v66] (includes article The importance of the Czecho-Slovak state to Europe, by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924062393743 Current history, vol. 11] (1920)
**Religious problems of Czechoslovakia (very short)
**Event in two new Slavic states (3+p., includes New Czechoslovak cabinet)
**Three founders of the Czech (sic) Republic (by Louise Weiss, 3p)
* [https://archive.org/details/geographicalimpo00fodouoft/page/6 The geographical impossibility of the Czech State]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000335479 The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life, by Thomas Čapek] (1920)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101076459658&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=245 The Catholic historical review, new ser. vol. 1] (1922, review of The Cechs (Bohemians) in America)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001127423 The Czechs and Slovaks in American banking] ([1920], by Thomas Čapek, 60p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006084362?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Economic and social position of women in the Czechoslovak republic] (1920, by Plamínková, 19p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144223?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The Czecho-slovak national movement] (1920?, 3p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006691947 A history of Czechs (Bohemians) in Nebraska] (1929, by Rose Rosický, 492p., maps, &lt;u&gt;FULL VIEW&lt;/u&gt;)
* Augustine Herman : 1606-1686, founder of Bohemia manor (1929, by Henry Arthur Stump, not to be found anywhere)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=karel&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Jugoslavs and the Czechoslovak Republic] (1920, Czecho-Slovak Foreigner's Office, 12p.)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/dcmsiabooks.ourlittleczechos00winl/?st=gallery Our Little Czecho-Slovak Cousin] (1920, by Clara Vostrovsky Winlow, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813 Jugoslavs and the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1920, by Karel Kadlec, 12p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006270976 The land question] (1920, by Joseph Macek, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063431 Bohemia and Moravia] (1920, by H. M. Stationery Office, 109p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006271892 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]. (1920, collected under the direction of Jar. Císař by Fr. Pokorný and P. Selver. 83p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604490 The Czechoslovak Republic] (1921, Císař, Jaroslav, Pokorný, František, 197p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005906607 The problem of Upper Silesia] (1921, by Sidney Osborne, 180p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/otakarbezinastud00selv/page/30 Otakar Březina : A study in Czech literature] (1921)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702846 Another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008367261?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czecho Slovak Republic] (1921, by R. W. Seton Watson, 14p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144216?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Three years of the Czechoslovak republic, a survey of its progress and achievements] (1921, by Aleš Brož, 40p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/cechbohemiancomm00cape_0/page/n0 The Čechoslovaks : The Čech (Bohemian) community of New York] (1921, by Thomas Čapek, 93p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001432116 The eight-hour day act and its application to agriculture in Czecho-Slovakia] (1921, 96p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100163976?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Lutzow&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The life &amp; times of Master Jan Hus]] (1921 edition, by Count Lützow, 372p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000080211 Transactions of the Celtic Congress] (1921 vol. includes The Re-Establishment of the Czech Literary Language by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113231/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923c.htm rewritten online]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.096959409&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=657&amp;q1=comenius School and Society, vol. 13] (1921, includes The spirit of Jan Amos Comenius in the education of the Czechoslovak Republic by B. (Bedřich?) Stepanek)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008914617 The foreign policy of Czechoslovakia, speech of Dr. E. Beneš ... in the House of Deputies, 27 January, 1921] (1921, by Edvard Beneš, 35p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000336409 The Czecho-Slovaks in America] (c1922, by Kenneth D. Miller, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Masaryk's realism and the Czech nation] (1922, by Edward Z. Rowell, 186p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/graphicartofczec00john/page/n0 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia] (1922)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600183?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak Republic : a survey of its history and geography, its political and cultural organisation, and its economic resources] (1922, by J. Císař and F. Pokorný, 5 p. l., 3-218 p. illus., plates, port., fold. map, diagrs.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000400155?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Eminent Europeans] (1922, by Eugene S. Bagger, incl. part on Masaryk?, 283p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009796460?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Bohemia from the earliest times to the foundation of the Czecho-Slovak republic in 1918] (1922, by Edmund C. Maurice, 576p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106017174647&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=875 The Century illustrated monthly magazine, vol104] (1922, incl. The Yankees of Central Europe, by James Alton James, 7p)
* [https://aleph.mzk.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000640449&amp;local_base=MZK01&amp;format=999 The Slavs after the War] (1922, by T. G. Masaryk, 23p, available in MZK Brno)
** [https://www.jstor.org/stable/4201583 JSTOR]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785464 These help build America] (1922, by Emil F. Prantner, 112p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102585283 The Slavonic and East European review] (1922–1949)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523281 more volumes]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662774 other copies]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 other copies]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153698 Financial policy of Czecho-Slovakia during the first year of its history] (1923, A. Rašín, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000040157 From a terrace in Prague] (1923, by Lieut.-Col. B. Granville Baker, 262p., illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002036441?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Nicholas Glassberger and his works, with the text of his Major cronica Boemorum moderna (A. D. 1200-1310)] (1923, by Walter Seton, 117)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=003000595&amp;local_base=SKC The Religious Problem of Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Clarence Augustus Manning, 13p, SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100122761 Six Great Scientists] (1923, by Margaret Avery, 100p, includes chapter on Mendel)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006591175?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Prague, the capital of the Czechoslovak Republic], by Městská spořitelna pražská, 30p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522317?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Social policy in the Czechoslovak Republic, for the International congress on social policy in Prague] (1924, by Sociální ústav Československé Republiky)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522563?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Czechoslovakia; a survey of economic and social conditions] (1924, by Josef Gruber (ed.), Brož, Klíma, Král, 256p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Masaryk&amp;fqor-language%5B%5D=English&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateTrie%3A%5B%22%2A%22%20TO%20%221924%22%5D&amp;ft= President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923.] (1924, 141p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006665829 Czechoslovak help to the Russian and Ukraine emigration] (1924, 140p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=506 The nation, v.119] (July-Dec 1924, includes &quot;Savinkov’s story&quot; about Masaryk)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=700 The nation, v.119] (&quot;Savinkov and Masaryk&quot; by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=bc.ark:/13960/t48p9fm1m&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=57 Woodstock letters, v.53, no.2] (1924, includes Protestantism in Czechoslovakia by Zaroslav? Ovecka)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144324 East of Prague] (1924, by C.J.C. Street, preface by His Excellency Dr. Vojtěch Mastný)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000567296 Five years of Czechoslovak foreign policy] (1924, by Edvard Beneš, 39p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006716993&amp;local_base=SKC Czechoslovaks as Americans] (1924, Chicago: Czechoslovak National Council of America, AVAILABLE in SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231 President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923] (1924)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965479 The late Count Lützow; a tribute to the memory of a great Bohemian patriot.] (1925, collected and edited by Dr. A. Sum, 71 p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600180 Origins of the Czechoslovak state] (1926, by Thomas Čapek, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798901 Czechoslovakia, the land of an unconquerable ideal] (1926, by Jessie Mothersole, 296p with sixty illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010513619 The problem of the small nations after the world war, a lecture] (1926?, by Edward Beneš, 28p, reprinted from Slavonic Review) (AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102105950 Czechoslovakia] (1926, by Helena C. Schott, 69p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009384854?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Liber amicorvum Romain Rolland] (1926, includes contribution by Masaryk, 405p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010586013 Czecho Slovak pictorial weekly. Česko slovenský obrázkový týdeník.] (1926, just one issue)
* [https://books.google.cz/books/about/Huss_and_His_Followers.html?id=i_wOAAAAQAAJ Huss and His Followers] (1926, by Jan Herben, 214p)
* [https://archive.org/details/spiritofbohemia00vlad/page/n5/mode/2up The Spirit of Bohemia] (1927, by Vladimir Nosek, 379p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001085657&amp;local_base=NKC The Semi-Centennial Jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois] (1927, By Jan Diviš, A free English version of J.J. Jelínek’s Bohemian historical sketch by J.E.S. Vojan, 134p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631402 The middle Euphrates, a topographical itinerary] (1927, by Alois Musil, 426p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631403 Palmyrena, a topographical itinerary] (1928, by Alois Musil, 367p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631405 The manners and customs of the Rwala Bedouins] (1928, by Alois Musil, 712p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009007215 A Bohemian scholar at Heidelberg and Oxford in the 16th century. Jan Bernart of Přerov (1553-1600)] (1928, by Robert Fitzgibbon Young, 20p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001456146 Antonín Dvořák] (1928, by Karel Hoffmeister, translated by Rosa Harriet Jeaffreson Newmarch, 132p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001042342&amp;local_base=NKC The America of Today (1929, by Aleš Brož, 47p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000066025 Year-book of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1929, by Bohuslav Horák (ed.), 318p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001865696 In the Arabian desert] (1930, by Alois Musil, 339p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001162487&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Augustine Herrman of Bohemia manor] (1930, by Thomas Čapek, 35p, available in VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102646351 The Moravians and the Czech contribution to the early history of Ohio ... published in remembrance of the Gnadenhutten Sesqui-centennial Commemoration of the Massacre of the Moravian Christian Indians] (1932, American National Alliance of Czechoslovaks, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600152 Bohemia in the eighteenth century] (1932, by Robert Joseph Kerner, 412p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group (Czechs and Slovaks) international exposition, Chicago, 1933, incoporated.] (1933, 184p, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001507029&amp;local_base=NKC The Quest for Polar Treasures] (1933, by Jan Welzl, translated by M.R. Weatherall, 352p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001495741 Life of Mendel] (1932, by Hugo Iltis, trans. by Eden and Cedar Paul, 336p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005945231King Edward VII at Marienbad; political and social life at the Bohemian spas] (1934, by Sigmund Münz, 303p, 42 illustrations, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798917 President Masaryk tells his story] (1934, recounted by Karel Čapek; translated by D. R. (probably Dora Round who the 1936 edition is attributed to), 302p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965548 1935 edition]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102930638 1936 edition, tr. by Dora Round)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045160&amp;local_base=NK Czechoslovak literature and science 1935 : Selections] (1936, [Prague] : American Institute in Czechoslovakia, 127p, NK ČR)
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.173970/page/n3 Defender of Democracy Masaryk speaks] (1936)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604518 Beneš, statesman of central Europe] (1936, by Pierre Crabitès, 293p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002640467&amp;local_base=NKC Immigrant Problems] (1937, by Emil F. Prantner, 12s, AVAILABLE from NKCR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/40187871 The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Struggle for Czechoslovak Independence] (1938, by Joseph Jahelka, in Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society (1908-1984))
* [https://archive.org/details/democracytodayto00bene/page/n0 Democracy today and tomorrow] (1939, by Edvard Beneš, 243p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144299 Czechoslovakia; its sacrifice and future] (c1939, by Czechoslovak National Council of America, 101p)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/524121555/ The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Fight for Czechoslovak Independence] (by Joseph Jahelka, in Berwyn Life, 5 April 1939)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002213257&amp;local_base=SKC Ten Million Prisoners (Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia)] (1940, by Vojta Beneš, R. A. Ginsburg, 180p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063483 Nazi barbarism in Czechoslovakia] (1940, by Edvard Beneš, 31p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006076662 Czechoslovakia's struggle for freedom] (1941, by Dr. Edvard Beneš, 16p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006006033 Culture lives on in occupied Czechoslovakia; lecture delivered on 13th November, 1941, at the Czechoslovak institute, London] (1941?, by Dr. Gustav Winter, 22p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i350999 The Slavonic Year-Book, American Series] (1941, includes ''Problems of the Reign of George of Poděbrady'', pp. 206-222, by Otakar Odložilík; Czechoslovakia; Twenty Years of Independence by R. J. Kerner, pp. 395-396, review by J. B. Kozák
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666184&amp;local_base=NKC The Story of two peoples, or, Czechoslovak and German morality] (1942, by Vojta Beneš, 20p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029768&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Masaryk in England] (1943, by R.W. Seton-Watson, 206p, AVAILABLE in VKOL)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045874&amp;local_base=NKC Slavs in the United States census : 1850-1940 : with special references to Czechoslovaks] (1943, by Thomas Čapek, 15p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slaveasteurorevi The Slavonic and East European Review. American Series] (1943–1944)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177543&amp;local_base=NKC Czechoslovakia in European History] (1943, by Samuel Harrison Thomson, 390p)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666341&amp;local_base=NKC 1944 edition]
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001538448&amp;local_base=NKC 1953 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600260 Czechoslovakia fights back: a document of the Czechoslovak Ministry of Foreign Affairs]] (1943, introduction by Jan Masaryk, 210p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3160037 Peter Chelčický: The Spiritual Father of the Unitas Fratrum] (1943, by Matthew Spinka, in Church History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Dec., 1943), pp. 271-291)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 The Angel of Peace] (1944, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by W. A. Morison, 125p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002474422&amp;local_base=SKC The role of Czechoslovakia : a talk to educational officers of H.M. Forces] (1944, by Jaroslav Císař, 16p)
* [https://archive.org/details/Czechoslovak-russianTreatyMay81944/page/n3 Czechoslovak-Russian Treaty 1944]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600386 Edvard Benes̆ in his own words: threescore years of a statesman, builder and philosopher] (1944, by Edvard Beneš and Karel Hudec, 136p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965526 Dr. Edvard Beneš, president of Czechoslovakia; the Czechoslovak stateman's official wartime visit to the United States and Canada in 1943] (c1944, by Thomas John Watson, 156p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007561476 Sokol, educational and physical culture association] (1944, by Jarka Jelínek and Jaroslav Zmrhal, 112p, NO NOTICE)
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/NT_Nazi-conspiracy.html Nazi Conspiracy] (8 volumes of various documents connected with WWII)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/amerslaveasteuro The American Slavic and East European Review] (1945–1961, although Cambridge University Press is given, inside there is written &quot;Published for the American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies --&gt; published in the U.S.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000394410&amp;local_base=NKC The opening of the Prague parliament: message of president Dr. Edvard Beneš to the national assembly of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1946, introduction Václav Osvald; two speeches by Josef David, president of the National Assembly; the programme of the Government under the Premiership of Zdeněk Fierlinger; translated by William Beardmore, 19p, AVAILABLE from NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005973893 A key to Czechoslovakia, the territory of Kladsko (Glatz): A study of a frontier problem in middle Europe] (1946, by Milič,  Čapek, 153p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001451967 Bohumil Shimek] (1947, by Walter Ferdinand Loehwing, 36p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001117139 Studies in the history of American education] (1947, includes Comenius and Harvard University by James R. Taylor, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000710251&amp;local_base=NKC The Founding of the Charles University of Prague] (1947, by František Kop; drawings by Josef Novák; transl. by Dr. William Beardmore, 57p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:cd124600-90b4-11e8-9690-005056827e51?page=uuid:f42d9630-d2d7-11e8-9480-5ef3fc9ae867 The Lands of the Bohemian Crown their history and glory] (1947, anonymous, ed. Milka Hipmanová, tr. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 139p, mostly pictures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592106 Venerable John Neumann, C.SS.R., fourth bishop of Philadelphia] (1952, by Michael J. Curley, 547p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000126175&amp;local_base=NKC Purges in the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia] (1952, by P. Korbel and V. Vagassky, 55p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000712786 Czechoslovakia: an area manual (1955, edited by David Nelson Rowe and Willmore Kendall)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000823220 Czechoslovak-Polish Confederation and the Great Powers, 1940-43] (1956, by Piotr S. Wandycz, 152p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600200 Czecho-Slovakia: a critical history]] (1961, by Kurt Glaser, 275p)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.110643/page/n3/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102477297 Antonín Dvořák, 1841-1961] (1961, by Karel Boleslav Jirák, 31p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slavicreview Slavic Review] (1961–2019, at least early numbers published in the US, see the front matter) 
* [Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia: Its History and Status as of January 1962] (1962, by Vojtěch N. Duben, 99p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001112583&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak contribution to world culture] (1964, edited by Miloslav Rechcigl, 682p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169389 Czechoslovakia, a bibliographic guide] (1967, by Rudolf Sturm, 157p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/4634532 The Czechs in Wisconsin History (by Karel D. Bicha, in The Wisconsin Magazine of History, Vol. 53, No. 3 (Spring, 1970), pp. 194-203 (10 pages)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102195430 Air transport services: agreement between the United States of America and the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic] (1986, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001105093 Masaryk &amp; America] (1988, by George J. Kovtun, 82p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32437010526495&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=5 Czechoslovakia: a country study] (1989, PUBLIC DOMAIN)
** [https://www.loc.gov/item/88600487/ copy from LoC library]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007409351 Czechoslovakia] (3 vols. 1989–1991, prepared by American Embassy Prague)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009883093 Eastern European Business Bulletin] (1991–1994)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924092658065&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=60 1991–1992] (includes art. on Northern Bohemia)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=3 1993–1994] (beginning: Czech and Slovak Republics Enter New Era, Pardubice, maybe Telecomunication Consortium...)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=77 1993–1994] (middle–end: Anniversary of split; Eastern Bohemia; Distribution evolving in the Cz. R., etc. ..., Western Bohemia,..., South Bohemia, ... South Bohemia again)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423397 Peace Corps: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1990, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423302 Scientific and technological cooperation: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1991, 19p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423303 Scientific and technical cooperation: earth sciences: memorandum of understanding between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1992, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210023601576&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 Treaties and other international acts series 11915] (1992, Agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia, Aviation transport services)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009636318 United States Seed Act: assistance strategy for the Czech Republic, 1993-1995, submitted by American Embassy, Prague] (1993, 14p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210012223911&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 Treaties and international agreements registered on 29 June 1995, No. 32007] (Treaty between EU and Czech Republic, PUBLIC DOMAIN per {{template|PD-UN}}, 640p, problematic signatures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003096588 Czech and Slovak history: an American bibliography] (1996, compiled by George J. Kovtun, 481p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004120301 Democratizing Communist militaries: the cases of the Czech and Russian armed forces] (c1999, by Marybeth Peterson Ulrich, 292p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007425040 Additional investment protocol with the Czech Republic: message from the President of the United States transmitting additional protocol between the United States of America and the Czech Republic to the treaty between the United States of America and the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic concerning the reciprocal encouragement and protection of investment] (2003, 10p)

''Natural sciences''
*[https://archive.org/details/naturallphilosop00come/page/n3/mode/2up Naturall philosophie reformed by divine light, or, A synopsis of physicks] (1651, by Johann Amos Comenius, 256p.)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=philosophical+transactions+bohemia&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=bks&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjS8rK5gZDkAhXFdJoKHWcwDgkQ_AUIFygB&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=949 several articles in Philosophical Transactions]
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001264427&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=259 Part of a Letter from James Mounsey, ..., concerning ... the Baths at Carlsbad...] (1749, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 46)
*[https://archive.org/details/philosophicaltra4911roya/page/394 An account of an extraordinary Alteration in the Baths of Toplitz in Bohemia, on the first of November 1755] (1757, by [[:cs:w:Joseph Stepling|Joseph Stepling]], Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=443 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=985 An Account of a Treatise, in Latin, presented and dedicated to the Royal Society, intituled &quot;Gottlob Caroli Sprinsfeld...&quot;] (1756, by William Watson, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?lookfor=ale%C5%A1%20hrdli%C4%8Dka&amp;searchtype=all&amp;ft=ft&amp;setft=true publications by Aleš Hrdlička]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011589026 Carlsbad and its natural healing agents] (1880, by Ignaz Kraus, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008972246 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1883, by Eduard Hlawaček, 121p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100491635 Carlsbad; its thermal springs and baths, and how to use them] (1887, by Ignaz Kraus, 3ed revised and enlarged)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100132420 Saratoga chips and Carlsbad wafers. The pursuit of happiness and health at the two great mineral water resorts of America and Europe] (1887, by Nathan Sheppard)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uoVBAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA37 Goldthwaite's Geographical Magazine, vol.1–2] (1891, includes A Bridal Trip in Africa: From Dr. Emil Holub’s Narative, page 37)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000919412 The action, therapeutic value and use of the Carlsbad sprudel salt (powder form) and its relation to the Carlsbad thermal water] (1891, by Walery Jaworski, tr. by Albert L. A. Toboldt, 100p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010592328 Carlsbad : a medico-practical guide] (1893, by Emil Kleen, 101p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100497750 Carlsbad; its springs and spring-products] (1895, by Ludwig Sipőcz, transl. by Schuman-Leclercq)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924080776861&amp;seq=439 Harper's new monthly magazine. V.90 1894-1895] (includes Music in America by Antonín Dvořák)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041795170&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 American anthropologist v.11] (1898, incl. &quot;Study of the Normal Tibia&quot; and &quot;Physical Differences between White and Coloured Children&quot; by Aleš Hrdlička)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001677020&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=91 Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, v.10] (1898, incl. Marked Human Bones from a Prehistoric Tarasco Indian Burial Place in the State of Michoacan, Mexico. By Carl Lumholtz and Aleš Hrdlička; difficult tables)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007683799 The Carlsbad treatment for tropical and digestive ailments and how to carry it out anywhere] {1899, by Louis Tarleton Young 224p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002081203 Carlsbad, Clinical studies on the modes of action, indications for the use &amp; curative value of its mineral springs] (1910, Adolf Ritter, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010849625 A Kansas surgeon in Karlsbad] (1910, by Dr. J. C. McClintock, 122p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001781811 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1922, by Franz Puchtinger, 190p)
*By and about Ferdinand Stoliczka:
**Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal. v.38 (1869). (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=316 The Malacology of Lower Bengal and the adjoining provinces], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=250 On the Anatomy of Sagartia Schilleriana and Membranipora Bengalensis], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 Contributions towards the knowledge of Indian Arachnoidea]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655265] [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009776223] Cretaceous fauna of southern India ... (Several volumes)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c040042134&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=413 Proceedings of the California Academy of Sciences, v.5] (1873-74, includes Remarks on the death of Dr. Ferdinand Stoliczka).
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101648779 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission: Memoir of the life and work of Ferdinand Stoliczka] (1886, by V. Ball, 36 p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101816952?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka] (v1, v2)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032821241 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Geology] (49p)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044107300329&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=7 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Neuroptera] (6p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100150238 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Mamalia] (94p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655268?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Tertiary and Upper Cretaceous fauna of western India]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210020622179&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=280 Foreign seeds and plants imported by the Section of Seed and Plant Introduction, no. 1–8] (see pages 4, 5, 42, 50)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009124520 The Pteridophyta of the Island of Dominica : with notes on various ferns from tropical America] (1929, by Karel Domin, '''28p???''')
** [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000547310&amp;local_base=NKC copy in NKČR] ('''259p????''')
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001147889&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Agricultural problem in the new Europe] (1930, by Sigfried von Strakosch and Alois Chytil, partly in English, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000703953&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Georgius Prochaska: A Pioneer in Modern Physiology (1749-1820)] (after 1930, by Vladislav Kruta, VKOL)
* [https://archive.org/details/scienceholyshrou0000rwhy/page/n7/mode/2up Science and the Holy Shroud] (1936, by R. W. Hynek, transl. Augustine Studeny, 152 pages, not available at the moment)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000713927&amp;local_base=NKC Georgius Prochaska : 1749-1820 : Professor of anatomy, physiology and ophtalmology at the universities of Prague and Vienna] (1949, by Vladislav Kruta, 15p, NK CR)
* [[Author:Lubomír Masner]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001477504 The philosophical impact of contemporary physics] (1961, by Milič Čapek, 414p, AVAILABLE)

From Wikidata:
* [[wikidata:Q2982487|Stanislaus von Prowazek]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500532|Emanuel von Purkyně]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500567|Joseph Gottfried Mikan]]
* [[wikidata:Q4235284|Vincenz Franz Kosteletzky]]
* [[wikidata:Q5924438|Jacob Juratzka]]
* [[wikidata:Q12024182|Jaroslav Šulc]]
* [[wikidata:Q12017451|František Rambousek]]
* [[wikidata:Q12016933|František Bubák]]
* [[wikidata:Q13407718|Josef Poech]]
* [[wikidata:Q20651487|Jindřich Uzel]]
* [[wikidata:Q21387868|Carl Zelinka]]???
* [[wikidata:Q21516229|Josef Novák]]

''Other''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007679031 The school of infancy] (1632 by Comenius, 1858 English edition, 75p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=O_VmAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA1 A reformation of schooles] (1642, English excerpt from Didactica Magna, transl. by Samuel Hartlib, 94p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001734797 The orbis pictus of John Amos Comenius] (1658 by Comenius, 1887 English edition, 234p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066916 1777 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009708329 1810 edition]
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009353957 1887 edition with original images from 1658]
*The great didactic of John Amos Comenius: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007412251 1907 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101649243 1910 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499182 1921 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t49p2wj46&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 In Bohemia] (1905, by James Clarence Harvey; on bohemianism, not Bohemia!; illustr. by Mucha, 207p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 Angel of Peace] (1667 by Comenius, 1944(!) English edition, 125p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006544097 Bohemian Glass] (1916, by Esther Lilian Duff, 81p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008988069 Bohemian made easy] (1890, by Karel Jonáš, 294p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128448 1900 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000503659 Ériu]
** vol. 7 (1914), includes CúRói and CúChulinn by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613043852/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud_bib.htm rewritten online]
** vol. 8 (1916), includes &quot;On the antiquity of the kingship of Tara&quot; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113506/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1916a.htm rewritten online] and &quot;Notes on the Preverbal Particles and Infixed Elements&quot; by Josef Baudiš 
** vol. 9 (1921–23) includes On Tochmarc Emere by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110716080643/http://volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923a.htm rewritten online]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522714 Complete method of pyramid building] (1919, by Joseph Paskovský, tr. by Dr. R(udiš) Jičinsky and Henry Šmídl, 111p)
**[https://archive.org/details/completemethodof00paskrich/page/n119 another copy in archive.org]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000001728759&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=127&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=ji%C4%8D%C3%ADnsk%C3%BD photo of Jičínský]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523510 Proceedings of the Cambridge Philological Society] (vol. 118–120, 1921, includes &quot;Changes in Type in Indo-European&quot; by Josef Baudiš
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000499787 Philologica] (vol. 1, 1921, includes &quot;Remarks on the Welsh Verb&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtiquel] (includes &quot;On the Character of the Celtic Languages&quot; by Josef Baudiš, in vol. 39, 33—46 (1922); and 40, 104—126 (1923))
* [https://archive.org/details/educationinczech00bachuoft/page/n1 Education in Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Teresa Bach, 26p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.a0013837059&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=161 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080102737&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=369 The Louisiana Planter and Sugar Manufacturer, vol. 70] (1923, includes How Czecho-Slovakia Is Meeting Her Sugar Problems)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000586696&amp;local_base=NKC The Sokols: Spezial supplement of The Central European Observer dedicated to the VIII Sokol Festival to be held in Prague July 4-16th, 1926] (1926, Prague: Orbis, available in NK CR)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4029745&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Czech Educational Yearbook 1924] (includes Czechoslovakia by Emmanuel Lippert, 48p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001616953?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The utilisation of water power in the Czechoslovak Republic] (1926, by Josef Wolf, 12p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009086486?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Structure and development of the &quot;living matter&quot;] (1927, by F. Vejdovský, 359p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/semicentennialju00voja/page/20 The Semi-centennial jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois], (1927, by J. E. S. Vojan, 134p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001226833&amp;local_base=NKC The minority principle as a problem of political science. 1. volume] (1928, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph Rouček 45p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000543543&amp;local_base=NKC The working of the minorities system under the League of Nations] (1929, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph S. Rouček, 122p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtique] (vol. 49, 1932, includes &quot;Notes on Early Welsh Sandhi&quot; and &quot;On the Uses of the Subjunctive Mood in Welsh&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002855598 Revue Celtique] (vol. 50, 1933, includes &quot;The particle E. W. yt, yd, y&quot; by Josef Baudiš and obituary of Josef Baudiš by Joseph Vendryes)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370252 Progressive Czech (Bohemian)] (1936, by Bohumil E. Mikula, Czech textbook, includes also short texts by A. Hrdlička and T. Čapek, 538p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000399641&amp;local_base=NKC Education in Czechoslovakia] (1947, Prague: Orbis, by Jaroslav Paur, transl. by B. Goldreich, 48p)

''Dictionaries''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358697;view=1up;seq=1 Library of the World's Best Literature: Biographical dictionary] (volume 29, containing some entries on Czech authors)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358705;view=1up;seq=114 Library of the World's Best Literature: Guide to systematic readings] (volume 31, containing list of Czech authors from vol. 29)

''Periodicals''
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=005757968&amp;local_base=SKC Central European Observer]
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/573372448 Hitler threatens Czechoslovakia] (19 March 1938, St. Louis Globe-Democrat)

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[[Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos]] by [[Author:Knud Rasmussen|Knud Rasmussen]] (1930), including [[Index:Observations on the Intellectual Culture of the Caribou Eskimos.djvu]]: '''To be renewed in January 2026'''

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[https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ British newspaper archive]

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'''[[Portal:Central_Intelligence_Agency/National_Intelligence_Surveys#NIS_18:_Czechoslovakia]]'''

* [[Author:Francis Dvornik]]
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/european/cash/cash3.html List of some works on Czech history]
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Bibliography of Czech literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.39795/page/n33 More biblibliography]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 Bibliography in World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008717785 Chicago foreign language press survey [microform]: Czech]
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=f_FrwHK6NaUC&amp;pg=PA340 bibliography in The United States, Revolutionary Russia, and the Rise of Czechoslovakia]
* [https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/633/cia-reports-on-the-collapse-of-communism-in-europe/3 CIA reports on the collapse of communism in Europe]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20200220074120/https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-16great-teutonic-plan.html some articles on Bohemia and WWI] (1916 The Great Teutonic Plan (Tomáš Masaryk); 1918 Bohemia Ablaze With Revolt; 1918 The Ferment In Bohemia (Richard Wilmer Rowan); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Louis E. Van Norman, George Peet); 1918 The Czecho-Slovak Nation (Thomas G. Masaryk))
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015079877489&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Tomáš G. Masaryk, 1850-1937: a selective list of reading materials in English] (1981, by George J. Kovtun, 26p)
* [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2007/20070628001cz/20070628001cz.pdf Czech and Slovak literature in English] (1988, by George Kovtun, Library of Congress)
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:ed3339c0-5b1e-11e2-8f49-005056827e51?page=uuid:611c9130-b95f-11e2-ada5-005056825209  Publications about Czechoslovakia in foreign languages]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177591&amp;local_base=AUT Books about Czechoslovakia by Joseph Robert Kerner], in NKC, mostly 1930s
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100030308 Selected bibliography of materials on education in Czechoslovakia] (1960, by Nellie Mary Apanasewicz, 37p)
* [http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n85818401/ Bibliography of Rose Rosický]
* [https://dk.uzei.cz/cdk/view/uuid:ab2cf9ef-b058-4768-96f5-80cb42aa44ef?page=uuid:14fe5800-fe28-11e8-b129-00155d012102 Bibliography of Fr. Lützow]
* books by Matthew Spinka on Comenius, Hus, Martinů… in various Czech libraries (note: some of them have renewed copyright, some are unavailable archival copies)
* [https://ncsml.historyarchives.online/home National Czech &amp; Slovak Museum &amp; Library]

* J. B. Dudek:
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=34 The Americanization of Czech given names] (American speech v.1 1925-1926)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424127&amp;seq=177 The Americanization of Czech surnames] (American speech v.1 1925-1926), same volume as above
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106019601118&amp;seq=210 The Czech language in America] (The American mercury v.5 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000478315&amp;seq=347 Czech surnames in America] (The American mercury v.6 1925)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=315 The Bohemian Language in America – I] (American speech v.2 1926-1927)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015060424119&amp;seq=482 The Bohemian Language in America – II] (American speech v.2 1926-1927), same volume as above

'''To book:'''
*'''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001180290&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Caroline University of Prague : its foundation, character and development in the fourteenth century]''' (1948 by Václav Chaloupecký; transl. by V. Fried and W.R. Lee, with seventeen pictorial ilustrations, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001310874&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The rectors of the Czechoslovak universities, technological institutes, and other schools of superior education on Czech school facilities under Austrian government and on German school facilities under Czechoslovak government]''' (1938, Prague: Charles University Press, 24p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001320495&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Mapa Spojených států S. A. s označením českých osad a Republiky Československé] (aka The Bohemian settlements in the United States; 2 maps on 1 sheet 90 × 69 cm; 	Chicago : publisher August Geringer; The Bohemian Daily Svornost, [1920])
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001300283&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Yesterday and today: a survey of Czechoslovak protestantism] (ed. by Luděk Brož; foreword Ján Chabada; introduction J. L. Hromádka; Prague 1955; 55p, 12 plates; VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000452576&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Ceramics] (Prague 1953, 8p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000685724&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Motor Cycles Throughout The World (Jawa, ČZ)] (Prague, 1951, 26p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001114079&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 War Conspirators before the Court of the Czechoslovak People : is a short version of the official report which was published on behalf of the min. of justice] (Prague, 1950, 197p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001215822&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Ghetto Terezín : distant journey] (Prague, 1949, 7p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000672025&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Chemapol Czechoslovakia Praha : the Czechoslovak Chemical Industry] (Prague, 1949, 12p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000673649&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Jablonec Czechoslovakia : [Propagační brožura] : Czechoslovak Glass Work’s National Corporation] (Prague, 1949, 19p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001044802&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 On the distribution of insterstellar matter]''' (Prague 1949, by Jiří Alter, 23p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243986&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL)
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001243987&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999  The Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic  Promulgated on June 9th, 1948 as No. 150 of the Collection of Acts and Orders in the Czechoslovak Republic]''' (2nd edition, Prague 1948, transl. by F.O. Stein, 78p, VKOL), different from above???
* '''[https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001047949&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Czechoslovak Music. Part I, Bohemia and Moravia]''' (Prague, 1949, 113p, 132 plates, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001272398&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The economic aspect of the German occupation of Czechoslovakia] (Prague 1948, by Leopold Chmela, 166p, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001054707&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 The czechoslovak theatre : a collection of informative material on theatrical activities in Czechoslovakia] (Prague, 1948, 144, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000689870&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Loveliest sigt-seeing tours through Prague : the Description and Plan Given] (Prague, 1948, 6p, VKOL)
* books by Mathew Spinka

'''uploaded:'''
* [[:File:John Huss (IA jstor-30066789).pdf|John Huss]] (1857, long article in Catholic Layman)
* [[Page:Tales from the German - Oxenford.djvu/21|Libussa]] (1844, by J. H. Musaeus, in ''Tales from the German'')
* [[Index:A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language.djvu|A grammar of the Bohemian or Cech language]]
* [[:Commons:File:History of Bohemia by Robert H. Vickers.pdf|History of Bohemia]] (1894, by Robert H. Vickers)
* [[:Commons:File:The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620.pdf|The story of Bohemia from the earliest times to the fall of national independence in 1620]] (1896, by Charles Edmund Maurice)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemia; an historical sketch by the Count Lützow.pdf|Bohemia; an historical sketch]] (1910 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [[:Commons:File:Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty.pdf|Independent Bohemia, an account of the Czecho-Slovak struggle for liberty]] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 190p)
* [[:Commons:File:Bohemian (Čech) bibliography; a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs (IA cu31924029568106).pdf|Bohemian (Čech) bibliography]]
* [[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America.pdf|The Čechs (Bohemians) in America]]; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life] (1920, by Thomas Čapek, 438p)
**[[:Commons:File:The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life (IA cu31924027019011).pdf|another uploaded copy]]
* [[:Commons:File:Pole and Czech in Silesia.pdf|Pole and Czech in Silesia]] (1921, by Alexander James Roy)
''Encyclopaedias''
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 6.djvu/790|Czechs]] (EB9)
* [[Page:Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, v. 12.djvu/420|Huss, John]] (EB9))
* [[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 11.djvu/253|Jirásek + Jireček]] (NIE)
* [[Page:LA2-NSRW-2-0462.jpg|Huss]] (The New Student's Reference Work)
* [[The Encyclopedia Americana (1920)/Masaryk, Thomas Garrigue]]
* [[Page:Collier's New Encyclopedia v. 02.djvu/106|Bohemia]] (Collier's New Encyclopedia, 1921)
* [[:Commons:File:Comenius - his life and principles of education (IA comeniushislifep00langiala).pdf|Comenius: His Life and Principles of Education]] (1891, by Ossian H. Lang, 26p)
'''to upload:'''

''Fiction''
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=YgzaQ5I5hM8C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Some Rules for the Conduct of Human Life, chiefly done from the Latin of J. A. Comenius] (1736, by Edward Synge)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015027523052&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=271 Poetical tracts] (1797, includes a poem &quot;Castle of Olmutz&quot;)
*[https://archive.org/details/johnhussorcounc00beatgoog John Huss; or, The Council of Constance] (1829, a poem by W. Beattie, 145p.)
*[https://books.google.cz/books?id=5EsAAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA274&amp;lpg=PA274#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1843, trans. J. Bowring, in ''Rukopis kralodvorský'')
*[https://archive.org/details/manuscriptofquee00hank/page/n7/mode/2up Manuscript of the Queen's Court] (1852, trans. A.H. Wratislaw, 86p., Prague edition)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t17m1gb8z the same at HathiTrust]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002517698?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Vrchlicky&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Saint Ludmila : an oratorio, op. 71] (188?, written by Jaroslav Vrchlický; music by Antonín Dvořák)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001228706 Slavonic Literature] (by W. R. Morfill, incl. Early literature of Bohemia, 264p, 1883)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015007863841 A patriotic hymn : from the Bohemian poem &quot;The heirs of the white mountain&quot;] (1884)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102222592 189? edition] (written by V. Halek, the music composed for chorus ad orchestra)
*[https://hdl.handle.net/2027/coo1.ark:/13960/t54f2c97m Sixty folk-tales from exclusively Slavonic sources] (1889, by A.H. Wratislaw, from Erben's ''Čítanka'', 315p.)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075672624&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Poet Lore vol.4] (1892, incl. transls. of Jakub Arbes-Newton's Brain; Under a Bush of Lilacs– by Josef Jiří Král and Turgenev–Hamlet and Don Quixote–by Pavel Durdík; Shakespeare in Bohemia by Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001244803?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=kopta%20bohemian&amp;ft= Bohemian legends and ballads] (1890, by Flora Pauline Wilson Kopta, 63 pages)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100220618 Myths and folk-tales of the Russians, western Slavs, and the Magyars] (1891, by Jeremiah Curtin, 555p)
*[[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 11, 1900.djvu/325|Review in ''Folk-lore, a quarterly review'' on Segnuis irritant]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100771802 North-west Slav legends and fairy stories: a sequel to Segnius irritant] (1897, by K. J. Erben, 111p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001901308 Clever tales] (1897, includes &quot;Newton's Brain&quot; and &quot;Under a Bush of Lilacs&quot; by Arbes, see also Poet Lore above)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100218401 South Slavonic folk-lore stories] (1898, by K. J. Erben)
* [https://www.loc.gov/item/00001834/ The forestman of Vimpek] (1900?, by Flora P. Kopta, 345p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008656821 Linden blossoms] (1908, by Jeffrey Doležal Hrbek, 126 p., poetry)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001069061&amp;local_base=NKC Slav Fairy Tales] (c1908, translated by R.W. Seton-Watson; illustrated by members of the Moravian society of artists, Hodonín: Sdružení výtvarných umělců moravských, 43p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070643641 Twenty Bohemian folk-songs] (1912, English and Bohemian texts, transl. and compiled by Vincent Pisek)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b199996&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 McClure's magazine v. 39] (1912, includes The Bohemian Girl by Willa Sibert Cather)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044009768474;view=1up;seq=1 Poetry, vol. 1, Oct.–March 1912–1913] (incl. article on Bohemian Poetry by Ezra Pound)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100742999 Under the hollow tree] (1913, by Vítězslav Hálek, tr. W. W. Strickland, 61p)
* [https://archive.org/details/mythslegendsofal00mars/page/n9 Myths and legends of all nations] (1914, includes The Decision of Libuscha, 272p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008658012 Rekindled fires] (1918, by Joseph Anthony (1897–1991); frontispiece by J. Ormsbee, 347p, novel about Bohemian community)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101865999 Rue with a Difference] (1920, by Charles Recht, 318p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210017182625&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=285 Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society, v.11 Apr-Oct 1918] (incl. Czecho-Slovak Leader, Thomas G. Masaryk, Visits Chicago…)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i395760 The Slavonic Review] (1922, in JSTOR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 The Slavonic Review] (1922–1927, in HathiTrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001276540 Beyond the giant mountains: tales from Bohemia] (1923, by Adolf Wenig, 95p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112124419117&amp;seq=350&amp;q1=hrbkova Our World, volume 4] (1923-1924, includes The Czecho-Slovaks in America by Sarka B. Hrbkova, and Is Our Education Wrong?  about Franz Čižek)
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.527312/page/1/mode/2up An Atomic Phantasy (Krakatit)] (1925, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Edward Lawrence Hyde, 294p) – different edition from [[Krakatit]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015030884996&amp;seq=18 Great short stories of the world] (1926, ed. by Barrett H. Clark &amp; Maxim Lieber, 1072p, includes The Vampire by Neruda and Foltýn's Drum by Čech, translated by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000120372 Twenty-five short plays international, selected and edited by Frank Shay] (1926, includes &quot;The Witness&quot; by Vrchlický)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001508438&amp;local_base=NKC The wise jeweler and other tales from Czechoslovaki] (1928, translated by Madame Norbert F. Čapek (i.e. Mája Čapková-Oktávcová?); illustrated by Cyril Bouda, 136p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030718147&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Prague Poet Lore, vol. 39] (1928, includes The Golem by H. Leivick, tr. by J. C. Augenlicht)
* [https://kramerius.lib.cas.cz/view/uuid:78e38868-15c7-45e6-85d2-3636d7f6d028 Panslavonic Folk-Lore in Four Books] (1930, By W. W. Strickland and K. J. Erben, 468p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003926479 An anthology of Czechoslovak literature] (1929, by Paul Selver, 301p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370456 Great essays of all nations] (1929, edited by F. H. Pritchard, includes essays by J. Neruda and K. Čapek)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/id/5205/rec/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life, vol. 21, no. 1] (November 1930, includes The Disappearance of Mr. Hirsch by Karel Čapek, translated by Charles Heitzman)
* [https://archive.org/details/talesfromfarnear00rhys/page/n5/mode/2up Tales from far and near] (1930, includes &quot;An Attempt at Murder&quot; from Tales from Two Pockets by Karel Čapek) LIMITED PREVIEW ONLY
* The good soldier Schweik (1930+, by Jaroslav Hašek, transl. by Paul Selver, ilustr. by Josef Lada, AVAILABLE in NKP)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006852389 The gardener's year] (1931, by Karel Čapek; illustrated by Josef Čapek, 160p)
* [The Slav anthology: Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Serbian, Croatian] (1931, translated by Edna Worthley Underwood, 346p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001858264 Letters from Spain] (1932, by Karel C̈apek; translated by Paul Selver, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001271791 Thirty years in the golden north] (1932, by Jan Welzl, translated by Paul Selver, with a foreword by Karel Čapek, 336p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009507037 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008561702 Fairy tales] (1933, by Karel Čapek; with one extra as a makeweight by Joseph Čapek; illustrated by Joseph Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 288p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000422707 Letters from Holland] (1933, by Karel Čapek, translated by Paul Selver, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906943 Dashenka: or, The life of a puppy] [1933, written, drawn, photographed and endured by Karel Čapek; translated by M. &amp; R. Weatherall, 74p]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370302 Hordubal] (1934, by Karel Čapek, translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 249p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001906951 Meteor] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by M. and R. Weatherall, 255p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702820 another copy]
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000995224&amp;local_base=NKC Intimate things] (1935, by Karel Čapek; translated by Dora Round, 176p)
* [http://scriptum.cz/soubory//scriptum/%5Bnode%5D/amerikan_1944_ocr.pdf Amerikán] (contains An open letter the the unconquerable Czechoslovaks, page 198, by Joseph Auslander, 1944)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029764&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Hundred towers: a Czechoslovak anthology of creative writing] (New York, 1945, edited, and with an introduction by F.C. Weiskopf, 277p, VKOL) COPYRIGHT RENEWED
* OSERS, E., MONTGOMERY, J. K. (eds., trs.). Modern Czech Poetry: An Anthology. Published for Prague Press by George Allien &amp; Unwin. 1945.
* SELVER, P. (ed., tr.). A Century of Czech and Slovak Poetry. London: The New Europe Publishing and The Prague Press, [1946].
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4363376 The Russian folk epos in Czech literature, 1800-1900] (1951, by Harkins, William Edward, 282p, AVAILABLE )
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001077887&amp;local_base=NKC Anthology of Czech literature] (1953, ed. by William E. Harkins, 226p, publ. in New York, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* URWIN, I. (tr.). Four Czech Short Stories. Praha: Orbis. 1957.

''On literature and authors''
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=mKLzWShDCqIC&amp;pg=PA145#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false History of Bohemian Literature] (1828, in The Foreign Quarterly Review, by John Bowring?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001058767?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Therese%20Robinson&amp;ft= Historical view of the languages and literature of the Slavic nations] (1850, by Therese A. L. Robinson, 412p., includes also a few poems)
* [https://archive.org/details/nativeliteratur01wratgoog/page/n6 The native literature of Bohemia in the fourteenth century]  (1878, by A.H. Wratislaw, 185p.)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924065545083&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=52 Bohemian Literature in the Fourteenth Century] (1878, review of Wratislaw’s book by A. W. Ward in Macmillan's magazine. v.38)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c3470732&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=601 Athenaeum, No. 2461] (incl. Bohemia by Durdík)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041040726;view=1up;seq=11 Famous composers and their works, vol. 1] (1900, article on B. Smetana, p. 173–182)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89063018212;view=1up;seq=380 By a Real Bohemian of Real Bohemia] (In ''Life'', 25 May 1911, on Jaroslav Kvapil)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128416 The life of John Kollár] (c1917, by John Kulamer, 32p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011726769 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography: a finding list of writings in English relating to Bohemia and the Čechs] (c1918, by Thomas Čapek and Anna Vostrovský Čapek, 256p, 23 plates)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075716942;view=1up;seq=214 The Freeman, vol. 6, 1922–23] (incl. articles on R.U.R., p. 208, and The World We Live In, p. 305)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020474972&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=365 The Best plays. 1922/1923] (incl. retold R. U. R.)
* [https://archive.org/details/rurrossumsuniver00apek_0/page/98/mode/2up R. U. R. (Rossum’s Universal Robots)] (1923, by Karel Čapek, transl. by Paul Selver, 99p); different (better) edition than [[R. U. R. (Rossum's Universal Robots)]]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015022188950&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=87 Theatre arts. v.7 1923] (incl. Czechoslovak puppet shows by Šárka Hrbková)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007479145?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=chudoba%20A%20Short%20Survey%20of%20Czech%20Literature&amp;ft= A short survey of Czech literature] (1924, by František Chudoba, 280p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015040082854&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=287 Theatre arts. v.8 pt2 1923] (incl. Prague by Cloyd Head and some bits on R. U. R.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001902191 Contemporary movements in European literature] (1928, edited by William Rose and J. Isaacs, includes &quot;Czechoslovakia&quot; by Paul Selver, p.197–226)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002476774&amp;local_base=SK Jan Kollar : a poet of Panslavism] (1942, by R. A. Ginsburg, 14p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001003198 Encyclopedia of literature] (1946, includes &quot;Czech Literature&quot; in volume 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001231413 A literature in crisis: Czech literature, 1938-1950] (1954, by Milada Součková, 158p.) AVAILABLE
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000980975 Karel C̆apek] (1962, by William E. Harkins, publ. in New York, 193p., DOWNLOADED)

''Art''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101829758?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (ca. 1680, only etchings by Hollar after Holbein, 30 sheets)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100235837 A description of the works of the ingenious delineator and engraver Wenceslaus Hollar] (1759, by George Vertue, mostly catalogue + something about Hollar, 151p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621330 Dance of Death] (1804, painted by Holbein, engraved by Hollar, 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000621179?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Dance of Death] (1816, with paintings by Holbein engraved by Hollar, incl. text., 70p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100237457 Exhibition of a selection from the work of Wenceslaus Hollar] (1875, about Hollar and his works, no pictures)
* [https://archive.org/details/frick-31072001464389/page/n3/mode/2up Catalogue of paintings by Vacslav Brozik] (1902, 60p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044039051354&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=8 Art and archaeology vol11] (1921, incl. The Arts of Czechoslovakia by Hrdlička, Chotek and Heidrich, 46p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001469737?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Hollar&amp;ft=ft Wenceslaus Hollar and his views of London and Windsor in the seventeenth century] (1922, by Arthur M. Hind 92p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100439660 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia]] (1922, exhibition of prints from the private collection of Henry J. John., Introduction and biografical [sic] data by Ladislav Urban, 30p, 14 plates)

''History''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=msu.31293010057267&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=122&amp;q1=bohemians Letter of Joan of Arc to the Bohemians] (1430, in The life of Joan of Arc, vol. 2, 1908, by Anatole France)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415541 The history of the Council of Constance] (1730, by Jacques Lenfant, 2 vols, 720+680pp)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015078569400&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=70 Literary relics] (1789, incl. letters from King Charles II., King James II., the Queen of Bohemia, Swift..., 415p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=AtwCAAAAQAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Life, Legend, and Canonization of St. John Nepomucen] (1873, by Albert Henry Wratislaw, 81p)
**[https://archive.org/search.php?query=Life%2C%20Legend%2C%20and%20Canonization%20of%20St.%20John%20Nepomucen more copies in Internet Archive]
* [https://archive.org/details/livesofjohnwicli00gilp/page/n7 The lives of John Wicliff and of the most eminent of his disciples; Lord Cobham, John Huss, Jerome of Prague, and Zisca] (1765, by Gilpin, William)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008616943 1814 edition] (288p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah6348&amp;seq=333 The Lives, Prophecies, Visions and Revelations of Christopher Kotterus and Christina Poniatonia] (by J. A. Comenius, in Prophetical Extracts, 1795)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009730719 Germany, Bohemia, and Hungary, visited in 1837] (1839, by G. R. Gleig, 3 volumes, probably only 2 about Bohemia and Moravia)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530842?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= John Huss: a memoir, illustrating some of the workings of popery in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries] ([by Georg Lommel], 1841, 136p.)
**[https://books.google.cz/books?id=NZmpPdGbXpQC&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.l0059624999;view=1up;seq=9 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc1.50178530;view=1up;seq=5 The reformers before the Reformation; the fifteenth century: John Huss and the Council of Constance] (1844, by Émile de Bonnechose, 375p.+Preface)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007352512?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1840-1849&amp;ft= The reformation and anti-reformation in Bohemia] (1845, by C. A. Pescheck, 2 vols.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100196810?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=John%20Huss&amp;ft= The martyrs of Bohemia: or, Brief memoirs of John Huss and Jerome of Prague.] (1846, 237p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uWoCAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA265#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false North American Review, vol. 65] (1847, incl. The Life and Letters of John Huss)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=yGFlAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad and Its Mineral Springs Medically, Socially and Locally Considered] (1847, by Rudolph Mannl, 140p)
* [https://archive.org/details/documentsrelativ02brod/page/88/mode/2up Documents relative to the colonial history of the state of New York, vol. 2] (1853, includes ''Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland'' and ''Messrs. Heermans and Waldron to Director Stuyvesant'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935347 The Council of Constance, and the war in Bohemia] (1855, by Richard Cattermole, 304p.)
* [https://www.google.cz/books/edition/Documents_relative_to_the_colonial_histo/oC0OAAAAQAAJ Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the state of New York] (1856, includes ''The Nine Men of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Petition of the Commonalty  of New Netherland to the States General'' (by Herman et al.) ''Additional Observations on the preceding Petions'' (by Herman et al.), ''Resolution of the States General on the Petitions of Augustyn Herman and others'', ''Select Men of New Amsterdam to the States General'' (by Herman et al.), ''Extract of two letters from Augustin Herman–Stuyvesant does as he pleases'' and ''Extract of a letter from Augustin Herman–Van Tienhoven returned and exposed by the basket-maker’s daughter'')
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499648 Travels in Bohemia: with a walk through the highlands of Saxony] (1857, by An Old Traveller, 2 volumes in 1)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007684992 A July holiday in Saxony, Bohemia, and Silesia] (1857, Walter White, 305p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-30066789/page/n1 John Huss] (1857, in The Catholic Layman, 3p)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=ioVpAAAAcAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false Carlsbad in Bohemia and Its Mineral-springs] (1858, by Rudolph Mannl, 151p)
* [https://archive.org/details/BohemiaUnderAustrianDepotism/page/n0 Bohemia Under Austrian Despotism] (1859, by Anthony Michael Dignowity, 236p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057698106&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=207 Wesleyan-Methodist Magazine, v.83] (1860, incl. Constance and John Huss)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001942325?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Life%20and%20times%20of%20John%20Huss&amp;ft= The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 1] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 632p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011530740 3rd edition] (1871)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002073106859;view=1up;seq=7 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century, volume 2] (1863, by Ezra Hall Gillet, 651p.)
** [https://archive.org/details/lifetimesof02gill/page/n5 The life and times of John Huss ; or, The Bohemian reformation of the fifteenth century] (1870, by Ezra Hall Gillet)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89097238216;view=1up;seq=1 American criticism ; or, the North American review and the &quot;Life and times of John Huss.&quot;] (1866, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008627104 Church constitution of the Bohemian and Moravian Brethren: the original Latin, with a translation, notes, and introduction] (1866, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by B. Seifferth, 200p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592567?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Heroes%20of%20Bohemia&amp;ft= Heroes of Bohemia : Huss, Jerome and Zisca] (c1871, by John William Mears, 350p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005786077 The infallibility of the Pope at the Council of Constance; the trial of Hus, his sentence and death at the stake, in two letters by a member of the council, Fra Poggius, to his friend and brother in Christ, Leonhard Nikolai] (1930 edition of 1875 forgery, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008925660?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The gospel in Bohemia : sketches of Bohemian religious history] (1877, by E. Jane Whately, 182p.)
* [http://kramerius.nkp.cz/kramerius/handle/ABA001/11338567 Few words on the native question] (1877, by Emil Holub, 8p, downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101063842239&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=362 Report of proceedings of the first General Presbyterian Council, convened at Edinburgh, July, 1877] (includes some texts by Vincent Dusek)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000861979&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=847 Report of proceedings of the Second General Council of the Alliance, convened at Philadelphia, September, 1880] (includes 2 texts by Ferdinand Císař)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012410227?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Conrad : a tale of Wiclif and Bohemia] (1881, by Emma Leslie, 293p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066931 John Amos Comenius: bishop of the Moravians, his life and educational works] (1881, by S. S. Laurie., 239p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705219?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Wratislaw%2C%20Albert%20Henry%2C%201822-1892.%22&amp;ft= John Hus the commencement of resistance to papal authority on the part of the inferior clergy] (1882, A.H. Wratislaw, 408p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015035866832&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=160 Proceedings of the Department of Superintendence of the National Educational Association…] (1881, includes 3 texts on Comenius)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001603107?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Wiclif%20and%20Hus&amp;ft= Wiclif and Hus] (1884, by Johann Loserth, 366p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007678296 Life of Right Rev. John N. Neumann, D.D., of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer. Fourth bishop of Philadelphia.] (1884, by Johan Berger, transl. Eugene Grimm, 457p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000554594 History of the Thirty Years' War] (1884, by Antonín Gindely, transl. by Andrew Ten Brook, 2 vols., 456+456p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003937486 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006663301 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100422942 other copies]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100723745 1898 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681802 Carlsbad and its environs] (1886, by John Merrylees, 199p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001643796?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1880-1889&amp;ft= Ancient families of Bohemia manor; their homes and their graves] (1888, by Charles Payson Mallery, 74p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951002232992o&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=147 Fund-Publications No. 30] (1889, by Maryland Hist. Society, includes A Maryland Manor (on A. Herman) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000122810280&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=101 Proceedings of the New Jersey Historical Society. ... ser.2,v.11-12 1890-1893] (includes Augustin Herrman, Bohemian, 1605–1686) by James Grant Wilson)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/421244415/?terms=%22frances%2Bgregor%22 The Severence News] (10 Apr. 1891, incl. The Women of Bohemia, by Frances Gregor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t2h78b35b&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=346 The Pennsylvania magazine of history and biography. ... v.15] (1891, includes Copy of the Will of Augustine Herrman; of Bohemia Manor)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3508915&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=12 Educational Review, vol. 3] (1892, includes 5 texts on Comenius)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/207040709/?terms=herman The Sun, 23 Oct. 1892] (includes Lord of Bohemia Manor, author E. N. Vallandigham according to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x004383259&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=51 this source])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100113615?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=story%20of%20bohemia&amp;ft= Wenzel's inheritance, or, Faithful unto death] (1893, by Annie Lucas, 404p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007695759 Pictures from Bohemia drawn with pen and pencil] (1894, by James Baker, 192p., 108 illustr.)
**[https://archive.org/details/pictures_from_bohemia/page/n13 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006523097 The Gypsy road] (1894, by Grenville A. J. Cole, 166p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ucw.ark:/13960/t0pr7wm6z&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=848 400 years of freethought] (by Samuel P. Putnam, 1894, 874p., includes chapters Modern Bohemia, p.634–637 and Jaroslav Vostrovsky, p.814)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112051960257&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=32 Music, vol. 8] (incl. Stimuli to Genius by J. J. Král)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008318615 Johnson's universal cyclopædia] (1893–1897, articles by Josef Jiří Král in vols 4 to 6)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006773706 The history of the church known as the Unitas Fratrum, Or, The unity of the Brethren, founded by the followers of John Hus, The Bohemian reformer and martyr] (1885, by Edmund de Schweinitz, 693p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396 Bohemia:An Historical Sketch] (1896 edition, by Fr. Lützow)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-03/ed-1/?sp=5&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.163,0.493,0.567,0.355,0 Riots break out anew in Prague] (New York journal and advertiser, December 3, 1897)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-12-07/ed-1/?sp=6&amp;st=text&amp;r=0.526,-0.092,0.52,0.647,0 The Austrian Crazy Quilt] (By Thomas Čapek, in New York journal and advertiser, December 7, 1897)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001155563 Communism in central Europe in the time of the reformation] (1897, by Karl Kautsky, 293p.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002805954&amp;local_base=NK Short life of the venerable servant of God John Nepomucene Neumann, C.SS.R., Bishop of Philadelphia] (1897, by J. Magnier, 99p, Available in NKCR)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002949044&amp;local_base=SKC The Bohemian Question] (1898, by František Lützow, excerpt from The nineteenth Century. Dec. 1898. Vol. XI-IV. No. 262; avaliable in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100542963?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1900&amp;ft= 1866 in Boemia] (1900, by Enrico Barone, 2 vols)
* [https://archive.org/details/freechurchinland23amer The free church in the land of John Huss] (1899, 24p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064475369 The Nineteenth Century] (v. 46. December 1899, Austria at the End of the Century, by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007681396?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= A History of Bohemian Literature] (1899, by Fr. Lützow, London:Heinemann, 425p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100554414?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1900 version] (New York: D. Appleton and Company)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001853985?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20bohemian%20literature&amp;ft= 1907 edition] (London:Heinemann)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.31103/page/n7 1917 edition] (London:Heinemann)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066921 Comenius and the beginnings of educational reform] (1900, by W. S. Monroe, 184p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006495751 1912 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009015462 The British-American guide to Carlsbad] (1900, by S. A. Arany, 89p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001935375 The Council of Constance to the death of John Hus; being the Ford lectures delivered in the University of Oxford in Lent term, 1900]] (by James Hamilton Wylie, 192p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100759243 another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001463573 The universal anthology; a collection of the best literature, ancient, mediæval and modern] (by Richard Garnett et al., publ. 1899–1902, volume 29?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006524330?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22The%20Age%20of%20Hus%22&amp;ft= The dawn of the Reformation] (1902, by Herbert B. Workman, volume 2: The age of Hus, 374p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015038792795&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=984 Outline v 73] (1903, includes The Bohemian in America by Edward A. Steiner)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001473603 The follies of science at the court of Rudolph II, 1576-1612] (1904, by Henry Carrington Bolton 217p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006801133 Carlsbad as it was and is. A guide for visitors] (1904, by Josef Ruff, 176p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001966103?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22Prague%20and%20its%22&amp;ft= Prague and its Environs] (1905, 49p)
**[https://archive.org/details/pragueanditsenv00firgoog/page/n5 another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishhistorica21londuoft/page/566 The English Historical Review, vol. 21, 1906] (incl. art. by Fr. Lützow: ''Geschichte Böhmens'' on the work of Adolf Bachmann, p.562–566)
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 17, 1906.djvu/265|The Czech Ethnographical Review]] (1906, by F. P. Marchant, in Folk-Lore, a quarterly review)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433068282668&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=298 Champlain educator, vol. 25] (1906, incl. The Catholic Bohemians of the United States, by Valentine Kohlbeck)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3609490&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=353 Maryland historical magazine. v.1] (1906, includes The Labadists of Bohemia Manor by Geo. Armistead Leakin)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia&amp;id=njp.32101064485293&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=968&amp;num=890 Who's who in Ameria] (1906/07 edition, articles including expression &quot;Bohemia&quot;, among others article on Aleš Hrdlička)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000638860 more volumes]
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusswitness00kuhn/page/n5 John Huss : The Witness] (c1907, by Oscar Kuhns, 174p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080394128&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=906 The Christian Register, v.86] (1907, incl. 2 texts by Masaryk, p. 898 and 1146)
* [https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/ben_listy/search/page/1 Czecho-Slovak Student Life] (1909–1931)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001415842 Pope John the Twenty-third, and Master John Hus of Bohemia] (1910, Eustace J. Kitts, 446p)
* [https://archive.org/details/narrativesofearl0013hall/page/n13/mode/2up Narratives of early Maryland, 1633-1684] (1910, by Clayton Colman Hall, 460p, includes Journal of the Dutch Embassy to Maryland by Augustine Herrman, 1659)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007705651 Bohemia, 1866] (1912, by Neill Malcolm, 146p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100598205 Guide to the royal city of Prague and to the kingdom of Bohemia] (1911, 224p)
** [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028173197/page/n157 1912 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100769714 another 1912 copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000519209 Essays by divers hands, being the transactions of the Royal Society of Literature] (vol. 30, 1911, includes Later thoughts on the apostles of Moravia and Bohemia by Francis Lützow, p. 225–243)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=bohemia;id=loc.ark%3A%2F13960%2Ft8cg01b61;view=1up;seq=9;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Some Bohemians in the Notable men of Illinois &amp; their state] (1912)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007693836 A primer of civics designed for the guidance of the immigrant] (1912, by J. J. Zmrhal, 66p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.23492417 The Fortnightly. v.100] (1913, includes Bohemian Sokol by Walter Jerrold, 12p, PDF ALREADY DOWNLOADED)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005974279 Sadowa: a study] (1913, by H. Bonnal ; translated from the French by C.F. Atkinson, 255p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011224886 The Bohemians; a study of the &quot;Land of the cup and the book&quot;] (c1914, by Edith Fowler Chase, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.65548665&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=893 North American Review, vol. 200] (Dec. 1914, incl. Nationalism in Bohemia and Poland by Herbert Adolphus Miller, see also [https://jfredmacdonald.com/worldwarone1914-1918/czecho-14nationalism-in-bohemia.html])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009561194 The position of the Bohemians (Czechs) in the European war] (1915, 40p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001636353 Some new sources for the life of Blessed Agnes of Bohemia, including a fourteenth century Latin version] (1915, by Walter W. Seton, 176p)
* [https://archive.org/details/johnhusmartyrofb00schw/page/n7 John Hus: The Martyr of Bohemia] (1915, by William Nathaniel Schwarze, 152p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004260397 Current History, v3] (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=493 Problem of Small Nations in the Crisis of Europe] by Masaryk, December 1915, p425, and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044098617079&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1107 Bohemia], February 1916, p991]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100590965?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Declaration of the Bohemian (Czech) Foreign Committee : Comments of London papers.] (1915, 16p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101033289800 Collections of the Kansas State Historical Society, v.13 (1913-14)] (1915, includes Bohemians in Central Kansas by Francis J. Swehla, 45p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-25108350/page/n1 An Uncouth Slav Dialect] (1915, by Charles Pergler, from The North American Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102628654 A memorial to the International] (1915, Socialist Party (US), Bohemian Section, 40p., 4 languages)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/33250805 John Huss] (6 July 1915, The Times)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=NruraRZNWI4C Semi-millennial Commemoration of the Jan Hus Martyrdom, Burned at the Stake in Constance, July Sixth, Fourteen Hundred and Fifteen] (1915, by Herbert Adolphus Miller; Francis Lützow; Šárka B Hrbková)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006743351&amp;local_base=SKC a copy in Náprstkovo muzeum]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100585249 The problem of small nations in the European crisis] (1916, by T. G. Masaryk, 32p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015050652984&amp;seq=212 The New York times current history of the European war v.7] (1916 Apr-Jun, includes The Great Teutonic Plan by T. G. Masaryk)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009567294 Bohemian hopes and aspirations] (c1916, by Charles Pergler, 17p.)
**[https://archive.org/details/bohemianczechhop00perg another copy]
**[https://www.loc.gov/item/17020017/ another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008016872 Pamphlets on Czechoslovakia] (1916, by Seton-Watson, illustrations?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600174?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Austrian terrorism in Bohemia] (1916?, by T. G. Masaryk, 38p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006829694?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=bohemian%20in%20america&amp;ft= Orgán bratrstva–Brotherhood Organ], vol. 24, 1916 (in Czech, includes some English texts, e. g. on Karel Havlíček B., Comenius...)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 9 and 10 (1916), includes Bohemia: Her story and her claims by F. P. Marchant, p. 147, and A fair hearing and no favour, p. 363 (downloaded)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012288821?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D The Country gentleman] (vol. 81, 1 July 1916, includes New Bohemia, Virginia; colony of alien farmers, by  R. G. Carroll)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063560 The New Europe] (1916–20)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100370849 Bohemia; a brief evaluation of Bohemia's contribution to civilization] (1917,ed. by J. J. Zmrhal and Vojta Beneš, 63p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4806447&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=839 The North American Review, vol. 206] (1917, Bohemian Appreciation by Pergler, Bohemia the Submerged Front by Stephen Bonsal)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1172239/page/n1 The Austrian Problem] (1917, by Charles Pergler, in Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science in the City of New York, Volume 7)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012266476?type%5B%5D The Literary Digest] (includes Our Bohemian Fighters in v54? 23 June 1917? or 1920?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008569287?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czechoslovak%20review&amp;ft= The Bohemian Review / The Czechoslovak Review] (1917–1924)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044083330506&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=55 Volume 5] (1921, includes Sunflower by Machar, Well of Oblivion by Vrchlický, and poems by Březina, Sova, Bezruč)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000743549b;view=1up;seq=8 Volume 6] (1922, includes articles &quot;The World We Live In&quot; on Karel Čapek, &quot;Czech Literature&quot; and &quot;Note on Petr Bezruč&quot; by P. Selver, poems by Zeyer and Sova, Machar, Čech, Březina, Vrchlický, Sládek, Kvapil, Neruda-Kosmic Songs,...)

* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100587017 Should Austria-Hungary exist?] (1918, by Charles Pergler, 24p, reprinted from the The Yale Review, see below)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057529772&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=320 The Yale Review, new ser., v.7] (January 1918, includes Should Austria-Hungary exist? by Charles Pergler)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/478668799/ Sioux City Journal from Sioux City, Iowa] (September 7, 1918, includes article on Charles Pergler)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100678057 Austrian socialism and the present war] (1918, by Vladimir Nosek, 15p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462 American Leader] (1918, includes Four New Nations by L. N. Hammerling, The oppressed in Austria-Hungary by Ira E. Bennet, The Czechoslovaks in America by Jaroslav Císař)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101057051789&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=545&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=pergler The Bohemian question] (in Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 72)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435005668553;view=1up;seq=18 The demands of the Bohemian people] (1917, by Jaroslav F. Smetánka, 13p)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015047660116&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=171 original article in The Journal of international relations. v.8 no.2, Oct. 1917]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011817428 Economic strength of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) lands] (1918, by Vojta Beneš, tr. J. F. Smetanka, 23p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008733148?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Meeting of the Lawyers Club ... New York City. Subject: Czecho-Slovako--Middle Europe] (1918, incl. contribution by Masaryk, 28p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169387 Bohemian (Čech) bibliography] (1918)
* [https://archive.org/details/slavsofaustriahu00hrbk/page/n5 The Slavs of Austria-Hungary] (1918, by Šárka Hrbková, 30p)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1945847/page/n1 Recognition of the Czechoslovak Nation] (1918, in  The American Political Science Review, Volume 12)
* The Asiatic Review, vol. 13 and 14, (1918), incl. The Cecho-Slovaks in Russia and the British Declaration, by F. P. Marchant (downloaded)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000689119&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=194 The Independent, vol. 95] (1918, incl. The Czech Revolt)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20645911/ letter to the editor] (New York Times, Feb. 1918, G. H. Mika and Ch. Pergler challenging Wilson’s decision to maintain Hapsburg Empire)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210016795583&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=331 New Outlook v. 118] (1918, incl. The Army of Victory or Death by G. H. Mika)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112109863743&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=462&amp;q1=bohemian American leader. v.13] (1918, includes The Czechoslovak in America by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.d0000703181&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=520&amp;q1=ferment The World’s Work, vol. 35] (1918, no. 5 includes The Ferment in Bohemia, by Richard Wilmer Rowan)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064466194&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=233 Peace via Austria] (in The Unpopular Review, v. 10, 1918, by Jaroslav Císař)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=402&amp;q1=hazen The Czecho-Slovaks, part 1] (12 October 1918, by Charles Downer Hazen, in The Saturday Evening Post)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=iau.31858030119204&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=475&amp;q1=hazen part 2]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009261801 German trade and the war: commercial and industrual conditions in war time and the future outlook] (1918, by Chauncey Depew Snow and J. J. Král; includes appendices by Masaryk and Rašín; 236p; extensive tables)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000067504909&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=10 Asia, vol. 18] (1918, includes articles The Fighting Czechoslovakia by Maynard Owen Williams, The Future Czechoslovak State by Charles Pergler, The Singing Czechoslovaks by Louise Llewellyn and Prague, city of seven hills: Eight Etchings by J. C. Vondrous)
* [https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/page/n14 The campaign in Bohemia 1866]
**[https://archive.org/details/campaigninbohem00glgoog/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofprague00lutz/page/n9 The story of Prague]
* [https://archive.org/details/onplainpeaksport00hodgiala/page/n7 On plain and peak]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028101073/page/n0 Bohemia and the Čechs] (110, by Monroe W. S., 488p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/germansinbohemia00berlrich/page/n3 The Germans in Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064078957&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=114 Pearson's magazine. v.38] (July 1917-Apr. 1918, includes The Czechs and their Bohemia and other articles by or about Guido Bruno)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000668193&amp;local_base=SKC The Czechoslovak Republic : travelling Information and Literature, Circular Drives through the Town of Prague] (between 1918 and 1938?)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814534&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak Republic, Prague : The Union for Promoting Tourist Traffic to the Czechoslovak Republic] (after 1922, same as above or different????)
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028113185/page/n1 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]
* [https://archive.org/details/presidentmasaryk00sarorich/page/n5 President Masaryk and the spirit of Abraham Lincoln]
* [http://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:b7eb9220-9b86-11e5-84c7-005056827e52?page=uuid:8311f5f0-b3d0-11e5-82dc-5ef3fc9bb22f Prussian Upper Silesia and the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 15p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000814521&amp;local_base=NKC Těšín Silesia, an integrant part of the Czech State] (1919, by Jan Kapras, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600179 The rise of the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1919, by Aleš Brož, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401184 Leslie's photographic review of the great war]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010107669 Czecho-Slovak secondary schools] (1919, by Karel Velemínský, The Czecho-Slovak Republic ; Vol. IV., Part 3)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t0tq6ck2w;view=1up;seq=5 Protocol to the Treaty of Peace with Germany] (1919, sign. among others Karel Kramář)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010656316 Report on labor situation of Austria, Hungary, and the Czecho-Slovak Republic] (1919?, 31p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596215 Czechs and Poles in Těšín Silesia] (1919, by Jan Hejret, transl. Otakar Vočadlo, 10p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Charles%20Pergler&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak State] (1919, by Charles Pergler, 32p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/jstor-1014141/page/n1 An Experiment in Progressive Government. The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Charles Pergler, in  Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Volume 84.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005874109?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= In the world war] (1919, by Ottokar Czernin, 352p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041802984&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=43 Geographical review. vol8] (1919, incl. Czecho-Slovakia and its people, by Milivoy S. Stanoyevich, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030227774&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=176 Publications of the Nebraska State Historical Society, vol. 19] (1919, includes Bohemians in Nebraska by Šárka B. Hrbková, different from Boh. in N. published in Bohemian Review)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005594518 American deportation and exclusion laws: a report] (submitted by Charles Recht, Counsel, to the N.Y. Bureau of Legal Advice, January 15, 1919)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785209 In the matter of L. C. A. K. Martens, an alleged alien] (1920?, by Charles Recht, attorney, 104p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000401753?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=czernin&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= 1920 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89095908877&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=221 The Americas, vol. 5, 1919] (incl. Picturesque Old Bohemia to be a New Market for American Products, 11p)
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924066373345&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=655 Outlook, New outlook. v.121 1919] (incl. A Panorama of Central Europe: An authorized interview with Dr. Thomas G. Masaryk…, by Gregory Mason)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 The Literary Digest v.61:no.1511-1516 (1919)]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=33 Bohemians in the United States]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnyw11&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=496 The plain and illuminating tale of a Czecho-Slovak private] (reprinted from the Bohemian Review, vol. 2, December no.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn46bh&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=559 The American review of reviews v.59 (1919)] (incl. The Music of the Czechoslovaks)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100165019 Bohemia's endeavors at world's peace arbitration and world's federation] (1919, by Leon Zelenka Lerando, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006670800 The right of the Germans of Bohemia to dispose of themselves] (c1919, a speech delivered by Dr. Rudolph Lodgman von Auen, 12p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.ax0003286820 Treaty between the principal Allied and associated powers and Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, 11p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz/F/6QNRJHMS9B2XR1I3AT6265BYK8RP7MD36RYQBYR8K1EXJG682A-28037?func=full-set-set&amp;set_number=008954&amp;set_entry=000427&amp;format=999 Geographical sketch, outline of the history and importance of the Bohemian (Czechoslovak) State] (1919, by Stanislav Nikolau, 34p, VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008729796 Agricultural schools in Czecho-Slovakia] (1919, by Fr. Sitenský, 28p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:3fab3f30-d44b-11e3-b110-005056827e51 Insurance companies: The Czechoslovak Republic] (1919, by Karel Svoboda, 18p, KRAMERIUS online)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.18645619&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=546 The Public, v.22] (1919, incl. President Masaryk of Bohemia by E. F. Prantner)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032310047&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=174 Transactions, vol.21] (1919, includes Comenius and Harvard College by Albert Matthews)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005207215 Eastern Europe] (1919–1922, journal, includes &quot;Czech and Slovak&quot; by Baudiš, &quot;The Danubian Federation&quot; by J. Císař, &quot;Modern Czech Literature&quot; by P. Selver and others in vol. 5, &quot;The foundations of Czech culture&quot; by Baudiš in vol. 6)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/844899365/ Freeport Journal-Standard 8 May 1919] (includes Prague, The Capital of The Czechoslovaks by Donald L. Breed; linked from [[The Czechoslovak Review/Volume 3/Current Topics (6)]])
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/103093870 Czecho-Slovak music and the British press]. Report on the Czecho-Slovak festival in London (May 25th-June 3rd, 1919), with press comments. (1919, 86p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000020200800&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=297 Current Opinion, v66] (includes article The importance of the Czecho-Slovak state to Europe, by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924062393743 Current history, vol. 11] (1920)
**Religious problems of Czechoslovakia (very short)
**Event in two new Slavic states (3+p., includes New Czechoslovak cabinet)
**Three founders of the Czech (sic) Republic (by Louise Weiss, 3p)
* [https://archive.org/details/geographicalimpo00fodouoft/page/6 The geographical impossibility of the Czech State]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000335479 The Čechs (Bohemians) in America; a study of their national, cultural, political, social, economic and religious life, by Thomas Čapek] (1920)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101076459658&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=245 The Catholic historical review, new ser. vol. 1] (1922, review of The Cechs (Bohemians) in America)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001127423 The Czechs and Slovaks in American banking] ([1920], by Thomas Čapek, 60p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006084362?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Economic and social position of women in the Czechoslovak republic] (1920, by Plamínková, 19p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144223?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The Czecho-slovak national movement] (1920?, 3p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006691947 A history of Czechs (Bohemians) in Nebraska] (1929, by Rose Rosický, 492p., maps, &lt;u&gt;FULL VIEW&lt;/u&gt;)
* Augustine Herman : 1606-1686, founder of Bohemia manor (1929, by Henry Arthur Stump, not to be found anywhere)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=karel&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Jugoslavs and the Czechoslovak Republic] (1920, Czecho-Slovak Foreigner's Office, 12p.)
* [https://www.loc.gov/resource/dcmsiabooks.ourlittleczechos00winl/?st=gallery Our Little Czecho-Slovak Cousin] (1920, by Clara Vostrovsky Winlow, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009833813 Jugoslavs and the Czecho-Slovak republic] (1920, by Karel Kadlec, 12p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006270976 The land question] (1920, by Joseph Macek, 14p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063431 Bohemia and Moravia] (1920, by H. M. Stationery Office, 109p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006271892 The Czechoslovak republic; its economical, industrial and cultural resources]. (1920, collected under the direction of Jar. Císař by Fr. Pokorný and P. Selver. 83p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604490 The Czechoslovak Republic] (1921, Císař, Jaroslav, Pokorný, František, 197p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005906607 The problem of Upper Silesia] (1921, by Sidney Osborne, 180p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/otakarbezinastud00selv/page/30 Otakar Březina : A study in Czech literature] (1921)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008702846 Another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008367261?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czecho Slovak Republic] (1921, by R. W. Seton Watson, 14p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144216?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Three years of the Czechoslovak republic, a survey of its progress and achievements] (1921, by Aleš Brož, 40p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/cechbohemiancomm00cape_0/page/n0 The Čechoslovaks : The Čech (Bohemian) community of New York] (1921, by Thomas Čapek, 93p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001432116 The eight-hour day act and its application to agriculture in Czecho-Slovakia] (1921, 96p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100163976?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Lutzow&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= The life &amp; times of Master Jan Hus]] (1921 edition, by Count Lützow, 372p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000080211 Transactions of the Celtic Congress] (1921 vol. includes The Re-Establishment of the Czech Literary Language by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113231/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923c.htm rewritten online]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.096959409&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=657&amp;q1=comenius School and Society, vol. 13] (1921, includes The spirit of Jan Amos Comenius in the education of the Czechoslovak Republic by B. (Bedřich?) Stepanek)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008914617 The foreign policy of Czechoslovakia, speech of Dr. E. Beneš ... in the House of Deputies, 27 January, 1921] (1921, by Edvard Beneš, 35p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000336409 The Czecho-Slovaks in America] (c1922, by Kenneth D. Miller, 192p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011596226?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Masaryk's realism and the Czech nation] (1922, by Edward Z. Rowell, 186p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/graphicartofczec00john/page/n0 Graphic art of Czechoslovakia] (1922)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600183?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The Czechoslovak Republic : a survey of its history and geography, its political and cultural organisation, and its economic resources] (1922, by J. Císař and F. Pokorný, 5 p. l., 3-218 p. illus., plates, port., fold. map, diagrs.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000400155?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Eminent Europeans] (1922, by Eugene S. Bagger, incl. part on Masaryk?, 283p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009796460?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Bohemia from the earliest times to the foundation of the Czecho-Slovak republic in 1918] (1922, by Edmund C. Maurice, 576p.)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106017174647&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=875 The Century illustrated monthly magazine, vol104] (1922, incl. The Yankees of Central Europe, by James Alton James, 7p)
* [https://aleph.mzk.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000640449&amp;local_base=MZK01&amp;format=999 The Slavs after the War] (1922, by T. G. Masaryk, 23p, available in MZK Brno)
** [https://www.jstor.org/stable/4201583 JSTOR]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006785464 These help build America] (1922, by Emil F. Prantner, 112p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102585283 The Slavonic and East European review] (1922–1949)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523281 more volumes]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662774 other copies]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006662773 other copies]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153698 Financial policy of Czecho-Slovakia during the first year of its history] (1923, A. Rašín, 160p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000040157 From a terrace in Prague] (1923, by Lieut.-Col. B. Granville Baker, 262p., illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002036441?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=History%20of%20Bohemia&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateRange%3A1920-1929&amp;ft= Nicholas Glassberger and his works, with the text of his Major cronica Boemorum moderna (A. D. 1200-1310)] (1923, by Walter Seton, 117)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=003000595&amp;local_base=SKC The Religious Problem of Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Clarence Augustus Manning, 13p, SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100122761 Six Great Scientists] (1923, by Margaret Avery, 100p, includes chapter on Mendel)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006591175?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Prague, the capital of the Czechoslovak Republic], by Městská spořitelna pražská, 30p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522317?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Social policy in the Czechoslovak Republic, for the International congress on social policy in Prague] (1924, by Sociální ústav Československé Republiky)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522563?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Bro%C5%BE&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Czechoslovakia; a survey of economic and social conditions] (1924, by Josef Gruber (ed.), Brož, Klíma, Král, 256p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231?type%5B%5D=author&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=Masaryk&amp;fqor-language%5B%5D=English&amp;filter%5B%5D=publishDateTrie%3A%5B%22%2A%22%20TO%20%221924%22%5D&amp;ft= President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923.] (1924, 141p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006665829 Czechoslovak help to the Russian and Ukraine emigration] (1924, 140p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=506 The nation, v.119] (July-Dec 1924, includes &quot;Savinkov’s story&quot; about Masaryk)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b000550790&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=700 The nation, v.119] (&quot;Savinkov and Masaryk&quot; by Charles Pergler)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=bc.ark:/13960/t48p9fm1m&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=57 Woodstock letters, v.53, no.2] (1924, includes Protestantism in Czechoslovakia by Zaroslav? Ovecka)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144324 East of Prague] (1924, by C.J.C. Street, preface by His Excellency Dr. Vojtěch Mastný)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000567296 Five years of Czechoslovak foreign policy] (1924, by Edvard Beneš, 39p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=006716993&amp;local_base=SKC Czechoslovaks as Americans] (1924, Chicago: Czechoslovak National Council of America, AVAILABLE in SKC)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600231 President Masaryk in Paris, Brussels and London in October, 1923] (1924)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965479 The late Count Lützow; a tribute to the memory of a great Bohemian patriot.] (1925, collected and edited by Dr. A. Sum, 71 p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600180 Origins of the Czechoslovak state] (1926, by Thomas Čapek, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798901 Czechoslovakia, the land of an unconquerable ideal] (1926, by Jessie Mothersole, 296p with sixty illustrations)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010513619 The problem of the small nations after the world war, a lecture] (1926?, by Edward Beneš, 28p, reprinted from Slavonic Review) (AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102105950 Czechoslovakia] (1926, by Helena C. Schott, 69p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009384854?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=masaryk&amp;filter%5B%5D=language%3AEnglish&amp;ft= Liber amicorvum Romain Rolland] (1926, includes contribution by Masaryk, 405p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010586013 Czecho Slovak pictorial weekly. Česko slovenský obrázkový týdeník.] (1926, just one issue)
* [https://books.google.cz/books/about/Huss_and_His_Followers.html?id=i_wOAAAAQAAJ Huss and His Followers] (1926, by Jan Herben, 214p)
* [https://archive.org/details/spiritofbohemia00vlad/page/n5/mode/2up The Spirit of Bohemia] (1927, by Vladimir Nosek, 379p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001085657&amp;local_base=NKC The Semi-Centennial Jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois] (1927, By Jan Diviš, A free English version of J.J. Jelínek’s Bohemian historical sketch by J.E.S. Vojan, 134p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631402 The middle Euphrates, a topographical itinerary] (1927, by Alois Musil, 426p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631403 Palmyrena, a topographical itinerary] (1928, by Alois Musil, 367p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631405 The manners and customs of the Rwala Bedouins] (1928, by Alois Musil, 712p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009007215 A Bohemian scholar at Heidelberg and Oxford in the 16th century. Jan Bernart of Přerov (1553-1600)] (1928, by Robert Fitzgibbon Young, 20p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001456146 Antonín Dvořák] (1928, by Karel Hoffmeister, translated by Rosa Harriet Jeaffreson Newmarch, 132p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001042342&amp;local_base=NKC The America of Today (1929, by Aleš Brož, 47p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000066025 Year-book of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1929, by Bohuslav Horák (ed.), 318p?)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001865696 In the Arabian desert] (1930, by Alois Musil, 339p)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001162487&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Augustine Herrman of Bohemia manor] (1930, by Thomas Čapek, 35p, available in VKOL)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102646351 The Moravians and the Czech contribution to the early history of Ohio ... published in remembrance of the Gnadenhutten Sesqui-centennial Commemoration of the Massacre of the Moravian Christian Indians] (1932, American National Alliance of Czechoslovaks, 28p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600152 Bohemia in the eighteenth century] (1932, by Robert Joseph Kerner, 412p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiuo.ark:/13960/t11n94f57&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=58 World's fair memorial of the Czechoslovak group (Czechs and Slovaks) international exposition, Chicago, 1933, incoporated.] (1933, 184p, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001507029&amp;local_base=NKC The Quest for Polar Treasures] (1933, by Jan Welzl, translated by M.R. Weatherall, 352p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001495741 Life of Mendel] (1932, by Hugo Iltis, trans. by Eden and Cedar Paul, 336p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005945231King Edward VII at Marienbad; political and social life at the Bohemian spas] (1934, by Sigmund Münz, 303p, 42 illustrations, ACCESSIBLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006798917 President Masaryk tells his story] (1934, recounted by Karel Čapek; translated by D. R. (probably Dora Round who the 1936 edition is attributed to), 302p)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965548 1935 edition]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102930638 1936 edition, tr. by Dora Round)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045160&amp;local_base=NK Czechoslovak literature and science 1935 : Selections] (1936, [Prague] : American Institute in Czechoslovakia, 127p, NK ČR)
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.173970/page/n3 Defender of Democracy Masaryk speaks] (1936)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001604518 Beneš, statesman of central Europe] (1936, by Pierre Crabitès, 293p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002640467&amp;local_base=NKC Immigrant Problems] (1937, by Emil F. Prantner, 12s, AVAILABLE from NKCR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/40187871 The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Struggle for Czechoslovak Independence] (1938, by Joseph Jahelka, in Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society (1908-1984))
* [https://archive.org/details/democracytodayto00bene/page/n0 Democracy today and tomorrow] (1939, by Edvard Beneš, 243p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006144299 Czechoslovakia; its sacrifice and future] (c1939, by Czechoslovak National Council of America, 101p)
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/524121555/ The Role of Chicago Czechs in the Fight for Czechoslovak Independence] (by Joseph Jahelka, in Berwyn Life, 5 April 1939)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002213257&amp;local_base=SKC Ten Million Prisoners (Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia)] (1940, by Vojta Beneš, R. A. Ginsburg, 180p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006063483 Nazi barbarism in Czechoslovakia] (1940, by Edvard Beneš, 31p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006076662 Czechoslovakia's struggle for freedom] (1941, by Dr. Edvard Beneš, 16p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006006033 Culture lives on in occupied Czechoslovakia; lecture delivered on 13th November, 1941, at the Czechoslovak institute, London] (1941?, by Dr. Gustav Winter, 22p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/i350999 The Slavonic Year-Book, American Series] (1941, includes ''Problems of the Reign of George of Poděbrady'', pp. 206-222, by Otakar Odložilík; Czechoslovakia; Twenty Years of Independence by R. J. Kerner, pp. 395-396, review by J. B. Kozák
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666184&amp;local_base=NKC The Story of two peoples, or, Czechoslovak and German morality] (1942, by Vojta Beneš, 20p, publ. in Chicago, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001029768&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Masaryk in England] (1943, by R.W. Seton-Watson, 206p, AVAILABLE in VKOL)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001045874&amp;local_base=NKC Slavs in the United States census : 1850-1940 : with special references to Czechoslovaks] (1943, by Thomas Čapek, 15p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slaveasteurorevi The Slavonic and East European Review. American Series] (1943–1944)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000177543&amp;local_base=NKC Czechoslovakia in European History] (1943, by Samuel Harrison Thomson, 390p)
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000666341&amp;local_base=NKC 1944 edition]
**[https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001538448&amp;local_base=NKC 1953 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600260 Czechoslovakia fights back: a document of the Czechoslovak Ministry of Foreign Affairs]] (1943, introduction by Jan Masaryk, 210p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3160037 Peter Chelčický: The Spiritual Father of the Unitas Fratrum] (1943, by Matthew Spinka, in Church History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Dec., 1943), pp. 271-291)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 The Angel of Peace] (1944, by J. A. Comenius, transl. by W. A. Morison, 125p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=002474422&amp;local_base=SKC The role of Czechoslovakia : a talk to educational officers of H.M. Forces] (1944, by Jaroslav Císař, 16p)
* [https://archive.org/details/Czechoslovak-russianTreatyMay81944/page/n3 Czechoslovak-Russian Treaty 1944]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600386 Edvard Benes̆ in his own words: threescore years of a statesman, builder and philosopher] (1944, by Edvard Beneš and Karel Hudec, 136p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001965526 Dr. Edvard Beneš, president of Czechoslovakia; the Czechoslovak stateman's official wartime visit to the United States and Canada in 1943] (c1944, by Thomas John Watson, 156p, AVAILABLE from Hathitrust)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007561476 Sokol, educational and physical culture association] (1944, by Jarka Jelínek and Jaroslav Zmrhal, 112p, NO NOTICE)
* [https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/NT_Nazi-conspiracy.html Nazi Conspiracy] (8 volumes of various documents connected with WWII)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/amerslaveasteuro The American Slavic and East European Review] (1945–1961, although Cambridge University Press is given, inside there is written &quot;Published for the American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies --&gt; published in the U.S.)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000394410&amp;local_base=NKC The opening of the Prague parliament: message of president Dr. Edvard Beneš to the national assembly of the Czechoslovak Republic] (1946, introduction Václav Osvald; two speeches by Josef David, president of the National Assembly; the programme of the Government under the Premiership of Zdeněk Fierlinger; translated by William Beardmore, 19p, AVAILABLE from NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005973893 A key to Czechoslovakia, the territory of Kladsko (Glatz): A study of a frontier problem in middle Europe] (1946, by Milič,  Čapek, 153p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001451967 Bohumil Shimek] (1947, by Walter Ferdinand Loehwing, 36p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001117139 Studies in the history of American education] (1947, includes Comenius and Harvard University by James R. Taylor, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000710251&amp;local_base=NKC The Founding of the Charles University of Prague] (1947, by František Kop; drawings by Josef Novák; transl. by Dr. William Beardmore, 57p)
* [https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/view/uuid:cd124600-90b4-11e8-9690-005056827e51?page=uuid:f42d9630-d2d7-11e8-9480-5ef3fc9ae867 The Lands of the Bohemian Crown their history and glory] (1947, anonymous, ed. Milka Hipmanová, tr. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 139p, mostly pictures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001592106 Venerable John Neumann, C.SS.R., fourth bishop of Philadelphia] (1952, by Michael J. Curley, 547p, AVAILABLE)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000126175&amp;local_base=NKC Purges in the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia] (1952, by P. Korbel and V. Vagassky, 55p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000712786 Czechoslovakia: an area manual (1955, edited by David Nelson Rowe and Willmore Kendall)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000823220 Czechoslovak-Polish Confederation and the Great Powers, 1940-43] (1956, by Piotr S. Wandycz, 152p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001600200 Czecho-Slovakia: a critical history]] (1961, by Kurt Glaser, 275p)
**[https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.110643/page/n3/mode/2up another copy]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102477297 Antonín Dvořák, 1841-1961] (1961, by Karel Boleslav Jirák, 31p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/journal/slavicreview Slavic Review] (1961–2019, at least early numbers published in the US, see the front matter) 
* [Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia Czech and Slovak periodical press outside Czechoslovakia: Its History and Status as of January 1962] (1962, by Vojtěch N. Duben, 99p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001112583&amp;local_base=NKC The Czechoslovak contribution to world culture] (1964, edited by Miloslav Rechcigl, 682p, AVAILABLE in NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001169389 Czechoslovakia, a bibliographic guide] (1967, by Rudolf Sturm, 157p)
* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/4634532 The Czechs in Wisconsin History] (by Karel D. Bicha, in The Wisconsin Magazine of History, Vol. 53, No. 3 (Spring, 1970), pp. 194-203 (10 pages)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102195430 Air transport services: agreement between the United States of America and the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic] (1986, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001105093 Masaryk &amp; America] (1988, by George J. Kovtun, 82p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32437010526495&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=5 Czechoslovakia: a country study] (1989, PUBLIC DOMAIN)
** [https://www.loc.gov/item/88600487/ copy from LoC library]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007409351 Czechoslovakia] (3 vols. 1989–1991, prepared by American Embassy Prague)
*[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009883093 Eastern European Business Bulletin] (1991–1994)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924092658065&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=60 1991–1992] (includes art. on Northern Bohemia)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=3 1993–1994] (beginning: Czech and Slovak Republics Enter New Era, Pardubice, maybe Telecomunication Consortium...)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924078664228&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=77 1993–1994] (middle–end: Anniversary of split; Eastern Bohemia; Distribution evolving in the Cz. R., etc. ..., Western Bohemia,..., South Bohemia, ... South Bohemia again)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423397 Peace Corps: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1990, 7p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423302 Scientific and technological cooperation: agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1991, 19p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102423303 Scientific and technical cooperation: earth sciences: memorandum of understanding between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia] (1992, 6p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210023601576&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=1 Treaties and other international acts series 11915] (1992, Agreement between the United States of America and Czechoslovakia, Aviation transport services)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009636318 United States Seed Act: assistance strategy for the Czech Republic, 1993-1995, submitted by American Embassy, Prague] (1993, 14p)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210012223911&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 Treaties and international agreements registered on 29 June 1995, No. 32007] (Treaty between EU and Czech Republic, PUBLIC DOMAIN per {{template|PD-UN}}, 640p, problematic signatures)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/003096588 Czech and Slovak history: an American bibliography] (1996, compiled by George J. Kovtun, 481p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/004120301 Democratizing Communist militaries: the cases of the Czech and Russian armed forces] (c1999, by Marybeth Peterson Ulrich, 292p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007425040 Additional investment protocol with the Czech Republic: message from the President of the United States transmitting additional protocol between the United States of America and the Czech Republic to the treaty between the United States of America and the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic concerning the reciprocal encouragement and protection of investment] (2003, 10p)

''Natural sciences''
*[https://archive.org/details/naturallphilosop00come/page/n3/mode/2up Naturall philosophie reformed by divine light, or, A synopsis of physicks] (1651, by Johann Amos Comenius, 256p.)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=philosophical+transactions+bohemia&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=bks&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjS8rK5gZDkAhXFdJoKHWcwDgkQ_AUIFygB&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=949 several articles in Philosophical Transactions]
*[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001264427&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=259 Part of a Letter from James Mounsey, ..., concerning ... the Baths at Carlsbad...] (1749, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 46)
*[https://archive.org/details/philosophicaltra4911roya/page/394 An account of an extraordinary Alteration in the Baths of Toplitz in Bohemia, on the first of November 1755] (1757, by [[:cs:w:Joseph Stepling|Joseph Stepling]], Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=443 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001301614&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=985 An Account of a Treatise, in Latin, presented and dedicated to the Royal Society, intituled &quot;Gottlob Caroli Sprinsfeld...&quot;] (1756, by William Watson, Philosophical Transactions, vol. 49)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?lookfor=ale%C5%A1%20hrdli%C4%8Dka&amp;searchtype=all&amp;ft=ft&amp;setft=true publications by Aleš Hrdlička]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011589026 Carlsbad and its natural healing agents] (1880, by Ignaz Kraus, 103p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008972246 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1883, by Eduard Hlawaček, 121p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100491635 Carlsbad; its thermal springs and baths, and how to use them] (1887, by Ignaz Kraus, 3ed revised and enlarged)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100132420 Saratoga chips and Carlsbad wafers. The pursuit of happiness and health at the two great mineral water resorts of America and Europe] (1887, by Nathan Sheppard)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=uoVBAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA37 Goldthwaite's Geographical Magazine, vol.1–2] (1891, includes A Bridal Trip in Africa: From Dr. Emil Holub’s Narative, page 37)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000919412 The action, therapeutic value and use of the Carlsbad sprudel salt (powder form) and its relation to the Carlsbad thermal water] (1891, by Walery Jaworski, tr. by Albert L. A. Toboldt, 100p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010592328 Carlsbad : a medico-practical guide] (1893, by Emil Kleen, 101p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100497750 Carlsbad; its springs and spring-products] (1895, by Ludwig Sipőcz, transl. by Schuman-Leclercq)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924080776861&amp;seq=439 Harper's new monthly magazine. V.90 1894-1895] (includes Music in America by Antonín Dvořák)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044041795170&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 American anthropologist v.11] (1898, incl. &quot;Study of the Normal Tibia&quot; and &quot;Physical Differences between White and Coloured Children&quot; by Aleš Hrdlička)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001677020&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=91 Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, v.10] (1898, incl. Marked Human Bones from a Prehistoric Tarasco Indian Burial Place in the State of Michoacan, Mexico. By Carl Lumholtz and Aleš Hrdlička; difficult tables)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007683799 The Carlsbad treatment for tropical and digestive ailments and how to carry it out anywhere] {1899, by Louis Tarleton Young 224p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002081203 Carlsbad, Clinical studies on the modes of action, indications for the use &amp; curative value of its mineral springs] (1910, Adolf Ritter, 104p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010849625 A Kansas surgeon in Karlsbad] (1910, by Dr. J. C. McClintock, 122p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001781811 Goethe in Karlsbad] (1922, by Franz Puchtinger, 190p)
*By and about Ferdinand Stoliczka:
**Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal. v.38 (1869). (includes [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=316 The Malacology of Lower Bengal and the adjoining provinces], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=250 On the Anatomy of Sagartia Schilleriana and Membranipora Bengalensis], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101077789905&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=445 Contributions towards the knowledge of Indian Arachnoidea]
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655265] [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009776223] Cretaceous fauna of southern India ... (Several volumes)
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c040042134&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=413 Proceedings of the California Academy of Sciences, v.5] (1873-74, includes Remarks on the death of Dr. Ferdinand Stoliczka).
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101648779 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission: Memoir of the life and work of Ferdinand Stoliczka] (1886, by V. Ball, 36 p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101816952?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka] (v1, v2)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044032821241 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Geology] (49p)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044107300329&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=7 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Neuroptera] (6p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100150238 Scientific results of the second Yarkand mission based upon the Collections and Notes of the late Ferdinand Stoliczka: Mamalia] (94p)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001655268?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=ferdinand%20stoliczka&amp;ft= Tertiary and Upper Cretaceous fauna of western India]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210020622179&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=280 Foreign seeds and plants imported by the Section of Seed and Plant Introduction, no. 1–8] (see pages 4, 5, 42, 50)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009124520 The Pteridophyta of the Island of Dominica : with notes on various ferns from tropical America] (1929, by Karel Domin, '''28p???''')
** [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000547310&amp;local_base=NKC copy in NKČR] ('''259p????''')
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001147889&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Agricultural problem in the new Europe] (1930, by Sigfried von Strakosch and Alois Chytil, partly in English, VKOL)
* [https://aleph.vkol.cz:443/F?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000703953&amp;local_base=SVK01&amp;format=999 Georgius Prochaska: A Pioneer in Modern Physiology (1749-1820)] (after 1930, by Vladislav Kruta, VKOL)
* [https://archive.org/details/scienceholyshrou0000rwhy/page/n7/mode/2up Science and the Holy Shroud] (1936, by R. W. Hynek, transl. Augustine Studeny, 152 pages, not available at the moment)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000713927&amp;local_base=NKC Georgius Prochaska : 1749-1820 : Professor of anatomy, physiology and ophtalmology at the universities of Prague and Vienna] (1949, by Vladislav Kruta, 15p, NK CR)
* [[Author:Lubomír Masner]]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001477504 The philosophical impact of contemporary physics] (1961, by Milič Čapek, 414p, AVAILABLE)

From Wikidata:
* [[wikidata:Q2982487|Stanislaus von Prowazek]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500532|Emanuel von Purkyně]]
* [[wikidata:Q3500567|Joseph Gottfried Mikan]]
* [[wikidata:Q4235284|Vincenz Franz Kosteletzky]]
* [[wikidata:Q5924438|Jacob Juratzka]]
* [[wikidata:Q12024182|Jaroslav Šulc]]
* [[wikidata:Q12017451|František Rambousek]]
* [[wikidata:Q12016933|František Bubák]]
* [[wikidata:Q13407718|Josef Poech]]
* [[wikidata:Q20651487|Jindřich Uzel]]
* [[wikidata:Q21387868|Carl Zelinka]]???
* [[wikidata:Q21516229|Josef Novák]]

''Other''
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007679031 The school of infancy] (1632 by Comenius, 1858 English edition, 75p.)
* [https://books.google.cz/books?id=O_VmAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA1 A reformation of schooles] (1642, English excerpt from Didactica Magna, transl. by Samuel Hartlib, 94p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001734797 The orbis pictus of John Amos Comenius] (1658 by Comenius, 1887 English edition, 234p.)
**[https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001066916 1777 edition]
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009708329 1810 edition]
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009353957 1887 edition with original images from 1658]
*The great didactic of John Amos Comenius: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007412251 1907 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101649243 1910 edition], [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100499182 1921 edition]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t49p2wj46&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=9 In Bohemia] (1905, by James Clarence Harvey; on bohemianism, not Bohemia!; illustr. by Mucha, 207p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001153917 Angel of Peace] (1667 by Comenius, 1944(!) English edition, 125p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006544097 Bohemian Glass] (1916, by Esther Lilian Duff, 81p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008988069 Bohemian made easy] (1890, by Karel Jonáš, 294p.)
** [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100128448 1900 edition]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000503659 Ériu]
** vol. 7 (1914), includes CúRói and CúChulinn by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613043852/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud_bib.htm rewritten online]
** vol. 8 (1916), includes &quot;On the antiquity of the kingship of Tara&quot; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110613113506/http://www.volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1916a.htm rewritten online] and &quot;Notes on the Preverbal Particles and Infixed Elements&quot; by Josef Baudiš 
** vol. 9 (1921–23) includes On Tochmarc Emere by Josef Baudiš; [https://web.archive.org/web/20110716080643/http://volny.cz/enelen/baud/baud1923a.htm rewritten online]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006522714 Complete method of pyramid building] (1919, by Joseph Paskovský, tr. by Dr. R(udiš) Jičinsky and Henry Šmídl, 111p)
**[https://archive.org/details/completemethodof00paskrich/page/n119 another copy in archive.org]
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000001728759&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=127&amp;skin=2021&amp;q1=ji%C4%8D%C3%ADnsk%C3%BD photo of Jičínský]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000523510 Proceedings of the Cambridge Philological Society] (vol. 118–120, 1921, includes &quot;Changes in Type in Indo-European&quot; by Josef Baudiš
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000499787 Philologica] (vol. 1, 1921, includes &quot;Remarks on the Welsh Verb&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtiquel] (includes &quot;On the Character of the Celtic Languages&quot; by Josef Baudiš, in vol. 39, 33—46 (1922); and 40, 104—126 (1923))
* [https://archive.org/details/educationinczech00bachuoft/page/n1 Education in Czechoslovakia] (1923, by Teresa Bach, 26p.)
** [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.a0013837059&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=161 another copy]
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080102737&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=369 The Louisiana Planter and Sugar Manufacturer, vol. 70] (1923, includes How Czecho-Slovakia Is Meeting Her Sugar Problems)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000586696&amp;local_base=NKC The Sokols: Spezial supplement of The Central European Observer dedicated to the VIII Sokol Festival to be held in Prague July 4-16th, 1926] (1926, Prague: Orbis, available in NK CR)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4029745&amp;view=1up&amp;seq=167&amp;q1=Czech Educational Yearbook 1924] (includes Czechoslovakia by Emmanuel Lippert, 48p)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001616953?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= The utilisation of water power in the Czechoslovak Republic] (1926, by Josef Wolf, 12p.)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009086486?type%5B%5D=all&amp;lookfor%5B%5D=%22the%20czechoslovak%20republic%22&amp;ft= Structure and development of the &quot;living matter&quot;] (1927, by F. Vejdovský, 359p.)
* [https://archive.org/details/semicentennialju00voja/page/20 The Semi-centennial jubilee of the Bohemian National Cemetery Association in Chicago, Illinois], (1927, by J. E. S. Vojan, 134p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=001226833&amp;local_base=NKC The minority principle as a problem of political science. 1. volume] (1928, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph Rouček 45p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000543543&amp;local_base=NKC The working of the minorities system under the League of Nations] (1929, Prague: Orbis, by Joseph S. Rouček, 122p, NK CR)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008881967 Revue Celtique] (vol. 49, 1932, includes &quot;Notes on Early Welsh Sandhi&quot; and &quot;On the Uses of the Subjunctive Mood in Welsh&quot; by Josef Baudiš)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002855598 Revue Celtique] (vol. 50, 1933, includes &quot;The particle E. W. yt, yd, y&quot; by Josef Baudiš and obituary of Josef Baudiš by Joseph Vendryes)
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001370252 Progressive Czech (Bohemian)] (1936, by Bohumil E. Mikula, Czech textbook, includes also short texts by A. Hrdlička and T. Čapek, 538p)
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=000399641&amp;local_base=NKC Education in Czechoslovakia] (1947, Prague: Orbis, by Jaroslav Paur, transl. by B. Goldreich, 48p)

''Dictionaries''
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358697;view=1up;seq=1 Library of the World's Best Literature: Biographical dictionary] (volume 29, containing some entries on Czech authors)
* [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433087358705;view=1up;seq=114 Library of the World's Best Literature: Guide to systematic readings] (volume 31, containing list of Czech authors from vol. 29)

''Periodicals''
* [https://aleph.nkp.cz/F/?func=direct&amp;doc_number=005757968&amp;local_base=SKC Central European Observer]
* [https://www.newspapers.com/image/573372448 Hitler threatens Czechoslovakia] (19 March 1938, St. Louis Globe-Democrat)

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paramount.

In 1857 the extraordinary and popularly unknown cases of ''Ableman'' v.
''Booth'', and ''United States'' v. ''Ableman'',&lt;ref&gt;How. 606.&lt;/ref&gt;
arose. We are wont to refer to the
Hartford Convention and the action of
South Carolina over the tariff law as
the prominent examples of the expression of the doctrine of the right of a
state to secede or to nullify the federal
law. In the state of Wisconsin an
effort had been made to inforce the
obnoxious fugitive slave law, and the
Supreme Court of the state promptly
declared the act of Congress unconstitutional, while the state resisted to
the utmost the inforcement of the statute. Booth had aided in the escape
of a fugitive slave from the United States
deputy marshal, who held him under
process issued by the United States
District Court. He was arrested for
this offense, tried, convicted, and sentenced in that court. Upon his application the Supreme Court of Wisconsin
discharged him upon ''habeas corpus''. A
writ of error was then issued by the
United States Supreme Court upon application of the Attorney-General, Jeremiah S. Black, to which the Supreme
Court of Wisconsin directed its clerk to
make no return, and to make no entry
upon its record concerning it. The Supreme Court of the United States then
ordered a copy of the proceedings, which
the Attorney-General had before procured, to be entered upon its docket
with the same legal effect as if the clerk
had made the proper return, and the
case thus stood upon the docket for argument. Judgment in favor of the
United States, reversing the judgment
of the Supreme Court of Wisconsin, was
pronounced March 7, 1859, upholding
the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal
over the state courts. Thereupon the
state legislature, in joint resolution
adopted March 9, 1859, solemnly declared that the judgment of the Supreme
Court of the United States was &quot;without
authority, void and of no force,&quot; and
&quot;that a positive defiance of all unauthorized acts done under color of
the Constitution is the rightful remedy.&quot;
Like his predecessor, in the case of The
''Cherokee Nation'' v. ''The State of Georgia'',&lt;ref&gt;31 5 Pet. 1.&lt;/ref&gt;
the Court was powerless to carry out its
mandate. Only the executive by use
of military power could inforce the judgment. Happily no state has since followed this unwise example, although
Wendell Phillips said: &quot;Some of us had
hoped that our beloved commonwealth
would have placed that crown of oak on
her own brow. Her youngest daughter
has earned it first.&quot; This decision has
been often cited in support of the paramountcy of federal jurisdiction over
state, where jurisdiction is conferred
by the federal Constitution.

March 4, 1861, Abraham Lincoln was
inaugurated, and for the seventh time the
Chief Justice administered the oath of
office to a President of the United States.
Not only were physical infirmities increasing, but the throes of civil war were
more and more felt. Washington was
becoming an armed camp, and even
Baltimore, his own home, shared in the
passions of the impending conflict.
May 25, 1861, John Merryman, a resident of Baltimore and a citizen of Maryland, was arrested by the military authorities and committed to the custody
of the commandant of Fort McHenry.
He petitioned for a writ of habeas corpus,
alleging that he was held in duress
&quot;without any process or color of law&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule|4em|align=left}}
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confession and on discovery.

Take, for example, homicide. The penitential canons recognized three classes of
homicide. First, the voluntary, or as we
should say, homicide with malice afore
thought. Second, the involuntary, or accidental, but where guilt could be imputed
to the defendant through negligence, or
because the killing followed as the consequence of some unlawful act. Third, where
the killing was inevitable, as in necessary
self-defense or the defense of another.

These penitential canons were very ancient but they were commented upon by
Bernard of Pavia, the most celebrated
canonist of the twelfth century, and from
Bernard Bracton took this definition of the
felonious mind. &quot;But that is homicide,
if it be done from malignity or the delight
of shedding human blood, although he be
justly slain, nevertheless he sins mortally
on account of his corrupt intention.&quot;
Bracton, De Corona, C. 4 §2.

Thus Church and State agreed as to what
constituted crime. They differed as to the
procedure by which crime should be proved.
They agreed that an act can never intrinsically constitute either a crime, a tort, or a
contract. An act can only be evidence
from which a criminal, a tortious, or a contracting mind can be inferred. So much
being admitted, it follows that the value
of the law as a weapon by which victory
may be won in the struggle for supremacy,
hinges largely on the methods employed
first, to obtain evidence, and secondly, to
admit or exclude evidence after it is obtained. Each dominant class, during its
ascendancy, uses such methods as conduce
to its success.

Consider the attitude of Church and State
toward crime. In last analysis the power
of a priesthood rests on popular faith in the
cogency of their curse, and in the efficacy
of their intercession. Hence incredulity
is the greatest danger to a hierarcy, and
therefore heresy is to it the blackest crime.
But incredulity is an intellectual condition
which may yield no outward trace, and
accordingly it followed that, during the
period of crisis as the Reformation ap
proached, evidence to prove incredulity had
to be extorted by inquisition under coercion.
The effect of these conditions was that the
Church, when strong, began its system of
inquiry with the confessional, and ended
with the Holy Office.

Ecclesiastical punishments followed the
same -sequence of cause and effect. Murder,
while condemned by the Church, did not
menace its existence. Therefore a priest
who committed murder was only imprisoned,
according to the canon law; but a priest who
became a heretic struck at the vitals of
sacerdotal power. The heretic was de
livered to the secular arm to be burned
alive. He who was suspected of heresy
might be examined under torture.

The State, on the other hand, resting on
physical force and not on faith, has always
been relatively indifferent to incredulity,
but sensitive to attacks on order. As I
have said, the Church viewed murder and
felony somewhat leniently. A clerk, during
the middle ages, convicted of a crime for
which a layman would have been hanged
was returned to the ordinary to be imprisoned. These diocesan prisons were always
a grievance to the laity who vehemently dis
trusted the good faith of the bishops in the
punishment of clerical delinquents.

Conversely, where the State felt alarm,
a thought became a capital offense, precisely
as a thought became a capital offense under
ecclesiastical law where the Church apprehended peril. For centuries the common law punished the mere &quot;imagining&quot;
the King's death by hanging with torture,
and the King, where he found it convenient
to do so, investigated the function of&quot; imagination &quot; by methods as coercive as those
employed by the Church to discover heresy.

Even in our own day, although the State
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judges of the state tribunals, their supremacy
in all the judicatures of the country was
secured.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Constitutional History of the U. S. by George Ticknor Curtis, 2nd ed., p. 554. Cited in C. H. Butler's Treaty-Making Power of the United States, § 264.&lt;/ref&gt;

Judge Story says of the same Article :

&quot;It is notorious that treaty stipulations
(especially those of the treaty of peace of
1783) were grossly disregarded by the
States under the confederation. They were
deemed by the States not as laws, but like
requisitions of mere moral obligation, and
dependent upon the good-will of the States
for their execution. Congress, indeed, remonstrated against this construction, as unfounded in principle and justice. But their
voice was not heard. Power and right were
separated; the argument was all on one
side, but the power was on the other. It
was probably to obviate this very difficulty
that this clause was inserted in the Constitution.&lt;ref&gt;Story's Commentaries on the Constitution, 5th ed. § 1838.&lt;/ref&gt; The propriety of this clause
would seem to result from the very nature
of the Constitution. If it was to establish
a national government, that government
ought, to the extent of its powers and
rights, to be supreme. . . . It is to be considered that treaties constitute solemn compacts of binding obligation among nations;
and unless they are scrupulously obeyed
and enforced, no foreign nation would consent to negotiate with us; or if it did, any
want of strict fidelity on our part in the
discharge of the treaty stipulations would be
visited by reprisals or war. It is, there
fore, indispensable that they should have
the obligation and force of a law, that they
may be executed by the judicial power, and
be obeyed like other laws.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;id. §§ 1837, 1838.{{pbri}}See also C H. Butler's Treaty-Making Power of the United States, § 271&lt;/ref&gt;

It is a benefit to the alien resident in the United States that whenever he may believe that his rights under a treaty are infringed by the act of a single state he may secure a judicial interpretation of the treaty by a competent tribunal. The fact that such an inquiry may be made by a court whichis independent of the political department of the government, and free to consider the question of infringement on its merits, is a means of protection to the foreigner. If his contention is sustained, the court, in pursuance of a constitutional provision, will pronounce null and void, and therefore inoperative, any local ordinance or state law which it finds to be in violation of the treaty. Because this means of redress is open to the alien, the United States is justified in requiring that an alleged violation of a treaty by the act of a state should be made the subject of judicial inquiry in an American court before being asserted as a ground for diplomatic intervention. Such has been our constant practice.&lt;ref&gt;See the reply of Mr. Jay, when Secretary of Foreign Affairs, to the complaint of Sir John Temple, Dec. 11, 1787, that an action of trespass had been instituted against a British subject in violation of the treaty of peace of 1783. 3 MS. Am. Let. 306, Moore's Dig. of Int. Law, § 760. {{pbri}}Mr. Bayard, Sec. of State, to Baron Fava, Italian Min, Dec. 18. 1888, MS. Notes to Italy VIII, 315 — Moore's Dig Int. Law § 760.&lt;/ref&gt;

In a note to the Chinese Minister, May 27, 1890, the Secretary of State, Mr. Blaine, in reply to a protest from the Chinese government against an ordinance of San Francisco, requiring Chinese subjects there residing to remove from their existing homes and places of business to a particular part of that city, as a violation of Article III, of the treaty of 1880 said:

&quot;Meanwhile, may I ask your attention to the sixth article of the Constitution of the United States, which places treaties on the same juridical basis as laws and makes them the supreme law of the land, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. By the second section of the third article the judicial power of the United States is made to extend to all cases arising under the treaties. Under these provisions, and the statutes of the United States passed to give them effect, it is believed that the Chinese who are said to have been arrested under the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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is most deficient, necessitating a painstaking
reading of the body of the record in order to
get even clues to what he did.

Commencing less than three weeks from
the day he first took his seat in Congress,
May 15, 1775, the journal discloses that he
was elected by ballot with Rutledge, Jay,
Lee, and Johnson, a member of the commit
tee of five, to consider and report upon an
important communication from the Colony
of Massachusetts Bay (June 3). He soon be
came a member of other committees: of
three, to draft a communication on behalf
of Congress to the inhabitants of Jamaica
explaining the situation (June 3); of five,
with Philip Schuyler and Patrick Henry,
concerning papers on Indian affairs, trans
mitted by the New York Convention, and to
report steps to be taken for securing and pre
serving the friendship of the Indian Nations
(June 16); of five, with John Adams and
Rutledge, on printing bills of credit, having
plate made and contracting with the en
gravers (June 23). Within two months he
was also unanimously elected with Benjamin
Franklin and Patrick Henry, one of three
commissioners to prepare articles to pacify
the Indians (July 13).

Then in quick succession he became a
member of the following committees, inter
alia: of one, concerning tent supplies, etc.,
for the army (July 19); of two, with Thomas
McKean, to prepare bonds for the Continental
treasurers to execute (July 28); of five, to
inquire into the state of the Colony of Virginia and to report provisions necessary for
its defense (Nov. 10); of three, with Richard
Henry Lee and Livingston, to draft a declar
ation in answer to sundry illegal ministerial
proclamations concerning America (Nov. 13);
of seven, with Rutledge, John Adams, Liv
ingston, and Franklin, to consider letter
from Washington regarding disposal of such
vessels and cargoes &quot;belonging to the enemy,
as shall fall into the hands of or be taken by
the inhabitants of the United Colonies&quot;
(Nov. 17); on plans for trade with the Indians (Nov. 23); of three, with Livingston and
Jay, Wilson, chairman, on thanks of Congress to the three generals in the Northern
Department for their services (Nov. 30); of
three, with Jay and Livingston, on letter
from Lord Stirling (Dec. 8).

During a part of this time he was away on
business of the Colonies and a number of
communications from him were received and
acted upon by Congress.

In 1776 his labors and influence increased.
During that year he served, among other
committees, upon the following, the member
ship of each being usually three or five,
though sometimes but two: to take into consideration the state of the Colonies (Jan. 10);
to prepare instructions for the officers in the
recruiting service, of which Wilson was chair
man (Jan. 11); on letter from Washington
(Jan. 15); to draft a letter to the Canadians
(Jan. 23); to prepare an address to the inhabitants of the United Colonies (Jan. 24); on
sundry Indian affairs (Jan. 27); to contract
for supplies for prisoners (Feb. 6); concern
ing support of prisoners (Feb. 6); to examine
the capitulations entered into with prisoners
and to see that they be observed, to have
officers' paroles taken and the orders of Congress punctually executed regarding prisoners (Feb. 7); to contract for rations for troops
(Feb. 8); to consider into what departments
the Middle and Southern Colonies ought to
be formed &quot;in order that the military operations of the Colonies may be carried on in a
regular and systematic manner&quot; (Feb. 13);
to report the best method of subsisting the
troops in New York and the money necessary
to send thither (Feb, 13).

On Feb. 13 the committee on the address to
the Colonies, appointed Jan 24 presented its
report. This report was written by James 
Wilson,&lt;r1&gt; and although apparently unnoted.
by American historians is one of the most 
illuminating documents of the are Declaration period. James
Madison {{illegible}}

*1 See same in Wilson's handwriting, &quot;Papers of of the Continental Congress,&quot; Vol.24 folios 217, 232.,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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'Give every man thine ear but few thy voice, 
Take each man's censure but reserve thy judgment.' 

Advance by cautious steps in the acquisition of knowledge, lest 
you should stray into the wrong path and hopelessly lose your 
way ; and, as a last word of counsel, let me repeat to you a saying 
of the present Lord Derby, that education to be worth having 
must aim at accuracy of thought, and accuracy of expression. 
Without accuracy of thought, your knowledge is dangerous to 
yourselves and to others, without accuracy of expression, however 
profitable your knowledge may be to yourselves, you may but 
confuse the judgment of others by endeavouring to impart your 
Make your knowledge to them. If a man sets out in the morning to walk from the East to the West, his shadow is projected before him but constantly grows less till at midday it disappears, and thereafter, till the sunset, his shadow 
again lengthens, but it lengthens behind him. So is it with us, as 
we and the works we do which are part of our substance, take our 
ways through life. In our youths there is projected the shadow 
of the hopes we are destined never to realise; they are the shadows 
of ourselves, they will be noble if we are unselfish and true. In 
our middle age, this shadow has departed with the fervid generosity of youth, but as yet no other has appeared; we have given 
up too sanguine hope, but are still conscious of capacity for 
action. But thereafter, as we plod on with steps growing 
more and more feeble, that other shadow lengthens out behind 
us, the memory of the opportunities we have lost or failed to 
make the most of, the memory of what we might have done, or 
have done better, and this too will be the shadow of ourselves. 
It may be an ignoble shadow of anger at what we choose to 
term our want of luck, or it nray be an ennobling shadow^ of 
consciousness of, and contrition for, our failings. Your shadows 
are before you, to make them what you please, aim at high and 
unselfish ends; though you may not achieve them, the effort has 
become apart of your very selves ; and when the shadows lengthen 
behind you, though they be, as all men's must, shadows that tell 
of failure, you will be able to lay this comfort to your hearts : — 

'I take to witness 
That I loved no darkness 
Sophisticated no wisdom 
Nursed no delusion, 
Allowed no fear, 
And therefore, I know . • • 
It hath been granted me 
Not to die wholly, not to be all enslaved 
I feel it at this hour— the numbing cloud 
Mounts off my soul.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Advance by cautious steps in the acquisition of knowledge, lest 
you should stray into the wrong path and hopelessly lose your 
way ; and, as a last word of counsel, let me repeat to you a saying 
of the present Lord Derby, that education to be worth having 
must aim at accuracy of thought, and accuracy of expression. 
Without accuracy of thought, your knowledge is dangerous to 
yourselves and to others, without accuracy of expression, however 
profitable your knowledge may be to yourselves, you may but 
confuse the judgment of others by endeavouring to impart your 
Make your knowledge to them. If a man sets out in the morning to walk from the East to the West, his shadow is projected before him but constantly grows less till at midday it disappears, and thereafter, till the sunset, his shadow 
again lengthens, but it lengthens behind him. So is it with us, as 
we and the works we do which are part of our substance, take our 
ways through life. In our youths there is projected the shadow 
of the hopes we are destined never to realise; they are the shadows 
of ourselves, they will be noble if we are unselfish and true. In 
our middle age, this shadow has departed with the fervid generosity of youth, but as yet no other has appeared; we have given 
up too sanguine hope, but are still conscious of capacity for 
action. But thereafter, as we plod on with steps growing 
more and more feeble, that other shadow lengthens out behind 
us, the memory of the opportunities we have lost or failed to 
make the most of, the memory of what we might have done, or 
have done better, and this too will be the shadow of ourselves. 
It may be an ignoble shadow of anger at what we choose to 
term our want of luck, or it nray be an ennobling shadow^ of 
consciousness of, and contrition for, our failings. Your shadows 
are before you, to make them what you please, aim at high and 
unselfish ends; though you may not achieve them, the effort has 
become apart of your very selves ; and when the shadows lengthen 
behind you, though they be, as all men's must, shadows that tell 
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'I take to witness 
That I loved no darkness 
Sophisticated no wisdom 
Nursed no delusion, 
Allowed no fear, 
And therefore, I know . . .
It hath been granted me 
Not to die wholly, not to be all enslaved 
I feel it at this hour— the numbing cloud 
Mounts off my soul.&quot;
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==Works==
* &quot;[[The Pioneers (McArthur)|The Pioneers]]&quot; (1919)
* ''Stephen Leacock'' (1923) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/stephenleacock00leacuoft}}


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* &quot;[[The Pioneers (McArthur)|The Pioneers]]&quot; (1919)
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* &quot;[[The Pioneers (McArthur)|The Pioneers]]&quot; (1919)
* ''Stephen Leacock'' (1923) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/stephenleacock00leacuoft}}

==Works about McArthur==
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* ''His Lady of the Sonnets'' (1915)
* ''The Witch of Endor: A Tragedy'' (1916)
* ''The Piper and the Reed'' (1917)
* ''The Modernists'' (1918)
* ''The Man of Kerioth: A Tragedy'' (1919)
* ''Bill Boram'' (1921) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/billboram00norwuoft}}

==Works about Norwood==
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* ''His Lady of the Sonnets'' (1915) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/hisladyofsonnets00norw_1}}
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* ''The Piper and the Reed'' (1917)
* ''The Modernists'' (1918)
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{{fine block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;he ought, &amp;c. Know thou that there is a certain writing come unto our understanding and knowledge, which was set up, as it were, by thine own person upon the gates of the churches and city of Constance, upon the Sunday, when there was sung in the church of God, '{{lang|la|Quasi modo geniti}};' wherein thou dost affirm, that thou wilt openly answer unto thy accusers and slanderers who shall object any crime, error or heresy against thee, whereof thou art marvellously infamed and accused before us; and specially touching the doctrine of [[Author:John Wycliffe|Wickliff]], and other doctrines contrary to the catholic faith: so that thou mightest have granted unto thee a safe conduct to come. But, forasmuch as it is our part principally and chiefly to foresee and look unto these crafty foxes who go about to destroy the vineyard of the Lord of hosts, therefore we do cite and call forth by the tenor of these presents, thy person manifoldly defamed and suspected for the temerarious affirming and teaching of manifold errors; so that within the term of fifteen days to be accounted from the date of these presents, whereof five days are appointed for the first term, five for the second, and other five for the third, we do ordain and appoint, by canonical admonition and warning, that thou do appear in the public sessions of the sacred council, if there be any holden, in the same day, or else the first day immediately following, when any session shall be, according to the tenor of thy said writing, to answer to those things which any person or persons shall object or lay against thee in any cause of thy faith, and to receive and have, as justice shall require. Whereupon, so much as in us lieth, and as catholic faith shall require, we offer and assign to thee, by the tenor hereof, our safe conduct from all violence (justice always being saved); certifying thee, that whether thou dost appear or not, the said term or time appointed notwithstanding, process shall go forward against thee by the said sacred council, or by their commissary or commissaries, for the time 
aforesaid not observed and kept; thy contumacy or stubbornness in any thing notwithstanding.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Token Money.}}''' See {{NIE article link|Money}}.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Tokio}},''' tō'''′'''kē̇, or '''{{uc|Tokyo}}''' (formerly {{sc|Yedo}}) (Jap., Eastern Capital). The capital of Japan, situated on the southeast side of the island of Hondo, on the Bay of Tokio, in latitude 35° 41′ N., longitude 139° 46′ E. (Map: {{NIE article link|Japan|nosc=yes}}, F 6). The city covers a wide area, and is exceedingly irregular in outline, being, indeed, a number of towns grown together rather than a single city laid out according to design. It is divided into two unequal parts by the river Sumida. The eastern portions along the river and fronting the bay are level and low, the western rise into considerable hills with a dense population in the valleys which separate them. The chief feature is the palace inclosure within the grounds of the ancient castle. These grounds under the old régime were very extensive and were surrounded by an outer wall and moat more than two and a half miles in length. This wall has been leveled in part and the moat filled up. Within was a second moat and wall, and even a third in parts. The old residence of the Shogun within the third wall was burned in 1872 and has been replaced by the palace of the Emperor, in a mixed Japanese-European style of architecture. It stands in the ancient and beautiful park called Fukiage. The palace was first occupied by the Emperor in 1889. Much of the area inclosed by the outer wall and moat was occupied in the past by the mansions of the feudal barons, but these are now destroyed and in their place are the various buildings devoted to the use of the Government, in European style and devoid of especial interest. To the east of the castle is the distinctively commercial portion of the city, with banks, warehouses, shops, hotels, restaurants, newspaper offices, and dwellings. A long main street, variously named in different parts, and without any general designation, passes through this part of the city from northeast to southwest. It is broad, with rows of trees, a tramway, electric lights, and rows of low buildings of stone and brick in a semi-European style. From it lanes and streets diverge in all directions, for the greater part lined with small wooden buildings, inexpensive and without pretension. Mingled with them are storehouses made of mud or clay, and incongruous modern buildings. Of late years some of the streets have been straightened and widened, wooden bridges have been replaced by iron ones, and many improvements have been introduced. Nevertheless the old styles of shops and dwellings are in so vast a majority that this part of Tokio is still essentially as in the centuries past.

In the northern part of the city is the arsenal, with the beautiful garden attached which formerly belonged to the mansion of the Barons of Mito. Not far away is the ancient building used as a library which was once the great Confucian College. Farther to the north on the site of the town mansion of the Baron of Kaga is the Imperial University. (See {{NIE article link|Tokio, University of}}.) Farther to the east is the great park, Ueno, with the mortuary shrines of eight of the shoguns of the Tokugawa family, and the Imperial Museum filled with objects of great interest. Still farther to the east is the great temple of the goddess of mercy, Kwannon Sama, with a park, many shrines, a pagoda, rows of shops, and innumerable places of amusement. Across the river Sumida, the eastern portion of the city embraces the two districts called Honjo and Fukiage, a quiet region known to visitors chiefly for its displays of flowers, the cherry blossoms at Mukojima, the wistaria at Kameido, and the iris at Horikiri, and for the great wrestling matches at the temple E-ko-in. On the west bank of the Sumida was the Foreign Concession, but since the abolition of extraterritoriality foreigners are permitted to live in all parts of the city. In the same district, on the shore of the bay, is the Imperial park known as Enryo-kwan. In the southern part of the city is the park called Shiba, with the magnificent mortuary shrine of the second Shogun, and the almost equally fine shrines of six others. Beyond the park, still following the line of the bay, is the Temple of Sankakuji, famous for the little cemetery containing the tombs of the forty-seven Ronins. To the west of the palace are many large residences surrounded by gardens and high walls. In the suburbs there are many delightful resorts, especially Meguro, Oji, Futago, and Ikegami. The city is protected against fire by a well-organized fire department equipped with steam fire engines. It has also an excellent police system. The affairs of the city are administered by a mayor, a municipal council, and a municipal assembly. Tokio proper has few industrial interests, although there are numerous factories in the neighborhood. It is unfavorably situated for commerce, as the Sumida River is unnavigable for vessels of large tonnage. Trade is carried on by way of Yokohama. Population, in 1898, 1,440,121.

Originally an obscure hamlet called Yedo (gate of the inlet) stood on the seashore in the district of the city now called Asakusa, while most of the busiest parts of the present city were covered with the waters of the bay and of lagoons. Near Yedo a rude castle was built in the fifteenth century, but the place continued without importance until, toward the end of the sixteenth century, Tokugawa Ieyasu took possession of it, and in 1603 made it the seat of his government of the Empire. He retained the ancient name Yedo, but made it speedily the most important city in Japan and the capital in a sense never known before. Ieyasu commanded artisans and merchants to move to his new city from Kioto and Osaka. He occupied the ancient castle, and in the days of his grandson the new castle was constructed. But the most characteristic and original feature of Yedo was caused by the requirement that the feudal barons should spend a portion of every second year in the city and that in their absence members of their families be left as hostages. In consequence the feudal barons built town mansions, surrounded them with beautiful gardens, and for the first time in the history of Japan came, in time of peace, into contact with each other. The result was rivalry in display and a luxury and extravagance before known only in Kioto in connection with the Imperial Court. From this time Yedo took on the&lt;section end=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Tokio}},''' {{sc|University of}}. A Japanese university founded in 1868 by the union of two older schools, as one of the results of the great political and social revolution of that year. It has grown with the growth of modern Japan. At first officered largely by foreigners, these have been gradually superseded by Japanese, for the most part trained in Europe and the United States. The university is a Government institution. Its administration is vested in a president and a board of councilors, two from each college, named by the Minister of Education, for a term of five years. The colleges comprise law, medicine, engineering, philosophy, history, mathematics, and science. Two degrees are given, one for work in course, the other for special distinction. The university includes an observatory and a library. There were 2908 students in 1900–01.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Tökölyi}},''' tẽ'''′'''kẽl-yĭ, or '''{{uc|Tököli}},''' {{sc|Imre}} (Emerich), Count (1656–1705). An Hungarian patriot. He belonged to a Lutheran family and was born at the Castle of Késmárk, in the County of Zips. His father, Count Stephen, was implicated in the conspiracy of Zrinyi, Rákóczy, and Frangipani against Leopold I. of Austria; and after his death, and the execution of Zrinyi and others, young Tökölyi sought an asylum in Poland, where he had large possessions. After vain endeavors to recover from the Emperor his patrimonial estates, he obtained the support of Apafi, Prince of Transylvania, and in 1678 he took the lead in the insurrection in Hungary. He advanced victoriously, capturing a number of towns, and even penetrating into the heart of Moravia. The Turkish Sultan, Mohammed IV., espoused his cause, and in 1682 declared him Prince of Hungary under Turkish suzerainty. Tökölyi joined Kara Mustapha in the great onslaught on Austria in 1683, but after the disaster to the Turks at Vienna many of his followers fell off from him, and in 1685 he was imprisoned by the Turks. He was soon released, however, and resumed operations, but without success. In 1689 he was made Prince of Transylvania by the Sultan, and invaded that country with a Turkish army, but was forced back into Wallachia. He took part in the subsequent campaigns against Austria, and after the Peace of Karlowitz he was made by the Sultan Prince of Widdin and resided as his pensioner at Constantinople, where he died.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Tokugawa}},''' tō′ko̅o̅-gä'''′'''wȧ. The name of the great family which ruled Japan for more than two centuries and a half (1600–1868). Its founder was Ieyasu, one of the five generals from the east of Japan who restored peace after centuries of feudal strife and anarchy. He claimed descent from an early Emperor through the Minamoto family, and took their hereditary title ‘shogun’ (general). He made Yedo, then an obscure village, the capital of Japan, reformed the laws, and established the system which was characteristic of Japan and made it unique in the eyes of foreigners. Ieyasu retired in 1604 to Shidzuoka, but continued to rule through his son until his death in 1616. His descendants were shoguns to the number of fourteen. The greatest of them was Iemitsu, his grandson, who ruled from 1623 to 1649. Most of the Tokugawa shoguns were weaklings and debauchees. The fifteenth shogun resigned his powers to the Emperor in 1868 and retired to Shidzuoka. Since that time the family has exerted no political power.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s5&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Tokushima}}''', tō'''′'''ko̅o̅-shē'''′'''mȧ. The capital of the Prefecture of Tokushima, in Japan, near the coast in the northeastern part of the island of Shikoku (Map: {{NIE article link|Japan|nosc=yes}}, D 6). It is the largest city on the island, and is beautifully situated. Population, in 1898, 61,501.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;[[Author:John Toland|'''{{uc|To′land}},''' {{sc|John}}]] (1670–1722). A deistical writer. He was born near the village of Redcastle, in the County of Londonderry, Ireland. He was brought up as a Roman Catholic, but in his sixteenth year was a Protestant. He entered the University of Glasgow in 1687, but removed to that of Edinburgh, where he took the degree of master of arts in 1690. Thence he passed to Leyden, where he entered upon theological studies. On his return to England he resided for some time at Oxford, where he was already looked upon as a free-thinker. ''Christianity Not Mysterious'', which he published in London in 1696, and in which he fully avowed his principles, created a sensation in the theological world. In the following year Toland returned to Ireland, but his book was burned publicly by order of the Irish Parliament. Finding it necessary to flee from Ireland, Toland returned to London, where he published a defense against this judgment of the Irish Parliament; but he soon afterwards turned his pen from theological to political and literary subjects. A pamphlet entitled ''Anglia Libera'' (1701), on the succession of the House of Brunswick, led to his being received with favor by the Princess Sophia at the Court of Hanover, and to his being sent on a kind of political mission to some of the German courts. In 1705 he outstripped the boldness of his former opinions, openly avowing himself a pantheist. In this course he was emboldened by the patronage of Harley, in whose service he had engaged as a political pamphleteer, and by whom he was sent abroad to Holland and Germany in 1707. He returned to England in 1710; and having forfeited the favor of his patron, or at least&lt;section end=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="7557" sha1="cthtx8ozeqpmzwe6qo5hr73e91vqhme" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;TE(æ)A,ea.&quot; /&gt;{{rh|SHIN-SHU.|89|SHIP.}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{hwe|monies|ceremonies}} are without efficacy, though the believer as an expression of gratitude lives an upright life and constantly repeats “Glory to Amida the Buddha.” The priest is simply the official of the sect and its teacher, all essential distinction from the layman being done away. The priests marry, eat meat, and practice no austerity. The sect is first in popularity with the masses. Its temples are the most magnificent and the most frequented. At present it is the most progressive sect in the Empire, adopting the methods of Christian missions and sending some of its priests as students to Europe and America. In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries it took part in the feudal wars, armed its priests, and turned its monasteries into fortresses. For more than a century it ruled the great Province of Kaga. Shin-Shu is Buddhist only in name, retaining nothing of the teaching of Gautama and according him no honor. Consult: [[Author:Bunyiu Nanjio|Nanjio]], ''Short History of the Twelve Japanese Buddhist Sects'' (London, 1887); [[Author:William Elliot Griffis|Griffis]], ''The Religions of Japan'' (New York, 1895).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Shintō}},''' or '''{{uc|Shintoism}}''' (Sinico-Jap. ''[[wikt:神道#Japanese|shintō]]'', Jap. ''Kami-no-michi'', the way of the ''Kami'' (in Chinese ''shin'') or gods). The ancient religion and mythology of the Japanese. The history of the religion falls into three periods: the first terminating in the sixth century {{asc|A.D.}}, the second in the eighteenth century {{asc|A.D.}}, and the third continuing until the present time. In the first period the religion had no name and was perhaps undifferentiated from other rites. It had neither dogmas, moral precepts, nor sacred writings. The objects worshiped were called ''kami'', ‘superior.’ A late authority declares that the superior representatives of every class are ''kami'', as trees, stones, mountains, birds, animals, men and spirits, and denies that the ''kami'' are spirits within the natural objects. In the ancient traditions mention is made of gods of the earth, and of heaven, which was simply a plane a little above the earth. Some gods were good and some were bad, some were mortal, and some were wedded to women. From one of the latter class of gods is descended the emperor. There were deities also of the cauldron, and kettle, and saucepan, gods of the kitchen, and of the gate, as well as gods of pestilence, storms and heavenly bodies. In fact, there was no distinctive class of gods, but everything was worshiped which excited fear or admiration. Nothing was related of heaven or hell as places of awards, but there were confused and contradictory accounts of hades as the place of departed beings. The rites were purifications by water from crimes and defilement: the offerings were anything of value, swords, armor, spears, and especially cloth, which has become the peculiarly cut strips of paper called ''go-hei'' which hang before the shrines. The prayers were thanksgivings and lists of offerings. The shrines were simply huts and the shrine-keepers sometimes called ‘priests,’ had neither sacerdotal nor teaching functions. There were no images in the shrines nor ornamentation of any kind, but in a few of them, a mirror and a ‘pillow’ for the god.

The second period begins with the sixth century, when Buddhism and Chinese civilization were introduced. Shin-to soon yielded to its rival, the native gods being regarded as incarnations of Buddha. (See {{NIE article link|Kōbō Daishi}}.) Buddhist priests became the custodians of the shrines, and introduced their own ornaments, images and ritual. The two religions were united under the name ''Riobu-Shintō,'' the “Shinto of two kinds,” a mongrel system in which Buddhism was the active partner. The mythology was written down with the ancient prayers. Only in the palace of the emperors, who were themselves Buddhists, and at a few of the great shrines were attempts made to preserve something of the ancient usage. The distinctively Shin-to ‘priests’ became fortune tellers and magicians.

In the eighteenth century a succession of great scholars ({{NIE article link|Mabuchi|nosc=yes}}, 1697–1769, {{NIE article link|Motoori|Motoori Norinaya|nosc=yes}}, 1730–1801, and Hirata, 1776–1843), animated by a love for antiquity and a hatred of all things foreign, attacked Buddhism and Confucianism and sought the reëstablishment of ‘Pure Shinto.’ They taught that its essence was obedience to nature and to the emperor. They produced marked effects in literature and in politics, but Shinto was too shadowy and ill-defined to gain religious hold of the people. The sentiment aroused was utilized by the revolutionists of 1865–1868, when the western clans overthrew the government of the Shogun and restored the emperor to the head of the government. At the restoration Buddhism was disestablished and Shinto put in its place. But Shinto could not maintain itself, and became a code of ceremonies for court and officials. At present it represents the intense patriotism of the people, and furnishes the rites for religious ceremonial at the court, all officials being obliged to observe its forms.

The origin of Shinto is unknown. Its legends are evidently from diverse sources, and Chinese influence in the formation of some of them can be detected. It is a confused mixture of nature and ancestor-worship. Its mythology also confuses history with the stories of the gods, putting both into a continuous narrative. It contributed nothing to the civilization of the Japanese, though the scholars mentioned above established in modern times the standard of pure Japanese literature, as distinguished from the Sinico-Japanese. Its legends form the best source for the reconstruction of the primitive life of the people. It expresses the Japanese nature, in its patriotic reverence for the Imperial house, and in its admiration for all things extraordinary.

Consult: [[:fr:Auteur:Léon de Rosny|Rosny]], ''La religion des Japonais'' (Paris, 1881); [[Author:Basil Hall Chamberlain|Chamberlain]], ''[[Kojiki (Chamberlain)|Translation of the Kojiki]]'' (Yokohama, 1883); id., ''[[Things Japanese]]'' (4th ed., New York, 1902); [[Author:George Augustus Cobbold|Cobbold]], ''Religion in Japan: Buddhism, Shintoism, Christianity'' (London, 1894); [[Author:William Elliot Griffis|Griffis]], ''The Religions of Japan from the Dawn of History to the Era of Meiji'' (New York, 1895); [[Author:Karl Adolf Florenz|Florenz]], ''{{SIC|Japanesische|Japanische}} Mythologie'' (Tokio, 1901). See also the section on {{sc|Religion}} under {{NIE article link|Japan}}.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''{{uc|Ship}}''' (AS. ''[[wikt:scip#Old English|scip]]'', ''[[wikt:scyp#Old English|scyp]]'', Goth. ''[[wikt:𐍃𐌺𐌹𐍀#Gothic|skip]]'', OHG. ''[[wikt:skif#Old High German|scif]]'', ''scef'', Ger. ''[[wikt:Schiff#German|Schiff]]'', ship; of unknown etymology). In strictly nautical nomenclature the term ''ship'' is applied to a large vessel with three or more masts, of which at least three are square-rigged. The term is very generally applied to vessels of all kinds which are larger than boats.

Before the application of steam to marine propulsion the largest sailing ships rarely exceeded 200 feet in length and the proportion of length to beam was usually not far from 4 to 1. The bows were bluff and the stern hardly less so,&lt;section end=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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was based on the family, but it gave no such
preference to kinship in the male line, except
as regarded succession to real property. As regarded such property, however, a preference not
only of the male line over the female, but of
male heirs over female, is visible in the earliest
written laws; and this preference was emphasized and made general in medieval Europe by
the development of the feudal system. In German law there appeared also a distinction between sword-goods and spindle-goods, i.e. between
things used by men and things used by women,
and a tendency to prefer male heirs as regarded
sword-goods and female as regarded spindle-goods. Another German idea was that, when
the nearest heirs were of the half blood, property
that had come to the decedent from the father’s
side should go to the paternal relatives, while
property that had come from the mother’s side
should go to the maternal relatives (‘paterna
paternis, materna maternis;’ in Spanish law,
‘troncalidad’). Sporadically manifested, moreover, was a disinclination to allow property to
ascend, with resultant rules preferring brothers
and sisters and their descendants to parents.

As between collaterals rights of succession at
German law did not depend wholly on nearness
of kinship. Descendants of a nearer common
ancestor were regularly preferred to descendants
of a more remote common ancestor. Inheritance
vested (1) in descendants of the decedent; (2)
in descendants of his parents; (3) in descendants
of his grandparents; (4) in descendants of his
great-grandparents, and so on. Within each
such group the nearest of kin took the inheritance. This is described by modern writers as
the ‘lineal-gradual’ or ‘parentela’ system. Coupled
with a preference of the male line and of males
within that line it became the (original) feudal
law of succession, and (with preference of the
eldest male added) it determined the English
law of inheritance of real property.

{{sc|III. Modern Civil Codes}}. In modern European legislation the Roman principle of universal succession has generally reasserted itself:
the same rules generally govern inheritance of
realty and of personalty. In all the codes the
inheritance vests primarily in descendants. Failing these different rules prevail. At French law
the inheritance passes, in second instances, to
parents, brothers, and sisters and the children of
brothers and sisters, all of whom take precedence
of grandparents. The Spanish code prefers all
ascendants, and the German code prefers parents,
to brothers and sisters. In the absence of descendants, ascendants, and of brothers and sisters
and their descendants, the French, Italian, and
Spanish codes confer the inheritance upon the
nearest collateral; but the French code provides
that if there be collaterals both on the paternal
and the maternal side the inheritance shall be
divided. The Austrian and the German codes
follow the parentela system.

The surviving spouse is better treated than
at Roman law. Under the Code Napoléon, indeed, the surviving spouse had no right except
by ante-nuptial contract or, in the absence of
such contract, by operation of the general law
of matrimonial property; but by the law of
March 9, 1891, he or she has a life interest in
a portion of the property, which is at most one-fourth if there are children, but rises to one-half if there are no children. There are similar
provisions in the Italian and Spanish codes; but
at Spanish law if the decedent has neither descendants, ascendants, nor brothers or sisters or
nephews, the surviving spouse takes the whole
estate absolutely; and at Italian law, if there are
no legitimate children, the surviving spouse takes
from one-fourth to one-third absolutely as against
parents and illegitimate children, two-thirds as
against collaterals, and the whole estate if there
is no collateral within the sixth degree (e.g. a
second cousin). The German law is even more
liberal: the surviving spouse takes one-fourth
absolutely as against children; one-half to three-fourths as against parents, brothers and sisters,
and grandparents; and the whole as against the
decedent’s other relatives.

As to illegitimate children different rules prevail. The French, Italian, and Spanish codes
give no rights of inheritance to such children
unless they have been ‘recognized.’ Such a recognized child inherits in concurrence with legitimate children, taking, however, only half the
share of a legitimate child. When there are no
legitimate children the rights of recognized illegitimate children are greater. By the French
law of March 25, 1816, they take the whole
estate as against all collaterals, except brothers
and sisters and their children. In the German
code the illegitimate child, although ‘recognized,’
has no right of succession in the estate of his
father or in those of his father’s relatives; but
in the mother’s estate and in those of her relatives such a child has the same rights as if born
in wedlock. For a treatment of subjects in English and American law,
see {{NIE article link|Descent}}; {{NIE article link|Distribution}}; {{NIE article link|Heir}}; and {{NIE article link|Inheritance}}.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succession Wars&quot; /&gt;'''SUCCESSION WARS.''' The name given to
wars arising out of conflicting claims of succession to the throne. Among such wars that
have been waged in Europe the following deserve
special notice: (1) The War of the Spanish Succession, 1701–14; (2) that of the Polish Succession, 1733–35; (3) that of the Austrian Succession, 1740–48; and (4) that of the Bavarian
Succession, 1778–79.

{{anchor|The War of the Spanish Succession}}{{sc|The War of the Spanish Succession}} arose
on the death without male heirs of {{NIE lkpl|Charles II. (Spain)|Charles II.}} (q.v.), King of Spain, of the House of Hapsburg,
November 1, 1700. The nearest natural heir to
the throne was of the royal Bourbon line of
France, Charles’s elder sister having married
Louis XIV.; but, to prevent any possible union of
the two crowns, a solemn renunciation had been
exacted both from Louis and his Queen, for themselves and their heirs. Failing the Bourbons,
the next heirs were the descendants of the younger sister of Charles, who had married the German Emperor Leopold I., ruler of the Austrian
realm, and from whom no renunciation had been
exacted; and the only issue being a daughter,
who had married the Elector of Bavaria, and
borne a son, Joseph Ferdinand, this prince was
during his lifetime regarded both by Charles II.
and the Spanish people as the rightful heir. As
he died in 1699, the question of succession was
reopened. Louis XIV. claimed the throne for
himself, as the son of Philip IV.'s eldest sister,
being, however, again legally barred here by another solemn renunciation. The Emperor Leopold maintained that the Bourbons had by these
two renunciations lost all rights of succession,
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IV.’s younger sister. (See genealogical table,
{{NIE lkpl|Hapsburg#The Hapsburg Family|''The Hapsburg Family'', under {{sc|Hapsburg}}}}.)
Leopold handed over his claim to his second son,
the Archduke Charles. The Austrian party at
first preponderated in Spain; but Louis succeeded in undermining the Austrian influence, and
his grandson, Philip of Anjou, was declared the
heir (October 2, 1700). On the death of King
Charles, Philip appeared in Spain and was recognized as monarch. The Emperor Leopold at
once took up arms and sent an army into Italy
under Prince Eugene, who defeated the French
general Villeroi at Chiari on September 1, 1701.
William III., regarding the union of France and
Spain under the Bourbons as a menace to the
naval interests of England and Holland, and
stirred up by the action of Louis XIV. in recognizing the Pretender, James Edward Stuart, determined to revive the Grand Alliance against
France, and entered into a coalition with Austria
and her allies in the German Empire, including
Prussia. Savoy, Bavaria, and some of the other
German States joined the Bourbons. William’s
policy was continued by Queen Anne, who succeeded to the English throne in March, 1702, and
immediately declared war.

In 1702 Churchill (the future Marlborough),
at the head of an English-Dutch-German army,
made a victorious advance against the French in
the Spanish Netherlands; while a German
army under the Margrave of Baden crossed
the Rhine and encountered Villars, who proved
too powerful for him. In Italy, Prince Eugene, after taking Villeroi prisoner at Cremona
(January, 1702), was checked by Vendôme. In
1703 Marlborough gained fresh successes and the
Duke of Savoy joined the Grand Alliance. The
first great blow was struck on August 13, 1704,
when the combined Austrian-German-British
army under Marlborough and Prince Eugene totally defeated the French and the Bavarians under
Tallard at {{NIE lkpl|Blenheim|Blenheim}} (q.v.). A few days before
Gibraltar had fallen into the hands of the
English. The campaigns of Marlborough in
Germany and of Eugene in Italy in 1705, while
successful, were not very important. In 1706
Marlborough suddenly attacked the French and
Bavarians under Villeroi at {{NIE lkpl|Ramillies|Ramillies}} (q.v.),
and routed them with great slaughter. The
victory of Eugene over Marsin at Turin in the
same year shattered the French power in Italy.

In the meanwhile in 1704 the Archduke
Charles landed at Lisbon with a British and
Dutch army and invaded Spain. In the following year the Earl of Peterborough and Sir
Clowdisley Shovell landed with a small body of
troops in Catalonia. Then, attacked from both
east and west, the Bourbon forces were beaten
and driven across the Pyrenees. After the departure of Peterborough, however, the Bourbon
commander, the {{NIE lkpl|Berwick, James Fitz-James, Duke of|Duke of Berwick}} (q.v.), made
head against his antagonists, and by his victory
at Almanza (April 25, 1707) he recovered the
whole of Spain except Catalonia. In the Netherlands Marlborough and Prince Eugene fell upon
Vendôme’s army at Oudenarde (1708) and inflicted upon it a severe defeat. The capture of
Lille, Ghent, and Bruges followed. France now
began to show symptoms of exhaustion, and
made overtures of peace, but the demands of the
allies were of so exorbitant a character that
Louis XIV. preferred to continue the war.
The French under Villars suffered another great defeat in September, 1709, at the hands of Marlborough and Prince Eugene at {{NIE lkpl|Malplaquet|Malplaquet}} (q.v.).
The death of the Emperor, Joseph I., the successor of Leopold I. (April 17, 1711), and the accession in the Austrian dominions and in the
German Empire of his brother, Charles VI.,
came to the rescue of France, for England became immediately lukewarm in support of a
cause the success of which would result in the
union of Austria and Spain; and the English
Tories having come into power, England concluded an armistice with France in 1712.
Prince Eugene still carried on the war, aided by
Holland, but was compelled to give way; and in
the following spring (1713) Holland, Prussia,
and Savoy joined England as parties to the
{{NIE lkpl|Peace of Utrecht|Peace of Utrecht}} (q.v.). The Emperor Charles
VI. found himself forced to conclude a treaty of
peace at Rastatt, March 7, 1714, and later on the
more formal treaty of Baden (in Aargau), September 7, 1714, ended the struggle, leaving Philip
in possession of the Spanish throne, but with
the provision that the crowns of France and
Spain should never be united in the same person, while Austria obtained the Spanish Netherlands, the former Duchy of Milan, Naples, and
Sardinia. Sicily was awarded to Savoy, which
exchanged it for Sardinia. Gibraltar and Minorca were ceded to England, which acquired
Arcadia from France. The conflict waged between
the English and French in America as part of
the War of the Spanish Succession is known as
Queen Anne’s War.

Consult: Stanhope (Lord Mahon), ''History of the War of the Succession in Spain'' (London,
1836); Coxe, ''Memoirs of the Kings of Spain of the House of Bourbon'' (ib., 1813); Von Noorden,
''Europäische Geschichte im 18ten Jahrhundert'',
“Der spanische Erbfolgekrieg” (Düsseldorf,
1874–83), perhaps the best work on the subject.
See {{NIE article link|Louis XIV.}}

{{anchor+|The War Of The Polish Succession|{{sc|The War Of The Polish Succession}}}}
In 1733
Augustus II. of Poland and Saxony died and {{NIE lkpl|Stanislas I. Leszczynski|Stanislas Leszczynski}} (q.v.), whose daughter had
married Louis XV. of France, was elected King
by the Diet through French influence. Some of
the nobles, however, were determined that the
crown should pass to Augustus (Frederick Augustus II. of Saxony), son of the late King. Russia
and Austria supported Augustus and a Russian
army placed him on the throne. Stanislas withdrew to the fortress of Danzig, where he held
out until June, 1734. France, in retaliation for
Austria’s support of Augustus III., declared war
on the Emperor. The French forces invaded
Lorraine and fought successfully on the Rhine
(1733–34). Charles Emmanuel III. of Sardinia
took up arms against Austria, and in 1734 Don
Carlos, son of Philip V. of Spain, seized the opportunity to undertake the conquest of the Two
Sicilies, which had been wrested from Spain in
the War of the Spanish Succession. The Austrians were overthrown at Bitonto on May 25, 1734,
and in 1735 Don Carlos was crowned King of
the Two Sicilies. By the preliminaries of Vienna (October 3, 1735), Austria relinquished
the possession of these regions. Augustus III.
was recognized as King of Poland, though Stanislas retained the royal title and was given for
his life the duchies of Lorraine and Bar, which
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Stephen, the dispossessed Duke of Lorraine, received the Grand Duchy of Tuscany as compensation. France lent its guarantee to the {{NIE lkpl|Pragmatic Sanction|Pragmatic Sanction}} (q.v.) and Parma and Piacenza
were handed over to the Emperor by Don Carlos.
The definitive Peace of Vienna was not signed
till 1738.

{{anchor+|The War of the Austrian Succession|{{sc|The War of the Austrian Succession}}}}. This
struggle arose after the death of the Emperor {{NIE lkpl|Charles VI. (emperor)|Charles VI.}} (q.v.), in 1740. In accordance with
the {{NIE lkpl|Pragmatic Sanction|Pragmatic Sanction}} (q.v.) Charles VI.'s
daughter and heiress, Maria Theresa, had received assurances of support from most of the
European powers, but hardly had she ascended
the Austrian throne when she found her dominion contested on every side. Frederick the Great
of Prussia reasserted an old claim and invaded
and seized Silesia. Charles Albert, Elector of
Bavaria, claimed to be the rightful heir to the
Hapsburg possessions as a descendant through
the female line of Ferdinand I., and in virtue
of old arrangements. Augustus III. of Saxony
and Poland put forward his claims as the husband of the eldest daughter of the Emperor
Joseph I. The Bourbon courts of France and
Spain seized the opportunity to make war upon
Austria. England thereupon entered into an
alliance with Maria Theresa. Charles Emmanuel
III. of Sardinia was also among the princes who
sought the dismemberment of the Austrian
realm. Holland joined the Anglo-Austrian Alliance, and the Bourbon King of Naples joined
the enemies of Maria Theresa. Some of the
minor German princes engaged in the struggle,
as allies of Prussia and France. On April 10,
1741, Frederick II. defeated the Austrians at
Mollwitz. The Bavarians, the French, under
Belleisle, and the Saxons poured into the Austrian dominions. Maria Theresa appealed for
support to her Hungarian subjects at the Diet
assembled at Pressburg and they responded
chivalrously to her call. She was, however, unable to save Prague, which surrendered to Belleisle on November 26, 1741, but at the beginning
of 1742 her forces entered upon a victorious
campaign against Charles Albert. General Khevenhüller overran Bavaria, and on the very day
of the Elector Charles Albert’s coronation as
Emperor Charles VII. took Munich (February
12, 1742). On May 17, 1742, Frederick won a
victory over the Austrians at Chotusitz, which
was followed by the Treaty of Breslau (terminating the first Silesian War) which provided for
the cession of most of Silesia to Prussia. The
French General Belleisle effected a masterly retreat from Prague.

In May, 1743, Bavaria again fell into the
hands of the Austrians. In June the English,
under George II., defeated the French at Dettingen. In the same year Saxony and Sardinia
were won over to the side of Austria. France
and Spain now remained the sole representatives
of the coalition. Seeing the tide turn so
strongly in favor of Austria, Frederick became
alarmed and renewed hostilities in 1744 by an
invasion of Bohemia (second Silesian War). In
January, 1745, Charles VII. died and his son,
Maximilian Joseph, made peace with Austria.
On June 4, 1745, Frederick won a victory over
the Austrians at Hohenfriedberg, and on December 15th the Prussians defeated the Saxons
at Kesselsdorf. Frederick, displeased with the
overbearing conduct of France, was willing to
make terms with Austria, and the Peace of
Dresden (December 25, 1745) between Austria,
Saxony, and Prussia terminated the second Silesian War. On September 13, 1745, the husband of Maria Theresa had been elected Emperor
as Francis I. In the meanwhile the French
were being led to victory in the Austrian Netherlands by Marshal Saxe, who, on May 11, 1745,
defeated the English, Hanoverians, Dutch, and
Austrians at Fontenoy. One after another the
principal towns of the region fell before his attacks, and on October 11, 1746, he won a splendid victory over the allies under Charles of Lorraine at Raucoux. In Italy the war was waged
with varying fortune. In 1745 the French were
successful. In 1746 the Austrians and Sardinians made a victorious advance, and Genoa,
which had joined the enemies of Austria, was
occupied. The city, however, had soon to be
evacuated, and an attempt to recapture it in
1747 was frustrated by the French. In 1747
Saxe routed the Duke of Cumberland at Laffeld, near Aix-la-Chapelle (July 2d), while his
celebrated chief of engineers, Count Löwendal,
after a two months’ siege, took Bergen-op-Zoom,
a fortress believed by the Dutch to be impregnable. On the sea, however, the English gained
victories in 1747 under Admirals Anson and
Hawke. At this juncture the Empress Elizabeth
of Russia came to the aid of Maria Theresa and
sent her forces into the field. France was now
willing to listen to proposals of peace. On October 18, 1748, the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle
put an end to the war. It left the Hapsburgs
in possession of their hereditary dominions, with
the exception of Silesia. Parma and Piacenza
(acquired in 1735) were handed over by Austria
to Don Philip, brother of Ferdinand VI. of
Spain. The principal event of the contest waged
by the British and French in America (King
George’s War) was the taking of Louisburg in
1745. The French held their ground in India.

{{anchor+|The War of the Bavarian Succession|{{sc|The War of the Bavarian Succession}}}}. The
Elector Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria died
without issue on December 30, 1777. The natural
heir was Charles Theodore, Elector Palatine, head
of the elder line of the House of Wittelsbach.
This prince had no legitimate heirs, and with a
view of furthering the interests of his illegitimate children, he had, in January, 1778, entered
into a convention with the Emperor Joseph II.
(the son of Maria Theresa, sovereign of Austria
and Queen of Hungary) by which he agreed to
transfer Lower Bavaria to Austria, which put
forward an antiquated claim to a part of the
Bavarian dominions. Frederick the Great would
not consent to such an aggrandizement of Austria in South Germany, the more so as he felt
that it might interfere with the claim of Prussia
to the succession in the principalities of Ansbach
and Bayreuth. As Austria refused to withdraw
her pretensions, Frederick proceeded to make
war on her, and in the summer of 1778 he invaded Bohemia. He was joined by the Elector of
Saxony, who, as the husband of the only daughter of Maximilian Joseph, claimed a portion of
the Bavarian inheritance. Maria Theresa and
Joseph II. were in no haste to plunge into
a war with Prussia, and the Austrian forces
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of Russia toward Austria induced her to give
way, and in the Treaty of Teschen, signed on
May 13, 1779, she had to content herself with the
acquisition of the Innviertel, a district on the
east side of the Inn, with the exception of which
the whole of the Bavarian inheritance passed to
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succinic Acid&quot; /&gt;'''SUCCINIC ACID''' (from Lat. ''succinum'', ''sucinum'', amber), COOH.CH.CH.COOH. A di-basic
organic acid found in amber, in unripe fruits, in
brown coal, etc. In the animal organism it occurs in the spleen, the hydrocephalic and hydrocele fluids, and, according to some authors, also
in normal urine. It has been known to chemists
since the sixteenth century, and its acid character was discovered by Lemery in 1679. It may
be obtained by a variety of synthetic chemical
methods. Usually, however, it is prepared by
the fermentation of a solution of ammonium tartrate. It is a crystalline substance melting at
180° C. and boiling at 235° C., though when
distilled it loses the elements of water and is
partly converted into its anhydride. Succinic
acid is almost insoluble in ether; it is moderately soluble in cold and very soluble in hot
water and alcohol.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succory&quot; /&gt;'''SUCCORY.''' Another name for {{NIE lkpl|chicory|chicory}} (q.v.).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succoth&quot; /&gt;'''SUC′COTH''' (Heb. sukkōth, booths, thickets).
A place name occurring several times in the Old
Testament. In Joshua xiii. 27 a Succoth is described as situated in the territory of Gad, ‘in
the valley,’ and within the ancient bounds of
Sihon, King of Heshbon. A location east of the
Jordan is indicated here and also in Genesis
xxxiii. 17 and Judges viii. 5–16 (cf. Psalms lx. 6,
cviii. 7). In I. Kings vii. 46 (II. Chron. iv. 17)
it is stated that the metal work for Solomon’s
temple was cast &quot;in the plain of Jordan between
Succoth and Zarthan.&quot; It has been thought that
this Succoth was in the west Jordan country.
No satisfactory identifications, however, have
been proposed. Succoth was also the name of the
second station in the Exodus from Egypt (Ex.
xii. 37, xiii. 20, Num. xxxiii. 5–6).
SUC/COTH-BE’NOTH. According to II.
Kings xvii. 30, the name of a deity whose worship was carried on at Samaria by the colonists
from Babylon settled there by Shalmaneser IV.
No such god has been found in Babylonian inscriptions, and it is reasonable to conclude that
the form is corrupt. In Amos v. 26 a deity (or
a star), Sikkut, is mentioned by the side of
Chiun (perhaps the planet-god Saturn-Ninib),
and a deity Sakkut occurs in Babylonian literature. The bad state of the text in the passage
from Amos, however, requires caution in drawing conclusions, and there is no necessary connection between Succoth and Sikkut.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Sucher, Josef&quot; /&gt;'''SUCHER,''' SOO’Ker, {{sc|Josef}} (1844–). A prominent Austrian musical conductor and composer,
born at Döbör, Eisenburg County, Hungary. First
instructed in music as a chorister in the Imperial
chapel at Vienna, he afterwards studied law at
the university and composition under Sechter,
became conductor of the Akademische Gesang
verein and assistant conductor at the opera, and
in 1876 went to Leipzig as kapellmeister at the
Stadt Theater, where his rehearsals of Wagner’s
music dramas, especially of the Ring of the Nibelung, placed him in the front rank of modern
conductors. In 1879 he was called to Hamburg
and in 1888 to the Royal Opera in Berlin. As
a composer he has earned reputation through
choral and orchestral works, church music, and
many lofty and spirited songs.-His wife, Rosa
(1849–), born (Hasselbeck) at Velburg, Upper
Palatinate, is a highly gifted dramatic singer,
widely known as an interpreter of Wagner rôles.
She appeared first in Munich, was subsequently
connected with the stages at Treves, Königsberg,
and Danzig, then at Leipzig, where she was married, and went with her husband to Hamburg and
Berlin. Since 1898 she confined herself to starring engagements, notably for the Festspiele at
Bayreuth, her impersonations of Isolde, Sieglinde, and Brunhilda being most highly commended.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Suchet, Louis Gabriel&quot; /&gt;'''SUCHET,''' su’sha', {{sc|Louis Gabriel}}, Duke of
Albufera (1770–1826). A marshal of France,
born at Lyons, March 2, 1770. He began his
military career by volunteering as a private in
the Lyons National Guard in 1792. His intelligence and valor at Lodi, Rivoli, Castiglione, Arcole, and in battles of less note, laid
the foundation of his military reputation. In
1797 he became a general of brigade and in the
following year general of division, serving in
in check, with a force far inferior to that of
Switzerland and Italy. In 1800 he kept Melas
the Austrian commander, and prevented the invasion of France. He took part in the campaigns
against Austria (1805) and Prussia (1806–07),
was sent to Spain in 1808, and in 1809 was appointed to the command of the French army in
Aragon. He won the battle of Belchite (June 16–18, 1809) and took Lérida (May, 1810), and
Tortosa and Tarragona (1811), earning the marshal’s baton for his achievements. In January,
1812, he conquered Valencia, and was made Duke
of Albufera. The misfortunes of the other French
armies in Spain compelled Suchet gradually to
relinquish his conquests. He was created a peer
by Louis XVIII., but took service under Napoleon
after his return from Elba, and was charged with
the defense of the southwestern frontier.
prived of his peerage at the Second Restoration,
he did not return to Court till 1819. He died at
the Château of Saint-Joseph, near Marseilles,
January 3, 1826. Consult Suchet, Mémoires sur
ses campagnes en Espagne (Paris, 1829–34).
DeSUCHIER, su’shya', HERMANN (1848–). A
German Romance philologist, born at Karlshafen,
Hesse-Nassau, of a family of French refugees.
After studying at Marburg and Leipzig, he qualified at Marburg in 1873 and became successively
professor at Zurich (1875), Münster, and Halle
(1876). Of his publications in the field of
French and Provençal philology may be noted:
“Ueber die französische Sprache,” in Gröber’s
Grundriss der romanischen Philologie (1888), also
separate in French. Le Français et le Provençal
(1891); Altfranzösische Grammatik (1893).
He edited Aucassin et Nicolette (4th ed., 1899);
Bibliotheca Normannica (1879); Denkmäler
provençalischer Litteratur und Sprache (1883);
Euvres poétiques de Philippe de Remi (1884–85). In collaboration with Birch-Hirschfeld he
wrote a Geschichte der französischen Litteratur
(1900).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Su-Chow, Soo-Chow&quot; /&gt;'''SU-CHOW,''' soo’chou', or {{sc|Soo-Chow}}. A fu
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of Russia toward Austria induced her to give
way, and in the Treaty of Teschen, signed on
May 13, 1779, she had to content herself with the
acquisition of the Innviertel, a district on the
east side of the Inn, with the exception of which
the whole of the Bavarian inheritance passed to
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succinic Acid&quot; /&gt;'''SUCCINIC ACID''' (from Lat. ''succinum'', ''sucinum'', amber), &lt;chem&gt;COOH.CH2.CH2.COOH&lt;/chem&gt;. A di-basic
organic acid found in amber, in unripe fruits, in
brown coal, etc. In the animal organism it occurs in the spleen, the hydrocephalic and hydrocele fluids, and, according to some authors, also
in normal urine. It has been known to chemists
since the sixteenth century, and its acid character was discovered by Lemery in 1679. It may
be obtained by a variety of synthetic chemical
methods. Usually, however, it is prepared by
the fermentation of a solution of ammonium tartrate. It is a crystalline substance melting at
180° C. and boiling at 235° C., though when
distilled it loses the elements of water and is
partly converted into its anhydride. Succinic
acid is almost insoluble in ether; it is moderately soluble in cold and very soluble in hot
water and alcohol.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succory&quot; /&gt;'''SUCCORY.''' Another name for {{NIE lkpl|Chicory|chicory}} (q.v.).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Succoth&quot; /&gt;'''SUC′COTH''' (Heb. ''sukkōth'', booths, thickets).
A place name occurring several times in the Old
Testament. In Joshua xiii. 27 a Succoth is described as situated in the territory of Gad, ‘in
the valley,’ and within the ancient bounds of
Sihon, King of Heshbon. A location east of the
Jordan is indicated here and also in Genesis
xxxiii. 17 and Judges viii. 5–16 (cf. Psalms lx. 6,
cviii. 7). In I. Kings vii. 46 (II. Chron. iv. 17)
it is stated that the metal work for Solomon’s
temple was cast &quot;in the plain of Jordan between
Succoth and Zarthan.&quot; It has been thought that
this Succoth was in the west Jordan country.
No satisfactory identifications, however, have
been proposed. Succoth was also the name of the
second station in the Exodus from Egypt (Ex.
xii. 37, xiii. 20, Num. xxxiii. 5–6).

&lt;section end=&quot;Succoth&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Succoth-benoth&quot; /&gt;'''SUC′COTH-BE’NOTH.''' According to II.
Kings xvii. 30, the name of a deity whose worship was carried on at Samaria by the colonists
from Babylon settled there by Shalmaneser IV.
No such god has been found in Babylonian inscriptions, and it is reasonable to conclude that
the form is corrupt. In Amos v. 26 a deity (or
a star), Sikkut, is mentioned by the side of
Chiun (perhaps the planet-god Saturn-Ninib),
and a deity Sakkut occurs in Babylonian literature. The bad state of the text in the passage
from Amos, however, requires caution in drawing conclusions, and there is no necessary connection between Succoth and Sikkut.

&lt;section end=&quot;Succoth-benoth&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Sucher, Josef&quot; /&gt;'''SUCHER,''' {{NIE key|so͞o′ᴋẽr}}, {{sc|Josef}} (1844–). A prominent Austrian musical conductor and composer,
born at Döbör, Eisenburg County, Hungary. First
instructed in music as a chorister in the Imperial
chapel at Vienna, he afterwards studied law at
the university and composition under Sechter,
became conductor of the Akademische Gesangverein and assistant conductor at the opera, and
in 1876 went to Leipzig as kapellmeister at the
Stadt Theater, where his rehearsals of Wagner’s
music dramas, especially of the ''Ring of the Nibelung'', placed him in the front rank of modern
conductors. In 1879 he was called to Hamburg
and in 1888 to the Royal Opera in Berlin. As
a composer he has earned reputation through
choral and orchestral works, church music, and
many lofty and spirited songs.—His wife, Rosa
(1849–), born (Hasselbeck) at Velburg, Upper
Palatinate, is a highly gifted dramatic singer,
widely known as an interpreter of Wagner rôles.
She appeared first in Munich, was subsequently
connected with the stages at Treves, Königsberg,
and Danzig, then at Leipzig, where she was married, and went with her husband to Hamburg and
Berlin. Since 1898 she confined herself to starring engagements, notably for the Festspiele at
Bayreuth, her impersonations of Isolde, Sieglinde, and Brunhilda being most highly commended.

&lt;section end=&quot;Sucher, Josef&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Suchet, Louis Gabriel&quot; /&gt;'''SUCHET,''' su’sha', {{sc|Louis Gabriel}}, Duke of
Albufera (1770–1826). A marshal of France,
born at Lyons, March 2, 1770. He began his
military career by volunteering as a private in
the Lyons National Guard in 1792. His intelligence and valor at Lodi, Rivoli, Castiglione, Arcole, and in battles of less note, laid
the foundation of his military reputation. In
1797 he became a general of brigade and in the
following year general of division, serving in
in check, with a force far inferior to that of
Switzerland and Italy. In 1800 he kept Melas
the Austrian commander, and prevented the invasion of France. He took part in the campaigns
against Austria (1805) and Prussia (1806–07),
was sent to Spain in 1808, and in 1809 was appointed to the command of the French army in
Aragon. He won the battle of Belchite (June 16–18, 1809) and took Lérida (May, 1810), and
Tortosa and Tarragona (1811), earning the marshal’s baton for his achievements. In January,
1812, he conquered Valencia, and was made Duke
of Albufera. The misfortunes of the other French
armies in Spain compelled Suchet gradually to
relinquish his conquests. He was created a peer
by Louis XVIII., but took service under Napoleon
after his return from Elba, and was charged with
the defense of the southwestern frontier.
prived of his peerage at the Second Restoration,
he did not return to Court till 1819. He died at
the Château of Saint-Joseph, near Marseilles,
January 3, 1826. Consult Suchet, Mémoires sur
ses campagnes en Espagne (Paris, 1829–34).
DeSUCHIER, su’shya', HERMANN (1848–). A
German Romance philologist, born at Karlshafen,
Hesse-Nassau, of a family of French refugees.
After studying at Marburg and Leipzig, he qualified at Marburg in 1873 and became successively
professor at Zurich (1875), Münster, and Halle
(1876). Of his publications in the field of
French and Provençal philology may be noted:
“Ueber die französische Sprache,” in Gröber’s
Grundriss der romanischen Philologie (1888), also
separate in French. Le Français et le Provençal
(1891); Altfranzösische Grammatik (1893).
He edited Aucassin et Nicolette (4th ed., 1899);
Bibliotheca Normannica (1879); Denkmäler
provençalischer Litteratur und Sprache (1883);
Euvres poétiques de Philippe de Remi (1884–85). In collaboration with Birch-Hirschfeld he
wrote a Geschichte der französischen Litteratur
(1900).

&lt;section end=&quot;Suchet, Louis Gabriel&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Su-Chow, Soo-Chow&quot; /&gt;'''SU-CHOW,''' soo’chou', or {{sc|Soo-Chow}}. A fu
or departmental city of the Province of Kiang-su,
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(4) The university crowns the whole. Besides these there are normal schools and special schools.

Instruction is not gratuitous, and the local school boards, which are elected by the people, have to provide for those too poor to pay. The school age is from six to fourteen. In 1898 the number of children of school age was 7,709,424. In 1899 the public and private primary schools numbered 26,997, with 88,660 teachers, and 4,302,623 pupils in attendance (2,672,372 boys, and 1,630,251 girls), or an average of 48.53 to every teacher. These figures do not include Formosa, whore there is a special educational system. In that year public school property was valued at $25,060,960, including land, buildings, books, instruments, etc.

In 1899 there were 190 middle schools, with 3083 instructors, and 68,885 pupils; 40 normal schools, with 839 instructors, and 12,829 students; 275 special and technical schools, with 1970 teachers, and 34,969 students; 30 superior schools for girls, with 430 teachers, and 8474 pupils; 2686 miscellaneous schools, with 5733 teachers, and 109,209 pupils (30 of which with 1441 pupils were in Hokkaido, and 1523 with 35,835 pupils were in Formosa).

There are 42 schools of law, medicine, political economy, literature, and science, with 782 professors (some of whom are foreigners), and 11,627 students; 120 schools of arts, manufactures, agriculture, commerce, etc., with 1033 professors (some foreign) and 15,772 students. The preparatory schools number 107, have 202 teachers, and 7324 pupils. Lastly, there are six schools for deaf mutes. One hundred students were also maintained abroad. The 38 libraries had 484,225 Chinese and Japanese books, and 63,332 in European languages. The total expenditure was $13,952,581. The Imperial University at Tokio was founded in 1869 by the consolidation of two schools—the Kai-sei-gakko and the Sho-heiko, which had come into existence in the Shogun’s time, and later other colleges were added. In 1900 it had 15 foreign and 211 Japanese professors and instructors, and 2880 students. The University of Kioto was opened in 1899 with one foreign and 69 native professors, and 300 students. It has a University Hall and four colleges. In the same year the number of books published was 21,235, of which 4453 related to law and administrative organization; 1237 to agriculture; 1058 religion; 118 painting; dictionaries, 77; history, 206; and geography, 474; and 464,458,141 copies of 978 periodicals were issued.

{{sc|Religion.}} It is customary to speak of the ''two'' religions of Japan—{{NIE article link|Shinto|Shintō|nosc=yes}} and {{NIE article link|Buddhism|nosc=yes}} (qq.v.)—but to these may now be added Christianity, for the old prohibitions have been removed, and under the new Constitution of 1889 absolute freedom of speech and freedom of religious opinion and belief are guaranteed. The first-mentioned of the three, Shinto, ‘the way of the gods,’ is a purely native cult. It has no creed, no doctrinal system, no moral code, no priests, and no images in its 191,962 temples and shrines, though it has nearly 14,000 gods, before whom, or some of whom, certain offerings are made from time to time; to whom certain prayers are addressed on such occasions, and before whom certain ceremonious dances are performed in a very punctilious and decorous way. It appears to be a mild kind of ancestor and hero worship which has come down from primitive times. The chief deity is Amaterasu, the ‘sun-goddess,’ from whom the mikados are descended. It exerts no particular influence for good on the people, though it does them no harm. From the ninth century onward it became much tinged and corrupted with Buddhism, indeed was practically absorbed by it, {{NIE article link|Kobo Daishi|Kōbō Daishi|nosc=yes}} (q.v.) having apparently convinced everybody that the Shinto gods were merely manifestations or transmigrations of Buddhist deities. It is stated that 12 sects of Shinto now exist.

Buddhism entered Japan by way of Korea in 552 along with the arts, sciences, and letters of China. Its gilded images and its gorgeous temples and ritual appealed to the Japanese mind, and the new religion became popular. It gained both the favor and the patronage of the Imperial Court, and in 621 it was by edict proclaimed to be the established religion. Priests went to China, or were sent there by the Government to study, and these on their return brought with them new scriptures, new sects, and new ideas which soon began to blossom out into other new sects in Japan. Kobo Daishi in 816 founded the {{NIE article link|Shingon|Shin-gon|nosc=yes}} (q.v.) or the sect with the form of ‘true words;’ the Zen or ‘contemplative’ sect was introduced in 1202; the Jodo or ‘pure-land’ sect (see {{NIE article link|Ts’ing-tu|Ts'ing-tu}} and {{NIE article link|Sukhavati|Sukhāvatī}}) in 1211; the Shin-shiu or ‘new sect,’ an offshoot of the preceding, in 1262; the Nichiren in 1282; and many others. Now there are 70 sects and sub-sects, all based on or developments of the Mahayana or ‘Northern School’ of Buddhism in which Sakyamuni, the historical Buddha, has little or no place. The most important of these as far as influencing the people is concerned are the Jodo, which finds Nirvana too hard to attain to, and provides instead a ‘Paradise in the West,’ presided over by Amida Buddha, where the faithful may enjoy a blissful existence through untold ages, and whence, if they have to be reborn, it will be easy to reach the Nirvana state. The Shin-shiu, an offshoot from Jodo, has been called the ‘Protestantism of Japan.’ It teaches that salvation may be obtained merely by faith in the mercy of Amida—the chief of the Buddhas—and his ability to save, without works of any kind. No change of heart or conduct is necessary and nothing is required beyond loving one another, keeping orderly, and observing the laws of the Government. Its priests may marry, and they are free to eat both flesh and fish. This is the most powerful of the Japanese sects; its temples are large and magnificent, are found in the most crowded parts of the cities, and are thronged day and night with silent worshipers. In 1899 its temples numbered 19,213. Buddhism was disestablished in 1871, and disendowed in 1874, and there is now no State religion. The great majority of the people arc Buddhists, but there are no organized bodies of church members as there are in Christendom. Among the upper classes agnosticism prevails.

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time of the Gudrun saga is evidently that of the
Danish raids on the English and Irish coasts.
The subject is as old as the stories of Europa and
Helen, but it was essentially a story of the
seaside. Hence, though it was the more artistic,
it appealed less to popular taste, and was not
like the ''Nibelungenlied'' subjected to popular revision and extension. It had its origin, like the
other, in epic songs, but it had an original poet
for its author, and shows a constructive development by conscious plan. Thus it stands between
the true popular epic and the studied epic of the
Court. The best modern edition of the ''Gudrun''
is by Martin (Halle, 1902). There are translations into modern German by Simrock (1843);
Klee (1878); Weitbrecht (1884, a paraphrase);
L. Freytag (1888); Lemmermayer (1890); and
Legerlotz (1900). Consult Wilmanns, ''Die Entwickelung der Kudrundichtung'' (Halle, 1873).

&lt;section end=&quot;Gudrun&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebers&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBERS,''' {{NIE key|gē′bẽrz}} ''or'' {{NIE key|gā′bẽrz}}. See {{NIE article link|Ghebers}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guebers&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;'''GUÉBRIANT,''' {{NIE key|gā̇{{sm|′}}brē̇{{sm|′}}äɴ′}}, {{sc|Jean Baptiste Budes}}, Count de (1602–43). A French marshal,
born at Plessis-Budes, in Brittany. He fought
first in Holland, then held a command in the
French troops that formed a portion of the
German army in the campaign in the Lower
Palatinate, and conducted the passage of the
Rhine (1639). After the death of Duke Bernhard
of Saxe-Weimar, its leader (1639), the army
fought under the French banners with Guébriant
in command. He defeated the Imperial troops
at Wolfenbüttel (1641), and at Kempen (1642),
where he was made marshal. At the siege of
Rottweil, in Swabia, he was mortally wounded
and died in the surrendered city (1643).

&lt;section end=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBWILLER,''' {{NIE key|gā̇b{{sm|′}}vē̇{{sm|′}}lâr′}}. A town in Upper
Alsace, Germany. See {{NIE article link|Gebweiler}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelder&quot; /&gt;'''GUELDER,''' {{NIE key|gĕl′dẽr}}, or '''GUELDRES ROSE'''
(from ''Gelderland'', ''Gelderen'', a Dutch province
where this rose was supposed to have originated).
A cultivated variety of the high-bush cranberry
(''Viburnum Opulus''—see {{NIE article link|Viburnum}}), in which the
flowers are all barren, and instead of forming flat
cymes, as in the wild plant, form much larger
globose corymbs. It is sometimes called the
snowball tree. When abounding in flowers, it is
a very ornamental shrub, and is therefore very
often planted.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelder&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Güell y Renté, Juan&quot; /&gt;'''GÜELL Y RENTÉ,''' {{NIE key|go͞o-ā̇l′y’ē̇ rãn-tā′}}, {{sc|Juan}}
(1815–75). A Cuban author, born and educated
in Havana. When twenty years old he went to
Spain and enlisted in the army, where he served
for a number of years. When he returned to
Cuba he was for several terms sent as a representative of the island in the Spanish Cortes.
He published a volume of poems, ''Hojas del alma''
(1844); ''Ultimos cantos'' (1859); and ''Noches de estío'' (1861).—His brother {{sc|José}} (1818–84)
was born in Havana, and was sent to Barcelona
to be educated. After several years spent in
practicing law in Cuba, he returned to Spain in
1848, and married Doña Josefa Fernanda, the
sister of the King consort, in spite of royal opposition. This resulted in his banishment, and
for several years he lived in Paris, where he was
active in the liberal and republican conspiracies
in connection with Spain. He published ''Amarguras del corazón'' (1843); ''Lágrimas del corazón''
(1846); and ''Leyendas americanas'' (1856), all
poetry in Spanish, several novels in French, and
an historical work, ''Philippe II. et Don Carlos devant l’histoire'' (1878).

&lt;section end=&quot;Güell y Renté, Juan&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlf}}. The chief city of Wellington County, Ontario, Can., on the river Speed
and the Grand Trunk and the Canadian Pacific
railways, 48 miles west of Toronto ({{NIE lkpl|Ontario#Map of Ontario|Map: Ontario}}, C&amp;nbsp;4). It is an inland port of entry, the
seat of a United States consul; has abundant
water-power, and a large number of piano, organ,
sewing-machine, agricultural implements, carriage,
and other factories. It is a stock-raising centre,
and is the seat of the ‘Canadian Cirencester,’ the
Ontario Agricultural College, and its experimental farm. Guelph was founded by {{NIE lkpl|Galt, John| John Galt}},
the Scotch author (q.v.). Population, in 1891,
10,537; in 1901, 11,496.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH FUND.''' The name given to the
sum granted by the Prussian Government, in
1867, to the deposed King of Hanover, George V.,
but withdrawn in 1868, on the latter’s continued
refusal to renounce his right to the throne. It
amounted to about $12,000,000, and the income
of it was kept by Prussia till 1879, when part
of it was given to the widow and daughters of
the King. The Duke of Cumberland, son of
George V., acquired the entire income in 1892,
on renouncing explicitly any intention of intriguing against Prussia. While Prussia administered
the fund the income was said to have been used
in combating the Guelph intrigues; and the suspicion that Bismarck employed it for corrupt
purposes, such as bribing the press, won for it
the nickname of the ‘Reptile Fund.’

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphic, Order&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHIC''' ({{NIE key|gwĕl′fĭk}}) '''ORDER'''. An order
of knighthood for Hanover, instituted by George
IV., when prince regent, on August 12, 1815. It
became extinct in 1866. It was both a military
and civil order, unlimited in membership, comprising five classes, Grand Cross, Commander of the
first and of the second class, knight, and simple
member. The grand mastership was vested in the
Crown of Hanover. The badge of the order was
an eight-pointed cross of gold, with lions between the arms and surmounted by a crown; in
the centre was the white horse of Hanover surrounded by a blue circle, and the motto, ''Nec Aspera Terrent''.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelphic, Order&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphs, and Ghibellines&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHS,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlfs}}, '''AND GHIBELLINES''',
{{NIE key|gĭb′ē̇-lĭnz}}. The names of two great political
parties, whose contentions and wars distracted
Northern and Central Italy in the latter part of
the Middle Ages. The designation Guelph (Ital.
''Guelfo'', pl. ''Guelfi''&amp;thinsp;) is commonly supposed to be
derived from Welf, the name of a princely
family of Germany, which rose to great power
in the twelfth century, when it was the rival of
the House of Hohenstaufen, which occupied the
Imperial throne. The most famous of the rulers
of the House of Guelph was Henry the Lion,
Duke of Saxony and Bavaria, who defied the
power of the Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, and
who was finally deprived of most of his possessions in 1180–81. The origin of the designation Ghibelline (Ital. ''Ghibellino'') is altogether
uncertain. A theory which has been widely accepted, but which rests on an insufficient basis,
is that it became current as a modification of
Waiblinger (‘men of Waiblinger.’ one of the
possessions of the Hohenstaufen in South Germany), the name, used as a battle-cry, under
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time of the Gudrun saga is evidently that of the
Danish raids on the English and Irish coasts.
The subject is as old as the stories of Europa and
Helen, but it was essentially a story of the
seaside. Hence, though it was the more artistic,
it appealed less to popular taste, and was not
like the ''Nibelungenlied'' subjected to popular revision and extension. It had its origin, like the
other, in epic songs, but it had an original poet
for its author, and shows a constructive development by conscious plan. Thus it stands between
the true popular epic and the studied epic of the
Court. The best modern edition of the ''Gudrun''
is by Martin (Halle, 1902). There are translations into modern German by Simrock (1843);
Klee (1878); Weitbrecht (1884, a paraphrase);
L. Freytag (1888); Lemmermayer (1890); and
Legerlotz (1900). Consult Wilmanns, ''Die Entwickelung der Kudrundichtung'' (Halle, 1873).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebers&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBERS,''' {{NIE key|gē′bẽrz}} ''or'' {{NIE key|gā′bẽrz}}. See {{NIE article link|Ghebers}}.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;'''GUÉBRIANT,''' {{NIE key|gā̇{{sm|′}}brē̇{{sm|′}}äɴ′}}, {{sc|Jean Baptiste Budes}}, Count de (1602–43). A French marshal,
born at Plessis-Budes, in Brittany. He fought
first in Holland, then held a command in the
French troops that formed a portion of the
German army in the campaign in the Lower
Palatinate, and conducted the passage of the
Rhine (1639). After the death of Duke Bernhard
of Saxe-Weimar, its leader (1639), the army
fought under the French banners with Guébriant
in command. He defeated the Imperial troops
at Wolfenbüttel (1641), and at Kempen (1642),
where he was made marshal. At the siege of
Rottweil, in Swabia, he was mortally wounded
and died in the surrendered city (1643).

&lt;section end=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBWILLER,''' {{NIE key|gā̇b{{sm|′}}vē̇{{sm|′}}lâr′}}. A town in Upper
Alsace, Germany. See {{NIE article link|Gebweiler}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelder Rose&quot; /&gt;'''GUELDER,''' {{NIE key|gĕl′dẽr}}, or '''GUELDRES ROSE'''
(from ''Gelderland'', ''Gelderen'', a Dutch province
where this rose was supposed to have originated).
A cultivated variety of the high-bush cranberry
(''Viburnum Opulus''—see {{NIE article link|Viburnum}}), in which the
flowers are all barren, and instead of forming flat
cymes, as in the wild plant, form much larger
globose corymbs. It is sometimes called the
snowball tree. When abounding in flowers, it is
a very ornamental shrub, and is therefore very
often planted.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Güell y Renté, Juan&quot; /&gt;'''GÜELL Y RENTÉ,''' {{NIE key|go͞o-ā̇l′y’ē̇ rãn-tā′}}, {{sc|Juan}}
(1815–75). A Cuban author, born and educated
in Havana. When twenty years old he went to
Spain and enlisted in the army, where he served
for a number of years. When he returned to
Cuba he was for several terms sent as a representative of the island in the Spanish Cortes.
He published a volume of poems, ''Hojas del alma''
(1844); ''Ultimos cantos'' (1859); and ''Noches de estío'' (1861).—His brother {{sc|José}} (1818–84)
was born in Havana, and was sent to Barcelona
to be educated. After several years spent in
practicing law in Cuba, he returned to Spain in
1848, and married Doña Josefa Fernanda, the
sister of the King consort, in spite of royal opposition. This resulted in his banishment, and
for several years he lived in Paris, where he was
active in the liberal and republican conspiracies
in connection with Spain. He published ''Amarguras del corazón'' (1843); ''Lágrimas del corazón''
(1846); and ''Leyendas americanas'' (1856), all
poetry in Spanish, several novels in French, and
an historical work, ''Philippe II. et Don Carlos devant l’histoire'' (1878).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlf}}. The chief city of Wellington County, Ontario, Can., on the river Speed
and the Grand Trunk and the Canadian Pacific
railways, 48 miles west of Toronto ({{NIE lkpl|Ontario#Map of Ontario|Map: Ontario}}, C&amp;nbsp;4). It is an inland port of entry, the
seat of a United States consul; has abundant
water-power, and a large number of piano, organ,
sewing-machine, agricultural implements, carriage,
and other factories. It is a stock-raising centre,
and is the seat of the ‘Canadian Cirencester,’ the
Ontario Agricultural College, and its experimental farm. Guelph was founded by {{NIE lkpl|Galt, John| John Galt}},
the Scotch author (q.v.). Population, in 1891,
10,537; in 1901, 11,496.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH FUND.''' The name given to the
sum granted by the Prussian Government, in
1867, to the deposed King of Hanover, George V.,
but withdrawn in 1868, on the latter’s continued
refusal to renounce his right to the throne. It
amounted to about $12,000,000, and the income
of it was kept by Prussia till 1879, when part
of it was given to the widow and daughters of
the King. The Duke of Cumberland, son of
George V., acquired the entire income in 1892,
on renouncing explicitly any intention of intriguing against Prussia. While Prussia administered
the fund the income was said to have been used
in combating the Guelph intrigues; and the suspicion that Bismarck employed it for corrupt
purposes, such as bribing the press, won for it
the nickname of the ‘Reptile Fund.’

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphic, Order&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHIC''' ({{NIE key|gwĕl′fĭk}}) '''ORDER'''. An order
of knighthood for Hanover, instituted by George
IV., when prince regent, on August 12, 1815. It
became extinct in 1866. It was both a military
and civil order, unlimited in membership, comprising five classes, Grand Cross, Commander of the
first and of the second class, knight, and simple
member. The grand mastership was vested in the
Crown of Hanover. The badge of the order was
an eight-pointed cross of gold, with lions between the arms and surmounted by a crown; in
the centre was the white horse of Hanover surrounded by a blue circle, and the motto, ''Nec Aspera Terrent''.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelphic, Order&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphs, and Ghibellines&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHS,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlfs}}, '''AND GHIBELLINES''',
{{NIE key|gĭb′ē̇-lĭnz}}. The names of two great political
parties, whose contentions and wars distracted
Northern and Central Italy in the latter part of
the Middle Ages. The designation Guelph (Ital.
''Guelfo'', pl. ''Guelfi''&amp;thinsp;) is commonly supposed to be
derived from Welf, the name of a princely
family of Germany, which rose to great power
in the twelfth century, when it was the rival of
the House of Hohenstaufen, which occupied the
Imperial throne. The most famous of the rulers
of the House of Guelph was Henry the Lion,
Duke of Saxony and Bavaria, who defied the
power of the Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, and
who was finally deprived of most of his possessions in 1180–81. The origin of the designation Ghibelline (Ital. ''Ghibellino'') is altogether
uncertain. A theory which has been widely accepted, but which rests on an insufficient basis,
is that it became current as a modification of
Waiblinger (‘men of Waiblinger.’ one of the
possessions of the Hohenstaufen in South Germany), the name, used as a battle-cry, under
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time of the Gudrun saga is evidently that of the
Danish raids on the English and Irish coasts.
The subject is as old as the stories of Europa and
Helen, but it was essentially a story of the
seaside. Hence, though it was the more artistic,
it appealed less to popular taste, and was not
like the ''Nibelungenlied'' subjected to popular revision and extension. It had its origin, like the
other, in epic songs, but it had an original poet
for its author, and shows a constructive development by conscious plan. Thus it stands between
the true popular epic and the studied epic of the
Court. The best modern edition of the ''Gudrun''
is by Martin (Halle, 1902). There are translations into modern German by Simrock (1843);
Klee (1878); Weitbrecht (1884, a paraphrase);
L. Freytag (1888); Lemmermayer (1890); and
Legerlotz (1900). Consult Wilmanns, ''Die Entwickelung der Kudrundichtung'' (Halle, 1873).

&lt;section end=&quot;Gudrun&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebers&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBERS,''' {{NIE key|gē′bẽrz}} ''or'' {{NIE key|gā′bẽrz}}. See {{NIE article link|Ghebers}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guebers&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;'''GUÉBRIANT,''' {{NIE key|gā̇{{sm|′}}brē̇{{sm|′}}äɴ′}}, {{sc|Jean Baptiste Budes}}, Count de (1602–43). A French marshal,
born at Plessis-Budes, in Brittany. He fought
first in Holland, then held a command in the
French troops that formed a portion of the
German army in the campaign in the Lower
Palatinate, and conducted the passage of the
Rhine (1639). After the death of Duke Bernhard
of Saxe-Weimar, its leader (1639), the army
fought under the French banners with Guébriant
in command. He defeated the Imperial troops
at Wolfenbüttel (1641), and at Kempen (1642),
where he was made marshal. At the siege of
Rottweil, in Swabia, he was mortally wounded
and died in the surrendered city (1643).

&lt;section end=&quot;Guébriant, Jean Baptiste Budes, Count de&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;'''GUEBWILLER,''' {{NIE key|gā̇b{{sm|′}}vē̇{{sm|′}}lâr′}}. A town in Upper
Alsace, Germany. See {{NIE article link|Gebweiler}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guebwiller&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelder Rose&quot; /&gt;'''GUELDER,''' {{NIE key|gĕl′dẽr}}, or '''GUELDRES ROSE'''
(from ''Gelderland'', ''Gelderen'', a Dutch province
where this rose was supposed to have originated).
A cultivated variety of the high-bush cranberry
(''Viburnum Opulus''—see {{NIE article link|Viburnum}}), in which the
flowers are all barren, and instead of forming flat
cymes, as in the wild plant, form much larger
globose corymbs. It is sometimes called the
snowball tree. When abounding in flowers, it is
a very ornamental shrub, and is therefore very
often planted.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelder Rose&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Güell y Renté, Juan&quot; /&gt;'''GÜELL Y RENTÉ,''' {{NIE key|go͞o-ā̇l′y’ē̇ rãn-tā′}}, {{sc|Juan}}
(1815–75). A Cuban author, born and educated
in Havana. When twenty years old he went to
Spain and enlisted in the army, where he served
for a number of years. When he returned to
Cuba he was for several terms sent as a representative of the island in the Spanish Cortes.
He published a volume of poems, ''Hojas del alma''
(1844); ''Ultimos cantos'' (1859); and ''Noches de estío'' (1861).—His brother {{sc|José}} (1818–84)
was born in Havana, and was sent to Barcelona
to be educated. After several years spent in
practicing law in Cuba, he returned to Spain in
1848, and married Doña Josefa Fernanda, the
sister of the King consort, in spite of royal opposition. This resulted in his banishment, and
for several years he lived in Paris, where he was
active in the liberal and republican conspiracies
in connection with Spain. He published ''Amarguras del corazón'' (1843); ''Lágrimas del corazón''
(1846); and ''Leyendas americanas'' (1856), all
poetry in Spanish, several novels in French, and
an historical work, ''Philippe II. et Don Carlos devant l’histoire'' (1878).

&lt;section end=&quot;Güell y Renté, Juan&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlf}}. The chief city of Wellington County, Ontario, Can., on the river Speed
and the Grand Trunk and the Canadian Pacific
railways, 48 miles west of Toronto ({{NIE lkpl|Ontario#Map of Ontario|Map: Ontario}}, C&amp;nbsp;4). It is an inland port of entry, the
seat of a United States consul; has abundant
water-power, and a large number of piano, organ,
sewing-machine, agricultural implements, carriage,
and other factories. It is a stock-raising centre,
and is the seat of the ‘Canadian Cirencester,’ the
Ontario Agricultural College, and its experimental farm. Guelph was founded by {{NIE lkpl|Galt, John| John Galt}},
the Scotch author (q.v.). Population, in 1891,
10,537; in 1901, 11,496.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPH FUND.''' The name given to the
sum granted by the Prussian Government, in
1867, to the deposed King of Hanover, George V.,
but withdrawn in 1868, on the latter’s continued
refusal to renounce his right to the throne. It
amounted to about $12,000,000, and the income
of it was kept by Prussia till 1879, when part
of it was given to the widow and daughters of
the King. The Duke of Cumberland, son of
George V., acquired the entire income in 1892,
on renouncing explicitly any intention of intriguing against Prussia. While Prussia administered
the fund the income was said to have been used
in combating the Guelph intrigues; and the suspicion that Bismarck employed it for corrupt
purposes, such as bribing the press, won for it
the nickname of the ‘Reptile Fund.’

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelph Fund&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphic Order&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHIC''' ({{NIE key|gwĕl′fĭk}}) '''ORDER'''. An order
of knighthood for Hanover, instituted by George
IV., when prince regent, on August 12, 1815. It
became extinct in 1866. It was both a military
and civil order, unlimited in membership, comprising five classes, Grand Cross, Commander of the
first and of the second class, knight, and simple
member. The grand mastership was vested in the
Crown of Hanover. The badge of the order was
an eight-pointed cross of gold, with lions between the arms and surmounted by a crown; in
the centre was the white horse of Hanover surrounded by a blue circle, and the motto, ''Nec Aspera Terrent''.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guelphic Order&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guelphs and Ghibellines&quot; /&gt;'''GUELPHS,''' {{NIE key|gwĕlfs}}, '''AND GHIBELLINES''',
{{NIE key|gĭb′ē̇-lĭnz}}. The names of two great political
parties, whose contentions and wars distracted
Northern and Central Italy in the latter part of
the Middle Ages. The designation Guelph (Ital.
''Guelfo'', pl. ''Guelfi''&amp;thinsp;) is commonly supposed to be
derived from Welf, the name of a princely
family of Germany, which rose to great power
in the twelfth century, when it was the rival of
the House of Hohenstaufen, which occupied the
Imperial throne. The most famous of the rulers
of the House of Guelph was Henry the Lion,
Duke of Saxony and Bavaria, who defied the
power of the Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, and
who was finally deprived of most of his possessions in 1180–81. The origin of the designation Ghibelline (Ital. ''Ghibellino'') is altogether
uncertain. A theory which has been widely accepted, but which rests on an insufficient basis,
is that it became current as a modification of
Waiblinger (‘men of Waiblinger.’ one of the
possessions of the Hohenstaufen in South Germany), the name, used as a battle-cry, under
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the Hohenstaufen emperors) are said to have
figured in the battle of Weinsberg, in which Welf
VI., uncle of Henry the Lion, was defeated in
1140. About the beginning of the thirteenth
century we find the names Ghibellines and
Guelphs in use in Italy. The former may, in general, be described as the upholders of the Imperial authority in Italy (or, at the beginning,
the supporters of the Hohenstaufen), the latter
as the opponents of the Emperors. The opposition to Imperial authority in Italy arose from
two distinct parties, which, for the most part,
made common cause with each other—from the
Church, which sought to assert its independence of the emperors, and from the principalities and city republics, which contended for
their provincial or municipal rights and liberties. The Guelphs may therefore, in a measure,
be said to have represented the National party.
Florence, Bologna, and Milan took, as a general
rule, the side of the Guelphs; while Pisa, Verona,
and Arezzo were Ghibelline. Florence, especially,
was the great stronghold of the Guelphs. The
great Italian families in like manner took opposite sides, but the policy of each family frequently varied. As a rule, the nobles of the
more northern districts of Italy inclined to the
Ghibelline side, while those of the central districts were Guelphs. By degrees, however, and
especially after the downfall of the preponderance of the German emperors in Italy, the contest ceased to be a strife of principles, and degenerated into a mere struggle of rival factions
availing themselves of the prestige of ancient
names and traditional or hereditary prejudices.
In 1334 Benedict XII. practically disallowed altogether the reality of the grounds of division
between the parties, by proscribing, under pain
of the censures of the Church, the further use
of those once-stirring names, which had long
been the rallying words of a sanguinary warfare. After the fourteenth century we read little more of Guelphs or Ghibellines as actually
existing parties. Consult: Browning, ''Guelphs and Ghibellines'' (London, 1893); Trollope, ''History of the Commonwealth of Florence'' (London, 1865); also the general works on mediæval
history referred to under {{NIE article link|Italy}} and {{NIE article link|Germany}}.
See {{NIE article link|Florence}}; {{NIE article link|Hohenstaufen}}; {{NIE article link|Italy}}.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Guemal&quot; /&gt;
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'''GUEMAL,''' {{NIE key|gā̇-mäl′}} (South American name).
Either of two species of small deer confined to
the Andes. They are distinguished from other
deer (as the subgenus Furcifer) by their antlers,
which have but a single forking, of which the
front prong is the longer and projects straight
forward, by the tusks in the upper jaws of
both sexes, and also by the uniform coloration
of the fawns. One species (''Cervus Chilensis'')
inhabits Southern Chile, and the other (''Cervus Antisiensis'') the highlands of Peru.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Güemez Pacheco de Padilla Horcasitas, Juan Vincente&quot; /&gt;'''GÜEMEZ PACHECO DE PADILLA HORCASITAS,''' {{NIE key|gwȧ′mā̇th pȧ-chākō̇ dā̇ pȧ-ᴅē′lyȧ ôr{{sm|′}}kȧ-sē′tȧs}}, {{sc|Juan Vicente}}, Conde de Revillagigedo (1740–99). A Spanish administrator, born
at Havana, Cuba. He won military distinction
in the Peninsular wars, and in 1789 was appointed Viceroy of Buenos Ayres. Soon afterwards he was transferred to the Viceroyalty of
Mexico, in which post he was continued until
1794. His administration was among the most
beneficent in the history of Spanish rule in
Mexico. Afterwards he was Director-General of
the Artillery of the Spanish Army.

&lt;section end=&quot;Güemez Pacheco de Padilla Horcasitas, Juan Vincente&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guendolen&quot; /&gt;'''GUENDOLEN,''' {{NIE key|gwĕn′dō̇-lĕn}}. Wife of Locrine
and daughter-in-law of the legendary King Brutus, according to Geoffrey of Monmouth’s ''Chronicles''. Through jealous rage, she drowned Sabrina, her husband’s illegitimate daughter, in
the river Severn.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guendolen&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guenon&quot; /&gt;'''GUENON,''' {{NIE key|g𝑒-nôɴ′}} (Fr., ape, monkey). A
term for a group of African monkeys, forming
the large genus Cercopithecus, and including the
malbrouak, vervet, grivet, green, patas, mona,
diana, and various other species, elsewhere mentioned. All are small, slender, arboreal in
habit, gregarious, strikingly colored, and so
hardy and docile in captivity that they furnish
the most familiar forms to menageries. They
are the servants of organ-grinders, and pets on
shipboard and in the house all over the world.
These are the monkeys best known by the ancients of Egypt, Greece, and Rome, and probably
were those designated by the Latin name ''Cebus'',
now applied to an American group alone. Anatomically they more closely resemble the langurs
than any other group.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guenon&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guercino&quot; /&gt;'''GUERCINO,''' {{NIE key|gwĕr-chē′nō̇}} (It., squint-eyed),
a nickname of {{sc|Giovanni Francesco Barbieri}}
(1591–1666). An Italian painter. He was born
at Cento, near Bologna, February 8, 1591, the
son of a peasant. There is a difference in opinion
as to his first masters at Cento and in Bologna,
but they were certainly of the Eclectic School,
and it is likely that he was influenced by the
works of {{NIE lkpl|Carracci|Lodovico Carracci}} (q.v.). His earliest
works, however, show the influence of {{NIE lkpl|Caravaggio|Caravaggio}} (q.v.), whose pictures he certainly saw, and are
marked by strong contrasts of light and shade
and by the naturalism of that master. In 1616
Guercino founded a popular school of painting at
Cento; in 1619 and 1620 he visited Ferrara at
Venice, and in 1621–23 he was at Rome. The influence of these travels is seen in the works of his
second period, which are his best. His designs became grander, his sense of color more refined,
and his heads more characteristic. To this period
belong the “Raising of Saint Petronella,” in the
museum of the Capitol at Rome; his fresco of
“Aurora,” in the Villa Ludovisi, Rome; and his
&quot;Saint William of Aquitaine Assuming the
Monk’s Garb,&quot; in the Gallery of Bologna. Upon
the death of his patron, Gregory XV., in 1623,
Guercino returned to Cento, where he made his
home until 1642. In 1619 he painted the frescoes

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figured in the battle of Weinsberg, in which Welf
VI., uncle of Henry the Lion, was defeated in
1140. About the beginning of the thirteenth
century we find the names Ghibellines and
Guelphs in use in Italy. The former may, in general, be described as the upholders of the Imperial authority in Italy (or, at the beginning,
the supporters of the Hohenstaufen), the latter
as the opponents of the Emperors. The opposition to Imperial authority in Italy arose from
two distinct parties, which, for the most part,
made common cause with each other—from the
Church, which sought to assert its independence of the emperors, and from the principalities and city republics, which contended for
their provincial or municipal rights and liberties. The Guelphs may therefore, in a measure,
be said to have represented the National party.
Florence, Bologna, and Milan took, as a general
rule, the side of the Guelphs; while Pisa, Verona,
and Arezzo were Ghibelline. Florence, especially,
was the great stronghold of the Guelphs. The
great Italian families in like manner took opposite sides, but the policy of each family frequently varied. As a rule, the nobles of the
more northern districts of Italy inclined to the
Ghibelline side, while those of the central districts were Guelphs. By degrees, however, and
especially after the downfall of the preponderance of the German emperors in Italy, the contest ceased to be a strife of principles, and degenerated into a mere struggle of rival factions
availing themselves of the prestige of ancient
names and traditional or hereditary prejudices.
In 1334 Benedict XII. practically disallowed altogether the reality of the grounds of division
between the parties, by proscribing, under pain
of the censures of the Church, the further use
of those once-stirring names, which had long
been the rallying words of a sanguinary warfare. After the fourteenth century we read little more of Guelphs or Ghibellines as actually
existing parties. Consult: Browning, ''Guelphs and Ghibellines'' (London, 1893); Trollope, ''History of the Commonwealth of Florence'' (London, 1865); also the general works on mediæval
history referred to under {{NIE article link|Italy}} and {{NIE article link|Germany}}.
See {{NIE article link|Florence}}; {{NIE article link|Hohenstaufen}}; {{NIE article link|Italy}}.

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'''GUEMAL,''' {{NIE key|gā̇-mäl′}} (South American name).
Either of two species of small deer confined to
the Andes. They are distinguished from other
deer (as the subgenus Furcifer) by their antlers,
which have but a single forking, of which the
front prong is the longer and projects straight
forward, by the tusks in the upper jaws of
both sexes, and also by the uniform coloration
of the fawns. One species (''Cervus Chilensis'')
inhabits Southern Chile, and the other (''Cervus Antisiensis'') the highlands of Peru.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guemal&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Güemez Pacheco de Padilla Horcasitas, Juan Vincente&quot; /&gt;'''GÜEMEZ PACHECO DE PADILLA HORCASITAS,''' {{NIE key|gwȧ′mā̇th pȧ-chākō̇ dā̇ pȧ-ᴅē′lyȧ ôr{{sm|′}}kȧ-sē′tȧs}}, {{sc|Juan Vicente}}, Conde de Revillagigedo (1740–99). A Spanish administrator, born
at Havana, Cuba. He won military distinction
in the Peninsular wars, and in 1789 was appointed Viceroy of Buenos Ayres. Soon afterwards he was transferred to the Viceroyalty of
Mexico, in which post he was continued until
1794. His administration was among the most
beneficent in the history of Spanish rule in
Mexico. Afterwards he was Director-General of
the Artillery of the Spanish Army.

&lt;section end=&quot;Güemez Pacheco de Padilla Horcasitas, Juan Vincente&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guendolen&quot; /&gt;'''GUENDOLEN,''' {{NIE key|gwĕn′dō̇-lĕn}}. Wife of Locrine
and daughter-in-law of the legendary King Brutus, according to Geoffrey of Monmouth’s ''Chronicles''. Through jealous rage, she drowned Sabrina, her husband’s illegitimate daughter, in
the river Severn.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guendolen&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guenon&quot; /&gt;'''GUENON,''' {{NIE key|g𝑒-nôɴ′}} (Fr., ape, monkey). A
term for a group of African monkeys, forming
the large genus Cercopithecus, and including the
malbrouak, vervet, grivet, green, patas, mona,
diana, and various other species, elsewhere mentioned. All are small, slender, arboreal in
habit, gregarious, strikingly colored, and so
hardy and docile in captivity that they furnish
the most familiar forms to menageries. They
are the servants of organ-grinders, and pets on
shipboard and in the house all over the world.
These are the monkeys best known by the ancients of Egypt, Greece, and Rome, and probably
were those designated by the Latin name ''Cebus'',
now applied to an American group alone. Anatomically they more closely resemble the langurs
than any other group.

&lt;section end=&quot;Guenon&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Guercino&quot; /&gt;'''GUERCINO,''' {{NIE key|gwĕr-chē′nō̇}} (It., squint-eyed),
a nickname of {{sc|Giovanni Francesco Barbieri}}
(1591–1666). An Italian painter. He was born
at Cento, near Bologna, February 8, 1591, the
son of a peasant. There is a difference in opinion
as to his first masters at Cento and in Bologna,
but they were certainly of the Eclectic School,
and it is likely that he was influenced by the
works of {{NIE lkpl|Carracci|Lodovico Carracci}} (q.v.). His earliest
works, however, show the influence of {{NIE lkpl|Caravaggio|Caravaggio}} (q.v.), whose pictures he certainly saw, and are
marked by strong contrasts of light and shade
and by the naturalism of that master. In 1616
Guercino founded a popular school of painting at
Cento; in 1619 and 1620 he visited Ferrara at
Venice, and in 1621–23 he was at Rome. The influence of these travels is seen in the works of his
second period, which are his best. His designs became grander, his sense of color more refined,
and his heads more characteristic. To this period
belong the “Raising of Saint Petronella,” in the
museum of the Capitol at Rome; his fresco of
“Aurora,” in the Villa Ludovisi, Rome; and his
&quot;Saint William of Aquitaine Assuming the
Monk’s Garb,&quot; in the Gallery of Bologna. Upon
the death of his patron, Gregory XV., in 1623,
Guercino returned to Cento, where he made his
home until 1642. In 1619 he painted the frescoes

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THE HAPSBURG FAMILY 
 
Ullitolpll I. (121S-91) 
Holy Bomau Emperor 1273-91 
I 
Albert I. (liied 1308) 
Germau Kiug 12»8-1308 
I 
I 
Rudolph III. (1281-1307) 
King o( Bohemia 1306-07 
I 
Kudulpli II. (died 1290) 
I 
Johu Parricida (died 1313) 
Frederick the Fair (1286-1330) 
German Kiug 1311-30 
Albert ir. (1298-13.'iS) 
Dulie of Cariiitliia 
I 
Rudolph IV. (1339-65) 
Frederick III. (1347-63) 
Albert III. (1349-95) 
I 
Leopold III. (1351-8G) 
I 
Albert IV. (1377-14Ui) 
I 
Albert (V.) II. (1397-1439) 
Holy Human Emperor 1438-39 
Laditilaus Postumus (1440-57) 
(1) Mar.T of Burgundy = 
Ernest the Iron (1377-1424) 
I 
Fredeviuk IV. (13S2-1439 
Frederick (V.) III. (1416-93) 
Uoly Roman Emperor 1440-93 
: Mnxiiiiilian T. (1459-1519)= (2) Maria Bianca Sforza. 
Hol.v R&lt;»man Emi)eror 1493-1519 
Albert VI. (1418-03) 
Joanna of Castile = Philip the Fair (1478-1506) 
I 
MarKaret (1480-1530) 
Stadtholder of Netherlands 1507-30 
Chnrles (I.) V. (1600-58) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1519-56 
Feriliiiaild I. (1503-64) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1556-64 
Philip II. (1527-98) Margaret of Parma (1522-86) 
King of Spain 1556-98 (illegitimate) 
I Stadtholder of Netherlands 1559-67 
I 
Don .Tohn of Austria (1547-78) 
(illegitimate) 
Don Carlos (1545-68) 
Pbilip III. (1575-1621) 
King of .Spain 1598-1621 
Mnxiiiiilinn II. (1527-76) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1564-76 
Charles of .Styria 
1.540-90 
I I I 
Anna Maria (1601-66) Philip IV. (1605-65) Maria Anna (1606-46) 
m. Louis XIII. of King of .Spain m. Emperor Ferdinand 
I-rance 1621-65 III. 
Ferdinand II. (1578-1637) 
Hol.v' Roman Emperor 1619-37 
Budolph II. (1552-1612) 
Holy Roman Emperor 
1576-1612 
Matthias I. (15.57-1619) 
Holy Roman Emperor 
1612-19 
Albert VII. (1.5.59-1621) 
Stadtliolder of the Nether- 
lands 1590-1621 
Maria Theresa (1638-83) 
m. Louis XIV, of France 
Margaret Theresa (1651-73) 
m. Emperor Leopold I. 
I 
Charles II. (1661-1700) Ferdinand III. (1608-57) 
King of Spain 1065-1700 Holy Roman Emperor 16.37-57 
(Spanish Hapsburg line I 
extinct) I 
FERniNAND IV. (1633-54) 
King of Bohemia and Hungary 
Leopold I. (1640-1705) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1658-1705 
I 
Charles IV. 
of Lorraine 
I 
Eleanor 
1653-97 
Maria Antonia (1669-92) = Maximilian 
I Elector of 
Bavaria 
Joseph Ferdinand (1692-99), 
Candidate for Spanish throne. 
(.See under Succession Wars, 
section on War of the Spanish 
Succession) 
.ToHeph I. (1678-1711) 
Holy Roman Emperor 
1705-11 
riiarles VI. (1685-1740) 
Holy Roman Emperor 
1711-40 
Leopold of Lorraine 
(1679-1729 
Maria Theresa (1717-80) = Francis I. Stephen (1708-65) 
Areliduclii-ss of .ustria. I Holy Roman Emperor 
Qui'eii (.( Hdlu'niia and 1745-65 
Hungary 174l)-80 1 
Joseph II. (1741-90) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1765-90 
I.,eopoia II. (1747-82) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1790-92 
Francis II. (1768-1835) 
Holy Roman Emperor 1792-1806 
Emperor of .Austria 1804-35 
I 
I 
Marie Louise (1791-1847) 
m. Napoleon I. (1810) 
1^ 
Ferdinand I. (1793-1875) 
Emperor of .ustria 1835-48 
Francis Charles (1802-78) 
I 
Francis Joseph I. (1830—) 
Emperor of Austria 1848 — 
Maximilian (183.3-67) 
Emperor of Mexico 1864-67 
Franz Ferdinand (1863—) 
Heir to the throne, but renounced 
right of succession for his children 
on marrying Countess Chotek in 
1900 
Otto (1865- 
I 
I 
Karl Ludwlg (1833-96) 
L 
I 
Ferdinand (1868—) 
Karl Franz Joseph (1887—) 
Gisela (1850—) 
m. Prince Leopold of 
Bavaria 
Rudolph (18.58-89) &quot;Stephanie, daughter of 
I Leopold II. of Belgium 
Elizabeth (1883—) 
I 
Maximilian Eugen 
Ludivig (1895—) 
Marie Valerie (1868—) 
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MILLER 
cusses the Biblical bearings of geology. He 
toiled upon this task night and day, with little 
sleep or exercise, until, after a week or two of 
cerebral disorder, he himself became conscious 
that his mind was on the verge of ruin. He 
felt occasionally as if a very fine poignard had 
been suddenly passed through and through his 
brain, and in some of his paroxysms his face 
was a picture of horror before which even his 
wife shrank in dismay. He was found lifeless 
in his study, his chest pierced with the ball of 
a revolver which was found lying close by. 
In a pathetic note left for his wife he had 
written : &quot; A fearful dream rises upon me. I 
cannot bear the horrible thought.&quot; His prin- 
cipal works have been republished in America. 
See &quot;The Life and Times of Hugh Miller,&quot; 
by Thomas N. Brown (republished, New York, 
1860), and &quot;Life and Letters of Hugh Miller,&quot; 
by Peter Bayne (2 vols., 1871). 
MILLER, James, an American general, born 
in Peterborough, N. H., April 25, 1776, died 
in Temple, N. H., July 7, 1851. He was edu- 
cated for the bar, but in 1808 entered the 
army as major. In May, 1813, he participated 
in the capture of Fort George. As colonel of 
the 21st infantry he fought with gallantry at 
Chippewa and Lundy's Lane. The success of 
the Americans in the latter conflict was mainly 
due to the capture of a British battery by his 
command. In reply to Gen. Scott's inquiry if 
he could take the battery, he said, &quot;I'll try, 
sir.&quot; For these services he was brevetted 
brigadier general, and received from congress 
a gold medal. He was governor of Arkansas 
territory from 1819 to 1825, and collector of 
customs at Salem, Mass., from 1825 to 1849. 
MILLER, James, a Scottish surgeon, born in 
1812, died June 17, 1864. He was professor 
of surgery in the university of Edinburgh for 
more than 20 years, and at the time of his 
death of pictorial anatomy to the royal acad- 
emy and consulting surgeon to the royal in- 
firmary of Edinburgh and the royal hospital 
for sick children. He is especially noted for 
his systematic treatise on the &quot; Principles and 
Practice of Surgery&quot; (Edinburgh, 1844), which 
passed through four editions and is highly es- 
teemed. 
MILLER, Joaqoin, an American poet, whose 
real name is Cincinnatus Hmer Miller, born in 
Indiana, Nov. 10, 1841. When he was about 
11 years old his father emigrated to Lane 
county, Oregon, whence the boy went three 
years later to try his fortune in California. 
He wrote verses even then, although he knew 
nothing of the laws of versification nor of the 
rules of grammar. After a wandering life of 
several years, he returned home in 1860, and 
entered a lawyer's office in Eugene, Oregon. 
The next year he was an express messenger in 
the gold-mining districts of Idaho, which he 
left to take charge of the &quot;Democratic Re- 
gister,&quot; a weekly newspaper in Eugene. This 
was suppressed for its political sentiments du- 
ring the war, and in 1863 he opened a law 
office in Canon City, Oregon. From 1866 to 
1870 he served as county judge of Grant 
county, and during this time began to write 
his poems. He published first a collection in 
paper covers called &quot; Specimens,&quot; and next a 
volume with the title &quot;Joaquin et aZ.,&quot; from 
which he derived his pseudonyme. In 1870 
his wife, whom he had married in 1863, ob- 
tained a divorce, and he went to London, where 
he published in the following year his &quot;Songs 
of the Sierras.&quot; In 1872 appeared &quot; Songs of 
the Sun Lands,&quot; and in 1873 a prose volume 
entitled &quot;Life among the Modocs: Unwritten 
History.&quot; His wife, MINNIE THERESA (DYER) 
MILLER, has also published verses, under the 
pseudonyme of &quot;Minnie Myrtle.&quot; 
MILLER, Joseph, an English actor, born prob- 
ably in London in 1684, died there in 1738. 
He was popular on the stage, and performed 
with repute in several of Congreve's best com- 
edies, particularly in &quot;Love for Love&quot; and 
&quot;The Old Bachelor,&quot; to the success of which 
he is said to have materially contributed. 
In 1739 a book of jests passing under his 
name, and supposed to be the compilation 
of John Mottley, author of a life of Peter 
the Great, was published in London, and has 
gained a celebrity which preserves the name 
of its assumed author. 
MILLER, Samuel, an American clergyman, 
born near Dover, Del., Oct. 31, 1769, died in 
Princeton, N. J., Jan. 7, 1850. He gradua- 
ted at the university of Pennsylvania in 1789 
(from which he received the degree of D. D. in 
1804), studied theology, was licensed to preach 
in 1791, and in June, 1793, was installed as 
colleague pastor with Drs. Rodgers and Mc- 
Knight of the first Presbyterian church in 
New York city. In 1813 he became professor 
of ecclesiastical history and church govern- 
ment in the theological seminary at Prince- 
ton, and discharged the duties of this office till 
May, 1849, when he resigned. Dr. Miller was 
a devoted friend of the Presbyterian church, 
and enlisted vigorously in the controversy 
which resulted in its division. He was the 
author of &quot;A Brief Retrospect of the Eigh- 
teenth Century&quot; (2 vols., New York, 1803; 3 
vols., London, 1805); &quot;Letters on the Consti- 
tution and Order of the Christian Ministry &quot; 
(1807), with a &quot; Continuation &quot; (1809) ; &quot;Me- 
moirs of the Rev. John Rodgers, D. D.&quot; (1813) ; 
&quot;Letters on Unitarianism &quot; (Trenton, 1821); 
&quot;Letters on Clerical Manners and Habits&quot; 
(Philadelphia, 1827) ; &quot;An Essay on the Office 
of Ruling Elder&quot; (New York, 1831); &quot;Letters 
to Presbyterians&quot; (1833); &quot;Discourses on In- 
fant Baptism&quot; (1834); &quot; Presbyterianism the 
truly Primitive and Apostolical Constitution 
of the Church of Christ&quot; (Philadelphia, 1835) ; 
&quot; The Primitive and Apostolic Order of Christ 
vindicated&quot; (1840); &quot;Letters from a Father 
to his Sons in College &quot; (1843) ; &quot; A Sermon 
on the Ruling Eldership, with an Appendix &quot; 
(1843); and &quot;Thoughts on Public Prayer&quot; 
(1849). He also wrote the &quot;Life of Jonathan&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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==Works==
===Orations===
* &quot;[[Canada (Riddell 1909)|Canada]]&quot; (1909) {{ssl|Canada.pdf}}

===Nonfiction===
* ''William Kirby'' (1923) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/williamkirby0000ridd}}
* ''John Richardson'' (1923) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/johnrichardson00ridduoft}}


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How to begin, then know how to have donne.
For everie gift, and everie goodly meed,
Which she on me bestowd, demaunds a day;
And everie day, in which she did a deed,
Demaunds a veare it duly to display.{{r|595}}
Her words were like a streame of bonny fleeting,
The which doth softly trickle from the hive:
Hable to melt the hearers heart unweeting,
And eke to make the dead againe alive.
Her deeds were like great clusters of ripe grapes,{{r|600}}
Which load the bunches of the fruitfull vine;
Offring to fall into each mouth that gapes,
And fill the same with store of timely wine.
Her lookes were like beames of the morning sun,
Forth looking through the windowes of the east,{{r|605}}
When first the fleecie cattell have begun
Upon the perled grasse to make their feast.
Her thoughts are like the fume of franckincence,
Which from a golden censer forth doth rise,
And throwing forth sweet odours mounts fro thence{{r|610}}
In rolling globes up to the vaulted skies.
There she beholds, with high aspiring thought,
The cradle of her owne creation,
Emongst the seats of angels heavenly wrought,
Much like an angell in all forme and fashion.”{{r|615}}
:“Colin, (said Cuddy then) thou hast forgot
Thy selfe, me seemes, too much, to mount so hie:
Such loftie flight base shepheard seemeth not,
From flocks and fields, to angels and to skie.”
:“True (answered he) but her great excellence,{{r|620}}
Lifts me above the measure of my might
That being fild with furious insolence,
I feele my selfe like one yrapt in spright
For when I thinke of her, as oft I ought,
Then want I words to speake it fitly forth{{r|625}}
And, when I speake of her what I have thought,
I cannot thinke according to her worth.
Yet will I thinke of her, yet will I speake,
So long as life my limbs doth hold together,
And, when as death these vitall bands shall breake,{{r|630}}
Her name recorded I will leave for ever.
Her name in every tree I will endosse,
That, as the trees do grow, her name may grow:
And in the ground each where will it engrosse,
And fill with stones, that all men may it know.{{r|635}}
The speaking woods, and murmuring waters fall,
Her name He teach in knowen termes to frame:
And eke my lambs, when for their dams they call,
He leach to call for Cynthia by name.
And, long while after I am dead and rotten,{{r|640}}
Amongst the shepheards daughters dancing rownd,
My layes made of her shall not be forgotten,
But sung by them with flowry gyrlonds crownd.
And ye, who so ye he, that shall survive,
When as ye her memory renewed,{{r|645}}
Be witnesse of her bountie here alive,
Which she to Colin her poore shepheard shewed.”
:Much was the whole assembly of those heards
Moov’d at his speech, so feelingly he spake:
And stood awhile astonisht at his words,{{r|650}}
Till Thestylis at last their silence brake,
Saying: “Why Colin, since thou foundst such grace
With Cynthia and all her noble crew;
Why didst thou ever leave that happie place,
In which such wealth might unto thee accrew;{{r|655}}
And back returnedst to this baraein soyle,
Where cold and care and penury do dwell,
Here to keep sheepe, with hunger and with toyle?
Most wretched he, that is and cannot tell.”
:“Happie indeed (said Colin) I him hold,{{r|660}}
That may that blessed presence still enioy,
Of fortune and of envy uncomptrold,
Which still are wont most happie states t’ annoy:
But I, by that which little while I prooved,
Some part of those enormities did see,{{r|665}}
The which in court continually hooved,
And followd those which happie seemd to bee.
Therefore I, silly man, whose former dayes
Had in rude fields bene altogether spent,
Durst not adventure such unknowen wayes,{{r|670}}
Nor trust the guile of fortunes blandishment;
But rather chose back to my sheep to tonrne,
Whose utmost hardnesse I before had tryde,
Then, having learnd repentance late, to mourne
Emongst those wretches which I there descryde.”{{r|675}}
:“Shepheard, (said Thestylis) it seems of spight
Thou speakest thus gainst their felicitie,
Which thou envíest, rather then of right
That ought in them blameworthie thou doest spie.”
:“Cause have I none (quoth he) of cancred will{{r|680}}
To quite them ill, that me demeand so well:
But selfe-regard of private good or ill
Moves me of each, so as I found, to tell
And eke to warne yong shepheards wandring wit,
Which, through report of that lives painted blisse,{{r|685}}
Abandon quiet home to seeke for it,
And leave their lambes to losse misled amisse.
For, sooth to say, it is no sort of life,
For shepheard fit to lead in that same place,
Where each one seeks with malice, and with strife,{{r|690}}
To thrust downe other into foule disgrace,
Himselfe to raise: and he doth soonest rise
That best can handle his deceitfull wit
In subtil shifts, and finest sleights devise,
Either by slaundring his well-deemed name,{{r|695}}
Through leasings lewd, and fained forgerie;
Or else by breeding him some blot of blame,
By creeping close into his secrecie;
To which him needs a guilefull hollow hart,
Masked with faire dissembling curtesie,{{r|700}}
A filed toung, furnisht with tearmes of art,
No art of schoole, but courtiers schoolery.
For arts of schoole have there small countenance,
Counted but toyes to busie ydle braines;
And there professours find small maintenance,{{r|705}}
But to be instruments of others gaines.
Ne is there place for any gentle wit,
Unlesse, to please, it selfe it can applie;
But shouldred is, or out of doore quite shyt,
As base, or blunt, unmeet for melodie.{{r|710}}
For each mans worth is measured by his weed,
As harts by hornes, or asses by their eares:
Yet asses been not all whose eares exceed,
Nor yet all harts that homes the highest beares.
For highest lookes have not the highest mynd,{{r|715}}
Nor haughtie words most full of highest thoughts
But are like bladders blowen up with wynd,
That being prickt do vanish into noughts.
Even such is all their vaunted vanitie,
Nought else but smoke, that fumeth soone away;{{r|720}}
Such is their glorie that in simple eie
Seeme greatest, when their garments are most gay.
So they themselves for praise of fooles do sell.
And all their wealth for painting on a wall;
With price whereof they buy a golden bell.{{r|725}}
And purchase highest rowmes in bowre and hall:
Whiles single Truth and simple Honestie
Do wander up and downe despys’d of all;
Their plaine attire such glorious gallantry
Disdaines so much, that none them in doth call.”{{r|730}}&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rh||''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|41}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;own weapon.&lt;ref&gt;Epist. ad Magn.&lt;/ref&gt; Moreover, the Church herself not only urges, but even commands, Christian teachers to seek help from philosophy. For, the fifth Lateran Council, after it had decided that &quot;every assertion contrary to the truth of revealed faith is altogether false, for the reason that it contradicts, however slightly, the truth,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Bulla Apostolici regiminis.&lt;/ref&gt; advises teachers of philosophy to pay close attention to the exposition of fallacious arguments; since, as Augustine testifies, &quot;if reason is turned against the authority of sacred Scripture, no matter how specious it may seem, it errs in the likeness of truth; for true it cannot be.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Epist. 143 (al. 7), ad. Marcellin., n. 7.&lt;/ref&gt;

But in order that philosophy may be bound equal to the gathering of those precious fruits which we have indicated, it behooves it above all things never to turn aside from that path which the Fathers have entered upon from a venerable antiquity, and which the Vatican Council solemnly and authoritatively approved. As it is evident that very many truths of the supernatural order which are far beyond the reach of the keenest intellect must be accepted, human reason, conscious of its own infirmity, dare not affect to itself too great powers, nor deny those truths, nor measure them by its own standard, nor interpret them at will; but receive them, rather, with a full and humble faith, and esteem it the highest honor to be allowed to wait upon heavenly doctrines like a handmaid and attendant, and by God's goodness attain to them in any way whatsoever. But in the case of such doctrines as the human intelligence may perceive, it is equally just that philosophy should make use of its own method, principles, and arguments—not, indeed, in such fashion as to seem rashly to withdraw from the divine authority. But, since it is established that those things which become known by revelation have the force of certain truth, and that those things which war against faith war equally against right reason,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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We know that there are some who, in their overestimate of the human faculties, maintain that as soon as man's intellect becomes subject to divine authority it falls from its native dignity, and, hampered by the yoke of this species of slavery, is much retarded and hindered in its progress toward the supreme truth and excellence. Such an idea is most false and deceptive, and its sole tendency is to induce foolish and ungrateful men wilfully to repudiate the most sublime truths, and reject the divine gift of faith, from which the fountains of all good things flow out upon civil society. For the human mind, being confined within certain limits, and those narrow enough, is exposed to many errors and is ignorant of many things; whereas the Christian faith, reposing on the authority of God, is the unfailing mistress of truth, whom whoso followeth he will be neither enmeshed in the snares of error nor tossed hither and thither on the waves of fluctuating opinion. Those, therefore, who to the study of philosophy unite obedience to the Christian faith, are philosophizing in the best possible way; for the splendor of the divine truths, received into the mind, helps the understanding, and not only detracts in nowise from its dignity, but adds greatly to its nobility, keenness, and stability. For surely that is a worthy and most useful exercise of reason when men give their minds to disproving those things which are repugnant to faith and proving the things which conform to faith. In the first case they cut the ground from under the feet of error and expose the viciousness of the arguments on which error rests; while in the second case they make themselves masters of weighty reasons for the sound demonstration of truth and the satisfactory instruction of any reasonable person. Whoever denies that such study and practice tend to add to&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rh||''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|43}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;the resources and expand the faculties of the mind must necessarily and absurdly hold that the mind gains nothing from discriminating between the true and the false. Justly, therefore, does the Vatican Council commemorate in these words the great benefits which faith has conferred upon reason: ''Faith frees and saves reason from error, and endows it with manifold knowledge.''&lt;ref&gt;Const. dogm. de Fid. Cath., cap. 4.&lt;/ref&gt; A wise man, therefore, would not accuse faith and look upon it as opposed to reason and natural truths, but would rather offer heartfelt thanks to God, and sincerely rejoice that, in the density of ignorance and in the flood-tide of error, holy faith, like a friendly star, shines down upon his path and points out to him the fair gate of truth beyond all danger of wandering.

If, Venerable Brethren, you open the history of philosophy, you will find all We have just said proved by experience. The philosophers of old who lacked the gift of faith, yet were esteemed so wise, fell into many appalling errors. You know how often among some truths they taught false and incongruous things; what vague and doubtful opinions they held concerning the nature of the Divinity, the first origin of things, the government of the world, the divine knowledge of the future, the cause and principle of evil, the ultimate end of man, the eternal beatitude, concerning virtue and vice, and other matters, a true and certain knowledge of which is most necessary to the human race; while, on the other hand, the early Fathers and Doctors of the Church, who well understood that, according to the divine plan, the restorer of human science is Christ, who is the power and the wisdom of God,&lt;ref&gt;1 Cor. i. 24.&lt;/ref&gt; and in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge,&lt;ref&gt;Coloss. ii. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; took up and investigated the books of the ancient philosophers, and compared their teachings with the doctrines of revelation, and, carefully sifting them, they cherished what was true and wise in them and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{rh|44|''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;amended or rejected all else. For, as the all-seeing God against the cruelty of tyrants raised up mighty martyrs to the defense of the Church, men prodigal of their great lives, in like manner to false philosophers and heretics he opposed men of great wisdom, to defend, even by the aid of human reason, the treasure of revealed truths. Thus, from the very first ages of the Church, the Catholic doctrine has encountered a multitude of most bitter adversaries, who, deriding the Christian dogmas and institutions, maintained that there were many gods, that the material world never had a beginning or cause, and that the course of events was one of blind and fatal necessity, not regulated by the will of Divine Providence.

But the learned men whom We call apologists speedily encountered these teachers of foolish doctrine and, under the guidance of faith, found arguments in human wisdom also to prove that one God, who stands pre-eminent in every kind of perfection, is to be worshiped; that all things were created from nothing by His omnipotent power; that by His wisdom they flourish and serve each their own special purposes. Among these St. Justin Martyr claims the chief place. After having tried the most celebrated academies of the Greeks, he saw clearly, as he himself confesses, that he could only draw truths in their fullness from the doctrine of revelation. These he embraced with all the ardor of his soul, purged of calumny, courageously and fully defended before the Roman emperors, and reconciled with them not a few of the sayings of the Greek philosophers.

Quadratus, also, and Aristides, Hermias, and Athenagoras stood nobly forth in that time. Nor did Irenæus, the invincible martyr and Bishop of Lyons, win less glory in the same cause when, forcibly refuting the perverse opinions of the Orientals, the work of the Gnostics, scattered broadcast over the territories of the Roman Empire, he explained (according to Jerome) the origin of each&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{rh||''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|45}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;heresy and in what philosophic source it took its rise.&lt;ref&gt;Epist. ad Magn.&lt;/ref&gt; But who knows not the disputations of Clement of Alexandria, which the same Jerome thus honorably commemorates: &quot;What is there in them that is not learned, and what that is not of the very heart of philosophy?&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Loc. cit.&lt;/ref&gt; He himself, indeed, with marvellous versatility treated of many things of the greatest utility for preparing a history of philosophy, for the exercise of the dialectic art, and for showing the agreement between reason and faith. After him came Origen, who graced the chair of the school of Alexandria, and was most learned in the teachings of the Greeks and Orientals. He published many volumes, involving great labor, which were wonderfully adapted to explain the divine writings and illustrate the sacred dogmas; which, though, as they now stand, not altogether free from error, contain nevertheless a wealth of knowledge tending to the growth and advance of natural truths. Tertullian opposes heretics with the authority of the sacred writings; with the philosophers he changes his fence and disputes philosophically; but so learnedly and accurately did he confute them that he made bold to say: &quot;Neither in science nor in schooling are we equals, as you imagine.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Apologet., § 46.&lt;/ref&gt; Arnobius, also, in his works against the pagans, and Lactantius in the divine ''Institutions'' especially, with equal eloquence and strength strenuously strive to move men to accept the dogmas and precepts of Catholic wisdom, not by philosophic juggling, after the fashion of the academicians,&lt;ref&gt;Inst. vii. cap. 7.&lt;/ref&gt; but vanquishing them partly by their own arms, and partly by arguments drawn from the mutual contentions of the philosophers.&lt;ref&gt;De opif. Dei, cap. 21.&lt;/ref&gt; But the writings on the human soul, the divine attributes, and other questions of mighty moment which the great Athanasius and Chrysostom, the prince of orators, have left behind them are, by common consent, so supremely excellent that it seems scarcely anything could be added&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{rh|46|''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;to their subtlety and fulness. And, not to cover too wide a range, we add to the number of the great men of whom mention has been made the names of Basil the Great and of the two Gregories, who, on going forth from Athens, that home of all learning, thoroughly equipped with all the harness of philosophy, turned the wealth of knowledge which each had gathered up in a course of zealous study to the work of refuting heretics and preparing Christians.

But Augustine would seem to have wrested the palm from all. Of a most powerful genius and thoroughly saturated with sacred and profane learning, with the loftiest faith and with equal knowledge, he combated most vigorously all the errors of his age. What height of philosophy did he not reach? What region of it did he not diligently explore, either in expounding the loftiest mysteries of the faith to the faithful, or defending them against the full onslaught of adversaries, or again when, in demolishing the fables of the academicians or the Manichæans, he laid the safe foundations and sure structure of human science, or followed up the reason, origin, and causes of the evils that afflict man? How subtly he reasoned on the angels, the soul, the human mind, the will and free choice, on religion and the life of the blessed, on time and eternity, and even on the very nature of changeable bodies. Afterwards, in the East, John Damascene, treading in the footsteps of Basil and of Gregory of Nazianzen, and in the West, Boëthius and Anselm following the doctrines of Augustine, added largely to the patrimony of philosophy.

Later on, the doctors of the middle ages, who are called scholastics, addressed themselves to a great work—that of diligently collecting, and sifting, and storing up, as it were, in one place, for the use and convenience of posterity the rich and fertile harvests of Christian learning scattered abroad in the voluminous works of the holy Fathers. And with regard, Venerable Brethren, to the origin, drift, and excellence of this scholastic learning, it may be well&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{rh||''THE STUDY OF SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.''|47}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;here to speak more fully in the words of one of the wisest of Our predecessors, Sixtus V: &quot;By the divine favor of Him who alone gives the spirit of science, and wisdom, and understanding, and who through all ages, as there may be need, enriches His Church  with new blessings and strengthens it with new safeguards, there was founded by Our fathers, men of eminent wisdom, the scholastic theology, which two glorious doctors in particular angelic St. Thomas and the seraphic St. Bonaventure, illustrious teachers of this faculty, … with surpassing genius, by unwearied diligence, and at the cost of long labors and vigils, set in order and beautified, and, when skilfuly arranged and clearly explained in a variety of ways, handed down to posterity.

&quot;And, indeed, the knowledge and use of so salutary a science, which flows from the fertilizing founts of the sacred writings, the sovereign Pontiffs, the holy Fathers and the councils, must always be of the greatest assistance to the Church, whether with the view of really and soundly understanding and interpreting the Scriptures, or more safely and to better purpose reading and explaining the Fathers, or for exposing and refuting the various errors and heresies; and in these late days, when those dangerous times described by the apostle are already upon us, when the blasphemers, the proud, and the seducers go from bad to worse, erring themselves and causing others to err, there is surely a very great need of confirming the dogmas of Catholic faith and confuting heresies.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Bulla Triumphantis, an. 1588.&lt;/ref&gt;

Although these words seem to bear reference solely to scholastic theology, nevertheless they may plainly be accepted as equally true of philosophy and its praises. For, the noble endowments which make the Scholastic theology so formidable to the enemies of truth—to wit, as the same pontiff adds, &quot;that ready and close coherence of cause and effect, that order and array as of a disciplined&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{larger|''To Signora Cuzzoni.''}}

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{{ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{di|W}}{{uc|hen}} avarices enslaves the mind,
And selfish views alone bear sway,
Man turns a savage to his kind.
:And blood and rapine mark his way,
::Alas for this poor simple toy,
::I sold a blooming Negro Boy!

His father's hope, his mother's pride,
:Tho' black yet comely to the view,
I tore him, helpless from their side,
:And gave him to a ruffian crew!—
::To fiends that Africas coast annoy,
::I sold the blooming Negro Boy!

From country, friends, and parents torn!
:His tender limbs in chains confin'd!
I saw him o'er the billows borne.
:And mark'd his agony of mind!
::But still to gain this simple toy,
::I gave away the Negro Boy!

In ifles that deck the western wave,
:I doom'd the hapless youth to dwell
A poor forlorn, insulted slave!
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:His tender limbs in chains confin'd!
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:And mark'd his agony of mind!
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I tore him, helpless from their side,
:And gave him to a ruffian crew!—
::To fiends that Afric's coast annoy,
::I sold the blooming Negro Boy!

From country, friends, and parents torn!
:His tender limbs in chains confin'd!
I saw him o'er the billows borne
:And mark'd his agony of mind!
::But still to gain this simple toy,
::I gave away the Negro Boy!

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:I doom'd the hapless youth to dwell
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:He wears away his youthful prime!
Far distant from his native land,
:A stranger in a foreign clime!
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::A poor dejected Negro Boy!

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:Whose voice in thunders heard on high!
Who doth the raging tempest bind!
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:A stranger in a foreign clime!
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In the yard while the cattle are fodder'd with straw
:and send forth their breath like a stream!
And neat looking dairy maid sees she must thaw
:fleaks of ice, which she finds in her cream:
When the sweet country maiden, as fresh as the rose
:as she carelessly trips often slides,
And the rustics loud laugh, if by falling she shews:
:all the charms that her modesty hides;

When the birds to the barn door hover for food.
:as with silence they rest on the spray:
And the poor tired hare in vain seeks the wood,
:lest her footsteps her cause should betray,
When the lads and the lasses, in company join'd,
:in a croud round the embers are met,}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{block center/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Talk of fairies and witches that ride in the wind.
:and of Ghosts, till their all in a sweat:

Heav'n grant in this season it may be my lot,
:with the nymph whom I love and admire,
Whilst the icicles hang from the eves of my cot
:I may thither in safety retire.
Where in neatness and quiet, and free from surprise
:we me live and no hardships endure,
Nor feel any turbulent pasions arise,
:but such as each other may cure.}}
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{{c|{{sp|JOHNNY COUP.}}}}

{{ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{di|C}}{{uc|oup}} sent a letter frae Dunbar,
Charlie meet me an ye dare,
And I'll learn you the art of war.
If you'll meet wi' me in the morning.

:Hey Johnny Coup are ye waking yet,
:Or are your drums a-beating yet,
:If ye were waking I wou'd wait,
:To gang to the coals i' the morning.}}&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{block center/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Talk of fairies and witches that ride in the wind.
:and of Ghosts, till their all in a sweat:

Heav'n grant in this season it may be my lot,
:with the nymph whom I love and admire,
Whilst the icicles hang from the eves of my cot
:I may thither in safety retire.
Where in neatness and quiet, and free from surprise
:we me live and no hardships endure,
Nor feel any turbulent pasions arise,
:but such as each other may cure.}}
{{dhr}}
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{{c|{{sp|JOHNNY COUP.}}}}

{{ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{di|C}}{{uc|oup}} sent a letter frae Dunbar,
Charlie meet me an ye dare,
And I'll learn you the art of war.
If you'll meet wi' me in the morning.

:Hey Johnny Coup are ye waking yet,
:Or are your drums a-beating yet,
:If ye were waking I wou'd wait,
:To gang to the coals i' the morning.}}&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{block center/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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He drew his sword the scabbard from
Come follow me my merry merry men,
And we'll meet Johnny Coup i' the morning.
::Hey Johnny Coup are yon waking yet, &amp;c.

::Now Johny be as good as your word,
Come let us try both fire and sword.
And dinna rin awa like a frighted bird,
That's chac'd fraeits nest i' the morning.
Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

::When Johnny Coup he heard of this,
He though it wadna be amiss
To ha e a horse in readiness.
To flee awa' i the morning.
::Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.
::By now Johnny ge up and rin,
The Highland bag pipes makes a din,
It's best to sleep in a hale skin,
For twill be a bluddie morning.
:Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

::When Johnny Coup to Dunbar came,
They speer'd at him where's a' your men?
The never a bit do men,
For I left them a' i' the morning,
::Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

:Now, Johnny, troth ye was nae blate,
To come wi' the news of your ain defeat,}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="1005" sha1="fgsc9mc2vtago8ywsuspci5fgjkopsn" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;4&quot; user=&quot;Ercarlton&quot; /&gt;{{c|6}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{ppoem|start=stanza|end=follow|{{em}}When Charlie look'd the letter upon,
He drew his sword the scabbard from
Come follow me my merry merry men,
And we'll meet Johnny Coup i' the morning.
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup are yon waking yet, &amp;c.

{{em}}Now Johny be as good as your word,
Come let us try both fire and sword.
And dinna rin awa like a frighted bird,
That's chac'd fraeits nest i' the morning.
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

{{em}}When Johnny Coup he heard of this,
He though it wadna be amiss
To ha e a horse in readiness.
To flee awa' i the morning.
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

{{em}}By now Johnny ge up and rin,
The Highland bag pipes makes a din,
It's best to sleep in a hale skin,
For twill be a bluddie morning.
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

{{em}}When Johnny Coup to Dunbar came,
They speer'd at him where's a' your men?
The never a bit do men,
For I left them a' i' the morning,
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

{{em}}Now, Johnny, troth ye was nae blate,
To come wi' the news of your ain defeat,}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}So early in the morning.
{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup, &amp;c.

{{em}}Alas! quoh Johnny, I got a fleg,
Wi' them claymores and philabegs,
If I face them again I'll break my legs;
So I wish you a good morning.

{{em}}Hey Johnny Coup are ye waking yet,
{{em}}Or are your drums a-beating yet,
{{em}}If ye were waking I wou'd wait,
{{em}}To gang to the coals i' the morning.}}
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{{c|VULCAN'S CUP.}}

{{ppoem|start=open|end=follow|{{di|V}}{{uc|ulcan}}, contrive me such a cup
as Nestor us d of old;
Try all your art to trim it up,
{{em}}and Damask it round with gold.

Carve me thereon the mantling vine,
{{em}}and eke two lovely boys;
Whose limbs in amorous folds intwine,
{{em}}the type of future joys.

Make it so large, when filled with sack,
{{em}}up to the swelling brim;}}&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{block centre/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;Vast toasts on the delicious lake,
{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}

{{block centre/s}}
&lt;poem&gt;{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}
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{{block centre/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Vast toasts on the delicious lake,
{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}

{{block centre/s}}
{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}
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{{block centre/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Vast toasts on the delicious lake,
{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}

{{block centre/s}}
{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}
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{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}

{{block centre/s}}
{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}
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{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}


{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}

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{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}


{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}

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{{em}}like ships at sea may swim.

Cupid and Bacchus, my gods are;
{{em}}let love and wine still reign:
With wine I'll drive away dull care,
{{em}}and then to my love again.}}
&lt;section end=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;
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{{c|TO SIGNORA CUZZONI.}}


{{ppoem|{{di|L}}{{sc|ittle}} Syren of the stage,
Charmer of an idle age,
Empty warbler breathing lyre,
Wanton gale of fond desire.

{{em}}Bane of every manly art,
Sweet enfeebler of the heart;
Oh, too pleasing is thy strains
Hence to southern strains again.

{{em}}Tuneful mischief, vocal spell,
To this island bid farewel:
Leave us as we ought to be,
Leave the Britons rough and free.}}

{{c|{{sp|FINIS}}}}

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“''For what art thou at work?''” It is useless to reply, 
“''I am merely noting down what I find in the world.'' 
''I am not responsible for the facts''.” The answer is, 
“A mere note-book thou art not, but a man. These 
are never simply notes; thy thoughts are always 
transformed reality, never mere copies of reality. 
For thy transforming activity, as well as for thy 
skill in copying, thou art answerable.” 


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It is not then that postulates occur here and 
there in our thoughts, but that, without postulates, 
both practical life and the commonest results of 
theory, from the simplest impressions to the most 
valuable beliefs, would be for most if not all of us 
utterly impossible; this it is which makes active faith 
so prominent a subject for philosophical 
consideration. An imperfect reflection makes that appear as 
blind faith which ought to appear as postulate. 
Instead of saying that he takes all these things on 
risk, and because they are worth the risk, the 
natural man is persuaded by such imperfect reflection to 
say that he trusts very ardently that he is running 
no risk at all. Or again: the natural man is moved 
to fear any examination into the bases of his thought, 
because he does not wish to discover that there is 
any risk there. And so we live dishonestly with 
our thoughts. Where there is a deeper basis, that 
involves more than mere risk, let us find it if we can. 
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Thy hill, delightful &lt;ref&gt;The old name of ''Richmond'', signifying in Saxon ''Shining'', or ''Splendor''.&lt;/ref&gt;''Shene?'' here let us sweep
The boundless landskip: now the raptur'd eye.
Exulting swift, to huge {{sc|Augusta}} fend,{{pline|1405|r}}
Now to the &lt;ref&gt;''Highgate'' and ''Hamstead''.&lt;/ref&gt;''Sister-Hills'' that skirt her plain,
{{anchor|WorksGrayp11-1}}To lofty ''Harrow'' now, and now to where
Majestic ''Windsor'' lifts his princely brow.
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Calmly magnificent, then will we turn{{pline|1410|r}}
To where the silver Thames first rural grows.
There let the feasted eye unwearied stray:
Luxurious, there, rove thro' the pendant woods
That nodding hang o'er {{sc|Harrington's}} retreat;
And, stooping thence to ''Ham''{{'}}s embowering walks,{{pline|1415|r}}
Beneath whose shades, in spotless peace retir'd,
With {{sc|Her}} the pleasing partner of his heart,
The worthy {{sc|Queensb'ry}} yet laments his {{sc|Gay}},
And polish'd {{sc|Cornbury}} wooes the willing Muse,
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Fair-winding up to where the Muses haunt
In ''Twit'nam's'' bowers, and for their {{sc|Pope}} implore
The healing God; &lt;ref&gt;''In his last sickness''.&lt;/ref&gt;to royal ''Hampton''{{'}}s pile,
To ''Clermont's'' terrass'd height, and ''Esher''{{'}}s groves,
Where in the sweetest solitude, embrac'd{{pline|1425|r}}
By the soft windings of the silent Mole,
From courts and senates {{sc|Pelham}} finds repose.
Inchanting vale! beyond whate'er the Muse
Has of ''Achaia'' or ''Hesperia'' sung!
O vale of bliss! O softly-swelling hills!{{pline|1430|r}}
On which the ''power'' of ''Cultivation'' lies,
And joys to see the wonders of his toil.

{{gap|1em}}{{sc|Heavens}}! what a goodly prospect spreads around,
Of hills, and dales, and woods, and lawns, and spires,
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{{sc|When}} Publius Scipio was in Spain and had learned that Hasdrubal, leader of the Carthaginians, had marched out and drawn up his troops in battle array early in the morning before they had had breakfast, he kept back his own men till one o'clock, having ordered them to rest and eat. When the enemy, exhausted with hunger, thirst, and waiting under arms, had begun to return to camp, Scipio suddenly led forth his troops, opened battle, and won the day.&lt;ref&gt;206 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|viii}}. xvi. 1.&lt;/ref&gt;

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When the same Metellus had joined forces with Pompey against Sertorius in Spain, and had repeatedly offered battle, the enemy declined combat, deeming himself unequal to two. Later on, however, Metellus, noticing that the soldiers of the enemy, fired with great enthusiasm, were calling for battle, baring their arms, and brandishing their spears, thought it best to retreat betimes before their ardour. Accordingly he withdrew and caused Pompey to do the same.

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{{index list/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;* Anaxibius, a Spartan general, {{asc|I}}. iv. 7; {{asc|II.}} v. 42 
* Antigonus, the name of several Macedonian kings: (1) Father of Demetrius, {{asc|IV.}} i. 10 
** (2) A. Gonatas, {{asc|III.}} iv. 2 
** (3) A. Doson, {{asc|II.}} vi. 5 
* Antiochus, the name of several Syrian kings: (l) {{asc|III.}} ii. 9; {{asc|III.}} ix. 10 
** (2) A., the Great, {{asc|I.}} viii. 7; {{asc|II.}} iv. 4 ; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 10 ; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 30 
** (3) A. Euergetes, {{asc|II.}} xiii. 2 
* Antipater, a general of Alexander of Macedon, {{asc|I.}} iv. 13 ; {{asc|II.}} xi. 4 
* Antium, a town in Latium, {{asc|III.}} i. 1 
* Antony, {{asc|I.}} vii. 5 ; {{asc|II.}} iii. 15; {{asc|II.}} v. 39; {{asc|II.}} xiii. 7; {{asc|III.}} xiii. 7; {{asc|III.}} xiv. 3; {{asc|III.}} xiv. 4; {{asc|IV}}. i. 37 
* Apollonides, {{asc|III.}} iii. 5
* Apennines, {{asc|I.}} viii. 3 
* Appius, ''see'' Claudius 
* Aquae Sextiae, a Roman colony in southern Gaul, {{asc|II.}} iv. 6 
* Aquilius, {{asc|IV.}} i. 36 
* Arabians, {{asc|II.}} v. 16 
* Arbela, a city in Assyria, {{asc|II.}} iii. 19 
* Arcadia, a province in the Peloponnesus, {{asc|III.}} ii. 7 
* Arcadians, {{asc|I.}} xi. 9; {{asc|III.}} ii. 4 
* Archelaus, a general of Mithridates, {{asc|I.}} v. 18;{{asc|I.}} xi. 20; {{asc|II.}} iii. 17; {{asc|II.}} viii. 12 
* Archidamus, a king of Sparta, {{asc|I.}} xi. 9 
* Ariovistus, a German king, {{asc|I.}} xi. 3 ; {{asc|II.}} i. 16; {{asc|IV.}} v. 11 
* Aristides, an Athenian, renowned for his integrity, and surnamed &quot;the Just,&quot; {{asc|IV.}} iii. 5 
* Aristippus, {{asc|III.}} ii. 8 
* Aristonicus, brother of Attalus III of Pergamum, {{asc|iv.}} v. 16 
* Armenia, {{asc|II.}} v. 33; {{asc|IV.}} i. 21; {{asc|IV.}} i. 28 
* Armenia Major, {{asc|II.}} i. 14; {{asc|II.}} ii. 4 
* Armenians, {{asc|I.}} iv. 10; {{asc|II.}} ix. 5 
* Arminius, a German chieftain, {{asc|II.}} ix. 4 
* Arpi, a city of Apulia, {{asc|III.}} ix. 2 
* Artaxerxes Mnemon, king of Persia, {{asc|II.}} iii. 6; {{asc|iv}}. ii. 7 
* Arusian Plains, in Samnium, {{asc|iv.}} i. 11 
* Asculani, {{asc|III.}} xvii. 8 
* Asculum, a town in Apulia, {{asc|II.}} iii. 21 
* Asia, {{asc|II.}} ix. 8; {{asc|II.}} xi. 3; {{asc|III.}} xvii. 5; {{asc|IV.}} v. 16 
* Ategua, a city in Spain, {{asc|III.}} xiv. 1 
* Atheas, {{asc|II.}} iv. 20 
* Athenians, {{asc|I.}} iii. 6; {{asc|I.}} iii. 9; {{asc|I.}} iv. 7; {{asc|I.}} iv. 13; {{asc|I.}} iv. 13a; {{asc|I.}} v. 7; {{asc|I.}} v. 23; {{asc|I.}} xi. 10; {{asc|II.}} i. 9; {{asc|II.}} i. 18; {{asc|II.}} ix. 8; {{asc|II.}} ix. 9; {{asc|II.}} ix. 10; {{asc|III.}} ii. 6; {{asc|III.}} iv. 2; {{asc|III.}} vi. 6; {{asc|III.}} xii. 1 ; {{asc|III.}} xv. 2; {{asc|IV.}} iii. 5; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 13 
* Athens, {{asc|I.}} i. 10; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 13 
* Atilius Calatinus, {{asc|I.}} v. 15; {{asc|IV.}} v. 10 
* Atilius Regulus : (1) Consul 294 {{BC}}, {{asc|II.}} viii. 11; {{asc|IV.}} i. 29 
** (2) Consul 267 {{BC}}, {{asc|II.}} iii. 10; {{asc|IV.}} iii. 3 
* Atrebas, a member of a Belgian tribe, {{asc|II.}} xiii. 11 
* Attalus, {{asc|II.}} xiii. 1 
* Augustus, ''see'' Domitian and Vespasian 
* Aurelius, {{asc|IV.}} i. 31 
* Aurelius Cotta, {{asc|IV}}. 1. 22; {{asc|IV.}} i. 30; {{asc|IV.}} i. 31 
* Aurunculeius Cotta, a lieutenant of Caesar, {{asc|III.}} xvii. 6 
* Autophradates, a Persian general, {{asc|I.}} iv. 5; {{asc|II.}} vii. 9 

* Babylon, {{asc|III.}} vii. 4 
* Babylonians, {{asc|III.}} iii. 4; {{asc|III.}} vii. 5 
* Baleares, inhabitants of the Balearic Islands, famous as slingers, {{asc|II.}} iii. 16 
* Bantius, {{asc|III.}} xvi. 1 
* Barca, ''see'' Hamilcar 
* Bardylis, {{asc|II.}} v. 19 
* Boeotia, {{asc|II.}} viii. 12 
* Boii, a Celtic people, who early migrated to Italy, {{asc|I.}} ii. 7; {{asc|I.}} vi. 4 
* Brasidas, a distinguished Spartan general during the Peloponnesian War, {{asc|I.}} v. 23 
* Britannia, {{asc|II.}} xiii. 11 
* Brundisium, a seaport of southern Italy, {{asc|I.}} v. 5 
* Brutiani, followers of Brutus, {{asc|IV.}} ii. 1 
* Brutti, the inhabitants of the southern point of Italy, {{asc|II.}} iii. 21 
* Brutus, ''see'' Junius 
* Byzantii, the inhabitants of Byzantium, the modern Constantinople, {{asc|I.}} iii. 4; {{asc|I.}} iv. 13a; {{asc|III.}} xi. 3 

* Cadurci, a people of southern Gaul, {{asc|III.}} vii. 2 
* Caecilius Metellus: (1) L. Caecilius Metellus, consul 251 {{BC}}, {{asc|I.}} vii. 1; {{asc|II.}} v. 4&lt;noinclude&gt;{{index list/e}}
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{{index list/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;*  Tryphon, a king of Syria, {{asc|II.}} xiii. 2 
* Tuditanus, ''see'' Sempronius 
* Servius Tullius, the sixth king of Rome, {{asc|II.}} viii. 1 
* (Q) Tullius Cicero, brother of the orator. {{asc|III.}} xvii. 6 
* Tullus Hostilius, ''see'' Hostilius 
* Tuscus habitus, {{asc|I.}} ii. 2 

* Umbria, a district in north-eastern Italy, {{asc|I.}} i. 9 
* Umbri, Umbrians, {{asc|I.}} viii. 3 

* Vadandus, {{asc|II.}} ix. 5 
* Valerius: (1) P. Valerius, {{asc|II.}} xi. 1 
** (2) P. Valerius Laevinus, {{asc|II.}} iv. 9; {{asc|IV.}} i. 24; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 7 
** (3) Valerius, {{asc|iv.}} i. 30 
* Variana clades, {{asc|III.}} xv. 4; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 8 
* Varinius, {{asc|I.}} v. 22 
* Varro, ''see'' Terentius 
* Veientes, inhabitants of Veii, {{asc|II.}} iv. 19; {{asc|II.}} vii. 1. 
* Veii, an ancient city of Etruria, {{asc|III.}} xiii. 1 
* Ventidius, a Roman general, famous for his victory over the Parthians, {{asc|I.}} i. 6; {{asc|II.}} ii. 5; {{asc|II.}} v. 36; {{asc|II.}} v. 37 
* Vergiuius, {{asc|II.}} i. 7 
* Vespasian, the Emperor, {{asc|II.}} i. 17; {{asc|iv.}} vi. 4 
* Vesuvius, {{asc|I.}} v. 21 
* Vetulonia, an ancient city of Etruria, {{asc|I.}} ii. 7 
* Vibius Pansa, consul 43 {{BC}}, {{asc|II.}} v. 39 
* Viriathus, a celebrated Spanish general, {{asc|II.}} v. 7; {{asc|II.}} xiii. 4; {{asc|III.}} x. 6; {{asc|III.}} xi. 4; {{asc|IV.}} v. 22 
* Voccaei, {{asc|IV.}} vii. 33 
* Volsci, a people of Latium, {{asc|ii.}} i. 7; {{asc|II.}} iv. 15; {{asc|II.}} viii. 4; {{asc|II.}} xii. 1; {{asc|III.}} {{asc|I.}} 1; {{asc|IV.}} vii. 40 
* Voltivruus, a river in Campania, {{asc|II.}} ii. 7 (''cf''. note); {{asc|III.}} xiv. 2 

* Xanthippus, the Spartan commander of Carthaginian troops, {{asc|II.}} ii. 11; {{asc|II.}} iii. 10 
* Xanthus, a Boeotian, {{asc|II.}} v. 41 
* Xenophon, the historian, {{asc|I.}} iv. 10; {{asc|IV.}} ii. 8; {{asc|IV.}} vi. 2 
* Xerxes, king of Persia, {{asc|I.}} iii. 6; {{asc|II.}} ii. 14; {{asc|II.}} vi. 8; {{asc|IV.}} ii. 9 

* Zeugma, a town in Syria, {{asc|I.}} 1. 6 
* Zopyrus, a Persian noble. {{asc|III.}} iii. 4
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* Acilius Aviola, [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E102|102]] 
* Aelius Tubero, [[On the Aqueducts/Book 1#E2|2]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E99|99]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E100|100]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E104|104]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E106|106]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E108|108]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E125|125]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E127|127]]
* Agrippa, 3, 9, 10, 25, 98, 99, 104, 116 
* Albius Crispus, 102 
* Albudinus spring, 14 
* Alsietina, 4, 11, 18, 22, 71, 85 
* Alsietina, which is called Augusta, 4, 11 
* Alsietinus lake, 11, 71 
* Anio river, 90, 93 
* Anio Novus, 4, 13, 15, 18, 20, 21, 68, 86, 91, 93, 104, 105 
* Anio Vetus, 4, 6, 7, 9, 13, 18, 21, 66, 67, 80, 91, 92, 125 
* Anios, two aqueducts, 13, 90 
* Antistius Vetus, C., 102 
* Apollo, spring of, 4 
* Appia, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 18, 22, 65, 79, 125 
* Appian Way, 5 
* Appius Claudius Crassus (Caecus), 5 
* Appius Claudius Pulcher, 7 
* Aquila Julianus, 13, 102 
* Asinian Gardens, 21 
* Asinius Celer, 102 
* Asinius Pollio, C., 102 
* Ateius Capito, 97, 102 
* Augusta, 5, 12, 14, 65, 72 
* Augustus, 5, 9, 11, 12, 97, 98, 99, 100, 104, 108, 116, 125 
* Aurelius Cotta, L., 7 
* Aventine Mount, 20, 22, 76, 87 

* Caecllius, Q., 7 
* Caelian Mount, 19, 20, 22, 76, 87 
* Caelius Rufus, 76 
* Caerulean spring, 13, 14, 72 
* Caesar, Caligula, 13 
* Caesar, emperor, 3, 23, 33, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 103, 105, 116, 118 
* Camenae, spring of, 4 
* Campania, 24 
* Capena Gate, 5, 19 
* Capitolium, 7, 8 
* Capua, 5 
* Careiae, 71 
* Carvilius, Sp., 6 
* Cassius Longinus Ravilla, L., 8 
* Cejonius Commodus, 70 
* Circus Maximus, 97 
* Claudia, 4, 13, 14, 15, 18, 20, 69, 72, 76, 86, 87, 89, 91, 104, 105 
* Claudian Way, 11 
* Claudius, 13, 20, 76, 105, 116 
* Cocceius Nerva, M., 102 
* Collatian Way, 5, 10 
* Cominius, L., 99 
* Cornelius Cethegus, 102 
* Cossus, 102 
* Crabra brook, 9 
* Crassus Frugi, 102 
* Curius Dentatus, 6 
* Curtian spring, 13, 14, 72 

* Decius Mus, 5 
* Didius Gallus, 102 
* Domitian, 102, 118 
* Domitius Afer, 102 

* Epaphroditian Gardens, 5, 68 
* Esquiline Gate, 21 

* Fabius Maximus, 99, l00, 104, 106, 108, 125, 127 
* Fabius Persicus, 102 
* Fabius, 96 
* Fenestella, 7&lt;noinclude&gt;{{index list/e}}
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* Acilius Aviola, [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E102|102]] 
* Aelius Tubero, [[On the Aqueducts/Book 1#E2|2]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E99|99]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E100|100]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E104|104]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E106|106]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E108|108]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E125|125]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E127|127]]
* Agrippa, 3, 9, 10, 25, 98, 99, 104, 116 
* Albius Crispus, 102 
* Albudinus spring, 14 
* Alsietina, 4, 11, 18, 22, 71, 85 
* Alsietina, which is called Augusta, 4, 11 
* Alsietinus lake, 11, 71 
* Anio river, 90, 93 
* Anio Novus, 4, 13, 15, 18, 20, 21, 68, 86, 91, 93, 104, 105 
* Anio Vetus, 4, 6, 7, 9, 13, 18, 21, 66, 67, 80, 91, 92, 125 
* Anios, two aqueducts, 13, 90 
* Antistius Vetus, C., 102 
* Apollo, spring of, 4 
* Appia, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 18, 22, 65, 79, 125 
* Appian Way, 5 
* Appius Claudius Crassus (Caecus), 5 
* Appius Claudius Pulcher, 7 
* Aquila Julianus, 13, 102 
* Asinian Gardens, 21 
* Asinius Celer, 102 
* Asinius Pollio, C., 102 
* Ateius Capito, 97, 102 
* Augusta, 5, 12, 14, 65, 72 
* Augustus, 5, 9, 11, 12, 97, 98, 99, 100, 104, 108, 116, 125 
* Aurelius Cotta, L., 7 
* Aventine Mount, 20, 22, 76, 87 

* Caecllius, Q., 7 
* Caelian Mount, 19, 20, 22, 76, 87 
* Caelius Rufus, 76 
* Caerulean spring, 13, 14, 72 
* Caesar, Caligula, 13 
* Caesar, emperor, 3, 23, 33, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 103, 105, 116, 118 
* Camenae, spring of, 4 
* Campania, 24 
* Capena Gate, 5, 19 
* Capitolium, 7, 8 
* Capua, 5 
* Careiae, 71 
* Carvilius, Sp., 6 
* Cassius Longinus Ravilla, L., 8 
* Cejonius Commodus, 70 
* Circus Maximus, 97 
* Claudia, 4, 13, 14, 15, 18, 20, 69, 72, 76, 86, 87, 89, 91, 104, 105 
* Claudian Way, 11 
* Claudius, 13, 20, 76, 105, 116 
* Cocceius Nerva, M., 102 
* Collatian Way, 5, 10 
* Cominius, L., 99 
* Cornelius Cethegus, 102 
* Cossus, 102 
* Crabra brook, 9 
* Crassus Frugi, 102 
* Curius Dentatus, 6 
* Curtian spring, 13, 14, 72 

* Decius Mus, 5 
* Didius Gallus, 102 
* Domitian, 102, 118 
* Domitius Afer, 102 

* Epaphroditian Gardens, 5, 68 
* Esquiline Gate, 21 

* Fabius Maximus, 99, l00, 104, 106, 108, 125, 127 
* Fabius Persicus, 102 
* Fabius, 96 
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* Aelius Tubero, [[On the Aqueducts/Book 1#E2|2]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E99|99]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E100|100]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E104|104]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E106|106]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E108|108]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E125|125]], [[On the Aqueducts/Book 2#E127|127]]
* Agrippa, 3, 9, 10, 25, 98, 99, 104, 116 
* Albius Crispus, 102 
* Albudinus spring, 14 
* Alsietina, 4, 11, 18, 22, 71, 85 
* Alsietina, which is called Augusta, 4, 11 
* Alsietinus lake, 11, 71 
* Anio river, 90, 93 
* Anio Novus, 4, 13, 15, 18, 20, 21, 68, 86, 91, 93, 104, 105 
* Anio Vetus, 4, 6, 7, 9, 13, 18, 21, 66, 67, 80, 91, 92, 125 
* Anios, two aqueducts, 13, 90 
* Antistius Vetus, C., 102 
* Apollo, spring of, 4 
* Appia, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 18, 22, 65, 79, 125 
* Appian Way, 5 
* Appius Claudius Crassus (Caecus), 5 
* Appius Claudius Pulcher, 7 
* Aquila Julianus, 13, 102 
* Asinian Gardens, 21 
* Asinius Celer, 102 
* Asinius Pollio, C., 102 
* Ateius Capito, 97, 102 
* Augusta, 5, 12, 14, 65, 72 
* Augustus, 5, 9, 11, 12, 97, 98, 99, 100, 104, 108, 116, 125 
* Aurelius Cotta, L., 7 
* Aventine Mount, 20, 22, 76, 87 

* Caecllius, Q., 7 
* Caelian Mount, 19, 20, 22, 76, 87 
* Caelius Rufus, 76 
* Caerulean spring, 13, 14, 72 
* Caesar, Caligula, 13 
* Caesar, emperor, 3, 23, 33, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 103, 105, 116, 118 
* Camenae, spring of, 4 
* Campania, 24 
* Capena Gate, 5, 19 
* Capitolium, 7, 8 
* Capua, 5 
* Careiae, 71 
* Carvilius, Sp., 6 
* Cassius Longinus Ravilla, L., 8 
* Cejonius Commodus, 70 
* Circus Maximus, 97 
* Claudia, 4, 13, 14, 15, 18, 20, 69, 72, 76, 86, 87, 89, 91, 104, 105 
* Claudian Way, 11 
* Claudius, 13, 20, 76, 105, 116 
* Cocceius Nerva, M., 102 
* Collatian Way, 5, 10 
* Cominius, L., 99 
* Cornelius Cethegus, 102 
* Cossus, 102 
* Crabra brook, 9 
* Crassus Frugi, 102 
* Curius Dentatus, 6 
* Curtian spring, 13, 14, 72 

* Decius Mus, 5 
* Didius Gallus, 102 
* Domitian, 102, 118 
* Domitius Afer, 102 

* Epaphroditian Gardens, 5, 68 
* Esquiline Gate, 21 

* Fabius Maximus, 99, l00, 104, 106, 108, 125, 127 
* Fabius Persicus, 102 
* Fabius, 96 
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|{{UC|Aristotle, Organon,}} W. M. L. Hutchinson. 

|{{UC|Aristotle, Physics,}} Rev. P. Wicksteed. 

|{{UC|Aristotle, Poetics,}} {{sc|and}} {{UC|Longinus,}} W. Hamilton Fyfe. 

|{{UC|Aristotle, Politics}} {{sc|and}} {{UC|Athenian Constitution,}} 

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|{{UC|Aristotle, Rhetoric, }}J. Freese. 
|{{UC|Athenaeus,}} C. B. Gulick. 
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|{{UC|Dio Chrysostom,}} W. E. Waters. 
|{{UC|Diogenes Laertius,}} R. D. Hicks. 
|{{UC|Epictetus,}} W. A. Oldfather. 
|{{UC|Eusebius,}} Kirsopp Lake. 

|{{UC|Greek Iambis and Elegiac Poets,}} E. D. Perry. 
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|{{UC|Isocrates,}} G. Norlin. 
|{{UC|Josephus,}} H. St. J. Thackeray. 
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|{{UC|Plato, Republic,}} Paul Shorey. 
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|{{UC|ST. Basil, Letters,}} R. J. Deferrari. 
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|{{UC|Seneca, Moral Essays,}} J. W. Basore. 
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|{{UC|Tacitus, Annals,}} John Jackson. 
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 | author     = Sextus Julius Frontinus
 | translator = |override_translator = [[Author:Charles Edwin Bennett|Charles E. Bennett]] and [[Author:Clemens Herschel|Clemens Herschel]]
 | editor     = Mary Belle McElwain
 | section    = L174
 | previous   = L173
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local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

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-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

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-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

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-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

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-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotApprox = birthyear and birthyear ~= '?' and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotApprox = deathyear and deathyear ~= '?' and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if birthNotApprox or deathNotApprox or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotApprox and deathyear and not deathNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotApprox and birthyear and not birthNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

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-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		qualifiers = statement.qualifiers
		wantedProperty = 
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

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-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

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local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

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-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

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-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

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-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

return p</text>
      <sha1>p2q4nu92xzriuyzbbjt665pwdjfaj2e</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143351</id>
      <parentid>15143333</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T19:36:49Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <origin>15143351</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="35572" sha1="p8td1yq2hl7u2lgue8wmx4tfxuc6zd9" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

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-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

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-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

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-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotApprox = birthyear and birthyear ~= '?' and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotApprox = deathyear and deathyear ~= '?' and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if birthNotApprox or deathNotApprox or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotApprox and deathyear and not deathNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotApprox and birthyear and not birthNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

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-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		qualifiers = statement.qualifiers
		wantedProperty = 
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

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-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

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local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

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-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

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-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return &quot;here&quot;
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

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-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

return p</text>
      <sha1>p8td1yq2hl7u2lgue8wmx4tfxuc6zd9</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143356</id>
      <parentid>15143351</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T19:38:14Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>test</comment>
      <origin>15143356</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="35602" sha1="69bu5405n0td106es5si9dwresgo00x" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotApprox = birthyear and birthyear ~= '?' and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotApprox = deathyear and deathyear ~= '?' and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if birthNotApprox or deathNotApprox or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotApprox and deathyear and not deathNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotApprox and birthyear and not birthNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		qualifiers = statement.qualifiers
		wantedProperty = 
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

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-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

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local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

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-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

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-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	if true then
		return &quot;test&quot;
	end
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

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-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

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-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

return p</text>
      <sha1>69bu5405n0td106es5si9dwresgo00x</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143360</id>
      <parentid>15143356</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T19:39:14Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <origin>15143360</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="35567" sha1="gzv8etra2zvl1odtfg6fn9astqfwtuz" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotApprox = birthyear and birthyear ~= '?' and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotApprox = deathyear and deathyear ~= '?' and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if birthNotApprox or deathNotApprox or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotApprox and deathyear and not deathNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotApprox and birthyear and not birthNotApprox then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		qualifiers = statement.qualifiers
		wantedProperty = 
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

return p</text>
      <sha1>gzv8etra2zvl1odtfg6fn9astqfwtuz</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143426</id>
      <parentid>15143360</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T20:01:37Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>sync</comment>
      <origin>15143426</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="35581" sha1="7qzdz9tei1ldcf4nzvpeg0vlm6lsc5k" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotFloruit = birthyear
		and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotFloruit = deathyear
		and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if (birthNotFloruit and birthyear ~= '?') or (deathNotFloruit and deathyear ~= '?') or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotFloruit and deathyear and not deathNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotFloruit and birthyear and not birthNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

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-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

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-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

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local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

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-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

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-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end

function p.p(a,b)
	return formatWikidataYear(a,b)
end

--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

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-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

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-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

return p</text>
      <sha1>7qzdz9tei1ldcf4nzvpeg0vlm6lsc5k</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>15143435</id>
      <parentid>15143426</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T20:02:49Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Alien333</username>
        <id>3086116</id>
      </contributor>
      <origin>15143435</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="35529" sha1="0l02gcg9sdqfh9332dn0fpzv929du1h" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')

local p = {}

-- Local variables
local getArgs = require('Module:Arguments').getArgs
local yesno = require('Module:Yesno')
local construct_header = require('Module:Header structure').construct_header

local dateModule = require('Module:Era')
local TableTools = require('Module:TableTools')
local ordinal = require('Module:Ordinal')._ordinal

local categories = {} -- List of categories to add page to.

local function preprocess(args)
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():preprocess(args)
end

local wd_properties = {
	birth = 'P569',
	death = 'P570',
	workperiodstart = 'P2031',
	workperiodend = 'P2032',
	floruit = 'P1317',
	
	familyname = 'P734',
	gender = 'P21',
	instanceof = 'P31',
	medialegend = 'P2096',
	
	image = 'P18',
	flag_image = 'P41',
	logo_image = 'P154',
	
	nationalities = 'P27',
	occupations = 'P106',
	religions = 'P140',
	movements = 'P135',
	ideologies = 'P1142',
	employer = 'P108',
	positionheld = 'P39',
	awardreceived = 'P166',
	memberof = 'P463',
	canonizationstatus = 'P411',
	contributedto = 'P3919',
	socialclassification = 'P3716',
	instrument = 'P1303',
	describedby = 'P1343'
}

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Add a category to the current list of categories. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function addCategory(category)
	table.insert(categories, category)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Remove a category. Do not include the Category prefix.
local function removeCategory(category)
	for catPos, cat in pairs(categories) do
    	if cat == category then
    		table.remove(categories, catPos)
    	end
  	end
end

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-- Get wikitext for all categories added using addCategory.
local function getCategories()
	categories = TableTools.removeDuplicates(categories)
	table.sort(categories)
	local out = ''
	for _, cat in pairs(categories) do
		out = out .. '[[Category:' .. cat .. ']]'
	end
	return out
end

local function normalize_args(args)
	-- aliases
	local dup_cat = ''
	local oldKeys = {}
	local newArgs = {}
	
	for k, v in pairs(args) do
		local newkey = string.lower(string.gsub(string.gsub(tostring(k), '-', '_'), ' ', '_'))
		if newkey ~= tostring(k) then
			if args[newkey] then
				addCategory('Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls')
			end
			newArgs[newkey] = newArgs[newkey] or v
			table.insert(oldKeys, tostring(k))
		end
	end
	for k, v in pairs(newArgs) do
		args[k] = v
	end
	for k, v in pairs(oldKeys) do
		args[v] = nil
	end
	
	args.wikidata = args.wikidata or args.wikidata_id
	args.wikidata_id = nil
	
	-- Fetch entity object for Wikidata item connected to the current page
	-- Let manually-specified Wikidata ID override if given and valid
	if args.wikidata and mw.wikibase.isValidEntityId(args.wikidata) then
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(args.wikidata)
	else
		args.wd_entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity()
	end
	
	args.use_initials = yesno(args.use_initials) ~= false and args.last_initial ~= '!NO_INITIALS'
	args.nocat = yesno(args.nocat) or false
	
	return args
end

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-- Get the actual parentheses-enclosed HTML string that shows the dates.
local function getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	if not birthyear and not deathyear and not workPeriodYears then
		return nil
	end
	
	local dates = '&lt;br /&gt;('
	
	local birthNotFloruit = birthyear
		and not birthyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	local deathNotFloruit = deathyear
		and not deathyear:match(&quot;^fl%.&quot;)
	if (birthNotFloruit and birthyear ~= '?') or (deathNotFloruit and deathyear ~= '?') or not workPeriodYears then
		if birthyear then
			if birthNotFloruit and deathyear and not deathNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;b. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. birthyear
		end
		if (birthyear or deathyear) and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			-- Add spaces if there are spaces in either of the dates.
			local spaces = ''
			if string.match((birthyear or '') .. (deathyear or ''), ' ') then
				spaces = ' '
			end
			dates = dates .. spaces .. '–' .. spaces
		end
		if deathyear and birthyear ~= deathyear then
			if deathNotFloruit and birthyear and not birthNotFloruit then
				dates = dates .. &quot;d. &quot;
			end
			dates = dates .. deathyear
		end
	else
		dates = dates .. workPeriodYears
		addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
	end
	if birthyear or deathyear or workPeriodYears then
		dates = dates .. ')'
	end
	return dates
end

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-- Take a statement of a given property and make a human-readable year string
-- out of it, adding the relevant categories as we go.
-- @param table statement The statement.
-- @param string type One of 'birth' or 'death'.
local function getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
	local snak = statement.mainsnak
	-- We're not using mw.wikibase.formatValue because we only want years.
	
	-- No value. This is invalid for birth dates (should be 'somevalue'
	-- instead), and indicates 'still alive' for death dates.
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'birth' then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
		return nil
	end
	if snak.snaktype == 'novalue' and year_type == 'death' then
		addCategory('Living authors')
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Unknown value.
	if snak.snaktype == 'somevalue' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		return '?'
	end
	
	-- Extract year from the time value.
	local _, _, extractedYear = string.find(snak.datavalue.value.time, '([%+%-]%d%d%d+)%-')
	local year = math.abs(tonumber(extractedYear))
	addCategory(dateModule.era(extractedYear) .. ' authors')
	
	 -- Century &amp; millennium precision.
	if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 or snak.datavalue.value.precision == 7 then
		local ceilfactor = 100
		local precisionName = 'century'
		if snak.datavalue.value.precision == 6 then
			ceilfactor = 1000
			precisionName = 'millennium'
		end
		local cent = math.max(math.ceil(year/ceilfactor), 1)
		local suffixed_cent = ordinal(cent, false, false)
		year = suffixed_cent .. ' ' .. precisionName
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	elseif snak.datavalue.value.precision == 8 then -- decade precision
		year = math.floor(tonumber(year)/10) * 10 .. 's'
		addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; 0 then
		year = year .. ' BCE'
	end
	
	-- Remove from 'Living authors' if that's not possible.
	if tonumber(extractedYear) &lt; tonumber(os.date('%Y') - 110) then
		removeCategory('Living authors')
	end
	
	-- Add to e.g. 'YYYY births' category (before we add 'c.' or 'fl.' prefixes).
	if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
		-- mw.logObject('Wikidata cat')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	
	-- Extract circa (P1480 = sourcing circumstances, Q5727902 = circa)
	if statement.qualifiers and statement.qualifiers.P1480 then
		for _,qualifier in pairs(statement.qualifiers.P1480) do
			if qualifier.datavalue and qualifier.datavalue.value.id == 'Q5727902' then
				addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
				year = 'c. ' .. year
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Add floruit abbreviation.
	if year_type == 'floruit' then
		year = 'fl. ' .. year
	end
	
	return year
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get a given or family name property.
-- This concatenates (with spaces) all statements of the given property in order of the series ordinal (P1545) qualifier.
-- @TODO fix this.
local function getNameFromWikidata(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	local out = {}
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		local itemId = statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
		table.insert(out, mw.wikibase.label(itemId) or '')
	end
	return table.concat(out, ' ')
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
local function getPropertyValue(item, property)
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if statements[1] and statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue then
		return statements[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	end	
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- The 'Wikisource' format for a birth or death year is as follows:
--     &quot;?&quot; or empty for unknown (or still alive)
--     Use BCE for years before year 1
--     Approximate dates:
--         Decades or centuries: &quot;1930s&quot; or &quot;20th century&quot;
--         Circa: &quot;c/1930&quot; or &quot;c. 1930&quot; or &quot;ca 1930&quot; or &quot;circa 1930&quot;
--         Tenuous year: &quot;1932/?&quot;
--         Choice of two or more years: &quot;1932/1933&quot;
-- This is a slightly overly-complicated function, but one day will be able to be deleted.
-- @param string type Either 'birth' or 'death'
-- @return string The year to display
local function formatWikisourceYear(year, year_type)
	if not year then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- mw.logObject('formatWikisourceYear')
	
	local yearParts = mw.text.split(year, '/', true)
	-- mw.logObject('yearParts')
	-- mw.logObject(yearParts)
	
	-- Ends in a question mark.
	if yearParts[2] == '?' then
		addCategory('Authors with unknown ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		if tonumber(yearParts[1]) then
			-- mw.logObject('unknown')
			-- mw.logObject(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			addCategory(dateModule.era(yearParts[1]) .. ' authors')
			addCategory(yearParts[1] .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		else
			addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		return yearParts[1] .. '?'
	end
	
	-- Starts with one of the 'circa' abbreviations
	local circaNames = {'ca.', 'c.', 'ca', 'c', 'circa'}
	for _, circaName in pairs(circaNames) do
		local yearNumber
		local isCirca = false
		if yearParts[1] == circaName then
			yearNumber = mw.text.trim(yearParts[2])
			isCirca = true
		elseif string.match(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName) then
			yearNumber = string.gsub(yearParts[1], '^' .. circaName, '')
			isCirca = (tonumber(yearNumber) ~= nil)
		end
		
		if isCirca then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			
			if tonumber(yearNumber) then
				yearNumber = tonumber(yearNumber)
				-- mw.logObject(yearNumber)
				addCategory(dateModule.era(tostring(yearNumber)) .. ' authors')
				addCategory(yearNumber .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
			else
				addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
			end
			
			return 'c. ' .. yearNumber
		end
	end
	
	-- If there is more than one year part, and they're all numbers, add categories.
	local allPartsAreNumeric = true
	if #yearParts &gt; 1 then
		for _, yearPart in pairs(yearParts) do
			if tonumber(yearPart) then
				-- mw.logObject('numeric')
				-- mw.logObject(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(yearPart .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
				addCategory(dateModule.era(yearPart) .. ' authors')
			else
				allPartsAreNumeric = false
			end
		end
		if allPartsAreNumeric then
			addCategory('Authors with approximate birth dates')
		end
	elseif #yearParts == 1 and not tonumber(year) then
		allPartsAreNumeric = false
	end
	
	-- Otherwise, just use whatever's been given
	if not allPartsAreNumeric then
		addCategory('Authors with non-numeric ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
	end
	
	if #yearParts == 1 or allPartsAreNumeric == false then
		-- mw.logObject('not numeric')
		-- mw.logObject(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
		addCategory(year .. ' ' .. year_type .. 's')
	end
	return year
end

--[=[
Get a formatted year of the given property and add to the relevant categories
]=]
local function formatWikidataYear(item, year_type)
	-- Check sanity of inputs
	if not item or not year_type or not wd_properties[year_type] then
		return nil
	end
	
	local property = wd_properties[year_type]
	
	-- Get this property's statements.
	local statements = item:getBestStatements(property)
	if #statements == 0 then
		-- If there are no statements of this type, add to 'missing' category.
		if year_type == 'birth' or year_type == 'death' then
			addCategory('Authors with missing ' .. year_type .. ' dates')
		end
		local isHuman = item:formatPropertyValues(wd_properties['instanceof']).value == 'human'
		if year_type == 'death' and isHuman then
			-- If no statements about death, assume to be alive.
			addCategory('Living authors')
		end
	end
	
	-- Compile a list of years, one from each statement.
	local years = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, year_type)
		if year then
			table.insert(years, year)
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	-- If no year found yet, try for a floruit date. Make an exception for workperiod
	if (#years == 0 or table.concat(years, '/') == '?') and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodstart&quot; and year_type ~= &quot;workperiodend&quot; then
		local floruitStatements = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties[&quot;floruit&quot;])
		for _, statement in pairs(floruitStatements) do
			-- If all we've got so far is 'unknown', replace it.
			if table.concat(years, '/') == '?' then
				years = {}
			end
			addCategory('Authors with floruit dates')
			local year = getYearStringFromSingleStatement(statement, 'floruit')
			if year then
				table.insert(years, year)
			end
		end
	end
	years = TableTools.removeDuplicates(years)
	
	if #years == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	return table.concat(years, '/')
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Get a single formatted date, with no categories.
-- args.year, args.year_type, args.wd_entity
local function date(args)
	if args.year then
		return formatWikisourceYear(args.year, args.year_type)
	else
		return formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, args.year_type)
	end
end

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-- Get a formatted string of the years that this author lived,
-- and categorise in the appropriate categories.
-- The returned string starts with a line break (&lt;br /&gt;).
local function dates(args)
	local outHtml = mw.html.create()
	
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	-- Check a given title as having the appropriate dates as a disambiguating suffix.
	local function checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(title, wikidata)
		-- All disambiguated author pages have parentheses in their titles.
		local titleHasParentheses = string.find(tostring(title), '%d%)')
		if not titleHasParentheses then
			return
		end
		
		-- The title should end with years in the same format as is used in the page header
		-- but with a normal hyphen instead of an en-dash.
		local dates = '(' .. (date({year_type = 'birth', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. '-' .. (date({year_type = 'death', wd_entity = args.wd_entity}) or '') .. ')'
		if string.sub(tostring(title), -string.len(dates)) ~= dates then 
			addCategory('Authors with title-date mismatches')
		end
	end
	
	-- Check disambiguated page titles for accuracy.
	checkTitleDatesAgainstWikidata(args.pagetitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle(), args.wikidata)

	-- Get the dates (do death first, so birth can override categories if required):
	-- Death
	local deathyear
	local wikidataDeathyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'death')
	local wikisourceDeathyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.deathyear, 'death')
	
	if args.deathyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied death dates.
		deathyear = wikisourceDeathyear
		addCategory('Authors with override death dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceDeathyear ~= wikidataDeathyear then
			addCategory('Authors with death dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(deathyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(deathyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		deathyear = wikidataDeathyear
	end
	if not deathyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing death dates')
	end
	
	-- Birth
	local birthyear
	local wikidataBirthyear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, 'birth')
	local wikisourceBirthyear = formatWikisourceYear(args.birthyear, 'birth')
	if args.birthyear then
		-- For Wikisource-supplied birth dates.
		birthyear = wikisourceBirthyear
		addCategory('Authors with override birth dates')
		if args.wd_entity and wikisourceBirthyear ~= wikidataBirthyear then
			addCategory('Authors with birth dates differing from Wikidata')
		end
		if tonumber(birthyear) then
			addCategory(dateModule.era(birthyear) .. ' authors')
		end
	else
		birthyear = wikidataBirthyear
	end
	if not birthyear then
		addCategory('Authors with missing birth dates')
	end
	
	-- Work period
	local startYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodstart&quot;)
	local endYear = formatWikidataYear(args.wd_entity, &quot;workperiodend&quot;)
	local workPeriodYears
	if startYear or endYear then
		if not startYear then
			startYear = '?'
		end
		if not endYear then
			endYear = '?'
		end
		workPeriodYears = &quot;fl. &quot; .. startYear .. &quot;–&quot; .. endYear
	else
		workPeriodYears = nil
	end
	
	-- Put all the output together, including manual override of the dates.
	local dates = ''
	if args.dates then
		-- The parentheses are repeated here and in getFormattedDates()
		addCategory('Authors with override dates')
		dates = '&lt;br /&gt;(' .. args.dates .. ')'
	else
		dates = getFormattedDates(birthyear, deathyear, workPeriodYears)
	end
	
	if dates then
		outHtml:wikitext(dates)
		return tostring(outHtml)
	end
	
	return nil
end


--[=[
Match claims to configured categories.
Utility function for constructCategories.

Modifies the provided table to add categories configured in /data.
]=]
local function addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, pId, knownCategories)
	-- Abort if the provided category mappings are missing or undefined
	if not knownCategories then
		error('Category mappings are not defined. Check [[Module:Author/data]].')
	end
	
	-- Get statements for the property provided (ignore deprecated statements)
	local statements = entity:getBestStatements(pId)
	
	-- Get the category for each statement's value if a mapping exists
	for _, v in pairs(statements) do
		-- Sometimes the property exists on the item but has no value,
		-- or it has an unknown value,
		-- so in the output from mw.wikibase.getEntity()
		-- .mainsnak's .datavalue will be nil.		
		if v.mainsnak.snaktype == 'value' then
			local valueId = v.mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
			-- Add the category if we have a mapping for this statement
			local knownCat = knownCategories[valueId]
			if knownCat then
				addCategory(knownCat)
			end
		end
	end
end

--[=[
Get categories for nationality, occupations, etc.

Returns categories as a string of wikicode
]=]
local function constructCategories(entity)
	if not entity then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Load the property to category mappings
	local DATA = mw.loadData('Module:Author/data')
	
	-- Add categories from properties for which we have a configured mapping
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['nationalities'],   DATA.categories.nationalities)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['occupations'],  DATA.categories.occupations)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['religions'],  DATA.categories.religions)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['movements'],  DATA.categories.movements)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['ideologies'], DATA.categories.ideologies)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['employer'],  DATA.categories.employer)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['positionheld'],   DATA.categories.positionheld)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['awardreceived'],  DATA.categories.awardreceived)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['memberof'],  DATA.categories.memberof)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['canonizationstatus'],  DATA.categories.canonizationstatus)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['contributedto'], DATA.categories.contributedto)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['socialclassification'], DATA.categories.socialclassification)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['instrument'], DATA.categories.instrument)
	addCategoriesFromClaims(entity, wd_properties['describedby'], DATA.categories.describedby)
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Output link and category for initial letters of family name.
--
local function lastInitial(args)
	-- Handle special override
	if not args.use_initials then
		return nil
	end
	
	-- Allow manual override of initials.
	local initials = args.last_initial
	
	-- If a lastname is provided, get the initials from that.
	if not initials and args.lastname then
		initials = mw.ustring.sub(args.lastname, 1, 2)
	end
	
	-- Fetch from Wikidata.
	if not initials then
		local item = args.wd_entity
		if item then
			-- Get the first family name statement.
			local familyNames = item:getBestStatements(wd_properties['familyname'])
			if #familyNames &gt; 0 then
				local familyNameId = familyNames[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value.id
				local familyName = mw.wikibase.getEntity(familyNameId)
				if familyName.labels and familyName.labels.en then
					-- Take the first two characters of the English label
					-- (this avoids issues with 'native label P1705' and is fine for English Wikisource).
					initials = mw.ustring.sub(familyName.labels.en.value, 1, 2) 
				end
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- Put it all together and output
	local out
	if initials then
		out = '[[Wikisource:Authors-' .. initials .. '|Author Index: ' .. initials .. ']]'
		local authorCategory = mw.title.new('Authors-' .. initials, 'Category')
		addCategory(authorCategory.text)
		if authorCategory.exists ~= true then
			addCategory('Author pages with missing initials category')
		end
	else
		addCategory('Authors without initials')
		out = '[[:Category:Authors without initials|Authors without initials]]'
	end
	
	return out
end

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Header assembly
local function ucfirst(s)
	return string.sub(s, 1, 1) .. string.sub(s, 2)
end

local function gender_from_wd(wd_entity)
	if not wd_entity then
		return nil
	end
	local statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(wd_properties['gender'])
	if #statements == 0 then
		return nil
	end
	
	local genders = {}
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local snak = statement.mainsnak
		if snak.snaktype ~= 'value'
			or not snak
			or snak.datatype ~= 'wikibase-item'
			or not snak.datavalue
			or not snak.datavalue.value
			or not snak.datavalue.value.id then
			break
		end
		local gender_item = mw.wikibase.getEntity(snak.datavalue.value.id)
		if not gender_item or not gender_item.labels or not gender_item.labels.en or not gender_item.labels.en.value then
			break
		end
		table.insert(genders, gender_item.labels.en.value)
	end
	
	return genders[1]
end

local function image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	if not wd_entity then
		return {}
	end
	
	local ordered_properties = {wd_properties['image'], wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image']}
	if prefer_logo then
		ordered_properties = {wd_properties['flag_image'], wd_properties['logo_image'], wd_properties['image']}
	end
	
	local statements = {}
	for i, prop in ipairs(ordered_properties) do
		if #statements == 0 then
			statements = wd_entity:getBestStatements(prop)
		end
	end
	if #statements == 0 then
		return {}
	end
	
	local images = {}
	
	--[=[
	local langcode = mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('int', {'lang'})
	langcode = (mw.language.isKnownLanguageTag(langcode) and langcode) or mw.language.getContentLanguage().code
	local base_langcode = mw.text.split(langcode, '-', true)[1]
	local langcode_fallbacks_ordered = {base_langcode}
	for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(base_langcode)) do
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
	end
	if base_langcode ~= langcode then
		table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, 2, langcode)
		for i, lang in ipairs(mw.language.getFallbacksFor(langcode)) do
			table.insert(langcode_fallbacks_ordered, lang)
		end
	end
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {}
	for i, v in ipairs(langcode_fallbacks_ordered) do
		langcode_fallbacks[v] = i
	end
	]=]
	
	local langcode_fallbacks = {[mw.language.getContentLanguage().code] = 1}
	
	for _, statement in pairs(statements) do
		local image = statement.mainsnak.datatype == 'commonsMedia' and statement.mainsnak.datavalue and statement.mainsnak.datavalue.value
		
		local captions = {}
		
		local legends = statement['qualifiers'] and statement['qualifiers'][wd_properties['medialegend']]
		
		if legends then
			for i, legend in ipairs(legends) do
				if legend.datatype == 'monolingualtext' and legend.datavalue and legend.datavalue.value and legend.datavalue.value.text and legend.datavalue.value.language then
					local legend_langcode = legend.datavalue.value.language
					local legend_base_langcode = mw.text.split(legend_langcode, '-', true)[1]
					local legend_text = legend.datavalue.value.text
					
					if langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_langcode]] = legend_text
					elseif langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode] then
						captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] = captions[langcode_fallbacks[legend_base_langcode]] or legend_text
					end
				end
			end
			captions = TableTools.compressSparseArray(captions)
		end
		
		if image then
			table.insert(images, {image = image, image_caption = captions[1]})
		end
	end
	
	return images[1] or {}
end

function p.image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
	return image_from_wd(wd_entity, prefer_logo)
end

local function get_image(args)
	local image = args.image
	local wd_image_info = image_from_wd(args.wd_entity, args.prefer_logo)
	local template_ns = args.template_ns or 'Author'
	
	if image then
		addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with image')
	else
		image = wd_image_info.image
		if image then
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages with Wikidata image')
		else
			addCategory(template_ns .. ' pages without image')
		end
	end
	
	local image_display = ''
	if image then
		local upright = (yesno(args.upright) and '|upright=0.6') or ''
		
		args.image_caption = args.image_caption or wd_image_info.image_caption or args.name_text
		
		local caption_div = (args.image_caption and tostring(mw.html.create('div'):css({['text-align'] = 'center'}):wikitext(args.image_caption))) or ''
		
		image_display = '[[File:' .. image .. '|thumb' .. upright .. '|' .. caption_div .. '|alt=' .. (args.image_alt or '') .. ']]'
	end
	
	return image_display
end

local function construct_defaultsort(args)
	local defaultsort = args.defaultsort
	if not defaultsort then
		if args.firstname and args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst(args.lastname .. ', ' .. args.firstname)
		elseif args.firstname or args.lastname then
			defaultsort = ucfirst((args.lastname or '') .. (args.firstname or ''))
		end
	end
	if defaultsort then
		return mw.getCurrentFrame():callParserFunction('DEFAULTSORT', {defaultsort})
	end
	return ''
end

local function author(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	
	-- Always tell Header structure that we're {{author}}
	-- TODO: Is there a use case for letting our clients set this?
	args.template = 'author'

	local current_title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
	
	local firstname = args.firstname
	local lastname = args.lastname
	local last_initial = args.last_initial
	
	if firstname then
		firstname = preprocess(firstname)
	end
	if lastname then
		lastname = preprocess(lastname)
	end
	if last_initial then
		last_initial = preprocess(last_initial)
	end
	
	args.header_class = 'wst-author ws-header'
	
	-- main block
	
	args.main_class = 'authortemplate'
	
	args.previous = lastInitial(args)
	
	if firstname and lastname then
		if yesno(args.invert_names) then
			args.name_text = lastname .. ' ' .. firstname
		else
			args.name_text = firstname .. ' ' .. lastname
		end
	else
		args.name_text = firstname or lastname
	end
	
	local name_text_span = ''
	if args.name_text then
		name_text_span = tostring(mw.html.create('span'):css({['font-weight'] = 'bold'}):wikitext(args.name_text))
	end
	
	local dates_text = ''
	if not yesno(args.disambiguation) then
		dates_text = dates(args) or ''
	end
	
	args.main_title = name_text_span .. dates_text
	
	-- notes block
	args.notes_class = 'author_notes'
	args.commonscat = args.commonscat or (
		args.wd_entity
		and args.wd_entity.claims
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1]
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datatype == 'string'
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue
		and args.wd_entity.claims.P373[1].mainsnak.datavalue.value
	)
	args.notes = args.description
	
	-- image
	local image_display = get_image(args)
	
	-- defaultsort
	args.defaultsort = args.defaultsort or args.sortkey
	local defaultsort_magicword = construct_defaultsort(args)
	
	-- categories
	if not args.categories then
		-- Author index category
		if last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors-' .. last_initial)
		elseif not last_initial then
			addCategory('Authors without initials')
		end
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages by gender, based on Wikidata sex or gender Property (P21)
		-- The main are: male (Q6581097), female (Q6581072), transgender female (Q1052281), transgender male (Q2449503)
		if args.wd_entity then
			local gender = gender_from_wd(args.wd_entity)
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'female' then
				addCategory('Women authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender == 'transgender male' or gender == 'male' then
				addCategory('Male authors')
				addCategory('Author pages with gender in Wikidata')
			elseif gender then
				addCategory('Author pages with unknown gender in Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages with no gender in Wikidata')
			end
			if gender == 'transgender female' or gender == 'transgender male' then
				addCategory('Transgender and transsexual authors')
			end
		else
			addCategory('Author pages with gender manually categorised')
		end
		
		constructCategories(args.wd_entity)
		
		-- Categorisation of author pages with interwiki links (used for maintenance view only, links come from WD)
		if args.wikipedia then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikipedia')
		end
		if args.wikiquote then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikiquote')
		end
		if args.commons then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons')
		end
		if args.commonscat then
			addCategory('Author pages linking to Wikimedia Commons categories')
		end
		
		-- Whether page is connected to Wikidata
		if (args.namespace or current_title.nsText) == 'Author' then
			if args.wd_entity then
				addCategory('Author pages connected to Wikidata')
			else
				addCategory('Author pages not connected to Wikidata')
			end
		end
	end
	
	-- microformat
	local microformat = mw.html.create('div')
		:attr('id', 'ws-data')
		:addClass('vcard ws-noexport')
		:css({['display'] = 'none', ['speak'] = 'none'})
	local microformat_wikitext = {
		tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-article-id'):wikitext(current_title.id))
	}
	if args.wd_entity then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'wd-article-id')
				:wikitext(args.wd_entity.id)
			)
		)
	end
	if args.name_text then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-name')
				:addClass('fn')
				:wikitext(args.name_text)
			)
		)
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:addClass('n')
				:wikitext(table.concat({
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('given-name'):wikitext(firstname or '')),
					tostring(mw.html.create('span'):addClass('family-name'):wikitext(lastname or ''))
				}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.defaultsort then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-key'):wikitext(args.defaultsort)))
	end
	if args.image then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-image'):wikitext(args.image)))
	end
	if args.birthyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-birthdate')
				:addClass('bday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'birth', ['year'] = args.birthyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.deathyear then
		table.insert(
			microformat_wikitext,
			tostring(mw.html.create('span')
				:attr('id', 'ws-deathdate')
				:addClass('dday')
				:wikitext(date({['year_type'] = 'death', ['year'] = args.deathyear}))
			)
		)
	end
	if args.wikipedia then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikipedia'):wikitext(args.wikipedia)))
	end
	if args.wikiquote then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-wikiquote'):wikitext(args.wikiquote)))
	end
	if args.commonscat then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext(args.commonscat)))
	elseif args.commons then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-commons'):wikitext('Category' .. args.commons)))
	end
	if args.description then
		table.insert(microformat_wikitext, tostring(mw.html.create('span'):attr('id', 'ws-description'):addClass('note'):wikitext(args.description)))
	end
	microformat:wikitext(table.concat(microformat_wikitext))
	
	-- assemble
	local cats = ''
	if not args.nocat then
		cats = (args.categories or '') .. getCategories()
	end
	args.post_notes = image_display .. defaultsort_magicword .. cats .. tostring(microformat)
	args.wikidataswitch = true
	
	return mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag('templatestyles', '', {src = 'Template:Author/styles.css'}) .. construct_header(args)
end

-- for testing

function p._getCategories(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	p._author(args)
	return getCategories()
end
function p.getCategories(frame)
	return p._getCategories(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._date(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	args.year_type = args.year_type or args['type'] or 'birth'
	return date(args)
end
function p.date(frame)
	return p._date(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._lastInitial(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return lastInitial(args)
end
function p.lastInitial(frame)
	return p._lastInitial(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx'}))
-- Debugging 2: mw.log(p._lastInitial({wikidata = 'Q1107985'}))
-- Debugging 1: mw.log(p._lastInitial({lastname = 'Qqxxx'}))
-- Debugging 3: mw.log(p._lastInitial({last_initial = 'Qx', wikidata_id='Q1107985'}))

-- used by [[Module:Person]]

function p._dates(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return dates(args)
end
function p.dates(frame)
	return p._dates(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._get_image(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	if args.nocat then
		return get_image(args)
	else
		return get_image(args) .. getCategories()
	end
end
function p.get_image(frame)
	return p._get_image(getArgs(frame))
end

function p._construct_defaultsort(args)
	args = normalize_args(args)
	return construct_defaultsort(args)
end
function p.construct_defaultsort(frame)
	return p._construct_defaultsort(getArgs(frame))
end

-- Used by [[Module:Disambiguation]] and [[Template:Author]]
function p._author(args)
	return author(args)
end
function p.author(frame)
	return p._author(getArgs(frame))
end

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though her women may be fickle, her winds are not. 
Rain she sends at rain-time, and this having passed 
prayers are of no avail. 

Thus along the centuries seasons come and go, while 
over all diurnally sweeps the half-tropic sun. In the 
broad arch float flocks of light clouds, or spread out in 
long fleecy folds between which at night silently sails 
the melancholy moon. From the sparkling white on 
alpine domes the gray and golden sunlight smiles 
across the amphitheatre, enfolds the lustrous clouds 
which send shadows crawling along the mountain- 
side and over the plains, nods with its earliest rays to 
sleepy ocean, dances back from sea to snow-peak; 
then, palpitating in purple, it rises from violet-banks 
and grizzly hills, and mingles with the russet haze of 
the horizon, or creeps in tenderer tones through 
evanescent mists into deep canons and murky ravines, 
and glows warm and tremulous over the sombre 
shades below. 

Before descending to the more practical affairs of 
life in this region, I might point you out some of the 
so-called wonders of the arena-rim ; though I may 
say to you that long since I arrived at the conclusion 
that there is in heaven or earth no one thing more 
wonderful than another. With whatsoever we are un- 
familiar, that to us is wonderful when seen; wonder 
is but the exclamation of ignorance. 

Yonder at the northern end, lonely and white, 
stands Mount Shasta, girdled by lesser volcanic peaks 
that look like pigmies beside the monarch of the north 
which lifts its front so proudly above the solemn forest- 
sea that beats in mournful monotones upon its base. 
To one not cradled amid such sights its awful grandeur 
beside our puny life is crushing. Standing in the clear 
atmosphere, unrivalled and apart, like Orion it catches 
from over the eastern ridge the first rays of morning, 
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{larger|PLÁCIDO'S SONNET TO HIS MOTHER}}

{{larger|{{SIC|DESPIDA|DESPEDIDA}} A MI MADRE}}

(''En La Capilla'')}}

{{block center|&lt;poem&gt;:Si la suerte fatal que me ha cabido, 
Y el triste fin de mi sangrienta historia, 
Al salir de esta vida transitoria 
Deja tu corazon de muerte herido; 
:Baste de llanto: el ánimo afligido 
Recobre su quietud; moro en la gloria, 
Y mi plácida lira á tu memoria 
Lanza en la tumba su postrer sonido. 

:Sonido dulce, melodioso y santo, 
Glorioso, espiritual, puro y divino, 
Inocente, espontáneo como el llanto 
:Que vertiera al nacer: ya el cuello inclino! 
Ya de la religion me cubre el manto! 
Adios, mi madre! adios—El Peligrino.&lt;/poem&gt;}}
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and  he  immediately  ran  out,  when  he  was  requickened,  

crying  everywhere,  and  saying  thus,  

'There  is  One  God  in  Heaven  and  likewise  on  earth,    

He   who    is    the    God    of    the    Christians,    and    your    gods    are naught;  

they  can  neither  profit  themselves  nor  help  others.'  

Then  the  idolaters  were  sorely  troubled,  

and  cried  clamorously  against  the  believing  maiden,    

'Away,  away  quickly  with  the  cruel  witch,  

her  who  thus  by  her  witchcraft  perverts  men's  minds.'  

Then  the  Prefect  durst  do  nothing  against  the  heathen,  

but  left  his  deputy  to  stem  the  tumult,    

and  himself  went  away  sorrowful  in  mind,  

because  he  could  not  save  the  maiden  

from  the  idolators,  after  the  raising  of  his  son.  

&quot;Well,  then,  Aspasius,  the  deputy- Prefect,    

could  not  oppose  the  blood-thirsty  people,  

but  bade  men  kindle,  for  this  great  dishonour  (of  the  gods),  

a  very  great  fire,  and  bade  them  shove  her  into  the  midst.  

Then  was  it  so  done,  as  the  cruel  man  commanded,    

but  the  flame  instantly  divided  itself  into  two  parts,  

and  burned  up  those  who  had  made  the  tumult;  

and  the  blessed  Agnes  stood  unharmed  in  the  midst  of  the  fire,  

with  outstretched  hands,  thus  praying,    

'  Oh!    Thou  Almighty  God,  who  alone  art  to  be  adored,  

Terrible  Creator,  who  art  truly  to  be  worshipped.  

Father  of  my  Lord,  I  bless  Thee,  

for  that  I  have  escaped,  through  Thy  gracious  Son,    

the  threatenings  of  the  wicked,  and  also  the  filth  of  the  devil.  

Behold,  now  I  am  besprinkled  with  divine  dew,  

this  flame  is  divided,  and  the  unbelievers  are  consumed.  

I  bless  Thee,  Father,  who  art  to  be  proclaimed  God,    

that  I  may  pass  unfearful  through  the  fire  to  Thee.  

That  which  I  have  believed,  that  I  see ;  

that  which  I  have  hoped  for,  that  I  now  have;  

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Then appeared there Christ's Angel,  and raised the youth,  
and he immediately ran out,  when he was requickened,  
crying everywhere,  and saying thus,  
'There is One God in Heaven and likewise on earth,    
He who is the God of the Christians, and your gods are
:::naught;  
they can neither profit themselves nor help others.'  
Then the idolaters were sorely troubled,  
and cried clamorously against the believing maiden,    
'Away,  away quickly with the cruel witch,  
her who thus by her witchcraft perverts men's minds.'  
Then the Prefect durst do nothing against the heathen,  
but left his deputy to stem the tumult,    
and himself went away sorrowful in mind,  
because he could not save the maiden
from the idolators,  after the raising of his son.  
&quot;Well,  then,  Aspasius,  the deputy- Prefect,    
could not oppose the blood-thirsty people,  
but bade men kindle,  for this great dishonour  (of the gods),  
a very great fire,  and bade them shove her into the midst.  
Then was it so done,  as the cruel man commanded,    
but the flame instantly divided itself into two parts,  
and burned up those who had made the tumult;  
and the blessed Agnes stood unharmed in the midst of the fire,  
with outstretched hands,  thus praying,    
'  Oh!    Thou Almighty God,  who alone art to be adored,  
Terrible Creator,  who  art  truly  to  be  worshipped.  
Father  of  my  Lord,  I  bless  Thee,  
for  that  I  have  escaped,  through  Thy  gracious  Son,    
the  threatenings  of  the  wicked,  and  also  the  filth  of  the  devil.  
Behold,  now  I  am  besprinkled  with  divine  dew,  
this  flame  is  divided,  and  the  unbelievers  are  consumed.  
I  bless  Thee,  Father,  who  art  to  be  proclaimed  God,    
that  I  may  pass  unfearful  through  the  fire  to  Thee.  
That  which  I  have  believed,  that  I  see ;  
that  which  I  have  hoped  for,  that  I  now  have;
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{{ppoem|end=close|{{di|L|image=Pastorals Epistles Odes (1748) - Capital L type 1.png|imgsize=80px}}ITTLE ''Siren'' of the stage, 
Charmer of an idle age, 
Empty warbler, breathing lyre, 
Wanton gale of fond desire, {{pline|4|r}}
Bane of every manly art, {{em|9}}&lt;!-- to prevent wrapping of 2nd line --&gt;
Sweet enfeebler of the heart, 
O, too pleasing in thy strain, 
Hence, to southern climes again;  {{pline|8|r}}
Tuneful mischief, vocal spell, 
To this island bid farewel; 
Leave us as we ought to be, 
Leave the ''Britons'' rough and free. {{pline|12|r}}}}
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{{TOC row c|3|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_One|NUMBER ONE.]]}}

{{TOC row 1-dot-1||Good-Bye to Cleveland; The Kansas Pacific Route; Buffalos, Antelopes, and Prairie Dogs; A savory Stew; Denver and the Rocky Mountains; Greeley; Cheyenne to the Summit; Down grade to the Salt Lake Valley; The City of Deseret; Several landladies in One Hotel: Visit to the Theatre; The Prophet's Wives and Daughters; A Mormon audience|7–13}}

{{TOC row c|3|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Two|NUMBER TWO.]]}}

{{TOC row 1-dot-1||The Mormon City by daylight; Its location and surroundings; The Tabernacle; A Polygamist in theory, but not in practice; The Mormon Banker; Bishop and Colonel Little; Lo, the poor Indian; Not for Joe; No outsiders admitted; The Bishop's benediction; Interview with Brigham Young; He is not Posted in Politics; But too shrewd to be caught napping; Solution of the Mormon problem|14–20}}

{{TOC row c|3|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Three|NUMBER THREE.]]}}

{{TOC row 1-dot-1||From Ogden over the Central Pacific; Alkali and sage brush; The Sierra Nevadas; Rounding Cape Horn; Glimpse at the Golden State; San Francisco Approached at night; Aladdin's Lamp; Hotels, Stores and Public Buildings; Churches and Schools; Starr King; The Cliff House and the Lions; Lone Mountain Cemetery; Mission Dolores; The Chinese; Adieu|21–24}}

{{TOC row c|3|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Four|NUMBER FOUR.]]}}

{{TOC row 1-dot-1||Pacific Mail Steamers; Splendid Ships; Creditable to America; Chinese Passengers; How John Chinaman eats; Chop-Sticks lively and useful tools; Smoking Opium; An Invitation declined; The Opium Trade; England's shame; A Day lost; Thrown overboard; Our Thanksgiving and Christmas ahead; Fusiyama almost in Sight; The first glimpse of Asia|25–30}}

{{TOC row c|3|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Five|NUMBER FIVE.]]}}

{{TOC row 1-dot-1||A pleasant Sunday; The Pacific Gulf Stream and what came of it; A Typhoon; Frightful scenes on ship; Cyclones ahead of Hatteras; Peruvian repentant; The dangers over; All's Well that ends well; A Bright Morning after the gales; Good resolutions forgotten; A Genuine Thanksgiving|31–34}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{TOC end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{c|''Christ  is  taken  down  from  the  Cross. ''}}

V.     We  adore  Thee,  O  Lord  Jesus  Christ,  and  bless  Thee. 

R.     Because  by  Thy  holy  Cross  Thou  hast  redeemed  the  world. 

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{{di|T||image=Small Drop Cap T.jpg|imgsize=50px}}HIS  Station  represents  the  place  where  Christ's  most  sacred  body  was  taken 
down  from  the  Cross  by  Joseph  and  Nicodemus,  and  laid  in  the  bosom  of  His 
weeping  Mother. 

Consider  the  sighs  and  tears  of  the  Virgin  Mother,  with  what  pangs  she 
embraced  the  bloody  remains  of  her  beloved  Jesus.  Here  unite  your  tears  with  those  of 
the  disconsolate  Mother.  Reflect  that  your  Jesus would  not  descend  from  the  Cross  until 
He  consummated  the  work  of  redemption;  and  that  at  His  departure  from,  as  well  as  at 
His  entrance  into  the  world,  He  would  be  placed  in  the  bosom  of  His  beloved  Mother. 
Hence  learn  constancy  in  your  pious  resolutions!  cleave  to  the  standard  of  the  Cross. 
Consider  with  what  purity  that  soul  should  be  adorned  which  receives,  in  the  blessed 
Sacrament  of  the  Eucharist,  Christ's  most  sacred  body  and  blood. 

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{{di|O|image=Imitationofchrist-letter-A.png|imgsize=50px}}T  LENGTH,  O  Blessed  Virgin !  Mother  of  sorrow!  thou  art  permitted 
to  embrace  thy  beloved  Son.  But  alas!  the  fruit  of  thy  immaculate  womb 
is  all  over  mangled,  in  one  continued  wound.  Yes,  O  Lord!  the  infernal 
fury  of  the  Jews  has  at  length  triumphed;  yet  we  renew  their  barbarity, 
crucifying  Thee  by  our  sins,  inflicting  new  wounds.  Most  afflicted  mother  of  my 
Redeemer,  I  conjure  thee  by  the  pains  and  torments  thou  sufferedst  in  the  common 
cause  of  Salvation,  to  obtain  for  me,  by  thy  powerful  intercession,  pardon  of  my  sins, 
and  grace  to  weep  with  a  sympathizing  feeling,  thine  and  thy  Son's  afflictions.  As  often 
as  I  appear  at  the  Holy  Sacrifice  of  the  Mass,  let  me  embrace  Thee,  my  Jesus,  in  the 
bosom  of  my  heart.  May  I  worthily  receive  Thee  as  the  sacred  pledge  of  my  salvation. 
Amen,  Jesus. 

Our  Father,  &amp;amp;c.     Hail  Mary,  &amp;amp;c.    Glory,  &amp;amp;c.

Jesus  Christ  crucified,  have  mercy  on  us!

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When  from  the  Cross  they  took  this  blessed  form. 
His  Mother  cries,  my  Son,  I  am  forlorn; 
My  child  is  dead,  you  virgins  join  with  me. 
Bewail  in  tears  my  love's  sad  destiny. 
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Miscellaneous additional Latin writings:

* '''[[Author:Lucius Apuleius|Lucius Apuleius]]''' — ''[[The Golden Asse]]'' (''Asinus aureus'')
* '''[[Author:Petronius|Petronius]]''' — ''[[The Satyricon of Petronius Arbiter|The Satyricon]]''
* '''[[Author:Seneca|Seneca]]''' — ''[[The Satire of Seneca on the Apotheosis of Claudius/Translation|Apocolocyntosis]]''
* '''[[Author:Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus|Suetonius]]''' — ''[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]'' • ''[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]'' • ''[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars]]''
* '''[[Author:Tacitus|Tacitus]]''' — ''[[Agricola]]'' • ''[[Germania]]''
* '''[[Author:Vitruvius|Vitruvius]]''' — [[Ten Books on Architecture]]

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Miscellaneous additional Latin writings:

* '''[[Author:Lucius Apuleius|Lucius Apuleius]]''' — ''[[The Golden Asse]]'' (''Asinus aureus'')
* '''[[Author:Petronius|Petronius]]''' — ''[[The Satyricon of Petronius Arbiter|The Satyricon]]''
* '''[[Author:Seneca|Seneca]]''' — ''[[The Satire of Seneca on the Apotheosis of Claudius/Translation|Apocolocyntosis]]''
* '''[[Author:Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus|Suetonius]]''' — ''[[The Lives of the Twelve Caesars]]'' • ''[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]'' • ''[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]''
* '''[[Author:Tacitus|Tacitus]]''' — ''[[Agricola]]'' • ''[[Germania]]''
* '''[[Author:Vitruvius|Vitruvius]]''' — [[Ten Books on Architecture]]

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That may convey my greetings, love, to thee;

and the answer of Juliet, 

&quot;O, think'st thou, we shall ever meet again? &quot; 

was even trembling on her lips when, 
suddenly, to the consternation and horror 
of all, there arose the terrific cry of, 

&quot;Fire! fir 3! the theatre is on fire!&quot; 

Heavens! what a scene ensued and 
what feelings came over me! Never shall 
I forget either. In a moment all was 
frightful confusion, as each sought to gain 
the street. Startling shrieks, appalling 
yells, and hideous groans, resounded on 
all sides. Hundreds, I might say thou 
sands, rushed pell-mell to the doors, to es 
cape the devouring element, which, already 
lapping the combustible scenery, was seen 
shooting upward its lurid tongues, and 
heard hissing, and snapping, and crackling, 
in its rapid progress over the devoted build 
ing. I grasped the arm of my friend, and 
cried : &quot; Rush, Charley, for your life!&quot; and 
sprang forward. 

The next moment I felt myself seized 
from behind, and the voice of my friend 
Khouted in my ear : 

&quot;Hold! Frank we must save her!&quot; 

&quot;Whom?&quot; 

&quot;Yonder! See! they have crowded her 
back! and now great God! she has 
fallen over into the pit!&quot; 

I looked in the direction indicated by 
the finger of Huntly, and beheld a beau 
tiful female, vainly struggling to reach the 
door. As he spoke, a sudden rush for 
ward crowded her back to the railing 
which divided her from the excited mass 
of beings in the pit. One moment she 
balanced on the railing, and the next, with 
a cry of terror, fell upon the heads of 
those below. At any other time she 
would ,have been cared for; but now all 
were wild with terror, and thought only 
of themselves; and instead of seeking to 
aid, they allowed her to sink under their 
feet. Save my friend and I, no one seemed 
to heed her. With a cry of horror, I 
leaped forward to rescue her from a horri 
ble death But my friend was already 
before me. One bound, and Charles 
Huntly was among the wedged mass be 
low, and exerting all his strength to reach 
the prostrate form of the lady, who was 


now being trod to death under the feet of 
the rushing multitude. I would have 
sprang over the railing myself, but I saw 
it would be useless; one was better than 
two; and I paused and watched the pro 
gress of my friend with an anxiety better 
imagined than described. 

So dense was the mass, so closely 
wedged, that for a time all the efforts of 
Huntly to reach the unfortunate creature 
were vain; while the glaring light, and 
the roar of the flames, as they eagerly 
leaped forward to the dome over headj 
rendered the scene truly dismal and awful. 

At length the crowd grew thinner, as 
it poured through the open doorway; and 
renewing his exertions, my friend shortly 
gained the side of the unknown. He 
stooped down to raise her, and I trembled 
for his safety, for I saw numbers fairly 
pressing upon him. &quot;With a Herculean 
effort, that must Lave 'exhausted all his 
animal powers, I beheld him rise to his 
feet, with the fair unknown seemingly 
lifeless in his arms. I uttered a cry of joy, 
as he staggered toward me with his burden. 

&quot;Quick! quick! this way give her 
here!&quot; I shouted, bending over the rail 
ing and extending my arms toward her. 

Huntly staggered forward, and the next 
moment my grasp was upon her, and she 
was in my arms. 

&quot;Fly! Frank fast for God's sake!
and give her air!&quot; gasped Huntly, in a 
faint, exhausted tone. 

I cast one glance at her pale, lovely fea 
tures, on which were a few spots of blood, 
from a contusion on the head, and then 
darted over the benches to the door, bid 
ding my friend follow, but looking not 
behind. 

The boxes were now empty, and the 
doors but slightly blocked, so that I had 
little difficulty, to use a stage expression, 
in making my exit. The street, however, 
was crowded with those just escaped, and 
others attracted hither by the alarm of 
tire. All was excitement and dismay. 
Parents were rushing to and fro, seeking 
their children children their parents;
wives and maidens their husbands and 
lovers, and vice versa. 

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Arrival in Japan; Bay of Yeddo; Junks and Fishing Boats; Harbor of Yokohama; No hacks, but fat and jolly porters; A Good European Hotel; Situation of Yokohama; A former American Consul disgraces his country; Bettos or Grooms; Their unique dress; Out for a walk; Japanese Group; How they are dressed; A Paradise of babies; Married Women sacrifice their beauty; A pair of Moos-mies; A Jaconin; Street Performers; Porters and Coolies; “Ohaio and Saionara”......................... 35{{--}}41

{{c|NUMBER SEVEN.}}
The Shops, and how customers are treated; Very sharp at a bargain; The Currency; Mexican Silver Dollars the standard; Pasteboard money drives out coin; A Financial smash not improbable; Calculating Machines; Chinamen in Yokohama; Statistics of trade with this country; Political sketch of Japan; The Mikado and the Tycoon; A Dual Government; The late Civil War; North against the South; A great mistake; The Mikado triumphs and the Tycoon is deposed; The British Minister omnipotent in Foreign Affairs; Americans can take a back seat......42–49

{{c|NUMBER EIGHT.}}
An Excursion to Daibutz; Japanese Horses; Country roads and shady lanes; Hedges unrivalled in the world; Everybody in Japan knows “Ohaio”; Large crops with rude implements; Two Trilogies, One poetical and one true; Kamakura and its Temples; Colossal Statue of Buddha; A wonderful work of art; A Sacrilegious Betto; A Japanese dinner; The Original Grecian Bend; The ride back; A Funeral procession; A Pleasant experience leaves a painful impression.......................... ........ 50–55

{{c|NUMBER NINE.}}
The {{sc|Leader}}’s Correspondent in Luck; Interviewing one of the Royal Family; No show for a high private, but a colonel can go in; His High Mightiness good natured and affable; Inquiry after Mr. Emperor President Grant’s Health; A short lesson in History and Geography; Invited to Yeddo; The Officers curious but very courteous; Homage paid to Royalty in Europe as well as Asia; Americans Can’t See It........................................ 56–60

{{c|NUMBER TEN.}}
Excursion to Yeddo; A Cosmopolitan turnout; The Asiatic has no rights the African is bound to respect; An Undress Uniform; Musicians without melody; Blind Beggars; A State Carriage; Norimons and Cangos; A Traveling Dentist; A Fashionable Tea House; Suggestion to Young Housekeepers; Grimalkin minus the tail; Fancy Pigs; Cheap and primitive clothing; The Unfortunate Mr. Richardson; A Family Moving; Young sprigs of aristocracy; Sinagawa; Inside the Capital......................... 61–67

{{c|NUMBER ELEVEN.}}
A Spanish Legend; Wonderful progress in three years; “Foreign Devils” now treated as equals; Curious but respectful; The Mikado’s Castle; A Progressive Ruler and People; Residences of the Daimios; Mount Atango; A Beautiful view; A Doubtful Legend; Frequent fires and no insurance; Temples of Shiva; Cleanliness not reverence required; Catholic or Buddhist; Christian or Pagan; An Enormous Bell; Stone Lanterns; Spirits over the water; Pic-Nic Grounds.............................. .......... 68–73&lt;noinclude&gt;{{TOC end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Arrival in Japan; Bay of Yeddo; Junks and Fishing Boats; Harbor of Yokohama; No hacks, but fat and jolly porters; A Good European Hotel; Situation of Yokohama; A former American Consul disgraces his country; Bettos or Grooms; Their unique dress; Out for a walk; Japanese Group; How they are dressed; A Paradise of babies; Married Women sacrifice their beauty; A pair of Moos-mies; A Jaconin; Street Performers; Porters and Coolies; “Ohaio and Saionara”......................... 35{{--}}41

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Seven|NUMBER SEVEN.]]}}
The Shops, and how customers are treated; Very sharp at a bargain; The Currency; Mexican Silver Dollars the standard; Pasteboard money drives out coin; A Financial smash not improbable; Calculating Machines; Chinamen in Yokohama; Statistics of trade with this country; Political sketch of Japan; The Mikado and the Tycoon; A Dual Government; The late Civil War; North against the South; A great mistake; The Mikado triumphs and the Tycoon is deposed; The British Minister omnipotent in Foreign Affairs; Americans can take a back seat......42–49

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Eight|NUMBER EIGHT.]]}}
An Excursion to Daibutz; Japanese Horses; Country roads and shady lanes; Hedges unrivalled in the world; Everybody in Japan knows “Ohaio”; Large crops with rude implements; Two Trilogies, One poetical and one true; Kamakura and its Temples; Colossal Statue of Buddha; A wonderful work of art; A Sacrilegious Betto; A Japanese dinner; The Original Grecian Bend; The ride back; A Funeral procession; A Pleasant experience leaves a painful impression.......................... ........ 50–55

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Nine|NUMBER NINE.]]}}
The {{sc|Leader}}’s Correspondent in Luck; Interviewing one of the Royal Family; No show for a high private, but a colonel can go in; His High Mightiness good natured and affable; Inquiry after Mr. Emperor President Grant’s Health; A short lesson in History and Geography; Invited to Yeddo; The Officers curious but very courteous; Homage paid to Royalty in Europe as well as Asia; Americans Can’t See It........................................ 56–60

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Ten|NUMBER TEN.]]}}
Excursion to Yeddo; A Cosmopolitan turnout; The Asiatic has no rights the African is bound to respect; An Undress Uniform; Musicians without melody; Blind Beggars; A State Carriage; Norimons and Cangos; A Traveling Dentist; A Fashionable Tea House; Suggestion to Young Housekeepers; Grimalkin minus the tail; Fancy Pigs; Cheap and primitive clothing; The Unfortunate Mr. Richardson; A Family Moving; Young sprigs of aristocracy; Sinagawa; Inside the Capital......................... 61–67

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Eleven|NUMBER ELEVEN.]]}}
A Spanish Legend; Wonderful progress in three years; “Foreign Devils” now treated as equals; Curious but respectful; The Mikado’s Castle; A Progressive Ruler and People; Residences of the Daimios; Mount Atango; A Beautiful view; A Doubtful Legend; Frequent fires and no insurance; Temples of Shiva; Cleanliness not reverence required; Catholic or Buddhist; Christian or Pagan; An Enormous Bell; Stone Lanterns; Spirits over the water; Pic-Nic Grounds.............................. .......... 68–73&lt;noinclude&gt;{{TOC end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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It is Wednesday evening, and we are informed that the theater, one of the Mormon institutions, is open on this and Saturday evenings, so we hasten up the street two or three squares to this temple of histrionic art, regardless of mud, vain and darkness, gaslight being here unknown. We are a little late, but paying a dollar for {{errata|one|our}} ticket we quietly make our way to near the center of the parquette, with a view to see the audience rather than the play.

The theater is plainly finished, painted white, without gilding or fresco. Four tiers of boxes rise one above another from the parquette to the ceiling, and it will seat about two thousand five hundred people. To-night it is but partly filled, awing to the mud and rain, but the audience seems in a very appreciative and enjoyable mood. After glancing quietly around for a few minutes I asked an intelligent looking man in front of me whether President Young is here. “No sir, he is not here to-night, as usual, as he has just returned today from Provo and is tired out.” Encouraged by his polite answer I ventured to inquire if any of his wives are present. “Oh, yes, those two ladies in the proscenium or stage box are his wives, and that little boy with them is his son, and there,” pointing to a private box on the right, “are a dozen or mere of his daughters.” For the next fifteen minutes my opera glass was directed as often as could be done without attracting attention to the
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To morrow I must see the institutions, call on the Mormon prophet and the elders, an account of which will be found in my next letter.
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This city contains about 25,000 inhabitants, and its appearance is very attractive. The houses are nearly all built of ''adobe,'' or sundried brick, and if mare than two stories in height, the upper one is built of wood, as is the case with the Theater and some other public buildings.

The first place visited this morning was the Square, inclosed by a high adobe wall, which contains the Tabernacle and the foundations of the Temple. There is an entrance from the street on each of the four sides. Passing in by the east gate, I found the Superintendent, who very politely showed me everything of interest. The Tabernacle, which takes the place of the former “Bowery,” is an immense building, oval in form, 250 feet long by 130 wide; the roof of wood, and self-supporting, being 80 feet in height. From the outside it has the appearance of an immense dish-cover. The audience room one of the largest in the world, will seat by measurement 13,000 people. It contains an organ bull entirely by Mormon mechanics that is second in size only to that in Boston Music Hall. This immense room is a perfect Whispering gallery, the arched form of the ceiling carrying the slightest sound from one extreme end to the other without echo. A gallery extends around the whole interior, and my conductor says that the ordinary congregation on Sunday is from 8,000 to 10,000 people, but he has sees 14,500 here on one occasion. There is no means of heating this immense building, and a smaller tabernacle is used in winter, which will seat 3,000. My informant is an intelligent man, English by birth, has been here eighteen years, and in answer to my inquiries talks with apparent {{hws|frank|frankness}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The great disparity of surface on this globe between land and water is forced upon our minds by the thought that we have now for twenty-one days been pushing steadily westward over the vast desert of waters, and have seen neither land nor sail. Day after day is the same dreary expanse, and during the twenty-five days from San Francisco to Japan it is rarely that a vessel of any kind is seen. When about eight days out, and 1,800 miles from lard, we anxiously watched for the smoke of the eastern bound steamer, hoping to meet her and exchange mails. For two days we had all been writing letters full of last parting words to dear ones at home, but to our great disappointment we missed seeing her, having probably passed during the night, which was cloudy, so that the smoke or lights could not have been seen more than eight or ten miles away. It would seem surprising that we had ''any'' chance to meet on this trackless Pacific. Night and day there has been no cessation of the steady clang of the machinery, the quiver and crackling of the immense steamer, as she pushes westward ten miles an hour, never varying from her course, end regardless alike of wind or storm. We have seen old Ocean in all his moods{{--}}for days smooth and glassy, reflecting the bright sun and cloudless sky with scarcely a ripple, reminding me of Lake Erie in midsummer. Then gathering clouds and the angry waves lashed into fury, tossing our huge ship to and fro&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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On Monday, 14th of November, we passed the 180th meridian from Greenwich, and were just half round the world from London. At this time my watch{{--}}set in Cleveland{{--}}was eight hours too fast, and when the dinner gong rounded at five o’clock, it was one o’clock at night in Cleveland and five {{sc|a. m.}} in England. It makes one feel that he is indeed far away when his noon lunch or “tiffin” comes at the moment when his friends are seated round the evening lamp in that quiet room at home to which his mind so fondly turns. But to us the day following Monday, the 14th, was Wednesday, 16th of November. Tuesday, the 15th was an unknown day{{--}} dropped in the bosom of the Pacific ocean. This will make our calendar agree with that of China and the East Indias, who have taken theirs from the Europeans coming eastward round the world. We are now eleven hours ahead of London and fifteen ahead of Cleveland. In a few days we shall eat our five o’clock Thanksgiving dinner long before daylight on the lake shore, and my Christmas at Shanghai will be thirteen and a half hours ahead of Cleveland. The day lost is past recovery to us who go on round the world, but it will be picked up by the steamer on her return, and if she should pass the 180th meridian on Sunday, the 23th of December, her passengers will have two Sundays in that week and a duplicate Christmas for 1870.

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Our ride back was by an entirely different route, and our “Betto” several times lost the way. The country people were very kind in directing us, and in several cases insisted upon going along quite a distance to show the road. Just before reaching town we met a funeral procession, headed by priests, and a band of musicians playing upon samisens, a sort of banjo, and small drums, or ''tom toms.'' White is the color of mourning in both Japan and Chinas. The coffins are large earthen jars, the Japanese being buried as he lives, with his heels tucked under him, in a sitting posture. This has the advantage of saving space in cemeteries, which is increased by burning the bodies of the poorer classes, and burying the ashes in still smaller jars. Their funerals are always at sunset, and they have a strange superstition against sleeping or being buried with their heads to the north. In sleeping rooms the points of the compass are frequently marked on the ceiling, that the sleeping mats may be placed in the right direction.

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{{c|{{sc|Yeddo, Japan}}, December, 1870.}}

A fruitful soil, a fine climate and an industrious people seems to be all that can be desired for any country in the way of material elements of prosperity, unless they are in the case described in an old legend of Spain, which tells how St. Jago, the Patron Saint of Iberia, went to his master and begged some special favor for the country he had adopted. And, first, he asked for a fertile soil, for a fine climate, for brave sons to defend, and for fair daughters to grace it, all of which were successively granted. Emboldened by his success he asked that they should be blessed with a good government. When his master, according to the Spanish version, either wearied with so much importunity, or in a spirit of justice to other lands, by way of compensation for so many rich gifts, replied with emphasis, “That was a blessing they would never have.” And how all other advantages have been neutralized by the want of this one crowning gift is shown on the page of history.

Japan under the servile abuses of the feudal system, which for centuries has drawn the life blood from her common people, may be classed with Spain, as a country blessed with every material element of prosperity, except a good government, But a change is taking place more rapidly than ever before in the history of this nation. But&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In histrionic art the Chinese are far inferior to the Japanese. I saw a play acted at the Yeddo theater that showed an appreciation of the proprieties of “mimic life” that would be creditable in Europe or America. They had a revolving stage and very fair scenery, The acting in some parts was positively good, particularly the “old man” who in dress and manner, for of course it was all pantomime to me, reminded me of Ellsler at the Academy of Music. There were none of the absurdities which the Chinese auditors view with so much gravity, and frequent outbursts of laughter showed that the ‘‘Japs” appreciated the humorous passages of the play.

While walking yesterday along the Nankin road, in the Chinese quarters of Shanghai, I encountered a curious procession, and stepping into Chee-Kiang’s shop I inquired in my best “pigeon English” what it all meant. Mr. “Chee” politely informed me that it was a wedding party, and explained to me in that particular dialect, which is the only medium of communication between natives and foreigners, some particulars which may be of interest to the reader. First came a dozen musicians beating gongs and blowing horns, each one apparently on his own account, and making the most ear-piercing and discordant article ever conceived of under the name of “music.” They were dressed in fantastic costume of which yellow seemed the predominant color. Then a lot of boys carrying flags and lanterns, of which they seemed very proud. After them several coolies bearing between them the show presents, boxes and bales, including, I presume, the ''trousseau'' of the bride. Then a long procession of the bride’s relations, all dressed in holiday attire, looking especially festive and jolly, as if bound to make a day of it, for behind them followed more coolies, loaded with baskets of fruit and every variety of eatables, among which I noticed a roast pig, brown and crisp, and done to a turn. These were to set off the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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stamp. How it found its way here to the
interior of the Celestial Empire is to me a
mystery.

The next day was devoted to temples,
pagodas and public buildings, only a few of
which I have space to mention. The “Temple
of the 500 Genii,” where that number of
hideous wooden idols are ranged around the
interior of a large building, looking like a
lot of tobacconists signs, once gay with
paint and gilding, but now dusty and
dilapidated. The Temple of Confucius—where
there is a colossal statue of
that old sage. The roof and decorations at
this temple are painted green—to him the
sacred color. We entered the court-yard
by a side door, and my guide pointed out
the front gate, and just inside the inclosure {{sic}}
a small bridge, over which, he said, no one
had ever passed but the Emperor. Desiring
what Margaret Fuller calls “a universal
experience,” I told Orr-Kum to engage
the attention of the attending priest, while
I quietly slipped round and passed over the
bridge hitherto sacred to the foot of the
Chinese “Son of Heaven.”

In the “Temple of Longevity” was a fat
and jolly looking old idol, with six hands.
He was reclining on his sido, {{sic}} with mouth
wide open, apparently enjoying a hearty
laugh. This is consistent with the idea
that length of days is promoted by good
humor. As I lit my cigar from a joss-stick
burning in front of this “jolly old cove,”
the attendant glared at me with astonishment,
but the usual ''doceur'' of a small piece
of silver reconciled him to my seeming irreverence.

The “Flower Pagoda” was the most
charming of all the sights in Canton. No
hideous idols here, but beautiful flowers of
every hue render it fit place {{sic}} of worship for
Christian or heathen.

The execution ground is a small court
surrounded by high walls. Here 75,000
rebels were executed in a single year during
the Taeping rebellion.

We visited the Examination Halls at the
southeast angle of the city wall. This is
used once every three years at the competitive
examinations. Here, ranged in long
rows, are 14,000 cells each 3⅛ by 6 feet,
where the candidates are isolated during
the examination, being allowed only writing
material to compose their theses. Only
five months ago all these cells were occupied.

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of the city which has a population of over
600,000. It is situated on a broad piain on the
left bank and but little raised above the Hooghly,
100 miles from its mouth, and extends
nearly five miles along the shore. Above
“Garden Reach,” on our right is the residence
of the ex King of Oude. The grounds
have a frontage of half a mile on the river,
and include several detached palaces vast
in size and gaudy in decorations. Among
them is a Mosque, whose gilt dome surmounted
by a crescent glitters in the sun.
Here the King keeps up a {{SIC|music|mimic}} court upon
an allowance of two {{SIC|lacs|lakhs}} of rupees, $100,000,
a month from the government. He is said
to be a profligate old scamp, with a hundred
or more wives, and is surrounded by a set
of native princes and rajahs, who are altogether
a bad lot. Always notorious for debauchery,
he has now become infamous for
his vices. Although his income is over a
million dollars a year he spends nearly
double that sum, and runs so recklessly into
debt that the government has lately appointed
a guardian to check his extravagance.

We anchor opposite the “old fort ''Ghaut'',”
an Indian word signifying ''steps'', the public
landing, which rises in a broad flight of
stone steps from the water's edge to the top
of the bank. The deck is instantly swarming
with the native Bengalese boatmen who
chatter like a lot of black-birds. A dozen
or more seize my baggage, hurry it into a
boat and in a few minutes I am on the soil
of India. As soon as the boat touches the
jetty a dozen more of these black fellows,
tall and slender, whose long, lank arms and
spindle legs make them look like a flock of
half starved crows, pounce upon my trunks,
carry them up the steps and pile them on a
gharry. It is useless to contend, so I quietly
submit, and climb into the carriage for
protection. The magpies surround the
gharry, each clamorous after pay for a service
which a single Irish porter could easily
have performed in two minutes. Not one
of these coolies has any other clothing than
a strip of dirty white cotton cloth around
the loins. I had procured from the purser
of the ship a handful of copper coin
which I scatter at random among the
crowd and shout to the driver to go
on. In a quarter of an hour we reach
the &quot;Great Eastern Hotel,” where
I am saluted by another crowd
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it so long against overwhelming numbers,
and of the self-denying heroism of the
women and children, who perished uncomplainingly
in its cellars. In the church
yard adjoining which is kept in perfect
order and beautifully decorated with flowers,
are buried those who perished during the
siege.

The armies under Generals Campbell and
Havelock were twice repulsed in trying to
penetrate to their relief, and the garrison
were ready to despair, when the fainting
girl raised ber head and cried, “Dinna ye
hear the slogan?” Her quick ear had caught
the sound of the bag-pipes, and the familiar
air of her native Highlands, “The Campbells
are coming.”

Upon the tomb of Sir Henry Lawrence is
the simple inscription, “''Here lies Sir Henry''
''Lawrence, who tried to do his duty.''” About
two miles from Lucknow on the Cawnpore
road is the ''Alumbagh'', formerly a garden
palace of the King of Oude. In the center of
this garden rest the remains of Sir Henry
Havelock, &quot;the Christian soldier,” A plain
stone obelisk marks his grave.

The atrocities of the mutineers at Cawnpore
and Lucknow aroused the worst passions
of the British soldiers. These were
the deeds of a race of half-civilized pagans.
By what name can we call the horribie cruelties
by which there deeds were avenged?
For every English victim a score of natives
suffered death. The horrors of blowing
prisoners from the mouth of cannon have
never been half told. When all civilized
nations were shocked at the barbarity of
these proceedings the perpetrators became
cautious about mentioning the subject to
strangers.

On the railwey between Cawnpore and
Lucknow I met a &quot;guard,” who was an officer
in the army during the mutiny, and
from whom, by judicious questioning, I 
drew some particulars on this subject. He
related among other things the method of
execution. It was a string of helpless men
tied in front of a cannon, a few pounds of
powder, and that was all. “A very simple
method, you eee,&quot; said he. “Did they submit
quietly?” I asked. &quot;Oh, yes, they are
all fatalists in their religion, and sometimes
didn’t need to be tied; but I remember one
keen-eyed fellow, who cursed me as I was
tying him up, and said he would come back
as a crow and pick out my eyes.” “How
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it so long against overwhelming numbers,
and of the self-denying heroism of the
women and children, who perished uncomplainingly
in its cellars. In the church
yard adjoining which is kept in perfect
order and beautifully decorated with flowers,
are buried those who perished during the
siege.

The armies under Generals Campbell and
Havelock were twice repulsed in trying to
penetrate to their relief, and the garrison
were ready to despair, when the fainting
girl raised ber head and cried, “Dinna ye
hear the slogan?” Her quick ear had caught
the sound of the bag-pipes, and the familiar
air of her native Highlands, “The Campbells
are coming.”

Upon the tomb of Sir Henry Lawrence is
the simple inscription, “''Here lies Sir Henry''
''Lawrence, who tried to do his duty.''” About
two miles from Lucknow on the Cawnpore
road is the ''Alumbagh'', formerly a garden
palace of the King of Oude. In the center of
this garden rest the remains of Sir Henry
Havelock, &quot;the Christian soldier,” A plain
stone obelisk marks his grave.

The atrocities of the mutineers at Cawnpore
and Lucknow aroused the worst passions
of the British soldiers. These were
the deeds of a race of half-civilized pagans.
By what name can we call the horribie cruelties
by which there deeds were avenged?
For every English victim a score of natives
suffered death. The horrors of blowing
prisoners from the mouth of cannon have
never been half told. When all civilized
nations were shocked at the barbarity of
these proceedings the perpetrators became
cautious about mentioning the subject to
strangers.

On the railwey between Cawnpore and
Lucknow I met a &quot;guard,” who was an officer
in the army during the mutiny, and
from whom, by judicious questioning, I 
drew some particulars on this subject. He
related among other things the method of
execution. It was a string of helpless men
tied in front of a cannon, a few pounds of
powder, and that was all. “A very simple
method, you eee,&quot; said he. “Did they submit
quietly?” I asked. &quot;Oh, yes, they are
all fatalists in their religion, and sometimes
didn’t need to be tied; but I remember one
keen-eyed fellow, who cursed me as I was
tying him up, and said he would come back
as a crow and pick out my eyes.” “How
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inlaid with precious stones, and inscribed
with Persian characters. This
chamber has no light but that reflected
through the entrance, which falls directly
on the marble tombs, greatly increasing the
solemnity of the effect.

Not satisfied with having seen the Taj by
the light of the sun, we resolved to view it
again by night, illuminated by blue-lights;
and it would have been a loss to have missed
this aspect of the wonderful building.
The many hangers-on who call themselves
“guardians,” will arrange the exhibition for
a few rupees. Standing midway down the
long garden walk we witnessed the brilliant
illumination from minarets and terraces, the
exquisite outline of the building thrown
into striking relief on the dark sky, rendering
the scene almost fairy-like, as in an instant,
when the lights were extinguished
the building vanished from sight.

Bishep Heber has said, ‘The Pathans designed
like Titans and finished like jewelers”
Great as are the dimensions of the
Taj it is as laboriously finished as a Chinese
casket carved in ivory. It cost fifteen million
dollars and was twenty years in building.
An old Persian manuscript gives a
minute description af the Taj, in exaggerated
Eastern phraseolegy, giving the quantity
of the diferent marbles used, the names
and cost of the various precious stones, many
of which were received as tributes from different
nations under the Emperor’s rule;
and in referring to its origin, says: “''Love was its author; Beauty its inspiration.''”

Next to their Mosques, the Mussulmen
conquerors of India seem to have delighted
in lavishing wealth upon their tombs. It is
said that the Tombs of the Turks and Moguls
form a complete and unbroken series of
architectural monuments from the first year
of the Moslem invasion to the present hour.
In no country of the world do we find such
wondrously beautiful sepulchers, in such a
perfect state of preservation. They were
built to last for all time, and the designs
show us how much we have yet to learn before
we can hope to rival the magnificence
and exquisite beauty found in the Tombs
and Palaces of the Mahometan era.

Leaving Agra with regret, and looking
often back at the beautiful dome of the Taj,
which can be seen for miles away, in five
hours we reached Delhi, the famed capital
of the Moslem Kings, which is situated on
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{{hi|'''Return Southwards—Jubbalpore—Legend of the Nerbudda—The Marble Rocks—Prison of the Thugs—Traveling Companions—A Cigar Well Invested—The Russian Question—Will The Russian Bear Drive the English Bull out of India?'''}}

{{sc|Bombay, India}}, March 1871.

We now retrace our steps from Saharunpore
to Allahabad, 500 miles, and here turn
to the southward in the direction of Bombay,
850 miles distant. We gradually
climb the Ghants, a long range of mountains
stretching across India from West to East;
and in ten hours had assended 1000 feet
and reached Jubbalpore, one of the most
important cities of central India. It is situated
on the Nerbudda, a large and rapid
stream, which has its source in a flat-topped
mountain, forming the eastern terminus of
this range of hills. The legend is that Her
Majesty, the Nerbudda, and another river,
rising in the same mountain, had intended
to be united in marriage, and to roll their
waters together toward the eastern seas;
but the course of true love failed to run
smooth; the little river Jobille, which has
its source hard by, cast in the apple of discord,
and Her Majesty declared she would
not go a single pace in the same direction
with such wretches, and would flow ''west'',
though all the other rivers in India might
flow ''east''. So west she turned, and after a
thousand miles of wandering, pours her
waters into the Arabian Sea.

Ten miles trom Jubbalpore are the celebrated
“Marble Rocks,” where the petulant
Nerbudda, beeoming pent up between limestone
rocks, flings herself tumultuously over
a ledge with a fall of thirty feet, called the
“Misty Shoot,” then enters a deeply-cut
channel, carved through a mass of marble
and basalt for about two miles. The river
is here compressed into some twenty yards,
though more than five fimes that width
above the falls, and glides along in its narrow
bed very smoothly and with great
depth, between a double wall of marble
from fifty to eighty feet in height. In some
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which has a bluish-green tint, is most curious
and weird-like, especially when seen
by moonlight. Even at mid-day the utter
silence and solitude of the spot—as if the
spectator were left alone with the
Nerbudda in her marble dwelling—
strike the senses with a sort of awe.

The streets of Jubbalpore are wide and
well kept, and its many pretty bungalows,
surrounded by gardens and groves of mango
trees, make it an attractive place of residence
during the hot season to the Europeans
from the plains. Here is located a prison
quite famous for the manufacture of tents,
carpets and other fabrics. The workers are
almost exclusively Thugs and their families,
many of them villainous looking fellows,
heavily ironed. They are the remnants of
that race of murderers and robbers that
once infested India, and were the dread
alike of natives and Europeans. The strong
hand of government has put an end to their
atrocities, and the few hundred here are
strictly guarded by soldiers, and made to
work to earn their own living.

From this place to Nagpore, one hundred
and sixty-two miles, is the connecting link
of the railway between Calcutta and Bombay,
and has been opened but a short time,
The passengers and mails were formerly conveyed
across this gap by Dak gharries, occupying
thirty hours of most fatiguing
travel. The station house here is not finished,
and while waiting for the train,
which was an hour late, I could but notice
how uncomplainingly the passengers, ladies
as well as gentlamen, sat upon their baggage
on the stone platform, the midday
sun pouring its tropical heat upon
their heads. A few only were protected by
white umbrellas held over them by coolies.
It occurred to me that in America there
would have been terrible growling over
such a matter; but to these Anglo-Indians,
who have been long in the country, the
railway is such an infinite improvement and
luxury in traveling, compared with the dak,
that this little annoyance was not considered
worth making a fuss about. But the sun
was too much for me, notwithstanding my
''solar {{SIC|touper|toupee}}'' or pith hat, and leaving my
“traps” in charge of a native, I was glad to
take refuge in the shade of the unfinished
building. The train came up at last, and
with nearly a whole compartment to myself
where I could stretch out at full length on
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One advantage of traveling alone is the
better opportunity it offers of making the
acquaintance of your fellow passengers. I
have met Americans aboard who boasted
that they never spoke to their neighbors in
railway cars, afraid, perhaps, of compromising
their dignity. Such foolish people
are to be pitied, for they miss many opportunities
of gaining information about the
country and people through which they are
traveling. To my surprise I have found
the English everywhere in the east extremely
civil and polite to strangers, especially
to Americans. I am told at home it
is quite the reverse.

My ''companon du Voyage'' to-day was a
very intelligent Englishman, to whom my
cigar case was a letter of introduction. He
had been for twelve gears in the civil service,
and was thoroughly posted on every
point connected with the government of
India. It was gratifying to see that he was
as much interested in what I could tell him
about America, as I was in the exceedingly
valuable information so freely imparted by
him, and which I could not have acquired
from books.

Our route lay together for several days
after, and I shall place to the credit of that
''cheroot'' one of the most intelligent and agreeable
of the many pleasant travelling companions
I have met abroad. But when my
friend asked in a voice ''almost plaintive'',
whether we Americans would join Russia
in a war against “our mother country,’ I
was at a loss what to reply. I have been
asked the same question many times before,
and it implies a ''respect'', perhaps a ''dread'', of
our power which was not shown before the
rebellion.

The fear of Russia and the dread that the
Muscovite will work down and eventually
drive them out of India, is the great nightmare
that rests upon the English in the
East. The Russians are steadily advancing
southward in Asia, conquering their way
step by step, until England and Russia are
now almost face to face. That the English
have got to fight for the possession of this
magnificent empire in the East upon the
plains of India is “manifeat destiny;” but
I am not the prophet to foretell the result.
The intelligent natives watch, with great interest
the advance of Russia; not that they
would be any better off under her than under
the British, whom they fear, but do
but love; but they would like to see the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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school boy who would be glad to see a new
bully thrash his former master, even though
he proves a severer tyrant. The country is
infinitely better governed now than before
the mutiny, and the wide-spread hatred of
the English does not prove that they are
bad rulers. It is merely the hatred that
easterns always bear their masters; yet
masters the Hindoos will always have. The
English judges and civil officials are incorruptible,
and the native, who is fond
of law suits, is sure of exact and even
justice, although his opponent may be
a European. Under native rulers justice
uninfluenced by bribes was unknown. For
scores of centuries the Hindoos have bribed
and taken bribes, and corruption has eaten
into the national character so deeply that
many people declare it can never be washed
out. Bribes are constantly offered to English
officials, and that they should be rejected
is something incomprehensible to the
ignorant native. The Russians are not
thoroughly civilized: they are semi-barbarians,
and their officials are notoriously
the most corrupt and venal in Europe.
“Scratch a Russian and you will find a bear
beneath the skin.” Were they a civilized
European Power with “a mission” in the
East, or even an enlightened Commercial
Power, with benevolent instincts, but with
no policy outside their pockets—such as the
rule in India was under the East India
Company—mankind might be benefited by
their advance into Southern Asia. But as
an organized Barbarism, of Asiatic origin,
to replace the English would be a step
backwards to the people of India. The
great mass of the people are quite indifferent
as to who their rulers are, if only
their taxes are kept down. The Government
is establishing schools and colleges in
all the large cities, and thousands of young
men are growing up with western ideas
who will stand by the English in case of any
future insurrection. They are identified
with the government by minor official positions,
and many thousands are employed
on the railways. The danger is from the
outside, not from any internal disaffection.
There are 70,000 English soldiers in the
country, and in reorganizing the native
troops since the mutiny the government has
wisely drawn most of their recruits from
the Sikhs and other war-like tribes of the
Punjaub in Northern India, who are all
Mahometans and hate as well as despise the
more effeminate Hindoos of the South.


My views of the “Eastern Question” are
submitted in all modesty, and may not be
correct. I can only say that they are the
result of over 3,000 miles travel through the
country, and the honest endeavor, without
any partiality to the present rulers, against
whom I was strongly prejudiced, to gain all possible information on the subject.
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{{hi|'''Lucky Crows—Summit of the Ghants—Perilous Descent—Bombay, the Cotton Metropolis of India—Founded by the Portuguese, Given to the English—King Cotton Here Absolute—The Parsees—Street Scene—Bycuila Hotel—Yacht Race—The “Live Yankee” Almost Wins—Wenham Lake Ice—Caves of Elephants—Hindoo Ideal of God—Farewell to India.'''}}

{{sc|Bombay, India}}, March 1871.

All day we have been slowly climbing the
Ghante; the Begra Hills on our
left are seen many miles away. Now
we turn sharply to the south,
pass through a deep rock cutting, then
dash through a half mile tunnel, and
cross the Begra river on a high iron bridge.
Again we pass over a hundred miles or
more of table land, highly cultivated, with
wheat fields of one thousand acres on either
side, almost ripe for the harvest. In the
middle of these fields upon high platforms
men are stationed to drive away the predatory
crows; but no one kills these marauders,
who ought to be thankful that their
lot is cast in a Hindoo not a Christian land.

During the few hours of darkness, for the
nights are here very short, we pass through
a wild section covered with wood and jungle,
said to be infested by tigers and wild
beasts. Stopping at an early hour the next
morning for breakfast we find ourselves
upon the summit and enjoy a splendid sunrise
five thousand feet above the sea. Now
commences the descent of the weatern slope
of the Ghants. The grade is very steep and
our train is divided, each section being held
back by all the power of engine and brakes.
The curves are very sharp and the road ricochets
like the tape on a card-rack. Around
the shorter curves there are three rails instead
of two. One is laid so close to the off-
rail that there is barely space between them
for the flange of the wheel, and this is called
the ''guard rail''. I do not remember ever to
have seen this in crossing the Alleghanies
by the Pennsylvania or Baltimore and Ohio
routes. The scenery is wild and grand, and
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tunnels for the next ten miles than I ever
saw before in the same distance. At one
place the train comes to a full stop a hundred
yards from the verge of a precipice of
one thousand feet; and here the track,
forming the letter Y, starts off again in the
opposite direstion. A freight train coming
down this grade a few months ago during
the rainy season, when the track was slippery
got beyond the control of the brakes
and went dashing over the precipice. We
run very slowly and are two hours in making
the descent of fifteen miles. There is a
decided feeling of relief among the passengers
when we “touch bottom.”

For four hours more we glide smoothly
over a comparatively level country where
cotton seems to be the principal crop, and
most of the cars on the side tracks are
marked “cotton wagons.” We are evidently
approaching Bombay, the great cotton
metropolis of India. This portion of
the road is old, and the track is lined with
hedges of cactus. The station houses are
pretty cottage-like buildings, surrounded
by flowers; and long rows of plants in pots,
gorgeous creepers and beds of roses and balsams
show the pains taken by these railway
gardeners, and the good taste of the superintendent
of the line. Why cannot some of
our older roads in America follow the example
of England and the continent in thus {{SIC|embelishing|embellishing}}
those most dreary looking places,
the country railway station?

At noon we reach Bombay, which claims
to be the second city in size in the British
empire, with a population of nearly a million,
the rival of Calcutta as a seaport, and
the postal centre of India.

It is built on a number of small islands,
connected with each other and the mainland
by causeways, forming altogether a
peninsular so low and flat that during the
rainy season large tracts are under water.
Notwithstanding its location it is so open to
the invigorating sea breeze that Bombay
is said to be one of the {{SIC|healthies|healthiest}}
places in India for Europeans. Many
of the rich merchants have beautiful villas
on Malabar Hill in the suburbs, which, surrounded
by gardens and shrubbery, resemble
the New Yorkers’ cottages on Staten
Island. This city was founded three hundred
years ago by the Portuguere under
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who won the title of “Admiral of the Indian,
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saw before in the same distance. At one
place the train comes to a full stop a hundred
yards from the verge of a precipice of
one thousand feet; and here the track,
forming the letter Y, starts off again in the
opposite direstion. A freight train coming
down this grade a few months ago during
the rainy season, when the track was slippery
got beyond the control of the brakes
and went dashing over the precipice. We
run very slowly and are two hours in making
the descent of fifteen miles. There is a
decided feeling of relief among the passengers
when we “touch bottom.”

For four hours more we glide smoothly
over a comparatively level country where
cotton seems to be the principal crop, and
most of the cars on the side tracks are
marked “cotton wagons.” We are evidently
approaching Bombay, the great cotton
metropolis of India. This portion of
the road is old, and the track is lined with
hedges of cactus. The station houses are
pretty cottage-like buildings, surrounded
by flowers; and long rows of plants in pots,
gorgeous creepers and beds of roses and balsams
show the pains taken by these railway
gardeners, and the good taste of the superintendent
of the line. Why cannot some of
our older roads in America follow the example
of England and the continent in thus {{SIC|embelishing|embellishing}}
those most dreary looking places,
the country railway station?

At noon we reach Bombay, which claims
to be the second city in size in the British
empire, with a population of nearly a million,
the rival of Calcutta as a seaport, and
the postal centre of India.

It is built on a number of small islands,
connected with each other and the mainland
by causeways, forming altogether a
peninsular so low and flat that during the
rainy season large tracts are under water.
Notwithstanding its location it is so open to
the invigorating sea breeze that Bombay
is said to be one of the {{SIC|healthies|healthiest}}
places in India for Europeans. Many
of the rich merchants have beautiful villas
on Malabar Hill in the suburbs, which, surrounded
by gardens and shrubbery, resemble
the New Yorkers’ cottages on Staten
Island. This city was founded three hundred
years ago by the Portuguese under
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the new route to the Indies. For many
years the Portuguese monopolized the rich
trade of India, founding cities on both eastern
and western coasts, which they enriched
with most splendid churches, and like the
Spaniards in the west, laid the foundation of
an empire in injustice, and cemented it with
innocent blood.

All that remains to them now is the little
settlement of Goa, below Bombay on the
western coast, once great and opulent, now
a poor, faded place, with a harbor half
choked with mud. There is said to be a
caste in Western India called “Goaese,” or
“Portuguese,”—black as crows, and good
for little except cooking—which represents
the hybrid Lusitanian and native mixture.
The city of Bombay was given away as a
marriage ''trosseau'' along with the Infanta
Catharine to Charles II.

But the Bombay of to-day is ruled by a
potentate whom we once knew in Americas,
“King Cotton,” and his sway is here as absolute
as it ever was in Charleston or New
Orleans. Cotton has built the splendid
stores and warehouses, which are unequaled
in any city of the East. Cotton has collected
the hundred steamers and the thousands
of native boats that are anchored in the
harbor. The export of cotton rose from
twenty-five million dollars worth in 1859 to
nearly two hundred millions in 1864; and
the population from 400,000 to a million.
Not even Chicago ever took a greater leap
then did Bombay in these five years. But
the sudden decline in cotton in 1863 brought
on a Commercial crisis that ruined nearly
every merchant in the city. It has now in
a measure recovered from the public, and the
rapid development of railways in India, of
which Bombay is the western terminus, and
the opening of the Suez canal, make this
place the great entrepot for European goods
as well as the most important export point
for raw products, such as cotton, jute, spices,
ivory and gums.

In numbers, intelligence and wealth the
Parsees are the strongest of all the merchants
of Bombay. This position they have
gained by their superior capacity for business,
enterprise and absence of caste prejudices,
which have made the name of leading
Parsee merchants widely known in Europe
as well as their native land. Disciples of
Zoroaster, and driven to India many hundred
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In religion and education the Parsees are
far in advance of Mahomitans and Hindoos.
Their creed is a pure ''deism'', in which God’s
works, such as fire, the sun and the sea, are
worshiped as the manifestations or visible
representatives of God on earth. Their temples
are as plain as a Quaker meeting house,
and disfigured by no idols or tawdry deco-
ration. The men are well educated, and
there is not a pauper in the whole race,
The women of the higher class of Parsees
are not secluded, but are frequently to be
seen on the fashionable drives and promenades.
They are quite good looking and
but little darker in complexion than the
southern races of Europe. The Parsee
names on the street signs are as peculiar as
Chinese. They are of many syllables, hard
to pronounce, and all end in &quot;jee&quot;.

Bombay is farther south then Calcutta,
and more Oriental and tropical than any
other place I have seen in India. The street
scenes are curious and novel, even to one
who has been through Japan and China.
The turbans, in size and gay colors, best
the world. They are from two to three
feet in diameter, of bright colored fabrics,
alternately twisted in the most elaborate and
artistic style. Loose, flowing trowsers of
pink or blue silk, and tunics to correspond,
make the street costumes decidedly gay and
lively. The turbans are sometimes composed
of forty or fifty parts of different col-
ored silks or cotton.

The “Byculla Hotel” is an immense build-
ing 200 feet long and perhaps eighty wide.
The whole lower floor is in one room,
twenty-five feet high, with doors and win-
dows of Venetian blinds on every side,
through which the air sweeps freely. The
long dining table is down the center, and on
one side area few private rooms, luxuriously
furnished and arranged with low moveable
screens. The table is excellent and the
variety of the fruits unsurpassed. Our
landlord is a Parsee, who speaks English
perfectly, but his dress is a strange mixture
of the European and the Oriental—a tall
Parsee miter-shaped hat, an English coat,
vest and necktie, and loose trowsers of
bright blue silk, tied round the ankle and
flowing over Turkish slippers. The twittering
of sparrows who fly in and out free
as the wind and tame as canary birds, is a
novel accompaniment to our meals. Besides
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The spring races and regatta of the yacht
club are now in full blast, so that we leave
Bombay in its most attractive season. This
yacht race in the spacious harbor was a
beautiful sight. There were over forty
boats of various classes called “Duboshes,”
&quot;Lateens,” “Sliding Gunters,” &amp;c., most of
them very long, sharp and graceful in form,
with immense lateen sails, and masts ''raking forward''. One is named the “Live Yankee,’
and her colors were “blue and red with a
white star.” She was entered for the fifth
race, and came ''within one'' of beating. As
she swept past the “flag ship” I thought I
detected in her captain the face of a man
born in Yankee land.

There are but few American ships or merchants
in Bombay, but “Wenham Lake ice”
is as well known here as in Boston. The
company has five thousand tons in store{{--}}enough
for a year’s supply{{--}}and it is sold
for an ''anna'' (three cents) a pound. Cheap
enough after a voyage of fifteen thousand
miles.

Among the sights in the neighborhood
the most celebrated are the “Caves of Elephanta,”
situated on an island in the harbor,
about two hours’ sail from the pier. They
are immense caverns cut in the solid rock,
probably by the Buddhists, two thousand
years ago. Though now partly in ruin,
the gigantic statues and carvings upon the
the rocky walls are very impressive. They
embody the highest ideal of a pagan god. A
three-faced colossal bust represents the
Buddhist's idea of God in his three-fold
character of Creator, Preserver and Destroyer,
which is the Hindoo trinity. The
grand repose of the two first is not the meditation
of a saint, but the calmness of unbounded
power. The Destroyer’s head portends
not so small destruction as annihilation to the world.

The week spent in Bombay has been full
of interest; and now with sincere regret I
must say “farewell” to india. My travels
here, so far from exhausting, have only increased
my interest in this strange country,
the home of one-sixth of the human race—a
land where western ideas and a Christian
civilization are now straggling for a foot-hold,
but must eventually replace the effete
idolatry and paganism of the past.
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home with them are generally healthy
looking, and race about the ship, keeping
their ''Ayaks'', or native nurses, in constant
tribulation, for fear they will fall overboard.
In India every European child is expected
to have a native attendant, from whem they
learn Hindoostanee before they know a word
of English. Upon their parents the tropical
climate has left its mark. Their fresh complexions
have turned sallow, their blood become
thin, and their systems lost energy and
elasticity. But now the thought of merry
homes in Old England, to which they are
bound, brings an unusual glow to the cheek
and sparkle to the eyes.

Among our passengers and my next neighbor
at the table, is a Greek priest, for twenty
years the “padre” of the Greek church at
Calcutta. His long white beard gives him a
venerable, patriarchial appearance, but he
is as full of fun and jollity as the youngest,
and an especial favorite with the children.
A Prussian of noble family sits on my left.
To the disgust of his aristocratic relations he
chose the life of a merchant in India in
preference to the career of a younger son in
the army; and has been so successful that
he now returns home with an ample fortune.
He believes in Bismarck and German unity,
King William and a constitutional monarchy,
but is more democratic, {{SIC|He|he}} says, {{SIC|that|than}}
when he left Germany fifteen years ago. {{SIC|the|The}}
head steward, or “{{SIC|Waitre|Maitre}} d’ hotel,” who is
known to us by the Royal title of Victor
Emanuel, is continually making the most
comical mistakes in misunderstanding our
orders. But he is something of a ''wag'', and
the twinkle of his keen black eyes implies
that he enjoys the fun as much as ourselves.

&quot;Our American Cousin” can complain of
no lack of courtesy on the part of the English
fellow passengers; but their ignorance
of America is amusing, and far exceeds that
of well educated Americans about India.
One of them told me he had it on good authority
that the negroes had all refused to
work, and the whole South was in a dreadful
state of anarchy and desolation. That
he expected to hear of their marching on
Washington, getting possession of the government,
and ''making a negro president''!
I was seriously asked if there was not a
State in the South, somewhere near the
mouth of the Mississippi, called “Susianna.”
The English in the East nearly all sympathized
with the rebels,and I have been
moved to give them pretty strong doses of
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situated on a peninsular{{sic}} that juts out from
the Arabian coast, and in appearance is the
most desolate, barren and forbidding place
that it is possible to conceive of.
Naked cliffs and volcanic ridges, without a
tree, shrub, or scarcely a blade of grass, surround
us on every side—some rising to the
height of 1,800 feet—while forts mounting
heavy guns, crown every peak, and water
batteries command every part of the harbor
and its entrance. Two years ago, during the
Abyssinian war, Aden was the base of supplies
for the English troops operating against
King Theodore. Then the harbor was full
of ships of war and transports. Annesley
bay, {{SIC|when|where}} the British disembarked to march
against Abyssinia, is about three hundred
miles up the coast, full of small, rocky
islands, and very difficult and dangerous of
access.  At Aden there are daily arrivals
and departures of steamers, plying through
the Suez canal between Europe and India
and China. It is ninety-six miles from here
to the entrance of the Red Saa, and this
lonely, barren rock, this treeless, grassless,
black ruin, which can most expressively be
described as “Hell with the fires put out,”
where not a drop of fresh water can be had
except that which is caught from the clouds
or condensed from the sea, is growing into a
busy town with a population af 30,000 people.
A score of small native craft are in the
inner harbor, and anchored around us are
five or six large steamers and as many sailing
ships.

Besides its importance as a coaling station
Aden has secured to itself the export trade
in Mocha coffee, amounting to 20,000 tons a
year.

Our anchor is scarcely down when we are
boarded by the port-officer, and five minutes
afterwards I am on my way ashore in his
boat. We land at the government pier, and
on the ''Bund'' are a dozen two-storied buildings,
including a hotel, post-office, custom-house,
and a few mercantile establishments
with Parsee names over the doors. These
people are the ''Greeks'' of the east, and can
be found among the most enterprising merchants
of every city when the English hold
sway (and when do they not?) between
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As with the population as a whole, there is much evidence that children are being born most rapidly in those Negro families with the least financial resources. This is an ancient pattern, but because the needs of children are greater today it is very possible that the education and opportunity gap between the offspring of these families and those of stable middle-class unions is not closing, but is growing wider.

A cycle is at work; too many children too early make it most difficult for the parents to finish school. (In February, 1963, 38 percent of the white girls who dropped out of school did so because of marriage or pregnancy, as against 49 percent of nonwhite girls.){{anchor+|ref25|{{sup|[[The Negro Family/Footnote#ref25|25]]}}}} An Urban League study in New York reported that 44 percent of girl dropouts left school because of pregnancy.{{anchor+|ref26|{{sup|[[The Negro Family/Footnote#ref26|26]]}}}}

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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>2z7uuk2rnkzjb4nghv1mxtkf634jc76</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I can do that. I'd still appreciate if you could tell me what steps you went through on commons (IA upload is half broken): like a) which file ''exactly'' you tried to upload; b) where you got it; and c) what error you got. Bugs can only be fixed with good bug reports. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I &lt;del&gt;can&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;will&lt;/ins&gt; do that. I'd still appreciate if you could tell me what steps you went through on commons (IA upload is half broken): like a) which file ''exactly'' you tried to upload; b) where you got it; and c) what error you got. Bugs can only be fixed with good bug reports. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I &lt;del&gt;can&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;will&lt;/ins&gt; do that. I'd still appreciate if you could tell me what steps you went through on commons (IA upload is half broken): like a) which file ''exactly'' you tried to upload; b) where you got it; and c) what error you got. Bugs can only be fixed with good bug reports. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, just found something which is probably the cause of the error: the file is damn ''huge''.
::: Usually the good idea for such large files is using [[c:User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. Did you try that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, just found something which is probably the cause of the error: the file is damn ''huge''. So in the end I won't be able to get conversions. Best I can get you is IA's overcompressed PDF.
::: Usually the good idea for such large files is using [[c:User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. Did you try that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Great, thanks! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, just found something which is probably the cause of the error: the file is damn ''huge''. So in the end I won't be able to get conversions. Best I can get you is IA's overcompressed PDF.
::: Usually the good idea for such large files is using [[c:User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. Did you try that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{c|1={{l|1=Hello! Please do tell me if you think I did something wrong, or I should change something. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times','Source Serif Pro',serif&quot;&gt;— Alien&lt;b style=&quot;line-height:100%;font-size:100%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;sup style=&quot;margin-left:.5em&quot;&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub style=&quot;margin-left:-.9em&quot;&gt;3&lt;span style=&quot;margin-left:.3em&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;3&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;}}

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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== Work period start/end ==

Hello. Some time ago you solved the problem with displaying the work period start/end dates. However, now I came across another problem: when Wikidata has the birth/death dates set as &quot;unknown&quot; and the wp start/end dates are only additional to this, Wikisource does not display the latter ones. This is quite logical, but displaying the wp start/end dates would imo be more useful. See e. g. [[Author:Theodoric of Prague]]. Do you think this would be possible to solve too? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: Once more unto the breach, eh? will take a look. We may have a UI problem here though: how do we convey &quot;latest value&quot; in a short expression that can be used in a header? &quot;before&quot;? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::I thought the values could be taken from the properties &quot;work period start&quot; and &quot;work period end&quot; (not from the &quot;latest date&quot; qualifier of the properties &quot;date of birth&quot; and &quot;death of death&quot;), and displayed in the header like fl. 1328–1381. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, sorry. Got confused. That's bad news tho, normally we already do that. Checking... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: {{done}}. We were checking if the year strings were falsy, but not if they were ? when deciding whether to use workperiod. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Great, thanks! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Help with File Uploading ==

Hi there!

You welcomed me to WikiSource around a week ago now; I hope it's ok to ask here. I've been trying to upload [[iarchive:bim_eighteenth-century_the-works-of-the-honoura_boyle-robert_1772_1|this file]] and have been running into errors in each of the methods I've tried. The IA Upload tool gave and error and same when I tried uploading directly to commons. Do you know why this is happening? 

Thanks in advance for any help, and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's absolutely always OK to ask. Can you precise which error? There are a lot of 'em, so I can't say anything without a more precise message :).
: If you want, I could also try to upload that for you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::When uploading to Commons, it said &quot;Invalid chunk offset&quot;. I don't remember exactly what happened using the Upload Tool, but it said &quot;possible error&quot;, and when I clicked into the logs it said something about an invalid page? Might be misremembering that one though.
::If you could try to upload it as well, that would be great! Thank you! [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 19:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, just found something which is probably the cause of the error: the file is damn ''huge''. So in the end I won't be able to get conversions. Best I can get you is IA's overcompressed PDF.
::: Usually the good idea for such large files is using [[c:User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js]]. Did you try that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh the PDF is what I was trying to upload, I didn't even want to attempt the full 10 GBs. I'll give the script a try however. [[User:InfernoHues|InfernoHues]] ([[User talk:InfernoHues|talk]]) 00:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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From Yokolia ma to Hiogo; The Moon Temple; Osaca the Venice of Japan; Manufacture of Paper and its use; Paper Handkerchiefs and Pillow Cases; The Inland Sea; Outlines of a Picture;
Simonasaki; The Gateway of Rock; Entrance to Nagasaki; An Episode in History; Japanese Junk; Decima; Fine Porcelain;
Arts and Manufactures; Departure for China; &quot;Sionara,&quot; Japan................. 74-–80

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Thirteen|NUMBER THIRTEEN.]]}}
Approach to the Flowery Kingdom; The Yellow Sea; Yangste River; Shanghai; Fight of the Coolies; The Astor House; John
Chinaman at Home; Street Sights; The Wheelbarrow a Chinese carriage; Nursery Rhymes; Opium Hulks and Custom House.Officials; Government of China; Squeeze; How Taxes are collected; Competitive Examinations; Qualifications for office in China and America; The Taiping Rebellion; General Ward.........81––87

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Fourteen|NUMBER FOURTEEN.]]}}
Odd and Curious Sights; A Story of Paradoxes; Respect for parents;
New theory of Women's Rights; Visit to a Chinese Theatre; Excessive politeness; Great display of finger ornaments; A Chinese
Signorita; Serio-Comedy; Laughable and absurd performance;
Fighters stop and take a smile; Dead men walk; Japs ahead
of Chinese in the Mimic Art; Wedding Procession; Gentle Elia's
Roast l'ig; Marriage Ceremonies; Jump in the dark; Not married in haste, but with leisure to repent; Cupid waits for Hymen.................88––94

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Fifteen|NUMBER FIFTEEN.]]}}
Departure of distinguished guests; Secretary Seward in Japan and China; He visits l'ekin and the Great Wall; Prince Kung is gronty; The Senator and Sailor exchange salutes; The Prince relents; All lovely and serene over sharks' fins and birds' nests; The Chinese language; Pigeon English; Coin and Carreney; Compradores, costumes, and queues; Pawnbrokers' Shops;
Small Feet; Fashion makes hideous things beautiful; Visit to
a wealthy Chinaman; Tea as is Tea; A Gentleman, though
wearing a pigtail; Luxury next door to Penury....95––103

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Sixteen|NUMBER SIXTEEN.]]}}
Approach to Hong Kong; Safely landed under the protection of a
young Amazon; Wonderful prosperity of Hong Kong; The great-
est Smuggling Depot in the World; Manners and Customs of the
people; The most snobbish place in China; Street Scenes; Sepoys
from India; Parsees; Black Policemen; Justice swift and sure;
A Chinese Jack Cade; Broad brimmed hats; Sedan Chairs;
Climbing Victoria Peak; Reception to Mr. Seward; A Buckeye
abroad who is creditable to his country....104––111

{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Seventeen|NUMBER SEVENTEEN.]]}}
American Steamers in China; Up the Canton River; My fellow
Passengers The Bogue Forts; Pagodas; Commodore Foote and
the Barrier Forts; Fleet of Boats; Charmine; Temple of Honam;
Transmigration of souls; Street Scenes in Canton; Cat and Dog
Meat Shops; Pawnbrokers; Curiosity Shops; Soothing Syrup:
Temple of 500 Genii; Temple of Confucius; Temple of Longevity;
Flower Pagoda; Exécution ground; Examination hall..........112-120&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Steamer life in the tropics; Arrival at Singapore; A Boat ride
by moonlight Chinese Festival; An English Toddy Shop; Population
and Climate of Singapore; Character of the Malays; The
Creese; Running a muck; Nature so lavish that mankind
degenerates; Picturesque Costumes; The Gharry and its driver;
A Morning Ride; The Asiatic Gardens; Fan Palms; Victoria
Regias; Tropical Vegetation; A Chinese Millionaire; A Courteous gentleman; The Whampon Garden......... 121{{--}}128
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Nineteen|NUMBER NINETEEN.]]}}
Up the Straits of Malacca; Penang, and the Province of Wellesley;
Malay Pirates; &quot;Old John Brown;&quot; The Penang Lawyer;
Mount Pleasant; Pure laziness; The &quot;Marvel of Tropical Beauty;&quot;
A Granite bath tub and natural shower bath; Loyal Britons
Abroad; Royal Scapegraces; The Dorian; Difference of opinion;
A wager; John Bull against Jonathan; An exciting national
Contest; Yankee comes off victorious; The Andaman Isles ;
&quot;Life On the Ocean Wave;&quot; Not all pure romance...............129{{--}}135
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty|NUMBER TWENTY.]]}}
Approach to India; The Hooghly; Garden Reach; Calcutta; The
King of Oude; The Landing; Native Magpies and Blackbirds;
The Great Eastern; &quot;New Varmint;&quot; Morning Races; A Gay
Crowd; The Eurasians; Commerce of Calcutta; The &quot;Black
Hole;&quot; The East India Company; Government of India; The
Viceroy; A Perambulating Government; Palanquins; A Catastrophe;
Good-Bye to &quot;New Varmint;&quot; India Railways; Iron Replaces
wood; Delights of Summer Travel; Native Servants......... 136{{--}}144
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-one|NUMBER TWENTY-ONE.]]}}
Currency in India; Small Change always wanted; Requisites for
a journey; An Unique head gear; Sleeping Carriages; Irrigation;
Opium Monopoly; Scenes on the Railway; Native Villages;
Benares, the Holy City; Shiva-Dotta, Pundit; The Ganges; The
Monkey Temple; The Ghauts of Benares; Burning Bodies; An
Ancient Observatory; Mosque of Aurrangzebe; A Glimpse behind
the scenes; The Curtain suddenly dropped; The Golden
Pagoda; Hindoo Worship; A String of marigolds; England
manufactures idols for India................................145{{--}}154
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-two|NUMBER TWENTY-TWO.]]}}
Allahabad Junction; The City of Allah; An Invisible River; Paradise
for the Faithful; The Fort; A Puzzle for Savans; Club for
a Giant; The Future Capital; Krusru Garden; Tame Sparrows;
Cawnpore; The Sepoy Rebellion; The Memorial Garden; Lucknow,
The City of Palaces; First impressions illusive; The Heart's
Delight; Martiniere; &quot;Secundra Bagh,&quot; the &quot;Palace of C{{ae}}sar;&quot;
The Museum; The Residency; An impressive ruin; &quot;Dinna ye
Hear the Slogan?&quot; The Grave of Havelock; Barbarity of the conquerors; Treatment of the natives................................155{{--}}163
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-three|NUMBER TWENTY-THREE.]]}}
Approach to Agra; Cotton Boats; The Sights of Agra; The Fort;
Hall of Judgment; The Sandal wood Gates; The Emperor's Palace;
A Mammoth Pachisi-Board; The Pearl Morque; Secundra
Bagh; A Fancy Team; Akbar's Mausoleum; The Taj; A Thing
of beauty, and a wonderful echo; The Taj seen by blue lights;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Citadel; The Hall of Audience; The Peacock Throne; Chandnee
Chowk; The Great Mosque; A Field of animated poppies; Relics
of {{SIC|Mahomet|Muhammad}}; &quot;By the Prophet's Beard;&quot; The Cashmere Gate;
A Gallant Deed .............................................161-{{--}}172
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-four|NUMBER TWENTY-FOUR]]}}.
Indian Conjurors; Making a Mango tree grow from the seed; Hereditary occupations in India; Snake Charmers; Bitten by a
cobra; Shopping in Delhi; Shawl Store of Maniek Chund; Ind-
ian Costumes; Observatory; Mausoleums; The Koontub Minar;
Legend of the Iron Pillar; Humayoon's Tomb; The Last of the
Moguls; A Sam Patch leap; Memorial of a wicked old king;
One of the results of polygamy; &quot;Laying a Dak;&quot; The Horse
Dak of India, Unique style of traveling; Tame squirrels and
birds; The Mohun Pass; &quot;Sudden Death&quot; for chickens; Drawn
by Coolies; &quot;Whiling the Hours by cheerful discourse&quot; of man-
eating Tigers: Arrival at Deyra.............................173{{--}}182
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-five|NUMBER TWENTY-FIVE.]]}}
A Lively start from Deyra; Scenes along the road; &quot;Caravanseries;
Warfare against wild beasts; {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}} take no part in it; Man-eating Tigers; A Paradise of Snakes; White Skins are patents of
nobility; Salaam All; Approach to the Himalayas; Up the moun-
tains; The Jampans; Charming scenery; Caught in a storm; Desperate situation; Mussoorie in winter quarters; Jolly as Mark
Tapley: Simla, the Hill Capital of India; The Snowy Range;
Magnificent Views of the Mountains; A Beautiful apparition; A
Bengalese Handy Andy; &quot;Grilled Boos;&quot; Elephant and Tiger
Hunters; Right Royal Sport; Return to Saharunpore........188{{--}}191
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-six|NUMBER TWENTY-SIX.]]}}
Return Southward; Jubbalpore; Legend of the Nerbudda; The Marble
Rocks; Prison of the Thugs; Traveling companions; A Cigar
well invested; The Russian Question; Will the Russian Bear
drive the English Bull out of India? .....................192{{--}}195
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-seven|NUMBER TWENTY-SEVEN.]]}}
Lucky Crows; Summit of the Ghauts; Perilous Descent; Bombay, the Cotton Metropolis of India; Founded by the {{SIC|Portugese|Portuguese}}, given to the English; King Cotton here absolute; The l'arsees; Street
Scenes; Byculla Hotel; Yacht Race; The &quot;Live Yankee&quot; almost
wins; Wenham Lake Ice; Caves of Elephanta; {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}} Ideal of God; Farewell to India.................................196{{--}}200
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-eight|NUMBER TWENTY-EIGHT.]]}}
From Bombay to Suez; The &quot;Arabia; &quot; My Fellow Passengers;
&quot;Susianna;&quot; The Stage Yankee; Sea Voyaging in the Tropics;
Aden, the {{SIC|Gibralter|Gibraltar}} of the Red Sea; A most desolate situation;
The Harbor landing; The Padre and I take a run ashore; John
Chinaman; An Abyssinian exquisite and his bride; The Water
Tanks and Bazaars; The Padre's generosity gets us into trouble;
Perim; The British play a Yankee Trick on the French; Mocha,
the Coffee City; Navigation of the Red Sea; Why &quot;Red?&quot; Winds
Always Ahead; Sinai in sight, but we can't see the chariot
wheels; Welcome Suez.......................................201{{--}}209&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Citadel; The Hall of Audience; The Peacock Throne; Chandnee
Chowk; The Great Mosque; A Field of animated poppies; Relics
of {{SIC|Mahomet|Muhammad}}; &quot;By the Prophet's Beard;&quot; The Cashmere Gate;
A Gallant Deed .............................................164-{{--}}172
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-four|NUMBER TWENTY-FOUR]]}}.
Indian Conjurors; Making a Mango tree grow from the seed; Hereditary occupations in India; Snake Charmers; Bitten by a
cobra; Shopping in Delhi; Shawl Store of Maniek Chund; Ind-
ian Costumes; Observatory; Mausoleums; The Koontub Minar;
Legend of the Iron Pillar; Humayoon's Tomb; The Last of the
Moguls; A Sam Patch leap; Memorial of a wicked old king;
One of the results of polygamy; &quot;Laying a Dak;&quot; The Horse
Dak of India, Unique style of traveling; Tame squirrels and
birds; The Mohun Pass; &quot;Sudden Death&quot; for chickens; Drawn
by Coolies; &quot;Whiling the Hours by cheerful discourse&quot; of man-
eating Tigers: Arrival at Deyra.............................173{{--}}182
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-five|NUMBER TWENTY-FIVE.]]}}
A Lively start from Deyra; Scenes along the road; &quot;Caravanseries;
Warfare against wild beasts; {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}} take no part in it; Man-eating Tigers; A Paradise of Snakes; White Skins are patents of
nobility; Salaam All; Approach to the Himalayas; Up the moun-
tains; The Jampans; Charming scenery; Caught in a storm; Desperate situation; Mussoorie in winter quarters; Jolly as Mark
Tapley: Simla, the Hill Capital of India; The Snowy Range;
Magnificent Views of the Mountains; A Beautiful apparition; A
Bengalese Handy Andy; &quot;Grilled Boos;&quot; Elephant and Tiger
Hunters; Right Royal Sport; Return to Saharunpore........188{{--}}191
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-six|NUMBER TWENTY-SIX.]]}}
Return Southward; Jubbalpore; Legend of the Nerbudda; The Marble
Rocks; Prison of the Thugs; Traveling companions; A Cigar
well invested; The Russian Question; Will the Russian Bear
drive the English Bull out of India? .....................192{{--}}195
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-seven|NUMBER TWENTY-SEVEN.]]}}
Lucky Crows; Summit of the Ghauts; Perilous Descent; Bombay, the Cotton Metropolis of India; Founded by the {{SIC|Portugese|Portuguese}}, given to the English; King Cotton here absolute; The l'arsees; Street
Scenes; Byculla Hotel; Yacht Race; The &quot;Live Yankee&quot; almost
wins; Wenham Lake Ice; Caves of Elephanta; {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}} Ideal of God; Farewell to India.................................196{{--}}200
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-eight|NUMBER TWENTY-EIGHT.]]}}
From Bombay to Suez; The &quot;Arabia; &quot; My Fellow Passengers;
&quot;Susianna;&quot; The Stage Yankee; Sea Voyaging in the Tropics;
Aden, the {{SIC|Gibralter|Gibraltar}} of the Red Sea; A most desolate situation;
The Harbor landing; The Padre and I take a run ashore; John
Chinaman; An Abyssinian exquisite and his bride; The Water
Tanks and Bazaars; The Padre's generosity gets us into trouble;
Perim; The British play a Yankee Trick on the French; Mocha,
the Coffee City; Navigation of the Red Sea; Why &quot;Red?&quot; Winds
Always Ahead; Sinai in sight, but we can't see the chariot
wheels; Welcome Suez.......................................201{{--}}209&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Citadel; The Hall of Audience; The Peacock Throne; Chandnee
Chowk; The Great Mosque; A Field of animated poppies; Relics
of {{SIC|Mahomet|Muhammad}}; &quot;By the Prophet's Beard;&quot; The Cashmere Gate;
A Gallant Deed .............................................164-{{--}}172
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-four|NUMBER TWENTY-FOUR]]}}.
Indian Conjurors; Making a Mango tree grow from the seed; Hereditary occupations in India; Snake Charmers; Bitten by a
cobra; Shopping in Delhi; Shawl Store of Maniek Chund; Ind-
ian Costumes; Observatory; Mausoleums; The Koontub Minar;
Legend of the Iron Pillar; Humayoon's Tomb; The Last of the
Moguls; A Sam Patch leap; Memorial of a wicked old king;
One of the results of polygamy; &quot;Laying a Dak;&quot; The Horse
Dak of India, Unique style of traveling; Tame squirrels and
birds; The Mohun Pass; &quot;Sudden Death&quot; for chickens; Drawn
by Coolies; &quot;Whiling the Hours by cheerful discourse&quot; of man-
eating Tigers: Arrival at Deyra.............................173{{--}}182
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-five|NUMBER TWENTY-FIVE.]]}}
A Lively start from Deyra; Scenes along the road; &quot;Caravanseries;
Warfare against wild beasts; {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}} take no part in it; Man-eating Tigers; A Paradise of Snakes; White Skins are patents of
nobility; Salaam All; Approach to the Himalayas; Up the moun-
tains; The Jampans; Charming scenery; Caught in a storm; Desperate situation; Mussoorie in winter quarters; Jolly as Mark
Tapley: Simla, the Hill Capital of India; The Snowy Range;
Magnificent Views of the Mountains; A Beautiful apparition; A
Bengalese Handy Andy; &quot;Grilled Boos;&quot; Elephant and Tiger
Hunters; Right Royal Sport; Return to Saharunpore........183{{--}}191
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-six|NUMBER TWENTY-SIX.]]}}
Return Southward; Jubbalpore; Legend of the Nerbudda; The Marble
Rocks; Prison of the Thugs; Traveling companions; A Cigar
well invested; The Russian Question; Will the Russian Bear
drive the English Bull out of India? .....................192{{--}}195
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-seven|NUMBER TWENTY-SEVEN.]]}}
Lucky Crows; Summit of the Ghauts; Perilous Descent; Bombay, the Cotton Metropolis of India; Founded by the {{SIC|Portugese|Portuguese}}, given to the English; King Cotton here absolute; The l'arsees; Street
Scenes; Byculla Hotel; Yacht Race; The &quot;Live Yankee&quot; almost
wins; Wenham Lake Ice; Caves of Elephanta; {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}} Ideal of God; Farewell to India.................................196{{--}}200
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Twenty-eight|NUMBER TWENTY-EIGHT.]]}}
From Bombay to Suez; The &quot;Arabia; &quot; My Fellow Passengers;
&quot;Susianna;&quot; The Stage Yankee; Sea Voyaging in the Tropics;
Aden, the {{SIC|Gibralter|Gibraltar}} of the Red Sea; A most desolate situation;
The Harbor landing; The Padre and I take a run ashore; John
Chinaman; An Abyssinian exquisite and his bride; The Water
Tanks and Bazaars; The Padre's generosity gets us into trouble;
Perim; The British play a Yankee Trick on the French; Mocha,
the Coffee City; Navigation of the Red Sea; Why &quot;Red?&quot; Winds
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The Suez Canal an accomplished fact; Reasons alleged for its {{SIC|failure|failiure}}; Bugbears Exploded; Ferdinand de Lesseps; Is it a pecuniary
success? Rates of Toll; New Lines of Steamers; The Tides; Width,
Depth, and Rate of speed allowed; Mammoth Dredging Machines;
Lac Amer; Lake Timsah; Ismailia; Lake Menzaleh; Port Said,
the &quot;Silver Gate;&quot; The Sweet-water Canal; &quot;Water is Gold;&quot;
&quot;Have a shine, Sir?&quot; A Showy old Turk; Across the Desert;
Egyptian Soldiers; An amusing sight; Mud Hovels for Peasants,
and Palaces for Princes; Arrive at &quot;Grand Cairo&quot;..........210{{--}}218
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Thirty-one|NUMBER THIRTY-ONE.]]}}
Cairo; Church bells do not make a Sabbath; Dragomen; Scenes in
front of the Hotel; Peddlers and Mountebanks; Donkeys and donkey
boys; A &quot;Donk&quot; with an illustrious name; The Fez; The
Bazaars; Sprinkling Machines; The &quot;Light of the Harem;&quot; Old
Abraham comes to grief; The Citadel; The Mamelukes' Leap;
The Great Mosque; Island of Rhoda; Moses in the bulrushes; The
Nilometer; Joseph's Granaries; The Shoobra Gardens; A Mohamedan's Paradise; {{SIC|Mohamet|Muhammad}} Ali; Heliopolis; The Virgin's
sycamore tree; Dancing Dervishes..........................219{{--}}228
{{c|[[&quot;Round_the_World.&quot;:_Letters_From_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt/Number_Thirty-three|NUMBER THIRTY-THREE.]]}}
El Kaherah; The Nile; Ancient knowledge of the Egyptians; Lost
Arts; Visit to Memphis and Sakharra; An early start; Sand
Storm in the Desert, The City of the Pharaohs; Temple of Apis:
Cemetery of the Sacred Bulls; Lunch among the &quot;Old Masters;&quot;
An &quot;Antique&quot; factory; Typhoons at sea and Siroccos on land;
Pyramids of Ghizah; Egyptian Soldiers; Fertility of the soil;
Old Cheops; Up we go; View from the summit; The King's
chamber; The Sphynx.........................................229{{--}}237&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:Poems of William Dunbar (1834) Vol 2.djvu/81</title>
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      <comment>Tliair -&gt; Thair; Tliy -&gt; Thy; add {{poem}}, {{pline}}</comment>
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Erfch Katherane, with thy polk breik, and lulling, {{pline|145|r}}
Thow and thy Quene, as gredy gleddis, ye gang
With polkis to mylne, and beggis baith meill and fchilling;
Thair is bot lyfe, and lang- nailis yow aniang:
Fowll keggirbald, for hennis thus will ye hang,
Thow lies ane perrellus face to play with lambis; {{pline|150|r}}
Ane thowfand kiddis, wer thay in faldis full ftrang,
Thy lymmerfull luke wald fie tharae and thair danimis.

In till ane glen thow lies, owt of repair,
Ane laithly luge that wes the lippir mennis;
With the ane fowtaris wyfe, off blifs als bair, {{pline|155|r}}
And lyk twa ftalkaris fteilis in cokis and hennis,
Thowplukkis the pultre, and fcho pullis off the penuis;
All Karrik cryis, God gif this dowfy be drownd;
And cpihen thow heiris ane gufe cry in the glennis,
Thow thinkis it i'wetar than facrand bell of found. {{pline|160|r}}

Thow Lazarus, thow laithly lene tramort,
To all the world thow may example be;
To luk upoun thy gryllie peteous port,
For hiddowis, haw, and holkit is thyne ee;
Thy cheik bane bair, and blaiknit is thy ble; {{pline|165|r}} 
Thy choip, thy choll, garris men for to leif cheft;
Thy gane it garris us think that we mon de:
I conjure the, thow huugert Heland gaift.

The larbar lukis of thy lang lene craig,
Thy pure pynit thrott, peilit and owt of ply, {{pline|170|r}}
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      <comment>a little more specific</comment>
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&lt;noinclude&gt;Hi, I've been a contributor to Wikipedia since 2003, and now that I have retired, started proofreading and validating texts here on Wikisource.</text>
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      <comment>Fix links</comment>
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Possibly the pains which spring from a high degree of sensitiveness, are the meet alloy to the intense pleasures that emanate from the possession of glorious gifts, and thus Sensitiveness may be the fitting attendant of Greatness; but to lesser minds we dare venture to say, struggle against a morbid sensibility until your claims to Genius entitle you to pardon for the weaknesses of Genius.
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{{Lua|Module:Tpp}}
{{uses Templatestyles|Template:Tpp/styles.css}}
{{uses Templatestyles|Template:Ppoem/styles.css}}

Titled Proper Poem.

Template for poems (by Alien333, tell me if it messes up or needs to be updated). 

This is {{tl|ppoem}} except it makes a title, but I also put here in general things I would like for poems. Means I also use this on not-title pages sometimes.

===Use===
* {{parameter|1}}/{{parameter|title}} the title of the poem.
* {{parameter|2}}/{{parameter|text}} the text of the poem.
* {{parameter|st}}/{{parameter|start}} and {{parameter|e}}/{{parameter|end}} are passed, respectively, to the first and the last poem delimited by &gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;.
* All the rest is also passed to ppoem.

The full parameter names always take precedence over the abbreviation if both are available.

If {{parameter|text}} and {{parameter|2}} are not given, {{parameter|1}} will be assumed to contain the text ({{parameter|title}} will always be the title).

This aims to factorize formatting, with the title having class .wst-tpp-title and the first words&lt;ref&gt;selected by the pretty consistently applied criteria of at least two letters a word at a time. The first words class is only applied when there is no HTML/mw formatting on that line. That is a) to not have to bother with stuff like links, and b) because sometimes (especially with two-word names) it doesn't select the right words, and like this you can just manually add the corresponding template to that line, and it won't add anything on top&lt;/ref&gt; .wst-tpp-first-words.

(This template will not make empty titles or poems.)

Other things:
* Relative indents: +[digit]&gt; (at beginning of line) indents the line exactly the length of the line respectively [digit] lines above (for 1 line you can just do +&gt;).
* &gt;&gt;&lt;&lt; (on its own line) delimits centering, meaning makes the centering of different parts of the poem independent. Note: for single stanzas, rather use ppoem's {cblock}.
* ; (at beginning of line, as many as you want) does a reverse indent (opposite of :)
* _..._ (on its own line, instead of a stanza break): makes a break [number or _'s] lines high


{{smallrefs}}

===Examples===

{{doc example
|&lt;pre&gt;
{{tpp|Showing Everything|
{smaller}
{{fqm}}There is often
A quotation from another poem
Centered apart
&gt;&gt;{{sc|Someone}}
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;
Other Times,
:The Start
Has Very
:Short Lines
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;
But then it gets much longer
(Only do this if in the original,
It is centered differently)

Sometimes, after a while,
And often irregularly, it 
does this.

+2&gt;And the next stanza picks
Up where the last one left.
Other times,
+&gt; It's not on
A Stanza break, or even
It picks
Up on a line
From a while ago
+3&gt;Like this one does
;{{sc|Someone}}
Other times, in plays
Most lines are indented
Except for the name of those speaking

;{{sc|Someone else}}
And it would be a bore
To indent all the other lines
So it's simpler to reverse indent
Those that are annoying
{{***|3|4em|char=·}}
I think that's it—no, it's not
___
Because sometimes you need
Longer stanza breaks}}
&lt;/pre&gt;

{{tpp|Showing Everything|
{smaller}
{{fqm}}There is often
A quotation from another poem
Centered apart
&gt;&gt;{{sc|Someone}}
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;
Other Times,
:The Start
Has Very
:Short Lines
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;
But then it gets much longer
(Only do this if in the original,
It is centered differently)

Sometimes, after a while,
And often irregularly, it 
does this.

+2&gt;And the next stanza picks
Up where the last one left.
Other times,
+&gt; It's not on
A Stanza break, or even
It picks
Up on a line
From a while ago
+3&gt;Like this one does
;{{sc|Someone}}
Other times, in plays
Most lines are indented
Except for the name of those speaking

;{{sc|Someone else}}
And it would be a bore
To indent all the other lines
So it's simpler to reverse indent
Those that are annoying
{{***|3|4em|char=·}}
I think that's it—no, it's not
___
Because sometimes you need
Longer stanza breaks}}
}}
&lt;templatedata&gt;
{
	&quot;params&quot;: {
		&quot;1&quot;: {
			&quot;aliases&quot;: [
				&quot;title&quot;
			],
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Title&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;The title to put on top&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;content&quot;
		},
		&quot;2&quot;: {
			&quot;aliases&quot;: [
				&quot;text&quot;
			],
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Text&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;The text of the main poem&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;content&quot;
		},
		&quot;e&quot;: {
			&quot;aliases&quot;: [
				&quot;end&quot;
			],
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;End&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;Same as ppoem's  end&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;stanza&quot;,
			&quot;suggestedvalues&quot;: [
				&quot;close&quot;,
				&quot;follow&quot;,
				&quot;stanza&quot;
			],
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;string&quot;,
			&quot;default&quot;: &quot;close&quot;
		},
		&quot;st&quot;: {
			&quot;aliases&quot;: [
				&quot;start&quot;
			],
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Start&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;Same as ppoem's start.&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;stanza&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;string&quot;,
			&quot;suggestedvalues&quot;: [
				&quot;open&quot;,
				&quot;stanza&quot;,
				&quot;follow&quot;
			],
			&quot;default&quot;: &quot;open&quot;
		}
	},
	&quot;paramOrder&quot;: [
		&quot;1&quot;,
		&quot;2&quot;,
		&quot;e&quot;,
		&quot;st&quot;
	]
}
&lt;/templatedata&gt;</text>
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== Formatting ==

Wikisource generally prefers making pages legible to [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Formatting|formatting them exactly like the original.]]  Although it is clear that in [[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:%22Round_the_world.%22_-_Letters_from_Japan,_China,_India,_and_Egypt_(IA_roundworldletter00fogg_0).pdf/149&amp;oldid=14189225|this edit]], the &quot;poem&quot; tag was used in good faith, this can cause problems when the pages are transcluded to the main namespace, which I am in the process of doing.  For future pages in works which are not poems, tables or other works where proper formatting is essential to the work's meaning, please keep this in mind for the purposes of the final work.</text>
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// &lt;nowiki&gt;
&quot;use strict&quot;;
`poemise
poemise+
transclude
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clean
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cuts
rhalt
addtpp
pagenum
close
nts
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mtv
rc
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`.split(&quot;\n&quot;).map(x =&gt; &quot;User:Alien333/&quot;+x+&quot;.js&quot;).forEach(x =&gt; importScript(x));
importScript(&quot;w:User:Ahecht/Scripts/TemplateSearch.js&quot;);
importScript(&quot;w:User:Nardog/CopySectLink&quot;);
mw.loader.load('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Inductiveload/popups reloaded.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript'); // these look cool
mw.loader.load(&quot;//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Inductiveload/popups_reloaded.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;, 'text/css');
mw.loader.load('//wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TranscludedIn.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript');
mw.hook( &quot;lintHint.config&quot; ).fire( { rooms : &quot;*&quot; } );
mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.util'], () =&gt; {
  $(() =&gt; { 
    if (mw.config.get('wgCanonicalNamespace') == '' &amp;&amp; mw.config.get(&quot;wgPageName&quot;).includes(&quot;/&quot;) &amp;&amp; $(&quot;#firstHeading&quot;)[0].innerHTML.includes(&quot;Creating&quot;)) { // too specific stuff
    	mainspacetricks();
    } else if (mw.config.get(&quot;wgCanonicalNamespace&quot;) == &quot;Page&quot; &amp;&amp; [&quot;edit&quot;, &quot;submit&quot;].includes(mw.config.get(&quot;wgAction&quot;))) {
    	$(&quot;.editButtons&quot;).on(&quot;click&quot;, (e) =&gt; pos(e) );
    }
    if (mw.config.get(&quot;wgCanonicalNamespace&quot;) == &quot;Page&quot;) {
    	mw.util.addCSS(&quot;.vector-header-container { position:sticky; top:0; z-index:10; }&quot;);
    }
    let api = new mw.Api();
	api.get({action:&quot;query&quot;, prop:&quot;categoryinfo&quot;, titles:&quot;Category:Speedy deletion requests&quot;})
		.done(a =&gt; {
			if (Object.values(a.query.pages)[0].categoryinfo.size)
			$(&quot;body&quot;).prepend(`&lt;a style=&quot;font-size:500%&quot; href=&quot;https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Speedy_deletion_requests&quot;&gt;speedies&lt;/a&gt;`);
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	var name =  mw.config.get(&quot;wgPageName&quot;).split(&quot;/&quot;)[0].replaceAll(/[\)\(]/g, &quot;&quot;).replaceAll(&quot;_&quot;, &quot; &quot;); // again, my own naming conventions for indexes
	if (name.slice(0,6) == &quot;Poems &quot;) {
		l = l.replace(&quot;[[../]]&quot;, &quot;[[../|Poems]]&quot;);// I usually do works titled Poems (author name), this keeps me from having to add |Poems for every single subpage
	}
	l = l.replace(&quot;| previous   = \n&quot;, &quot;| previous   = [[../\n&quot;);
	l = l.replace(&quot;| next       = \n&quot;, &quot;| next       = [[../\n&quot;);
	if (!l.includes(&quot;&lt;pages&quot;) &amp;&amp; l.trim().length &gt; 0) {
		l = l + '&lt;pages index=&quot;'+name +'.djvu&quot; include= /&gt;';
	}
	$(&quot;#wpTextbox1&quot;).val(l).trigger(&quot;input&quot;);
}
let pos = (e) =&gt; {
	if ($(&quot;#wpTextbox1&quot;).val().split(&quot;\n&quot;).some(x =&gt; (x.replaceAll(&quot;'''&quot;, &quot;''&quot;).replaceAll(&quot;''&quot;, &quot;\t&quot;).replaceAll(/[^\t]/g, &quot;&quot;).length % 2 == 1))) {
		e.preventDefault();
		alert(&quot;Invalid italic/bold detected.&quot;);
	} else {
		$(&quot;#wpTextbox1&quot;).val($(&quot;#wpTextbox1&quot;).val()
			.replaceAll(&quot;&amp;\n&quot;, `&lt;section end=&quot;a&quot;/&gt;

{{rule|2em}}

&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|`)
		);
	}
};
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// &lt;nowiki&gt;
&quot;use strict&quot;;
`poemise
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clean
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cuts
rhalt
addtpp
pagenum
close
nts
prefillalt
mtv
rc
sandbox
imagesalt
`.split(&quot;\n&quot;).map(x =&gt; &quot;User:Alien333/&quot;+x+&quot;.js&quot;).forEach(x =&gt; importScript(x));
importScript(&quot;w:User:Ahecht/Scripts/TemplateSearch.js&quot;);
importScript(&quot;w:User:Nardog/CopySectLink.js&quot;);
mw.loader.load('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Inductiveload/popups reloaded.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript'); // these look cool
mw.loader.load(&quot;//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Inductiveload/popups_reloaded.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;, 'text/css');
mw.loader.load('//wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TranscludedIn.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript');
mw.hook( &quot;lintHint.config&quot; ).fire( { rooms : &quot;*&quot; } );
mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.util'], () =&gt; {
  $(() =&gt; { 
    if (mw.config.get('wgCanonicalNamespace') == '' &amp;&amp; mw.config.get(&quot;wgPageName&quot;).includes(&quot;/&quot;) &amp;&amp; $(&quot;#firstHeading&quot;)[0].innerHTML.includes(&quot;Creating&quot;)) { // too specific stuff
    	mainspacetricks();
    } else if (mw.config.get(&quot;wgCanonicalNamespace&quot;) == &quot;Page&quot; &amp;&amp; [&quot;edit&quot;, &quot;submit&quot;].includes(mw.config.get(&quot;wgAction&quot;))) {
    	$(&quot;.editButtons&quot;).on(&quot;click&quot;, (e) =&gt; pos(e) );
    }
    if (mw.config.get(&quot;wgCanonicalNamespace&quot;) == &quot;Page&quot;) {
    	mw.util.addCSS(&quot;.vector-header-container { position:sticky; top:0; z-index:10; }&quot;);
    }
    let api = new mw.Api();
	api.get({action:&quot;query&quot;, prop:&quot;categoryinfo&quot;, titles:&quot;Category:Speedy deletion requests&quot;})
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557 

CHAPTER XXXIII.

Retrospective Glance at Sinde – Our Commercial and Political Relations with that Country – Imputed Treachery of the Ameers – A British Army assembles at Sukkur under Sir Charles Napier – He advances on Hyderabad – The Beloochees attack the British Residency – Escape of the Commissioner – Battle of Meeanee – Surrender of the Ameers – Treasure taken at Hyderabad – Battle of Dubba – Final Defeat of the Beloochees, and Annexation of Sinde – Affairs of Gwalior – Dreadful State of that Country – Intervention of the Governor-General – British Troops advance from Agra – Battles of Maharajpoor and Punnear – Submission of the Refractory, and Settlement of the Country
573

CHAPTER XXXIV.

The first Punjaub War – Description of the Sikhs – They resolve to invade the British Territory – Preparations to repel the Invasion – The Sikhs cross the Sutledge – Battle of Moodkee and Defeat of the Sikhs – Death of Sir Robert Sale – Battle of Ferozeshuhr – Night Engagement – Signal Defeat of the Sikhs – Battle of Aliwal – Glorious Victory over the Sikhs at Sobraon – The British Troops cross the Sutledge – Capture of Lahore – Conclusion of the War
589

CHAPTER XXXV.

Fresh Insurrection in the Punjaub – Treacherous Conduct of the Governor of Mooltan – Murder of Mr. Vans Agnew and Lieutenant Anderson – Alarming Conspiracy discovered at Lahore – The Sikhs raise the Standard of Revolt – Successful Diversion of Lieutenant Edwardes – Defeat of the Mooltan Troops by Col. Cortlandt and Lieutenant Edwardes – Mooltan invested by the British under General Whish – Defection of Shere Singh – Junction of the Sikh Forces – Advance of the British under the Commander-in-Chief – Siege of Mooltan – Dreadful Explosion – Surrender of Mooltan – Battle of Chillianwallah – Battle of Goojerat, and final Extinction of the Sikh Army – The Punjaub annexed to our Empire in the East – Conclusion
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And doth not turn to the proud and to lying apostates. 

6 Much hast Thou done, Jahve, my God, in Thy wonders 

and Thy thoughts on our behalf ; 
Nothing can be compared unto Thee, 
Else would I declare and speak — 
They are too numerous to be numbered. 

7 Sacrifice and meat-offering dost Thou not desire, 
Ears hast Thou digged for me, 

Burnt-offering and sin-offering dost Thou not require. 

8 Then said I : &quot; Lo, I come with the roll of the book which 

is written concerning me. 

9 To do Thy will, my God, do I desire, 
And Thy Law is in my inward part.&quot; 

10 I brought glad tidings of righteousness in the great con* 
Lo, I closed not my lips ; [gregation, 
Jahve, Thou, even Thou knowest it. 

11 Thy righteousness did I not hide within my heart, 
Thy faithfulness and Thy salvation did I declare, 

I concealed not Thy loving-kindness and Thy truth from 
the great congregation. 

12 Do Thou, then, Jahve, not shut up Thy tender mercies 

from me, 
Let Thy loving-kindness and Thy truth continually prc» 
tect me. 

13 For evils have surrounded me without number, 

Mine iniquities have taken hold upon me and I am not able 

to see ; 
They are more numerous than the hairs of my head, 
And my heart hath failed me. 

14 Be pleased, O Jahve, to deliver me ; 
Jahve, to my help make haste ! 

15 Let those be ashamed and confounded together who seek 

my sonl to destroy it ; 
Let those fall back and be put to shame who desire my 
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by the deposition of new matter in layers, a process which, in
accordance with the old rule, ''a potiori fit denominatio'', may be
most aptly termed the lignification of the plant.

If, in respect to the growth of the plant, we now hold to the literal sense conveyed under No. 1, then this question must arise,—Where are the new cells formed? Here three instances comprise all possible replies. Namely, the new cells are either formed outside on the surface of the entire previous mass, or in its interior; and in that case again either in the intercellular spaces or in the cells themselves; ''quartum non datur''.

Mirbel, in two extremely ingenious and profound memoirs
on the ''Marchantia polymorpha'', which he presented to the
French Academy in 1831 and 1832 (p. 32), has expressed the
opinion, that all the three cases just now mentioned as possible
do actually occur in plants. Without intending here to anticipate what follows, I must remark that only one case (the formation of new cells within the old ones) appears to be proved by his direct observations. The second case is merely a conclusion drawn, and the germination of the sporules of the ''Marchantiæ'', which was to elucidate the third case, has been observed by me to be quite different, as I have already represented above.

Finally, however, we have yet to examine whether the difference of the organs may not establish such a physiological difference of growth as may merit our attention. We may distinguish here four instances. We observe: 1. The development of the plants in the upward direction (''in puncto vegetationis'', C. Fr. Wolff). 2. The elongation downwards. We thus comprise the formation of the necessary organs of the plant, the stem, the leaves (with their metamorphoses), and the
root. 3. We have to keep in view the production of accidental
organs, for example, bulbs, &amp;c. And, 4. We find an annual thickening of the axile formations, the development of the woody stem.

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Brown and Meyen have enumerated many instances where
they observed the cytoblast in very young pollen-cells. In
''Pinus'', ''Abies'', ''Podostemon'', ''Lupinus'' and others, I have traced the development of the pollen after Mirbel perfectly; I have
distinctly observed the cell-nuclei and their development into
new cells within one another in ''Abies'', never having missed the
cytoblast in young cells.

Now if the pollen-grains be nothing more than converted leaf-parenchyma, if the anther be merely a metamorphosis of
the leaf, we may certainly infer inversely that the process
which we have observed in it, and which characterized the
formation of the embryo and cotyledons (as prototypes of the
leaf) will be again found in all foliaceous organs. For the
same reason which was stated with respect to the later stages
of the development of the embryo, actual observation is infinitely difficult in this case. I have nevertheless examined a
great many buds in reference to this point, and have most decidedly convinced myself of the identity of the process both in the constantly elongating apex of the axis, and in the leaves which always originate somewhat beneath it. Succulent plants,
the ''Aloineæ'' and ''Crassulacee'', are best adapted for this purpose.
''Crassula Portulaca'' seemed to me most advantageous, for in it
I first succeeded in separating some cells from their connexion,
in whose interior young cells were already developed, without,
however, entirely filling the parent-cell. But having once be-
come familiar with the subject, I was afterwards able to detect
these individualities from amongst the apparently semi-organised
chaos in all other plants. Another circumstance indeed pre-
sents itself here, which renders the subject much more difficult
than in the case of the embryo. For, independently of the
minuteness of the cells, their walls, in those parts of the plant
which are just newly formed, still consist merely of jelly, and
are so delicate that it is exceedingly difficult to separate the
parts intended for examination without completely destroying
the organization. (Compare plate I, figs. 22-4.)

This process is more easily perceptible in articulated hairs,
and in such as have a head consisting of several cells, where
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new cells within one another in ''Abies'', never having missed the
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Now if the pollen-grains be nothing more than converted leaf-parenchyma, if the anther be merely a metamorphosis of
the leaf, we may certainly infer inversely that the process
which we have observed in it, and which characterized the
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great many buds in reference to this point, and have most decidedly convinced myself of the identity of the process both in the constantly elongating apex of the axis, and in the leaves which always originate somewhat beneath it. Succulent plants,
the ''Aloineæ'' and ''Crassulacee'', are best adapted for this purpose.
''Crassula Portulaca'' seemed to me most advantageous, for in it
I first succeeded in separating some cells from their connexion,
in whose interior young cells were already developed, without,
however, entirely filling the parent-cell. But having once become familiar with the subject, I was afterwards able to detect
these individualities from amongst the apparently semi-organised
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minuteness of the cells, their walls, in those parts of the plant
which are just newly formed, still consist merely of jelly, and
are so delicate that it is exceedingly difficult to separate the
parts intended for examination without completely destroying
the organization. (Compare plate I, figs. 22-4.)

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So soon as the secretion of this organized mass, the wood,
takes place, for instance, we suddenly miss the influence of the
law of formation, which, until then, had without exception
directed the growth of the entire plant in all its parts. Here,
so far as we are at present acquainted with the subject, there is
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In like manner, no result has been obtained from the con-
troversies which have been sometimes carried on with great
warmth respecting the function of spiral vessels, nor could
any be gained, because each party meant the spiral vessels of
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So soon as the secretion of this organized mass, the wood,
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law of formation, which, until then, had without exception
directed the growth of the entire plant in all its parts. Here,
so far as we are at present acquainted with the subject, there is
no formation of cells within cells, here no expansion on all sides
of the originally minute vesicle occurs, there is here no cytoblast upon which the young might be developed ; but beneath
the outermost layer of cells, which are comprised in the term
bark, an organisable fluid is poured out, as it were, into a single,
large, intercellular space, which fluid, as it seems, consolidates
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one upon another, the so-called prosenchyma. Here, moreover, there is decidedly no formation of vascular bundles from
cells of lower dignity, for all of them originate simultaneously
and of their full size; and what has been called (spiral) vessels
of the wood, is something which differs immensely from the
spiral vessels of herbaceous plants, both in respect of their
origin, and probably of their physiological signification also.&lt;ref&gt;This position has undergone essential modifications, in consequence of subsequent researches which I have made with respect to the cambium, and which proved that a cambium, in the sense in which it had been previously used in physiology, namely, as denoting an amorphous formative fluid between the wood and bark, had no existence at all; that the wood and the bark, on the contrary, form one uninterrupted continuity, and their margin is merely denoted by a layer of delicately-walled, gelatinous cellular tissue.&lt;/ref&gt;
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{{sc|Orestes}} ''and the'' Old Man—{{sc|Pylades}} ''is present''.}}

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{{sc|Old Man}}. Son of the king who led the Achaean host&lt;br /&gt;
Erewhile beleaguering Troy, ’tis thine to-day&lt;br /&gt;
To see around thee what through many a year&lt;br /&gt;
Thy forward spirit hath sighed for. Argolis&lt;br /&gt;
Lies here before us, hallowed as the scene&lt;br /&gt;
Of Io’s wildering pain: yonder, the mart&lt;br /&gt;
Named from the wolf-slaying God, and there, to our left,&lt;br /&gt;
Hera’s famed temple. For we reach the bourn&lt;br /&gt;
Of far-renowned Mycenae, rich in gold.&lt;br /&gt;
And Pelops’ fatal roofs before us rise,&lt;br /&gt;
Haunted with many horrors, whence my hand,&lt;br /&gt;
Thy murdered sire then lying in his gore,&lt;br /&gt;
Received thee from thy sister, and removed&lt;br /&gt;
Where I have kept thee safe and nourished thee&lt;br /&gt;
To this bright manhood thou dost bear, to be&lt;br /&gt;
The avenger of thy father’s bloody death.&lt;br /&gt;
Wherefore, Orestes, and thou, Pylades,&lt;br /&gt;
Dearest of friends, though from a foreign soil,&lt;br /&gt;
Prepare your enterprise with speed. Dark night&lt;br /&gt;
Is vanished with her stars, and day’s bright orb&lt;br /&gt;
Hath waked the birds of morn into full song.&lt;br /&gt;
Now, then, ere foot of man go forth, ye two&lt;br /&gt;
Knit counsels. ’Tis no time for shy delay:&lt;br /&gt;
The very moment for your act is come.

{{sc|Or}}. Kind faithful friend, how well thou mak’st appear&lt;br /&gt;
Thy constancy in service to our house!&lt;br /&gt;
As some good steed, aged, but nobly bred,&lt;br /&gt;
Slacks not his spirit in the day of war,&lt;br /&gt;
But points his ears to the fray, even so dost thou&lt;br /&gt;
Press on and urge thy master in the van.&lt;br /&gt;
Hear, then, our purpose, and if aught thy mind,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;
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{{double rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Rom. And stay, good nurse, behind the abbey-
wall:
Within this hour my man shall be with thee,
And bring thee cords made like a tackled stair;
Which to the high top-gallant of my joy
Must be my convoy in the secret night.
Farewell! Be trusty, and I'll quite thy pains.
Farewell! Commend me to thy mistress.

Nurse. Now, God in heaven bless thee!-Hark
you, sir.

Rom. What say'st thou, my dear nurse?

Nurse. Is your man secret! Did you ne'er hear
say,
Two may keep counsel, putting one away?

Rom. I warrant thee; my man's true as steel.

Nurse. Well, sir; my mistress is the sweetest
lady Lord, lord!-when 'twas a little prating
thing,―O!-There's a nobleman in town, one
Paris, that would fain lay knife aboard; but she,
good soul, had as lieve see a toad, a very toad, as
see him. I anger her sometimes, and tell her that
Paris is the properer man; but, I'll warrant you,
when I say so, she looks as pale as any clout in the
varsal world. Doth not rosemary and Romeo begin
both with a letter?

Rom. Ay, nurse; What of that? both with an R.

Nurse. Ah, mocker! that's the dog's name. R
is for thee? no: I know it begins with some other
letter; and she has the prettiest sententious of it,
of you and rosemary, that it would do you good to
hear it.

Rom. Commend me to thy lady.

Nurse. Ay, a thousand times.-Peter!

Pet. Anon?

Nurse. Peter, take my fan, and go before.

[Exit.

[Exeunt.

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{{c|{{sc|Scene V. Capulet's}} ''Garden''.&lt;br&gt;
''Enter'' {{sc|Juliet}}.}}

Jul. The clock struck nine, when 1 did send the
nurse;
In half an hour she promis'd to return.
Perchance, she cannot meet him :—that's not so.—
O! she is lamelove's heralds should be thoughts,
Which ten times faster glide than the sun's beams
Driving back shadows over lowering hills:
Therefore do nimble-pinion'd doves draw love,
And therefore hath the wind-swift Cupid wings.
Now is the sun upon the highmost hill
Of this day's journey; and from nine till twelve
Is three long hours, yet she is not come.
Had she affections, and warm youthful blood,
She'd be as swift in motion as a ball;
My words would bandy her to my sweet love,
And his to me: 
But old folks, many feign as they were dead;
Unwieldy, slow, heavy, and pale as lead.

{{c|''Enter Nurse and'' {{sc|Peter}}.}}
O God! she comes.-O honey nurse! what news?
Hast thou met with him? Send thy man away.

Nurse. Peter, stay at the gate. [Exit PETER.

Jul. Now, good sweet nurse, -O lord! why
look'st thou sad?
Though news be sad, yet tell them merrily;
If good, thou sham'st the music of sweet news
By playing it to me with so sour a face.

Nurse. I am aweary, give me leave awhile.
Fie, how my bones ache! What a jaunt have I
had!

Jul. I would, thou hadst my bones, and I thy
news:
Nay, come, I pray thee, speak ;-good, good nurse,
speak.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The numbers after the titles of the acts are the act numbers. Acts are referenced using 'Year', asp, 'Act Number'.

==1999==
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|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
|[[Mental Health (Public Safety and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 1999]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to add public safety to the grounds for not discharging certain patients detained under the [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]]; to provide for appeal against the decision of the sheriff on applications by these patients for their discharge; and to amend the definition of “mental disorder” in that Act.||1999 asp 1||{{RepealedUK|Scot=[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]]}}
|}

==2000-2009==
===2000===
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|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
|[[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public resources and finances and, for the purposes of section 70 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]], about accountability for their use; and for connected purposes||2000 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2000/01, for payments out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund and the application of sums otherwise payable into the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for payments out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 2||
|-
|[[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about religion to be gathered.||2000 asp 3||
|-
|[[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the property, financial affairs and personal welfare of adults who are incapable by reason of mental disorder or inability to communicate; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 4||
|-
|[[Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the feudal system of land tenure; to abolish a related system of land tenure; to make new provision as respects the ownership of land; to make consequential provision for the extinction and recovery of feuduties and of certain other perpetual periodical payments and for the extinction by prescription of any obligation to pay redemption money under the [[Land Tenure Reform (Scotland) Act 1974]]; to make further provision as respects real burdens affecting land; to provide for the disentailment of land; to discharge all rights of irritancy held by superiors; to abolish the obligation of thirlage; to prohibit with certain exceptions the granting of leases over land for periods exceeding 175 years; to make new provision as respects conveyancing; to enable firms with separate personality to own land; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 5||
|-
|[[Standards in Scotland's Schools etc. Act 2000]] {{ssl|Standards in Scotland’s Schools etc. Act 2000 (ASP 2000-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects school education, the welfare of pupils attending independent schools and corporal punishment of pupils for whom school education is provided; to make further provision as respects School Boards; to make further provision as respects the functions, constitution and structure of the General Teaching Council for Scotland; to abolish the committee known as the Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for School Education; to make further provision relating to the inspection of institutions within the higher education sector which educate and train persons to be, or persons who are, teachers in schools; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 6||
|-
|[[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a framework for securing the observance of high standards of conduct by councillors and other persons holding public appointments; and to repeal section 2A of the [[Local Government Act 1986]] and make provision as to how councils are to exercise functions which relate principally to children.||2000 asp 7||
|-
|[[Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment of grants in respect of the education and training of certain individuals.||2000 asp 8||
|-
|[[Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the law about bail; to enable alteration in the number of judges in the Inner House of the Court of Session; to abolish temporary sheriffs and create a new kind of sheriff; to change the law about justices of the peace; and to abolish district court prosecutions brought on behalf of or by local authorities.||2000 asp 9||
|-
|[[National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for National Parks.||2000 asp 10||
|-
|[[Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate surveillance and the use of covert human intelligence sources.||2000 asp 11||
|-
|[[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Amendment (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 7(4) of the [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967]] in respect of rights of several fishery.||2000 asp 12||
|}

===2001===
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! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
|[[Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001]] {{ssl|Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name1=original act|Correction Slip - Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name2=correction slip}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish poindings and warrant sales.||2001 asp 1||
|-
|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Transport (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about transport; to make provision as respects certain bridges; to amend section 21 of the [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970]]; to amend section 40 of the [[Road Traffic Act 1988]]; to amend sections 26, 28 and 63 of the [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 2||
|-
|[[Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the conservation of salmon and sea trout.||2001 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 4||
|-
|[[Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the extinction of leasehold casualties; for the payment of compensation on their extinction; for irritancy provisions in certain leases of land to be void; for the disapplication, in relation to certain leases, of the rule of law entitling a landlord in certain circumstances to terminate a lease; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 5||
|-
|[[Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment by certain persons of the graduate endowment; to make provision in relation to the use of income arising from the graduate endowment for the purposes of the financial support of students; to make further provision as respects financial support for students; and to make provision exempting students from liability for council tax.||2001 asp 6||
|-
|[[Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend certain enactments relating to the sentencing and release of life prisoners, the constitution and powers of the Parole Board, legal advice and assistance and legal aid, homosexual offences and the appointment and removal of the procurator fiscal of the Lyon Court which are or may be incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights; and to enable further changes in the law where it is or may be incompatible with the Convention.||2001 asp 7||
|-
|[[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care and the Scottish Social Services Council; to make provision for the registration and regulation of care services and for the registration, regulation and training of social service workers; to enable local authorities to make grants in respect of activities relating to child care and family support and to make direct payments to children in respect of certain care services; to enable the Scottish Ministers to delegate a power to make certain grants and loans for social work; to make further provision as respects payments by local authorities towards maintenance of certain children residing with and being cared for by persons other than their parents; to enable local authorities to provide and maintain residential accommodation in which nursing is provided; to make further provision as respects persons who have been looked after by local authorities; to amend the definition of “place of safety&quot; in the [[Children (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to make further provision as respects the appointment for children of curators ad litem, reporting officers and safeguarders; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 8||
|-
|[[Scottish Local Authorities (Tendering) Act 2001]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the time limit on the period during which the provisions about competition in the [[Local Government Act 1988]] may be modified in relation to local authorities.||2001 asp 9||
|-
|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Housing (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about homelessness and the allocation of housing accommodation by social landlords, the tenants of social landlords, the regulation of social landlords, Scottish Homes, the strategic housing functions of the Scottish Ministers and local authorities and grants for improvement and repairs; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 10||
|-
|[[Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the suspension in certain circumstances of enforcement rights of a creditor in a standard security over property used for residential purposes and the continuation of proceedings relating to those rights; to make provision for notifying tenants and other occupiers of enforcement action by a creditor in a standard security; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 11||
|-
|[[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001]] {{ssl|Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restore, with retrospective effect (other than as regards criminal liability), the power to levy tolls conferred by section 1(1) of the [[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 1968]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 12||
|-
|[[International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for offences under the law of Scotland corresponding to offences within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court; to enable assistance to be provided to that court in relation to investigations and prosecutions; to make provision in relation to the enforcement of sentences and orders of that court; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 13||
|-
|[[Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable a power of arrest to be attached to interdicts granted to protect individuals from abuse; to regulate the consequences of such attachment; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 14||
|-
|[[Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the carrying forward by police authorities, joint police boards and joint fire boards of unspent balances from one financial year to the next; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 15||
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===2002===
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|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the synchronisation of the polls at local government elections with the polls at elections to the Scottish Parliament; to make some minor rectifications in enactments relating to the timing of elections; and to make provision in relation to the casting and counting of votes at, and the sending of election communications in connection with, local government elections.||2002 asp 1||
|-
|[[School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law about the provision of education for children under school age for whom placing requests have been made; and to make provision relating to the abolition of the post of assistant headteacher.||2002 asp 2||
|-
|[[Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision in relation to the Water Industry Commissioner for Scotland and to provide for the establishment of Water Customer Consultation Panels; to make further provision in relation to the regulation of the quality of drinking water; to make provision for the establishment of Scottish Water, the transfer to Scottish Water of the functions of the water and sewerage authorities established by section 62(1) of the [[Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994]] and the dissolution of those authorities and in relation to the functions of Scottish Water; to make further amendments of the law relating to water and sewerage; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 3||
|-
|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide, retrospectively, as to the effect on trial diets in summary proceedings of arrest warrants granted at intermediate diets.||2002 asp 4||
|-
|[[Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects social care; to make provision in relation to arrangements and payments between National Health Service bodies and local authorities as respects certain of their functions; to amend the law relating to the National Health Service; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 5||
|-
|[[Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to protect wild mammals from being hunted with dogs; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 6||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 7||
|-
|[[Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Marriage (Scotland) Act 1977]] to enable civil marriages to be solemnised in certain places approved by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 8||
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|[[Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit persons charged with certain sexual offences from conducting their own defence at the trial; to provide for the appointment of solicitors to defend those persons where they do not make those appointments themselves; to prevent those persons from personally precognoscing or taking statements from alleged victims; to require those persons to give notice of defences of consent; to make new provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of alleged victims at trials of those persons for those offences; to provide for disclosure of those persons' previous convictions of sexual offences where such evidence is allowed; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 9||
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|[[Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the keeping of animals solely or primarily for slaughter for the value of their fur; to provide for the making of payments in respect of the related closure of certain businesses; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 10||
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|[[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002 (ASP 2002-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 91 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) for the appointment and functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 11||
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|[[Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require bodies responsible for schools to prepare and implement strategies relating to the accessibility, for pupils with a disability, of school education; and to make provision in respect of the educational records of school pupils.||2002 asp 12||
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|[[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the disclosure of information held by Scottish public authorities or by persons providing services for them; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 13||
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|[[Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002 (ASP 2002-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the members of the Scottish Qualifications Authority; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to regulate the procedure of that Authority; to provide for the establishment of a committee to consider and advise on matters relating to qualifications awarded by, and the functions and procedures of, that Authority; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 14||
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|[[University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002]] {{ssl|University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to permit the University of St. Andrews to grant postgraduate research degrees in medicine to qualified medical practitioners.||2002 asp 15||
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002 (ASP 2002-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to investigate complaints about the conduct of members of the Parliament and to report upon the outcome of such investigations to the Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 16||
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|[[Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide a scheme under which individuals may arrange for their debts to be paid under payment programmes; to create a new diligence in relation to corporeal moveable property owned by a debtor; to make special provision for the use of that diligence in relation to property kept in dwellinghouses; to abolish poindings and warrant sales; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 17||
|}

===2003===
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|[[Local Government in Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|Local Government in Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide anew about the way in which local authorities discharge their functions and about the local provision of certain public services; to give local authorities power to do things which they consider will advance well-being; to provide exemptions and reliefs from non-domestic rates in relation to certain lands and heritages; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to combine certain lands and heritages for the purposes of assessing rateable value; to require local authorities to prepare, and endeavour to implement, a plan relating to the carrying out of their waste disposal and collection functions; to make new provision about the capital expenditure of those authorities and about the making of capital grants to them; to make some miscellaneous provisions connected with the functions of local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 1||
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|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish statutory public rights of access to land for recreational and other purposes, and to extend some of the provisions for that purpose to rights of way and other rights; to make provision under which bodies representing rural and crofting communities may buy the land with which those communities have a connection; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 2||
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|[[Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protection of the water environment, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2000/60/EC]]; to amend the [[Sewerage (Scotland) Act 1968]] and the [[Water (Scotland) Act 1980]] in relation to the provision of water and sewerage services; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 3||
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|[[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make provision in respect of appointments to certain public bodies; to dissolve certain public bodies; to make provision as to certain functions of Health Boards and National Health Service trusts; to make provision as to the functions of the Law Society of Scotland and the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal regarding the regulation of conveyancing and executry practitioners and the provision of services by such practitioners; to make modifications in relation to those services, including conferring certain notarial and other functions on such practitioners; to establish the Historic Environment Advisory Council for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 4||
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|[[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to keep a list of individuals whom they consider to be unsuitable to work with children; to prohibit individuals included in the list, and individuals who are similarly regarded in other jurisdictions, from doing certain work relating to children; to make further provision in relation to that list; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 5||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; to amend section 3 of, and schedule 1 to, the [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] (asp 4); and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 6||
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|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to criminal justice, criminal procedure and evidence in criminal proceedings; to make provision as to the arrest, sentencing, custody and release of offenders and the obtaining of reports in relation to offenders; to make provision for the provision of assistance by local authorities to persons who are arrested and are in police custody or who are subject to a deferred sentence and for the making of grants to local authorities exercising jointly certain functions in relation to offenders and other persons; to make provision for the protection of the public at large from persons with a propensity to commit certain offences and for the establishment of the Risk Management Authority; to make provision for the granting of certain rights to the victims of crime; to make provision as to the jurisdiction of courts and the designation of certain courts as drugs courts; to make provision in relation to the physical punishment of children; to create offences in connection with traffic in prostitution or for purposes connected with pornography; to make provision as to the criminal law as it relates to bribery and the acceptance of bribes; to make provision in relation to criminal legal assistance; to require the aggravation of an offence by religious prejudice to be taken into account in sentencing; to make provision as respects police ranks and the powers and duties of certain civilians employed by police authorities; to make provision for the disqualification of convicted persons from jury service in both criminal and civil proceedings and for the separation of juries after retiral; to make provision for the use of live television links between prisons and courts; to make provision in relation to warrants to search; to amend Part V of the [[Police Act 1997]] in its application to Scotland; to make provision in relation to the prohibition of certain matters in respect of cases referred to the Principal Reporter; to amend the law relating to penalties for wildlife offences; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 7||
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|[[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Building (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision with respect to buildings, building standards, work in relation to buildings and related matters; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 8||
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|[[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects real burdens, servitudes and certain other obligations affecting land; to amend the law relating to the ranking of standard securities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 9||
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|[[Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about homelessness; to provide for the giving of notice to local authorities of proceedings for possession and enforcement of standard securities; to amend section 18 of the [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1988]] in relation to recovery of possession of assured tenancies for non-payment of rent; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 10||
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|[[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to agricultural holdings under the [[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991]]; to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancies and to make provision in relation to these tenancies; to provide for the right of certain agricultural tenants to buy land; to provide for the use of certain agricultural land for non-agricultural purposes; to make special provision for certain agricultural tenancies where the tenant is a partnership; to make new provision for the resolution of disputes between landlords and tenants arising under agricultural tenancies; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 11||
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|[[Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the offence of dog fouling, including fixed penalty notices for such an offence; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 12||
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|[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-13 qp).pdf}} ||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 13||
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|[[Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the discharge of functions of the Council of the Law Society of Scotland and the appointment and constitution of committees and sub-committees of that Council.||2003 asp 14||
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|[[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate, with amendments recommended by the Scottish Law Commission, the enactments relating to salmon and freshwater fisheries in Scotland.||2003 asp 15||
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|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for a certain piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens and to disapply the effect of section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2003 asp 16||
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|[[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 17||
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|[[Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers on the Scottish Ministers to prescribe circumstances in which education authorities are obliged to ensure that provision is made for pupils to receive milk, meals or other refreshments free of charge; and to provide that the first exercise of those powers has retrospective effect.||2003 asp 18||
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|[[Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-19 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate matters relating to navigation and fishing in connection with the provision of an offshore wind farm in navigable waters within the Solway Firth; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 19||
|}

===2004===
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|[[Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the provision of primary medical services; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 2||
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|[[Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of children and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal or civil proceedings; to provide for evidential presumptions in criminal proceedings where certain reports of identification procedures are lodged as productions; to make provision about the admissibility of expert psychological or psychiatric evidence as to subsequent behaviour of the complainer in criminal proceedings in respect of certain offences; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof where a child witness under the age of 12 is to give evidence at the trial; to enable the court to prohibit persons from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof in other criminal proceedings in which a vulnerable witness is to give evidence; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from seeking to precognosce personally a child under the age of 12; to make provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of witnesses in proceedings before a sheriff relating to the establishment of grounds of referral to children’s hearings; to abolish the competence test for witnesses in criminal and civil proceedings; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 3||
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|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for additional support in connection with the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 4||
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|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in connection with proceedings in the High Court of Justiciary, for the holding of preliminary hearings prior to the trial diet; to make new provision as to the continuation of the trial diet in proceedings in the High Court; to amend the time limit for commencement of the trial in proceedings in the High Court; in connection with solemn criminal proceedings generally, to amend the consequences of failure to comply with time limits, to make further provision as to citation of the accused, witnesses and jurors, to require any solicitor engaged by the accused to notify the court and the prosecutor of his engagement, withdrawal and dismissal, to make new provision as to the procedure where the trial diet does not proceed, to enable the trial to be conducted in the absence of the accused in certain circumstances, to provide for the apprehension, detention and release on bail of obstructive witnesses, to enable notices and other documents to be served on the accused through his solicitor, to restate with modifications certain provisions in relation to the raising of preliminary pleas and issues and to make new provision as to the adjournment and alteration of diets; to enable persons to be released on bail subject to a requirement that their compliance with conditions of bail restricting their movements be remotely monitored; to make provision entitling the prosecutor to be heard on certain applications relating to bail; to make further provision as to the matters to be dealt with by the sheriff court at a first diet in solemn proceedings; to make new provision as to the procedure to be followed by the court in sentencing offenders who have pled guilty; to increase from three to five years the maximum extended sentence that may be imposed by a sheriff on persons convicted on indictment of certain violent and sexual offences; to make new provision as to the citation of witnesses for precognition by the prosecutor; to clarify when criminal proceedings are finally determined for the purposes of section 10 of the [[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 5); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 5||
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|[[Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the conservation of biodiversity; to make further provision in relation to the conservation and enhancement of Scotland’s natural features; to amend the law relating to the protection of certain birds, animals and plants; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 6||
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|[[National Health Service Reform (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the organisation and operation of the National Health Service and the promotion of health improvement; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 7||
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|[[Antisocial Behaviour etc. (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with antisocial behaviour; to make provision about criminal justice; to make provision in relation to child welfare; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 8||
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|[[Local Governance (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the election of councillors by single transferable vote and in relation to candidates to be councillor; to make provision in relation to certain restrictions upon being a councillor and upon former councillors; to make new provision about remuneration for and other payments to councillors; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 9||
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|[[Stirling-Alloa-Kincardine Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from Stirling to Kincardine; to authorise the construction of the Alloa Eastern Link Road, necessitated by the railway; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 10||
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|[[Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the boundaries and pertinents of properties comprised in tenements and for the regulation of the rights and duties of the owners of properties comprised in tenements; to make minor amendments of the [[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 9); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 11||
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|[[School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004]] {{ssl|1=School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004 (ASP 2004-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer power on the Scottish Ministers, following inspection of a public or grant-aided school or of an education authority, to direct the school managers or the authority to take specified action; to provide that all non-public schools which provide full-time education for pupils of school age are independent schools; to abolish provisional registration of independent schools; to make amended provision for the registration and regulation of independent schools; to provide for appeals to the sheriff principal against certain decisions by the Scottish Ministers in relation to such schools; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 12||
|}

===2005===
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|[[Breastfeeding etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to prevent or stop a person in charge of a child who is otherwise permitted to be in a public place or licensed premises from feeding milk to that child in that place or on those premises; to make provision in relation to the promotion of breastfeeding; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 1||
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|[[Emergency Workers (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to assault or impede persons who provide emergency services; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 2||
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|[[Water Services etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Water Industry Commission for Scotland; to create offences in relation to the unauthorised use of the public water and sewerage systems; to provide for licensing the provision of certain water and sewerage services; to amend the system for fixing charges for services provided by Scottish Water; to make provision as to Scottish Water’s functions; to make provision in relation to coal mine water pollution; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 4||
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|[[Fire (Scotland) Act 2005]]|| An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fire and rescue authorities and joint fire and rescue boards; to restate and amend the law in relation to fire services; to make provision in relation to the functions of such authorities and boards in connection with certain events and situations other than fires; to make provision for implementing in part Council [[Directive 1989/391/EEC|Directives 89/391/EEC]], [[Directive 1989/654/EEC|89/654/EEC]], [[Directive 1991/383/EEC|91/383/EEC]], [[Directive 1994/33/EC|94/33/EC]], [[Directive 1998/24/EC|98/24/EC]] and [[Directive 1999/92/EC|99/92/EC]]; to make other provision in relation to fire safety in certain premises; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 5||
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|[[Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision establishing the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council and provision as to its functions; to make provision as to support for further and higher education; to make provision relating to bodies which provide further and higher education; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 6||
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|[[Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a body having functions exercisable with a view to securing the status of the Gaelic language as an official language of Scotland commanding equal respect to the English language, including the functions of preparing a national Gaelic language plan, of requiring certain public authorities to prepare and publish Gaelic language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions and to maintain and implement such plans, and of issuing guidance in relation to Gaelic education.||2005 asp 7||
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|[[Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to female genital mutilation and to provide for extra-territorial effect; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 8||
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|[[Protection of Children and Prevention of Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to meet a child following certain preliminary contact and to make other provision for the purposes of protecting children from harm of a sexual nature, including provision for implementing in part Council Framework [[Decision 2004/68/JHA]]; and to make further provision about the prevention of sexual offences.||2005 asp 9||
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|[[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about charities and other benevolent bodies; to make provision about fundraising in connection with charities and other benevolent bodies; to amend the law in relation to the investment powers of trustees; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 10||
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|[[Baird Trust Reorganization Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Baird Trust to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve The Baird Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 11||
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|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the setting up and functions of new transport bodies and to enable the Scottish Ministers to discharge certain transport functions; to provide further for the control and co-ordination of road works and for the enforcement of the duties placed on those who carry them out; to set up national concessionary fares schemes; and to make other, miscellaneous modifications of the law relating to transport.||2005 asp 12||
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|[[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in certain wholly or substantially enclosed places; to enable the Scottish Ministers by order to vary the minimum age limit of those to whom tobacco may be sold; to make provision in relation to general dental services, general ophthalmic services, personal dental services, pharmaceutical care services and detection of vision problems in children; to make provision in relation to disqualification by the NHS Tribunal; to enable the Scottish Ministers to establish a scheme for the making of payments to certain persons infected with hepatitis C as a result of NHS treatment and to certain persons infected with the virus by transmission of it from a person infected with it as a result of such treatment; to amend the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] as respects what constitutes an independent health care service, the implementation of certain decisions by the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care or the Scottish Social Services Council, the provision of information to the Council and the minimum frequency of inspection of care services by the Commission; to make provision providing further time for applications to be made for registration of child care agencies and housing support services under the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 and provide authorisation for the payment of certain grants to such services while not registered under that Act; to amend the [[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] as respects authorisation of medical treatment; to amend the [[Public Health (Scotland) Act 1897]] to introduce a right of appeal in certain cases under that Act; to enable the Scottish Ministers to form, participate in and provide assistance to companies for the purpose of providing facilities or services for persons exercising functions under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]] or of making money available to the health service in Scotland; to amend the rules as to membership of and other matters relating to the Scottish Hospital Endowments Research Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 13||
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|[[Management of Offenders etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the establishment of community justice authorities; to make further provision for the supervision and care of persons put on probation or released from prison etc.; to make further provision as respects the procedures etc. of the Risk Management Authority; to make further provision as respects the powers of the High Court following the submission of a risk assessment report or of a report under section 210D of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to amend Part 1 of the Prisoners and [[Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993]] so as to make further provision as respects the release of prisoners on licence; to make further provision for testing prisoners for drugs; to make further provision as respects the jurisdiction of the Scottish courts in proceedings for offences in relation to the notification requirements of Part 2 of the [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]]; to make further provision as respects proceedings in relation to an objection to the content of a risk assessment report; to make provision about the recovery of compensation from offenders; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 14||
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|[[Environmental Assessment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the assessment of the environmental effects of certain plans and programmes, including plans and programmes to which [[Directive 2001/42/EC]] of the European Parliament and of the Council relates; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 15||
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|[[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the sale of alcohol, and for regulating licensed premises and other premises on which alcohol is sold; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 16||
|}

===2006===
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing standards; to confer a right to adapt rented houses to meet the needs of disabled occupants; to provide for the giving of assistance by local authorities in connection with work carried out in relation to houses; to require certain information to be made available on the sale of houses; to regulate the multiple occupation of houses and certain other types of living accommodation; to make provision about mobile homes; to make provision about matters to be considered by local authorities when assessing suitability of persons to act as a landlord; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 1||
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|[[Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in relation to marriage, divorce and the jurisdiction of the courts in certain consistorial actions; to amend the [[Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland) Act 1981]]; to amend the law relating to the domicile of persons who are under 16 years of age; to make further provision as respects responsibilities and rights in relation to children; to make provision conferring rights in relation to property, succession and claims in damages for persons living, or having lived, together as if husband and wife or civil partners; to amend Part 3 of the [[Civil Partnership Act 2004]]; to make further provision in relation to persons entitled to damages under the [[Damages (Scotland) Act 1976]]; to make provision in relation to certain rules of private international law relating to family law; to make incompetent actions for declarator of freedom and putting to silence; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 2||
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|[[Joint Inspection of Children's Services and Inspection of Social Work Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the carrying out of joint inspections of the provision of services to children; and to make provision as to the appointment of persons to act as social work inspectors and their functions.||2006 asp 3||
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|[[Human Tissue (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to activities involving human tissue.||2006 asp 4||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 5||
|-
|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line Two) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh following a western course from St Andrew Square, via Princes Street, Haymarket, Murrayfield and South Gyle to Edinburgh Airport and Newbridge; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 6||
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|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line One) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh forming a loop from St Andrew Square, along Leith Walk to Leith, west to Granton, south to Haymarket and back to St Andrew Square via Princes Street; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 7||
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|[[Scottish Schools (Parental Involvement) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the involvement of parents in their children's education and in school education generally; to provide for the establishment of councils to represent the parents of pupils attending public schools; to abolish School Boards; to make further provision as regards the appointment of teachers; to make further provision as regards the content of the development plan for a school; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 8||
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|[[Senior Judiciary (Vacancies and Incapacity)]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the exercise of functions during vacancies in the offices of Lord President of the Court of Session and Lord Justice Clerk and the incapacity of the holders of those offices.||2006 asp 9||
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|[[Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the police; to make further provision about public order and safety; to make further provision about criminal justice; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 10||
|-
|[[Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Animal Health Act 1981]], including by making provision for preventing the spread of disease; to make provision for the welfare of animals, including for prevention of harm; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 11||
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|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 39 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about the registration and declaration of interests of members of the Scottish Parliament and the prohibition of advocacy by such members in return for payment or benefit in kind; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 12||
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|[[Waverley Railway (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from a point in Midlothian immediately south of Newcraighall in the City of Edinburgh to Tweedbank in Scottish Borders, including stations at Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels and Tweedbank; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 13||
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|[[Local Electoral Administration and Registration Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the administration and conduct of local government elections; to reorganise local registration services; to amend the law in relation to the registration of births and deaths and the procedure in relation to marriages and civil partnerships; to provide for the recording of certain events occurring outwith Scotland in relation to persons who have a Scottish connection; to make available certain information and records held by the Registrar General; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 14||
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|[[Tourist Boards (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename the Scottish Tourist Board, to increase the maximum number of members of that body and to abolish area tourist boards.||2006 asp 15||
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|[[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of the Scottish Commission for Human Rights.||2006 asp 16||
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|[[Planning etc. (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision relating to town and country planning; to make provision for business improvement districts; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 17||
|}

===2007===
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|[[Glasgow Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of a railway from a point east of Paisley St James Station to Glasgow Airport and to make improvements in the existing railway between Paisley St James Station and Glasgow Central Station; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 1||
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|[[St Andrews's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a bank holiday for St Andrew's Day.||2007 asp 2||
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|[[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of sequestration and personal insolvency; to amend the law about floating charges; to establish a Scottish Civil Enforcement Commission and replace officers of court with judicial officers; to amend the law of diligence; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 3||
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|[[Adoption and Children (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to adoption; to make other provision in relation to the care of children; to enable provision to be made in relation to allowances in respect of certain children; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 4||
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|[[Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission; to make provision as regards complaints against members of the legal profession in Scotland and other matters concerning the regulation of that profession; to make provision in connection with the administration of the Scottish Legal Aid Fund, including a register of advice organisations in connection with advice and assistance; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 5||
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|[[Criminal Proceedings etc. (Reform) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to bail in criminal proceedings; to reform certain aspects of summary criminal procedure; to make provision in relation to solemn criminal procedure; to make provision as to maximum penalties in the summary criminal courts; to make provision for the purpose of compensation orders in favour of victims of offences; to make provision for and in relation to alternatives to prosecution; to make provision as to enforcement of financial penalties for offences; to make provision establishing the JP court and for disestablishing the district court; to provide for the inspection of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 6||
|-
|[[Crofting Reform etc. Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards crofting and as regards the Scottish Land Court; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 7||
|-
|[[Transport and Works (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the making of orders related to, or to matters connected with, the construction or operation of railways, tramways, other guided transport systems, trolley vehicle systems and inland waterways; to make changes to procedures applicable to orders and schemes under the [[Roads (Scotland) Act 1984]], the [[Harbours Act 1964]] and the [[Pilotage Act 1987]]; to make further provision as regards grants for purposes relating to transport; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 8||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 9||
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|[[Adult Support and Protection (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purposes of protecting adults from harm; to require the establishment of committees with functions relating to the safeguarding of adults who are at risk of harm; to amend the law relating to incapable adults; to remove an individual’s liability for expenses incurred by councils in performing certain functions in relation to the individual’s spouse or child; to allow the Scottish Ministers to delegate their functions relating to councils' duty to pay sums for the purposes of securing community care services; to make provision entitling a council to recover expenses incurred in providing social services to persons who are not ordinarily resident in the council’s area; to allow the Public Guardian to intervene in court proceedings; to amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 10||
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|[[Prostitution (Public Places) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision in relation to prostitution in public places; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 11||
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|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to fish farms and shellfish farms; in relation to the parasite ''Gyrodactylus salaris''; in relation to salmon and freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; in relation to payments connected with aquaculture and fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 12||
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|[[Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the opening of large shops on Christmas Day and to confer power to prohibit the opening of such shops on New Year’s Day for the purpose of retail trading.||2007 asp 13||
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|[[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to bar certain individuals from working with children or certain adults; to require the Scottish Ministers to keep lists of those individuals; to make further provision in relation to those lists; to establish a scheme under which information about individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults is collated and disclosed; to amend Part 5 of the [[Police Act 1997]]; to amend the meaning of school care accommodation service in the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]]; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 14||
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|[[Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the promotion of health in certain schools and certain school hostels; and to amend the law in relation to the provision of food and drink for certain pupils.||2007 asp 15||
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|[[Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways to link Edinburgh Airport to the national rail network; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 16||
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|[[Custodial Sentences and Weapons (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the confinement and release of prisoners; to make provision relating to the control of weapons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 17||
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|[[Rights of Relatives to Damages (Mesothelioma) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law concerning the right of certain relatives of a deceased person to claim damages in respect of the death of the deceased from mesothelioma.||2007 asp 18||
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|[[Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways between Drumgelloch and Bathgate, including new stations at Caldercruix and Armadale; to authorise the use of land for relocated stations at Drumgelloch and Bathgate; to authorise related improvements to the existing railways between Airdrie and Drumgelloch and Bathgate and Edinburgh; to regularise the operation of certain enactments relating to the existing railway affected by the works so authorised; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 19||
|}

===2008===
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|[[Abolition of Bridge Tolls (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish tolls on road bridges; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 2||
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|[[Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the graduate endowment; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 3||
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|[[Glasgow Commonwealth Games Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Commonwealth Games that are to be held principally in Glasgow in 2014.||2008 asp 4||
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|[[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law on public health; to make provision about mortuaries and the disposal of bodies; to enable the Scottish Ministers to implement their obligations under the International Health Regulations; to make provision relating to the use, sale or hire of sunbeds; to amend the law on statutory nuisances; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 5||
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|[[Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the judiciary and the courts; to establish the Scottish Court Service; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 6||
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|[[Scottish Register of Tartans Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of tartans; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 7||
|}

===2009===
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set out rules to govern the Scottish Parliamentary Pension Scheme; to provide for the payment of resettlement grants to individuals when they stop being members of the Scottish Parliament or holding certain offices; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 2||
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|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the duties of local authorities in relation to parking places for use by disabled persons' vehicles; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 3||
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|[[Damages (Asbestos-related Conditions) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide that certain asbestos-related conditions are actionable personal injuries; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 4||
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|[[Health Boards (Membership and Elections) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the constitution of Health Boards; to provide for piloting of the election of certain members of Health Boards; to require the Scottish Ministers to report on those pilots; to confer a power to extend those elections to all Health Board areas following publication of that report; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 5||
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|[[Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the assessment and sustainable management of flood risks, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2007/60/EC]]; to make provision about local authorities' and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency's functions in relation to flood risk management; to amend the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]]; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 6||
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|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in respect of placing requests in relation to the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs and in respect of arrangements between education authorities in relation to such school education; to make minor provision in relation to additional support needs; to make further provision in relation to the practice and procedure of the Additional Support Needs Tribunals for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 7||
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|[[Offences (Aggravation by Prejudice) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice relating to disability or to sexual orientation or transgender identity.||2009 asp 8||
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|[[Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision about sexual offences, and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 9||
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|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the year in which local government elections fall to be held; and to make provision in relation to the publication of information about votes cast at local government elections.||2009 asp 10||
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|[[Convention Rights Proceedings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the limitation period for bringing certain Convention rights proceedings by virtue of the [[Scotland Act 1998]].||2009 asp 11||
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|[[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set a target for the year 2050, an interim target for the year 2020, and to provide for annual targets, for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; to provide about the giving of advice to the Scottish Ministers relating to climate change; to confer power on Ministers to impose climate change duties on public bodies; to make further provision about mitigation of and adaptation to climate change; to make provision about energy efficiency, including provision enabling council tax discounts; to make provision about the reduction and recycling of waste; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 12||
|}

==2010-2019==
===2010===
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|[[Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about arbitration.||2010 asp 1||
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|[[Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the consultation process that is to apply as respects various proposals made by education authorities for schools; to make special provision for rural schools; to provide for Ministerial call-in of closure proposals; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 2||
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|[[Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the retailing of tobacco products, including provision prohibiting the display of tobacco products and establishing a register of tobacco retailers; to amend the criteria for eligibility to provide primary medical services under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 4||
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|[[Marine (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Marine (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to functions and activities in the Scottish marine area, including provision about marine plans, licensing of marine activities, the protection of the area and its wildlife including seals and regulation of sea fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 5||
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|[[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding the enforcement of standard securities over residential property; to amend the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]] as regards the grounds on which a debtor may apply for sequestration, the types of voluntary trust deed to which the Act applies, the sale or disposal of a debtor's family home and requirements to publish notices about sequestration in the Edinburgh Gazette; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 6||
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|[[Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010 (ASP 2010-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Ure Elder Fund for Indigent Widow Ladies to a successor charitable trust; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 7||
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|[[Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purpose of simplifying public bodies, including the transfer and delegation of certain functions, the dissolution of certain bodies and provision in relation to the regulation of officers of court; to enable provision to be made for the purpose of improving the exercise of public functions and for removing and reducing burdens resulting from legislation; to make provision for the publication of information on expenditure and certain other matters by certain public bodies; to establish Creative Scotland with functions in relation to the arts and culture and industries and other activity the focus of which is the application of creative skills; to establish Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland with scrutiny functions in relation to care services and social work services; to establish Healthcare Improvement Scotland with scrutiny and other functions in relation to services provided under the National Health Service and independent health care services; to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] to make provision in relation to the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; to make provision about the exercise of scrutiny functions by certain bodies, including provision in respect of the involvement of users of scrutinised services, co-operation and joint inspections; to amend Part 2 of the [[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]] in relation to audit authorities and audit reports and examinations under that Part; to amend the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] to make provision in relation to complaints handling procedures of listed authorities; to amend the [[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]] in relation to the regulation of charities and charity trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 8||
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|[[Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the control of dogs; to amend the [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 9||
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|[[Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the publication, interpretation and operation of Acts of the Scottish Parliament and instruments made under them; to make provision about the scrutiny of subordinate legislation by the Scottish Parliament; to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 94(2)(b) of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about orders subject to special parliamentary procedure; to make provision about the laying of certain documents before the Scottish Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 10||
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010 (ASP 2010-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Commission for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland; to transfer to its members the functions of the Chief Investigating Officer, the Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner and the Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make amendments of the [[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]], the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]], the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]], the [[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]], the [[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] and the [[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]], including amendments standardising certain provisions of those Acts and extending and qualifying the functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 11||
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|[[William Simpson’s Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=William Simpson's Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests, employees and liabilities of the Trustees of William Simpson's Asylum to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve the Trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 12||
|-
|[[Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about sentencing, offenders and defaulters; to make provision about criminal law, procedure and evidence; to make provision about criminal justice and the investigation of crime (including police functions); to amend the law relating to the licensing of certain activities by local authorities; to amend the law relating to the sale of alcohol; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 13||
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|[[Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and rename the Crofters Commission; to provide for the establishment of a new register of crofts and for registration of crofts, common grazings and land held runrig in it; to make provision about the duties of crofters and certain owner-occupiers of crofts and for the enforcement of those duties; to make further amendments to the law on crofting; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 14||
|-
|[[Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for persons being questioned by the police on suspicion of having committed an offence to have a right of access to legal assistance; to enable provision to be made for criminal advice and assistance under the [[Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986]] to be available for such persons in certain circumstances without reference to financial limits; to extend the period during which a person may be detained under section 14 of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]], and to enable that period to be further extended in certain circumstances; to provide for a right to make representations in relation to applications for extension of time limits for bringing appeals; to provide a time limit for lodging bills of suspension or advocation; to make provision about the grounds for references made to the High Court by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and to confer power on the High Court to reject such references in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 15||
|-
|[[Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow and to make provision for regulating the supply of certain legal services by licensed entities; to extend rights to obtain confirmation to the estates of deceased persons; to regulate will and other testamentary writing by non-lawyers; to make provision concerning the Law Society of Scotland and the Faculty of Advocates and for the professional arrangements to which solicitors and advocates are subject; to allow court rules to permit the making of oral submissions by lay representatives in civil cases; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 16||
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Housing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Housing Regulator and to make provision about housing, including provision about the performance and regulation of social landlords and reforms of the right to buy social housing; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 17||
|-
|[[Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision regulating the sale of alcohol and licensing of premises on which alcohol is sold and to make provision for the imposition of charges on holders of licences granted under the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]] and the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]].||2010 asp 18||
|}

===2011===
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|[[Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to children’s hearings; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 1||
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|[[Forth Crossing Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forth Crossing Act 2011 (ASP 2011-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give the Scottish Ministers power to construct a new bridge over the Firth of Forth and to construct and improve associated roads and structures; to authorise the acquisition, or temporary possession and use, of land for construction and improvement works; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 2||
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|[[Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision amending certain aspects of the law relating to ancient monuments and listed buildings, including provision in relation to unauthorised works, powers of enforcement in connection with such works, offences and fines, powers of entry to ancient monuments, the control and management of certain ancient monuments, and liability for the expenses of urgent works on listed buildings; to make provision for the creation of inventories of gardens and designed landscapes and of battlefields; to provide for grants and loans in respect of the development and understanding of matters of historic and other interest; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 4||
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|[[Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act to make provision about the rights of patients when receiving health care; to make further provision about eligibility under the scheme made under section 28 of the [[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 5||
|-
|[[Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with wildlife and the natural environment; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 6||
|-
|[[Damages (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Damages (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards rights to damages in respect of personal injuries and death; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 7||
|-
|[[Property Factors (Scotland) Act 2011]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of property factors and require property factors to be registered; to make provision in relation to the resolution of disputes between homeowners and property factors; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 8||
|-
|[[Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the regulation of the construction, alteration and management of certain reservoirs, in particular in relation to the risk of flooding from such reservoirs, for the repeal and replacement of the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]], about offences to facilitate the achievement of the environmental objectives set out in river basin management plans; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 9||
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|[[Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish an Electoral Management Board for Scotland; to confer functions on the Electoral Commission in relation to local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 10||
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|[[Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the certification of death and still-birth certificates; to make provision for medical reviewers, the senior medical reviewer and their functions; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 11||
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|[[Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management of records by certain authorities; to amend the [[Public Records (Scotland) Act 1937]] (c.43) in relation to the transmission of court records to the Keeper of the Records of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 12||
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|[[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Protection from Harassment Act 1997]] by making provision in relation to harassment amounting to domestic abuse; to make breach of an interdict relating to domestic abuse with a power of arrest attached an offence; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 13||
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|[[Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing.||2011 asp 14||
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|[[Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protecting persons from being forced into marriage without their free and full consent and for protecting persons who have been forced into marriage without such consent; for amending the jurisdiction of the sheriff court in relation to actions for declarator of nullity of marriage; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 15||
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|[[Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the circumstances in which a person convicted or acquitted of an offence may be prosecuted anew; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 16||
|}

===2012===
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|[[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 (repealed) (ASP 2012-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create offences concerning offensive behaviour in relation to certain football matches, and concerning the communication of certain threatening material.||2012 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 2
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|[[National Library of Scotland Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=National Library of Scotland Act 2012 (ASP 2012-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the name, functions and governance of the National Library of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 3||
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|[[Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the price at which alcohol may be sold from licensed premises; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 4||
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|[[Land Registration etc. (Scotland) Act 2012]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and restate the law on the registration of rights to land in the land register; to enable electronic conveyancing and registration of electronic documents in the land register; to provide for the closure of the Register of Sasines in due course; to make provision about the functions of the Keeper of the Registers of Scotland; to allow electronic documents to be used for certain contracts, unilateral obligations and trusts that must be constituted by writing; to provide about the formal validity of electronic documents and for their registration; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 5||
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|[[Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law governing succession to agricultural tenancies and the review or variation of rent under such tenancies.||2012 asp 6||
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|[[Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules about the punishment part of non-mandatory life sentences imposed in criminal cases and to amend the rules about the disclosure of information obtained by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission.||2012 asp 7||
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|[[Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about policing; to make provision about fire and rescue services; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 8||
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|[[Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to convert certain long leases into ownership; to provide for the conversion into real burdens of certain rights and obligations under such leases; to provide for payment to former owners of land of compensation for loss of it on conversion; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 9||
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|[[Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision by regulations in consequence of the [[Welfare Reform Act 2012]] (in respect of matters other than reserved matters).||2012 asp 10||
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|[[Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding non-domestic rates and council tax in respect of unoccupied properties; and to repeal certain provisions that allow grants to be made to local authorities to meet housing needs in their areas.||2012 asp 11||
|}

===2013===
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|[[Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable local authorities to provide support to certain carers; to make provision about the way in which certain social care services are provided by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 1||
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|[[Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend provisions of the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] relating to the designation of authorities, the effect of various exemptions and the time limit for certain proceedings.||2013 asp 2||
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|[[Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Act 2013 (ASP 2013-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Civil Justice Council; to make provision about contributions in respect of criminal legal assistance; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 4||
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|[[Water Resources (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Water Resources (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the development of Scotland's water resources; to bring large-scale water abstraction under Ministerial control; to extend Scottish Water's functions and to authorise grants and loans in favour of related bodies; to permit the taking of steps for the sake of water quality; to create contracts for certain non-domestic water and sewerage services; to protect the public sewerage network from harm and to allow for maintenance of private sewage works; to enable the making of water shortage orders; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 5||
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|[[High Hedges (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=High Hedges (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about hedges which interfere with the reasonable enjoyment of residential properties.||2013 asp 6||
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|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fish farming and shellfish farming; about salmon fisheries and freshwater fisheries; about sea fisheries; about shellfish waters and fisheries for shellfish; about charging in connection with functions relating to fish farming, shellfish farming, salmon fisheries, freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; about fixed penalty notices for offences under certain aquaculture, fisheries and other marine legislation; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 7||
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|[[Forth Road Bridge Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Forth Road Bridge Act 2013 (ASP 2013-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management and maintenance of the Forth Road Bridge.||2013 asp 8||
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|[[National Trust for Scotland (Governance etc.) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=National Trust for Scotland (Governance etc.) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to alter the status of the National Trust for Scotland's president and vice-presidents; to increase the maximum term of co-option for members of its council; to abolish representative membership of its council; and to validate use of the customary abbreviation of its name.||2013 asp 9||
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|[[Crofting (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Crofting (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow decrofting by owner-occupier crofters; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 10||
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|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of land transactions.||2013 asp 11||
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|[[Post-16 Education (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Post-16 Education (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the support for, and the governance of, further and higher education institutions, including provision for the regionalisation of colleges; to make provision for reviews of how further and higher education is provided; to make provision for sharing information about young people's involvement in education and training; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 12||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum (Franchise) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Independence Referendum (Franchise) Act 2013 (repealed) (ASP 2013-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about those who are entitled to vote in a referendum on the independence of Scotland, including provision for the establishment of a register of young voters for the purposes of such a referendum.||2013 asp 13||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 (ASP 2013-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in accordance with paragraph 5A of Part 1 of Schedule 5 to the [[Scotland Act 1998]], for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on a question about the independence of Scotland.||2013 asp 14||
|}

===2014===
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|[[Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for certain rights and support for victims and witnesses, including provision for implementing [[Directive 2012/29/EU]] of the European Parliament and the Council; and to make provision for the establishment of a committee of the Mental Welfare Commission with functions relating to persons who were placed in institutional care as children.||2014 asp 1||
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|[[Landfill Tax (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of disposals to landfill.||2014 asp 2||
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|[[Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable provision to be made for the purpose of promoting regulatory consistency; to make provision in relation to primary authorities; to enable provision to be made, and to make provision, as respects regulatory activities, and offences, relating to the environment; to make provision about regulatory functions relating to marine licensing, planning and street traders’ licences; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 3||
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|[[Burrell Collection (Lending and Borrowing) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide Glasgow City Council with additional powers to lend, including lending overseas, any items forming part of the Burrell Collection and to receive items on loan from others in both cases with agreement of the charity trustees of the Sir William Burrell Trust in accordance with a published code.||2014 asp 4||
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|[[Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the marriage of persons of the same sex; to make further provision as to the persons who may solemnise marriage and as to marriage procedure and the places at which civil marriages may be solemnised; to make provision for the registration of civil partnerships by celebrants of religious or belief bodies; to make provision about gender change by married persons and civil partners; to make a minor correction in relation to registration information; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 5||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 6||
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|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Leith Links and Surplus Fire Fund) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to create an exception to the prohibition on the construction of monuments on Leith Links; to amend the purposes for which the Surplus Fire Fund may be used; to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Surplus Fire Fund to a successor charitable trust and then dissolve the Surplus Fire Fund; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 7||
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|[[Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the rights of children and young people; to make provision about investigations by the Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; to make provision for and about the provision of services and support for or in relation to children and young people; to make provision for an adoption register; to make provision about children's hearings, detention in secure accommodation and consultation on certain proposals in relation to schools; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 8||
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|[[Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the carrying out of functions of local authorities and Health Boards; to make further provision about certain functions of public bodies; to make further provision in relation to certain functions under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 9||
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|[[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland and the Upper Tribunal for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 10||
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|[[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 11||
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|[[Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the procedures relating to the award of certain public contracts; to require certain authorities to produce procurement strategies and annual reports; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 12||
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|[[Buildings (Recovery of Expenses) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] to provide for expenses incurred by local authorities in connection with notices served or work carried out under that Act to be recovered by way of charging order.||2014 asp 13||
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about the abolition of the right to buy, social housing, the law affecting private housing, the regulation of letting agents and the licensing of sites for mobile homes.||2014 asp 14||
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|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of Portobello Park so as to permit the City of Edinburgh Council to appropriate it for the purposes of the Council's functions as an education authority; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 15||
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|[[Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Revenue Scotland; to establish Scottish tax tribunals; to put in place a general anti-avoidance rule; to make provision about the collection and management of devolved taxes; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 16||
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|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Badges (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about badges for display on motor vehicles used by disabled persons.||2014 asp 17||
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|[[Courts Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the sheriff courts; to establish a Sheriff Appeal Court; to make provision about civil court procedure; to make provision about appeals in civil proceedings; to make provision about appeals in criminal proceedings; to make provision about judges of the Court of Session; to make provision about the Scottish Land Court; to make provision about justice of the peace courts; to rename the Scottish Court Service and give it functions in relation to tribunals; to provide for assistants to the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 18||
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|[[Historic Environment Scotland Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Historic Environment Scotland; to make minor amendments to the law relating to the historic environment; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 19||
|}

===2015===
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|[[Food (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Food Standards Scotland and make provision as to its functions; to amend the law in relation to food; to enable provision to be made in relation to animal feeding stuffs; to make provision for administrative sanctions in relation to offences under the law in relation to food; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 2||
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|[[Community Charge Debt (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extinguish various liabilities arising by virtue of the Abolition of Domestic Rates Etc. (Scotland) Act 1987.||2015 asp 3||
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|[[Legal Writings (Counterparts and Delivery) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about execution of documents in counterpart and the delivery by electronic means of traditional documents; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 4||
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|[[Welfare Funds (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the maintenance of welfare funds and to provide for them to be used to help certain individuals; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 5||
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|[[Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about national outcomes; to confer functions on certain persons in relation to services provided by, and assets of, certain public bodies; to amend Parts 2 and 3 of the [[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]]; to enable certain bodies to buy abandoned, neglected or detrimental land; to amend section 7C of the [[Forestry Act 1967]]; to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision about supporters' involvement in and ownership of football clubs; to make provision for registers of common good property and about disposal and use of such property; to restate and amend the law on allotments; to enable participation in decision-making by specified persons having public functions; to enable local authorities to reduce or remit non-domestic rates; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 6||
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|[[Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reduce the voting age to 16 at elections for membership of the Scottish Parliament and local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 7||
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|[[Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to automatic early release of long-term prisoners from prison on licence and to allow prisoners serving all but very short sentences to be released from prison on a particular day suitable for their re-integration into the community.||2015 asp 8||
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|[[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] in various respects; to make provision about mental health disposals in criminal cases; to make provision as to the rights of victims of crime committed by mentally-disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 9||
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|[[Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the licensing and regulation of air weapons; to amend the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]; to amend and extend the licensing provisions of the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]]; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 10||
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|[[British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to promote the use of British Sign Language including by making provision for the preparation and publication of national plans in relation to British Sign Language and by requiring certain authorities to prepare and publish their own British Sign Language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions; and to provide for the manner in which such plans are to be prepared and for their review and updating.||2015 asp 11||
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|[[Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about human trafficking and slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour, including provision about offences and sentencing, provision for victim support and provision to reduce activity related to offences.||2015 asp 12||
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|[[Harbours (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal sections 10 to 12 of the [[Ports Act 1991]] and amend Schedules 3 and 4 to the [[Harbours Act 1964]].||2015 asp 13||
|}

===2016===
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|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about criminal justice including as to police powers and rights of suspects and as to criminal evidence, procedure and sentencing; to establish the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 1||
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|[[Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc. (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the holding of public inquiries in respect of certain deaths.||2016 asp 2||
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|[[Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in private motor vehicles in the presence of children, subject to limited exceptions; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 3||
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|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament (Amendment) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]] and the [[Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000]].||2016 asp 4||
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|[[Apologies (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the effect of an apology in certain legal proceedings.||2016 asp 5||
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|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of a piece of land currently within Princes Street Gardens so as to enable the City of Edinburgh Council to dispose of it to the National Galleries of Scotland and to provide for that same piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens, thus disapplying section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2016 asp 6||
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|[[Succession (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about succession; to make provision about liferents; to amend the [[Trusts (Scotland) Act 1921]]; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 7||
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|[[Education (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to school education about priorities, objectives and reducing pupils' inequalities of outcome; to modify the [[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]] and section 70 of the [[Education (Scotland) Act 1980]]; to make provision in relation to Gaelic medium education, the provision of school meals, the appointment of Chief Education Officers, the registration of independent schools and teachers in grant-aided schools and the standards of education and training of persons to be appointed as head teachers; to enable provision to be made requiring a minimum number of hours of school education to be provided; to enable provision to be made about school clothing grants; to extend the duty to provide early learning and childcare to certain children; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 8||
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|[[Carers (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about carers, including the identification of carers' needs for support through adult carer support plans and young carer statements; the provision of support to carers; the enabling of carer involvement in certain services; the preparation of local carer strategies; the establishment of information and advice services for carers; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 9||
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|[[Community Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about community justice, including establishing a new national body to oversee community justice and introducing requirements in relation to the achievement of particular nationally and locally determined outcomes; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 10||
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|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]] to make provision about an additional amount of tax to be chargeable in respect of certain transactions relating to dwellings.||2016 asp 11||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 12||
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|[[Scottish Elections (Dates) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of the day of the poll at the first ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament after 2016 and about the year in which local government elections fall to be held.||2016 asp 13||
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|[[Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc. and Care) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about tobacco, nicotine and related products, in particular to make provision about retailing, to amend the prohibition on smoking in certain areas and to control advertising and promotion; to make provision about a duty of candour following serious incidents in the course of providing care; to make provision about offences applying to ill-treatment or neglect where care is provided; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 14||
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|[[Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the composition of and appointment to the governing bodies and academic boards of higher education institutions; and to revise provision about the academic freedom of various persons carrying out activities at higher education and certain other institutions.||2016 asp 15||
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|[[Lobbying (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about lobbying, including provision for establishing and maintaining a lobbying register and the publication of a code of conduct.||2016 asp 16||
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|[[Scottish Fiscal Commission Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Fiscal Commission and to provide for its functions.||2016 asp 17||
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|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a land rights and responsibilities statement; to establish the Scottish Land Commission, provide for its functions and the functions of the Land Commissioners and the Tenant Farming Commissioner; to make provision about access to, and provision of, information about owners and controllers of land; to make provision about engaging communities in decisions relating to land; to enable certain persons to buy land to further sustainable development; to make provision for non-domestic rates to be levied on shootings and deer forests; to make provision about the change of use of common good land; to make provision about the management of deer on land; to make provision about access rights to land; to amend the law on agricultural holdings to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancy, to remove the requirement to register before tenants of certain holdings can exercise a right to buy, to provide a new power of sale where a landlord is in breach of certain obligations, to provide about rent reviews, to expand the list of the persons to whom holdings can be assigned or bequeathed and to whom holdings can be transferred on intestacy and to make provision about landlords' objections to such successor tenants, to provide for certain holdings to be relinquished where landlords agree or assigned to persons new to or progressing in farming, to provide for a 3 year amnesty period in relation to certain improvements carried out by tenants, and to provide for notice of certain improvements proposed by landlords; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 18||
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|[[Private Housing (Tenancies) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing; in particular to establish a new type of tenancy to be known as a private residential tenancy.||2016 asp 19||
|-
|[[Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to burial and cremation; to make provision about exhumation of human remains; to make provision in relation to the inspection and regulation of burial authorities, cremation authorities and funeral directors; to enable provision to be made for the licensing of funeral directors; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 20||
|-
|[[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]], the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1993]], Part 1 of the [[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]], Part 2 of the [[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]], the [[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]], the [[Protected Trust Deeds (Scotland) Regulations 2013]] and related enactments.||2016 asp 21||
|-
|[[Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about abusive behaviour; and to make provision about sexual harm including provision about directions to be given to juries in sexual offence cases and provision about orders to prevent future sexual harm.||2016 asp 22||
|}

===2017===
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the carriage of passengers by air from airports in Scotland. || 2017 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Limitation (Childhood Abuse) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the limitation period for actions of damages in respect of personal injuries resulting from childhood abuse. || 2017 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Railway Policing (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the arrangements for the Police Service of Scotland to police railways and railway property; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Contract (Third Party Rights) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the enforcement of contractual terms by third parties. || 2017 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of child poverty; to make provision about plans and reports relating to the targets; and to establish the Poverty and Inequality Commission and provide for its functions. || 2017 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Seat Belts on School Transport (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require that motor vehicles provided for the dedicated transport of pupils are fitted with seat belts. || 2017 asp 7 || 
|}

===2018===
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| [[Edinburgh Bakers' Widows' Fund Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Trustees of the Widows' Scheme of the Incorporation of Bakers of the City of Edinburgh to make capital payments to certain persons who might otherwise have been entitled to annuity payments from the Widows' Fund for the Incorporation of Bakers within the City of Edinburgh; to transfer the remaining property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Widows' Fund to a successor charitable trust; to dissolve the Widows' Fund; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Amendment (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Order Confirmation Act 1982 to amend the definition of  &quot;actuary&quot; and to amend the description of persons who may be elected collector of the Fund. || 2018 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to use wild animals in travelling circuses. || 2018 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about gender representation on boards of Scottish public authorities. || 2018 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence with respect to the engaging by a person in a course of behaviour which is abusive of the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make rules of criminal procedure for that offence and also for offences subject to the statutory aggravation involving abuse of partners or ex-partners. || 2018 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Repeal) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal the [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]]; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to forestry; to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to the management of forested land and other land; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament making provision about social security. || 2018 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about success fee agreements; to make provision about expenses in civil litigation; to make provision about the offices of the Auditor of the Court of Session, the auditor of the Sheriff Appeal Court and the auditor of the sheriff court; and to make provision about the bringing of civil proceedings on behalf of a group of persons. || 2018 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give retrospective effect to the amendments made by the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Additional Amount-Second Homes Main Residence Relief) (Scotland) Order 2017]]. || 2018 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Islands (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a national islands plan; to impose duties in relation to island communities on certain public authorities; to make provision about the electoral representation of island communities; and to establish a licensing scheme in respect of marine development adjacent to islands. || 2018 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law on the regulation of social landlords and to reduce the influence of local authorities over registered social landlords. || 2018 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Historical Sexual Offences (Pardons and Disregards) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon persons convicted of certain historical sexual offences and to provide a process for convictions for those offences to be disregarded. || 2018 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Prescription (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to the extinction of rights and obligations by the passage of time. || 2018 asp 15 || 
|}

===2019===
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| [[Scottish Crown Estate Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Crown Estate Act 2019 (ASP 2019-1 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename Crown Estate Scotland (Interim Management); to make provision about the management of the Scottish Crown Estate; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-2 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate and reconstitute the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission; to make provision for its functions and for the appointment of Commissioners; to make provision for the calculation of the annual assessments payable by the owners of land benefited by the Pow; to make provision for meetings of the Commissioners and heritors; to make provision for the Commissioners to have access to the Pow over neighbouring land for necessary purposes and for the Commissioners' consent to be required for activities affecting the Pow and adjacent land etc.; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 2 || 
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-3 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-4 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assumed rate of return on investment of particular damages awarded in personal injury cases; and to make provision in relation to periodical payments of various damages awarded in personal injury cases. || 2019 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Hutchesons' Hospital Transfer and Dissolution (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Hutchesons' Hospital Transfer and Dissolution (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-5 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Royal Incorporation of Hutchesons' Hospital in the City of Glasgow to a successor Scottish Charitable Incorporated Organisation; to dissolve the Incorporation; and to repeal the [[Hutchesons' Hospital Act 1872]]. || 2019 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-6 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about staffing by the National Health Service and by providers of care services. || 2019 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Age of Criminal Responsibility (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Age of Criminal Responsibility (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-7 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 12 years and to make consequential changes to the law on the disclosure of criminal records and of other information relating to individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults; on the provision of information by the Principal Reporter to persons adversely affected by the behaviour of children; on the taking of certain children to a place of safety by the police; on the search of certain children by the police; on police interviews with certain children; and on the taking of forensic samples from certain children by the police; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Vulnerable Witnesses (Criminal Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Vulnerable Witnesses (Criminal Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-8 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of child witnesses and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal proceedings; to make provision about the procedure relating to taking evidence by commissioner; to make provision about the procedure for authorisation of standard special measures; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[South of Scotland Enterprise Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=South of Scotland Enterprise Act 2019 (ASP 2019-9 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish South of Scotland Enterprise and to provide for its functions. || 2019 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Fuel Poverty (Targets, Definition and Strategy) (Scotland) Act 2019]] {{ssl|1=Fuel Poverty (Targets, Definition and Strategy) (Scotland) Act 2019 (ASP 2019-10 qp).pdf}} || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of fuel poverty; to define fuel poverty; to require the production of a fuel poverty strategy; and to make provision about reporting on fuel poverty. || 2019 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Human Tissue (Authorisation) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about authorisation of the removal and use of part of the body of a deceased person for transplantation and other purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about transgender status and history and sexual orientation to be gathered voluntarily. || 2019 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about how land is developed and used. || 2019 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Management of Offenders (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for electronic monitoring of offenders and as to certain other restrictive measures imposable on offenders; to make provision about periods and processes as regards disclosure of convictions by offenders; and to make provision concerning particular aspects of the system governing parole of offenders. || 2019 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] to make provision setting targets for the reduction of greenhouse gases emissions and to make provision about advice, plans and reports in relation to those targets, with the objective of Scotland contributing appropriately to the world's efforts to deliver on the [[Paris Agreement]] reached at the 21st Conference of the Parties of the [[United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change]]. || 2019 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the defence of reasonable chastisement; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Transport (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the production of a national strategy in relation to transport; to make provision for low emission zones; to make provision for and in connection with the powers of local transport authorities in connection with the operation of local bus services in their areas; to make provision about arrangements under which persons may be entitled to travel on local bus and other transport services; to prohibit the parking of vehicles on pavements, prohibit double parking and prohibit parking adjacent to dropped footways; to make provision enabling local authorities to make schemes under which a charge may be levied for providing workplace parking places; to make provision in connection with charges arising from parking on private land; to make provision in connection with the status of the office of the Scottish Road Works Commissioner, the Commissioner's functions and the regulation of road works; to make provision in connection with regional Transport Partnerships and to adjust the number of members on the British Waterways Board; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 17 || 
|}

==2020-2025==
===2020===
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| [[UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Union of European Football Associations European Championship that is to be held, in part, in Glasgow in 2020. || 2020 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Referendums (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the holding of referendums throughout Scotland. || 2020 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Scottish National Investment Bank Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the establishment of the Scottish National Investment Bank and to make further provision in connection with that body. || 2020 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about non-domestic rates. || 2020 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enfranchise certain persons in respect of Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; to extend to certain persons the right to vote at, stand for election at, and hold office as elected members following, Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Scottish Biometrics Commissioner and to provide for its functions in relation to the acquisition, retention, use and destruction of biometric data for criminal justice and police purposes. || 2020 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Female Genital Mutilation (Protection and Guidance) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for female genital mutilation protection orders and for guidance in relation to such orders and in relation to the prevention of female genital mutilation generally; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Scotland Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Consumer Scotland and provide for its functions as a consumer advocacy and advice body; and to require regard to be had to consumer interests. || 2020 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Reform) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections, including length of terms; to make provision about the role of the Electoral Commission in relation to those elections; to confer functions on the Electoral Management Board for Scotland in relation to Scottish parliamentary elections; to rename and make provision about the Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Disclosure (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the disclosure of criminal history and other information by the Scottish Ministers; to make amendments to the [[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties for the most serious animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal welfare offences generally, to increase the protection for service animals from being caused unnecessary suffering, to require courts to consider making disqualification orders following convictions for animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal health offences, to increase penalties in relation to certain wildlife offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to wildlife offences, to increase the protection for seals from being killed, injured or taken; to confer power on inspectors and constables, where animals have been taken into possession to alleviate their suffering, to make arrangements for the treatment, transfer or destruction of those animals; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable persons of different sexes to be in a civil partnership; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Children (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to children; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture (Retained EU Law and Data) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers to modify certain retained EU law relating to agriculture, including power to make new provision about marketing standards in relation to agricultural products and the classification of carcasses; to make provision about the collection and processing of information connected with food supply chains and agricultural activities; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 17 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Administration and Tribunal Membership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 in relation to the appointment of persons to act on behalf of applicants; the provision of information in connection with the determination of eligibility for assistance; the duty to inform about possible eligibility for assistance; the operation of top-up assistance; the diagnosis of terminal illness for disability assistance purposes; and the recovery of assistance given in error; and to modify the [[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]] in relation to the eligibility of judicial office-holders to sit in the First-tier Tribunal and the Upper Tribunal. || 2020 asp 18 || 
|}

===2021===
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| [[Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to secure the provision throughout Scotland of free period products. || 2021 asp 1 || 
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| [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland (Amendment) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland Act 1871]] in order to abolish the offices of librarian and fiscal; to rename the Widows' Fund as the Dependents' Fund and to make further provision as regards persons entitled to the benefit of that fund; to make new provision for members of the Society to resign; and to give the Society new powers including to close the Dependents' Fund completely or close it to new members, to create new categories of membership, or to wind up the Society; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on health boards functions relating to the provision of forensic medical services to victims of sexual offences; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for Scotland in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, in particular to enable provision to be made that corresponds to provision in EU law after the United Kingdom's withdrawal; to  establish guiding principles on the environment and to require public authorities to have due regard to those principles in making policies; to establish a body with the functions of ensuring compliance by public authorities with environmental law and monitoring the effectiveness of environmental law in protecting and improving the environment; to require the preparation and publication of an environmental policy strategy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Scottish General Election (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for measures relating to protection against coronavirus to apply to the ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament due to be held on 6 May 2021. || 2021 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Workers (Retail and Age-restricted Goods and Services) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence of assaulting, threatening or abusing retail workers; and to provide for a statutory aggravation of that offence where the retail worker is enforcing a statutory age restriction. || 2021 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliament (Assistance for Political Parties) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Parliament to make provision by resolution for payments to registered political parties for the purpose of assisting members of the Parliament who are connected with the parties to perform their Parliamentary duties. || 2021 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Heat Networks (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the supply of thermal energy by a heat network, and for regulating the construction and operation of a heat network; to make provision about the powers of persons holding a heat networks licence; to make provision about conferring rights in heat network assets where a person ceases operating a heat network; to set targets relating to the supply of thermal energy by heat networks; to make provision about plans relating to increased use of heat networks; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Defamation and Malicious Publication (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of defamation; replace the common law delicts of verbal injury with delicts of malicious publication; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about restricting pre-release access to certain official statistics; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliamentary Standards (Sexual Harassment and Complaints Process) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland to investigate complaints of past sexual harassment made about members of the Parliament in respect of behaviour towards members of their own staff; to remove the default time limit for making complaints to the Commissioner; and to remove any requirement for the complainer's signature. || 2021 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[University of St. Andrews (Degrees in Medicine and Dentistry) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal paragraph 17 of schedule 6 of the [[Universities (Scotland) Act 1966]]. || 2021 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice; to make provision about an offence of racially aggravated harassment; to make provision about offences relating to stirring up hatred against a group of persons; to abolish the common law offence of blasphemy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a scheme of financial redress and related support for and in respect of survivors of historical child abuse in certain residential care settings in Scotland; to establish Redress Scotland and provide for its functions; to make provision for reporting by certain persons in relation to their redress activity; to make provision for the establishment of the Survivor Forum and the dissolution of the National Confidential Forum; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for domestic abuse protection notices and orders for the purpose of protecting a person from abusive behaviour by the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make provision for the termination of Scottish secure tenancies in cases involving behaviour by a tenant which is abusive of the tenant's partner or ex-partner. || 2021 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Tied Pubs (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Pubs Code to govern the relationship between tenants and owners of tied pubs; to establish the office of Scottish Pubs Code Adjudicator; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 17 || 
|-
| [[Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties and provide additional powers to investigate and enforce the offence of livestock worrying, and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 18 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extend the period for which Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] and Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] are in force; to provide for the expiry of certain provisions of those Parts; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 19 || 
|-
| [[Carer's Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about increasing the amount of the carer's allowance supplement. || 2021 asp 20 || 
|}

===2022===
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| [[Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to reimburse costs relating to the removal of transvaginal mesh. || 2022 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to temporarily modify sections of the [[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]] which require health boards to pay compensation for self-isolation so that, where self-isolation is for a reason relating to coronavirus, health boards have discretion as to whether to pay compensation; and to provide for the expiry of a provision of the [[Coronavirus Act 2020]] which temporarily modified the same sections of the Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008. || 2022 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Local Government Elections (Candidacy Rights of Foreign Nationals) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give to certain foreign nationals the right to stand as candidates at local government elections in Scotland in accordance with international treaty agreements entered into by the United Kingdom. || 2022 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a national good food nation plan; to require certain authorities to prepare and publish their own good food nation plans; and to provide as to the effect of all of those plans. || 2022 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Miners' Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon certain individuals convicted of certain offences committed during the 1984-85 miners' strike. || 2022 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Coronavirus) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the effect of coronavirus on the calculation of the net annual value and rateable value of lands and heritages for the purpose of non-domestic rates. || 2022 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public health protection powers; to make provision about educational establishments and school consultations; to make miscellaneous public service reforms; to modify the law on tenancies; to make temporary modifications to the law in relation to the justice system; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for licensing the purchase, acquisition, possession and use of certain fireworks; to prevent the supply of certain fireworks and pyrotechnic articles to persons under the age of 18; to limit the supply and use of certain fireworks to particular periods; to provide for the creation of firework control zones; to make provision prohibiting possession of fireworks and pyrotechnic articles in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with protecting residential tenants from increases in rent; protecting residential tenants from eviction; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 10 || 
|}

The [[Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill]] was passed by the Scottish Parliament, but denied royal assent under a [[The Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill (Prohibition on Submission for Royal Assent) Order 2023|Section 35 Order]] by the UK Government.

===2023===
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| [[Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the prohibition of hunting wild mammals using dogs; to make provision about the prohibition of trail hunting; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 1 || 
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 2 || 
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| [[Moveable Transactions (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assignation of claims; to establish a register for assignation documents in respect of such claims; to make provision in relation to the granting of security in the form of a pledge over corporeal and incorporeal moveable property; to establish a register of statutory pledges; and to end the creation of agricultural charges. || 2023 asp 3 || 
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| [[Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of questions of bail; to provide for the court, when sentencing, to have regard to time spent on certain bail conditions; to ensure prisoners are not released on Fridays and certain other days; to provide for the temporary release of long-term prisoners; to enable certain prisoners to be released early in emergency situations; to require certain public bodies to engage in planning for the release of prisoners; to provide support for released prisoners; to provide for information about prisoners to be given to persons or bodies supporting victims; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 4 || 
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| [[Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify certain aspects of the law relating to the regulation and administration of charities and their assets. || 2023 asp 5 || 
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| [[Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland. || 2023 asp 6 || 
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===2024===
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| [[United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate in Scots law rights and obligations set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child; to make related provision to ensure compliance with duties relating to the Convention; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 1 || 
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| [[Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards trusts; to make provision about the effect of divorce, dissolution or annulment on a special destination and about the rights of succession to an intestate estate; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 2 || 
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 3 || 
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| [[Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the management of wildlife through the prohibition of glue traps and snares and regulation of other wildlife traps and the licensing of land on which certain birds are to be killed or taken; and for the licensing of the making of muirburn; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 4 || 
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| [[Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to bring all under 18s within the scope of the children's hearings system and about the measures that may be included in compulsory supervision orders, the provision of information to certain persons as to disposals made by the hearings system, and about supervision and guidance for children after age 18; to make provision treating under 18s as children for the purposes of the criminal justice system and about how children are treated in that system, including providing for new safeguards for children in court, the circumstances in which courts must seek advice from a children's hearing or remit the case to a hearing for disposal, the court's power to impose driving disqualifications and penalty points despite so remitting, the operation of sexual offences notification requirements on such remittal, and the use of secure accommodation, and removing the option of young offenders institutions and remand centres, when detaining children; to make changes to provision on secure accommodation and the regulation of secure accommodation services, including those services which take children from other parts of the United Kingdom; to change the age at which a person is a child for the purposes of antisocial behaviour orders; to repeal provisions on the named person service and on child's plans; to make provision about UNCRC compatibility issues in relation to decisions to prosecute children; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the quashing of certain convictions for offences of dishonesty connected to the carrying on of a post office business at a time when the Horizon system was in use; to provide for the deletion of details of alternatives to prosecution in relation to such offences; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on the Scottish Ministers powers to identify external wall cladding systems on residential buildings that create or exacerbate risks to human life and to address those risks; to establish a register to record that a building's cladding has been assessed and that remediation works have been completed; to enable one or more schemes to be established to require persons in the building industry to contribute towards assessing and remediating dangerous cladding; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 7 || 
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| [[Visitor Levy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give local authorities the power to impose a levy in respect of persons staying in certain types of accommodation overnight. || 2024 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to establish a mental health moratorium; to modify the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]; and to modify the law of diligence. || 2024 asp 9 || 
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| [[Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create safe access zones around premises that provide treatment for the termination of pregnancy authorised under the [[Abortion Act 1967]]. || 2024 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision enabling the support of agriculture, rural communities and the rural economy through the creation of a framework for that support; to make provision for continuing professional development for those involved in agriculture and related industries, to make provision in relation to the welfare and identification of animals, to repeal spent and superseded agricultural enactments; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 2 of the [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] to repeal the definition of &quot;woman&quot;. || 2024 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Circular Economy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a circular economy strategy; to make provision about circular economy targets; to make provision about the reduction, recycling and management of waste; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the commercial exploitation of aggregate; and to make further provision about the administration of devolved taxes. || 2024 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] in relation to the targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 15 || 
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===2025===
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| [[Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to the automatic early release of prisoners from prison and of children from detention; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 1 || 
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| [[Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] to make further provision about social security; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 2 || 
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| [[Judicial Factors (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about judicial factors; the appointment and functions of the Accountant of Court; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 3 || 
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| [[Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about eligibility of elected representatives in the Scottish Parliament and in local government and to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections. || 2025 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about a code of ethics and a duty of candour for the police; to make provision about vetting of constables and police staff; to make provision about procedures for misconduct and the consequences of certain conduct by constables; to make provision about the functions of the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner; and to make provision for a board to advise the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner. || 2025 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to a code of practice in relation to the acquisition of dogs; and to ensure public awareness and understanding of the code of practice. || 2025 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2026/27, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 7 || 
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===[[Author:Robert Burns (1759-1796)|Robert Burns]]' Version===
* &quot;[[The Battle of Prestonpans (1824, Stirling)/Charlie he's my Darling|Charlie he's my Darling]]&quot;, in ''[[The Battle of Prestonpans (1824, Stirling)|The Battle of Prestonpans]]'' (1824), a chapbook printed in Stirling
* &quot;[[March to the Battle Field (n.d., Edinburgh)/Charlie He's My Darling|Charlie He's My Darling]]&quot;, in ''[[March to the Battle Field (n.d., Edinburgh)]]'' (n.d.), a chapbook printed in Edinburgh
* &quot;[[The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers (Airdrie, copy 1)/Charlie is my Darling|Charlie is my Darling]]&quot;, in ''[[The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers (Airdrie, copy 1)|The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers]]'' (n.d.), a chapbook printed in Airdrie
* &quot;[[The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers (Airdrie, copy 2)/Charlie is my Darling|Charlie is my Darling]]&quot;, in ''[[The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers (Airdrie, copy 2)|The Highland Piper's Advice to Drinkers]]'' (n.d.), a chapbook printed in Airdrie (a duplicate copy of the above)
* &quot;[[An Excellent Collection of Popular Songs (&quot;The Hawthorn&quot;)/Charlie he's my darling|Charlie he's my Darling]]&quot; in ''[[An Excellent Collection of Popular Songs (&quot;The Hawthorn&quot;)|An Excellent Collection of Popular Songs]]'' (n.d.), a chapbook printed in Edinburgh
* &quot;[[The Book of Scottish Song/Charlie he's my darling|Charlie he's my darling]]&quot; in ''[[The Book of Scottish Song]]'' (1843), edited by [[Author:Alexander Whitelaw|Alexander Whitelaw]]

===Other versions===
For differentiation purposes, the two next lines after ''&quot;As he came marching up the street&quot;'' are shown in parenthesis.
* &quot;[[Rigs o' barley (1820)/Charlie's my darling|Charlie's my Darling]]&quot; in ''[[Rigs o' barley (1820)|Rigs o' Barley, to which are added, etc.]]'' (1820) ''(The City for to view, / He spy'd a maiden young and sweet,)''
* &quot;[[Ten Favourite Songs/Charlie is my darling|Charlie is my darling]]&quot; in ''[[Ten Favourite Songs]]'' (1830-1837({{tooltip|?|Published during the reign of William IV.}})) ''(The pipes played low and clear; / And a' the folk came running out)''
* &quot;[[Musical garland/Charlie is my darling|Charlie is my Darling]]&quot; in ''[[Musical garland|Musical Garland]]''. ''(The pipes play'd loud and clear, / And a‘ the folk came running out,)''</text>
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The numbers after the titles of the measures are the measure numbers. Measures are referenced using 'Year', nawm, 'Measure Number'.

==2008==
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|[[NHS Redress (Wales) Measure 2008]] {{ssl|1=NH Redress (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-1 qp).pdf|name1=Act|2=Explanatory Notes - NH Redress (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-1 qp).pdf|name2=Explanatory Notes|3=Order in Council - NH Redress (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-1 qp).pdf|name3=Order in Council}}||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about arrangements for redress in relation to liability in tort in connection with services provided as part of the health service in Wales; and for connected purposes.||2008 nawm 1||
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|[[Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008]] {{ssl|1=Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-2 qp).pdf|name1=Act|2=Explanatory Notes - Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-2 qp).pdf|name2=Explanatory Notes|3=Order in Council - Learner Travel (Wales) Measure 2008 (NAWM 2008-2 qp).pdf|name3=Order in Council}}||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about the travel of persons receiving primary, secondary or further education or training to and from schools or other places where they receive it; and for connected purposes.||2008 nawm 2||
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==2009==
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|[[Learning and Skills (Wales) Measure 2009]] {{ssl|1=Learning and Skills (Wales) Measure 2009 (NAWM 2009-1 qp).pdf|name1=Act|2=Explanatory Notes - Learning and Skills (Wales) Measure 2009 (NAWM 2009-1 qp).pdf|name2=Explanatory Notes|3=Correction Slip - Learning and Skills (Wales) Measure 2009 (NAWM 2009-1 qp).pdf|name3=Correction Slip|4=Order in Council - Learning and Skills (Wales) Measure 2009 (NAWM 2009-1 qp).pdf|name4=Order in Council}}||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about the entitlement to education of children in the last two years of compulsory schooling and young persons who have not attained the age of nineteen; to make provision as regards the provision by maintained schools and institutions within the further education sector of services related to education; to make provision for the disclosure of curriculum information; and for connected purposes.||2009 nawm 1||
|-
|[[Local Government (Wales) Measure 2009]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about arrangements by local authorities and other authorities in Wales to secure continuous improvement in the exercise of their functions; to make provision for community strategies; and for connected purposes.||2009 nawm 2||
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|[[Healthy Eating in Schools (Wales) Measure 2009]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about the promotion of healthy eating and drinking by pupils in maintained schools in Wales; to provide for the regulation of food and drink provided to pupils in maintained schools by the governing bodies of those schools or local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2009 nawm 3||
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|[[National Assembly for Wales Commissioner for Standards Measure 2009]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to establish a Commissioner to investigate complaints about the conduct of Assembly Members and to report to the Assembly on the outcome of such investigation; and for connected purposes.||2009 nawm 4||
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|[[Education (Wales) Measure 2009]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for children to have a right of appeal in respect of special educational needs, and a right to make a claim in respect of disability discrimination in schools, to the Special Educational Needs Tribunal for Wales; to make provision for the following in relation to special educational needs and disability discrimination in schools: advice and information services, arrangements for dispute resolution other than by appeals and claims to the Special Educational Needs Tribunal for Wales, and independent advocacy services; to make provision for piloting of the provisions of Part 1 of this Measure; to make provision about the curriculum in schools in Wales; and for connected purposes.||2009 nawm 5||
|}

==2010==
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|[[Children and Families (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about contributing to the eradication of child poverty; to provide a duty for local authorities to secure sufficient play opportunities for children; to make provision about arrangements for participation of children in local authority decisions that might affect them; to make provision about child minding and day care for children; to make provision establishing integrated family support teams and boards; to make provision about improving standards in social work for children and persons who care for them; to make provision about assessing the needs of children where their parents need community care services or have health conditions that affect the needs of the children; and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 1||
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|[[Social Care Charges (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for and in connection with the imposition and recovery of charges for the provision of non-residential social care services.||2010 nawm 2||
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|[[Red Meat Industry (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about imposing a levy in relation to the red meat industry in Wales, and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 3||
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|[[National Assembly for Wales (Remuneration) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to establish a National Assembly for Wales Remuneration Board, to transfer to that Board the functions of making determinations in relation to the remuneration of Assembly members, the First Minister, Welsh Ministers, the Counsel General and Deputy Welsh Ministers, and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 4
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|[[Carers Strategies (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for and in connection with the publication and implementation of strategies for the provision of information to, and consultation of, carers.||2010 nawm 5||
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|[[Playing Fields (Community Involvement in Disposal Decisions) (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision in relation to community involvement in decisions by local authorities in Wales whether to dispose of playing fields; and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 6||
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|[[Mental Health (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about primary mental health support services; the coordination of and planning for secondary mental health services; assessments of the needs of former users of secondary mental health services; independent advocacy for persons detained under the [[Mental Health Act 1983]] and other persons who are receiving in-patient hospital treatment for mental health; and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 7||
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|[[Waste (Wales) Measure 2010]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about the destination of proceeds from charges for single use carrier bags; to make provision about targets to be met by local authorities in relation to waste; to make provision about prohibiting or otherwise regulating the deposit of waste in a landfill; to provide for site waste management plans for works involving construction or demolition; and for connected purposes.||2010 nawm 8||
|}

==2011==
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|[[Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about the official status of the Welsh language in Wales; to provide for a Welsh Language Partnership Council; to establish the Office of Welsh Language Commissioner; to provide for an Advisory Panel to the Welsh Language Commissioner; to make provision about promoting and facilitating the use of the Welsh language and treating the Welsh language no less favourably than the English language; to make provision about standards relating to the Welsh language (including duties to comply with those standards, and rights arising from the enforceability of those duties); to make provision about investigation of interference with the freedom to use the Welsh language; to establish a Welsh Language Tribunal; to abolish the Welsh Language Board and Welsh language schemes; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 1||
|-
|[[Rights of Children and Young Persons (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for and in connection with giving further effect in Wales to the rights and obligations set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 2||
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|[[Domestic Fire Safety (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to require the provision of automatic fire suppression systems in new residential premises in Wales.||2011 nawm 3||
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|[[Local Government (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for and in connection with the promotion of, and support for, membership of county and county borough councils; the provision of staff and other resources by county and county borough councils in connection with the councils' democratic services; family absence for members of county and county borough councils; governance arrangements of county and county borough councils; the discharge of functions of county and county borough councils by committees and members; overview and scrutiny committees of county and county borough councils; audit committees of county and county borough councils; communities and community councils; pensions and other payments for members of county and county borough councils, community councils, National Park authorities, and fire and rescue authorities; collaboration in local government; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 4||
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|[[Housing (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for the suspension of the right to buy under the [[Housing Act 1985]] and related rights; to make further provision about the regulation of registered social landlords and the enforcement action that may be taken against them; to make further provision as regards the insolvency of registered social landlords; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 5||
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|[[Saftey on Learner Transport (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision about safety on transport provided or otherwise secured by local authorities or governing bodies of maintained schools for the purpose of ensuring the attendance of children at places where they receive education or training; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 6||
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|[[Education (Wales) Measure 2011]]||A Measure of the National Assembly for Wales to make provision for collaboration between local authorities, governing bodies of maintained schools and further education institutions; to make provision for the federation of maintained schools, the training of governors and clerks to governing bodies of maintained schools and the provision of such clerks; to make provision prohibiting new foundation schools; and for connected purposes.||2011 nawm 7||
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{{TOC row 2dot-1|{{subpage|Poems (Chitwood)|On a Departed One}},|33}}
{{TOC row 2dot-1|{{subpage|Poems (Chitwood)|To a Favorite Stream}},|35}}
{{TOC row 2dot-1|{{subpage|Poems (Chitwood)|Observations at a Party}},|37}}
{{TOC row 2dot-1|{{subpage|Poems (Chitwood)|The Stream of Life}},|39}}
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{{TOC row 2dot-1|{{subpage|Poems (Chitwood)|Lillia and Mary}},|47}}
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{{sc|Love}}, though for this you riddle me with darts,
And drag me at your chariot till I die,—
Oh, heavy prince! Oh, panderer of hearts!—
Yet hear me tell how in their throats they lie
Who shout you mighty: thick about my hair,
Day in, day out, your ominous arrows purr,
Who still am free, unto no querulous care
A fool, and in no temple worshipper!
I, that have bared me to your quiver's fire,
Lifted my face into its puny rain,
Do wreathe you Impotent to Evoke Desire
As you are Powerless to Elicit Pain!
(Now will the god, for blasphemy so brave,
Punish me, surely, with the shaft I crave!)
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{{sc|I think}} I should have loved you presently,
And given in earnest words I flung in jest;
And lifted honest eyes for you to see,
And caught your hand against my cheek and breast;
And all my pretty follies flung aside
That won you to me, and beneath your gaze,
Naked of reticence and shorn of pride,
Spread like a chart my little wicked ways.
I, that had been to you, had you remained,
But one more waking from a recurrent dream,
Cherish no less the certain stakes I gained,
And walk your memory's halls, austere, supreme,
A ghost in marble of a girl you knew
Who would have loved you in a day or two.
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{{sc|Oh}}, think not I am faithful to a vow!
Faithless am I save to love's self alone.
Were you not lovely I would leave you now:
After the feet of beauty fly my own.
Were you not still my hunger's rarest food,
And water ever to my wildest thirst,
I would desert you—think not but I would!—
And seek another as I sought you first.
But you are mobile as the veering air,
And all your charms more changeful than the tide,
Wherefore to be inconstant is no care:
I have but to continue at your side.
So wanton, light and false, my love, are you,
I am most faithless when I most am true.
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{{sc|I shall}} forget you presently, my dear,
So make the most of this, your little day,
Your little month, your little half a year,
Ere I forget, or die, or move away,
And we are done forever; by and by
I shall forget you, as I said, but now,
If you entreat me with your loveliest lie
I will protest you with my favourite vow.
I would indeed that love were longer-lived,
And oaths were not so brittle as they are,
But so it is, and nature has contrived
To struggle on without a break thus far,—
Whether or not we find what we are seeking
Is idle, biologically speaking.
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== [[Index:ChatGPT is bullshit, s10676-024-09775-5.pdf]] ==

Hello. I see that you created [[Index:ChatGPT is bullshit.pdf]] and then [[Index:ChatGPT is bullshit, s10676-024-09775-5.pdf]] - they look the same to me - or are they different ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Beardo}} Yes, the differences are explained in [[:File:Correction_-_ChatGPT_is_bullshit.pdf]] [[User:FruitJ|FruitJ]] ([[User talk:FruitJ#top|talk]]) 00:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

::Ah - OK. Thanks. I see now that they have different dates. (They both have the same DOI - is that right ?) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Beardo}} Yes, they both have the same DOI. [[User:FruitJ|FruitJ]] ([[User talk:FruitJ#top|talk]]) 21:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

== Index categorization ==

Index: pages are working pages, and so should be placed only into maintenance categories.  Subject categories are for Mainspace works that have been fully transcribed and transcluded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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They had just knocked off for lunch when I got there, and at the stage door I met Edwards coming out with Miss Cunningham. He looked very white and tired.

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&quot;Well, I wonder if he's double-crossing me?&quot; said Edwards, slowly, as though to himself.

&quot;In what way?&quot;

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243=&quot;Pl. 239&quot; 244=&quot;-&quot; 245=&quot;Pl. 240&quot; 246=&quot;-&quot; 247=&quot;Pl. 241&quot; 248=&quot;-&quot; 249=873
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263=&quot;Pl. 245&quot; 264=&quot;-&quot; 265=881 
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325=&quot;Pl. 250&quot; 326=&quot;-&quot; 327=923
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395=&quot;Pl. 258&quot; 396=&quot;-&quot; 397=973
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417=&quot;Pl. 260&quot;  418=&quot;-&quot; 419=991
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== Format headers (sub-)chapters ==
see examples:
* header chapter -  example: [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol01.djvu/29|vol. 1]], [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol03B.djvu/98|vol. 3]], [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/21|vol. 4]] 
* subchapter:{{gap|7.3em}} [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol01.djvu/34|vol. 1]], [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/28|vol. 4]]
* subchapter halfway page:{{gap|.2em}} [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol02B.djvu/41|vol. 2]], [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol03B.djvu/86|vol. 3]]

== Procedure ==
Like in the previous volumes, after checking the whole volume (with the friendly help of [[User:ShakespeareFan00]]), and marking the empty pages:
* I'll make a very quick round for the even pages, first: header, footer, paragraphs etc. (and for the Plates) {{done}} --[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 16:56, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
* then for the odd pages.
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* then make another round for the cleanup ocr and footnotes for all pages. 
Then the text is ready for proofreading.

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== Keys to species ==
The keys for identification of the species, see e.g. 
* Vol 1: [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol01.djvu/29]] f.
* Vol 2: different -&gt; [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol02B.djvu/26]] f.; and again slightly different: [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol02B.djvu/96]]
* Vol 4: [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/329]] f.

--[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 10:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== Plates ==
Plates from [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/68706 BHL] -&gt; [https://www.archive.org/details/pt2treesofgreatb04elweuoft IA] / [https://ia801308.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/27/items/pt2treesofgreatb04elweuoft/pt2treesofgreatb04elweuoft_jp2.zip list]; manually enhanced in Gimp

e.g. 
* [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/35|Plate 208]] &lt;- vert.
* [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/39|Plate 209]] &lt;- landscape
* [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/51|Plate 212]] &lt;- 2 vert. (and [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol04B.djvu/259|Plate 244]], with two captions); compare diff. type in vol 3: [[Page:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol03B.djvu/109|Plate 144]]


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== Extracts of [[For the Sexes: The Gates of Paradise]] ==
{{closed/s|Turned into redirects as extracts}}
That page contains a two fragments of [https://blakearchive.org/copy/gates-sexes.d?descId=gates-sexes.d.illbk.01] (p. 2 &amp; 21), and is where it should be added in full.

Three other pages contain three fragments of that same work, as rootpages, and should be deleted as extracts:
* [[The Gates of Paradise]] (p. 2)
* [[Of the Gates]] (p. 19-20)
* [[To The Accuser who is The God of This World]] (p. 21)
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[A New Song of New Similies]] ==
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Is an extract of [https://www.google.fr/books/edition/A_Complete_Edition_of_the_Poets_of_Great/Yl5MAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;dq=A+Complete+Edition+of+the+Poets+of+Great+Britain.+Volume+the+Eighth&amp;pg=PR8&amp;printsec=frontcover] (p. 332), so delete per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Surely an individual poem has its own existence and does not become am &quot;extract&quot; merely by having been included in a collection of poems ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
: Yeah, a poem is, broadly, a work, and can have a version within other works, such as periodicals or collections. Typically what we'll do is delete it after a scan-backed version has been provided. That particular collection looks like a rough project; I'd wait. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::In that case I {{vk}} unless/until we find a collected edition of Gay's poems which we use. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{vote keep}} until replaced by a scan backed version.
:[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 23:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[ No Peace Before Victory]] ==
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Is an extract of [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=7yVCAAAAIAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q=NO%20PEACE%20BEFORE%20VICTORY&amp;f=false] (p. 307), so delete per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:By the way - there is no delete tag on the actual page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
: Weak {{vk}}, as speeches are themselves a type of work. I don't like that it's not scan-backed, but I'm reluctant to delete it if we have nothing to replace it with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::There is another version of that speech (without that title) at https://archive.org/details/speechhonhenry00davis/page/n5/mode/2up -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{vk}} We typically consider speeches / bills / laws etc. as independent works even though they are typically published in large collections (e.g. the Federal Register, Hansard, Congressional Record, etc.). For example, we just discussed Lavrov's speech at the UN General Assembly without requiring proofreading the whole collected set of the whole General Assembly session for the year. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Last of the Plainsmen]] ==
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Only contains chapter one, and does not give a source. This page and user who created have had no activity for a year and a half. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 00:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:The Internet Archive has a decent quality scan if someone wants to take this up properly: https://archive.org/details/lastofplainsmen0000zane_b4h9 [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 09:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Undelete [[:File:Story of Ichalkaranji.pdf]] ==
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According to the deletion discussion, it entered the public domain this year. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 20:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Norbillian}} {{done}} since no matter what the case was in 2018, it's in the public domain now. And feel free to also assess if it can go to Commons now, and fill in more info. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 21:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Could you also delete the index file? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 21:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 21:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I noticed the Index also had pages, will undelete them. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::For the US, yes,ut since this was published in India, and the author died in 1987, the file needs a &quot;Do not copy to Commons&quot; template with the author's date of death noted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::It also needs a {{tl|book}} template present and filled out. Title, date, author, and ''source'' being of particular importance. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Gregg Shorthand Manual]] ==
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They are not editions of the same work, they are different works. The list is redundant to the list of works in [[Author:John Robert Gregg]]. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Added a forgotten {{tl|delete}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::I am not sure I follow. The 1916 linked title is &quot;Gregg Shorthand: A Light-line Phonography for the Million: New and Revised edition&quot; with copyrights of 1893, 1916, 1901. The 1902 linked title is &quot;Gregg Shorthand: A Light Line Phonography for the Million: Revised edition&quot;, copyright 1901, 1902, 1893. The 1898 link is entitled: &quot;Gregg's Shorthand: A Light-line Phonography for the Million copyright 1898, 1892. The 1893 is entitled &quot;Gregg's Shorthand: A Light-Line Phonography for the Million&quot;,  copyright 1893.  Why are these not different editions of the same work?  Of course new and revised editions have updates, new material etc., I get that the first edition US edition is 35 pages with five 4 page lessons that have been expanded to 154 pages with twenty 8-10 page lessons in the &quot;Fifth edition&quot;. The author describes them as editions rather than new works as well. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 14:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::What led me to the conclusion that they are separate works was the very different content of the books, compare e.g. the First Lesson of the [https://archive.org/details/1888GreggShorthandManual-1stVersionPublishedInLiverpool/page/9/mode/2up 1888], of the [https://archive.org/details/1893GreggShorthandManual-2ndVersionPublishedInTheUnitedStates/page/n7/mode/2up 1893] and of the [https://archive.org/details/1898GreggsShorthandManual-3rdVersionPublishedInUs/page/XIV/mode/2up 1898] book. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The actual content covered isn't ''that'' different if you read it, certainly they are closer in content than say versions of the ''[[Encyclopedia Britannica]]''. But even so, when is the solution to we have works by the same author with similar titles (e.g. completely different poems with the same title) deletion as redundant to the listing on the Author page rather than conversion to a disambiguation page? I really don't see the problem with listing &quot;Light-line Phonography&quot; on a disambiguation page for &quot;A Light-line Phonography for the Million&quot; or vice versa. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::OK, I agree with conversion to a disambiguation page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Rise of the Grubbs and Colemans]] ==
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This is just an extract from Historical Papers and Addresses of the Lancaster County ..., Volumes 17-18 - see the google books link on the talk page. It doesn't seem to be a full item, just a subsection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} Even more so, it's an extract of a speech inside a section. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Frederick II generalis litterae, 1224]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as not in english}}
Work is not in English - so does not belong. (Also no source given). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Category:Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society (1665-1886)]] and subcategories (not subpages) ==
{{closed/s|Speedy-deleted under [[WS:CSD#G8]]}}
These are all work-based categories, I think. If they are, then they are be speediable under [[WS:CSD#G8]], but I'm not sure whether this counts as work-based. (Are different volumes of a periodical different works? I don't think so, but maybe others disagree.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, they are work-based categories and should all be reachable from the parent page for the periodical. Once that's been checked, then speedy G8. If other organisation is needed, then a Portal and/or a WikiProject should be created. [As a side note, the categories were set up before we'd definitively settled not to have such categories.] [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}} —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 08:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Esszett]] ==
{{closed/s|Consensus to delete}}
I'm not usually a fan of ligature templates, but this goes a step beyond. The German letter ß is not a long s-s ligature. They may look similar, and ß may have originated from a long s-s ligature, but it's a distinct character only used in German (and archaic Lithuanian, Polish and Sorbian orthographies). But the only possible encoding of long s-s in English is just that or ss. I won't fight a template to mark long-s s ligatures, but it should not conflate ß with them.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 03:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:Agree. If it is present in English text, it is probably because the author wants to make some specific distinction from regular s, e.g. they might be trying to explain three different sounds as s, z and ß in a transliteration scheme, or referring to it is a symbol in a drawing or something, in such a situation it might cause confusion to do the conversion. If it is present in a block of German text, we probably shouldn't be messing with it: even if standard orthography says ss is correct, that is not necessarily true in all cases and even so, we shouldn't be correcting older orthography anyways. For example, it may be written SZ when capitalized instead of SS. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}}. I can think of no reason why ß should be transliterated today. In the typewriter era (back when I was studying German at school), it was transliterated when the character wasn't available. However, it is available in all operating systems and major browsers today. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} If we delete the template, we should review existing uses to replace them with the appropriate character(s)—ß, ſs, possibly something else depending on context. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 21:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::(There are only 66, won't be too hard.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::(Note: this has been done by a generous soul.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Having looked over how the template has been used, I agree with this reasoning (and also think ligature templates are mostly a bad idea, but that should be a separate discussion). —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 02:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:John Falkirk's cariches (2).pdf]]==
{{closed/s|'''Speedied''' per [[WS:CSD#G4]] as redundant}}I believe that this is the exact same edition as [[Index:John Falkirk's cariches (3).pdf]] (which is the more complete, in any case). (2) and (3) are, however, clearly different from (1) and (4), which are both different editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Speedied''' as redundant per [[WS:CSD#G4]].
:Also noting, that (2)'s content, despite being marked as proofread, was below that standard (paragraphs not separated, line-break hyphenations not removed, &amp;c), and that (2)'s scan of this same edition crops some of the content, whereas (3) does not. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:Oh, and, please remember to tag items you bring here with {{tl|delete}}. Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Self-published translations from stihi.ru ==
{{closed/s|'''Speedied''' per [[WS:CSD#G7]]–author's request}}
Here is a list of some recentrly added previously selfpublished translations from stihi.ru. I suggest their deletion for the following reasons:
#WS does not accept selfpublished work, which is a reason that should be sufficient on its own
#The author first released the text under a free licence, but later tried to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATamtam90&amp;diff=14807902&amp;oldid=14780532 withdraw] it. Although I am aware of the fact that such withdrawal is not possible, I do not think we should keep it against the authors' will.
#We should not probably move it to the translation namespace, because there the translations can be further edited and tried to be improved by any contributor, which is what the author explicitely does not wish. Quoting two statements of the contributor here:
#*''Do you think to persuade me to play with your &quot;team&quot; in that game again, as an author of some &quot;dynamic, available translation of the work&quot;? When both &quot;poetry and rhyme&quot; are abandoned and instead some &quot;spirit of time&quot; the readers would get &quot;collaborative shit&quot; of self-proclaimed Wikipedia peer-reviewers, without any appropriate background in Middle Age history and folklore?''
#*''I'd prefer to see all my works deleted than crippled by some zealots and knows-nothing.''
The quoted statements also suggest that the contributor was not really aware what the licence under which he originally released the texts really mean, and that they allow anybody to adapt their work.

Here is the list of the works in question:
* [[Liebesprobe]]
* [[Das Todaustreiben]]
* [[Wenn ich ein Vöglein wär]]
* [[Wiegenlied (Des Knaben Wunderhorn)]]
* [[Es kam ein Herr zum Schlößli]]
* [[An einen Boten]]
* [[Rätsel]]
-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:You need to place the delete tag on those separate pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:43, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::True, done. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:The only way we can accept these translations as they are right now is in the Translation: namespace. If the contributor does not wish that to happen, then deletion is the only recourse. The alternative is to first publish them in a medium that permits further use (CC or PD), such as a journal or book, and then host them here with that medium as the scan. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
::I moved one of the works to the Translation space. The user moved it back with the comment &quot;That wouldn't work: either you accept my contribution, as in Ru-wikispurce, or deny: I cannot let anyone cut and cripple my poetic &quot;children&quot;&quot; - https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Liebesprobe&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14807889 -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:08, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Go forth. Remove that right now: you have your own &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liebesprobe&amp;diff=1267292448&amp;oldid=1266864451 excellent] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_einen_Boten&amp;diff=1268187419&amp;oldid=1267937471 excelsior]&quot; wiki-poets, my shameless and ungrateful &quot;friends&quot;. --[[User:Tamtam90|Tamtam90]] ([[User talk:Tamtam90|talk]]) 07:01, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I removed all those English translations from my CC-pool. You have no right to delay. --[[User:Tamtam90|Tamtam90]] ([[User talk:Tamtam90|talk]]) 07:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I am afraid that once you have released the works under a free licence and OTRS confirmed it, the further life of the works is no longer in your hands and we have the right to deal with the works under the terms of the licence. Despite that I think we should show some courtesy, especially as you apparently did not understand what the release really means for the works. However, our processes need their time and it is you who has no right to tell us what we should or should not do. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, Mr. You are mistaken — the permission is granted only for this [https://stihi.ru/avtor/chastushkino&amp;book=3#3 list], which doesn't contain the aforementioned poems anymore. --[[User:Tamtam90|Tamtam90]] ([[User talk:Tamtam90|talk]]) 09:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::That's not the overriding permission here - the one where you saved your changes and licensed them irrevocably under [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC 4 Attribution-ShareAlike] is. OTRS was just verification that you had the right to place that license. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 13:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::No. I never gave such a permission — to cripple my works by whoever that wished. Neither in ru-wiki, nor here (and not a single poet or artist would grant such one). My OTRS permission grants you that you may make some derivatives, without touching the original. Don't agree? Then look for another &quot;sources&quot; for your &quot;experiments&quot;. Now, even formally, you have no right to publish the aforementioned poems, nor even make any derivatives without my permission. --[[User:Tamtam90|Tamtam90]] ([[User talk:Tamtam90|talk]]) 16:39, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::When you post ''anything'' on wikisource, you agree to wikisource's Terms of Use and agree to irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and GFDL. It says that just beside where you click to post. You cannot unilaterally change that ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:50, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::As Beardo pointed out on my talk page, we also have the possibility of [[Wikisource:Deletion policy#G7|speedy deletion]] ''&quot;per request of the author, if the author is the only significant contributor,  ... and the content is not to the benefit of Wikisource.'' I have decided to use this courtesy rule and speedied the works in question to stop this useless discussion which would certainly end by deleting the works anyway. Hopefully the contributor has learned a lesson that he should take free licences more seriously and not release their work recklessly. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:45, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:The works of Archimedes (IA worksofarchimede00arch).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedied per [[WS:CSD#G4]] as redundant to [[Index:The Works of Archimedes.djvu]]}}
This index is a duplicate of [[Index:The Works of Archimedes.djvu]] which has been around longer and has had some work done on it. I don't think that we need the .pdf as well, do we ? -- {{unsigned|Beardo}}
:No we don't, speedy-deleting per [[WS:CSD#G4]] (it's redundant). And, in general, two indexes for essentially identical files can be nominated for speedy deletion under [[WS:CSD#G4]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Elegaic Sonnets 1.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedied per [[WS:CSD#G4]] as redundant}}
This is a duplicate (with a misspelled title) of [[Index:Elegiac Sonnets 1.pdf]] which is already fully proof-read. Duplicate should be removed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 16:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Maynesborough Charter]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. 12-year-old unsourced copydump.}}
Unsourced OCR dump. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:The contents of the charter were republished here: https://archive.org/details/provincialstatepv24newh/page/n525 (p. 477) and run for 4 pages so I likely will just scan back it easily enough. It would be nice if we could find an image of the actual charter (apparently at the the NH Historical society) [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Do you still plan on doing so? and, I didn't understand, do you object to deletion of this version or not? Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Template:WD author]] ==
{{closed/s|Closing without prejudice, as this has veered off-topic and is unlikely to get anywhere constructive}}
This template is explicitly promoting a single user's ideology, which is at odds with the practices and policies of Wikisource, Commons, and Wikidata.  The Example given in the template documentation advocates a linking style with a Wikidata item that [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Q107644932 has been deleted] because it fails to qualify for notability.

Specifically, the first parameter of the template is meant to link to the ''work'' data item at Wikidata, and the second parameter is meant to link to a data item '''for the scan'''.  {{User|RaboKarbakian}} has regularly been creating data items ''for scans'' (not editions) at Wikidata.  Both Billinghurst and I have explained there multiple times that this goes against policy.  Nevertheless, this continues, and each time a different excuse for continuing the practice is offered.

This template is designed specifically to prop up one user's skewed ideology and practices at variance with everything done both here and on other projects.  The template should therefore be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
: Weak {{vd}} because it seems like an improper usage, as there could be multiple scans of the exact same edition of a printed work. That being said, I'm not against using Wikidata to pull data generally, if the data is produced properly (like, if the template actually referred to an item for an edition and not a scan). It can be quite useful, and powerful—so maybe this specific template is out of place, but to generate work links from Wikidata isn't something I'm fundamentally against. I've thought of specific use cases like populating publisher portals from Wikidata queries automatically (not yet tested, just an idea), or populating city portals with authors born there according to Wikidata, which could increase visibility, efficiency, and accessibility of our content. So I don't want the precedent set here to be &quot;don't produce work links from Wikidata&quot; fundamentally—more that, specifically, scans should not be viewed as if editions. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that the principle of pulling WD info is intriguing, but this template isn't being used to pull desirable data, isn't producing desirable results, and does not provide hints to the user about how to effect changes.  Over the past month, when I have followed links generated by this template, I have sometimes gotten local links, sometimes links to Wikipedia articles, and sometimes links to Toolforge.  And there is no means to determine from the setup what is causing a particular link to happen, nor any obvious means for adjusting any link that is wrong.  And all that on top of its use to prop up condemned practices. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not quite sure if the practice employed through the template is the best, but the nominator’s hysterics makes me believe that it can’t be all that bad. The only reason offered for deletion, despite the multiple paragraphs of whining, is that the nominator doesn’t like the use of Wikidata. Absent a discussion (which should probably be at the Scriptorium) to ban the use of Wikidata, I think it’s inappropriate to ban it here through banning the template. The attitude of the nominator seems inconsistent with his status as an administrator; although this is by no means the first time. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
*:You have misunderstood and misread the nomination.  Your objections appeal to perceived &quot;hysterics&quot; and &quot;whining&quot; as reasons to ignore them, without actually bothering to investigate or to verify the problems and issues under discussion.  If you do not understand, you can ask for clarification or examples rather than blaming &quot;attitude[s]&quot; of other people.
*:Please look at [[:d:Q107644932]], which the template documentation specifically advocates as a correct second link.  Then note its deletion on Wikidata and ''their'' reasons for deleting it.  See also [[Wikisource:Requested texts/1929#Novels]], a section using this template as a result of [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3ARequested_texts%2F1929&amp;diff=14666341&amp;oldid=14656320 these edits] by the template's creator.  These must therefore be understood to be &quot;correct&quot; usage of the template, at least according to the template's creator.  Yet these template calls generate undesirable links to Toolforge and other bizarre locations.  Why retain a template specifically and intentionally designed for incorrect links?  Note also that the template is ''not'' pulling data for the Author or the scan; but is merely being used to pull the title and to (incorrectly) link a location off-site from the title. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
*:: The issue Teaea brings up is not about the substance of the nomination, but about social dynamics. I don't think they are the one misunderstanding things. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:51, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Do you mean that their vote is based on social dynamics, and is ''not'' based on the substance of the nomination? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:57, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: My vote is based on your proposal’s lack of foundation—in anything that actually matters. Your “social dynamics” comment goes to the point I made: you made this nomination to harass another user, plain and simple, which is frankly unbecoming of any user, much less an administrator. It’s telling that you are trying to convince yourself that I “do not understand” the problem, when I can see your username right in front of me. Similarly, you “misunderst[and] and misread” by response, and attack me as a way to ignore it without addressing my comments. In fact, your reply illustrates exactly the fact I noted in my response: that your nomination is pure hysterics—and histrionics, for that matter. Your reply states your reason for opposing the template—but it just as clearly shows an objection to its operation, not its existence. You wish the template to function better; perhaps you should work on trying to fix it, or so something else that’s useful, instead of wasting your time here? You rushed me to get ''Orlando Furioso'' (v. 4) in six months ago, and you’re still not done, so that sounds like a good place to start. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:58, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*:I see.  You are using '''gender-based derogatory comments''' like ''[[:wikt:hysterics]]'' and ''[[:wikt:histrionics]]'' to claim that ''my'' behavior is unbecoming.  '''Please desist''' from making derogatory comments; doubly so for comments inherently based on gender.  Such comments are unbecoming of anyone.
*:::*:I fail to see what in [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATE%28%C3%A6%29A%2Cea.%2FRequests&amp;diff=14408078&amp;oldid=14407714 this request] even ''implies'' that I &quot;rushed&quot; you somehow on volume 4 of ''Orlando Furioso''.  Please provide an explanation of why you think you were &quot;rushed&quot; and how you believe that pertains to this deletion discussion. You seem upset that 15 pages out of 282 are not completed from the volume 4 that you prepared a scan for, and on which I have been proofreading ''even this week'' and as recently as [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Orlando_Furioso_(Rose)_v4_1825.djvu/275&amp;oldid=14833787 8 hours] prior to you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AProposed_deletions&amp;diff=14834395&amp;oldid=14834363 posting your complaint].  You have never before (that I can find) expressed such irritation, nor indicated that there are time-limits to complete the proofreading of requested scans.  Before you complain about such things, I recommend first posting a notice at the top of [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]], so that requesting editors are aware that you intend request completions adhere to some time frame.  But this is hardly the forum for such a discussion.
*:::*:Your assumption about my motives for the nomination are incorrect.
*:::*:My nomination is based on the fact that, not only does the template malfunction (and uses created as recently as in the past month by its creator do not function), but that the documentation shows it is ''intended'' to malfunction.  I am not against the idea of pulling data from Wikidata, but this template is so broken from the ground up that it cannot simply be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*:*[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You say “I see” as if you have come across some grand conclusion, and not (as is the case here) like you have simply made something up. If you bothered to read the dictionary definitions you went out of your way to mention, you would realize that neither has any gendered connotation. To copy your language: “'''Please desist''' from making” statements which are outright false. “Such comments are unbecoming of anyone.” On that note, you seem to invent a restriction which I have not made anywhere on my requests page. As you can clearly see, there are other users who have numerous requests which have been open for a longer time—and I have made no statement against anyone but ''you''. I am saying that ''you'' should spend your time doing something ''actually beneficial'' to the project, like proofreading the volume I got for you months ago, instead of lying about and harassing other users, which is what you are currently doing. It is telling that you begin your response by lying about my actions instead of trying to defend your course of action. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:08, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*:*:I apparently read more of the dictionary than you did: [[wikt:hysterics]] &quot;hysteria; a bout of hysteria&quot; -&gt; [[wikt:hysteria]] Etymology: &quot;From New Latin hysteria, a back-formation from Latin hystericus, from Ancient Greek ὑστερικός (husterikós, “suffering in the uterus, hysterical”), from ὑστέρα (hustéra, “womb”)&quot;; Usage notes: &quot;Some usage advisers recommend caution with the terms hysteria and hysterical, because the medical and psychiatric senses of the terms over the centuries have been '''inextricably bound up with bias via stereotypes about gender'''; in medicine, the words are no longer nosologically current. Some advisers recommend avoiding these words even in the broadest sense that is arguably gender-neutral.&quot;
*:::*:*:You failed to answer my question about why you claimed I &quot;rushed&quot; you.  What is the basis for this claim?  What was your purpose in pointing out the length of time it's been worked on (twice now)?
*:::*:*:I have spent my time being beneficial to the project.  I completed two plays this month, including one that you provided, per request.  If this does not satisfy your expectations that I should be doing something beneficial, then the problem lies not with me, because I have been proofreading works you supplied, which you stated is beneficial.
*:::*:*:You are now accusing me of lying.  Please point out the lies, specifically, or kindly retract your claim and apologize. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:00, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*:*:*[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I’m not a doctor, so whether a term is “nosologically current” is irrelevant to me. I wasn’t even using the term in a medical sense, as should have been obvious from a cursory glance at what I wrote. I get that you like Aeschylus and his crew, but I don’t consult the Ancient Greek etymology of every word I use to divine whether you will consider it problematic. You keep asking me to explain my points, but if you would so kindly read my previous statements you would receive the answers you seek. I’m not saying that you’re not a net benefit to the project—you could make an argument for it—but that you’re ''not'' being beneficial in … well, I’ve said it already: “lying about and harassing other users, which is what you are currently doing.” But it is auspicious that you have once again brought my mind to the issue, as during the pendency of this very discussion you have continued your harassment of RaboKarbakian with another nasty message. Do you want me to point that out, too, or is it recent enough for you to remember? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::*:*:*:I say again:
*:::*:*:*:(1) You failed to answer my question about why you claimed I &quot;rushed&quot; you.  What is the basis for this claim?  What was your purpose in pointing out the length of time it's been worked on (twice now)?
*:::*:*:*:(2) You are accusing me of lying.  Please point out the lies, specifically, or kindly retract your claim and apologize.
*:::*:*:*:(3) You claim that &quot;during the pendency of this very discussion you have continued your harassment of RaboKarbakian with another nasty message&quot;, but I am unaware of any harassing or nasty message. Do you mean [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARaboKarbakian&amp;diff=14835707&amp;oldid=14834030 this reply], stating that discussion would decide the issue?  Do you mean [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARaboKarbakian&amp;diff=14835736&amp;oldid=14835707 this message], chastising the inappropriate [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource_talk%3AProofread_of_the_Month&amp;diff=14835698&amp;oldid=14827781 altering of another user's comments]? Please support your claim with evidence, or apologize. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:46, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:I am not sure I follow entirely. OIs the problem that we use WD to link the page here to the backing document on Commons and index file? E.g. using WD fields such as (P996, P724, P1957, P675, P1844)? Our example {{tl|Authority control}} says &quot;authority control data should be added to wikidata&quot; and the example provides ARCHIVE=, which is a scan level and not a Work or Edition level property. Routinely we have multiple scans at commons with multiple archive IDs of the same edition, are these all supposed to pile up on the same edition in WD? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:56, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::I also think this gets into the murkiness around what is an &quot;edition&quot;, e.g. if changes are made within a print run such as a correction changing the year on the title page, adding &quot;second thousand&quot; etc. Do we start making these as 1a edition, 1b edition etc.? For example, this image [[https://archive.org/details/cu31924022606317/page/441]] was removed from later copies of the first edition such as the one we currently are proofing [[https://archive.org/details/lifeonmississipptwai/page/441]]. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:13, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Part of the reason this is hard to follow is that the template's creator regularly conflates work / edition / scan in creation of Wikidata items.
:::* [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q131576744 item created that is marked as both a work and an edition, with further editions of the work/edition listed]
:::* [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7366709&amp;action=history edition data added to work data item]
:::* Transfer of content on Wikidata pertaining to an edition from a Wikidata item for an edition to a Wikidata item for a work [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6223425&amp;diff=2277988290&amp;oldid=2103095547 e.g.], and ''vice versa''.
:::Or compare [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3ARequested_texts%2F1929&amp;diff=14656785&amp;oldid=14656320 this insertion of the template] on Wikisource coupled with the [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q24255922&amp;diff=2276795152&amp;oldid=2276793487 insertion of edition-specific data] to a data item for the work in general.  Likewise [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13479598&amp;diff=2276800435&amp;oldid=2276798115 here].
:::The template added here then is linked to the now confused Wikidata items. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is orthogonal to the discussion at hand, which isn't about whether adding &quot;publisher&quot; to a work entry in WD to for example populate a WP Infobox is prohibited, whether they should create a work level &quot;first publisher&quot; separate from &quot;publisher&quot; and editions etc. I would note that P123 says &quot;literary work&quot; is an allowed entry, and links to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44996 as an example usage which is a work and not an edition. The solution would be to put a constraint that these properties aren't allowed on works in WD. This was explicitly rejected on the discussion page &quot;For the vast majority of books ... it seems much better to assign a publisher to the creative work, rather than expect WD will create book entries for them all.&quot; For publication date the description says: &quot;use 1st edition when referring to works&quot; implying that is also an acceptable usage when referring to work.
:::My POV fwiw;
:::a. Author pages list works, version pages list editions / scan hodgepodges (as we don't have a three-level hierarchy).
:::b. We don't make a distinction between version / edition pages until we have multiple editions when we create version pages. Linking from Author directly to a particular edition is widespread practice.
:::c. We don't expect creating a version page for every single work to enforce version / edition separation unless multiple editions are present.  We also don't mandate redirects in preparation for a future version page. That means we don't have separate work and edition targets. Propose updating our policy to mandate creation of separate targets on our end before complaining about confusion, i.e. every scan back edition should be linked to either a redirect or version/translation page under the main title
:::d. I am generally fine with create a hybrid WD for the work early with the edition and scan info, then create the edition and move those properties once we have an edition target, i.e. once we start transclusion.
:::{{vk}}
::: [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 10:37, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
'''Keep'''-All that needs to happen to satisfy &quot;The Book Project&quot; (which has shown more interest in '''not''' having inter-wiki links) is if Redirects are allowed here and to be used at wikidata.  The history of {{Q|Q124282449}} and [[John Brown's Body (1928)]] really tells it all.  I put the link of this single finished work into the main wikidata for this work ({{Q|6223425}} so that it would render on en.wiki and perhaps en.quotes.  As you remember, all of the interwiki links were deleted because wikidata would be providing them.  And, Petey lectured me of the &quot;Book Projects&quot; requirements for the wiki links (the part at the bottoms of the data that are for the wikis).  I think that a redirect was made so that the link could appear there; and no (if not that one, several others were deleted previously); that is not how the book project does things.

That I am being harassed by Petey has more evidence than not because, having failed at chastising me properly (or whatever) for some datas I was adding to versions at wikidata, Petey immediately launched this deletion request; not even waiting a day of &quot;good faith&quot; or what have you.  Perhaps there is better evidence that Petey is a fine person who would never do such a thing.  I am open to any fact regarding this.

But simply allowing redirects will satisfy the Book Project and also provide the inter-wiki links, which is what wikidata is supposed to do.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:59, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Users at Wikidata have been trying to explain to you the difference between &quot;work&quot; and &quot;edition&quot; since 2018.  That's six years of &quot;assuming good faith&quot; before acting to rectify a problem that isn't being solved through such discussion.  Moving links around to get links to show up the way ''you'' want them to, in opposition to the Wikidata standards, is not the solution. Wikidata has a community-agreed upon set of standards.  Flaunting those standards for six years, and arguing that you are right and the community is wrong, means that good faith can no longer be assumed on this issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Check:''' Is [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q131299816 this data item] for a ''work'' or for an ''edition''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

'''Speedy close/keep without prejudice''': I would request at this point that an uninvolved admin close this nomination without prejudice, pending further discussion and a fresh (and more transparently reasoned) nomination, if necessary. Parsing the wall of text above is not a great use of Wikisource volunteers' time. Any user (and especially administrator) should make an effort to set aside disputes they are invested in, and work for resolution in ways that do not tax the rest of the community. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 05:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Al Mawakeb Research Center(AMRC)]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedied per precedent discussion by EncycloPetey}}
Looks like self-promotion. However, this ''still'' hasn't been deleted since the [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2024#Al Mawakeb Research Center(AMRC)|deletion discussion last December]] (and the associated PDFs were gotten rid of on Commons in January). We should get rid of this once and for all. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 23:10, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:It '''was''' [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=12144305 deleted].  This page has been re-created since it was deleted.  Since the previous discussion stands, and since no new discussion has occurred, I will act to speedy it now. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:15, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 23:17, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[James Cook and South Georgia in 1775]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedying per [[WS:CSD#G4]]: redundant, already in the chapters of the parent work}}
This is just an extract from a Gutenberg book. AS I understand it, we don't want extracts like this. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:See [[A Voyage Towards the South pole and Around the World/Volume II/Chapter 5]] and [[A Voyage Towards the South pole and Around the World/Volume II/Chapter 6]] where it is already contained in the containing work. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:34, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Author:Ijaz Hussain Batalvi]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Recent author with no known works in English.}}
A Pakistani author who apparently died last year.  Do we have any evidence of works in English?  (The images on the page are all in Arabic/Urdu script)  Do we have any evidence of works not currently under copyright? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

:({{comment}}: The death date seems to be 2004: the author page says 2004, which is confirmed by [[d:Q125918014]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:01, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Chanchal Sarkar]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied, as beyond scope for consisting of external links only.  No evidence that the works are in PD.}}
Both links are dead and cannot be recovered from archive.org (even after stripping away the |a part). Also, the author page, [[Author:Ijaz Hussain Batalvi]], is also up for deletion. So I suggest deleting this as well. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 22:53, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:I've corrected the links, but it's not clear to me that these are 1) freely licensed or 2) published works - they're a pair of personal letters written in 1994 and 1997. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 01:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::{{vd}} - that page is just a couple of links to webpages. As such it doesn't belong in main space. And as mentioned, I those works look like they would still be in copyright and so not hostable here anyway. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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== Faust: A Tragedy ==
{{closed/s|Kept: these two editions are not redundant, as they're different}}
After looking at the title page again, I realized that there is no copyright notice, just a publication date. For that reason I ask for the [[Index:Faust-bayard-taylor-1889.djvu|index]] page to be deleted, so that another one, with a 1912 edition with copyright can take its place. [[User:HendrikWBK|HendrikWBK]] ([[User talk:HendrikWBK|talk]]) 20:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:We don't delete an edition simply because another one is available.  Wikisource is open to hosting multiple editions of the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
::Why would it matter if there were or were not a copyright notice for something that is so old ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Well it is also missing pages... but assuming the two differ only slightly upload the new one and mark this one as redundant, like the nomination above. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:04, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::The 1889 copy was printed in London. Might we want to keep that unless we can find an earlier edition ? And was the 1912 copy a US edition ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:HendrikWBK|HendrikWBK]] - is the 1912 edition in Commons ? Or where is it ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:47, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, [[Commons:File:Faust-bayard-taylor-1912.djvu|here]]. There is also an [[Index:Faust-bayard-taylor-1912.djvu|index]] here at Wikisource. [[User:HendrikWBK|HendrikWBK]] ([[User talk:HendrikWBK|talk]]) 13:28, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The existence of another edition is not a reason to delete one.
:::The nominations above are for ''identical editions'', which these are not at all.
:::(On the license side, all are {{tl|PD-US}}. Copyright notices don't matter for stuff this old.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:49, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:HendrikWBK|HendrikWBK]] - so one is a UK edition and the other US. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:50, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::So I say {{vk}} both editions. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:12, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Bronx and Its People/William Henry Steinkamp]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept. Now backed by a scan,}}
Was nominated for speedy deletion by @[[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]], as an extract. As this does not fall under [[WS:CSD#G5]], which only covers pages whose content has obviously no place here, whereas this piece of a scanned book that is in scope, I am bringing it here instead. (@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]], as creator). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{Keep}} I am the uploader. We have discussed this on several other occasions. If it can be read in its entirety ''it is not an excerpt''. We are not required to host entire magazine issues or host entire newspaper issues. We host self contained magazine articles and we host self contained newspaper articles. If a short story is contained in an anthology we are not required to host the entire anthology, if a book is part of a series, we are not required to host the entire series. When the Harry Potter books go into the public domain in the US, we are not going to wait for all 7 books to go into the public domain before we start hosting them. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 02:39, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} It's very marginal; this is a single biographic entry from a biographical dictionary. It's more like a extract than a single short story. I'd like to discourage loading one piece of a magazine or a newspaper; in this case, there's absolutely no reason we couldn't host the whole book. From a librarian perspective, stuff like [[Portal:Abraham Oldrin Salter]] and [[Portal:William Henry Steinkamp]] feel like vanity projects. They're not whole books or influential articles; they're one page snippets. 
: I start with keep, quickly went to neutral, and eventually to delete. Wikimedia projects are built by many people working on many things, but they're going for one unified work, and putting up one page snippets of books isn't helping us be a better library. I might make an exception for obituaries--my local library copied all the obituaries from the local newspaper before getting rid of decades of them--but there's no justification for one obituary out of a book of obituaries, or in this case one biography out of a book of biographies.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 06:56, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;My local library copied all the obituaries from the local newspaper before getting rid of decades of them&quot;. I great book to read is [[w:Double Fold]] where the British Library microfilmed their newspaper archives with high contrast film then discarded the originals. They didn't have the foresight to recognize that digital scanning was just around the corner, that preserved the images, not just the text. See:[[Commons:File:Thomas Patrick Norton II (1920-2011) and Vincent Gerard Norton (1923-2005) in the Jersey Journal on May 29, 1944.png]] (scan) versus [[Commons:File:Vincent Gerard Norton (1923-2005) on the wounded list printed in the Jersey Journal of Jersey City, New Jersey on October 9, 1944.png]] (high contrast 35 mm Kodak microfilm). --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 16:17, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''—while I am of RAN’s opinion (that this should be considered an individual work), when I did this in the past everything was deleted. So, I support '''keep'''ing it with the knowledge that it is against historical consensus. I also disagree with Prosfilaes’ opinion—those portals are quite helpful, ''especially'' because the subjects aren’t the subject of lengthy books. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:02, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
:: We should be re-examining those that were deleted, consensus changes over time. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
:: There's a reason the subjects aren't the subject of books. Or Wikipedia. This is part of what the rule about excerpts  was made to avoid, people pulling out one section about their issue instead of doing the whole work, or at least setting up the whole work to be done. As long as the book is all available to work on, I won't request what's there be deleted. I'm not going to fight over the portals, but would support a move to delete any portals subnotable for Wikipedia.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:34, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{vk}} but only if a scan / index for the containing work is set up.  Any reference work we host must start somewhere, and this is backed by a scan of the relevant page.  While this is far from ideal, the page name is already set to indicate the containing work for this entry, and it is ready to be converted to scan backing.  I found scans for all three volumes on IA: Vol I {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi01well}}; Vol II {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi02well}}; Vol III {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi03well}} --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:24, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
: {{vk}} per EP. Scan index started [[Index:The Bronx and Its People vol. 3.djvu|here]]. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 22:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
: '''Keep''' as original nominator. As it's now scan-backed in a larger source, I see no reason it should be deleted. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 23:13, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
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== The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents abridged ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Self-published abridged edition.}}
* [[The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, 1610-1639, Abridged]]
* [[The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, 1640-1655, Abridged]]
* [[The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, 1656-1675, Abridged]]
* [[The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, 1676-1764, Abridged]]
To quote the note field of these pages: {{tqi|A modern, abridged 2016 edit by John Swapceinski}}, created by @[[User:Jswap|Jswap]], which probably means that this is their own work and is not a copyright issue. It is, though, self-published. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{vote delete}} in favor of the scan at https://archive.org/details/cihm_07535/page/n21/mode/2up which we should proofread sometime instead. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 04:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Note the comments at [[User_talk:Jswap#The_Jesuit_Relations_and_Allied_Documents]]. One of the books on Amazon can be seen here - https://www.amazon.com/Jesuit-Reports-North-America-1610-1764-ebook/dp/B01DTN9R9O -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::We'd probably need to a) get OTRS, and b) find to what degree the content we have is the books' (namely, the book description does not include the word &quot;abridged&quot;.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The whole Jesuit Relations is 73 volumes. Proofreading the whole unabridged set is a massive undertaking (that is more volumes than the DNB for example), and even so the ordering and context will be quite different as the original volumes are not strictly chronological (never mind the recessions, standardizations, rewordings, translations from Latin, etc. listed on the Amazon description). This is plenty enough to make it qualify as a &quot;new edition&quot;. Its suitability should depend on the self-publishing question and whether an Amazon ebook or some other adequate source can be found. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{vote keep}} as an annotated text for the sake of accessibility. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 22:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::To quote [[WS:ANN]], which is official policy: {{tqi|A &quot;clean&quot; text, in the context of this policy, is the original work with no user-added annotations.  A clean text must exist on Wikisource before an annotated version of the same text can be created.}} So, this can't be kept. (The reasoning behind that is also given: {{tqi|Any user annotation without such a base work being hosted somewhere in the Wiki-World, if not on en.WS itself, at the same time is of little added-value to the potential reader and of questionable fidelity at best in regards to the quality standards of Wikisource.}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If this were like the case of [[The Case Against Vaccination]], which was an annotated version that I replaced with a scan-backed version, I would agree. But as this work contains 72 volumes, according to [[The Encyclopedia Americana (1920)/Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, The]], a huge project we have not started at all, I think keeping this text presents added value to a potential reader. 
:::Regarding questionable fidelity, [http://moses.creighton.edu/kripke/jesuitrelations/ the only fully transcribed version I can find of all the volumes] notes that &quot;The volumes on this site were not professionally scanned and proof read (sic) so if you are using them for publication purposes it is best to recheck them against the original volumes as there are some errors in them&quot;. There is a digital version available upon subscription to a library service, apparently, but it can't even be paid for by individuals.
:::My conclusion is that the source text is very long and no quality transcribed version is currently easily accessible. PG has only 7 volumes. So, self-published or not, I think that removing these texts would diminish the accessibility of the text for historians and interested parties. Keeping these texts is valuable for potential readers and editors looking for citations. — [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Before deleting it, you may want to at least read the foreword to get a feel for what I did to modernize and abridge it. It took me over a year and there are quite a few modernizations in terms of units of length, currency, place names, and tribe names, among other things. And yes, it is self-published. I published it also as an ebook on Amazon but there were so few sales, I thought I would just release it here. I renamed the work to &quot;The Jesuit Reports&quot; when it was published on Amazon. It's no skin off my nose if it's deleted, but I thought some people might enjoy it. -- John Swapceinski [[Special:Contributions/50.49.30.72|50.49.30.72]] 07:59, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource does not accept self-published texts, but there is likely some place on the Internet that would gladly accept hosting this text, and where you could release it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Archive.org would definitely facilitate downloads if we took it down, which I think we shouldn't, at least not before we have an alternate scan-backed version. It was previously self-published, but I think it would be fine here as long as we marked that it was annotated. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 08:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} per nom. and Alien333. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Undelete [[Dada Manifesto (1918, Tristan Tzara)]]? ==
{{closed/s|result=Not done. The previously deleted text was of questionable authenticity and dubious origin, as well as still under copyright.}}
Seeing as it was made in 1918, it has been in the public domain in the United States since 2013. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 02:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}}.  The deletion discussion notes that the translator died in 1963, so the translation is still under copyright. [[Wikisource:Copyright_discussions/Archives/2006-07#Dada Manifesto (1918, Tristan Tzara)]]  I note from looking at the deleted text that the date cannot be correct, since the uploader included a signatory date of 1921 on a work supposedly from 1918.  I get the sense that there was concern that the work was not genuine because no source was ever identified. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Aah. Thanks for the info. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 02:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I have also compared the IP translation against the anonymous one linked via the Wikipedia article [[w:Dada Manifesto]].  There is little to no similarity.  However, I cannot support using that linked English translation as a source either, because it too lacks bibliographic information. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I found the french-language original: it's [http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/dada/dada/3/01.htm there], and on the following pages.
::::I can (as a french speaker) confirm that the deleted text has pretty much nothing to do with the original.
::::[https://writing.upenn.edu/library/Tzara_Dada-Manifesto_1918.pdf The translation] linked to on enwp, and present elsewhere, would be pretty accurate, but it [...]s large parts of the text. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Note that the European Caravan (1931) has what looks like a complete translation (pp. 92-7), I haven't checked the renewal status but that seems the best bet for a PD translation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::[https://exhibits.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/catalog?exhibit_id=copyrightrenewals&amp;search_field=search&amp;q=European+Caravan Not renewed], I believe.
::::::Do you know where a scan of it could be found? Not seeing any at first glance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: I could probably borrow a copy through ILL, if you would be interested in proofreading it. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::*:Might as well, why not? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::*:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Here you go: [[:File:European Caravan.djvu]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::*:*:Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Restoring Freedom of Speech and Ending Federal Censorship]]==
{{closed/s|[[Index:Restoring Freedom of Speech and Ending Federal Censorship.pdf]] (not the mainspace page) deleted as a user-generated PDF}}The source PDF here is a print-out of the Web-site; a proper copy sourced to the ''Federal Register'' is available at [[Executive Order 14149]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 17:44, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} as we don't want webpages that are repurposed as PDFs as indexes. {{comment}} Maybe ideally we need something in deletion criteria that explicitly states, &quot;no screenshots of webpages, no print-outs, no HTML pages converted to PDF directly by any means, etc.&quot; All these just seem to me like a misapplication of the goals of an Index, which are primarily for works that explicitly need to be treated in iterative form (usually scans of books). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:40, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

::Isn't this best made into a redirect to the copy sourced from the ''Federal Register'' ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:27, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::How are we supposed to see the difference between two pdf files, one generated as a print-out of a website (assuming the print-out split it in multiple pages), and one published as a pdf? All modern documents look alike (at least to me). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: I made this request so that the Index: and Page: could also be deleted; after that, I will ask for them to be deleted from Wikimedia Commons. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: The ''Federal Register'' PDF is a digital copy of an actual, physical, printed item. It’s simply easier to use the digital-first copy (which has all the text correct without OCR) then obtain the right issue of the ''Federal Register'', scan the right pages, get poor OCR, and manually correct it. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 13:57, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:Ok, thanks.
::*:Note, for the federal register: oughtn't we upload whole issues, rather than extracts? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:58, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::*::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] - Are there whole issues ? Where do you find them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:03, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:::Whole issues can found at https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/fr. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 05:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] - surely deleting the main page doesn't automatically delete the index and pages - you need to propose those for deletion. But I don't see why you can't delete the index and pages whilst making the main page a redirect. (I am going to make that a redirect anyway, as that is what should have been done). Also, you haven't tagged any pages with a delete tag. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:57, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:*[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: Redirection is not infrequently the result of deletion discussions, so I don’t see the point of separation. I thought a discussion was important in case anyone had a strong argument for keeping the Web-site copy. In this case, whole issues are generally not uploaded, as is the case with certain United Nations work as well; it is simply established practice at this point. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:03, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:*:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] - you still need to propose the Index for deletion if that is what you want, and mark the pages with the delete template. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beardo}} No, putting {{tl|delete}} templates on all the pages of an Index has not been a common practice here. On top of being extremely time-consuming (remembering that our works range in page counts from one single page to ''over 1000 pages!!!!''), if an indexed work were to be ''kept'', then the pages would all have to have their {{tl|delete}} templates removed as well after the fact. Maybe the index can get a {{tl|delete}} template, but putting it on all the pages seems frivolous.
: Also, the question of &quot;Shouldn't we just make a redirect rather than deleting the page?&quot; is a common enough question that I think we should ''explicitly write'' at the top of [[WS:PD]], and possibly [[WS:CV]] and in our policies, that when we say we want to ''delete'' a work, it doesn't necessarily always include using the ''MediaWiki delete '''feature''''' outright, but is more about deleting (as in removing) the ''current content of the page'' in favor of something more acceptable for the situation (like a redirect). The point is we want to get rid of what's currently there, and whether we need to use the delete ''button'' to do this should—while it is the most common scenario—not be the only assumed option. We don't have a &quot;Wikisource:Proposed changes to redirects&quot; for a reason—it's fundamentally the same practice as ''deletion'' in a different form. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:43, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] - yes, I didn't mean to have the delete templateon all the individual pages, but I think it should be on the Index page. And in this case, the {{tl:delete}} template was not placed anywhere, not on the index page nor on the main page.
::Whilst making a page into a redirect might be a common conclusion to a deletion discussion, it seems to me unwieldy to have to go through a deletion discussion in order to make the page a redirect. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:30, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Restoring Names That Honor American Greatness]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted the index (not the mainspace page) because it is a user-generated PDF}}Same reason as request above.[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 21:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

:Is it the policy that we don't want .pdfs taken from the White House website ? If so, then yes, [[Index:Restoring Names That Honor American Greatness - The White House.pdf]] should be deleted. (It could probably be speedy deleted now as redundant.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:51, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
::Correct.  Current opinion is that we do not accept user-generated PDFs from web content, based on previous discussion concerning this issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
:Then {{vote delete}} the PDF, I think, but {{vote keep}} the mainspace page (we can just copy-paste the executive order, or maybe get it from the ''Federal Register'' instead). [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 22:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
::The mainspace page redirects to a version properly sourced from the Federal Register. So {{vk}} that, but {{vd}} the Index and associated pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Song of the Battle of Abin]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as an extract}}
This appears to be an extract from a two-volume work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:As a song, wouldn't that have an existence in its own right and so be acceptable ?  -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:22, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::No, since this is a journal extract, and no because it's not actually a song. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:05, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Executive Order in Response to Russian Hacks.pdf]]==
{{closed/s|Consensus to delete}}Just like [[#Restoring Freedom of Speech and Ending Federal Censorship]] above, this is a pre-''Federal Register'' print of [[Index:Executive Order 13757.pdf]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} - though couldn't that one be put for speedy deletion as redundant ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
::Redundancy would be for identical (or extremely similar) files. Here it's two versions of it, one of which we're probably not going to host, but they're distinct (formatting is different for instance). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:37, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, OK. So {{vd}} per nomination. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Enzikiriza Y&amp;#39;omusiraamu Entuufu.djvu]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied. Not in English, and thus beyond scope.}}
This document is not in English, and so does not belong here. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:02, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
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== Stautes of the Realm ==
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Minimal effort, Files are too big to reliably thumbnail:-
[[Index:The_Statutes_of_the_Realm_Vol_2_(1377-1509).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 3 (1509-47).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 1 (1547-84).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 2 (1586-1625).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 5 (1628-80).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 6 (1685-94).pdf]]
[[Index:The_Statutes_of_the_Realm_Vol_7_(1695-1701).pdf]]
[[Index:The_Statutes_of_the_Realm_Vol_8_(1702-7).pdf]]
[[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 9 (1708-13).pdf]]

Easier to delete these to allow for a different contributor to &quot;start again&quot; with a known quality edition actually compatible with Mediaki/Wikimedia infrastructure.  (I've ommitted Volume 1  as that had more substantial contributions, and can be migrated when someone uploads the relevant volume as part of a KNOWN set of scans, that display reliably)

Due to changes elsewhere, these very large files, also need to be replaced with less resource intensive ones. ( Penn University has as set of scans on Hathi - (https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012297566 ) which are nearly the same edition as the very large files.

Perhaps someone can work through these, checking for missing pages and generate appropriately slimmed down Djvu and replace the PDF's that aren't seemingly compatible with the infrastructure. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 00:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:''' Withdrawn ''' as another contributor plans to squeeze the files. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:75 FR 43825 anti-circumvention exemption.pdf]]==
{{closed/s|Deleting as an extract (we have the full index too)}}An excerpt of [[:File:Federal Register 2010-07-27- Vol 75 Iss 143 (IA sim federal-register-find 2010-07-27 75 143).pdf|the issue]], which is referenced on the versions page. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:48, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:There are two transcribed pages in the Index nominated for deletion.  Can these please be transferred to an Index for the volume prior to the deletion? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
::{{done}}, closing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Infobox1]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied. Beyond scope; used to create biography articles,}}
There is a ''lot'' of spam in the [[Special:AbuseLog|abuse log]] that uses random infobox templates like {{tl|infobox person}} and suchlike, as if they were writing a Wikipedia-style article. But since Wikisource is not Wikipedia, I don't think we would ever run into a scenario where we would ''actually'' need this template. Keeping it feels like it would be a spam magnet. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 06:06, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}}: as a good example of why having this around is a bad idea, its creator, @[[User:Priyank b sutariya|Priyank b sutariya]], only created to then create an autobio article at [[Priyank sutariya]] (which I have now speedied per CSD:G5). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
::sure ! I have found that, I will delete it [[User:Priyank b sutariya|Priyank b sutariya]] ([[User talk:Priyank b sutariya|talk]]) 08:05, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[A Paradox (Lovelace)]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept. Now proofread and transcluded from a scan.}}
Old copydump with neither source nor license. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

: Just like the rest of the poems on the page, and like (at least most of) the rest of the poems it has scans in the index file link at the top of the list of works.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
::I assume by {{tqi|list of works}} you're referring to the author page. There is a source for these works, as in these poems, but not for the precise text that is on these pages right now. Indeed, that text clearly does not match the file, or that file's OCR (different capitalisation, spelling and punctuation, missing footnotes, &amp;c).
::The ''Lucasta'' of which parts have been dumped here is not the same version as the ''Lucasta'' we have a scan of. Even if that index is transcribed we'll still need to delete these poems. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
::On ''what'' page?  There is no source attached to [[A Paradox]], either in the notes or on the poem's Talk page.  No source is identified for this item. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
::: On [[Author:Richard Lovelace]]. It's like the rest of the poems on that page, and should be probably be deleted with them. It would be more helpful to transcribe them and well source them, but if you're deleting them, it should probably be as a group, instead of one random poem out of the set.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Should we really be deleting works that have been here for almost 20 years, just because they don't meet more recent standards ? And perhaps I don't understand the term &quot;copydump&quot;, but someone did format this work. And it did have a license. I would say, leave these works until we have other versions, then they can be deleted. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:29, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::We don't have a source; therefore we have no assurance that the license is true. For all we know, this could be taken from a copyrighted recent edition. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The term &quot;copydump&quot; is Wikisource jargon.  It refers to dumping a copy on Wikisource, after copying it from another site, with little or no attempt to meet our formatting standards.  In this particular case, a pair of code tags have been added at the start and end, rather than using colons, spacers, or other markup that is normally used on Wikisource copies.  The result displays monospaced type with an off-color background.  A work that has sat here for 20 years in this state, without being backed by source and without being formatted, is precisely what we should be looking at on this page.  It is the dingiest corners that most need sweeping.  I see that you've found a scan and set up a start on an Index page, so if someone can find this poem within that scan, and set up a copy within the context of that work, we can redirect the page currently under discussion to that scan-backed copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:48, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::Is the concern here merely the use of code rather than {{tl|ppoem}}? I just made that simple change and now it meets formatting standards or am I missing something? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:11, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Note I proofread the few dozen lines from here: {{ssl|Lucasta. The poems of Richard Lovelace esq., now first edited, and the text carefully revised. With some account of the author, and a few notes (IA lucastapoemsofri00loverich).pdf}} in case people really object to the no source, which I don't find sufficient.Note the text matches so I don't think copyright is a concern. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:30, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::RE copydump: yes, adding some formatting prevents this from being a mere copydump.  But the goal here is not just the one poem.  The poem (as noted above) is part of a larger concern.  The beginning of the Index transcription helps enormously, as it will make possible the scan-backing of the other poems without sources. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:46, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] -  there are over two thousand works in the category &quot;Texts without a source&quot; - and I am sure more not so categorised. Are you suggesting taht all of those should be deleted ?
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] - thank you for transcribing that - I had looked at it, and reckoned the formatting was beyond me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:16, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::You did most of it, and quite well.  It just needed the images and a little tweaking. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} The page under discussion has been moved to [[A Paradox (Lovelace)]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:39, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::(I have changed the section tittle accordingly.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
:Poem now transcluded from 1864 source scan and moved to within containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
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== Most subpages of A Dictionary of Islam ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. OCR dumps; pages should instead be proofread from the available scan.}}
As OCR dumps (and unsourced, too, as doesn't match the scan's OCR):
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/'Idu 'l-Azha]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/'Ismah]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/'Umar]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/'Usman]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Ahaditah]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Ali]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Ihdad]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Immaculate Conception]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Infants]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Istibrah]]
* [[A Dictionary of Islam/Raihanah]]

(The two other subpages have been proofread.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Mxt]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted.}}
On the assumption that this is an unused, unnecessary template copied from Wikipedia.  I assume that {{tl|monospace}} serves the same basic function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I have no idea if this is actually interesting or not but I do note that it seems to depend on the nonexistent [[Module:TEMPLATENAME]] as does the similar [[Template:!mxt]] (which should probably be treated the same as this template under discussion/review). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 08:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Lloyd's Register of Shipping 1919 Sailing Vessels.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Nomination withdrawn.}}
Begun in good faith, However, it's proved to be more complex than Wikitext representation would reasonably allow.

Additionaly, the same documents appear on IA under Commons incompatible licensing, indicating that the uploaders may have been confused when contributing them to Commons.

I think this Index and Pages should be removed until such time as the uploader actively clarifies the licensing and it becomes possible to accurately represent these important historical resources. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:15, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

: Can you please link to things, both the index but also the [https://archive.org/details/HECROS1919SV IA] page? The source, https://hec.lrfoundation.org.uk/archive-library/lloyds-register-of-ships-online , links to Commons; if they have a problem with the license  used in uploading it to Commons (apparently by them), they can say so. Furthermore, [[Page:Lloyd's_Register_of_Shipping_1919_Sailing_Vessels.pdf/14|the back of the title page]] says it was printed 1918, and HathiTrust has copies, so it's pretty clearly PD-US. I'd like to leave it to anyone who wants to wrestle with mammoth tables to do so; it certainly can be handled using Wikitext; it would just take a lot of work.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:18, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you, '''withdrawn''' -  Please note this was at PD (because I didn't think it was a copyvio.) I already made some attempts to cleanup some of the tables.  Would it be very useful is someone writing a template or module to handle the register entries, with a view to converting/extraction of the data into Wikidata readable entries? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Three famous new songs (2).pdf]]==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Duplicate scan; duplicate Index.}}
This appears to be the same as [[Index:Three famous new songs (1).pdf]]. While possibly a different printing, there appears to be no textual difference between the two chapbooks. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 23:48, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

:How completist do we want to be ? Version (1) has some text missing on the edges of pages 3 and 4. Version (2) is more complete on page 4. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:44, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thinking further, I am going to say {{vk}} because of the difference. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:23, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*What difference? They are the same edition. I have already filled in the text that was missing in (1) from (2) (which is, in turn, worse on page 8). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 17:58, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*{{vd}}. I suppose [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] means that the quality of both scans differs, each of them having different parts hardly legible or illegible. However, that is a reason for keeping both ''files'', but not for having two separate transcriptions or index pages. In fact such pages can be even nominated for speedy deletion under the [[WS:Deletion policy#G4|G4 criterion]]: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:30, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*:Ah, sorry. I wasn't thinking properly. Of course, the scans are in Commons. We don't need to transcribe all. Change my opinion to {{vd}}. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Lord Ruthwen; ou, Les vampires.djvu]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted.}}
As [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] helpfully reminded me, this is a French text and doesn't belong on the English Wikisource. The few transcribed pages are basically just the title and some frontmatter and can be removed as well. [[User:Subvisser5|Subvisser5]] ([[User talk:Subvisser5|talk]]) 20:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* Speedied. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Armor and Cavalry Units]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. No actual substance; merely redlinks.}}
This seems to be a left-over sub-page from a page that was deleted. All redlinks and no actual text. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:Previous deletion discussion: [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2024#7th Cavalry Regiment (United States)]]. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 04:44, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Sea and River Fisheries of New Brunswick/West Isles]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Unformatted copydump.}}
Alos: [[The Sea and River Fisheries of New Brunswick]], the parent page containing only a link to this subpage.

Unformatted copydump per discussion at [[User talk:Fundy Isles Historian - J#The Sea and River Fisheries of New Brunswick]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:43, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Vanity of Vanities (Rossetti, unsourced)]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as redundant to [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)/Vanity of Vanities]]}}
An unsourced version, not needed now that there is a scan-backed version at [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)/Vanity of Vanities]]. As far as I can see, the only differences are that the sourced version has the first word all caps, commas after the ahs in the first two lines and a semi-colon at the end of the second line where the unsourced version has a colon. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:18, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} per nom. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:42, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Colenso-Incoming-Correspondence-1846.03.29-SLNSW.djvu]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted as out of scope (not in english)}}Not in English, no transcription in original language. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} as stated - and the two related Pages have no meaningful content. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[1973 Royal Command Convoking NPA]] ==

This is an unsourced text which is an unofficial translation according to the article creator. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:Where did the article's creator state that ? 
:I note that it was marked for deletion in 2009 and that tag removed in 2011 - I don't know what happened there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
::In the talk page. [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 21:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
:::That doesn't seem to be the article's creator - that is the user who tagged for deletion in 2009. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
:The translation has no licence attached - there seems no indication that has a free licence. It may be that the article creator was the translator, but I doubt that we will be able to find that out. It looks to me like this is a copyvio. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
::I have changed the tag to {{tl|copyvio}} and the discussion should continue here - [[Wikisource:Copyright_discussions#1973_Royal_Command_Convoking_NPA]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:As this is rather a copyright issue in the end, I'm marking this for archiving. :&lt;small&gt;This section was archived on a request by: — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)&lt;/small&gt;

==[[Index:Edwin and Emma (2).pdf]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted as a duplicate of [[Index:Edwin and Emma (1).pdf]], which has more work done}}A duplicate of [[Index:Edwin and Emma (1).pdf]], which is validated. (Incidentally, [[Edwin and Emma (1)]] should be moved to [[Edwin and Emma]] as there is no real “(2).”). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 05:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vd}} per nom. Can be also speedied. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*:{{vd}} to the index and its pages and I agree about the page move. It's a shame that all the proofreading effort on (2) was in vain. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*::(I have moved the mainspace pages.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:51, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[User:TalBot/soft redirect maintenance]] and other subpages of the bot ==
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[[User:TalBot]] is a retired bot by [[User:GrafZahl]]. Its user page [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:TalBot|contains 460 subpages]] originally used to help with some maintenance. Now they have no sensible use, they are just maintenance burden, as they need some code update from time to time, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATalBot%2Fsoft_rdirect_maintenance%2FMay_2015&amp;diff=14004997&amp;oldid=5678736 here]. Pages like [[User:TalBot/soft redirect maintenance/July 2006/redirects]] also bother users as they need to be checked when moving (or deleting) a linked page (it is true that usually no action needs to be done, leaving the red link there, but it still urges the users to check the page at least). I suggest deletion of the subpages (but not of the user page of the bot). -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} per nom. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
:ℹ️ Maybe you want to keep the [[w:Python_(programming_language)|Python]] programs? In case they are useful for someone?--[[User:GrafZahl|GrafZahl]]&amp;nbsp;([[User talk:GrafZahl|talk]]) 12:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, yes, indeed. I'd assumed Jan meant the bot-generated output pages under [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:TalBot/soft redirect maintenance/|User:TalBot/soft redirect maintenance/]]. I don't see any need to delete the other subpages (I could of course just be missing something; feel free to correct me if so, Jan). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 17:23, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Why not, the Python pages are not that many, I agree with keeping those. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Two songs (3).pdf]], [[Index:Two songs (4).pdf]], [[Index:Two songs (5).pdf]], [[Index:Two songs (6).pdf]]==
{{closed/s|(3), (4) and (5) deleted as duplicates of (6), the cleanest scan. The work done at (5) has been moved to (6).}}These are variant printings of what seems to me to be one edition. They are all different in some way (on the title page, (3) has a diamond below the title and a rectangle around the woodcut, (4) has two lines below the title, (5) has a diamond but no rectangle and a semicolon after the first song, and (6) is like (5) but with a colon instead of a semicolon), but I’m not sure if the differences are enough to be considered a unique edition (and thus worth preserving), thus the discussion. If they were all kept, what would the editions be named? (Note that (1) and (2) are both clearly different editions from each other and the (3)/(4)/(5)/(6) edition.) [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

:Which one do you think should be kept, if we delete the others? (5), perhaps, as it has more work done? Or (6), that has the cleanest scan? What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:44, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
*I would go with (6), as it has the nicest scan; the pages from (5) can be moved over to (6) before the (5)’s index is deleted. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:37, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Te Tiriti o Waitangi - The Treaty of Waitangi (1840) - Waitangi Sheet .jpg]]==
{{closed/s|Not in english, deleted as out of scope (already imported to mulws)}}No English text, and no transcription in original language. The English original has been transcribed [[Treaty of Waitangi|here]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed, {{vd}} per nomination. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Delete''' Imported to [[:mul:s:Te Tiriti o Waitangi]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Home Life in Tokyo 1910 by Jukichi Inouye.pdf/styles.css]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedy-deleted per [[WS:CSD#M1]] (leftover of precedent deletion)}}
This is a stray page left after the parent was deleted in 2023.

I would mark for speedy but I don't know how to do that on this type of page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Done. For the record: use &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;/* {{speedy}} */&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; (and in general in code pages, put {{tl|speedy}} in a comment). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.djvu]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}This is a “discussion draft” of unclear date, and not the final version of the act (which would be [[Index:United States Statutes at Large Volume 122.djvu|here]] anyway). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 05:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what here is the reason for deletion. I gather that this &quot;discussion draft&quot; was published? Would you mind clarifying? thanks. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:09, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
:*Especially with the advent of the Internet, many intermediate versions of bills are available as PDFs for on-line download. This is one example: it is not the final version, but a “discussion draft” of uncertain date. This relic would only serve as a point of confusion. As I stated, the final version is available within our existing collection of ''United States Statutes at Large'' volumes. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
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== ''A Child of the Sea and Life Among the Mormons on Beaver Island'' ==
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I'm moving this book to a scan-backed version. From the old version, there are separate pages for extremely short subsections that I don't think are needed.

* [[A Child of the Sea and Life Among the Mormons on Beaver Island/EARLY MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD DAYS]]
* [[A Child of the Sea and Life Among the Mormons on Beaver Island/Early Memories of Childhood Days]]
* [[A Child of the Sea and Life Among the Mormons on Beaver Island/Prologue]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 17:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:As these pages have been in existence for a number of years, isn't the preferred approach to make them [[Help:Redirects#Soft_redirects|soft redirects]] which should be deleted after a few months ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general I would recommend breaking the transclusion up into subpages, at least the different Parts and use {{tl|AuxTOC}}. If so you can move Prologue --&gt; Introductory if you want and replace with the transcluded version. But in general I am fine {{vd}} per nom as they are very short subsections anyways, not really sure the internal redirects are that valuable. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:34, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Wisconsin's Declaration of Defiance]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as redundant to [[State Documents on Federal Relations/148]]}}
I propose that this article should be deleted and redirected to [[State Documents on Federal Relations/148]] which is a scan backed version of the same article.[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} per nom. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:27, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::Agree - make it a redirect. That document is stated as the source anyway. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Author:Hamid Arzulu]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as has no works in scope (and is probably a self-promotional project)}}
It is not clear if any the works listed are in English - I think that most are probably in Azerbaijani. (The note refers to &quot;our language&quot;).

There was one work that was deleted last year as incomplete.

The bulk of the content was provided by a user called Hamid Arzulu, or an IP address, both of which only show contributions to this page.

A google search only gave several sites that seemed to be copied from the wikipedia article (also created by user Hamid Arzulu). -- {{unsigned|Beardo}}
:On the language side, the deleted work was in english, and the translations are marked &quot;Translation from German language and Azerbaijani language&quot;, so probably weren't translated ''into'' either of these languages. I think that &quot;our&quot; meant english there.
:If that person really licensed some of their works with GFDL, and these works were published verifiably before (so they're not self-published), and they are in english, they're in scope then I suppose.
:I'm not managing to find confirmation or infirmation that there ''was'' verifiable publication of these things, though, so I can't say whether this author has works in scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::Yes, but the two works listed at the top refer to translations from German to Azerbaijani and all the works listed below, except the dictionary, were originally in German, none were originally in Azerbaijani. 

::The wikipedia article includes a link to https://web.archive.org/web/20120402111335/http://www.muallim.edu.az/arxiv/2007/n22/ardi7.html which google translate tells me includes this passage &quot;The poet, who worked very hard in the field of translating poetry from German and was fanatically attached to this field, translated and published the story &quot;Hars' Journey&quot; by one of the German classical poets H. Heine and the lyric poems in this story of up to a hundred verses, the famous divan &quot;West-East&quot; by W. Goethe, the verse drama &quot;Nathan the Wise&quot; by E. Lessing, which is considered the pearl of German dramaturgy, F. Schiller's &quot;Ballads&quot;, as well as the tragedy &quot;Emilia Galotti&quot; by E. Lessing, the comedy &quot;Minna von Barnhell&quot;, the drama &quot;Chalk Cross&quot; by B. Brecht, and St. Swayge's &quot;Novels&quot; from the original into our language.&quot; - so it looks like that was a translation from Azerbaijani and referred to that language. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. (with edit conflict) Agree that it looks like a self-promotional project of Hamid Arzulu. Difficult to find any serious information about him which does not originate from Wikimedia sites or from some social networking sites. The source that he gave about himself in the Wikipedia article (&quot;Historicity in creative work Hamid Arzulu&quot;, by H.Eyvazlı. &quot;School&quot; publishing house. 2003) cannot be found anywhere. The Wikipedia article should probably be nominated for deletion too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*:That source is listed on https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C9%99mid_Arzulu as &quot;Həmid Arzulunun yaradıcılığında tarixilik&quot;, monoqrafiya. H.Eyvazlı. &quot;Məktəb&quot; nəşr. 2003&quot; though google finds nothing else. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*::That article was also founded by Hamid Arzulu himself. I suspect he has made the source up. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
* {{vd}} In general these should be uploaded as scans to Commons first and go through OTRS / or have been originally published with the license first. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 19:57, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee (1810).pdf]], [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee.pdf]] and [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee; Being, The Fundamental Laws, and a Selections from the Supplementary Statutes, of the Penal Code of China.djvu]]==
{{closed/s|[[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee.pdf]] deleted as duplicate of [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee; Being, The Fundamental Laws, and a Selections from the Supplementary Statutes, of the Penal Code of China.djvu]]; [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee (1810).pdf]] kept as not the same as the other two}}These are all the same work; we only need one. I think the third copy should be kept; both the first and third copies have about the same amount of work complete. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:The first one includes an errata sheet and seems to have more pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:2 and 3 are the same, and 2 should go. But 1 is distinct: the layout is a bit different, and as mentioned by Beardo it has more pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:06, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Colloquia familiaria et Encomium moriae - Desiderius Erasmus.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as out of scope (not in english)}}
A work in Latin, not English. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Gille dubh ciar-dhubh.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as out of scope (not in english, exported to mul)}}
Wrong language (it's Gaelic, so should go on multilingual wikisource). See [[WS:Scriptorium#Work in Gaelic]].[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 03:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:We need to move this to multilingual wikisource first (or at least all the transcribed pages) - any idea how to do that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:20, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
::I don't know an automated way to do it, but since it consists of just six pages, it seems like a simple copy-paste job would be pretty quick. I don't think preserving the version history is important, because I don't believe editors own any copyright over efforts to faithfully transcribe something (there is no creative/derivative component of the work). But even if I'm wrong, surely we could just get explicit agreement from the three editors who seem to have worked on it? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:27, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I think we can fairly straightfowardly get a mulws importer to take them in with [[:mul:Special:Import]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
:Imported to [[:mul:]] —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::OK, so now the index and pages here can be deleted. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:58, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways, 11th Edition/styles.css]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedied, since there's no file of this name, and it appears to thus have been created in error (with no memory of its creation even by the original creator of the style sheet).}}
There doesn't seem to have ever been an index of that name. The closest, [[Index:Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways, 11th Edition (December 2023).pdf]] has its own styles page. The creator does not recall creating this styles page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:11, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Soft redirect categories now empty ==
{{closed/s|Deleted: empty maintenance categories that will never contain pages again}}
As the categories [[:Category:Soft redirects/March 2024]], [[:Category:Soft redirects/October 2024]], [[:Category:Soft redirects/November 2024]] and [[:Category:Soft redirects/December 2024]] are now empty, should they be speedy deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

:December 2024 shouldn't be empty, unless there was nothing ever in it. The pages in these categories should be there for three months before deletion. So, for December, through to end of March. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] - where does it say three months ? {{tl|Dated soft redirect}} says &quot;Pages with these templates are subject to deletion after about 2 months&quot;, and [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] also mentions &quot;older redirects tagged with &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:dated soft redirect|&quot;[[new title]]&quot;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for at least two months&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 12:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I wasn't aware that the 3 months weren't documented. When TalBot was doing this task, it was always 3 months; anything less than that having been found to be too short a period of time for external sites to update their links. I've no idea if that is still a valid time period with link rot continuing to be a problem in RL. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 02:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::I know nothing about that. But the two pages that I linked both say two months, and have done for more than ten years. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:The Leveller movement&amp;#59; a study in the history and political theory of the English Great Civil War (IA levellermovement01peas).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as redundant to [[Index:The Leveller movement; a study in the history and political theory of the English Great Civil War (IA levellermovement01peas).djvu]]  (some of the proofread pages were moved to the djvu)}}
This .pdf copy is redundant to [[Index:The Leveller movement; a study in the history and political theory of the English Great Civil War (IA levellermovement01peas).djvu]].

The pages up to 18 should be moved from the .pdf to .djvu and the rest deleted, I assume. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:WiktGray]] ==
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This template, created in 2009, does exactly the same thing as {{tl|wikt}}, except it makes the word {{color|dimgray|dimgray}}. As this template is intended to be used in running text, the end effect (besides the links) is that a word that wasn't gray in the source is made gray, which makes it harder to read. {{tl|WiktGray}} and its redirects should I think be redirected to {{tl|wikt}}, to remove the color (it would still have the blue link color, but at least that doesn't make it harder to read). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The War of the Worlds (1898)/Book 2/Chapter 10]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as not part of this edition of the work}}
This chapter (the epilogue) did not exist yet in 1898, and it's not in the scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like this should have been deleted when the early version was replaced by the scan-backed one. Can't it be speedied ? If not, I also say {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::This does not qualify for any of our speedy criteria. But I agree that we should {{vd}} --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:37, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} It is redundant to [[The Works of H. G. Wells (Atlantic Edition)/The War of the Worlds/Chapter 27]].   [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 19:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} it's not exactly the same text, which is why I brought it here instead of G4'ing it: Heat-Rays vs Heat-Ray (3rd paragraph), disk vs disc (7th par &amp; 8th par), abiding-place vs abiding place (8th par), seed bed vs seed-bed (10th par), butcher boy vs butcher-boy (11th par), flower beds vs flower-beds (12th par), sight-seers vs sightseers (12th), ... vs . . . . (12th). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Of course, as we don't know the original source, we don't know if they are differences in the edition or errors in transcription.
:::It looks as if our text was originally taken from Project Gutenberg which doesn't say which version they used. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} A chapter is not redundant simply because that chapter appears in a different edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::No - but isn't a copy taken from Gutenberg redundant to a scan-backed version ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Our criteria define redundant as: &quot;Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot;  Your definition is not included in the criteria, since a copy known to be from Gutenberg is not &quot;unsourced&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::The version we have now is orphaned because of the deletion, there is no indication that it currently is sourced from Gutenberg so it is currently unsourced. And if we want to move to a new separate Gutenberg edition, that is not permissible as a single chapter would clearly count as an extract anyways. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Not because of a deletion, but because of a rolling replacement of the previous text with a different edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:14, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Key to the Exercises in Adler&amp;#39;s Grammar/Lesson 4]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}
This seems to be an incomplete and incorrect page. This is not linked from the parent work - the actual linked pages from this work are of the form ''Dictata ##'', not ''Lesson''; the previous and next aren't correct and the link to the lesson in the main work is the wrong number. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
: We should consider deleting the entire work as a matter of fact. The structure of the transcription is confusing (why are some &quot;Dictata&quot; and some &quot;Lesson&quot;?), it's not scan-backed, it's incomplete, and it takes liberties that are highly unoriginal to the original work's content (&quot;Back to the exercise&quot; links within the transcription space). It's sus to say the least. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::There seem to be two parallel works - [[A Practical Grammar of the Latin Language]] which, according to the talk page is based on a book at Google Books (though that note seems to have been added later) and has the Lessons - though see [[A Practical Grammar of the Latin Language/Changelog]] and [[Key to the Exercises in Adler's Grammar]] which has the Dictata - I don't know if that is from the same book or what. 
::As you say, highly suspect. They seem to have been trying to do something that wikisource is not intended for. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::They do seem to be two books - https://archive.org/details/practicalgrammar00adle and https://archive.org/details/keytoexercisesco00adle -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:16, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So, in the end, what exactly should be deleted? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Certainly that one page which I nominated. That appears to be a mistake.
:::::Nothing else has been nominated yet, as far as I know. I don't know whether it is better to leave the rest in the hope that someone does move them to scan-backed version, or just clear the lot. If the latter, those will need their own nominations, surely ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:09, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Folk-lore of the Holy Land ==

{{closed/s|Speedied: [[Folk-lore of the Holy Land/Dedication/Introduction/Introduction]] was obviously incorrect (and I also found [[Folk-lore of the Holy Land/Dedication/Introduction]] while I was at it). [[Folk-lore of the Holy Land/Dedication]] was both a double transclusion (it was also on the front matter page) and unnecessary in this case since 1. the dedication didn't have its own title in the original book, and 2. it was placed before the TOC, so should be parsed as part of the front matter.}}
* [[Folk-lore of the Holy Land/Dedication/Introduction/Introduction]] is an obviously wrong page name.
* [[Folk-lore of the Holy Land/Dedication]] is unnecessary — the dedication is super short and can be put on the main page.
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 02:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:The autocrat of the breakfast-table (1858).djvu]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as lesser-quality duplicate of [[Index:The Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table (1858) Holmes.djvu]]}}
This copy is marked as having pages missing, and links to a complete copy at [[Index:The Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table (1858) Holmes.djvu]].

There is no point keeping this faulty index - delete it and the associated pages. -- {{unsigned|Beardo}}
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:Oops - sorry. I get confused about when the signature is added automatically and when it isn't. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 12:50, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Ioram na truaighe, le Issachari M'Aula do Thighearna Assinn.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedied per [[WS:CSD#A1]]: out-of-scope (not in english) and ported to mul}}
Not in English, already ported (and all its pages) to [[:mul:]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Indeed, {{vd}}. I wonder if there any more of these lurking. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:24, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:4 songs (1).pdf]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted as duplicate}}This is the same edition as [[Index:4 songs (2).pdf]], but with a worse scan. Both indexes have been transcluded and validated. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 17:22, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:52, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:A chía stand during Holy Week]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as translation without scan-backed original}}
Wikisource translation not based on a scan supported original language work present on the appropriate language wiki, as required by [[WS:T]]. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:44, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:Though that only actually became policy in February this year. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, and the policy states that the grandfather rule applies only for works added before July 2013. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:52, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Because that was supposed to have been made policy in 2013. But it wasn't. I don't think we should be using the mess up that was made with that to justify retrospectively applying something as policy when it wasn't.
::::Although ''de iure'' adopted in February this year, it had already been treated as ''de facto'' policy for many years, with many post-2013 works having been deleted based on this rule, and the February vote just confirmed the status without any changes, the grandfather rule included. Although during the vote some people suggested some modifications (none of which was accepted), modification of the grandfather rule was not discussed at all, and so was accepted in the original form. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:::However, in [[:es:Discusión:Un puesto de chía en Semana Santa]], the original creator wrote:
::::&quot;== Referencias ==
::::*Secretaría de Educación del Gobierno del Estado de Coahuila (Entidad pública del gobierno de México).
::::https://web.seducoahuila.gob.mx/biblioweb/upload/DosRelatos.pdf
::::*Biblioteca digital del Instituto Latinoamericano de la Comunicación Educativa (Organismo público internacional con sede en México).
::::http://bibliotecadigital.ilce.edu.mx 
:::Though the first seems to be a second hand transcription and I can't see the work in the second. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:01, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
::::https://www.google.com/books/edition/El_museo_mexicano_o_miscel%C3%A1nea_de_ameni/h7vX10wQ9A8C seems to be the original publication. You might be able to find a better scan. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 14:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Iola Leroy, or, Shadows uplifted (IA lolaleroyshadow00harprich).pdf]] and [[Index:Poems on miscellaneous subjects (IA poemsonmiscellan00harp).pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as duplicates}}
These are duplicates of [[Index:Iola Leroy.djvu]] and [[Index:Poems on Miscellaneous Subjects (Harper, 1857).djvu]] respectively. Regarding Iola Leroy, I switched from pdf to djvu to get better ocr. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 02:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Character of Capaneus]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as an extract}}
Early addition to Wikisource with the only source information given as: As it appeared in the 860 &quot;Supplices of Euripides&quot;, and was translated in 1843 by William P. Grant.

I assume the date of 860 refers to the date of a particular manuscript copy, but the &quot;Supplices of Euripides&quot; would be [[Suppliants (Euripides)]], which is a surviving tragedy of Euripides.  That makes this an excerpt from a known play, at the least, and likely an excerpt from whatever source William P. Grant published, assuming that the containing work was not published by someone else.

Since I cannot locate the publication or information concerning the translator; and since this appears to be a short excerpt either from the full play or whatever the original publication was, this item must be regarded as an unsourced excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:58, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}}, it appears to be part of &quot;Beauties of the Grecian Drama&quot; from ''The Metropolitan'' 1836, so an excerpt. The 860 is the line number. [[The Plays of Euripides (Coleridge)/The Suppliants#213]] is the relevant section. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 22:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::How strange - I wonder why they bothered extracting such a small part. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:UKActDisclaimer]] ==
{{closed/s|Speedying per [[WS:CSD#G7]] (author request)}}
All of our transcriptions are, as the template says, &quot;NOT an official transcription&quot; and not &quot;an authoritative version of legislation as it is currently in force&quot; anywhere.

So, [[Wikisource:General disclaimer]] already covers this thoroughly: &quot;We cannot guarantee (in any way whatsoever) the validity of the documents found here. In particular, medical or '''legal texts''' on Wikisource may be incorrect or out of date.&quot;

We also host a lot of legal texts from all kinds of countries and jurisdictions, and we don't have disclaimer templates for those. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:14, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
: Noting here that [[Template:Uksi/disclaimer]] also exists, and I think that template seems redundant as well, but at least it's been placed in the header traditionally while placing the disclaimer at the bottom of a transcription with the PD tag seems undesirable. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:21, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
:Note: this template is recent, having been created in October by @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]], and is only used on two works. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
::How do you tell how many works it is used on ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:11, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Through [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:UKActDisclaimer]]. (the two uses have now been removed) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Since the recent lua error, &quot;What links here&quot; often does not show everything that does link. I don't know whether it would in this case. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::The lua error was on indexes, and this template was used on mainspace pages, so I think that WLH would show them. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:00, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:I'm totally cool with removing these templates. I created [[Template:UKActDisclaimer]] expecting it would be useful/needed due to the existence of [[Template:Uksi/disclaimer]]. There are certain jurisdictions ([[Template:OireachtasPSI|Ireland]] &amp; [[Template:Legislation-CAGov|Canada]]) which require explicit disclaimer language regarding legislation reproduction, but those are appropriately integrated into the license/PD tag. I presume @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], the creator of [[Template:Uksi/disclaimer]], is accepting as well as they have moved it to their user sandbox. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:34, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Category:Poems in Weird Tales]] ==

{{closed/s|Kept, for now. No consensus to delete—the consensus here now seems unilaterally geared towards discussing a policy change centrally ''before'' a deletion happens. That discussion should probably be at the [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]], but I'm ending the discussion here regardless to hopefully drive the politics and meta-politics of all of this into a more appropriate forum.}}
This is a work-based category, and therefore qualifies for speedy deletion.  However, this is best done be someone with bot or automation, since there are 99 items in the category. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
: [[:Category:Novellas in Weird Tales]] also. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I am curious about the speedy deletion component. I am trying to grasp the reasoning behind SD rule #8, the relevant portion of which states: &quot;Work-based categories: Categories solely intended to contain pages within a particular work (instead, provide a table of contents on the work's main page).&quot; In a case such as this, where the &quot;work&quot; is a multi-year periodical and the subset is not made readily apparent in a table of contents (which would not typically help the reader easily find all poems or all novallas within a relatively large collection), it seems to me there is great value. I can understand why &quot;works published in Weird Tales&quot; would be redundant of a well-structured TOC, but these categories add new information that isn't readily available through the TOC. The other portion of rule #8 explicitly identifies an exception in the case of authors, which it seems to me respects this principle: &quot;There are exceptions for categories where the person's name signifies an administration (the administration associated with a specific US president), regnal period (the government of a given British monarch), or similar, which are not subject to speedy deletion under this criterion.&quot; That example seems analogous to the present case, since the categories carry information that would not be readily available elsewhere. So I'm not sure I understand the reasoning that would make these particular categories speedy-able. Could you elaborate? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 22:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::We have a search function available that permits searching within a work. I fail to understand how works in the form of a poem are analogous to a government's administration.  The exception is made because the governing individual is not actually the author in most cases, but is used to refer to edicts made under a specific administration.  How is &quot;poem&quot; analogous to that? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::As of now, [[:Category:Poems in Weird Tales]] contains 99 works. Are you suggesting there is a search string that would produce the same (or even roughly similar) list? If so, I'd like to know what it is, I haven't been able to come up with one. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 23:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::OK, I think I've figured out what I was missing, enough to inform my !vote. If, as is proposed, we were to simply ''delete'' the category from all 99 pages, we would lose the information that these items are ''poems'' (while retaining, by virtue of the naming convention, the information that they were published in ''Weird Tales''). Works like [[Weird Tales/Volume 7/Issue 2/Spleen|this one]] are not categorized as poems, apart from the category in question. (As I hope is clear from this comment, I was not making a claim comparing the provenance of government works to the literary form of poetry, so I don't really know how to answer that question.) [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
&lt;s&gt;: '''Replace''' with [[:Category:Poems]] or [[:Category:Modern poetry]].&lt;/s&gt; To delete without doing so would eliminate useful metadata, namely the classification of these works as poems. (Worth noting, some of these works, such as [[Weird Tales/Volume 29/Issue 2/Song of the Necromancer]], are already so classified.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:39, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:: (And if that is the desired outcome, I'm happy to do it.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 02:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::All works on Wikisource ought to be categorized by form.  The deletion proposal is only for the Category based on the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Wikidata is designed with searches like this in mind.  Using their tools, you should be able to set a request for items published in Weird Tales that are poems, provided the data has been entered into Wikidata. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::: &quot;All works on Wikisource ought to be categorized by form&quot; -- yes. And all works currently in the categories mentioned ''are'' so categorized. Some of them, ''only by virtue of the category you propose to remove.'' Which is why it is important to ''change'' the category, as opposed to simply removing it. Especially for a (semi-) automated task. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::: With regard to Wikidata, if the categories are ''removed'', even Wikidata will lack the underlying data that would enable such a search. The fact that they are poems will no longer be preserved in any structured way. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::: [edit conflict] It would, admittedly, be nice to be able to do a search based on periodical without having to go all the way to Wikidata. As far as I remember, the way to do this on Wikidata is to use SQL-like queries, which can be difficult for non-technical users. So, I don't think the category [[:Category:Poems in Weird Tales]] is needed, ''but'' I wish there was an easier way to search a work through categories like that on Wikisource itself. I could've sworn [[Special:WhatLinksHere]] could do something like this, but I guess not. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Yeah, that's the thing that initially gave me pause. The speedy deletion edict cited suggests that a table of contents can serve the same function, which as far as I can tell is prohibitively impractical in this instance. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} Noting here that there seem to be four work-based categories in [[:Category:Poems in periodicals]], and also [[:Category:Novellas in Weird Tales]], so maybe we need to expand the scope of this discussion to lay a more consistent precedent. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Peteforsyth}} I think that EP is saying that replace the category with something else is fine, but that we need to delete the category ''page'', itself, as well as removing all instances of it being used (though their uses can be replaced with some other categories at any point). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Sure, and that would be fine. I come to this from the perspective of trying to implement something that was presented as a request for speedy but complex action, i.e. removing the category tag from the individual pages. In order to implement it I need to know precisely what I'm doing, and I'm finding that simply performing the task would remove date from Wikisource, which I'm loathe to do. I don't object to the overall goal, but I don't want to cause harm that was unintended (by me, EP, or anyone else) in the process. Maybe I'm coming across as tendentious, but my desire is to fulfill the task requested. To do so, precision is important. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Just checking back on this one. It seems to me like we used a lot of words to ultimately arrive at compatible positions, but I want to make sure you agree before acting on this request. Concisely: '''Shall I run a process to delete the relevant categories, while replacing with a parent category if it's not present?''' I'm happy to do so with all the subcategories mentioned by SnowyCinema. I'm inclined to use [[:Category:Poems]] rather than [[:Category:Modern poetry]], since some (like the Baudelaire poem linked above) were published too early to be classified as &quot;modern.&quot; At worst, this approach might result in some cases of slight overcategorization. But IMO this is much better than losing, for others, the structural information that they are poems (i.e., better than the consequences of simple deletion). -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 22:38, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{vk}} until a wider discussion on the topic, determining what is possible, takes place at Scriptorium. The current practice is that periodicals are taken a bit differently than other works, and works included in periodicals have always been a subject of categorization inside the periodical, see e. g. [[:Category:Articles in Popular Science Monthly]]. E. g. [[:Category:Fables in Popular Science Monthly]], [[:Category:Speeches in Popular Science Monthly]] or [[:Category:Lectures in Popular Science Monthly]] have existed since 2015. I do not mean that old categories cannot be deleted, I just want to point out that this practice is very long and quite widespread (I have also created [[:Category:Poems in The Czechoslovak Review]] quite a long time ago) and so to change it we need a wider discussion about our policy towards this first. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
::Popular Science Monthly has often been an outlier on issues.  Is there some reason the issue cannot be resolved with the current discussion? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::This potential change in the practice would have quite a large impact so it should be discussed properly. The result of the discussion may influence our policy. Discussions at Scriptorium are generally followed by more people than the discussions here so the input from contributors is likely to be bigger there. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 16:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
: {{vk}} per Jan K. above. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:08, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
:All works should be categorized by base form, regardless of other categorization.  The fact that a work is &quot;Modern poetry&quot; does not mean it shouldn't be categorized in &quot;Poems&quot;.  Commons categorizes using the &quot;plinko&quot; method, where an item trickles down to the lowest possible location in the category tree and is removed from all parent categories.  Here, we retain the top category for form, date, and (where applicable) topic, even when other more specific categories are applied. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you. I wasn't aware of this difference, and indeed I've always assumed that the approach taken on enwp, meta, commons etc was in force here as well. (I have trouble finding a policy page fleshing this out, or about categories at all. I do see that [[Help:Categories]] covers this concept though.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 07:11, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

'''''NOTE:''''' There is a general discussion of whether and when work-based categories should be used at [[Wikisource_talk:Deletion_policy#Work-based_categories]]. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:02, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:That's not the best place for that discussion.  As mentioned above, a general discussion should happen in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
:: A curious perspective. The talk page for a certain policy seems the most germane place for a question about said policy, and no change has been formally proposed. Two actions I'd urge you to consider: (1) If you feel we are ready for a policy proposal (or anything else best suited to Scriptorium), why not just start a discussion there? (2) If you feel that I (or anyone else) has acted erroneously in terms of process, why not take that up in user talk, rather than taking up other users' attention to a procedural issue that could be easily addressed by a simple consensus between yourself and the offending user? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 00:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
:::On Wikipedia and Commons, that is true.  But on Wikisource the community has regularly pushed for consolidation of discussion to fewer pages, and favoring the Scriptorium for all but Deletion and Copyright discussion.  In answer to your corollary questions: I do not believe in spreading a single discussion over multiple pages.  You announced a spread of the discussion to additional pages, and I responded to that announcement. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:10, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Constitution of the Republic of Turkey (1961)]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as an OCR dump}}
Unformatted raw OCR. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:54, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, that is a mess. {{vd}} (And I wonder if that translation is public domain anyway. The linked source says &quot;Reproduced with the permission of ...&quot; implying that it is not copyright-free. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Author:Guillermo Prieto]] ==
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I can't find evidence of works in english, or works that have been translated. After the recent deletion of a user translation of a work without a scan-backed original, which was the only listed work, it looks like this author has no works in scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{vk}}. His correspondence is translated in here {{GBS|gLcTAAAAYAAJ}}. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 16:13, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for finding that! As we now have proof author has works in scope, '''withdrawing'''. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:15, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Table of Government Orders]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as incomplete}}
Incomplete, seemingly stalled, not scan backed, and not subject to OGL as claimed as the volume pre-dates it. Crown copyright not yet expired. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:47, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am fine with deleting as incomplete / no content, unsourced. The CV discussion is broader, e.g. it may have been posted here, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ , the national archives, etc. elsewhere under the OGL which does allow retroactive licensing but we can dig into the CV discussion if someone provides a source. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 16:24, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete per criteria 7 of WS:CSD'''. It is not clear whether there is any other possible grounds for deletion. These are either complete works or user pages. It has not been demonstrated that all the material does not fall under the rule in ''Georgia v. Public.Resource.Org, Inc.'' As far as I can remember the OGL was applied to all these printed publications ''at the time'' when they were added to Wikisource. I do not have time to check whether that licence has been revoked since then for these particular documents. (I know, for example, that some government departments have licenced their websites under the OGL and then purported to revoke the licence in relation to content already licenced). I am coming round to the viewpoint that the OGL is of limited value because the government cannot be trusted not to purport to revoke it. I however do not want to be pestered about these pages again. I would therefore rather delete them on grounds that I have requested it to save further demands on my time. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 15:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Statutes in Force]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}
Stalled, project, Not scan backed , unclear license, the volumes pre-date OGL, but are mostly post 1974. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:55, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

See also. :
*[[Statutes in Force/Guide to the Edition/File divider]]
*[[Statutes in Force/Guide to the Edition/1 June 1972]]
*[[Statutes in Force/Guide to the Edition/1 August 1981]]
*[[Statutes in Force/Guide to the Edition/1 September 1983]]
*[[Statutes in Force/Guide to the Edition/1 November 1984]]
*[[Statutes in Force/Binder]]
*[[User:James500/Chronological Table of the Statutes ]]
*[[User:James500/Index to Government Orders ]]
*[[User:James500/Index to the Statutes]]

[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:55, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:James500|James500]]: would you object to the blanking of the three above user pages? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

*'''Speedy delete per criteria 7 of WS:CSD'''. It is not clear whether there is any other possible grounds for deletion. These are either complete works or user pages. It has not been demonstrated that all the material does not fall under the rule in ''Georgia v. Public.Resource.Org, Inc.'' As far as I can remember the OGL was applied to all these printed publications ''at the time'' when they were added to Wikisource. I do not have time to check whether that licence has been revoked since then for these particular documents. (I know, for example, that some government departments have licenced their websites under the OGL and then purported to revoke the licence in relation to content already licenced). I am coming round to the viewpoint that the OGL is of limited value because the government cannot be trusted not to purport to revoke it. I however do not want to be pestered about these pages again. I would therefore rather delete them on grounds that I have requested it to save further demands on my time. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 15:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
*:For the avoidance of doubt, as far as I can remember, the 2011 edition of the ''Chronological Table of the Statutes'' (which is what was reproduced here) actually had the OGL printed on it, and I mean actually printed on one of the frontmatter pages at the front of the book inside the covers. However, I cannot guarantee they have not revoked the licence since then, so I think it is not worth bothering with. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 15:58, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
*:Google has a public domain scan of the 1961 edition of the &quot;Guide to Government Orders&quot;: [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zpBLAQAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PP5#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false]. This should be uploaded to replace the incomplete Table and Index of Government Orders, as it is an earlier edition of the same book. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 16:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[História da Literatura Ocidental]] ==
{{closed/s|Already ported to ptws and speedy-deleted}}
(and its subpages), as it's in portuguese. And then the author page itself, [[Author:Otto Maria Carpeaux]], as having no works in scope (can't find translations of any of his works into english). (@[[User:Gr4yt3x|Gr4yt3x]]) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} I found only a single work in English, a translation published in 2001, so not eligible to be hosted here for decades. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
:It seems this has already been deleted, since it was never tagged as being under discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, and they are now in the portuguese wikisource. I guess that the user realised he was in the wrong place. Though I wonder whether they accept an author page which is more like a wikipedia page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:16, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, damn it, it's my bad for the tagging. First I was going to bring it to CV, but then I found out that apparently (according to WP) it was freely licensed, so I moved it here, and in the moving I mixed up. Sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Not having noticed that it was brought here, I speedied it yesterday, because I had a look at the user's global contributions and saw that they moved it to Portuguese WS, and so I came to the same conclusion as Beardo above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] - not that it matters now, but I don't how that would have been public domain. @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]] - yes, I saw your comment on the deletion notice. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The American Language]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Moved to [[The American Language (Bartleby)]], to make way for disambiguation.}}
Proposing deletion of this copy of the 2nd edition, which is second-hand copy-paste from the Bartleby website.  We have scan-backed editions in progress [[Index:The American language; an inquiry into the development of English in the United States (IA americanlanguage00menc 0).pdf|at this Index]] and [[Index:The American Language.djvu|also here]] (for two different editions).  The page once deleted, should be used to disambiguate the several editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''—“in progress” is all I needed to hear. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:11, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*: Neither Index is for the same edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:12, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*:*The copy you want to delete is complete. The copy with which you want to replace it is not complete. Therefore, I oppose the deletion. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 23:01, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Then '''where''' should we keep this copy of the second edition, which is not the same edition as ''either'' transcription project? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*The usual course is to move it to [[The American Language (unsourced)]], which would be listed at [[The American Language]] along with those two editions you have mentioned. This is always what happens, so far as I know. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:Surely in this case, where we know the date and edition, &quot;The American Language (1921)&quot; or &quot;The American Language (second edition)&quot; ? Then, when we have a proper scanned-backed version of this edition, that can replace the second-hand copy. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:48, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*::For Gutenberg texts I have seen them placed under (unsourced), under (YYYY) and under (Gutenberg). But yes the typical procedure is either move the whole text and then delete when we have a complete proofed scan-backed edition (as redundant) or migrate-in-parts as they are done (if we are scan-backing using an &quot;equivalent&quot; edition). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 06:00, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:: &lt;s&gt;'''Keep but move'''&lt;/s&gt; for now, to one of the destinations listed above, without prejudice for deleting it once one or more scan backed alternatives are ready. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
:Further notes: I've looked more critically at this edition, and it's clearly a Bartleby edition, not the second edition, because the work has been heavily modified from the second edition.  Chapter headings and section headings have been stripped from the entire work.  There are also many character copy-paste errors, as can been seen throughout [[The American Language/Chapter 3]], e.g. &quot;A footnote says that the essay is &amp;#147;part of a chapter crowded out of A Tramp Abroad.&amp;#148;&quot;  Given this new information, do we still keep it?  It's not a published edition, except insofar as the Bartleby site published their own edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
::Ah. I see what you mean. They are a real mess - not even properly reflecting the source. Yes, I'll agree {{vd}} for that and all the sub-pages. Then the main page can be made a disambiguation page for the two editions that are in progress ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: That seems like worthwhile info. The existing scans both look within reach of being fully proofread. Is there one you (or anyone else reading this) prefer over the other? If so I'll work on proofreading it. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I have no preference.  The first edition is closer to being done, but the third edition is more useful and is in the Monthly Challenge. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:12, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::I've reviewed them more closely myself now, and I agree, the one you nominated should be {{vd}}d to make way for a {{tl|versions}} page. - [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Template:User female]] &amp; [[:Template:User male]] ==
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Just created.  Wikisource has long had a culture of not proliferating Wikipedia-style user box templates.  If that culture is to change, it should first be discussed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:31, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
: Hmmm... I'd be inclined to delete userboxes generally, but what if this one's a bit useful (theoretically)? I mean, there are gender ''settings'', but they're extremely difficult to find if you're not technically-inclined.
: For some context, users can fix their preferred pronouns in [[Special:Preferences]]. By default, the settings place you as gender-neutral, but you can fix it later so the site refers to you as &quot;he&quot; or &quot;she&quot; instead. The settings say below the gendered options:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The software uses its value to address you and to mention you to others using the appropriate grammatical gender. This information will be public.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
: I've been using [[User:SnowyCinema/common.js|some JavaScript code]] (that I copied from Wiktionary) over several wikis for nearly a decade, which allows me to see the gender settings of any user (along with many other things like user roles, age of account, number of edits, etc.) on the fly. What this code does is it calls the MediaWiki API every time I visit a user page, and pulls a data object for that user. This object includes things like &lt;code&gt;user.gender&lt;/code&gt;, the setting that people enable in their preferences for this very reason.
: But without using an API call, I ''genuinely don't know how'' (after using MediaWiki consistently for over 10 years) to actually see a user's gender preferences. I've never even seen &quot;the software refer to you as a gender&quot; before that I can remember. In all practical purposes, the gender feature seems completely hidden from view unless you access it through an API call (or some other minor edge case I'm not aware of).
: '''But on the contrary''' I do get that it doesn't matter whether you're a guy or a girl or somewhere in between in order to edit a wiki. Gender should be completely irrelevant to basically everything (and if it was made relevant as a status symbol that would be an obvious issue politically speaking). But some users do care about references to their gender. So, in the interest of keeping away from situations like &quot;You referred to me as ''he'' and I'm actually a ''she''&quot; or vice versa, what would be the easiest way to prevent that from happening? The gender preferences, in my view, don't do the trick unless the referrer knows how to access an API on the fly (a highly unlikely endeavor for most users), so in this case, a gender userbox ''might'' be an easy shortcut. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:04, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::The fact that these templates are strictly binary, and have built in &quot;humor&quot; settings that chastise readers, are part of why I nominated them.  I did also want to see what others think about a gender-identifying user box for the project.  If there is a community desire to have some such box, we could design one that does a better job, but I think the presence (or absence) of such a box on user pages would become more politics and distraction than beneficial to Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:30, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::(The GENDER magic word can be used to fetch a user's gender settings like this: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GENDER:username|text that should be shown if user put &quot;he&quot; in their preferences|text that should be shown if user put &quot;she&quot;|default}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. see [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Gender]) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:37, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: There is [[:w:Template:Gender|Template:Gender]] on Wikipedia, which calls {&lt;!----&gt;{GENDER:}} on a given User: to return one of three options; however, we do not have an equivalent template. I agree with EncycloPetey that we should becoming more like Wikipedia. {{unsigned|TE(æ)A,ea.}}

:'''neutral''' In general I have tended to &quot;live and let live&quot; with regard to userboxes and other ephemera on User pages. The only time I wander onto someone's User: page is when I'm doing the PotM awards (which are userboxes) and then I will see a range of userboxes from none to several. If someone wants to sprinkle their User page with them, then fine, but I won't be joining in. My concern comes when there is a maintenance burden, or a userbox is causing problems—technical or against the Universal Code of Conduct. I agree that there must be a better way of choosing to express one's gender than this pair of userboxes with a &quot;humour&quot; setting. But, in the meantime, I don't see an immediate problem with a wikisourceror electing to use one of these. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:48, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Canzoniere]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Long abandoned, incomplete text.  Poems without formatting, all mis-titled and mis-numbered.}}
This is an incomplete text from 2008 that identifies no source.  At first glance, the source appears (indirectly) to be the [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/17650/17650-h/17650-h.htm Gutenberg edition] of ''The Sonnets, Triumph, and Other Poems of Petrarch'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/sonnetstriumphso00petrrich}}.  Of the 366 individual poems in the volume, only 26 have been transcribed.

'''However''', huge chunks of content have been ''removed'', such as the 100 page &quot;Life of Petrarch&quot;; ''formatting'' has not been preserved; '''and''' all of the poems have been ''renumbered / retitled''.  For example: the &quot;Poem I&quot; of our copy is &quot;Sonnet I&quot; in the original; our &quot;Poem XX&quot; is &quot;Sonnet XVIII&quot; in the original; our &quot;Poem XXXVII&quot; is &quot;Canzone IV&quot; in the original; and our &quot;Poem CXXI&quot; is &quot;Madrigale IV&quot; in the original.

With so little content transcribed, and with huge alterations from the original text, including even the published title of the volume and relabeling of all of the individual components, this would be better discarded and started fresh via transcription. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
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:(Process note, for some reason my browser did not reflect that this discussion had been started, so I did so [[special:diff/14975982|here]]. But now that I read the reasoning above, I'll answer differently.)
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:I initially encountered this while working through a backlog of insufficiently sourced pages, and I came to more or less the same conclusion as EncycloPetey about its provenance. The ''timeline'' from the introduction is included, and I find no significant variance, so that further suggests that the ''Sonnets, Triumphs an Other...'' book is the source. I uploaded it and started transcriptions here: [[Index:The Sonnets, Triumphs, and Other Poems - Petrarca, Campbell.djvu]]
:I had not noticed the numbering problem. That seems substantial, so I agree that starting fresh might be the best course.
:However, the term &quot;[[w:en:Il Canzoniere]]&quot; is the title commonly applied to at least some of the poems included in the Campbell book. Since Wikisource has had a live link for this famous work since 2008, I would urge that we '''redirect''' the page to an in-progress transcription of the Campbell book, rather than fully deleting. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 22:14, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[A History of the Japanese People]] ==
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Secondhand transcription from Gutenberg. Such transcriptions are not accepted per [[WS:WWI#Second-hand transcriptions]]. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:&lt;s&gt;{{vd}} This is nothing more than a redlinked table of contents.  Nothing seems to actually be transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
::I am going to stop transcribing the work. Deleteting them for not transcribing it is fine. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 09:28, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::: {{vk}} changing my vote since transcription and transclusion have begun. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} For the closing admin: The &quot;Appendices&quot; do not link to subpages, but to separate locations. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} Now the transcription can be made at [[Index:A History of the Japanese People by Francis Brinkley, c1915.djvu]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::By the way - the template {{tl|project gutenberg}} doesn't make it clear that such works are no longer acceptable - I wonder if it would be possible to have stronger wording when placed on a recently created work ? Or does that make it too complicated ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I've just reviewed the tools we have, and no, I don't think there's a lua/wikitext way of using the age of the current page. Perhaps we should split that template, with one clearly saying &quot;We're letting this stay because it's been here for a while&quot; at e.g. {{tl|old project gutenberg}}, and one at {{tl|project gutenberg}} that explicitly says &quot;This is a new work from PG, and as such is out of scope and going to be deleted&quot;, including a {{tlx|sdelete|G5}}. If we want to do that, the review and migration of the currently [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Project Gutenberg|246]] uses would be doable. Also, whatever we do to {{tl|project gutenberg}} should also be done to {{tl|second-hand}}, the parent template (which only has 100 other uses). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:27, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Perhaps require a parameter &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{project gutenberg|created=DATE}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;, and error if the date is missing or too recent? That way we've also got documentation for when these works were imported. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 21:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Do we want to favor the date of first creation?  Or the date of completion?  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:51, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::I imagine either would work, but the date of creation is easier to look up. The effect should be the same either way. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 19:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]] uploaded a PD scan ([[Index:A History of the Japanese People by Francis Brinkley, c1915.djvu]]) and I have restarted transcribing by based on the scan, may I ask when should I recreate the book? When all the transcribing is done? [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 09:50, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
::Not necessarily. In fact you can start transcluding the pages to the mainspace in any phase of the work, some people prefer doing it only after all pages have been transcribed, others do it continuously, chapter by chapter, as they go along. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Okay, in this case, I would perfer the latter, so {{vk}}. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 13:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vk}} after scanbacking process started. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Anglo-Japanese Agreement (1905)]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Re-created as redirect to scan-backed transcription.}}
Another secondhand transcription from Gutenberg, as above. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{comment}}: I have changed the transcription source from the [https://archive.org/details/historyofjapanes00briniala/page/736/mode/2up InternetArchive]. I believe that the IA will be fine. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 09:19, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::The work needs to conform to the formatting in the primary source: e.g. where it says
::&lt;pre&gt;Article VII. The conditions under which ...&lt;/pre&gt;
::You should have just that, the article name at the beginning of the paragraph, and not in a ==mediawiki header==. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::[[Special:Diff/14970354|Done]]. The [[Treaty of Portsmouth]] tricked me really much. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 09:41, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks. (In general, don't take inspiration from anything marked {{tl|standardise}}.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:54, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::But how to move the page? Is the name &quot;AGREEMENT BETWEEN JAPAN AND THE UNITED KINGDOM, SIGNED AT LONDON, AUGUST 12, 1905&quot; or &quot;Agreement between Japan and the United Kingdom, August 12, 1905&quot;, or the other names like &quot;Anglo-Japanese Agreement, 1905&quot; in [https://archive.org/details/historyofjapanes00briniala/page/vi/mode/2up contents]? [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 09:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::It's not really clear-cut, in this case. I would say that the current title seems about ok to me, as I have trouble finding a single title that would be the &quot;correct&quot; one. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:58, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::It would be best to start transcribing the book [https://archive.org/details/historyofjapanes00briniala/page/n5/mode/2up A history of the Japanese people], with the treaty being a part of its appendix subpage. I am now uploading the book to Commons to create its index page here. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:59, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::If you ask me, I would rather remain the current title, because of the [[Anglo-Japanese Agreement (1902)]]. But any other titles may be possible. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps have the actual work at the title as given in the book, but the current title as a redirect to that page ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:32, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::What I thought was that the issue with this is that th work gives two: &quot;Agreement between Japan and the United Kingdom, August 12, 1905&quot; at that section, and &quot;Anglo-Japanese Agreement, 1905&quot; in the TOC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:42, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::::The index page created, see [[Index:A History of the Japanese People by Francis Brinkley, c1915.djvu]]. The agreement is at pages 736–737. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::By the way, {{vk}} because I have resolved the Gutenberg issue. The current version is from scan work from the [https://archive.org/details/historyofjapanes00briniala/page/736/mode/2up InternetArchive]. [[User:Saimmx|Saimmx]] ([[User talk:Saimmx|talk]]) 12:09, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:It should be changed into a redirect to [[A History of the Japanese People/Appendix 2]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:10, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Secrets of the Self]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}
This page is an unsourced text about that work, presumably taken from [[w:The Secrets of the Self]]. Nothing to do with [https://archive.org/details/secretsofselfasr00iqbauoft/page/vi/mode/2up the introduction of the actual work at IA]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:56, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

:On the talk page, the creator claimed that the source was IA and then https://www.gutenberg.org/files/57317/57317-h/57317-h.htm but it doesn't seem to have come from either. As you say, it appears to be an introduction from WP and a table of contents. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:28, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
: '''Speedy'''. Not even remotely a correct entry to our site. Also, I requested Alien333, our poetry wizard, do this work properly, so I leave it in his hands if he wants to go there. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Four Pakistani authors with no works in scope ==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}
* [[Author:Munir Niazi]]
* [[Author:Perveen Shakir]]
* [[Author:Hamid Khan]]
* [[Author:Asma Jahangir]]
Earliest birth of the four 1923, so no {{tl|PD-US}}.

Earliest death 1994, so none of them were PD in Pakistan in 1996 and so no {{tl|PD-1996}}.

[[Author:Munir Niazi]] and [[Author:Perveen Shakir]] never got into government or UN activities.

[[Author:Hamid Khan]] has apparently not published works under his government activities.

[[Author:Asma Jahangir]] has apparently not published works under her UN activities.

I think that about wraps up possibilities for these authors having works in scope, and therefore they should be deleted — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*:{{vd}} per nom. I had previously raised three of those on the [[User_talk:Eassapk#Author:Perveen_Shakir|user's talk page]] to no response. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:37, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*::The reason might be that the user's account has been globally locked. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:49, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::Oh ? When did that happen ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:17, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::Quite a long time ago, on New Year's Eve [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Eassapk]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:41, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::(I also suspect some socking over there, with the two of them creating the same pages in the exact same fashion, and the globally-locked one having a history of socking at multiple wikis, but that's another issue.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
: '''Speedy''' IMO. Not even remotely correct entries to our site, especially since now we know these were made by a now-globally-locked user account (apparently for &quot;long-term abuse&quot;), as that raises suspicion on the user's competence level in editing to begin with. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} I see that I tried to assist with Perveen Shakir back when page was first created, but it was mostly undoing links to copyright materials. All four pages have now had 3 months for people to discover PD works, it hasn't happened. So, deletion is the best way forward. (I would have had no objection to Speedy G5 if the nomination hadn't happened.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:40, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[index:『 』 public domain lyrics.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as a translation without a scan-backed original}}
The Index and its subpages are in Japanese.  I am posting the deletion notice since that will give the creator one week to copy and move the contents to ja.WS. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:46, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

: This is being used for [[Translation:Nine Half-Width Spaces]] which seems to link to the relevant page on Japanese wikisource. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:02, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:: This Index has not been transcribed at Japanese Wikisource, and the copy here consists of Japanese text, and not a translation.  What we currently have is outside of scope and is not compliant with [[Wikisource:Translations]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:09, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::: It now has been (at ja.ws, that is). See below as regards the rest. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 05:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

* '''Keep.''' The translation is fine, although the transclusion needs some work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Where do you see a translation? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:36, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::* There isn't a translation at the moment, there is the material to be translated, which [[WS:translations#Wikisource original translations]] seems to state has to be in place before translation can commence. It shouldn't take me more than [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1743007560 a week] to get some usable English text going, especially if anyone else aids me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 00:47, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:::* A Japanese transcription is neither needed nor desirable here on the English Wikisource. The Japanese transcription, backed by a scan, needs to be in place at ''Japanese'' Wikisource, not here.  Without a '''scan-backed copy at ja.WS''', any original translation made here violates [[Wikisource:Translations|accepted policy]]. Having a scan-backed copy at the original language WS is a prerequisite for an original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

::::* I see. Well, [[s:ja:ヘルプ:Indexファイルの基本ガイド]] is the relevant guidance. &lt;s&gt;I have difficulty implementing it due to an abuse filter that is rejecting edits outside of my userspace&lt;/s&gt;; previously, I had to create the non-scan-backed text at ja.ws in my user sandbox and use the move tool to transfer it to mainspace. edit: never mind, seems it is resolved now. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent talk|::::}} On second thought, I have saved the source texts so far to storage, so {{vote delete}} them ([[translation:Nine Half-Width Spaces]] too for now since it will be without content to transclude) and I'll come back later with a file that is just the English in a separate PDF for the index. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:We do not want a user-created PDF for the English.  We do not host works supported by files containing  user-created content.  The English should be inserted against the Japanese PDF, so that the translation can be compared page by page with the original language. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
::Well, there's already necessarily a user-created PDF since I had to remove the content for the tracks that weren't released into PD. I appreciate that there should be an accountable chain from the source to the hosted versions, but I don't see how a Japanese-text file hosted on both the Japanese and English Wikisource editions gets us there any more than (say) an [[w:interlinear gloss]] file hosted at mulws. There's also the question of [[WS:sheet music]] for the tune, but that shall have to wait until I am more familiar with the technology; and it wouldn't be scan-attested. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
:::According to the information at Commons, the Japanese lyrics PDF is a redacted copy of the original file provided by the publisher.  If so, then it is not user created.  However, if the file is ''not'' derived from the original source, but is instead user-created, then the content is not eligible to be hosted here.  We do not manufacture supporting scans. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Robert's Rules of Order - 1915.djvu]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as a duplicate}}
This appears to be an exact duplicate of [[Index:Roberts Rules of Order Revised 4th Edition (1915).djvu]].  Can others confirm this is the case?  If so, then this Index and all its Page:s should be deleted, which is a shame since people put so much work into this transcription.  The later transcription is complete and transcluded.  The nominated transcription is neither finished nor transcluded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:[https://archive.org/details/Robertsrulesofor00robe_201303/page/n9/mode/2up] and [https://archive.org/details/robertsrulesofor00robe/page/4/mode/2up], the two IA sources used, are very clearly the same physical book, down to every notch on the paper, so they are duplicates indeed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:42, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
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:Can I just comment that this shows a reason why it is important to link indexes to author pages - to try to reduce the chance of this sort of case. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 12:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Evening Tribune. (Galveston, Tex.), Vol. 7, No. 30, Ed. 1 Monday, October 11, 1886 - DPLA - d1ff5d0c82091ddd624af5787d001874 (page 1).jpg]]==
{{closed/s|Images merged into a PDF; index moved with its page to [[Index:Evening Tribune. (Galveston, Tex.), Vol. 7, No. 30, Ed. 1 Monday, October 11, 1886 - DPLA - d1ff5d0c82091ddd624af5787d001874.pdf]], the PDF of the complete newspaper}}An excerpt—only one page of one daily edition of a newspaper. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:The other three pages of that edition are available as separate .jpgs on Commons. I don't know why only one was brought over to here. I would say keep, unless it would be better to combine the four on Commons and import together. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:What a strange donation. Maybe [[User:Dominic|Dominic]] can shed some light? On the one hand, a substantial effort at transcription has already been made, so I'd be inclined (as Beardo says) to keep it in some form, perhaps merging the page images into a single DJVU file. On the other hand, the scan images are low quality and difficult to proofread. Exploring the source site, it seems to be the highest quality publicly downloadable (or perhaps slightly higher?) but there is a much higher quality scan available (evidenced by the ability to zoom in the web viewer). But it seems they have to be [https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1136221/citation/#high-res explicitly requested] and are not available for direct download. Seems like a useful collection of files if somebody can get the high quality originals; otherwise, not so very useful, as proofreading the small text will be very challenging. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Index:Enviromental Bill of Rights.pdf]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted}}This is a print-out of a Web page, and not a real edition of this law in any sense. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. Web transcription is not our aim. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:49, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

::This is the way governments present laws nowadays - with a webpage showing a consolidated text with all changes. But I agree that is not what we want - we need to get the original text before amendments, and then separately each fresh law making amendments. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:I will mention that from the website is available a version in doc which can then be converted to PDF which is a published government document, rather than a webpage. If so, I can upload that instead of the existing pdf. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Japanese.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Kept.  Nomination withdrawn.}}
See [[Page:Japanese.pdf/8]] - This is apparently NOT a general distribution document. Here rather than copyright discussions, as this is a non-copyright restriction. As a work of US DoD it's covered by the PD-USGov license given. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:Also 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/8]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/9]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/10]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/11]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/12]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/13]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/14]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/15]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/16]] 
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/17]]
*[[Page:Japanese.pdf/18]]
::Hm. As a work of US DoD it should automatically be in the public domain. So it seems to me that the claim ''&quot;It is NOT for general distribution. It may NOT be released to other persons, quoted or extracted for publication&quot;'' is not really valid. Do I understand it right? Or are any exceptions of this kind from the general rule possible? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:It is still a work of the USA government, and so as you said yourself, as such falls under {{tl|PD-USGov}}.
:I don't think the intentions of the writer (besides copyright questions) are a valid reason for deletion. e.g. it's not because a volume of poetry was published &quot;for private circulation only&quot; that we delete it.— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:16, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
*Even if that mattered, the restriction has been voided: the volumes are in the open stacks of major university libraries, and the files only got there after leaving Government hands, and there’s no real difference between availability in libraries and availability on-line than wider access. (Similarly, the later-published 12-week course is available on ERIC without restriction; they just didn’t bother to scan ''Japanese'' because it’s ~5,000 pages.) [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: ''Withdrawn'' [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:53, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[History of national Internet domain]] ==
{{closed/s|Both deleted as non-fixed webpages and [[WS:WWI#Evolving works|therefore out of scope]]}}
The work was allegedly published at some internet page (http://www.rnids.rs/en/node/31), which was probably checked by OTRS, but it is not there anymore, and it cannot be found anywhere else, just in our Wikisource page. For this reason I think it is not in our scope. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

:Text was present in the Internet Archive as of 2010: https://web.archive.org/web/20101128144855/http://rnids.rs/en/node/31. I don't see anything corroborating the license, though. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 02:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::{{vk}} Thanks for finding that. Licence - that's the point of the OTRS - that's supposed to have confirmed the licence via private communication. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 07:30, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Beardo}} That is why it has not been nominated because of the license in copyright discussions. As stated above it has been nominated for deletion because it is not in our scope. 1) Our task is not transcribing various web pages which can disappear from the Internet any time. Also the author does not seem to be any notable researcher of historian, Wikidata have only his LinkedIn profile, all other references about him there are either from another disappeared web page, or imported from English Wikisource, or based on heuristics. &lt;s&gt;2) Among others we are not able to check and confirm the contents and the accuracy of its transcription. While OTRS checked the license (although there have been significant problems with this in the past too), they were not checking the transcription, which our volunteers have to do. But how can we check something which does not exist anymore?&lt;/s&gt; --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:34, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]] - it still exists on Wayback Machine. Are you going to start wanting to delete everything that only exists on Internet Archive ? My comment about the licence was a response to Omphalographer's comment. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 08:45, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{Re|Beardo}} And is there any reason why Wikisource should do the same work as the Wayback machine and serve as an archive for deleted internet content? There can be various reasons why the text disappeared, including those that it contained some non-sense, errors, wrong interpretations etc., and so the web owner decided to remove it. If the web owner does not consider it worth keeping, why should we keep ''and maintain'' such pages ''forever''? Especially when it has already been archived by the Wayback machine? (BTW, our copy is worse than the one in the archive: the Wayback machine's copy is really faithful to the original both in contents and formatting–another reason why our copy is redundant.) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:49, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just curious, if gutenberg.org goes down tomorrow should we immediately delete all our unscanned copies sourced from Gutenberg? If this was posted as a PDF on their page rather than an HTML that we used to scan-back it would we still need to delete since the owner decide to retract it? If the national archives website goes down due to budget cuts, we should delete all US government documents? A whole bunch of the FOIA pages at various US agencies went down, and agencies are eliminated, e.g. should we no longer host US AID documents as that website is down? I have some sympathy for a discussion around cost of maintenance of these pages from early days of WS based on html, but i am not particularly sure we should go around purging documents every new administration when the government websites are reorganized.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:51, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yes good point. But the works sourced from Gutenberg do not exist only in Gutenberg, it should be possible to resource them, or mark them as unsourced hoping somebody would scanback them one day. I suppose that documents by the agencies mentioned above also exist outside the particular webpages somewhere. There can be many edge cases that can be discussed individually, but common web pages whose contents has never existed anywhere else except their mirrors are far behind the borders of our scope. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::But that basically means it is self-published no? That is one of the main reason not to host self-published works. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, I am not sure whether this particular case falls under self-published, but I still believe that such works are not in our scope. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Note that if the main concern is &quot;not worth keeping&quot; an updated version of the text is available here: https://www.rnids.rs/en/about-us/history-national-domains-and-rnids (which is licensed under {{tl|Cc-by-3.0}}) so that doesn't seem to be the case, as updating and expanding and moving with a reorganization of the site seems the exact opposite of the author not finding it valuable, they are willing to make effort to keep it current and expand it. Given that was the main concern raised, and given my concern that merely moving government documents seems like a bad criteria to have I am favor of keeping it. 
::::::::::Our version:
::::::::::Linking of SFR Yugoslavia into global electronic networks began at the end of the 80’s of 20th century. The European Academic Research Network (EARN) was functioning in Europe at that time. In 1988 the Faculty of Natural Sciences and Mathematics in Belgrade, proposed that Yugoslav Universities join the EARN. The University of Belgrade became a node of the EARN in 1989, when the first international connection of the academic network between Belgrade and Linz became active.
::::::::::Since simplicity of TCP/IP protocol family caused sudden development of ARPANET (which later grew into the Internet), there was soon a need for establishing a &quot;bridge&quot; for exchanging electronic mail and data between the Yugoslav Academic Network (based on VAX servers connected to DECNET network and X.400 test platforms) and ARPANET. For the sake of establishing this connection, SFR Yugoslavia got its Internet top-level domain (TLD) - .yu.
::::::::::Updated current version:
::::::::::The process of connecting Yugoslavia to the global electronic networks began in the late 1980s. The European Academic Research Network (EARN) was operating in Europe at that time. In 1988, the Belgrade University Faculty of Natural Sciences and Mathematics1 suggested that Yugoslav universities join the EARN. Belgrade University became an EARN hub node in 1989, when the first international academic network connection was set up between Belgrade and Linz. 2
::::::::::Because the simplicity of the TCP/IP family of protocols brought about the rapid development of ARPANET (which later developed into the Internet), the need to establish a “bridge” for exchanging electronic mail and data between the Yugoslav academic network (based on VAX servers connected in a DECnet network and on a X.400 test platform) and ARPANET was soon felt. In order to make this link possible, Yugoslavia on 15th June 1989 got its own top-level domain (TLD) on the Internet – .YU.
::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Will just mention that the private communication regarding licensing is still hosted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nikola_Smolenski/Slobodan_Markovic [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
: Strong {{vd}}. This is basically a random webpage from the Internet. In both samples, being the one from [https://web.archive.org/web/20101128144855/http://rnids.rs/en/node/31 the Internet Archive] and [https://www.rnids.rs/en/about-us/history-national-domains-and-rnids the current website]:
:# As noted previously, the licensing doesn't matter if the content doesn't fit in our scope in the first place.
:# It's not clearly by a notable author, it's literally a subpage of the ''about section'' of the site in both samples (and reads like an &quot;about&quot; page), and our copy is even functionally worse than the original form as saved on the Wayback Machine (as already well laid out by Jan).
:# &quot;It was updated so clearly someone cares&quot;—great, and rather than being an argument for keeping, that makes the case to delete it ''even more compelling''. We don't want to have to constantly keep track of web updates—we want documents that we are confident exist in a ''fixed form''. We want something we can meaningfully keep track of. The 2010 sample says it was published in 2006, and then that version just ''vanished into the ether'', and the only reason we even know when it was originally published is because the Wayback Machine saved it. The 2025 sample gives no ''visible'' indication of a date of publication—it just updated it without giving any information a normal reader could see.
::: So out of curiosity, I looked into the ''invisible'' information in the HTML code of [https://www.rnids.rs/en/about-us/history-national-domains-and-rnids the 2025 link], and found this in the metadata:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;html&quot;&gt;
&lt;meta property=&quot;article:published_time&quot; content=&quot;2015-02-02T06:27:00+01:00&quot; /&gt;
&lt;meta property=&quot;article:modified_time&quot; content=&quot;2019-03-27T16:54:45+01:00&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
::: This means the article was published in 2015, and randomly modified in 2019. Who knows what modifications were made, or why, or to what degree the content was changed. So to call this a fixed version of the &quot;work&quot; is dubious. This is how a lot of the Internet's content functions. There's absolutely no expectation that &quot;we're never gonna modify this, unless we tell you explicitly&quot;—it just kind of happens whenever somebody felt like it needed to.
: Much of this is laid out clearly in [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] and other policies, especially the last point. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 10:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Well, in general I would think we should probably update the &quot;Documentary Sources&quot; section. (Note we should do anyways since we speedy deleted without discussion as out-of-scoe one of the examples in January as listed explicitly as in scope leaving a red link). This document is a &quot;document&quot; of the official organization that runs the Serbian internet domain name by it's managing director at the time documenting the course of events that happened there. The author was a board member of the organization at the time, nominated to ICANN (see the nomination here [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/final-18feb07-en.pdf])  it is documentary in nature about that piece of history. If the goal going forward is to only include treaties and government publications, academic publcation etc. or some narrowing about what type of documentary evidence we want to include that's fine, but we should update that section to reflect that with new wording rather than just ignoring it and assuming everyone understands that is what it means.
::Re born digital and evolving texts, this makes more sense to me, that we should look to have proper sourcing and we can't if not published in fixed form. But that also means if were published in fixed form (e.g. as a PDF article) it would be eligible for inclusion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::&quot;evidentiary in nature, and created in the course of events&quot; has never been understood as a web page with text about some piece of history of something. When we speak about &quot;documents&quot;, we always mean texts of the kind that can be found e. g. in [[:Category:Documents]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::That was my point. I am fine saying, we agree a web page without publication date or commitment to staying in fixed form isn't a document and hence out of scope. I am not fine with saying that, say a PDF book entitled &quot;History of the Serbian internet&quot; written by the same author and hosted on the same webpages is out of scope as a precedent because any document by the author &quot;is not clearly by a notable author&quot;. But lets not bring in new criteria so we adopt a precedent that documentary sources must be by &quot;a notable author&quot; and then cite this as precedent when someone wants to delete some other document sometime or that any document covering the same rough subject matter is out of scope. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(For precision: [[Interrogation of Wolfram Sievers]] [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?oldid=12001278#Interrogation_of_Wolfram_Sievers was deleted by PD as an extract] in 2021 (and it also didn't match the text of the published editions); it was recreated in 03/24 with empty content, and speedied 19/01/25 as being empty, not necessarily out of scope. While searching for another link to replace this one, I realized that most of our nuremberg stuff is unsourced. But that's another story... anyhow, replaced the WWI link by [[Ford v. Wainwright]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===[[Country Report - Yugoslavia]]===
Adding this page by [[Author:Slobodan Marković|Slobodan Marković]] to the discussion, since the case is basically the same as &quot;History&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 10:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
* {{vd}} under the same rationale. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:: [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] Then you need to mark that page with the delete template. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:13, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I have done so (and in general when you're reminding someone, feel free to tag it yourself (just make sure it links to the right sections, for multiple-work threads).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I prefer not to add such templates if I am not convinced that such a tag is justified. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::If a page is listed here for deletion, then the tag is justified, as that's what it's made for. The header of this page does say {{tqi|'''&lt;nowiki&gt;add {{&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Template:Delete|delete]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}} to pages [...] nominated for deletion&lt;/nowiki&gt;'''}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:Physics (Aristotle)]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as incomplete and abandoned}}
Incomplete and abandoned. Besides, the original in the Greek WS is not scanbacked.-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} Only a few sentences have been translated from each of the Books that have links. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Maliseet Vocabulary]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted: abandoned transcription with one page}}
Abandoned transcription containing only the title page. Also has a redirect that needs deleting. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 15:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} per nomination. I have added the IA link to the author page if someone wants to come back to this. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Abu Bakr Siddiq's (RA) Sermon After the Oath of Allegiance]]==
{{closed/s|Deleted: unsourced and probably an extract.}}No source, no licence, looks like an extract. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} per nom. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:38, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Fragments (Smyth)]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as an extract}}
This contains only a few lines from pages 381-383 of [https://archive.org/details/aeschyluswitheng02aescuoft/page/382/mode/2up this volume] —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{comment}} I am working through the Greek dramatists, backing with scans, but do not plan to tackle the Smyth volumes of Aeschylus until next year.  The contents of the nominated page are themselves fragments: a random selection of non-consecutive, out-of-order pieces extracted from the mentioned pages, and missing large chunks of information as well as footnotes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:The closing admin should also nominate the associated Wikidata item for deletion, as it exists solely for this fragmentary Wikisource page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::Is that translation even in public domain yet ? Anyway {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:27, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Annotated &quot;Ulysses&quot;]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted; incomplete and abandoned}}
An incomplete attempt to create a version annotated by a Wikisource user, abandoned 15 years ago. The main contributor was [[User:Eroica|Eroica]]. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:11, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:The unannotated version can be seen at [[Ulysses (1922)]].--[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
*So many problems: the text is separated by page, not all of the pages are even created, and only a few of the pages (3, 5–7, 9, 10, 16–19, 29, 49) are actually annotated. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
*:There was a discussion on the talk page in 2010 about the suitability of Wikisource for this. It does seem that the project was restarted in Wikibooks - [[b:Annotations to James Joyce's Ulysses]]. {{vd}} as incomplete, abandoned and superseded by the Wikibooks version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
::: {{vd}} also because the form is very wrong—transcluding things page-by-page is probably not a great idea. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:38, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} Noting here for posterity that Ukrainian Wikisource has copied and translated our annotated copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Edward Grim's account of the Murder of Thomas Becket]] ==
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Just an extract, compare e. g. a bit longer extract in [https://www.google.cz/books/edition/England_in_the_Middle_Ages_the_Angevins/HMc8EAAAQBAJ?hl=cs&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=PT372 this book]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:It states the source - but seems to have skipped the first 1/4 - https://archive.org/details/influenceofchri00hutt/page/254/mode/2up - {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:14, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} as an extract. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 16:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} as an extract. (I tried transcribing the work this is based on, ''The English Saints'', but you wouldn't believe how complex the footnotes in that work are and they were genuinely painful to work with, so I kinda gave up. So too bad we don't get the whole book.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 21:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:The Spiraling Web.pdf]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as self-published}}
As best I can tell, this is a recently created work of amateur fiction, and one which is entirely self-published (i.e. no outside editor and no print run). No transcription work appears to have been done; all we've got right now is an index page. (I'm also unsure it makes sense to &quot;transcribe&quot; a work that's available from the author as a fully digital EPUB.) [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 00:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} It is available on [https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Spiraling_Web.html?id=OynbJfFnB4gC Google Books], [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-spiraling-web-ryan-somma/1017688610 Barnes and Noble], [https://www.amazon.com/Spiraling-Web-Ryan-Somma/dp/B009304YLO Amazon], and [https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/9351820-the-spiraling-web Goodreads], and several of these sites indicate paperback versions were distributed. The book also has an ISBN number according to the Google Books. Does any of this indicate peer review is likely? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 01:17, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't - print-on-demand sites routinely assign ISBNs to self-published works. This one appears to have been printed through Lulu; [https://www.lulu.com/shop/ryan-somma/the-spiraling-web/paperback/product-1dpkjkz.html here's their listing]. Also worth noting that &quot;ideonexus&quot; is the name of the author's own web site, not a separate entity. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 05:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} per nom. No indication of importance or citing either after publication. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
: Weak {{vd}} per nom. Why weak? The works appear both typographically and synoptically interesting. And they are almost two decades old, so they could reasonably be called &quot;historical&quot; by some metrics. Modern linguistic materials that are freely licensed are difficult to come by, especially outside of that dry, bureaucratic, governmental context, so it would be nice if we could have these here. But, unfortunately, they do fail our inclusion criteria as they currently stand, so I have no choice (though my personal biases may say otherwise) to side with deletion. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::I'd also reiterate that this is a work which is already available as an electronic text (i.e. EPUB). For Wikisource editors to painstakingly transcribe a printed text document back to text, page by page, seems like a poor use of time which can be better spent on text which is not yet available in an electronic form.
::At ''some'' point, I agree that Wikisource needs to start ingesting &quot;born-digital&quot; texts, and I believe that it will need a more efficient process which doesn't involve round-tripping through a print format. (Related discussions have come up surrounding government works like NOAA notices.) But I don't think this book is the right place to start. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|talk]]) 20:18, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: I don't think that &quot;a poor use of time&quot; is not an argument we should be using. Volunteers on something like this work on what they want, not what would be an optimal use of their time.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 02:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

=== [[Index:Clones - Ryan Somma.pdf]] ===
{{closed/s|Deleted as self-published}}Adding another work by the same author, since the conditions are the same, except much of the project has been proofread already. ''This is not necessarily a delete vote.'' [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 01:17, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
: Weak {{vd}} per above. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Author:Daphne du Maurier]]==
{{closed/s|Kept, works in scope found}}No hostable workers (British author, nothing pre-1930). Also, the image on Wikisource is AI-generated—unlike the one on Wikipedia. Why is that? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 18:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{comment}} Odd that this Author page was created with a license claiming works were published before 1930, when no such works were listed, and the page creation edit summary notes that her first publication was 1931.  We're two years from being able to host that first work.  With regard to the image: the image is not AI-generated; it is a colorized and cleaned up photograph.  The reason we see a different image from Wikipedia is that Wikidata editors selected a different photograph from the Commons category of available images than what was selected at Wikipedia. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::I have replaced the artificially coloured image in Wikidata. Such speculative colouring should not be accepted in Commons and definitely should be banned in Wikidata. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]]: Thank you for that. The image was “upscaled,” which is just lingo for AI modification; and the colorization was probably done by an AI program, as well. (I came across du Maurier’s Author: page while proofreading a reading list which mentioned her work; I was surprised, I guess correctly, by the fact that we had her listed here.) [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{vk}} She wrote stories in magazine before hand, e.g &quot;Terror&quot; in. ''The Bystander'' 26. Dec. 1928, https://archive.org/details/00-bystander-1904-28/page/28 and &quot;A Man of Straw&quot;,  ''The Bystander'' 27 Nov. 1929. A list is available here [https://journals.openedition.org/jsse/3842]. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::I count four short stories on the list that are published in 1928 or 1929, and thus are eligible to be hosted on Wikisource.  The scan you provided contains one of these stories. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{vk}} per MarkLSteadman. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::{{vk}} as there are hostable works. Thank you @[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]] for changing the photo. Whether AI or photoshopped, I don't think that we should have that here. And thank you @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] and @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] for finding / adding the stories. The wikipedia article needs to be updated. By the way - there seems to be a problem - the delete template on the author page does not link to the section here. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The template links here for me. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah sorry - the link works, but it also still shows &quot;Start discussion&quot; which tries to create a new discussion. Does that always stay there ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:{{vk}} Are author pages for works in Requested Texts for the next few years not acceptable? Especially when, like this one, the odds of a usable work existing are quite high?--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The varaha puran]] ==
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This gives no source, no information on the translator and seems to be just the first chapter of over 200. A google search on the first line gave just this page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} This is taken from ''The Varāha Purāna'', published by Motilal Banarsidass, Delhi (1960) as part of the UNESCO Collection, Indian Series. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:13, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Treaty of the Bogue]] ==
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Unsourced compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 16:14, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}}, and the attempted method of using two headers at once is ineffective anyway—as you can see, instead of rendering in the middle of the page as intended, it renders at the very top with the first header. This is yet another major reason why we don't do these work compilations. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:17, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Author:James Arthur Baldwin]]==
{{closed/s|result=Kept.  Hostable works in scope located.}}
Created for one copyrighted work (since deleted). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} Source obviously has many non-renewed works. I quickly found one and added it to the page, and will upload scans shortly.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
*:{{vk}} - I was going to say that I thought it highly likely that a writer so prolific would have hostable works. Thanks for finding one. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Author:Boris Leonidovich Pasternak]]==
{{closed/s|Works entering PD next year, so kept for coordination}}No public domain English translations for this celebrated Russian author. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:I see a 1930 translation by George Reavey of four poems in ''Experiment,'' No. 6. So that will be available next year. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 16:07, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::I would in general vote to allow author pages to be created the year before their works go into the public domain because: a. It allows the copyright status to be documented on the author page preventing misunderstandings on exactly when a work goes into the PD and b. facilitates the creation and uploading of a work on January 1st by having the license information tracked down, e.g. whether it needs to go to WS or commons. That isn't current policy &quot;Generally, author pages should not be created for an author with no known compatible works.&quot; so happy to defer to others if they prefer delete and recreate in January.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]: A previous discussion found that five years into the future was acceptable. I can’t find it off-hand, but I certainly don’t object to keeping this page. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 18:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Tarikh-i-Rashidi]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as incomplete}}
Empty TOC page with no actual content —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 06:58, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:The beginnings of a proofread is here [[Index:The Tarikh-i-Rashidi - Mirza Muhammad Haidar, Dughlát - tr. Edward D. Ross (1895).djvu]]. It's one of the many items I have been meaning to scan-back. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Deleted. Neither the content nor the formatting matched the claimed source.}}
This is an OCR dump (whicl1, responsibi1ity, sha11). These errors are in the document linked to, which is in fact just a PDF version of OCR text. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:There must be some proper sources that we can use for this. It is included here https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/wha/rlnks/11936.htm?os=f&amp;ref=app - which includes the Annex omitted from the version that we have. But is that the best source ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
::If you are (or someone else is) willing to transcribe it, feel free to, but what is up for deletion here is the current content of this page, and that won't be much use to anyone. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It is of much use to me, and probably to anyone else who is interested in history, current events, and in ''reading''. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:52, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:I added this text on 4th February, added it to [[Author:Jimmy Carter]], and created a page for [[Author:Omar Torrijos|Omar Torrijos]], and no one notified my user page that this was proposed for deletion.  
:One source is here: [https://pancanal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/neutrality-treaty.pdf pancanal.com Neutrality Treaty]
:The official copy can also be found in the [[Portal:Library of Congress]], if anyone is willing to join me in actually doing the research.
:There should be a different template applied to the effect of {{better source needed}}, to inform readers that there may be a better source, like the one @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] found, for which I thank him.
:Its appalling to me that such a significant, notable, and currently newsworthy text did not exist on wikisource prior, and that you would propose to delete it now.
:It apppears that your excessive and somewhat uncivil and borderline ignorant deletion policy is deterring constructive contributors, and degrading the quality of this project for readers who expect to find works that they know to be in the public domain.
:Please do the research and improve the text, as @Beardo suggested, and as I will endeavor to do in the coming years, or else desist from this attempted deletion. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 17:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::For more on this point, see [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Imposing_Maximum_Pressure_on_the_Government of_the_Islamic Republic_of_Iran,_Denying_Iran_All_Paths_to_a_Nuclear_Weapon,_and_Countering_Iran’s_Malign_Influence]]
::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::* Wikisource is only the efforts of volunteers. If you're appalled no one transcribed it properly, then transcribe it yourself (and properly).
::* You added the text yourself. It is not the responsibility of the whole project, or of other individual contributors, who may have others areas of interest, to care for and rescue texts any specific user adds.
::* I would like to remind you that {{tqi|excessive and somewhat uncivil and borderline ignorant}} is in itself quite uncivil towards the whole project (and that this kind of stuff is mostly said by newcomers coming from other projects... but I digress).
::* The source you have given is either:
::** in itself only OCR in which case it's clearly no point hosting it here, as it'd be lowering our standards
::** a very low-quality secondary transcription, and so is ''not'' a primary source, and so on top of that it is eligible for speedy deletion as clearly out of scope per [[WS:WWI#PG]]
::* (Oh, and also: deletion policy does not require noticing the creator here.)
::* (I also note that you failed to add even the minimal formatting that appeared in this &quot;source&quot;. I must stress that formatting is '''not''' optional, and that cut-and-paste additions are very heavily frowned upon.)
::* This is english wikisource as it stands. You can like it, or leave it, except if you have excellent arguments for changing policy that will convince a majority of us to abandon the way we have done stuff for the last twenty-ish years. But in no way do you have the right to bludgeon us, insult us, and demand that we take care of ''your'' projects, and adapt to ''your'' standards.
::Thank you. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:A better [https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/wha/rlnks/11936.htm better version is available at 2001-2009.state.gov], without the OCR errors in the pancanal.com text.  (Thank you for discovering those, btw.)  I've copied it into the page, replacing the previous text with that of the State Department.  
:I've also put in some links to loc.gov and govinfo.gov where PDF versions should be available, if another editor wishes to upload and index that.  I'll try to do so in the coming year.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::The current version of the page does not respect the formatting of either https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/wha/rlnks/11936.htm or https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-Y4_M53-4296e7cde6b8c88c5b5204c0482770a9/pdf/GOVPUB-Y4_M53-4296e7cde6b8c88c5b5204c0482770a9.pdf, and doesn't have the content of either (skips stuff).
::Moreover, https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n87937891.html does not give the actual document, and so can't be used as a source.
::So, this page still does not respect any source. Such texts are below english wikisource's standards. If you can not make it stick to a source, it will get deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Portal:Lapis Lazuli Texts]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Portal deleted. Listed contents moved to Translation: namespace as good-faith original contributions, per consensus.}}
All the texts here are self-published translations from https://lapislazulitexts.com/. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{keep}} These are public domain, highly useful quality translations of various texts, some of which are rather obscure. The website does not have self-promotional content either. [[User:Florificapis|Florificapis]] ([[User talk:Florificapis|talk]]) 13:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Being in the public domain is just one of conditions for a text to be hosted here, but it is not sufficient, see [[WS:WWI]]. Among others, we do not host self-published texts. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Maybe could be moved to translationspace? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{keep}} Although we know nothing about who is behind Lapis Lazuli Texts (see home page: [https://lapislazulitexts.com/]) ,  there are interesting translations. I have read several and compared some of them with others available (e.g. [https://web.archive.org/web/20110811122049/http://sites.google.com/site/ekottara/eaxv]) and I found that there is concordance. I agree with [[User:Florificapis|Florificapis]] and at the same time with [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]], but it's not clear to me that these are &quot;self-published texts&quot;. 
As Lapis Lazuli points out (see link : [https://lapislazulitexts.com/tripitaka/]), many Buddhist texts have never been translated from Chinese into English. They want to fill this gap, which is a good thing. As Florificalis says, this is very useful. Consequently, it seems to me that we can keep the translations proposed by Lapis Lazuli, despite the reservations expressed by Jan Kameníček, which I share. However, these translations are reliable.  Or, to avoid total deletion, perhaps they could be transferred to the translation space, as suggested by [[User:Alien333|Alien]]. {{unsignedIP|14.245.31.232}}
:These texts were not published in a {{tqi|verifiable [and] peer-reviewed forum}} (as required by [[WS:WWI]]), and so are not eligible for inclusion as published works. This is what is implied in &quot;self-published&quot;.
:However, the Translation namespace appears to me to fit this; it is intended for translations, made by themselves, of eligible works in other languages, that users want to add them to Wikisource. (There are requirements for new translations, buy these, which were added in 2010, before [[WS:T]] was established, do not have to meet them, and so can I gather be kept in translation namespace.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: what'd you think of moving this to translationspace? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Alien333|Alien]] for the answer. Frankly, I'm not really aware of all the constraints concerning the question. Yesterday I gave my simple opinion. As for the next step concerning Lapis Lazuli, I have full confidence in the community to make the best consensual decision. Keeping it in translation namespace does seem to be the best solution in this case.
:::Well, not really happy about such solution either, because Translation NS was originally designed for Wikisource users translating foreign works... But, as it seems so many people are inclined to keep the work somehow, and confirm the quality of the translation at the same time, we might accept this solution ''exceptionally'', with the reservation that it will not serve as a precedent for other cases in future. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::These were created by @[[User:Lapislazulitexts|Lapislazulitexts]], which gives a strong impression that it was a voluntary contribution from a wikisource user translating foreign works. That they had first put them up on another site shouldn't be too much of an issue, should it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:02, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::OK. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Washington Naval Treaty, 1922]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted; incomplete extract}}
Here since 2005 with no source.  This ''appears'' to have been extracted from some larger work, since the front material has an embedded footnote (not formatted as a footnote: &quot;[41] In English and French; French text not printed. . .&quot;) included within the running text. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*I’m not sure of the origin of our text, but a full copy is available starting on [[Page:Lltreaties-ustbv002.pdf/359|p. 351]] of ''[[United States Treaty Series]]'', vol. 2. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:Thanks.  That will help us back this with a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*::It looks like the source may be https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pre-war/1922/nav_lim.html (linked from the wikipedia page) as that has the [41]s as mentioned. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:::Which in turn comes from https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1922v01/d77 where the footnote is a footnote. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*::::That site (in turn) cites: ''Papers Relating to the Foreign Relations of the United States, 1922, Volume I'', Treaty Series No. 671.  Given that the webpage itself cites another source as its source, we're probably better off using the ''US Treaty Series'' scan directly. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:::::It isn't exactly another source - that website is an online version of the source, which can also be downloaded as .epub or .mobi. But I guess the preference is the .pdf compliation. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
: Also noting that our page doesn't have all the text; for example the footnotes on tonnages that were at the very bottom of the history.state.gov site have been cropped off. Probably because they were also cropped of in [https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pre-war/1922/fr_tabl.html this]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Laudabiliter (Migne)]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as an extract}}
Extract from a secondary source.  Supposedly a translation into Engish made by a French priest with no works in English.  I therefore suspect this is a translation of a translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
: I looked-up the source of this translation. It's from the 1896 book: ''Nicholas Breakspear (Adrian IV.): Englishman and Pope'', by Alfred Henry Tarleton. The Latin text of this papal bull appears on pages 157–9, and it is that Latin text which the book says &quot;is taken from Migne&quot; (''Patrologiæ Cursus,'' tom. 188, p. 1441.). [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vOdgAAAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA159 On page 159] there follows this English translation in a lengthy footnote. Presumably the translation is by Tarleton himself. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 16:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
::So should Laudabiliter (Migne) be moved to [[Laudabiliter (Tarleton)]] ?
::And [[Author:Jacques Paul Migne]] be proposed for deletion ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:19, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Moving would depend upon keeping this item.  Based on research presented, it's published as a footnote inside another volume, which makes it an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as a compilation}}
Added to Wikisource in 2006. In 2008 somebody wrote to [[Translation talk:Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen|its talk page]] that it is a copyvio. Unfortunately, it stayed unnoticed and the provided link is dead nowadays. I failed to find any absolutely exact text predating our 2006 version, but I found a very similar one in the publication [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_French_Revolution/bdQg-oqveY8C?hl=cs&amp;gbpv=1&amp;dq=&amp;pg=PA6&amp;printsec=frontcover The French Revolutin, 1789–1791] from 1894, which is definitely in the public domain. The problem is that some parts of our text are absolutely identical with this source, which prevents our version to be hosted in the Translation namespace, while others are worded differently, which prevents it from being hosted in our mainspace.

In conclusion, it seems to me that one of the two following must be true:
#Somebody took the old translation, partly reworded it and published it somewhere on the Internet (as the 2008 observation at the talk page suggests), which would mean that our version is a copyvio, or
#The Wikisource contributor who added it here made a compilation of an older text with his own translation of some parts. Although such attitude would not be against copyright laws (the old text being in the public domain), it is against our policy not accepting compilations, and also against our translations policy, which has dedicated the translation namespace to Wikisource original translations and not to &quot;improvements&quot; of translations of other authors.
-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Now I have found out that some parts (not all) were taken also from the translation published e.g. [https://www.google.cz/books/edition/The_Chatto_Book_of_Dissent/0YVZAAAAMAAJ?hl=cs&amp;gbpv=1&amp;bsq=%22Any+society+in+which+the+guarantee+of+rights+is+not+assured,+nor+the+separation%22&amp;dq=%22Any+society+in+which+the+guarantee+of+rights+is+not+assured,+nor+the+separation%22&amp;printsec=frontcover in this 1953 publication]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted; raw OCR dump}}
Just raw OCR, including page numbers – often badly recognized, such as ( lO ) or even ( &gt;■ ) –, many hyphen-divided words, such as &quot;Trad- ing&quot; etc. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:44, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
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== &quot;Mini-TOCs&quot; for James Fenimore Cooper novels ==
{{closed/s|Deleted; these novels have no need of a separate TOC on every page; plus, makes duplication with one template per work}}
* {{tl|Deerslayer-Mini-TOC}}
* {{tl|Pioneers-Mini-TOC}}
* {{tl|Prairie-Mini-TOC}}
* {{tl|Pathfinder-Mini-TOC}}
* {{tl|The Chronicles of Cooperstown mini-TOC}}

These are just TOCs placed on the bottom of the chapter pages for specific novels. We don't normally do this for books at all, unless there's some special reason to (like if it's an encyclopedia or a work with a complex structure), so I think we should just delete these now. Our header system, and the TOC at the front matter of a work, does fine with navigation, and if further navigation functionality is needed it would be better to use a more programmatic method than to have a template for every novel. {{sm|Note: It might be worth auditing through the rest of [[:Category:Specific navigation templates]] for other problematic or outdated TOC templates.}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
: Just a heads-up: intend to close this as delete one of these days; it's just that the templates require automatic removals, so I have to write some code for it first. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::Cheers. As mentioned, there do seem to be others in that category which should also be deleted. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:22, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::: I intend to try and go through that at some point; and make a separate discussion. (One more thing on the TODO pile...) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:54, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Tetrabiblos]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as a compilation; work on a real edition can be done at [[
Index:Loeb 435 - Ptolemy - Tetrabiblos by Robbins (1940).pdf]]}}
Allegedly the 1822 translation, in fact compilation of the 1822 and 1940 translations and images from several other different sources, thus making it a new, previously non-existent edition of the work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:58, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:We've already had a copyright discussion, which determined that the translation was the 1940 Williams (Loeb) text, but that there was some material at the front taken from the translation of 1822.  I do not have access to this Loeb edition (which did not have copyright renewed), as it is not one of the volumes I own, and I could not locate a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:: I have a collection of Loebs I downloaded years ago, so I uploaded this one to [[:File:Loeb 435 - Ptolemy - Tetrabiblios by Robbins (1940).pdf]].--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks! Comparing our text with this I can see that our text also omits the notes (although it keeps the inline ref numbers!–E. g. in the the first sentence of 2nd paragrah in the Proem section), and the pictures in our version are not present in the original at all. So our version is a really a completely different &quot;Wikisource made&quot; publication. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 07:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
::::That File spells the work Tetrabiblios when it should be Tetrabiblos - should it be moved ?
::::Is it worth marking the existing version as &quot;migrate to&quot; or is it better just to delete what is there and start afresh ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I suggest a fresh start as there are parts which cannot be migrated because they do not belong to this edition, and there are also parts which cannot be migrated because they are missing (notes). --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{tl|migrate to}} should be used when we finally find a source of some work and upload its scan. Then we may choose to keep such a work and wait until somebody proofreads it, because it is not unsourced anymore. But this is a compilation and the scan is not its source, so simple tagging is not a solution, it should be deleted. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::If we're choosing to rename, then the volume title is &quot;Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos&quot;.  The Loeb series uses the author as the first word of each volume title, when the volume translates a particular author's works.  To exclude that part of the title would be at variance with the rest of the series. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::[[Index:Loeb 435 - Ptolemy - Tetrabiblos by Robbins (1940).pdf]] now exists.  It would be helpful if someone with a bot could create all the even numbered pages from 2 to 458 (scan pages 26 to 482, even) with the only page content being &lt;nowiki&gt;{{iwpage|el}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and those pages flagged as &quot;no content&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[I Must Have Wanton Poets]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted as excerpts}}
This is merely an excerpt from Marlowe's ''Edward the Second''. The source is not indicated, and I couldn't find any evidence that this excerpt has every been published on its own. The same appears to be the case for [[Lament for Zenocrate]] and [[Our Conquering Swords]] (from ''Tamburlaine the Great'') and [[Who Ever Loved, That Loved Not at First Sight]] (from ''Hero and Leander''). [[User:Revolution Saga|Revolution Saga]] ([[User talk:Revolution Saga|talk]]) 08:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:(You should tag pages with {{tl|delete}} when you nominate them. I have tagged these 4 pages.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, I will from now on. Best, [[User:Revolution Saga|Revolution Saga]] ([[User talk:Revolution Saga|talk]]) 22:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:What Women Should Know.png]] ==
{{closed/s|[[WS:CSD#G7]]'d; creator requested deletion as typo}}
No such file. Presumably this index is redundant to [[Index:What Women Should Know.djvu]] and [[Index:What Women Should Know.pdf]]. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
: Pinging [[User:Eievie|Eievie]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;png&quot; was a stupid typo when I meant &quot;pdf&quot;. Please delete it.
::There's both a djvu and pdf file because the djvu one is kinda blurry, but then the pdf one isn't that readable either. I've tried making it black and white and increasing the image contrast, hoping to make it clearer, but it hasn't worked that well either, and I'm not really sure what to try next there. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 17:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Google scans have always been trash. Sadly as far as I can see it's all there is for this one. I'd say try using [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uga1.32108005041143&amp;seq=9 this other] marginally better google scan, and taking it as-is. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:21, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
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:Thank you for the Hathi suggestion. The djvu file is looking much better now. Could you delete the pdf one now? Its no longer needed. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 02:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Pocatello Flag]] ==
{{closed/s|Deleted; seemingly collates multiple works (if we call random webpages works); also possibly copyright issues with unclear extent of release}}
Is this really a ''work'' as we would define it, or is it more just a copied webpage from a city government site (which the Pocatello site has a lot of)? It has a news release in it, but wouldn't that then be a separate work from the description at the top? Incidentally, the CC0 dedication is in the middle of the page, ''before'' the news release, so it's unclear to me exactly how much of the webpage would be in the public domain (but that's a minor copyright matter, not a substance matter). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:19, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Here is the actual resolution adopting it (https://pocatello.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/1027?fileID=3924) fwiw.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Order No. 270]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted: likely a translation of [https://ru.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7_%D0%A1%D0%92%D0%93%D0%9A_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_%D0%BE%D1%82_16.08.1941_%E2%84%96_270&amp;oldid=602920 this ruWS revision], which wasn't scan-backed (the page still isn't)}}
This seems to be text originally added in wikipedia in 2012 and described as &quot;Rough translation&quot; by a user in their only edit - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Order_No._270&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=524065546 - it was moved from wikipedia to wikisource in 2024 with the translation credited to that original user. (and with no licence information).

If the translation had been done by the user, I suppose that it could be moved to translation space - but I don't see how we could confirm that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
: I can't see any trace of this text on the internet that dates from before the user added it to the page.
: For reference, the text of the RUWS page when this was added to ENWP was [https://ru.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7_%D0%A1%D0%92%D0%93%D0%9A_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_%D0%BE%D1%82_16.08.1941_%E2%84%96_270&amp;oldid=602920 this].
: {{tqi|Lieutenant-General [1] Ponedelin}} is 100% a copypasted ref, which would go along with a translation from RUWS (it did have a ref there).
: If it's not a user translation, it's likelily copyvio; if it is a user translation, then the RUWS page isn't scan-backed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:25, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Copyright Act of 1790]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Speedy-deleted per [[WS:CSD#G4]] as redundant to [[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 1/1st Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15]]; recreated as redirect}}
This article appears to be worse version of [[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 1/1st Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15]]. I propose we merge them. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: @[[User:ToxicPea]]: what do you mean here by &quot;merge&quot; precisely? As far as I can see this should be deleted (and is I think also [[WS:CSD#G4]]-able). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::I meant that [[Copyright Act of 1790]] should be redirected to [[United States Statutes at Large/Volume 1/1st Congress/2nd Session/Chapter 15]]. Probably poor word choice on my part. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 11:21, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:The Last Will and Testament of the Dying Mother The Unity of Brethren]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; not in compliance with [[WS:T]]; also footnotes and intro are copyrighted}}
Not in accordance with [[ws:T]], no scan-backed original present in the original wiki. What is more, the introduction and all the annotations by Josef Staněk (died 1947), originally published in Czech in 1935, are still copyrighted in the US. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:Dates back to 2015 which is after the new policy went into effect, correct, so not grandfathered? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 19:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::No, the grandfather rule talks about ''&quot;works existing &amp; accepted prior to July 2013&quot;''. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::But the new policy actually only became policy this year - so how can you be trying to impose something that wasn't actually policy at the time this page was created ? The grandfather rule should be amended to reflect the fact that it didn't become policy in 2013, as was expected, but only in 2025. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::This was already explained several times. 1) Besides adopted policies Wikisource also accepts common practice. It was common practice for many years to use this rule before it it was accepted by voting, voting only confirmed its status that had already been generally recognized. 2) More important: The voting accepted the rule with all its provisions without any change, including the provision that only pre-1913 additions are exempted. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:10, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Created before the late policy was enacted. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
*:It does not matter when the policy was enacted. The policy explicitely states that only works added before July 2013 may be exempted. (Besides, there is also the copyright problem.) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 07:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{vd}} Per policy. I just wanted to double-check the timings for a decade-old work. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Originally I thought that the case was quite clear and so I did not give many details about what made me nominate this work, so I am going to give them now:

:'''1.''' As mentioned above, it is not in accordance with the [[WS:T]] policy.
:'''2.''' Some parts are translated very badly, changing the original meaning. Compare e.g. the first sentence of part III:
{| {{ts|margin-left:3em}}
|'''Literal translation''' || '''Our translation'''
|-
| {{ts|pr2}} | Come, then, my sons, stand around the deathbed of me, and listen to the words of me, who bore you, which I will speak.||Go, my children, because I am a widow and forsaken.
|}
:'''3.''' I suppose that the sentence I used as an example above, was translated so badly, because it was not worded well in the edition that the contributor used for the translation. It seems that various editors tried to reword the original text. I do not have the original 1650 text, so let's compare the Czech sentence from the above point in the following editions:
{| {{ts|margin-left:3em}}
| '''1879 edition''' || '''1935 (US copyrighted) edition used for our translation'''
|-
| {{ts|pr2}} |Pojďtež tedy, synové moji, postavte se vůkol smrtedlné postele mé, a slov mých, kteráž já, matka vaše, jenž jsem vás zplodila, k vám mluviti budu, pozorujte: || Poďtež tedy, synové moji, postavte se vůkol smrtedlné postele mé a slov mých, kteráž jsem vás zplodila, co mluviti budu, pozorujte:
|}
::We can see that Czech texts differ, and I admit that the 1935 wording is quite difficult to understand, offering various interpretations of its meaning, which the translator solved by very imprecise simplification, see the point above. ''At the same time it raises the question, whether it is possible to use the US-copyrighted edition with different wordings as a basis for translation''.
:'''4.''' Another example of bad translation: While Komenský was in accordance with his times very gender-biased, e. g. addressing his readers as &quot;sons&quot; (''synové''), the Wikisource contributor changed it to gender neutral &quot;children&quot;, which is good in terms of our modern striving for just society, but this work is a historical document and we must not try to falsify history and show the authors and their texts in better light.
:'''5.''' Last but very important: there are the problems I mentioned in the original deletion request: copyrighted notes and copyrighted introduction.
I am sorry I underestimated this nomination and did not write all the reasons at once, having chosen only those that seemed crucial to me. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:18, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
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== Several copydumps with no source ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced and nearly unformatted}}
The following works were uploaded by the same editor between 2010 and 2012. They are all minimally formatted, and no source is specified for any of them.
* [[John Maclean's speech from the dock]]
* [[Between Red and White]]
* [[John Splendid]]
* [[The Vital Spark]]
* [[The Tanaka Memorial]]
—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:40, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
: Pinging [[User:PatGallacher|PatGallacher]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::The &quot;John Splendid&quot; is a real mess. And others have various problems. Without sources, it is impossible to check things. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:40, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::You ought to make the delete templates with &quot;|Several copydumps with no source&quot; so they link to this section. I did it for &quot;John Splendid&quot; but the first time I tried it went horribly wrong and I had a lot of problems correcting it, so I will leave the others to somebody with a better connection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 12).djvu/styles.css]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Moved to new index location —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)}}
A stray page which seems to have been left behind when its parent page was moved. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Are you saying that it should be deleted rather than moved? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
::I don't know. It's not doing anything where it is now. If it is needed at the new address, then I suppose it needs moving without leaving a redirect. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:10, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I have asked @[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:59, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::I've moved it. In general, style pages should be moved when the index is moved, just like Page-namespace pages. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 05:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Jason Beghe speech at That is Scientology! Reports from the USA]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; probably self-published}}
This speech seems out of our scope as it has not been published anywhere, only in Wikisource. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:My impression is that this is a transcription of the speech recording as published on YouTube and Vimeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smZgZPxUFV4 and https://vimeo.com/1735922. That said, it's posted by Anonymous / AboutScientology, not the organizers of the conference nor the author so it may not count as fixation if that is what you mean. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 19:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::True. I did not notice the YouTube and Vimeo videos before, but it does not make any difference: our task is not transcription of zillions of YouTube or Vimeo videos, where anybody can post practically anything (so it can be considered sort of &quot;selfpublished&quot;) and from where the uploader can delete it anytime. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:38, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Accurs'd be he that first invented war!]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted as excerpts from plays}}
This and [[The Face That Launch'd a Thousand Ships]] are excerpts from Marlowe's ''Tamburlaine'' and ''Doctor Faustus'', respectively. There is no indication of this on the pages, and I see no evidence that these were ever published as separate poems. [[User:Revolution Saga|Revolution Saga]] ([[User talk:Revolution Saga|talk]]) 10:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: A quick heads up: when nominating multiple pages, make sure you give the discussion name (roughly what you'd get by copypasting the section title) as the parameter of {{tl|delete}}, so that the template links to the correct section. I have done so for [[The Face That Launch'd a Thousand Ships]] (not for [[Accurs'd be he that first invented war!]] as {{tl|delete}} by default links to the section with the page's name). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:Follow the Angel]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; translation with non-scan-backed original}}
The main reason: the work in the Polish WS is not scanbacked, as required by [[WS:T]].

Besides, it seems to suffer serious quality problems, see its [[Translation talk:Follow the Angel|talk page]].

Also, the illustration is not part of the 1876 original given in our page as being translated.

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Letter to Commemoration of the 38th National Day of the Republic of China]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced}}
Unsourced copy.  Added in 2021 without identifying any source for the text. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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==Works==
* &quot;[[The Book of American Negro Poetry/Plácido's Sonnet to his Mother|Despedida a Mi Madre]]&quot;
** &quot;[[The Book of American Negro Poetry/Farewell to my Mother|Farewell to my Mother]]&quot; {{smaller|(translated by [[Author:William Cullen Bryant|William Cullen Bryant]])}}
** &quot;[[The Book of American Negro Poetry/Plácido's Farewell to his Mother|Plácido's Farewell to his Mother]]&quot; {{smaller|(translated by [[Author:James Weldon Johnson|James Weldon Johnson]])}}
* &quot;[[Fifty Years &amp; Other Poems/From the Spanish of Plácido|Sonnet]]&quot; {{smaller|(translated by [[Author:James Weldon Johnson|James Weldon Johnson]])}}
* &quot;[[The Black Man (Brown)/Placido#ToGod|To God{{mdash}}A Prayer]]&quot; {{smaller|(translated by &quot;A. P.&quot;)}}

==Works about Plácido==
* ''[[Placido: A Cuban Martyr]]'' by [[Author:Arturo Alfonso Schomburg|Arturo Alfonso Schomburg]] (c. 1910)
* [[The Black Man (Brown)/Placido|Placido]] in ''[[The Black Man (Brown)|The Black Man]]'' by [[Author:William Wells Brown|William Wells Brown]]

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[{{sc|Choi Yu-Won}}.—(The story of meeting his mother's ghost is reported to be of this man.)

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of the master had a very peculiar expression, and he asked him the reason of it. Yi made no reply at first, but later told his friend that a very extraordinary thing had happened. The military man who had come and called was none other than a messenger of the God of War. His coming, too, was on account of their not yet having decided in regard to the site for the Temple. &quot;He came,&quot; said Yi, &quot;to show me where it ought to be. He urged that it was not a matter for time only, but for the eternities to come. If we do not get it right the God of War will find no peace. I told him in reply that I would do my best. Was this not strange?&quot;

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 | translator = Elisabeth Pausinger Stork
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pasture, pasti, pastcjo.

patch, fliki.

path, vojeto.

pathetic, kortuSa.

patience, pacienco,

patriot, patrioto.

pattern, modelo, desegno.

pause, halteti, patzi.

pave, pavimi.

paw, picdege,

pewn, garantie doni;
soldato.

pay, pagi; salajro.

pea, pizo.

peace, paco.

peach, persiko.

peacock, pavo.

peak, pinto,

pear, puro.

pearl, perlo.

pedal, pedalo.

pedestal, picdestalo.

peel, sclo, scnseligi.

pen, plumo, skribilo.

pencil, krajono,  (slate—
grilelo; (hair-—) peniko.

fendulum, pendolo.

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'''overlook''', esplori, pardoni, malatenti.

'''overseer''', laborestro, kontrolisto, vokto.

'''overtake''', kuratingi.

'''overturn''', renversi.

'''owe''', ŝuldi.

'''owing to''', pro, kaǔze de.

'''owl''', strigo, gufo.

'''own''', propra; posedi; konfesi.

'''ox''', bovo.

'''oyster''', ostro.

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'''pad''', ŝvelaĵo, pufo; remburi.

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'''paint''', pentri, kolori; '''-brush''', peniko,

'''pair''', paro.

'''pale''', pala; malhela.

'''paling''', palisaro.

'''palm''', palmo, manplato.

'''palpitation''', korbatado.

'''pan''', tervazo. '''sauce-''', kaserolo; '''frying-''', pato.

'''pane''', vitraĵo.

'''pansy''', violo trikolora,  trikoloreto.

'''paper''', papero. '''wall-''', tapeto.

'''parable''', komparaĵo, alegorio.

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'''paragraph''', paragrafo,

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'''parliament''', parlamento.

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'''parsley''', pctrosclo.

'''parson''', pastro.

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'''party''', (''polit''.) partio; feste’aro.

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'''passage''', trairejo, vojaĝo.

'''passion''', pasio; manio; kolere

'''past''', estinta, pasinta.

'''paste''', pasto.

'''pastry''', pasteĉo.

'''pasture''', paŝti, paŝtejo.

'''patch''', fliki.

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'''pathetic''', kortuŝa.

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'''pave''', pavimi.

'''paw''', piedego.

'''pawn''', garantie doni; (che
soldato.

pay, pagi; salajro.

pea, pizo.

peace, paco.

peach, persiko.

peacock, pavo.

peak, pinto,

pear, puro.

pearl, perlo.

pedal, pedalo.

pedestal, picdestalo.

peel, sclo, scnseligi.

pen, plumo, skribilo.

pencil, krajono,  (slate—
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'''overcoat''', palto.

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'''overseer''', laborestro, kontrolisto, vokto.

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'''overturn''', renversi.

'''owe''', ŝuldi.

'''owing to''', pro, kaǔze de.

'''owl''', strigo, gufo.

'''own''', propra; posedi; konfesi.

'''ox''', bovo.

'''oyster''', ostro.

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'''pack''', paki. '''—up''', enpaki.

'''pad''', ŝvelaĵo, pufo; remburi.

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'''pail''', sitelo.

'''pain''', dolor’o, -i; igi. '''take—s''', peni

'''paint''', pentri, kolori; '''-brush''', peniko,

'''pair''', paro.

'''pale''', pala; malhela.

'''paling''', palisaro.

'''palm''', palmo, manplato.

'''palpitation''', korbatado.

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'''pane''', vitraĵo.

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'''passion''', pasio; manio; kolere

'''past''', estinta, pasinta.

'''paste''', pasto.

'''pastry''', pasteĉo.

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'''paw''', piedego.

'''pawn''', garantie doni; (''chess'') soldato.

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'''peace''', paco.

'''peach''', persiko.

'''peacock''', pavo.

'''peak''', pinto,

'''pear''', piro.

pearl, perlo.

pedal, pedalo.

pedestal, picdestalo.

peel, sclo, scnseligi.

pen, plumo, skribilo.

pencil, krajono,  (slate—
grilelo; (hair-—) peniko.

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'''overseer''', laborestro, kontrolisto, vokto.

'''overtake''', kuratingi.

'''overturn''', renversi.

'''owe''', ŝuldi.

'''owing to''', pro, kaǔze de.

'''owl''', strigo, gufo.

'''own''', propra; posedi; konfesi.

'''ox''', bovo.

'''oyster''', ostro.

{{c|'''P.'''}}

'''pack''', paki. '''—up''', enpaki.

'''pad''', ŝvelaĵo, pufo; remburi.

'''pagan''', idol’isto, -ano,

'''page''', paĝo; (''boy'') lakeeto; (''noble'') paĝio.

'''pail''', sitelo.

'''pain''', dolor’o, -i; igi. '''take—s''', peni

'''paint''', pentri, kolori; '''-brush''', peniko,

'''pair''', paro.

'''pale''', pala; malhela.

'''paling''', palisaro.

'''palm''', palmo, manplato.

'''palpitation''', korbatado.

'''pan''', tervazo. '''sauce-''', kaserolo; '''frying-''', pato.

'''pane''', vitraĵo.

'''pansy''', violo trikolora,  trikoloreto.

'''paper''', papero. '''wall-''', tapeto.

'''parable''', komparaĵo, alegorio.

'''parade''', parado, pompo.

'''paragraph''', paragrafo,

'''parchment''', pergameno.

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'''park''', parko.

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'''parsley''', pctrosclo.

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'''party''', (''polit''.) partio; feste’aro.

'''pass''', pasi, pasigi.

'''passage''', trairejo, vojaĝo.

'''passion''', pasio; manio; kolere

'''past''', estinta, pasinta.

'''paste''', pasto.

'''pastry''', pasteĉo.

'''pasture''', paŝti, paŝtejo.

'''patch''', fliki.

'''path''', vojeto.

'''pathetic''', kortuŝa.

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'''patriot''', patrioto.

'''pattern''', modelo, desegno.

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'''pave''', pavimi.

'''paw''', piedego.

'''pawn''', garantie doni; (''chess'') soldato.

'''pay''', pagi; salajro.

'''pea''', pizo.

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{{c|CHAP. IX.}}
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{{hi|Two ladies of great distinction introduced. Superior finery ever seems to confer superior breeding.}}
{{dhr}}
{{initial|M|r}}. Burchell had scarce taken leave, and Sophia consented to dance with the chaplain, when my little ones came running out to tell us that the 'Squire was come, with a crowd of company. Upon our return, we found our landlord, with a couple of under gentlemen and two young ladies richly drest, whom he introduced as women of very great distinction and fashion from town. We happened not to have chairs enough for the whole company; but Mr. Thornhill immediately proposed that every gentleman should sit in a lady's lap.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|This}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{hi|The family endeavours to cope with their betters. The miseries of the poor when they attempt to appear above their circumstances.}}
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{{di|I}} {{uc|n}}ow began to find that all my long and painful lectures upon temperance, simplicity, and contentment, were entirely disregarded. The distinctions lately paid us by our betters awaked that pride which I had laid asleep, but not removed. Our windows now again, as formerly, were filled with washes for the neck and face. The sun was dreaded as an enemy to the skin without doors, and the fire as a spoiler of the complexion within. My wife observed, that rising too early would hurt her daughter's eyes, that working after dinner would redden their noses, and convinced me that&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|the}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''I've Killed Him''}}

{{di|S}}{{sc|heriff Feeney}}, fat, florid, and with a lot of brown mustache, and district attorney Vernon, sharp-featured, aggressive, and hungry for fame, came over from the county seat. They listened to our stories, looked the ground over, and agreed with Rolly that Gabrielle Collinson had killed her husband. When Marshal Dick Cotton—a pompous, unintelligent man in his forties—returned from San Francisco, he added his vote to the others. The coroner and his jury came to the same opinion, though officially they limited themselves to the usual “person or persons unknown,” with recommendations involving the girl.

The time of Collinson’s death was placed between eight and nine o’clock Friday night. No marks not apparently caused by his fall had been found on him. The pistol found in his room had been identified as his. No fingerprints were on it. I had an idea that some of the county officials half suspected me of having seen to that, though nobody said anything of that sort. Mary Nunez stuck to her story of being kept home by chills. She had a flock of Mexican witnesses to back it up. I couldn’t find any to knock holes in it. We found no further trace of the man Whidden had seen. I tried the Bakers again, by myself, with no luck. The marshal’s wife, a frail youngish woman with a weak pretty face and nice shy manners, who worked in the telegraph&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Collinson’s father and brother came down from San Francisco. Hubert Collinson, the father, was a big calm man who looked capable of taking as many more millions out of Pacific Coast lumber as he wanted. Laurence Collinson was a year or two older than his dead brother, and much like him in appearance. Both Collinson’s were careful to say nothing that could be interpreted as suggesting they thought Gabrielle had been responsible for Eric’s death, but there was little doubt that they did think so.

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“You think Gabrielle was responsible?”

I wouldn’t go that far. I said:

“He was murdered. He was murdered by—— I told you two weeks ago that we weren’t through with that damned curse, and that the only way to get through with it was to have the Temple business sifted to the bottom.”

“Yes, I remember,” he said without quite sneering. “You advanced the theory that there was some connecting link between her parents’ deaths and the trouble she had at the Haldorns’; but, as I recall it, you had no idea what the link might be. Don’t you think that deficiency has a tendency to make your theory a little—say—vaporous?”

“Does it? Her father, step-mother, physician, and husband have been killed, one after the other, in less than two months; and her maid jailed for murder. All the people closest to her. Doesn’t that look like a program? And”—I grinned at him—“are you sure it’s not going further? And if it does, aren’t you the next closest person to her?”

“Preposterous!” He was very much annoyed now. “We know about her parents’ deaths, and about Riese’s, and that there was no link between them. We know that those responsible for Riese’s murder are now either dead or in prison. There’s no getting around that. It’s simply preposterous to say there are links between one and another of these crimes when we know there’s none.”
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“Not a single person so far as I know.”

“Suppose she died? Who'd get the estate?”

“I don’t know. There are distant relations in England or France, I dare say.”

“That doesn’t get us very far,” I growled. “Anyway, nobody’s tried to kill her. It’s her friends who get the knock-off.”

The lawyer reminded me sourly that we couldn’t say that nobody had tried to kill her—or had succeeded—until we found her. I couldn’t argue with him about that. Her trail still ended where the eucalyptus tree had stopped the Chrysler.

I gave him a piece of advice before he left:

“Whatever you believe, there’s no sense in your taking unnecessary chances: remember that there might be a program, and you might be next on it. It won’t hurt to be careful.”

He didn’t thank me. He suggested, unpleasantly, that doubtless I thought he should hire private detectives to guard him.

Madison Andrews had offered a thousand-dollar reward for information leading to discovery of the girl’s whereabouts. Hubert Collinson had offered another thousand, with an additional twenty-five hundred for the arrest and conviction of his son’s murderer. Half the population of the county had turned bloodhound. Anywhere you went you found men walking, or even&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Her photographs had been distributed and published widely. The newspapers, from San Diego to Vancouver, gave us a tremendous play, whooping it up in all the colored ink they had. All the San Francisco and Los Angeles Continental operatives who could be pulled off other jobs were checking Quesada’s exits, hunting, questioning, finding nothing. Radio broadcasters helped. The police everywhere, all the agency’s branches, were stirred up.

And by Monday all this hubbub had brought us exactly nothing.

Monday afternoon I went back to San Francisco and told all my troubles to the Old Man. He listened politely, as if to some moderately interesting story that didn’t concern him personally, smiled his meaningless smile, and, instead of any assistance, gave me his pleasantly expressed opinion that I'd eventually succeed in working it all out to a satisfactory conclusion.

Then he told me that Fitzstephan had phoned, trying to get in touch with me. “It may be important. He would have gone down to Quesada to find you if I hadn’t told him I expected you.”

I called Fitzstephan’s number.

“Come up,” he said. “I’ve got something. I don’t know whether it’s a fresh puzzle, or the key to a puzzle; but it’s something.”

I rode up Nob Hill on a cable car and was in his apartment within fifteen minutes.
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“Any trace of Gabrielle yet?” he asked.

“No. But spring the puzzle. Don’t be literary with me, building up to climaxes and the like. I’m too crude for that—it’d only give me a bellyache. Just spread it out for me.”

“You'll always be what you are,” he said, trying to seem disappointed and disgusted, but not suceeeding because he was—inwardly—too excited over something. “Somebody—a man—called me up early Saturday morning—half-past one—on the phone, He asked: ‘Is this Fitzstephan?’ I said: ‘Yes;’ and then the voice said: ‘Well, I’ve killed him.’ He said it just like that, I’m sure of those exact words, though they weren’t very clear. There was a lot of noise on the line, and the voice seemed distant.

“I didn’t know who it was—what he was talking about. I asked: ‘Killed who? Who is this?’ I couldn’t understand any of his answer except the word ‘money.’ He said something about money, repeating it several times, but I could understand only that one word. There were some people here—the Marquards, Laura Joines with some man she’d brought, Ted and Sue Van Slack—and we had been in the middle of a literary free-for-all. I had a wisecrack on my tongue—something about Cabell being a romanticist in the same sense that the wooden horse was Trojan—and didn’t want to be robbed of my opportunity to deliver it by this drunken joker, or whoever he was, on the phone. I couldn’t make heads or tails of what he was saying, so I hung up and went back to my guests.
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“Any trace of Gabrielle yet?” he asked.

“No. But spring the puzzle. Don’t be literary with me, building up to climaxes and the like. I’m too crude for that—it’d only give me a bellyache. Just spread it out for me.”

“You'll always be what you are,” he said, trying to seem disappointed and disgusted, but not succeeding because he was—inwardly—too excited over something. “Somebody—a man—called me up early Saturday morning—half-past one—on the phone, He asked: ‘Is this Fitzstephan?’ I said: ‘Yes;’ and then the voice said: ‘Well, I’ve killed him.’ He said it just like that, I’m sure of those exact words, though they weren’t very clear. There was a lot of noise on the line, and the voice seemed distant.

“I didn’t know who it was—what he was talking about. I asked: ‘Killed who? Who is this?’ I couldn’t understand any of his answer except the word ‘money.’ He said something about money, repeating it several times, but I could understand only that one word. There were some people here—the Marquards, Laura Joines with some man she’d brought, Ted and Sue Van Slack—and we had been in the middle of a literary free-for-all. I had a wisecrack on my tongue—something about Cabell being a romanticist in the same sense that the wooden horse was Trojan—and didn’t want to be robbed of my opportunity to deliver it by this drunken joker, or whoever he was, on the phone. I couldn’t make heads or tails of what he was saying, so I hung up and went back to my guests.
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He took an envelope from his pocket and tossed it over to me. It was a cheap and shiny white envelope of the kind you can buy anywhere. Its corners were dark and curled, as if it had been carried in a pocket for some time. Fitzstephan’s name and address had been printed on it, with a hard pencil, by someone who was a rotten printer, or who wanted to be thought so. It was postmarked San Francisco, nine o’clock Saturday morning. Inside was a soiled and crookedly torn piece of brown wrapping paper, with one sentence—as poorly printed with pencil as the address—on it:

{{block center|{{asc|ANY BODY THAT WANTS MRS. CARTER CAN HAVE SAME BY PAYING $10000{{ld}}}}|width=18em}}

There was no date, no salutation, no signature.

“She was seen driving away alone as late as seven Saturday morning,” I said. “This was mailed here, eighty miles away, in time to be postmarked at nine—taken from the box in the first morning collection, say. That’s one to get wrinkles over. But even that’s not as&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“It is funny and it isn’t,” Fitzstephan replied. His lean face was eager. “There may be a point of light there. You know I recommended Quesada to Collinson, having spent a couple of months there last spring finishing ''The Wall of Ashdod'', and gave him a card to a real estate dealer named Rolly—the deputy sheriff’s father—there, introducing him as Eric Carter. A native of Quesada might not know she was Gabrielle Collinson, née Leggett. In that case he wouldn’t know how to reach her people except through me, who had sent her and her husband there. So the letter is sent to me, but starts off ''Anybody that'', to be passed on to the interested persons.”

“A native might have done that,” I said slowly; “or a kidnapper who wanted us to think he was a native, didn’t want us to think he knew the Collinsons.”

“Exactly. And as far as I know none of the natives knew my address here.”

“How about Rolly?”

“Not unless Collinson gave it to him. I simply scribbled the introduction on the back of a card.”

“Said anything to anybody else about the phone call and this letter?” I asked.

“I mentioned the call to the people who were here Friday night—when I thought it was a joke or a mistake. I haven’t shown this to anybody else. In fact,” he said, “I was a little doubtful about showing it at all—and still am. Is it going to make trouble for me?”

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“Shall we go now?”

“I’m going back tonight. Meet me at the Sunset Hotel there in the morning. That'll give me time to work on the officials—so they won't throw you in the dungeon on sight.”

I went back to the agency and put in a Quesada call. I couldn’t get hold of Vernon or the sheriff, but Cotton was reachable. I gave him the information I had got from Fitzstephan, promising to produce the novelist for questioning the next morning.

The marshal said the search for the girl was still going on without results. Reports had come in that she had been seen—practically simultaneously—in Los Angeles, Eureka, Carson City, Denver, Portland, Tijuana, Ogden, San Jose, Vancouver, Porterville, and Hawaii. All except the most ridiculous reports were being run out.

The telephone company could tell me that Owen Fitzstephan’s Saturday morning phone-call had not been a long distance call, and that nobody in Quesada had called a San Francisco number either Friday night or Saturday morning.

Before I left the agency I visited the Old Man again, asking him if he would try to persuade the district attorney to turn Aaronia Haldorn and Tom Fink loose on bail.

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The Old Man promised to do his best, and to put an operative behind each of our suspects if they were sprung.

I went over to Madison Andrews’ office. When I had told him about Fitzstephan’s messages, and had given him our explanation of them, the lawyer nodded his bony white-thatched head and said:

“And whether that’s the true explanation or not, the county authorities will now have to give up their absurd theory that Gabrielle killed her husband.”

I shook my head sidewise.

“What?” he asked explosively.

“They’re going to think the messages were cooked up to clear her,” I predicted.

“Is that what you think?” His jaws got lumpy in front of his ears, and his tangled eyebrows came down over his eyes.

“I hope they weren’t,” I said; “because if it’s a trick it’s a damned childish one.”

“How could it be?” he demanded loudly. “Don’t talk nonsense. None of us knew anything then. The body hadn’t been found when—”

“Yeah,” I agreed; “and that’s why, if it turns out to have been a stunt, it’ll hang Gabrielle.”

“I don’t understand you,” he said disagreeably. “One minute you’re talking about somebody persecuting the girl, and the next minute you’re talking as if you thought she was the murderer. Just what do you think?”

“Both can be true,” I replied, no less disagreeably.
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“What I’m going to do is increase the reward for her recovery, with an additional reward for the arrest of her abductor.”

“That’s the wrong play,” I said. “Enough reward money has been posted. The only way to handle a kidnapping is to come across. I don’t like it any more than you do, but it’s the only way. Uncertainty, nervousness, fear, disappointment, can turn even a mild kidnapper into a maniac. Buy the girl free, and then do your fighting. Pay what’s asked when it’s asked.”

He tugged at his ragged mustache, his jaw set obstinately, his eyes worried. But the jaw won out.

“I’m damned if I’ll knuckle down,” he said.

“That’s your business.” I got up and reached for my hat. “Mine’s finding Collinson’s murderer, and having her killed is more likely to help me than not.”

He didn’t say anything.

I went down to Hubert Collinson’s office. He wasn’t in, but I told Laurence Collinson my story, winding up:

“Will you urge your father to put up the money? And to have it ready to pass over as soon as the kidnapper’s instructions come?”

“It won’t be necessary to urge him,” he said immediately. “Of course we shall pay whatever is required to ensure her safety.”
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Fired from the west, far on a hill, the towers.
Thither he made, and blew the gateway horn.
Then came an old, dumb, myriad-wrinkled man,
Who let him into lodging and disarm'd.
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With two strong sons, Sir Torre and Sir Lavaine,
Moving to meet him in the castle court;
And close behind them stept the lily maid
Elaine, his daughter: mother of the house
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Livest between the lips? for by thy state
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After the King, who eat in Arthur's halls.
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Blank, or at least with some device not mine.&quot;

{{em}}Then said the Lord of Astolat, &quot;Here is Torre's:
Hurt in his first tilt was my son, Sir Torre.
And so, God wot, his shield is blank enough.
His ye can have.&quot; Then added plain Sir Torre,
&quot;Yea, since I cannot use it, ye may have it.&quot;
Here laugh'd the father saying, &quot;Fie, Sir Churl,
Is that an answer for a noble knight?
Allow him! but Lavaine, my younger here,
He is so full of lustihood, he will ride,
Joust for it, and win, and bring it in an hour,
And set it in this damsel's golden hair,
To make her thrice as wilful as before.&quot;

{{em}}&quot;Nay, father, nay good father, shame me not
Before this noble knight,&quot; said young Lavaine,
&quot;For nothing. Surely I but play'd on Torre:
He seem'd so sullen, vext he could not go:
A jest, no more! for, knight, the maiden dreamt
That some one put this diamond in her hand,
And that it was too slippery to be held,
And slipt and fell into some pool or stream,
The castle-well, belike; and then I said
That ''if'' I went and ''if'' I fought and won it
(But all was jest and joke among ourselves)
Then must she keep it safelier. All was jest.
But, father, give me leave, an if he will,
To rid to Camelot with this noble knight:}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Young as I am, yet would I do my best.&quot;

{{em}}&quot;So ye will grace me,&quot; answer'd Lancelot,
Smiling a moment, &quot;with your fellowship
O'er these waste downs whereon I lost myself,
Then were I glad of you as guide and friend:
And you shall win this diamond,—as I hear
It is a fair large diamond,—if ye may,
And yield it to this maiden, if ye will.&quot;
&quot;A fair large diamond,&quot; added plain Sir Torre,
&quot;Such be for queens, and not for simple maids.&quot;
Then she, who held her eyes upon the ground,
Elaine, and heard her name so tost about,
Flush'd slightly at the slight disparagement
Before the stranger knight, who, looking at her,
Full courtly, yet not falsely, thus return'd:
&quot;If what is fair be but for what is fair,
And only queens are to be counted so,
Rash were my judgment then, who deem this maid
Might wear as fair a jewel as is on earth,
Not violating the bond of like to like.&quot;

{{em}}He spoke and ceased: the lily maid Elaine,
Won by the mellow voice before she look'd,
Lifted her eyes, and read his lineaments.
The great and guilty love he bare the Queen,
In battle with the love he bare his lord,
Had marr'd his face, and mark'd it ere his time.
Another sinning on such heights with one,
The flower of all the west and all the world,}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rh||TO THE PEOPLE|143}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;top&quot;/&gt;VI. This policy to which, cost it what it may, I shall hold fast, is not mine alone, but it is also the policy of an ever-increasing proportion of the people in Germany and of the other belligerent and neutral States. It will soon become, as I hope—and to this end I am resolved to toil on—the policy of the working-class of all countries, which will then possess the power to break the imperialistic will of the ruling classes, and to shape as may seem best the mutual relations and conditions of the people for the benefit of all mankind.

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== [[Index:Writings of Halle Tanner Dillon Johnson]] ==

This seems to be two separate documents. 

The first page is also at [[Index:Letter to Clara Marshall from Halle T. Dillon page 1.jpg]] which is taken from Commons. I don't know if the second page is there. 

The other two pages are a different document which seems to be incomplete. I am not clear of the source of that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Why do the rules have varying thickness, despite using the same template? ==

Why do the rules have varying thickness, despite using the same template? It seems to depend on what text is before or after it.  See: [[The Bergen Record/1935/Teaneck Driver Held In Bogota On 3 Charges]]. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:You mean the three under the headings ? They look the same to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Likewise, I see no difference.  It may be your browser. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:06, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
* Thanks! It must be my browser, when I view at 125% they are of different thicknesses, but you are right at 100% they are the same.  --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

==Mainspacing an index==
Anyone want to help me mainspace [[Index:Journal of proceedings of the eleventh annual session of the Worthy Grand Lodge, of the Order of British Templars, of New Brunswick.pdf]]? Not sure titles/issues/etc - Canadiana.ca has 8 of the 13 annual reports; this is #11. [[User:Fundy Isles Historian - J|Fundy Isles Historian - J]] ([[User talk:Fundy Isles Historian - J|talk]]) 05:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Changes to [[template:sisterprojects]] ==

Noting that I just:
* added Wikifunctions; as that's a Wikimedia project like the others already listed;
* added MediaWiki, as it's also a WMF-hosted community project;
* removed foundationwiki, as that is not editable and not a community project.
(Addition of [[f:]] requested by @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]].)

I think these changes are uncontroversial, but as one of them was previously declined 2 years ago, I'm announcing here so that there are no surprises, and for any possible discussion of these changes to be centralised. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, seems reasonable. It would probably also be nice to have actual text like &quot;Wikispecies&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;free species directory&quot;, but at least actually linking all the sister projects is a good start. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-19 ==

&lt;section begin=&quot;technews-2025-W19&quot;/&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Wikimedia Foundation has shared the latest draft update to their [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|annual plan]] for next year (July 2025–June 2026). This includes an [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|executive summary]] (also on [[diffblog:2025/04/25/sharing-the-wikimedia-foundations-2025-2026-draft-annual-plan/|Diff]]), details about the three main [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals|goals]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product &amp; Technology OKRs|Infrastructure]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Volunteer Support|Volunteer Support]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Effectiveness|Effectiveness]]), [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Global Trends|global trends]], and the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Budget Overview|budget]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Financial Model|financial model]]. Feedback and questions are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|talk page]] until the end of May.

'''Updates for editors'''
* For wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]], two new feature improvements have been released:
** Admins can now choose which namespaces are permitted for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] via [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Permitted namespaces|documentation]]). The default setup is for event registration to be permitted in the Event namespace, but other namespaces (such as the project namespace or WikiProject namespace) can now be added. With this change, communities like WikiProjects can now more easily use Event Registration for their collaborative activities.
** Editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Transclusion|transclude]] the Collaboration List on a wiki page ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Collaboration list/Transclusion|documentation]]). The Collaboration List is an automated list of events and WikiProjects on the wikis, accessed via {{#special:AllEvents}} ([[w:en:Special:AllEvents|example]]). Now, the Collaboration List can be added to all sorts of wiki pages, such as: a wiki mainpage, a WikiProject page, an affiliate page, an event page, or even a user page.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Developers who use the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;moment&lt;/code&gt; library in gadgets and user scripts should revise their code to use alternatives like the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;Intl&lt;/code&gt; library or the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mediawiki.DateFormatter&lt;/code&gt; library. The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;moment&lt;/code&gt; library has been deprecated and will begin to log messages in the developer console. You can see a global search for current uses, and [[phab:T392532|ask related questions in this Phabricator task]].
* Developers who maintain a tool that queries the Wikidata term store tables (&lt;code dir=ltr style=&quot;white-space: nowrap;&quot;&gt;wbt_*&lt;/code&gt;) need to update their code to connect to a separate database cluster. These tables are being split into a separate database cluster. Tools that query those tables via the wiki replicas must be adapted to connect to the new cluster instead. [[wikitech:News/2025 Wikidata term store database split|Documentation and related links are available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390954]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.28|MediaWiki]]

'''In depth'''
* The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on preparing to expand the deployment to additional wikis as soon as this week (starting May 6) and scaling up over the following weeks, plus exploring filtering and transforming source data.

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== Is possible to add txt files on Wikisource? ==

I need to upload complete works in Tibetan (in .txt format) to Wikisource, but I currently lack the technical skills to do so beyond adding basic transcription text. Could you kindly guide me through the process in a simple and clear step-by-step manner? through Wikimedia common or any other methods? [[User:TaDhondup|TaDhondup]] ([[User talk:TaDhondup|talk]]) 03:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:If you mean to English Wikisource, then I would like to point out that English Wikisource hosts only ''previously published'' works ''written in English''. Unfortunately, it seems there is no Tibetan Wikisource, so Tibetan texts might be hosted in the [[:mul:Main_Page|multilingual Wikisource]], see e. g. [[:mul:Category:Tibetan]]. I do not know much about mul: processes, but usually it is recommended to upload files to [[c:Main_Page|Commons]], and then [[Help:Proofread|proofread]] it. The text of the document has to be in public domain or released under some accepted free licence, see [[Help:Licensing compatibility]]. Accepted textual formats of the uploaded files are .pdf and .djvu per [[c:Commons:File_types#Textual formats]]. Pinging also [[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]], who is the mul.ws admin and might be able to give more advice. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:01, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advices and I got a solution to so. Appreciate lots [[User:TaDhondup|TaDhondup]] ([[User talk:TaDhondup|talk]]) 03:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

''(Apologies for posting in English)''

Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Page styles are not automatically applied in the Main namespace ==

[[Help:Page styles#Where the CSS is applied]] says that Index page styles are applied &quot;On the transcluding page when pages are transcluded using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;page/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; [''sic''] tag&quot;, but this is not happening in practice. I noticed this when using the page styles to target the &lt;code&gt;.references&lt;/code&gt; class, which works for [[Page:What's the Difference?.pdf/3]] but not for [[What's the Difference?]]. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: The style ''is'' applied; the issue is that the &quot;automatic&quot; references, when no reflist is included, appear outside of the content (&lt;code&gt;.mw-parser-output&lt;/code&gt;); and templatestyles is limited to inside &lt;code&gt;.mw-parser-output&lt;/code&gt;.
: So adding {{tl|reflist}} should do the trick. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Placing {{tl|reflist}} on the [[Page:What's the Difference?.pdf/9|very last page]] works. Going forward, I will do this instead of placing it in the Main namespace to make transclusion easier. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 14:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The discussion about page styles is interesting, but in this specific case is there any advantage to styling {{tl|reflist}} instead of just using {{tl|smallrefs}} in the main page? [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Not really, it's just a matter of style. IMO, it's better to put as much as can be put inside the Page namespace, and we shouldn't treat references differently compared to, say, sizing templates. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 22:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

== WS-EXport broke? ==

Apologies for raising as people probably already know, it seems that WS Export is hanging (tested on LA and EN). Others [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392768 reporting the same at Phabricator]. [[User:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[User talk:JimKillock|talk]]) 16:09, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Do you mean using the Download button ? I have had problems with that - I thought that it was just my poor internet connection - but find that if I try several times, eventually it works. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:: Aside from the slowness, it actually breaks every once in a while and needs to be restarted; due to scrapers. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Life, Studies and Works of Benjamin West.djvu]] not loading properly ==

I've added an index through (what I thought was) the normal process, but it isn't correctly loading the pages and says &quot;Error:Invalid Interval.&quot; I haven't done this in a while, so maybe I forgot something, but wanted to ask because I'm lost. [[User:Packer1028|Packer1028]] ([[User talk:Packer1028|talk]]) 02:29, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:Purged and should be fixed. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
: (This is a known issue with file caching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks to both of you! [[User:Packer1028|Packer1028]] ([[User talk:Packer1028|talk]]) 16:06, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-20 ==

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* The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|&quot;Get shortened URL&quot;]] link on the sidebar now includes a [[phab:T393309|QR code]]. Wikimedia site users can now use it by scanning or downloading it to quickly share and access shared content from Wikimedia sites, conveniently.

'''Updates for editors'''
* The Wikimedia Foundation is working on a system called [[m:Edge Uniques|Edge Uniques]], which will enable [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B testing]], help protect against [[w:en:Denial-of-service attack|distributed denial-of-service attacks]] (DDoS attacks), and make it easier to understand how many visitors the Wikimedia sites have. This is to help more efficiently build tools which help readers, and make it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. Tech News has [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|previously written about this]]. The deployment will be gradual. Some might see the Edge Uniques cookie the week of 19 May. You can discuss this on the [[m:Talk:Edge Uniques|talk page]].
* Starting May 19, 2025, Event organisers in wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] enabled can use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] in the project namespace (e.g., Wikipedia namespace, Wikidata namespace). With this change, communities don't need admins to use the feature. However, wikis that don't want this change can remove and add the permitted namespaces at [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/CampaignEvents]].
* The Wikipedia project now has a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q36720|Nupe]] ([[w:nup:|&lt;code&gt;w:nup:&lt;/code&gt;]]). This is a language primarily spoken in the North Central region of Nigeria. Speakers of this language are invited to contribute to [[w:nup:Tatacin feregi|new Wikipedia]].
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* Developers can now access pre-parsed Dutch Wikipedia, amongst others (English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese) through the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/docs/snapshot/#structured-contents-snapshot-bundle-info-beta Structured Contents snapshots (beta)]. The content includes parsed Wikipedia abstracts, descriptions, main images, infoboxes, article sections, and references.
* The &lt;code dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;/page/data-parsoid&lt;/code&gt; REST API endpoint is no longer in use and will be deprecated. It is [[phab:T393557|scheduled to be turned off]] on June 7, 2025.
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* The [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/2025_Cloud_VPS_VXLAN_IPv6_migration IPv6 support] is a newly introduced Cloud virtual network that significantly boosts Wikimedia platforms' scalability, security, and readiness for the future. If you are a technical contributor eager to learn more, check out [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2025/05/06/wikimedia-cloud-vps-ipv6-support/ this blog post] for an in-depth look at the journey to IPv6.

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* The 2nd edition of 2025 of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Afrika Baraza|Afrika Baraza]], a virtual platform for African Wikimedians to connect, will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1747328400 May 15 at 17:00 UTC]. This edition will focus on discussions regarding [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|Wikimedia Annual planning and progress]].
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== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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{{c|CHAPTER XI}}
{{c|{{asc|The Man Who Played Dead}}}}
{{uc|{{di|L}}ooking}} out across Bonito Valley a few miles west of Lincoln, a quaint adobe farmhouse stands to day on a shelf of land at the foot of tall hills from whose slopes the winds bring the fragrance of piñon. Fields of wheat, oats, and alfalfa spread to the little river which here loiters in lazy loops and still pools. Cattle and sheep graze in the pastures. Orchards hang heavy with apples, pears, plums, and peaches. Within a few yards of the farmhouse door, a brimming asequia sings a song of peace.

This is the home of Ygenio Salazar who by miracle is alive to-day to tell of the bold ruse that saved his life in the great adventure in Lincoln nearly a half century ago. A cheery, gravely courteous man, he is well past threescore and ten, with iron-gray hair and moustache, and tall, broad shouldered frame that suggests power that must have been his in his younger years.

&quot;Billy the Kid,&quot; said Salazar, &quot;was the bravest fellow I ever knew. All through the three-days' battle he was as cool and cheerful as if he were playing a game instead of fighting for his life. When it began to look as if we should all be killed, the other men stood about silent, with long faces, hopeless. But not the Kid. He was light-hearted, gay, smiling all the time. 'You look ''muy contento'',' Chavez y Chavez said to him with a sort of resentment. 'Well, why not?' answered the Kid. 'No use getting excited.'

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{{c|{{asc|HAIR-TRIGGER PEACE}}}}

{{di|H}}{{uc|atreds}} die hard, and peace came slowly. The peace that began tentatively to settle over Lincoln was like a hair-trigger, innocuous in itself but needing only the slightest pressure of a finger to render it deadly. 

Murphy was not alive to enjoy the triumph of his faction. He died in Santa Fé shortly before the battle which ended McSween’s life and hope of power at one blow. It was perhaps as well so. The war had ruined Murphy. His properties had been mortgaged to pay his fighting men. His creditors closed out his cattle ranch, his merchandising business, and his hotel, and the Big Store became the courthouse. Lord of the Mountains in his time, rich, wielding immense power, he died practically penniless.
 
But the war had also wrecked the financial fortunes of 
McSween. He left little to his widow but a heritage of 
hate. The vendetta, in fact, had swept over all Lincoln 
County like a pestilence, leaving ruin and desolation in 
its wake. Families had been impoverished, farms had 
remained untilled, business had come to a standstill. 
General bankruptcy was the price paid for rapine and 
murder. With Murphy and McSween both dead, their 
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&quot;Here comes the Kid,&quot; remarked Juan Patron. 

Governor Wallace was moved to quick interest. He viewed the picturesque figure of the young outlaw with fixed attention. The Kid carried a rifle across his saddlebows, and if the governor's eves had been keen enough, they might have noted that the gun was cocked. The Kid had ridden into Lincoln from the west by the Fort Stanton road and came on at a running walk past the Murphy store, headquarters of his enemies, without so much as turning his head to glance at a group of men lounging there who eyed him with cold hatred. Having hitched his horse in front of the Ellis House, he walked briskly up the path to the porch, his rifle in his hand, his six-shooter at his belt. Governor Wallace rose.
 
&quot;So you are Billy the Kid,&quot; said the governor to the outlaw.
 
&quot;I am,&quot; said the outlaw to the governor. 

The two men shook hands. In appearance they were as much alike as a drawing room and a corral. Veteran of the Mexican and Civil wars, author, statesman, and diplomat, Governor Wallace had an air of scholarly distinction which his pince-nez glasses served to emphasize. His face was intellectual, his hair, moustache, and imperial, iron-gray. Over against this figure of the polished gentleman was the sunburned youth with lean, hard face, shrewd, cold eyes, a red bandanna knotted around his neck, and tricked out in spruce new cowboy trappings. 

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Most of the men who fought in the Lincoln County war have been sleeping peacefully in their graves for years. Riley was in business in Las Cruces for a time and then moved to Colorado, where he died in prosperous circumstances. John Copeland, the McSween sheriff, died in 1902. &quot;Dad&quot; Peppin, the Murphy sheriff, continued to live in Lincoln until his death in 1905. William Brady, Sheriff Brady's eldest son, was living on a ranch in Bonito Cañon in 1924. Bob Brady, another son, was jailer at Lincoln for several years. Josefina Brady, who married Florencio Chavez, died in Lincoln a few years ago. Billy Matthews moved to Roswell, where he was postmaster in
Dolan bought the old McSween store from Tom Larue and ran it for five years, living in a residence he built across the street which is now the Bonito Inn. He also purchased the old Tunstall ranch on the Rio Feliz and continued in the cattle business. The tragic associations of these two places, once owned by men whom he had hounded out of life, weighed nothing with him. Dolan was of iron stuff and not afraid of ghosts. After his marriage to a daughter of the Fritz family, he moved to Las Cruces, where he became registrar of the Land Office.
He died in Roswell and was buried in the little family cemetery on the Fritz ranch.
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{{c|{{asc|A STRANGER FROM THE PANHANDLE}}}}

{{di|D}}OWN from the mesa lands, by the Texas road,  three weather-beaten men rode into old Fort Sumner on a February day in 1878. Across their pommels rested long buffalo rifles; frying-pans and certain other cooking utensils clanked from their cantles; and their lean shaggy ponies looked as if they were not on speaking terms with oats or curry combs.  

There was some mention of grub among them as soon as they had picketed their ponies by the Pecos River. Wherefore they searched their pockets carefully and fished up one dollar and thirty-five cents in nickels and dimes. They strolled into town where appetizing odours from a restaurant saluted their nostrils. 

&quot;Ham and eggs!&quot;  

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{{c|{{asc|MEALS FIFTY CENTS}}}}

They sighted at the sign from all angles. But the fatal words remained coldly immutable. They counted their nickels and dimes again. But no miracle happened. They laughed in one another’s face with good-humoured hopelessness and invested their finances in a piece of side&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|167}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I remember over in Alamogordo once I saw a man I
wanted. His offense was not serious and I didn't look
for any trouble in taking him. I stepped up to him and,
tapping him on the arm, told him he was under arrest.
But that fellow, thinking I was unarmed, my gun being
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and ranted and swore and abused me something scandal-
Dus. I took it for a minute. It had been a long time
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didn't want to kill him. Says I to myself, 'Pat, you must
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'It's all right, old man,' he said as meek as a lamb, ‘but
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&quot;Well,&quot; concludes Old Man Foor, shooting a stream of tobacco smoke out into the sunshine, &quot;the Kid was a bad feller; I ain't disputin' that. But he made considerable history in New Mexico as long as his trigger finger held out. I wouldn't say the kind of history he made entitled him to no monument, but it does seem to me that a fellow that raised as much hell as he did in early days deserves some kind of a marker over his last resting place. It don't have to be a equestrian statue nor nothing big and fine. Just a plain little slab of gray granite would do. If they don't hurry up and put up some kind of stone the site of his grave will be lost. The old-timers who know where it is are dying off mighty fast these days.&quot;

Romance weaves no magic glamour in this Hell's Half-Acre where the Kid sleeps his last sleep. From this coign of disillusion one sees his tragic life in stark perspective, crowded with outlawry, vendetta, hatreds, murders; twenty-one dead men like ghostly mile posts marking his brief journey of twenty-one years, a journey that through all the twists and turns of its crimson trail marched inevitably toward this lozenge of cactus-shadowed desolation.

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{{&quot; '}}God rest his soul,' said Pat. 'If it wasn't him sleeping here it might be me. He would have killed me if I hadn't killed him.{{' &quot;}}

Old Man Foor tamps some plug-cut into his pipe and, lighting a match on the seat of his trousers, gets a smoke under way with a few resounding puffs.

&quot;There was once some talk about erectin' a monument over the Kid's grave,&quot; he resumes. &quot;Somebody tried to start a public subscription. But people in New Mexico seemed scandalized. 'Why, he killed twenty-one men,' they said. 'Contribute to a monument for such a terrible desperado? Not on your life.' So the scheme fell through. Then I heard talk of Frank Coe settin' up a tombstone. He was a great friend of the Kid, and he's pretty well off now and could afford to do it if he wanted to. But he ain't made no special move in that direction yet that I know of. Anyway, the Kid's grave is still unmarked.&quot;

Old Man Foor pulls reflectively at his white moustache.

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You look closely, curiously, at the sun-drawn skiagraph. The resemblance is unmistakable. The weird shape startles you. Can it be the thing has some cryptic, fathomless meaning? What are those long, bony fingers reaching for? Who knows? But there it is clearly sketched in the hard yellow clay-a skeleton hand, reaching … reaching .…

&quot;I reckon if you dug down under there, you wouldn't find much of the Kid left,&quot; says Old Man Foor. &quot;It's more than forty years since they put him away. You might, maybe, find his skull. They say the skull goes last. The Kid used to have buck teeth that made him look like he was laughin' when he wasn't. And like as not, his buck teeth make his skull look like it's laughin' yet. It kind o' gives you the creeps to think of him down there under the earth still laughin'.&quot;

Foor takes a few steps toward the north.

&quot;Bowdre's grave is here,&quot; he says, &quot;and O'Folliard's here at the other end of the row. Them three fellers was pals in life and they're pals in death. There wouldn't be no finding the graves they sleep in unless you knew where to look. There's mighty few people left alive who know exactly where Billy the Kid's grave is. There's Mrs. Paulita Jaramillo, who was Paulita Maxwell when she was a girl—she knows; and Francisco Medina, who dug the grave; and Deluvina Maxwell, the old Navajo woman who lives with the family of Don Manuel Abreu; and myself. I reckon that's about all. There was once a path running through the centre of the cemetery from north to south, and the Kid's grave was three feet west of this path and thirty-one steps from the gate. I knew&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Old Man Foor looks at the gate to get his bearings, walks a little distance, as by a compass, and halts. With a knotted forefinger he points down to a strip of flat, yellow, sun-cracked earth that is strangely bare.

&quot;This is the spot,&quot; says the old man. &quot;Under this strip of baked clay lies Billy the Kid.&quot;

The bare space is perhaps the length of a man's body. Salt grass grows in a mat all around it, but queerly enough stops short at the edges and not a blade sprouts upon it. A Spanish gourd vine with ghostly gray pointed leaves stretches its trailing length toward the blighted spot but, within a few inches of its margin, veers sharply off to one side as if with conscious purpose to avoid contagion. Perfectly bare the space is except for a shoot of prickly pear that crawls across it like a green snake; a gnarled, bristly, heat-cursed desert cactus crawling like a snake across the heart of Billy the Kid.

&quot;It's always bare like this,&quot; says Old Man Foor, standing back from the spot as if half-afraid of some inexplicable contamination. &quot;I don't know why. Grass or nothin' else won't grow on it—that's all. You might almost think there's poison in the ground.&quot;

Narrow cracks made by the blistering sun have outlined on the hard yellow surface the crude suggestion of a picture.

&quot;If you stand at a certain angle,&quot; says Foor, &quot;them cracks look a little like a skeleton hand. Stand over here. See? Can you make it out? Them four lines there look like a dead man's long, crooked fingers reachin' out for&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Old Man Foor knocks the dottle of tobacco out of his pipe against the heel of his boot.

&quot;Of the twelve men who was killed,&quot; he goes on, &quot;two was Mexicans, one a Negro soldier who had deserted from the army, and the other nine white men. Maybe I can remember 'em—le'me see. There was Billy the Kid, Charlie Bowdre, and Tom O'Folliard; they're buried together in a row. There was George Peacock, killed by a fellow named White. Then Felipe Beaubien. They said he was killed while tryin' to hold up Felipe Holtman's store, but I never believed that; I think it was plain murder. Francisco Gallego, killed by Tom Moran, a cow-puncher, was another. And John Legg, a saloon keeper. John Farris, killed by Barney Mason, is buried here, too. Joe Grant, killed by Billy the Kid in José Valdez's saloon, lies just a few feet from the man who killed him. That's nine. The Negro deserter makes ten. I forget who the other two were. They were all killed in old Fort Sumner.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Old Man Foor knocks the dottle of tobacco out of his pipe against the heel of his boot.

&quot;Of the twelve men who was killed,&quot; he goes on, &quot;two was Mexicans, one a Negro soldier who had deserted from the army, and the other nine white men. Maybe I can remember 'em—le'me see. There was Billy the Kid, Charlie Bowdre, and Tom O'Folliard; they're buried together in a row. There was George Peacock, killed by a fellow named White. Then Felipe Beaubien. They said he was killed while tryin' to hold up Felipe Holtman's store, but I never believed that; I think it was plain murder. Francisco Gallego, killed by Tom Moran, a cow-puncher, was another. And John Legg, a saloon keeper. John Farris, killed by Barney Mason, is buried here, too. Joe Grant, killed by Billy the Kid in José Valdez's saloon, lies just a few feet from the man who killed him. That's nine. The Negro deserter makes ten. I forget who the other two were. They were all killed in old Fort Sumner.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Right here,&quot; Old Man Foor is saying as he pokes a finger into the atmosphere at a level with his breast, &quot;was where Pat Garrett's bullet buried itself in the west wall after passing through the Kid's heart. When Pete Maxwell hired me to fix up the old house, I covered the bullet hole under a new coat of wall paper.&quot;

Billy the Kid lies buried in what it is easy to fancy is the dreariest little cemetery in all the world. A quarter of 2 mile from the spot at which he met death is a half-acre of half-desert land enclosed by a barbed-wire fence. It might pass at a glance for an abandoned cattle corral. The flat ground is sparsely covered with salt grass, bunch-grass, prickly pear, sagebrush, greasewood, and Spanish gourd. Here and there are half-wrecked paling enclosures about neglected graves; here and there, broken, mouldering crosses half fallen or leaning at crazy angles. In the summer sunshine, the place looks God-forsaken; a mocking bird singing happily on a fence post fails to relieve its grimness. On a leaden day of cold rain, it is the concentrated essence of loneliness and desolation. When winds are asweep through the Pecos Valley, they whimper and moan in the barbed-wire fence like troubled ghosts.

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Between the river and the old parade ground is the site of the old Maxwell home. Its adobe foundation walls, now rounded, grass-green mounds, mark off a great rectangle, divided into what were once the ground-floor rooms. Foor helped to tear down the old house when Lonny Horn, a cattleman of Trinidad, bought it and took out its timbers and beams to be used in the house he built on his cattle ranch thirty miles to the east.

&quot;This is the room,&quot; says Foor, standing in the sunlight knee-deep in grass in a square depression, &quot;where Billy the Kid was killed. There in that corner stood Pete Maxwell's bed. Against that east wall sat Pat Garrett. Right out there was the corner of the porch where Poe and McKinney was waitin' for him. Here where this bunch of sacatone is growin' was the door the Kid come in at, and here in the centre of the room where I'm standing now, he fell dead.&quot;

The scene is undramatic. You see some grass, an old man mopping his perspiring brow with a red bandanna, over there a cow grazing; the river in the background. Sunlight is picking out all the secret places of the midnight tragedy of long ago. This is the bare stage of the drama, all the properties vanished, all the actors gone. Yet somehow the spot is or grippingly impressive. It pulls at the imagination. For one tense, thrilling moment you see the old tragedy enacted over again almost within arm's reach. There is Billy the Kid coming silently toward you across the yard in the moonlight. You hear his sharp, &quot;''{{lang|es|Quién es?}}''&quot; as he stumbles upon Poe and McKinney on the porch. You&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;This,&quot; he says, &quot;was the old military hospital. Where that steer's grazin', the old Texas road come in from the east. Charlie Bowdre used to live here with his wife, Manuela. Pat Garrett killed Tom O'Folliard right over there. Over yonder was the old peach orchard where Garrett, Poe, and McKinney hid on the night Billy the Kid was killed. It used to spread over a powerful lot of ground. You never seen anything prettier than when it was in full bloom in the spring o' the year. See them two lone trees? They're all that's left of thousands. They're the old peach orchard now.&quot;

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{{di|H}}{{uc|o! For}} old Fort Sumner. You set out gaily. Your fancy conjures up quaint pictures of the romantic old place. How does it look now? Is it the same as in old frontier days? You propose to ramble through the old home of Pete Maxwell and his sister, Paulita. You will see the room in which Billy the Kid was killed. You will stroll through the shady aisles of the old peach orchard. You will visit old Beaver Smith's former drink-parlour. You revel in pleasant anticipations.

From new Fort Sumner, the commonplace town by the railroad, your road leads south along the famous avenue of cottonwoods through irrigated farmlands. The avenue is still an avenue but there are woeful gaps in the twin rows of giant trees. Pecos Valley farmers care more for wheat, beans, potatoes, than for beauty. Where the old trees shut off the sunlight from their precious acres, they have chopped them down. Which in this treeless land seems a sort of crime.

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Though the cards were stacked against the Kid that night and it was written in the stars that he must die, Garrett was the only one of the four principals in the tragedy who acted as he might logically have been expected to act and as the occasion demanded he should act. Everything he did and everything he did not do proved the shrewdness and craft of an alert, quick-thinking brain. If he had spoken, the Kid would have recognized him by his voice. If he had risen from his chair, the Kid would have recognized him by his height. In either case, he would have died instantly. But Garrett did not speak, did not rise, did not hesitate. He fired. He alone made no mistake.

Fort Sumner had been home to the Kid, if under Heaven he had had a home, and the last rites were a labour of love in which all Fort Sumner joined. Domingo Lubacher, man of all work, knocked together a coffin of rough pine boards. Francisco Medina, who still lives on the ranch of Don Manuel Abreu, dug the grave. The hearse was a rickety old wagon drawn by a pair of scrawny Mexican ponies. Not six people were left in Fort Sumner during the funeral. The entire population, men, women, and children, turned out to do the Kid last honours and followed his corpse to the little military cemetery a short distance east of town. A stranger might have thought the funeral that of Fort Sumner's most distinguished citizen.

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Though the cards were stacked against the Kid that night and it was written in the stars that he must die, Garrett was the only one of the four principals in the tragedy who acted as he might logically have been expected to act and as the occasion demanded he should act. Everything he did and everything he did not do proved the shrewdness and craft of an alert, quick-thinking brain. If he had spoken, the Kid would have recognized him by his voice. If he had risen from his chair, the Kid would have recognized him by his height. In either case, he would have died instantly. But Garrett did not speak, did not rise, did not hesitate. He fired. He alone made no mistake.

Fort Sumner had been home to the Kid, if under Heaven he had had a home, and the last rites were a labour of love in which all Fort Sumner joined. Domingo Lubacher, man of all work, knocked together a coffin of rough pine boards. Francisco Medina, who still lives on the ranch of Don Manuel Abreu, dug the grave. The hearse was a rickety old wagon drawn by a pair of scrawny Mexican ponies. Not six people were left in Fort Sumner during the funeral. The entire population, men, women, and children, turned out to do the Kid last honours and followed his corpse to the little military cemetery a short distance east of town. A stranger might have thought the funeral that of Fort Sumner's most distinguished citizen.

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Calm analysis of the tragedy reveals unaccountable blunders. The Kid made two egregious mistakes and, though the explanation of each is obvious, both were out of keeping with his usual methods and his desperate character. He could have killed Poe and McKinney when he had them covered on the porch. He could have killed Garrett when he threw down his gun on his shadowy form in the darkness. These were two chances to save his life; he took advantage of neither. It is evident that the dubious thought that the three men might be friends of Maxwell's bent upon some peaceful mission stayed the Kid's deadly trigger finger. It would have been more like his true self to shoot first and ask questions afterward. Yet he did nothing but ask questions. He hesitated, perhaps for the first time in his life, and death was the result of his hesitation. According to Poe, not more than thirty seconds elapsed from the moment the Kid entered Maxwell's room until he was killed. Blundering strangely from the beginning of the episode of its fatal termination, the Kid, in his last flash of consciousness, it is safe to say, did not know who killed him.

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It was now past midnight, and all had retired to rest, and as Bitaram stood shivering with cold at the closed door, he called out, &quot; Open the door and let me in.&quot; His father hearing him said, &quot; Is that you Bitaram V He replied, &quot; Yes, open the door.&quot; They then enquired where he had been, and he related all that had happened to him after he had driven the cattle to the river. Having warmed himself at the fire, he told his father of his adventure with the thieves in the forest. He 
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Early next morning some sepoys, who were searching for the thieves, happened to pass that way, and seeing the stolen property lying out side of the house, recognized it, and appre-hended Bitaram's father and uncles and dragged them off to prison. After this Bitaram and his mother were obliged to beg their bread firom house to house. She often attributed to him the misery which had befallen them, saying, &quot; Had it not been for your pertinacity, your father and uncles would not have been deprived of their liberty.&quot; 

One day, as they were following their usual avocation, they entered a certain house, and Bitaram said to his mother, &quot; Ask the people of the house to give me a tumki.*' She did not at 
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(2.) Chief W. J. Lincoin, ving at the village of Kincolith (kinyo'l'x). He is about 40 years of age and is the youngest chief of the £etyafe tribe. His Indian name is gadaxe-'*x, one of the noble names of the daxlo-ket clan, to which Chief Lincoln belongs.

(3.) Chief A. N. Calder, living at the village of Greenville Gaxgaitsa'p). He is about 46 years of age and is the head chief of the &amp;etgige—ncx tribe. His Indian name is 'xagwa'o? &quot;Yong hand,&quot; one of the noble names of the laxkibor or Wolf phratry, to which Chief Calder belongs.

(4.) Mr. R. S. Woods, living at Kincolith. He is about 22 years of age and belongs to the noble class of the getxaie tribe. His Indian name is #ixdjo'nf, one of the noble names of the fexsgt'k or Eagle phratry, to which Mr. Woods belongs. Mr. Woods is only part Indian, his mother having been halfbreed and his father white. Hespeaks perfect English and proved useful as interpreter.

I may say that the data here presented were obtained without any reference whatever to the material on Nass River social organization that Boas gives in his account of the tribe (Report of the 65th meeting of the British Association for the Advanecment of Science, 1895, pp. 569-583). Correspondences between his and my own data have, therefore, all the force of mutually corroborative evidence.
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(2.) Chief W. J. Lincoln, living at the village of Kincolith ({{nisga'a missing}}). He is about 40 years of age and is the youngest chief of the {{nisga'a missing}} tribe. His Indian name is {{nisga'a missing}}, one of the noble names of the {{nisga'a missing}} clan, to which Chief Lincoln belongs.

(3.) Chief A. N. Calder, living at the village of Greenville ({{nisga'a missing}}). He is about 46 years of age and is the head chief of the {{nisga'a missing}} tribe. His Indian name is {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;long hand,&quot; one of the noble names of the {{nisga'a missing}} or Wolf phratry, to which Chief Calder belongs.

(4.) Mr. R. S. Woods, living at Kincolith. He is about 22 years of age and belongs to the noble class of the {{nisga'a missing}} tribe. His Indian name is {{nisga'a missing}}, one of the noble names of the {{nisga'a missing}} or Eagle phratry, to which Mr. Woods belongs. Mr. Woods is only part Indian, his mother having been half-breed and his father white. He speaks perfect English and proved useful as interpreter.

I may say that the data here presented were obtained without any reference whatever to the material on Nass River social organization that Boas gives in his account of the tribe (Report of the 65th meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, 1895, pp. 569–583). Correspondences between his and my own data have, therefore, all the force of mutually corroborative evidence.
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The Tsimshian tribes of Nass river are known collectively as {{nisga'a missing}}. Though held together by identity of language and common interest, they can hardly be said to form a political entity, each tribe being an independent unit and occupying its own village or villages. There are four of these tribes, occupying villages along the Nass in the following order, beginning with the mouth of the river:

(1.) {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people of (fish) traps,&quot; located at the mouth of the river. They occupy the two villages of {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;place of scalps&quot;, or Kincolith, and {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;old village site&quot; (literally &quot;on the town&quot;), or Greenville. The former village is said to be so named because the scalps of enemies used to be dried there.

(2.) {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people further up stream&quot; (from the point of view of the preceding tribe). Their village is named {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mountain slide.&quot; They are considered the main tribe of the Nass River Indians.

(3.) {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people of home-of-lizards&quot; (from {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;lizard&quot;). They used to inhabit the old village of {{nisga'a missing}}, from which the tribe receives its name. At present they are located at {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;under leaf&quot;, or Underleaf, a recently established village situated across the river from the old one.

(4.) {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people moving regularly from and back to their home village.&quot; The name refers to their periodic descent to the mouth of the river to get olachen ({{nisga'a missing}}), but no other fish. They occupy the two villages of {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;village on ponds,&quot; or Gitlakdamix, and {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;leaves coming out,&quot; or Alyansh. The latter is a new village (only about forty years old), to which most of the inhabitants of the tribe have moved over, few being left at the older village of {{nisga'a missing}}.

{{c|PHRATRIES, CLANS, AND CRESTS.}}

The Nass River Indians, like their southern neighbours, the Tsimshian proper, are divided into four exogamous phratries ({{nisga'a missing}}) with maternal descent, i.e., the crests and other privi-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="2604" sha1="gb1u7x4lk1zotk4yz4rhvtisawa5y7i" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;leges descend from a man to his sister's son; one's predecessor in the holding of any title or right is thus not his father, but his maternal uncle. The phratries are the {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on the wolf,&quot; generally referred to simply as Wolves (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wolf&quot;); the {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on the eagle,&quot; generally referred to simply as Eagles (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle&quot;; {{nisga'a missing}} is the Tsimshian proper dialectic form); the {{nisga'a missing}}, a name of unknown meaning; and the {{nisga'a missing}}, also of unknown meaning. The name {{nisga'a missing}} was said by Chief Derrick to be derived from {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;frog,&quot; one of the crests of this phratry; it is more than likely, however, that this is merely a folk etymology to explain an otherwise meaningless term. The main crest of the Wolves is the wolf, of the Eagles the eagle, of the {{nisga'a missing}} (at least in part) the killer-whale ({{nisga'a missing}}), of the {{nisga'a missing}} the raven ({{nisga'a missing}}).

As far as present distribution is concerned, these phratries are found well scattered among the four Nass River tribes, though not all of them are represented in each tribe.&lt;ref&gt;It is quite likely, as Mr. Barbeau points out, that the facts of distribution as given in this paper apply only to the nobles.&lt;/ref&gt; The Wolves are found in all four tribes, but they do not occupy the same rank in each; they are the head phratry among the {{nisga'a missing}}, {{nisga'a missing}}, and {{nisga'a missing}}, but the third and last among the {{nisga'a missing}}. The Eagles are found represented in three of the tribes, being absent among the {{nisga'a missing}}. The {{nisga'a missing}} phratry again is absent among the {{nisga'a missing}}, but represented in the other three tribes. The {{nisga'a missing}} phratry, finally, is found to be lacking among the {{nisga'a missing}} only. The relative importance of a phratry seems to depend on the number of members ft counts.

The phratries are subdivided into smaller groups that may be termed clans or, perhaps preferably, families. The Indian term for these subdivisions is {{nisga'a missing}}, though the more inclusive term {{nisga'a missing}} seems also to be used to apply to them; {{nisga'a missing}} may be translated as &quot;being together with one another&quot; (cf. Tsimshian reduplicated {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;company'&quot;'), i.e. &quot;group of kinsmen dwelling together.&quot; The clans have their definite order of rank within the phratry of a particular tribe and are characterized by the ownership of special crests, legends, songs,&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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While each of the four phratries, as we have seen, has its characteristic or head crest, it does not at all follow that this crest figures as the main crest of each of its clans. Thus, among six Nass River clans belonging to the Wolf phratry, only two possess the wolf as their main crest (in one of these, moreover, this crest has the special name of &quot;wolves moving about&quot;); in two others the wolf occurs as one of the crests, but not as the main crest, this position being occupied by the &quot;son of black bear&quot; and &quot;white grizzly&quot; respectively; in the two other families, finally, the wolf is apparently not owned as crest at all, the main crest in each of these being the &quot;black-bear prince.&quot; Similar conditions prevail with reference to the other phratries. The ascription of a single definite main crest to each of the phratries must, therefore, not be understood inclusively. However, there seems to be no doubt that some connexion is recognized between the member of a phratry and his phratric crest or crests, even in cases where it is not looked upon as one of the specific crests of his clan. Thus, while the {{nisga'a missing}} clan of the {{nisga'a missing}} tribe, the second clan in rank of the Wolf phratry as represented in the tribe, does not possess the right to use the wolf as a real crest, it nevertheless can show it in a potlatch &quot;for fun,&quot; as it is their phratric emblem; the point is that they may not use the wolf crest to increase their prestige, as by the giving away of property in connexion with it. Chief Derrick went on to say that any member of the Wolf phratry could use both wolf and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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There seems to be a marked tendency for each clan to show its crests in some more or less definitely circumscribed concrete form, different from that in which the same crests are exhibited by other families. In quite a number of cases this tendency is reflected in the formal name of the crest, the name of the crest animal being modified by some descriptive epithet. Thus, as we have already seen, the wolf crest occurs also in the special form&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{c|{{sc|(1.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE}} ''{{lang|ncg|k̯ɩtʼanwɩˊlⁱkc}}''}}

The phratries, all four of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|class=__top-level|I.}}fexgcbo* &quot;on wolf.&quot; This is the head phratry of the tribe and is divided into three clans, ranking in the following order:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1|isgansné't &quot;people from sdansnd-t, home-ofberry-bushes&quot;; sgansnd-t is the name of their former village. The head chief is skafe—n.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|ketwel'nd Be'? &quot;all in one (though living in different houses).&quot;' The head chief is Chief Derrick.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|Relwillvyax&quot; &quot;people of hiding place.&quot;}}
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{{np2/s|class=__top-level|II.}}faxsgik: &quot;on eagle.&quot; This also is subdivided into three clans, ranking in the following order: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|samlaxsgivkt &quot;real laxsgivks,&quot; ie. &quot;foremost Eagles.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|laxtsame'lix &quot;on beaver.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|itgane*gs &quot;people of ladders.&quot;'}}
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{{np2/s|class=__top-level|III.}}Ul. &amp;¢spo-*dwe'da, consisting of only one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|esqd-'st &quot;people living among hd'cé, certain green bushes.&quot;}}
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{{np2|class=__top-level|IV.|gena'da, not further subdivided.}}
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{{c|{{sc|(1.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE}} ''{{lang|ncg|k̯ɩtʼanwɩˊlⁱkc}}''}}

The phratries, all four of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}fexgcbo* &quot;on wolf.&quot; This is the head phratry of the tribe and is divided into three clans, ranking in the following order:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1|isgansné't &quot;people from sdansnd-t, home-ofberry-bushes&quot;; sgansnd-t is the name of their former village. The head chief is skafe—n.}}
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{{np2/s|II.}}faxsgik: &quot;on eagle.&quot; This also is subdivided into three clans, ranking in the following order: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|samlaxsgivkt &quot;real laxsgivks,&quot; ie. &quot;foremost Eagles.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|laxtsame'lix &quot;on beaver.&quot; }}
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{{np2|IV.|gena'da, not further subdivided.}}
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{{c|{{sc|(1.) Clans and Crests of the}} ''{{lang|ncg|k̯ɩtʼanwɩˊlⁱkc}}''}}

The phratries, all four of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on wolf.&quot; This is the head phratry of the tribe and is divided into three clans, ranking in the following order:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people from {{nisga'a missing}}, home-of-berry-bushes&quot;; {{nisga'a missing}} is the name of their former village. The head chief is {{nisga'a missing}}.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;all in one (though living in different houses).&quot; The head chief is Chief Derrick.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people of hiding place.&quot;}}
{{np2/e}}
{{np2/s|II.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on eagle.&quot; This also is subdivided into three clans, ranking in the following order: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;real {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; ie. &quot;foremost Eagles.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on beaver.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people of ladders.&quot;'}}
{{np2/e}}
{{np2/s|III.}}{{nisga'a missing}}, consisting of only one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people living among {{nisga'a missing}}, certain green bushes.&quot;}}
{{np2/e}}
{{np2|IV.|{{nisga'a missing}}, not further subdivided.}}
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The crests of these clans are as follows:

{{np2/s|class=__top-level|I.}}Wolf phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}&amp;esgansné't clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|kebor 'wolf&quot;' Main crest of this clan specifically, as well as general crest of the Wolf phratry.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|cméx &quot;black bear.' This is the ordinary bear, net the 'prince bear'' of the second family of this phratry. The word cméx is probably identical with Vsimshian so'mi, which, according to Boas, means 'meat,' but is also used as plural for of &quot;black-bear.&quot;' The proper term for black bear in Nass River ts 'a!.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hkaikelaxa' 'something to poke (or stab) the sky with&quot; (properly ha-Rel-laxha', cf. Tsimshian gai 'to spear').&lt;ref&gt;Tsimshian forms are taken from F. Boas, Tsimshian Texts (New Series), Publications of American Ethnological Society, vol. It], 1912, vocabulary (pp. 254-284).&lt;/ref&gt; This is a long ceremonial staff that is shown in potlaches; there are songs that go with it.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}keiwd'na Re'! clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|ftkowelikedkum cemdx &quot;prince black-bear.&quot; Main crest of the family, When shown as a crest, the eyes and ears of the bear are inlaid with abelone.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|b}}Jo'ayerg &quot;controlling the law (of seating at potlatches),&quot;&quot; literally perhaps &quot;'wherein is law, custom'&quot;' (cf. Tsimshian ayar*wex 'Jaw, custom'}. This term refers to the skull-like mask, representing the head chief of the ghosts, worn by a man at the door whose business it is to usher&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}
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The crests of these clans are as follows:

{{np2/s|class=__top-level|I.}}Wolf phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}&amp;esgansné't clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|kebor 'wolf&quot;' Main crest of this clan specifically, as well as general crest of the Wolf phratry.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|cméx &quot;black bear.' This is the ordinary bear, net the 'prince bear'' of the second family of this phratry. The word cméx is probably identical with Vsimshian so'mi, which, according to Boas, means 'meat,' but is also used as plural for of &quot;black-bear.&quot;' The proper term for black bear in Nass River ts 'a!.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hkaikelaxa' 'something to poke (or stab) the sky with&quot; (properly ha-Rel-laxha', cf. Tsimshian gai 'to spear').&lt;ref&gt;Tsimshian forms are taken from F. Boas, Tsimshian Texts (New Series), Publications of American Ethnological Society, vol. It], 1912, vocabulary (pp. 254-284).&lt;/ref&gt; This is a long ceremonial staff that is shown in potlaches; there are songs that go with it.}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}keiwd'na Re'! clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|ftkowelikedkum cemdx &quot;prince black-bear.&quot; Main crest of the family, When shown as a crest, the eyes and ears of the bear are inlaid with abelone.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|b}}Jo'ayerg &quot;controlling the law (of seating at potlatches),&quot;&quot; literally perhaps &quot;'wherein is law, custom'&quot;' (cf. Tsimshian ayar*wex 'Jaw, custom'}. This term refers to the skull-like mask, representing the head chief of the ghosts, worn by a man at the door whose business it is to usher&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
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The crests of these clans are as follows:

{{np2/s|class=__top-level|I.}}Wolf phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}&amp;esgansné't clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|kebor 'wolf&quot;' Main crest of this clan specifically, as well as general crest of the Wolf phratry.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|cméx &quot;black bear.' This is the ordinary bear, net the 'prince bear'' of the second family of this phratry. The word cméx is probably identical with Vsimshian so'mi, which, according to Boas, means 'meat,' but is also used as plural for of &quot;black-bear.&quot;' The proper term for black bear in Nass River ts 'a!.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hkaikelaxa' 'something to poke (or stab) the sky with&quot; (properly ha-Rel-laxha', cf. Tsimshian gai 'to spear').&lt;ref&gt;Tsimshian forms are taken from F. Boas, Tsimshian Texts (New Series), Publications of American Ethnological Society, vol. It], 1912, vocabulary (pp. 254-284).&lt;/ref&gt; This is a long ceremonial staff that is shown in potlaches; there are songs that go with it.}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}keiwd'na Re'! clan.
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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|b}}Jo'ayerg &quot;controlling the law (of seating at potlatches),&quot;&quot; literally perhaps &quot;'wherein is law, custom'&quot;' (cf. Tsimshian ayar*wex 'Jaw, custom'}. This term refers to the skull-like mask, representing the head chief of the ghosts, worn by a man at the door whose business it is to usher&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wolf.&quot; Main crest of this clan specifically, as well as general crest of the Wolf phratry.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;black bear.&quot; This is the ordinary bear, net the &quot;prince bear&quot; of the second family of this phratry. The word {{nisga'a missing}} is probably identical with Tsimshian {{Americanist missing}}, which, according to Boas, means &quot;meat,&quot; but is also used as plural for of ''ol'' &quot;black-bear.&quot; The proper term for black bear in Nass River is {{nisga'a missing}}.}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}keiwd'na Re'! clan.
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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|b}}Jo'ayerg &quot;controlling the law (of seating at potlatches),&quot;&quot; literally perhaps &quot;'wherein is law, custom'&quot;' (cf. Tsimshian ayar*wex 'Jaw, custom'}. This term refers to the skull-like mask, representing the head chief of the ghosts, worn by a man at the door whose business it is to usher&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
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The crests of these clans are as follows:

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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|kiilucet ''doorkeepers.&quot;&quot; This crest has no song or story connected withit. When a potlatch is given, the man showing it erects two posts outside of the house
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{{np2/s|1.}}samlaxsgt'k* clan.
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£gespo-*dweda phratry. 1. Brsga-st clan.
{{np2/e}}

a. twgs &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, i¢ cannot be used by the £espo*dwida of the ki'anwel*he.

. pcté'* &quot;grouse.&quot; c. hag &quot;wild goose.&quot;

{{np2/s}}IV. gana'da phratry. a. gag &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. b. gana™ &quot;frog.&quot; c. ¢w'¢ &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;
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{2.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE kidwonker ik&quot;.

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

I. kespovdweda, the head phratry. The Ritwankerth* are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:

1. isgd-'st:.

Il. daysgé-k+ 'on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 1. loxlo-&quot;kcé &quot;bundle of things.&quot; 2. Retbse-'g: &quot;in the bow.&quot;

Ill. laxgeby &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:

1. laxivyargl. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;'Flathead&quot;' country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.

The gaena'da phratry is not represented among the Ritwankcolk&quot;,

The crests of these clans are:&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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£gespo-*dweda phratry. 1. Brsga-st clan.
{{np2/e}}

a. twgs &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, i¢ cannot be used by the £espo*dwida of the ki'anwel*he.

. pcté'* &quot;grouse.&quot; c. hag &quot;wild goose.&quot;

{{np2/s}}IV. gana'da phratry. a. gag &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. b. gana™ &quot;frog.&quot; c. ¢w'¢ &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;
{{np2/e}}

{{c|{2.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE kidwonker ik&quot;.}}

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

I. kespovdweda, the head phratry. The Ritwankerth* are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:

1. isgd-'st:.

Il. daysgé-k+ 'on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 1. loxlo-&quot;kcé &quot;bundle of things.&quot; 2. Retbse-'g: &quot;in the bow.&quot;

Ill. laxgeby &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:

1. laxivyargl. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;'Flathead&quot;' country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.

The gaena'da phratry is not represented among the Ritwankcolk&quot;,

The crests of these clans are:&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}Brsga-st clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|twgs &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, i¢ cannot be used by the £espo*dwida of the ki'anwel*he.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|pcté'* &quot;grouse.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hag &quot;wild goose.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}gana'da phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gag &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|gana™ &quot;frog.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|¢w'¢ &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|{2.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE kidwonker ik&quot;.}}

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

I. kespovdweda, the head phratry. The Ritwankerth* are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:

1. isgd-'st:.

Il. daysgé-k+ 'on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 1. loxlo-&quot;kcé &quot;bundle of things.&quot; 2. Retbse-'g: &quot;in the bow.&quot;

Ill. laxgeby &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:

1. laxivyargl. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;'Flathead&quot;' country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.

The gaena'da phratry is not represented among the Ritwankcolk&quot;,

The crests of these clans are:&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}Brsga-st clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|twgs &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, i¢ cannot be used by the £espo*dwida of the ki'anwel*he.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|pcté'* &quot;grouse.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hag &quot;wild goose.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}gana'da phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gag &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|gana™ &quot;frog.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|¢w'¢ &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|{2.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE kidwonker ik&quot;.}}

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}kespovdweda, the head phratry. The Ritwankerth* are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:

1. isgd-'st:.
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}daysgé-k+ 'on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 1. loxlo-&quot;kcé &quot;bundle of things.&quot; 2. Retbse-'g: &quot;in the bow.&quot;
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}laxgeby &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:

1. laxivyargl. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;'Flathead&quot;' country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.
{{np2/e}}

The gaena'da phratry is not represented among the Ritwankcolk&quot;,

The crests of these clans are:
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}Brsga-st clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|twgs &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, i¢ cannot be used by the £espo*dwida of the ki'anwel*he.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|pcté'* &quot;grouse.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|hag &quot;wild goose.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}gana'da phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gag &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|gana™ &quot;frog.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|¢w'¢ &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|{2.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE kidwonker ik&quot;.}}

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}kespovdweda, the head phratry. The Ritwankerth* are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|isgd-'st:.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}daysgé-k+ 'on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|loxlo-&quot;kcé &quot;bundle of things.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|Retbse-'g: &quot;in the bow.&quot;}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}laxgeby &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|laxivyargl. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;'Flathead&quot;' country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.}}
{{np2/e}}

The gaena'da phratry is not represented among the Ritwankcolk&quot;,

The crests of these clans are:
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. Note that though the killer-whale is the main crest of this phratry as a whole, it cannot be used by the {{nisga'a missing}} of the {{nisga'a missing}}.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;grouse.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wild goose.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}{{nisga'a missing}} phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;raven,&quot;' the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;frog.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;robin redbreast.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|{2.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} {{nisga'a missing}}}}

The phratries, only three of which are here represented, with their clans, rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}{{nisga'a missing}}, the head phratry. The {{nisga'a missing}} are considered the main Nass River tribe for representatives of this phratry. According to Chief Derrick, it consists of only one clan:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}}.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on eagle,&quot; consisting of two clans: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bundle of things.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;in the bow.&quot;}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on wolf,&quot; consisting of a single clan:
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}}. This is said to be the name of a village in the &quot;Flathead&quot; country to the south, somewhere on the mainland about halfway between Nass river and the present city of Vancouver.}}
{{np2/e}}

The {{nisga'a missing}} phratry is not represented among the {{nisga'a missing}}.

The crests of these clans are:
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}Resgasts clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|lguwelikeitgum 'ne-gt &quot;prince killer-whale,&quot; the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|&amp;utkonurke &quot;owl.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|moadezam tsa'aya'ks &quot;water grizzly&quot;.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|'ardanegi': &quot;bending over,&quot; referring to a ceremonial representation of the rainbow. w#iaxma'ait, the ordinary term for &quot;rainbow,&quot; is a more common name of the crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|lsowelikedgum ma@tx &quot;prince mountatngoat.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}laxle-kett clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|itagetgada'ttkutt &quot;man of the woods,&quot; a supernatural being who lives off by himself and flies in the air. This is the main crest of the family. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|gait &quot;shark.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|'anlo-leum welp &quot;bird's-nest house.' This is the name of one of the houses of the village (see section on House Names}, but it is at the same time considered a crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|xced:gam pa'* 'wooden eagle.' The crest ts represented as a pole surmounted by an eagle's head.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|cléxtxex &quot;halibut on one side, half halibut.&quot;'}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}kese**gt clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|tsamevlix &quot;beaver, the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|xwcegd-k &quot;eagle.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}Wolf phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}laxteyorgt clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|a.}}cehko'wa'lk*, translated as ''son of a blackbear,&quot; main crest. The term evidently&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;owl.&quot;}}
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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bending over,&quot; referring to a ceremonial representation of the rainbow. {{nisga'a missing}}, the ordinary term for &quot;rainbow,&quot; is a more common name of the crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;prince mountatn-goat.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;man of the woods,&quot; a supernatural being who lives off by himself and flies in the air. This is the main crest of the family. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;shark.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bird's-nest house.&quot; This is the name of one of the houses of the village (see section on House Names}, but it is at the same time considered a crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wooden eagle.&quot; The crest is represented as a pole surmounted by an eagle's head.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;halibut on one side, half halibut.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;beaver,&quot; the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}Wolf phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|a.}}{{nisga'a missing}} translated as &quot;son of a black-bear,&quot; main crest. The term evidently&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;means, &quot;new taboo, recently forbidden&quot; (cf. Tsimshian hka'walk &quot;taboo&quot;'), and seems to be a periphrasis for another derm which, for reasons of taboo, was not mentioned.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|&amp;tbu-* &quot;wolf.&quot; This crest was stated to be Jess important here then the ec ha'walk*, though it gives the phratry its name.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(3.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE Rtigige 'nex.}}

There are only two phratries represented in this tribe. These are, in the order of their rank: I. lagktbe:™ &quot;on wolf,&quot; which consists of only one clan: 1. &amp;tgigeen'x.

Ii. gana'da, which also is said not to be subdivided but to consist of one clan: 1. gana'da. The Eagle and ftspo-*dweda phratries would seem to be lacking. The crests of these clans are:

I. Wolf phratry. 1. Segige'nix family,

a. tgowelikedgum cmdx &quot;prince black-bear,&quot;' the main crest.

b. ye px, a mythical water animal resembling an inflated balloon (yw: px ''toinhale&quot;'), When this crest is te be shown, a house is built with a door in the form of the opening and closing beak of the mythical animal.

c. naxe Ra-tho-dumgt &quot;mother of Not-quitecompleted.'&quot;&quot; This refers to a ceremonial feasting spoon, named after axe Ra-tho'dumgi, a large mythological woman.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;means, &quot;new taboo, recently forbidden&quot; (cf. Tsimshian hka'walk &quot;taboo&quot;'), and seems to be a periphrasis for another derm which, for reasons of taboo, was not mentioned.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|&amp;tbu-* &quot;wolf.&quot; This crest was stated to be Jess important here then the ec ha'walk*, though it gives the phratry its name.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(3.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE Rtigige 'nex.}}

There are only two phratries represented in this tribe. These are, in the order of their rank: 

{{np2/s|I.}}lagktbe:™ &quot;on wolf,&quot; which consists of only one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|&amp;tgigeen'x.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}gana'da, which also is said not to be subdivided but to consist of one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|gana'da.}}
{{np2/e}}

The Eagle and ftspo-*dweda phratries would seem to be lacking. The crests of these clans are:

I. Wolf phratry. 1. Segige'nix family,

a. tgowelikedgum cmdx &quot;prince black-bear,&quot;' the main crest.

b. ye px, a mythical water animal resembling an inflated balloon (yw: px ''toinhale&quot;'), When this crest is te be shown, a house is built with a door in the form of the opening and closing beak of the mythical animal.

c. naxe Ra-tho-dumgt &quot;mother of Not-quitecompleted.'&quot;&quot; This refers to a ceremonial feasting spoon, named after axe Ra-tho'dumgi, a large mythological woman.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;means, &quot;new taboo, recently forbidden&quot; (cf. Tsimshian hka'walk &quot;taboo&quot;'), and seems to be a periphrasis for another derm which, for reasons of taboo, was not mentioned.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|&amp;tbu-* &quot;wolf.&quot; This crest was stated to be Jess important here then the ec ha'walk*, though it gives the phratry its name.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(3.) CLANS AND CRESTS OF THE Rtigige 'nex.}}

There are only two phratries represented in this tribe. These are, in the order of their rank: 

{{np2/s|I.}}lagktbe:™ &quot;on wolf,&quot; which consists of only one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|&amp;tgigeen'x.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}gana'da, which also is said not to be subdivided but to consist of one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|gana'da.}}
{{np2/e}}

The Eagle and ftspo-*dweda phratries would seem to be lacking. The crests of these clans are:

{{np2/s|I.}}Wolf phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}Segige'nix family,
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|tgowelikedgum cmdx &quot;prince black-bear,&quot;' the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|ye px, a mythical water animal resembling an inflated balloon (yw: px ''toinhale&quot;'), When this crest is te be shown, a house is built with a door in the form of the opening and closing beak of the mythical animal.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|naxe Ra-tho-dumgt &quot;mother of Not-quitecompleted.'&quot;&quot; This refers to a ceremonial feasting spoon, named after axe Ra-tho'dumgi, a large mythological woman.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;means, &quot;new taboo, recently forbidden&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{americanist missing}} &quot;taboo&quot;), and seems to be a periphrasis for another term which, for reasons of taboo, was not mentioned.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wolf.&quot; This crest was stated to be less important here then the {{nisga'a missing}}, though it gives the phratry its name.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(3.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} {{nisga'a missing}}.}}

There are only two phratries represented in this tribe. These are, in the order of their rank: 

{{np2/s|I.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on wolf,&quot; which consists of only one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}}.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}{{nisga'a missing}}, which also is said not to be subdivided but to consist of one clan: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}}.}}
{{np2/e}}

The Eagle and {{nisga'a missing}} phratries would seem to be lacking. The crests of these clans are:

{{np2/s|I.}}Wolf phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} family,
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;prince black-bear,&quot; the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}}, a mythical water animal resembling an inflated balloon ({{nisga'a missing}} &quot;to inhale&quot;). When this crest is to be shown, a house is built with a door in the form of the opening and closing beak of the mythical animal.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mother of Not-quite-completed.&quot; This refers to a ceremonial feasting spoon, named after {{nisga'a missing}}, a large mythological woman.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:A sketch of the social organization of the Nass River Indians (IA sketchofsocialor00sapi).pdf/27</title>
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a. gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' gana' &quot;frog.&quot;

d. gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.

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{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

q. laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 1. lexkibur*.

Il. faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 1. &amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; 2. faxlo-*ket'. 3. kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' 4. kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; Ill. &amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. IV. gane'de, not subdivided into clans. The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

q. laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 1. lexkibur*.

Il. faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 1. &amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; 2. faxlo-*ket'. 3. kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' 4. kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; Ill. &amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. IV. gane'de, not subdivided into clans. The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 1. lexkibur*.
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 1. &amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; 2. faxlo-*ket'. 3. kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' 4. kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; 
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III. &amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|gane'de, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 1. lexkibur*.
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 1. &amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; 2. faxlo-*ket'. 3. kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' 4. kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; 
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III.|&amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|gane'de, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 
{{np2|depth=2em|1.|lexkibur*.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 1. &amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; 2. faxlo-*ket'. 3. kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' 4. kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; 
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III.|&amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|gane'de, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|depth=2em|1.|lexkibur*.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|&amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|faxlo-*ket'. }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|4.|kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; }}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III.|&amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|gane'de, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

I. Wolf phratry. a. mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. b. mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; ce. Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; Il. Eagte phratry. 1. kisgaband-'x* clan. a. nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gdgt &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest hereis trabidd-damyd-'g' &quot;raven all covered with abelone' (ef. bia' &quot;'abelone&quot;'). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|febim &quot;'sea-lion.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana' &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|gaiymatx &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} &amp;rtxafe™.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}laxkebu-* &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated net to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|depth=2em|1.|lexkibur*.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}faxcgi-k: &quot;on eagle,' which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|&amp;esgaband-x' &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|faxlo-*ket'. }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|kdlexwusd'x 'people living on a sand-bar.&quot;' }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|4.|kicda'G-ke &quot;people living on water.&quot; }}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III.|&amp;¢spo*dweda, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|gane'de, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}Wolf phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|mdkegum iki 'nck&quot; &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|mde 9! &quot;white bear.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|Ribu &quot;wolf.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}Eagte phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}kisgaband-'x* clan. 
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|nefdam ga' &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;raven,&quot; the main crest. The full name of this crest here is {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;raven all covered with abelone&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;abelone&quot;). }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;sea-lion.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;frog.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mountain-goat hat,&quot; referring to a ceremonial hat worn during a potlatch.}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{c|(4.) {{sc|Clans and Crests of the}} {{nisga'a missing}}.}}

All four phratries are represented in this tribe, They rank as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on wolf,&quot; which was stated not to be subdivided but to consist of only one clan. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|depth=2em|1.|{{nisga'a missing}}.}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;on eagle,&quot; which is subdivided into four clans, ranking as follows: 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|1.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people dwelling among thorns.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|2.|{{nisga'a missing}}. }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|3.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people living on a sand-bar.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|4.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people living on water.&quot; }}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2|III.|{{nisga'a missing}}, not subdivided into clans. }}

{{np2|IV.|{{nisga'a missing}}, not subdivided into clans. }}

The crests of these clans are as follows:

{{np2/s|I.}}Wolf phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white grizzly,&quot; the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white bear.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;wolf.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan. 
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;shark with big dorsal fin,&quot; the main crest.}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|xegé-&quot;kt &quot;eagle.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|tseme'ltz 'beaver.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|dsyagrrbilix &quot;rotten grvbd''x&quot;' (the ge'beliy is a supernatural being living under the water).}}

2. laxlo-ket: clan.

&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|txa'bdddam xcga'k' &quot;'cagle all covered with abelone,&quot; the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|'xax'noyam ftxo'y &quot;supernatural halibut halibut shaman.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|'*samelix &quot;beaver.&quot; Its proper name here is hetgwotl fsame'liy &quot;standing beaver.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|teowritkedgum hauts &quot;prince shag.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|ixabdddam tsé&quot;' &quot;face all covered with abelone.&quot;'}}

3. kilaxwusd'x clan.

&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|xegékt &quot;eagle&quot; (ic. plain eagle, not qualified in any way)}}

4. kiega'a'ke clan.

&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|kweexcgavkt '&quot;cagle garment,&quot; referring to a ceremonial garment made of eagle skins.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|xgarnait fsametix &quot;beaver eating wood.&quot;}}

Ill. &amp;ispe&quot;dweds phratry.

&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|ge &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|pdect &quot;stars.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|R#utReunuke &quot;owl.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|sayaitha-t#' &quot;two men with the same intestines.&quot;&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|mic wa' &quot;white deer.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|f.|maxnia'ott &quot;rainbow.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|g.|ieadk* &quot;thunder.&quot;}}

IV. gana'da phratry. 

&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gaméts &quot;star-fish,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Thia was translated aa &quot;barnacle,&quot; but Mr. Barbeau informs me that it is obviausiy mistranstated for &quot;'star-fish,'' a gana'de crest.&lt;/ref&gt; the main crest.}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|xegé-&quot;kt &quot;eagle.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|tseme'ltz 'beaver.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|dsyagrrbilix &quot;rotten grvbd''x&quot;' (the ge'beliy is a supernatural being living under the water).}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|2.}}laxlo-ket: clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|txa'bdddam xcga'k' &quot;'cagle all covered with abelone,&quot; the main crest.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|'xax'noyam ftxo'y &quot;supernatural halibut halibut shaman.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|'*samelix &quot;beaver.&quot; Its proper name here is hetgwotl fsame'liy &quot;standing beaver.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|teowritkedgum hauts &quot;prince shag.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|ixabdddam tsé&quot;' &quot;face all covered with abelone.&quot;'}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|3.}}kilaxwusd'x clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|xegékt &quot;eagle&quot; (ic. plain eagle, not qualified in any way)}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|4.}}kiega'a'ke clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|kweexcgavkt '&quot;cagle garment,&quot; referring to a ceremonial garment made of eagle skins.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|xgarnait fsametix &quot;beaver eating wood.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}&amp;ispe&quot;dweds phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|ge &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|pdect &quot;stars.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|R#utReunuke &quot;owl.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|sayaitha-t#' &quot;two men with the same intestines.&quot;&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|mic wa' &quot;white deer.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|f.|maxnia'ott &quot;rainbow.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|g.|ieadk* &quot;thunder.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}gana'da phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|gaméts &quot;star-fish,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Thia was translated aa &quot;barnacle,&quot; but Mr. Barbeau informs me that it is obviausiy mistranstated for &quot;'star-fish,'' a gana'de crest.&lt;/ref&gt; the main crest.}}
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}
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&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;prince shag.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;face all covered with abelone.&quot;'}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|3.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle&quot; (i.e. plain eagle, not qualified in any way)}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}

&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s|4.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan.
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle garment,&quot; referring to a ceremonial garment made of eagle skins.}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;beaver eating wood.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|III.}}{{nisga'a missing}} phratry.
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;moon,&quot; the main crest. }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;stars.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;owl.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;two men with the same intestines.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white deer.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|f.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;rainbow.&quot; }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|g.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;thunder.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|IV.}}{{nisga'a missing}} phratry. 
&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|a.|{{nisga'a missing}} &quot;star-fish,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This was translated as &quot;barnacle,&quot; but Mr. Barbeau informs me that it is obviously mistranslated for &quot;star-fish,&quot; a {{nisga'a missing}} crest.&lt;/ref&gt; the main crest.}}
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&lt;!----&gt;{{np2/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|b.|fapxavdam yag “two ravens.’ }}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|c.|gana’ “frog.”}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|d.|cdcd'l'c “bird-skin hat.&quot;}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|e.|hagoiga’k* “lance, spear.”}}
&lt;!----&gt;&lt;!----&gt;{{np2|f.|lo-tseviat 'amge tk “saw-bill duck spitting into.&quot;}}
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{{c|{{Sc|(5.) Distribution of Crests.}}}}

The following tables conveniently summarize the preceding data. Each column is headed by a combination of numbers referring to one of the clans; the first (arabic) numeral refers to the numbered list of tribes (see page 3), the second (roman) to the phratry as ranked in the tribe, the third (arabic) to the clan within the phratry. Thus, the column headed 3.II.2 contains the crests, so far as recorded, of the second clan of the second phratry of the third tribe, i.e. the crests of the {{nisga'a missing}} clan of the Eagle phratry of the {{nisga'a missing}}. The occurrence of any one of the crests enumerated in the first column in a particular clan is indicated by a letter in its column corresponding to the order in which the crest occurs in the preceding outline. The main crest of a clan may be readily ascertained by reference to &quot;a&quot; im its column.

{{c|''Summary of Wolf Crests.''}}

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The following tables conveniently summarize the preceding data. Each column is headed by a combination of numbers referring to one of the clans; the first (arabic) numeral refers to the numbered list of tribes (see page 3), the second (roman) to the phratry as ranked in the tribe, the third (arabic) to the clan within the phratry. Thus, the column headed 3.II.2 contains the crests, so far as recorded, of the second clan of the second phratry of the third tribe, i.e. the crests of the {{nisga'a missing}} clan of the Eagle phratry of the {{nisga'a missing}}. The occurrence of any one of the crests enumerated in the first column in a particular clan is indicated by a letter in its column corresponding to the order in which the crest occurs in the preceding outline. The main crest of a clan may be readily ascertained by reference to &quot;a&quot; im its column.

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The following tables conveniently summarize the preceding data. Each column is headed by a combination of numbers referring to one of the clans; the first (arabic) numeral refers to the numbered list of tribes (see page 3), the second (roman) to the phratry as ranked in the tribe, the third (arabic) to the clan within the phratry. Thus, the column headed 3.II.2 contains the crests, so far as recorded, of the second clan of the second phratry of the third tribe, i.e. the crests of the {{nisga'a missing}} clan of the Eagle phratry of the {{nisga'a missing}}. The occurrence of any one of the crests enumerated in the first column in a particular clan is indicated by a letter in its column corresponding to the order in which the crest occurs in the preceding outline. The main crest of a clan may be readily ascertained by reference to &quot;a&quot; im its column.

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These tables show the presence of a minimum of fortyeight distinct crests among the Nass River Indians; if we count special forms of the same crest as distinct crests, we obtain a total of sixty-three. Most of these occur in only one clan of a tribe; the only crests that are more widely distributed, so far as ean be gathered from this material, being the wolf, black-bear, eagle, beaver, shark, halibut, &amp;¢eix&quot;, moon, rainbow, owl, raven, frog, and mountain-goat. As a matter of fact, however, the total number of crests represented among the Nass River tribes is undoubtedly several times as great as here indicated. Moreover, the failure of such well-known crests as the grizzly bear, water grizzly, and killer-whale to appear more than once is clearly due to the fragmentary character of our data. Each&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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These tables show the presence of a minimum of forty-eight distinct crests among the Nass River Indians; if we count special forms of the same crest as distinct crests, we obtain a total of sixty-three. Most of these occur in only one clan of a tribe; the only crests that are more widely distributed, so far as can be gathered from this material, being the wolf, black-bear, eagle, beaver, shark, halibut, {{nisga'a missing}}, moon, rainbow, owl, raven, frog, and mountain-goat. As a matter of fact, however, the total number of crests represented among the Nass River tribes is undoubtedly several times as great as here indicated. Moreover, the failure of such well-known crests as the grizzly bear, water grizzly, and killer-whale to appear more than once is clearly due to the fragmentary character of our data. Each&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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There is no doubt that at least one reason for the appearance of the same crest in more than one clan is the fact that clans often originated by the splitting of earlier more inclusive units, so that they share the same tradition up toa certain point. Moreover, the fact that any particular clan possesses only one form of a given crest points to the secondary origin of the more special forms of the typical crests; thus, the beaver, &quot;standing beaver,&quot; and &quot;beaver eating wood&quot; of various Eagle clans doubtless represent special developments of a common beavercrest tradition.

On the other hand, if any weight is to be attached to the non-occurrence of characteristic phratric crests in certain clans, there would seem to be very good reason to believe that at least some of these originally stood outside the |phratry and were only later, perhaps owing to the stress of some systematizing tendency, included t one of the four main phratries now recognized. In this way would be explained, for instance, why two of the three Nass River kispodwi'da clans recorded have the moon as their main crest (without at the same time owning the killer-whale), while the other has the killer-whale as its main crest (without at the same time owningthemoon). Heretwooriginally distinct clans, or groups of clans, one characterized by the killer-whale crest, the other by the moon crest, seem to have become consolidated into a &amp;espadweda phratry. Equally instructive examples occur among the Wolf and Eagle families. That, ¢.g., two of the nine Eagle clans recorded, the laxisame'l'x or Beaver clan of the &amp;efanweltke and the &amp;ttganes'*gs clan of the same tribe, do net own the eagle, their phratric crest, is best explaincd by assuming that they originally had nothing to do with the true Eagle clan or phratry, but were only sccond~arily amalgamated with it. The former of these two exceptional families is, significantly enough, characterized by a name that directly refers to one of its crests, the beaver; the very form&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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There is no doubt that at least one reason for the appearance of the same crest in more than one clan is the fact that clans often originated by the splitting of earlier more inclusive units, so that they share the same tradition up to a certain point. Moreover, the fact that any particular clan possesses only one form of a given crest points to the secondary origin of the more special forms of the typical crests; thus, the beaver, &quot;standing beaver,&quot; and &quot;beaver eating wood&quot; of various Eagle clans doubtless represent special developments of a common beaver-crest tradition.

On the other hand, if any weight is to be attached to the non-occurrence of characteristic phratric crests in certain clans, there would seem to be very good reason to believe that at least some of these originally stood outside the {{SIC|{{!}}}}phratry and were only later, perhaps owing to the stress of some systematizing tendency, included in one of the four main phratries now recognized. In this way would be explained, for instance, why two of the three Nass River {{nisga'a missing}} clans recorded have the moon as their main crest (without at the same time owning the killer-whale), while the other has the killer-whale as its main crest (without at the same time owning the moon). Here two originally distinct clans, or groups of clans, one characterized by the killer-whale crest, the other by the moon crest, seem to have become consolidated into a {{nisga'a missing}} phratry. Equally instructive examples occur among the Wolf and Eagle families. That, e.g., two of the nine Eagle clans recorded, the {{nisga'a missing}} or Beaver clan of the {{nisga'a missing}} and the {{nisga'a missing}} clan of the same tribe, do not own the eagle, their phratric crest, is best explained by assuming that they originally had nothing to do with the true Eagle clan or phratry, but were only secondarily amalgamated with it. The former of these two exceptional families is, significantly enough, characterized by a name that directly refers to one of its crests, the beaver; the very form&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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One of the privileges owned by certain families was the use of a distinctive house name, a privilege to which the same term
*ayu'k&quot;s is applied as to the crest. According to Chief Dernck, by no means every chief house of aclan has such aname. At any rate, he knew of only cight such house names among the Nass River tribes, three of which belong to the #a'anwe'l*ke, two to the kdwankcertk&quot;, and three to the Réxafe'&quot;; the kigtgernix, according to Chief Derrick, have no ceremonial house names.

Beginning with the &amp;e'anwelike, we find that their old village of Eetlaxta*meke possessed the following three house names (the new village of 'é'yd-nc has naturally no new house names of its own, but simply uses the elder names from fétlaxfav¢mcke):

1. Of kesdansnav*ts clan (Wolf phratry): woemédfalam'diad** &quot;fire going through two smoke-holes&quot; (cf. 'dla: &quot;smoke hole&quot;). This house is inhabited by chief #2''*c &quot;yogt &quot;father of (.e. owner of) (slave named) 'yogt.&quot;' 

2. Of kewel'nd-Rv* clan (Wolf phratry): wello'a-mt g2?t &quot; (house) entrance of which ts attended by joy&quot; (literally, &quot;being-good-therein heart'). This is Chief Derrick's exe) house, recently built at a ydene.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{c|HOUSE NAMES AMONG THE NASS RIVER INDIANS.}}

One of the privileges owned by certain families was the use of a distinctive house name, a privilege to which the same term *ayu'k&quot;s is applied as to the crest. According to Chief Dernck, by no means every chief house of aclan has such aname. At any rate, he knew of only cight such house names among the Nass River tribes, three of which belong to the #a'anwe'l*ke, two to the kdwankcertk&quot;, and three to the Réxafe'&quot;; the kigtgernix, according to Chief Derrick, have no ceremonial house names.

Beginning with the &amp;e'anwelike, we find that their old village of Eetlaxta*meke possessed the following three house names (the new village of 'é'yd-nc has naturally no new house names of its own, but simply uses the elder names from fétlaxfav¢mcke):

# Of kesdansnav*ts clan (Wolf phratry): woemédfalam'diad** &quot;fire going through two smoke-holes&quot; (cf. 'dla: &quot;smoke hole&quot;). This house is inhabited by chief #2''*c &quot;yogt &quot;father of (.e. owner of) (slave named) 'yogt.&quot;' 
# Of kewel'nd-Rv* clan (Wolf phratry): wello'a-mt g2?t &quot; (house) entrance of which ts attended by joy&quot; (literally, &quot;being-good-therein heart'). This is Chief Derrick's exe) house, recently built at a ydene.
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{{c|HOUSE NAMES AMONG THE NASS RIVER INDIANS.}}

One of the privileges owned by certain families was the use of a distinctive house name, a privilege to which the same term *ayu'k&quot;s is applied as to the crest. According to Chief Dernck, by no means every chief house of aclan has such aname. At any rate, he knew of only cight such house names among the Nass River tribes, three of which belong to the #a'anwe'l*ke, two to the kdwankcertk&quot;, and three to the Réxafe'&quot;; the kigtgernix, according to Chief Derrick, have no ceremonial house names.

Beginning with the &amp;e'anwelike, we find that their old village of Eetlaxta*meke possessed the following three house names (the new village of 'é'yd-nc has naturally no new house names of its own, but simply uses the elder names from fétlaxfav¢mcke):

# Of kesdansnav*ts clan (Wolf phratry): woemédfalam'diad** &quot;fire going through two smoke-holes&quot; (cf. 'dla: &quot;smoke hole&quot;). This house is inhabited by chief #2''*c &quot;yogt &quot;father of (.e. owner of) (slave named) 'yogt.&quot;' 
# Of kewel'nd-Rv* clan (Wolf phratry): wello'a-mt g2?t &quot; (house) entrance of which ts attended by joy&quot; (literally, &quot;being-good-therein heart'). This is Chief Derrick's exe) house, recently built at a ydene.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="2171" sha1="e8yoe0oamnswh5dyu4yqruyex80xhra" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;of the name, {{nisga'a missing}}, is strictly analogous to that of the phratric names {{nisga'a missing}} (Wolf) and {{nisga'a missing}} (Eagle), thus directly suggesting that in the remote past the group characterized by the beaver crest was a distinct social unit quite independent of and parallel to the groups characterized by the wolf and eagle crests. The evidence derived from the family legends would naturally be of the greatest assistance in establishing these and other such reconstructions. One thing seems very clear at present—that the present fourfold (not to speak of a simpler tripartite) arrangement into phratries cannot be forthwith assumed as the historical nucleus from which the present complex clan system, with its irregularities of crest distribution, has arisen.

{{c|HOUSE NAMES AMONG THE NASS RIVER INDIANS.}}

One of the privileges owned by certain families was the use of a distinctive house name, a privilege to which the same term {{nisga'a missing}} is applied as to the crest. According to Chief Derrick, by no means every chief house of a clan has such a name. At any rate, he knew of only eight such house names among the Nass River tribes, three of which belong to the {{nisga'a missing}}, two to the {{nisga'a missing}}, and three to the {{nisga'a missing}}; the {{nisga'a missing}}, according to Chief Derrick, have no ceremonial house names.

Beginning with the {{nisga'a missing}}, we find that their old village of {{nisga'a missing}} possessed the following three house names (the new village of {{nisga'a missing}} has naturally no new house names of its own, but simply uses the older names from {{nisga'a missing}}):

# Of {{nisga'a missing}} clan (Wolf phratry): {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;fire going through two smoke-holes&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;smoke hole&quot;). This house is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (i.e. owner of) (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}}.&quot;
# Of {{nisga'a missing}} clan (Wolf phratry): {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(house) entrance of which is attended by joy&quot; (literally, &quot;being-good-therein heart&quot;). This is Chief Derrick's ({{nisga'a missing}}) house, recently built at {{nisga'a missing}}.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The two house names found among the kewankee?k* are:

1. Of laxlo-&quot;ket clan (Eagle phratry): 'anlolkam wrip &quot;Eagle's nest.&quot; This house was owned by Chief Derrick's maternal grandfather. It is inhabited by chief kwiyma:'e'* &quot;salmon spearer&quot;' (ef, a'7'4&quot;

&quot;two-pronged salmon spear'').

2. Of laxfeyo gt clan (Wolf phratry): weloxe 'a'nolk« &quot;drumming all over in the house&quot; (cf. 'esol &quot;drum'). This house is inhabited by chief paxfapl xsga&quot;k* 'ten eagles on a tree.&quot;

The three house names found among the &amp;éxafe™ are:

t. Of lexlo-*ket* clan (Eagle phratry): 'anwuemdjog: &quot;(house) that one gets ashamed in after entering (because it is so long)&quot; (cl. dja-gt 'to be ashamed&quot;). It is inhabited by chief 2rfxo.

2. Of lexktbo (Wolf) phratry: 'ange lema'y &quot;where black-bear lies down to sleep.' 1+ is inhabited by chief nr&quot;ctee &quot;yan &quot;father of (slave named) 'va'n, Excrement.&quot;

3. Of kispo*dwerda phratry: wript laxa' &quot;sky house.&quot; It is inhabited by chief ne'tc 'yo-ct &quot;father o: (slave named) &quot;yo'ei,&quot;

{{c|PERSONAL NAMES OF THE ke' anwsitke.}}

Anything like a complete survey of the men's and women's names characteristic of the different clans of the Nass River Indians was, of course, entirely out of the question under the circumstances. It was necessary to content ourselves with a selection of typical names belonging to the different clans of one of the tribes, the &amp;ilenwelke. The names of highest rank are kept apart from the more common names. It is believed that at&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The two house names found among the kewankee?k* are:

# Of laxlo-&quot;ket clan (Eagle phratry): 'anlolkam wrip &quot;Eagle's nest.&quot; This house was owned by Chief Derrick's maternal grandfather. It is inhabited by chief kwiyma:'e'* &quot;salmon spearer&quot;' (ef, a'7'4&quot; &quot;two-pronged salmon spear'').
# Of laxfeyo gt clan (Wolf phratry): weloxe 'a'nolk« &quot;drumming all over in the house&quot; (cf. 'esol &quot;drum'). This house is inhabited by chief paxfapl xsga&quot;k* 'ten eagles on a tree.&quot;

The three house names found among the &amp;éxafe™ are:

# Of lexlo-*ket* clan (Eagle phratry): 'anwuemdjog: &quot;(house) that one gets ashamed in after entering (because it is so long)&quot; (cl. dja-gt 'to be ashamed&quot;). It is inhabited by chief 2rfxo.
# Of lexktbo (Wolf) phratry: 'ange lema'y &quot;where black-bear lies down to sleep.' 1+ is inhabited by chief nr&quot;ctee &quot;yan &quot;father of (slave named) 'va'n, Excrement.&quot;
# Of kispo*dwerda phratry: wript laxa' &quot;sky house.&quot; It is inhabited by chief ne'tc 'yo-ct &quot;father o: (slave named) &quot;yo'ei,&quot;

{{c|PERSONAL NAMES OF THE ke' anwsitke.}}

Anything like a complete survey of the men's and women's names characteristic of the different clans of the Nass River Indians was, of course, entirely out of the question under the circumstances. It was necessary to content ourselves with a selection of typical names belonging to the different clans of one of the tribes, the &amp;ilenwelke. The names of highest rank are kept apart from the more common names. It is believed that at&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The two house names found among the {{nisga'a missing}} are:

# Of {{nisga'a missing}} clan (Eagle phratry): {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;Eagle's nest.&quot; This house was owned by Chief Derrick's maternal grandfather. It is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;salmon spearer&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;two-pronged salmon spear&quot;).
# Of {{nisga'a missing}} clan (Wolf phratry): {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;drumming all over in the house&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;drum&quot;). This house is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;ten eagles on a tree.&quot;

The three house names found among the {{nisga'a missing}} are:

# Of {{nisga'a missing}} clan (Eagle phratry): {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(house) that one gets ashamed in after entering (because it is so long)&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;to be ashamed&quot;). It is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}}.
# Of {{nisga'a missing}} (Wolf) phratry: {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;where black-bear lies down to sleep.&quot; It is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}}, Excrement.&quot;
# Of {{nisga'a missing}} phratry: {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;sky house.&quot; It is inhabited by chief {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}}.&quot;

{{c|PERSONAL NAMES OF THE {{nisga'a missing}}.}}

Anything like a complete survey of the men's and women's names characteristic of the different clans of the Nass River Indians was, of course, entirely out of the question under the circumstances. It was necessary to content ourselves with a selection of typical names belonging to the different clans of one of the tribes, the {{nisga'a missing}}. The names of highest rank are kept apart from the more common names. It is believed that at&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; a male name. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;little trout&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;trout&quot;), the noble female name of highest rank in the family.
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;lying stunned,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;big belly of {{nisga'a missing}}, a small salt-water fish&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bull-head&quot;), a woman's name.
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2. kedwe'nd-Rv''t clan, noblest names: 'axgipa'yuk* (eagle) remains on a trec, unable to fly,' the noble male name of highest rank. fsasgax ''white wind,&quot; a prince's name. Re*xk*, a male name. nekwalecltk® ''(eagle's) head drooping as he rests on a tree,' the nable female name of highest rank. It was borne by Chief Derrick's mother. itgakctax&quot; wagl tsamelx &quot;beaver's tail lying on the ground,' a princess' name.

More common names are: spayex** &quot;people sitting dewn in a row,' a man's name. gwadzaxga'ki &quot;mouse passes right through (anus) when swallowed&quot; (cf. ga-#i '&quot;'mouse''), a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;stone dish,&quot; the noble male name of highest rank in the family. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; a male name. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;little trout&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;trout&quot;), the noble female name of highest rank in the family.
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;lying stunned,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;big belly of {{nisga'a missing}}, a small salt-water fish&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bull-head&quot;), a woman's name.
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More common names are: spayex** &quot;people sitting dewn in a row,' a man's name. gwadzaxga'ki &quot;mouse passes right through (anus) when swallowed&quot; (cf. ga-#i '&quot;'mouse''), a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;big belly of {{nisga'a missing}}, a small salt-water fish&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bull-head&quot;), a woman's name.
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More common names are: spayex** &quot;people sitting dewn in a row,' a man's name. gwadzaxga'ki &quot;mouse passes right through (anus) when swallowed&quot; (cf. ga-#i '&quot;'mouse''), a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{np2/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names:
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white wind,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}}, a male name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle's) head drooping as he rests on a tree,&quot; the noble female name of highest rank. It was borne by Chief Derrick's mother.
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;stone dish,&quot; the noble male name of highest rank in the family. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; a male name. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;little trout&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;trout&quot;), the noble female name of highest rank in the family.
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;whale spouts,&quot; a princess' name. 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;lying stunned,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;big belly of {{nisga'a missing}}, a small salt-water fish&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bull-head&quot;), a woman's name.
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* {{nisga'a missing}}, a man's name.
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{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names: 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle) remains on a tree, unable to fly,&quot; the noble male name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white wind,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}}, a male name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle's) head drooping as he rests on a tree,&quot; the noble female name of highest rank. It was borne by Chief Derrick's mother.
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;beaver's tail lying on the ground,&quot; a princess' name.
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people sitting down in a row,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mouse passes right through (anus) when swallowed&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mouse&quot;), a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names:
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;stone dish,&quot; the noble male name of highest rank in the family. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;eagle flaps his wings slowly,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; a male name. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;little trout&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;trout&quot;), the noble female name of highest rank in the family.
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;whale spouts,&quot; a princess' name. 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;lying stunned,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;big belly of {{nisga'a missing}}, a small salt-water fish&quot; (cf. Tsimshian {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;bull-head&quot;), a woman's name.
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{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names: 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle) remains on a tree, unable to fly,&quot; the noble male name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white wind,&quot; a prince's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}}, a male name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle's) head drooping as he rests on a tree,&quot; the noble female name of highest rank. It was borne by Chief Derrick's mother.
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;beaver's tail lying on the ground,&quot; a princess' name.
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;people sitting down in a row,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mouse passes right through (anus) when swallowed&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mouse&quot;), a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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* patia-'t &quot;sit in the middle,&quot; a woman's name.

3. &amp;dwelvye'x* clan, noblest names: 
* terncg cba'yuk* &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* evdé-™ &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,' a man's name. 
* co-dé't &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
* Reimktyoq', a woman's name. 

More common names are: 
* tif &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and secing many people), a man's name. 
* tet lo-&quot;lag: &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (ef. dog: &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.

Il. Eagle phratry names.

1, semlaxsgi'k: clan, noblest names: 
* gadelabam haya'tsk&quot; &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. haya'isk® &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* nic kvttke &quot;father of (slave named) krt'ke,&quot; a man's mame. 
* nitsevts ga'' &quot;grandmother of (slave named) ga'?,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 

More commen names are: 
* xtseye* &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* noxe ha-tk* &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.

2. taxtsamel'y clan, noblest names: 
* galdixma'gt lolagil kibo- &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. lo-ladi &quot;corpse'&quot;), the male name of highest rank, 
* gam'néhetk* &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot;' a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* patia-'t &quot;sit in the middle,&quot; a woman's name.
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3. &amp;dwelvye'x* clan, noblest names: 
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* terncg cba'yuk* &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* evdé-™ &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,' a man's name. 
* co-dé't &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
* Reimktyoq', a woman's name. 
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More common names are: 
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* tif &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and secing many people), a man's name. 
* tet lo-&quot;lag: &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (ef. dog: &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.
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Il. Eagle phratry names.

1, semlaxsgi'k: clan, noblest names: 
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* gadelabam haya'tsk&quot; &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. haya'isk® &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* nic kvttke &quot;father of (slave named) krt'ke,&quot; a man's mame. 
* nitsevts ga'' &quot;grandmother of (slave named) ga'?,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
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More commen names are: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* xtseye* &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* noxe ha-tk* &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.
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2. taxtsamel'y clan, noblest names: 
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* galdixma'gt lolagil kibo- &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. lo-ladi &quot;corpse'&quot;), the male name of highest rank, 
* gam'néhetk* &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot;' a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* patia-'t &quot;sit in the middle,&quot; a woman's name.
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3. &amp;dwelvye'x* clan, noblest names: 
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* terncg cba'yuk* &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* evdé-™ &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,' a man's name. 
* co-dé't &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
* Reimktyoq', a woman's name. 
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More common names are: 
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* tif &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and secing many people), a man's name. 
* tet lo-&quot;lag: &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (ef. dog: &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.
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{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry names.

1, semlaxsgi'k: clan, noblest names: 
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* gadelabam haya'tsk&quot; &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. haya'isk® &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* nic kvttke &quot;father of (slave named) krt'ke,&quot; a man's mame. 
* nitsevts ga'' &quot;grandmother of (slave named) ga'?,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
{{plainlist/e}}

More commen names are: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* xtseye* &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* noxe ha-tk* &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.
{{plainlist/e}}

2. taxtsamel'y clan, noblest names: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* galdixma'gt lolagil kibo- &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. lo-ladi &quot;corpse'&quot;), the male name of highest rank, 
* gam'néhetk* &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot;' a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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3. &amp;dwelvye'x* clan, noblest names: 
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* terncg cba'yuk* &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* evdé-™ &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,' a man's name. 
* co-dé't &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
* Reimktyoq', a woman's name. 
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More common names are: 
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* tif &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and secing many people), a man's name. 
* tet lo-&quot;lag: &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (ef. dog: &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.
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{{np2/e}}

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{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry names.

1, semlaxsgi'k: clan, noblest names: 
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* gadelabam haya'tsk&quot; &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. haya'isk® &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* nic kvttke &quot;father of (slave named) krt'ke,&quot; a man's mame. 
* nitsevts ga'' &quot;grandmother of (slave named) ga'?,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
{{plainlist/e}}
{{np2/e}}

More commen names are: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* xtseye* &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* noxe ha-tk* &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.
{{plainlist/e}}
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2. taxtsamel'y clan, noblest names: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* galdixma'gt lolagil kibo- &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. lo-ladi &quot;corpse'&quot;), the male name of highest rank, 
* gam'néhetk* &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot;' a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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* terncg cba'yuk* &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* evdé-™ &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,' a man's name. 
* co-dé't &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
* Reimktyoq', a woman's name. 
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* tif &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and secing many people), a man's name. 
* tet lo-&quot;lag: &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (ef. dog: &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.
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{{np2/s|II.}}Eagle phratry names.

{{np2/s|1.}}semlaxsgi'k: clan, noblest names: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* gadelabam haya'tsk&quot; &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. haya'isk® &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* nic kvttke &quot;father of (slave named) krt'ke,&quot; a man's mame. 
* nitsevts ga'' &quot;grandmother of (slave named) ga'?,&quot; the female name of highest rank, 
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{{np2/s|More commen names are: }}{{clear}}
{{plainlist/s}}
* xtseye* &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* noxe ha-tk* &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.
{{plainlist/e}}
{{np2/e}}

{{np2/s|2.}}taxtsamel'y clan, noblest names: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* galdixma'gt lolagil kibo- &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. lo-ladi &quot;corpse'&quot;), the male name of highest rank, 
* gam'néhetk* &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot;' a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;sit in the middle,&quot; a woman's name.
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{{np2/s|3.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names: 
{{plainlist/s}}
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(eagle) flies away (without salmon which he had been eating when sitting down),&quot; the male name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(lake frozen over with) new ice,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;new lady,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}}, a woman's name. 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;get ashamed (when entering the house and seeing many people),&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;some rotten ones in a box&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;rotten&quot;), a man's name.
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{{np2/s|1.}}{{nisga'a missing}} clan, noblest names: 
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* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;anchor for a copper&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;ceremonial copper&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;father of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;grandmother of (slave named) {{nisga'a missing}},&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
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{{np2/s|More commen names are: }}{{clear}}
{{plainlist/s}}
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;come passing through a strait,&quot; a man's name. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;mother of (slave named) Woodpecker,&quot; a woman's name.
{{plainlist/e}}
{{np2/e}}

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{{plainlist/s}}
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;he throws behind corpse of wolf&quot; (cf. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;corpse&quot;), the male name of highest rank. 
* {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;(wolf) stands looking on bank and starts back,&quot; a man's name.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{plainlist/e}}
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* 'ekcqaice'* &quot;grizzly bear's foot,&quot; the female name of highest rank.
* 'na mi mov tk® &quot;(wolves) stand whining on bank of river,' a woman's name.

More common names are:
* ¢wadzaxkco'o'® &quot;fresh fish (eaten by bear or walf) passes through quickly,&quot; a man's name.
* le&quot;iskum tsamto'B* &quot;stinking in the navel&quot; (cf. fok* '&quot;'navel''}, a man's name.
* cayaitga'a'g' 'wolf pack comes together and howls,&quot; a woman's name.

Ill. kespordweda phratry names. 

1. kesdavsét clan, noblest names:
* wucinxpe''k* &quot;dividing copper into ten pieces,&quot; the male name of highest rank.
* witctkena'*gc ''wide bracelet,&quot; the female name of highest rank.

More commen names are:
* nevic hai wares &quot;father of (slave named) wa-gs.&quot;
* caitheds:? &quot;school of small fish all run out under water when touched by a man,&quot; a woman's name.

IV. gana'de phratry noblest names. 
* tsefa-t, the male name of highest rank. Its meaning is not known. 
* galkcdapyat &quot;two (wolves) go together,&quot; a man's name. 
* ''axdewallo-yada &quot;much property left behind in a box,&quot; a man's name. 
* bie go &quot;(wolf) swims from river across bay,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 

More common names are: 
* tati-7ick* &quot;'socks,&quot; a man's name. 
* geixk™ &quot;shouting,&quot; a man's name. 
* ya&quot; ak™, a woman's name. 
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* ¢wadzaxkco'o'® &quot;fresh fish (eaten by bear or walf) passes through quickly,&quot; a man's name.
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1. kesdavsét clan, noblest names:
* wucinxpe''k* &quot;dividing copper into ten pieces,&quot; the male name of highest rank.
* witctkena'*gc ''wide bracelet,&quot; the female name of highest rank.
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* tsefa-t, the male name of highest rank. Its meaning is not known. 
* galkcdapyat &quot;two (wolves) go together,&quot; a man's name. 
* ''axdewallo-yada &quot;much property left behind in a box,&quot; a man's name. 
* bie go &quot;(wolf) swims from river across bay,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
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* tati-7ick* &quot;'socks,&quot; a man's name. 
* geixk™ &quot;shouting,&quot; a man's name. 
* ya&quot; ak™, a woman's name. 
* ligahalye'* ''(wolf) walks along the beach,&quot; a woman's name.
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* ''axdewallo-yada &quot;much property left behind in a box,&quot; a man's name. 
* bie go &quot;(wolf) swims from river across bay,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
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More common names are: 
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* tati-7ick* &quot;'socks,&quot; a man's name. 
* geixk™ &quot;shouting,&quot; a man's name. 
* ya&quot; ak™, a woman's name. 
* ligahalye'* ''(wolf) walks along the beach,&quot; a woman's name.
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* ''axdewallo-yada &quot;much property left behind in a box,&quot; a man's name. 
* bie go &quot;(wolf) swims from river across bay,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
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* tati-7ick* &quot;'socks,&quot; a man's name. 
* geixk™ &quot;shouting,&quot; a man's name. 
* ya&quot; ak™, a woman's name. 
* ligahalye'* ''(wolf) walks along the beach,&quot; a woman's name.
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* nevic hai wares &quot;father of (slave named) wa-gs.&quot;
* caitheds:? &quot;school of small fish all run out under water when touched by a man,&quot; a woman's name.
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* ''axdewallo-yada &quot;much property left behind in a box,&quot; a man's name. 
* bie go &quot;(wolf) swims from river across bay,&quot; the female name of highest rank. 
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* geixk™ &quot;shouting,&quot; a man's name. 
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* ligahalye'* ''(wolf) walks along the beach,&quot; a woman's name.
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Of still greater interest are the names that refer to crests, The chief point to note with regard to these is that such names refer not to a crest of the clan or phratry to which they belong, but to a crest of one of the other three phratries. Thus, several Wolf phratry names refer to the eagle, the main crest of the Eagle phratry (e.g. &quot;Eagle-flaps-his-wings-slowly,&quot; 'Eagle-remains-on-a -tree-unable-to-fly,&quot; &quot;Eagle's-head-dreops-as-he-rests on-a-tree,&quot; &quot;&quot;Eagle-flies-away-without-salmon''); to the humpbacked whale, also an Eagle crest (e.g. ''Whale-spouts&quot;'); to the beaver, an Eagle erest (e.g. ''Beaver's-tail-lying-on-theground&quot;); and to the bullhead,&lt;ref&gt;The bullhead does not occur in my list of Nass River erests. 1 learn from Mr. (. M. Barbeau. who has reocntly made an exhaustive study of the secial organization of the Tsimshian proper, that the bullhead is a garhka'da crest.&lt;/ref&gt; a gana'da crest (e.g. &quot;Big-belly~ of-white&lt;ref&gt;1 do not know whether mic of this name ig to be translated &quot;white&quot; or &quot;red.&quot; Tt means properly &quot;red,&quot; but it scems to be regularly translated &quot;'white&quot; in crest namics, c.g. mBbc wa' &quot;white deer,&quot; si&quot;'c ha' &quot;white marten,&quot; mde &quot;2&quot;! &quot;white bear.&quot; Mr. Barbeau's testimony ia corroborative of this curious fact, for he Guds mes-'7't translated as &quot;white bear,' in spite of Boas' rendering of this term as &quot;red bear.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;-bullhead&quot;). Conversely, several Eagle phratry names refer to the wolf, the main crest of the Wolf phratry (e.g. ''Hethrows-behind-corpse-of-wolf,&quot;&quot; &quot;'Wolf-stands-looking-on-bankand-starts-back,&quot; &quot;Wolves-stand-whining-on-bank-of-river,&quot;' &quot;Wolf-pack-comes-together-and-howls&quot;); or to the grizzlybear, a Wolf (or possibly £espodwr'da) crest (e.g. &quot;Grizzlybear's foot&quot;). Some of the gana'da names also refer to the wolf (e.g. '&quot;Two-wolves-go-together,&quot; ''Wolf-walks-along-the-beach&quot;'). It is important to note that the strict linguistic analysis of the name does not in every casc make the reference to the crest animal&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Of still greater interest are the names that refer to crests, The chief point to note with regard to these is that such names refer not to a crest of the clan or phratry to which they belong, but to a crest of one of the other three phratries. Thus, several Wolf phratry names refer to the eagle, the main crest of the Eagle phratry (e.g. &quot;Eagle-flaps-his-wings-slowly,&quot; 'Eagle-remains-on-a -tree-unable-to-fly,&quot; &quot;Eagle's-head-dreops-as-he-rests on-a-tree,&quot; &quot;&quot;Eagle-flies-away-without-salmon''); to the humpbacked whale, also an Eagle crest (e.g. ''Whale-spouts&quot;'); to the beaver, an Eagle erest (e.g. ''Beaver's-tail-lying-on-theground&quot;); and to the bullhead,&lt;ref&gt;The bullhead does not occur in my list of Nass River erests. 1 learn from Mr. (. M. Barbeau. who has reocntly made an exhaustive study of the secial organization of the Tsimshian proper, that the bullhead is a garhka'da crest.&lt;/ref&gt; a gana'da crest (e.g. &quot;Big-belly~ of-white&lt;ref&gt;1 do not know whether mic of this name ig to be translated &quot;white&quot; or &quot;red.&quot; Tt means properly &quot;red,&quot; but it scems to be regularly translated &quot;'white&quot; in crest namics, c.g. mBbc wa' &quot;white deer,&quot; si&quot;'c ha' &quot;white marten,&quot; mde &quot;2&quot;! &quot;white bear.&quot; Mr. Barbeau's testimony ia corroborative of this curious fact, for he Guds mes-'7't translated as &quot;white bear,' in spite of Boas' rendering of this term as &quot;red bear.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;-bullhead&quot;). Conversely, several Eagle phratry names refer to the wolf, the main crest of the Wolf phratry (e.g. ''Hethrows-behind-corpse-of-wolf,&quot;&quot; &quot;'Wolf-stands-looking-on-bankand-starts-back,&quot; &quot;Wolves-stand-whining-on-bank-of-river,&quot;' &quot;Wolf-pack-comes-together-and-howls&quot;); or to the grizzlybear, a Wolf (or possibly £espodwr'da) crest (e.g. &quot;Grizzlybear's foot&quot;). Some of the gana'da names also refer to the wolf (e.g. '&quot;Two-wolves-go-together,&quot; ''Wolf-walks-along-the-beach&quot;'). It is important to note that the strict linguistic analysis of the name does not in every casc make the reference to the crest animal&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Of still greater interest are the names that refer to crests. The chief point to note with regard to these is that such names refer not to a crest of the clan or phratry to which they belong, but to a crest of one of the other three phratries. Thus, several Wolf phratry names refer to the eagle, the main crest of the Eagle phratry (e.g. &quot;Eagle-flaps-his-wings-slowly,&quot; &quot;Eagle-remains-on-a-tree-unable-to-fly,&quot; &quot;Eagle's-head-droops-as-he-rests on-a-tree,&quot; &quot;Eagle-flies-away-without-salmon&quot;); to the humpbacked whale, also an Eagle crest (e.g. &quot;Whale-spouts&quot;); to the beaver, an Eagle crest (e.g. &quot;Beaver's-tail-lying-on-the-ground&quot;); and to the bullhead,&lt;ref&gt;The bullhead does not occur in my list of Nass River crests. I learn from Mr. C. M. Barbeau, who has recently made an exhaustive study of the social organization of the Tsimshian proper, that the bullhead is a {{nisga'a missing}} crest.&lt;/ref&gt; a {{nisga'a missing}} crest (e.g. &quot;Big-belly-of-white&lt;ref&gt;I do not know whether {{nisga'a missing}} of this name is to be translated &quot;white&quot; or &quot;red.&quot; Tt means properly &quot;red,&quot; but it seems to be regularly translated &quot;white&quot; in crest names, e.g. {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white deer,&quot; {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white marten,&quot; {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;white bear.&quot; Mr. Barbeau's testimony is corroborative of this curious fact, for he finds {{nisga'a missing}} translated as &quot;white bear,&quot; in spite of Boas' rendering of this term as &quot;red bear.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;-bullhead&quot;). Conversely, several Eagle phratry names refer to the wolf, the main crest of the Wolf phratry (e.g. &quot;He-throws-behind-corpse-of-wolf,&quot; &quot;Wolf-stands-looking-on-bank-and-starts-back,&quot; &quot;Wolves-stand-whining-on-bank-of-river,&quot; &quot;Wolf-pack-comes-together-and-howls&quot;); or to the grizzly-bear, a Wolf (or possibly {{nisga'a missing}}) crest (e.g. &quot;Grizzly-bear's foot&quot;). Some of the {{nisga'a missing}} names also refer to the wolf (e.g. &quot;Two-wolves-go-together,&quot; &quot;Wolf-walks-along-the-beach&quot;). It is important to note that the strict linguistic analysis of the name does not in every case make the reference to the crest animal&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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When Chief Derrick's attention was called to the crossphratric charactcr of several of the names, he explained that such names were due to the fact that they were bestowed by the father, who, in a matrilineal society with phratric exogamy, necessarily belonged to a different phratry from his son or daughter. Thus,inaname like 'axg¢pa'yuk* &quot;Tagle-remains-on-a-treeunable-to-fly,&quot;&quot; borne by a Wolf man of the noble class, he stated specifically that the reference was to the crest of his Eagle father. Chief Derrick further connected the giving of a cross-phratric name with the fact that a child is born in a house belonging not to his own phratry, but to that of his father; when still young, however, he was sent away to be brought up at the house of his maternal uncle, where he would live with his family kinsmen. This custom of change of residence early in life finds its exact counterpart among the Haida.
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When Chief Derrick's attention was called to the cross-phratric character of several of the names, he explained that such names were due to the fact that they were bestowed by the father, who, in a matrilineal society with phratric exogamy, necessarily belonged to a different phratry from his son or daughter. Thus, in a name like {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;Eagle-remains-on-a-tree-unable-to-fly,&quot; borne by a Wolf man of the noble class, he stated specifically that the reference was to the crest of his Eagle father. Chief Derrick further connected the giving of a cross-phratric name with the fact that a child is born in a house belonging not to his own phratry, but to that of his father; when still young, however, he was sent away to be brought up at the house of his maternal uncle, where he would live with his family kinsmen. This custom of change of residence early in life finds its exact counterpart among the Haida.
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One or two incidental facts were obtained in regard to the ceremonial dances of the secret societies, and are here given for what they are worth. Among the ceremonial dances whose performance was regarded as an inheritable privilege are:

4. 'olla', in which the performers practised cannibalism.

2. lo-tim, in which the performers ate dogs.

3. hond'nd-t, in which the performers broke objects with a long club, later paying for the property destroyed with objects of greater value.

Chief Derrick claimed that the 'o laid and Jovtim were the two head dances and that the ko-nd-nd-? was used only by princes. He claimed to have the right to the performance of the lovin and ho-nd-nd't but not to that of the 'olala
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A few scanty notes were obtained on the classes of society formerly recognized among the Nass River Indians. Chief Derrick recognized three main classes:

1. camgiga't 'nobles, chiefs.&quot;'

2. wava'tn &quot;common people.&quot;

3. téderngdt &quot;slaves.&quot;

The term tdie-nget is evidently the reduplicated plural of levngd (cf. Tlingit tngvt), the Tlingit word for &quot;people.&quot; It implies that the main source of the slave class among the Nags River people was constituted by captives taken in war with the Tlingit Indians to the north.

The common people, as well as the nobles, were represented in all four of the phratries or p'te-tg'. They were allowed to show the less important crests in potlatches, but not the main crests.

1A relatively full account of the secret societies of the Nass River Indians js given by F, Boas fn his report on The Social Organization and the Secret Sactelies of the Rwakinll Indians
{Report of U. S National Museum fer 1805}, DP. 651-659,
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One or two incidental facts were obtained in regard to the ceremonial dances of the secret societies, and are here given for what they are worth. Among the ceremonial dances whose performance was regarded as an inheritable privilege are:

# 'olla', in which the performers practised cannibalism.
# lo-tim, in which the performers ate dogs.
# hond'nd-t, in which the performers broke objects with a long club, later paying for the property destroyed with objects of greater value.

Chief Derrick claimed that the 'o laid and Jovtim were the two head dances and that the ko-nd-nd-? was used only by princes. He claimed to have the right to the performance of the lovin and ho-nd-nd't but not to that of the 'olala&lt;ref&gt;A relatively full account of the secret societies of the Nass River Indians js given by F, Boas fn his report on The Social Organization and the Secret Sactelies of the Rwakinll Indians {Report of U. S National Museum fer 1805}, DP. 651-659,&lt;/ref&gt;
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A few scanty notes were obtained on the classes of society formerly recognized among the Nass River Indians. Chief Derrick recognized three main classes:

# camgiga't 'nobles, chiefs.&quot;'
# wava'tn &quot;common people.&quot;
# téderngdt &quot;slaves.&quot;

The term tdie-nget is evidently the reduplicated plural of levngd (cf. Tlingit tngvt), the Tlingit word for &quot;people.&quot; It implies that the main source of the slave class among the Nags River people was constituted by captives taken in war with the Tlingit Indians to the north.

The common people, as well as the nobles, were represented in all four of the phratries or p'te-tg'. They were allowed to show the less important crests in potlatches, but not the main crests.
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One or two incidental facts were obtained in regard to the ceremonial dances of the secret societies, and are here given for what they are worth. Among the ceremonial dances whose performance was regarded as an inheritable privilege are:

# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers practised cannibalism.
# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers ate dogs.
# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers broke objects with a long club, later paying for the property destroyed with objects of greater value.

Chief Derrick claimed that the {{nisga'a missing}} and {{nisga'a missing}} were the two head dances and that the {{nisga'a missing}} was used only by princes. He claimed to have the right to the performance of the {{nisga'a missing}} and {{nisga'a missing}} but not to that of the {{nisga'a missing}}&lt;ref&gt;A relatively full account of the secret societies of the Nass River Indians is given by F. Boas in his report on ''The Social Organization and the Secret Societies of the Kwakiutl Indians'' (Report of U. S. National Museum for 1895), pp. 651–659.&lt;/ref&gt;

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A few scanty notes were obtained on the classes of society formerly recognized among the Nass River Indians. Chief Derrick recognized three main classes:

# camgiga't 'nobles, chiefs.&quot;'
# wava'tn &quot;common people.&quot;
# téderngdt &quot;slaves.&quot;

The term tdie-nget is evidently the reduplicated plural of levngd (cf. Tlingit tngvt), the Tlingit word for &quot;people.&quot; It implies that the main source of the slave class among the Nags River people was constituted by captives taken in war with the Tlingit Indians to the north.

The common people, as well as the nobles, were represented in all four of the phratries or p'te-tg'. They were allowed to show the less important crests in potlatches, but not the main crests.
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One or two incidental facts were obtained in regard to the ceremonial dances of the secret societies, and are here given for what they are worth. Among the ceremonial dances whose performance was regarded as an inheritable privilege are:

# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers practised cannibalism.
# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers ate dogs.
# {{nisga'a missing}}, in which the performers broke objects with a long club, later paying for the property destroyed with objects of greater value.

Chief Derrick claimed that the {{nisga'a missing}} and {{nisga'a missing}} were the two head dances and that the {{nisga'a missing}} was used only by princes. He claimed to have the right to the performance of the {{nisga'a missing}} and {{nisga'a missing}} but not to that of the {{nisga'a missing}}&lt;ref&gt;A relatively full account of the secret societies of the Nass River Indians is given by F. Boas in his report on ''The Social Organization and the Secret Societies of the Kwakiutl Indians'' (Report of U. S. National Museum for 1895), pp. 651–659.&lt;/ref&gt;

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A few scanty notes were obtained on the classes of society formerly recognized among the Nass River Indians. Chief Derrick recognized three main classes:

# {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;nobles, chiefs.&quot;
# {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;common people.&quot;
# {{nisga'a missing}} &quot;slaves.&quot;

The term {{nisga'a missing}} is evidently the reduplicated plural of {{nisga'a missing}} (cf. Tlingit {{americanist missing}}), the Tlingit word for &quot;people.&quot; It implies that the main source of the slave class among the Nags River people was constituted by captives taken in war with the Tlingit Indians to the north.

The common people, as well as the nobles, were represented in all four of the phratries or {{nisga'a missing}}. They were allowed to show the less important crests in potlatches, but not the main crests.
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''Vowels:''

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* ''a'', like ''a'' of German ''hat''. It often, in fact normally, is slightly palatalized, corresponding to ''a'' of French ''la''.
* ''ä'', like ''a'' of English ''hat''.
* ''α'', like ''u'' of English ''but''.
* ''e'', like ''e'' of French ''été''.
* ''ε'', like ''e'' of English ''men''.
* ''i'', like ''i'' of French ''fini''.
* ''ι'', like ''i'' of English ''it''.
* ''o'', like ''o'' of English ''note''.
* ''ɔ'', like ''o'' of German ''voll''.
* ''ω'', approximately like ''aw'' of English ''law''. It stands acoustically midway between ''a'' and ''ɔ''.
* ''u'', like ''ou'' of French ''bouche''.
* ''υ'', like ''u'' of English ''full''.
* ''ᵃ'', ''ᵉ'', ''ᵋ'', ''ⁱ'', ''ᵓ'', ''ᵒ'', ''ᵘ'',  are weakly articulated forms of ''a'', ''e'', ''ε'', ''i'', ''ɔ'', ''o'', ''u'' respectively. They generally occur as rearticulations of preceding fuller vowels.
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''Consonants:''
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* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''b'', as in English ''be''; softened form of ''p''.
* ''p'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''b'' and ''p''.
* ''pʽ'', surd ''p'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''p''.
* ''p&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''p'', i.e. ''p'' pronounced with simultaneous glottal closure, release of oral closure being earlier than that of glottal closure; between vowels ''p&amp;#x313;'' is pronounced with less stress, so as to suggest ''bʼ''.
* ''m'', as in English.
* ''ʼm'', ''m'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''w'', as in English ''we''.
* ''ʼw'', ''w'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''d'', as in English ''do''; softened form of ''t''.
* ''t'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''d'' and ''t''.
* ''tʽ'', surd ''t'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''t''.
* ''t&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''t'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''dʼ''.
* ''n'', as in English.
* ''nʼ'', ''n'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x32F;'', anterior palatal ''g'', approximately as in English ''argue'' (including ''y''-element of ''u''); softened form of ''k&amp;#x32F;''
* ''k&amp;#x32F;'', intermediate in articulation, approximately like ''c'' of English ''excuse'' (including ''y''-element of ''u'').
* ''k&amp;#x32F;ʽ'', surd ''k&amp;#x32F;'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;&amp;#x32F;'', glottalized ''k&amp;#x32F;'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''y'', as in English ''yes''.
* ''ʼy'', ''y'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''x&amp;#x32F;'', voiceless anterior palatal spirant, like ''ch'' of German ''ich''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g'', as in English ''gun''; softened form of ''k.''
* ''k'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''g'' and ''k''.
* ''kʽ'', surd ''k'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''k'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g’'',
* ''gw'', ''kw'', ''kʽᵘ'', ''k&amp;#x313;w'', (''k&amp;#x313;ᵘ''), labialized forms of ''g'', ''k'', ''kʽ'', and ''k&amp;#x313;'' respectively.
* ''x'', ''xᵘ'', voiceless spirants corresponding in position to ''kʽ'' and ''kʽᵘ''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x323;'', velar ''g''; softened form of ''q''.
* ''q'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between ''g&amp;#x323;'' and surd ''q''.
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''Vowels:''
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* ''a'', like ''a'' of German ''hat''. It often, in fact normally, is slightly palatalized, corresponding to ''a'' of French ''la''.
* ''ä'', like ''a'' of English ''hat''.
* ''α'', like ''u'' of English ''but''.
* ''e'', like ''e'' of French ''été''.
* ''ε'', like ''e'' of English ''men''.
* ''i'', like ''i'' of French ''fini''.
* ''ι'', like ''i'' of English ''it''.
* ''o'', like ''o'' of English ''note''.
* ''ɔ'', like ''o'' of German ''voll''.
* ''ω'', approximately like ''aw'' of English ''law''. It stands acoustically midway between ''a'' and ''ɔ''.
* ''u'', like ''ou'' of French ''bouche''.
* ''υ'', like ''u'' of English ''full''.
* ''ᵃ'', ''ᵉ'', ''ᵋ'', ''ⁱ'', ''ᵓ'', ''ᵒ'', ''ᵘ'',  are weakly articulated forms of ''a'', ''e'', ''ε'', ''i'', ''ɔ'', ''o'', ''u'' respectively. They generally occur as rearticulations of preceding fuller vowels.
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* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''b'', as in English ''be''; softened form of ''p''.
* ''p'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''b'' and ''p''.
* ''pʽ'', surd ''p'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''p''.
* ''p&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''p'', i.e. ''p'' pronounced with simultaneous glottal closure, release of oral closure being earlier than that of glottal closure; between vowels ''p&amp;#x313;'' is pronounced with less stress, so as to suggest ''bʼ''.
* ''m'', as in English.
* ''ʼm'', ''m'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''w'', as in English ''we''.
* ''ʼw'', ''w'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''d'', as in English ''do''; softened form of ''t''.
* ''t'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''d'' and ''t''.
* ''tʽ'', surd ''t'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''t''.
* ''t&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''t'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''dʼ''.
* ''n'', as in English.
* ''nʼ'', ''n'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x32F;'', anterior palatal ''g'', approximately as in English ''argue'' (including ''y''-element of ''u''); softened form of ''k&amp;#x32F;''
* ''k&amp;#x32F;'', intermediate in articulation, approximately like ''c'' of English ''excuse'' (including ''y''-element of ''u'').
* ''k&amp;#x32F;ʽ'', surd ''k&amp;#x32F;'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;&amp;#x32F;'', glottalized ''k&amp;#x32F;'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''y'', as in English ''yes''.
* ''ʼy'', ''y'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''x&amp;#x32F;'', voiceless anterior palatal spirant, like ''ch'' of German ''ich''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g'', as in English ''gun''; softened form of ''k.''
* ''k'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''g'' and ''k''.
* ''kʽ'', surd ''k'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''k'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g’'',
* ''gw'', ''kw'', ''kʽᵘ'', ''k&amp;#x313;w'', (''k&amp;#x313;ᵘ''), labialized forms of ''g'', ''k'', ''kʽ'', and ''k&amp;#x313;'' respectively.
* ''x'', ''xᵘ'', voiceless spirants corresponding in position to ''kʽ'' and ''kʽᵘ''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x323;'', velar ''g''; softened form of ''q''.
* ''q'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between ''g&amp;#x323;'' and surd ''q''.
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* ''a'', like ''a'' of German ''hat''. It often, in fact normally, is slightly palatalized, corresponding to ''a'' of French ''la''.
* ''ä'', like ''a'' of English ''hat''.
* ''α'', like ''u'' of English ''but''.
* ''e'', like ''e'' of French ''été''.
* ''ε'', like ''e'' of English ''men''.
* ''i'', like ''i'' of French ''fini''.
* ''ι'', like ''i'' of English ''it''.
* ''o'', like ''o'' of English ''note''.
* ''ɔ'', like ''o'' of German ''voll''.
* ''ω'', approximately like ''aw'' of English ''law''. It stands acoustically midway between ''a'' and ''ɔ''.
* ''u'', like ''ou'' of French ''bouche''.
* ''υ'', like ''u'' of English ''full''.
* ''ᵃ'', ''ᵉ'', ''ᵋ'', ''ⁱ'', ''ᵓ'', ''ᵒ'', ''ᵘ'',  are weakly articulated forms of ''a'', ''e'', ''ε'', ''i'', ''ɔ'', ''o'', ''u'' respectively. They generally occur as rearticulations of preceding fuller vowels.
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* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''b'', as in English ''be''; softened form of ''p''.
* ''p'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''b'' and ''p''.
* ''pʽ'', surd ''p'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''p''.
* ''p&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''p'', i.e. ''p'' pronounced with simultaneous glottal closure, release of oral closure being earlier than that of glottal closure; between vowels ''p&amp;#x313;'' is pronounced with less stress, so as to suggest ''bʼ''.
* ''m'', as in English.
* ''ʼm'', ''m'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''w'', as in English ''we''.
* ''ʼw'', ''w'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''d'', as in English ''do''; softened form of ''t''.
* ''t'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''d'' and ''t''.
* ''tʽ'', surd ''t'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''t''.
* ''t&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''t'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''dʼ''.
* ''n'', as in English.
* ''nʼ'', ''n'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x32F;'', anterior palatal ''g'', approximately as in English ''argue'' (including ''y''-element of ''u''); softened form of ''k&amp;#x32F;''
* ''k&amp;#x32F;'', intermediate in articulation, approximately like ''c'' of English ''excuse'' (including ''y''-element of ''u'').
* ''k&amp;#x32F;ʽ'', surd ''k&amp;#x32F;'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;&amp;#x32F;'', glottalized ''k&amp;#x32F;'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g&amp;#x32F;''.
* ''y'', as in English ''yes''.
* ''ʼy'', ''y'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''x&amp;#x32F;'', voiceless anterior palatal spirant, like ''ch'' of German ''ich''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g'', as in English ''gun''; softened form of ''k.''
* ''k'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between English ''g'' and ''k''.
* ''kʽ'', surd ''k'' followed by aspiration; developed from ''k''.
* ''k&amp;#x313;'', glottalized ''k'' (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); between vowels it suggests ''g’'',
* ''gw'', ''kw'', ''kʽᵘ'', ''k&amp;#x313;w'', (''k&amp;#x313;ᵘ''), labialized forms of ''g'', ''k'', ''kʽ'', and ''k&amp;#x313;'' respectively.
* ''x'', ''xᵘ'', voiceless spirants corresponding in position to ''kʽ'' and ''kʽᵘ''.
* {{overfloat left|{{brace2|4|l}}}}''g&amp;#x323;'', velar ''g''; softened form of ''q''.
* ''q'', intermediate in articulation, i.e. acoustically midway between ''g&amp;#x323;'' and surd ''q''.
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* ''c'', acoustically midway between ''s'' and ''sh'' of English ''ship''. ''s'' and ''c'' are variants of one sound.
* ''dj'', approximately ''j'' of English ''just'', but verging towards ''dz''.
* ''ts'', ''tc'', approximately like ''ts'' and ''ch'' of English ''hats'' and ''child'' respectively; variants of one sound.
* ''t&amp;#x313;s'', ''t&amp;#x313;c'', glottalized forms of ''ts'' and ''tc'' respectively (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); variants of one sound.
* ''l'', as in English.
* ''ʼl'', ''l'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
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* ''ʼ'', glottal closure.
* ''ʽ'', breath release.
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* ''c'', acoustically midway between ''s'' and ''sh'' of English ''ship''. ''s'' and ''c'' are variants of one sound.
* ''dj'', approximately ''j'' of English ''just'', but verging towards ''dz''.
* ''ts'', ''tc'', approximately like ''ts'' and ''ch'' of English ''hats'' and ''child'' respectively; variants of one sound.
* ''t&amp;#x313;s'', ''t&amp;#x313;c'', glottalized forms of ''ts'' and ''tc'' respectively (defined similarly to ''p&amp;#x313;''); variants of one sound.
* ''l'', as in English.
* ''ʼl'', ''l'' pronounced with glottal closure immediately preceding.
* ''ł'', voiceless spirantal ''l''.&lt;!--The authors of [[Phonetic Transcription of Indian Languages]] (including Sapir) specify to use U+019A ƚ LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH BAR for this purpose; however in the present work Sapir is clearly using  U+0142 ł LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH STROKE --&gt;
* ''ⁿ'', ''ˡ'', ''ᵗ'', ''ᵏ'', weakly articulated forms of ''n'', ''l'', ''t'', and ''k'', occurring in final position.
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* ''ʽ'', breath release.
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! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{asc|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{asc|Δ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ
| λ
| ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τᴧ
| δλ
| τᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{Asc|Δ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{Asc|Δ}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;c
| d&amp;#x323;j
| {{SIC|tcǃ|t&amp;#x323;c!}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}, ʟ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;
| g&amp;#x32F;
| ɢ&amp;#x32F;
| k&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| k&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}&amp;#x32F;{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴘ&amp;#x32F;&lt;!-- hard to tell whether this is a ᴘ (correct) or a ρ (typo); I'm assuming it's correct --&gt;
| ρ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴘ&amp;#x32F;ǃ&lt;!-- ditto --&gt;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k
| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x
| γ
| xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| kƚ
| gl
| kƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ|ᴘ}}
| ρ
| {{SIC|ρ!|ᴘǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Back palatal, velar
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323; (q)
| g&amp;#x323;
| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;|ᴘ&amp;#x323;}}
| ρ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;!|ᴘ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Glottal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Laryngeal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| h&amp;#x323;
| (any vowel with laryngeal resonance)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|}
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|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp; 
! colspan=&quot;5&quot; | Stops
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Spirants
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Affricates
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Nasals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Laterals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Lateral Affricates
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Rolled Consonants
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Intermed.
! Aspir.
! Glottalized
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{asc|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{asc|Δ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ
| λ
| ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τᴧ
| δλ
| τᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{Asc|Δ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{Asc|Δ}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;c
| d&amp;#x323;j
| {{SIC|tcǃ|t&amp;#x323;c!}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}, ʟ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;
| g&amp;#x32F;
| ɢ&amp;#x32F;
| k&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| k&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}&amp;#x32F;{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;}}
| ρ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;!|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k
| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x
| γ
| xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| kƚ
| gl
| kƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ|ᴘ}}
| ρ
| {{SIC|ρ!|ᴘǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Back palatal, velar
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323; (q)
| g&amp;#x323;
| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;|ᴘ&amp;#x323;}}
| ρ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;!|ᴘ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Glottal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Laryngeal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| h&amp;#x323;
| (any vowel with laryngeal resonance)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|}
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      <text bytes="9499" sha1="bf9yee0b3thkibl034ur302yl1c1ry9" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;{| class=&quot;__consonant-table&quot;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp; 
! colspan=&quot;5&quot; | Stops
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Spirants
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Affricates
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Nasals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Laterals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Lateral Affricates
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Rolled Consonants
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Intermed.
! Aspir.
! Glottalized
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{SIC|Δ}}
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ
| λ
| ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τᴧ
| δλ
| τᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x323;}}
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{SIC|Δ}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;c
| d&amp;#x323;j
| {{SIC|tcǃ|t&amp;#x323;c!}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}, ʟ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;
| g&amp;#x32F;
| ɢ&amp;#x32F;
| k&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| k&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}&amp;#x32F;{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;}}
| ρ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;!|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k
| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x
| γ
| xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| kƚ
| gl
| kƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ|ᴘ}}
| ρ
| {{SIC|ρ!|ᴘǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Back palatal, velar
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323; (q)
| g&amp;#x323;
| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;|ᴘ&amp;#x323;}}
| ρ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;!|ᴘ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Glottal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Laryngeal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| h&amp;#x323;
| (any vowel with laryngeal resonance)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|}
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      <text bytes="9655" sha1="pbbdnqtp4wei6k6c1yly46fnbxhmj4l" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;{| class=&quot;__consonant-table&quot;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp; 
! colspan=&quot;5&quot; | Stops
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Spirants
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Affricates
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Nasals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Laterals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Lateral Affricates
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Rolled Consonants
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Intermed.
! Aspir.
! Glottalized
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ
| λ
| ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τᴧ
| δλ
| τᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x323;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;c
| d&amp;#x323;j
| {{SIC|tcǃ|t&amp;#x323;c!}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}, ʟ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;
| g&amp;#x32F;
| ɢ&amp;#x32F;
| k&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| k&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}&amp;#x32F;{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;}}
| ρ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;!|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k
| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x
| γ
| xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| kƚ
| gl
| kƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ|ᴘ}}
| ρ
| {{SIC|ρ!|ᴘǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Back palatal, velar
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323; (q)
| g&amp;#x323;
| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{asc|Ŋ&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ŋ&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;|ᴘ&amp;#x323;}}
| ρ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;!|ᴘ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Glottal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Laryngeal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| h&amp;#x323;
| (any vowel with laryngeal resonance)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|}
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      <text bytes="9673" sha1="milgw1e6vd0t89wctyfyynvkedwncl6" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;{| class=&quot;__consonant-table&quot;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp; 
! colspan=&quot;5&quot; | Stops
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Spirants
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Affricates
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Nasals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Laterals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Lateral Affricates
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Rolled Consonants
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Intermed.
! Aspir.
! Glottalized
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ
| λ
| ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τᴧ
| δλ
| τᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x323;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;c
| d&amp;#x323;j
| {{SIC|tcǃ|t&amp;#x323;c!}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}, ʟ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;
| g&amp;#x32F;
| ɢ&amp;#x32F;
| k&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| k&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Ŋ}}&amp;#x32F;&lt;!-- should be small caps, but isn't --&gt;
| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;}}
| ρ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x32F;!|ᴘ&amp;#x32F;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| k
| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x
| γ
| xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Ŋ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps, but isn't --&gt;
| ŋ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| kƚ
| gl
| kƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ|ᴘ}}
| ρ
| {{SIC|ρ!|ᴘǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Back palatal, velar
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323; (q)
| g&amp;#x323;
| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Ŋ&amp;#x323;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps, but isn't --&gt;
| ŋ&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;|ᴘ&amp;#x323;}}
| ρ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|ρ&amp;#x323;!|ᴘ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Glottal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Laryngeal
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| h&amp;#x323;
| (any vowel with laryngeal resonance)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|}
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      <text bytes="10353" sha1="6l84g576a8nfg8ef3vwxzanxtdu1qra" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;2&quot; user=&quot;Beleg Âlt&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;{| class=&quot;__consonant-table&quot;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp; 
! colspan=&quot;5&quot; | Stops
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Spirants
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Affricates
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Nasals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Laterals
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Lateral Affricates
! colspan=&quot;3&quot; | Rolled Consonants
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Intermed.
! Aspir.
! Glottalized
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.&lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot;&gt;Glottalized aspirants, affricatives, laterals, lateral affricatives, and rolled consonants may also be designated by superscript ʼ. See glotallized stops.&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
&lt;!----&gt;
! Surd
! Sonant
! Glot.
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (rounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| b{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ʙ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p{{sub|w}}ʽ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| p&amp;#x313;{{sub|w}}, p{{sub|w}}ǃ{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƕ
| w
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pƕ
| bw
| pƕǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| m{{sub|w}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Bilabial (unrounded)
&lt;!----&gt;
| p
| b
| ʙ
| pʽ
| p&amp;#x313;, pǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| φ
| β
| φǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pφ
| bβ
| pφǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ᴍ
| m
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dento-labial
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| f
| v
| fǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| pf
| bv
| pfǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Interdental
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| θ
| ϑ
| θǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tθ
| dϑ
| tθǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;
| d&amp;#x32F;
| ᴅ&amp;#x32F;
| t&amp;#x32F;ʽ
| t&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x32F;
| z&amp;#x32F;
| s&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;s
| d&amp;#x32F;z
| t&amp;#x32F;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x32F;
| n&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x32F;, ʟ&amp;#x32F;
| l&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| d&amp;#x32F;l
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; t&amp;#x32F;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x32F;
| r&amp;#x32F;
| &lt;ref name=&quot;glot&quot; /&gt; ʀ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Linguo-alveolar
&lt;!----&gt;
| t
| d
| ᴅ
| tʽ
| t&amp;#x313;, tǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s
| z
| sǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ts
| dz
| tsǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ
| n
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ, ʟ
| l
| ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tƚ
| dl
| tƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ
| r
| ʀǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Cerebral
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;
| d&amp;#x323;
| ᴅ&amp;#x323;
| t&amp;#x323;ʽ
| ṭ&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| s&amp;#x323;
| z&amp;#x323;
| s&amp;#x323;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;s
| d&amp;#x323;z
| t&amp;#x323;s!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ɴ&amp;#x323;
| n&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;, ʟ&amp;#x323;
| l&amp;#x323;
| ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x323;ƚ
| d&amp;#x323;l
| t&amp;#x323;ƚǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;
| r&amp;#x323;
| ʀ&amp;#x323;ǃ
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-dental
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;
| δ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x32F;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ̯ʽ
| τ&amp;#x32F;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x32F;
| ζ&amp;#x32F;
| σ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x32F;σ
| δ&amp;#x32F;ζ
| τ&amp;#x32F;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x32F;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Λ&amp;#x32F;|ᴧ&amp;#x32F;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| λ&amp;#x32F;
| {{SIC|Λ&amp;#x32F;ǃ|ᴧ&amp;#x32F;ǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|τ&amp;#x32F;Λ|τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| δ&amp;#x32F;λ
| {{SIC|τ&amp;#x32F;Λǃ|τ&amp;#x32F;ᴧǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorsal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ
| δ
| {{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τʽ
| τ&amp;#x313;, τǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ
| ζ
| σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τσ
| δζ
| τσǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Λ|ᴧ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| λ
| {{SIC|Λǃ|ᴧǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|τΛ|τᴧ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| δλ
| {{SIC|τΛǃ|τᴧǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Dorso-palatal
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;
| δ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|Δ&amp;#x323;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;ʽ
| τ&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, τ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| σ&amp;#x323;
| ζ&amp;#x323;
| σ&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| τ&amp;#x323;σ
| δ&amp;#x323;ζ
| τ&amp;#x323;σǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{x-larger|ν&amp;#x323;}}{{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ν&amp;#x323;
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|Λ&amp;#x323;|ᴧ&amp;#x323;}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| λ&amp;#x323;
| {{SIC|Λ&amp;#x323;ǃ|ᴧ&amp;#x323;ǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| {{SIC|τ&amp;#x323;Λ|τ&amp;#x323;ᴧ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
| δ&amp;#x323;λ
| {{SIC|τ&amp;#x323;Λǃ|τ&amp;#x323;ᴧǃ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Anterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| ({{SIC|Δ}}&lt;!-- should be small caps but isn't --&gt;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τ̓&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, τ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x32F;
| j&amp;#x32F;
| c&amp;#x32F;!
&lt;!----&gt;
| t&amp;#x32F;c
| d&amp;#x32F;j
| t&amp;#x32F;c!
&lt;!----&gt;
| ({{x-larger|ν}}{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ν{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (λ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (δλ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (τᴧ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Mid {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x313;{{sub|y}}, t{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c
| j
| cǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| tc
| dj
| tcǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ɴ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (n{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}, ʟ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (l{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (dl{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (tƚ{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
! Posterior {{nowrap|c-sounds}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (d&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (ᴅ&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ʽ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
| (t&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, t&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}ǃ){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
&lt;!----&gt;
| c&amp;#x323;
| j&amp;#x323;
| c&amp;#x323;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
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| d&amp;#x323;j
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| (l&amp;#x323;{{sub|y}}){{Americanist missing|unicode=no}}
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| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
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&lt;!----&gt;
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| x&amp;#x32F;
| γ&amp;#x32F; ;y
| x&amp;#x32F;ǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;x
| g&amp;#x32F;γ
| k&amp;#x32F;xǃ
&lt;!----&gt;
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| ŋ&amp;#x32F;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ
| g&amp;#x32F;l
| k&amp;#x32F;ƚ&amp;#x32F;ǃ
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&lt;!----&gt;
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| g
| ɢ
| kʽ
| k&amp;#x313;, kǃ
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| x
| γ
| xǃ
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| kx
| gγ
| kxǃ
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&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
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| gl
| kƚǃ
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| ɢ&amp;#x323;
| k&amp;#x323;ʽ
| k&amp;#x323;&amp;#x313;, k&amp;#x323;ǃ
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| x&amp;#x323;
| γ&amp;#x323;
| x&amp;#x323;ǃ
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| k&amp;#x323;x
| g&amp;#x323;γ
| k&amp;#x323;xǃ
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| ŋ&amp;#x323;
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| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ
| g&amp;#x323;l
| k&amp;#x323;ƚ&amp;#x323;ǃ{{sic}}
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&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʽ, h
| a (any vowel)
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼʽ
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| (a&amp;#x313;)
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
|- &lt;!---------------------------------------&gt;
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&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| ʼʽ{{sic}}
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
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&lt;!----&gt;
| ʼ&amp;#x323;h&amp;#x323;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
&lt;!----&gt;
| &amp;nbsp;
| &amp;nbsp;
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For vowel qualities due to mixed positions, such as the umlauted ''o'' and ''i'' in German, two dots above the letter are recommended (''ö'').

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Vowels of any timbre as determined by the shape of the mouth cavity may be further modified by the addition of the resonance chamber of the nose. Such nasal quality in vowels (as in the French nasalized vowels) may be indicated by adding beneath the letter a hook turning to the right (''ą'').

It is to be understood that if only one of the qualities usually associated with a roman letter occurs in the language in question, that letter is to.be used without a diacritical mark (similarly, ''o'' is to be used instead of turned ''c'' (''ɔ'') if there is only an open ''o'' in the language).

2. ''Duration.''—The duration or quantity of vowel sounds, often an essential matter, may be indicated by placing a mark after the vowel. It is recommended that a turned period (''a·'') or a colon (''a:'') be used for vowels long in duration, and a breve (''a˘'') for those unusually short. It is important that these marks be used after the vowels to avoid confusion between duration and quality or timbre, since they are not necessarily connected, as is generally assumed to be the case in English.

3. ''Pitch''—In certain languages vowel sounds are distinguished from each other by definite variations in pitch. When such variations of pitch are essential, the acute accent over the vowel (''á'') should be used for high pitch, and grave (''à'') for low pitch, the circumflex (''â'') for falling pitch, and the inverted circumflex (''ǎ'') for rising pitch. When it becomes necessary in the recording of a language to use these accents to represent pitch, similar diacritical marks for quality over the vowels are best avoided.

4. ''Weak vowels''—Vowels which are of full duration and strength but not voiced, such as whispered vowels, may well be represented by small capitals. When vowels are slighted in the force of enunciation, but are voiced, exponent vowels should be used (''w{{sup|l}}'').

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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby proclaim:

An essential feature of any sovereign nation is the existence of territorial boundaries and the inherent authority to decide who and what may cross those boundaries. The Supreme Court of the United States has described this power as a ‘‘fundamental act of sovereignty,’’ which ‘‘stems not alone from legislative power but is inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation.’’ ''U.S. ex rel. Knauff'' v. ''Shaughnessy,'' 338 U.S. 537, 542 (1950). The Supreme Court has recognized the inherent right and duty of the Executive Branch to defend our national sovereignty, stating that ‘‘[w]hen Congress prescribes a procedure concerning the admissibility of aliens, it is not dealing alone with a legislative power. It is implementing an inherent executive power.’’ ''Id.''

The Congress has, in establishing ‘‘an uniform Rule of Naturalization,’’ created a complex and comprehensive Federal scheme in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 ''et seq.,'' to control the entry and exit of people and goods across the borders of the United States. In routine circumstances, this complex and comprehensive scheme can protect the national sovereignty of the United States by facilitating the admission of individuals whose presence serves the national interest and preventing the admission of those who do not, such as those aliens who pose threats to public health, section 212(a)(1) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(1); safety, section 212(a)(2) (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(2)); and national security, section 212(a)(3) (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3)). Prospective immigrants who use the visa system are screened for such health, safety, and security concerns while outside of the United States, and are not permitted to enter the United States until they establish that they are eligible to be admitted as a matter of law and should be admitted as a matter of discretion.

But screening under those provisions of the INA can be wholly ineffective in the border environment, where access to necessary information is limited for aliens who have traveled from countries around the world to enter the United States illegally, or when the system is overwhelmed, leading to the unauthorized entry of innumerable illegal aliens into the United States.

Due to significant information gaps—particularly in the border environment—and processing times, Federal officials do not have the ability to verify with certainty the criminal record or national-security risks associated with the illegal entry of every alien at the southern border, as required by section 212(a)(2)–(3) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(2)–(3). Nor do aliens who illegally cross the southern border readily provide comprehensive background information from their home countries to Federal law enforcement officials.

The public safety and national security risks in such an environment are heightened by the presence of, and control of territory by, international cartels and other transnational criminal organizations on the other side of the southern border, as well as terrorists and other malign actors who intend to harm the United States and the American people. And the risks&lt;noinclude&gt;{{EOfooter}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|Oh don't you trust me,
don't burden me
with your life and affairs; don't thrust me
into your cares.

But I think you may trust
the sun in me
that glows with just
as much glow as you see
in me, and no more.

But if it warms
your heart's quick core
why then trust it, it forms
one faithfulness more.

And be, oh be
a sun to me,
not a weary, insistent
personality.

but a sun that shines
and goes dark, but shines
again and entwines
with the sunshine in me
|end=follow
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for a chance of life all round,
for freedom, and the fun of living
bust in, and hold the ground!}}
&lt;section end=&quot;a&quot; /&gt;

&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|TRUST
|Oh we've got to trust
one another again
in some essentials.

Not the narrow little
bargaining trust
that says: I'm for you
if you'll be for me.—

But a bigger trust,
a trust of the sun
that does not bother
about moth and rust,
and we see it shining
in one another.
|end=stanza}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|200}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|Maybe they're getting tired
of sitting on the fence;
it dawns on them that the whole damn swindle
is played at their expense.}}
&lt;section end=&quot;a&quot; /&gt;


&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|STAND UP!—
|Stand up, but not for Jesus!
It's a little late for that.
Stand up for justice and a jolly life.
I'll hold your hat.

Stand up, stand up for justice
ye swindled little blokes!
Stand up and do some punching,
give 'em a few hard pokes.

Stand up for jolly justice
you haven't got much to lose:
a job you don't like and a scanty chance
for a dreary little booze.

Stand up for something different,
and have a little fun
fighting for something worth fighting for
before you've done.
|end=stanza}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|199}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|I can't stand Willy wet-leg,
can't stand him at any price.
He's resigned, and when you hit him
he lets you hit him twice.}}
&lt;section end=&quot;a&quot; /&gt;

&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|MAYBE—
|Ah well! ah well! maybe
the young have learned some sense.
They ought at last to see through the game,
they've sat long enough on the fence.

Maybe their little bottoms
will get tired and sore at last
of sitting there on the fence, and letting
their good youth go to waste.

Maybe a sense of destiny
will rise in them one day,
maybe they'll realize it's time
they slipped into the fray.
|end=stanza}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|198}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|just in desperation,
because their spirit can't move?
Because their hope is pinned down by the system
and can't even flutter?
Wellwell,ifitissoitisso;
but remember, the undaunted gods
give vitality still to the dauntless.

And sometimes they give it as love,
ah love, sweet love, not so easy!
But sometimes they give it as lightning.

And it's no good wailing for love
if they only offer you lightning.
And it's no good mooning for sloppy ease
when they're holding out the thunderbolt
for you to take.

You might as well take the lightning
for once, and feel it go through you,
You might as well accept the thunderbolt
and prepare for storms.

You'll not get vitality any other way.
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|You said I might
dear Lord of right
be so contrary.
SomayIbeJane
to-night, and refrain
from being Mary'—}}
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{{tpp|VITALITY
|Alas, my poor young men
do you lack vitality?

Has the shell grown too heavy for the tortoise?
Does he just squirm?

Is the frame of things too heavy
for poor young wretched men?
Do they jazz and jump and wriggle
and rush about in machines
and listen to bodiless noises
and cling to their thin young women
as to the last straw
|end=follow}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|196}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|And now you know
how good we were
up there in the snow
with Lady C.
though you hated her
at the first go.

Yet now you can see
how she set us free
to laugh, and to be
more spontaneous, and we
were happy, weren't we
up there in the snow
with the world below!

So now, when you say
your prayers at night
you must sometimes pray:
Dear Lord of delight
may I be Jane
to-night, profane
but sweet in your sight,
though last night I was Mary—
|end=stanza
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|And all the sacred gentry
so responsible and good,
feeling so ''kind'' towards you
and suckin' your blood!

My! the bloomin' pompoms!
Even as trimmings they're stale.
Still, if you don't want to bother,
I don't care myself a whale.}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|HENRIETTE
|O Henriette
I remember yet
how cross you were
over Lady C.
how you hated her
and detested me.

Yet now you see
you don't mind a bit.
You've got used to it,
and you feel more free.
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|Their superiority was meanness,
they were cunning about the goods
and sly with a lot of after-thought,
and they put it over us, the duds!

And I'd let myself be swindled
half believing 'em, till one day
I suddenly said: I've finished!
My God, let me get away!}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|HAVE DONE WITH IT—
|Once and for all, have done with it,
all the silly bunk
of upper class superiority; that superior
stuff is just holy skunk.

Just you walk around them
and look at the fat-eyed lot
and tell me how they can put it across,
this superior rot!

All these gracious ladies
graciously bowing down
from their pedestals! Holy Moses
they've done you brown!
|end=stanza}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|193}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{di|N}}{{uc|o}}w begin I to speake of the great worke which they call Alchimy, wherein I will confirme my woordes, without concealing ought, or keeping backe any thing, saue that which is not conuenient to bee vttered or named. We say then that the great work con­taineth in it foure masteries (as the Philosophers before vs haue affirmed) that is to say, to dissolue, to congeale, to make white and red. And these foure quantities are partakers, whereof two of them are partakers betweene themselues, and so likewise are the other two. And either of these double quātities hath another quantity partaker, which is a greater quantity partaker after these two. I vnderstand by these quantities, the quanti­tie of the natures, and weight of the medicines which are orderly dissolued and congealed, wherin neither addition nor diminution haue a­ny place. But these two, to wit, solution and con­gelation, shalbe in one operation, and shall make but one worke, and that before composition: but after composition, their works shall bee diuers. And this solution and congelation which wee haue spoken of, are the solution of the bodie, and the congelation of the Spirite, and they are two, yet haue but one operation. For the Spirites are not congealed, except the bo-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|dies}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|It was something I never could fathom,
that mysterious prestige which they all
seemed to think they'd got, like a halo
around them, an invisible wall.

If ''you'' were willing to see it
they were only to eager to grant
you a similar glory, since you'd risen
to their levels, my holy aunt!

But never, no never could I see it,
and so I could never feel
the proper unction about it,
and it worried me a good deal.

For years and years it bothered me
that I couldn't feel one of them,
till at last I saw the reason:
they were just a bloody sham.

As far as any superiority
or halo or prestige went
they were just a bloody collective fraud,
that was what their ''Ahem''! meant.
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and every time the same.
They all of them always kept up their sleeve
their class-superior claim.

Some narrow-gutted superiority,
and trying to make you agree,
which, for myself, I couldn't,
it was all my-eye to me.

And so there came the saddest day
when I had to tell myself plain:
the upper classes are just a fraud,
you'd better get down again.}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|PRESTIGE
|I never met a single
middle-class person whose
nerves didn't tighten against me
as if they'd got something to lose.

Though what it was, you can ask me:
some mysterious sort of prestige
that was nothing to me; though they always
seemed to think I was laying it siege.
|end=stanza}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|191}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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|So up I started climbing
to join the folks on high,
but when at last I got there
I had to sit down and cry.

For it wasn't a bit superior,
it was only affected and mean;
though the house had a fine interior
the people were never in.

I mean, they were never entirely
there when you talked to them;
away in some private cupboard
some small voice went: ''Ahem!''

''Ahem!'' they went. ''This fellow''
''is a little too open for me;''
''with such people one has to be careful''
''though of course, we won't let him see!''—

And they thought you couldn't hear them
privately coughing: ''Ahem!''
And they thought you couldn't see them
cautiously swallowing their phlegm!
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|If there's anything got to be done, why
get up an' do it yourselves!
Though God knows if you're any better,
sittin' there in rows on your shelves!

An' if you're not any better,
if you've none of you got more spunk
than they've got in the upper classes,
why, let's all of us do a bunk.

We're not fit for the earth we live on,
we're not fit for the air we breathe.
We'd better get out, an' make way for
the babes just beginning to teethe.
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{{tpp|THE SADDEST DAY
|&quot;We climbed the steep ascent to heaven
:::Through peril, toil and pain.
:O God to us may strength be given
:::To scramble back again.&quot;

O I was born low and inferior
but shining up beyond
I saw the whole superior
world shine like the promised land.
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|it damn well wasn't worth it,
goin' up an' bein' refined;
it was nowt but a dirty sell, that's all,
a ''damn fraud'', underlined.

They're not any better than we are
the upper classes—they're worse.
Such bloomin' fat-arsed dool-owls
they aren't even fit to curse!

There isn't a damn thing in 'em,
they're as empty as empty tins;
they haven't the spunk of a battle-twig,
an' all they can think of is sins.

No, there's nowt in the upper classes
as far as I can find:
a worse lot o' jujubey asses
than the lot I left behind.

They'll never do a thing, boys,
they can't, they're simply fused.
So if any of you's live wires, with wits
to use, they'd better be used.
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|God, let me get down to earth again
away from the upper ten
millions—for there's millions of 'em
up there—but not any men.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|UP HE GOES!—
|Up I rose, my lads, an' I heard yer
sayin': Up he goes!

Up like a bloomin' little Excelsior
in his Sunday clothes!

Up he goes, up the bloomin' ladder
about to the giddy top!
Who'd ever have thought it of that lad, a
pasty little snot!—

Never you mind, my lads, I left you
a long long way behind.
You'll none of you rise in the world like I did;
an' if you did, you'd find
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|Tell me what's wrong
with words or with you
that you don't mind the thing
yet the name is taboo.}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot; /&gt;
{{tpp|A RISE IN THE WORLD—
|I rose up in the world, Ooray!
rose very high, for me.
An earl once asked me down to stay
and a duchess once came to tea.

I didn't stay very long with the earl
and the duchess has done with me.
But still, I rose quite high in the world
don't you think?—or don't you agree?

But now I am slithering down again
down the trunk of the slippery tree;
I find I'd rather get back to earth,
where I belong, you see.

Up there I didn't like it,
chattering, though not with glee
the whole of the time, and nothing
mattering—at least, not to me.
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{{em}}Mrs. ''Sull''.{{em}}O, with you, dear Sir, with you. 
{{rbstagedir|Takes him by the Arm and Exeunt.}}
{{dhr}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;{{c|SCENE, ''Changes to another Apartment in the same House''.

''Enter'' Hounslow ''dragging in Lady'' Bountyfull, ''and'' Bagshot ''halling in'' Dorinda; ''the Rogues with Swords drawn''.}}

{{em}}''Houns''.{{em}}Come, come, your jewels, Mistriss.

{{em}}''Bag''.{{em}}Your keys, your keys, old gentleWoman!

{{c|''Enter'' Aimwell'' and ''Cherry.}}

{{em}}''Aim''.{{em}}Turn this way, villains! I durst engage an army in such a cause. [He engages them both.

{{em}}''Dor''.{{em}}O Madam, had I but a sword to help the brave Man!

{{em}}L. ''Boun''.{{em}}There's three or four hanging up in the hall; but they won't draw. I'll go fetch one, however. [Exit.

{{c|''Enter'' Archer ''and Mrs.'' Sullen.}}

{{em}}''Arch''.{{em}}Hold, hold, my Lord! every Man his bird, pray. [They engage Man to Man; Hounslow and Bagshot are thrown and disarmed.

{{em}}''Cher''.{{em}}[Aside.] What! the rogues taken! then they'll impeach my father: I must give him timely notice.
{{rbstagedir|Runs out.}}

{{em}}''Arch''.{{em}}Shall we kill the rogues?

{{em}}''Aim''.{{em}}No, no, we 'll bind them.

{{em}}''Arch''.{{em}}Ay, ay.—[To Mrs. ''Sullen'', who stands by him.] Here, Madam, lend me your garter.

{{em}}Mrs. ''Sull''.{{em}}[Aside.] The devil's in this Fellow! he fights, loves, and banters, all in a breath.—[Aloud.] Here's a cord that the rogues brought with 'em, I suppose.

{{em}}''Arch''.{{em}}Right, right, the rogue's destiny, a rope to hang himself.—Come, my Lord—this is but a scandalous sort of an office [Binding the Highwaymen together.] if our adventures shou'd end in this sort of hangman-work; but I hope there is something in prospect, that—

Enter Scrub.

{{em}}''Arch''.{{em}}Well, Scrub, have you secur'd your Tartar?

{{em}}''Scrub''.{{em}}Yes, Sir, I left the Priest and him disputing about religion.

{{em}}''Aim''.{{em}}And pray carry these gentlemen to reap the benefit of the controversy.

{{rbstagedir|Delivers the Prisoners to ''Scrub,'' who leads 'em out.}}

{{em}}Mrs. ''Sull''.{{em}}Pray, Sister, how came my Lord here?

{{nop}}

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They called him Saint Anthony, because his name was Anthony, and also, 
perhaps because he was a joyous good 
lover, fond of joking, powerful at eating 
and drinking, and had a vigorous hand 
with servants, although he was more 
than sixty years old. He was a tall peas- 
ant of the country of Caux, of high color, 
great in chest and girth, and was perched 
upon long legs that seemed too thin 
for the weight of his body 

A widower, he lived alone with his 
maid and his two menservants on his 
farm, which he directed in sly, jovial 
fashion, careful of his interests, attend- 
ing to business affairs, the breeding of 
the cattle, and the cultivation of the 
land. His two sons and three daugh- 
ters, married to advantage, lived in the 
neighborhood, and came, once a month, 
to dine with their father. His vigor was 
known in all the country about; people 
said, as if it were a proverb: *'He is 
as strong as Saint Anthony.&quot; 

When the Prussian invasion occurred, 
Saint Anthony, at the inn, promised to 
eat an army, for, like a true Norman, 
he was a romancer, and a little of a 
coward and a blusterer. He brought his 
heavy fist down on the wooden table, 
making it jump, while the cups and 
glasses danced, and he cried out, with 
red face and cunning eye, in the false 
anger of the jovial fellow : &quot;In Heaven's 
name ! Will it be necessary to eat some 
of them?&quot; He counted on the Prus- 
sians not coming any farther than Tan- 
neville; but when he learned that they 
were at Rautot, he would not go out of 
his house, and he watched without ceas- 
ing through the little window of his 

kitchen, expecting every moment to S(5C 

the glint of bayonets. 

One morning, as he was eating soup 
with his servants, the door opened and 
the mayor of the commune, Mastei 
Chicot, appeared, followed by a soldier, 
wearing on his head a black cap set ofi 
with a point of copper. Saint Anthony 
arose with a bound ; everybody looked at 
him, expecting to see him cut the Prus- 
sian in pieces; but he contented himself 
with shaking hands with the mayor, who 
said to Lim: &quot;Here's one of 'em foi 
you to take care of, Saint Anthony. 
They came in the night. . I haven't been 
surly with them, seeing they talk of 
shooting and burning if the least thing 
happens. You are warned. Give him 
something to eat. He seems a good 
lad. I am going to the other houses to 
seek quarters for the rest of them. 
There is enough for everybody.&quot; And 
he went out. 

Father Anthony looked at his Prus- 
sian and grew pale. He was a great 
boy, fat and white, with blue eyes and 
blond hair, bearded up to the cheek- 
bones, and he seemed stupid and timid, 
like a good child. The Norman rogue 
comprehended him immediately, as he 
thought, and, reassured, made him a sign 
to sit down. Then he asked : &quot;Will you 
have some soup?&quot; 

The stranger did not understand. An- 
thony then made an audacious move, 
and, pushing a full plate under the nose 
of his unexpected guest, he said: 
There, eat that, you big pig!&quot; 

The soldier responded : &quot;/a,&quot; and be- 
gan to eat ravenously, while the farmer, 
triumphant, feeling his power recognized, 
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When the Prussian had cleared his 
plate, Saint Anthony served him another, 
the contents of which disappeared like 
the first, but he recoiled before the 
third helping, which the farmer tried by 
force to make him eat, repeating: 
&quot;Come, now, put that inside of you. 
You shall grow fat, or I'll know the rea- 
son why, my pig!&quot; 

And the soldier, comprehending noth- 
ing except ti.:^t he was urged to eat all 
he wanted, laught.:! with a contented air, 
making a sign that he was full. 

Then Saint Anthony, suddenly be- 
coming familiar, tappec^ him on the 
front, saying: &quot;He has enough in his 
paunch, has my pig!&quot; Bat upon this 
he doubled himself with laughter, grow- 
ing red enough for an attack of apo- 
plexy, and was unable to speak for a 
moment. An idea had seized him which 
suffocated Lim with laughter: &quot;That's 
it ! That's it !&quot; he cried, &quot;Saint Anthony 
and his pig! I am Saint Anthony and 
this is my pig!&quot; And the three ser- 
vants laughed loudly in their turn. 

The old man was so pleased with his 
jest that he ordered the maid to bring 
some brandy, of the ten-year-old brand, 
with which he regaled everybody. They 
drank with the Prussian, who smacked 
his lips as a bit of delicate flattery, in 
order to indicate that he found it de- 
licious. And Saint Anthony cried out 
in his face: &quot;Yes! This is something 
fine! You don't find anything like it at 
home, my pig!&quot; 

After this, father Anthony never went 
out without his Prussian. Pie had found 
his opportunity. was vengeance to 

him, the vengeance of a great rogue. 
And all the people of the countryside, 
who were trembling with fear, laughed 
until in torture, behind the backs of 
their conquerors, at the farce of Saint 
Anthony and his pig. Indeed, as a joke, 
they thought it had not its equal. He 
had only to say a few things like this; 
&quot;Go along, pig! Go!&quot; in order to pro- 
voke convulsions of merriment. 

He would go among his neighbors 
every afternoon with his German, their 
arms around each other, and would pre- 
sent him with a gay air, tapping him on 
the shoulder and saying: &quot;See! Here 
is my pig! Look at him and tell me if 
you think he is getting fat, this here 
animal!&quot; 

And the peasants fairly bubbled with 
laughter — he was such a wag, this rogue 
of an Anthony! 

&quot;I'll sell him to you, Caæesar,&quot; he would 
say, &quot;for three pistoles.&quot; 

&quot;I take him, Anthony, and invite you 
to come and have some of the pudding.&quot; 

&quot;Me,&quot; said Anthony, &quot;what I want is 
some of the feet.&quot; 

&quot;Punch his body and see how fat he 
is!&quot; said Caesar. 

And everybody would wink slyly, not 
laughing too much, however, for fear 
the Prussian might surmise finally that 
they were mocking him. Anthony alone, 
growing bolder every day, would pinch 
the calves of his legs, crying out: 
&quot;Nothing but fat!&quot; or strike him on the 
back and shout: &quot;There's some good 
bacon!&quot; Then the old man, capable of 
lifting an anvil, would seize him in his 
arms and raise him up in the air, de- 
claring: &quot;He weighs six hundred and 
not a bit of waste!&quot; 

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went. It was the great pleasure, the 
great diversion of every day. &quot;Give 
him whatever you like,&quot; he would say, 
&quot;he will swallow it.&quot; And when they 
would inquire if the man wished some 
bread and butter, potatoes, cold mutton, 
or venison, Anthony would say to him: 
**Here you are now, it's your choice 1&quot; 
The soldier, stupid and gentle, ate for 
pohteness, enchanted with so much at- 
tention; he would make himself sick 
rather than refuse; and he was growing 
fat truly, too stout for his uniform, 
which fairly delighted Saint Anthony, 
who kept telling him: &quot;You know, my 
pig, it's pretty soon going to be neces- 
sary for you to have a new cage.&quot; 

They became apparently the best 
friends in the world. And v;hen the old 
man went on business into the surround- 
ing country, the Prussian accompanied 
him of his own accord, for the sole 
pleasure of being with him. 

The weather was very rigorous; it 
had frozen hard; the terrible winter of 
1870 seemed to throw all plagues to- 
gether upon France. 

Father Anthony, who looked out for 
things ahead and took advantage of 
opportunities, foreseeing that he would 
need manure for his spring work, bought 
some of a neighbor who found himself 
in straits; he arranged to go each eve- 
ning with his cart and bring it home, a 
load at a time. And so, toward evening 
of each day, he was to be seen on the 
way to Haules's farm, half a mile dis- 
tant, always accompanied by his pig. And 
everybody ran along with them, as they 
go on Sunday to a grand mass, for each 
day was a feast-day for feeding the 
animal. 

But the time came when the soldier 
began to be suspicious. And, when they 
laughed too much he rolled his eyes as 
if disturbed, and sometimes they sent 
forth a spark of anger. 

One evening, when he had eaten to 
the extent of his capacity, he refused to 
swallow another morsel, and undertook 
to start up and go away. But Saint 
Anthony stopped him with a blow on the 
wrist and, placing his two hands on the 
Prussian's shoulders, he sat him down 
again so hard that the chair cracked 
under him. 

A perfect tempest of gaiety followed; 
and Anthony, radiant, picked up his pig, 
rubbing the wounded spot, with the sem- 
blance of healing it. Then he declared: 
&quot;Since you won't eat, you shall drink, 
by jiminy!&quot; And somebody went to 
the alehouse for brandy. 

The soldier rolled his eyes in wicked 
fashion; but he drank, nevertheless, as 
much as they wished; and Saint An- 
thony held his head ; to the great amuse- 
ment of his assistants. 

The Norman, red as a tomato, with 
fiery eye, filled the glasses, drinking and 
guying him with: &quot;To your sweet- 
heart!&quot; And the Prussian, without a 
word, encompassed glass after glass of 
these bumpers o.' cognac. 

It was a struggle, a battle, a defense I 
In Heaven's name! who could drink the 
most? They could take no more, either 
of them, when the bottle was drained, 
but neither was conquered. They were 
neck and neck, and that was all. It 
would be necessary to start over thj 
next day. 

They went out stumbling, and started 
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out his left to protect and defend his plate. 

At another time they made him chew corks, bits of wood, leaves, or even filth, which he was unable to distinguish. 

After this, they got tired even of these practical jokes; and the brother-in-law, 
mad at having to support him always, struck him, cuffed him incessantly, 
laughing at the useless efforts of the other to ward off or return the blows. 
Then came a new pleasure — the pleasure of smacking his face. And the plow-men, the servant-girls, and even every 
passing vagabond were every moment giving him cuffs, which caused his eyelashes to twitch spasmodically. He did 
not know where to hide himself and remained with his arms always held out to guard against people coming too close to him. 

At last he was forced to beg. 

He was placed somewhere on the high-road on market-days, and, as soon as he 
heard the sound of footsteps or the rolling of a vehicle, he reached out his hat, stammering: 

&quot;Charity, if you please!&quot; 

But the peasant is not lavish, and, for whole weeks, he did not bring back a sou. 

Then he became the victim of furious, pitiless hatred. And this is how he died. 

One winter, the ground was covered 
with snow, and it froze horribly. Now 
his brother-in-law led him one morning 
at this season a great distance along the 
highroad in order that he might solicit 
alms. The blind man was left there all 
day, and, when night came on, the 
brother-in-law told the people of his house that he could find no trace of the mendicant. Then he added: 

&quot;Pooh! best not bother about him! 
He was cold, and got some one to take 
him away. Never fear! he's not lost. 
He'll turn up soon enough to-morrow to 
eat the soup.&quot; 

Next day he did not come bat-R. 

After long hours of waiting, stiffened 
with the cold, feeling that he was dying, 
the blind man began to walk. Being 
unable to find his way along the road, 
owing to its thick coating of ice, he 
went on at random, falling into dikes, 
getting up again, without uttering a 
sound, his sole object being to find 
some house where he could take shelter. 

But by degrees the descending snow 
made a numbness steal over him, and his 
feeble limbs being incapable of tarrying 
him farther, he had to sit down in the 
middle of an open field. He did not get 
up again. 

The white flakes which kept continu- 
ally falling buried him, so that his body, 
quite stiff and stark, disappeared under 
the incessant accumulation of their 
rapidly thickening mass; and nothing 
any longer indicated the place where 
the corpse was lying. 

His relatives made pretense of in- 
quiring about him and searching for 
him for about a week. They even made 
a show of weeping. 

The winter was severe, and the thaw 
did not set in quickly. Now, one Sun- 
day, on their way to mass, the farmers 
noticed a great flight of crows, who were 
whirling endlessly above the open field, 
and then, liKe a shower of black rain, 
descended in a heap at the same spot, 
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out his left to protect and defend his plate. 

At another time they made him chew corks, bits of wood, leaves, or even filth, which he was unable to distinguish. 

After this, they got tired even of these practical jokes; and the brother-in-law, mad at having to support him always, struck him, cuffed him incessantly, laughing at the useless efforts of the other to ward off or return the blows. 
Then came a new pleasure — the pleasure of smacking his face. And the plow-men, the servant-girls, and even every 
passing vagabond were every moment giving him cuffs, which caused his eyelashes to twitch spasmodically. He did 
not know where to hide himself and remained with his arms always held out to guard against people coming too close to him. 

At last he was forced to beg. 

He was placed somewhere on the high-road on market-days, and, as soon as he 
heard the sound of footsteps or the rolling of a vehicle, he reached out his hat, stammering: 

&quot;Charity, if you please!&quot; 

But the peasant is not lavish, and, for whole weeks, he did not bring back a sou. 

Then he became the victim of furious, pitiless hatred. And this is how he died. 

One winter, the ground was covered with snow, and it froze horribly. Now his brother-in-law led him one morning at this season a great distance along the highroad in order that he might solicit alms. The blind man was left there all day, and, when night came on, the brother-in-law told the people of his house that he could find no trace of the mendicant. Then he added: 

&quot;Pooh! best not bother about him! He was cold, and got some one to take 
him away. Never fear! he's not lost. He'll turn up soon enough to-morrow to eat the soup.&quot; 

Next day he did not come back. 

After long hours of waiting, stiffened with the cold, feeling that he was dying, the blind man began to walk. Being 
unable to find his way along the road, owing to its thick coating of ice, he went on at random, falling into dikes, 
getting up again, without uttering a sound, his sole object being to find some house where he could take shelter. 

But by degrees the descending snow made a numbness steal over him, and his feeble limbs being incapable of tarrying 
him farther, he had to sit down in the middle of an open field. He did not get up again. 

The white flakes which kept continually falling buried him, so that his body, quite stiff and stark, disappeared under the incessant accumulation of their rapidly thickening mass; and nothing any longer indicated the place where the corpse was lying. 

His relatives made pretense of inquiring about him and searching for him for about a week. They even made a show of weeping. 

The winter was severe, and the thaw did not set in quickly. Now, one Sunday, on their way to mass, the farmers 
noticed a great flight of crows, who were whirling endlessly above the open field, 
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them up in the air, as if they had gathered from all corners of the horizon; 
and they swooped down with a great 
cawing into the shining snow, which they 
filled curiously with patches of black, 
and in which they kept rummaging obstinately. A young fellow went to see 
what they were doing, and discovered the body of the blind man, already half 
devoured, mangled. His wan eyes had 
disappeared, pecked out by the long 
voracious beaks. 

And I can never feel the glad radiance 
of sunlit days without sadly remember- 
ing and gloomily pondering over the 
fate of the beggar so deprived of joy in 
life that his horrible death w?s a relief 
for all those who had known him. 

{{c|{{larger|''The Impolite Sex''}}}}

{{sc|Madame de X. to Madame de L.}}

Etretat, Friday. 

My Dear Aunt, — I am going to pay 
you a visit without making much fuss 
about it. I shall be at Les Fresnes on 
the second of September, the day before 
the hunting season opens ; I do not want 
to miss it, so that I may tease these 
gentlemen. You are very obli^i'inc, 
Aunt, and I would like you to allow 
them to dine with you, as you usually 
do when there are no strange guests, 
&gt;vithout dressing or shaving for the occa- 
sion, on the ground that they are 
fatigued. 

They are delighted, of course, when I 
am not present. But I shall be there, 
and I shall hold a review, like a general, 
at the dinner-hour; and, if I find a 
single one of them at all careless in 
dress, no matter how little, I mean to 
send him down to the kitchen to the 
servant-maids. 

The men of to-day have so little con- 
sideration for others and so little good 
manners that one must be always severe 
wifh them. We live indeed in an age 

of vulgarity. When they quarrel with 
one another, /hey attache one another 
with insults worthy of street porters, 
and, in our presence, they do not con- 
duct themselves even as well as our 
servants. It is at the seaside that you 
see this most clearly They are to be 
found there in battalion, and you can 
judge them in the lump. Oh, what 
coarse beings they are! 

Just imagine, in a train, one of them, 
a gentleman who looked well as I 
thought, at first sight, thanks to his 
tailor, w?,s dainty enough to take off his 
boots in order to put on a pair of old 
shoes! Another, an old man, who was 
probably some wealthy upstart (these 
are the most ill-bred), while sitting op- 
posite to me, had the delicacy to place 
hi5 two feet on the seat quite close to 
me. This is a positive fact. 

At the watering-places, tnere is an un- 
restrained outpouring of unmannerliness. 
I mast here make one admission — that 
my indignation is perhaps due to the 
fact that I am not accustomed to asso- 
ciate as a rule with the sort of people 
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them up in the air, as if they had gathered from all corners of the horizon; 
and they swooped down with a great cawing into the shining snow, which they 
filled curiously with patches of black, and in which they kept rummaging obstinately. A young fellow went to see 
what they were doing, and discovered the body of the blind man, already half 
devoured, mangled. His wan eyes had disappeared, pecked out by the long voracious beaks. 

And I can never feel the glad radiance of sunlit days without sadly remembering and gloomily pondering over the 
fate of the beggar so deprived of joy in life that his horrible death was a relief for all those who had known him. 

{{c|{{larger|''The Impolite Sex''}}}}

{{sc|Madame de X. to Madame de L.}}

{{sc|Etretat}}, Friday. 

{{sc|My Dear Aunt}}, — I am going to pay you a visit without making much fuss about it. I shall be at Les Fresnes on the second of September, the day before the hunting season opens; I do not want to miss it, so that I may tease these gentlemen. You are very obliging, Aunt, and I would like you to allow them to dine with you, as you usually do when there are no strange guests, without dressing or shaving for the occasion, on the ground that they are fatigued. 

They are delighted, of course, when I am not present. But I shall be there, and I shall hold a review, like a general, 
at the dinner-hour; and, if I find a single one of them at all careless in 
dress, no matter how little, I mean to send him down to the kitchen to the servant-maids. 

The men of to-day have so little consideration for others and so little good manners that one must be always severe 
with them. We live indeed in an age of vulgarity. When they quarrel with one another, they attack one another 
with insults worthy of street porters, and, in our presence, they do not conduct themselves even as well as our 
servants. It is at the seaside that you see this most clearly They are to be 
found there in battalion, and you can judge them in the lump. Oh, what coarse beings they are! 

Just imagine, in a train, one of them, a gentleman who looked well as I thought, at first sight, thanks to his 
tailor, was dainty enough to take off his boots in order to put on a pair of old 
shoes! Another, an old man, who was probably some wealthy upstart (these 
are the most ill-bred), while sitting opposite to me, had the delicacy to place 
hi5 two feet on the seat quite close to me. This is a positive fact. 

At the watering-places, there is an unrestrained outpouring of unmannerliness. 
I mast here make one admission — that 
my indignation is perhaps due to the 
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hotel I was nearly thrown down by a young man, who snatched the key over my head. Another knocked against me 
so violently without begging my pardon or lifting his hat, coming away from a ball at the Casino, that he gave me a 
pain in the chest. It is the same way with all of them. Watch them addressing ladies on the terrace: they scarcely ever bow. They merely raise their hands to their headgear. But indeed, as they are all more or less bald, it is the best plan. 

But what exasperates and disgusts me especially is the liberty they take of talking publicly, without any precaution 
whatsoever, about the most revolting adventures. When two men are together, they relate to each other, in the broadest 
language and with the most abominable comments, really horrible stories, without caring in the slightest degree 
whether a woman's ear is within reach of their voices. Yesterday, on the beach, I was forced to go away from the place 
where I sat in order not to be any longer the involuntary confidant of an obscene anecdote, told in such immodest 
language that I felt as much humiliated as I was indignant at having heard it. 
Would not the most elementary good-breeding have taught them to speak in a 
lower tone about such matters when we are near at hand? Etretat is, moreover, the country of gossip and scandal. 
From five to seven o'clock you can see people wandering about in quest of nasty stories about others, which they 
retail from group to group. As you remarked to me, my dear Aunt, tittle-tattle is the mark of petty individuals 
and petty minds. It is also the consolation of women who are no longer loved or sought after. It is enough for me to 
observe the women who are fondest of gossiping to be persuaded that you are quite right. 

The other day I was present at a musical evening at the Casino, given by 
a remarkable artist, Madame Masson, who sings in a truly delightful manner. 
I took the opportunity of applauding the admirable Coquelin, as well as two 
charming boarders of the Vaudeville, M—— and Meillet. I was able, on the occasion, to see all the bathers collected 
together this year on the beach. There were not many persons of distinction among them. 

One day I went to lunch at Yport. I noticed a tall man with a beard who was 
coming out of a large house like a castle. It was the painter, Jean Paul Laurens 
He is not satisfied apparently with imprisoning the subjects of his pictures; 
he insists on imprisoning himself. 

Then I found myself seated on the shingle close to a man still young, of 
gentle and refined appearance, who was reading some verses. But he read them 
with such concentration, with such passion, I may say, that he did not even 
raise his eyes toward me. I was somewhat astonished, and I asked the conductor of the baths, without appearing 
to be much concerned, the name of this gentleman. I laughed inwardly a little 
at this reader of rhymes : he seemed behind the age, for a man. This person, I 
thought, must be a simpleton. Well, Aunt, I am now infatuated about this 
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came to look for him, I was able to hear his voice, which is sweet and almost timid. He would certainly not tell obscene stories aloud in public, or knock against ladies without apologizing. He is sure to be a man of refinement, but 
his refinement is of an almost morbid, vibrating character. I will try this winter to get an introduction to him. 

I have no more news to tell you, my dear Aunt, and I must interrupt this 
letter in haste, as the post-hour is near. I kiss your hands and your cheeks. 

Your devoted niece, 

{{sc|Berthe de X.}}

P.S. — I should add, however, by way of justification of French politeness, that our fellow-countrymen are, when traveling, models of good manners in comparison with the abominable English, who seem to have been brought up by stable-boys, so much do they take care not to incommode themselves in any way, while they always incommode their neighbors. 

{{sc|Madame de L. to Madame de X.}}

{{sc|Les Fresnes}}, Saturday. 

{{My Dear Child,}} — Many of the things you have said to me are very reasonable, but that does not prevent 
you from being wrong. Like you, I used formerly to feel very indignant at 
the impoliteness of men, who, as I supposed, constantly treated me with neglect; but as I grew older and reflected 
on everything, putting aside coquetry and observing things without taking any 
part in them myself, I perceived this much — that if men are not always polite, women are always indescribably rude. 

We imagine that we should be permitted to do anything, my darling, and at the same time we consider that we 
have a right to the utmost respect, and in the most flagrant manner we commit 
actions devoid of that elementary good-breeding of which you speak with passion. 

I find, on the contrary, that men have, for us, much consideration, as compared 
with our bearing toward them. Besides, darling, men must needs be, and are, 
what we make them. In a state of society where women are all true gentle-women all men would become gentlemen. 

Mark my words; just observe and reflect. 

Look at two women meeting in the street. What an attitude each assumes 
toward the other! What disparaging looks! What contempt they throw into 
each glance! How they toss their heads while they inspect each other to find something to condemn! And, if the 
footpath is narrow, do you think one woman will make room for another, or will beg pardon as she sweeps by? 
When two men jostle each other by accident in some narrow lane, each of them 
bows and at the same time gets out of the other's way, while we women press 
against each other, stomach to stomach, face to face, insolently staring each other out of countenance. 

Look at two women who are acquaintances meeting on a staircase before the 
drawing-room door of a friend of theirs to whom one has just paid a visit, and 
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came to look for him, I was able to hear his voice, which is sweet and almost timid. He would certainly not tell obscene stories aloud in public, or knock against ladies without apologizing. He is sure to be a man of refinement, but 
his refinement is of an almost morbid, vibrating character. I will try this winter to get an introduction to him. 

I have no more news to tell you, my dear Aunt, and I must interrupt this 
letter in haste, as the post-hour is near. I kiss your hands and your cheeks. 

Your devoted niece, 

{{sc|Berthe de X.}}

P.S. — I should add, however, by way of justification of French politeness, that our fellow-countrymen are, when traveling, models of good manners in comparison with the abominable English, who seem to have been brought up by stable-boys, so much do they take care not to incommode themselves in any way, while they always incommode their neighbors. 

{{sc|Madame de L. to Madame de X.}}

{{sc|Les Fresnes}}, Saturday. 

{{sc|My Dear Child,}} — Many of the things you have said to me are very reasonable, but that does not prevent 
you from being wrong. Like you, I used formerly to feel very indignant at 
the impoliteness of men, who, as I supposed, constantly treated me with neglect; but as I grew older and reflected 
on everything, putting aside coquetry and observing things without taking any 
part in them myself, I perceived this much — that if men are not always polite, women are always indescribably rude. 

We imagine that we should be permitted to do anything, my darling, and at the same time we consider that we 
have a right to the utmost respect, and in the most flagrant manner we commit 
actions devoid of that elementary good-breeding of which you speak with passion. 

I find, on the contrary, that men have, for us, much consideration, as compared 
with our bearing toward them. Besides, darling, men must needs be, and are, 
what we make them. In a state of society where women are all true gentle-women all men would become gentlemen. 

Mark my words; just observe and reflect. 

Look at two women meeting in the street. What an attitude each assumes 
toward the other! What disparaging looks! What contempt they throw into 
each glance! How they toss their heads while they inspect each other to find something to condemn! And, if the 
footpath is narrow, do you think one woman will make room for another, or will beg pardon as she sweeps by? 
When two men jostle each other by accident in some narrow lane, each of them 
bows and at the same time gets out of the other's way, while we women press 
against each other, stomach to stomach, face to face, insolently staring each other out of countenance. 

Look at two women who are acquaintances meeting on a staircase before the 
drawing-room door of a friend of theirs to whom one has just paid a visit, and 
to whom the other is about to pay a visit. They begin to talk to each other.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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man or woman, do you imagine that they will put themselves half an inch out of their way? Never! never! 

I was waiting myself, with my watch in my hands, one day last winter, at a certain drawing-room door. Behind me 
two gentlemen were also waiting without showing any readiness to lose their 
temper, like me. The reason was that they had long grown accustomed to our unconscionable insolence. 

The other day, before leaving Paris, I went to dine with no less a person 
than your husband in the Champs-Elysées, in order to enjoy the open air. 
Every table was occupied. The waiter asked us not to go, and there would soon be a vacant table. 

At that moment, I noticed an elderly lady of noble figure, who, having paid the amount of her check, seemed on the point of going away. She saw me, scanned me from head to foot, and did not budge. For more than a full quarter of an hour she sat there, immovable, putting on her gloves, and calmly staring at those who were waiting like myself. 
Now, two young men who were just finishing their dinner, having seen me in their turn, quickly summoned the waiter 
in order to pay whatever they owed, and at once offered me their seats, even insisting on standing while waiting for 
their change. And, bear in mind, my fair niece, that I am no longer pretty, like you, but old and white-haired. 

It is we (do you see?) who should be taught politeness ; and the task would be such a difficult one that Hercules himself would not be equal to it. You speak to me about Etretat, and about the people who indulge in &quot;tittle-tattle&quot; 
along the beach of that delightful watering-place. It is a spot now lost to me, a 
thing of the past, but I found much amusement there in days gone by. 

There were only a few of us, people in good society, really good society, and 
a few artists, and we all fraternized. We paid little attention to gossip in those days. 

Well, as we had no insipid Casino, where people only gather for show, where they talk in whispers, where they 
dance stupidly, where they succeed in thoroughly boring one another, we sought some other way of passing our 
evenings pleasantly. Now, just guess what came into the head of one of our husbandry? Nothing else than to go 
and dance each night in one of the farmhouses in the neighborhood. 

We started out in a group with a street-organ, generally played by Le Poittevin, the painter, with a cotton 
nightcap on his head. Two men carried lanterns. We followed in procession, laughing and chattering like a pack of fools. 

We woke up the farmer and his servant-maids and laboring men. We got them to make onion-soup (horror), and 
we danced under the apple-trees, to the sound of the barrel-organ. The cocks waking up began to crow in the darkness 
of the outhouses ; the horses began prancing on the straw of their stables. The cool air of the country caressed our 
cheeks with the smell of grass and of new-mown hay. 

How long ago it is! How long ago it is. It is thirty years since then! 

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man or woman, do you imagine that they will put themselves half an inch out of their way? Never! never! 

I was waiting myself, with my watch in my hands, one day last winter, at a certain drawing-room door. Behind me 
two gentlemen were also waiting without showing any readiness to lose their 
temper, like me. The reason was that they had long grown accustomed to our unconscionable insolence. 

The other day, before leaving Paris, I went to dine with no less a person 
than your husband in the Champs-Elysées, in order to enjoy the open air. 
Every table was occupied. The waiter asked us not to go, and there would soon be a vacant table. 

At that moment, I noticed an elderly lady of noble figure, who, having paid the amount of her check, seemed on the point of going away. She saw me, scanned me from head to foot, and did not budge. For more than a full quarter of an hour she sat there, immovable, putting on her gloves, and calmly staring at those who were waiting like myself. 
Now, two young men who were just finishing their dinner, having seen me in their turn, quickly summoned the waiter 
in order to pay whatever they owed, and at once offered me their seats, even insisting on standing while waiting for 
their change. And, bear in mind, my fair niece, that I am no longer pretty, like you, but old and white-haired. 

It is we (do you see?) who should be taught politeness ; and the task would be such a difficult one that Hercules himself would not be equal to it. You speak to me about Etretat, and about the people who indulge in &quot;tittle-tattle&quot; 
along the beach of that delightful watering-place. It is a spot now lost to me, a 
thing of the past, but I found much amusement there in days gone by. 

There were only a few of us, people in good society, really good society, and 
a few artists, and we all fraternized. We paid little attention to gossip in those days. 

Well, as we had no insipid Casino, where people only gather for show, where they talk in whispers, where they 
dance stupidly, where they succeed in thoroughly boring one another, we sought some other way of passing our 
evenings pleasantly. Now, just guess what came into the head of one of our husbandry? Nothing else than to go 
and dance each night in one of the farmhouses in the neighborhood. 

We started out in a group with a street-organ, generally played by Le Poittevin, the painter, with a cotton 
nightcap on his head. Two men carried lanterns. We followed in procession, laughing and chattering like a pack of fools. 

We woke up the farmer and his servant-maids and laboring men. We got them to make onion-soup (horror), and 
we danced under the apple-trees, to the sound of the barrel-organ. The cocks waking up began to crow in the darkness 
of the outhouses; the horses began prancing on the straw of their stables. The cool air of the country caressed our 
cheeks with the smell of grass and of new-mown hay. 

How long ago it is! How long ago it is. It is thirty years since then! 

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&quot;There it is,&quot; he says. 

&quot;There what is?&quot; 

&quot;Old Fort Sumner.&quot; 

He sweeps the empty landscape with a casual wave of his hand.

You gulp down your astonishment. You had expected to find much. You find nothing.

&quot;There ain't no such place as old Fort Sumner,&quot; Foor tells you. &quot;Not now. It's gone.&quot; 

Gone absolutely. Engulfed in the past. A town that was. As if it had never been. Not a house standing. Nothing to suggest its old life, business, bustle, gaiety. Its site a waste expanse of grass and weeds. Gone back to wilderness. Wild flowers waving above it like banners of victory. The old four mile avenue of cottonwoods, once the trail to romance, now a road to desolation. 

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&quot;There it is,&quot; he says.

&quot;There what is?&quot;

&quot;Old Fort Sumner.&quot;

He sweeps the empty landscape with a casual wave of his hand.

You gulp down your astonishment. You had expected to find much. You find nothing.

&quot;There ain't no such place as old Fort Sumner,&quot; Foor tells you. &quot;Not now. It's gone.&quot;

Gone absolutely. Engulfed in the past. A town that was. As if it had never been. Not a house standing. Nothing to suggest its old life, business, bustle, gaiety. Its site a waste expanse of grass and weeds. Gone back to wilderness. Wild flowers waving above it like banners of victory. The old four mile avenue of cottonwoods, once the trail to romance, now a road to desolation.

Surely, you think, Old Man Foor has made a mistake. But no. Old Man Foor has lived in and around old Fort Sumner for forty-odd years. He kept a saloon in the town. He was postmaster for twenty years. He knows the old place like a book. He is knocking around seventy now, as he tells you; a white-haired, white-moustached, kindly old philosopher; a good, steady-going, old-time Western man, who has seen hard knocks in his day and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I sneaked along the hall with my six-shooter in my
hand and ran on to my man in the kitchen. He was a
strapping, powerful fellow and was wiping his hands on a
towel, having just finished washing the dinner dishes.
As I cracked down on him with my gun, he leaped at
me and smashed me in the face with his fist. It was a
punch like the kick of a mule. I staggered against the
wall; he jumped out of the window. I clawed at him with
my hands and tore the shirt off his back but he wriggled
out of my grip. I rushed out the door and we met again
head-on on the porch. I smashed him over the head with
my revolver and knocked him flat. But he leaped up
and tore into me. I don't know why I didn't kill him;
I could have done it any time. We fought all over the
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I could have done it any time. We fought all over the
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{{di|R}}{{sc|olly}} and I went back to my room, closing the connecting door. He said:

“Tch, tch, tch. I’d of thought Mrs. Herman was the last person in the world to{{ld}}”

“You ought to’ve,” I grumbled. “You recommended her. Who is she?”

“She’s Tod Herman’s wife. He’s got the garage. She used to be a trained nurse before she married Tod. I thought she was all right.”

“She got a nephew in Vallejo?”

“Uh-huh; that would be the Schultz kid that works at Mare Island. How do you suppose she come to get mixed up in{{ld}}?”

“Probably didn’t, or she would have had the writing paper she went after. Put somebody here to keep people out till we can borrow a San Francisco bomb-expert to look it over.”

The deputy called one of the men in from the corridor, and we left him looking important in the room. Mickey Linehan was in the lobby when we got there.

“Fink’s got a cracked skull. He’s on his way to the county hospital with the other wreck.”

“Fitzstephan dead yet?” I asked.

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| style=&quot;padding-left:1em;&quot; | porle, ''a child''.&lt;br /&gt;porlald, ''of a child''.&lt;br /&gt;{{float right|''to'', ''with'', or ''on''{{em|2}}&lt;br /&gt;{{em}}''a child''.}}{{float right|{{brace2|2}}||0.4em}}porlangk{{em|0.3}}&lt;br /&gt;porlungai&lt;br /&gt;porlil, ''by a child''.&lt;br /&gt;porlenend, ''from a child''.&lt;br /&gt;porlinda, ''O! child''.
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| style=&quot;padding-left:1em;&quot; | porlengk, ''two children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlengal, ''of two children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlungengun, ''to two children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlengul, ''by two children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlengulund, ''from two children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlenengulund.&lt;br /&gt;porlula, ''O! two children''.
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| style=&quot;padding-left:1em;&quot; | porlar, ''children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlan, ''of children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlungar, ''to with'', ''by'', or ''on''&lt;br /&gt;{{em|1.5}}''children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlar, ''by children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlenend, ''from children''.&lt;br /&gt;porlannand.&lt;br /&gt;porluna, ''O! children''.
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Sometimes compound substantives are formed out of simple nouns by the addition of ''inyeri (belonging to'' or ''of)'', a verb stem or an adjective. To such words belong peculiar laws of declension. For instance:—''Kurlinyeri'', from ''kurle'' (head), ''inyeri'' (belonging to); i.e. a hat or headdress. ''Turninyeri'', from ''turne'' (foot), and ''inyeri'' (belonging to); i.e. a boot. ''Kurinyinyerengk'', from ''kurrengk'' (the two shins), ''inyerengk'' (belonging to two); i.e. a pair of trousers. Now, in such words as these, the prepositional sign would be affixed to the end of the word, as ''Kurlinyerald'', of a hat—''Kurrinyerenggal'', of a pair of trousers.

Then, again, we have ''yande orn'', from ''yande'' (old or useless) and ''korn'' (a man)—i.e. and old man; ''yande imin'', from ''yande'' (old) and ''mimine'' (a woman)—i.e. an old woman. In these cases the sign of the declension comes between; as ''yant ald orn''—of an old man; ''yan ald imin''—of an old woman.

The particle ''urmi'' is added to some stems of verbs to make it mean an instrument to do the verb with; as, ''kalt urmi''—a spade—a digging thing; ''drek urmi'' (a tomahawk), from ''drekin'' (cutting or chipping) and ''urmi'' (an instrument). In such words the case endings are added to the end of the whole word.
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      <text bytes="3839" sha1="ogr1i2fjr22f5zdw1u2oy3zxfp4d0b6" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Treebitt&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|10|{{smaller|''OF AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES.''}}|{{smaller|''GRAMMAR OF THE NARRINYERI TRIBE''}}}}{{dhr|0.5}}{{rule}}{{dhr|0.5}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;The word ''amalde'' is added to the stems of some verbs to make them signify a person who does that action; as, ''pett amalde'', from ''pettin'' (steal) and ''amalde'' (an agent)—i.e. a thief; ''yelpul amalde'', from ''yelpulun'' (lying) and ''amalde'' (an agent)—i.e. a liar. These words take also the affix at the end.

''Watyeri'' is a particle used in the same way, and signifies &quot;full of;&quot; as, ''plonggewatyeri''—full of, or possessed by sorcery; ''tuniwatyeri''—full of sand; ''merkewatyeri''—full of holes.

The particle ''urumi'' means something used for a purpose; as, ''tyetyurumi'' from ''tyetyin'' (anoint) and ''urumi'' (a means)—i.e. oil, ointment; ''muturumi'' (a drink), from ''muttun'' (drinking); ''kunkurumi'', from ''kunkun'' (swallowing), things to swallow—i.e. pills.

The declension of words signifying human relationships is peculiar.

There are different forms of the word meaning a relationship, in order to express whether it is ''mine'', ''yours'', or ''his''. For instance:—
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| style=&quot;padding-left:1em;padding-right:9.5em;&quot; | nanghai—''my father''.&lt;br /&gt;ngaiowe—''your father''.&lt;br /&gt;yikowalle—''his father''&lt;br /&gt;nainkowa—''my mother''.&lt;br /&gt;ninkuwe—''your mother''.
| style=&quot;vertical-align:top;&quot; | narkowalli—''his mother''.&lt;br /&gt;gelanowe—''my elder brother''.&lt;br /&gt;gelauwe—''your elder brother''.&lt;br /&gt;gelauwalle—''his elder brother''.
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This word ''nanghai'' (my father) is declined thus:—
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| style=&quot;padding-left:1.2em;&quot; | nanghai—''my father''.&lt;br  /&gt;nanghaiyin—''in my father''.&lt;br  /&gt;nanghaiyin—''of my father''.&lt;br  /&gt;nanghaiyinangk—''to my father''.&lt;br  /&gt;nanghaiyininda—''by my father''.&lt;br  /&gt;nanghaiyinanyir—''from my father''.
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| colspan=2 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | {{sc|For}}—nanghaiyinambe—''for my father''.
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Now, in all the words signifying relationships, this form of declension is the same. The accusative and the genitive are alike, and are formed by adding ''in'' or ''an'' to the nominative; and every other case is formed by affixing a case particle or case ending to the accusative or genitive case. This is the method, whether the word be of ''my'', ''your'', or ''his'' relations. But where the case ending is affixed to the genitive case it is sometimes put between the stem of the word and the case ending; as, ''Tartaldan''—of my younger brother.

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      <text bytes="1865" sha1="drwypd1uo7u54ka8dcsr9d3136guj93" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Stinglehammer&quot; /&gt;{{rh|2|THE WITCHES OF SCOTLAND.|}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;women, to their souls’ eternal perdition if they yielded to the desires of their bodies,—like the fatal Banshie, harbinger of death and ruin,—were the popular forms of the Scottish spirit-world; and in none of them do we find either love or gentleness, but only fierceness and crime, enmity to man and rebellion to God. But saddest and darkest and unholiest of all was the belief in witchcraft, which infested society for centuries like a sore eating through to the very heart of humanity, and which was nowhere more bitter and destructive than among the godly children of our Northern sister. Strange that the land of the Lord should have been the favourite camping-ground of Satan, that the hill of Zion should have had its roots in the depths of Tophet!

The formulas of the faith were as gloomy as the persons. The power of the evil eye; the faculty of second sight, which always saw the hearse plumes, and never the bridal roses; the supremacy of the devil in this God-governed world of ours, and the actual and practical covenant into which men and women daily entered with him; the unlimited influence of the curse, and the sin and mischief to be wrought by charm and spell; the power of casting sickness on whomsoever one would, and the ease with which a blight could be sent
on the corn, and a murrain to the beasts, by those who had not wherewithal to stay their hunger for a day, these were the chief signs of that fatal power with which Satan endowed his chosen ones—those silly, luckless chapmen who bartered away their immortal souls for no mess of pottage even, and no earthly good to breath or body, but only that they might harm their neighbours and revenge themselves on those who crossed them. Sometimes, indeed, they had no need to chaffer with the devil for such faculties; as in the matter of the evil&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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fatally sure to land the user thereof at the foot of the gallows, and the testimony of the healed friend was the strongest strand in the hangman's cord. This, indeed, was the saddest feature in the whole matter- the total want of all gratitude, reliance, trustiness, or affection between a &quot;witch&quot; and her friends. The dearest intimate she had gave evidence against her frankly, and without a second thought of the long years of mutual help and kindliness that had gone before; the neighbour whom she had nursed night and day with all imaginable tenderness and self-devotion, if he took a craze and dreamed of witchcraft, came forward to distort and exaggerate every remedy she had used, and every art she had employed; her very children turned against her without pity or remorse, and little lips, scarce dry from the milk of her own breasts, lisped out the glibbest lies of all. Most pitiful, most sad, was the state of these poor wretches; but instructive to us, as evidencing the strength of superstition, and the weakness of every human virtue when brought into contact and collision with it. What other gifts and powers belonged to the witches will be best gathered from the stories themselves; for varied as they are, there is a strange thread of likeness running through them all; specially is there a likeness in all of a time or district, as might be expected in a matter which belonged so much to mere imitation.

Scotland played an unenviable part in the great.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Scotland conducted with more severity than elsewhere, and with a more gloomy and savage fanaticism of faith. Those who dared question the truth of even the most unreliable witnesses and the most monstrous statements were accused of atheism and infidelity-they were Sadducees and sinners-men given over to corruption and uncleanness, with whom no righteous servant could hold any terms. And then the ministers mingled themselves in the fray; and the Kirk like the Church, the presbyter like the priest, proved to be on the side of intolerance and superstition, where, unfortunately, priests of all creeds have ever been. And when James VI. came with his narrow brain and selfish heart, to formularize the witch-lie into a distinct canon of arbitrary faith, and give it increased political significance and social power, the reign of humanity and common sense was at an end, and the autocracy of cruelty and superstition began. It is a dreary page human history; but so long as a spark of superstition lingers in the world it will have its special and direct uses.

The first time we hear of Scottish witches was when St. Patrick offended them and the devil alike by his uncompromising rigour against them: so they tore off a piece of a rock as he was crossing the sea and hurled it after him; which rock became the fortress of Dumbarton in the days which knew not St. Patrick. Then there was the story of King Duff (968), who pined&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The personal pronouns are declined in three numbers—singular, dual, and plural. After each pronoun in its full form I shall put the abbreviated, or euphonized form, commonly used in speaking.
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| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
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| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngape — ap}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngan — an}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngate — at, atte{{em}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''I''.&lt;br /&gt;''me''.&lt;br /&gt;''by me''.
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| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
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| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ngel — angel {{fs|80%|(''pronounced ang{{'}}el)''}}&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|lam — alam{{em}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;ngel — angel {{fs|80%|(''pronounced ang{{'}}el)''}}
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.3em&quot; | ''we two''.&lt;br /&gt;''us two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by us two''.
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| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngurn}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nam — anam{{em}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngurn}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.3em&quot; | ''we''.&lt;br /&gt;''us''.&lt;br /&gt;''by us''.
|}
{{center inline|{{smaller|{{sc|2nd Person.{{em|1.5}}Nginte ''(Thou)''.}}}}}}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1.5em;margin-bottom:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Vocative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nginte — ind, inde{{em|2}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngum — um, m{{em}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nginte, ind}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nginta — inda}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''thou''.&lt;br /&gt;''thee''.&lt;br /&gt;''by thee''.&lt;br /&gt;''O thou!''
|-
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Vocative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngurl — ung-url}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|lom — olom}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngurl — ung-url}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngurla — ula}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''you two''.&lt;br /&gt;''you two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by you two''.&lt;br /&gt;''O you two!''
|-
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Vocative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngun — ūng'-ūn}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nom — onom}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|ngūn — ūng'-ūn}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|nguna — una}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''you''.&lt;br /&gt;''you''.&lt;br /&gt;''by you''.&lt;br /&gt;''O you!''
|}
{{center inline|{{smaller|{{sc|3rd Person.{{em|1.5}}Kitye ''(He)''.}}}}}}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1.5em;margin-bottom:-0.5em;padding-left:0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{em}}
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kitye — itye{{em}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kin, in}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kīl — īl}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{em}}
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''he'', ''she'', ''it''.&lt;br /&gt;''him'', ''her'', ''it''.&lt;br /&gt;{{float left|{{brace2|3|l}}|0em|0.5em}}{{float left|''by him''.&lt;br /&gt;''by her''.&lt;br /&gt;''by it''.}}
|-
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kengk — engk}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kenggun — eng'gūn{{em}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kenggul — eng'gul}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''they two''.&lt;br /&gt;''them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them two''.
|-
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar — ar}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kan — an{{em}}}}'''{{em|0.3}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar — ar}}'''{{em|2}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em&quot; | ''they''.&lt;br /&gt;''them''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them''.
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      <text bytes="6368" sha1="n0rwhlp55ojxqi4krr6wi87r9skzjuc" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;Duckmather&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 1 Chapter 4&quot; /&gt;Art. 123—The labor justice shall have power to conciliate
and judge individual and collective disputes between
employees and employers, as well as other controversies
arising out of labor relations ruled by special legislation.

§ 1. Disputes relative to labor accidents are within the
jurisdiction of ordinary courts.

§ 2. The law shall specify the cases in which decisions
in collective disputes might establish norms and conditions
of work.

&lt;section end=&quot;Title 1 Chapter 4&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 2&quot; /&gt;{{c|''Title Two''&lt;br&gt;
'''STATE JUSTICE'''}}

Art. 124—The States shall organize their justice with
observance of Articles 95 to 97 and also the following
principles:

I—the judiciary division and organization shall be inalterable
during five years from the date of the law establishing
them, except for well-grounded proposal put forward by
the Tribunal of Justice;

II—courts of jurisdiction inferior to the Tribunals of
Justice may be created;

III—entry into life-tenure magistracy shall be dependent
upon competitive examinations, organized by the Tribunal
of Justice with collaboration of the Sectional Council of the
Order of Attorneys of Brazil, and indication of the candidates
shall be made whenever possible in a triplicate list;

IV—the promotion of judges shall be made from one
classification to another by length of service and by merit,
alternately, and, in the second case, shall be dependent
upon a triplicate list organized by the Tribunal of Justice.
An equal proportion shall be observed in accession to this
Tribunal, except as provided in Item V of this article. For
this purpose, in cases of merit, the triplicate list shall be
composed of names selected from among judges of any
classification. In cases of length of service, which shall be
ascertained in the last classification, the Tribunal shall
decide first whether the judge with longest service is to be
indicated; and if this one is refused by three-quarters of
the judges, the voting shall be repeated with respect to
the next in line, and so on successively, until the selection
is fixed. Only after two years of effective service in
the respective classification may the judge be promoted.

V—in the composition of any court, a fifth of the
places shall be filled by attorneys and members of the
public ministry, of renowned merit and spotless reputation,
with at least ten years of forensic practice. For each
vacancy, the Tribunal shall vote upon a triplicate list, in
secret session and with secret ballot. If a member of the
Public Ministry is selected, the resulting vacancy shall be
filled by an attorney;

VI—the remuneration of the judges shall be fixed at
an amount not inferior to that received, in any form, by
the secretaries of State; and the other life-tenure judges,
with a difference not to exceed thirty percent between one
classification and another, and attributing to those of highest
classification not less than two-thirds of the remuneration
of the chief judges;

VII—in case of transfer of the seat of the court, the
judge is authorized to move to the new seat or to a district
of equal classification or to request placement on an available
list with full remuneration;

VIII—only by proposal of the Tribunal of Justice may
the number of its members or of the members of any other
court be altered;

IX—the Tribunal of Justice shall have exclusive power
to prosecute and judge inferior judges in ordinary crimes
and in those of their responsibility;

X—a temporary justice of the peace may be instituted,
with the judicial attributes of substitution, except for judgment
of final or appellate cases, and with powers for the
licensing and celebration of marriages and other acts
which the law may determine.

XI—magistrates may be created with investiture in office
limited to a certain time and powers to judge cases of small
value. These judges may substitute for life-tenure judges;

XII—state military justice, organized with observance of
the general precepts of federal law (Article 5, Number XV,
f), shall have as organs of first instance the councils of
justice and as organ of second instance a special court
or the Tribunal of Justice.

&lt;section end=&quot;Title 2&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 3&quot; /&gt;{{c|''Title Three''&lt;br&gt;
'''THE PUBLIC MINISTRY'''}}

Art. 125—The law shall organize the Public Ministry
of the Union in conjunction with the ordinary, military,
electoral and labor courts.

Art. 126—The Federal Public Ministry has as its head
the Attorney General of the Republic. The Attorney General
appointed by the President of the Republic, after approval
of the selection by the Federal Senate from among
citizens with the requisites indicated in Article 99, is dismissible
at will.

''Sole Paragraph''—The Union shall be represented in
court by the attorneys of the Republic, but the law may
entrust this representation, in the districts of the interior,
to the local public ministry.

Art. 127—The members of the Public Ministry of the
Union, of the Federal District and of the Territories, shall
enter into the initial positions of the career by competition.
After two years of service, they may not be dismissed
except by judicial sentence or administrative process allowing
them the most ample defense; nor shall they be removed,
except upon representation put forward by the
head of the Public Ministry, based upon the convenience
of the service.

Art. 128—In the States, the Public Ministry shall also
be established on a career basis, with observance of the
precepts of the preceding article, as well as that of promotion
from one classification to another.

&lt;section end=&quot;Title 3&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 4&quot; /&gt;{{c|''Title Four''&lt;br&gt;
'''DECLARATION OF RIGHTS'''}}
&lt;section end=&quot;Title 4&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 4 Chapter 1&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{sc|Chapter I}}&lt;br&gt;
''Nationality and Citizenship''}}

- The following are Brazilians:

persons born in Brazil, even though of foreign parents,
if the latter are not resident at the service of the govern-
ment of their country;

II—the children of a Brazilian father or mother born in
a foreign country, if the parents are at the service of Brazil,
or, if they should not be, if they come to reside in the
country. In this case, after the attainment of majority they
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and judge individual and collective disputes between
employees and employers, as well as other controversies
arising out of labor relations ruled by special legislation.

§ 1. Disputes relative to labor accidents are within the
jurisdiction of ordinary courts.

§ 2. The law shall specify the cases in which decisions
in collective disputes might establish norms and conditions
of work.

&lt;section end=&quot;Title 1 Chapter 4&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 2&quot; /&gt;{{c|''Title Two''&lt;br&gt;
'''STATE JUSTICE'''}}

Art. 124—The States shall organize their justice with
observance of Articles 95 to 97 and also the following
principles:

I—the judiciary division and organization shall be inalterable
during five years from the date of the law establishing
them, except for well-grounded proposal put forward by
the Tribunal of Justice;

II—courts of jurisdiction inferior to the Tribunals of
Justice may be created;

III—entry into life-tenure magistracy shall be dependent
upon competitive examinations, organized by the Tribunal
of Justice with collaboration of the Sectional Council of the
Order of Attorneys of Brazil, and indication of the candidates
shall be made whenever possible in a triplicate list;

IV—the promotion of judges shall be made from one
classification to another by length of service and by merit,
alternately, and, in the second case, shall be dependent
upon a triplicate list organized by the Tribunal of Justice.
An equal proportion shall be observed in accession to this
Tribunal, except as provided in Item V of this article. For
this purpose, in cases of merit, the triplicate list shall be
composed of names selected from among judges of any
classification. In cases of length of service, which shall be
ascertained in the last classification, the Tribunal shall
decide first whether the judge with longest service is to be
indicated; and if this one is refused by three-quarters of
the judges, the voting shall be repeated with respect to
the next in line, and so on successively, until the selection
is fixed. Only after two years of effective service in
the respective classification may the judge be promoted.

V—in the composition of any court, a fifth of the
places shall be filled by attorneys and members of the
public ministry, of renowned merit and spotless reputation,
with at least ten years of forensic practice. For each
vacancy, the Tribunal shall vote upon a triplicate list, in
secret session and with secret ballot. If a member of the
Public Ministry is selected, the resulting vacancy shall be
filled by an attorney;

VI—the remuneration of the judges shall be fixed at
an amount not inferior to that received, in any form, by
the secretaries of State; and the other life-tenure judges,
with a difference not to exceed thirty percent between one
classification and another, and attributing to those of highest
classification not less than two-thirds of the remuneration
of the chief judges;

VII—in case of transfer of the seat of the court, the
judge is authorized to move to the new seat or to a district
of equal classification or to request placement on an available
list with full remuneration;

VIII—only by proposal of the Tribunal of Justice may
the number of its members or of the members of any other
court be altered;

IX—the Tribunal of Justice shall have exclusive power
to prosecute and judge inferior judges in ordinary crimes
and in those of their responsibility;

X—a temporary justice of the peace may be instituted,
with the judicial attributes of substitution, except for judgment
of final or appellate cases, and with powers for the
licensing and celebration of marriages and other acts
which the law may determine.

XI—magistrates may be created with investiture in office
limited to a certain time and powers to judge cases of small
value. These judges may substitute for life-tenure judges;

XII—state military justice, organized with observance of
the general precepts of federal law (Article 5, Number XV,
f), shall have as organs of first instance the councils of
justice and as organ of second instance a special court
or the Tribunal of Justice.

&lt;section end=&quot;Title 2&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Title 3&quot; /&gt;{{c|''Title Three''&lt;br&gt;
'''THE PUBLIC MINISTRY'''}}

Art. 125—The law shall organize the Public Ministry
of the Union in conjunction with the ordinary, military,
electoral and labor courts.

Art. 126—The Federal Public Ministry has as its head
the Attorney General of the Republic. The Attorney General
appointed by the President of the Republic, after approval
of the selection by the Federal Senate from among
citizens with the requisites indicated in Article 99, is dismissible
at will.

''Sole Paragraph''—The Union shall be represented in
court by the attorneys of the Republic, but the law may
entrust this representation, in the districts of the interior,
to the local public ministry.

Art. 127—The members of the Public Ministry of the
Union, of the Federal District and of the Territories, shall
enter into the initial positions of the career by competition.
After two years of service, they may not be dismissed
except by judicial sentence or administrative process allowing
them the most ample defense; nor shall they be removed,
except upon representation put forward by the
head of the Public Ministry, based upon the convenience
of the service.

Art. 128—In the States, the Public Ministry shall also
be established on a career basis, with observance of the
precepts of the preceding article, as well as that of promotion
from one classification to another.

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''Nationality and Citizenship''}}

Art. 129—The following are Brazilians:

I—persons born in Brazil, even though of foreign parents,
if the latter are not resident at the service of the government
of their country;

II—the children of a Brazilian father or mother born in
a foreign country, if the parents are at the service of Brazil,
or, if they should not be, if they come to reside in the
country. In this case, after the attainment of majority they
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it within four years;

III—those who acquired Brazilian nationality under the
terms of Article 69, Numbers IV and V, of the Constitution
of February 24, 1891;

IV—foreigners naturalized in the form which the law
may establish, it being required of the Portuguese merely
that they reside in the country one uninterrupted year
and be of good moral standing and physical health.

Art. 130—A Brazilian shall lose his nationality:

I—who, by voluntary naturalization, shall acquire another
nationality;

II—who, without permission of the President of the
Republic, shall accept a commission, employment, or pension
from a foreign government;

III—who, by judicial sentence, in process established
by law, shall have his naturalization cancelled by reason
of exercising activity injurious to the national interest.

Art. 131—Electors shall be Brazilians more than eighteen
years of age who register as prescribed by law.

Art. 132—The following may not register as electors:

I—the illiterate;

II—those who do not know how to express themselves
in the national tongue;

III—those who may be deprived temporarily or permanently
of political rights.

''Sole Paragraph''—enlisted soldiers also may not register
as electors, except officer candidates, sub-officers, sub-lieutenants,
sergeants, and students of military schools of
higher instruction.

Art. 133—Registration and voting are obligatory for
Brazilians of both sexes, save the exceptions established
by law.

Art. 134—Suffrage is universal and direct; the vote is
secret; and the proportional representation of the national
political parties is assured in the form which the law may
establish.

Art. 135—Political rights shall be suspended or lost
only in the following cases:

§ 1. They shall be suspended:

I—for absolute civil incapacity;

II—for criminal conviction, for as long as its effects shall
last;

§ 2. They shall be lost:

I—in the cases established in Article 130;

II—for the refusal provided for in Article 141, § 8;

III—for the acceptance of foreign title of nobility or decoration
which may imply restriction of right or duty before
the State.

Art. 136—The loss of political rights carries with it,
simultaneously, the loss of public office or function.

Art. 137—The law shall establish the conditions of
reacquisition of political rights and of nationality.

Art. 138—Those who may not be registered and those
mentioned in the Sole Paragraph of Article 132 may not
be elected.

Art. 139—The following also may not be elected:

I—as President and Vice President of the Republic:

a)—a President who may have held the office for any
space of time in the period immediately preceding, and
likewise the Vice President who may have succeeded him
or who, during the six months preceding the election, may
have substituted for him;

b)—until six months after definite separation from
their functions, the governors and federal interventors ap-
pointed in accordance with Article 12, the ministers of
State and the Mayor of the Federal District;

c)—until three months after definitive cessation of their
functions, the ministers of the Federal Supreme Court, and
the Attorney General of the Republic, the chiefs of staff,
the judges, the attorney-general and the regional attorneys
of the electoral justice, the secretaries of State and the
chiefs of police;

II—as governor :

a)—in each State, a governor who may have held the
office for any period of time in the period immediately pre-
ceding, or person who may have succeeded him, or who
may have substituted for him within the six months pre-
ceding the election; and a federal interventor appointed in
the form of Article 12, who may have exercised the func-
tions for any space of time in the governmental period
immediately preceding;

b)—until one year after definitive separation from his
functions, the President, the Vice President of the Republic,
and any substitutes who may have assumed the presidency;

c)—in each State, until three months after definitive
cessation of their functions, the secretaries of State, the
chiefs of the military districts, the commandants of police,
the federal and state magistrates and the chief of the
Public Ministry;

d)—until three months after definitive cessation of their
functions, those who may be ineligible for President of the
Republic, except those mentioned in items a) and b) of
this number;

III—as Mayor, anyone who may have held the office
in the period immediately preceding, as well as anyone
who may have succeeded him or who, within the six
months preceding the election, may have substituted for
him; and, likewise, for the same period, the police authori-
ties with jurisdiction in the municipality;

IV—for the Chamber of Deputies and the Federal
Senate, the authorities mentioned in Numbers I and II,
under the same conditions established therein, if in office
during the three months preceding the election;

V—for the legislative assemblies, the governors, secre-
taries of State, and the chief of Police, until two months
after definitive cessation of their functions.

Sole Paragraph—The precepts of this article apply to
the office-holders, both regular and provisional, in the
offices mentioned.

Art. 140—Likewise ineligible, under the same conditions
set forth in the preceding article are the spouse and rela-
tives or kin, to the second degree:

I—of the President and the Vice President of the Re-
public or of the substitute who may assume the presi-
dency:

a)~for President and Vice President;

b)—for Governor;

c)—for Deputy or Senator, except in case of having
already exercised the mandate or of having been elected
simultaneously with the President and Vice President of
the Republic;

II—of the Governor or Federal Interventor, appointed
in accordance with Article 12 in each State:

a)—for Governor;

b)—for Deputy or Senator except in case of having
already exercised the mandate or of having been elected
simultaneously with the Governor;

III—of the Mayor for the same office.
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it within four years;

III—those who acquired Brazilian nationality under the
terms of Article 69, Numbers IV and V, of the Constitution
of February 24, 1891;

IV—foreigners naturalized in the form which the law
may establish, it being required of the Portuguese merely
that they reside in the country one uninterrupted year
and be of good moral standing and physical health.

Art. 130—A Brazilian shall lose his nationality:

I—who, by voluntary naturalization, shall acquire another
nationality;

II—who, without permission of the President of the
Republic, shall accept a commission, employment, or pension
from a foreign government;

III—who, by judicial sentence, in process established
by law, shall have his naturalization cancelled by reason
of exercising activity injurious to the national interest.

Art. 131—Electors shall be Brazilians more than eighteen
years of age who register as prescribed by law.

Art. 132—The following may not register as electors:

I—the illiterate;

II—those who do not know how to express themselves
in the national tongue;

III—those who may be deprived temporarily or permanently
of political rights.

''Sole Paragraph''—enlisted soldiers also may not register
as electors, except officer candidates, sub-officers, sub-lieutenants,
sergeants, and students of military schools of
higher instruction.

Art. 133—Registration and voting are obligatory for
Brazilians of both sexes, save the exceptions established
by law.

Art. 134—Suffrage is universal and direct; the vote is
secret; and the proportional representation of the national
political parties is assured in the form which the law may
establish.

Art. 135—Political rights shall be suspended or lost
only in the following cases:

§ 1. They shall be suspended:

I—for absolute civil incapacity;

II—for criminal conviction, for as long as its effects shall
last;

§ 2. They shall be lost:

I—in the cases established in Article 130;

II—for the refusal provided for in Article 141, § 8;

III—for the acceptance of foreign title of nobility or decoration
which may imply restriction of right or duty before
the State.

Art. 136—The loss of political rights carries with it,
simultaneously, the loss of public office or function.

Art. 137—The law shall establish the conditions of
reacquisition of political rights and of nationality.

Art. 138—Those who may not be registered and those
mentioned in the Sole Paragraph of Article 132 may not
be elected.

Art. 139—The following also may not be elected:

I—as President and Vice President of the Republic:

a)—a President who may have held the office for any
space of time in the period immediately preceding, and
likewise the Vice President who may have succeeded him
or who, during the six months preceding the election, may
have substituted for him;

b)—until six months after definite separation from
their functions, the governors and federal interventors appointed
in accordance with Article 12, the ministers of
State and the Mayor of the Federal District;

c)—until three months after definitive cessation of their
functions, the ministers of the Federal Supreme Court, and
the Attorney General of the Republic, the chiefs of staff,
the judges, the attorney-general and the regional attorneys
of the electoral justice, the secretaries of State and the
chiefs of police;

II—as governor:

a)—in each State, a governor who may have held the
office for any period of time in the period immediately preceding,
or person who may have succeeded him, or who
may have substituted for him within the six months preceding
the election; and a federal interventor appointed in
the form of Article 12, who may have exercised the functions
for any space of time in the governmental period
immediately preceding;

b)—until one year after definitive separation from his
functions, the President, the Vice President of the Republic,
and any substitutes who may have assumed the presidency;

c)—in each State, until three months after definitive
cessation of their functions, the secretaries of State, the
chiefs of the military districts, the commandants of police,
the federal and state magistrates and the chief of the
Public Ministry;

d)—until three months after definitive cessation of their
functions, those who may be ineligible for President of the
Republic, except those mentioned in items a) and b) of
this number;

III—as Mayor, anyone who may have held the office
in the period immediately preceding, as well as anyone
who may have succeeded him or who, within the six
months preceding the election, may have substituted for
him; and, likewise, for the same period, the police authorities
with jurisdiction in the municipality;

IV—for the Chamber of Deputies and the Federal
Senate, the authorities mentioned in Numbers I and II,
under the same conditions established therein, if in office
during the three months preceding the election;

V—for the legislative assemblies, the governors, secretaries
of State, and the chief of Police, until two months
after definitive cessation of their functions.

Sole Paragraph—The precepts of this article apply to
the office-holders, both regular and provisional, in the
offices mentioned.

Art. 140—Likewise ineligible, under the same conditions
set forth in the preceding article are the spouse and relatives
or kin, to the second degree:

I—of the President and the Vice President of the Republic
or of the substitute who may assume the presidency:

a)—for President and Vice President;

b)—for Governor;

c)—for Deputy or Senator, except in case of having
already exercised the mandate or of having been elected
simultaneously with the President and Vice President of
the Republic;

II—of the Governor or Federal Interventor, appointed
in accordance with Article 12 in each State:

a)—for Governor;

b)—for Deputy or Senator except in case of having
already exercised the mandate or of having been elected
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''Individual Rights and Guaranties''
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Art. 141—The Constitution assures Brazilians and foreigners
residing in the country the inviolability of the rights
respecting life, liberty, individual {{SIC|securty|security}}, and property
in the following terms:

§ 1. All are equal before the law.

§ 2. No one may be obliged to do or refrain from doing
anything except by virtue of the law.

§ 3. The law shall not prejudice any vested right, any
juridical act accomplished, or an adjudged matter.

§ 4. The law shall not exclude any injury to individual
rights from consideration by the judicial power.

§ 5. The manifestation of thought is free and shall not
be dependent upon censorship, except as regards public
spectacles and amusements, and each of these shall be
responsible in the cases and in the form which the law may
establish, for any abuses they may commit. Anonymity
is not permitted. The right of reply is assured. The publication
of books and periodicals shall not be dependent
upon license from the public power. However, propaganda
for war, or violent processes to overthrow the political and
social order or prejudices of race or of class shall not be
tolerated.

§ 6. The secrecy of correspondence is inviolable.

§ 7. The liberty of conscience and creed is inviolable, and
the free exercise of religious sects is assured, as long as
they shall not be contrary to public order or good morals.
Religious associations shall acquire juridical personality
in the form of the civil law.

§ 8. No one shall be deprived of any of his rights by
reason of religious, philosophic or political conviction,
unless he shall invoke it in order to exempt himself from
any obligation, duty or service required by the law of
Brazilians in general, or shall refuse those which the same
law may establish as substitutes for those duties in order
to meet a conscientious excuse.

§ 9. Without constraint of the ones favored, religious
ministration shall be tendered by a Brazilian (art. 129, Nos.
I and II), to the armed forces, and likewise, when solicited
by interested parties or their legal representatives, in
establishments of collective internment.

§ 10. Cemeteries shall have secular character and shall
be administered by the municipal authority. All religious
confessions shall be permitted to practise their rites therein.
Religious associations may maintain private cemeteries,
in accord with the law.

§ 11. All may meet, without arms, without any intervention
on the part of the police except to assure public order.
With this object in view, the police may designate the place
for the meeting, with the understanding that proceeding
in this manner, they (the Police) do not frustrate the meeting
or render it impossible.

§ 12. Freedom of association for legitimate purposes is
assured. No association may be compulsorily dissolved except
by virtue of judicial sentence.

§ 13. The organization, registration, or functioning of
any political party or association whose program or action
may be contrary to the democratic regime based upon
plurality of parties and guaranty of the fundamental rights
of men, is prohibited.

§ 14. The practice of any profession shall be free, with
observance of such conditions of capacity as the law may
establish.

§ 15. The home is the inviolable refuge of the individual.
No one may enter therein at night, without the consent of
the dweller, except to go to the assistance of the victims of a
crime or a disaster, nor during the day, except in the cases
and in the manner established by law.

§ 16. The right of property is guaranteed except for the
case of expropriation for public necessity or utility, or social
interest, with prior and just indemnization in money. In
case of imminent peril, such as war or domestic commo-
tion, the competent authorities may use private property,
if the public good so requires, with the assurance of the
right to indemnization at a later date.

§ 17, Industrial inventions belong to their authors, to
whom the law shall guarantee temporary privilege, or, if
diffusion should be in the collective interest, it shall grant
a just reward.

§ 18. Ownership of industrial and commercial marks is
assured, as well as exclusivity in the use of a trade name.

§ 19. To the authors of literary, artistic or scientific works
shall belong the exclusive right to reproduce them. The
heirs of authors shall enjoy this right for such time as the
law may determine.

§ 20. No one shall be imprisoned except in the act of
committing a crime or, by written order issued by a com-
petent authority, in the cases specified by law.

§ 21. No one shall be taken to prison or detained therein
if he furnishes the bond permitted by law.

§ 22. The imprisonment or detention of any person shall
be immediately communicated to the competent judge,
who if it should not be legal, shall give release and, in
the cases provided for by law, shall hold the restraining
authority responsible.

§ 23. &quot;Habeas corpus&quot; shall be granted whenever any-
one shall suffer or be threatened with suffering violence or
restraint in his freedom of movement, by illegality or abuse
of power. In disciplinary transgressions, &quot;habeas corpus&quot;
shall not apply.

§ 24. To protect clear and certain rights not covered by
&quot;habeas corpus,&quot; a writ of security shall be granted,
whatever may be the authority responsible for the illegality
or abuse of power,

§ 25. The accused are assured of full defense with all
the means and resources essential thereto, commencing with
the note of guilt, which, signed by the competent authority,
with the names of the accuser and of the witnesses, shall
be delivered to the prisoner within 24 hours. The criminal
instruction shall be contradictory (contestable).

§ 26. There shall be no privileged court nor exceptional
judges and tribunals.

§ 27. No one shall be prosecuted or sentenced except
by the competent authority and as provided by a prior law.

§ 28. The institution of the jury is maintained, with such
organization as the law may give to it, provided that the
number of its members shall be always odd and the
secrecy of its voting shall be guaranteed, as shall be the
fullness of the defense of the accused and the sovereignity
of the verdicts. The judgment of crimes against life shall
obligatorily be of its jurisdiction.

§ 29. Penal law shall determine the individualization of
the punishment and shall only be retroactive when it shall
so benefit the accused.

§ 30. No penalty shall extend beyond the person of the
delinquent.

§ 31. There shall be no penalty of death, of banishment,
of confiscation, nor of perpetual character. Exception is
made, with respect to the death penalty, of the provisions
of military law in time of war with a foreign country. The
law shall provide for the sequestration and loss of property,
in the case of illicit enrichment, through influence or
through abuse of public office or function, or of employ-
ment in an autarchic entity.

§ 32. There shall be no civil imprisonment for debt, fines
or costs, except in the case of an unfaithful custodian and
of failure to fulfill one's obligation of maintenance, as
provided by law.
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Art. 141—The Constitution assures Brazilians and foreigners
residing in the country the inviolability of the rights
respecting life, liberty, individual {{SIC|securty|security}}, and property
in the following terms:

§ 1. All are equal before the law.

§ 2. No one may be obliged to do or refrain from doing
anything except by virtue of the law.

§ 3. The law shall not prejudice any vested right, any
juridical act accomplished, or an adjudged matter.

§ 4. The law shall not exclude any injury to individual
rights from consideration by the judicial power.

§ 5. The manifestation of thought is free and shall not
be dependent upon censorship, except as regards public
spectacles and amusements, and each of these shall be
responsible in the cases and in the form which the law may
establish, for any abuses they may commit. Anonymity
is not permitted. The right of reply is assured. The publication
of books and periodicals shall not be dependent
upon license from the public power. However, propaganda
for war, or violent processes to overthrow the political and
social order or prejudices of race or of class shall not be
tolerated.

§ 6. The secrecy of correspondence is inviolable.

§ 7. The liberty of conscience and creed is inviolable, and
the free exercise of religious sects is assured, as long as
they shall not be contrary to public order or good morals.
Religious associations shall acquire juridical personality
in the form of the civil law.

§ 8. No one shall be deprived of any of his rights by
reason of religious, philosophic or political conviction,
unless he shall invoke it in order to exempt himself from
any obligation, duty or service required by the law of
Brazilians in general, or shall refuse those which the same
law may establish as substitutes for those duties in order
to meet a conscientious excuse.

§ 9. Without constraint of the ones favored, religious
ministration shall be tendered by a Brazilian (art. 129, Nos.
I and II), to the armed forces, and likewise, when solicited
by interested parties or their legal representatives, in
establishments of collective internment.

§ 10. Cemeteries shall have secular character and shall
be administered by the municipal authority. All religious
confessions shall be permitted to practise their rites therein.
Religious associations may maintain private cemeteries,
in accord with the law.

§ 11. All may meet, without arms, without any intervention
on the part of the police except to assure public order.
With this object in view, the police may designate the place
for the meeting, with the understanding that proceeding
in this manner, they (the Police) do not frustrate the meeting
or render it impossible.

§ 12. Freedom of association for legitimate purposes is
assured. No association may be compulsorily dissolved except
by virtue of judicial sentence.

§ 13. The organization, registration, or functioning of
any political party or association whose program or action
may be contrary to the democratic regime based upon
plurality of parties and guaranty of the fundamental rights
of men, is prohibited.

§ 14. The practice of any profession shall be free, with
observance of such conditions of capacity as the law may
establish.

§ 15. The home is the inviolable refuge of the individual.
No one may enter therein at night, without the consent of
the dweller, except to go to the assistance of the victims of a
crime or a disaster, nor during the day, except in the cases
and in the manner established by law.

§ 16. The right of property is guaranteed except for the
case of expropriation for public necessity or utility, or social
interest, with prior and just indemnization in money. In
case of imminent peril, such as war or domestic commotion,
the competent authorities may use private property,
if the public good so requires, with the assurance of the
right to indemnization at a later date.

§ 17. Industrial inventions belong to their authors, to
whom the law shall guarantee temporary privilege, or, if
diffusion should be in the collective interest, it shall grant
a just reward.

§ 18. Ownership of industrial and commercial marks is
assured, as well as exclusivity in the use of a trade name.

§ 19. To the authors of literary, artistic or scientific works
shall belong the exclusive right to reproduce them. The
heirs of authors shall enjoy this right for such time as the
law may determine.

§ 20. No one shall be imprisoned except in the act of
committing a crime or, by written order issued by a competent
authority, in the cases specified by law.

§ 21. No one shall be taken to prison or detained therein
if he furnishes the bond permitted by law.

§ 22. The imprisonment or detention of any person shall
be immediately communicated to the competent judge,
who if it should not be legal, shall give release and, in
the cases provided for by law, shall hold the restraining
authority responsible.

§ 23. &quot;Habeas corpus&quot; shall be granted whenever anyone
shall suffer or be threatened with suffering violence or
restraint in his freedom of movement, by illegality or abuse
of power. In disciplinary transgressions, &quot;habeas corpus&quot;
shall not apply.

§ 24. To protect clear and certain rights not covered by
&quot;habeas corpus,&quot; a writ of security shall be granted,
whatever may be the authority responsible for the illegality
or abuse of power.

§ 25. The accused are assured of full defense with all
the means and resources essential thereto, commencing with
the note of guilt, which, signed by the competent authority,
with the names of the accuser and of the witnesses, shall
be delivered to the prisoner within 24 hours. The criminal
instruction shall be contradictory (contestable).

§ 26. There shall be no privileged court nor exceptional
judges and tribunals.

§ 27. No one shall be prosecuted or sentenced except
by the competent authority and as provided by a prior law.

§ 28. The institution of the jury is maintained, with such
organization as the law may give to it, provided that the
number of its members shall be always odd and the
secrecy of its voting shall be guaranteed, as shall be the
fullness of the defense of the accused and the {{SIC|sovereignity|sovereignty}}
of the verdicts. The judgment of crimes against life shall
obligatorily be of its jurisdiction.

§ 29. Penal law shall determine the individualization of
the punishment and shall only be retroactive when it shall
so benefit the accused.

§ 30. No penalty shall extend beyond the person of the
delinquent.

§ 31. There shall be no penalty of death, of banishment,
of confiscation, nor of perpetual character. Exception is
made, with respect to the death penalty, of the provisions
of military law in time of war with a foreign country. The
law shall provide for the sequestration and loss of property,
in the case of illicit enrichment, through influence or
through abuse of public office or function, or of employment
in an autarchic entity.

§ 32. There shall be no civil imprisonment for debt, fines
or costs, except in the case of an unfaithful custodian and
of failure to fulfill one's obligation of maintenance, as
provided by law.
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Since going to press my friend Mr. W. Howell has sent to
the Museum a toy musical instrument used by Sea-Dyak children as it is so very different from every other form of musical
instrument found in Borneo, I cannot refrain from adding a
brief description of it:—

Sea-Dyak—''Sulieng''—toy &quot; squeaker.&quot;

A piece of the stem of a species of ''Calamus'' known as
''Kerniong'', 21 centim. long and 1 centim. in diameter; one end is open and cut square, the other is closed by the natural septum, a very narrow crack runs down the whole length of the instrument on one side, in fact it is so narrow as to be hardly perceptible from the outside. A blast of air driven into the tube just forces apart the sides of the crack, but they quickly close again by virtue of their elasticity and curvature. If the pressure of air is maintained they are forced open again, close again and so on; in other words the sides of the tube bordering the crack vibrate and constitute a &quot;partial&quot; valve through which the air issues in a pulsatory manner producing a loud and penetrating squeak. The instrument may be compared with the trumpet class though in that class the lips of the performer constitute the &quot;partial&quot; valve, not the walls of the instrument itself. Malays know this instrument as ''seruné'', the same term as that employed by Land-Dyaks of the ''Bukar'' sub-tribe for their pipes with &quot;beating&quot; reeds.

Catalogue No. 1363. Rev. W. Howell [P. 6. xij. 03].

The wooden clappers used by Sea-Dyaks are also worthy of note. These instruments, which are known variously as ''tongkat
be-igi'', ''tongkat krutak'', ''tugal be-igi'', tugai behurong, and tugal klek,
are long staves of hard wood with an enlarged head, the head
is hollowed out but a loose block of wood occupies part of the
hollow and slides up and down when the staff is shaken this
block is cut out of the head itself, the hollowing of the head
and the freeing of the block being negotiated through four
longitudinal slits in the head.
The staffs are used as padidibblers, and they are carried and sounded at intervals by the


;

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40, 1904&lt;noinclude&gt;

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Since going to press my friend Mr. W. Howell has sent to
the Museum a toy musical instrument used by Sea-Dyak children as it is so very different from every other form of musical
instrument found in Borneo, I cannot refrain from adding a
brief description of it:—

Sea-Dyak—''Sulieng''—toy &quot; squeaker.&quot;

A piece of the stem of a species of ''Calamus'' known as
''Kerniong'', 21 centim. long and 1 centim. in diameter; one end is open and cut square, the other is closed by the natural septum, a very narrow crack runs down the whole length of the instrument on one side, in fact it is so narrow as to be hardly perceptible from the outside. A blast of air driven into the tube just forces apart the sides of the crack, but they quickly close again by virtue of their elasticity and curvature. If the pressure of air is maintained they are forced open again, close again and so on; in other words the sides of the tube bordering the crack vibrate and constitute a &quot;partial&quot; valve through which the air issues in a pulsatory manner producing a loud and penetrating squeak. The instrument may be compared with the trumpet class though in that class the lips of the performer constitute the &quot;partial&quot; valve, not the walls of the instrument itself. Malays know this instrument as ''seruné'', the same term as that employed by Land-Dyaks of the ''Bukar'' sub-tribe for their pipes with &quot;beating&quot; reeds.

Catalogue No. 1363. Rev. W. Howell [P. 6. xij. 03].

The wooden clappers used by Sea-Dyaks are also worthy of note. These instruments, which are known variously as ''tongkat
be-igi'', ''tongkat krutak'', ''tugal be-igi'', ''tugal bekurong'', and ''tugal klek'',


are long staves of hard wood with an enlarged head, the head
is hollowed out but a loose block of wood occupies part of the
hollow and slides up and down when the staff is shaken this
block is cut out of the head itself, the hollowing of the head
and the freeing of the block being negotiated through four
longitudinal slits in the head.
The staffs are used as padidibblers, and they are carried and sounded at intervals by the


;

R. A.-Soc, No.

40, 1904&lt;noinclude&gt;

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Since going to press my friend Mr. W. Howell has sent to
the Museum a toy musical instrument used by Sea-Dyak children as it is so very different from every other form of musical
instrument found in Borneo, I cannot refrain from adding a
brief description of it:—

Sea-Dyak—''Sulieng''—toy &quot; squeaker.&quot;

A piece of the stem of a species of ''Calamus'' known as
''Kerniong'', 21 centim. long and 1 centim. in diameter; one end is open and cut square, the other is closed by the natural septum, a very narrow crack runs down the whole length of the instrument on one side, in fact it is so narrow as to be hardly perceptible from the outside. A blast of air driven into the tube just forces apart the sides of the crack, but they quickly close again by virtue of their elasticity and curvature. If the pressure of air is maintained they are forced open again, close again and so on; in other words the sides of the tube bordering the crack vibrate and constitute a &quot;partial&quot; valve through which the air issues in a pulsatory manner producing a loud and penetrating squeak. The instrument may be compared with the trumpet class though in that class the lips of the performer constitute the &quot;partial&quot; valve, not the walls of the instrument itself. Malays know this instrument as ''seruné'', the same term as that employed by Land-Dyaks of the ''Bukar'' sub-tribe for their pipes with &quot;beating&quot; reeds.

Catalogue No. 1363. Rev. W. Howell [P. 6. xij. 03].

The wooden clappers used by Sea-Dyaks are also worthy of note. These instruments, which are known variously as ''tongkat
be-igi'', ''tongkat krutak'', ''tugal be-igi'', ''tugal bekurong'', and ''tugal klek'',


are long staves of hard wood with an enlarged head, the head
is hollowed out but a loose block of wood occupies part of the
hollow and slides up and down when the staff is shaken this
block is cut out of the head itself, the hollowing of the head
and the freeing of the block being negotiated through four
longitudinal slits in the head.
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{{float right|{{brace2|2}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''{{em|1.5}}{{sc|Genitive.{{em|5}}}}||0.3em}}auwe{{em|1.5}}&lt;br /&gt;auwurle&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|anyir}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}becomes Genitive in the case of pronominal adjectives.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|angk}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}Dative — ''to'', ''at'', ''in'', ''into'', ''with'', ''on''.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|anyir}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}''from'' — as a result.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|ambe}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}''for'', ''instead of'', ''for an object'' — (as &quot;kak in oura, nak&lt;br /&gt;{{em|7}}&quot;ambour ityan&quot; {{=}} ''put it here that I may see it''.&lt;br /&gt;{{em|7}}Literally, ''foresee it'' — nak amb).
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The following is a declension of the word ''kitye'' (he):—
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kitye}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kin}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kinangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kil{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''he''.&lt;br /&gt;''him''.&lt;br /&gt;''of him''.&lt;br /&gt;''to him''.&lt;br /&gt;''by him''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kinanyir, ''from him''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kinambe, ''for him''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:2.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Dative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Causative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kengk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|keng'gun{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|keng'gunauwe}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|keng'gunangk}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|keng'gul}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they two''.&lt;br /&gt;''them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them two''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | {{sc|From}}—keng'gunanyir, ''from them two''.{{em}}{{sc|For}}—keng'gunambe, ''for them two''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kar}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kan{{em}}}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kanangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|kar{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they''.&lt;br /&gt;''them''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kananyir, ''from them''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kanambe, ''for them''.
|}
The possessive or adjective pronouns, ''my'', ''his'', ''your'', &amp;c., change their terminations in forming their cases; the ''auwe'' becomes ''anyir'' before the termination expressing the case. Thus we say ''kinanyerald'', not ''kinauweald''. This will be best illustrated by the declension of the possessive pronouns ''kinauwe'' (his), ''keng{{'}}gunanwe'' (theirs—two), ''kanauwe'' (their):—
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{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
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{{float right|{{brace2|2}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''{{em|1.5}}{{sc|Genitive.{{em|5}}}}||0.3em}}auwe{{em|1.5}}&lt;br /&gt;auwurle&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|anyir}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}becomes Genitive in the case of pronominal adjectives.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|angk}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}Dative — ''to'', ''at'', ''in'', ''into'', ''with'', ''on''.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|anyir}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}''from'' — as a result.&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;|ambe}}{{em|3}}'''. .'''{{em|0.8}}''for'', ''instead of'', ''for an object'' — (as &quot;kak in oura, nak&lt;br /&gt;{{em|7}}&quot;ambour ityan&quot; {{=}} ''put it here that I may see it''.&lt;br /&gt;{{em|7}}Literally, ''foresee it'' — nak amb).
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The following is a declension of the word ''kitye'' (he):—
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kitye}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kin}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kinangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kil{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''he''.&lt;br /&gt;''him''.&lt;br /&gt;''of him''.&lt;br /&gt;''to him''.&lt;br /&gt;''by him''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kinanyir, ''from him''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kinambe, ''for him''.
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| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:2.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kengk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gun{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gunauwe}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gunangk}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gul}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they two''.&lt;br /&gt;''them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them two''.
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{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | {{sc|From}}—keng'gunanyir, ''from them two''.{{em}}{{sc|For}}—keng'gunambe, ''for them two''.
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{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kan{{em}}}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they''.&lt;br /&gt;''them''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kananyir, ''from them''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kanambe, ''for them''.
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The possessive or adjective pronouns, ''my'', ''his'', ''your'', &amp;c., change their terminations in forming their cases; the ''auwe'' becomes ''anyir'' before the termination expressing the case. Thus we say ''kinanyerald'', not ''kinauweald''. This will be best illustrated by the declension of the possessive pronouns ''kinauwe'' (his), ''keng{{'}}gunanwe'' (theirs—two), ''kanauwe'' (their):—
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| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
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The following is a declension of the word ''kitye'' (he):—
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kitye}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kin}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kinangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kil{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''he''.&lt;br /&gt;''him''.&lt;br /&gt;''of him''.&lt;br /&gt;''to him''.&lt;br /&gt;''by him''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kinanyir, ''from him''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kinambe, ''for him''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Dual''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:2.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kengk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gun{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gunauwe}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gunangk}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|keng'gul}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they two''.&lt;br /&gt;''them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them two''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them two''.
|}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | {{sc|From}}—keng'gunanyir, ''from them two''.{{em}}{{sc|For}}—keng'gunambe, ''for them two''.
|}
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| colspan=3 style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Plural''.
|-
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|0.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kan{{em}}}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanauwe{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kanangk}}'''{{em|1.7}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|kar{{em}}}}'''. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
| style=&quot;padding-left:0.5em;&quot; | ''they''.&lt;br /&gt;''them''.&lt;br /&gt;''of them''.&lt;br /&gt;''to them''.&lt;br /&gt;''by them''.
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{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-0.5em;width:100%;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;width:50%;border-right:solid 1px;text-align:right;padding-right:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|From}} — kananyir, ''from them''.
| style=&quot;text-align:left;padding-left:3.5em;&quot; | {{sc|For}} — kanambe, ''for them''.
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The possessive or adjective pronouns, ''my'', ''his'', ''your'', &amp;c., change their terminations in forming their cases; the ''auwe'' becomes ''anyir'' before the termination expressing the case. Thus we say ''kinanyerald'', not ''kinauweald''. This will be best illustrated by the declension of the possessive pronouns ''kinauwe'' (his), ''keng{{'}}gunanwe'' (theirs—two), ''kanauwe'' (their):—
{{center inline|{{fs|83%|{{sc|Kinauwe ''(His)''.}}}}}}
{| style=&quot;margin:auto;margin-top:-1em;font-size:83%;&quot;
| style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | ''Singular''.
|-
| {{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Nominative{{em}}}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Accusative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Genitive}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Dative}}}}'''{{em|3.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''&lt;br /&gt;{{style|position:absolute;background:white;color:var(--color-base-fixed,#202122);|{{sc|Causative}}}}'''{{em|1.8}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .{{em|2.5}}. .'''
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	margin-bottom: 1em;
}

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}
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}

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	margin-bottom: 1em;
}

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        <username>Beleg Âlt</username>
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}

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/*******************************************************/
/******************** PLAINLISTS ***********************/
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He continued to examine the weapon, and, raising the cock, he suddenly saw a priming glittering underneath like a 
little red flame. The pistol was loaded then, through a chance forgetfulness. 
And he found in this discovery a confused, inexplicable joy. 

If in the presence of the other man he did not have that calm, noble bearing that he should have, he would be lost 
forever. Ha would be spotted, branded with the sign of infamy, hunted from 
file world! And this calm, heroic bearing he would not have, he knew it, he felt it. However, he was brave, since 
he did wish to fight! He was brave, since.... The thought that budded never took form, even in his own mind; 
for, opening his mouth wide he brusquely thrust the barrel of his pistol into his throat, and pulled the trigger.... 

When his valet, hearing the report, hastened to him, he found him dead upon his back. A jet of blood had 
splashed upon the white paper on the table and made a great red spot upon these four words: 

&quot;This is my testament.&quot; 

{{c|{{larger|''The Love of Long Ago''}}}}

{{sc|The}} old-fashioned château was built on a wooded height. Tall trees surrounded it with dark greenery; and the 
vast park extended its vistas here over a deep forest and there over an open plain. Some little distance from the front of the mansion stood a huge stone basin in which marble nymphs were bathing. Other basins arranged in order succeeded each ether down as far as the foot of the slope, and a hidden fountain sent cascades dancing from one to the other. 

From the manor-house, which preserved the grace of a superannuated 
coquette, down to the grottos incrusted with shellwork, where slumbered the loves of a bygone age, everything in this 
antique demesne had retained the physiognomy of former days. Everything seemed to speak still of ancient customs, 
of the manners of long ago, of faded gallantries, and of the elegant trivialities so dear to our grandmothers. 

In a parlor in the style of Louis XV, the walls of which were covered with 
shepherds courting shepherdesses, beautiful ladies in hoop petticoats, and gallant gentlemen in wigs, a very old 
woman, who seemed dead as soon as she ceased to move, was almost lying 
down in a large easy-chair while her thin, mummy-like hands hung down, one at each side of her. 

Her eyes were gazing languidly toward the distant horizon as if they sought 
to follow the park visions of her youth. Through the open window every now 
and then came a breath of air laden with the scent of grass and the perfume 
of flowers. It made her white locks flutter around her wrinkled forehead and 
old memories sweep through her brain. 

Beside her on a tapestried stool, a&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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'''mortify''', ĉagreni; gangreniĝi.

'''mortification''' (''med''.), gangreno.

'''mosaic''', mozaiko.

'''mosquito''', moskito.

'''moss''', musko,

'''moth''' (''clothes'' —), tinco.

'''motive''', motivo.

'''motto''', devizo, moto.

'''mould''', model‘i, -ilo , tero, ŝimo

'''mound''', altajeto, remparo, digo.

'''mourn''', funebri. '''-ing''', funebra vesto.

'''move''', mov’i, -iĝi.

'''movement''', movo, movado.

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'''mud''', koto, ŝlimo.

'''muddle''', fuŝi; konfuzi.

'''muff''', mufo.

'''mug''', pokaleto.

'''mulberry''', moruso.

'''mule''', mulo.

'''mummy''', mumo.

'''murmur''', murmuri.

'''muscle''', muskolo.

'''museum''', muzco,

'''mushroom''', fungo, agariko.

'''muslin''', muslino.

'''mussel''', mitulo.

'''must''', devi.

'''mustard''', mustardo. (-''plant''), sinapo.

'''mutual''', reciproka.

'''myriad''', miriado.

'''mystery''', mistero.

'''myth''', mito.

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'''naive''', naiva.

'''naked''', nuda.

'''nape''', nuko.

'''nation''', nacio. 

'''native''', enlanda, indiĝena; (''—land'') patrujo.

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'''necktie''', kravato,

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'''need''', bezoni.

'''neglect''', ne zorgi pri, preterlasi, malatenti.

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'''neither''', nek.

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'''net''', reto; tulo.

'''nettle''', urtiko,

'''neuter''', neŭtra.

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'''nightingale''', najtingalo.

'''noble''', nobla. '''-man''', nobelo.

'''nod''', signodoni.

'''noise''', bruo.

'''nonsense''', scnsencaĵo.

'''noon''', tagmezo.

'''noose''', maso.

nor, nck.

normal, norma, normala.

north, nordo.

note, not’i, -o, rimark’i, -o
(music) noto, tono.

notice, rimarki, noti, avizo.

nought, nulo, neniae

nourish, nutri.

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'''moth''' (''clothes'' —), tinco.

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'''mound''', altajeto, remparo, digo.

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'''move''', mov’i, -iĝi.

'''movement''', movo, movado.

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&quot;What am I going to do? What is going to become of me?&quot; 

His whole body was vibrating, traversed by a jerking and a trembling; 
he got up and approached the window, opening the curtains. 

The day had dawned, a summer day. A rose-colored sky made the city rosy 
on roof and wall. A great fall of spread out light, like a caress from the rising 
sun, enveloped the waking world; and, with this light, a gay, rapid, brutal hope 
invaded the heart of the Viscount! He was a fool to allow himself to be thus 
cast down by fear, even before anything was decided, before his witnesses had 
seen those of this George Lamil, before he yet knew whether he were going to fight a duel. 

He made his toilette, dressed himself, and walked out with firm step. 


He repeated constantly, in walking: &quot;It will be necessary for me to be 
energetic, very energetic. I must prove that I am not afraid.&quot; 

His witnesses, the Marquis and the Colonel, placed themselves at his disposal and, after having shaken hands 
with him energetically, discussed the conditions. The Colonel asked: 

&quot;Do you wish it to be a serious duel?&quot; 

The Viscount responded: &quot;Very serious.&quot; 

The Marquis continued: &quot;Will you use a pistol?&quot; 

&quot;Yes.&quot; 

&quot;We leave you free to regulate the rest.&quot; 

The Viscount enunciated, in a dry, jerky voice: 

&quot;Twenty steps at the order, and on raising the arm instead of lowering it 
Exchange of bullets until one is grievously wounded.&quot; 

The Colonel declared, in a satisfied tone: 

&quot;These are excellent conditions. You shoot well, all the chances are in your favor.&quot; 

They separated. The Viscount returned home to wait for them. His agitation, appeased for a moment, grew 
now from minute to minute. He felt along his arms, his legs, and in his 
breast a kind of trembling, of continued vibration; he could not keep still, either 
sitting or standing. There was no longer an appearance of saliva in his mouth, 
and each instant he made a noisy movement with his tongue, as if to unglue it from the roof of his mouth. 

He wished to breakfast but he could not eat. Then the idea came to him of 
drinking to give himself courage and he brought out a small bottle of rum, which 
he swallowed in six glasses, one after the other. 

A heat, like that of a burning fire invaded him, followed almost immediately by a numbness of the soul. He thought : 

&quot;I have found the remedy. Now all goes well.&quot; 

But at the end of an hour, he had emptied the bottle and his state of agitation became intolerable. He felt a 
foolish impulse to roll on the ground, to cry out and bite. Then night fell. 

A stroke of the bell gave him such a shock that he had not sufficient strength 
left to rise and receive his witnesses. He dared not even speak to them to say &quot;Good evening,&quot; to pronounce a&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A printer at Hamburg, and composer of some music since the year 1773.  He published a German translation of some of the works by Dr. Burney.</text>
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{{TOC row 1-dot-1|[[The Birth of Mormonism/Chapter 1|I.]]|Joseph Smith, Jr., and His Golden Plates|{{spl|9|3}}}}
{{TOC row 1-dot-1|[[The Birth of Mormonism/Chapter 2|II.]]|The Translation|{{spl|27|3}}}}
{{TOC row 1-dot-1|[[The Birth of Mormonism/Chapter 3|III.]]|The Publication of the Book of Mormon|{{spl|41|3}}}}
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{{sh|Authorities Used in the Preparation of &quot;The Birth of Mormonism&quot;}}

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{{c|MORMON}}

# &quot;A Brief History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. George Q. Cannon and Sons Co., Publishers, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1899.&quot; This was specially commended to the writer by {{sc|The Deseret News}}.
# &quot;Life of Joseph Smith by George Q. Cannon,&quot; finished, as the Preface states, when the author was in the Utah Penitentiary, 1888. It is the official Life of the prophet,&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||87}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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as to produce motioD, and that motion so regulated as to point out the hour of the day : that if the diflFerent parts had been diflFerently shaped from what they are, 
of a different size from what they are, or placed after 
any other manner, or in any other order, than that in 
which they are placed, either no motion at all would 
have been carried on in the machine, or none that 
would have answered the use which is now served by it. 
To reckon np a few of the plainest of these parts, and 
of their offices all tending to one result : we see a cylin- 
drical box containing a coiled elastic spring, which, by 
its endeavours to relax itself, turns round the box. We 
next observe a flexible chain (artificially wrought for 
the sake of flexure) communicating the action of the 
spring from the box to the fusee. We then find a series 
of wheels the teeth of which catch in, and apply to each 
other, conducting the motion from the fusee to the 
balance, and from the balance to the pointer ; and at 
the same time by the size and shape of those wheels so 
regulating the motion as to terminate in causing an 
index, by an equable and measured progression, to ptiss 
over a given space in a given time. We take notice 
that the wheels are made of brass in order to keep them 
from rust ; the springs of steel, no other metal being so 
elastic ; that over the face of the watch there is placed 
a glass, a material employed on no other part of the 
work, but in the room of which if there had been any 
other than a transparent substance, the hour could not 
have been observed without opening the case. This 
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as to produce motioD, and that motion so regulated as to point out the hour of the day : that if the diflFerent parts had been diflFerently shaped from what they are, of a different size from what they are, or placed after any other manner, or in any other order, than that in which they are placed, either no motion at all would have been carried on in the machine, or none that would have answered the use which is now served by it. To reckon np a few of the plainest of these parts, and 
of their offices all tending to one result: we see a cylindrical box containing a coiled elastic spring, which, by 
its endeavours to relax itself, turns round the box. We next observe a flexible chain (artificially wrought for the sake of flexure) communicating the action of the spring from the box to the fusee. We then find a series of wheels the teeth of which catch in, and apply to each other, conducting the motion from the fusee to the balance, and from the balance to the pointer; and at the same time by the size and shape of those wheels so regulating the motion as to terminate in causing an 
index, by an equable and measured progression, to ptiss over a given space in a given time. We take notice that the wheels are made of brass in order to keep them from rust; the springs of steel, no other metal being so elastic; that over the face of the watch there is placed 
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of their offices all tending to one result: we see a cylindrical box containing a coiled elastic spring, which, by 
its endeavours to relax itself, turns round the box. We next observe a flexible chain (artificially wrought for the sake of flexure) communicating the action of the spring from the box to the fusee. We then find a series of wheels the teeth of which catch in, and apply to each other, conducting the motion from the fusee to the balance, and from the balance to the pointer; and at the same time by the size and shape of those wheels so regulating the motion as to terminate in causing an 
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Could any wiser or more useful form of bequest than this of Dr. Milroy have been bestowed? The College is no longer itself in need of the aid required in former times, but funds placed at its disposal for promoting the acquirement of knowledge constitute a benefaction that confers upon it the power of doing good in a manner standing most in harmony with the wants of the present age. Further, it may be said, the kind of knowledge sought to be advanced by the terms of the Milroy endowment is just that which is most ripe for encouragement at the present moment, and that also which holds a foremost rank in promise of benefit of a wide nature being conferred by its improvement.

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the white warrior from his Pytiguára brother. The
dog will henceforth follow him, so that even from a
distance Poty may hear his call.&quot;

&quot;But the dog is thy companion and faithful
friend.&quot;

&quot;It will be Poty՚s companion and friend still more
when it serves his brother than when it serves him.
The white warrior shall call it 'Japy,'&lt;ref&gt;''Japy'' means &quot;our foot.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; and it will
be the fleet foot with which from afar they will run
to each other.&quot;

Jacaúna gave the signal of departure.

The Pytiguára warriors marched for the glad banks
of the Heron՚s River, where rose the great Taba of the
Prairie Lords.

The sun declined and again soared in the heavens.
The warriors arrived where the sea-range fell towards
the midlands. Already they had passed that part of
the mountain which, being scant of tree and shorn
like the Capivára,&lt;ref&gt;''Capivára, capiuára'' (that which lives on Capim, the coarse
grass of the country), is a kind of water-hog. The Peruvian
people of Rio Branco wear the teeth of this animal as earrings.&lt;/ref&gt; the people of Tupan had called
Ibyapina.&lt;ref&gt;''Ibyapina'' means &quot;bald land.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;

Poty took the Christian where grew a leafy Jatobá,&lt;ref&gt;''Jatobá'', an enormous and royal-looking tree. The place
where this scene took place is now called Villa Viçosa, where
tradition says Poty, afterwards Camarão, was born. Jatobá is
the name of a river and of a Serra in South Quiteria, and Jatobá
was the name of the father of Poty and Jacaúna.&lt;/ref&gt;
that overtopped the trees of the Serra՚s highest point
when waving before the wind; it seemed to sweep
the sky with its immense dome.

&quot;On this spot the white warrior՚s brother was
born,&quot; said the Pytiguára Chief.

Martim embraced the enormous trunk.
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&quot;Jatobá, thou that sawest my brother Poty come
into the world: the stranger embraces thee!&quot;

&quot;May the lightning wither thee, O tree of the
warrior Poty! when his brother abandons him.&quot;

Then the chief spoke as follows:—

&quot;Then Jacaúna was not yet a warrior. Jatobá,
our greatest Chief, was leading the Pytiguáras to
victory. As soon as the full waters began to run, he
marched straight for the Serra. Arriving here, he
sent for the whole Taba, that it might be nearer the
enemy, to vanquish them again. The same moon
which saw their arrival shone upon the hammock in
which Sahy, his wife, gave him one more warrior of
his blood. The moonlight played amongst the leafage
of the Jatobá, and the smile upon the lips of the
great and wise Chief who had taken its name and
might.&quot;

Iracema approached.

The turtle-dove,&lt;ref&gt;In the original ''Rôla''.&lt;/ref&gt; feeding in the sands, leaves its
mate, who flits restlessly from branch to branch, and
coos that the absent one may reply. Thus the forest
girl wandered in search of her prop, softly humming
a gentle, tender song.

Martim received her with his soul in his eyes, and
leading his wife on the side of his heart, and his
friend on the side of his strength, returned to the
Ranch&lt;ref&gt;''Rancho'' is a shed made of mud and sticks, and thatched with
Sapé leaves or roofed with tiles.&lt;/ref&gt; of the Pytiguáras.
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into the world: the stranger embraces thee!&quot;

&quot;May the lightning wither thee, O tree of the
warrior Poty! when his brother abandons him.&quot;

Then the chief spoke as follows:—

&quot;Then Jacaúna was not yet a warrior. Jatobá,
our greatest Chief, was leading the Pytiguáras to
victory. As soon as the full waters began to run, he
marched straight for the Serra. Arriving here, he
sent for the whole Taba, that it might be nearer the
enemy, to vanquish them again. The same moon
which saw their arrival shone upon the hammock in
which Sahy, his wife, gave him one more warrior of
his blood. The moonlight played amongst the leafage
of the Jatobá, and the smile upon the lips of the
great and wise Chief who had taken its name and
might.&quot;

Iracema approached.

The turtle-dove,&lt;ref&gt;In the original ''Rôla''.&lt;/ref&gt; feeding in the sands, leaves its
mate, who flits restlessly from branch to branch, and
coos that the absent one may reply. Thus the forest
girl wandered in search of her prop, softly humming
a gentle, tender song.

Martim received her with his soul in his eyes, and
leading his wife on the side of his heart, and his
friend on the side of his strength, returned to the
Ranch&lt;ref&gt;''Rancho'' is a shed made of mud and sticks, and thatched with
Sapé leaves or roofed with tiles.&lt;/ref&gt; of the Pytiguáras.
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Her guiltless rival, she that ever kept
The one-day-seen Sir Lancelot in her heart,
Crept to her father, while he mused alone,
Sat on his knee, stroked his gray face and said,
&quot;Father, you call me wilful, and the fault
Is yours who let me have my will, and now,
Sweet father, will you let me lose my wits?&quot;
&quot;Nay,&quot; said he, &quot;surely.&quot; &quot;Wherefore, let me hence,&quot;
She answer'd, &quot;and find out our dear Lavaine.&quot;
&quot;Ye will not lose your wits for dear Lavaine:
Bide,&quot; answer'd he: &quot;we needs must hear anon
Of him, and of that other.&quot; &quot;Ay,&quot; she said,
&quot;And of that other, for I needs must hence
And find that other, wheresoe'er he be,
And with mine own hand give his diamond to him,
Lest I be found as faithless in the quest
As yon proud Prince who left the quest to me.
Sweet father, I behold him in my dreams
Gaunt as it were the skeleton of himself,
Death-pale, for lack of gentle maiden's aid.
The gentler-born the maiden, the more bound,
My father, to be sweet and serviceable
To noble knights in sickness, as ye know
When these have worn their tokens: let me hence
I pray you.&quot; Then her father nodding said,
&quot;Ay, ay, the diamond: wit ye well, my child,
Right fain were I to learn this knight were whole,
Being our greatest: yea, and you must give it—
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Her guiltless rival, she that ever kept
The one-day-seen Sir Lancelot in her heart,
Crept to her father, while he mused alone,
Sat on his knee, stroked his gray face and said,
&quot;Father, you call me wilful, and the fault
Is yours who let me have my will, and now,
Sweet father, will you let me lose my wits?&quot;
&quot;Nay,&quot; said he, &quot;surely.&quot; &quot;Wherefore, let me hence,&quot;
She answer'd, &quot;and find out our dear Lavaine.&quot;
&quot;Ye will not lose your wits for dear Lavaine:
Bide,&quot; answer'd he: &quot;we needs must hear anon
Of him, and of that other.&quot; &quot;Ay,&quot; she said,
&quot;And of that other, for I needs must hence
And find that other, wheresoe'er he be,
And with mine own hand give his diamond to him,
Lest I be found as faithless in the quest
As yon proud Prince who left the quest to me.
Sweet father, I behold him in my dreams
Gaunt as it were the skeleton of himself,
Death-pale, for lack of gentle maiden's aid.
The gentler-born the maiden, the more bound,
My father, to be sweet and serviceable
To noble knights in sickness, as ye know
When these have worn their tokens: let me hence
I pray you.&quot; Then her father nodding said,
&quot;Ay, ay, the diamond: wit ye well, my child,
Right fain were I to learn this knight were whole,
Being our greatest: yea, and you must give it—
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Nay, I mean nothing: so then, get you gone,
Being so very wilful you must go.&quot;

{{em}}Lightly, her suit allow'd, she slipt away,
And while she made her ready for her ride,
Her father's latest word humm'd in her ear,
&quot;Being so very wilful you must go,&quot;
And changed itself and echo'd in her heart,
&quot;Being so very wilful you must die.&quot;
But she was happy enough and shook it off,
As we shake off the bee that buzzes at us;
And in her heart she answer'd it and said,
&quot;What matter, so I help him back to life?&quot;
Then far away with good Sir Torre for guide
Rode o'er the long backs of the bushless downs
To Camelot, and before the city-gates
Came on her brother with a happy face
Making a roan horse caper and curvet
For pleasure all about a field of flowers:
Whom when she saw, &quot;Lavaine,&quot; she cried, &quot;Lavaine,
How fares my lord Sir Lancelot?&quot; He amazed,
&quot;Torre and Elaine! why here? Sir Lancelot!
How know ye my lord's name is Lancelot?&quot;
But when the maid had told him all her tale,
Then turn'd Sir Torre, and being in his moods
Left them, and under the strange-statued gate,
Where Arthur's wars were render'd mystically,
Past up the still rich city to his kin,
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Led to the caves: there first she saw the casque
Of Lancelot on the wall: her scarlet sleeve,
Tho' carved and cut, and half the pearls away,
Stream'd from it still; and in her heart she laugh'd,
Because he had not loosed it from his helm,
But meant once more perchance to tourney in it.
And when they gain'd the cell wherein he slept,
His battle-writhen arms and mighty hands
Lay naked on the wolfskin, and a dream
Of dragging down his enemy made them move.
Then she that saw him lying unsleek, unshorn,
Gaunt as it were the skeleton of himself,
Utter'd a little tender dolorous cry.
The sound not wonted in a place so still
Woke the sick knight, and while he roll'd his eyes
Yet blank from sleep, she started to him, saying,
&quot;Your prize the diamond sent you by the King:&quot;
His eyes glisten'd: she fancied &quot;Is it for me?&quot;
And when the maid had told him all the tale
Of King and Prince, the diamond sent, the quest
Assign'd to her not worthy of it, she knelt
Full lowly by the corners of his bed,
And laid the diamond in his open hand.
Her face was near, and as we kiss the child
That does the task assign'd, he kiss'd her face.
At once she slipt like water to the floor.
&quot;Alas,&quot; he said, &quot;your ride hath wearied you.
Rest must you have.&quot; &quot;No rest for me,&quot; she said;
&quot;Nay, for near you, fair lord, I am at rest.&quot;
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Till all her heart's sad secret blazed itself
In the heart's colours on her simple face;
And Lancelot look'd and was perplext in mind,
And being weak in body said no more;
But did not love the colour; woman's love,
Save one, he not regarded, and so turn'd
Sighing, and feign'd a sleep until he slept.

{{em}}Then rose Elaine and glided thro' the fields,
And past beneath the weirdly-sculptured gates
Far up the dim rich city to her kin;
There bode the night: but woke with dawn, and pas
Down thro' the dim rich city to the fields,
Thence to the cave: so day by day she past
In either twilight ghost-like to and fro
Gliding, and every day she tended him,
And likewise many a night: and Lancelot
Would, tho' he call'd his wound a little hurt
Whereof he should be quickly whole, at times
Brain-feverous in his heat and agony, seem
Uncourteous, even he: but the meek maid
Sweetly forbore him ever, being to him
Meeker than any child to a rough nurse,
Milder than any mother to a sick child,
And never woman yet, since man's first fall,
Did kindlier unto man, but her deep love
Upbore her; till the hermit, skill'd in all
The simples and the science of that time,
Told him that her fine care had saved his life.
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Would listen for her coming and regret
Her parting step, and held her tenderly,
And loved her with all love except the love
Of man and woman when they love their best,
Closest and sweetest, and had died the death
In any knightly fashion for her sake.
And peradventure had he seen her first
She might have made this and that other world
Another world for the sick man; but now
The shackles of an old love straiten'd him,
His honour rooted in dishonour stood,
And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true.

{{em}}Yet the great knight in his mid-sickness made
Full many a holy vow and pure resolve.
These, as but born of sickness, could not live:
For when the blood ran lustier in him again,
Full often the bright image of one face,
Making a treacherous quiet in his heart,
Dispersed his resolution like a cloud.
Then if the maiden, while that ghostly grace
Beam'd on his fancy, spoke, he answer'd not,
Or short and coldly, and she knew right well
What the rough sickness meant, but what this meant
She knew not, and the sorrow dimm'd her sight,
And drave her ere her time across the fields
Far into the rich city, where alone
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&quot;Oh! never mind,&quot; said Smith magnanimonsly, looking down at his feet. &quot;Cleary does them pretty well. You'll be out before long.&quot;

When Sam was discharged from the hospital the cadet corps had struck camp and gone into barracks for the year. The summer maidens, too, had fled, and East Point soon settled down to the monotony of winter work. Every cadet looked forward already to the next summer: the first class to graduation; the second to the glories of first-class supremacy in camp and ballroom; the third class to their two months' furlough as second-class men; but the fourth class had happier anticipations than any of the rest, for they were to be transformed in June from &quot;beasts&quot; into men, into real third-class cadets, with all the rights and privileges of human beings. Sam's dream was also irradiated with the hope of winning the affections of the fair Miss Hunter, to whom he had never addressed a word, but of whose in&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 58 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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That has but one plain passage of few notes,
Will sing the simple passage o'er and o'er
For all an April morning, till the ear
Wearies to hear it, so the simple maid
Went half the night repeating, &quot;Must I die?&quot;
And now to right she turn'd, and now to left,
And found no ease in turning or in rest;
And &quot;Him or death,&quot; she mutter'd, &quot;death or him,&quot;
Again and like a burthen, &quot;Him or death.&quot;

{{em}}But when Sir Lancelot's deadly hurt was whole,
To Astolat returning rode the three.
There morn by morn, arraying her sweet self
In that wherein she deem'd she look'd her best,
She came before Sir Lancelot, for she thought
&quot;If I be loved, these are my festal robes,
If not, the victim's flowers before he fall.&quot;
And Lancelot ever prest upon the maid
That she should ask some goodly gift of him
For her own self or hers; &quot;and do not shun
To speak the wish most near to your true heart;
Such service have ye done me, that I make
My will of yours, and Prince and Lord am I
In mine own land, and what I will I can.&quot;
Then like a ghost she lifted up her face,
But like a ghost without the power to speak.
And Lancelot saw that she withheld her wish,
And bode among them yet a little space
Till he should learn it; and one morn it chanced
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 | section    = The Rendezvous with Fate
 | previous   = [[../Chapter 18/]]
 | next       = [[../Chapter 20/]]
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Tears of joy rolled down San's damaged face.

&quot;I've brought you those photographs of the hazing, too,&quot; said Smith with a laugh. And he produced two small prints from his pocket. Sam took them with trembling hands and gazed at them with rapture. One of them represented Cleary and Jinks tied to the stake, apparently about to be burned to death, and Sam was delighted to see the ultra-perfect position which he had assumed. The other photograph had been taken the moment after Sam's immersion in the tub. He could see his hands clutching the rim, while his legs were widely separated in the air.

&quot;It might be General Meriden as well as me,&quot; he cried joyously. &quot;Nobody could tell the difference.&quot;

&quot;That's so,&quot; said Smith.

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Seeing I go to-day:&quot; then out she brake:
&quot;Going? and we shall never see you more.
And I must die for want of one bold word.&quot;
&quot;Speak: that I live to hear,&quot; he said, &quot;is yours.&quot;
Then suddenly and passionately she spoke:
&quot;I have gone mad. I love you: let me die.&quot;
&quot;Ah, sister,&quot; answer'd Lancelot, &quot;what is this?&quot;
And innocently extending her white arms,
&quot;Your love,&quot; she said, &quot;your love—to be your wife.&quot;
And Lancelot answer'd, &quot;Had I chosen to wed,
I had been wedded earlier, sweet Elaine:
But now there never will be wife of mine.&quot;
&quot;No, no,&quot; she cried, &quot;I care not to be wife,
But to be with you still, to see your face,
To serve you, and to follow you thro' the world.&quot;
And Lancelot answer'd, &quot;Nay, the world, the world,
All ear and eye, with such a stupid heart
To interpret ear and eye, and such a tongue
To blare its own interpretation—nay,
Full ill then should I quit your brother's love,
And your good father's kindness.&quot; And she said,
&quot;Not to be with you, not to see your face—
Alas for me then, my good days are done.&quot;
&quot;Nay, noble maid,&quot; he answer'd, &quot;ten times nay!
This is not love: but love's first flash in youth,
Most common: yea, I know it of mine own self:
And you yourself will smile at your own self
Hereafter, when you yield your flower of life
To one more fitly yours, not thrice your age:
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&quot;What's the matter?&quot; said the doctor as they entered the office. &quot;Oh! I see. You found him lying bleeding up by Fort Hut, didn't you?&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir,&quot; said Cleary

&quot;He must have fallen down and hit his head against a stone, don't you think so?&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;That's a dangerous place; the pine-needles make it very slippery,&quot; said the doctor, as he entered the case in his records. Here, Mose, put Cadet Jinks to bed.&quot;

This time Sam was laid up for two weeks, but he felt amply repaid for this loss of time by a visit from no less a person than Cadet Smith.

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&quot;Yes, sir,&quot; said Cleary

&quot;He must have fallen down and hit his head against a stone, don't you think so?&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;That's a dangerous place; the pine-needles make it very slippery,&quot; said the doctor, as he entered the case in his records. Here, Mose, put Cadet Jinks to bed.&quot;

This time Sam was laid up for two weeks, but he felt amply repaid for this loss of time by a visit from no less a person than Cadet Smith.

&quot;Mind you never tell any one I came here,&quot; said Smith, &quot;and treat me just the same when you come out as you did before; but I wanted
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&quot;Not much,&quot; said Clark. &quot;He'll mind his own business.&quot;

The company approached within a few yards of the ring.

&quot;Eyes right!&quot; shouted Captain Blair, and every man in the company turned his eyes away from the assembled crowd, and Blair himself stared into the woods on the other side of the path. The company had almost passed out of sight when Blair's voice was heard again.

&quot;Front!&quot; and the danger of detection had blown over.

After this faint interruption, Sam was brought up once more, pale and bloody, and hardly able to stand. Yet he smiled through the blood. Starkie stood off and gave him his ''coup de grace'', a full blow in the solar plexus, which doubled him up quite unconscious on the ground. Clark declared the fight finished, and the crowd broke up hastily, leaving Cleary and his associate to get Sam away as best they could. They had a pail of water, sponges and&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 55 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Did you ever see such a chap?&quot; said Smith to Saunders. &quot;Let's call the thing off.&quot;

&quot;Nonsense,&quot; said the latter. &quot;Wait till he's knocked insensible&quot;; and the rest of the spectators expressed their agreement with him.

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More specially should your good knight be poor,
Endow you with broad land and territory
Even to the half my realm beyond the seas,
So that would make you happy: furthermore,
Ev'n to the death, as tho' ye were my blood,
In all your quarrels will I be your knight.
This will I do, dear damsel, for your sake,
And more than this I cannot.&quot;

{{phantom|And more than this I cannot.&quot;}}While he spoke
She neither blush'd nor shook, but deathly-pale
Stood grasping what was nearest, then replied:
&quot;Of all this will I nothing;&quot; and so fell,
And thus they bore her swooning to her tower.

{{em}}Then spake, to whom thro' those black walls of yew
Their talk had pierced, her father: &quot;Ay, a flash,
1 fear me, that will strike my blossom dead.
Too courteous are ye, fair Lord Lancelot.
I pray you, use some rough discourtesy
To blunt or break her passion.&quot;

{{phantom|&quot;That were against me: what I ca}}Lancelot said,
&quot;That were against me: what I can I will;&quot;
And there that day remain'd, and toward even
Sent for his shield: full meekly rose the maid,
Stript off the case, and gave the naked shield;
Then, when she heard his horse upon the stones,
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At four o'clock on the day indicated a crowd of first and third-class men were collected to see the great event. No fourth-class men were allowed to attend except the two seconds. A ring was formed; Captain Clark was chosen as referee; and the two combatants, stripped to the waist, put on their hard gloves and entered the ring. Starkie eyed his antagonist critically, while Sam with a heavenly smile on his face did not focus his eyes at all, but seemed to be dreaming far away. When the word was given, however, he dashed in and made some desperate lunges at Starkie. It was easy to see in a moment that Sam could do nothing. He could not even reach his opponent, his arms were so much shorter. If Starkie held one of his arms out stiffly, Sam could not get&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 53 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The fight was arranged for a Saturday afternoon on the familiar hazing-ground near the old fort. Sam selected 
Cleary and another classmate for his seconds, and Starkie chose Saunders and Smith.

&quot;Jinks,&quot; said Smith in a moment of unwonted affability, &quot;you've got a chance now to distinguish yourself. I'll see that you get fair play. Of course, you'll have to fight to a finish, but you must take your medicine like a man.&quot;

&quot;Did General Gramp ever have to fight here?&quot; asked Sam, touching his cap.

&quot;Of course,&quot; said Smith, &quot;and on that very ground, too. You don't seem to have read much history.&quot;

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And Lancelot knew the little clinking sound;
And she by tact of love was well aware
Then Lancelot knew that she was looking at him.
And yet he glanced not up, nor waved his hand,
Nor bad farewell, but sadly rode away.
This was the one discourtesy that he used.

{{em}}So in her tower alone the maiden sat:
His very shield was gone; only the case,
Her own poor work, her empty labour, left.
But still she heard him, still his picture form'd
And grew between her and the pictured wall.
Then came her father, saying in low tones,
&quot;Have comfort,&quot; whom she greeted quietly.
Then came her brethren saying, &quot;Peace to thee,
Sweet sister,&quot; whom she answer'd with all calm.
But when they left her to herself again,
Death, like a friend's voice from a distant field
Approaching thro' the darkness, call'd; the owls
Wailing had power upon her, and she mixt
Her fancies with the sallow-rifted glooms
Of evening, and the moanings of the wind.

{{em}}And in those days she made a little song,
And call'd her song &quot;The Song of Love and Death,&quot;
And sang it: sweetly could she make and sing.

{{em}}&quot;Sweet is true love tho' given in vain, in vain;
And sweet is death who puts an end to pain:
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And Lancelot knew the little clinking sound;
And she by tact of love was well aware
Then Lancelot knew that she was looking at him.
And yet he glanced not up, nor waved his hand,
Nor bad farewell, but sadly rode away.
This was the one discourtesy that he used.

{{em}}So in her tower alone the maiden sat:
His very shield was gone; only the case,
Her own poor work, her empty labour, left.
But still she heard him, still his picture form'd
And grew between her and the pictured wall.
Then came her father, saying in low tones,
&quot;Have comfort,&quot; whom she greeted quietly.
Then came her brethren saying, &quot;Peace to thee,
Sweet sister,&quot; whom she answer'd with all calm.
But when they left her to herself again,
Death, like a friend's voice from a distant field
Approaching thro' the darkness, call'd; the owls
Wailing had power upon her, and she mixt
Her fancies with the sallow-rifted glooms
Of evening, and the moanings of the wind.

{{em}}And in those days she made a little song,
And call'd her song &quot;The Song of Love and Death,&quot;
And sang it: sweetly could she make and sing.

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And sweet is death who puts an end to pain:
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&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;You're a hog, and if you're a gentleman you'll be ready to fight if you're asked to.&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir,&quot; responded Sam, as Saunders turned on his heel and walked away. Somehow Clark's plan did not seem to have worked to perfection, but it must be all right, and he hastened to report the affair to his class committee, who promptly determined that Cadet Jinks must fight, and that their classmate Starkie be requested to represent them in the encounter. Starkie weighed at least thirty pounds more than Sam, was considerably taller, had several inches longer reach of arm, and was a practised boxer. Sam had never boxed in his life. These facts seemed to the committee only to enhance the interesting character of the affair.

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&quot;How?&quot; asked Saunders.

&quot;Why, all you've got to do is to insult him and then he'll have to fight.&quot;

&quot;How would you insult him?&quot; asked Saunders eagerly.

&quot;The best way,&quot; said Clark sententiously, &quot;is to call him a hog in public, and then, if he is a gentleman, he will be ready to fight.&quot;

&quot;I'll do it,&quot; said Saunders. &quot;I'm dying to see that fellow fight. Of course, I don't care to fight him. We can get Starkie to do that, I suppose.&quot;

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Clark. &quot;We'll select somebody that can handle him and teach him his place, depend on that.&quot;

Saunders set out at once to carry out the program. As soon as he found Jinks in a group of fourth-class men, he went up to him, and cried in a loud voice,

&quot;Jinks, you're a hog.&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir,&quot; said Sam, saluting respectfully.
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&quot;There are some fellows in the fourth class that need a little taking down, don't you think so?&quot; he asked.

&quot;If there are, take them down,&quot; said Clark laconically. &quot;Who do you mean?&quot;

&quot;Why, there's that Jinks fellow, for in-stance. He struts about as if he were a major-general.&quot;

&quot;He is pretty well set up, that's a fact,&quot; said Smith, &quot;but you can't object to that. I must say he does his work for me up to the handle. Look at that for a shine&quot;; and he exhibited one of his boots to the crowd.

&quot;I wonder if he can fight?&quot; said Saunders, changing his tactics. &quot;He's a well-built chap, and I'd like to see what he can do. How can we get him to fight if we can't haul him up for misbehaving?&quot;

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Love, thou art bitter; sweet is death to me.
O Love, if death be sweeter, let me die.

{{em}}&quot;Sweet love, that seems not made to fade away,
Sweet death, that seems to make us loveless clay,
I know not which is sweeter, no, not I.

{{em}}&quot;I fain would follow love, if that could be;
I needs must follow death, who calls for me;
Call and I follow, I follow! let me die.&quot;

{{em}}High with the last line scaled her voice, and this,
All in a fiery dawning wild with wind
That shook her tower, the brothers heard, and thought
With shuddering, &quot;Hark the Phantom of the house
That ever shrieks before a death,&quot; and call'd
The father, and all three in hurry and fear
Ran to her, and lo! the blood-red light of dawn
Flared on her face, she shrilling, &quot;Let me die!&quot;

{{em}}As when we dwell upon a word we know,
Repeating, till the word we know so well
Becomes a wonder, and we know not why,
So dwelt the father on her face, and thought
&quot;Is this Elaine?&quot; till back the maiden fell,
Then gave a languid hand to each, and lay,
Speaking a still good-morrow with her eyes.
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Sam hardly knew what to think. The news of her engagement had plunged him into despair, but the information that engagement was with her a temporary matter was decidedly welcome; and even if it were couched in language that could hardly be called flattering, still he was glad to bear it. Sam thanked the waiter and gave him a silver coin which he could ill spare from his pay, but he was satisfied that he had got his money's worth.

Sam ruminated deep and long over this hard-wrung gossip. He could not believe that the object of his dreams was no longer in her first girlhood. There was some mistake. Then it was absurd to suppose that she was reduced to the acceptance of inferior third-class men.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 46 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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As happy as when we dwelt among the woods,
And when ye used to take me with the flood
Up the great river in the boatman's boat.
Only ye would not pass beyond the cape
That has the poplar on it: there ye fixt
Your limit, oft returning with the tide.
And yet I cried because ye would not pass
Beyond it, and far up the shining flood
Until we found the palace of the King.
And yet ye would not; but this night I dream'd
That I was all alone upon the flood,
And then I said, 'Now shall I have my will:'
And there I woke, but still the wish remain'd.
So let me hence that I may pass at last
Beyond the poplar and far up the flood,
Until I find the palace of the King.
There will I enter in among them all,
And no man there will dare to mock at me;
But there the fine Gawain will wonder at me,
And there the great Sir Lancelot muse at me;
Gawain, who bad a thousand farewells to me,
Lancelot, who coldly went, nor bad me one:
And there the King will know me and my love,
And there the Queen herself will pity me,
And all the gentle court will welcome me,
And after my long voyage I shall rest!&quot;

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XVIII. At this time he had a desire to see the sarcophagus and body of Alexander the Great, which, for that purpose, were taken out of the cell in which they rested;&lt;ref&gt;Strabo informs us that Ptolemy caused it to be deposited in a golden sarcophagus, which was afterwards exchanged for one of glass, in which probably Augustus saw the remains.&lt;/ref&gt; and after viewing them for some time, he paid honours to the memory of that prince, by offering a golden crown, and scattering flowers upon the body.&lt;ref&gt;A custom of all ages and of people the most remote from each other.&lt;/ref&gt; Being asked if he wished to see the tombs of the Ptolemies also; he replied, &quot;I wish to see a king, not dead men.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Meaning the degenerate race of the Ptolomean kings.&lt;/ref&gt; He reduced Egypt into the form of a province; and to render it more fertile, and more capable of supplying Rome with corn, he employed his army to scour the canals, into which the Nile, upon its rise, discharges itself; but which during a long series of years had become nearly choked up with mud. To perpetuate the glory of his victory at Actium, he built the city of Nicopolis on that part of the coast, and established games to be celebrated there every five years; enlarging likewise an old temple of Apollo, he ornamented with naval trophies&lt;ref&gt;The naval trophies were formed of the prows of ships.&lt;/ref&gt; the spot on which he had pitched his camp, and consecrated it to Neptune and Mars.
&lt;ref follow=&quot;p81&quot;&gt;posion; and the ignorance of those times gave credit to the physical immunity which they arrogated. But Celsus, who flourished about fifty years after the period we speak of, has exploded the vulgar prejudice which prevailed in their favour. He justly observes, that the venom of serpents, like some other kinds of poison, proves noxious only when applied to the naked fibre; and that, provided there is no ulcer in the gums or palate, the poison may be received into the mouth with perfect safety.&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I suppose she has her father and mother with her?&quot; Sam suggested.

&quot;Oh, no, sir. She's all alone. She's been here all alone every summer this six years.&quot;

&quot;That's strange,&quot; said Sam. &quot;Hasn't she a protector?&quot;

&quot;Oh, yes! she has protectors enough. You see, she's always engaged.&quot;

&quot;Engaged!&quot; exclaimed the unhappy youth. &quot;How long has she been engaged, and to whom?&quot;

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And how about obeying the rules of the post that forbid the whole business, hazing and all?&quot; asked Cleary.

Sam was nonplussed for a moment.

&quot;I'm not a good hand at logic,&quot; he said. &quot;Perhaps you can argue me down. but I ''feel'' that it's all right. I wouldn't miss this special duty business for anything. It will make me a better soldier and officer.&quot;

&quot;Sam,&quot; said Cleary, who had now got intimate enough with him to use his Christian name,{{mdash}}&quot;Sam, you were just built for this place, but I'll be hanged if I was.&quot;

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&quot;What do you want them for?&quot; asked Smith suspiciously.

&quot;I'd like to have something to remember it by,&quot; said Sam. &quot;I want to be able to show that I did just what Generals Gramp and German did.&quot;

Smith smiled. &quot;All right,&quot; he replied. &quot;I'll get them for you if I can, and I'll expect you to work all the better for me. Now go.&quot;

&quot;Oh, thank you, sir{{mdash}}thank you!&quot; cried Sam; and he went.

That night he and Cleary talked over the situation in whispers as they lay in their bunks.

&quot;I don't like this business at all,&quot; said Cleary. &quot;I didn't come to East Point to black boots and make beds. It's a fraud, that's what it is.&quot;

&quot;Please don't say that,&quot; said Sam. &quot;They've always done it, haven't they?&quot;

&quot;I suppose so.&quot;
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&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;Oh, then, of course, you must make my bed, and bring water for me, and keep my equipments clean. If there's anything else. I'll tell you. If you don't do everything I tell you, I'll report it to the class committee and you'll have to fight, do you understand?&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;That will do, Jinks; you may go.&quot;

&quot;I beg your pardon, sir. May I ask you a question?&quot;

&quot;What?&quot; shouted Smith. &quot;Do you mean to speak to me without being spoken to?&quot;

&quot;I know it's very wrong, sir,&quot; said Sam, &quot;but there's something I want very much, and I don't know how else to get it.&quot;

&quot;Well, I'll forgive you this time, because I'm an easy-going fellow. If it had been anybody else but me, you'd have got your first fight. What is it? Out with it.&quot;

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&quot;I suppose you understand, Jinks, that none of us upper-class men can afford to be seen talking to you fourth-class beasts?&quot;

&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;

&quot;Of course, it wouldn't do. Don't look at me that way, Jinks. When an upper-class man is polite enough to speak to you, you should look down, and not into his face.&quot;

Sam dropped his eyes.

&quot;Now, Jinks, I wanted to tell you that you've been assigned to me to do such work as I want done. I'm going to treat you well, because you seem to be a pretty decent fellow for a beast.&quot;

&quot;Thank you, sir,&quot; said Sam.

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&quot;Who am I assigned to?&quot; asked Sam.

&quot;To Cadet Smith, and he's a much easier man. You're in luck. But my time's up. Good-by,&quot; and Cleary hurried away.

Sam Jinks left the hospital just one week after his admission. He might have stayed a day or two longer, but he insisted that he was well enough and prevailed upon the doctor to let him go. He set to work at once with great energy to make up for lost time and to learn all that had been taught in the week in the way of drilling. The morning after his release, when guard-mounting was over, Cleary told him that Cadet Smith wished to speak to him, and Sam went at once to report to him.

&quot;Jinks,&quot; said Smith, when Sam had approached and saluted, &quot;I am going down that path there to the right. Wait till I am out of sight and then follow me down. I don't want any one to see us together.&quot;

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He felt his head with his hand and looked inquiringly at Cleary, but his friend's face gave him no encouragement, and he made no answer.

&quot;I think I saw somebody taking a snap-shot of me up there,&quot; said Sam. &quot;Do you think I can get a print of it? I wish you'd see if you can get one for me.&quot;

&quot;It's not so easy,&quot; said Cleary. &quot;He was a third-class man, and of course we are not allowed to speak to him. They've just divided us fourth-class men up among the rest to do chores for them. My boss is Captain Clark. and he's the only upper-class man I can speak&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 38 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Did they duck you, too?&quot; asked Sam. &quot;You must be stronger than I am. It's a shame I couldn't stand it.&quot;

&quot;No. When they'd nearly killed you they let me off. Don't you be ashamed of anything. They kept you in there five minutes{{mdash}}I'm not sure it wasn't ten. If you weren't half a fish, you'd never have come to, that's all there is of that. And after you'd drunk all that tabasco, too!&quot;

&quot;Is my voice quite right?&quot; asked Sam.

&quot;Yes, thank fortune, there's no danger of your squeaking like Captain Clark.&quot; Sam sighed.

&quot;And is my nose quite straight?&quot;

&quot;Yes, of course; why shouldn't it be?&quot; Sam sighed again.

&quot;I'm afraid,&quot; he said, &quot;that no one will know that I've been hazed.&quot;

He was silent for a few minutes. Then a smile came over his face.
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husband; and besides these, another of Lucius Audasius, an old feeble man, who was under prosecution for forgery; as also of Asinius Epicadus, a Parthinian mongrel,&lt;ref&gt;Because his father was a Roman and his mother of the race of the Parthini, an Illyrian tribe.&lt;/ref&gt; and at last that of Telephus, a lady's prompter;&lt;ref&gt;It was usual at Rome, before the elections, for the candidates to endeavour to gain popularity by the usual arts. They would therefore go to the houses of the citizens, shake hands with those they met, and address them in a kindly manner. It being of great consequence, upon those occasions, to know the names of persons, they were commonly attended by a nomenclator, who whispered into their ears that information, wherever it was wanted. Though this kind of officer was generally an attendant on men, we meet with instances of their having been likewise employed in the service of ladies; either with the view of serving candidates to whom they were allied, or of gaining the affections of the people.&lt;/ref&gt; for he was in danger of his life from the plots and conspiracies of some of the lowest of the people against him. Audasius and Epicadus had formed the design of carrying off to the armies his daughter Julia, and his grandson Agrippa, from the islands in which they were confined. Telephus, wildly dreaming that the government was destined to him by the fates, proposed to fall both upon Octavius and the senate. Nay, once, a soldier's servant belonging to the army in Illyricum, having passed the porters unobserved, was found in the night-time standing before his chamber-door, armed with a hunting-dagger. Whether the person was really disordered in the head, or only counterfeited madness, is uncertain; for no confession was obtained from him by torture.

XX. He conducted in person only two foreign wars; the Dalmatian, whilst he was yet but a youth; and, after Antony's final defeat, the Cantabrian. He was wounded in the former of these wars; in one battle he received a contusion in the right knee from a stone—and in another, he was much hurt in&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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 | title       = Captain Jinks, Hero
 | author      = Ernest Howard Crosby |author-display= Ernest Crosby
 | translator  = 
 | section     = Chapter III: Love and Combat
 | previous    = [[../Chapter 2|Chapter II]]
 | next        = [[../Chapter 4|Chapter IV]]
 | year        = 1902
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&quot;Wait a moment,&quot; said the editor. &quot;Have you explained all that I told you to the captain?&quot;

&quot;Not yet,&quot; answered Cleary, &quot;but I'll do it now on the way to his hotel. He is going to leave town to-day, and he may be ordered to sail any day now. I will try to go on the same ship with him.&quot;

&quot;Perhaps I can manage it, too,&quot; said Jonas, as he shook hands with the two friends, &quot;if I can finish up all these arrangements. I must be on the ground there as soon as I can.&quot;

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You may be assured that it did my heart good to see my friend again, and as I ran to his side and opened fire on the officers, he flashed me a quick smile of recognition.

Three of the five officers opposing us had fallen, and now the remaining two turned and fled up the companionway to the top deck. Be­hind us were twenty or more mutineers eager to reach the highest deck, where all the surviv­ing officers had now taken refuge, and I could see more mutineers crowding up the companion­way from the main deck to join their fellows. Kamlot and I led the way to the next deck, but at the head of the companionway the surging mob of howling, cursing mutineers brushed past us to hurl themselves upon the officers.

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When June at last came and the new fourth-class men began to arrive, Sam felt a new life surge into his soul. For a year he had been duly meek and humble, for such it behooved a fourth-class man to be. Now, however, he began to entertain a measureless pride, such being the proper frame of mind of a man in the upper classes. He watched the hotel sedulously to learn when Miss Hunter had made her appearance. One morning he saw her, and she smiled more distinctly than ever. He knew that his felicity was only a short way off. He must wait two weeks until the graduation ball and the departure of the old first class;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 63 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Meanwhile great events had occurred, and thrown East Point into a state of excitement. The country was at war. Congress had determined to free the downtrodden inhabitants of the Cubapine Islands from the tyranny of the ancient Castalian monarchy. A call for volunteers had been issued, and the graduating cadets were to be hurried to the seat of war. During this agitation news arrived of a great naval victory. The mighty Castalian fleet had been annihilated with great loss of life, while the conquerors had not lost a man and had scarcely interrupted their breakfast in order to secure this crushing triumph. It was in the midst of such reports as these that the susceptible hearts of Sam Jinks and Marian Hunter came together. The graduating class had gone, and Sam had for two days been a full third-class man. For the first time he had occupied the front rank at dress-parade, and&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 64 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Mr. Collins speaks like a true poet, as well in sentiment as expression, when, with regard to the thirst of wealth, he says,
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But however just these sentiments may appear to those who have not revolted from nature and simplicity, had the author proclaimed them in Lombard Street, or Cheapside, he would not have been complimented with the understanding of the bellman.—A striking proof, that our own particular ideas of happiness regulate our opinions concerning the sense and wisdom of others!

It is impossible to take leave of this most beautiful eclogue, without paying the tribute of admiration so justly due to the following nervous lines:
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&quot;The horrid wretch!&quot; she exclaimed, throwing her arms about his neck and kissing him. &quot;I'm so glad they didn't break your nose.&quot;

&quot;Are you really?&quot; he asked, and as he read the truth in her eyes a weight was rolled from his soul.

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&quot;Oh! you will be a hero,&quot; she cried. &quot;I am sure of it, and what a time we shall have of it, you dear thing!&quot;

With his spare time thus occupied Sam did not see much of Cleary, who now shared another tent. One afternoon late in September he was on the way to the gate of the hotel grounds where he was accustomed to wait until Miss Hunter came out and joined him, when Cleary called him aside.

&quot;Sam,&quot; he said, &quot;I've got something of importance to say to you. Can't you come with me now?&quot;

&quot;Can't,&quot; said Sam. &quot;Miss Hunter's waiting for me.&quot;

&quot;Well, then, beg off to-morrow afternoon. I must have a long talk with you.&quot;

&quot;All right,&quot; answered Sam reluctantly. &quot;If I must, I must, I suppose.&quot;

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&quot;Oh! you will be a hero,&quot; she cried. &quot;I am sure of it, and what a time we shall have of it, you dear thing!&quot;

With his spare time thus occupied Sam did not see much of Cleary, who now shared another tent. One afternoon late in September he was on the way to the gate of the hotel grounds where he was accustomed to wait until Miss Hunter came out and joined him, when Cleary called him aside.

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&quot;Can't,&quot; said Sam. &quot;Miss Hunter's waiting for me.&quot;

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XXI. He conquered, however, partly in person, and partly by his lieutenants, Cantabria,&lt;ref&gt;Cantabria, in the north of Spain, now the Basque province.&lt;/ref&gt; Aquitania and Pannonia,&lt;ref&gt;The ancient Pannonia includes Hungary and part of Austria, Styria and Carniola.&lt;/ref&gt; Dalmatia, with all Illyricum and Rhætia,&lt;ref&gt;The Rhætian Alps are that part of the chain bordering on the Tyrol.&lt;/ref&gt; besides the two Alpine nations, the Vindelici and the Salassii.&lt;ref&gt;The Vindelici principally occupied the country which is now the kingdom of Bavaria; and the Salassii, that part of Piedmont which includes the valley of Aost.&lt;/ref&gt; He also checked the incursions of the Dacians, by cutting off three of their generals with vast armies, and drove the Germans beyond the river Elbe; removing two other tribes who submitted, the Ubii and Sicambri, into Gaul, and settling them in the country bordering on the Rhine. Other nations also, which broke into revolt, he reduced to submission. But he never made war upon any nation without just and necessary cause; and was so far from being ambitious either to extend the empire, or advance his own military glory, that he obliged the chiefs of some barbarous tribes to swear in the temple of Mars the Avenger,&lt;ref&gt;The temple of Mars Ultor was erected by Augustus in fulfilment of a vow made by him at the battle of Philippi. It stood in the Forum which he built, mentioned in chap. xxxix. There are no remains of either.&lt;/ref&gt; that they would faithfully observe their engagements, and not violate the peace which they had implored. Of some he demanded a new description of hostages, their women, having found from experience that they cared little for their men when given as hostages; but he always afforded them the means of getting back their hostages whenever they wished it. Even those who engaged most frequently and with the greatest perfidy in their rebellion, he never punished more severely than by selling their captives, on the terms&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I'd give anything to go!&quot; exclaimed Sam.

&quot;You wouldn't want to stay on account of that girl of yours?&quot;

&quot;No, indeed; she would be the first to want me to go.&quot;

&quot;Then why don't you go?&quot;

&quot;How can I?&quot; said Sam. &quot;We've got three more years here. That ties us down for that time, and by the time that's over the war will be over too.&quot;

&quot;That's what I think, and I'm sick of this place anyhow. I'm going to resign.&quot;

&quot;Resign!&quot; cried Sam. &quot;Resign and give up your career!&quot;

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time all were transformed into maniacal furies, as time and again they charged the last fortress of authority, the oval tower on the upper deck.

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the main deck from which, in turn, it was thrown into the sea. And then, at last, the mu­tineers gained access to the tower, from which they dragged the remaining officers, butchering them on the upper deck or hurling them to their shrieking fellows below.

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&quot;Oh, Cleary!&quot; exclaimed Sam reproachfully.

&quot;Tut, tut, Sam. You're not up to date. We've got no field-marshals in our army and the newspaper correspondents take their place. Their names are better known than the generals, and they advertise each other and get a big share of the glory; and then they can always decently step aside when they've got enough. They needn't stay on the fighting-line, and that's a consideration. No, I'm sick of ordinary soldiering, but I'm willing to be a field-marshal. My father has an interest in the ''Metropolitan Daily Lyre'', and I've written to him for an appointment as correspondent in the Cubapines. What I've learned here will help me a lot. But I want you to go with me.&quot;

&quot;Me? Go with you? Do you think I'd be a newspaper correspondent?&quot;

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With the death of the captain the battle was over, the ship was ours. My plan had suc­ceeded, but the thought suddenly assailed me
that I had created a terrible power that it might be beyond me to control. I touched Kamlot on the arm. “Follow me,” I directed and started for the main deck.

“Who is at the bottom of this?” asked Kamlot as we forced our way among the excited mu­tineers.

“The mutiny was my plan, but not the massacre,” I replied. “Now we must attempt to restore order out of chaos.”

“If we can,” he remarked dubiously.

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There was great force in Cleary's argument, and Sam knew it. East Pointers were scandalized at the manner in which outsiders were jumped into important commands in the field, and when engagements took place the volunteers came in for all the praise, while the regulars who did almost all the work were hardly mentioned.
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&quot;Not a bit,&quot; said Cleary. &quot;I'm looking out for myself. If you go as a major and I go as correspondent, I'll just freeze to you and make a hero of you whether you will or not. I'II make your fortune, and you'll make mine. I'll see that you get a chance, and I know that you'll take it if you get it. You're just cut out for it. Now get permission from the young woman and we'll call it a go.&quot;

The following afternoon Sam walked over the same ground, but this time it was Marian who accompanied him. She was enthusiastic over Cleary's proposition.

&quot;Just think of it! You'll come back a hero and a general, and I don't know what not, and we'll get married, and the President will come to the wedding and then we'll have our wedding tour up here, and the corps will turn out and fire a salute, and we'll be the biggest people at East Point. Won't it be splendid?&quot;
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&quot;Oh, Sam! if you did, how proud I'd be of it. I'd wear black for a whole year, and they'd put up a monument to you over there in the cemetery and have a grand funeral, and I'd be in the first carriage, and the flag would be draped, and the band would play the funeral march. Oh, dear! how grand it would be, and how all the girls would envy me!&quot;

Tears came to her eyes as she spoke.

&quot;Just think of being the ''fiancée'' of a hero who died for his country! Oh, Sam, Sam!&quot;
Sam took her in his arms.

&quot;You're my own brave soldier's wife,&quot; he said. &quot;I'd be almost ready to die for you, but if I don't, I'll come back and marry you. I'll write to uncle for a commission to-night, and ask his advice about resigning here either now or later. It hardly seems true that I may really go to a real war.&quot; And his tears fell and mingled with hers.

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Furthermore, he had heard of Sam's excellent record at East Point and was disposed to lend him what aid could be derived from his influence with the Administration. When Sam's father learned that his brother approved of the project, he offered no objection, and a few weeks after Cleary had broached the subject, both of the young men sent in their resignations, and these were accepted. Cleary left at once for the metropolis to perfect his plans, while Sam remained for a few days at the Point to bid farewell to his betrothed. His uncle had at once sent in his name to the War Department as a candidate for colonel of volunteers with letters of recommendation from the most influential men at the Capital. While Sam was still at East Point he saw in the daily paper that his name had been sent in to the Senate as captain of volunteers with a long list of others, and almost immediately he received&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 73 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Cleary met Sam at the station in the city and took him to a modest hotel.

&quot;It's going to be bigger thing than I thought,&quot; he said, as they sat down together for a good talk in the hotel lobby, after Sam had made himself at home in his room. &quot;I'm going to run a whole combination. I've got in with a man who's a real genius. His name's Jonas. He represents the brewers' trust, and he's going out to start saloons with chattel mortgages on the fixtures. It's a big thing by itself. But then besides that he's got orders to apply for street-railroad franchises wherever&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 74 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;No,&quot; said Sam, &quot;not yet. My uncle wants me to come and spend a few days with him at Slowburgh to make my acquaintance, and the commission will go there. I'm to be in the 200th Volunteer Infantry. I don't quite understand all your plans, but I hope I'll get a chance at real fighting for our country, and I should like to be a great soldier. You know that, Cleary.&quot;

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&quot;Oh! thank you,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;Now, good-by. I'll come in for you to-morrow and take you in to see our war editor. He's a daisy. So long.&quot;

When on the morrow Sam was ushered into the den of the war editor, he was surprised to see what a shabby room it was. The great man was sitting at a desk which was almost hidden under piles of papers, letters, telegrams, and memoranda. The chairs in the room were equally encumbered, and he had to empty the contents of two of them on the floor before Sam and Cleary could sit down.

&quot;Ah, Captain Jinks, glad to see you!&quot; he said.

Sam beamed with delight. It was the first time that he had heard his new title{{mdash}}a title, in fact, to which he had as yet no right.
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There is a beauty and propriety in the epithet wildering, which strikes us more forcibly, the more we consider it.

The opening of the dialogue is equally happy, natural, and unaffected; when one of the shepherds, weary and overcome with the fatigue of flight, calls upon his companion to review the length of way they had passed. This is certainly painting from nature, and the thoughts, however obvious, or destitute of refinement, are perfectly in character. But as the closest pursuit of nature is the surest way to excellence in general, and to sublimity in particular, in poetical description, so we find that this simple suggestion of the shepherd is not unattended with magnificence. There is a grandeur and variety in the landscape he describes:
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sounded the men began to pour onto the deck from all parts of the vessel.

I mounted the breech of one of the guns, and, surrounded by my faithful band, I announced that the Soldiers of Liberty had taken over the ship, that those who wished to accompany us must obey the vookor of the band; the others would be put ashore.

“Who is vookor?” demanded a soldier whom I recognized as one of those who had been most violent in the attack upon the officers.

“I am,” I replied.

“The vookor should be one of us,” he growled.

“Carson planned the mutiny and carried it to success,” shouted Kiron. “Carson is vookor.”

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&quot;Of course you are, my dear captain; of course you are. And your ideas of the cause of the war, as a military man, are quite correct. Indeed, if you will read my editorial of yesterday you will see the same ideas developed at some length.&quot;

He pressed an electric button on his desk, and a clerk entered.

&quot;Get me a copy of yesterday's paper.&quot;

In a moment it was brought; the editor opened it, marked an article with a dash of his blue pencil, and handed it to Sam.

&quot;There,&quot; said he, &quot;put that in your pocket and read it. I am sure that you will agree with every word of it. Your understanding of the situation does great credit to your insight. That is, if I may use the term, the esoteric side of the question. It is only on the external and material side that it is really a&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 78 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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XXII. The temple of Janus Quirinus, which had been shut twice only, from the era of the building of the city to his own time, he closed thrice in a much shorter period, having established universal peace both by sea and land. He twice entered the city with the honours of an Ovation,&lt;ref&gt;&quot;The Ovatio was an inferior kind of Triumph, granted in cases where the victory was not of great importance, or had been obtained without difficulty. The general entered the city on foot or on horseback, crowned with myrtle, not with laurel; and instead of bullocks, the sacrifice was performed with a sheep, whence this procession acquired its name.&quot;—''Thomson''.&lt;/ref&gt; namely, after the war of Philippi, and again after that of Sicily. He had also three curule triumphs&lt;ref name=&quot;p85&quot;&gt;&quot;The greater Triumph, in which the victorious general and his army advanced in solemn procession through the city to the Capitol, was the highest military honour which could be obtained in the Roman state. Foremost in the procession went musicians of various kinds, singing and playing triumphal songs. Next were led the oxen to be sacrificed, having their horns gilt, and their heads adorned with fillets and garlands. Then in carriages were brought the spoils taken from the enemy, statues, pictures, plate, armour, gold and silver, and brass; with golden crowns, and other gifts, sent by the allied and tributary states. The captive princes and generals followed in chains, with their children and attendants. After them came the lictors, having their ''fasces'' wreathed with laurel, followed by a great company of musicians and dancers dressed like Satyrs, and wearing crowns of gold; in the midst of whom was one in a female dress, whose business it was, with his looks and gestures, to insult the vanquished. Next followed a long train of persons carrying perfumes. Then came the victorious general, dressed in purple embroidered with gold, with a crown of laurel on his head, a branch of laurel in his right hand, and in his left an ivory sceptre, with an eagle on the top; having&lt;/ref&gt; for his several victories in&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Oh! none at all,&quot; said Sam, with a sigh of relief. &quot;I never quite understood it before, and you make it all so clear!&quot;

Now you will be prepared by what I have said to comprehend that it's just in this line of creating the news beforehand that we want to make use of you, and at the same time it will be the making of you, do you see?&quot;

&quot;Not quite,&quot; said Sam. &quot;How do you mean?&quot;

&quot;Why, we understand that you're a most promising military man and that you intend to distinguish yourself. Suppose you do, what good will it do, if nobody ever hears of it? Doesn't your idea of heroism include a certain degree of appreciation?&quot;

&quot;Yes.&quot;

&quot;Of publicity, I may say?&quot;

Sam nodded assent.

&quot;Or even in plain newspaper talk, of advertising?&quot;
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&quot;That's a rather blunt word, I confess; but when you do some fine exploit, you wouldn't mind seeing it printed in full in the papers that the people at home read, would you?&quot;

&quot;No-o-o, not exactly; but then I should only want you to tell the truth about it.&quot;

&quot;Of course; I know that, but there are lots of ways of telling the truth. We might put it in at the bottom of an inside page and give only a stick to it, or we might let it have the whole first page here, with your portrait at the top and headlines like that&quot;; and he showed him a title in letters six inches long.

&quot;You'd prefer that, wouldn't you?&quot;

&quot;I'm afraid I would,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;Well, if you didn't you'd be a blamed fool, that's all I've got to say, and we wouldn't care to bother about you.&quot;

&quot;I'm sure it's very good of you to take me up,&quot; said Sam. &quot;Why do you select me instead of one of the great generals at the front?&quot;
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&quot;And we'll see that you have the chance. It's a big game we're playing, but we hold the cards and we don't often lose. You're not the only card, to be sure. We've got a lot of men at the front now representing us. Several of our correspondents have made a hit already, and some of them have made themselves more famous than the generals! Ha, ha! Our head editor is going out next month, and of course we'll see to it that he does wonders. Hullo! there's Jonas now. Why, this is a lucky meeting. Here, Jonas. You know Cleary. Mr. Jonas, Captain Jinks. I'll be blessed if here isn't the whole combination.&quot;

Mr. Jonas, who had come into the room unannounced, and perched himself on the corner of a table, was a rather short man with a brown beard and eye-glasses, and wore his hat on the back of his head.

&quot;Well, Jonas, how are things going?&quot; asked the editor.
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&quot;Skinner &amp; Company, one of the biggest financial houses in the street,&quot; the editor explained to Sam.

&quot;And they've agreed to go the whole job. First of all, it'll be chiefly trade. I showed them the contracts for boots and hats for the army, and they were tickled to death. They'll let us have as much as we want on them. I didn't have the embalmed-beef contract with me{{mdash}}it smells too bad to carry round in my pocket, hee-hee!{{mdash}}but I explained it to them, and it's even better. They're quite satisfied.&quot;

&quot;And how is the beer business going?&quot;

&quot;Oh! that's a success already. Look at this item,&quot; and he pulled a newspaper from his pocket and showed it to the editor.

&quot;One hundred more saloons in Havilla than there were at this time last year! Can that be possible?&quot; ejaculated the latter.

&quot;Yes, and I'm behind fifty-eight of them. That agent I sent out ahead is a jewel.&quot;

&quot;Have you been up at the Bible Society?&quot;
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&quot;How is the rifle deal coming out?&quot;

&quot;Only so-so. The Government will take about three-quarters of the lot. The rest we'll have to unload on the Cubapinos.&quot;

&quot;What!&quot; exclaimed Sam, &quot;aren't they fighting against us now?&quot;

&quot;Oh! we don't sell them direct of course,&quot; added Jonas, &quot;but we can't alter the laws of trade, can we? And they require that things get into the hands of the people who'll pay the most for them, hey?&quot;

&quot;Naturally,&quot; said the editor. &quot;Captain Jinks has not studied political economy. It's all a matter of supply and demand.&quot;
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&quot;I suppose it's too early to do anything definite about concessions for trolleys and gas and electric-lighting plants,&quot; said the editor.

&quot;Not a bit of it. That's what I went to see Skinner about to-day. I'm sounding some of the chief natives already, and our people there are all right. Skinner's lawyers are at work at the charters, and I'll take them out with me. We can put them through as soon as we annex the islands.&quot;

&quot;But we promised not to annex them!&quot; cried Sam.

The editor and Jonas looked knowingly at each other.

&quot;The captain is not a diplomatist, you see,&quot; said the former. &quot;As for that matter, a soldier oughtn't to be. You understand, Captain, that all promises are made subject to the proviso that we are able to carry them out.&quot;
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&quot;Now it's perfectly clear that we can never fulfil this promise. It is our destiny to stay there. It would be flying in the face of Providence and doing the greatest injury to the natives to abandon them. They would fly at each other's throats the moment we left them alone.&quot;

&quot;They haven't flown at each other's throats where we have left them alone,&quot; mused Sam aloud.

&quot;I didn't say they had, but that they would,&quot; explained the editor.

&quot;Oh! I see,&quot; said Sam, and he relapsed into silence.

&quot;Talking of electric lights,&quot; continued Jonas, &quot;I've got a book here full of all sorts of electric things that we'll have to introduce there. There's the electrocution chair; look at that design. They garrote people in the most barbarous manner out there now. We'll civilize them, if we get a chance!&quot;

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about him.

“It is necessary,” I said, “that all men return at once to their duties, for the ship must be handled, no matter who commands. If there is any question about leadership, that can be settled later. In the meantime, I am in com­mand; Kamlot, Gamfor, Kiron, Zog, and Honan are my lieutenants; with me, they will officer the ship. All weapons must be turned over immediately to Kiron at the armory, ex­cept those carried by men regularly detailed by him for guard duty.”

“No one is going to disarm me,” blustered Kodj. “I have as much right to carry weapons as anyone. We are all free men now. I take
orders from no one.”

Zog, who had edged closer to him as he spoke, seized him by the throat with one of his huge hands and with the other tore the belt from about his hips. “You take orders from the new vookor or you go overboard,” he growled, as he released the man and handed his weapons to Kiron.
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&quot;Yes,&quot; said Jonas, &quot;we may have trouble with the poorest tribes. We must make them want things, that's all. The best way to begin is to tax them. I've got a plan ready for a hut-tax of five dollars a year. That's little enough, I should think, but some of them never see money and they'll have to work to get it. That will make them work the coal- and iron-mines. Skinner has his eye on these, too. When the natives once begin to earn money, they'll soon want more and then they'll spend it on us.&quot;

&quot;But the Government there will be too poor to take up great public expenditures for a long time yet,&quot; said Cleary.

&quot;Don't be too sure of that. They haven't even got a national debt. That's one of the first things we'll provide for. They're a most primitive people. Just think of their existing up to the present time without a national debt! They're mere savages.&quot;

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It was an hour before even a semblance of order or routine had been reëstablished. Kamlot, Gamfor, and I were gathered in the chart room in the tower. Our consort was hull down below the horizon, and we were discussing the means that should be adopted to capture her without bloodshed and rescue Duare and the other Vepajan prisoners aboard her. The idea had been in my mind from the very inception
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“How do you feel about it, personally?” I asked him.

“I am under your orders,” he replied; “I will do anything that you command, but I am only one—you have two hundred whose wishes
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“I shall consult only my officers,” I replied; “to the others, I shall issue orders.”

“That is the only way,” said Kamlot in a tone of relief.

“Inform the other officers that we shall attack the ''Sovong'' at daybreak,” I instructed them.

“But we dare not fire on her,” protested Kam­lot, “lest we endanger the life of Duare.”

“I intend boarding her,” I replied. “There will be no one but the watch on deck at that hour. On two other occasions the ships have
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Laura La Plante is a clever cook who knows the value of presenting healthful foods in attractive and palatable form. The star of Universal's &quot;Show Boat&quot; includes bran in many of her recipes article 


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{{di|S}}TORED within the humble bran is the nucleus of health and beauty. This fibrous food, rich in mineral content, does an important regulative work in the body, and no housekeeper who has the health of her family in her keeping, can afford to neglect it. 

On another page in this issue you will find an article by Dr. H. B. K. Willis in which he speaks about bran and stresses the body's need of it. I merely want to tell you here how you may use bran in cooking, bringing variety to your meals while you are storing up health and energy for the members of your household. 

Laura La Plante gives us her recipe for Bran Muffins. These are the ingredients for eight large, or twelve medium size muffins: 

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{{di|G}}INGER cake made with bran is a simple, healthful dessert for hot weather meals. First measure out:

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* 2 tablespoons milk 
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* 1 teaspoon baking powder 
* ¾ teaspoon cinnamon 
* ½ teaspoon cloves 
* ¼ teaspoon mace 
* ¼ teaspoon nutmeg 
* ½ teaspoon salt 
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Cream the butter. Add sugar and egg, and beat well. Pour in the milk next, and then add the bran and raisins, and flour which has been sifted with the spices. Chill, roll thin, cut in any desired shapes, and bake in a moderate oven. 

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{{di|S}}TORED within the humble bran is the nucleus of health and beauty. This fibrous food, rich in mineral content, does an important regulative work in the body, and no housekeeper who has the health of her family in her keeping, can afford to neglect it. 

On another page in this issue you will find an article by Dr. H. B. K. Willis in which he speaks about bran and stresses the body's need of it. I merely want to tell you here how you may use bran in cooking, bringing variety to your meals while you are storing up health and energy for the members of your household. 

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* ½ cup sugar 
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* 1½ cups flour 
* ½ teaspoon salt 
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* ½ cup molasses 
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Cream the shortening and sugar together. Add the egg and beat thoroughly. Next add the bran. Mix and sift the dry ingredients and add them to the creamed mixture alternately with the sour milk and molasses. Bake in a moderate oven from 30 to 40 minutes. 


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* ¼ teaspoon baking powder 
* {{frac|1|3}} teaspoon salt 
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* {{frac|2|3}} cup sugar 
* 1 egg 
* 2 tablespoons milk 
* 1¾ cups flour 
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* ¾ teaspoon cinnamon 
* ½ teaspoon cloves 
* ¼ teaspoon mace 
* ¼ teaspoon nutmeg 
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''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; I say truly, my sister; I never meant that.

''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; How very good-natured our Bindu Madhab is? His words are honey. When we hear his letters read, they ''rain like drops of nectar''. I never saw such love towards one's brother as his; and also his brother shows the greatest affection for him. When he hears the name of Bindu Madhab, his heart overflows with joy, and it becomes, as it were, expanded. Also, as he is, so our Saralota is, (''pressing Saralota's cheek'') Saralota is ''as honesty itself (Saralota)''. Have I not brought with me my huká? I see, that as I cannot remain without it for a moment, that is the first thing which I have forgotten to bring along with me.

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Aduri, will you just go and bring me some ashes of tobacco?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; Where shall I now seek for it?

''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; It is stuck on the thatched roof of the cook-room, on the right side of the steps leading into the room.

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; Then, let me bring the ladder from the threshing floor; else how can I reach to the roof?

''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; Very well.

''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; Why can she not understand our mother-in-law's word? Don't you understand what steps are, and what Dain&lt;ref&gt;This is a Bengalli term signifying sometimes ''right'' and sometimes ''a witch''.&lt;/ref&gt; signifies?

''Aduri''. &amp;nbsp; Why shall I become a [[w:Dayan (witch)|Dain]]; it is my fate. ''As soon as a poor woman becomes old and her teeth fall out''&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}
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''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; How very good-natured our Bindu Madhab is? His words are honey. When we hear his letters read, they ''rain like drops of nectar''. I never saw such love towards one's brother as his; and also his brother shows the greatest affection for him. When he hears the name of Bindu Madhab, his heart overflows with joy, and it becomes, as it were, expanded. Also, as he is, so our Saralota is, (''pressing Saralota's cheek'') Saralota is ''as honesty itself ([[wikt:सरलता|Saralota]])''. Have I not brought with me my huká? I see, that as I cannot remain without it for a moment, that is the first thing which I have forgotten to bring along with me.

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Aduri, will you just go and bring me some ashes of tobacco?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; Where shall I now seek for it?

''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; It is stuck on the thatched roof of the cook-room, on the right side of the steps leading into the room.

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; Then, let me bring the ladder from the threshing floor; else how can I reach to the roof?

''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; Very well.

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''Aduri''. &amp;nbsp; Why shall I become a [[w:Dayan (witch)|Dain]]; it is my fate. ''As soon as a poor woman becomes old and her teeth fall out''&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}
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“Issue strict orders that there is to be no slaughter; no one is to be killed who does not resist. We shall remove all of the ''Sovong's'' small arms and the bulk of her provisions, as well as the Vepajan prisoners, to the ''Sofal.”''

“And then what do you propose doing?” asked Gamfor.

“I am coming to that,” I replied, “but first I wish to ascertain the temper of the men aboard the ''Sofal''. You and Kamlot will inform the other officers of my plans insofar as I have ex­plained them; then assemble the original mem­bers of the Soldiers of Liberty and explain my intentions to them. When this has been done, instruct them to disseminate the information among the remainder of the ship’s company, re­porting to you the names of all those who do not receive the plan with favor. These we shall leave aboard the ''Sovong'' with any others who may elect to transfer to her. At the eleventh hour muster the men on the main deck. At that time I will explain my plans in detail.”

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“At daybreak we shall board and take the ''Sovong'',” I commenced. “You will receive your orders from your immediate officers, but I wish to emphasize one in particular—there is to be no unnecessary killing. After we have taken the ship we shall transfer to the ''Sofal'' such provisions, weapons, and prisoners as we wish to take with us. At this time, also, we shall transfer from the ''Sofal'' to the ''Sovong'' all of you who do not wish to remain on this ship under my command, as well as those whom I do not care to take with me,” and as I said this, I looked straight at Kodj and the malcontents sur­rounding him.

“I shall explain what I have in mind for the future, so that each of you may be able to de­termine between now and daybreak whether he
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“There will be excitement and adventure; there will be danger, too; and I want no cowards along, nor any trouble makers. There should be profits, for I am assured that richly laden Thorist ships constantly ply the known seas of Amtor; and I am informed that we can always find a ready market for such spoils of war as fall into our hands—and war it shall be, with the Soldiers of Liberty fighting the oppression and tyranny of Thorism.

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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

{{EOsection|1|title=Purpose}} The devastation of the January 2025 Los Angeles wildfires shocked the American people and highlighted the catastrophic consequences when State and local governments are unable to quickly respond to such disasters. In too many cases, including in California, a slow and inadequate response to wildfires is a direct result of reckless mismanagement and lack of preparedness. Wildfires threaten every region, yet many local government entities continue to disregard commonsense preventative measures. Firefighters across the country are forced to rely on outdated technology and face challenges in quickly responding to wildfires because of unnecessary regulation and bureaucracy.

The Federal Government can empower State and local leaders by streamlining Federal wildfire capabilities to improve their effectiveness and promoting commonsense, technology-enabled local strategies for land management and wildfire response and mitigation.

{{EOsection|2|title=Streamlining Federal Wildland Fire Governance}} Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture shall, to the maximum degree practicable and consistent with applicable law, consolidate their wildland fire programs to achieve the most efficient and effective use of wildland fire offices, coordinating bodies, programs, budgets, procurement processes, and research and, as necessary, recommend additional measures to advance this objective.

{{EOsection|3|title=Encouraging Local Wildfire Preparedness and Response}} {{EOsubsection|3|a}} Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall:

{{EOsubsection|3|a|i|content=expand and strengthen the use of partnerships, agreements, compacts, and mutual aid capabilities that empower Federal, State, local, tribal, and community-driven land management that reduces wildfire risk and improves wildfire response, including on public lands; and}}

{{EOsubsection|3|a|ii|content=develop and expand the use of other measures to incentivize responsible land management and wildfire prevention, mitigation, and response measures at the State and local levels.}}

{{EOsubsection|3|b}} Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture, in consultation with the Secretary of Commerce and the heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) represented at the National Interagency Fire Center, shall:

{{EOsubsection|3|b|i|content=develop a comprehensive technology roadmap, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), to increase wildfire firefighting capabilities at the State and local levels, including through artificial intelligence, data sharing, innovative modeling and mapping capabilities, and technology to identify wildland fire ignitions and weather forecasts to inform response and evacuation; and}}

{{EOsubsection/s|3|b|ii|content=promote the use of a risk-informed approach, as consistent with [[Executive Order 14239]] of March 18, 2025 (Achieving Efficiency Through State and Local Preparedness), to develop new policies that remove barriers to preventing and responding to wildfires, including through year-round}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{EOfooter}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Template:Wikt-lang</title>
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      <comment>Created page with &quot;&lt;includeonly&gt;{{#invoke:Wikt-lang|wiktlang|{{{1|}}}|{{{2|}}}|{{{3|}}}|i={{{italics|{{{italic|{{{i}}}}}}}}}}}&lt;/includeonly&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt; {{Documentation}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&quot;</comment>
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  <page>
    <title>Module:Wikt-lang</title>
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      <comment>Created page with &quot;require('strict') local m_data = mw.loadData(&quot;Module:Wikt-lang/data&quot;) local langData = m_data.languages or m_data  local p = {}  local function ifNotEmpty(value) 	if value == &quot;&quot; then 		return nil 	else 		return value 	end end  local function makeEntryName(word, languageCode) 	local data = langData[languageCode] 	local ugsub = mw.ustring.gsub 	word = tostring(word) 	if word == nil then 		error(&quot;The function makeEntryName requires a string argument&quot;) 	elseif word == &quot;&quot; the...&quot;</comment>
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      <text bytes="8108" sha1="drjcfnqx4p8o04pzuu8x9z3vf7y4t46" xml:space="preserve">require('strict')
local m_data = mw.loadData(&quot;Module:Wikt-lang/data&quot;)
local langData = m_data.languages or m_data

local p = {}

local function ifNotEmpty(value)
	if value == &quot;&quot; then
		return nil
	else
		return value
	end
end

local function makeEntryName(word, languageCode)
	local data = langData[languageCode]
	local ugsub = mw.ustring.gsub
	word = tostring(word)
	if word == nil then
		error(&quot;The function makeEntryName requires a string argument&quot;)
	elseif word == &quot;&quot; then
		return &quot;&quot;
	else
		-- Remove bold and italics, so that words that contain bolding or emphasis can be linked without piping.
		word = word:gsub(&quot;\'\'\'&quot;, &quot;&quot;)
		word = word:gsub(&quot;\'\'&quot;, &quot;&quot;)
		if data == nil then
			return word
		else
			local replacements = data and data[&quot;replacements&quot;]
			if replacements == nil then
				return word
			else
				-- Decompose so that the diacritics of characters such
				-- as á can be removed in one go.
				-- No need to compose at the end, because the MediaWiki software
				-- will handle that.
				if replacements.decompose then
					word = mw.ustring.toNFD(word)
					for i, from in ipairs(replacements.from) do
						word = ugsub(
							word,
							from,
							replacements.to and replacements.to[i] or &quot;&quot;)
					end
				else
					for regex, replacement in pairs(replacements) do
						word = ugsub(word, regex, replacement)
					end
				end
				return word
			end
		end
	end
end

local function fixScriptCode(firstLetter, threeLetters)
	return string.upper(firstLetter) .. string.lower(threeLetters)
end

local function getCodes(codes, text)
	local languageCode, scriptCode, invalidCode
	local errorText
	if codes == nil or codes == &quot;&quot; then
		errorText = 'no language or script code provided'
	elseif codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?$&quot;) or codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?%-%a%a%a%a$&quot;) then
		-- A three- or two-letter lowercase sequence at beginning of first parameter
		languageCode =
			codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?&quot;) and (
				codes:match(&quot;^(%l%l%l?)&quot;)
				or codes:match(&quot;^(%a%a%a?)&quot;)
					:gsub(&quot;(%a%a%a?)&quot;, string.lower, 1)
			)
		-- One uppercase and three lowercase letters at the end of the first parameter
		scriptCode =
			codes:find(&quot;%a%a%a%a$&quot;) and (
				codes:match(&quot;(%u%l%l%l)$&quot;)
				or gsub(
					codes:match(&quot;(%a%a%a%a)$&quot;),
					&quot;(%a)(%a%a%a)&quot;,
					fixScriptCode,
					1
				)
			)
	elseif codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?%-%a%a%a?$&quot;)
	or codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a%-%a%a%a%-%a%a%a$&quot;) then
		languageCode = codes
	
	-- Private-use subtag: x followed by one or more sequences of 1-8 lowercase
	-- letters separated by hyphens. This only allows for one sequence, as it is
	-- needed for proto-languages such as ine-x-proto (Proto-Indo-European).
	elseif codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?%-x%-%a%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?$&quot;) then
		languageCode, scriptCode =
			codes:match(&quot;^(%a%a%a%-x%-%a%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?%a?)%-?(.*)$&quot;)
		if not languageCode then
			errorText = '&lt;code&gt;'..codes..'&lt;/code&gt; is not a valid language or script code.'
		elseif scriptCode ~= &quot;&quot; and not scriptCode:find(&quot;%a%a%a%a&quot;) then
			errorText = '&lt;code&gt;'..scriptCode..'&lt;/code&gt; is not a valid script code.'
		else
			scriptCode = scriptCode:gsub(
				&quot;(%a)(%a%a%a)&quot;,
				fixScriptCode,
				1
			)
		end
	elseif codes:find(&quot;^%a%a%a?&quot;) then
		languageCode, invalidCode = codes:match(&quot;^(%a%a%a?)%-?(.*)&quot;)
		languageCode = string.lower(languageCode)
		errorText = '&lt;code&gt;'..invalidCode..'&lt;/code&gt; is not a valid script code.'
	elseif codes:find(&quot;%-?%a%a%a%a$&quot;) then
		invalidCode, scriptCode = codes:match(&quot;(.*)%-?(%a%a%a%a)$&quot;)
		scriptCode = gsub(
			scriptCode,
			&quot;(%a)(%a%a%a)&quot;,
			fixScriptCode
		)
		errorText = '&lt;code&gt;'..invalidCode..'&lt;/code&gt; is not a valid language code.'
	else
		errorText = '&lt;code&gt;'..codes..'&lt;/code&gt; is not a valid language or script code.'
	end
	if not scriptCode or scriptCode == &quot;&quot; then
		scriptCode = require(&quot;Module:Unicode data&quot;).is_Latin(text) and &quot;Latn&quot; or &quot;unknown&quot;
	end
	if errorText then
		errorText = ' &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: smaller&quot;&gt;[' .. errorText .. ']&lt;/span&gt;'
	else
		errorText = &quot;&quot;
	end
	languageCode = m_data.redirects[languageCode] or languageCode
	return languageCode, scriptCode, errorText
end

local function tag(text, languageCode, script, italics)
	local data = langData[languageCode]
	-- Use Wikipedia code if it has been given: for instance,
	-- Proto-Indo-European has the Wiktionary code &quot;ine-pro&quot; but the Wikipedia
	-- code &quot;ine-x-proto&quot;.
	languageCode = data and data.Wikipedia_code or languageCode
	
	local italicize = script == &quot;Latn&quot; and italics
	
	if not text then text = &quot;[text?]&quot; end
	
	local textDirectionMarkers = { &quot;&quot;, &quot;&quot;, &quot;&quot; }
	if data and data[&quot;direction&quot;] == &quot;rtl&quot; then
		textDirectionMarkers = { ' dir=&quot;rtl&quot;', '&amp;rlm;', '&amp;lrm;' }
	end
	
	local out = { textDirectionMarkers[2] }
	if italicize then
		table.insert(out, &quot;&lt;i lang=\&quot;&quot; .. languageCode .. &quot;\&quot;&quot; .. textDirectionMarkers[1] .. &quot;&gt;&quot; .. text .. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;)
	else
		table.insert(out, &quot;&lt;span lang=\&quot;&quot; .. languageCode .. &quot;\&quot;&quot; .. textDirectionMarkers[1] .. &quot;&gt;&quot; .. text .. &quot;&lt;/span&gt;&quot;)
	end
	table.insert(out, textDirectionMarkers[3])
	
	return table.concat(out)
end

local function linkToWiktionary(entry, linkText, languageCode)
	local data = langData[languageCode]
	local name
	if languageCode then
		if data and data.name then
			name = data.name
		else
			-- On other languages' wikis, use mw.getContentLanguage():getCode(),
			-- or replace 'en' with that wiki's language code.
			name = mw.language.fetchLanguageName(languageCode, 'en')
			if name == &quot;&quot; then
				error(&quot;Name for the language code &quot; .. (&quot;%q&quot;):format(languageCode or nil)
					.. &quot; could not be retrieved with mw.language.fetchLanguageName, &quot;
					.. &quot;so it should be added to [[Module:Wikt-lang/data]]&quot;)
			end
		end
		if entry:sub(1, 1) == &quot;*&quot; then
			if name ~= &quot;&quot; then
				entry = &quot;Reconstruction:&quot; .. name .. &quot;/&quot; .. entry:sub(2)
			else
				error(&quot;Language name is empty&quot;)
			end
		elseif data and data.type == &quot;reconstructed&quot; then
			mw.log(&quot;Reconstructed language without asterisk:&quot;, languageCode, name, entry)
			local frame = mw.getCurrentFrame()
			-- Track reconstructed entries with no asterisk by transcluding
			-- a nonexistent template. This technique is used in Wiktionary:
			-- see [[wikt:Module:debug]].
			-- [[Special:WhatLinksHere/tracking/wikt-lang/reconstructed with no asterisk]]
			pcall(frame.expandTemplate, frame,
				{ title = 'tracking/wikt-lang/reconstructed with no asterisk' })
			if name ~= &quot;&quot; then
				entry = &quot;Reconstruction:&quot; .. name .. &quot;/&quot; .. entry
			else
				error(&quot;Language name is empty&quot;)
			end
		elseif data and data.type == &quot;appendix&quot; then
			if name ~= &quot;&quot; then
				entry = &quot;Appendix:&quot; .. name .. &quot;/&quot; .. entry
			else
				error(&quot;Language name is empty&quot;)
			end
		end
		if entry and linkText then
			return &quot;[[wikt:&quot; .. entry .. &quot;#&quot; .. name .. &quot;|&quot; .. linkText .. &quot;]]&quot;
		else
			error(&quot;linkToWiktionary needs a Wiktionary entry or link text, or both&quot;)
		end
	else
		return &quot;[[wikt:&quot; .. entry .. &quot;|&quot; .. linkText .. &quot;]]&quot;
	end
end

function p.wiktlang(frame)
	local parent = frame:getParent()
	local args = parent.args[1] and parent.args or frame.args
	
	local codes = args[1] and mw.text.trim(args[1])
	local word1 = ifNotEmpty(args[2])
	local word2 = ifNotEmpty(args[3])
	
	if not args[2] or '' == args[2] then
		return '&lt;span style=&quot;color:#d33&quot;&gt;[text?] Parameter 2 is required&lt;/span&gt;';
	end
	
	local languageCode, scriptCode, errorText = getCodes(codes, word2 or word1)
	
	local italics = args.italics or args.i or args.italic
	italics = not (italics == &quot;n&quot; or italics == &quot;-&quot; or italics == &quot;no&quot;)
	
	local entry, linkText
	if word2 and word1 then
		entry = makeEntryName(word1, languageCode)
		linkText = word2
	elseif word1 then
		entry = makeEntryName(word1, languageCode)
		linkText = word1
	end
	
	local out
	if languageCode and entry and linkText then
		out = tag(linkToWiktionary(entry, linkText, languageCode), languageCode, scriptCode, italics)
	elseif entry and linkText then
		out = linkToWiktionary(entry, linkText)
	else
		out = '&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;[text?]&lt;/span&gt;'
	end
	
	if out and errorText then
		return out .. errorText
	else
		return errorText or error(&quot;The function wiktlang generated nothing&quot;)
	end
end

return p</text>
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  <page>
    <title>Module:Wikt-lang/data</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>15142772</id>
      <timestamp>2025-06-18T14:26:10Z</timestamp>
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      <comment>Created page with &quot;local U = mw.ustring.char  -- Diacritics, from the [[Combining Diacritical Marks]] block. local grave        = U(0x300) local acute        = U(0x301) local circumflex   = U(0x302) local tilde        = U(0x303) local macron       = U(0x304) local breve        = U(0x306) local dot          = U(0x307) local diaeresis    = U(0x308) local double_acute = U(0x30B) local caron        = U(0x30C) local double_grave = U(0x30F) local invbreve     = U(0x311) local dot_below    = U(0x...&quot;</comment>
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      <text bytes="16628" sha1="aqt2vc08mrhq4amlf54yks2646h86dz" xml:space="preserve">local U = mw.ustring.char

-- Diacritics, from the [[Combining Diacritical Marks]] block.
local grave        = U(0x300)
local acute        = U(0x301)
local circumflex   = U(0x302)
local tilde        = U(0x303)
local macron       = U(0x304)
local breve        = U(0x306)
local dot          = U(0x307)
local diaeresis    = U(0x308)
local double_acute = U(0x30B)
local caron        = U(0x30C)
local double_grave = U(0x30F)
local invbreve     = U(0x311)
local dot_below    = U(0x323)
local undertie     = U(0x35C)

--[[
	
	This is a table of Wiktionary language codes with data belonging to them.
	Name is the &quot;canonical name&quot; used on Wiktionary.
	Article is the Wikipedia article.
	Script is the ISO 15924 code.
]]
local data = {
	[&quot;languages&quot;] = {
		[&quot;aaq&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Penobscot&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ab&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Abkhaz&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;abe&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Abenaki&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;alg-pro&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Algonquian&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Algonquian language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ang&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old English&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = {&quot;Old English&quot;},
			-- Remove macrons, acutes, and overdots
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = { &quot;[&quot; .. macron .. acute .. dot .. &quot;]&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;ar&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Arabic language&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;ara&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Arabic language&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;arb&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Modern Standard Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Modern Standard Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;apc&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;North Levantine Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;North Levantine Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;ajp&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;South Levantine Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;South Levantine Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;arz&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Egyptian Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Egyptian Arabic&quot;,
			[&quot;direction&quot;] = &quot;rtl&quot;, -- Should be in the script data module.
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- ālif with wasla is replaced by ālif;
				[U(0x0671)] = U(0x0627),
				-- taṭwīl, fatḥatan, ḍammatan, kasratan,
				-- fatḥa, ḍamma, kasra,
				-- shadda, sukūn, and superscript (dagger) ālif are removed.
				[&quot;[&quot;..U(0x0640)..U(0x064B)..U(0x064C)..U(0x064D)
					..U(0x064E)..U(0x064F)..U(0x0650)
					..U(0x0651)..U(0x0652)..U(0x0670)..&quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;av&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Avar&quot;
		},
		[&quot;be&quot;] = {
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Belarusian language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = { [acute] = &quot;&quot;, },
		},
		[&quot;bn&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Bengali&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Bengali language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;bua&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Buryat&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;cel-pro&quot;] = {							-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Celtic&quot;,
			[&quot;Wikipedia_code&quot;] = &quot;cel-x-proto&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;cel-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Celtic&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;cel-bry-pro&quot;] = {						-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Brythonic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Common Brittonic&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
		},
	    [&quot;com&quot;] = {
	    	[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Comanche&quot;,
	    	[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Comanche language&quot;,
	    },
		[&quot;cu&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Church Slavonic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Old Church Slavonic&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;de&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;German&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;German language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;en&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;English&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;English language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;es&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Spanish&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Spanish language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;egy&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Egyptian&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;evn&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Evenki&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Evenki language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;fr&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;French&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;French language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;frm&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Middle French&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Middle French&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;frp&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Franco-Provençal&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ff&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Fula&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;gem-pro&quot;] = {							-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Germanic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Germanic language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
			[&quot;Wikipedia_code&quot;] = &quot;gem-x-proto&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;gem-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Germanic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Germanic language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
		},
		[&quot;gml&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Middle Low German&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;gmw-ecg&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;East Central German&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;gmw-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-West Germanic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-West Germanic language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
		},
		[&quot;gmq-x-gut&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Gutnish&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Gutnish&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;goh&quot;] = {
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = {
					&quot;[&quot; .. macron .. circumflex .. diaeresis .. &quot;]&quot;,
				},
			},
		},
		[&quot;got&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Gothic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Gothic language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				-- Latin to Gothic since people will not want to have to copy
				-- and paste Gothic letters in
				[&quot;[AÁaáĀā]&quot;] = &quot;𐌰&quot;,
				[&quot;[Bb]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌱&quot;,
				[&quot;[Gg]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌲&quot;,
				[&quot;[Dd]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌳&quot;,
				[&quot;[EeĒē]&quot;]   = &quot;𐌴&quot;,
				[&quot;[Qq]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌵&quot;,
				[&quot;[Zz]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌶&quot;,
				[&quot;[Hh]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌷&quot;,
				[&quot;[Þþ]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌸&quot;,
				[&quot;[IiÍí]&quot;]   = &quot;𐌹&quot;,
				[&quot;[Kk]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌺&quot;,
				[&quot;[Ll]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌻&quot;,
				[&quot;[Mm]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌼&quot;,
				[&quot;[Nn]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌽&quot;,
				[&quot;[Jj]&quot;]     = &quot;𐌾&quot;,		
				[&quot;[UuÚúŪū]&quot;] = &quot;𐌿&quot;,	
				[&quot;[Pp]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍀&quot;,		
				[&quot;[Rr]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍂&quot;,	
				[&quot;[Ss]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍃&quot;,	
				[&quot;[Tt]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍄&quot;,	
				[&quot;[WwYy]&quot;]   = &quot;𐍅&quot;,
				[&quot;[Ff]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍆&quot;,
				[&quot;[Xx]&quot;]     = &quot;𐍇&quot;,
				[&quot;[Ƕƕ]&quot;]    = &quot;𐍈&quot;, -- Not sure if &quot;hw&quot; and &quot;hv&quot; can safely be converted
				[&quot;[OoŌō]&quot;]   = &quot;𐍉&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;gsw&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Alemannic German&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;grc&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Ancient Greek&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Ancient Greek&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = {
					-- Replace variant letterforms with standard ones.
					&quot;ϐ&quot;, &quot;ϵ&quot;, &quot;ϑ&quot;, &quot;ϰ&quot;, &quot;ϱ&quot;, &quot;ϲ&quot;, &quot;ϕ&quot;,
					-- Remove macrons and breves.
					&quot;[&quot; .. macron .. breve .. undertie .. &quot;]&quot;
				},
				to   = {
					&quot;β&quot;, &quot;ε&quot;, &quot;θ&quot;, &quot;κ&quot;, &quot;ρ&quot;, &quot;σ&quot;, &quot;φ&quot;,
				}
			},
		},
		[&quot;grk-pro&quot;] = {							-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Hellenic&quot;,
			[&quot;Wikipedia_name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Greek&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Greek language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
			[&quot;Wikipedia_code&quot;] = &quot;grk-x-proto&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;grk-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Hellenic&quot;,
			[&quot;Wikipedia_name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Greek&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Greek language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
		},
		[&quot;grt&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Garo&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ha&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Hausa&quot;,
			-- remove tilde, grave, acute, macron, circumflex
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = { &quot;[&quot; .. grave .. circumflex .. macron .. acute .. tilde .. &quot;]&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;hi&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Hindi&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Hindi&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ilo&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Ilocano&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Ilocano language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ine-bsl-pro&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Balto-Slavic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Balto-Slavic language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ine-pro&quot;] = {							-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Indo-European&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Indo-European language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
			[&quot;Wikipedia_code&quot;] = &quot;ine-x-proto&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ine-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Indo-European&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Indo-European language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {},
		},
		[&quot;ja&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Japanese&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Japanese language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;jbo&quot;] = { -- Lojban
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;appendix&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ket&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Ket&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Ket language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ksk&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Kansa&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Kansa language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;la&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Latin&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Latin&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = { &quot;[&quot; .. macron .. breve .. diaeresis .. &quot;]&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;lt&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Lithuanian&quot;,
			-- remove acute, tilde, grave
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from = { &quot;[&quot; .. acute .. tilde .. grave .. &quot;]&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;mkh-mvi&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Middle Vietnamese&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;moe&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Cree&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;mul&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Translingual&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;nci&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Classical Nahuatl&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Classical Nahuatl&quot;,
			-- Remove macrons, acutes, circumflexes and graves
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				-- Remove macrons, acutes, circumflexes, graves, and saltillo;
				-- see [[Saltillo (linguistics)]].
				from = { &quot;[&quot; .. grave .. acute .. macron .. circumflex .. &quot;Ꞌꞌʻʼ'ʔ]&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;nds-de&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;German Low German&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;non&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Norse&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;non-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Norse&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;odt&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Dutch&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;oge&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Georgian&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;oj&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Ojibwe&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;orv&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old East Slavic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Old East Slavic&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[U(0x484)] = &quot;&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;osx&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Saxon&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;pt&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Portuguese&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Portuguese language&quot;,
			-- [&quot;scripts&quot;] = { &quot;Latn&quot; },
		},
		[&quot;pa&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Punjabi&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Punjabi language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;pgl&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Primitive Irish&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Primitive Irish&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;pis&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Pijin&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Pijin language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;poz-x-poly-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Nuclear Polynesian&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Polynesian language&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;rap&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Rapa Nui&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Rapa Nui language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ru&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Russian&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Russian language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = { [acute] = &quot;&quot;, },
		},
		[&quot;rw&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Rwanda-Rundi&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;se&quot;] = {
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[&quot;([đflmnŋrsšŧv])'%1&quot;] = &quot;%1%1&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;sem-pro&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Semitic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Semitic&quot;,
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;sh&quot;] = {
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Serbo-Croatian language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				from =  { &quot;([AaEeIiOoUuRrАаЕеИиОоУуРр])[&quot; .. double_grave
					.. grave .. invbreve .. acute .. macron .. tilde .. &quot;]&quot; },
				to   = { &quot;%1&quot; },
			},
		},
		[&quot;sl&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Slovene&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				decompose = true,
				-- remove tonal orthography
				from = {&quot;ł&quot;, &quot;[&quot; .. grave .. acute .. macron .. double_grave .. invbreve .. circumflex .. dot_below .. &quot;]&quot;},
				to = {&quot;l&quot;},
			},
		},
		[&quot;sla-pro&quot;] = {							-- Incorrect tag
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Slavic&quot;, -- also Common Slavic
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[&quot;[ÀÁÃĀȀȂ]&quot;] = &quot;A&quot;,
				[&quot;[àáãāȁȃ]&quot;] = &quot;a&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÈÉẼĒȄȆ]&quot;] = &quot;E&quot;,
				[&quot;[èéẽēȅȇ]&quot;] = &quot;e&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÌÍĨĪȈȊ]&quot;] = &quot;I&quot;,
				[&quot;[ìíĩīȉȋ]&quot;] = &quot;i&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÒÓÕŌȌȎŐ]&quot;] = &quot;O&quot;, 
				[&quot;[òóõōȍȏő]&quot;] = &quot;o&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÙÚŨŪȔȖŰ]&quot;] = &quot;U&quot;,
				[&quot;[ùúũūȕȗű]&quot;] = &quot;u&quot;,
				[&quot;[ỲÝỸȲ]&quot;] = &quot;Y&quot;,
				[&quot;[ỳýỹȳ]&quot;] = &quot;y&quot;,
				[&quot;Ǭ&quot;] = &quot;Ǫ&quot;,
				[&quot;ǭ&quot;] = &quot;ǫ&quot;,
				[&quot;[&quot; .. grave .. acute .. double_acute .. tilde .. macron .. double_grave .. invbreve .. &quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
				[&quot;ĭ&quot;] = &quot;ь&quot;,
				[&quot;ŭ&quot;] = &quot;ъ&quot;,
			},
			[&quot;Wikipedia_code&quot;] = &quot;sla-x-proto&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;sla-x-proto&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Proto-Slavic&quot;, -- also Common Slavic
			[&quot;type&quot;] = &quot;reconstructed&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[&quot;[ÀÁÃĀȀȂ]&quot;] = &quot;A&quot;,
				[&quot;[àáãāȁȃ]&quot;] = &quot;a&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÈÉẼĒȄȆ]&quot;] = &quot;E&quot;,
				[&quot;[èéẽēȅȇ]&quot;] = &quot;e&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÌÍĨĪȈȊ]&quot;] = &quot;I&quot;,
				[&quot;[ìíĩīȉȋ]&quot;] = &quot;i&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÒÓÕŌȌȎŐ]&quot;] = &quot;O&quot;, 
				[&quot;[òóõōȍȏő]&quot;] = &quot;o&quot;,
				[&quot;[ÙÚŨŪȔȖŰ]&quot;] = &quot;U&quot;,
				[&quot;[ùúũūȕȗű]&quot;] = &quot;u&quot;,
				[&quot;[ỲÝỸȲ]&quot;] = &quot;Y&quot;,
				[&quot;[ỳýỹȳ]&quot;] = &quot;y&quot;,
				[&quot;Ǭ&quot;] = &quot;Ǫ&quot;,
				[&quot;ǭ&quot;] = &quot;ǫ&quot;,
				[&quot;[&quot; .. grave .. acute .. double_acute .. tilde .. macron .. double_grave .. invbreve .. &quot;]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
				[&quot;ĭ&quot;] = &quot;ь&quot;,
				[&quot;ŭ&quot;] = &quot;ъ&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;tts&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Isan&quot;, -- also &quot;Northeastern Thai&quot;
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Isan language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;tzo&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Tzotzil&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Tzotzil language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;ug&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Uyghur&quot;, --also less commonly &quot;Uighur&quot;
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Uyghur language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;uk&quot;] = {
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Ukrainian language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = { [acute] = &quot;&quot;, }
		},
		[&quot;ur&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Urdu&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Urdu&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;xcl&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Armenian&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Classical Armenian&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[&quot;[՞՜՛՟]&quot;] = &quot;&quot;,
				[&quot;և&quot;] = &quot;եւ&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;xgf&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Tongva&quot;, -- not ISO name &quot;Gabrielino-Fernandeño&quot;
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Tongva language&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = {
				[&quot;['`ʔ]&quot;] = &quot;ʼ&quot;,
			},
		},
		[&quot;xlu&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Luwian&quot;, -- not ISO name &quot;Cuneiform Luwian&quot;
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Cuneiform Luwian&quot;
		},
		[&quot;xpq&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Mohegan-Pequot&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;xxt&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Tambora&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Tambora language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;xvn&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Vandalic&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Vandalic language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;yua&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Yucatec Maya&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Yucatec Maya language&quot;,
		},
		[&quot;zh&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Chinese&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Chinese language&quot;,
			-- [&quot;scripts&quot;] = { &quot;Hani&quot; },
		},
		[&quot;zle-ort&quot;] = {
			[&quot;name&quot;] = &quot;Old Ruthenian&quot;,
			[&quot;article&quot;] = &quot;Old Ruthenian&quot;,
			[&quot;replacements&quot;] = { [acute] = &quot;&quot;, },
		},
	},

-- Here, keys (for example, &quot;gem&quot;) are Wikipedia language codes used in
-- {{lang}}, and values (for example, &quot;gem-pro&quot;) are the equivalent Wiktionary
-- code.
-- Subtags are not currently supported.
	[&quot;redirects&quot;] = {
		[&quot;aae&quot;] = &quot;sq&quot;,
		[&quot;aiq&quot;] = &quot;fa&quot;,
		[&quot;aln&quot;] = &quot;sq&quot;,
		[&quot;als&quot;] = &quot;sq&quot;,
		[&quot;azb&quot;] = &quot;az&quot;,
		[&quot;azj&quot;] = &quot;az&quot;,
		[&quot;bgn&quot;] = &quot;bal&quot;,
		[&quot;bs&quot;] = &quot;sh&quot;,
		[&quot;bxr&quot;] = &quot;bua&quot;,
		[&quot;ciw&quot;] = &quot;oj&quot;,
		[&quot;cnr&quot;] = &quot;sh&quot;,
		[&quot;fil&quot;] = &quot;tl&quot;,
		[&quot;fuf&quot;] = &quot;ff&quot;,
		[&quot;gem&quot;] = &quot;gem-pro&quot;, -- Not correct, but is commonly used.
		[&quot;hak&quot;] = &quot;zh&quot;,
		[&quot;hbo&quot;] = &quot;he&quot;,
		[&quot;hr&quot;] = &quot;sh&quot;,
		[&quot;ine&quot;] = &quot;ine-pro&quot;, -- Not correct, but might be commonly used.
		[&quot;kjv&quot;] = &quot;sh&quot;,
		[&quot;nan&quot;] = &quot;zh&quot;,
		[&quot;prs&quot;] = &quot;fa&quot;,
		[&quot;rn&quot;] = &quot;rw&quot;,
		[&quot;sli&quot;] = &quot;gmw-ecg&quot;,
		[&quot;sr&quot;] = &quot;sh&quot;,
		[&quot;src&quot;] = &quot;sc&quot;,
		[&quot;sro&quot;] = &quot;sc&quot;,
		[&quot;tw&quot;] = &quot;ak&quot;,
		[&quot;wae&quot;] = &quot;gsw&quot;,
		[&quot;wep&quot;] = &quot;nds-de&quot;,
		[&quot;yue&quot;] = &quot;zh&quot;,
		[&quot;xno&quot;] = &quot;fro&quot;,
	},
}

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      <comment>Created page with &quot;{{Documentation subpage}} {{High-use}} {{tsh|wktl}} {{Lua|Module:Wikt-lang}} {{Language templates}} &lt;!-- Please place categories where indicated at the bottom of this page and interwikis at Wikidata (see [[Wikipedia:Wikidata]]) --&gt;  '''Template:Wikt-lang''' generates a link to the correct section of the corresponding [[Wiktionary]] entry by automatically determining the correct English Wiktionary entry by removing italics or bolding, and removing or replacing Diacritic...&quot;</comment>
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{{High-use}}
{{tsh|wktl}}
{{Lua|Module:Wikt-lang}}
{{Language templates}}
&lt;!-- Please place categories where indicated at the bottom of this page and interwikis at Wikidata (see [[Wikipedia:Wikidata]]) --&gt;

'''Template:Wikt-lang''' generates a link to the correct section of the corresponding [[Wiktionary]] entry by automatically determining the correct English Wiktionary entry by removing italics or bolding, and removing or replacing [[Diacritic|diacritical]] marks and letters that are not used in entry names on English Wiktionary.

It also adds italics for languages that use the Latin alphabet (see [[MOS:FOREIGNITALIC]]). Italics cannot be turned {{em|on}} for languages that use a non-Latin script, but they can be turned {{em|off}} by using the parameter {{para|i|-}}. This is useful in tables, where italics are often unnecessary.

The template will also link to the Wiktionary [[Wikt:Wiktionary:Reconstructed terms|''Reconstruction:'' namespace]], where entries on reconstructed languages are placed, or to the [[Wikt:Help:Appendices|''Appendix:'' namespace]], where some constructed languages have their entries (such as [[Lojban]]), if there is data for them in the module, [[Module:Wikt-lang]], at [[Module:Wikt-lang/data]].

== Usage ==
This template takes a language code and one or two words, and generates a link to the correct section of the corresponding Wiktionary entry. If two words are provided, it is like a [[Wikipedia:Piped link|piped link]]: the first word is the entry name, while the second serves as link text.

* {{Tlx|Wikt-lang|&lt;lang code&gt;|&lt;Wiktionary entry&gt;|&lt;Text displayed&gt;|i}}

The text will be italicized if the text consists of Latin letters or the language code includes the script code &lt;code&gt;Latn&lt;/code&gt;, unless italics are turned off with {{para|italics|-}} or {{para|i|-}}.

== Parameters ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Template parameters
|-
! scope=&quot;col&quot; | Parameter
! scope=&quot;col&quot; | Description
|-
! scope=&quot;row&quot; | 1
| A code identifying the language of the text, in one of the following forms:
* an [[ISO 639]] [[List of ISO 639-2 codes|language code]] (2 or 3 letters),
* an ISO 639 language code and 4-letter [[ISO 15924]] script code, separated by a hyphen,
* a [[wikt:Wiktionary:Languages|Wiktionary exceptional code#Language codes]] or
* a Wikipedia code, consisting of an ISO 639 language code, an &lt;code&gt;x&lt;/code&gt; and a private-use subtag, separated by hyphens, representing a language that hasn't been assigned a standard language subtag, such as &lt;code&gt;cel-x-proto&lt;/code&gt; ([[Proto-Celtic]]).
Region and variant subtags are not supported, as it is difficult to support both them and Wiktionary language tags that contain hyphens (such as &lt;code&gt;ine-pro&lt;/code&gt;).
|-
! scope=&quot;row&quot; | 2
| Entry to link to on Wiktionary.
|-
! scope=&quot;row&quot; | 3
| Optional. Text displayed, if different from the term being linked to.
|-
! scope=&quot;row&quot; | italic
| Optional. Use {{para|italic|no}} or {{para|italic|-}} to disable italicization of the text.
|}

===TemplateData===
{{Collapse top|title=[[Wikipedia:TemplateData|TemplateData]] documentation used by [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|VisualEditor]] and other tools}}
{{TemplateData header|noheader=1}}
&lt;templatedata&gt;
{
	&quot;params&quot;: {
		&quot;1&quot;: {
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Language code&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;line&quot;,
			&quot;required&quot;: true,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;ISO 639 language code (2 or 3 letters) representing which language the text is in&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;'en', 'zh', 'fr', 'enm', 'la', 'sco', 'es'&quot;
		},
		&quot;2&quot;: {
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Wiktionary entry&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;string&quot;,
			&quot;required&quot;: true,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;Entry to link to on Wiktionary&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;an apple a day keeps the doctor away&quot;
		},
		&quot;3&quot;: {
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Text displayed&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;string&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;Text displayed, if different from the term being linked to&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;an apple a day&quot;
		},
		&quot;italic&quot;: {
			&quot;aliases&quot;: [
				&quot;italics&quot;,
				&quot;i&quot;
			],
			&quot;label&quot;: &quot;Disable italics&quot;,
			&quot;type&quot;: &quot;string&quot;,
			&quot;description&quot;: &quot;Whether to not italicize the text&quot;,
			&quot;example&quot;: &quot;no&quot;
		}
	},
	&quot;format&quot;: &quot;inline&quot;
}
&lt;/templatedata&gt;
{{Collapse bottom}}

== Examples ==
* {{Tlx|Wikt-lang|en|language|languages}} → {{Wikt-lang|en|language|languages}}
* {{Tlx|Wikt-lang|ru|язы́к}} → {{Wikt-lang|ru|язы́к}}
* {{Tlx|Wikt-lang|la|Latīnus|italic{{=}}no}} → {{Wikt-lang|la|Latīnus|italic=no}}
* {{Tlx|Wikt-lang|la|Latīnus|i{{=}}-}} → {{Wikt-lang|la|Latīnus|i=-}}

==Help==
If you try to use this template and get an error message, but can't figure out how to fix it, please go to [[Module talk:Wikt-lang]] and post a message about it.

==See also==
* {{tl|Linktext}}
* {{tl|Lang}}

&lt;includeonly&gt;{{Sandbox other||
&lt;!-- Categories below this line, please; interwikis at Wikidata --&gt;
[[Category:Wiktionary link templates]]
[[Category:Wikipedia multilingual support templates]]
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      <text bytes="1798" sha1="a8vqr17gb3agnuk71i71vd37wh2pgoy" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Hrishikes&quot; /&gt;{{rh|20|NIL DARPAN, OR}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;''she is immediately called a Dain''. I shall speak of this to our mistress; am I become so old as to be called a Dain?

''Soirindri. &amp;nbsp; (Rising up)'' Youngest Bou, sit down, I am coming; to-day we shall hear the Betal of [[Author:Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar|Vidyeasagar]].
{{right|''(Soirindri goes away.)''|2em}}

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; That Sagar allows marriage to the widows; fie! fie! Are there not two parties to that? I am of the Ajah's&lt;ref&gt;The word Rajah is here pronounced in an odd form; and it has reference to those rajahs who were against widow marriage. As the word is pronounced by a woman of the lower class, it is spelt here incorrectly.&lt;/ref&gt; party.

''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; Aduri, did your husband love you well?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; O young Haldarni, do not raise that word of sorrow now, Even up to this day, when his face comes before my mind's eye, my heart, as it were, bursts with sorrow. He loved me very much. And he even wanted to give me a daughter-in-law. He even did not give me time to sleep. Whenever I felt drowsy, he said, &quot;O my love, are you sleeping.&quot;

''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; Did you call him by his name?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; Fie! fie! fie! The husband is one's Lord. Is it proper to call him by his name?

''Saralota.'' &amp;nbsp; Then, how did you call him?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; I used to say, &quot;O! do you hear me.&quot;

{{c|''Enter'' {{larger|{{sc|Soirindri}}}} ''again.''}}

''Soirindri.'' &amp;nbsp; Who has irritated this fool again?

''Aduri.'' &amp;nbsp; She was inquiring after my husband, therefore I was speaking with her.

''Soirindri. &amp;nbsp; (Laughing.)'' I never saw a greater fool than this our youngest Bou. While having so many subjects of talk, still you are exciting Aduri in order to hear from her about her husband.
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    <title>Module:Unicode data</title>
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      <text bytes="17348" sha1="mjlpfsjbp5i56rdblvo2oqvw7m5rz6e" xml:space="preserve">local p = {}

local floor = math.floor

local function errorf(level, ...)
	if type(level) == &quot;number&quot; then
		return error(string.format(...), level + 1)
	else -- level is actually the format string.
		return error(string.format(level, ...), 2)
	end
end

local function binary_range_search(codepoint, ranges)
	local low, mid, high
	low, high = 1, ranges.length or require &quot;Module:TableTools&quot;.length(ranges)
	while low &lt;= high do
		mid = floor((low + high) / 2)
		local range = ranges[mid]
		if codepoint &lt; range[1] then
			high = mid - 1
		elseif codepoint &lt;= range[2] then
			return range, mid
		else
			low = mid + 1
		end
	end
	return nil, mid
end
p.binary_range_search = binary_range_search

--[[
local function linear_range_search(codepoint, ranges)
	for i, range in ipairs(ranges) do
		if range[1] &lt;= codepoint and codepoint &lt;= range[2] then
			return range
		end
	end
end
--]]

-- Load a module by indexing &quot;loader&quot; with the name of the module minus the
-- &quot;Module:Unicode data/&quot; part. For instance, loader.blocks returns
-- [[Module:Unicode data/blocks]]. If a module cannot be loaded, false will be
-- returned.
local loader = setmetatable({}, {
	__index = function (self, key)
		local success, data = pcall(mw.loadData, &quot;Module:Unicode data/&quot; .. key)
		if not success then
			data = false
		end
		self[key] = data
		return data
	end
})

-- For the algorithm used to generate Hangul Syllable names,
-- see &quot;Hangul Syllable Name Generation&quot; in section 3.12 of the
-- Unicode Specification:
-- https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode11.0.0/ch03.pdf
local name_hooks = {
	{     0x00,     0x1F, &quot;&lt;control-%04X&gt;&quot; }, -- C0 control characters
	{     0x7F,     0x9F, &quot;&lt;control-%04X&gt;&quot; }, -- DEL and C1 control characters
	{   0x3400,   0x4DBF, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension A
	{   0x4E00,   0x9FFF, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph
	{   0xAC00,   0xD7A3, function (codepoint) -- Hangul Syllables
		local Hangul_data = loader.Hangul
		local syllable_index = codepoint - 0xAC00

		return (&quot;HANGUL SYLLABLE %s%s%s&quot;):format(
			Hangul_data.leads[floor(syllable_index / Hangul_data.final_count)],
			Hangul_data.vowels[floor((syllable_index % Hangul_data.final_count)
				/ Hangul_data.trail_count)],
			Hangul_data.trails[syllable_index % Hangul_data.trail_count]
		)
	end },
	-- High Surrogates, High Private Use Surrogates, Low Surrogates
	{   0xD800,   0xDFFF, &quot;&lt;surrogate-%04X&gt;&quot; },
	{   0xE000,   0xF8FF, &quot;&lt;private-use-%04X&gt;&quot; }, -- Private Use
	-- CJK Compatibility Ideographs
	{   0xF900,   0xFA6D, &quot;CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; },
	{   0xFA70,   0xFAD9, &quot;CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; },
	{  0x17000,  0x187F7, &quot;TANGUT IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- Tangut Ideograph
	{  0x18800,  0x18AFF, function (codepoint)
		return (&quot;TANGUT COMPONENT-%03d&quot;):format(codepoint - 0x187FF)
	end },
	{  0x18D00,  0x18D08, &quot;TANGUT IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- Tangut Ideograph Supplement
	{  0x1B170,  0x1B2FB, &quot;NUSHU CHARACTER-%04X&quot; }, -- Nushu
	{  0x20000,  0x2A6DF, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension B
	{  0x2A700,  0x2B739, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension C
	{  0x2B740,  0x2B81D, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension D
	{  0x2B820,  0x2CEA1, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension E
	{  0x2CEB0,  0x2EBE0, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension F
	-- CJK Compatibility Ideographs Supplement (Supplementary Ideographic Plane)
	{  0x2F800,  0x2FA1D, &quot;CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; },
	{  0xE0100,  0xE01EF, function (codepoint) -- Variation Selectors Supplement
		return (&quot;VARIATION SELECTOR-%d&quot;):format(codepoint - 0xE0100 + 17)
	end},
	{  0x30000,  0x3134A, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension G
	{  0x31350,  0x323AF, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension H
	{  0x2EBF0,  0x2EE5D, &quot;CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-%04X&quot; }, -- CJK Ideograph Extension I
	{  0xF0000,  0xFFFFD, &quot;&lt;private-use-%04X&gt;&quot; }, -- Plane 15 Private Use
	{ 0x100000, 0x10FFFD, &quot;&lt;private-use-%04X&gt;&quot; }  -- Plane 16 Private Use
}
name_hooks.length = #name_hooks

local name_range_cache

local function generate_name(data, codepoint)
	if type(data) == &quot;string&quot; then
		return data:format(codepoint)
	else
		return data(codepoint)
	end
end

--[[
-- Checks that the code point is a number and in range.
-- Does not check whether code point is an integer.
-- Not used
local function check_codepoint(funcName, argIdx, val)
	require 'libraryUtil'.checkType(funcName, argIdx, val, 'number')
	if codepoint &lt; 0 or 0x10FFFF &lt; codepoint then
		errorf(&quot;Codepoint %04X out of range&quot;, codepoint)
	end
end
--]]

function p.is_noncharacter(codepoint)
	-- U+FDD0-U+FDEF and all code points ending in FFFE or FFFF are Unassigned
	-- (Cn) and specifically noncharacters:

	-- https://www.unicode.org/faq/private_use.html#nonchar4
	return 0xFDD0 &lt;= codepoint and (codepoint &lt;= 0xFDEF
			or floor(codepoint % 0x10000) &gt;= 0xFFFE)
end

-- https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode11.0.0/ch04.pdf, section 4.8
function p.lookup_name(codepoint)
	if p.is_noncharacter(codepoint) then
		return (&quot;&lt;noncharacter-%04X&gt;&quot;):format(codepoint)
	end

	if name_range_cache -- Check if previously used &quot;name hook&quot; applies to this code point.
			and codepoint &gt;= name_range_cache[1]
			and codepoint &lt;= name_range_cache[2] then
		return generate_name(name_range_cache[3], codepoint)
	end
	
	local range = binary_range_search(codepoint, name_hooks)
	if range then
		name_range_cache = range
		return generate_name(range[3], codepoint)
	end

	local data = loader[('names/%03X'):format(codepoint / 0x1000)]
	
	if data and data[codepoint] then
		return data[codepoint]
	
	-- Unassigned (Cn) consists of noncharacters and reserved characters.
	-- The character has been established not to be a noncharacter,
	-- and if it were assigned, its name would already been retrieved,
	-- so it must be reserved.
	else
		return (&quot;&lt;reserved-%04X&gt;&quot;):format(codepoint)
	end
end

function p.lookup_image(codepoint)
	local data = loader[('images/%03X'):format(codepoint / 0x1000)]
	
	if data then
		return data[codepoint]
	end
end

local planes = {
	[ 0] = &quot;Basic Multilingual Plane&quot;;
	[ 1] = &quot;Supplementary Multilingual Plane&quot;;
	[ 2] = &quot;Supplementary Ideographic Plane&quot;;
	[ 3] = &quot;Tertiary Ideographic Plane&quot;;
	[14] = &quot;Supplementary Special-purpose Plane&quot;;
	[15] = &quot;Supplementary Private Use Area-A&quot;;
	[16] = &quot;Supplementary Private Use Area-B&quot;;
}

-- Load [[Module:Unicode data/blocks]] if needed and assign it to this variable.
local blocks

local function block_iter(blocks, i)
	i = i + 1
	local data = blocks[i]
	if data then
		 -- Unpack doesn't work on tables loaded with mw.loadData.
		return i, data[1], data[2], data[3]
	end
end

-- An ipairs-type iterator generator for the list of blocks.
function p.enum_blocks()
	local blocks = loader.blocks
	return block_iter, blocks, 0
end

function p.lookup_plane(codepoint)
	local i = floor(codepoint / 0x10000)
	return planes[i] or (&quot;Plane %u&quot;):format(i)
end

function p.lookup_block(codepoint)
	local blocks = loader.blocks
	local range = binary_range_search(codepoint, blocks)
	if range then
		return range[3]
	else
		return &quot;No Block&quot;
	end
end

function p.get_block_info(name)
	for i, block in ipairs(loader.blocks) do
		if block[3] == name then
			return block
		end
	end
end

function p.is_valid_pagename(pagename)
	local has_nonws = false

	for cp in mw.ustring.gcodepoint(pagename) do
		if (cp == 0x0023) -- #
		or (cp == 0x005B) -- [
		or (cp == 0x005D) -- ]
		or (cp == 0x007B) -- {
		or (cp == 0x007C) -- |
		or (cp == 0x007D) -- }
		or (cp == 0x180E) -- MONGOLIAN VOWEL SEPARATOR
		or ((cp &gt;= 0x2000) and (cp &lt;= 0x200A)) -- spaces in General Punctuation block
		or (cp == 0xFFFD) -- REPLACEMENT CHARACTER
		then
			return false
		end

		local printable, result = p.is_printable(cp)
		if not printable then
			return false
		end

		if result ~= &quot;space-separator&quot; then
			has_nonws = true
		end
	end

	return has_nonws
end

local function manual_unpack(what, from)
	if what[from + 1] == nil then
		return what[from]
	end
	
	local result = {}
	from = from or 1
	for i, item in ipairs(what) do
		if i &gt;= from then
			table.insert(result, item)
		end
	end
	return unpack(result)
end

local function compare_ranges(range1, range2)
	return range1[1] &lt; range2[1]
end

-- Creates a function to look up data in a module that contains &quot;singles&quot; (a
-- code point-to-data map) and &quot;ranges&quot; (an array containing arrays that contain
-- the low and high code points of a range and the data associated with that
-- range).
-- &quot;loader&quot; loads and returns the &quot;singles&quot; and &quot;ranges&quot; tables.
-- &quot;match_func&quot; is passed the code point and either the data or the &quot;dots&quot;, and
-- generates the final result of the function.
-- The varargs (&quot;dots&quot;) describes the default data to be returned if there wasn't
-- a match.
-- In case the function is used more than once, &quot;cache&quot; saves ranges that have
-- already been found to match, or a range whose data is the default if there
-- was no match.
local function memo_lookup(data_module_subpage, match_func, ...)
	local dots = { ... }
	local cache = {}
	local singles, ranges

	return function (codepoint)
		if not singles then
			local data_module = loader[data_module_subpage]
			singles, ranges = data_module.singles, data_module.ranges
		end

		if singles[codepoint] then
			return match_func(codepoint, singles[codepoint])
		end

		local range = binary_range_search(codepoint, cache)
		if range then
			return match_func(codepoint, manual_unpack(range, 3))
		end
		
		local range, index = binary_range_search(codepoint, ranges)
		if range then
			table.insert(cache, range)
			table.sort(cache, compare_ranges)
			return match_func(codepoint, manual_unpack(range, 3))
		end
		
		if ranges[index] then
			local dots_range
			if codepoint &gt; ranges[index][2] then
				dots_range = {
					ranges[index][2] + 1,
					ranges[index + 1] and ranges[index + 1][1] - 1 or 0x10FFFF,
					unpack(dots)
				}
			else -- codepoint &lt; range[index][1]
				dots_range = {
					ranges[index - 1] and ranges[index - 1][2] + 1 or 0,
					ranges[index][1] - 1,
					unpack(dots)
				}
			end
			table.sort(cache, compare_ranges)
		end
		
		return match_func(codepoint)
	end
end

-- Get a code point's combining class value in [[Module:Unicode data/combining]],
-- and return whether this value is not zero. Zero is assigned as the default
-- if the combining class value is not found in this data module.
-- That is, return true if character is combining, or false if it is not.
-- See https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/#Canonical_Combining_Class_Values for
-- more information.
p.is_combining = memo_lookup(
	&quot;combining&quot;,
	function (codepoint, combining_class)
		return combining_class and combining_class ~= 0 or false
	end,
	0)

function p.add_dotted_circle(str)
	return (mw.ustring.gsub(str, &quot;.&quot;,
		function(char)
			if p.is_combining(mw.ustring.codepoint(char)) then
				return '◌' .. char
			end
		end))
end

local lookup_control = memo_lookup(
	&quot;control&quot;,
	function (codepoint, ccc)
		return ccc or &quot;assigned&quot;
	end,
	&quot;assigned&quot;)
p.lookup_control = lookup_control

function p.is_assigned(codepoint)
	return lookup_control(codepoint) ~= &quot;unassigned&quot;
end

function p.is_printable(codepoint)
	local result = lookup_control(codepoint)
	return (result == &quot;assigned&quot;) or (result == &quot;space-separator&quot;), result
end

function p.is_whitespace(codepoint)
	local result = lookup_control(codepoint)
	return (result == &quot;space-separator&quot;), result
end

p.lookup_category = memo_lookup(
	&quot;category&quot;,
	function (codepoint, category)
		return category
	end,
	&quot;Cn&quot;)

local lookup_script = memo_lookup(
	&quot;scripts&quot;,
	function (codepoint, script_code)
		return script_code or 'Zzzz'
	end,
	&quot;Zzzz&quot;)
p.lookup_script = lookup_script

function p.get_best_script(str)
	-- Check type of argument, because mw.text.decode coerces numbers to strings!
	require &quot;libraryUtil&quot;.checkType(&quot;get_best_script&quot;, 1, str, &quot;string&quot;)
	
	-- Convert HTML character references (including named character references,
	-- or character entities) to characters.
	str = mw.text.decode(str, true)
	
	local scripts = {}
	for codepoint in mw.ustring.gcodepoint(str) do
		local script = lookup_script(codepoint)
		
		-- Ignore &quot;Inherited&quot;, &quot;Undetermined&quot;, or &quot;Uncoded&quot; scripts.
		if not (script == &quot;Zyyy&quot; or script == &quot;Zinh&quot; or script == &quot;Zzzz&quot;) then
			scripts[script] = true
		end
	end
	
	-- If scripts does not contain two or more keys,
	-- return first and only key (script code) in table.
	if not next(scripts, next(scripts)) then
		return next(scripts)
	end -- else return majority script, or else &quot;Zzzz&quot;?
end

function p.is_Latin(str)
	require &quot;libraryUtil&quot;.checkType(&quot;get_best_script&quot;, 1, str, &quot;string&quot;)
	str = mw.text.decode(str, true)
	
	-- Search for the leading bytes that introduce the UTF-8 encoding of the
	-- code points U+0340-U+10FFFF. If they are not found and there is at least
	-- one Latin-script character, the string counts as Latin, because the rest
	-- of the characters can only be Zyyy, Zinh, and Zzzz.
	-- The only scripts found below U+0370 (the first code point of the Greek
	-- and Coptic block) are Latn, Zyyy, Zinh, and Zzzz.
	-- See the codepage in the [[UTF-8]] article.
	if not str:find &quot;[\205-\244]&quot; then
		for codepoint in mw.ustring.gcodepoint(str) do
			if lookup_script(codepoint) == &quot;Latn&quot; then
				return true
			end
		end
	end
	
	local Latn = false
	local i = 0;																-- indexer for use in error messages
	
	for codepoint in mw.ustring.gcodepoint(str) do
		i = i + 1;																-- bump the indexer
		local script = lookup_script(codepoint)
		
		if script == &quot;Latn&quot; then
			Latn = true
		elseif not (script == &quot;Zyyy&quot; or script == &quot;Zinh&quot;
				or script == &quot;Zzzz&quot;) then
			return false, i														-- abandon as not Latn; identify the offending character's position
		end
	end
	
	return Latn, (not Latn and i) or nil										-- when &lt;Latn&gt; false, return offending charactor's position as second return value; nil else
end

-- Checks that a string contains only characters belonging to right-to-left
-- scripts, or characters of ignorable scripts.
function p.is_rtl(str)
	require &quot;libraryUtil&quot;.checkType(&quot;get_best_script&quot;, 1, str, &quot;string&quot;)
	str = mw.text.decode(str, true)
	
	-- Search for the leading bytes that introduce the UTF-8 encoding of the
	-- code points U+0580-U+10FFFF. If they are not found, the string can only
	-- have characters from a left-to-right script, because the first code point
	-- in a right-to-left script is U+0591, in the Hebrew block.
	if not str:find &quot;[\214-\244]&quot; then
		return false
	end
	
	local result = false
	local rtl = loader.scripts.rtl
	for codepoint in mw.ustring.gcodepoint(str) do
		local script = lookup_script(codepoint)
		
		if rtl[script] then
			result = true
		elseif not (script == &quot;Zyyy&quot; or script == &quot;Zinh&quot;
				or script == &quot;Zzzz&quot;) then
			return false
		end
	end
	
	return result
end


--[[--------------------------&lt; I S _ R T L _ F R A M E &gt;------------------------------------------------------

external entry from an {{#invoke:}} to determine if a string of text is rtl.  Strips html and html-like tags so
that those tags don't corrupt the is-rtl-is-not-rtl determination; this added for the cases where the rtl text
has &lt;br /&gt; tags.

]]

function p.is_rtl_frame (frame)
	local str = frame.args[1];													-- get the string from the {{#invoke:}} frame
	str = str:gsub ('%b&lt;&gt;', '');												-- strip any html and html-like tags
	return p.is_rtl (str);														-- return if whatever remains rtl; false else
end


local function get_codepoint(args, arg)
	local codepoint_string = args[arg]
		or errorf(2, &quot;Parameter %s is required&quot;, tostring(arg))
	local codepoint = tonumber(codepoint_string, 16)
		or errorf(2, &quot;Parameter %s is not a code point in hexadecimal base&quot;,
			tostring(arg))
	if not (0 &lt;= codepoint and codepoint &lt;= 0x10FFFF) then
		errorf(2, &quot;code point in parameter %s out of range&quot;, tostring(arg))
	end
	return codepoint
end

local function get_func(args, arg, prefix)
	local suffix = args[arg]
		or errorf(2, &quot;Parameter %s is required&quot;, tostring(arg))
	suffix = mw.text.trim(suffix)
	local func_name = prefix .. suffix
	local func = p[func_name]
		or errorf(2, &quot;There is no function '%s'&quot;, func_name)
	return func
end

-- This function allows any of the &quot;lookup&quot; functions to be invoked. The first
-- parameter is the word after &quot;lookup_&quot;; the second parameter is the code point
-- in hexadecimal base.
function p.lookup(frame)
	local func = get_func(frame.args, 1, &quot;lookup_&quot;)
	local codepoint = get_codepoint(frame.args, 2)
	local result = func(codepoint)
	if func == p.lookup_name then
		-- Prevent code point labels such as &lt;control-0000&gt; from being
		-- interpreted as HTML tags.
		result = result:gsub(&quot;&lt;&quot;, &quot;&amp;lt;&quot;)
	end
	return result
end

function p.is(frame)
	local func = get_func(frame.args, 1, &quot;is_&quot;)
	
	-- is_Latin and is_valid_pagename take strings.
	if func == p.is_Latin or func == p.is_valid_pagename or func == p.is_rtl then
		return (func(frame.args[2]))
	else -- The rest take code points.
		local codepoint = get_codepoint(frame.args, 2)
		return (func(codepoint)) -- Adjust to one result.
	end
end

function p.lookup_kCantonese(codepoint)
	local data = loader[('Unihan/kCantonese/%02X'):format(floor(codepoint / 0x1000))]
	if data then
		return data[codepoint]
	end
end

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We must anticipate our story a little in order to deal further with this truly wonderful language. Martin Harris, of whom more later, took an alleged copy of some of the original and of Smith's translation to New York and submitted them to the judgment of the well-known classical scholar, Prof. Charles Anthon. In order to be an impartial historian I place side by side the account as given, supposedly by Martin Harris, and printed in &quot;A Brief History of the Church,&quot; etc., page 28, and Prof. Anthon's own account of the interview. Anti-Mormons might al-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||29}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Being shown the characters, Prof. Charles Anthon, of Columbia College, stated, according to the account of Mr. Harris, that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. The Professor was then shown the untranslated characters, which he said were true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyric, and Arabic. He gave a certificate, addressed to the people of Palmyra, embodying the expressed assertions, and gave it to Mr. Harris, who folded it, placed it in his pocket, and was about to leave, when the Professor enquired how the young man learned that there were gold plates in the place where he had found them. {{'}}An angel of God revealed it to him,{{'}} was the farmer's reply. {{'}}Let me see that certificate,{{'}} said the astonished Professor. Mr. Harris complied, thinking the man desired to&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||30}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;''Rev. and Dear Sir'':—

&quot;I have often heard that the Mormons claimed me for an auxiliary, but as no one until the present time has ever requested from me a statement in writing, I have not deemed it worth while to say anything publicly on the subject. What I do know of the sect relates to some of their early movements, and, as the facts may amuse you, while they will furnish a satisfactory answer to the charge of my being a Mormon proselyte, I proceed to lay them before you in detail. Many years ago, the precise date I do not now recollect, a plain looking countryman called upon me with a letter from Dr. Samuel L. Mitchell, requesting me to examine and give my opinion upon a certain paper, marked with various characters, which the Doctor confessed he could not decipher, and which the bearer of the note was very anxious to have explained. A very brief examination of the paper convinced me&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||32}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;If what I have here written shall prove of any service in opening the eyes of some of their deluded followers to the real designs of those who profess to be the Apostles of Mormonism, it will afford me a satisfaction, equaled, I have no doubt, only by that which you yourself will feel on this subject.

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The process of translating the &quot;reformed Egyptian&quot; plates was simple though peculiar. It was all done with the Urim and Thummim spectacles, but it was instant death for any one but Joe to use them. Even when he put them on, the light became so dazzling that he was obliged to look through his hat. Moreover, when so engaged, no profane eyes were allowed to see him or the hat. Alone, behind a blanket stretched across the room, Joe looked into his hat and read the mystic words. David Whitmer thus describes the process; &quot;Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, drawing it closely round his face to exclude the light, and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something re-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||36}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Poor Martin Harris! He was the first scribe and so continued till 116 pages had been translated. Then Martin insisted that he must have the manuscript to show to his neighbors, who said that he was a fool. Reluctantly, and as it proved, wickedly, Joe yielded, and that night Mrs. Martin deposited the paper in the stove. She did not confess to the sin at once, and Joe and Martin were&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||37}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Repeated attempts were made by the wicked people of Palmyra and vicinity to steal the plates, or to have a good look at them. There is a story—quite generally believed but of course it cannot be true!—that a party of Palmyrans were taken into the room, or at least obtained entrance into it, and were shown a box within which rested the precious plates decently covered with a cloth. They were not satisfied, and with speech more vigorous than reverent, raised the cloth, and, behold, nothing but a brick was seen! Either Moroni had substituted the brick for the plates while they were talking, or else had anticipated their visit. Both explanations are given.

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During this time, John the Baptist appeared and ordained to the Aaronic priesthood Joseph Smith, Jr., and Oliver Cowdery, a Vermont school-teacher, well fitted to be second in this great fraud, and gave them the necessary instruction. Subsequently they each baptized the other, and then each ordained the other. Thus they secured proper credentials for their future work.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;am tempted, therefore, to say a word here regarding that supposed influence of the imagination which, from time immemorial down almost to the present day, has been generally believed to be exercised by one or other parent, but chiefly by the mother, upon the development of the offspring. Nor, as far as I can judge, has this belief yet alto- gether died out. But ‘which of us by taking thought can add one cubit to his stature?’ * or how, supposing that suc...</comment>
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which, from time immemorial down almost to the
present day, has been generally believed to be
exercised by one or other parent, but chiefly by
the mother, upon the development of the offspring.
Nor, as far as I can judge, has this belief yet alto-
gether died out. But ‘which of us by taking
thought can add one cubit to his stature?’ * or
how, supposing that such power existed, could it
be exercised, let us say, in the first place, by the
male, seeing that we now know how the spermatozoa are formed in developmental cells that go
through a gradual process of ripening and completion, not apparently much under the dominion
of the mind? Nor can we get more satisfaction
out of the opposite case, and show how maternal
influence can be supposed to operate. Is it while
the ovum is encased in the Graafian follicle, surrounded by the little bed of granules in which it
then lies? Or, next, while passing down the
Fallopian tube, when it may be compared to a
tolling stone, having scarcely even contact with the
structures of the mother? Or lastly, when, arrived

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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;in the uterus, it draws its supply of nutriment through the placenta? But the placenta has no nerves, and he would be a bold physiologist to declare that nervous impressions conld be conveyed by means of the general current of the blood. Nor do we get more satisfaction when we come to examine the several classes of cases In which this wn-‘scientific use of the imagination ° is supposed to be operative. Emotion, as well as accident, may undoubtedly cause...</comment>
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through the placenta? But the placenta has no
nerves, and he would be a bold physiologist to
declare that nervous impressions conld be conveyed by means of the general current of the
blood. Nor do we get more satisfaction when we
come to examine the several classes of cases In
which this wn-‘scientific use of the imagination °
is supposed to be operative. Emotion, as well
as accident, may undoubtedly cause premature
expulsion of the ovum, but that is not a true
exercise of the imagination. The broken bones
occasionally observed in the foetus, and formerly
connected with the witnessing of painful sights
during pregnancy, are now known to be caused by
spasmodic action of the uterus. The various
malformations that depend upon arrest of development, erratic as these may appear, are obedient:
to certain laws, for even in deformity a certain
order is preserved. And s0, also, of the ‘ marks,’
‘moles,’ and other defects that are alleged as
civing evidence of this remarkable power. None
seem to be in any way connected with mental
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About a year after the completion of the translation, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris, signed &quot;The Testimony of the Three Witnesses&quot; which is still printed in all copies of the Book of Mormon. The &quot;Revelation&quot; concerning it is given in Doctrines and Covenants, Sec. 17, where it is said, &quot;And it is by your faith that you shall obtain a view of them, even by that faith which was&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||48}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;sented chiefly to produce evil results. In whatever way we view the matter, it seems to elude our grasp. It is like the rainbow, which often appears so near, and yet, when we endeavour to approach it, bafiles pursuit—a pretty parti-coloured play of light, as unsubstantial as the mist upon which it depends for its existence (w).  Passing on, therefore, from these speculations, T proceed to subjects of a more practical kind.  The natural law of parentage i...</comment>
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our grasp. It is like the rainbow, which often
appears so near, and yet, when we endeavour to
approach it, bafiles pursuit—a pretty parti-coloured
play of light, as unsubstantial as the mist upon
which it depends for its existence (w).

Passing on, therefore, from these speculations,
T proceed to subjects of a more practical kind.

The natural law of parentage is sufficiently
represented in the popular notion that ‘ like
begets like ;’ that the child at its birth is only so
far dissimilar from the parent as to need but a
certain amount of growth and development to
inake the resemblance more or less perfect, at
least as regards the general characteristics of the
individual. And this seems to extend to special
peculiarities, which may be handed down from one
generation to another, and appear in the form of
certain characteristic or other natural endowments; or they may be exhibited in the shape of
various diseases, defects, or malformations, which
may have affected the parents possibly for several
generations. But in these cases it does not
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&quot;Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come, that we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken; and we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||49}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;offspring; und that, while some mbherit in this way, all do not. Among our poultry, some are courageous and pugnaciously inclined, and will sooner die than yield and flee from an adversary ; their descendants once or twice removed, however, unless they have come of equally well-bred parents, gradually lose this quality; according to the adage, “the brave are begotten by the brave.” In various other species of animals, and particularly in the human family...</comment>
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way, all do not. Among our poultry, some are
courageous and pugnaciously inclined, and will
sooner die than yield and flee from an adversary ;
their descendants once or twice removed, however,
unless they have come of equally well-bred
parents, gradually lose this quality; according to
the adage, “the brave are begotten by the brave.”
In various other species of animals, and particularly in the human family, a certain nobility of
race is observed ; numerous qualities, in fact, both
of mind and body, are derived by hereditary
descent. ‘Hyery fourth birth,” says Pliny, “the
mark of the Dacian family is repeated on the
arm.” Why may not the thoughts, opinions, and
manners now prevalent, many years hence return
again after an intermediate period of neglect?’
This disposition to atavism, or the reverting to
an ancestral type or pattern after it has been lost
or kept in abeyance through one or more successive generations, of which Harvey gives so clear
a Statement, has of late received great attention ;
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Dr. Prosper Lucas, has brought to light many
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Then follows the testimony of eight additional witnesses, and this spite of the fact that Doctrines and Covenants, Sec. 5, declares that &quot;to none else will I grant this power,&quot; that is, &quot;the power that they may behold and view these things as they are.&quot;

&quot;And Also the Testimony of Eight Witnesses. Be it known unto all the nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come, that Joseph Smith, Jr., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||51}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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read before the Royal Society so recently, that no
report has yet appeared of it in their Proceedings.
As far as T can ascertain, however, the object of
the author is the discussion of the question,
whether it be impossible to define the connection
between relatives in a way that should do justice
to the latent elements, which every creature inherits and may bequeath, but which give no sign
of their existence in its own person. This diffieulty, he considers, may be avoided by tracing the
intervals of descent from the origin of life in each
generation, and not from one adult to another.
He recognises three well-defined stages in each of
these intervals. Tirst, the ovum, in which all the
elements are confounded and no structure exists;
then the embryo and the adult, in both of which
they are separated into personal and latent.
Then, by tracing out the process by which each
stage in either of the hnes was derived from its
predecessor, he discovers the true relation of a
man to either of his parents, and this he shows
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Once more let the reader note that there is no affidavit, no date or place attached to this &quot;testimony.&quot; Further, no one familiar with the peculiar style of &quot;Doctrines and Covenants,&quot; will hesitate in determining the authorship of these two declarations.
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scends through five steps to the parental ovum, and
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parental person. The other—the personal line—
though of minor importance, is nearer and quite
direct, and it descends through three steps. As
an example, he takes brothers and sisters, whose
descent passes only through three parallel steps,
though it is derived from four variable sources,
which are the latent and personal contributions
of either parent.

Now, if there be any value in what has been
already said of the special attributes of the sperm-
cell and germ-cell, then, with reference to any
qualities that may be transmitted from parent to
offspring, so far as these can be conyeyed by any
material of communication, they can only be so
transmitted from the male through the sperm-cell,
and by parity of reason, though the case is here
not so simple, from the female through the gerin-
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{{di|L}}{{uc|ife’s}} angel half, sweet Sleep,
When, like the mermaid, thou
In all thy loveliness
Dost rise from out the deep
Where Life is foul to see—
Men wake to scheme and sin,
But thou dost keep them pure
In that sweet hour with thee.

The flower upon the hill,
Where caves and crags and peaks
Carry the thunder on
After the heavens are still,
Knows thee: as that cared flower
Within some sheltering wood,
And houses built by men,
And in my lady’s bower.

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But Age and Innocence
Dost thou, sweet Sleep, reward:
Thou givest rest to both,
To both art recompense.

Yet thou hast awful power
When thou art lying still
And breathing quietly!
Was it not such an hour
Dark Murder slunk away,
Fearing thy innocence
More than the watchfulness
Of men in armed array?

Thou makest War to cease
Awhile, and armies pause;
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Mary—The way to Christ must be as you have said—
: Past any need that holds one bound by love
: Of builded things and faith in ancient law,
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O beauty of the autumn days that die,
: O magic of the wind and shout of seas,
O lifting of the little wings that fly,
: O marvel of gay blossoms and the trees!
Join with the miracle of human hearts,
: The tender touching of all friendly hands,
Until the figured veil of Nature parts
: To show how near to flesh the spirit stands.
Come, love of life, and lift the gate that bars
: Man from his lost dominion of all things;
And let there be a going up to stars
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Don't forget to read over the list on page 134 before writing to this department.

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Eddie Quillan, born in Philadelphia, Pa., March 31, 1907. Five feet, six inches tall; weighs 140 pounds; black hair and brown eyes. For twelve years he appeared in vaudeville with his family. 

Kenneth Thomson, of &quot;The Broadway Melody,&quot; was born in Pittsburgh, Pa. He is five feet, eleven inches tall and has jet black hair and brown eyes. He entered the movies in 1926 and is married to Alden Gay. 

Dorothy Burgess, born in Los Angeles, Calif., March 4, 1907. Reddish brown hair, dark brown and weighs 112 pounds. Taken from the stage for the lead in &quot;In Old Arizona.&quot;

Carol Lombard, born in Fort Wayne, Ind., and christened Jane Peters. Five feet, two inches tall and has golden hair and blue eyes. Appeared on the stage for three years.
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{{sc|Billie Branman, New York City.}}—Helen Foster is twenty-three years old, five feet tall and weighs 102 pounds. Her ne.xt appearance will be in &quot;The Gold Diggers.&quot;

{{sc|L. McD., Pittsfield, Mass.}}—Nils Asther was born in Malmo, Sweden, Jan. 17, 1902. His next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot; Gary Cooper played opposite Colleen Moore in &quot;Lilac Time.&quot;

{{sc|Pat, Delavan, Wis.}}—John Boles is an American and is married. His latest picture is &quot;The Desert Song.&quot; His next will be &quot;Rio Rita.&quot; The &quot;X&quot; in Francis Bushman's name stands for Xavier. Simple, isn't it?

{{sc|J. H., No. Tiverton, R.I.}}—Doris Dawson was born in Goldfield, Nevada, April 16, 1909. She is five feet, one inch tall; weighs 103 pounds and has red hair and blue eyes. She uses her own name in pictures. Does the relationship check up now?

{{sc|Louise D. Johnson, Everett, Wash.}}—James Hall was born Oct. 22, 1900. His next picture will be &quot;Smiling Irish Eyes.&quot; Colleen Moore has the feminine lead.

{{sc|Mrs. F. S. M., Scranton, Pa.}}—It was Arthur Rankin who played the part of Nancy's boy friend in &quot;The Wolf of Wall Street.&quot;

{{sc|Jerry, Austin, Texas.}}—Anita Page was born in Flushing, Long Island, nineteen years ago. She is five feet, two inches tall; weighs 118 pounds and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her real name is Anita Pomares. Her latest pictures are &quot;The Broadway Melody&quot; and &quot;Our Modern Maidens.&quot; Mary Brian hails from Corsicana, Texas. Other stars from Texas are Joan Crawford, from San Antonio; Madge Bellamy, from Hillsboro; Sharon Lynn, from Weatherford; and Bessie Love, from Midland. 

{{sc|Bea, Elkhorn, W. Va.}}—The title music you refer to is &quot;The Wedding of the Painted Doll.&quot; You can purchase it at any music store. 

{{sc|C. C. C., Washington, D.C.}}—The young man you mean is Cornelius Keefe. He is six feet, one-half inch tall; weighs 165 pounds and has black hair and brown eyes. He hails from Boston, Mass., and has been in pictures since 1927. Did you see him in &quot;The Squall&quot;? 

{{sc|F. T., Memphis, Texas.}}—Any relation to Memphis, Tennessee? James Murray played opposite Joan Crawford in &quot;Rose Marie.&quot; He is twenty-seven years old, has light brown hair and brown eyes and hails from New York City. Do you still think we are trying to kid you? Of course John Gilbert is married to Ina Claire.

{{sc|A Reader of Photoplay, Montreal.}}—You are mistaken. Laura La Plante comes from St. Louis, Mo., and not from Ottawa. Nancy Carroll was educated in New York City.

{{sc|Scotty and Winnie, Springfield, Mass.}}—Don Alvarado and Bryant Washburn played with Constance Talmadge in &quot;Breakfast at Sunrise.&quot; Don played the part of 'Lussan'', and Bryant was known as ''The Marquis''. Has the argument been settled?

{{sc|Eugenia Arnold, Baltimore, Md.}}—Clara Bow is twenty-four years old and still single. Bessie Love and Lloyd Hughes played the leads in &quot;The Lost World,&quot; and Vilma Banky and Ronald Colman played the leads in &quot;The Dark Andel.&quot; Greta Garbo is not married.

{{sc|M. Hennessy, Dorchester, Mass.}}—Girls, you should stop the arguing during the hot weather. Audrey Ferris has auburn hair and brown eyes, Tully Marshall did not play in &quot;The Bellamy Trial.&quot; Now, I've settled both the arguments at once.

{{sc|R. T., Smyrna, Del.}}—Richard Arlen is about thirty years old and claims Charlottesville, Va., as his home town. John Darrow played the part of ''Verde'' with Jack Holt in &quot;Avalanche.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Moore, New York City.}}—Your mother wins. Louise Brooks did not talk in &quot;The Canary Murder Case.&quot; Margaret Livingston did the vocal doubling for her. Now it's mother's turn to cheer.

{{sc|Margaret Luepke, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—Your cousin has been misinforming you. I do not send out photographs of the stars. You will have to write direct to your favorites for them, and enclose twenty-five cents for each one. You will find a list of addresses elsewhere in this issue.

{{sc|Tiny, La Crosse, Wis.}}—Conrad Nagel was born March 16, 1897, in Keokuk, Iowa. He is married to Ruth Helms. His latest picture Ronald Colman was born is &quot;Dynamite.&quot; Ronald Colman was born Feb. 9, 1891, in Richmond, Surrey, England. His next picture will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot;

{{sc|Whoopee, Trenton, N.J.}}—Where did you get that name? William Haines is twenty-nine years old and hails from Staunton, Va. He is six feet tall, weighs 172 pounds, and uses his own name in pictures. You will find an interview with him printed in the October, 1926. issue of {{sc|Photoplay}}, which you can get by sending 25 cents to our office at 750 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.

{{sc|Ballard Trigg, Louisville, Ky.}}—Greta Garbo is twenty-three years old and was born in Stockholm, Sweden. Her next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot;
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Kenneth Thomson, of &quot;The Broadway Melody,&quot; was born in Pittsburgh, Pa. He is five feet, eleven inches tall and has jet black hair and brown eyes. He entered the movies in 1926 and is married to Alden Gay. 

Dorothy Burgess, born in Los Angeles, Calif., March 4, 1907. Reddish brown hair, dark brown and weighs 112 pounds. Taken from the stage for the lead in &quot;In Old Arizona.&quot;

Carol Lombard, born in Fort Wayne, Ind., and christened Jane Peters. Five feet, two inches tall and has golden hair and blue eyes. Appeared on the stage for three years.
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{{sc|L. McD., Pittsfield, Mass.}}—Nils Asther was born in Malmo, Sweden, Jan. 17, 1902. His next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot; Gary Cooper played opposite Colleen Moore in &quot;Lilac Time.&quot;

{{sc|Pat, Delavan, Wis.}}—John Boles is an American and is married. His latest picture is &quot;The Desert Song.&quot; His next will be &quot;Rio Rita.&quot; The &quot;X&quot; in Francis Bushman's name stands for Xavier. Simple, isn't it?

{{sc|J. H., No. Tiverton, R.I.}}—Doris Dawson was born in Goldfield, Nevada, April 16, 1909. She is five feet, one inch tall; weighs 103 pounds and has red hair and blue eyes. She uses her own name in pictures. Does the relationship check up now?

{{sc|Louise D. Johnson, Everett, Wash.}}—James Hall was born Oct. 22, 1900. His next picture will be &quot;Smiling Irish Eyes.&quot; Colleen Moore has the feminine lead.

{{sc|Mrs. F. S. M., Scranton, Pa.}}—It was Arthur Rankin who played the part of Nancy's boy friend in &quot;The Wolf of Wall Street.&quot;

{{sc|Jerry, Austin, Texas.}}—Anita Page was born in Flushing, Long Island, nineteen years ago. She is five feet, two inches tall; weighs 118 pounds and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her real name is Anita Pomares. Her latest pictures are &quot;The Broadway Melody&quot; and &quot;Our Modern Maidens.&quot; Mary Brian hails from Corsicana, Texas. Other stars from Texas are Joan Crawford, from San Antonio; Madge Bellamy, from Hillsboro; Sharon Lynn, from Weatherford; and Bessie Love, from Midland. 

{{sc|Bea, Elkhorn, W. Va.}}—The title music you refer to is &quot;The Wedding of the Painted Doll.&quot; You can purchase it at any music store. 

{{sc|C. C. C., Washington, D.C.}}—The young man you mean is Cornelius Keefe. He is six feet, one-half inch tall; weighs 165 pounds and has black hair and brown eyes. He hails from Boston, Mass., and has been in pictures since 1927. Did you see him in &quot;The Squall&quot;? 

{{sc|F. T., Memphis, Texas.}}—Any relation to Memphis, Tennessee? James Murray played opposite Joan Crawford in &quot;Rose Marie.&quot; He is twenty-seven years old, has light brown hair and brown eyes and hails from New York City. Do you still think we are trying to kid you? Of course John Gilbert is married to Ina Claire.

{{sc|A Reader of Photoplay, Montreal.}}—You are mistaken. Laura La Plante comes from St. Louis, Mo., and not from Ottawa. Nancy Carroll was educated in New York City.

{{sc|Scotty and Winnie, Springfield, Mass.}}—Don Alvarado and Bryant Washburn played with Constance Talmadge in &quot;Breakfast at Sunrise.&quot; Don played the part of 'Lussan'', and Bryant was known as ''The Marquis''. Has the argument been settled?

{{sc|Eugenia Arnold, Baltimore, Md.}}—Clara Bow is twenty-four years old and still single. Bessie Love and Lloyd Hughes played the leads in &quot;The Lost World,&quot; and Vilma Banky and Ronald Colman played the leads in &quot;The Dark Andel.&quot; Greta Garbo is not married.

{{sc|M. Hennessy, Dorchester, Mass.}}—Girls, you should stop the arguing during the hot weather. Audrey Ferris has auburn hair and brown eyes, Tully Marshall did not play in &quot;The Bellamy Trial.&quot; Now, I've settled both the arguments at once.

{{sc|R. T., Smyrna, Del.}}—Richard Arlen is about thirty years old and claims Charlottesville, Va., as his home town. John Darrow played the part of ''Verde'' with Jack Holt in &quot;Avalanche.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Moore, New York City.}}—Your mother wins. Louise Brooks did not talk in &quot;The Canary Murder Case.&quot; Margaret Livingston did the vocal doubling for her. Now it's mother's turn to cheer.

{{sc|Margaret Luepke, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—Your cousin has been misinforming you. I do not send out photographs of the stars. You will have to write direct to your favorites for them, and enclose twenty-five cents for each one. You will find a list of addresses elsewhere in this issue.

{{sc|Tiny, La Crosse, Wis.}}—Conrad Nagel was born March 16, 1897, in Keokuk, Iowa. He is married to Ruth Helms. His latest picture Ronald Colman was born is &quot;Dynamite.&quot; Ronald Colman was born Feb. 9, 1891, in Richmond, Surrey, England. His next picture will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot;

{{sc|Whoopee, Trenton, N.J.}}—Where did you get that name? William Haines is twenty-nine years old and hails from Staunton, Va. He is six feet tall, weighs 172 pounds, and uses his own name in pictures. You will find an interview with him printed in the October, 1926. issue of {{sc|Photoplay}}, which you can get by sending 25 cents to our office at 750 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.

{{sc|Ballard Trigg, Louisville, Ky.}}—Greta Garbo is twenty-three years old and was born in Stockholm, Sweden. Her next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot;
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Eddie Quillan, born in Philadelphia, Pa., March 31, 1907. Five feet, six inches tall; weighs 140 pounds; black hair and brown eyes. For twelve years he appeared in vaudeville with his family. 

Kenneth Thomson, of &quot;The Broadway Melody,&quot; was born in Pittsburgh, Pa. He is five feet, eleven inches tall and has jet black hair and brown eyes. He entered the movies in 1926 and is married to Alden Gay. 

Dorothy Burgess, born in Los Angeles, Calif., March 4, 1907. Reddish brown hair, dark brown and weighs 112 pounds. Taken from the stage for the lead in &quot;In Old Arizona.&quot;

Carol Lombard, born in Fort Wayne, Ind., and christened Jane Peters. Five feet, two inches tall and has golden hair and blue eyes. Appeared on the stage for three years.
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{{sc|L. McD., Pittsfield, Mass.}}—Nils Asther was born in Malmo, Sweden, Jan. 17, 1902. His next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot; Gary Cooper played opposite Colleen Moore in &quot;Lilac Time.&quot;

{{sc|Pat, Delavan, Wis.}}—John Boles is an American and is married. His latest picture is &quot;The Desert Song.&quot; His next will be &quot;Rio Rita.&quot; The &quot;X&quot; in Francis Bushman's name stands for Xavier. Simple, isn't it?

{{sc|J. H., No. Tiverton, R.I.}}—Doris Dawson was born in Goldfield, Nevada, April 16, 1909. She is five feet, one inch tall; weighs 103 pounds and has red hair and blue eyes. She uses her own name in pictures. Does the relationship check up now?

{{sc|Louise D. Johnson, Everett, Wash.}}—James Hall was born Oct. 22, 1900. His next picture will be &quot;Smiling Irish Eyes.&quot; Colleen Moore has the feminine lead.

{{sc|Mrs. F. S. M., Scranton, Pa.}}—It was Arthur Rankin who played the part of Nancy's boy friend in &quot;The Wolf of Wall Street.&quot;

{{sc|Jerry, Austin, Texas.}}—Anita Page was born in Flushing, Long Island, nineteen years ago. She is five feet, two inches tall; weighs 118 pounds and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her real name is Anita Pomares. Her latest pictures are &quot;The Broadway Melody&quot; and &quot;Our Modern Maidens.&quot; Mary Brian hails from Corsicana, Texas. Other stars from Texas are Joan Crawford, from San Antonio; Madge Bellamy, from Hillsboro; Sharon Lynn, from Weatherford; and Bessie Love, from Midland. 

{{sc|Bea, Elkhorn, W. Va.}}—The title music you refer to is &quot;The Wedding of the Painted Doll.&quot; You can purchase it at any music store. 

{{sc|C. C. C., Washington, D.C.}}—The young man you mean is Cornelius Keefe. He is six feet, one-half inch tall; weighs 165 pounds and has black hair and brown eyes. He hails from Boston, Mass., and has been in pictures since 1927. Did you see him in &quot;The Squall&quot;? 

{{sc|F. T., Memphis, Texas.}}—Any relation to Memphis, Tennessee? James Murray played opposite Joan Crawford in &quot;Rose Marie.&quot; He is twenty-seven years old, has light brown hair and brown eyes and hails from New York City. Do you still think we are trying to kid you? Of course John Gilbert is married to Ina Claire.

{{sc|A Reader of Photoplay, Montreal.}}—You are mistaken. Laura La Plante comes from St. Louis, Mo., and not from Ottawa. Nancy Carroll was educated in New York City.

{{sc|Scotty and Winnie, Springfield, Mass.}}—Don Alvarado and Bryant Washburn played with Constance Talmadge in &quot;Breakfast at Sunrise.&quot; Don played the part of 'Lussan'', and Bryant was known as ''The Marquis''. Has the argument been settled?

{{sc|Eugenia Arnold, Baltimore, Md.}}—Clara Bow is twenty-four years old and still single. Bessie Love and Lloyd Hughes played the leads in &quot;The Lost World,&quot; and Vilma Banky and Ronald Colman played the leads in &quot;The Dark Andel.&quot; Greta Garbo is not married.

{{sc|M. Hennessy, Dorchester, Mass.}}—Girls, you should stop the arguing during the hot weather. Audrey Ferris has auburn hair and brown eyes, Tully Marshall did not play in &quot;The Bellamy Trial.&quot; Now, I've settled both the arguments at once.

{{sc|R. T., Smyrna, Del.}}—Richard Arlen is about thirty years old and claims Charlottesville, Va., as his home town. John Darrow played the part of ''Verde'' with Jack Holt in &quot;Avalanche.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Moore, New York City.}}—Your mother wins. Louise Brooks did not talk in &quot;The Canary Murder Case.&quot; Margaret Livingston did the vocal doubling for her. Now it's mother's turn to cheer.

{{sc|Margaret Luepke, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—Your cousin has been misinforming you. I do not send out photographs of the stars. You will have to write direct to your favorites for them, and enclose twenty-five cents for each one. You will find a list of addresses elsewhere in this issue.

{{sc|Tiny, La Crosse, Wis.}}—Conrad Nagel was born March 16, 1897, in Keokuk, Iowa. He is married to Ruth Helms. His latest picture Ronald Colman was born is &quot;Dynamite.&quot; Ronald Colman was born Feb. 9, 1891, in Richmond, Surrey, England. His next picture will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot;

{{sc|Whoopee, Trenton, N.J.}}—Where did you get that name? William Haines is twenty-nine years old and hails from Staunton, Va. He is six feet tall, weighs 172 pounds, and uses his own name in pictures. You will find an interview with him printed in the October, 1926. issue of {{sc|Photoplay}}, which you can get by sending 25 cents to our office at 750 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.

{{sc|Ballard Trigg, Louisville, Ky.}}—Greta Garbo is twenty-three years old and was born in Stockholm, Sweden. Her next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot;
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{{di|P}}HOTOPLAY is printing a list of studio addresses with the names of the stars located at each one. 

Don't forget to read over the list on page 134 before writing to this department.

In writing to the stars for photographs {{sc|Photoplay}} advises you to enclose twenty-five cents, to cover the cost of the picture and postage. The stars, who receive hundreds of such requests, cannot afford to comply with them unless you do your share.
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{{di|T}}HIS month we have a few more short biographies for the fan scrap books.

Eddie Quillan, born in Philadelphia, Pa., March 31, 1907. Five feet, six inches tall; weighs 140 pounds; black hair and brown eyes. For twelve years he appeared in vaudeville with his family. 

Kenneth Thomson, of &quot;The Broadway Melody,&quot; was born in Pittsburgh, Pa. He is five feet, eleven inches tall and has jet black hair and brown eyes. He entered the movies in 1926 and is married to Alden Gay. 

Dorothy Burgess, born in Los Angeles, Calif., March 4, 1907. Reddish brown hair, dark brown and weighs 112 pounds. Taken from the stage for the lead in &quot;In Old Arizona.&quot;

Carol Lombard, born in Fort Wayne, Ind., and christened Jane Peters. Five feet, two inches tall and has golden hair and blue eyes. Appeared on the stage for three years.
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{{sc|L. McD., Pittsfield, Mass.}}—Nils Asther was born in Malmo, Sweden, Jan. 17, 1902. His next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot; Gary Cooper played opposite Colleen Moore in &quot;Lilac Time.&quot;

{{sc|Pat, Delavan, Wis.}}—John Boles is an American and is married. His latest picture is &quot;The Desert Song.&quot; His next will be &quot;Rio Rita.&quot; The &quot;X&quot; in Francis Bushman's name stands for Xavier. Simple, isn't it?

{{sc|J. H., No. Tiverton, R.I.}}—Doris Dawson was born in Goldfield, Nevada, April 16, 1909. She is five feet, one inch tall; weighs 103 pounds and has red hair and blue eyes. She uses her own name in pictures. Does the relationship check up now?

{{sc|Louise D. Johnson, Everett, Wash.}}—James Hall was born Oct. 22, 1900. His next picture will be &quot;Smiling Irish Eyes.&quot; Colleen Moore has the feminine lead.

{{sc|Mrs. F. S. M., Scranton, Pa.}}—It was Arthur Rankin who played the part of Nancy's boy friend in &quot;The Wolf of Wall Street.&quot;

{{sc|Jerry, Austin, Texas.}}—Anita Page was born in Flushing, Long Island, nineteen years ago. She is five feet, two inches tall; weighs 118 pounds and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her real name is Anita Pomares. Her latest pictures are &quot;The Broadway Melody&quot; and &quot;Our Modern Maidens.&quot; Mary Brian hails from Corsicana, Texas. Other stars from Texas are Joan Crawford, from San Antonio; Madge Bellamy, from Hillsboro; Sharon Lynn, from Weatherford; and Bessie Love, from Midland. 

{{sc|Bea, Elkhorn, W. Va.}}—The title music you refer to is &quot;The Wedding of the Painted Doll.&quot; You can purchase it at any music store. 

{{sc|C. C. C., Washington, D.C.}}—The young man you mean is Cornelius Keefe. He is six feet, one-half inch tall; weighs 165 pounds and has black hair and brown eyes. He hails from Boston, Mass., and has been in pictures since 1927. Did you see him in &quot;The Squall&quot;? 

{{sc|F. T., Memphis, Texas.}}—Any relation to Memphis, Tennessee? James Murray played opposite Joan Crawford in &quot;Rose Marie.&quot; He is twenty-seven years old, has light brown hair and brown eyes and hails from New York City. Do you still think we are trying to kid you? Of course John Gilbert is married to Ina Claire.

{{sc|A Reader of Photoplay, Montreal.}}—You are mistaken. Laura La Plante comes from St. Louis, Mo., and not from Ottawa. Nancy Carroll was educated in New York City.

{{sc|Scotty and Winnie, Springfield, Mass.}}—Don Alvarado and Bryant Washburn played with Constance Talmadge in &quot;Breakfast at Sunrise.&quot; Don played the part of ''Lussan'', and Bryant was known as ''The Marquis''. Has the argument been settled?

{{sc|Eugenia Arnold, Baltimore, Md.}}—Clara Bow is twenty-four years old and still single. Bessie Love and Lloyd Hughes played the leads in &quot;The Lost World,&quot; and Vilma Banky and Ronald Colman played the leads in &quot;The Dark Andel.&quot; Greta Garbo is not married.

{{sc|M. Hennessy, Dorchester, Mass.}}—Girls, you should stop the arguing during the hot weather. Audrey Ferris has auburn hair and brown eyes, Tully Marshall did not play in &quot;The Bellamy Trial.&quot; Now, I've settled both the arguments at once.

{{sc|R. T., Smyrna, Del.}}—Richard Arlen is about thirty years old and claims Charlottesville, Va., as his home town. John Darrow played the part of ''Verde'' with Jack Holt in &quot;Avalanche.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Moore, New York City.}}—Your mother wins. Louise Brooks did not talk in &quot;The Canary Murder Case.&quot; Margaret Livingston did the vocal doubling for her. Now it's mother's turn to cheer.

{{sc|Margaret Luepke, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—Your cousin has been misinforming you. I do not send out photographs of the stars. You will have to write direct to your favorites for them, and enclose twenty-five cents for each one. You will find a list of addresses elsewhere in this issue.

{{sc|Tiny, La Crosse, Wis.}}—Conrad Nagel was born March 16, 1897, in Keokuk, Iowa. He is married to Ruth Helms. His latest picture Ronald Colman was born is &quot;Dynamite.&quot; Ronald Colman was born Feb. 9, 1891, in Richmond, Surrey, England. His next picture will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot;

{{sc|Whoopee, Trenton, N.J.}}—Where did you get that name? William Haines is twenty-nine years old and hails from Staunton, Va. He is six feet tall, weighs 172 pounds, and uses his own name in pictures. You will find an interview with him printed in the October, 1926. issue of {{sc|Photoplay}}, which you can get by sending 25 cents to our office at 750 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.

{{sc|Ballard Trigg, Louisville, Ky.}}—Greta Garbo is twenty-three years old and was born in Stockholm, Sweden. Her next picture will be &quot;The Single Standard.&quot;
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{{ppoem|end=stanza|
Something is born in me to-day—
A thought of the world and the world’s way.
The world is spun
Out of the substance of the sun.

The sun is a silk cocoon
With a bit of it broken—that’s the moon;
And a Spinner stands
Letting the thread run through her hands.

The zodiac is her spinning-wheel,
And the thread is wound on a pinioned reel
Held by Venus and by Mars,
As it whirls in a belt of many stars.

The Spinner dreams while the wheel turns round.
Her dreams come true as the thread is wound.
Into the thread her dreams are spun
Out of the substance of the sun.

And of those dreams that all come true,
Give me a sky of April, blue
As this bit of a broken shell
Found last summer where it fell}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|—70—}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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^ That an animal is a machine, is a proposition neither 

correctly true nor wholly false I contend that 

there is a mechanism in animals ; that this mechanism 
is as properly such, as it is in machines made by art ; 
that this mechanism is intelligible and certain; that it 
is not the less so because it often begins and terminates 
with something which is not mechanical; that wherever 
it is intelligible and certain, it demonstrates intention 
and contrivance, as well in the works of nature as in 
those of art ; and that it is the best demonstration which 
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from these premises if they be admitted as sound, 
namely, that there must have existed &quot; at some time, and 
in some place, an artifi&gt;cer'* who formed the animal 
mechanism after much the same mental processes of 
observation, endeavour, successful contrivance, and after 
a not wholly unlike succession of bodily actions, as 
those with which a watchmaker has made a watch. 
Otherwise the conclusion is impotent, and the whole 
argument becomes a mere juggle of words. 

&quot; Now, supposing or admitting,&quot; continues Paley, &quot;that 
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^r ^^ ^^r 

^ That an animal is a machine, is a proposition neither 

correctly true nor wholly false I contend that 

there is a mechanism in animals ; that this mechanism is as properly such, as it is in machines made by art; that this mechanism is intelligible and certain; that it is not the less so because it often begins and terminates with something which is not mechanical; that wherever it is intelligible and certain, it demonstrates intention and contrivance, as well in the works of nature as in those of art ; and that it is the best demonstration which either can aflford.&quot; t 

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namely, that there must have existed &quot; at some time, and 
in some place, an artifi&gt;cer'* who formed the animal 
mechanism after much the same mental processes of 
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^r ^^ ^^r 

^ That an animal is a machine, is a proposition neither 

correctly true nor wholly false I contend that 

there is a mechanism in animals ; that this mechanism is as properly such, as it is in machines made by art; that this mechanism is intelligible and certain; that it is not the less so because it often begins and terminates with something which is not mechanical; that wherever it is intelligible and certain, it demonstrates intention and contrivance, as well in the works of nature as in those of art ; and that it is the best demonstration which either can aflford.&quot; t 

There is only one legitimate inference deducible from these premises if they be admitted as sound, namely, that there must have existed &quot; at some time, and in some place, an artifi&gt;cer'* who formed the animal mechanism after much the same mental processes of observation, endeavour, successful contrivance, and after a not wholly unlike succession of bodily actions, as those with which a watchmaker has made a watch. 
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Under the robin’s nest—empty now,
Where it swings like a cradle on the bough:
Give me an April sky, and then
Give me my boyhood back again!

Spinner, to me it seems
Mine are the best of all your dreams;
Therefore I sing while my days are wound
Into the world, as your wheel turns round.

A house, a barn, a garden: these
Are my earliest memories
Dreamed by you. Spinner, as you spun
Earth from the substance of the sun.

Little house, do you feel sad—
Lonely for the love you had,
And empty, too, like the robin’s nest?
I come back to you for rest.

Under your gable-thatch two eyes
Study me now, with a tender, wise
Look, as of one
Studying the features of her son.

Study me hard and search me through,
For I was never afraid of you:}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|—71—}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Here in my heart is an ancient thing—
Need of the chick for a mother’s wing.

I come wearily back,
Over the undulating track
Worn by the feet of those who find
Peace on the home-trails of the mind—

Trails that lead from a hill of years,
Gashed by the torrents of old tears,
Back to a boyhood’s love of you—
House in a sky of April blue.

Four square panes my window make;
Through it I look when I awake.
The sun is high above the hill
Where all the trees are standing still,

Like soldiers on a dress parade.
The trees are very much afraid
Of Captain Sun, and so am I;
His blue cloak is an April sky.

I open the window and look out.
I am so happy that I shout.
Comes a joyous answer—hark!
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our situation is precisely like that of an unmechanical 
looker-on who stands by a stocking loom, a com mill, a 
carding machine, or a threshing machine, at work, the 
fabric and mechanism of which, as well as all that passes 
within, is hidden from his sight by the outside case ; or 
if seen, would be too complicated for his uninformed, 
uninstructed understanding to comprehend. And what 
is that situation? This spectator, ignorant as he is, 
sees at one end a material enter the machine, as un- 
ground grain the mill, raw cotton the carding machine, 
sheaves of unthreshed com the threshing machine, and 
when he casts his eye to the other end of the apparatus, 
he sees the material issuing from it in a new state ; 
and what is more, a state manifestly adapted for its 
future uses: the grain in meal fit for the making of 
bread, the wool in rovings fit for the spinning into 
threads, the sheaf in corn fit for the mill. Is it neces- 
sary that this man, in order to be convinced that design, 
that intention, that contrivance has been employed 
about the machine, should be allowed to pull it to 
pieces, should be enabled to examine the parts sepa- 
rately, explore their action upon one another, or their 
operation, whether simultaneous or successive, upon the 
material which is presented to them ? He may long to 
do this to satisfy his curiosity ; he may desire to do it 
to improve his theoretic knowledge ; . . . . but for tlie 
purpose of ascertaining the existence of counsel and 
design in the formation of the machine, he wants no 
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sheaves of unthreshed com the threshing machine, and 
when he casts his eye to the other end of the apparatus, 
he sees the material issuing from it in a new state ; 
and what is more, a state manifestly adapted for its 
future uses: the grain in meal fit for the making of 
bread, the wool in rovings fit for the spinning into 
threads, the sheaf in corn fit for the mill. Is it neces- 
sary that this man, in order to be convinced that design, 
that intention, that contrivance has been employed 
about the machine, should be allowed to pull it to 
pieces, should be enabled to examine the parts sepa- 
rately, explore their action upon one another, or their 
operation, whether simultaneous or successive, upon the 
material which is presented to them ? He may long to 
do this to satisfy his curiosity ; he may desire to do it 
to improve his theoretic knowledge ; . . . . but for tlie 
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when he casts his eye to the other end of the apparatus, he sees the material issuing from it in a new state; and what is more, a state manifestly adapted for its future uses: the grain in meal fit for the making of bread, the wool in rovings fit for the spinning into threads, the sheaf in corn fit for the mill. Is it necessary that this man, in order to be convinced that design, that intention, that contrivance has been employed about the machine, should be allowed to pull it to 
pieces, should be enabled to examine the parts sepa- 
rately, explore their action upon one another, or their 
operation, whether simultaneous or successive, upon the 
material which is presented to them ? He may long to 
do this to satisfy his curiosity ; he may desire to do it 
to improve his theoretic knowledge ; . . . . but for tlie 
purpose of ascertaining the existence of counsel and 
design in the formation of the machine, he wants no 
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when he casts his eye to the other end of the apparatus, he sees the material issuing from it in a new state; and what is more, a state manifestly adapted for its future uses: the grain in meal fit for the making of bread, the wool in rovings fit for the spinning into threads, the sheaf in corn fit for the mill. Is it necessary that this man, in order to be convinced that design, that intention, that contrivance has been employed about the machine, should be allowed to pull it to pieces, should be enabled to examine the parts separately, explore their action upon one another, or their operation, whether simultaneous or successive, upon the material which is presented to them ? He may long to do this to satisfy his curiosity ; he may desire to do it 
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when he casts his eye to the other end of the apparatus, he sees the material issuing from it in a new state; and what is more, a state manifestly adapted for its future uses: the grain in meal fit for the making of bread, the wool in rovings fit for the spinning into threads, the sheaf in corn fit for the mill. Is it necessary that this man, in order to be convinced that design, that intention, that contrivance has been employed about the machine, should be allowed to pull it to pieces, should be enabled to examine the parts separately, explore their action upon one another, or their operation, whether simultaneous or successive, upon the material which is presented to them ? He may long to do this to satisfy his curiosity; he may desire to do it to improve his theoretic knowledge; . . . . but for the purpose of ascertaining the existence of counsel and design in the formation of the machine, he wants no such intromission or privity. The effect upon the material, the change produced in it, the utility of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{EOsection|4|title=Strengthening Wildfire Mitigation}} Within 90 days of the date of this order:

{{EOsubsection|4|a}} The Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency shall consider modifying or rescinding, as consistent with applicable law, Federal rules or policies that impede the use of appropriate, preventative prescribed fires.

{{EOsubsection|4|b}} The Secretary of Agriculture and the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior, shall consider modifying or rescinding, as consistent with applicable law, Federal rules or policies hindering the appropriate use of fire retardant to fight wildfires.

{{EOsubsection|4|c}} The Secretary of Agriculture, in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior, shall consider promoting, assisting, and facilitating, as consistent with applicable law, innovative uses of woody biomass and forest products to reduce fuel loads in areas at risk of wildfires.

{{EOsubsection|4|d}} The Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, the Secretary of Energy, and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission shall consider initiating rulemaking proceedings to establish, as consistent with applicable law, best practices to reduce the risk of wildfire ignition from the bulk-power system without increasing costs for electric-power end users, including through methods such as vegetation management, the removal of forest-hazardous fuels along transmission lines, improved engineering approaches, and safer operational practices.

{{EOsubsection|4|e}} The Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of the Interior, shall review pending and proposed wildfire-related litigation involving electrical utility companies to ensure the Department’s positions and proposed resolutions in such matters advance the wildfire prevention and mitigation efforts identified in this order.

{{EOsection|5|title=Modernizing Wildfire Prevention and Response}} {{EOsubsection|5|a}} Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of OSTP, the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, and the heads of relevant agencies, shall, as appropriate, identify, declassify, and make publicly available historical satellite datasets that will advance wildfire prevention and response and improve wildfire prediction and evaluation models.

{{EOsubsection|5|b}} Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture, in consultation with the Secretary of Commerce and the heads of agencies represented at the National Interagency Fire Center, shall:

{{EOsubsection|5|b|i|content=Identify rules that impede wildfire prevention, detection, or response and consider eliminating or revising those rules, as consistent with applicable law. This consideration and any resulting rulemaking proceedings shall be reflected in the Fall 2025 Unified Regulatory Agenda.}}

{{EOsubsection|5|b|ii|content=Develop performance metrics for wildfire response, including metrics related to average response times, annual fuels treatments, safety and cost effectiveness, and other subjects, as appropriate for inclusion in strategic and annual performance plans.}}

{{EOsubsection|5|c}} Within 210 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense shall evaluate and, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, prioritize the sale of excess aircraft and aircraft parts to support wildfire mitigation and response.

{{EOsection|6|title=General Provisions}} {{EOsubsection|6|a}} Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

{{EOsubsection|6|a|i|content=the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or}}
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O little brave comrade, black-and-tan,
Call to the boy; dismiss the man,
Fretted and worn. I come to you
Under a sky of April blue.

A jug of water, an old, cracked bowl,
Bid me be clean of body and soul;
And, as I splash with reckless hands,
Something within me understands

How body and soul together seem
Part of the dreamer and her dream—
How body and soul together run
Out of the substance of the sun.

Into the bowl I dip my face.
Glory of God and Christ’s fair grace
Come with the water, and I see
John at the river in Galilee:

God in the water clear and cold—
Christ in the white towel that I hold—
John in my body rubbed and dry,
The prophet of an April sky.

Grey wool shirt and stockings, too,
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{{EOsubsection|6|b}} This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

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{{EOsubsection|6|d}} The costs for publication of this order shall be borne by the Department of Agriculture and the Department of the Interior in equal shares.

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* &quot;[[Ladies breastknot/To Signora Cuzzoni|To Signora Cuzzoni]]&quot;, in ''[[Ladies breastknot]]'' (1802), a chapbook printed in Glasgow
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the concealed part of the machine, or of its construction, 
what it will, the hand and agency of a contriver'^ * 

This is admirably put, but it will apply to the mechanism of animal and vegetable bodies only, if it is used to show that they too must have had a contriver who has a hand, or something tantamount to one; who does act, who, being a contriver, has what all other contrivers must have, if they are to be called contrivers — a body which can suflfer more or less pain or 
chagrin if the contrivance is unsuccessful. If this is 
what Paley means, his argument is indeed irrefra-r 
gable; but if he does not intend this, his words are 
frivolous, as so clear and acute a reasoner must have 
perfectly well known. 

Whether Paley 's argument will prove a source of 
lasting strength to himself or no, is a point which my 
readers will decide presently; but I am very clear 
about ite usefulness to my own position. I know few 
writers whom I would willingly quote more largely, or 
from whom I find it harder to leave oflF quoting when I 
have once begun. A few more passages, however, must 
sufiSce. 

&quot; I challenge any man to produce in the joints and 
pivots of the most complicated or the most flexible 
machine that ever was contrived, a construction more 
artificial &quot; (here we have it again), &quot; or more evidently 
artificial than the human neck. Two things were to be 
done. The head was to have the power of bending for- 
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the concealed part of the machine, or of its construction, 
what it will, the hand and agency of a contriver'^ * 

This is admirably put, but it will apply to the mechanism of animal and vegetable bodies only, if it is used to show that they too must have had a contriver who has a hand, or something tantamount to one; who does act, who, being a contriver, has what all other contrivers must have, if they are to be called contrivers — a body which can suflfer more or less pain or chagrin if the contrivance is unsuccessful. If this is what Paley means, his argument is indeed irrefra-r 
gable; but if he does not intend this, his words are 
frivolous, as so clear and acute a reasoner must have perfectly well known. 

Whether Paley 's argument will prove a source of lasting strength to himself or no, is a point which my readers will decide presently; but I am very clear about tte usefulness to my own position. I know few writers whom I would willingly quote more largely, or from whom I find it harder to leave oflF quoting when I have once begun. A few more passages, however, must sufiSce. 

&quot; I challenge any man to produce in the joints and 
pivots of the most complicated or the most flexible 
machine that ever was contrived, a construction more 
artificial &quot; (here we have it again), &quot; or more evidently 
artificial than the human neck. Two things were to be 
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the concealed part of the machine, or of its construction, 
what it will, the hand and agency of a contriver'^ * 

This is admirably put, but it will apply to the mechanism of animal and vegetable bodies only, if it is used to show that they too must have had a contriver who has a hand, or something tantamount to one; who does act, who, being a contriver, has what all other contrivers must have, if they are to be called contrivers — a body which can suflfer more or less pain or chagrin if the contrivance is unsuccessful. If this is what Paley means, his argument is indeed irrefra-r 
gable; but if he does not intend this, his words are 
frivolous, as so clear and acute a reasoner must have perfectly well known. 

Whether Paley 's argument will prove a source of lasting strength to himself or no, is a point which my readers will decide presently; but I am very clear about tte usefulness to my own position. I know few writers whom I would willingly quote more largely, or from whom I find it harder to leave oflF quoting when I have once begun. A few more passages, however, must sufiSce. 

&quot; I challenge any man to produce in the joints and pivots of the most complicated or the most flexible machine that ever was contrived, a construction more artificial &quot; (here we have it again), &quot; or more evidently artificial than the human neck. Two things were to be done. The head was to have the power of bending forward and backward as in the act of nodding, stooping, 

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A dog barked. White plastered walls gleamed among the thinning tree-trunks, a blue wisp of smoke appeared, curling upward under the overshadowing branches, and a lop-sided cottage with a dilapidated roof stood before me, sheltering under a wall of ruddy tree-trunks. It seemed to have sunk down upon the ground, while the proud graceful pines nodded their heads, high, high above it. In the centre of the clearing stood two oak trees, huddling close to one another.

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&quot;Good evening, daddy! Is any one at home?&quot;

&quot;Eh, hey,&quot; mumbled the old man, shaking his head; &quot;neither Zakhar nor Maksim is here and Motria has gone into the wood for the cow. The cow has run away; perhaps the bears have eaten her. And so there is no one in the cottage.&quot;

&quot;Well, well, never mind. I'll sit here with you and wait.&quot;

&quot;Yes, sit down and wait!&quot; the old man nodded, and watched me with dim, watery eyes as I tied my horse to the branch of one of the oaks. The old man was failing fast. He was nearly blind and his hands trembled.

&quot;And who are you, lad?&quot; he asked, as I sat down on the bench.

I was accustomed to hearing this question at every visit.

&quot;Eh, hey; now I know, now I know,&quot; said the old man, resuming his work on the shoe. &quot;My old head is like a sieve; nothing stays in it now. I remember people who died a long time ago, oh, I remember them&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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looking upwards or downwards ; and at the same time 
of turning itself round upon the body to a certain 
extent, the quadrant, we will say, or rather perhaps a 
hundred and twenty degrees of a circle. For these two 
purposes two distinct contrivances are employed. First 
the head rests immediately upon the uppermost part of 
the vertebra, and is united to it by a hinge-joint ; upon 
this joint the head plays freely backward and forward 
as far either way as is necessary or as the ligaments 
allow, which was the first thing required. 

*' But then the rotatory motion is thus unprovided for ; 
therefore, secondly, to make the head capable of this a 
further mechanism is introduced, not between the head 
and the uppermost bone of the neck, where the hinge is, 
but between that bone and the next underneath it. It 
is a mechanism resembling a tenon and mortise. This 
second or uppermost bone but one has what the ana- 
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corresponding hollow socket in the bone above it, forms 
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the head to turn. Thus are both motions perfect with- 
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head we use the hinge-joint, which lies between the 
head and the first bone of the neck. When we turn 
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as far either way as is necessary or as the ligaments 
allow, which was the first thing required. 

*' But then the rotatory motion is thus unprovided for ; 
therefore, secondly, to make the head capable of this a 
further mechanism is introduced, not between the head 
and the uppermost bone of the neck, where the hinge is, 
but between that bone and the next underneath it. It 
is a mechanism resembling a tenon and mortise. This 
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corresponding hollow socket in the bone above it, forms 
a pivot or axle, upon which that upper bone, together 
with the head which it supports, turns freely in a circle, 
and as far in the circle as the attached muscles permit 
the head to turn. Thus are both motions perfect with- 
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head we use the hinge-joint, which lies between the 
head and the first bone of the neck. When we turn 
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*' But then the rotatory motion is thus unprovided for; 
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head we use the hinge-joint, which lies between the 
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*' But then the rotatory motion is thus unprovided for; 
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the head to turn. Thus are both motions perfect with- 
out interfering with each other. When we nod the 
head we use the hinge-joint, which lies between the 
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*' But then the rotatory motion is thus unprovided for; 
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&quot;Have you lived in this forest long, daddy?&quot;

&quot;Eh, hey; a long time! When the Frenchmen came into the Tsar's country I was here.&quot;

&quot;You have seen much in your day. You must have many stories to tell.&quot;

The old man looked at me with surprise.

&quot;And what would I have seen, lad? I have seen the forest. The forest murmurs night and day, winter and summer. One hundred years have I lived in this forest like that tree there without heeding the passage of time. And now I must go to my grave, and sometimes I can't tell, myself, whether I have lived in this world or not. Eh, hey; yes, yes. Perhaps, after all, I have not lived at all.&quot;

A corner of the dark cloud moved out over the clearing from behind the close-growing tree-tops, and the pines that stood about the clearing rocked in the first gusts of wind. The murmur of the forest swelled into a great resonant chord. The old man raised his head and listened.

&quot;A storm is coming,&quot; he said after a pause. &quot;I know. Oi, oi! A storm will howl to-night, and will break the pines and tear them up by the roots. The Master of the forest will come out.&quot;

&quot;How do you know that, daddy?&quot;

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is occasionally requisite that the object end of the in- 
strument be moved np and down as well as horizontally 
or equatorially. For the vertical motion there is a 
hinge upon which the telescope plays, for the hori- 
zontal or equatorial motion, an axis upon which the 
telescope and the hinge turn round together. And 
this is exactly the mechanism which is applied to the 
action of the head, nor will anyone here doubt of the 
existence of counsel and design, except it be by that 
debility of mind which can trust to its own reasonings 
in nothing.&quot; * 

&quot; The patella, or knee-pan, is a curious little bone ; in 
its form and oflSce unlike any other bone in the body. 
It is circular, the size of a crown-piece, pretty thick, a 
little convex on both sides, and covered with a smooth 
cartilage. It lies upon the front of the knee, and the 
powerful tendons by which the leg is brought forward 
pass through it (or rather make it a part of their conti- 
nuation) from their origin in the thigh to their insertion 
in the tibia. It protects both the tendon and the joint 
from any injury which either might suffer by the rub- 
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unequal surfaces. It also gives to the tendons a very 
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{{sc|V. M. W. of Long Island.}}.—Sally Blane was born in Salida, Colorado, July 11, 1910. She did not appear on the stage prior to her movie debut. Richard Dix and Gary Cooper are still single. 

{{sc|Arthur Bly, Chicago, Ill.}}—Joan Crawford's real name is Lucille Le Sueur and she hails from San Antonio, Texas. She is twenty-three years old. Gary Cooper's real name is Frank J. Cooper. He is twenty-eight years old and claims Helena, Montana, as his hometown. 

{{sc|Jeanette Freer, Rochester, N.Y.}}—Tell your brother to smoke a herring. I really think he is jealous of the handsome Gary, who is twenty-eight and not forty, as your brother claims. Richard Barthelmess is thirty-two and Bessie Love is one year younger. 

{{sc|M. R., Philadelphia, Pa.}}—Dorothy Mackaill was born in Hull, England, March 4, 1904. She is divorced from Lothar Mendes. Her next picture will be &quot;Hard to Get.&quot; Davey Lee is four years old and his next picture will be &quot;Little Pal.&quot; Buddy Rogers' next will be &quot;A Man Must Fight.&quot;

{{sc|Shirley Andry, New Orleans, La.}},Perseverance always wins. Here I am to the rescue. Carroll Nye was born Oct. 14, 1901, and is married to Helen Lynch. His latest picture is &quot;The Squall.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Burns, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—The theme song of &quot;A Woman of Affairs&quot; is &quot;Love's First Kiss.&quot;

{{sc|Mrs. H. H. Lisle, Schenectady, N.Y.}}—Caroline Van Wyck referred your letter to me. Polly Ann Young was born in Denver, Colo., Oct. 25, 1908. She is five feet, four and one-half inches tall; weighs 117 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. Her two sisters, Loretta Young and Sally Blane, are also in the movies. Does this information help you? 

{{sc|S. R. A., Streator, Ill.}}—Antonio Moreno was born Sept. 26, 1888, in Madrid, Spain. Both his father and mother were Spanish. 

{{sc|Rallee, Indiana.}}—What a question box you turned out to be. Here goes for the answers. ''The Rabbi'' in &quot;Abie's Irish Rose&quot; was played by Camillus Pretal. Larry Steers played the part of ''John Wallon'' in &quot;Redskin.&quot;
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{{sc|V. M. W. of Long Island.}}.—Sally Blane was born in Salida, Colorado, July 11, 1910. She did not appear on the stage prior to her movie debut. Richard Dix and Gary Cooper are still single. 

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{{sc|Jeanette Freer, Rochester, N.Y.}}—Tell your brother to smoke a herring. I really think he is jealous of the handsome Gary, who is twenty-eight and not forty, as your brother claims. Richard Barthelmess is thirty-two and Bessie Love is one year younger. 

{{sc|M. R., Philadelphia, Pa.}}—Dorothy Mackaill was born in Hull, England, March 4, 1904. She is divorced from Lothar Mendes. Her next picture will be &quot;Hard to Get.&quot; Davey Lee is four years old and his next picture will be &quot;Little Pal.&quot; Buddy Rogers' next will be &quot;A Man Must Fight.&quot;

{{sc|Shirley Andry, New Orleans, La.}},Perseverance always wins. Here I am to the rescue. Carroll Nye was born Oct. 14, 1901, and is married to Helen Lynch. His latest picture is &quot;The Squall.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Burns, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—The theme song of &quot;A Woman of Affairs&quot; is &quot;Love's First Kiss.&quot;

{{sc|Mrs. H. H. Lisle, Schenectady, N.Y.}}—Caroline Van Wyck referred your letter to me. Polly Ann Young was born in Denver, Colo., Oct. 25, 1908. She is five feet, four and one-half inches tall; weighs 117 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. Her two sisters, Loretta Young and Sally Blane, are also in the movies. Does this information help you? 

{{sc|S. R. A., Streator, Ill.}}—Antonio Moreno was born Sept. 26, 1888, in Madrid, Spain. Both his father and mother were Spanish. 

{{sc|Rallee, Indiana.}}—What a question box you turned out to be. Here goes for the answers. ''The Rabbi'' in &quot;Abie's Irish Rose&quot; was played by Camillus Pretal. Larry Steers played the part of ''John Wallon'' in &quot;Redskin.&quot;
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{{sc|V. M. W. of Long Island.}}.—Sally Blane was born in Salida, Colorado, July 11, 1910. She did not appear on the stage prior to her movie debut. Richard Dix and Gary Cooper are still single. 

{{sc|Arthur Bly, Chicago, Ill.}}—Joan Crawford's real name is Lucille Le Sueur and she hails from San Antonio, Texas. She is twenty-three years old. Gary Cooper's real name is Frank J. Cooper. He is twenty-eight years old and claims Helena, Montana, as his hometown. 

{{sc|Jeanette Freer, Rochester, N.Y.}}—Tell your brother to smoke a herring. I really think he is jealous of the handsome Gary, who is twenty-eight and not forty, as your brother claims. Richard Barthelmess is thirty-two and Bessie Love is one year younger. 

{{sc|M. R., Philadelphia, Pa.}}—Dorothy Mackaill was born in Hull, England, March 4, 1904. She is divorced from Lothar Mendes. Her next picture will be &quot;Hard to Get.&quot; Davey Lee is four years old and his next picture will be &quot;Little Pal.&quot; Buddy Rogers' next will be &quot;A Man Must Fight.&quot;

{{sc|Shirley Andry, New Orleans, La.}},Perseverance always wins. Here I am to the rescue. Carroll Nye was born Oct. 14, 1901, and is married to Helen Lynch. His latest picture is &quot;The Squall.&quot;

{{sc|Ellen Burns, Milwaukee, Wis.}}—The theme song of &quot;A Woman of Affairs&quot; is &quot;Love's First Kiss.&quot;

{{sc|Mrs. H. H. Lisle, Schenectady, N.Y.}}—Caroline Van Wyck referred your letter to me. Polly Ann Young was born in Denver, Colo., Oct. 25, 1908. She is five feet, four and one-half inches tall; weighs 117 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. Her two sisters, Loretta Young and Sally Blane, are also in the movies. Does this information help you? 

{{sc|S. R. A., Streator, Ill.}}—Antonio Moreno was born Sept. 26, 1888, in Madrid, Spain. Both his father and mother were Spanish. 

{{sc|Rallee, Indiana.}}—What a question box you turned out to be. Here goes for the answers. ''The Rabbi'' in &quot;Abie's Irish Rose&quot; was played by Camillus Pretal. Larry Steers played the part of ''John Wallon'' in &quot;Redskin.&quot;
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Robert Ames played the part of ''Bobby'' in &quot;The Voice of the City.&quot; Gary Cooper is six feet, two inches tall and weighs 180 pounds. Neil Hamilton is six feet tall and Eddie Nugent is one inch taller. Each weighs 155 pounds. 

{{sc|M. L. B., Oklahoma City, Okla.}}—In &quot;Stella Dallas&quot; Ronald Colman played the part of ''Stephen Dallas''. Have you seen him in &quot;Bulldog Drummond&quot;? His next will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot; When you hear his voice, you'd like him more than ever. 

{{sc|A. B., West Liberty, O.}}—In &quot;The Shephert of the Hills&quot; ''Ollie'' was played by Joseph Bennett and ''The Artist'' was played by John Westwood. Leatrice Joy and John Gilbert were divorced Aug. 19, 1924. Mary Nolan is twenty-four years old and still single.

{{sc|Jack SHowers, A. &amp; M. College, Miss.}}—It was really Lupe Velez who did the singing in &quot;Lady of the Pavements.&quot;

{{sc|J. G., Newark, N.J.}}—Philippe De Lacy has chestnut hair and blue eyes. He claims Nancy, France, as his birthplace. I agree with you, he's a great little fellow. 

{{sc|Donald G. Strong, London, England.}}—Thanks for all the nice compliments. Jolson is married to Ruby Keeler. This is his third marriage. His latest picture is &quot;Little Pal.&quot; Better drop another line to Nick and remind him of your request for a photo. Come again sometime. 

{{sc|Gwen L., Jacksonville, Fla.}}—Your favorite, Corinne Griffith, is live feet. three inches tall; weighs 120 pounds and has light brown hair and blue eyes. Did you read the story about her in the June issue? 

{{sc|A. D., Albany, N.Y.}}—Betty Compson is thirty-two years old, five feet, two inches tall and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her next picture will be &quot;Skin Deep.&quot; Richard Barthelmess and Alice Day will be seen in &quot;Drag.&quot; Leroy Mason was the handsome bandit in &quot;Revenge.&quot;

{{sc|Delphine M., Brooklyn, N.Y.}}—The boys who played in &quot;Four Sons&quot; were James Hall, Charles Morton, Francis X. Bushinan, Jr., and George Meeker. Now don't quarrel anymore. 

{{sc|E. W., Detroit, Mich.}}—Harry Carey's first wife was Alma Fern. His second wife is Olive Golden and they have two children. Louis H. Fontaine was Helene Chadwick's first husband. Marguerite Clark was born Feb. 22, 1887, in Cincinnati, Ohio. 

{{sc|Florence Sethmann, Brooklyn, N.Y.}}—Gwen Lee is twenty-three years old and hails from Hastings, Neb. She is five feet, seven inches tall and weighs 135 pounds. Her real name is Gwendolyn Le Pinski. 

{{sc|Catherine Greene, Albany, Ga.}}—Grant Withers played opposite Corinne Griffith in &quot;Saturday's Children.&quot; Frederic March was Clara Bow's leading man in &quot;The Wild Party.&quot; George Lewis is married to Mary Louise Lohman. Dorothy Gulliver is Mrs. William De Vito. Al Jolson's next picture will be &quot;Little Pal.&quot; You guessed it. Davey Lee plays with him. Buddy Rogers' last picture was &quot;Close Harmony&quot; and his next one will be &quot;A Man Must Fight.&quot; Ramon Novarro, Nick Stuart and Lois Wilson are still single. Nick expects to marry Sue Carol when her divorce becomes final. 

{{sc|Irene Schofield, Elizabeth, N.J.}}—Richard Arlen is married to Jobyna Ralston. He has a seven-year-old daughter by a former marriage. Dick's latest pictures are &quot;The Man I Love&quot; and &quot;Four Feathers.&quot; Jackie Coogan will be fifteen years old in October. He is appearing in vaudeville now. 
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Robert Ames played the part of ''Bobby'' in &quot;The Voice of the City.&quot; Gary Cooper is six feet, two inches tall and weighs 180 pounds. Neil Hamilton is six feet tall and Eddie Nugent is one inch taller. Each weighs 155 pounds. 

{{sc|M. L. B., Oklahoma City, Okla.}}—In &quot;Stella Dallas&quot; Ronald Colman played the part of ''Stephen Dallas''. Have you seen him in &quot;Bulldog Drummond&quot;? His next will be &quot;The River Gambler.&quot; When you hear his voice, you'd like him more than ever. 

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{{sc|Gwen L., Jacksonville, Fla.}}—Your favorite, Corinne Griffith, is live feet. three inches tall; weighs 120 pounds and has light brown hair and blue eyes. Did you read the story about her in the June issue? 

{{sc|A. D., Albany, N.Y.}}—Betty Compson is thirty-two years old, five feet, two inches tall and has blonde hair and blue eyes. Her next picture will be &quot;Skin Deep.&quot; Richard Barthelmess and Alice Day will be seen in &quot;Drag.&quot; Leroy Mason was the handsome bandit in &quot;Revenge.&quot;

{{sc|Delphine M., Brooklyn, N.Y.}}—The boys who played in &quot;Four Sons&quot; were James Hall, Charles Morton, Francis X. Bushinan, Jr., and George Meeker. Now don't quarrel anymore. 

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{{sc|Florence Sethmann, Brooklyn, N.Y.}}—Gwen Lee is twenty-three years old and hails from Hastings, Neb. She is five feet, seven inches tall and weighs 135 pounds. Her real name is Gwendolyn Le Pinski. 

{{sc|Catherine Greene, Albany, Ga.}}—Grant Withers played opposite Corinne Griffith in &quot;Saturday's Children.&quot; Frederic March was Clara Bow's leading man in &quot;The Wild Party.&quot; George Lewis is married to Mary Louise Lohman. Dorothy Gulliver is Mrs. William De Vito. Al Jolson's next picture will be &quot;Little Pal.&quot; You guessed it. Davey Lee plays with him. Buddy Rogers' last picture was &quot;Close Harmony&quot; and his next one will be &quot;A Man Must Fight.&quot; Ramon Novarro, Nick Stuart and Lois Wilson are still single. Nick expects to marry Sue Carol when her divorce becomes final. 

{{sc|Irene Schofield, Elizabeth, N.J.}}—Richard Arlen is married to Jobyna Ralston. He has a seven-year-old daughter by a former marriage. Dick's latest pictures are &quot;The Man I Love&quot; and &quot;Four Feathers.&quot; Jackie Coogan will be fifteen years old in October. He is appearing in vaudeville now. 
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==Rules for the Implementation of the Postal Law of the People's Republic of China==
Hello. May I ask for the source of this text? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 16:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{sc|Mary F. Buccirose, Buffalo, N.Y.}}—Here I am to the rescue. Betty Compson was born March 18, 1897, and Bessie Love was born Sept. 10, 1898. Stop the arguing and figure out their ages.


not play in &quot;Greed.&quot; Gibson Gowland had the lead as the husband of Zasu Pitts, while Jean Hersholt, as the rival, had the second Follow the new fashion- Sept. 10, 1898. Stop the arguing and figure 


{{sc|C. B. D., Bridgeport, Conn.}}—You can obtain back issues of {{sc|Photoplay}} by writing to Photoplay Publishing Company, 750 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill. Enclose twenty-five cents for each issue. 

{{sc|Billie Bailie, Clayton, Mo.}}—I guess your enthusiasm is going to be short lived, as Victor Varconi has returned to Europe. Yes, the talkies are the reason. Victor was born March 31, 1896, in Kisvarda, Hungary. He is six feet tall, weighs 170 pounds and has dark brown hair and black eyes. His last appearance was with John Barrymore in &quot;Eternal Love.&quot;

{{sc|Blue Eyes, Holyoke, Mass.}}—There is quite a resemblance between Dorothy Janis and Raquel Torres, but they are not related to each other. Dorothy came from Dallas, Texas, where she was known as Dorothy Penelope Jones. Raquel was known as Billie Osterman in her home town, Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico. I believe I am right in saying that Nils Asther is not married. He was married and divorced in Berlin several years ago. 

{{sc|Josephine Patterson, St. John's, Ariz.}}—Bessie Love and Mary Brian are both five feet, two inches tall, while Greta Garbo reaches five feet, six inches in height. 

{{sc|Bruce Stevens, Chatham, Ont., Canada}}—Alice Day is twenty-three years old and Al Jolson is twenty years older. His real name is Asa Yoelson. Nils Asther's first pictures were &quot;Topsy and Eva,&quot; &quot;Sorrell and Son,&quot; &quot;The Loves of an Actress,&quot; and &quot;The Cossacks.&quot; 

{{sc|Mrs. J. A. S., Akron, O.}}—After correcting me, you are still wrong. George Seigman did not play in &quot;Greed.&quot; Gibson Gowland had the lead as the husband of ZaSu Pitts, while Jean Hersholt, as the rival, had the second lead. The original letter that I answered in the May issue read, &quot;Was it Jean Hersholt or George Sigman who played opposite ZaSu Pitts in 'Greed'?&quot;—and I was quite correct in my answer. F.N. come to my aid.

{{sc|Elsie Gibson, Ogden, Utah.}}—Your boy friend is wrong. They always are! Of course Sally O'Neill and Molly O'Day are sisters. Sally was born Oct. 23, 1908. She has black hair and dark blue eyes and is five feet, one and a half inches tall. Molly was born Oct. 16, 1910. She is five feet, two inches tall and has reddish brown hair and hazel eyes. In their home town, Paterson, N.J., they were known as Virginia and Suzanne Noonan. 

{{sc|Frances Gangloff, Chatham, N.Y.}}—Norma Shearer and Conrad Nagel played the leads in &quot;The Waning Sex.&quot; Madge Bellamy and Patrick Cumming appeared together in &quot;Very Confidential.&quot; Mabel Normand, Wheeler Oakman, Lewis Cody and George Nichols made up the cast of &quot;Mickey.&quot;

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{{sc|Mary F. Buccirose, Buffalo, N.Y.}}—Here I am to the rescue. Betty Compson was born March 18, 1897, and Bessie Love was born Sept. 10, 1898. Stop the arguing and figure out their ages.

{{sc|C. B. D., Bridgeport, Conn.}}—You can obtain back issues of {{sc|Photoplay}} by writing to Photoplay Publishing Company, 750 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill. Enclose twenty-five cents for each issue. 

{{sc|Billie Bailie, Clayton, Mo.}}—I guess your enthusiasm is going to be short lived, as Victor Varconi has returned to Europe. Yes, the talkies are the reason. Victor was born March 31, 1896, in Kisvarda, Hungary. He is six feet tall, weighs 170 pounds and has dark brown hair and black eyes. His last appearance was with John Barrymore in &quot;Eternal Love.&quot;

{{sc|Blue Eyes, Holyoke, Mass.}}—There is quite a resemblance between Dorothy Janis and Raquel Torres, but they are not related to each other. Dorothy came from Dallas, Texas, where she was known as Dorothy Penelope Jones. Raquel was known as Billie Osterman in her home town, Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico. I believe I am right in saying that Nils Asther is not married. He was married and divorced in Berlin several years ago. 

{{sc|Josephine Patterson, St. John's, Ariz.}}—Bessie Love and Mary Brian are both five feet, two inches tall, while Greta Garbo reaches five feet, six inches in height. 

{{sc|Bruce Stevens, Chatham, Ont., Canada}}—Alice Day is twenty-three years old and Al Jolson is twenty years older. His real name is Asa Yoelson. Nils Asther's first pictures were &quot;Topsy and Eva,&quot; &quot;Sorrell and Son,&quot; &quot;The Loves of an Actress,&quot; and &quot;The Cossacks.&quot; 

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{{sc|Elsie Gibson, Ogden, Utah.}}—Your boy friend is wrong. They always are! Of course Sally O'Neill and Molly O'Day are sisters. Sally was born Oct. 23, 1908. She has black hair and dark blue eyes and is five feet, one and a half inches tall. Molly was born Oct. 16, 1910. She is five feet, two inches tall and has reddish brown hair and hazel eyes. In their home town, Paterson, N.J., they were known as Virginia and Suzanne Noonan. 

{{sc|Frances Gangloff, Chatham, N.Y.}}—Norma Shearer and Conrad Nagel played the leads in &quot;The Waning Sex.&quot; Madge Bellamy and Patrick Cumming appeared together in &quot;Very Confidential.&quot; Mabel Normand, Wheeler Oakman, Lewis Cody and George Nichols made up the cast of &quot;Mickey.&quot;

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{{sc|Mary F. Buccirose, Buffalo, N.Y.}}—Here I am to the rescue. Betty Compson was born March 18, 1897, and Bessie Love was born Sept. 10, 1898. Stop the arguing and figure out their ages.

{{sc|C. B. D., Bridgeport, Conn.}}—You can obtain back issues of {{sc|Photoplay}} by writing to Photoplay Publishing Company, 750 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill. Enclose twenty-five cents for each issue. 

{{sc|Billie Bailie, Clayton, Mo.}}—I guess your enthusiasm is going to be short lived, as Victor Varconi has returned to Europe. Yes, the talkies are the reason. Victor was born March 31, 1896, in Kisvarda, Hungary. He is six feet tall, weighs 170 pounds and has dark brown hair and black eyes. His last appearance was with John Barrymore in &quot;Eternal Love.&quot;

{{sc|Blue Eyes, Holyoke, Mass.}}—There is quite a resemblance between Dorothy Janis and Raquel Torres, but they are not related to each other. Dorothy came from Dallas, Texas, where she was known as Dorothy Penelope Jones. Raquel was known as Billie Osterman in her home town, Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico. I believe I am right in saying that Nils Asther is not married. He was married and divorced in Berlin several years ago. 

{{sc|Josephine Patterson, St. John's, Ariz.}}—Bessie Love and Mary Brian are both five feet, two inches tall, while Greta Garbo reaches five feet, six inches in height. 

{{sc|Bruce Stevens, Chatham, Ont., Canada}}—Alice Day is twenty-three years old and Al Jolson is twenty years older. His real name is Asa Yoelson. Nils Asther's first pictures were &quot;Topsy and Eva,&quot; &quot;Sorrell and Son,&quot; &quot;The Loves of an Actress,&quot; and &quot;The Cossacks.&quot; 

{{sc|Mrs. J. A. S., Akron, O.}}—After correcting me, you are still wrong. George Seigman did not play in &quot;Greed.&quot; Gibson Gowland had the lead as the husband of ZaSu Pitts, while Jean Hersholt, as the rival, had the second lead. The original letter that I answered in the May issue read, &quot;Was it Jean Hersholt or George Sigman who played opposite ZaSu Pitts in 'Greed'?&quot;—and I was quite correct in my answer. F.N. come to my aid.

{{sc|Elsie Gibson, Ogden, Utah.}}—Your boy friend is wrong. They always are! Of course Sally O'Neill and Molly O'Day are sisters. Sally was born Oct. 23, 1908. She has black hair and dark blue eyes and is five feet, one and a half inches tall. Molly was born Oct. 16, 1910. She is five feet, two inches tall and has reddish brown hair and hazel eyes. In their home town, Paterson, N.J., they were known as Virginia and Suzanne Noonan. 

{{sc|Frances Gangloff, Chatham, N.Y.}}—Norma Shearer and Conrad Nagel played the leads in &quot;The Waning Sex.&quot; Madge Bellamy and Patrick Cumming appeared together in &quot;Very Confidential.&quot; Mabel Normand, Wheeler Oakman, Lewis Cody and George Nichols made up the cast of &quot;Mickey.&quot;

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By this time the equipage of the strolling company was arrived at the village, which, it seems, had been apprised of our approach, and was come out to gaze at us; for my companion observed, that strollers always have more spectators without doors than within. I did not consider the impropriety of my being in such company till I saw a mob gathered about me. I therefore took shelter, as fast as possible, in the first ale-house that offered, and being shewn into the common room, was accosted by a very well-drest gentleman, who demanded whether I was the real chaplain of the company, or whether it was only to be my masquerade character in the play. Upon informing him&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|of}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I wish,&quot; cried I, &quot;that such intruding advisers were fixed in the pillory. It should be the duty of honest men to assist the weaker side of our constitution, that sacred power that has for some years been every day declining, and losing its due share of influence in the state. But these ignorants still continue the cry of liberty, and if they have any weight basely throw it into the subsiding scale.&quot;

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&quot;I wish,&quot; cried I, &quot;that such intruding advisers were fixed in the pillory. It should be the duty of honest men to assist the weaker side of our constitution, that sacred power that has for some years been every day declining, and losing its due share of influence in the state. But these ignorants still continue the cry of liberty, and if they have any weight basely throw it into the subsiding scale.&quot;

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&quot;Can it be possible,&quot; cried our entertainer, &quot;that there should be any found at present advocates for slavery? Any who are for meanly giving up the privileges of Britons? Can any, Sir, be so abject?&quot;

&quot;No, Sir,&quot; replied I, &quot;I am for liberty, that attribute of Gods! Glorious liberty! that theme of modern declamation. I would have all men kings. I would be a king myself. We have all naturally an equal right to the throne: we are all originally equal. This is my opinion, and was once the opinion of a set of honest men who were called Levellers. They tried to erect themselves into a community, where all should be equally free. But, alas! it would never answer; for there were some among them stronger, and some more cunning than others, and these became masters of the rest; for as&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|&quot;sure}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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* ''Louis Honoré Frechette'', by [[Author:Henri Beaudé|Henri Beaudé]], ''as'' Henri d’Arles  (1925)
* ''François-Xavier Garneau'', by [[Author:Gustave Lanctôt|Gustave Lanctôt]] (1925-26)
* ''Antoine Gérin-Lajoie'', by [[Author:Louvigny de Montigny|Louvigny de Montigny]] (1925-26)
* ''Arthur Stringer'', by [[Author:Victor Lauriston|Victor Lauriston]] (1941)

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== Information about the series ==

For publication information:
* [https://imprintingcanada.library.torontomu.ca/chapters/chapter-3/case-studies/makers-of-canadian-literature/ Chapter 3], an essay by Tali Voron, part of ''Advancing Canadian Literature and Art''.
* [https://ceww.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/the-makers-of-canadian-literature-series-from-ryerson-press/ The Makers of Canadian Literature series from Ryerson Press], posted by Karyn Huenemann (15 Jan 2018)

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&quot;What a beast that man is.&quot; 

Then he sat down and began to reflect. He would have to find some seconds in the morning. Whom should 
he choose? He thought over the people of his acquaintance who were the most celebrated and in the best positions. He 
took finally, Marquis de la Tour-Noire and Colonel Bourdin, a great lord and a soldier who was very strong. Their 
names would carry in the journals. He perceived that he was thirsty and he drank, one after the other, three glasses 
of water; then he began to walk again. He felt himself full of energy. By 
showing himself hot-brained, resolute in all things, by exacting rigorous, dangerous conditions, and by claiming a 
serious duel, a very serious one, his adversary would doubtless withdraw and make some excuses. 

He took up the card which he had drawn from his pocket and thrown upon the table and re-read it as he bad in the 
''café'', by a glance of the eye, and again 
in the cab, on returning home, by the light of a gas jet: &quot;George Lamil, 51 Moncey street.&quot; That was all. 

He examined these assembled letters which appeared so mysterious to him, his senses all confused. George Lamil? 
Who was this man? What had he done? Why had he looked at that woman in such a way? Was it not revolting that 
a stranger, an unknown should come to trouble his life thus, at a blow, because 
he had been pleased to fix his insolent gaze upon a woman? And the Viscount repeated again, in a loud voice: 

&quot;What a brute.&quot;

Then he remained motionless, stand- 
ing, thinking, his look ever fixed upon 
the card. A certain anger against this 
piece of paper was awakened in him, a 
hateful anger which was mingled with a 
strange sentiment of malice. It was 
stupid, this whole story! He took a 
penknife which lay open at his hand, 
and pricked the card through the middle 
of the printed name, as if he were 
using a poignard upon some one. 

So he must fight! Should he choose 
the sword or pistol, for he considered 
himself the insulted one. With the 
sword he risked less; but with the 
pistol, there was a chance of his ad- 
versary withdrawing. It is rarely that 
a duel with the sword is mortal, a re- 
ciprocal prudence hindering the com- 
batants from keeping near enough to 
each other for the point to strike very 
deep; with the pistol he risked his lif? 
very seriously; but he could also meet 
the affair with all the honors of the 
situation and without arriving at a meet- 
ing. He said aloud: 

&quot;It is necessary to be firm. He will 
be afraid.&quot; 

The sound of his own voice made him 
tremble and he began to look about him. 
He felt very nervous. He drank still 
another glass of water, then commenced 
to undress, preparatory to retiring. 

When he was ready, he put out his 
light and closed his eyes. Then he 
thought : 

&quot;I have all day to-morrow to busy 
myself with my affairs. I must sleep 
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&quot;What a beast that man is.&quot; 

Then he sat down and began to reflect. He would have to find some seconds in the morning. Whom should 
he choose? He thought over the people of his acquaintance who were the most celebrated and in the best positions. He 
took finally, Marquis de la Tour-Noire and Colonel Bourdin, a great lord and a soldier who was very strong. Their 
names would carry in the journals. He perceived that he was thirsty and he drank, one after the other, three glasses 
of water; then he began to walk again. He felt himself full of energy. By 
showing himself hot-brained, resolute in all things, by exacting rigorous, dangerous conditions, and by claiming a 
serious duel, a very serious one, his adversary would doubtless withdraw and make some excuses. 

He took up the card which he had drawn from his pocket and thrown upon the table and re-read it as he bad in the 
''café'', by a glance of the eye, and again 
in the cab, on returning home, by the light of a gas jet: &quot;George Lamil, 51 Moncey street.&quot; That was all. 

He examined these assembled letters which appeared so mysterious to him, his senses all confused. George Lamil? 
Who was this man? What had he done? Why had he looked at that woman in such a way? Was it not revolting that 
a stranger, an unknown should come to trouble his life thus, at a blow, because 
he had been pleased to fix his insolent gaze upon a woman? And the Viscount repeated again, in a loud voice: 

&quot;What a brute.&quot;

Then he remained motionless, standing, thinking, his look ever fixed upon the card. A certain anger against this 
piece of paper was awakened in him, a hateful anger which was mingled with a 
strange sentiment of malice. It was stupid, this whole story! He took a penknife which lay open at his hand, 
and pricked the card through the middle of the printed name, as if he were using a poignard upon some one. 

So he must fight! Should he choose the sword or pistol, for he considered himself the insulted one. With the 
sword he risked less; but with the pistol, there was a chance of his adversary withdrawing. It is rarely that 
a duel with the sword is mortal, a reciprocal prudence hindering the combatants from keeping near enough to 
each other for the point to strike very deep; with the pistol he risked his life very seriously; but he could also meet 
the affair with all the honors of the situation and without arriving at a meeting. He said aloud: 

&quot;It is necessary to be firm. He will be afraid.&quot; 

The sound of his own voice made him tremble and he began to look about him. 
He felt very nervous. He drank still another glass of water, then commenced to undress, preparatory to retiring. 

When he was ready, he put out his light and closed his eyes. Then he thought: 

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Knowing only too well the intense aversion with which his brethren were regarded by the Russians belonging to the official Greek Church, and having often had occasion to notice with what scorn and contempt the name &quot;Zid&quot; was uttered by the haughty representatives of Muscovite self-conceit, he realized keenly that no greater shock could possibly be inflicted upon his Olga than the announcement that her husband was one of the despised and hated Jews. But it appeared to him that no other course was consistent with honor and rectitude, and he determined not to deviate from the straight path of duty. 

Often during the long and tedious journey, he tried to imagine the answer which Olga would give. Sometimes he thought of her as declaring that her husband's faith and people should be hers, and that with him she would go to the uttermost ends of the earth; at other times he imagined her saying that the faith of her fathers stood higher to her than aught else, and that she would never forsake it. But in his wildest&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|[118]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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which showed him capable of much discretion, for a young man. He lived happily, tranquil, in a state of moral 
well-being most complete. It was well known that he was good at handling a sword, and still better with a pistol. 

&quot;If I were to fight,&quot; he said, &quot;I should choose a pistol. With that weapon, I am sure of killing my man.&quot; 

Now, one evening, having escorted two young women, friends of his, to the theater, being also accompanied by their 
husbands, he offered them, after the play, an ice at Tortoni's. They had been there about ten minutes, when he 
perceived that a gentleman, seated at a 
neighboring table, gazed persistently at 
one of the ladies of his party. She 
seemed troubled and disturbed, lowering 
her eyes. Finally, she said to her hus- 
Dand : 

&quot;That man is staring me out of 
countenance. I do not know him; do 
you?&quot; 

The husband, who had seen nothing, 
raised his eyes but declared: 

&quot;No, not at all.&quot; 

The young woman replied, half laugh- 
ing, half angry: &quot;It is very annoying; 
that individdal is spoiling my ice.&quot; 

The husband shrugged his shoulders, 
replymg : 

&quot;Pshaw! Pay no attention to him. 
If we were to notice all the insolent 
people we meet, ther^* would be no end 
to it.&quot; 

But the Viscount arose brusquely. He 
could not allow this unknown man to 
spoil an ice he had offered. It was to 
him that the injury was addressed, as it 

was through him and for him that his 
friends had entered this caje. The affair, 
then, concerned him only. He advanced 
toward the man and said to him: 

&quot;You have, sir, a manner of looking 
at these ladies that is not to be toler- 
ated. I beg to ask you to cease this 
attention.&quot; 

The other replied: &quot;So you command 
me to keep the peace, do you?&quot; 

With set teeth, the Viscount an- 
swered: &quot;Take care, sir, or you will 
force me to forget myself!'' 

The gentleman replied with a single 
word, an obscene word which resounded 
from one end of the cafe to the other, 
and made each guest start v/ith a sud- 
den movement as if they were all on 
springs. Those that were in front turned 
around; all the others raised their 
heads; three waiters turned about on 
their heels as if on pivots; the two 
hdies at the counter bounded forward, 
then entirely turned their backs upon 
the scene, as if they ::ad been two au- 
tomatons obeying the same manipula- 
tion. 

There was a great silence Then, 
suddenly, a sharp noise rent the air. 
The Viscount had struck his adversary. 
Everybody got up to interpose. Cards 
were exchanged. 

After the Viscount had returned 
home, h3 walked up and down his room 
at a lively pace for some minutes. He 
was too much agitated to reflect upon 
anything. One idea only hovered over 
his mind: &quot;a duel&quot;; and yet this idea 
awoke in him as yet, no emotion what- 
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well-being most complete. It was well known that he was good at handling a sword, and still better with a pistol. 

&quot;If I were to fight,&quot; he said, &quot;I should choose a pistol. With that weapon, I am sure of killing my man.&quot; 

Now, one evening, having escorted two young women, friends of his, to the theater, being also accompanied by their 
husbands, he offered them, after the play, an ice at Tortoni's. They had been there about ten minutes, when he 
perceived that a gentleman, seated at a neighboring table, gazed persistently at one of the ladies of his party. She 
seemed troubled and disturbed, lowering her eyes. Finally, she said to her husband: 

&quot;That man is staring me out of countenance. I do not know him; do you?&quot; 

The husband, who had seen nothing, raised his eyes but declared: 

&quot;No, not at all.&quot; 

The young woman replied, half laughing, half angry: &quot;It is very annoying; that individual is spoiling my ice.&quot; 

The husband shrugged his shoulders, replying : 

&quot;Pshaw! Pay no attention to him. If we were to notice all the insolent people we meet, there would be no end to it.&quot; 

But the Viscount arose brusquely. He could not allow this unknown man to spoil an ice he had offered. It was to 
him that the injury was addressed, as it was through him and for him that his 
friends had entered this ''café''. The affair, then, concerned him only. He advanced toward the man and said to him: 

&quot;You have, sir, a manner of looking at these ladies that is not 
to be tolerated. I beg to ask you to cease this attention.&quot; 

The other replied: &quot;So you command me to keep the peace, do you?&quot; 

With set teeth, the Viscount answered: &quot;Take care, sir, or you will force me to forget myself!&quot; 

The gentleman replied with a single word, an obscene word which resounded from one end of the ''café'' to the other, 
and made each guest start with a sudden movement as if they were all on 
springs. Those that were in front turned 
around; all the others raised their 
heads; three waiters turned about on 
their heels as if on pivots; the two 
ladies at the counter bounded forward, 
then entirely turned their backs upon 
the scene, as if they had been two automatons obeying the same manipulation. 

There was a great silence Then, 
suddenly, a sharp noise rent the air. 
The Viscount had struck his adversary. 
Everybody got up to interpose. Cards 
were exchanged. 

After the Viscount had returned 
home, h3 walked up and down his room 
at a lively pace for some minutes. He 
was too much agitated to reflect upon 
anything. One idea only hovered over 
his mind: &quot;a duel&quot;; and yet this idea 
awoke in him as yet, no emotion what- 
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which showed him capable of much discretion, for a young man. He lived happily, tranquil, in a state of moral 
well-being most complete. It was well known that he was good at handling a sword, and still better with a pistol. 

&quot;If I were to fight,&quot; he said, &quot;I should choose a pistol. With that weapon, I am sure of killing my man.&quot; 

Now, one evening, having escorted two young women, friends of his, to the theater, being also accompanied by their 
husbands, he offered them, after the play, an ice at Tortoni's. They had been there about ten minutes, when he 
perceived that a gentleman, seated at a neighboring table, gazed persistently at one of the ladies of his party. She 
seemed troubled and disturbed, lowering her eyes. Finally, she said to her husband: 

&quot;That man is staring me out of countenance. I do not know him; do you?&quot; 

The husband, who had seen nothing, raised his eyes but declared: 

&quot;No, not at all.&quot; 

The young woman replied, half laughing, half angry: &quot;It is very annoying; that individual is spoiling my ice.&quot; 

The husband shrugged his shoulders, replying : 

&quot;Pshaw! Pay no attention to him. If we were to notice all the insolent people we meet, there would be no end to it.&quot; 

But the Viscount arose brusquely. He could not allow this unknown man to spoil an ice he had offered. It was to 
him that the injury was addressed, as it was through him and for him that his 
friends had entered this ''café''. The affair, then, concerned him only. He advanced toward the man and said to him: 

&quot;You have, sir, a manner of looking at these ladies that is not 
to be tolerated. I beg to ask you to cease this attention.&quot; 

The other replied: &quot;So you command me to keep the peace, do you?&quot; 

With set teeth, the Viscount answered: &quot;Take care, sir, or you will force me to forget myself!&quot; 

The gentleman replied with a single word, an obscene word which resounded from one end of the ''café'' to the other, 
and made each guest start with a sudden movement as if they were all on springs. Those that were in front turned 
around; all the others raised their heads; three waiters turned about on their heels as if on pivots; the two 
ladies at the counter bounded forward, then entirely turned their backs upon 
the scene, as if they had been two automatons obeying the same manipulation. 

There was a great silence Then, suddenly, a sharp noise rent the air. 
The Viscount had struck his adversary. Everybody got up to interpose. Cards were exchanged. 

After the Viscount had returned home, he walked up and down his room at a lively pace for some minutes. He 
was too much agitated to reflect upon 
anything. One idea only hovered over 
his mind: &quot;a duel&quot;; and yet this idea 
awoke in him as yet, no emotion whatever. He had done what he ought to 
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well-being most complete. It was well known that he was good at handling a sword, and still better with a pistol. 

&quot;If I were to fight,&quot; he said, &quot;I should choose a pistol. With that weapon, I am sure of killing my man.&quot; 

Now, one evening, having escorted two young women, friends of his, to the theater, being also accompanied by their 
husbands, he offered them, after the play, an ice at Tortoni's. They had been there about ten minutes, when he 
perceived that a gentleman, seated at a neighboring table, gazed persistently at one of the ladies of his party. She 
seemed troubled and disturbed, lowering her eyes. Finally, she said to her husband: 

&quot;That man is staring me out of countenance. I do not know him; do you?&quot; 

The husband, who had seen nothing, raised his eyes but declared: 

&quot;No, not at all.&quot; 

The young woman replied, half laughing, half angry: &quot;It is very annoying; that individual is spoiling my ice.&quot; 

The husband shrugged his shoulders, replying : 

&quot;Pshaw! Pay no attention to him. If we were to notice all the insolent people we meet, there would be no end to it.&quot; 

But the Viscount arose brusquely. He could not allow this unknown man to spoil an ice he had offered. It was to 
him that the injury was addressed, as it was through him and for him that his 
friends had entered this ''café''. The affair, then, concerned him only. He advanced toward the man and said to him: 

&quot;You have, sir, a manner of looking at these ladies that is not 
to be tolerated. I beg to ask you to cease this attention.&quot; 

The other replied: &quot;So you command me to keep the peace, do you?&quot; 

With set teeth, the Viscount answered: &quot;Take care, sir, or you will force me to forget myself!&quot; 

The gentleman replied with a single word, an obscene word which resounded from one end of the ''café'' to the other, 
and made each guest start with a sudden movement as if they were all on springs. Those that were in front turned 
around; all the others raised their heads; three waiters turned about on their heels as if on pivots; the two 
ladies at the counter bounded forward, then entirely turned their backs upon 
the scene, as if they had been two automatons obeying the same manipulation. 

There was a great silence Then, suddenly, a sharp noise rent the air. 
The Viscount had struck his adversary. Everybody got up to interpose. Cards were exchanged. 

After the Viscount had returned home, he walked up and down his room at a lively pace for some minutes. He 
was too much agitated to reflect upon anything. One idea only hovered over his mind: &quot;a duel&quot;; and yet this idea 
awoke in him as yet, no emotion whatever. He had done what he ought to 
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Who can paint the horror and desolation of the inhabitants? The flower of their warriors laid low, and a ferocious enemy at their doors. The air was rent by the shrieks and lamentations of the women, who, casting off their ornaments and tearing their hair, wandered about, frantically bewailing the dead and predicting destruction to the living. The remaining warriors armed themselves for obstinate defence: but showed by their gloomy looks and sullen silence that they considered defence hopeless. To their surprise the Blackfeet refrained from pursuing their advantage; perhaps satisfied with the blood already shed, or disheartened by the loss they had themselves sustained. At any rate, they disappeared from the hills, and it was soon ascertained that they had returned to the Horse Prairie.

The unfortunate Nez Percés now began once more to breathe. A few of their warriors, taking pack-horses, repaired to the defile to bring away the bodies of their slaughtered brethren. They found them mere headless trunks; and the wounds with which they were covered showed how bravely they had fought. Their hearts, too, had been torn out and carried off; a proof of their signal valor; for in devouring the heart of a foe renowned for bravery, or who has distinguished himself in battle, the Indian victor thinks he appropriates to himself the courage of the deceased.

Gathering the mangled bodies of the slain, and strapping them across their pack-horses, the warriors returned, in dismal procession, to the village. The tribe came forth to meet them; the women with piercing cries and wailings; the men with downcast countenances, in which gloom and sorrow seemed fixed as if in marble. The mutilated and almost undistinguishable bodies were placed in rows upon the ground, in the midst of the assemblage; and the scene of heart-rending&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Who can paint the horror and desolation of the inhabitants? The flower of their warriors laid low, and a ferocious enemy at their doors. The air was rent by the shrieks and lamentations of the women, who, casting off their ornaments and tearing their hair, wandered about, frantically bewailing the dead and predicting destruction to the living. The remaining warriors armed themselves for obstinate defence; but showed by their gloomy looks and sullen silence that they considered defence hopeless. To their surprise the Blackfeet refrained from pursuing their advantage; perhaps satisfied with the blood already shed, or disheartened by the loss they had themselves sustained. At any rate, they disappeared from the hills, and it was soon ascertained that they had returned to the Horse Prairie.

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Gathering the mangled bodies of the slain, and strapping them across their pack-horses, the warriors returned, in dismal procession, to the village. The tribe came forth to meet them; the women with piercing cries and wailings; the men with downcast countenances, in which gloom and sorrow seemed fixed as if in marble. The mutilated and almost undistinguishable bodies were placed in rows upon the ground, in the midst of the assemblage; and the scene of heart-rending&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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978 
WGUS71 KRLX 061024
FFSRLX

Flash Flood Statement
National Weather Service Charleston WV
524 AM EST Thu Feb 6 2025

KYC019-WVC011-043-099-061345-
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Boyd KY-Cabell WV-Lincoln WV-Wayne WV-
524 AM EST Thu Feb 6 2025

...FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR HUNTINGTON AND CABELL COUNTY...

...FLASH FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 845 AM EST THIS 
MORNING FOR SOUTHERN BOYD, CENTRAL CABELL, NORTHWESTERN LINCOLN AND 
NORTHERN WAYNE COUNTIES...

At 524 AM EST, Doppler radar and automated rain gauges indicated 
thunderstorms producing heavy rain in Huntington and Cabell county. 
Between 1.5 and 2.5 inches of rain have fallen. Additional rainfall 
amounts of 0.5 to 0.8 inches are possible in the warned area. Flash 
flooding is already occurring.

This is a FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY for Huntington and Cabell county. 
This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. SEEK HIGHER GROUND NOW!

HAZARD...Life threatening flash flooding. Thunderstorms producing
         flash flooding.

SOURCE...Radar and automated gauges.

IMPACT...This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. SEEK HIGHER
         GROUND NOW! Life threatening flash flooding of low water
         crossings, small creeks and streams, urban areas,
         highways, streets and underpasses.

Some locations that will experience flash flooding include...
  Huntington, Hamlin, Beech Fork State Park, Barboursville, Milton, 
  Ona, Durbin, Culloden, West Hamlin, Pea Ridge, Lavalette, Salt 
  Rock, Lockwood and Mavity.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Move to higher ground now! This is an extremely dangerous and 
life-threatening situation. Do not attempt to travel unless you are 
fleeing an area subject to flooding or under an evacuation order.

Turn around, don't drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood 
deaths occur in vehicles.

Be especially cautious at night when it is harder to recognize the 
dangers of flooding.

Report flooding to the National Weather Service by calling toll 
free, 800 401 9535, when you can do so safely.

&amp;&amp;

LAT...LON 3826 8267 3826 8270 3825 8277 3834 8277
      3839 8248 3847 8205 3846 8205 3845 8205
      3843 8205 3842 8205 3841 8205 3840 8205
      3828 8205 3826 8240 3827 8263

FLASH FLOOD...RADAR AND GAUGE INDICATED
FLASH FLOOD DAMAGE THREAT...CATASTROPHIC

$$

SL
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&quot;Undoubtedly.&quot;

&quot;Well, then, we must be conferring a favor upon them by giving it to them. We can't slice it up and give them only the plums. That would be ridiculous. They must take us for better and worse. In fact, I think we should be guilty of hypocrisy if we pretended to be better than we are. Suppose we gave them a better civilization than we've got, shouldn't we be open to the charge of misrepresentation?&quot;

&quot;That's true,&quot; said Sam. &quot;I didn't think of that.

&quot;Yes,&quot; Cleary went on; &quot;at first I had some doubts about that saloon business particularly. but the more you think of it, the more you see that it's our duty to introduce them there. It's all a part of our civilization.&quot;

&quot;So it is,&quot; said Sam. &quot;And then people have always done things that way, haven't they?&quot;

&quot;Yes, of course they have.&quot;
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&quot;Oh! yes. I came near forgetting. You see what a lot they're going to do for us; now we must help them all we can. They want you to leave behind with them all the material about yourself that you can get together. You must get photographed at Slowburgh in a lot of different positions, and in your cadet uniform and your volunteer rig when you get it. Then you must let them have all your earlier photos if you can. 'Hero Jinks as an infant in arms,' 'Hero Jinks in his baby-carriage,' 'Hero Jinks as a schoolboy'{{mdash}}what a fine series&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 91 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;If it's the proper way of doing things I'll do it,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;That's a good fellow! I'll send you a list of questions to answer and coach you as well as I can. I'm dying to get off and have this thing started. Isn't Jonas great? He's got just my ideas, only bigger. You see, he explained to me that in this country trusts have grown up with great difficulty, and it was hard work to establish the benefits which they produce for the public. They were fought at every step. But in the Cubapines we have a clean field, and by getting the Government monopoly whenever we want it, we can found one big trust and do ever so much good. I half wish I were a Cubapino, they're going to&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 92 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I can't quite follow all those business plans.&quot; said Sam. &quot;My head isn't trained to it; but I'm glad we're going to do good there, and if I can do something great to bring it about, it will give me real happiness.&quot;

&quot;It will, old man, it will. I'm sure of it,&quot; cried Cleary, as he took his leave of Sam in front of the hotel. &quot;Let me know what steamer you're going by as soon as you get orders, and I'll try to manage it to get a pas-sage on her too. They often carry newspaper men on our transports.&quot;

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WFUS53 KJKL 170307
TORJKL
KYC121-125-199-203-170400-
/O.NEW.KJKL.TO.W.0026.250517T0307Z-250517T0400Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service JACKSON KY
1107 PM EDT Fri May 16 2025

The National Weather Service in JACKSON KY has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
  Laurel County in south central Kentucky...
  Northwestern Knox County in southeastern Kentucky...
  East central Pulaski County in south central Kentucky...
  South central Rockcastle County in south central Kentucky...

* Until midnight EDT.

* At 1107 PM EDT, a confirmed large and extremely dangerous tornado
  was located over Ruth, or near Somerset, moving east at 45 mph.

  This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. TAKE COVER NOW!

  HAZARD...Damaging tornado.

  SOURCE...Weather spotters confirmed tornado.

  IMPACT...You are in a life-threatening situation. Flying debris 
           may be deadly to those caught without shelter. Mobile 
           homes will be destroyed. Considerable damage to homes, 
           businesses, and vehicles is likely and complete 
           destruction is possible.

* The tornado will be near...
  Mount Victory around 1115 PM EDT.
  Bunch around 1125 PM EDT.

Other locations in the path of this tornadic thunderstorm include
London, Levi Jackson S.P. and Lesbas.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

To repeat, a large, extremely dangerous and potentially deadly
tornado is on the ground. To protect your life, TAKE COVER NOW! Move
to a basement or an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy
building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

&amp;&amp;

LAT...LON 3715 8464 3724 8397 3718 8396 3717 8397
      3715 8395 3697 8391 3699 8462
TIME...MOT...LOC 0307Z 264DEG 38KT 3707 8452 

TORNADO...OBSERVED
TORNADO DAMAGE THREAT...CONSIDERABLE
MAX HAIL SIZE...2.00 IN

$$

VORST

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168 
WFUS53 KJKL 170307
TORJKL
KYC121-125-199-203-170400-
/O.NEW.KJKL.TO.W.0026.250517T0307Z-250517T0400Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service JACKSON KY
1107 PM EDT Fri May 16 2025

The National Weather Service in JACKSON KY has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
  Laurel County in south central Kentucky...
  Northwestern Knox County in southeastern Kentucky...
  East central Pulaski County in south central Kentucky...
  South central Rockcastle County in south central Kentucky...

* Until midnight EDT.

* At 1107 PM EDT, a confirmed large and extremely dangerous tornado
  was located over Ruth, or near Somerset, moving east at 45 mph.

  This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. TAKE COVER NOW!

  HAZARD...Damaging tornado.

  SOURCE...Weather spotters confirmed tornado.

  IMPACT...You are in a life-threatening situation. Flying debris 
           may be deadly to those caught without shelter. Mobile 
           homes will be destroyed. Considerable damage to homes, 
           businesses, and vehicles is likely and complete 
           destruction is possible.

* The tornado will be near...
  Mount Victory around 1115 PM EDT.
  Bunch around 1125 PM EDT.

Other locations in the path of this tornadic thunderstorm include
London, Levi Jackson S.P. and Lesbas.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

To repeat, a large, extremely dangerous and potentially deadly
tornado is on the ground. To protect your life, TAKE COVER NOW! Move
to a basement or an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy
building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

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TIME...MOT...LOC 0307Z 264DEG 38KT 3707 8452 

TORNADO...OBSERVED
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MAX HAIL SIZE...2.00 IN

$$

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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service JACKSON KY
1107 PM EDT Fri May 16 2025

The National Weather Service in JACKSON KY has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
  Laurel County in south central Kentucky...
  Northwestern Knox County in southeastern Kentucky...
  East central Pulaski County in south central Kentucky...
  South central Rockcastle County in south central Kentucky...

* Until midnight EDT.

* At 1107 PM EDT, a confirmed large and extremely dangerous tornado
  was located over Ruth, or near Somerset, moving east at 45 mph.

  This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. TAKE COVER NOW!

  HAZARD...Damaging tornado.

  SOURCE...Weather spotters confirmed tornado.

  IMPACT...You are in a life-threatening situation. Flying debris 
           may be deadly to those caught without shelter. Mobile 
           homes will be destroyed. Considerable damage to homes, 
           businesses, and vehicles is likely and complete 
           destruction is possible.

* The tornado will be near...
  Mount Victory around 1115 PM EDT.
  Bunch around 1125 PM EDT.

Other locations in the path of this tornadic thunderstorm include
London, Levi Jackson S.P. and Lesbas.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

To repeat, a large, extremely dangerous and potentially deadly
tornado is on the ground. To protect your life, TAKE COVER NOW! Move
to a basement or an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy
building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

&amp;&amp;

LAT...LON 3715 8464 3724 8397 3718 8396 3717 8397
      3715 8395 3697 8391 3699 8462
TIME...MOT...LOC 0307Z 264DEG 38KT 3707 8452 

TORNADO...OBSERVED
TORNADO DAMAGE THREAT...CONSIDERABLE
MAX HAIL SIZE...2.00 IN

$$

VORST

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TORJKL
KYC121-125-199-203-170400-
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service JACKSON KY
1107 PM EDT Fri May 16 2025

The National Weather Service in JACKSON KY has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
  Laurel County in south central Kentucky...
  Northwestern Knox County in southeastern Kentucky...
  East central Pulaski County in south central Kentucky...
  South central Rockcastle County in south central Kentucky...

* Until midnight EDT.

* At 1107 PM EDT, a confirmed large and extremely dangerous tornado
  was located over Ruth, or near Somerset, moving east at 45 mph.

  This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. TAKE COVER NOW!

  HAZARD...Damaging tornado.

  SOURCE...Weather spotters confirmed tornado.

  IMPACT...You are in a life-threatening situation. Flying debris 
           may be deadly to those caught without shelter. Mobile 
           homes will be destroyed. Considerable damage to homes, 
           businesses, and vehicles is likely and complete 
           destruction is possible.

* The tornado will be near...
  Mount Victory around 1115 PM EDT.
  Bunch around 1125 PM EDT.

Other locations in the path of this tornadic thunderstorm include
London, Levi Jackson S.P. and Lesbas.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

To repeat, a large, extremely dangerous and potentially deadly
tornado is on the ground. To protect your life, TAKE COVER NOW! Move
to a basement or an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy
building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

&amp;&amp;

LAT...LON 3715 8464 3724 8397 3718 8396 3717 8397
      3715 8395 3697 8391 3699 8462
TIME...MOT...LOC 0307Z 264DEG 38KT 3707 8452 

TORNADO...OBSERVED
TORNADO DAMAGE THREAT...CONSIDERABLE
MAX HAIL SIZE...2.00 IN

$$

VORST

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&quot;ALOHA HAWAII&quot;—{{sc|All Star.}}—Adapted by Alfred A. Grasse. Directed by Alfred A. Grasse. Photography by H. Lyman Broening. The cast: ''Lani'', Winona Love; ''Lono'', Lawrence Barber; ''Pele'', Libby Keanini.

&quot;ARGYLE CASE, THE—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the play by Harriet Ford and Harvey J. O'Higgins. Adapted by Harvey Thew. Directed by Howard Bretherton. The cast: ''Alexander Kayton'', Thomas Meighan; ''Hurley'', H, B. Warner; ''Mary Morgan'', Lila Lee; ''Mrs. Martin'', Gladys Brockwell; ''Bruce Argyle'', John Darrow; ''Mrs. Wyatt'', ZaSu Pitts; ''Joe'', Bert Roach; ''Sam'', Wilbur Mack; ''Finley'', Douglas Gerrard; ''Kitty'', Alona Marlowe; ''Skidd'', J. Quinn.

&quot;BLACK WATCH, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}. From the novel by Tabot Mundy, Scenario by John Stone. Dialogue by James K. McGuinness. Directed by John Ford. The cast: ''Capt. Donald Gordon King'', Victor McLaglen; ''Yasmani'', Myrna Loy; ''Lieut. Malcolm King'', David Rollins; ''Colonel of the Black Watch'', Lumsden Hare; ''Rewa Ghunga'', Roy D'Arcy; ''Mohammed Khan'', Mitchell Lewis; ''Major Twynes'', Cyril Chadwick, ''Harrim Bey'', Walter Long; ''Field Marshal'', David Torrence; ''Black Watch Officer'', Pat Somerset.

&quot;BROADWAY&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the play by Philip Dunning and George Abbott. Scenario by Edward T. Lowe, Jr. Directed by Paul Fejos. Photography by Hal Mohr. The cast: ''Roy Lane'', Glenn Tryon; ''Pearl'', Evelyn Brent; ''Billie Moore'', Merna Kennedy; ''Don McCorn'', Thomas E. Jackson; ''Steve Crandall'', Robert Ellis; ''Nick Verdis'', Paul Porcasi; ''Porky'', Otis Harlan; ''Lit'', Marion Lord; ''Mose Levell'', Fritz Feld; ''Dolph'', Arthur Hausman; ''Joe'', George Davis; ''&quot;Scar&quot; Edwards'', Leslie Fenton; ''Maizie'', Betty Francisco; ''Ruby'', Edythe Flynn; ''Ann'', Florence Dudley; ''Grace'', Ruby McCoy. 

&quot;CAMPUS KNIGHTS&quot;—{{sc|Chesterfield}}.—From the story by Albert Kelly. Directed by Albert Kelly. Photography by M. A. Anderson. The cast: ''Prof. Ezra Hastings'', Raymond McKee; ''Earl Hastings'', Raymond McKee; ''Audrey'', Shirley Palmer; ''Edna'', Marie Quillan; ''Pearl'', Jean Laverty; ''Dean Whitlock'', J. C. Fowler; ''The Matron'', Sybil Grove; ''The Janitor'', P. J. Danby; ''Pearl's Lawyer'', Leo White; ''The Sport'', Lew Sargent.

&quot;CAREERS—{{sc|First National}}. From the play by Alfred Schirokauer and Paul Rosenhayn. Adapted by Forrest Halsey. Directed by John Francis Dillon. The cast: ''Helene'', Billie Dove; ''Victor'', Antonio Mereno; ''Hortense'', Thelma Todd; ''The President'', Noah Beery; ''Caronge'', Holmes Herbert; ''The Woman'', Carmel Myers; ''Lavergne'', Robert Frazer; ''Biwa Player'', Sojin.

&quot;CHARMING SINNERS&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by Somerset Maugham. Adapted by Doris Anderson. Directed by Robert Milton. The cast: ''Kathryn Miles'', Ruth Chatterton; ''Robert Miles'', Clive Brook; ''Anne-Marie Whitley'', Mary Nolan; ''Karl Kraley'', William Powell; ''Mrs. Carr'', Laura Hope Crews; ''Helen Carr'', Florence Eldridge; ''George Whitley'', Montagu Love; ''Margaret'', Juliette Crosby; ''Alice'', Lorraine Eddy; ''Gregson'', Claude Allister.

&quot;CLEAN-UP, THE&quot;—{{sc|Excellent}}.—From the story by Isadore Berustein. Scenario by Carmelita Sweeney. Directed by Bernard McEveety. The cast: ''Oliver Brooks'', Charles Delaney; ''Susan Clancy'', Betty Blake; ''&quot;Hunch,&quot;'' Lewis Sargent; ''Jimmy'', Harry Myers; ''Frank Lawrence'', J. P. McGowan; ''Captain Clancy'', Charles Hickman; ''Hard Boiled Foley'', Bruce Gordon; ''&quot;Rags,&quot;'' Himself. 

&quot;COCOANUTS, THE&quot;-{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the stage play by George S. Kaufman. Directed by Joseph Santley and Robert Florey. The cast: ''Hammer'', Groucho Marx: ''Harpo'', Harpo Marx; ''Chico'', Chico Marx; ''Jamison''; Zeppo Marx; ''Polly'', Mary Eaton; ''Bob'', Oscar Shaw; ''Penelope'', Katherine Francis; ''Mrs. Potter'', Margaret Dumont; ''Yates'', Cyril Ring; ''Hennessy'', Basil Ruysdael; ''Bell Captain'', Sylvan Lee; ''Dancers'', Gamby-Hale Girls and Allan K. Foster Girls.

&quot;COLLEGE LOVE&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story by Leonard Fields. Adapted by John B. Clymer and Pierre Coudere. Directed by Nat Ross. The cast: ''Robert Wilson'', George Lewis; ''Eddie &quot;Flesh&quot; Thomas'', Eddie Phillips; ''Dorothy May'', Dorothy Gulliver; ''Jimmy Reed'', Churchill Ross; ''Coach Jones'', Hayden Stevenson.

&quot;CONSTANT NYMPH, THE&quot;—{{sc|Gainsborough}}—From the novel by Margaret Kennedy, and the play by Margaret Kennedy and Basil Dean. Continuity by Alma Reville. Directed by Adrian Brunel, The cast: ''M. Sanger'', George Heinrich; ''Linda'', Mary Clare; ''Tessa'', Mabel Poulton; ''Pauline'', Dorothy Boyd; ''Toni'', Benita Hume; ''Kate'', Yvonne Thomas; ''Susan'', Erna Sturm; ''Lewis'', Ivor Novello; ''Roberto'', Tony de Lungo; ''Ike'', Peter Evan Thomas; ''Trigorin'', Robert Garrison; ''Florence'', Frances Doble; ''Dr. Churchill'', J. H. Roberts.

&quot;EVANGELINE&quot;—{{sc|United Artists}}.—From the poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Screen play by Finis Fox. Directed by Edwin Carewe. The cast: ''Evangeline'', Dolores Del Rio; ''Gabriel'', Roland Drew; ''Father Felician'', Alec B. Francis; ''Baptiste'', Donald Reed; ''Basil'', James Marcus; ''Benedict Bellefontaine'', Paul McAllister; ''Governor-General'', Lou Payne; ''Col. Winslow'', Lee Shumway; ''Michael, the Fiddler'', Bobby Mack; ''Rene LeBlanc'', George Marion.

&quot;FAR CALL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the novel by Edison Marshall. Adapted by Walter Woods. Directed by Allan Dwan. The cast: ''Pal Loring'', Charles Morton; ''Hilda Larsen'', Leila Hyams; ''London Nick'', Ulrich Haupt; ''Captain Storkerson'', Stanley J. Sandford; ''&quot;Soup&quot; Brophy'', Warren Hymer; ''Schnudi'', Arthur Stone; ''Kris Larsen'', Charles Middleton; ''Lars Johannson'', Pat Hartigan; ''Red Dunkirk'', Ivan Linow; ''Black O'Neil'', Dan Wolheim; ''Helms'', Randolph Scott; ''Maycox'', Charles Gorman; ''Aleut Chief'', Bernard Siegel; ''Wing'', Willie Fung; ''Pete'', Harry Gripp; ''Ling Fu'', Frank Chew; ''Tebal'', Sam Baker.

&quot;FASHIONS IN LOVE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the stage play &quot;The Concert.&quot; by Hermann Baht. Adapted by Louise Long. Directed by Victor Schertzinger. The cast: ''Paul De Remy'', Adolphe Menjou; ''Marie De Remy'', Fay Compton: ''Delphine Marita'', Miriam Seegar; ''Frank Martin'', John Miljan: ''Miss Weller'', Joan Standing; ''Levisohn'', Robert Wayne; ''Joe'', Russ Powell; ''Jane'', Billie Bennett; ''Valet'', Jacques Vanaire.

&quot;FATHER AND SON&quot;—{{sc|Columbia}}.—From the story by Elmer Harris. Continuity by Jack Townley, Directed by Erle C. Kenton. The cast: ''Frank Fields'', Jack Holt; ''Grace Moore'', Dorothy Revier; ''Miss White'', Helene Chadwick; ''Jimmy Fields'', Mickey McBan; ''Anton Lebou'', Wheeler Oakman.

&quot;FLYING FOOL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Elliott Clawson. Dialogue by James Gleason. Directed by Taylor Garnett. The cast: ''The Flying Fool'', William Boyd; ''Pal'', Marie Prevost; ''Jimmy Taylor'', Russell Gleason; ''Tom Dugan'', Tom O'Brien.

&quot;GLAD RAG DOLL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the story by Harvey Gates. Scenario by Graham Baker. Directed by Michael Curtiz. The cast: ''Annabel Lea'', Dolores Costello; ''John Fairchild'', Ralph Graves; ''Bertha Fairchild'', Audrey Ferris; ''Nathan Fairchild'', Albert Gran; ''Aunt Fairchild'', Maude Turner Gordon; ''Admiral'', Tom Ricketts; ''Sam Underlane'', Claude Gillingwater; ''Jimmy Fairchild'', Arthur Rankin;'' Miss Peabody'', Dale Fuller; ''Butler'', Douglas Gerard; ''Barry, an Actor'', Andre Beranger; ''Press Agent'', Lee Moran; ''Manager Faley'', Tom Kennedy; ''Hannah'', Louise Beaver; ''Chauffeur'', Stanley Taylor.

&quot;HIGH VOLTAGE&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Elliott Clawson. Directed by Howard Higgin. Photography by John Mescall. The cast: ''Lineman'', William Boyd; ''Detective'', Owen Moore; ''Girl'', Carol Lombard; ''Diane'', Diane Ellis; ''Stage Driver'', Billy Bevan; ''Banker'', Phillips Smalley.

&quot;IDLE RICH, THE&quot;-{{sc|M.-G.-M.}}—From the play &quot;White Collars,&quot; by Edith Ellis. Adapted_by Clara Beranger. Directed by William De Mille. The cast: ''William Van Luyn'', Conrad Nagel; ''Helen Thayer'', Bessie Love; ''Joan Thayer'', Leila Hyams; ''Henry'', Robert Ober; ''Mr. Thayer'', James Neill; ''Mrs. Thayer'', Edythe Chapman; ''Tom Gibney'', Prul Kruger; ''Frank Thayer'', Kenneth Gibson.

&quot;MYSTERIOUS DR. FU MANCHU, THE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by Sax Rohmer. Adapted by Florence Ryerson and Lloyd Corrigan. Directed by Rowland V. Lee. The cast: ''Dr. Fu Manchu'', Warner Oland; ''Lia Eltham'', Jean Arthur; ''Dr. Jack Petrie'', Neil Hamilton; ''Nayland Smith'', O. P. Heggie; ''Sylvester Wadsworth'', William Austin; ''Sir John Petrie'', Claude King; ''General Petrie'', Charles Stevenson; ''Li Po'', Noble Johnson; ''Foi Lu'', Evelyn Selbie; ''Weymouth'', Charles Giblyn; ''Trent'', Donald Mackenzie; ''Clarkson'', Lawford Davidson; ''Fu Mela'', Laska Winter; ''Singh'', Charles Stevens; ''Rev. Eltham'', Chappel Dosset; ''Chinese Ambassador'', Tully Marshall.

&quot;ON WITH THE SHOW&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the story by Humphrey Pearson. Scenario by Robert Lord. Directed by Alan Crosland. The cast: ''Nita'', Betty Compson; ''Sarah'', Louise Fazenda; ''Kitty'', Sally O'Neil; ''Ike'', Joe F. Brown; ''Sam Bloom'', Purnell B. Pratt; ''Jimmy'', William Bakewell; ''Twins'', Fairbanks Twins; ''Durant'', Wheeler Oakman; ''Jerry'', Sam Hardy; ''Dad'', Thomas Jefferson; ''Pete'', Lee Moran; ''Joe'', Harry Gribbon; ''Harold'', Arthur Lake; ''Harold's Fiancee'', Josephine Houston; ''Father'', Henry Fink; ''Bert'', Otto Hoffman; ''Ethel Waters'', Ethel Waters; ''Harmony Four Quartette'', Harmony Four Quartette; ''Four Covans'', Four Covans; ''Angelus Babe'', Angelus Babe.

&quot;PRISONERS&quot;—{{sc|First National}}.—From the story by Franz Molnar. Directed by William A. Seiter. The cast: ''Risa'', Corinne Griffith; ''Nicholas'', Jan Keith; ''Sebfi'', Otto Matiesen; ''Kore'', Baron Von Hesse; ''Lenke'', Julanne Johnston; ''Aunt Maria'', Ann Schaeffer; ''The Man'', Bela Lugosi; ''Warden Rimmer'', Charles Clary.

&quot;PROTECTION&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the story by Frederick Hazlitt Brennan. Directed by Benjamin Stoloff. Photography by Joseph Valentine. The cast: ''Wallace Crockett'', Robert Elliott; ''Chick Stater'', Paul Page; ''Myrtle Hanes'', Dorothy Burgess; ''Big Jim''
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&quot;That's just what I did, young man, and if you doubt it, here's my pension that I drew to-day in town, twelve dollars a month, and they've paid it now these thirty-four years.&quot;

&quot;That's a pretty soft thing,&quot; said the commercial man. &quot;Better'n selling fountain-pens in the backwoods.&quot;
&quot;A soft thing!&quot; cried the old man, &quot;I ought to have twice as much. There's Abe Tucker gets fifteen dollars because he caught cold on picket duty, and I get a beggarly twelve.&quot;

&quot;Were you severely wounded?&quot; asked Sam.

&quot;Well, no-o-o, not exactly, tho I might just as well 'a' been. I was down bad with the measles. This is an ongrateful country. Here it is only thirty-five years after the war, and they're only paying a hundred and forty millions a year to only a million pensioners. It's a beggarly shame!&quot;
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&quot;Pretty near it, I reckon. But p'r'aps in thirty-five years there'd be a natural increase. Think of it, a million men throwing away their lives for a nothing like that! I jest tell our young fellers that they'd better stay at home. Why, we've had to fight for what we've got. You wouldn't think it, but we've had to pass around the hat, and shove it hard under the nose of Congress, too, just as if we were beggars and frauds, and as if we hadn't sacrificed everything for our country!&quot;

&quot;It's an outrage,&quot; cried Sam sympathetically. &quot;But I hope you won't keep the young men from going. I'm going soon, and perhaps the country will be more generous in future.&quot;

&quot;Take my advice, young man, and when-ever anything happens to you while you're away, take down the names of the witnesses and keep their affidavits. Then you'll be all ready to get your pension as soon as you come back. It took me three years to straighten&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 97 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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795 
WFUS53 KJKL 170342
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KYC051-121-125-131-189-170430-
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service JACKSON KY
1142 PM EDT Fri May 16 2025

The National Weather Service in JACKSON KY has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
  Laurel County in south central Kentucky...
  Northern Knox County in southeastern Kentucky...
  West central Leslie County in southeastern Kentucky...
  Southeastern Owsley County in southeastern Kentucky...
  Clay County in southeastern Kentucky...

* Until 1230 AM EDT.

* At 1142 PM EDT, a confirmed large and extremely dangerous tornado
  was located over Sublimity City, or near London, moving east at 45
  mph.

  This is a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. TAKE COVER NOW!

  HAZARD...Damaging tornado.

  SOURCE...Radar confirmed tornado.

  IMPACT...You are in a life-threatening situation. Flying debris 
           may be deadly to those caught without shelter. Mobile 
           homes will be destroyed. Considerable damage to homes, 
           businesses, and vehicles is likely and complete 
           destruction is possible.

* The tornado will be near...
  London around 1145 PM EDT.
  Cane Creek around 1150 PM EDT.
  Blackwater around 1155 PM EDT.
  Manchester around 1200 AM EDT.

Other locations in the path of this tornadic thunderstorm include
House and Hector.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

To repeat, a large, extremely dangerous and potentially deadly
tornado is on the ground. To protect your life, TAKE COVER NOW! Move
to a basement or an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy
building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

Torrential rainfall is occurring with this storm, and may lead to
flash flooding. Do not drive your vehicle through flooded roadways.

&amp;&amp;

LAT...LON 3698 8423 3719 8426 3732 8356 3696 8350
TIME...MOT...LOC 0342Z 262DEG 37KT 3709 8410 

TORNADO...OBSERVED
TORNADO DAMAGE THREAT...CONSIDERABLE
MAX HAIL SIZE...2.00 IN

$$

VORST

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&quot;Was that for the measles, too?&quot; asked the stranger.

The old man glared at his interrogator, but did not deign to reply.

&quot;Our Congressman, old Jinks, has my claim,&quot; he said, turning to Sam. &quot;But he doesn't seem to be able to do anything with it.&quot;

&quot;He's my uncle,&quot; said Sam, fearing that he might hear something against his worthy relative.

&quot;So you're George Jinks' nephew, are you? Are you goin' to be a captain? Do tell! I read about it in the Slowburgh ''Herald'' last week. I'm real glad to see you. You're the first officer I've seen in ten years except the recruiting officer last week.&quot;

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&quot;Didn't any more men want to go than that?&quot;

&quot;No,&quot; said the old man. &quot;They all want to wear soldier-clothes, but they don't all want to go fighting. They've got up a militia bat-talion for them now, and most everybody in town's got a uniform. I hadn't seen a uniform in the county before in I don't know how long{{mdash}}except firemen, I should say.&quot;

&quot;I'm so glad they've got them now,&quot; cried Sam. &quot;Doesn't it improve the looks of the place? It's so much more homelike and-d-d glorious, don't you think so?&quot;

The old man had no opportunity to reply, as the 'bus now drew up at the front door of the principal hotel. The commercial traveler got out first and went into the house; the old man followed, and turning to Sam as he passed him, he said with a glance at the vanishing stranger:
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He went on toward the bar-room door, but called back as he went:

&quot;If you get lonesome over at Jinks', come in here in the evening. Ask for me: my name's Reddy.&quot;

Sam did not get out of the omnibus, but told the driver to take him to Congressman Jinks'; and on they went, first to the right and then to the left along the wide and gently winding streets, which would have been well shaded with maples if the yellow leaves had not already begun to fall. They drove in at last through a gate in a wooden fence and round a semi-circular lawn to the front of a comfort-able frame house, and in a few moments he was received with open arms by his relations.

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&quot;Well, Samuel, I am glad to see you at last. We know all about you, and we're expecting great things from you,&quot; he cried out in a hearty voice. Sam felt at home at once.

&quot;Come, Mary, show your cousin his room. Here, give me your grip. Yes, you must let me carry it. Now get ready for supper as soon as you can. It's all ready whenever you are.&quot;

After supper they all sat round a wood fire, for it was a little chilly in the evening now. Mr. Jinks had his little girl in his lap, and they talked over family history and the events of the day. Sam asked who Mr. Reddy was whom he had met in the train.

&quot;Oh! you mean old Reddy. Was he drunk? No? That's odd.&quot;

&quot;He'd been away for the day drawing his pension,&quot; said Sam.

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&quot;I should have liked to see Whoppington very much,&quot; said Sam, &quot;but I suppose I must wait till I come back. It must be very different from other cities. You must feel there as if you were at the center of things{{mdash}}at the very mainspring of all our life, I mean.&quot;

&quot;You've hit the nail on the head,&quot; said his uncle. &quot;Whoppington holds up all the rest of the country. There is the Government that makes everything go. There's no business there to speak of; no manufactures, no agriculture in the country round{{mdash}}nothing to distract your attention but the power of the Ad-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 103 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;section end=&quot;Advertisement&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Casts of Current Photoplays&quot; /&gt;''Dunning'', Ben Hewlett; ''Judy Revis'', Dorothy Ward; ''Joe Brown'', Joe Brown; ''Ollie Bogardt'', Roy Stewart; ''Harry Lamsan'', William H. Tooker; ''Society Editor'', Arthur Hoyt.

&quot;SAP, THE&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the play by William Grew. Adapted by Robert Lord. Directed by Archie L. Mayo. The cast: ''The Sap'', Edward Everett Horton; ''Jim Belden'', Alan Hale; ''Betty'', Patsy Ruth Miller; ''The Banker'', Russell Simpson; ''The Wap'', Jerry Mandy; ''Jane'', Edna Murphy; ''Mrs. Sprague'', Louise Carver; ''Ed Mason'', Franklin Pangborn.

&quot;SKIN DEEP&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the story &quot;Lucky Damage&quot; by Marc Edmund Jones. Adapted by Gordon Rigby. Directed by Ray Enright. The cast: ''Joe Daley'', Monte Blue; ''District Attorney Carlson's Son'', Davey Lee; ''Sadie Rogers'', Betty Compson; ''Elsa Langdon'', Alice Day; ''Blackie Culver'', John Davidson; ''District Attorney Carlson'', John Bowers; ''Dippy'', Georgie Stone; ''Doctor Bruce Langdon'', Tully Marshall; ''Tim'', Robert Perry.

&quot;SOPHOMORE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Corey Ford. Adapted by Joseph Franklin Poland. Directed by Leo McCarey. The cast: ''Joe Collins'', Eddie Quillan; ''Margie Callahan'', Sally O'Neil; ''Barbara Lange'', Jeanette Loff; ''Tam Weck'', Stanley Smith; ''Dutch Gehring'', Russell Gleason; ''Mrs. Collins'', Sarah Padden; ''Armstrong'', Brooks Benedict; ''Cupie'', Grady Sutton; ''College Students'', Lew Ayres, Marilyn Morgan, Jimmy Aldine, Dorothy Word, Gretta Tuttle.

&quot;THUNDER&quot;—{{sc|M.-G.-M.}}—From the story by Byron Morgan. Continuity by Ann Price and Byron Morgan. Directed by William Nigh. The cast: ''Grumpy Anderson'', Lon Chaney; ''Tommy'', James Murray; ''Zella'', Phyllis Haver; ''Jim'', George Duryea; ''Molly'', Frances Morris; ''Davey'', Wally Albright, Jr.

&quot;THUNDERBOLT&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by Jules and Charles Furthman. Adapted by Jules Furthman. Directed by Josef Von Sternberg. The cast: ''Thunderbolt Jim Lang'', George Bancroft; Bob Morgan, Richard Arlen; ''Trilby'', Fay Wray; ''Varden'', Tully Marshall; ''Mrs. Morgan'', Eugenie Besserer; ''Snapper O'Shea'', James Spottswood; ''Bad Al Frieberg'', Fred Kohler; ''Kentucky Sampson'', Mike Donlin; ''Negro Convict'', S. S. Stewart; ''Bank Officer'', George Irving; ''Priest'', Robert Elliott; ''Police Inspector'', William Thorne; ''District Attorney'', E. H. Calvert; ''The Dog'', King Tut.

&quot;TIP-OFF, THE&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story by Basil Dickey. Directed by Leigh Jason. The cast: ''Jimmie Lamp'', William Cody: ''&quot;Shrimp&quot; Riley'', George Hackathorne; ''&quot;Crystal Annie,&quot;'' Duane Thompson; ''Capt. McHugh'', L. J. O'Connor; ''Confidence Man'', Jack Singleton; ''Dupe'', Robert Bolder; ''Negro'', Monte Montague; ''Stock Salesman'', Walter Shumway.

&quot;TWO SISTERS&quot;—{{sc|Rayart}}.—From the story by Virginia Terhune Vandewater. Adapted by Arthur Hoerl. Directed by Scott Pembroke. The cast: ''Jean'', Viola Dana; ''Jane'', Viola Dana; ''Allan Rhodes'', Rex Lease; ''Rose'', Claire Du Brey; ''Chumley'', Irving Bacon; ''Cecil'', Boris Karloff; ''Jackson'', Tom Lingham; ''Judge Rhodes'', Tom Curran; ''Mrs. Rhodes'', Adalyn Asbury.

&quot;UNTAMED JUSTICE&quot;—{{sc|Biltmore Productions}}.—From the story by John Francis Hatteford, Directed by Harry Webb. Photography by Arthur Reeves. The cast: ''Louise Hill'', Virginia Browne Fair; ''George Morrow'', David Torrence; ''Herbert Winslow'', Philo McCullough; ''Ann'', Alice Lake; ''Norman Bard'', Gaston Glass; ''The Sheriff'', Sheldon Lewis; ''Arab'', By Arab; ''Muro'', by Muro.

&quot;WHEEL OF LIFE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the play by James Bernard Fagan. Adapted by John Farrow. Dialogue by Julian Johnson. Directed by Victor Schertzinger. The cast: ''Captain Leslie Yeullat'', Richard Dix; ''Ruth Dangan'', Esther Ralston; ''Colonel John Dangen'', O. P. Heggie; ''George Faraker'', Arthut Hoyt; ''Mrs. Faraker'', Myrtle Stedman; ''Major'', Larry Steers; ''Lieut. MacLaren'', Regis Toomey; ''Tsering Lama'', Nigel de Brulier.

&quot;WOMAN FROM HELL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the play by Lois Leeson, George Scarborough and Jaime Del Rio. Adapted by Charles Kenyon and Ray Doyle. Directed by A. F. Erickson. The cast: ''Dee Renaud'', Mary Astor; ''Alf Roslyn'', Robert Armstrong; ''Jim Coakley'', Dean Jagger; ''&quot;Slick&quot; Ericks'', Roy D'Arcy; ''Mother Price'', May Roley; ''Pap Coakley'', James Bradbury, Sr. 

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&quot;SAP, THE&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the play by William Grew. Adapted by Robert Lord. Directed by Archie L. Mayo. The cast: ''The Sap'', Edward Everett Horton; ''Jim Belden'', Alan Hale; ''Betty'', Patsy Ruth Miller; ''The Banker'', Russell Simpson; ''The Wap'', Jerry Mandy; ''Jane'', Edna Murphy; ''Mrs. Sprague'', Louise Carver; ''Ed Mason'', Franklin Pangborn.

&quot;SKIN DEEP&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the story &quot;Lucky Damage&quot; by Marc Edmund Jones. Adapted by Gordon Rigby. Directed by Ray Enright. The cast: ''Joe Daley'', Monte Blue; ''District Attorney Carlson's Son'', Davey Lee; ''Sadie Rogers'', Betty Compson; ''Elsa Langdon'', Alice Day; ''Blackie Culver'', John Davidson; ''District Attorney Carlson'', John Bowers; ''Dippy'', Georgie Stone; ''Doctor Bruce Langdon'', Tully Marshall; ''Tim'', Robert Perry.

&quot;SOPHOMORE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Corey Ford. Adapted by Joseph Franklin Poland. Directed by Leo McCarey. The cast: ''Joe Collins'', Eddie Quillan; ''Margie Callahan'', Sally O'Neil; ''Barbara Lange'', Jeanette Loff; ''Tam Weck'', Stanley Smith; ''Dutch Gehring'', Russell Gleason; ''Mrs. Collins'', Sarah Padden; ''Armstrong'', Brooks Benedict; ''Cupie'', Grady Sutton; ''College Students'', Lew Ayres, Marilyn Morgan, Jimmy Aldine, Dorothy Word, Gretta Tuttle.

&quot;THUNDER&quot;—{{sc|M.-G.-M.}}—From the story by Byron Morgan. Continuity by Ann Price and Byron Morgan. Directed by William Nigh. The cast: ''Grumpy Anderson'', Lon Chaney; ''Tommy'', James Murray; ''Zella'', Phyllis Haver; ''Jim'', George Duryea; ''Molly'', Frances Morris; ''Davey'', Wally Albright, Jr.

&quot;THUNDERBOLT&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by Jules and Charles Furthman. Adapted by Jules Furthman. Directed by Josef Von Sternberg. The cast: ''Thunderbolt Jim Lang'', George Bancroft; Bob Morgan, Richard Arlen; ''Trilby'', Fay Wray; ''Varden'', Tully Marshall; ''Mrs. Morgan'', Eugenie Besserer; ''Snapper O'Shea'', James Spottswood; ''Bad Al Frieberg'', Fred Kohler; ''Kentucky Sampson'', Mike Donlin; ''Negro Convict'', S. S. Stewart; ''Bank Officer'', George Irving; ''Priest'', Robert Elliott; ''Police Inspector'', William Thorne; ''District Attorney'', E. H. Calvert; ''The Dog'', King Tut.

&quot;TIP-OFF, THE&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story by Basil Dickey. Directed by Leigh Jason. The cast: ''Jimmie Lamp'', William Cody: ''&quot;Shrimp&quot; Riley'', George Hackathorne; ''&quot;Crystal Annie,&quot;'' Duane Thompson; ''Capt. McHugh'', L. J. O'Connor; ''Confidence Man'', Jack Singleton; ''Dupe'', Robert Bolder; ''Negro'', Monte Montague; ''Stock Salesman'', Walter Shumway.

&quot;TWO SISTERS&quot;—{{sc|Rayart}}.—From the story by Virginia Terhune Vandewater. Adapted by Arthur Hoerl. Directed by Scott Pembroke. The cast: ''Jean'', Viola Dana; ''Jane'', Viola Dana; ''Allan Rhodes'', Rex Lease; ''Rose'', Claire Du Brey; ''Chumley'', Irving Bacon; ''Cecil'', Boris Karloff; ''Jackson'', Tom Lingham; ''Judge Rhodes'', Tom Curran; ''Mrs. Rhodes'', Adalyn Asbury.

&quot;UNTAMED JUSTICE&quot;—{{sc|Biltmore Productions}}.—From the story by John Francis Hatteford, Directed by Harry Webb. Photography by Arthur Reeves. The cast: ''Louise Hill'', Virginia Browne Fair; ''George Morrow'', David Torrence; ''Herbert Winslow'', Philo McCullough; ''Ann'', Alice Lake; ''Norman Bard'', Gaston Glass; ''The Sheriff'', Sheldon Lewis; ''Arab'', By Arab; ''Muro'', by Muro.

&quot;WHEEL OF LIFE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the play by James Bernard Fagan. Adapted by John Farrow. Dialogue by Julian Johnson. Directed by Victor Schertzinger. The cast: ''Captain Leslie Yeullat'', Richard Dix; ''Ruth Dangan'', Esther Ralston; ''Colonel John Dangen'', O. P. Heggie; ''George Faraker'', Arthut Hoyt; ''Mrs. Faraker'', Myrtle Stedman; ''Major'', Larry Steers; ''Lieut. MacLaren'', Regis Toomey; ''Tsering Lama'', Nigel de Brulier.

&quot;WOMAN FROM HELL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the play by Lois Leeson, George Scarborough and Jaime Del Rio. Adapted by Charles Kenyon and Ray Doyle. Directed by A. F. Erickson. The cast: ''Dee Renaud'', Mary Astor; ''Alf Roslyn'', Robert Armstrong; ''Jim Coakley'', Dean Jagger; ''&quot;Slick&quot; Ericks'', Roy D'Arcy; ''Mother Price'', May Roley; ''Pap Coakley'', James Bradbury, Sr. 

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Casts of Current Photoplays&quot; /&gt;''Dunning'', Ben Hewlett; ''Judy Revis'', Dorothy Ward; ''Joe Brown'', Joe Brown; ''Ollie Bogardt'', Roy Stewart; ''Harry Lamsan'', William H. Tooker; ''Society Editor'', Arthur Hoyt.

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&quot;SOPHOMORE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Corey Ford. Adapted by Joseph Franklin Poland. Directed by Leo McCarey. The cast: ''Joe Collins'', Eddie Quillan; ''Margie Callahan'', Sally O'Neil; ''Barbara Lange'', Jeanette Loff; ''Tam Weck'', Stanley Smith; ''Dutch Gehring'', Russell Gleason; ''Mrs. Collins'', Sarah Padden; ''Armstrong'', Brooks Benedict; ''Cupie'', Grady Sutton; ''College Students'', Lew Ayres, Marilyn Morgan, Jimmy Aldine, Dorothy Word, Gretta Tuttle.

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&quot;TIP-OFF, THE&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story by Basil Dickey. Directed by Leigh Jason. The cast: ''Jimmie Lamp'', William Cody: ''&quot;Shrimp&quot; Riley'', George Hackathorne; ''&quot;Crystal Annie,&quot;'' Duane Thompson; ''Capt. McHugh'', L. J. O'Connor; ''Confidence Man'', Jack Singleton; ''Dupe'', Robert Bolder; ''Negro'', Monte Montague; ''Stock Salesman'', Walter Shumway.

&quot;TWO SISTERS&quot;—{{sc|Rayart}}.—From the story by Virginia Terhune Vandewater. Adapted by Arthur Hoerl. Directed by Scott Pembroke. The cast: ''Jean'', Viola Dana; ''Jane'', Viola Dana; ''Allan Rhodes'', Rex Lease; ''Rose'', Claire Du Brey; ''Chumley'', Irving Bacon; ''Cecil'', Boris Karloff; ''Jackson'', Tom Lingham; ''Judge Rhodes'', Tom Curran; ''Mrs. Rhodes'', Adalyn Asbury.

&quot;UNTAMED JUSTICE&quot;—{{sc|Biltmore Productions}}.—From the story by John Francis Hatteford, Directed by Harry Webb. Photography by Arthur Reeves. The cast: ''Louise Hill'', Virginia Browne Fair; ''George Morrow'', David Torrence; ''Herbert Winslow'', Philo McCullough; ''Ann'', Alice Lake; ''Norman Bard'', Gaston Glass; ''The Sheriff'', Sheldon Lewis; ''Arab'', By Arab; ''Muro'', by Muro.

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&quot;WOMAN FROM HELL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the play by Lois Leeson, George Scarborough and Jaime Del Rio. Adapted by Charles Kenyon and Ray Doyle. Directed by A. F. Erickson. The cast: ''Dee Renaud'', Mary Astor; ''Alf Roslyn'', Robert Armstrong; ''Jim Coakley'', Dean Jagger; ''&quot;Slick&quot; Ericks'', Roy D'Arcy; ''Mother Price'', May Roley; ''Pap Coakley'', James Bradbury, Sr. 

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&quot;Wouldn't we have breakfast to-morrow morning, papa?&quot; asked the little girl in his lap.

&quot;Er-er-well, perhaps we might have breakfast{{longdash}}&quot;

&quot;Wouldn't we have clothes, papa?&quot;

&quot;Perhaps we might have{{mdash}}but no, we couldn't either; it's the tariff that gives us our clothes by keeping all foreign clothes out of the country, and then we shouldn't have er-er{{longdash}}&quot;

&quot;It would upset the post-office,&quot; suggested Sam, coming to the rescue.

&quot;Yes, to be sure, that is what I meant. It would cause a serious delay in the mails, that's certain.&quot;

&quot;And then there would be no soldiers,&quot; added Sam.
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&quot;I shouldn't like it at all, papa.&quot;

&quot;Yes, my dear boy,&quot; he proceeded, turning to Sam, &quot;I would not want to have it repeated in my district, but I confess that I am always homesick for Whoppington when I am here. That's the real world there. There's the State Department where they manage all the foreign affairs of the world. What could we do without foreign affairs? And the Agricultural Department. How could we get in our crops without it? And the Labor Department. Every man who does a day's work depends on the Labor Department for his living, we may say. And the{{longdash}}&quot;

&quot;The War Department,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;Yes, the War Department. We depend on that for our wars. Perhaps at first that does not seem to be so useful, but{{longdash}}&quot;

&quot;Oh! but, Uncle George, surely it is the most useful of all. What could we do without wars. Just fancy a country without wars!&quot;
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&quot;And then the Treasury Department depends a good deal on the War Department,&quot; said Sam, in triumph, &quot;for without the War Department and the army it wouldn't have any pensions to pay.&quot;

&quot;That's so.&quot;

&quot;Papa,&quot; said Mary Jinks, who had modestly taken no part in a conversation whose wisdom was clearly beyond her comprehension{{mdash}}&quot;papa, why didn't everybody go to the war like Mr. Reddy, and then they'd all have pensions and nobody'd have to work.&quot;

&quot;It's their own fault if they didn't,&quot; answered her father; &quot;and if some people are overworked they have only their own selves to thank for it. I have no patience with the complaints of these socialists and anarchists that the poor are getting poorer and the num-ber of unemployed increasing. In a country with pensions and war taxes and a tariff there's no excuse for poverty at all.&quot;

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Sam, &quot;they could all enlist if they wanted to.&quot;
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&quot;Here's my friend, Captain Jinks,&quot; said a husky voice which Sam recognized as that of old Reddy. &quot;Here, take this chair near the fire.&quot;

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&quot;Glad to make your acquaintance, Captain,&quot; he drawled in a half-cracked voice that suggested damaged lungs and vocal organs.

&quot;Shake hands with Mr. Tucker.&quot;

Mr. Tucker, a little, old, red-faced man on the other side of the stove, advanced and went through the ceremony suggested.

&quot;We were just a-talking about them Cubapinos,&quot; explained Reddy. &quot;The idee of them fellers a-pitching into us after all we've done for 'em. It's outrageous. They're only monkeys anyway, and they ought to be shot, every mother's son on 'em. Haven't we freed 'em from the cruel Castalians that they've been hating so for three hundred years?&quot;

&quot;They seem to be hating is pretty well just now,&quot; said a man in the corner, whose voice sounded familiar to Sam. He turned and recognized the commercial traveler of the day before.

&quot;They're welcome to hate us,&quot; answered&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 109 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I fear,&quot; said Sam, &quot;that they don't quite understand the great blessings we're conferring on them.&quot;

&quot;What blessings?&quot; asked the drummer.

&quot;Why,&quot; said Sam, &quot;liberty and independence no, I don't mean independence exactly, but liberty and freedom.&quot;

&quot;Then why don't we leave them alone instead of fighting them?&quot;

&quot;What an idee!&quot; exclaimed Tucker. &quot;They don't know what liberty is, and we must teach 'em if we have to blow their brains out.&quot;

&quot;You're too hard on 'em, Tucker,&quot; drawled Mr. Jackson. &quot;We mustn't expect too much from pore savages who live in a country so hot that they can't progress like we do.&quot; Here Mr. Jackson took off his hat and wiped thef&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 110 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The same is true for public health, where the Federal Government currently lacks an effective operational capability to screen all illegal aliens crossing the southern border for communicable diseases of public-health concern, as required by section 212(a)(1) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(1). Effectively no aliens who illegally enter the United States provide Federal officials at the southern border with their comprehensive health information, as a lawful immigrant would. As a result, innumerable aliens potentially carrying communicable diseases of public health significance illegally cross the southern border and enter communities across the United States.

Over the last 4 years, at least 8 million illegal aliens were encountered along the southern border of the United States, and countless millions more evaded detection and illegally entered the United States. The sheer number of aliens entering the United States has overwhelmed the system and rendered many of the INA’s provisions ineffective, including those previously described that are intended to prevent aliens posing threats to public health, safety, and national security from entering the United States. As a result, millions of aliens who potentially pose significant threats to health, safety, and national security have moved into communities nationwide.

This ongoing influx of illegal aliens across the southern border of the United States has placed significant costs and constraints upon the States, which have collectively spent billions of dollars in providing medical care and related human services, and have spent considerable amounts on increased law enforcement costs associated with the presence of these illegal aliens within their boundaries.

In joining the Union, the States agreed to surrender much of their sovereignty and join the Union in exchange for the Federal Government’s promise in Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, to ‘‘protect each of [the States] against Invasion.’’ I have determined that the current state of the southern border reveals that the Federal Government has failed in fulfilling this obligation to the States and hereby declare that an invasion is ongoing at the southern border, which requires the Federal Government to take measures to fulfill its obligation to the States.

The INA provides the President with certain emergency tools. For example, it states that ‘‘[w]henever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.’’ 8 U.S.C. 1182(f). This statute ‘‘exudes deference to the President in every clause.’’ ''Trump'' v. ''Hawaii,'' 585 U.S. 667, 684 (2018). Further, the INA renders it unlawful for ‘‘any alien to depart from or enter or attempt to depart from or enter the United States except under such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe.’’ 8 U.S.C. 1185(a)(1).

Historically, Presidents have used these statutory authorities to deny entry of designated classes and categories of aliens into the United States through ports of entry. But if the President has the power to deny entry of any alien into the United States, and to impose any restrictions as he may deem appropriate, this authority necessarily includes the right to deny the physical entry of aliens into the United States and impose restrictions on access to portions of the immigration system, particularly when the number of aliens illegally crossing the southern border prevents the Federal Government from obtaining operational control of the border.

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&quot;That's a fact!&quot; said some one in the throng.

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Jackson, crossing his legs on a level well above his head, &quot;them pore critters need our civilization, that's what they need,&quot; and he dexterously squirted a mouthful of tobacco juice on the white-hot stove, where it sizzled and gradually evaporated. &quot;We must make real men of 'em. We must give 'em our strength and vigor and intelligence. They're a dirty lot of lazy beggars, that's the long and short of it, and we must turn 'em into gentlemen like us!&quot;

A general murmur of approval followed this outburst.

&quot;I hear,&quot; said Sam, anxious to get some definite information as to the warriors of the town, &quot;I hear that several Slowburghers are going to the war.&quot;

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''Lignite.''—Deposits of lignite occur widely distributed throughout New Zealand, and in Otago and Southland, as pointed out by Dr. Hector (Jurors' Rep. N.Z. Ex., 1865, p. 374); they occur scattered over the surface of the primitive slate rocks of the interior. They are of recent tertiary age, being only overlaid by the newer drifts in the form of brick clays, ferruginous gravels, silts and shingle terraces. One of the most important of these lignite deposits is that near Mataura, in Southland, where a seam from 6 feet to 20 feet in thickness is worked by a number of small open casts for the local requirements of the district, and another important deposit of a similar nature, but from 9 feet to 30 feet thick, is also worked in the interior of Otago at Naseby, Kyeburn, and Hyde. Besides these, many less important deposits of lignite occur throughout New Zealand; thus near Te Anau Lake there are seams about 2 feet thick, and throughout the Lower Waikato basin and near Raglan further deposits occur, some of the outcrops being several feet in thickness, but they are not worked owing to brown coals being more accessible and of better quality. Between&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;The village ought to be glad they are going to represent her at the front,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;From all I can hear,&quot; said the commercial man, &quot;I think they are.&quot;

&quot;Naturally,&quot; cried Sam, &quot;it will reflect great glory on the place. You ought to be proud of them.&quot;

&quot;It'll help the insurance business here,&quot; said a young man who had not yet spoken.

&quot;How is that?&quot; asked Sam. &quot;I don't exactly see.&quot;

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&quot;Nothin' ain't ever been proved against 'em,&quot; said Tucker.

&quot;That's true,&quot; said the young man, &quot;but perhaps there might have been if they'd stayed. They say that Squire Jones was going to have Josh Thatcher arrested next week for his barn, but he's agreed to let up if he'd go to the Cubapines. Maybe that isn't true, but they say so.&quot;

&quot;I venture to say that it is a mistake,&quot; said Sam, who had been much pained by the conversation. &quot;Young men who are so patriotic in the hour of need must be men of high character.&quot;

&quot;Maybe they are and maybe they aren't,&quot; replied the insurance agent, &quot;but old Mrs. Crane told me she was going to buy chickens again next week for her chicken-yard. There was so many stolen last year that she gave up keeping them, but next week she's beginning again, and next week the Thatchers are going away. It's a coincidence, anyhow.&quot;
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&quot;Nothin' ain't ever been proved against 'em,&quot; said Tucker.

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The door had opened, and through the smoke Sam descried two young men, one a slight wiry fellow, the other a large, broad-shouldered, fair-haired man with a dull expression of the eye.

&quot;Who says 'drinks all around'?&quot; cried the former. &quot;Everybody's blowing us off now.&quot;

&quot;Here,&quot; said Jackson, waking up, &quot;I'll do it, hanged if I don't. You fellows are a-goin' to civilize the Cubapinos, and you deserve all the liquor you can carry.&quot;

He got up and approached the bar and the crowd followed him, and soon every one was supplied with some kind of beverage.

&quot;Here's to Thatcher and Slade! May they represent Slowburgh honorably in the Cuba-pines and show 'em what Slowburghers are like,&quot; said Jackson, elevating his iced cocktail. The health was heartily drunk.

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&quot;Speech, speech!&quot; exclaimed the convivial crowd.

&quot;Gentlemen,&quot; responded Sam, &quot;I am a soldier and not an orator, but I am proud to have my name coupled with those of your honored fellow townsmen. It is a sign of the greatness of our country that men of just the same character are in all quarters of this mighty republic answering their country's call. Soon we shall have the very pick of our youth collected on the shores of these ungrateful islanders who have turned against their best friends, and these misguided people will see for themselves the fruits of our civilization as we see it, in the persons of our soldiers. Permit me in responding to your flattering toast to propose the names of Mr. Reddy and Mr. Tucker as representatives of an older generation of patriots whose example we are happy to have before us for our guidance.&quot;

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By the power vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, I have determined that the current situation at the southern border qualifies as an invasion under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States. Accordingly, I am issuing this Proclamation based on my express and inherent powers in Article II of the Constitution of the United States, and in faithful execution of the immigration laws passed by the Congress, and suspending the physical entry of aliens involved in an invasion into the United States across the southern border until I determine that the invasion has concluded.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, hereby direct as follows:

{{EOsection|1|title=Suspension of Entry}} I hereby proclaim, pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), that the entry into the United States on or after the date of this order of aliens engaged in the invasion across the southern border is detrimental to the interests of the United States. I therefore direct that entry into the United States of such aliens be suspended until I issue a finding that the invasion at the southern border has ceased.

{{EOsection|2|title=Imposition of Restrictions on Entry for Aliens Invading the United States}} I hereby proclaim, pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), that aliens engaged in the invasion across the southern border of the United States on or after the date of this proclamation are restricted from invoking provisions of the INA that would permit their continued presence in the United States, including, but not limited to, section 208 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1158, until I issue a finding that the invasion at the southern border has ceased.

{{EOsection|3|title=Suspension of and Restriction on Entry for Aliens Posing Public Health, Safety, or National Security Risks}} I hereby proclaim, pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), that the entry into the United States, on or after the date of this order, of any alien who fails, before entering the United States, to provide Federal officials with sufficient medical information and reliable criminal history and background information as to enable fulfillment of the requirements of sections 212(a)(1)–(3) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(1)–(3), is detrimental to the interests of the United States. I therefore direct that entry into the United States of such aliens be suspended and restrict their access to provisions of the INA that would permit their continued presence in the United States, including, but not limited to, section 208 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1158.

{{EOsection|4|title=Constitutional Suspension of Physical Entry}} Under the authorities provided to me under Article II of the Constitution of the United States, including my control over foreign affairs, and to effectuate the guarantee of protection against invasion required by Article IV, Section 4, I hereby suspend the physical entry of any alien engaged in the invasion across the southern border of the United States, and direct the Secretary of Homeland Security, in coordination with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, to take appropriate actions as may be necessary to achieve the&lt;noinclude&gt;{{EOfooter}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''Brown Coal.''—The principal deposits of brown coal in New Zealand belong to the cretaceo-tertiary formation, and, as pointed out by Dr. Hector (Geol. Rep., 1878–79, p. 7), they are always at the base of the marine portion of the series in every locality where they occur. They always rest upon the basement rock of the district, marking a great unconformity and a long-persistent land area at this period.

Thus they are overlaid by the ''Leda'' marls in the Waikato, the fucoidal greensands at Whangarei, and by the island sandstone in Otago and on the West Coast of the South Island.

They are the most widely-distributed class of coals, being largely represented in Auckland, Canterbury, Otago, Southland, and Nelson.

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In Nelson there are a few seams of brown coal, none of which are at present being worked. Amongst these is a highly-inclined seam at Richmond near the town of Nelson, another at Karamea, and at Charleston, near Westport, a large seam of brown coal occurs over a considerable area of flat country, but is not worked since coal of better quality is near at hand. Taking an average of the analyses which have been made of these coals, their composition is as follows:—

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&quot;I'm sure I don't know,&quot; said Sam. &quot;I must leave that to you. They sound to me rather too flattering, but if you are sure that is the way those things are always done, I won't make any objection. You might ask Mr. Jonas. Where is he?&quot;

&quot;He's going on next week. He's the greatest fellow I ever saw. Everything he touches turns to gold. He's got his grip on everything in sight on those blessed islands already. He's scarcely started, and he could sell out his interests there for a cold million to-day. It's going to be a big company to grab everything. He's called it the 'Benevolent Assimilation Company, Limited'; rather a good name, I think, tho perhaps 'Unlimited' would be nearer the truth.&quot;

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&quot;I'm sure I don't know,&quot; said Sam. &quot;I must leave that to you. They sound to me rather too flattering, but if you are sure that is the way those things are always done, I won't make any objection. You might ask Mr. Jonas. Where is he?&quot;

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&quot;What do you mean?&quot; asked Sam.

&quot;Why, you are to write articles for them, a regular series, and the price is to be fixed on a sliding scale according to your celebrity at the time of each publication. It won't be less than a hundred dollars a page, and may run up to a thousand. It wouldn't be fair to fix the price ahead. If the articles run say six months, the last article might be worth ten times as much as the first.&quot;

&quot;Yes, it might be better written,&quot; said Sam.

&quot;Oh, I don't mean that. But your name might be more of an ad by that time.&quot;

&quot;I've never written anything to print in my life,&quot; said Sam, &quot;and I'm not sure I can.&quot;

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{{EOsection|5|title=Operational Actions to Repel the Invasion}} The Secretary of Homeland Security, in coordination with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, shall take all appropriate action to repel, repatriate, or remove any alien engaged in the invasion across the southern border of the United States on or after the date of this order, whether as an exercise of the suspension power in section 212(f) and 215(a) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), or as an exercise of my delegated authority under the Constitution of the United States, until I issue a finding that the invasion at the southern border has ceased.

{{EOsection|6|title=General Provisions}} {{EOsubsection|6|a}} Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

{{EOsubsection|6|a|i|content=the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or}}

{{EOsubsection|6|a|ii|content=the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.}}

{{EOsubsection|6|b}} This proclamation shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

{{EOsubsection|6|c}} This proclamation is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-ninth.

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&quot;Well, here we are actually off and I haven't got anything to do for a change. This is what I call comfort.&quot;

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Sam, &quot;but I wish we were in the Cubapines. This inaction is terrible while so much is at stake. It's a consolation to know that I am going to help to save the country, but it is tantalizing to wait so long. Then in your own way you're going to help the country too,&quot; he added, thinking that he might seem to Cleary to be monopolizing the honors.

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'''[p132]''' MR. JUSTICE STEWART, concurring.


While I join Parts I and II of the Court's opinion, and the opinion in Part III, my views closely approach those expressed by MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS concurring in the judgment.

'''[p133]''' The First Amendment prohibits the Government from imposing controls upon the press.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; Private broadcasters are surely part of the press. ''United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', [[334 U.S. 131]], 166. Yet here the Court of Appeals held, and the dissenters today agree, that the First Amendment ''requires'' the Government to impose controls upon private broadcasters—in order to preserve First Amendment &quot;values.&quot; The appellate court accomplished this strange convolution by the simple device of holding that private broadcasters ''are'' Government. This is a step along the path that could eventually lead to the proposition that private ''newspapers'' &quot;are&quot; Government. Freedom of the press would then be gone. In its place we would have such governmental controls upon the press as a majority of this Court at any particular moment might consider First Amendment &quot;values&quot; to require. It is a frightening specter.


==I==

There is some first-blush appeal in seeking out analogies from areas of the law where governmental involvement on the part of otherwise private parties has led the Court to hold that certain activities of those parties were tantamount to governmental action.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt; The evolution of the &quot;state action&quot; concept under the Fourteenth Amendment is one available analogy.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;/&gt; Another is the decision of this '''[p134]''' Court in ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]], where a policy of a privately owned but publicly regulated bus company that had been approved by the regulatory commission was held to active Firste Amendment review. The First Amendment has also been held applicable where private parties control essentially public forums. ''Amalgamated Food Employees v. Logan Valley Plaza'', [[391 U.S. 308]], ''Marsh v. Alabama'', [[326 U.S. 501]]; cf. ''Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner'', [[407 U.S. 551]].

The problem before us, however, is too complex to admit of solution by simply analogizing to cases in very different areas. For we deal here with the electronic press, that is itself protected from Government by the First Amendment.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;/&gt; Before woodenly accepting analogies from cases dealing with quasi-public racial discrimination, regulated industries other than the press, or &quot;company towns,&quot; we must look more closely at the structure of broadcasting and the limits of governmental regulation of licensees.

When Congress enacted the Radio Act of 1927, 44 Stat. 1162, and followed it with the Federal Communications Act of 1934, 48 Stat. 1064, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:151%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section151)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 151] ''et seq.'', it was responding to a then-evident need to regulate access to the public airwaves. Not every member of the public could broadcast over the air as he chose, since the scarcity '''[p135]''' of frequencies made this a sure road to chaos.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;/&gt; The system selected by the Congress was a hybrid. The Federal Radio Commission (succeeded by the Federal Communications Commission), was to license broadcasters for no more than three-year period. [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:307%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section307)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 307 (d)]. The licensees, though subject to some public regulation, were to be private companies.

Scarcity meant more than a need to limit access. Because access was to be limited, it was thought necessary for the regulatory apparatus to take into account the public interest in obtaining &quot;the best practicable service to the community reached by his [the licensee's] broadcasts.&quot; ''FCC v. Sanders Brothers Radio Station'', [[309 U.S. 642|309 U.S. 470]], 475. Public regulation has not, then, been merely a matter of electromagnetic engineering for the sake of keeping signals clear. It has also included some regulation of programming. Writing in defense of Commission regulations regarding chain broadcasting, Mr. Justice Frankfurter said: &quot;These provisions [of the Act], individually and in the aggregate, preclude the notion that the Commission is empowered to deal only with technical and engineering impediments to the 'larger and more effective use of radio in the public interest.'&quot; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]], 217.

Over time, federal regulation of broadcasting in the public interest has been extensive, and ''pro tanto'', has rightly or wrongly been held to be tolerable under the First Amendment. We now have the Fairness Doctrine, with its personal-attack, editorial-reply, and fair-coverage-of-controversial-issue requirements.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;/&gt; In ''Red Lion'' '''[p136]''' ''Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]], this Doctrine was held to constitute permissible governmental regulation of broadcasters, despite the First Amendment. The Court said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Where there are substantially more individuals who want to broadcast than there are frequencies to allocate, it is idle to posit an unabridgeable First Amendment right to broadcast comparable to the right of every individual to speak, write, or publish....

......

&quot;...Because of the scarcity of radio frequencies, the Government is permitted to put restraints on licensees in favor of others whose views should be expressed on this unique medium. But the people as a whole retain their interest in free speech by radio and their collective right to have the medium function consistently with the ends and purposes of the First Amendment. It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.&quot; ''Id.'', at 388, 390.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Fairness Doctrine has been held applicable to paid advertising as well as to other programming, ''Banzhaf v. FCC'', 132 U.S. App. D.C. 14, 405 F.2d 1082. And the public interest in broadcasting has been recognized as a rationale for liberalized standing on the part of listener '''[p137]''' groups in Commission licensing proceedings. ''Office of Communication of United Church of Christ v. FCC'', 123 U.S. App. D.C. 328, 359 F.2d 994.

Throughout this long history of regulation, however, it has been recognized that broadcasters retain important freedoms, and that the Commission's regulatory power has limits. Quite apart from what may be required by the First Amendment itself, the regulatory legislation makes clear what some of these freedoms are. Section 3 (h) of the Act, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:153%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section153)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 153 (h)], provides that broadcasters are not to be treated as common carriers. Were broadcasters common carriers within the meaning of the Act, they would be subject to [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:201%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section201)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. §§ 201], [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:202%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section202)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 202]. Section 201 provides, in pertinent part, that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;(a) It shall be the duty of every common carrier engaged in interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio to furnish such communication service upon reasonable request therefor....&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;U.S. Const., Amdt. I, provides, in pertinent part, that &quot;Congress shall make no law.... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press....&quot;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;See ''Amalgamated Food Employees v. Logan Valley Plaza'', [[391 U.S. 308]]; ''Railway Employee Dept. v. Hanson'', [[351 U.S. 225]]; ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]]; ''Marsh v. Alabama'', [[326 U.S. 501]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;&gt;&quot;Conduct that is formally 'private' may become so entwined, with governmental policies or so impregnated with a governmental character as to become subject to the constitutional limitations placed upon state action.&quot; ''Evans v. Newton'', [[382 U.S. 296]], 299. Earlier, in ''Burton v. Wilmington Parking Authority'', [[365 U.S. 715]], the Court held that a privately owned restaurant located within a public parking garage was sufficiently involved with state authority to bring its racially discriminatory actions within the proscription of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;&gt;See, ''e.g., United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', [[334 U.S. 131]], 166. The Federal Communications Act also prohibits the Commission from interfering with &quot;the right of free speech by means of radio communication.&quot; [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:326%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section326)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 326].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;&gt;For a history of rgulatory legislation regarding broadcasters, see ''Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]], 375-386; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]], 210-214.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;&gt;The personal-attack and editorial-reply rules appear at 47 CFR §§ 73.123, 73.300, 73.598, 73.679. The public issue aspect of the Fairness Doctrine requires the broadcaster to give adequate coverage to public issues, fairly reflecting divergent views. ''United Broadcasting Co.'', 10 F.C.C. 515; ''New Broadcasting Co.'', 6 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 258; see generally Applicability of the Fairness Doctrine in the Handling of Controversial Issues of Public Importance, 29 Fed. Reg. 10415. This coverage must be provided at the broadcaster's own expense if necessary, ''Culman Broadcasting Co.'', 25 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 895, and the duty must be met by providing programming obtained at the licensee's own initiative if it is available from no other source. ''John J. Dempsey'', 6 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 615.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref7&quot;&gt;Government is not restrained by the First Amendment from controlling its own expression, cf. ''New York Times Co. v. United States'', [[403 U.S. 713]], 728-729 (STEWART, J., concurring). As Professor Thomas Emerson has written, &quot;The purpose of the First Amendment is to protect private expression and nothing in the guarantee precludes the government from controlling its own expression or that of its agents.&quot; The System of Freedom of Expression 700 (1970).
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref8&quot;&gt;&quot;[T]he right to speak can flourish. only if it is allowed to operate in an effective forum—whether it be a public park, a schoolroom, a town meeting hall, a soapbox, or a radio and television frequency.&quot; ''Post'', at 193.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref9&quot;&gt;Professor Emerson has recognized the scope of the &quot;access&quot; argument: &quot;The licensee therefore can only be considered as the agent of the government, or trustee of the public, in a process of further allocation. Hence the licensee would have no direct First Amendment rights of his own, except as to his own expression.&quot; ''Supra'', n. 7, at 663.
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Though the licensee would be free to say what it wished during its own broadcasting, whatever that might mean, it seems clear that, the licensee would have no special claim to broadcast time and would lose entirely the freedom to program and schedule according to its own judgment, values, and priorities. Cf. ''Police Dept. of Chicago v. Mosley'', [[408 U.S. 92]], 98; ''Cox v. Louisiana'', [[379 U.S. 536]], 554; Poulos v. New Hampshire, [[345 U.S. 395]]; ''Cox v. New Hampshire'', [[312 U.S. 569]]. Licensees would be forced to develop a procedurally fair and substantively nondiscriminatory system for controlling access, and in my view this is precisely what Congress intended to avoid through § 3 (h) of the Act.
&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref10&quot;&gt;''Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]]; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]]; ''FCC v. Sanders Brothers Radio Station'', [[309 U.S. 470]]; ''FCC v. Pottsville Broadcasting Co.'', [[309 U.S. 134]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref11&quot;&gt;one of this suggests any disagreement on my part with the evolution of &quot;state action&quot; under the Fourteenth Amendment. I recognize that if ''Moose Lodge No. 107 v. Irvis'', [[407 U.S. 163]], were relevant, the fact that the Commission considered and rejected a challenge to broadcaster policy might be sufficient to constitute &quot;state action.&quot; This, in fact, was the basis of the Court's decision in ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref12&quot;&gt;The basis for a Fairness Doctrine is statutory, not constitutional. As the Court said in ''Red Lion'':
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In light of the fact that the 'public interest' in broadcasting clearly encompasses the presentation of vigorous debate of controversial issues of importance and concern to the public; the fact that the FCC has rested upon that language from its very inception a doctrine that these issues must be discussed, and fairly; and the fact that Congress has acknowledged that the analogous provisions of § 315 are not preclusive in this area, and knowingly preserved the FCC's complementary efforts, we think the fairness doctrine and its component personal attack and political editorializing regulations are a legitimate exercise of congressionally delegated authority.&quot; 395 U.S., at 385.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref13&quot;&gt;The Democratic National Committee cited this very lack of uniformity as a reason for seeking a declaratory ruling from the Commission. There was too much diversity, it thought, for it to plan effectively an advertising campaign. In the DNC's request for a declaratory ruling before the Commission, it stated:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In addition to the three national commercial networks, as of April 1, 1970, there were, on the air, 509 commercial VHF television stations, 180 commercial UHF stations, 4,280 standard broadcast stations, and 2,111 commercial FM stations. While several of these stations have common owners, it does not necessarily follow that every station owned by an individual or group would follow the same policies.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref14&quot;&gt; There are 1,792 daily newspapers in the United States. Ayer Directory of Publications VIII (1973). Compare the number of broadcasters, n. 13, ''supra''.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref15&quot;&gt;Newspapers and other periodicals receive a Government subsidy in the form of second-class postage rates, 39 CFR § 132. An antitrust immunity is established by the Newspaper Preservation Act, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:15%20section:1801%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title15-section1801)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 15 U.S.C. § 1801] et seq.
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'''[p132]''' MR. JUSTICE STEWART, concurring.


While I join Parts I and II of the Court's opinion, and the opinion in Part III, my views closely approach those expressed by MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS concurring in the judgment.

'''[p133]''' The First Amendment prohibits the Government from imposing controls upon the press.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; Private broadcasters are surely part of the press. ''United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', [[334 U.S. 131]], 166. Yet here the Court of Appeals held, and the dissenters today agree, that the First Amendment ''requires'' the Government to impose controls upon private broadcasters—in order to preserve First Amendment &quot;values.&quot; The appellate court accomplished this strange convolution by the simple device of holding that private broadcasters ''are'' Government. This is a step along the path that could eventually lead to the proposition that private ''newspapers'' &quot;are&quot; Government. Freedom of the press would then be gone. In its place we would have such governmental controls upon the press as a majority of this Court at any particular moment might consider First Amendment &quot;values&quot; to require. It is a frightening specter.


==I==

There is some first-blush appeal in seeking out analogies from areas of the law where governmental involvement on the part of otherwise private parties has led the Court to hold that certain activities of those parties were tantamount to governmental action.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt; The evolution of the &quot;state action&quot; concept under the Fourteenth Amendment is one available analogy.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;/&gt; Another is the decision of this '''[p134]''' Court in ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]], where a policy of a privately owned but publicly regulated bus company that had been approved by the regulatory commission was held to active Firste Amendment review. The First Amendment has also been held applicable where private parties control essentially public forums. ''Amalgamated Food Employees v. Logan Valley Plaza'', [[391 U.S. 308]], ''Marsh v. Alabama'', [[326 U.S. 501]]; cf. ''Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner'', [[407 U.S. 551]].

The problem before us, however, is too complex to admit of solution by simply analogizing to cases in very different areas. For we deal here with the electronic press, that is itself protected from Government by the First Amendment.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;/&gt; Before woodenly accepting analogies from cases dealing with quasi-public racial discrimination, regulated industries other than the press, or &quot;company towns,&quot; we must look more closely at the structure of broadcasting and the limits of governmental regulation of licensees.

When Congress enacted the Radio Act of 1927, 44 Stat. 1162, and followed it with the Federal Communications Act of 1934, 48 Stat. 1064, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:151%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section151)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 151] ''et seq.'', it was responding to a then-evident need to regulate access to the public airwaves. Not every member of the public could broadcast over the air as he chose, since the scarcity '''[p135]''' of frequencies made this a sure road to chaos.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;/&gt; The system selected by the Congress was a hybrid. The Federal Radio Commission (succeeded by the Federal Communications Commission), was to license broadcasters for no more than three-year period. [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:307%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section307)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 307 (d)]. The licensees, though subject to some public regulation, were to be private companies.

Scarcity meant more than a need to limit access. Because access was to be limited, it was thought necessary for the regulatory apparatus to take into account the public interest in obtaining &quot;the best practicable service to the community reached by his [the licensee's] broadcasts.&quot; ''FCC v. Sanders Brothers Radio Station'', [[309 U.S. 642|309 U.S. 470]], 475. Public regulation has not, then, been merely a matter of electromagnetic engineering for the sake of keeping signals clear. It has also included some regulation of programming. Writing in defense of Commission regulations regarding chain broadcasting, Mr. Justice Frankfurter said: &quot;These provisions [of the Act], individually and in the aggregate, preclude the notion that the Commission is empowered to deal only with technical and engineering impediments to the 'larger and more effective use of radio in the public interest.'&quot; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]], 217.

Over time, federal regulation of broadcasting in the public interest has been extensive, and ''pro tanto'', has rightly or wrongly been held to be tolerable under the First Amendment. We now have the Fairness Doctrine, with its personal-attack, editorial-reply, and fair-coverage-of-controversial-issue requirements.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;/&gt; In ''Red Lion'' '''[p136]''' ''Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]], this Doctrine was held to constitute permissible governmental regulation of broadcasters, despite the First Amendment. The Court said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Where there are substantially more individuals who want to broadcast than there are frequencies to allocate, it is idle to posit an unabridgeable First Amendment right to broadcast comparable to the right of every individual to speak, write, or publish....

......

&quot;...Because of the scarcity of radio frequencies, the Government is permitted to put restraints on licensees in favor of others whose views should be expressed on this unique medium. But the people as a whole retain their interest in free speech by radio and their collective right to have the medium function consistently with the ends and purposes of the First Amendment. It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount.&quot; ''Id.'', at 388, 390.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Fairness Doctrine has been held applicable to paid advertising as well as to other programming, ''Banzhaf v. FCC'', 132 U.S. App. D.C. 14, 405 F.2d 1082. And the public interest in broadcasting has been recognized as a rationale for liberalized standing on the part of listener '''[p137]''' groups in Commission licensing proceedings. ''Office of Communication of United Church of Christ v. FCC'', 123 U.S. App. D.C. 328, 359 F.2d 994.

Throughout this long history of regulation, however, it has been recognized that broadcasters retain important freedoms, and that the Commission's regulatory power has limits. Quite apart from what may be required by the First Amendment itself, the regulatory legislation makes clear what some of these freedoms are. Section 3 (h) of the Act, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:153%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section153)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 153 (h)], provides that broadcasters are not to be treated as common carriers. Were broadcasters common carriers within the meaning of the Act, they would be subject to [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:201%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section201)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. §§ 201], [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:202%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section202)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 202]. Section 201 provides, in pertinent part, that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;(a) It shall be the duty of every common carrier engaged in interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio to furnish such communication service upon reasonable request therefor....&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Section 202 provides that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;(a) It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Act also specifically gives licensees &quot;freedom of speech&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Nothing in this chapter shall be understood or construed to give the Commission the power of censorship over the radio communications or signals '''[p138]''' transmitted by any radio station, and no regulation or condition shall be promulgated or fixed by the Commission which shall interfere with the right of free speech by means of radio communication.&quot; [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:326%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section326)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 326].&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thus, when examined as a whole, the Federal Communications Act established a system of privately owned broadcast licensees. These licensees, though regulated by the Commission under a fairly broad &quot;public interest&quot; standard, have, quite apart from whatever additional protections the First Amendment may provide, important statutory freedoms in conducting their programming.

In ''Red Lion, supra'', this Court held that, despite the First Amendment, the Commission may imposed a so-called Fairness Doctrine upon broadcasters, requiring them to present balanced coverage of various and conflicting views on issues of public importance. I agreed with the Court in ''Red Lion'', although with considerable doubt, because I thought that that much Government regulation of program content was within the outer limits of First Amendment tolerability. Were the Commission to require broadcasters to accept some amount of editorial advertising as part of the public interest mandate upon which their licenses are conditional, the issue before us would be in the same posture as was the Fairness Doctrine itself in ''Red Lion'', and we would have to determine whether this additional governmental control of broadcasters was consistent with the statute and tolerable under the First Amendment. Here, however, the Commission imposed no such requirement, but left private broadcasters free to accept or reject such advertising as they saw fit. The Court of Appeals held that the First Amendment ''compels'' the Commission to require broadcasters to accept such advertising, because it equated broadcaster action with governmental action. '''[p139]''' This holding not only raises a serious statutory question under § 3 (h) of the Act, which provides that broadcasters are not common carriers, but seems to me to reflect an extraordinarily odd view of the First Amendment.

The dissenting opinion today argues, in support of the decision of the Court of Appeals, that only a ''limited'' right of access is sought by the respondents and required by the First Amendment, and that such a limited right would not turn broadcasters into common carriers. The respondents argue, somewhat differently, that the Constitution requires that only &quot;responsible&quot; individuals and groups be given the right to purchase advertising. These positions are said to be arrived at by somehow balancing &quot;competing First Amendment values.&quot; But if private broadcasters ''are'' Government, how can the First Amendment give only a ''limited'' right to those who would speak? Since when has the First Amendment given Government the right to silence all speakers it does not consider &quot;responsible?&quot;

The First Amendment protects the press ''from'' governmental interference; it confers no analogous protection ''on'' the Government.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref7&quot;/&gt; To hold that broadcaster action is governmental action would thus simply strip broadcasters of their own First Amendment rights. They would be obligated to grand the demands of all citizens to be heard over the air, subject only to reasonable regulations as to &quot;time, place, and manner.&quot; Cf. ''Police Dept. of Chicago v. Mosley'', [[408 U.S. 92]], 98; ''Cox v. Louisiana'', '''[p140]''' [[379 U.S. 536]], 554 ''Poulos v. New Hampshire'', [[345 U.S. 395]]; ''Cox v. New Hampshire'', [[312 U.S. 569]]. If, as the dissent today would have it, the proper analogy is to public forums&lt;ref name=&quot;ref8&quot;/&gt;—that is, if broadcasters are Government for First Amendment purposes—then broadcasters are inevitably drawn to the position of common carriers. For this is precisely the status of Government with respect to public forums—a status mandated by the First Amendment.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref9&quot;/&gt;

To hold that broadcaster action is governmental action would thus produce a result wholly inimical to the broadcasters' own First Amendment rights, and wholly at odds with the broadcasting system established by Congress and with our many decisions&lt;ref name=&quot;ref10&quot;/&gt; approving those legislative '''[p141]''' provisions.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref11&quot;/&gt; As Judge McGowan wrote, dissenting from the judgment of the Court of Appeals in these cases,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This is the system which Congress has, wisely or not, provided as the alternative to public ownership and operation of radio and television communications facilities. This approach has never been thought to be other than within the permissible limits of constitutional choice.&quot; 146 U.S. App. D.C. 181, 205, 450 F.2d 642, 666.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


==II==

Part IV of the Court's opinion, as I understand it, seems primarily to deal with the respondents' statutory argument—that the obligation of broadcasters to operate in the &quot;public interest&quot; supports the judgment of the Court of Appeals. Yet two of my concurring Brethren understand Part IV as a discussion of the First Amendment issue that would exist in these cases were the action of broadcasters to be equated with governmental action. So, according to my Brother BLACKMUN, &quot;the governmental action issue does not affect the outcome of this case.&quot; ''Post'', at 148. The Court of Appeals also conflated the constitutional and statutory issues in these cases. It reasoned that whether its decision &quot;is styled as a 'First Amendment decision' or as a decision interpreting the fairness and public interest requirements 'in light of the First Amendment' matters little.&quot; 146 U.S. App. D.C., at 188, 450 F.2d, at 649.

'''[p142]''' I find this reasoning quite wrong and wholly disagree with it, for the simple reason that the First Amendment and the public interest standard of the statute are not coextensive. The two are related in the sense that the Commission could not &quot;in the public interest&quot; place a requirement on broadcasters that constituted a violation of their First Amendment rights. The two are also related in the sense that both foster free speech. But we have held that the Commission can under the statute require broadcasters to do certain things &quot;in the public interest&quot; that the First Amendment would not require if the broadcasters ''were'' the Government. For example, the Fairness Doctrine is an aspect of the &quot;public interest&quot; regulation of broadcasters that would not be compelled or even permitted by the First Amendment itself if broadcasters were the Government.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref12&quot;/&gt;

If the &quot;public interest&quot; language of the statute were intended to enact the substance of the First Amendment, a discussion of whether broadcaster action is governmental action would indeed be superfluous. For anything that Government could not do because of the First Amendment, the broadcasters could not do under the statute. But this theory proves far too much, since it would make the statutory scheme, with its emphasis on '''[p143]''' broadcaster discretion and its proscription on interference with &quot;the right of free speech by means of radio communication,&quot; a nullity. Were the Government really operating the electronic press, it would, as my Brother DOUGLAS points out, be ''prevented'' by the First Amendment from selection of broadcast content and the exercise of editorial judgment. It would not be permitted in the name of &quot;fairness&quot; to deny time to any person or group on the grounds that their views had been heard &quot;enough.&quot; Yet broadcasters perform precisely these functions and enjoy precisely these freedoms under the Act. The constitutional and statutory issues in these cases are thus quite different.

In evaluating the statutory claims, the starting point must be the &quot;venerable principle that the construction of a statute by those charged with its execution should be followed unless there are compelling indications that it is wrong....&quot; ''Red Lion'', 395 U.S., at 381.

Though I have no doubt that the respondents here were attempting to communicate what they considered to be important messages, it does not follow that the Commission erred when it refused to require every broadcaster to communicate those messages. Contrary to what is said in dissent today, it is not the case that a seller of goods is granted instant access to the media, while someone &quot;seeking to discuss war, peace, pollution, or the suffering of the poor is denied this right to speak.&quot; ''Post'', at 200. There is no indication that the thousands of broadcasters regulated by the Commission have anything like a uniform policy of turning down &quot;controversial&quot; or &quot;editorial&quot; advertising. In the cases before us, the Business Executives' spot advertisements were rejected by a single radio station. Of the three television networks, only one turned down the Democratic National Committee's request for air time. We are told that many, if not most, broadcasters ''do'' accept advertising of '''[p144]''' the type at issue here. This variation in broadcaster policy reflects the very kind of diversity and competition that best protects the free flow of ideas under a system of broadcasting predicated on private management.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref13&quot;/&gt;

Even though it would be in the public interest for the respondents' advertisements to be heard, it does not follow that the public interest requires ''every'' broadcaster to broadcast them. And it certainly does not follow that the public interest would be served by ''forcing'' every broadcaster to accept any particular kind of advertising. In the light of these diverse broadcaster policies—and the serious First Amendment problem that a contrary ruling would have presented—there are surely no &quot;compelling indications&quot; that the Commission misunderstood its statutory responsibility.


==III==

There is never a paucity of arguments in favor of limiting the freedom of the press. The Court of Appeals concluded that greater Government control of press freedom is acceptable here because of the scarcity of frequencies for broadcasting. But there are many more broadcasting stations than there are daily newspapers.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref14&quot;/&gt; And it '''[p145]''' would require no great ingenuity to argue that newspapers too ''are'' Government. After all, newspapers get Government mail subsidies and a limited antitrust immunity.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref15&quot;/&gt; The reasoning of the Court of Appeals would then lead to the conclusion that the First Amendment requires that newspapers, too, be compelled to open their pages to all comers.

Perhaps I overstate the logic of the opinion of the Court of Appeals. Perhaps its &quot;balancing&quot; of First Amendment &quot;values&quot; would require no more than that newspapers be compelled to give &quot;limited&quot; access to dissident voices, and then only if those voices were &quot;responsible.&quot; And perhaps it would require that such access be compelled only when there was a single newspaper in a particular community. But it would be a close question for me which of these various alternative results would be more grossly violative of the First Amendment's guarantee of a free press. For that guarantee gives ''every'' newspaper the liberty to print what it chooses and reject what it chooses, free from the intrusive editorial thumb of Government.

I profoundly trust that no such reasoning as I have attributed to the Court of Appeals will ever be adopted by this Court. And if I have exaggerated, it is only to make clear the dangers that beset us when we lose sight of the First Amendment itself, and march forth in blind pursuit of its &quot;values.&quot;

Those who wrote our First Amendment put their faith in the proposition that a free press is indispensable to a free society. They believed that &quot;fairness&quot; was far too fragile to be left for a Government bureaucracy to '''[p146]''' accomplish. History has many times confirmed the wisdom of their choice.

The Court was persuaded in ''Red Lion'' to accept the Commission's view that a so-called Fairness Doctrine wa required by the unique electronic limitations of broadcasting, at least in the then-existing state of the art. Rightly or wrongly, we there decided that broadcasters' First Amendment rights were &quot;abridgeable.&quot; But surely this does not mean that those rights are nonexistent. And even if all else were in equipoise, and the decision of the issue before us were finally to rest upon First Amendment &quot;values&quot; alone, I could not agree with the Court of Appeals. For if those &quot;values&quot; mean anything, they should mean at least this: If we must choose whether editorial decisions are to be made in the free judgment of individual broadcasters, or imposed by bureaucratic fiat, the choice must be for freedom.


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;U.S. Const., Amdt. I, provides, in pertinent part, that &quot;Congress shall make no law.... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press....&quot;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;See ''Amalgamated Food Employees v. Logan Valley Plaza'', [[391 U.S. 308]]; ''Railway Employee Dept. v. Hanson'', [[351 U.S. 225]]; ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]]; ''Marsh v. Alabama'', [[326 U.S. 501]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;&gt;&quot;Conduct that is formally 'private' may become so entwined, with governmental policies or so impregnated with a governmental character as to become subject to the constitutional limitations placed upon state action.&quot; ''Evans v. Newton'', [[382 U.S. 296]], 299. Earlier, in ''Burton v. Wilmington Parking Authority'', [[365 U.S. 715]], the Court held that a privately owned restaurant located within a public parking garage was sufficiently involved with state authority to bring its racially discriminatory actions within the proscription of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;&gt;See, ''e.g., United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', [[334 U.S. 131]], 166. The Federal Communications Act also prohibits the Commission from interfering with &quot;the right of free speech by means of radio communication.&quot; [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:47%20section:326%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title47-section326)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 47 U.S.C. § 326].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;&gt;For a history of rgulatory legislation regarding broadcasters, see ''Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]], 375-386; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]], 210-214.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;&gt;The personal-attack and editorial-reply rules appear at 47 CFR §§ 73.123, 73.300, 73.598, 73.679. The public issue aspect of the Fairness Doctrine requires the broadcaster to give adequate coverage to public issues, fairly reflecting divergent views. ''United Broadcasting Co.'', 10 F.C.C. 515; ''New Broadcasting Co.'', 6 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 258; see generally Applicability of the Fairness Doctrine in the Handling of Controversial Issues of Public Importance, 29 Fed. Reg. 10415. This coverage must be provided at the broadcaster's own expense if necessary, ''Culman Broadcasting Co.'', 25 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 895, and the duty must be met by providing programming obtained at the licensee's own initiative if it is available from no other source. ''John J. Dempsey'', 6 P &amp; F Radio Reg. 615.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref7&quot;&gt;Government is not restrained by the First Amendment from controlling its own expression, cf. ''New York Times Co. v. United States'', [[403 U.S. 713]], 728-729 (STEWART, J., concurring). As Professor Thomas Emerson has written, &quot;The purpose of the First Amendment is to protect private expression and nothing in the guarantee precludes the government from controlling its own expression or that of its agents.&quot; The System of Freedom of Expression 700 (1970).
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref8&quot;&gt;&quot;[T]he right to speak can flourish. only if it is allowed to operate in an effective forum—whether it be a public park, a schoolroom, a town meeting hall, a soapbox, or a radio and television frequency.&quot; ''Post'', at 193.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref9&quot;&gt;Professor Emerson has recognized the scope of the &quot;access&quot; argument: &quot;The licensee therefore can only be considered as the agent of the government, or trustee of the public, in a process of further allocation. Hence the licensee would have no direct First Amendment rights of his own, except as to his own expression.&quot; ''Supra'', n. 7, at 663.
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Though the licensee would be free to say what it wished during its own broadcasting, whatever that might mean, it seems clear that, the licensee would have no special claim to broadcast time and would lose entirely the freedom to program and schedule according to its own judgment, values, and priorities. Cf. ''Police Dept. of Chicago v. Mosley'', [[408 U.S. 92]], 98; ''Cox v. Louisiana'', [[379 U.S. 536]], 554; Poulos v. New Hampshire, [[345 U.S. 395]]; ''Cox v. New Hampshire'', [[312 U.S. 569]]. Licensees would be forced to develop a procedurally fair and substantively nondiscriminatory system for controlling access, and in my view this is precisely what Congress intended to avoid through § 3 (h) of the Act.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref10&quot;&gt;''Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC'', [[395 U.S. 367]]; ''National Broadcasting Co. v. United States'', [[319 U.S. 190]]; ''FCC v. Sanders Brothers Radio Station'', [[309 U.S. 642|309 U.S. 470]]; ''FCC v. Pottsville Broadcasting Co.'', [[309 U.S. 134]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref11&quot;&gt;one of this suggests any disagreement on my part with the evolution of &quot;state action&quot; under the Fourteenth Amendment. I recognize that if ''Moose Lodge No. 107 v. Irvis'', [[407 U.S. 163]], were relevant, the fact that the Commission considered and rejected a challenge to broadcaster policy might be sufficient to constitute &quot;state action.&quot; This, in fact, was the basis of the Court's decision in ''Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak'', [[343 U.S. 451]].
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref12&quot;&gt;The basis for a Fairness Doctrine is statutory, not constitutional. As the Court said in ''Red Lion'':
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In light of the fact that the 'public interest' in broadcasting clearly encompasses the presentation of vigorous debate of controversial issues of importance and concern to the public; the fact that the FCC has rested upon that language from its very inception a doctrine that these issues must be discussed, and fairly; and the fact that Congress has acknowledged that the analogous provisions of § 315 are not preclusive in this area, and knowingly preserved the FCC's complementary efforts, we think the fairness doctrine and its component personal attack and political editorializing regulations are a legitimate exercise of congressionally delegated authority.&quot; 395 U.S., at 385.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref13&quot;&gt;The Democratic National Committee cited this very lack of uniformity as a reason for seeking a declaratory ruling from the Commission. There was too much diversity, it thought, for it to plan effectively an advertising campaign. In the DNC's request for a declaratory ruling before the Commission, it stated:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In addition to the three national commercial networks, as of April 1, 1970, there were, on the air, 509 commercial VHF television stations, 180 commercial UHF stations, 4,280 standard broadcast stations, and 2,111 commercial FM stations. While several of these stations have common owners, it does not necessarily follow that every station owned by an individual or group would follow the same policies.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref14&quot;&gt; There are 1,792 daily newspapers in the United States. Ayer Directory of Publications VIII (1973). Compare the number of broadcasters, n. 13, ''supra''.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref15&quot;&gt;Newspapers and other periodicals receive a Government subsidy in the form of second-class postage rates, 39 CFR § 132. An antitrust immunity is established by the Newspaper Preservation Act, [https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:15%20section:1801%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title15-section1801)&amp;f=treesort&amp;edition=prelim&amp;num=0&amp;jumpTo=true| 15 U.S.C. § 1801] et seq.
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In Canterbury, a valuable series of brown coals exists in the Malvern Hills, which have often been locally altered, in the vicinity of intrusive rocks of later origin, to various stages between brown coals and anthracites. Mines are at present being worked in the unaltered brown coals at Springfield, Smithfield, Canterbury, Homebush, and Lees, in seams from 3 feet to 7 feet 6 inches thick, in which the quality of the coal often varies a great deal even between the top and bottom of the same seam. As an instance of this I may quote the analyses of the top and bottom of the 4½ feet seam at Springfield, from which it will be seen that the upper part was a glance coal, while the lower had the composition of a very good pitch coal.

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Today marks the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Nazi concentration camp in Poland that stood at the center of the Holocaust and focus for their systematic slaughter of the Jewish people.

Between 1940 and 1945, more than one million Jews, religious leaders, disabled persons, and other innocent victims were viciously and mercilessly executed in Auschwitz at the hands of the evil Nazi regime—culminating in one of the darkest chapters in human history. On this solemn day, America joins the Jewish community, the people of Poland, and the entire world in mourning the lives lost, the souls battered, the heroes forgotten, and the countless men and women who gave their lives for the cause of freedom.

Over those 5 gruesome years at Auschwitz, mothers and fathers lost their children, daughters and sons lost their parents, and wives and husbands lost their soulmates to the deadly scourge of anti-Semitism—leaving an unfillable void in their hearts. To those who lost family members and loved ones, we pray that Almighty God will grant you comfort and strength. To those who survived the atrocities at Auschwitz, we honor your courage, we salute your sacrifice, and we offer you our enduring love and unceasing gratitude. And to every person touched by the calamities of the Holocaust, we give you our unwavering devotion and eternal promise to never forget the evils that took place during that dark time in history.

Sadly, despite decades of wisdom shared by survivors, years of reflection on the depravities committed, and decades of progress towards peace, the poison of anti-Semitism still courses through the veins of cowards in dark corners of the world. So today, we renew our promise that anti-Semitism has no place in a civilized society, no place in our foreign policy, and no place in the United States of America.

In the years since the liberation of Auschwitz on this day eight decades ago, the grave offenses that took place during the Holocaust and the cries of the Jewish people have echoed throughout the halls of history. In the wake of the oppression, persecution, and injustice committed at Auschwitz and elsewhere in Europe, the Jewish people gallantly persevered to refound their homeland in the modern State of Israel—our mighty friend. To this day, the Jewish people proudly represent the peak of human tenacity and the pinnacle of human triumph.

As we commemorate this somber occasion, we pay tribute to the undying spirit of the Jewish community. We reaffirm our commitment to educating our children and every future generation about the horrors that took place within the confines of Auschwitz and other concentration and death camps. We renew our resolve to end anti-Semitism and religious bigotry of all forms. We proudly reassert our strong bonds of friendship with the State of Israel. And we declare the timeless truth that every human being is a child of God and inherently worthy of dignity and respect.
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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-seventh day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-ninth.

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Line after line, along the bursting sod,
Marks the broad acres where his feet have trod;
Still, where he treads, the stubborn clods divide,
The smooth, fresh furrow opens deep and wide;
Matted and dense the tangled turf upheaves,
Mellow and dark the ridgy cornfield cleaves;
Up the steep hillside, where the laboring train
Slants the long track that scores the level plain;
Through the moist valley, clogged with oozing clay,
The patient convoy breaks its destined way;
At every turn the loosening chains resound,
The swinging ploughshare circles glistening round,
Till the wide field one billowy waste appears,
And wearied bands unbind the panting steers.

These are the hands whose sturdy labor brings
The peasant’s food, the golden pomp of kings;
This is the page, whose letters shall be seen
Changed by the sun to words of living green;
This is the scholar, whose immortal pen
Spells the first lesson hunger taught to men;
These are the lines which heaven-commanded Toil
Shows on his deed,—the charter of the soil!

O gracious Mother, whose benignant breast
Wakes us to life, and lulls us all to rest,
How thy sweet features, kind to every clime,
Mock with their smile the wrinkled front of time!
We stain thy flowers,—they blossom o’er the dead;
We rend thy bosom, and it gives us bread;
O’er the red field that trampling strife has torn,
Waves the green plumage of thy tasselled corn;
Our maddening conflicts sear thy fairest plain,
Stall thy soft answer is the growing grain,
Yet, O our Mother, while uncounted charms
Steal round our hearts in thine embracing arms,
Let not our virtues in thy love decay,
And thy fond sweetness waste our strength away.

No! by these hills, whose banners now displayed
In blazing cohorts Autumn has arrayed;
By yon twin summits, on whose splintery crests
The tossing hemlocks held the eagles’ nests;
By these fair plains the mountain circle screens,
And feeds with streamlets from its dark ravines,—
True to then home, these faithful arms shall toil
To crown with peace their own untainted soil;
And, true to God, to freedom, to mankind,
If her chained bandogs Faction shall unbind,
These stately forms, that bending even now
Bowed their strong manhood to the humble plough,
Shall rise erect, the guardians of the land,
The same stern ion in the same right hand,
Till o’er their hills the shouts of triumph run,
The sword has rescued what the plough share won!
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&lt;poem&gt;
Winter is past; the heart of Nature warms
Beneath the wrecks of unresisted storms;
Doubtful at first, suspected more than seen,
The southern slopes are fringed with tender green;
On sheltered banks, beneath the dripping eaves,
Spring’s earliest nurslings spread their glowing leaves,
Bright with the hues from wider pictures won,
White, azure, golden,—drift, or sky, or sun,—
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Marks the broad acres where his feet have trod;
Still, where he treads, the stubborn clods divide,
The smooth, fresh furrow opens deep and wide;
Matted and dense the tangled turf upheaves,
Mellow and dark the ridgy cornfield cleaves;
Up the steep hillside, where the laboring train
Slants the long track that scores the level plain;
Through the moist valley, clogged with oozing clay,
The patient convoy breaks its destined way;
At every turn the loosening chains resound,
The swinging ploughshare circles glistening round,
Till the wide field one billowy waste appears,
And wearied bands unbind the panting steers.

These are the hands whose sturdy labor brings
The peasant’s food, the golden pomp of kings;
This is the page, whose letters shall be seen
Changed by the sun to words of living green;
This is the scholar, whose immortal pen
Spells the first lesson hunger taught to men;
These are the lines which heaven-commanded Toil
Shows on his deed,—the charter of the soil!

O gracious Mother, whose benignant breast
Wakes us to life, and lulls us all to rest,
How thy sweet features, kind to every clime,
Mock with their smile the wrinkled front of time!
We stain thy flowers,—they blossom o’er the dead;
We rend thy bosom, and it gives us bread;
O’er the red field that trampling strife has torn,
Waves the green plumage of thy tasselled corn;
Our maddening conflicts sear thy fairest plain,
Stall thy soft answer is the growing grain,
Yet, O our Mother, while uncounted charms
Steal round our hearts in thine embracing arms,
Let not our virtues in thy love decay,
And thy fond sweetness waste our strength away.

No! by these hills, whose banners now displayed
In blazing cohorts Autumn has arrayed;
By yon twin summits, on whose splintery crests
The tossing hemlocks held the eagles’ nests;
By these fair plains the mountain circle screens,
And feeds with streamlets from its dark ravines,—
True to then home, these faithful arms shall toil
To crown with peace their own untainted soil;
And, true to God, to freedom, to mankind,
If her chained bandogs Faction shall unbind,
These stately forms, that bending even now
Bowed their strong manhood to the humble plough,
Shall rise erect, the guardians of the land,
The same stern ion in the same right hand,
Till o’er their hills the shouts of triumph run,
The sword has rescued what the plough share won!}}
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Winter is past; the heart of Nature warms
Beneath the wrecks of unresisted storms;
Doubtful at first, suspected more than seen,
The southern slopes are fringed with tender green;
On sheltered banks, beneath the dripping eaves,
Spring’s earliest nurslings spread their glowing leaves,
Bright with the hues from wider pictures won,
White, azure, golden,—drift, or sky, or sun,—
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Line after line, along the bursting sod,
Marks the broad acres where his feet have trod;
Still, where he treads, the stubborn clods divide,
The smooth, fresh furrow opens deep and wide;
Matted and dense the tangled turf upheaves,
Mellow and dark the ridgy cornfield cleaves;
Up the steep hillside, where the laboring train
Slants the long track that scores the level plain;
Through the moist valley, clogged with oozing clay,
The patient convoy breaks its destined way;
At every turn the loosening chains resound,
The swinging ploughshare circles glistening round,
Till the wide field one billowy waste appears,
And wearied bands unbind the panting steers.

These are the hands whose sturdy labor brings
The peasant’s food, the golden pomp of kings;
This is the page, whose letters shall be seen
Changed by the sun to words of living green;
This is the scholar, whose immortal pen
Spells the first lesson hunger taught to men;
These are the lines which heaven-commanded Toil
Shows on his deed,—the charter of the soil!

O gracious Mother, whose benignant breast
Wakes us to life, and lulls us all to rest,
How thy sweet features, kind to every clime,
Mock with their smile the wrinkled front of time!
We stain thy flowers,—they blossom o’er the dead;
We rend thy bosom, and it gives us bread;
O’er the red field that trampling strife has torn,
Waves the green plumage of thy tasselled corn;
Our maddening conflicts sear thy fairest plain,
Stall thy soft answer is the growing grain,
Yet, O our Mother, while uncounted charms
Steal round our hearts in thine embracing arms,
Let not our virtues in thy love decay,
And thy fond sweetness waste our strength away.

No! by these hills, whose banners now displayed
In blazing cohorts Autumn has arrayed;
By yon twin summits, on whose splintery crests
The tossing hemlocks held the eagles’ nests;
By these fair plains the mountain circle screens,
And feeds with streamlets from its dark ravines,—
True to then home, these faithful arms shall toil
To crown with peace their own untainted soil;
And, true to God, to freedom, to mankind,
If her chained bandogs Faction shall unbind,
These stately forms, that bending even now
Bowed their strong manhood to the humble plough,
Shall rise erect, the guardians of the land,
The same stern ion in the same right hand,
Till o’er their hills the shouts of triumph run,
The sword has rescued what the plough share won!}}
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Beneath the wrecks of unresisted storms;
Doubtful at first, suspected more than seen,
The southern slopes are fringed with tender green;
On sheltered banks, beneath the dripping eaves,
Spring’s earliest nurslings spread their glowing leaves,
Bright with the hues from wider pictures won,
White, azure, golden,—drift, or sky, or sun,—
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{{center block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;And there Sir Harry sleeps alone
By Wiltshire Avon’s wave,

Tho home of early loye was dear;
She sought its peaceful shade,
And kept her state for many a year,
With none to make afraid.

At last the evil days were come
That saw the red eross fall; 2
She hears the rebels’ rattling drum, —
Farewell ta Frankland Hall !

I tell you, as my tale began,
The hall is standing still;
And you, kind listener, maid er man,
May see it if you will.

The box is glistening huge and green,
Like trees the lilacs grow,
Thres alms high-arching still are seen,
And one lies stretched below.

The hangings, rough with velvet flowers,
Flap on the latticed wall;
And o’er the mossy ridgepole towers
The rock-hewn chimney tall.

The doors on mighty hinges clash
With masstve bolt and bar,
The heavy Kuglish-moulded sash
Scarce can the night-winds jar.

Behold the ehosen room he sought
Alone, to fast and pray,
Each year, as chill November brought
The dismal earthquake day.

There lung the rapier blade he wore,
Bent in ita flattened sheath;
The coat the shrieking woman tore
Canght in her clenching teeth;—

The coat with tarnished silver lace
She snapped at a3 she slid,
And down upon her death-white face
Crashed the huge cattin’s lid.

A eraded terrace yeb remains;
f on its turf you stand
And look along the wooded plains
That stretch on either hand,

The broken forest walle define
A dim, receding yiew,
Where, cn the far horizon’s line,
He eut his vista through.

If further story you shall erave,
Or ask for hying proof,
Ge see old Julia, born a slave
Beneath Sir Harry’s roof.

She told me half that I have told,
And she remembers well
The mansion as it looked of old
Before its glories fell; —

The box, when round the terraced square
Its glossy wall was drawn;
Ths climbing vines, the snow-balls fair,
The roses on the lawn.

And Julia says, with truthful look
Stamped on her wrinkled face,
That in her own black hands she took
The coat with silver lace.

And you may hold the story light,
Or, if you like, believe;
But there tt was, the wondn’s bite, —
A wouthful from the sleeve.

Now go your ways; — I need not tell
The moral of my rhyme;
But, youths and maidens, pander well
This tale ef olden time |
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{{c|{{asc|ANNIVERSARY OF THE BERKSHIRE AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY, OCTOBER 4, 1849}}}}

{{fine block|[At this anniversary, Dr, Holmes not only read the following poem, but was chairman of the committee on the ploughing match, and read the report which will be found in the notes at the end of this volume.]}}

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Lo! on he comes, behind his smoking team,
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First in the field before the reddening sun,
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under my own instructions, joined in their entreaties, I complied. That night I was shewn to a magnificent chamber, and the next morning early Miss Wilmot desired to walk with me in the garden, which was decorated in the modern manner. After some time spent in pointing out the beauties of the place, she enquired with seeming unconcern, when last I had heard from my son George. &quot;Alas! Madam,&quot; cried I, &quot;he has now been near three years absent, without ever writing to his friends or me. Where he is I know not; perhaps I shall never see him or happiness more. No, my dear Madam, we shall never more see such pleasing hours as were once spent by our fire-side at Wakefield. My little family are now dispersing very fast, and poverty has brought not only want, but infamy upon us.&quot; The good-natured girl let fall a tear at this account; but as I saw her possessed of too much sensibility, I forbore a more minute detail of our sufferings. It&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|was,}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I hoped that it never would, for his sake. He was one of those men who—because nothing ever has happened to them—like to think that something has happened to them at last—something wonderful, altogether out of the common way; that they have been the victim of some supreme tragedy. I doubt if he would have made much of a husband, anyhow. He was actually happy under the delusion that some strange, mysterious fate had in some altogether incomprehensible way robbed him of what might have been his life's bright star. His existence might have been so blissful had Destiny only stayed its hand. It is my belief that he endeavoured to make this clear to everybody he met after five minutes' acquaintance; so that, if he lost his wife before she was really his, at least he had an object in life.

The next morning I met William B. Stebbings, the son of Ebenezer's Grey-Blue Pills, and, as soon as he had made up his mind who I was, the very first words he said to me were:—

&quot;I say, Miss Lee, I'm going to be married—yes, I am; and I hope to see you there; you must have a card. It's on Tuesday week.&quot; Then, though we were out in the open street, he closed his left eye and winked. &quot;Have you ever heard anything of Miss Tracy? She was a dandy of a girl, she was; and, between ourselves, I believe that she didn't object to me. If it hadn't been for that little upset, matters between us might have gone farther than{{bar|2}} Well, strictly between ourselves, I don't mind telling you that she told me herself that she would like to be my wife; she meant it, too. She was fond of me, that girl was. Pity she made such a mistake.&quot;

I did not know to which mistake he alluded, and I did not ask him. I did not want to know. He was an extremely plain, clumsily-built, stupid young man; and I was half inclined to wish that she had married him. Where women are concerned, men are the most amazing things. What all those men, of different ages, different tastes, different altogether, saw in her was beyond my comprehension. The proof that she had a fatal fascination for the male animal came to me in still stranger shape only a few days later.

I was standing in one of the Tube stations, when a decently-dressed young man came up to me and took his cap off.

&quot;Excuse me, but aren't you Miss Lee? I don't suppose you know who I am, but I remember you because of Miss Balfour.&quot;

&quot;Miss who?&quot; I asked. I was quite certain I had never seen him before; he was almost a gentleman and quite nice-looking, about twenty-three or four.

&quot;Miss Balfour spoke to you in Bond Street, now rather more than a fortnight since. You were passing when she came out of a shop and spoke to you, and then she got into the motor-car. I was the chauffeur. She told me afterwards who you were.&quot;

&quot;So she calls herself Miss Balfour now, does she?&quot; A light was beginning to dawn on me. &quot;I shall be very much obliged if you can tell me where Miss Balfour is to be found at the present moment.&quot;

He pulled rather a long face.

&quot;I wish I could; that is what I hoped you would be able to tell me.&quot;

&quot;No one is less likely to be able to tell you about the movements of the woman who, according to you, now calls herself Miss Balfour than I am. Are you no longer in her employ?&quot;

He shifted his cap a little to one side and scratched his head. I thought what a rueful-looking object he was all at once.

&quot;Well, it's rather a long story. It's like this.&quot; He paused, as if to try back to the beginning. &quot;I wasn't exactly in her employ; the fact is, an uncle of mine left me a legacy, and I laid it out in buying a motor-car, meaning to hire it out to people who wanted one. It's a first-rate car, and I wanted to get at people of better class. Miss Balfour hired it—first by the day, then by the week, and then by the month. We used to go off together for tours in the country, and&quot;—he began to look sheepish—&quot;she made herself very pleasant to me. Of course, she paid my expenses, and nothing would suit her but that we should take our meals together—late&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;On April 18, three more Whitmers and three Jollys were baptized, others later, and two or three preaching stations were establish- ed in the township.  June 1, 1830, the first Conference of the Church was held at Fayette. Thirty believers, besides many strangers, were present, and it was a wonderful day, according to Mormon authorities. A second General Conference was held in the same place September 1st, and continued for three days, and a third one Jan...</comment>
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three Jollys were baptized, others later, and
two or three preaching stations were establish-
ed in the township.

June 1, 1830, the first Conference of the
Church was held at Fayette. Thirty believers,
besides many strangers, were present, and it
was a wonderful day, according to Mormon
authorities. A second General Conference
was held in the same place September 1st, and
continued for three days, and a third one
January 2, 1831. During these months,
Joseph Smith, Jr., Sidney Rigdon and Orson
Pratt had taken up their residence in Fayette.

But many things pointed to the new West
as more congenial soil for the new faith. So
in October, 1830, four elders, Oliver Cow-
dery, Parley Pratt, Ziba Peterson and Peter
Whitmer, Jr., were sent on a mission to the
Indians, &quot;a people for whose salvation Smith
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manner, and many others. They organized
a Church there, and soon after, Joe had a
revelation that Kirtland was the promised
land of Mormonism, and thither in 1831
Smith and all his converts went. For that
day, and in view of all the circumstances, it
was an excellent location. By further revela-
tions, settlements were soon made in Inde-
pendence, Jackson County, Missouri, and
when driven from Kirtland in 1838, Cass and
Clay counties received them. From Missouri
they were obliged to flee to Illinois in 1840.
They founded on the Mississippi the city of
Nauvoo, which soon had 10,000 or more in-
habitants, and great outward prosperity. The
story of these years of growth and persecu-
tion is not in place here. The assumptions
of the prophet became colossal. He was an
arbitrary dictator; could always furnish a new
revelation in order to accomplish his designs,
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;enemies, the promotion of his friends, or plural marriages; and made well nigh un- believable claims as to his knowledge and au- thority. In November, 1843, according to Riley (page 329,) he said: &quot;I know more than all the world put together{{...|4}} I com- bat the error of the ages. I meet the violence of mobs; I cope with illegal proceedings from executive authority. I cut the Gordian knot of powers, and I solve mathematical problems of Universities wi...</comment>
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plural marriages; and made well nigh un-
believable claims as to his knowledge and au-
thority. In November, 1843, according to
Riley (page 329,) he said: &quot;I know more than
all the world put together{{...|4}} I com-
bat the error of the ages. I meet the violence
of mobs; I cope with illegal proceedings from
executive authority. I cut the Gordian knot
of powers, and I solve mathematical problems
of Universities with truth, {{...}} and
God is my right hand man.&quot; February 21,
1843, Joe preached a sermon of which this is
a partial report from the prophet himself;
&quot;If any man (working on the Nauvoo House)
is hungry let him come to me and I will feed
him at my table {{...}} and then if the
man is not satisfied I will kick his backsides{{...|4}} This meeting was got up by the
Nauvoo House committee. The Pagans,
Roman Catholics, Methodists and Baptists
shall have place in Nauvoo—only they must&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||56}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;be ground in Joe Smith's mill. I have been in their mill {{...}} and those who come here must go through my smut machine, and that is my tongue.&quot; (Quoted by Linn, p. 213.)  Joe was mayor of the city, judge of its highest court, General commanding its militia, and autocrat in chief. His followers nominat- ed him for President in 1844, after he had sent insulting letters to Clay and Calhoun, and 1,000 missionaries were sent out from Nau- voo to promote his...</comment>
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in their mill {{...}} and those who come
here must go through my smut machine, and
that is my tongue.&quot; (Quoted by Linn, p.
213.)

Joe was mayor of the city, judge of its
highest court, General commanding its militia,
and autocrat in chief. His followers nominat-
ed him for President in 1844, after he had
sent insulting letters to Clay and Calhoun, and
1,000 missionaries were sent out from Nau-
voo to promote his candidacy before the
National Democratic convention. One State
convention, Massachusetts, met in Boston be-
fore the news of his murder reached the city,
but it was broken up by rowdies and adjourn-
ed without taking action. The moral rotten-
ness in Nauvoo during these years passed all
bounds. It was indescribably vile.

When, however, Joseph and his brother,
Hyrum, were murdered by the mob at Carth-
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;religion was assured. Henceforth the prophet was a martyr, factional conflicts, which had threatened the very existence of the Church, ceased, or were suppressed by the stronger hand of Brigham Young, who never had but one revelation, and a new era in the develop- ment of Mormonism began.  Apply to Joseph Smith, Jr., whatever moral measurement you please: believe him to be, as I do, a deliberate impostor, a charla- tan of the first rank, not self-deceive...</comment>
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was a martyr, factional conflicts, which had
threatened the very existence of the Church,
ceased, or were suppressed by the stronger
hand of Brigham Young, who never had but
one revelation, and a new era in the develop-
ment of Mormonism began.

Apply to Joseph Smith, Jr., whatever
moral measurement you please: believe him
to be, as I do, a deliberate impostor, a charla-
tan of the first rank, not self-deceived at least
at first, though deceiving others, we must con-
cede to him great ability. Gentile writers have
not always been willing to admit this. Grant-
ed that he had able assistants in Cowdery,
Rigdon, and others, Joe himself was the soul,
the life of the movement. I agree with Ken-
nedy, who says: &quot;One cannot but admire the
wonderful power of Smith in meeting each
event as it came, and in fitting the circum-
stances of any extraordinary occurrence to his
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;that it could take advantage of him, and no truth so mighty that it could unhorse him or put his imagination to shame.&quot; (Page 183.).  Of course Mormon teachers themselves make everything stand or fall upon the reality of the divine mission of Smith. Says Dr. James E. Talmage, one of their authorized expositors; &quot;The question of the divine au- thenticity of this man's mission is the all-im- portant one to earnest investigators of Latter- day Saint Doctrin...</comment>
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truth so mighty that it could unhorse him or
put his imagination to shame.&quot; (Page 183.).

Of course Mormon teachers themselves
make everything stand or fall upon the reality
of the divine mission of Smith. Says Dr.
James E. Talmage, one of their authorized
expositors; &quot;The question of the divine au-
thenticity of this man's mission is the all-im-
portant one to earnest investigators of Latter-
day Saint Doctrines. If his claims to a God-
given appointment be false forming as they
do, the foundation of the Church of the last
dispensation, the superstructure cannot be
stable; if, however, his important ordination
under the hands of heavenly personages be a
fact, one need search no further for the cause
of the phenomenal strength and growing pow-
er of the restored Church.&quot; (The Articles
of Faith, a Series of Lectures on the Principal
Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, 1899.) In&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||59}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;ceived a revelation of its divine character, went to Pennsylvania, and from that time was intimately connected with Joe in the transla- tion and publication of the book.&quot; (Linn, p. 45.)  Kennedy, who more than any other writer, investigated the life and character of the three, tells a little different story, and prob- ably the more reliable. He says that Cowdery was a Vermont school teacher, with some little education, who came West and taught school nea...</comment>
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went to Pennsylvania, and from that time was
intimately connected with Joe in the transla-
tion and publication of the book.&quot; (Linn, p.
45.)

Kennedy, who more than any other writer,
investigated the life and character of the
three, tells a little different story, and prob-
ably the more reliable. He says that Cowdery
was a Vermont school teacher, with some little
education, who came West and taught school
near Fayette before 1830. &quot;Whether from
a love of mental adventure, a shrewd forecast
of the possibilities of the future, a real belief
in the powers of Smith, or a weakness of
character that led him captive by a stronger
individuality, I know not; but from the first
he was Smith's willing instrument and coun-
sellor—ready to lead boldly when sent ahead,
or accept the minor place if bidden to follow.&quot;
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;repeating. His whole history makes it evident that he was more of a partner of Smith in the fraud than his dupe.  In 1841, at Nauvoo, Cowdery for some reason seems to have fallen out with Joe, and by revelation the prophet declared that the &quot;gifts of the Priesthood, that once were put upon him that was my servant Oliver Cow- dery were taken from him&quot; and given to William Marks, evidently a more facile in- strument than the former teacher. Oliver then beg...</comment>
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evident that he was more of a partner of
Smith in the fraud than his dupe.

In 1841, at Nauvoo, Cowdery for some
reason seems to have fallen out with Joe, and
by revelation the prophet declared that the
&quot;gifts of the Priesthood, that once were put
upon him that was my servant Oliver Cow-
dery were taken from him&quot; and given to
William Marks, evidently a more facile in-
strument than the former teacher. Oliver
then began the practice of law at Tiffin, Ohio,
where he remained several years and express-
ed a desire to unite with the Methodist
Church. The pastor, Rev. John Souder, and
Mr. G. J. Keen, a member, waited upon him,
and to them he made a full renunciation of
Mormonism, but he was not willing to do so
publicly, it would invite criticism and bring
him into contempt. Unfortunately, the
Church was content with his confession of his
error at a Church meeting. While in Tiffin,&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||63}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;he was faithful to his profession and became Sunday School superintendent. Then he re- moved to Wisconsin, where he entered into political life. At last, broken in health and spirit, he went to Richmond, Mo., where he died March 3, 1850. He rejoined the Mor- mons a year or two before his death, and on his death-bed is reported to have said to David Whitmer, &quot;Brother David, be true to your testimony to the Book of Mormon.&quot;  At Richmond, Mo., January 25, 1...</comment>
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Sunday School superintendent. Then he re-
moved to Wisconsin, where he entered into
political life. At last, broken in health and
spirit, he went to Richmond, Mo., where he
died March 3, 1850. He rejoined the Mor-
mons a year or two before his death, and on
his death-bed is reported to have said to
David Whitmer, &quot;Brother David, be true to
your testimony to the Book of Mormon.&quot;

At Richmond, Mo., January 25, 1888,
where his home had been for fifty years,
David Whitmer, the second of the three, died.
He had been ill a long time, and a few even-
ings before his death he asked his physician.
this question: “Dr. Buchanan, I want you to
say whether or not I am in my right mind
before giving my dying testimony.&quot; &quot;Yes,
you are in your right mind,&quot; was the answer.
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&quot;Be faithful in Christ. I want to say to you
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;is true; so you can say that you have heard me bear my testimony on my death bed. All be faithful in Christ, and your reward will be according to your works. God bless you all. My trust is in Christ forever, world without end.&quot; (Quoted in Kennedy's The Three Witnesses of the Book of Mormon.) There is something pathetic in the story of this man. He was cast out of the Church by Brigham Young, lived for fifty years there- after a blameless life, as friends...</comment>
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me bear my testimony on my death bed. All
be faithful in Christ, and your reward will
be according to your works. God bless you
all. My trust is in Christ forever, world
without end.&quot; (Quoted in Kennedy's The
Three Witnesses of the Book of Mormon.)
There is something pathetic in the story of
this man. He was cast out of the Church by
Brigham Young, lived for fifty years there-
after a blameless life, as friends and neigh-
bors of all creeds testified, and as we have
seen affirmed with his dying breath the truth
of the alleged vision given nearly sixty years
before that convinced him of the divine char-
acter of the Book of Mormon and of Smith
as a prophet. In the closing year of his life
he published a closely printed pamphlet of
75 pages, entitled, &quot;An Address to All Be-
lievers in Christ; by a Witness to the Divine
Authenticity of the Book of Mormon.&quot; In
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;to convince the Mormons that many of the later revelations of Joseph Smith, including the one about polygamy, were not genuine.  The Whitmer family were among the earli- est converts to Mormonism. Peter the father was born near Harrisburg, Pa., July 14, 1773, and died at the home of his son David, August 13, 1854. He was an uneducated Pennsylvania German, an honest and indus- trious citizen. He removed to Fayette, N. Y., in 1810, and was the father of on...</comment>
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later revelations of Joseph Smith, including
the one about polygamy, were not genuine.

The Whitmer family were among the earli-
est converts to Mormonism. Peter the father
was born near Harrisburg, Pa., July 14,
1773, and died at the home of his son David,
August 13, 1854. He was an uneducated
Pennsylvania German, an honest and indus-
trious citizen. He removed to Fayette, N. Y.,
in 1810, and was the father of one daughter
and five sons, all of whom became Mormons.
David, as we have seen, was one of the three,
the other four sons were of the eight, while
the daughter was the wife of another one of
them, Hiram Page. Thus it will be seen that
the testimony to the Book of Mormon comes
from the Smith and Whitmer families, togeth-
er with Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris.
David Whitmer was born in 1805, and came
with his family to Fayette in 1810. Among
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;the Rev. Diedrich Willers, who for more than fifty years was pastor of the German Re- formed Church, Fayette, and who knew the Whitmers intimately. Smith and some of his associates had placed a wooden image in a tree in a field where one of the Whitmers was plowing, and when asked if he had seen an angel he said he had. &quot;Then,&quot; said Smith, &quot;this is the place where the Book of Mormon must be completed, since the angel has already appeared eleven times, an...</comment>
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fifty years was pastor of the German Re-
formed Church, Fayette, and who knew the
Whitmers intimately. Smith and some of his
associates had placed a wooden image in a
tree in a field where one of the Whitmers was
plowing, and when asked if he had seen an
angel he said he had. &quot;Then,&quot; said Smith,
&quot;this is the place where the Book of Mormon
must be completed, since the angel has already
appeared eleven times, and it has been reveal-
ed to me that at the place of the twelfth
appearing of the angel the book must be com-
pleted.&quot; Hence the Whitmers' home became
the headquarters of Smith and his friends.
Other stories were current about David for
many years which make it plain that he was a
trustful unsuspecting, superstitious soul, easily
imposed upon; the tool of Smith and not an
intentional deceiver.

Martin Harris, of whom we have already
written, was the third witness. He is said&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||67}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;to have been by turns &quot;a Quaker, a Univer- salist, a Restorationist, a Baptist, and a Pres- byterian. He was also known as a violent, quarrelsome man, and used frequently to whip and kick his wife, and put her out of doors, as she herself testified. He said that he had often talked with Jesus Christ, angels and the devil, and said that Christ was the handsom- est man he ever saw, and the devil looked like a jackass with very short smooth hair similar to...</comment>
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salist, a Restorationist, a Baptist, and a Pres-
byterian. He was also known as a violent,
quarrelsome man, and used frequently to whip
and kick his wife, and put her out of doors,
as she herself testified. He said that he had
often talked with Jesus Christ, angels and the
devil, and said that Christ was the handsom-
est man he ever saw, and the devil looked like
a jackass with very short smooth hair similar
to that of a mouse. He also asserted that he
had visited the moon.&quot; Linn suggests that it
would have been difficult to establish his sanity
in a surrogate's court.

After the removal to Kirtland, Harris be-
came boastful and arrogant, and assumed the
role of a prophet. He attempted to work
miracles, had frequent and exciting conflicts
with the devil, and boasted that he would
renew his youth and be translated like Elijah.
Poor old man! he had given his property to
the Church, that is Smith, his tongue was now&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||68}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;a nuisance, it was bringing discredit upon the Church, and Joe had a very effective way of taming other people's tongues whenever it was necessary for the good of the cause. In the changes from Ohio to Missouri, Martin and Joe quarrelled, and in 1837, Joe thus denounc- ed his third witness; &quot;There are negroes who have white skins, as well as black ones. Granny Parish and others, who acted as lackeys, such as Martin Harris. But they are so far beneath my...</comment>
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Church, and Joe had a very effective way of
taming other people's tongues whenever it was
necessary for the good of the cause. In the
changes from Ohio to Missouri, Martin and
Joe quarrelled, and in 1837, Joe thus denounc-
ed his third witness; &quot;There are negroes who
have white skins, as well as black ones.
Granny Parish and others, who acted as
lackeys, such as Martin Harris. But they are
so far beneath my contempt that to notice any
of them would be too great a sacrifice for a
gentleman to make.&quot; Harris remained for
many years in Ohio, haunting the old temple,
and making his living as best he could. The
end is told by his son in a letter to Mr. Ken-
nedy, dated, Louisville, Bingham County,
Idaho, February 28, 1888; &quot;Notwithstanding
his prominence in the Church, and the im-
portant aid he had given it, he and the other
witnesses became careless and indifferent in
the Church, and actually allowed themselves&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||69}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;to fall from grace, and separated themselves from it for many years.&quot; (A mild way of stating the fact that the three were excom- municated by Joe or Brigham.) &quot;My father while separated from the Church, remained in Ohio; but, nevertheless, he always bore a true and faithful testimony of the divine origin of the Book of Mormon. He came to Salt Lake in 1870, and renewed his fellow- ship with the Mormon Church. He died in Clarkson, Cache County, Utah, July...</comment>
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from it for many years.&quot; (A mild way of
stating the fact that the three were excom-
municated by Joe or Brigham.) &quot;My father
while separated from the Church, remained
in Ohio; but, nevertheless, he always bore a
true and faithful testimony of the divine
origin of the Book of Mormon. He came to
Salt Lake in 1870, and renewed his fellow-
ship with the Mormon Church. He died in
Clarkson, Cache County, Utah, July 10, 1875.
He was ninety-two years, one month, and
twenty-two days old. He bore his testimony to
the truth and divinity of the Book of Mor-
mon a short time before he departed, and the
last words he uttered when he could not speak
the sentence, were, {{'}}Book, Book, Book!{{'&quot;}}

The story of the vision granted these three
men in company with Joe is too long to be
told in detail. Like almost everything else
connected with these early visions and revela-
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;it was alleged to have happened, and exists in various versions. It is said to have occurred while they were engaged in &quot;fervent and humble prayer&quot; that they might receive a ful- fillment of the revelation and have a view of the plates, and the answer came in the woods near Fayette. But before it was granted Joe had the revelation already mentioned promis- ing them this vision, and of course it was soon granted.  It is then upon these men and such testi-...</comment>
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various versions. It is said to have occurred
while they were engaged in &quot;fervent and
humble prayer&quot; that they might receive a ful-
fillment of the revelation and have a view of
the plates, and the answer came in the woods
near Fayette. But before it was granted Joe
had the revelation already mentioned promis-
ing them this vision, and of course it was soon
granted.

It is then upon these men and such testi-
mony that the immense structure of Mormon-
ism rests. Was there ever such a colossal
building erected upon such an absolutely
valueless foundation? Kennedy well sums up
the matter in his pamphlet already quoted;
&quot;This, then, is the testimony upon which so
much has been built, around which so much
of wonder, or belief, or doubt, has been clus-
tered. How much of truth, how much of
falsehood and fraud, how much of wilful de-
ception and willing delusion, of overwrought&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||71}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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weaker minds ruled by the strong, of spiritual
vision put forward as representing the out-
ward eye—there may be in this, each seeker
after knowledge must discover for himself—for no man within Mormonism, or without,
can tell, and the four who best knew are gone
into the shadows where the voice of the de-
ceiver is hushed with that of the deceived, and
from whence cometh no knowledge—either
of confirmation or confession.&quot;
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    <title>The Birth of Mormonism/Chapter 6</title>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;vailed over the Nephites, and the latter were practically annihilated at the hill Cumorah, 200,000 of them being slain, and, as already related, Mormon surviving only long enough to complete the sacred records. The book contains, also, an account of the visit of Jesus Christ to America, soon after the resurrec- tion, when he repeated the sermon on the mount and other of His previous instructions, and added much more, concerning baptism, church officers,...</comment>
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practically annihilated at the hill Cumorah,
200,000 of them being slain, and, as already
related, Mormon surviving only long enough
to complete the sacred records. The book
contains, also, an account of the visit of Jesus
Christ to America, soon after the resurrec-
tion, when he repeated the sermon on the
mount and other of His previous instructions,
and added much more, concerning baptism,
church officers, etc., completing His earlier
revelations, and preparing the way for the
twelve American apostles and the Church of
Latter Day Saints. The book contains nearly
as much printer's matter as the Old Testa-
ment, and, aside from its large quotations
from the Bible, all these quotations are said
to be taken from the King James' version
without any change—is wearisome and repeti-
tious and puerile, not to use stronger lan-
guage. Few, even among the Mormons, are
said to have read it through.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;But the Bible and the Book of Mormon are not the chief sacred books of the Church. The first place is held by The Book of Doctrines and Covenants, &quot;a book of Revelations given as necessity demanded for the comfort and guidance of the servants of God and for the Church.&quot; (Brief History of Mormonism, p. 30.) The Old Testament is for the Jewish Church, the New Testament for the Judaic and European Christian Church, the Book of Mormon for the American Christ...</comment>
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not the chief sacred books of the Church. The
first place is held by The Book of Doctrines
and Covenants, &quot;a book of Revelations given
as necessity demanded for the comfort and
guidance of the servants of God and for the
Church.&quot; (Brief History of Mormonism, p.
30.) The Old Testament is for the Jewish
Church, the New Testament for the Judaic
and European Christian Church, the Book of
Mormon for the American Christian Church,
and the Book of Doctrines and Covenants for
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. This is the guide book of the Church
It contains the revelations granted to Joe,
and one only to Brigham. It is a childish,
heathenish, blasphemous hodge podge. Ac-
cording to David Whitmer, &quot;after the transla-
tion of the Book of Mormon was finished,
early in the spring of 1830, before April 6th,
Joseph gave the stone to Oliver Cowdery and
told me as well as the rest that he was through&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||75}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;with it, and he did not use the stone any more{{...|4}} He told us that we would all have to depend on the Holy Ghost hereafter to be guided into truth and obtain the will of the Lord.&quot; (P. 32.) But Joe insisted on being the mouthpiece of the Holy Ghost, and as Whitmer further says, &quot;Rigdon would per- suade Brother Joseph to inquire of the Lord about this doctrine and that doctrine, and of course a revelation would always come just as they desired it.&quot; (...</comment>
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depend on the Holy Ghost hereafter to be
guided into truth and obtain the will of the
Lord.&quot; (P. 32.) But Joe insisted on being
the mouthpiece of the Holy Ghost, and as
Whitmer further says, &quot;Rigdon would per-
suade Brother Joseph to inquire of the Lord
about this doctrine and that doctrine, and of
course a revelation would always come just
as they desired it.&quot; (P. 35.) This is Whit-
mer's explanation of the fall of the prophet:
&quot;We were then young in years and all of us
were babes in Christ. Brother Joseph and
myself were only twenty-five years of age.&quot;
The poor old man has another explanation
also. In connection with his mistakes in re-
gard to the printing and sale of the first edi-
tion of the Book of Mormon, Joe had a
revelation: &quot;Some revelations are of God,
some revelations are of man, and some revela-
tions are of the devil.&quot; And so Whitmer&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||76}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The dinner came to an end. It was too soon to go to the kennels.

&quot;There is still time enough,&quot; remarked Mrs. Bensasan, addressing Madame Sara. &quot;Follow me in five minutes. You and I have our work to do first. When we are quite ready for the curtain to rise and the show to begin, my keeper, Keppel, shall announce the fact to the gentlemen.&quot;

Mrs. Bensasan went slowly from the room. I had never before been so impressed. Madame Sara beside her hostess looked young, slender, almost childish.

&quot;That woman is the greatest of her age,&quot; said Madame. &quot;How great only I who have known her for years can imagine. Mr. Rigby and I both know Mrs. Bensasan well, don't we, sir?&quot;

We none of us spoke, and she went slowly towards the door. Just as she reached it she turned and faced us.

&quot;I have provided against possible mischief,&quot; she said.

She thrust her hand into the bosom of her dress and drew out a small revolver. Minute as it was, I knew the sort, and was well aware that it could be used with deadly effect. With a gentle and sweet smile she returned it to its place; then, taking up a cloak which lay on a chair near, she flung it over her evening dress and disappeared into the night.

Four of us were now left in the hall—Rigby, Hiliers, Vandeleur, and myself.

&quot;We shall be summoned in a minute,&quot; said Vandeleur. &quot;This is a state of tension quite unpleasant in its 
strain.&quot;

He walked to the house door and threw it open. He had scarcely done so before the sharp crack of a shot sounded from the pine wood below the house. It was followed instantly by another. Fearing we knew not what, we all rushed from the hall and flew down the path through the pine wood. The bright electric light guided us; the howl of many wolves smote savagely on our ears.

In a very short time we had reached the little platform which had been erected in front of the huge cage where Mrs. Bensasan had arranged to give her exhibition. The cage was there, but to my surprise there was no keeper in sight. We instantly crowded on the platform and saw Mrs. Bensasan standing upright in the middle of the cage. She had the stock whip in her hand. A woman lay prostrate at her feet. The woman's fair hair streamed along the floor of the cage; her cloak was torn aside. There was a large and ghastly wound in her throat; blood covered the floor. At a little distance lay Taganrog, shot through the head and motionless. When she saw us approach Mrs. Bensasan turned. Her face was quite calm {{Img float
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&quot;Madame Sara, the great Madame Sara, is dead,&quot; she said, with slow distinctness. &quot;She ventured into the cage; it was imprudent—I implored her not to come, but she would not heed. Her death was due to Taganrog. He feared me, but the sight of her maddened him. He sprang at her and tore her throat. It was but the work of a second. See, I have shot him. But Madame had also a revolver, and just in the moment of—of—ah! Heavens! Ah!&quot;

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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;rings the changes on these words as a reason for rejecting much of Joe's later revelations. Surely, Moroni took upon himself an awful responsibility in choosing such a babe as the medium for the last and highest revelations which man is to receive, when there is so much uncertainty as to the origin of revelations. One more of these revelations I must quote, it is so unique and important: &quot;When a mes- senger comes, saying he has a message from God, offer...</comment>
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for rejecting much of Joe's later revelations.
Surely, Moroni took upon himself an awful
responsibility in choosing such a babe as the
medium for the last and highest revelations
which man is to receive, when there is so much
uncertainty as to the origin of revelations.
One more of these revelations I must quote,
it is so unique and important: &quot;When a mes-
senger comes, saying he has a message from
God, offer him your hand, and request him to
shake hands with you. If he be an angel he
will do so, and you will feel his hand{{...|4}}
If it be the devil, as an angel of light; when
you ask him to shake hands, he will offer you
his hand and you will not feel anything. You
may therefore detect him.&quot; (Doctrines and
Covenants, Sec. 129. The whole section is a
choice bit.)

Revelations came in other ways, even
through the brothers and sisters. While at
Kirtland the speaking with tongues became a&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||77}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;common exercise. Any one called upon would rise and speak whatever words or sounds came to him; then another would rise and interpret the tongues. Interpreters became very expert in this business, as is illustrated by the follow- ing authentic story, told by Lieut. Gunnison: &quot;A certain boy had become such an expert that he was called upon by the elders to inter- pret difficult sayings. On one occasion, when a woman arose suddenly in the meeting and calle...</comment>
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rise and speak whatever words or sounds came
to him; then another would rise and interpret
the tongues. Interpreters became very expert
in this business, as is illustrated by the follow-
ing authentic story, told by Lieut. Gunnison:
&quot;A certain boy had become such an expert
that he was called upon by the elders to inter-
pret difficult sayings. On one occasion, when
a woman arose suddenly in the meeting and
called out, {{'}}O, mela, meli, melee,{{'}} the lad was
requested to reduce the exclamation to Eng-
lish. He promptly gave the translation, {{'}}O,
my leg, my thigh, my knee,{{'}} and even when
the angry and disgusted elders had him be-
fore the council, he persisted that he had given
the right translation. As the woman herself
did not know what she had been aiming at,
they were compelled to give him an admoni-
tion and let him go.&quot; (Kennedy, p. 117.)

But whence came this mass of bad grammar
and worse history contained in the Book of&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||78}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;Mormon? Is Joe Smith the author? Of course Mormons say no. &quot;It was written,&quot; says Whitmer, &quot;by holy men of God, who dwelt upon this land.&quot; (P. 37.) But what say the Gentiles? What says history? No. absolute answer can be given. The actors who knew have all passed away, the records are defective, but reasonable certainty may be attained.  It is impossible here to do more than give a brief summary of this part of our story. Others have gathered the evidenc...</comment>
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course Mormons say no. &quot;It was written,&quot;
says Whitmer, &quot;by holy men of God, who
dwelt upon this land.&quot; (P. 37.) But what
say the Gentiles? What says history? No.
absolute answer can be given. The actors
who knew have all passed away, the records
are defective, but reasonable certainty may be
attained.

It is impossible here to do more than give
a brief summary of this part of our story.
Others have gathered the evidence with the
greatest care. Solomon Spaulding, born in
1761, graduated from Dartmouth in 1785,
ordained to the ministry and a Congregational
pastor for a time, till failing health led him
into business, settled at Salem (now Conne-
aut), Ohio, before 1812, as a partner in an
iron foundry, financially ruined by the war of
1812, greatly interested in the Indians, and
especially in the mounds near his home, which
then and even to our own day were believed&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||79}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;to be the remains of a people distinct from the Indians, wrote a romance, so called, entitled &quot;The Manuscript Found,&quot; in which he at- tempted to give an account of the peopling of this continent from Jerusalem. He was very fond of his story, and often read it in whole or in part to his neighbors. There is evidence that the story contained the names Mormon, Moroni, Lamanite, Nephi, etc. Spaulding tried to get a Pittsburgh printer to publish it. It remaine...</comment>
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Indians, wrote a romance, so called, entitled
&quot;The Manuscript Found,&quot; in which he at-
tempted to give an account of the peopling
of this continent from Jerusalem. He was
very fond of his story, and often read it in
whole or in part to his neighbors. There is
evidence that the story contained the names
Mormon, Moroni, Lamanite, Nephi, etc.
Spaulding tried to get a Pittsburgh printer to
publish it. It remained in his office for some
time, and then Mr. Patterson declined to
undertake the job. Spaulding died at Amity,
Pa., 1816. His widow removed to this State,
and subsequently married. The celebrated
manuscript traveled with her. After the pub-
lication of the Book of Mormon, many people
noted the striking resemblances between it and
this Spaulding story. There is good evidence
that during the preceding years Smith, Rig-
don, Cowdery, and possibly others of the
Mormon converts, had seen the manuscript&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||80}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;or heard the story told.  Among the early professed converts to Mormonism was Dr. D. P. Hurlburt, &quot;a man of good address and fine personal appear- ance.&quot; He was sent by a committee, so he represented, to ask Mrs. Spaulding's per- mission to take the &quot;Manuscript Found&quot; to Conneaut to compare it with the Book of Mormon, and, of course demonstrate that the latter had no connection with it. He was evidently familiar with the history of the manuscript. He wen...</comment>
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Among the early professed converts to
Mormonism was Dr. D. P. Hurlburt, &quot;a man
of good address and fine personal appear-
ance.&quot; He was sent by a committee, so he
represented, to ask Mrs. Spaulding's per-
mission to take the &quot;Manuscript Found&quot; to
Conneaut to compare it with the Book of
Mormon, and, of course demonstrate that the
latter had no connection with it. He was
evidently familiar with the history of the
manuscript. He went first to Mr. William
H. Sabine, of Onondaga Valley, a celebrated
lawyer and a brother of Mrs. Spaulding, now
Mrs. Davison, and with whom she had lived
for a time, and where Joseph Smith had
worked, and secured from Mr. Sabine a letter
of introduction to Mrs. Davison, containing
also a request that she should comply with the
request of Dr. Hurlburt. With this the doc-
tor went to Munson, Mass., where Mrs.
Davison was living with her daughter, Mrs.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||81}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;McKinstry. Both mother and daughter mis- trusted him, and at first refused his request. But Hurlburt was plausible and persuaded them at last to give him a letter to Jerome Clark, Hartwick, N. Y., her former home, who had charge of her goods, to deliver into the hands of Dr. Hurlburt the manuscript of the famous story. This was done on his solemn promise to return it to Mrs. Davison. She never saw the manuscript again. Repeat- ed requests were made of Hu...</comment>
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trusted him, and at first refused his request.
But Hurlburt was plausible and persuaded
them at last to give him a letter to Jerome
Clark, Hartwick, N. Y., her former home,
who had charge of her goods, to deliver into
the hands of Dr. Hurlburt the manuscript of
the famous story. This was done on his
solemn promise to return it to Mrs. Davison.
She never saw the manuscript again. Repeat-
ed requests were made of Hurlburt to return
it, but he never paid the least attention to
her. It was currently reported that he sold
the manuscript to the Mormons in 1834, and
with the proceeds purchased the farm near
Fremont, Ohio, upon which he continued to
reside till his death in 1882. Mrs. Ellen E.
Dickinson, in her &quot;New Light on Mormon-
ism,&quot; relates at length an interview with Hurl-
burt, which she had in 1880. (See Chap.
V.) The whole impression is unpleasant.
Hurlburt's answers are inconsistent; he seems&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||82}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;to desire to conceal the truth or to mislead concerning it, rather than tell it. Among other things he said that the manuscript he obtained from Mr. Clark was given to Mr. Howe, of Painesville, author of &quot;Mormonism Unveiled,&quot; published in 1835, but that Howe burned it. Even here, however, he stumbled more than once. &quot;Do you think,&quot; asked Mrs. Dickinson, &quot;Solomon Spaulding wrote the story from which the Mormons made their book?&quot; &quot;Yes; and no question abou...</comment>
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concerning it, rather than tell it. Among
other things he said that the manuscript he
obtained from Mr. Clark was given to Mr.
Howe, of Painesville, author of &quot;Mormonism
Unveiled,&quot; published in 1835, but that Howe
burned it. Even here, however, he stumbled
more than once. &quot;Do you think,&quot; asked Mrs.
Dickinson, &quot;Solomon Spaulding wrote the
story from which the Mormons made their
book?&quot; &quot;Yes; and no question about it,&quot;
was the answer. &quot;Well, then, where is the
manuscript?&quot; &quot;I think it was copied by Rig-
don, and he kept the original, and Mrs. Davi-
son had the copy.&quot; But when assured that
Mrs. Davison was certain that she had the
original manuscript of her husband's story,
he seemed confused, made various inconsistent
statements, and practically declared the in-
terview ended.

Subsequently, Mrs. Dickinson had an in-
terview with Mr. Howe, but it was far from&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||83}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;satisfactory. She asked him, however, this question, &quot;Do you think Spaulding wrote a story from which Rigdon and Smith made the Book of Mormon ?&quot; &quot;Certainly, I do,&quot; was his positive answer.  Here we must rest this part of our story. The evidence seems to point to this conclu- sion: That the so-called historical parts of the Book of Mormon, not borrowed from Scripture, are taken from Solomon Spauld- ing's story, and that the borrowing, or com- pilation, o...</comment>
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question, &quot;Do you think Spaulding wrote a
story from which Rigdon and Smith made the
Book of Mormon ?&quot; &quot;Certainly, I do,&quot; was
his positive answer.

Here we must rest this part of our story.
The evidence seems to point to this conclu-
sion: That the so-called historical parts of
the Book of Mormon, not borrowed from
Scripture, are taken from Solomon Spauld-
ing's story, and that the borrowing, or com-
pilation, or adaptation was chiefly done by
Sidney Rigdon. Rigdon was a minister of
the Disciples' Church, at least this was his
standing just before he became a Mormon,
an ill-balanced, conceited, extravagant char-
acter. He was a secret visitor to Joseph at
Palmyra, when Mormonism was preparing.
There is probable evidence that he had a
copy of Spaulding's romance as early as 1823,
and studied it much; that he was aware of the
forthcoming new religion; expressed himself&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||84}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;as dissatisfied with the faith he then had—a common condition with the early Mormons—and did much to prepare the way for his own spectacular conversion to Mormonism and for the coming of the Palmyra prophet. (For a full account of this whole question as to the relation of the Book of Mormon to Spauld- ing's romance, and Sidney Rigdon's part in it, see Patterson's pamphlet, &quot;Who Wrote the Book of Mormon,&quot; Pittsburg, 1882.)  A writer in the Ohio Atlas, Mar...</comment>
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common condition with the early Mormons—and did much to prepare the way for his own
spectacular conversion to Mormonism and for
the coming of the Palmyra prophet. (For a
full account of this whole question as to the
relation of the Book of Mormon to Spauld-
ing's romance, and Sidney Rigdon's part in it,
see Patterson's pamphlet, &quot;Who Wrote the
Book of Mormon,&quot; Pittsburg, 1882.)

A writer in the Ohio Atlas, March 16,
1836, tells the story of his visit to Kirtland
and says: &quot;I have no doubt that Joe
Smith's character is an equal compound of the
impostor and the fanatic, and that Rigdon
has but a small spice of the latter, with an
extraordinary portion of the former.&quot; (Ken-
nedy, p. 136.) At the conclusion of this
study, I would underscore this summary of
the character of the biggest impostor that
America has yet produced.

The Christian people of the United States&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||85}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;have yet to be awakened to the real character and design of Mormonism. Polygamy is but an incident in its infamous teachings. It is a vile, heathenish, blasphemous, despotism, without one redeeming feature. Its entire extinction presents one of the greatest prob- lems which confronts our Christian civiliza- tion. Is twentieth century Christianity strong and wise enough to conquer it? We shall see. It must do it for the safety of republican government. {{...</comment>
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and design of Mormonism. Polygamy is
but an incident in its infamous teachings. It
is a vile, heathenish, blasphemous, despotism,
without one redeeming feature. Its entire
extinction presents one of the greatest prob-
lems which confronts our Christian civiliza-
tion. Is twentieth century Christianity strong
and wise enough to conquer it? We shall
see. It must do it for the safety of republican
government.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;and in rhetoric and historical accuracy is hardly equal to the tales of Baron Münchau- sen.  3. &quot;The Book of Mormon,&quot; Salt Lake City, 1891.  4. &quot;The Doctrines and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Containing the Revelations Given to Joseph Smith, Jun., The Prophet, for the Building up of the Kingdom of God in the Last Days. Divided into Verses, with References, by Orson Pratt, Sen. Salt Lake City, The Deseret News, Printers an...</comment>
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hardly equal to the tales of Baron Münchau-
sen.

3. &quot;The Book of Mormon,&quot; Salt Lake
City, 1891.

4. &quot;The Doctrines and Covenants of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,
Containing the Revelations Given to Joseph
Smith, Jun., The Prophet, for the Building up
of the Kingdom of God in the Last Days.
Divided into Verses, with References, by
Orson Pratt, Sen. Salt Lake City, The
Deseret News, Printers and Publishers,
1911.&quot;

5. &quot;An Address to all Believers in Christ,
by David Whitmer, Richmond, Mo., 1887.&quot;
Whitmer after being expelled from the
original Church founded the &quot;Whitmerites,&quot;
and this is his final defence of the Book of
Mormon.

6. &quot;Mormonism: Its Leaders and De-
signs. By John Hyde, Jr., Formerly a Mor-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||88}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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# &quot;The Book of Mormon,&quot; Salt Lake City, 1891.
# &quot;The Doctrines and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Containing the Revelations Given to Joseph Smith, Jun., The Prophet, for the Building up of the Kingdom of God in the Last Days. Divided into Verses, with References, by Orson Pratt, Sen. Salt Lake City, The Deseret News, Printers and Publishers, 1911.&quot;
# &quot;An Address to all Believers in Christ, by David Whitmer, Richmond, Mo., 1887.&quot; Whitmer after being expelled from the original Church founded the &quot;Whitmerites,&quot; and this is his final defence of the Book of Mormon.
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# &quot;The Book of Mormon,&quot; Salt Lake City, 1891.
# &quot;The Doctrines and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Containing the Revelations Given to Joseph Smith, Jun., The Prophet, for the Building up of the Kingdom of God in the Last Days. Divided into Verses, with References, by Orson Pratt, Sen. Salt Lake City, The Deseret News, Printers and Publishers, 1911.&quot;
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1. &quot;Origin and Progress of Mormonism,
by Pomeroy Tucker. D. Appleton and Co.,
1867.&quot; Mr. Tucker was for many years
editor and proprietor of the Wayne County
Sentinel, Palmyra, N. Y.; he was its editor
when the first edition of the Book of Mor-
mon was printed in his office, and read most
of the proof. He knew nearly all of the
early actors in the story, and had unusual
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;facts has in the main stood the test of time and the work of later investigators.  2. &quot;New Light on Mormonism, by Mrs. Ellen F. Dickinson, 1885.&quot; Valuable for its study of the relation between Solomon Spauld- ing's story and the Book of Mormon.  3. &quot;Who Wrote the Book of Mormon? By Robert Patterson. 1882.&quot; An out-of- print pamphlet, investigating the relation be- tween Spaulding's story and the Book of Mor- mon, but altogether too dogmatic in its con- cl...</comment>
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and the work of later investigators.

2. &quot;New Light on Mormonism, by Mrs.
Ellen F. Dickinson, 1885.&quot; Valuable for its
study of the relation between Solomon Spauld-
ing's story and the Book of Mormon.

3. &quot;Who Wrote the Book of Mormon?
By Robert Patterson. 1882.&quot; An out-of-
print pamphlet, investigating the relation be-
tween Spaulding's story and the Book of Mor-
mon, but altogether too dogmatic in its con-
clusions.

4. &quot;The Three Witnesses to the Book of
Mormon. An Address before the Oneida
Historical Society, Utica, N. Y., Jan. 27,
1890, by James Harrison Kennedy.&quot; An-
other out-of-print pamphlet, containing the
fullest account of the three witnesses. It is
of great value.

5. &quot;Early Days of Mormonism, by James
Harrison Kennedy, 1888.&quot; One of the best
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# &quot;New Light on Mormonism, by Mrs. Ellen F. Dickinson, 1885.&quot; Valuable for its study of the relation between Solomon Spaulding's story and the Book of Mormon.
# &quot;Who Wrote the Book of Mormon? By Robert Patterson. 1882.&quot; An out-of-print pamphlet, investigating the relation between Spaulding's story and the Book of Mormon, but altogether too dogmatic in its conclusions.
# &quot;The Three Witnesses to the Book of Mormon. An Address before the Oneida Historical Society, Utica, N. Y., Jan. 27, 1890, by James Harrison Kennedy.&quot; Another out-of-print pamphlet, containing the fullest account of the three witnesses. It is of great value.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;er's, and is better written and arranged.  6. &quot;The Story of the Mormons. From the Date of their Origin to the Year 1901. By William Alexander Linn. 1902.&quot; The most complete, and, on the whole, the best history of the whole movement.  7. &quot;The Founder of Mormonism. A Psy- chological Study of Joseph Smith, Jr., by I. Woodbridge Riley. 1902.&quot; A valuable book, but revealing at times a lack of his- torical thoroughness.  8. Various general histories, many news...</comment>
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6. &quot;The Story of the Mormons. From
the Date of their Origin to the Year 1901.
By William Alexander Linn. 1902.&quot; The
most complete, and, on the whole, the best
history of the whole movement.

7. &quot;The Founder of Mormonism. A Psy-
chological Study of Joseph Smith, Jr., by
I. Woodbridge Riley. 1902.&quot; A valuable
book, but revealing at times a lack of his-
torical thoroughness.

8. Various general histories, many news-
paper, review and cyclopedia articles, the lat-
ter almost always more or less inaccurate; also
certain rare papers and pamphlets, which were
then owned by Dr. Charles Foster, an ex-
Mormon, who knew Joseph Smith, Jr., well.
Among them was a copy of The Nauvoo
Expositor, bearing date, June 7, 1844, and
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# &quot;The Founder of Mormonism. A Psychological Study of Joseph Smith, Jr., by I. Woodbridge Riley. 1902.&quot; A valuable book, but revealing at times a lack of historical thoroughness.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;thrown into the street, and every copy printed upon which the Mormon authorities could lay their hand destroyed and this by order of Smith. The Church would gladly secure the very few copies still in existence. This ma- terial did not add much to the facts gathered from other sources, but they gave some local color and corroborated some facts. Dr. Fos- ter, with his brother, also a physician, and much the older, was living at Nauvoo at the time of Smith'...</comment>
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upon which the Mormon authorities could
lay their hand destroyed and this by order of
Smith. The Church would gladly secure the
very few copies still in existence. This ma-
terial did not add much to the facts gathered
from other sources, but they gave some local
color and corroborated some facts. Dr. Fos-
ter, with his brother, also a physician, and
much the older, was living at Nauvoo at the
time of Smith's death, and they were directly
concerned in the troubles which culminated in
Smith's murder. Hyde tells the story thus;
&quot;Joseph Smith lost his life entirely through
attempting to persuade a Mrs. Dr. Foster, at
Nauvoo, that it was the will of God she
should become his 'spiritual wife;' not to the
exclusion of her husband, Dr. Foster, but only
to become his in time for eternity! This
nefarious offer she confessed to her husband.
Some others of a similar nature were dis-
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was burned, type and press demolished, for
which Smith was arrested and afterwards
shot, by Missourians, at Carthage, Ill.&quot; (Page
85.) The first part of this statement is prob-
ably true, for such an infamous offer was
made to more than one woman in Nauvoo,
but this was only a part of the trouble, and
Smith would probably have lost his life if
these offers had not been made. It was men
from Illinois, not Missouri, who shot him.
So far as the writer could learn, the Fosters
were not believers in Mormonism as a re-
ligion, but they saw in it a chance for busi-
ness and to make some money.

B

THE NAUVOO EXPOSITOR

In the list of authorities reference has been
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;are not half a dozen copies of the paper in existence. It is so important in the early his-- tory of Mormonism that certain extracts and notes made when the paper was examined are thought worthy of being here preserved.  Its motto was, &quot;The Truth, the Whole, Truth, and Nothing but the Truth,&quot; and its one issue is dated, &quot;Friday, June 7, 1844. Vol. 1, No. 1.&quot; Its publishers were, William Law, Wilson Law, (brothers), Charles Ivins, Francis M. Higbee, Chaun...</comment>
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existence. It is so important in the early his--
tory of Mormonism that certain extracts and
notes made when the paper was examined are
thought worthy of being here preserved.

Its motto was, &quot;The Truth, the Whole,
Truth, and Nothing but the Truth,&quot; and its
one issue is dated, &quot;Friday, June 7, 1844.
Vol. 1, No. 1.&quot; Its publishers were, William
Law, Wilson Law, (brothers), Charles Ivins,
Francis M. Higbee, Chauncey L. Hughes,
Robert D. Foster, Charles A. Foster, (broth-
ers;) its editor Sylvester Emmons. Some
of these men, as already said of the Fos-
ters, were not believers in Mormonism as a
religion, but were in it as a business proposi-
tion.

Nearly six columns of the paper were oc-
cupied with the &quot;Preamble, Resolutions and
Affidavits, of the Seceders from the Church
at Nauvoo.&quot; It is wordy, verbose, grandi-
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We also feel having only two biscuits a day and an insufficient supply of seal meat. We are hungry both for news of the Southern Party and for more food.

''March'' 5 ''to'' 15.—The conditions are gradually but surely becoming more unbearable, and we cannot hope for improvement until we are settled in some permanent home for the winter. The tents we are living in at present are more threadbare than ever, and are pierced with innumerable holes both large and small, so that during the whole time we are inside them we are living in a young gale.

To-day, March 15, is the last that I expect the ship, and from now on I shall conclude something has happened and that she is not coming.

For some days we have been preparing in every way possible for the winter, and our position may be summed up as follows: We landed, besides our sledging rations, six boxes of biscuits with 45 lbs. in each box. The sledging biscuits were finished on March 1, and of the others we have to keep two boxes intact for our journey down the coast.

We have also enough cocoa to give us a mug of very thin cocoa five nights of the week; enough tea for a mug of equally thin tea once a week; and the remaining day we must reboil the tea leaves or drink hot water ''solus''. Our only luxuries are a very small amount of chocolate and sugar, sufficient to give us a stick of chocolate every&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;Dr. R. D. Foster, were probably its authors.  They affirm their faith in Mormonism. &quot;We all verily believe, and many of us know of a surety, that the Religion of the Latter Day Saints, as originally taught by Joseph Smith, which is contained in the Old and New Testament, Book of Covenants, and Book of Mormon, is verily true; and that the pure principles set forth in those books, are the immutable and eternal principles of heaven, and speaks a language wh...</comment>
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They affirm their faith in Mormonism.
&quot;We all verily believe, and many of us know
of a surety, that the Religion of the Latter
Day Saints, as originally taught by Joseph
Smith, which is contained in the Old and New
Testament, Book of Covenants, and Book of
Mormon, is verily true; and that the pure
principles set forth in those books, are the
immutable and eternal principles of heaven,
and speaks a language which, when spoken in
truth and virtue, sinks deep into the heart of
every man.&quot; The inconsistency of this affirma-
tion with what follows about Smith, in view
of Smith's relation to this religion, will not
escape the reader.

There follows a long tirade against the
prophet. Some of the doctrines &quot;taught
secretly, and denied openly,&quot; are &quot;heretical
and damnable in their influence, though they
find many devotees.&quot; They had appealed to
Joseph, but while admitting his guilt, he would&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||95}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;not make public acknowledgment of his sins; &quot;he would rather be damned, for it would detract from his dignity, and would conse- quently ruin and prove the overthrow of the Church. We would ask him on the other hand, if the overthrow of the Church was not inevitable, to which he often replied, that we would all go to hell together, and convert it into a heaven, by casting the devil out; and says he, Hell is by no means the place this world of fools suppos...</comment>
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&quot;he would rather be damned, for it would
detract from his dignity, and would conse-
quently ruin and prove the overthrow of the
Church. We would ask him on the other
hand, if the overthrow of the Church was not
inevitable, to which he often replied, that we
would all go to hell together, and convert it
into a heaven, by casting the devil out; and
says he, Hell is by no means the place this
world of fools suppose it to be, but on the
contrary, it is quite an agreeable place: to
which we would make no reply, he can enjoy
it if he is determined not to desist from his
evil ways; but as for us, and ours, we will
serve the Lord our God.&quot;

This is followed by another long account
of the way in which many females, &quot;allured by
fair promises from many lands, have been
brought to Nauvoo, and then under oaths the
most solemn and alleged revelations from God
through the prophet and others, are taught&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||96}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;the doctrine of {{'}}Spiritual Wifery{{'}} to their de- struction-in words which cannot be quoted. here.&quot;  The next important item in their charge is against &quot;the attempt at political power and influence,&quot; which they characterize as &quot;pre- posterous and absurd.&quot;  Among &quot;the many items of false doctrine&quot; which they condemn and &quot;that are taught by the Church&quot; is &quot;the doctrine of many Gods.&quot; With reference to this latter doctrine, it must be remembered that...</comment>
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struction-in words which cannot be quoted.
here.&quot;

The next important item in their charge is
against &quot;the attempt at political power and
influence,&quot; which they characterize as &quot;pre-
posterous and absurd.&quot;

Among &quot;the many items of false doctrine&quot;
which they condemn and &quot;that are taught by
the Church&quot; is &quot;the doctrine of many Gods.&quot;
With reference to this latter doctrine, it must
be remembered that in the Revelation regard-
ing the &quot;Plurality of Wives,&quot; &quot;Given through
Joseph, the Seer, in Nauvoo, Hancock Coun-
ty, Illinois, July 12, 1843,&quot; (see Sec. 132,
Doctrines and Covenants) and which &quot;all
those who have this law revealed unto them
must obey the same; {{...}} for no one
can reject this covenant, and be permitted to
enter into my glory;&quot; it is asserted that those
who enter into plural marriages, according to
the law laid down, &quot;shall be Gods, because&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||97}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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struction—in words which cannot be quoted.
here.&quot;

The next important item in their charge is
against &quot;the attempt at political power and
influence,&quot; which they characterize as &quot;pre-
posterous and absurd.&quot;

Among &quot;the many items of false doctrine&quot;
which they condemn and &quot;that are taught by
the Church&quot; is &quot;the doctrine of many Gods.&quot;
With reference to this latter doctrine, it must
be remembered that in the Revelation regard-
ing the &quot;Plurality of Wives,&quot; &quot;Given through
Joseph, the Seer, in Nauvoo, Hancock Coun-
ty, Illinois, July 12, 1843,&quot; (see Sec. 132,
Doctrines and Covenants) and which &quot;all
those who have this law revealed unto them
must obey the same; {{...}} for no one
can reject this covenant, and be permitted to
enter into my glory;&quot; it is asserted that those
who enter into plural marriages, according to
the law laid down, &quot;shall be Gods, because&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||97}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;they have no end; {{...}} because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.&quot;  The seventh resolution reads; 'That we dis- countenance and disapprobate the attendance at houses of revelling and dancing; dram shops and theatres; verily believing that they have a tendency to lead from paths of virtue and holiness, to those of vice and debauchery.&quot;  The affidavits of William Law and Jane his wife, and Austin Cowles, first counsellor to the p...</comment>
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have all power, and the angels are subject
unto them.&quot;

The seventh resolution reads; 'That we dis-
countenance and disapprobate the attendance
at houses of revelling and dancing; dram
shops and theatres; verily believing that they
have a tendency to lead from paths of virtue
and holiness, to those of vice and debauchery.&quot;

The affidavits of William Law and Jane
his wife, and Austin Cowles, first counsellor
to the president of the Church, made the 4th
of May, 1844, are given, that they had read
or heard read a paper by Hyrum Smith, pur-
porting to be a revelation given through
Joseph Smith, teaching &quot;the doctrine of a
plurality of wives.&quot; Again, it must be remem-
bered that the prophet continued to deny the
existence of such a revelation after the official
date now given it, though the evidence is
abundant that he and others were practising
it.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;They have much also to say of the arbi- trary and despotic rule of Smith, of the &quot;In- quisition&quot; that he has established, and of the risk they themselves were running of suffer- ing his vengeance.  An editorial repudiates any intention of dealing with national politics, or taking sides with either Whig or Democrat; ridicules the pretensions of &quot;the party in our midst,&quot; who expects &quot;to take by storm the presidential chair;&quot; announces that local politics w...</comment>
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trary and despotic rule of Smith, of the &quot;In-
quisition&quot; that he has established, and of the
risk they themselves were running of suffer-
ing his vengeance.

An editorial repudiates any intention of
dealing with national politics, or taking sides
with either Whig or Democrat; ridicules the
pretensions of &quot;the party in our midst,&quot; who
expects &quot;to take by storm the presidential
chair;&quot; announces that local politics will be
thoroughly ventilated; advocates &quot;a radical
reform in the city of Nauvoo, as the departure
from moral rectitude, and the abuse of power,
have become intolerable; and asserts that they
are going to fight the thing through by law-
ful means, and will defend themselves if force
is used against them.&quot;

The editor further describes the party in
power as &quot;Heaven daring, Hell deserving,
God forsaken villains.&quot;

The quotations given are sufficient to war-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||99}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;rant the statement already made that Mor- monism would soon have fallen to pieces and been scattered to the four winds, if Smith and his friends had been permitted to wield their autocratic power for a while longer. But his murder stayed the process of disintegration and death.  C  A CONTEMPORARY DESCRIPTION OF JOSEPH SMITH, JR.  In the Saint Louis Weekly Gazette, May 18, 1844, there appears a letter dated, Nau- voo, April 26, 1844. It thus begins; &quot;Jose...</comment>
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monism would soon have fallen to pieces and
been scattered to the four winds, if Smith and
his friends had been permitted to wield their
autocratic power for a while longer. But his
murder stayed the process of disintegration
and death.

C

A CONTEMPORARY DESCRIPTION OF JOSEPH
SMITH, JR.

In the Saint Louis Weekly Gazette, May
18, 1844, there appears a letter dated, Nau-
voo, April 26, 1844. It thus begins; &quot;Joseph
Smith, Prophet, Priest, Prince of Mormon-
dom and generalissimo of the armies of the
faithful! To this high and mighty magnifi-
cate had I the honor of presentation, on the
day and year first above written.&quot; The party
numbered about a dozen, and after seeing the&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||100}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;sights of the city were presented to the prophet. &quot;One of our company professed himself an old and familiar friend of the general,&quot; and he acted as the chaperon of the party. &quot;My first impression was by no means satisfactory to myself and certainly not flatter- ing to mine host {{...}} Gen. Smith {{...}} is in stature and proportion a very large man; and his figure would probably be called a fine one, although by no means distinguished for symmetry or fo...</comment>
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prophet. &quot;One of our company professed
himself an old and familiar friend of the
general,&quot; and he acted as the chaperon of the
party. &quot;My first impression was by no means
satisfactory to myself and certainly not flatter-
ing to mine host {{...}} Gen. Smith {{...}}
is in stature and proportion a very large man;
and his figure would probably be called a fine
one, although by no means distinguished for
symmetry or for grace{{...|4}} His chest
and shoulders are broad and muscular, al-
though his arms and hands seemed never to
have been developed by physical toil, and the
latter are quite small for his proportions. His
foot, however, is massive enough, and ex-
tensive enough, in all conscience, to make up
for any deficiency in his hand. The shape of
his head is a very oblong oval—the coronal
region high, denoting a resolved will—the
basilar and occipital full, indicating powerful
impulses, and the frontal retreating although&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||101}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;the region devoted by Phrenologists to the organization of the perceptive powers is un- usually prominent{{...|4}} His forehead is white, without a furrow, and, notwithstanding the small facial angle, somewhat symmetrical{{...|4}} His hair is quite light and fine—complexion pale—cheeks full—temperament evidently sanguine—lips thin rather than thick, and by no means indicative of boldness or decision of character{{...|4}} But the Prophet's most remarkable...</comment>
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organization of the perceptive powers is un-
usually prominent{{...|4}} His forehead is
white, without a furrow, and, notwithstanding
the small facial angle, somewhat symmetrical{{...|4}} His hair is quite light and fine—complexion pale—cheeks full—temperament
evidently sanguine—lips thin rather than
thick, and by no means indicative of boldness
or decision of character{{...|4}} But the
Prophet's most remarkable feature is his eye;
not that it is very large, or very bright—very
thoughtful or very restless—even very deep
in its expression or location; for it is usually
neither of these{{...|4}} The hue is light
hazel, and it is shaded, and, at times, almost
veiled, by the longest, thickest, light lashes
you ever saw belonging to a man, whatever
the facts respecting the {{'}}dear women.{{'}} The
brows are, also, light and thick—indeed, pre-
cisely of that description called beetle-brow.
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To eke out these provisions we have eleven seals and 120 penguins already killed, but to get through the whole winter, even on half rations, we shall require several more seals, and the infrequency of their appearance is causing us all great anxiety.

The wind is incessant, but although strong and very cold, it at least has the merit of being usually free from drift, so that on most days we can work even if under very disadvantageous conditions.

There is plenty of work for all hands, for besides collecting the seals and penguins we have had to carry over our equipment, such as it is, and the provisions from our depôt at Hell's Gate to the site of the snow cave on Inexpressible Island, while three or four of us are usually at work there with pick and shovel.

We have selected a hard drift under the lee of a small hill and have commenced burrowing into it, using two short-handled ice-axes of Priestley's. It is slow work, but after a few hours we had a sheltered place to work in and made better progress.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;half closed and shaded by their long lashes, was quite as crafty as I ever beheld{{...|4}} His voice is low and soft, and his smile which is frequent, is agreeable.&quot;  In another letter the same correspondent gives a long account of his meeting Smith's mother, who showed him the Egyptian mum- mies, (which is another ridiculous claim and fraud of Smith's) told him who they were, and exhibited the translations, made by her son, of the papyri found with them...</comment>
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was quite as crafty as I ever beheld{{...|4}}
His voice is low and soft, and his smile which
is frequent, is agreeable.&quot;

In another letter the same correspondent
gives a long account of his meeting Smith's
mother, who showed him the Egyptian mum-
mies, (which is another ridiculous claim and
fraud of Smith's) told him who they were,
and exhibited the translations, made by her
son, of the papyri found with them. He con-
fesses that he does not know how the prophet
came into the possession of these so-called
&quot;mummies.&quot; Of the translation he says; &quot;Im-
portant and highly interesting incidents in the
lives of the patriarchs of Israel and the mon-
archs of Hebrew history are read from these
Egyptian records.&quot;

Two editorial notes; &quot;Our correspondent
at Nauvoo gives rather a minute description
of Gen. Joseph Smith. Should the great
Mormon ever find himself in prison-bounds{{peh|—}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||103}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;which he probably never will—this descrip- tion of his person will save the turnkey some little trouble, if he chooses to avail himself of it, for his prison books.&quot;  &quot;A petition from Joseph Smith, praying Congress to allow him to raise a company of volunteers, for the protection of emigrants to the unsettled territories of the United States, was presented in the House by Mr. Semple of Illinois on the 6th. What ''does'' it mean?&quot;  D  ON MORAL CONDITIONS...</comment>
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tion of his person will save the turnkey some
little trouble, if he chooses to avail himself
of it, for his prison books.&quot;

&quot;A petition from Joseph Smith, praying
Congress to allow him to raise a company of
volunteers, for the protection of emigrants to
the unsettled territories of the United States,
was presented in the House by Mr. Semple
of Illinois on the 6th. What ''does'' it mean?&quot;

D

ON MORAL CONDITIONS IN NAUVOO

In the preceding pages reference is made
to the awful moral conditions at Nauvoo. In
the Warsaw (Illinois) Signal, of Nov. 26,
1845, is a letter from C. Olney, &quot;elder of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,&quot;
entitled &quot;Spiritual Wifery at Nauvoo Ex-
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iniquity, inhabited by a people whose leaders
are whoremongers{{...|4}} And such are
the men influenced by such passions, who have
only to speak the word, and no crime is too
horrible, no act however mean and degrading,
too low for their police, as they are called,
to perform in order to carry out the designs
of their superiors{{...|4}} Profane lan-
guage is in common use with all classes.&quot; He
speaks of the opposition on the part of the
Gentiles and does not seem to wonder at it,
for &quot;I have heard prominent men as High
Priests and Presiding officers say that if a
Gentile comes in their way the best way to
do is to put him {{'}}out of the way{{'}} as quick as
possible.&quot; Much of the letter is too plain to
re-produce here. It comes from a believer in
Mormonism, but reveals a depth of depravity
and wickedness among the leaders at Nauvoo
and the people almost beyond belief. He
asserts that in the endowment house married&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh||105}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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vows and were allowed to decide whether they
would continue in them or choose other
partners.

There is much more material giving con-
clusive proof that the moral conditions and
the conduct of the leaders of this gigantic
fraud were about as bad as in any Sodom of
history.
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&quot;'What have you done, St. Lucia?'

&quot;Then he was going to hasten to Corte for help, but St. Lucia said in a stem tone: 

&quot;'If you move another step, I'll shoot you through the legs.' 

&quot;The other, aware that till now he had always appeared timid, said to him: 'You would not dare to do it!' and he 
was hurrying off when he fell, instaneously, his thigh shattered by a bullet. 

&quot;And St. Lucia, coming over to where he lay, said: 

&quot;'I am going to look at your wound; if it is not serious, I'll leave you there; if it is mortal, 111 finish you off.' 

&quot;He inspected the wound, considered it mortal, and slowly re-loading his gun, 
told the wounded man to say a prayer, and shot him through the head. 

&quot;Next day he was in the mountains. 

&quot;And do you know what this St. Lucia did after this? 

&quot;All his family were arrested by the gendarmes. His uncle, the curé, who was suspected of having incited him to 
this deed of vengeance, was himself put into prison, and accused by the dead 
man's relatives. But he escaped, took a gun in his turn, and went to join his nephew in the cave. 

&quot;Next, St. Lucia killed, one after the other, his uncle's accusers, and tore out 
their eyes to teach the others never to state what they had seen with their eyes. 

&quot;He killed all the relatives, all the 
connections of his enemy's family. He 
massacred during his life fourteen gen- 
darmes, burnp;;&quot; dv.wn the houses of his 
adversaries, and was up to the day of 
his d:;ath the mOLl: terrible of the bandits, whose memory we have preserved *&quot; 

^r 'r I* 'I* T* &quot;f* 

The sun disappeared behind Monte 
Cinto and the tall shadow of the granite 
mountain w^nt to sleep on the granita 
of the valley. We quickened our pace 
in order to reach before night the little 
village of Albertaccio, nothing better 
than a heap of stones welded beside the 
stone flanks of a wild gorge. And * 
said as I thought of the bandit: 

&quot;What a terrible custom your ven- 
detta is!&quot; 

My companion answered with an air 
of resignation: 

&quot;What would you have? A man must 
do his duty!&quot; 

Tbe Duel 

In society, they called him &quot;The 
handsome Signoles.&quot; He called himself 
Viscount Gontram Joseph de Signoles. 

An orphan and master of- a sufficient 
fortune, he cut something of a figure, as 
the saying is. He had an attractive 
form, enough readiness of speech to 

make some attempt at wit, a certain 
natural grace of manner, an air of no- 
bility and pride, and a mustache which 
was both formidable and pleasant to the 
eye — a thing that pleases the ladies. 

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&quot;'What have you done, St. Lucia?'

&quot;Then he was going to hasten to Corte for help, but St. Lucia said in a stern tone: 

&quot;'If you move another step, I'll shoot you through the legs.' 

&quot;The other, aware that till now he had always appeared timid, said to him: 'You would not dare to do it!' and he 
was hurrying off when he fell, instaneously, his thigh shattered by a bullet. 

&quot;And St. Lucia, coming over to where he lay, said: 

&quot;'I am going to look at your wound; if it is not serious, I'll leave you there; if it is mortal, 111 finish you off.' 

&quot;He inspected the wound, considered it mortal, and slowly re-loading his gun, 
told the wounded man to say a prayer, and shot him through the head. 

&quot;Next day he was in the mountains. 

&quot;And do you know what this St. Lucia did after this? 

&quot;All his family were arrested by the gendarmes. His uncle, the curé, who was suspected of having incited him to 
this deed of vengeance, was himself put into prison, and accused by the dead 
man's relatives. But he escaped, took a gun in his turn, and went to join his nephew in the cave. 

&quot;Next, St. Lucia killed, one after the other, his uncle's accusers, and tore out 
their eyes to teach the others never to state what they had seen with their eyes. 

&quot;He killed all the relatives, all the connections of his enemy's family. He 
massacred during his life fourteen gendarmes, burned down the houses of his 
adversaries, and was up to the day of 
his death the most terrible of the bandits, whose memory we have preserved.&quot; 

{{***|6}}

The sun disappeared behind Monte Cinto and the tall shadow of the granite 
mountain went to sleep on the granite of the valley. We quickened our pace 
in order to reach before night the little village of Albertaccio, nothing better 
than a heap of stones welded beside the stone flanks of a wild gorge. And I said as I thought of the bandit: 

&quot;What a terrible custom your ''vendetta'' is!&quot; 

My companion answered with an air of resignation: 

&quot;What would you have? A man must do his duty!&quot; 

{{c|{{larger|''The Duel ''}}}}

In society, they called him &quot;The 
handsome Signoles.&quot; He called himself 
Viscount Gontram Joseph de Signoles. 

An orphan and master of- a sufficient 
fortune, he cut something of a figure, as 
the saying is. He had an attractive 
form, enough readiness of speech to 

make some attempt at wit, a certain 
natural grace of manner, an air of no- 
bility and pride, and a mustache which 
was both formidable and pleasant to the 
eye — a thing that pleases the ladies. 

He was in demand in drawing-rooms, 
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&quot;'What have you done, St. Lucia?'

&quot;Then he was going to hasten to Corte for help, but St. Lucia said in a stern tone: 

&quot;'If you move another step, I'll shoot you through the legs.' 

&quot;The other, aware that till now he had always appeared timid, said to him: 'You would not dare to do it!' and he 
was hurrying off when he fell, instaneously, his thigh shattered by a bullet. 

&quot;And St. Lucia, coming over to where he lay, said: 

&quot;'I am going to look at your wound; if it is not serious, I'll leave you there; if it is mortal, I'll finish you off.' 

&quot;He inspected the wound, considered it mortal, and slowly re-loading his gun, 
told the wounded man to say a prayer, and shot him through the head. 

&quot;Next day he was in the mountains. 

&quot;And do you know what this St. Lucia did after this? 

&quot;All his family were arrested by the gendarmes. His uncle, the curé, who was suspected of having incited him to 
this deed of vengeance, was himself put into prison, and accused by the dead 
man's relatives. But he escaped, took a gun in his turn, and went to join his nephew in the cave. 

&quot;Next, St. Lucia killed, one after the other, his uncle's accusers, and tore out 
their eyes to teach the others never to state what they had seen with their eyes. 

&quot;He killed all the relatives, all the connections of his enemy's family. He 
massacred during his life fourteen gendarmes, burned down the houses of his 
adversaries, and was up to the day of 
his death the most terrible of the bandits, whose memory we have preserved.&quot; 

{{***|6}}

The sun disappeared behind Monte Cinto and the tall shadow of the granite 
mountain went to sleep on the granite of the valley. We quickened our pace 
in order to reach before night the little village of Albertaccio, nothing better 
than a heap of stones welded beside the stone flanks of a wild gorge. And I said as I thought of the bandit: 

&quot;What a terrible custom your ''vendetta'' is!&quot; 

My companion answered with an air of resignation: 

&quot;What would you have? A man must do his duty!&quot; 

{{c|{{larger|''The Duel ''}}}}

{{sc|In society}}, they called him &quot;The handsome Signoles.&quot; He called himself Viscount Gontram Joseph de Signoles. 

An orphan and master of a sufficient fortune, he cut something of a figure, as 
the saying is. He had an attractive form, enough readiness of speech to make some attempt at wit, a certain 
natural grace of manner, an air of nobility and pride, and a mustache which was both formidable and pleasant to the eye — a thing that pleases the ladies. 

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&quot;'What have you done, St. Lucia?'

&quot;Then he was going to hasten to Corte for help, but St. Lucia said in a stern tone: 

&quot;'If you move another step, I'll shoot you through the legs.' 

&quot;The other, aware that till now he had always appeared timid, said to him: 'You would not dare to do it!' and he 
was hurrying off when he fell, instaneously, his thigh shattered by a bullet. 

&quot;And St. Lucia, coming over to where he lay, said: 

&quot;'I am going to look at your wound; if it is not serious, I'll leave you there; if it is mortal, I'll finish you off.' 

&quot;He inspected the wound, considered it mortal, and slowly re-loading his gun, 
told the wounded man to say a prayer, and shot him through the head. 

&quot;Next day he was in the mountains. 

&quot;And do you know what this St. Lucia did after this? 

&quot;All his family were arrested by the gendarmes. His uncle, the curé, who was suspected of having incited him to 
this deed of vengeance, was himself put into prison, and accused by the dead 
man's relatives. But he escaped, took a gun in his turn, and went to join his nephew in the cave. 

&quot;Next, St. Lucia killed, one after the other, his uncle's accusers, and tore out 
their eyes to teach the others never to state what they had seen with their eyes. 

&quot;He killed all the relatives, all the connections of his enemy's family. He 
massacred during his life fourteen gendarmes, burned down the houses of his 
adversaries, and was up to the day of his death the most terrible of the bandits, whose memory we have preserved.&quot; 

{{***|6}}

The sun disappeared behind Monte Cinto and the tall shadow of the granite mountain went to sleep on the granite of the valley. We quickened our pace in order to reach before night the little village of Albertaccio, nothing better 
than a heap of stones welded beside the stone flanks of a wild gorge. And I said as I thought of the bandit: 

&quot;What a terrible custom your ''vendetta'' is!&quot; 

My companion answered with an air of resignation: 

&quot;What would you have? A man must do his duty!&quot; 

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{{rule|height=2px}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;disheveled men were staring at one another in tongue-tied bewilderment. Norris Endicott might have vanished into thin air, evaporated. The man who was to wed the Van Sutton heiress had been blotted out, eliminated.

As the group edged uneasily toward the door, a stray breeze, fragrant with the evening odors of the flower-lined lawn below, swept through the open window. A small object, half-buried in the curtain folds, fell with a soft thud to the floor. The nearest man stooped toward it almost unconsciously. It was a silver ball, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in diameter. With a shrug, he passed it to Adolph Van Sutton. The latter dropped it mechanically into his pocket.
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{{sc|The}} five o'clock sun was splashing its waning glow down on to the autumn-thinned trees when I pushed open the rustic gate of &quot;The Rosary&quot; the next afternoon to carry the somber problem that was beyond me to the wizard skill of Madelyn Mack.

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Today, I am very honored to recognize February 2025 as National Black History Month.

Every year, National Black History Month is an occasion to celebrate the contributions of so many black American patriots who have indelibly shaped our Nation’s history.

Throughout our history, black Americans have been among our country’s most consequential leaders, shaping the cultural and political destiny of our Nation in profound ways. American heroes such as Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Thomas Sowell, Justice Clarence Thomas, and countless others represent what is best in America and her citizens. Their achievements, which have monumentally advanced the tradition of equality under the law in our great country, continue to serve as an inspiration for all Americans. We will also never forget the achievements of American greats like Tiger Woods, who have pushed the boundaries of excellence in their respective fields, paving the way for others to follow.

This National Black History Month, as America prepares to enter a historic Golden Age, I want to extend my tremendous gratitude to black Americans for all they have done to bring us to this moment, and for the many future contributions they will make as we advance into a future of limitless possibility under my Administration.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim February 2025 as National Black History Month. I call upon public officials, educators, librarians, and all the people of the United States to observe this month with appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.
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I smiled—somewhat cynically, I will confess—as I pulled the old-fashioned knocker. There were few persons yet who knew, as I did, the shadows surrounding the wedding-night vanishing of Norris Endicott. Could Madelyn solve the problem that had already taken rank as the most baffling police case of five years?

The sphinx-like face of Susan Bolton greeted me on the other side of the door. She was dressed for the street in her prim bonnet and black silk gown. 

&quot;Miss Madelyn said you would be here, Miss Noraker,&quot; she greeted me. &quot;I thought I might meet you on my way to the Missionary Tea.&quot;

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&quot;No,&quot; said Sam, &quot;I forgot all about it, but I can write home about the old ones, and I've got one in cadet uniform taken at East Point.&quot;

&quot;Well, we mustn't forget to have you taken at St. Kisco, and we can mail the photos to The Lyre, but you must be careful not to overlook a thing like that again. The people will want to know what the hero who saved the country looked like.&quot;

&quot;Even if I don't do anything very wonderful,&quot; said Sam, &quot;and I hope I shall, I shall be taking part in a great work, and doing my share of civilizing and Christianizing a barbarous country. They have no conception of our civilized and refined manners, of the sway of law and order, of all our civilized customs, the result of centuries of improvement and effort.&quot;

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&quot;That's ''The Evening Star''; do you want it?&quot; and he handed it to him.

&quot;Good Lord! what's that frightful picture?&quot; said Cleary, as Sam opened the paper. &quot;Oh, I see; it's that lynching yesterday. Why, it's from a snap-shot; that's what I call enterprise! There's the darkey tied to the stake, and the flames are just up to his waist. My! how he squirms. It's fearful, isn't it? And look at the crowd! There are small boys bringing wood, and women and girls looking on, and, upon my word, a baby in arms, too! I know that square very well. I've often been there. That's the First Presbyterian Church there behind the stake. Rather a handsome building,&quot; and Cleary turned back to his own paper, while Sam settled down in his corner to read how the leading citizens gathered bones and charred flesh as mementoes and took them home to their children. No one could have guessed what he was reading from his expression, for his face spoke of nothing&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 122 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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One day at St. Kisco gave just time enough for the photographs, and most of the day was devoted to them. Sam was taken in twenty poses{{mdash}}in the act of leading his troops in a breach, giving the order to fire, charging bayonets himself with a musket supposed to have been taken from a dead foe, standing with his arms folded and his cap pulled over his eyes in the trenches, and waving his cap on a bastion in the moment of triumph. Cleary lay down so that his friend might be pictured with his foot upon his prostrate form. The photographer was one who made a specialty of such work, and was connected with a cinematograph company.

&quot;If you have good luck, sir, and become famous,&quot; he said, &quot;as your friend thinks you will, we'll fight your battles over again over there in the vacant lot; and then we'll work these in, and you'll soon be in every variety show in the country.&quot;

&quot;But I may be mounted on horseback,&quot; said Sam.
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{{sc|Long}}, long ago, there lived an old man and his wife who had three sons; the eldest was called Martin, the second Michael, while the third was named Jack.

One evening they were all seated round the table, eating their supper of bread and milk.

‘Martin,’ said the old man suddenly, ‘I feel that I cannot live much longer. You, as the eldest, will inherit this hut; but, if you value my blessing, be good to your mother and brothers.’

‘Certainly, father; how can you suppose I should do them wrong?’ replied Martin indignantly, helping himself to all the best bits in the dish as he spoke. The old man saw nothing, but Michael looked on in surprise, and Jack was so astonished that he quite forgot to eat his own supper.

A little while after, the father fell ill, and sent for his sons, who were out hunting, to bid him farewell. After giving good advice to the two eldest, he turned to Jack.

‘My boy,’ he said, ‘you have not got quite as much sense as other people, but if Heaven has deprived you of some of your wits, it has given you a kind heart. Always listen to what it says, and take heed to the words of your mother and brothers, as well as you are able!’ So saying the old man sank back on his pillows and died.

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&quot;We never do that, sir. Here's a saddle. Just sit on it across this chair, and when the time comes we'll work it in all right. We'll have a real horse over in the lot.&quot; And thus Sam was taken straddling a chair.

They left orders to send copies of the photographs to Homeville, Slowburgh, and to Miss Hunter who was still at East Point, and the remainder to ''The Lyre''. That very evening they boarded the transport and at daybreak sailed away over the great ocean. The ship was filled by various drafts for different regiments and men-of-war. Sam's regiment was already at the seat of war, but there were several captains and lieutenants assigned to it on board, as well as thirty or forty men. Sam felt entirely comfortable again for the first time since his resignation at East Point. He was in his element, the military world, once more. Everything was ruled by drum, fife, and bugle. He found the same feeling of intense patriotism again, which civilians can not quite attain&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 124 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;See here, Sam,&quot; said Cleary, not long after they had been out of sight of land, &quot;who are you for, Admiral Hercules or Admiral Slewey? We can't keep on the fence, that's evident, and if we get down on different sides we can't be friends, and that might upset all our plans, not to speak of the Benevolent Assimilation Trust.&quot;

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No sooner was the old man buried than Martin and Michael agreed that they would go into the world together to seek their fortunes, while Jack stayed at home with their mother. Jack would have liked nothing better than to sit and dream by the fire, but the mother, who was very old herself, declared that there was no work for him to do, and that he must seek it with his brothers.

So, one fine morning, all three set out; Martin and Michael carried two great bags full of food, but Jack carried nothing. This made his brothers very angry, for the day was hot and the bags were heavy, and about noon they sat down under a tree and began to eat. Jack was as hungry as they were, but he knew that it was no use asking for anything; and he threw himself under another tree, and wept bitterly.

‘Another time perhaps you won’t be so lazy, and will bring food for yourself,’ said Martin, but to his surprise Jack answered:

‘You are a nice pair! You talk of seeking your fortunes, so as not to be a burden on our mother, and you begin by carrying off all the food she has in the house!’

This reply was so unexpected that for some moments neither of the brothers made any answer. Then they offered their brother some of their food, and when he had finished eating they went their way once more.

Towards evening they reached a small hut, and knocking at the door, asked if they might spend the night there. The man, who was a wood-cutter, invited them in, and begged them to sit down to supper. Martin thanked him, but being very proud, explained that it was only shelter they wanted, as they had plenty of food with them; and he and Michael as once opened their bags and began to eat, while Jack hid himself in a corner. The wife,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Nobody knows anything about it, but we must make up our minds all the same. My idea is that Hercules is going to come out ahead; and as long as one seems as good as the other in other respects, I move that we go for Hercules.&quot;

&quot;Very well,&quot; said Sam, &quot;if you say so. He was in command, anyway, and more likely to be right.&quot;

So Sam and Cleary allied themselves with the Hercules party, which was in the majority. They became quite intimate with the naval officers who belonged to this faction, and saw more of them than of the army men. Sam was much interested in learning about the profession which kept alive at sea the same traditions which the army preserved on land. For the first few days of the voyage the rolling of the ship made him feel a little sick, and he concealed his failings as well as he could and kept to himself; but he proved to be on the whole a good sailor. He was particularly&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 126 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;It's strange,&quot; he remarked to Cleary, &quot;that tattooing is universal in the navy and comparatively rare in the army. I rather think the habit must have been common to both services, and somehow we have nearly lost it. It's a fine thing. It marks a man with noble symbols and mottoes, and commits him to an honorable life, indelibly I may say.&quot;

&quot;It's a little like branding a mule,&quot; said Cleary.

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Sam; &quot;the brand shows who owns the mule, and the tattooing shows a man belongs to his country.&quot;
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‘He shan’t have such a chance again,’ thought he; and the next morning he insisted on plunging into a thick forest where they were likely to meet nobody.

For a long time they wandered hither and thither, for they had no path to guide them; but at last they came upon a wide clearing, in the midst of which stood a castle. Jack shouted with delight, but Martin, who was in a bad temper, said sharply:

‘We must have taken the wrong turning! Let us go back.’

‘Idiot!’ replied Michael, who was hungry too, and, like many people when they are hungry, very cross also. ‘We set out to travel through the world, and what does it matter if we go to the right or to the left?’ And, without another word, took the path to the castle, closely followed by Jack, and after a moment by Martin likewise.

The door of the castle stood open, and they entered a great hall, and looked about them. Not a creature was to be seen, and suddenly Martin—he did not know why—felt a little frightened. He would have left the castle at once, but stopped when Jack boldly walked up to a door in the wall and opened it. He could not for very shame be outdone by his younger brother, and passed behind him, into another splendid hall, which was filled from floor to ceiling with great pieces of copper money.

The sight quite dazzled Martin and Michael, who emptied all the provisions that remained out of their bags, and heaped them up instead with handfuls of copper.
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&quot;Joke as you please, I think it's a patriotic custom.&quot;

&quot;Why don't you get tattooed then?&quot; asked Cleary.

&quot;Do you think there's anybody on board can do it?&quot; cried Sam enthusiastically.

&quot;Of course. Any of those blue-jackets can tell you whom to go to.&quot;

Sam was off before Cleary had finished his sentence. Sure enough, he found a boatswain who was renowned as an artist, and without further parley he delivered himself into his hands. Cleary was consulted on the choice of designs, and the result was pronounced by all the connoisseurs on board and there were many to be a masterpiece. On his chest was a huge spread-eagle with a bunch of arrows, bayonets, and lightning-flashes in his claws. Cannon belched forth on each side, and the whole was flanked by a sailor on one side and a soldier on the other. His arms were tattooed&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}{{rule}}{{c|[ 128 ]}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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‘It is hardly worth doing that,’ answered Jack; ‘for I picked up the pieces and ate them myself.’

At this reply both brothers were beside themselves with anger, and fell upon the boy, beating him, and calling him names, till they were quite tired.

‘Go where you like,’ cried Martin with a final kick; but never come near us again.’ And poor Jack ran weeping into the woods.

The next morning his brothers went home, and bought a beautiful house, where they lived with their mother like great lords.


Jack remained for some hours in hiding, thankful to be safe from his tormentors; but when no one came to trouble him, and his back did not ache so much, he began to think what he had better do. At length he made up his mind to go to the castle and take away as much money with him as would enable him to live in comfort for the rest of his life. This being decided, he sprang up, and set out along the path which led to the castle. As before, the door stood open, and he went on till he had reached the hall of gold, and there he took off his jacket and tied the sleeves together so that it might make a kind of bag. He then began to pour in the gold by handfuls, when, all at once, a noise like&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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One afternoon a report sprang up that land was in sight, and soon every eye was strained in one direction. Sam's eyesight was particularly good, and he was one of the first to detect the white gleam of a lighthouse. Soon the coast-line was distinct, and it was learned that they would arrive on the next day. By daybreak Sam was on deck, studying as well as he could this new land of heroism and adventure. Cleary joined him later, and the two friends watched the strange tropical shore with its palm-groves and occasional villages, and a range of mountains beyond. A bay opened before them, and the ship turned in, passing near an old fortification.

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‘I smell the smell of a man.’ And two giants entered.

‘So, little worm! it is ''you'' who steal our treasures!’ exclaimed the biggest. ‘Well, we have got you now, and we will cook you for supper!’ But here the other giant drew him aside, and for a moment or two they whispered together. At length the first giant spoke:

‘To please my friend I will spare your life on condition that, for the future, you shall guard our treasures. If you are hungry take this little table and rap on it, saying, as you do so: “The dinner of an emperor!” and you will get as much food as you want.’

With a light heart Jack promised all that was asked of him, and for some days enjoyed himself mightily. He had everything he could wish for, and did nothing from morning till night; but by-and-by he began to get very tired of it all.

‘Let the giants guard their treasures themselves,’ he said to himself at last; ‘I am going away. But I will leave all the gold and silver behind me, and will take nought but you, my good little table.’

So, tucking the table under his arm, he started off for the forest, but he did not linger there long, and soon found himself in the fields on the other side. There he saw an old man, who begged Jack to give him something to eat.

‘You could not have asked a better person,’ answered Jack cheerfully. And signing to him to sit down with him under a tree, he set the table in front of them, and struck it three times, crying:

‘The dinner of an emperor!’ He had hardly uttered the words when fish and meat of all kinds appeared on it!

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&quot;Wasn't it glorious! Just think of sailing straight on, no matter how many torpedoes there were!&quot; exclaimed Sam.

&quot;They knew blamed well there weren't any torpedoes,&quot; answered Cleary.

&quot;How could they have known? They hadn't ever been here before? There might perfectly well have been a lot of them directly under them.&quot;

&quot;Yes,&quot; said Cleary, &quot;they might have grown up from the bottom of the sea. All sorts of queer things grow here. There might have been a sort of coral torpedoes.&quot;

&quot;Cleary, you're getting more and more cynical every day. I wish you'd be more reasonable. What's the matter with you?&quot;

&quot;It must be the newspaper business. And then you see I don't wear a uniform either. That makes a lot of difference.&quot;

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crushed utterly, and breathed through and through
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And think how the nightingale, who is so shy
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| 11 || Abolition of prosecutions on behalf of or by local authorities
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| 12 || Minor and consequential amendments
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They say: ''Après moi le déluge!'' and calmly expect
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''Post me, nihil!''—But perhaps, my dears,
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Now, since he had been left to himself, Jack had grown ambitious, so, after a moment’s hesitation, he took the cornet and gave the table in exchange. The old man bade him farewell, and set off down one path, while Jack chose another, and for a long time he was quite pleased with his new possession. Then, as he felt hungry, he wished for his table back again, as no house was in sight, and he wanted some supper badly. All at once he remembered his cornet, and a wicked thought entered his mind.

‘Two hundred hussars, forward!’ cried he. And the neighing of horses and the clanking of swords was heard close at hand. The officer who rode at their head approached Jack, and politely inquired what he wished them to do.

‘A mile or two along that road,’ answered Jack, ‘you will find an old man carrying a table. Take the table from him and bring it to me.’

The officer saluted and went back to his men, who started at a gallop to do Jack’s bidding.

In ten minutes they had returned, bearing the table with them.

‘That is all, thank you,’ said Jack; and the soldiers disappeared inside the cornet.

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‘That is a very clever trick of yours. Give the table to me, and you shall have something still better.’

‘I don’t believe there ''is'' anything better,’ answered Jack.

‘Yes, there is. Here is my bag; it will give you as many castles as you can possibly want.’

Jack thought for a moment; then he replied: ‘Very well, I will exchange with you.’ And passing the table to the old man, he hung the bag over his arm.

Five minutes later he summonned five hundred lancers out of the cornet and bade them go after the old man and fetch back the table.

Now that by his cunning he had obtained possession of the three magic objects, he resolved to return to his native place. Smearing his face with dirt, and tearing his clothes so as to look like a beggar, he stopped the passers by and, on pretence of seeking money or food, he questioned them about the village gossip. In this manner he learned that his brothers had become great men, much respected in all the country round. When he heard that, he lost no time in going to the door of their fine house and imploring them to give him food and shelter; but the only thing he got was hard words, and a command to beg elsewhere. At length, however, at their mother’s entreaty, he was told that he might pass the night in the stable. Here he waited until everybody in the house was sound asleep, when he drew his bag from under his cloak, and desired that a castle might appear in that place; and the cornet gave him soldiers to guard the castle, while the table furnished him with a good supper. In the morning, he caused it all to vanish, and when his brothers entered the stable they found him lying on the straw.

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&quot;How were things when you got here? asked Cleary.

&quot;Well, it was like this,&quot; answered Foster. &quot;Nothing had happened then except the destruction of the fleet. Our fleet commanded the water of course, and the niggers had closed up round the city on land. The Castalians didn't have anything but the city, and when we came we wanted to take the city.&quot;

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‘Very well,’ answered Jack, ‘you can take it back with you. But tell his majesty that if he does not return it at the end of the three days I will make war upon him.’

So the chamberlain carried away the table and took it straight to the king, telling him at the same time of Jack’s threat, at which they both laughed till their sides ached.

Now the king was so delighted with the table, and the dinners it gave him, that when the three days were over he could not make up his mind to part with it. Instead, he sent for his carpenter, and bade him copy it exactly, and when it was done he told his chamberlain to return it to Jack with his best thanks. It happened to be dinner time, and Jack invited the chamberlain, who knew nothing of the trick, to stay and dine with him. The good man, who had eaten several excellent meals provided by the table in the last three days, accepted the invitation with pleasure, even though he was to dine in a stable, and sat down on the straw beside Jack.

‘The dinner of an emperor!’ cried Jack. But not even a morsel of cheese made its appearance.

‘The dinner of an emperor!’ shouted Jack in a voice of thunder. Then the truth dawned upon him; and, crushing the table between his hands, he turned to the chamberlain, who, bewildered and half-frightened, was wondering how to get away.
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The chamberlain hastened back to the palace, and gave the king Jack’s message, at which he laughed more than before, and called all his courtiers to hear the story. But they were not quite so merry when they woke next morning and beheld ten thousand horsemen, and as many archers, surrounding the palace. The king saw it was useless to hold out, and he took the white flag of truce in one hand, and the real table in the other, and set out to look for Jack.

‘I committed a crime,’ said he; ‘but I will do my best to make up for it. Here is your table, which I own with shame that I tried to steal, and you shall have besides, my daughter as your wife!’


There was no need to delay the marriage when the table was able to furnish the most splendid banquet that ever was seen, and after everyone had eaten and drunk as much as they wanted, Jack took his bag and commanded a castle filled with all sorts of treasures to arise in the park for himself and his bride.

At this proof of his power the king’s heart died within him.

‘Your magic is greater than mine,’ he said; ‘and you are young and strong, while I am old and tired. Take, therefore, the sceptre from my hand, and my crown from my head, and rule my people better than I have done.’

So at last Jack’s ambition was satisfied. He could not hope to be more than a king, and as long as he had his cornet to provide him with soldiers he was secure against his enemies. He never forgave his brothers for the way they had treated him, though he presented his mother with a beautiful castle, and everything she could possibly wish for. In the centre of his own palace was a treasure chamber, and in this chamber the table, the cornet, and the bag were kept as the most prized of all his possessions,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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For some time the kingdom remained, though it became weaker and weaker every year that passed. Then, one day, a rumour reached the king that a large army was marching against him. Vaguely he recollected some tales he had heard about a magic cornet which could provide as many soldiers as would serve to conquer the earth, and which had been removed by his grandfather to a cellar. Thither he hastened that he might renew his power once more, and in that black and slimy spot he found the treasures indeed. But the table fell to pieces as he touched it, in the cornet there remained only a few fragments of leathern belts which the rats had gnawed, and in the bag nothing but broken bits of stone.

And the king bowed his head to the doom that awaited him, and in his heart cursed the ruin wrought by the pride and foolishness of himself and his forefathers.

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start=follow|
Why should the deluge wait while these young gentry go on eating
good dinners for fifty more long years?
Why should our Latter-Day sinners expect such a long smooth run
for their very paltry little bit of money?
If you are expecting a Second Advent in the shape of a deluge
you mustn't expect it also to wait for your convenience.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|FATE AND THE YOUNGER GENERATION|
It is strange to think of the Annas, the Vronskys, the Pierres, all the Tolstoyan lot
wiped out.

And the Alyoshas and Dmitris and Myshkins and Stavrogins, the Dostoevsky lot
all wiped out.

And the Tchekov wimbly-wambly wet-legs all wiped out.
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Gone! Dead, or wandering in exile with their feathers plucked,
anyhow, gone from what they were, entirely.

Will the Proustian lot go next?
And then our English imitation intelligentsia?
Is it the ''Quos vult perdere Deus'' business?

Anyhow the Tolstoyan lot simply asked for extinction:
Eat me up, dear peasant!—So the peasant ate him.
And the Dostoevsky lot wallowed in the thought:
Let me sin my way to Jesus!—So they sinned themselves off the face of the earth.
And the Tchekov lot: I'm too weak and lovable to live!—So they went.
Now the Proustian lot: Dear darling death, let me wriggle my way towards you
like the worm I am!—So he wriggled and got there.
Finally our little lot: I don't want to die, but by Jingo if I do!—
—Well, it won't matter so very much, either.
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Whatever else they say of me
they'll never be able to say
I was one of the little blighters
who so brilliantly betray
the tough old England that made us
and in them is rotting away.

I'd betray the middle classes
and money and industry
and the intellectual asses
and cash christianity,

but not the England that made me
the stuff of a man,
the old England that doesn't upbraid me,
nor put me under a ban.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|THE ROSE OF ENGLAND|
Oh the rose of England is a single rose
and damasked red and white!
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But roses, if they're fed too much
change from being single and become gradually
double 
and that's what happened to the English rose.

The wild rose in a sheltered garden
when it need struggle no more
softly blows out its thin little male stamens
into broad sweet petals,
and through the centuries goes on and on
puffing its little male stamens out into sterile petal flames
till at last it's a full, full rose, and has no male dust any more,
it propagates no more.

So it is with Englishmen.
They are all double roses
and their true maleness is gone.

Oh the rose of England is a single rose
and needs to be raised from seed.
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England was always a country of men
and had a brave destiny, even when she went wrong.

Now it's a country of frightened old mongrels
snapping out of fear,
and young wash-outs pretending to be in love with death
yet living on the fat of the land;

so of course the nation is swollen with insoluble problems
and like to become incurably diseased inside.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|LIBERTY'S OLD OLD STORY|
Men fight for liberty, and win it with hard knocks.
Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools.
And their grandchildren are once more slaves.
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gray, and under our feet it seemed 
rasped, pounded; we were walking over 
shining powder. At our right, along a 
long and irregular course, a tumultuous 
torrent ran with a continuous roar. And 
we staggered along under this heat, in 
this light, in this burning, arid, desolate 
valley cut by this ravine of turbulent 
water which seemed to be ever hurrying 
onward, without being able to fertilize 
these rocks, lost in this furnace which greedily drank it up without being penetrated or refreshed by it. 

But suddenly there was visible at our 
right a little wooden cross sunk in a 
little heap of stones. A man had been 
killed there; and I said to my com- 
panion : 

&quot;Tell me about your bandits.'* 

He replied: 

&quot;I knew the most celebrated of them, 
the terrible St. Lucia. I will tell you his 
history. 

*'His father was killed in a quarrel by 
a young man of the same district, it is 
said; and St. Lucia was left alone with 
his sister. He was a weak and timid 
youth, small, often ill, without any 
energy. He did not proclaim the ven- 
detta against the assassin of his father. 
All his relatives came to see him, and 
implored of him to take vengeance; he 
remained deaf to their menaces and their 
supplications. 

&quot;Then, following the old Corsican 
custom, his sister, in her indignation, 
carried away his black clothes, in order 
that he might not wear mourning for a 
dead man who had not been avenged. 
He was insensible to even this outrage, 
and rather than take down from the rack 
his father's gun, which was still loaded, 

he shut himself up, not daring to brave 
the looks of the young men. of the 
district. 

&quot;He seemed to have even forgotten 
the crime, and he lived with his sister 
in the obscurity of their dwelling. 

&quot;But, one day, the man who was sus- 
pected of having committed the murder 
was about to get married. St. Lucia did 
not appear to be moved by this news; 
but, no doubt out of sheer bravado, the 
bridegroom, on his way to the church, 
passed before the two orphans' house. 

&quot;The brother and the sister, at their 
window, were eating little fried cakes 
when the young man saw the bridal 
procession moving past the house. Sud- 
denly he began to tremble, rose up with- 
out uttering a word, made the sign of 
the cross, took the gun which was hang- 
ing over the fireplace, and went out. 

&quot;When he spoke of this latei on, he 
said: 'I don't know whrit was the mat- 
ter with me; it was like fire in my 
blood; I felt that I should do it, that in 
spite of everything, I could not resist, 
I concealed the gun in a cave on the 
road to Corte.* 

&quot;An hour later, he came back, with 
nothing in his hand, and with his habit- 
ual sad air of weariness. His sister be- 
lieved that there was nothing further in 
his thoughts. 

&quot;But when night fell he disappeared. 

&quot;His enemy had, the same evening, to 
repair to Corte on foot, accompanied by 
his two bridesmen. 

&quot;He was pursuing his way, singing as 
he went, when St. Lucia stood before 
him, and looking straight in the mur- 
derer's face, exclaimed: 'Now is the 
time!' and shot him point-blank in the 
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shining powder. At our right, along a long and irregular course, a tumultuous torrent ran with a continuous roar. And 
we staggered along under this heat, in this light, in this burning, arid, desolate 
valley cut by this ravine of turbulent water which seemed to be ever hurrying onward, without being able to fertilize 
these rocks, lost in this furnace which greedily drank it up without being penetrated or refreshed by it. 

But suddenly there was visible at our right a little wooden cross sunk in a 
little heap of stones. A man had been killed there; and I said to my companion: 

&quot;Tell me about your bandits.&quot; 

He replied: 

&quot;I knew the most celebrated of them, the terrible St. Lucia. I will tell you his history. 

&quot;His father was killed in a quarrel by a young man of the same district, it is said; and St. Lucia was left alone with 
his sister. He was a weak and timid youth, small, often ill, without any energy. He did not proclaim the ''vendetta'' against the assassin of his father. All his relatives came to see him, and implored of him to take vengeance; he remained deaf to their menaces and their supplications. 

&quot;Then, following the old Corsican custom, his sister, in her indignation, carried away his black clothes, in order that he might not wear mourning for a dead man who had not been avenged. He was insensible to even this outrage, and rather than take down from the rack his father's gun, which was still loaded, he shut himself up, not daring to brave the looks of the young men. of the district. 

&quot;He seemed to have even forgotten the crime, and he lived with his sister in the obscurity of their dwelling. 

&quot;But, one day, the man who was sus- 
pected of having committed the murder 
was about to get married. St. Lucia did 
not appear to be moved by this news; 
but, no doubt out of sheer bravado, the 
bridegroom, on his way to the church, 
passed before the two orphans' house. 

&quot;The brother and the sister, at their 
window, were eating little fried cakes 
when the young man saw the bridal 
procession moving past the house. Sud- 
denly he began to tremble, rose up with- 
out uttering a word, made the sign of 
the cross, took the gun which was hang- 
ing over the fireplace, and went out. 

&quot;When he spoke of this latei on, he 
said: 'I don't know whrit was the mat- 
ter with me; it was like fire in my 
blood; I felt that I should do it, that in 
spite of everything, I could not resist, 
I concealed the gun in a cave on the 
road to Corte.* 

&quot;An hour later, he came back, with 
nothing in his hand, and with his habit- 
ual sad air of weariness. His sister be- 
lieved that there was nothing further in 
his thoughts. 

&quot;But when night fell he disappeared. 

&quot;His enemy had, the same evening, to 
repair to Corte on foot, accompanied by 
his two bridesmen. 

&quot;He was pursuing his way, singing as 
he went, when St. Lucia stood before 
him, and looking straight in the mur- 
derer's face, exclaimed: 'Now is the 
time!' and shot him point-blank in the 
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shining powder. At our right, along a long and irregular course, a tumultuous torrent ran with a continuous roar. And 
we staggered along under this heat, in this light, in this burning, arid, desolate 
valley cut by this ravine of turbulent water which seemed to be ever hurrying onward, without being able to fertilize 
these rocks, lost in this furnace which greedily drank it up without being penetrated or refreshed by it. 

But suddenly there was visible at our right a little wooden cross sunk in a 
little heap of stones. A man had been killed there; and I said to my companion: 

&quot;Tell me about your bandits.&quot; 

He replied: 

&quot;I knew the most celebrated of them, the terrible St. Lucia. I will tell you his history. 

&quot;His father was killed in a quarrel by a young man of the same district, it is said; and St. Lucia was left alone with 
his sister. He was a weak and timid youth, small, often ill, without any energy. He did not proclaim the ''vendetta'' against the assassin of his father. All his relatives came to see him, and implored of him to take vengeance; he remained deaf to their menaces and their supplications. 

&quot;Then, following the old Corsican custom, his sister, in her indignation, carried away his black clothes, in order that he might not wear mourning for a dead man who had not been avenged. He was insensible to even this outrage, and rather than take down from the rack his father's gun, which was still loaded, he shut himself up, not daring to brave the looks of the young men. of the district. 

&quot;He seemed to have even forgotten the crime, and he lived with his sister in the obscurity of their dwelling. 

&quot;But, one day, the man who was suspected of having committed the murder 
was about to get married. St. Lucia did not appear to be moved by this news; 
but, no doubt out of sheer bravado, the bridegroom, on his way to the church, passed before the two orphans' house. 

&quot;The brother and the sister, at their window, were eating little fried cakes when the young man saw the bridal 
procession moving past the house. Suddenly he began to tremble, rose up without uttering a word, made the sign of 
the cross, took the gun which was hanging over the fireplace, and went out. 

&quot;When he spoke of this later on, he said: 'I don't know what was the matter with me; it was like fire in my blood; I felt that I should do it, that in spite of everything, I could not resist, I concealed the gun in a cave on the road to Corte.' 

&quot;An hour later, he came back, with nothing in his hand, and with his habitual sad air of weariness. His sister believed that there was nothing further in his thoughts. 

&quot;But when night fell he disappeared. 

&quot;His enemy had, the same evening, to repair to Corte on foot, accompanied by his two bridesmen. 

&quot;He was pursuing his way, singing as he went, when St. Lucia stood before 
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Mandy W. Christensen and Christine M. Griffiths

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{{larger|'''ABSTRACT'''}}

'''Introduction:''' In children, females participate in sport and physical activity less than males and have lower peak oxygen intake values.

How this sexual dimorphism in the aerobic capacity of children affects the aerobic performances of children in a 1600-m race and
whether the reported discrepancy in sport and physical activity participation accounts for any sex differences in aerobic performance
are unknown. The purpose of this study was to 1) identify sex-based differences in aerobic running performance at 1600 m for children
aged 6–12 yr and 2) investigate sex-based differences in participation in children and any relationship between participation and sex
differences in aerobic performance.

'''Methods:''' We compared 1600-m running velocities (in m·s−1) and participation for 3621 children in the United States in grades 1–6
(ages 6–12 yr) for the years 2007–2014 that were obtained from a publicly available website (runnercard.com). We correlated the female participation with the performance difference between the sexes for each year and grade. We also created a mathematical model
to predict the mean velocity ( ῡe) needed to equalize the sex difference in performance if participation was equalized.

'''Results:''' Male children were faster (3.00 ± 0.53 m·s−1) than female children (2.77 ± 0.49 m·s−1) at every grade level, with an average
difference of 7.7% (P &lt; 0.001). Participation was lower for female children (46.2%; χ2 = 13.0, P = 0.02) and there was no correlation
between female participation and the performance difference between sexes (Pearson’s r = 0.255, P = 0.96). ῡe needed to equalize the
sex difference in performance if participation was equalized was 4.39 m·s−1, which was greater than the observed female mean plus
two standard deviations.

'''Conclusions:''' Male children are faster than female children at running 1600 m at ages 6–12 yr. This sex difference was not a result of
lower female participation and suggests that innate physiological sex differences may be responsible.

'''Keywords:''' aerobic performance, children, participation, sexual dimorphism
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Sex differences in physical capacity have been studied less in children than in adults. In adults, males have a physical performance
advantage because they are 40%–50% stronger and have a
10%–20% greater aerobic capacity than females of comparable
size and training status (1,2). However, because there is less size
difference in children and testosterone concentrations are similar
(3), many believe that, until puberty, little difference in physical
performance exists between female and male children (3–5). Even
though testosterone concentrations are similar in children, males
experience a transient surge in testosterone during fetal development and at 3–6 months old (6). This minipuberty may contribute
to increased growth velocity and less fat accumulation in males
and therefore could contribute to sex differences in performance
for children (7).

Small sex differences in aerobic capacity have been reported for
children. In 1952, Astrand (8) first reported that, in children aged
4–11 yr, males had absolute peak oxygen intake (V̇O2peak) values
that were 13%–17% higher than females. Since then, research in
children for decades has consistently shown that males have higher
V̇O2peak values than females (9–14), with an average difference of
10% prior to the age of 10 yr (15). Furthermore, data from fitness
testing in children aged 6–12 yr have consistently shown that
males outperform females in running, jumping, and throwing activities (16–19).
Recently, two studies in elite track-and-field youths have reported
sex-based differences in children in real-world sport performance.
Among youths aged 7–18 yr, males were faster than females at every age level at 100-, 200-, 400-, and 800-m distances. Male children also outperformed female children in the high and long jumps
for each age group (20). Similarly, male children were faster than
female children at 100, 200, 400, 800, and 1500 m for ages
6–10 yr (4). These studies found differences in elite populations
of children; however, sex differences in running performance for
a general population of children have not yet been characterized.
In addition to differences in performance, female children participate in sport and physical activity less frequently than male

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Mandy W. Christensen ORCID: 0009-0007-4872-4779
Department of Exercise Sciences, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT, USA

Address for correspondence: Mandy W. Christensen, Ph.D., Brigham Young University, 701 E University Parkway, 106 SFH, Provo, UT 84602, USA (E-mail: mandy_christensen@byu.edu).

Copyright © 2025 The Author(s). Published by Wolters Kluwer Health, Inc.

This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 (CCBY), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any
medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

How to cite this article: Mandy W. Christensen, Christine M. Griffiths. Sex Differences in 1600-m Running Performance and Participation for Children Aged 6–12 yr. Exerc Sport Mov
2025;3(3):e00051.

Received: February 25, 2025/ Accepted: May 15, 2025.

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'''Introduction:''' In children, females participate in sport and physical activity less than males and have lower peak oxygen intake values.

How this sexual dimorphism in the aerobic capacity of children affects the aerobic performances of children in a 1600-m race and
whether the reported discrepancy in sport and physical activity participation accounts for any sex differences in aerobic performance
are unknown. The purpose of this study was to 1) identify sex-based differences in aerobic running performance at 1600 m for children
aged 6–12 yr and 2) investigate sex-based differences in participation in children and any relationship between participation and sex
differences in aerobic performance.

'''Methods:''' We compared 1600-m running velocities (in m·s&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt;) and participation for 3621 children in the United States in grades 1–6
(ages 6–12 yr) for the years 2007–2014 that were obtained from a publicly available website (runnercard.com). We correlated the female participation with the performance difference between the sexes for each year and grade. We also created a mathematical model
to predict the mean velocity (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) needed to equalize the sex difference in performance if participation was equalized.

'''Results:''' Male children were faster &lt;math&gt;3.00 \pm 0.53 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt; than female children &lt;math&gt;2.77 \pm 0.49 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt; at every grade level, with an average difference of 7.7% &lt;math&gt;(P &amp;lt; 0.001)&lt;/math&gt;. Participation was lower for female children (46.2%; &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0, \ P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;) and there was no correlation between female participation and the performance difference between sexes (Pearson’s &lt;math&gt;r = 0.255, \ P = 0.96&lt;/math&gt;). The &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; needed to equalize the sex difference in performance if participation was equalized was &lt;math&gt;4.39 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;, which was greater than the observed female mean plus two standard deviations.

'''Conclusions:''' Male children are faster than female children at running 1600 m at ages 6–12 yr. This sex difference was not a result of
lower female participation and suggests that innate physiological sex differences may be responsible.

'''Keywords:''' aerobic performance, children, participation, sexual dimorphism
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Sex differences in physical capacity have been studied less in children than in adults. In adults, males have a physical performance
advantage because they are 40%–50% stronger and have a
10%–20% greater aerobic capacity than females of comparable
size and training status (1,2). However, because there is less size
difference in children and testosterone concentrations are similar
(3), many believe that, until puberty, little difference in physical
performance exists between female and male children (3–5). Even
though testosterone concentrations are similar in children, males
experience a transient surge in testosterone during fetal development and at 3–6 months old (6). This minipuberty may contribute
to increased growth velocity and less fat accumulation in males
and therefore could contribute to sex differences in performance
for children (7).

Small sex differences in aerobic capacity have been reported for
children. In 1952, Astrand (8) first reported that, in children aged
4–11 yr, males had absolute peak oxygen intake (V̇O2peak) values
that were 13%–17% higher than females. Since then, research in
children for decades has consistently shown that males have higher
V̇O2peak values than females (9–14), with an average difference of
10% prior to the age of 10 yr (15). Furthermore, data from fitness
testing in children aged 6–12 yr have consistently shown that
males outperform females in running, jumping, and throwing activities (16–19).
Recently, two studies in elite track-and-field youths have reported
sex-based differences in children in real-world sport performance.
Among youths aged 7–18 yr, males were faster than females at every age level at 100-, 200-, 400-, and 800-m distances. Male children also outperformed female children in the high and long jumps
for each age group (20). Similarly, male children were faster than
female children at 100, 200, 400, 800, and 1500 m for ages
6–10 yr (4). These studies found differences in elite populations
of children; however, sex differences in running performance for
a general population of children have not yet been characterized.
In addition to differences in performance, female children participate in sport and physical activity less frequently than male

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Mandy W. Christensen ORCID: 0009-0007-4872-4779
Department of Exercise Sciences, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT, USA

Address for correspondence: Mandy W. Christensen, Ph.D., Brigham Young University, 701 E University Parkway, 106 SFH, Provo, UT 84602, USA (E-mail: mandy_christensen@byu.edu).

Copyright © 2025 The Author(s). Published by Wolters Kluwer Health, Inc.

This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 (CCBY), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any
medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

How to cite this article: Mandy W. Christensen, Christine M. Griffiths. Sex Differences in 1600-m Running Performance and Participation for Children Aged 6–12 yr. Exerc Sport Mov
2025;3(3):e00051.

Received: February 25, 2025/ Accepted: May 15, 2025.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1249/ESM.0000000000000051&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{larger|'''ABSTRACT'''}}

'''Introduction:''' In children, females participate in sport and physical activity less than males and have lower peak oxygen intake values.

How this sexual dimorphism in the aerobic capacity of children affects the aerobic performances of children in a 1600-m race and
whether the reported discrepancy in sport and physical activity participation accounts for any sex differences in aerobic performance
are unknown. The purpose of this study was to 1) identify sex-based differences in aerobic running performance at 1600 m for children
aged 6–12 yr and 2) investigate sex-based differences in participation in children and any relationship between participation and sex
differences in aerobic performance.

'''Methods:''' We compared 1600-m running velocities (in m·s&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt;) and participation for 3621 children in the United States in grades 1–6
(ages 6–12 yr) for the years 2007–2014 that were obtained from a publicly available website (runnercard.com). We correlated the female participation with the performance difference between the sexes for each year and grade. We also created a mathematical model
to predict the mean velocity (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) needed to equalize the sex difference in performance if participation was equalized.

'''Results:''' Male children were faster &lt;math&gt;3.00 \pm 0.53 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt; than female children &lt;math&gt;2.77 \pm 0.49 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt; at every grade level, with an average difference of 7.7% &lt;math&gt;(P &lt; 0.001)&lt;/math&gt;. Participation was lower for female children (46.2%; &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0, \ P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;) and there was no correlation between female participation and the performance difference between sexes (Pearson’s &lt;math&gt;r = 0.255, \ P = 0.96&lt;/math&gt;). The &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; needed to equalize the sex difference in performance if participation was equalized was &lt;math&gt;4.39 \ \mathrm{m \cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;, which was greater than the observed female mean plus two standard deviations.

'''Conclusions:''' Male children are faster than female children at running 1600 m at ages 6–12 yr. This sex difference was not a result of
lower female participation and suggests that innate physiological sex differences may be responsible.

'''Keywords:''' aerobic performance, children, participation, sexual dimorphism
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Sex differences in physical capacity have been studied less in children than in adults. In adults, males have a physical performance
advantage because they are 40%–50% stronger and have a
10%–20% greater aerobic capacity than females of comparable
size and training status (1,2). However, because there is less size
difference in children and testosterone concentrations are similar
(3), many believe that, until puberty, little difference in physical
performance exists between female and male children (3–5). Even
though testosterone concentrations are similar in children, males
experience a transient surge in testosterone during fetal development and at 3–6 months old (6). This minipuberty may contribute
to increased growth velocity and less fat accumulation in males
and therefore could contribute to sex differences in performance
for children (7).

Small sex differences in aerobic capacity have been reported for
children. In 1952, Astrand (8) first reported that, in children aged
4–11 yr, males had absolute peak oxygen intake (V̇O2peak) values
that were 13%–17% higher than females. Since then, research in
children for decades has consistently shown that males have higher
V̇O2peak values than females (9–14), with an average difference of
10% prior to the age of 10 yr (15). Furthermore, data from fitness
testing in children aged 6–12 yr have consistently shown that
males outperform females in running, jumping, and throwing activities (16–19).
Recently, two studies in elite track-and-field youths have reported
sex-based differences in children in real-world sport performance.
Among youths aged 7–18 yr, males were faster than females at every age level at 100-, 200-, 400-, and 800-m distances. Male children also outperformed female children in the high and long jumps
for each age group (20). Similarly, male children were faster than
female children at 100, 200, 400, 800, and 1500 m for ages
6–10 yr (4). These studies found differences in elite populations
of children; however, sex differences in running performance for
a general population of children have not yet been characterized.
In addition to differences in performance, female children participate in sport and physical activity less frequently than male

{{rule}}
Mandy W. Christensen ORCID: 0009-0007-4872-4779
Department of Exercise Sciences, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT, USA

Address for correspondence: Mandy W. Christensen, Ph.D., Brigham Young University, 701 E University Parkway, 106 SFH, Provo, UT 84602, USA (E-mail: mandy_christensen@byu.edu).

Copyright © 2025 The Author(s). Published by Wolters Kluwer Health, Inc.

This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 (CCBY), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any
medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

How to cite this article: Mandy W. Christensen, Christine M. Griffiths. Sex Differences in 1600-m Running Performance and Participation for Children Aged 6–12 yr. Exerc Sport Mov
2025;3(3):e00051.

Received: February 25, 2025/ Accepted: May 15, 2025.

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Throughout our Nation’s history, our schools have been the gateway to the American Dream, the portal to American prosperity, and the foundation of the American spirit. During this National School Choice Week, we reaffirm our commitment to empowering American parents with the freedom to choose the education that best suits their values, matches their children’s needs, and equips their families to lead long, flourishing, and fulfilling lives.

As American citizens, one of our most righteous obligations is to uplift the youngest among us, and to remove the hurdles obstructing the dreams of our children, our grandchildren, and generations yet unborn. During my first term, our Nation made tremendous progress on educational freedom. With support from my Administration, dozens of States enacted school choice programs that empowered millions of parents and inspired children to seize their futures. But there is still more work to do. As we return authority over education from Washington to the States, and from bureaucrats to parents, I recommit to working with State and Federal lawmakers to provide educational freedom for every American family.

School choice is not only about returning freedom to our classrooms, but also about common sense. Freedom in education leads to higher graduation rates, increased competition among schools, and improved reading and math scores. School choice is also closely linked to school safety, as it allows parents to play a primary role in protecting their children. As we begin bringing down costs for families, educational freedom proves far more efficient than the outdated system we have been stuck with, generating up to $23.8 billion in net fiscal savings for American taxpayers.

As President, I will never stop fighting for every American child to receive the world-class education they deserve. I will work tirelessly to ensure America’s education system harnesses and achieves its full potential. Whether their education is through homeschooling or charter, public, or parochial schools, we will renew safety, security, and sanity in our classrooms.

This National School Choice Week, we resolve to promote a Nation, a culture, and a future that empowers our children, fortifies our freedom, secures our destiny, and unleashes the full potential of American ingenuity for many years to come. America’s golden age begins in the classroom, and when we rebuild the best education system in the world, the future will truly be ours.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 26, 2025 to February 1, 2025, as National School Choice Week.
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come for the opening of the hunting 
season. Why spoil the pleasure of our 
friends by inflicting on them fashionable 
toilettes after a day of vigorous exer- 

cise in the country? This is the ^ay, 

child, that men are spoiled. I embrace 

you. 

Your old aunt, Genevieve de L. 

The Corskan Bandit 

The road, with a gentle winding, 
reached the middle of the forest. The 
huge pine-trees spread above our heads 
a mournful-looking vault, and gave 
forth a kind of long, sad wail, while at 
either side their straight, slender trunks 
formed, as it were, an army of organ- 
pipes, from which seemed to issue the 
low, monotonous music of the wind 
through the tree-tops. 

After three hours' walking there was 
an opening in this row of tangled 
branches. Here and there an enormous 
pine-parasol, separated from the others, 
opening like an immense umbrella, dis- 
played its dome of dark green; then, all 
of a sudden, we gained the boundary of 
the forest, some hundreds of meter? be- 
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valley of Niolo. 

On the two projecting heights which 
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old trees, grotesquely twisted, seemed 
to have mounted with painful efforts, 
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but a valley such as I had never seen 
before, a solitude of stone ten leagues 
long, hollowed out between two high 
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My companion said to me: &quot;It is 
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Not a blade of grass, not a plant — 
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During the absence of this party some surveying work was accomplished, and the astronomical observations taken by the navigating officers in conjunction linked on the work of Griffith Taylor and Debenham to the main survey. Off shore soundings were obtained by Rennick with a view to throwing light on the neighbouring glacier movements. Pennell carried out magnetic observations, Lillie trawled with the Agassiz and obtained a fine haul, which included enormous sponges. In short, the usual beehive industry in the scientific work was maintained.

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Every day, untold numbers of our friends, relatives, neighbors, and coworkers are affected by the devastating affliction of heart disease. As the Nation’s leading cause of death, cardiovascular disease has stolen infinite lives, crushed countless families, and imposed unimaginable heartbreak upon Americans of every walk of life. This American Heart Month, we mourn and pray for those we have lost and recommit ourselves to ending the deadly plight of heart disease once and for all.

Thanks to advancements in medicine, science, and technology, our Nation has made tremendous strides in combatting heart disease—and the American people are now better equipped than ever before to receive lifesaving treatments, respond to medical complications, and modify behavior and habits to ensure they can lead long and healthy lives.

But even one soul lost to heart disease is a tragedy beyond comprehension. To that end, my Administration will work diligently to save lives, lower healthcare costs, and foster a stronger, safer, and healthier future for every citizen. For as long as I am President, I will always be an unwavering advocate for improving the health of every American.

The first step in confronting the cardiac disease crisis is taking concrete action to lower the odds of diagnosis—and encouraging those in our lives to take all necessary measures to root out unhealthy habits. Research has consistently shown that risk factors contributing to heart disease include obesity, high blood pressure and cholesterol, lack of exercise, excessive alcohol use, and smoking. Making small adjustments to our health and routines can yield extraordinary and even life-saving results. My Administration is also steadfastly committed to cracking down on Big Pharma and ending the chronic disease epidemic. And we will fulfill our pledge to investigate what has caused the decades-long increase in health problems and childhood diseases—including obesity, autoimmune disorders, infertility, and autism. As Americans, we owe it to ourselves and our families to take care of our bodies—and to cherish God’s gift of life for as long and as vigorously as we can.

As we enter into this American Heart Month, let us seek to improve our health, lengthen our lives, and nurture a culture, a government, and a Nation that upholds the dignity of life and protects the human heart.

In acknowledgement of the importance of the ongoing fight against cardiovascular disease, the Congress, by Joint Resolution approved on December 30, 1963, as amended (36 U.S.C. 101), has requested that the President issue an annual proclamation designating February as American Heart Month.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim February 2025 as American Heart Month, and I invite all Americans to participate in National Wear Red Day on February 7, 2025. I also invite the Governors of the States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, officials of other areas subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and the American people to join my Administration in recognizing and restating our pledge to fighting heart disease in all its forms.
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After a delay of seven or eight hours Bruce reported the ice to be opening tremendously, and we accordingly proceeded on January 25, as soon as steam was ready. Very gradually the old ship worked towards Terra Nova Bay. Shortly after noon we won through into a very big open lead and could make five knots on our course. We stopped to sound at 8 {{sc|a.m.}} and noon, the soundings showing 437, 625, and 515 fathoms. These soundings show a 'deep' which I believe Professor David rather suspected. They were really taken for his benefit.

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YIpso.

plate, telero; (photo) klisajo,

(of Paris)

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play, ludi; teatrajo. ful,
petola,

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(of Paris)

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perono, trotuaro,

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petola,

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plank, tabulo.

plant, kreskajo ; planti.

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plaster, plastro;
YIpso.

plate, telero; (photo) klisajo,

(of Paris)

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perono, trotuaro,

play, ludi; teatrajo. ful,
petola,

please, placi al, kontentigi.
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plank, tabulo.

plant, kreskajo ; planti.

plash, platidi.

plaster, plastro;
YIpso.

plate, telero; (photo) klisajo,

(of Paris)

plattorm, estradv; platajo;
perono, trotuaro,

play, ludi; teatrajo. ful,
petola,

please, placi al, kontentigi.
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pledge, garantiajo.
pliable, fleksebla.
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plum, prunu,
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planet, planedo,

plank, tabulo.

plant, kreskajo ; planti.

plash, platidi.

plaster, plastro;
YIpso.

plate, telero; (photo) klisajo,

(of Paris)

plattorm, estradv; platajo;
perono, trotuaro,

play, ludi; teatrajo. ful,
petola,

please, placi al, kontentigi.
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pledge, garantiajo.
pliable, fleksebla.
plot, konspir’i, -o ;
plough, plug’i, -ilo.
plum, prunu,
plumber, plumbisto.
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plush, pluso.

pocket, poso, enposigi.
pod, selo.

poem, poemo.

poet, pocto.

poetry, poezio, versajo.

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plot, konspir’i, -o ;
plough, plug’i, -ilo.
plum, prunu,
plumber, plumbisto.
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plush, pluso.

pocket, poso, enposigi.
pod, selo.

poem, poemo.

poet, pocto.

poetry, poezio, versajo.

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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;[(\,n_{\text{male}} - n_{\text{female}}\,)] \times n_{\text{male}}^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

&lt;p id=&quot;JCL-P-19&quot;&gt;
Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (&lt;a href=&quot;#T2&quot;&gt;Table 2&lt;/a&gt;).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt; (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
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youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
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performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;[(\,n_{\text{male}} - n_{\text{female}}\,)] \times n_{\text{male}}^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

&lt;p id=&quot;JCL-P-19&quot;&gt;
Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (&lt;a href=&quot;#T2&quot;&gt;Table 2&lt;/a&gt;).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt; (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;[(\,n_{\text{male}} - n_{\text{female}}\,)] \times n_{\text{male}}^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

&lt;p id=&quot;JCL-P-19&quot;&gt;
Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (&lt;a href=&quot;#T2&quot;&gt;Table 2&lt;/a&gt;).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
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| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;[(\,n_{\text{male}} - n_{\text{female}}\,)] \times n_{\text{male}}^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

&lt;p id=&quot;JCL-P-19&quot;&gt;
Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (&lt;a href=&quot;#T2&quot;&gt;Table 2&lt;/a&gt;).
&lt;/p&gt;

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;[(\,n_{\text{male}} - n_{\text{female}}\,)] \times n_{\text{male}}^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
* Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}} \times (\,n_{\text{male}} + n_{\text{female}}\,)^{-1} \times 100\%,&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
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| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
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&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;
{{center|

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
}}
&lt;/div&gt;


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="7991" sha1="k229e51n4dy9vvdfzh3tjir2ozfjq0k" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;FruitJ&quot; /&gt;{{right|'''Exercise, Sport, and Movement'''}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;children (21–23), indicating a sex difference in participation. Some
have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).
}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}
&lt;div style=&quot;margin-top:0.5em; font-size:90%;&quot;&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation (''χ''&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; = 13.0, ''P'' = 0.02).


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}

{{smaller|
The number of female children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and male children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) who participated is presented. The female participation percentage is calculated as &lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;. The percentage
sex difference in performance was calculated as &lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt;.

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0&lt;/math&gt;, &lt;math&gt;\quad P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}

{{x-smaller|
The number of female children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and male children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) who participated is presented. The female participation percentage is calculated as &lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;. The percentage
sex difference in performance was calculated as &lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt;.

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0&lt;/math&gt;, &lt;math&gt;\quad P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Table 1: Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}

{{x-smaller|
The number of female children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and male children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) who participated is presented. The female participation percentage is calculated as &lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;. The percentage
sex difference in performance was calculated as &lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt;.

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0&lt;/math&gt;, &lt;math&gt;\quad P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

&lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
&lt;/math&gt;

Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;
|+ Table 1: Participation by Grade and Sex.
! style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Grade
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;female&lt;/sub&gt;
! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
! Total
! Female Participation
! Performance Difference
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 1
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 341
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 8.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.4%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.3%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 10.7%
|-
| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | Total
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 3621
| 46.2%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.7%
|}

{{x-smaller|
The number of female children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and male children (&lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) who participated is presented. The female participation percentage is calculated as &lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;. The percentage
sex difference in performance was calculated as &lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;.

&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0&lt;/math&gt;, &lt;math&gt;\quad P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

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\overline{v}_e \;=\;\bigl(\sum v_{\mathrm{male}} \;-\;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}\bigr)\;\times\;(n_{\mathrm{male}} - n_{\mathrm{female}})^{-1}
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Finally, we compared &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt; to the actual female mean velocity &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt; and to the actual female mean velocity plus two standard deviations: &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_{\mathrm{female}} + 2\sigma&lt;/math&gt;. We did this for each grade individually and for all grades combined (Table 2).

{{ph|{{larger|'''RESULTS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Sex-Based Performance Differences'''''}}
Male children were faster than female fhildren for every grade (&lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.001&lt;/math&gt;) (Fig. 1), wirh agerage differences ranging from 7.3%&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|2}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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have suggested that a sex difference in participation might explain
a performance difference. Indeed, in elite marathon runners, a
lower female/male participation ratio resulted in an increased sex
difference in performance (24,25). However, in elite track and field
youth, sex differences in running times were consistent across
places 1–50 in all running events (100, 200, 400, and 800 m), suggesting that depth of field did not contribute to sex differences in
performance (20). It is therefore unclear whether reduced participation among females contributes to the observed sex difference
in the aerobic performance of children.

We identified a large dataset from a general population of children aged 6–12 yr who voluntarily competed in a 1600-m race.
This unique dataset allows us to measure sex differences in voluntary
participation in conjunction with sex differences in aerobic running
performance across a range of ages and abilities and to determine
whether female participation contributes to the sex differences in
performance. If sex differences in aerobic performance are conserved through a broad range of abilities and ages, this is evidence
that innate physiological differences, not lower participation by
girls, explain the sex difference in aerobic performance of children.

Consequently, the purpose of this study was to identify sex-based
differences in aerobic running performance and participation for
a 1600-m race in a general population of children in the United
States in grades 1–6 and to test the hypothesis that lower participation by females accounts for the sex difference in performance. We
hypothesized that male children would be faster and have higher
participation than female children and that lower participation by
females would not account for the sex difference in performance.

{{ph|{{larger|'''METHODS'''}}}}
{{ph|'''''Data Collection'''''}}
All data were accessed from runnercard.com (Provo, UT, USA), a publicly available online source. The study was approved by the Brigham Young University (BYU) Institutional Review Board as exempt from full ethical review.

Data were collected for the BYU Triple Crown Elementary School race held annually from 2007 to 2014 by BYU Track and Field as an open invitation event for all elementary children in the area. Children in grades 1–6 (ages 6–12 yr) were encouraged to represent their schools, but participation was voluntary. Separate races for males and females were held for each grade over the 8 yr of competition. In total, 104 elementary schools (public, private, and homeschool) were represented, and 1672 female and 1949 male race times were collected from 96 races (six grades × 8 yr × two sexes). Table 1 shows the total number of participants by grade and sex.
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! ''n''&lt;sub&gt;male&lt;/sub&gt;
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| align=&quot;right&quot; | 464
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 805
| 42.4%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 2
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 275
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 360
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 635
| 43.3%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 3
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 292
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 304
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 596
| 49.0%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 4
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 301
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 309
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 610
| 49.3%
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 7.3%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 5
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 249
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 293
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 542
| 45.9%
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| style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot; | 6
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 214
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 219
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 433
| 49.4%
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| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1672*
| align=&quot;right&quot; | 1949
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&lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Total female participation was significantly lower than male participation &lt;math&gt;\chi^2 = 13.0&lt;/math&gt;, &lt;math&gt;\quad P = 0.02&lt;/math&gt;.}}


{{ph|'''''Data Calculations'''''}}
Average running velocity (in &lt;math&gt;\mathrm{m\cdot s}^{-1}&lt;/math&gt;) was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;(1600\ \mathrm{m}) \times (\text{finishing time},\ \mathrm{s})^{-1}.&lt;/math&gt; 

The percentage sex difference in performance was calculated as follows: 
&lt;math&gt;[(\text{male mean velocity}) - (\text{female mean velocity})] \times (\text{male mean velocity})^{-1} \times 100\%.&lt;/math&gt; 

The female participation percentage was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;(n_{\text{female}}) \times \left[ (n_{\text{male}}) + (n_{\text{female}}) \right]^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt; 
and the percentage sex difference in participation was calculated as 
&lt;math&gt;\left[ (n_{\text{male}}) - (n_{\text{female}}) \right] \times (n_{\text{male}})^{-1} \times 100\%&lt;/math&gt;, 
where &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{female}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of females and &lt;math&gt;n_{\text{male}}&lt;/math&gt; is the number of males. The percentage of female children in the top 10 % was determined by combining all the children’s velocities by grade, ranking them from fastest to slowest, and then calculated as follows: (females in the top 10%) × (total males and females in top 10%)&lt;sup&gt;−1&lt;/sup&gt; × 100%.

{{ph|'''''Statistical Analysis'''''}}
A two-way analysis of variance was used to compare the dependent variable of velocity between the independent variables of grade and sex. A Bonferroni post-hoc analysis was used to determine individual pairwise differences.

Participation data were organized for each race by year and grade, and a contingency table was created in which rows represented the cumulative counts by grade and columns represented sex. A chi-square test for independence was used to compare the frequencies in participation by sex. The relationship between female participation percentage and the percentage sex difference in performance was investigated using a Pearson’s correlation coefficient.

For all data, assumptions of normality and homoscedasticity were accounted for with appropriate statistical tools including histogram plots, Q-Q plots, residual plots, the Shapiro–Wilk test, and Levene’s test. Data are reported as mean ± standard deviation. For all statistical tests, significance was set at &lt;math&gt;P &lt; 0.05&lt;/math&gt;.

{{ph|'''''Mayhematical Model'''''}}
To further investigate the relationship between participation and performance differences, we created a mathematical model to calculate the mean velocity that would be needed to equalize the mean velocities between the sexes (&lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;) if we mathematically equalized the number of males (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the number of females (&lt;math&gt;n_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) in each grade. To calculate &lt;math&gt;\overline{v}_e&lt;/math&gt;, we summed the male velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{male}}&lt;/math&gt;) and the female velocities (&lt;math&gt;\sum v_{\mathrm{female}}&lt;/math&gt;) and found the difference. We then divided that difference by the difference in the number of males and females who participated. The formula is as follows:

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Hardworking Americans are the backbone of our great Nation. Our workforce is the best in the world, and my Administration is dedicated to giving our students and workers the tools they need to succeed in a time where emerging technologies are advancing at an unprecedented pace. During Career and Technical Education Month, we reaffirm our belief in excellence by putting America first and investing in the best training and retraining opportunities that will result in a stronger workforce and a booming economy.

Under my leadership, America will once again champion a culture where hard work is rewarded and equip our people with real skills for real careers that our communities are in desperate need to fill. During my first term, I proudly signed the Strengthening Career and Technical Education for the 21st Century Act, which provided millions of students with excellent vocational opportunities. And we saw unparalleled growth and economic development, empowering students and workers to undertake new high-wage careers, especially in science, technology, and engineering. We will make technology work for Americans, not Americans for technology.

America is well-positioned at the forefront of innovation and entrepreneurship, and our history of ingenuity and grit is unrivaled. Over the next 4 years, we will rebuild our economy, raise wages, and strengthen families. My Administration will invest in the next generation and expand access to high-quality career and technical education for all Americans. We will unleash the enormous potential of the American people and provide students and workers with the necessary skills training to ensure that our Nation dominates the 21st century.

This February, we celebrate our incredible workers who are making America bigger, better, and more beautiful than ever before. By offering more alternatives to higher education, we will train college-aged kids in relevant skills for the 21st century economy. We will put America first, invest in our people, and lead the world into a new golden age.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim February 2025 as Career and Technical Education Month.
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The ship sailed from Lyttelton on her homeward voyage on March 13, 1913, under the command of Lieutenant Pennell. In the ward room, besides the Captain, were Rennick, Nelson, Lillie, Levick, Anderson, Mr. Williams, and Mr. Cheetham. When Bruce went home by mail steamer with Lady Scott, Nelson volunteered for the position of second mate, and proved himself a most efficient officer. Mr. Gibson Anderson of Christchurch volunteered for the voyage, and was taken on for coal trimming.

The ship had thirteen dogs on board, going home as pets of various members. Davies built platforms for the dogs; these stood about ten inches off the deck and had a ledge three or four inches high, so that in wet weather the animals would be off the decks and in hot weather have air circulating under them, while, when the ship was rolling, they had the ledges to support themselves against. These platforms were a great comfort to them.

It was intended to run down the Great Circle track to 56° South and then east along that parallel. The ship made a good run down to 56° South, but then met easterly winds, fortunately, however, being able to {{left sidenote|{{smaller|''March'' 23, 1913, 56° 2′ ''S''., 156° 25′ ''W''.}}}} pass about fifteen miles north of where the Nimrod group is charted (from information received nearly a hundred years ago), and got two soundings, both over 2000 fathoms. Captain Davis in the ''Nimrod'' on her way home in 1909 passed right over the charted position, but weather prevented&lt;noinclude&gt;{{sidenotes end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Today, I am very honored to recognize February 9, 2025, as the first ever Gulf of America Day.

On January 20, 2025, I signed [[Executive Order 14172]] (‘‘Restoring Names That Honor American Greatness’’). Among other actions, that Executive Order required the Secretary of the Interior, acting pursuant to 43 U.S.C. 364 through 364f, to ‘‘take all appropriate actions to rename as the ‘Gulf of America’ the U.S. Continental Shelf area bounded on the northeast, north, and northwest by the State of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and extending to the seaward boundary with Mexico and Cuba in the area formerly named as the Gulf of Mexico.’’

I took this action because, as stated in that order, ‘‘[t]he area formerly known as the Gulf of Mexico has long been an integral asset to our once burgeoning Nation and has remained an indelible part of America.’’

Today, I am making my first visit to the Gulf of America since its renaming. As my Administration seeks to restore American pride in the history of American greatness, I think it is fitting and appropriate for our great Nation to come together and commemorate this momentous occasion and the renaming of the Gulf of America.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim February 9, 2025, as Gulf of America Day. I call upon public officials and all the people of the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.
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New brooms sweep clean
but they often raise such a dust in the sweeping
that they choke the sweeper.
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One cannot now help thinking
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if Vronsky and Anna Karenin
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instead of leaving it to Lenin.

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had blasted the sickly air
of Dostoevsky and Tchekov,
and spy-government everywhere.

But Tolstoi was a traitor
to the Russia that needed him most,
the clumsy, bewildered Russia
so worried by the Holy Ghost.
He shifted his job on to the peasants
and landed them all on toast.

Dostoevsky, the Judas
with his sham christianity
epileptically ruined
the last bit of sanity
left in the hefty bodies
of the Russian nobility.

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and our sainty-saints let us down,
and a sickly people will slay us
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Too much of the humble Willy wet-leg
and the holy can't-help-it touch,
till you've ruined a nation's fibre
and they loathe all feeling as such,
and want to be cold and devilish hard
like machines—and you can't wonder much.—
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Why are women so energetic?
prancing their knees under their tiny skirts
like war-horses; or war-ponies at least!

Why are they so centrifugal?
Why are they so bursting, flinging themselves about?
Why, as they grow older, do they suffer from blood-pressure?

Why are they never happy to be still?
Why did they cut off their long hair
which they could comb by the hour in luxurious quiet?
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had had to take him for one night only, in the flesh,
how they'd have hated him!

Hated him just because he was a man
and flesh of a man.
For the luscious filmy imagination loathes the male substance
with deadly loathing.

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helped to kill him in the flesh.
Such adoration pierces the loins and perishes the man
worse than the evil eye.
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{{tpp|FEMALE COERCION|
If men only fought outwards into the world
women might be devoted and gentle.
The fight's got to go in some direction.
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But when men turn Willy wet-legs
women start in to make changes;
only instead of changing things that might be changed
they want to change the man himself
and turn the poor silk glove into a lusty sow's ear.
And the poor Willy wet-legs, the soft silk gloves
how they hate the women's efforts to turn them
into sow's ears!

The modern Circe-dom!
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{{tpp|VOLCANIC VENUS|
What has happened in the world?
the women are like little volcanoes
all more or less in eruption.

It is very unnerving, moving in a world of smouldering volcanoes.
It is rather agitating, sleeping with a little Vesuvius.
And exhausting, penetrating the lava-crater of a tiny Ixtaccihuatl
and never knowing when you'll provoke an earthquake.
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We began the descent into the abyss that lay below us. The tiny tracks were often no more than three feet wide, and nothing lay between us and a sheer drop of two thousand feet down the precipices into the raging torrents of the Chorokh. I got off my mule and led it carefully. But what was to become of the caravan with the maize and warm clothing? Each mule had a great pack on each side of him, and as he came up to a projecting ledge of rock, his pack on one side might barge up against it, upset him, and send him hurtling to destruc-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|228}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In the village of Melo before the war there were 2,000 inhabitants; now there were only 700. For every man, there were at least eight women. We found that they were mostly Osmanli Turks, probably descendants of settlers from Asia. There were also some who called themselves Gurji. They spoke Georgian as well as Turkish, but in other respects they dressed and lived just like Turks. They were Lazis in fact, in an advanced state of Turkification.

Next day we began to distribute the clothing to the children. We found an immense number of orphans. The old Mullah of the village had no less than fourteen under his care alone. We suggested that we should take these orphans back with us to Batum, and put them in an orphanage; but the men and women would not hear of this. Just as a wild animal clings to its native haunts even after its lair is burnt out, so these Turk and Lazi natives preferred to live crowded and in want, rather than be relieved of these orphan children. On no account would they let then go to the towns, for they feared the corrupting influences of so-called civilization, which is all the more pernicious in war-time. Moreover, the Koran tells them that if they bring up an orphan in their family, they will be rewarded in paradise. Thus their anxiety to do the bidding of their prophet is strik-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|230}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Goutor, 100&lt;br /&gt;
Great Britain, 3, 14, 32, 149, 156, 157, 161, 162, 173, 174, 184, 203–205, 206, 208, 209, 223–224, 235–253 (see also British Labor Party)&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Green Annies,&quot; 59&lt;br /&gt; 
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Guest, Haden, 63

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Hearst Newspapers, 9&lt;br /&gt;
Henderson, Arthur, 21, 170, 186&lt;br /&gt;
''Herald, London Daily,'' 4, 166, 168&lt;br /&gt;
Holland, 186&lt;br /&gt;
Home, War against the, 135, 140&lt;br /&gt;
Home, Sir Robert, 204&lt;br /&gt;
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Hours of Labor, see Overtime&lt;br /&gt;
Hughes, Secretary, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 132, 203, 215–221&lt;br /&gt;
Hungary, 143, 149, 195&lt;br /&gt;
Hungarians, 60&lt;br /&gt;
Huysmans, 186, 190, 191 

Independent Labor Party (British), 161, 162&lt;br /&gt;
India, 184, 223&lt;br /&gt;
Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.), 175–182, 185&lt;br /&gt;
Inefficiency; 130, 131, 248&lt;br /&gt;
Intellectuals, 51, 128, 172, 189, 199, 214&lt;br /&gt;
International Federation of Trade Unions, 170, 171, 173, 184, 185, 190, 194–197&lt;br /&gt; 
Intervention, 66&lt;br /&gt;
Italy, 4, 149, 150, 154, 206, 210&lt;br /&gt;
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Great Britain, 3, 14, 32, 149, 156, 157, 161, 162, 173, 174, 184, 203–205, 206, 208, 209, 223–224, 235–253 (see also British Labor Party)&lt;br /&gt;
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Guest, Haden, 63

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Home, Sir Robert, 204&lt;br /&gt;
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Hungary, 143, 149, 195&lt;br /&gt;
Hungarians, 60&lt;br /&gt;
Huysmans, 186, 190, 191 

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India, 184, 223&lt;br /&gt;
Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.), 175–182, 185&lt;br /&gt;
Inefficiency; 130, 131, 248&lt;br /&gt;
Intellectuals, 51, 128, 172, 189, 199, 214&lt;br /&gt;
International Federation of Trade Unions, 170, 171, 173, 184, 185, 190, 194–197&lt;br /&gt; 
Intervention, 66&lt;br /&gt;
Italy, 4, 149, 150, 154, 206, 210&lt;br /&gt;
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Justice, 235, 236&lt;br /&gt;
Jouhaux, 183, 191, 194

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Kaplan, 55&lt;br /&gt;
Kautsky, 169, 190,br /&gt;
Kefali, 92&lt;br /&gt;
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Kliefoth, 221&lt;br /&gt;
Krassin, 94, 167, 198, 203, 204, 205, 208, 210, 224&lt;br /&gt;
Krestinsky, 109&lt;br /&gt;
Kronstadt Rebellion, 208&lt;br /&gt;
Kropotkin, 126, 127

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Labor Conscription, see Compulsory Labor&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Labor Opposition,&quot; 97, 98&lt;br /&gt;
Labor Unions, see Trade Unions&lt;br /&gt;
Lansbury, 4&lt;br /&gt;
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Laws, Labor, 72–87&lt;br /&gt;
League of Nations, 142&lt;br /&gt;
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Lennon, 230&lt;br /&gt;
Letts, 60&lt;br /&gt;
Libby, F. J., 134, 135&lt;br /&gt;
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The day after we had finished the distribution, the Russian officer proposed to me to go on a short journey further into the interior to see something of this extraordinary country. It was impossible to ride, so we left our horses behind and walked on foot to the South, winding up and down the ridges by tiny paths. Towards midday we reached a lovely little village called Chelchim, tucked away under some frowning cliffs, and protected from every wind, a perfect sun-bath, facing the South. Here were hundreds of little terraces, which diligent workers had built up against the rocks, and many little irrigation canals for bringing water from the torrent that rushes down the valley. The houses were built of wood on trestles, with stones on the roofs to prevent the wind from blowing off the boards. The vineyards and orchards had a desolate appearance. They had not been irrigated for a whole year since the inhabitants fled away. They were all wild and unpruned, and the last year’s fruit lay rotting on the ground. The inhabitants had not long returned, and looked at us with half-scared faces. A fine old man then came out to see us. He was a Lazi patriarch, dressed in a short tunic, with Caucasian braids and cartridge-pouches, tight leg-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|231}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We stayed the night here, and next day went on to another village of Lazis called Kheviskiar. Here we made a remarkable discovery. We found some Greeks practising Christian rites in an underground room. There was no apparent reason for hiding the fact that they were Christians. It must have been known to the Moslem villagers, and probably to the Turkish authorities, when they were in charge of the country. And yet in the cellar under a wooden house, where these Greeks&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|232}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;upon the scene and revealed the real meaning of the legend regarding the Argonaute.

This legend by no means symbolises the striving of humanity to good, to beauty, to the unattainable, to the sun. Its essence is simply the following. Many of the ancient nations had a particular method of obtaining gold which has been preserved to the present day by some of the African tribes. The following was the method of obtaining gold on the banks of the gold-bearing rivers. The gold sand was washed by passing it through sheep’s wool, the gold particles remained on the wool, and the latter was thus transformed into a seemingly whole compact golden fleece.

The legend of the Argonautz represents in poetical form the brutal materialist fact of the hunt of man for the yellow metal in his most ancient stages of development. Around this simple fact—the fact of the hunt of man for gold—the poets have produced a splendid legend and a series of remarkable poetical works.

When we come across fine high-sounding phrases regarding the interests of civilisation, progress, goodness, truth and beauty in connection with many facts of ancient or contemporary history, such, for instance, as the present war which the patriots of every country have represented as a holy war of liberation and so forth, or regarding some grandiose railway project from Bagdad to Berlin or from Cairo to Cape Town, and so on, we must treat these fine words in the same way as the historians like Strabo treated the legend of the Argonaute, the meaning of which does not consist in the symbolisation of the striving of man after&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|6}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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1. On January 19, 2018, the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary) transmitted to me a report on his investigation into the effect of imports of aluminum on the national security of the United States under section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, as amended (19 U.S.C. 1862) (section 232). The Secretary found and advised me of the Secretary’s opinion that aluminum is being imported into the United States in such quantities and under such circumstances as to threaten to impair the national security of the United States.

2. In [[Proclamation 9704]] of March 8, 2018 (Adjusting Imports of Aluminum Into the United States), I concurred in the Secretary’s finding that aluminum was being imported into the United States in such quantities and under such circumstances as to threaten to impair the national security of the United States, and decided to adjust the imports of aluminum articles by imposing a 10 percent ad valorem tariff on such articles imported from most countries. Proclamation 9704 further stated that any country with which the United States has a security relationship is welcome to discuss alternative ways to address the threatened impairment of the national security caused by imports from that country, and noted that, should the United States and any such country arrive at a satisfactory alternative means to address the threat to the national security such that I determine that imports from that country no longer threaten to impair the national security, I may remove or modify the restriction on aluminum articles imports from that country and, if necessary, adjust the tariff as it applies to other countries, as the national security interests of the United States require.

3. In Proclamation 9704, I also directed the Secretary to monitor imports of aluminum articles and inform me of any circumstances that in the Secretary’s opinion might indicate the need for further action under section 232 with respect to such imports. Pursuant to Proclamation 9704, the Secretary was authorized to provide relief from the additional duties, based on a request from a directly affected party located in the United States, for any aluminum article determined not to be produced in the United States in a sufficient and reasonably available amount or of a satisfactory quality, or based upon specific national security considerations. [[Proclamation 9776]] of August 29, 2018, and [[Proclamation 9980]] of January 24, 2020, similarly authorized the Secretary to provide relief from certain tariffs on other aluminum products and derivatives set forth in those proclamations.

4. In subsequent proclamations, the President adjusted the tariffs applicable to aluminum articles imports from Argentina, Australia, Canada, Mexico, the European Union (EU), and the United Kingdom (UK), after engaging in discussions with each of those parties on alternative ways to address the threat to the national security from such imports.

5. The Secretary has informed me that, notwithstanding the 10 percent ad valorem tariff imposed by Proclamation 9704 that mitigated the threatened impairment of our national security, aluminum imports into the United States have continued at unacceptable levels as the global aluminum excess capacity crisis continues. In addition, the exclusion of certain countries&lt;noinclude&gt;{{EOfooter}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;the infinite, but in the representation in a poetic form of a brutal actual fact—the hunt for the yellow metal.

The analysis which we applied to the legend of the Argonaute was made by the Marxists at the very beginning of the World War. When the war broke out, in every country two camps were formed. The minority, in some countries consisting only of a few people, affirmed that this war was not a war of liberation but an ordinary war of conquest, a war for new territories, for markets, for gold mines, and so on. And the other side in every country tried to prove that this was a great war of liberation, a war for the annihilation of imperialism, for the destruction of militarism, and so on. Even in the socialist parties of all countries the overwhelming majority, in the course of the first few years of the war, upheld the point of view that the war carried on by their country was, forsooth, a holy war, and the war carried on by the opposing side was a criminal, murderous war. Nevertheless, now it is evident that the governments of all the countries waged this war for conquest, that it was an &quot;imperialist&quot; war.

What is the meaning of the term &quot;imperialist war&quot;?

The word imperialism is often repeated by many. You meet this word thousands of times in speeches, in the papers, in scientific books. But, as often happens with many terms which are repeated every moment in conversation and books, the term &quot;imperialism&quot; is little understood by many writers and lecturers using this word every minute.

What does the conception of &quot;imperialism&quot; signify?&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|7}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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6. In particular, the Secretary has informed me that global primary aluminum capacity has continued to increase, fueled by expansions in the People’s Republic of China (China) and South America, which is seen in rising aluminum imports that continue to weigh on the price domestic aluminum producers may charge. There has also been a significant increase in Chinese investment in Mexico, driven by massive Chinese government subsidies and the continued ability to exploit loopholes in U.S. trade policy.

7. Domestic aluminum producers have been forced to idle additional production and shut down facilities. Two primary aluminum smelters within the United States have closed since Proclamation 9704 was promulgated. In addition, U.S. primary aluminum production decreased by 30 percent from 2020 to 2024, and U.S. smelter capacity utilization was only 52 percent in 2024. Overcapacity for primary aluminum has harmed downstream aluminum producers, including producers of aluminum extrusions and aluminum sheet. To allow U.S. aluminum producers to restart production and to incentivize new capacity, additional adjustments to section 232 tariffs on aluminum need to be made, including limiting exemptions and increasing the tariff rate.

8. The Secretary has informed me that imports of aluminum articles from countries that are excluded from the tariff regime or have alternative arrangements have remained significantly elevated at levels that once again threaten to impair the national security of the United States. The volume of U.S. imports of aluminum articles from Argentina, Australia, Canada, Mexico, EU countries, and the UK in 2024 was approximately 14 percent higher than the average volume of such imports in 2015 through 2017. In particular, the volume of U.S. imports of primary aluminum from Canada in 2024 was approximately 18 percent higher than the average volume for 2015 through 2017. Notwithstanding [[Proclamation 10782]] of July 10, 2024, which imposed higher tariffs on certain aluminum imports from Mexico, imports of aluminum from Mexico have continued to surge beyond historical volumes. The volume of U.S. imports of aluminum articles from Mexico in 2024 was approximately 35 percent higher than the average volume for 2015 through 2017. Proclamation 10782 did not resolve the surge of imports of aluminum from Mexico. Mexican producers are using unfair trade to gain market share in the United States and are leveraging their access to unfairly traded global primary aluminum to do so. I understand that Mexican producers are commingling primary aluminum from China and the Russian Federation (Russia) with primary aluminum from other countries to produce downstream aluminum articles. These practices are distortive and provide continued outlets to absorb the massive amount of global excess capacity and must be remedied. The volume of U.S. imports of primary aluminum from Australia has also surged and in 2024 was approximately 103 percent higher than the average volume for 2015 through 2017. Australia has disregarded its verbal commitment to voluntarily restrain its aluminum exports to a reasonable level.

9. These volume increases occurred even though demand for aluminum in the United States and Canada (the market measured by industry) has generally remained flat, averaging about 20 percent since 2018.

10. These increasing import volumes support the conclusion that aluminum producers in countries subject to the additional ad valorem tariff proclaimed in Proclamation 9704 are engaging in transshipment or further processing&lt;noinclude&gt;{{EOfooter}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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He called for brandy — &quot;the only remedy for the liver and preachments&quot; — and drank with Moore until a warm glow pervaded him, and Destiny was less the blind, pursuing goddess than the fairy godmother who had provided beauty, birth, genius, good luck, all the coloured stars at his birth, and would do so to the end. He had not taken to laudanum with his brandy, as Caroline Lamb was to do later, and he was certain that he could dispense with it whenever he pleased, but meanwhile it was comforting in emergencies.

So the great day approached. Anne had not ventured up to London. She was better out of Caroline's sphere, and if Caroline was moodily silent, so best, he reflected.

Anne's own heart sang like a lark in the blue abysses of sunshine. She had never imagined that such happiness was possible. His letters — for it was judged best he should await the end of the lawyers' work before coming to Seaham Hall (where they were at present, Halnaby being reserved for the honeymoon) — were the letters of a sensitive, intellectual girl's realized hopes. Who could write, could feel like this prince of men — her own, immortally her own! When his great name was handed down in the annals of England, as it must surely be, the sun of poets, the glorious Apollo, hers would be linked with it, a little, shining satellite travelling on that vast orbit. What had she ever done to deserve this crown of honour? Nothing but love him. But that — if she could believe his letters — was all in all to him. Love is enough.

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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;A series of theories have arisen regarding this term &quot;imperialism.&quot;

I divide all the existing theories regarding imperialism into three groups: the philosophical group on the essence of imperialism, the historical and Marxian groups.

The French writer, [[Author:Romain Rolland|Romain Rolland]], the author of the famous work ''[[Jean Christophe]],'' in one of his novels, ''[[Le Buisson Ardent]],'' uses the word imperialism as a synonym for the ideas of murder, theft, violence. He thus says: &quot;Everywhere imperialism reigns supreme: theocratic imperialism of the Catholic Church, which aims at subjecting everything to its influence; military imperialism of the trading and mystic monarchies; official imperialism of the Free-mason and avaricious republics; the dictatorial imperialism of the revolutionary workers' organisations. Poor liberty—you are not of this world! In reality, at the present time we have to choose not between imperialism and freedom but between imperialism and imperialism.&quot; Consequently, from the point of view of Romain Rolland, imperialism is a phenomenon which penetrates all forms of life and all social currents, including socialism.

I quote this opinion of Romain Rolland, not because he is in any way a great sociologist, but because as a novelist, as a conspicuously talented man, he formulates aptly in these few words the view of a whole school on the essence of imperialism. What then is this school? It is the &quot;philosophical&quot; school of [[Author:Ernest Seillière|Seyère]]. Romain Rolland affirms that imperialism even makes its appearance in the activities of the&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|8}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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11. The Secretary has informed me that producers in countries that remain subject to the ad valorem tariff have continued to evade the tariff by processing covered aluminum articles into additional downstream derivative products that were not included in the additional ad valorem tariffs proclaimed in Proclamation 9704 and Proclamation 9980. Foreign producers are continuing to expand downstream production to absorb the global excess capacity. Imports of additional derivative aluminum products have increased significantly since the issuance of Proclamation 9704 and Proclamation 9980, eroding the domestic industry’s customer base and resulting in depressed demand for aluminum articles produced in the United States.

12. The Secretary has also informed me of the impact of the product exclusion process authorized by Proclamation 9704, Proclamation 9776, and Proclamation 9980 and implemented by subsequent regulations. This process has resulted in exclusions for a significant volume of imports, in a manner that undermines the purpose of the section 232 measures and threatens to impair the national security of the United States. Certain general approved exclusions remain in effect for entire tariff lines of aluminum imports, notwithstanding the domestic industry’s potential to produce many excluded products.

13. I determine that these developments and modifications to the original tariff regime as proclaimed in Proclamation 9704 have undermined the regime’s national security objectives by preventing the domestic aluminum industry (including derivatives) from achieving sustained production capacity utilization of at least 80 percent, as determined in the Secretary’s January 19, 2018, report. I also determine that the modifications failed to achieve their articulated objectives. As a result, I determine that these modifications have resulted in significantly increasing imports of aluminum articles that once again threaten to impair the national security of the United States.

14. In light of the Secretary’s findings, I have determined that it is necessary and appropriate to adjust the tariff proclaimed by Proclamation 9704, as amended, and the tariff proclaimed by Proclamation 9980, as amended, to increase the tariff rate from 10 percent ad valorem to 25 percent ad valorem. These actions are necessary and appropriate to remove the threatened impairment of the national security of the United States.

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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;workers' socialist organisations. From his point of view, if the workers on strike compel blackleg workers not to go to the factories, and throw these blacklegs out by force from the factories where they wish to take the place of their comrades on strike, this act of the strikers is one of violence, hence it is imperialism. Romain Rolland discovers imperialism in the acts of self-defence of the working class. Others go even further in their arbitrary interpretation of the term imperialism. Thus [[Author:Mario Morasso|Mario Morasso]] has written a whole book about imperialism in art, and the well-known French writer, Ernest Seyère, has sent forth into the world a whole four-volumed work on the &quot;Philosophy of Imperialism,&quot; in which the chief intellectual representatives and inspirers of imperialism are represented as being the famous French writer, [[Author:Arthur de Gobineau|Gobineau]], then the German author, [[Author:Friedrich Nietzsche|Nietzsche]], then [[Author:Jean-Jacques Rousseau|Jean-Jacques Rousseau]], [[Author:Pierre-Joseph Proudhon|Proudhon]], and finally, [[Author:Karl Marx|Karl Marx]].

The first volume of the &quot;Philosophy of Imperialism&quot; is entitled ''Comte Gobineau et Arianisme Historique'' (Count Gobineau and Historical Aryanism). Gobineau's theory sanctifies racial imperialism. Gobineau, a famous French writer, had in his time great influence not only in France but also in Germany. Gobineau affirmed that the Aryan race, as a higher race, is destined to dominate all other races. The Chinese, Japanese, Negroes, Indians and so on must submit to the white race, for this white race, because of its inherent racial peculiarities and abilities, had the right to command over the whole earth and to subject to itself the yellow and black continents.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;This racial theory prevailed during a long period of time. When the Russo-Japanese War broke out many scientists in Western Europe expressed their firm belief that Russia would crush Japan into smithereens. They said that Japan could adopt perfected weapons, and so on, but they would be incapable of fighting against the Russian race, because the Russian race is white, whereas the Japanese is a yellow race, they are &quot;macaques,&quot; capable of imitating like monkeys. The battles of Markdam, Liau Tung and Tsu-shima dealt a terrific blow to this racial theory. The Europeans saw that the Japanese were not inferior, at any rate in military art, to a European race, and when, following this, after this brilliant victory of the Japanese, Europeans started to become acquainted with Japanese literature, poetry, art, they were convinced that the Japanese did not merely &quot;ape&quot;Arthur de Gobineau—that they had their own scientists and writers of genius. One of the best-known contemporary specialists in the sphere of the fight against venereal disease, one who discovered a remedy against syphilis, was the friend of Ehrlich, a Japanese scientist. The Japanese have done a great deal in the study of geology, and in the struggle against earthquakes. It had to be recognised that this was an original nation which is in no way inferior to any other race. The racial theory suffered a terrific defeat on the fields of Manchuria.

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{{verse||verse=5}} That is the commandment of Allah which He revealeth unto you. And whoso keepeth his duty to Allah, He will remit from him his evil deeds and magnify reward for him.
{{verse||verse=6}} Lodge them where ye dwell, according to your wealth, and harass them not so as to straiten life for them. And if they are with child, then spend for them till they bring forth their burden. Then, if they give suck for you, give them their due payment and consult together in kindness; but if ye make difficulties for one another, then let some other woman give suck for him (the father of the child).
{{verse||verse=7}} Let him who hath abundance spend of his abundance, and he whose provision is measured, let him spend of that which Allah hath given him. Allah asketh naught of any soul save that which He hath given it. Allah will vouchsafe, after hardship, ease.
{{verse||verse=8}} And how many a community revolted against the ordinance of its Lord and His messengers, and we called it to a stern account and punished it with dire punishment,
{{verse||verse=9}} So that it tasted the ill-effects of its conduct, and the consequence of its conduct was loss.
{{verse||verse=10}} Allah hath prepared for them stern punishment; so keep your duty to Allah, O men of understanding! O ye who believe! Now Allah hath sent down unto you a reminder,&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{smaller block|&lt;blockquote&gt;foreign nation or Indian tribe, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth such number of the militia of the state or states, most convenient to the place of danger, or scene of action, as he may judge necessary to repel such invasion, and to issue his orders for that purpose, to such officer or officers of the militia as he shall think proper. And in the case of insurrection in any state, against the government thereof, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, on the application of the legislature of such state, or the Executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) to call forth such number of the militia of any other state or states, as may be applied for, as he may judge sufficient to suppress such insurrection.&lt;/blockquote&gt;}}

This clause occasioned little debate and appears to have been passed much as the committee reported it. It made no provision for an insurrection against the national government, only against the government of a state; and the use of the word &quot;insurrection&quot; was not in consonance with the constitutional guarantee in Article IV, Section 4, to protect a state against &quot;domestic violence,&quot; which might be presumed to mean something less than &quot;insurrection.&quot; A second notable feature was that the section did not explicitly authorize the president to call into federal service the militia of the state where the insurrection should occur, only that of &quot;any other state or states.&quot; Evidently, the presumption was that the militia of the state applying for aid would already be employed in suppressing the insurrection insofar as some of them weren't in rebellion themselves (the lesson of Shays' Rebellion was that militia in dissent areas could not be counted on). Yet if the clause were followed literally it would mean that there could be no unified federal control of all militia elements involved in suppressing an insurrection in a state. These matters seem to have passed unnoticed at the time, and subsequent revisions of the law were to leave this particular clause practically unaltered to the present day.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref46&quot;/&gt;

The second section covered the more sensitive point of calling forth the militia to &quot;execute the laws of the Union,&quot; a situation in which no state request would be involved. Some members of the House at least equated organized resistance to federal laws with &quot;insurrection&quot; against the national government and so provided in the second section what they had omitted in the first. In its final form the second read,

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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref46&quot;&gt;Title 10, Section 331, of the ''Revised U.S. Code'' has practically the same phraseology except in that it permits the president also to use the &quot;armed forces.&quot; The President's Commission on Civil Disorders noted the difficulties in the wording of this section in 1968 and recommended that the word&quot; insurrection&quot; be changed to &quot;domestic violence,&quot; and that the president be expressly authorized to call the militia of the state in which violence occurred as well as that of other states. —''Report of The National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders'' (Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1968), p. 288. The explanation for the word &quot;insurrection&quot; appears to be that Congress was enacting a law primarily designed to provide for calling forth the militia under Article I, Section 8, to repel invasions and suppress insurrections while at the same time incorporating the provisions of Article IV, Section 4. The term &quot;domestic violence&quot; in the later article was simply equated to &quot;insurrection.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;
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''At-Ṭalâq'', &quot;Divorce,&quot; is so called from  vv. 1—7, which contain an amendment to the laws of divorce which are set forth in [[The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (1930)/The Cow|Sûrah II]].  This is generally referred traditionally to a mistake made by Ibn 'Umar in divorcing his wife, which is said to have happened in the 6th year of the Hijrah. But others relate that the Prophet on that occasion only quoted this verse which had already been revealed.

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{{verse||verse=2}} Then, when they have reached their term, take them back in kindness or part from them in kindness, and call to witness two just men among you, and keep your testimony upright for Allah. Whoso believeth in Allah and the Last Day is exhorted to act thus. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, Allah will appoint a way out for him,
{{verse||verse=3}} And will provide for him from (a quarter) whence he hath no expectation. And whosoever putteth his trust in Allah, He will suffice him. Lo! Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah hath set a measure for all things.&lt;/poem&gt;
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''At-Ṭalâq'', &quot;Divorce,&quot; is so called from  vv. 1—7, which contain an amendment to the laws of divorce which are set forth in [[The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (1930)/The Cow|Sûrah II]].  This is generally referred traditionally to a mistake made by Ibn 'Umar in divorcing his wife, which is said to have happened in the 6th year of the Hijrah. But others relate that the Prophet on that occasion only quoted this verse which had already been revealed.

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{{verse||verse=2}} Then, when they have reached their term, take them back in kindness or part from them in kindness, and call to witness two just men among you, and keep your testimony upright for Allah. Whoso believeth in Allah and the Last Day is exhorted to act thus. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, Allah will appoint a way out for him,
{{verse||verse=3}} And will provide for him from (a quarter) whence he hath no expectation. And whosoever putteth his trust in Allah, He will suffice him. Lo! Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah hath set a measure for all things.&lt;/poem&gt;
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''At-Ṭalâq'', &quot;Divorce,&quot; is so called from  vv. 1&amp;ndash;7, which contain an amendment to the laws of divorce which are set forth in [[The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (1930)/The Cow|Sûrah II]].  This is generally referred traditionally to a mistake made by Ibn 'Umar in divorcing his wife, which is said to have happened in the 6th year of the Hijrah. But others relate that the Prophet on that occasion only quoted this verse which had already been revealed.

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16. In light of the information provided by the Secretary that the significant increase of imports of certain derivative aluminum articles has depressed demand for aluminum articles produced by domestic aluminum producers, I have determined that it is necessary to adjust the tariff proclaimed in Proclamation 9704 and Proclamation 9980 to apply to additional derivative aluminum articles.

17. I have also determined that it is necessary to terminate the product exclusion process as authorized in clause 3 of Proclamation 9704, clause 1 of Proclamation 9776, and clause 2 of Proclamation 9980.

18. Section 232, as amended, authorizes the President to take action to adjust the imports of an article and its derivatives that are being imported into the United States in such quantities or under such circumstances as to threaten to impair the national security of the United States.

19. Section 604 of the Trade Act of 1974, as amended, authorizes the President to embody in the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (HTSUS) the substance of statutes affecting import treatment, and actions thereunder, including the removal, modification, continuance, or imposition of any rate of duty or other import restriction.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 301 of title 3, United States Code, section 604 of the Trade Act of 1974, as amended, and section 232, do hereby proclaim as follows:

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pray , pregi , peti .
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precipice , krutegaĵo ; profun
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precise , preciza , ĝusta .
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prefix , prefiks 'i, 0 .
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prescription , recepto .
present , (be ), apudesti , ĉeest
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price , prezo , kosto .
prick , piki.
primrose , primolo .
principle , principo .
print , presi ; gravuraſo .
:
prison , malliberejo .
private , privata , konfidencia .
privilege , privilegio .
prize , preipio ; sati .
probable , kredebla .
problem , problemo .
proboscis , rostro .
process , proceso .
procession , procesio .
proclaim

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profession , profesio .
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precious , altvalora , karega .

precipice , krutegaĵo ; profun
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precise , preciza , ĝusta .

prefer , preferi.

prefix , prefiks 'i, 0 .

pregnant , graveda .

prejudice , antaŭjuĝo .

premium , premio .

prepare , prepari , pretigi .

prescription , recepto .

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print , presi ; gravuraſo .
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private , privata , konfidencia .
privilege , privilegio .
prize , preipio ; sati .
probable , kredebla .
problem , problemo .
proboscis , rostro .
process , proceso .
procession , procesio .
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principle , principo .
print , presi ; gravuraſo .
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private , privata , konfidencia .
privilege , privilegio .
prize , preipio ; sati .
probable , kredebla .
problem , problemo .
proboscis , rostro .
process , proceso .
procession , procesio .
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The &quot;powers vested in the marshals&quot; were set forth in Section 9.

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In this way the legislators disposed of the argument that the federal government would rely entirely on military force to enforce its laws.

The second section was adopted only after prolonged debate, and some of its phraseology resulted from floor amendments. After some preliminary fencing, Representative John Page of Virginia moved to strike the clause entirely. &quot;It holds out an idea of resistance which I will not suppose can exist. Mild and equitable laws will not be resisted; and if Congress should be so infatuated as to enact those of a contrary nature, I hope they will be repealed and not enforced by martial law.... It is not necessary to make laws merely because the Constitution authorizes a dangerous power.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref47&quot;/&gt; Representative Abraham Clark of New Jersey supported him, noting that it could be used in case of opposition to the excise law &quot;so that if an old woman was to strike an excise officer with a broomstick, forsooth the military is to be called out to suppress an insurrection.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref48&quot;/&gt;

Representative John F. Mercer of Virginia took a more moderate view, citing the need for the power to exist, since he had &quot;no idea that this government was to depend on the several state governments for carrying its laws into execution.&quot; He cautioned that it must be used sparingly, adverting to

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Page returned to the fray, raising the familiar bugaboo of the use of a standing army. &quot;Suppose the case should happen in which the Militia should refuse to act, regulars must then be called in—a fair pretext for a military establishment.... Soldiers, not Militia, must be the proper tools for the Government that wishes to enforce its laws by arms.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref50&quot;/&gt; Both William B. Giles of Virginia and Abraham Baldwin of Georgia suggested that the power should not be delegated but retained in Congress which body could, when the necessity arose, then make proper provision for its exercise. &quot;The power now under consideration,&quot; Giles thought, &quot;could not with safety be entrusted to the President of the United States.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref51&quot;/&gt; Although


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref47&quot;&gt;''Annals of Congress'', 3:574.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref48&quot;&gt;Ibid., p. 575.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref49&quot;&gt;Ibid. Mercer ended by proposing an additional clause to the act. One legal scholar holds that this was Section 9 dealing with the power of marshals.—David E. Engdahl, &quot;Soldiers, Riots, and Revolution: The Law and History of Military Troops in Civil Disorders,&quot; ''Iowa Law Review'', vol. 57, no. I (October 1971):47. Engdahl maintains that this section gave federal marshals the power to call militia into the federal service as a part of a ''posse comitatus'' to enforce federal law. While undoubtedly it gave them the power to call individual militiamen as part of their posses, there is no evidence that marshals ever claimed, under the law, to possess the power to call militia as organized bodies. For further discussion of this subject, see below, Chapter 7.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref50&quot;&gt;''Annals of Congress'', 3:575-76.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref51&quot;&gt;Ibid., p. 576.&lt;/ref&gt;
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&quot; Mr. Stokes, 

&quot;Dear Sir,—I cannot well enumerate all the benefits which I have derived from your System, not only in improving the Memory, but as an incentive to study; and as a means of developing all the powers of the mind. Suffice it to say, that a memory formerly remarkable for nothing but its want of retention, has become a wonder to those unacquainted with your ''modus operandi''. I have done, and shall do all in my power to promote your System. I have much pleasure in sending you my father's testimony to the efficiency of your method.

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&quot;Mr. Stokes,

&quot;Sir,—I regard it equally as a courtesy and a duty to express my admiration of your Mnemonic System. I have taught mnemonically for a long series of years; but the success that has attended my son's exhibition of your System, both in public and among the pupils of my establishment, convinces me of its superiority to anything I have either studied or seen exemplified. Several of my pupils, by no means notable for good memories, have by your method learned hundreds of dates within a few days, in so correct and intelligent a manner that to me it seems actually marvellous. It is a very important feature of your System that it is of value, not only for dates and other figures, but for the retention of facts and thoughts. For your credit, therefore, and for the public good, I cannot withhold my humble testimony to the ease and effectiveness with which your Artificial Memory is imparted and impressed.

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&quot; Mr. Stokes, 

&quot;Dear Sir,—I cannot well enumerate all the benefits which I have derived from your System, not only in improving the Memory, but as an incentive to study; and as a means of developing all the powers of the mind. Suffice it to say, that a memory formerly remarkable for nothing but its want of retention, has become a wonder to those unacquainted with your ''modus operandi''. I have done, and shall do all in my power to promote your System. I have much pleasure in sending you my father's testimony to the efficiency of your method.

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{{right|&quot;Athol House, Douglas, Isle of Man,&lt;br&gt;&quot;June 3rd, 1868.}}

&quot;Mr. Stokes,

&quot;Sir,—I regard it equally as a courtesy and a duty to express my admiration of your Mnemonic System. I have taught mnemonically for a long series of years; but the success that has attended my son's exhibition of your System, both in public and among the pupils of my establishment, convinces me of its superiority to anything I have either studied or seen exemplified. Several of my pupils, by no means notable for good memories, have by your method learned hundreds of dates within a few days, in so correct and intelligent a manner that to me it seems actually marvellous. It is a very important feature of your System that it is of value, not only for dates and other figures, but for the retention of facts and thoughts. For your credit, therefore, and for the public good, I cannot withhold my humble testimony to the ease and effectiveness with which your Artificial Memory is imparted and impressed.

{{right|&quot;I am, Sir, yours respectfully,&lt;br&gt;&quot;ISAIAH MCBURNEY, LL.D. F.S.A. Scot.&quot;}}
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&quot;I am happy to bear my testimony to the pleasing and successful method adopted by Mr. Stokes for the purpose of aiding and strengthening the power of Memory. I heartily advise all who have the opportunity to place themselves under his instruction.

&quot;In this commendation I know all who were associated with me concur.

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&quot;Miss Webb has much pleasure in stating that Mr.Stokes has given a Course of Memory Lessons at her house to a class of fourteen, and that she and her pupils and friends, comprising the class, have been much interested with the valuable information imparted, which becomes increasingly useful in proportion as it is applied.&quot;
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{{di|A}}S an adequate reply to the query, why the Bolshevist-Soviet rule has failed, I quote here from an article I wrote last September in a Russian weekly appearing in New York. This article was called &quot;Lenine Is Dead&quot; (Narodnaya Gazeta, Sept. 12, '18), and was written soon after the attempted assassination of Lenine:

&quot;Lenine is dead—Lenine is still alive—such news is constantly appearing in the columns of the press these days. Doubtless a good deal of the information concerning Russia is being made of whole cloth by enterprising correspondents who are ready to wire across all sorts of sensational rumors, particularly when such information suits the tastes and anticipations of the class of readers to whom their organ is catering.

When I took as my title for this article the Stockholm dispatch which appeared in the New York World last Sunday, it was not because I attached any particular significance to that piece of news, which read as follows: &quot;Travelers who have reached Harapanda from Moscow insist, contrary to official Bolshevist information, that Premier Lenine is dead.&quot; It may be that this information is correct, and, again, it may be false. I am not thinking of physical death when I maintain that Lenine is dead.

The moral death of Lenine, however, is an incontrovertible fact. Only comparatively not so long ago many people, including myself, sincerely regarded Lenine as a fanatic, a bigot, who would not hesitate to sacrifice ''himself'' for his ideas. At present, however, the number of such simpletons is growing less and less.

Lenine's policies, from the day he and his crew succeeded in usurping power by means of alluring promises and in the name of the interests of the international proletariat, follow two courses. One is the waging of a war against the revolutionary people of Russia who are rising against the usurpers that have coated a&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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line pair, and have all the markings and coloration of an ordinary female. The masculine antenna is 14 mm. in length; the feminine is much shorter, being only 10.5 mm. in length. Externally the organs of generation are masculine, I have not dissected them to ascertain their internal structure.

Gynandromorphous butterflies are very rare. In all my experience I have met with only one other example in India, a specimen of ''Cyliogenes suradeva'', Moore, collected by the late Mr. Otto Möller, and now in Mr. J. H. Leech’s possession. The late Professor Westwood has figured two separate examples of ''Cirrhochroa aoris'', Doubleday and Hewitson; Mr. George T. Baker has figured and described the primary sexual characters of an ''Evonia (Nepheronia) hippia'', var. ''gæa'', Felder, and Herr Georg Semper an example of ''Papilio castor'', Westwood, these are the only other Indian gynandromorphous butterflies of which I am aware.


8. {{small-caps|Euthalia sakii}}, n. sp., Plate III, Fig. 3, ♀.

{{small-caps|Habitat}}: N.-E. Sumatra.

{{small-caps|Expanse}}: ♀, 3.1 inches.

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all moves to strike the clause were voted down, a consensus emerged that the delegation of powers to the president should be as restricted as possible. An amendment proposed by James Madison that the president should be authorized to act only in the recess of Congress was passed; this was followed by another offered by Abraham Baldwin that would require information of an &quot;insurrection&quot; from an associate justice or federal district judge as a basis for presidential action. Finally, John F. Mercer proposed an additional section requiring the president to issue a proclamation in advance, which the House duly approved.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref52&quot;/&gt; It was incorporated as Section 3 of the act.

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The powers delegated to the president to intervene with military force in domestic emergencies by the Calling Forth Act of 2 May 1792 were thus circumscribed in many ways. The power of the civil authorities must first be tried. The chief executive could not call the militia to enforce federal laws without a judicial certificate or to put down an insurrection within a state without application by the state government. In both cases, he had to issue a cease and desist proclamation first. Even with the judicial certificate, he could call forth the militia to enforce the laws on his own authority only when Congress was not in session, and he could not keep them in service for more than thirty days after the opening of a new session without legislative consent. There were various qualifications that seemed to limit the geographical area from which militia could be called. The act itself was to expire at the end of the first session of Congress after two years had elapsed.

The act also laid down rules to govern the militia when called into federal service and penalties to apply to those who did not obey the call. Service was limited to three months in any one year for any individual militiamen. While militiamen called could receive the same pay and allowances as regulars of corresponding rank and be subject to the Articles of War, their courts-martial were to be composed of militia officers only. The penalty for failure to respond was not to exceed one year's pay or imprisonment for one month for each $5.00 of an unpaid fine.

The safeguards conformed closely to the restrictions that George Mason, Luther Martin, and other Antifederalists had wanted written into the Constitution itself. The act of 2 May 1792 represented a consensus of political thought at the time as to how far the president could be trusted to use military force wisely in dealing with domestic disturbances. It rested firmly on the premise that only militia, not regulars, should be employed in this activity.

The companion piece of legislation, the Uniform Militia Act of 1792 that established a militia system to endure for 111 years, was a clear victory for those who stood for state rather than national control of the militia. Congress rejected the pleas of Washington and Knox for a select militia, trained under federal standards and organized into units that could respond quickly in emergency, in favor of a large conglomerate body of separate state militias with-


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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;reactionary cause with revolutionary phrases; the other is to oppose Russia's Allies who have come to assist her against the Junkers of Germany, who are still violating our Motherland, not at all in the interests of the International proletariat.

I will treat of both these courses of action later, but meanwhile I will permit myself a brief diversion in connection with one very significant fact. When in October, 1917, the Petrograd Bolshevist Soviet of Workmen's and Soldiers' Deputies conducted an open agitation in favor of the planned coup, it was an open secret that the engineers of this uprising calculated to simultaneously provoke a revolution in Germany and to cause thereby a termination of the world-wide slaughter. A conference for this purpose was arranged at Stockholm, between the Left Social-Democrats of Germany and the Bolsheviki, who were at that time parading as the Left Wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party and were winning adherents under that banner. At this conference the representatives of the German Social-Democratic Left put to the Bolsheviki in a concise and definite manner the following question:

'Do you count, in organizing the overturn, upon us, too, and do you expect to be able to provoke a revolution in Germany as well?'

'Yes,' was the modest reply of the Bolsheviki.

'In that case, don't go ahead with your revolt, because so long as Germany is in a state of war and has to defend herself against almost the entire world, we will not organize a revolution, and, consequently, Germany will not support you at present.'

This was the honest warning given by the Germans of the Left to our so-called Left. Nevertheless, disregarding this clear and faithful statement, our 'Lefts' engineered the overturn and usurped power almost on the eve of the opening of the Constituent Assembly by stealthy promises of a speedy peace to the soldiers and similar allurements to the other elements of the population, to capture their good will and sanction.

When the November 'revolution' took place, it was the 'Leipzig Volkszeitung,' the organ of the Independent Socialists of Germany, that condemned this overturn and even branded its participants as traitors to the cause of the international&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;proletariat. The &quot;Vowaerts,&quot; the organ of the Schneidemannists, on the other hand, praised it. That alone was sufficient to engender doubts as to the revolutionary sincerity of Lenine, who had sanctioned an act so detrimental to the true interests of the peoples of Russia, as well as to the interests of the world-wide proletariat. Lenine knew too well that a revolution on a universal scale was quite impossible at that time.

The consequences surpassed the worst anticipations. Those who had posed as the defenders of the people became the violators of their interests. Hatred became the cornerstone of Lenine's policies and the contemporary rulers of certain parts of Russia are governing only by the fanning and inciting of hate. Little wonder, therefore, that they cannot seriously concern themselves with constructive work and are perforce devoting themselves to destruction, having made of it a cause and an ideal.

In spite of the alluring promises which strongly impressed the imagination of the people before the November coup d'etat, soon after the small Bolshevist party had captured the power, this very people assumed a critical and expectant position awaiting the results of the forthcoming experiments. Fearing the results of this change of attitude, Lenine and his followers immediately launched a regime of terror surpassing anything of its kind practiced by the Government of the Tzars.

The revolutionary people were thereupon compelled to adopt the same measures in the struggle against the November aggressors that they had used against the servants of the Tzar, when Lenine and the Leninists were still revolutionists. A series of terrorist acts directed against members of the so-called Government followed, the most important of which was the attempt on Lenine by the revolutionist, Dora Kaplan. A number of uprisings in numerous and widely scattered localities proved beyond doubt that the cup of the people's patience was full and that the end of Leninism was in sight. When we consider, in addition, that Lenine and his servitors, particularly his chairman of the Moscow 'Extraordinary Commission to Combat the Counter-Revolution,' Peters, are wreaking vengeance on persons absolutely unconnected with any terrorist attempts, and are detaining and shooting hundreds of people as hostages, it becomes clear&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''E. sakii'' is perhaps nearest to ''E. merta'', Moore, described from China, a female of which I possess from Quang in the Malay Peninsula, but it differs in the discal series of five spots in the forewing having their outer ends more or less excavated, while in ''E. merta'' the exact reverse obtains, each spot being produced outwardly into a sharp point. In ''E. sakii'' the sagittate markings beyond the discal series of spots also in the forewing have their apices directed towards the base of the wing, in ''E. merta'' towards the outer margin. On the hindwing in ''E. sakii'' the submarginal dentated dark line is continuous, in ''E. merta'' it is replaced by a series of well-separated small round spots, and there are other minor differences between the two species.

Described from a single example in Dr. L. Martin’s collection. I have uamed it after Saki, a highly intelligent Javan collector in Dr. Martin's service.

9, {{small-caps|Euthalia}} (''Dophla'') {{small-caps|iva}}, Moore.

''Adolias ira'', Moore, Horsfield and Moore, Cat. Lep. Mus. E. I. C., vol. i, p. 195, n. 395 (1857); idem, id., Trans. Ent. Soc. Lond., new (second) series, vol. v, p. 78, n. 36, pl. viii, fig. 2, ''male'' (1859); id., Batler, Proc. Zool. Soc. Lond., 1868, p. 602, n. 14; ''Euthalia iva'', de Nicéville, Butt. of India, vol. ii, p. 197, n. 491 (1886).

{{small-caps|Habitat}}: Darjeeling (''Moore''); Manipur.

{{small-caps|Expanse}}: ♀, 4.5 inches.

{{small-caps|Description: Female}}. Differs from the male only in being somewhat larger, the forewing rather more elongated.

T have recently been so fortunate as to acquire by purchase a pair of specimens of this fine species. It was described as far back as 1857 by Mr. Moore from Darjeeling. I am a little doubtful regarding this locality, as it is strange that within recent years this large species should not have been obtained in the Sikkim district, which is for butterflies perhaps the most completely explored of any in India. However, it may have occurred there in the middle of the century, and since become exterminated, as has its near ally, ''E. durga'', Moore, owing to the enormous destruction of the virgin forests that has taken place for the cultivation of tea. ''E. iva'' comes into the group of ''E. patala'', Kollar, ''E. durga'', Moore, and ''E. duda'', Staudinger, in which the sexes are very much alike, in that respect differing from ''E. nara'', Moore, and ''E. sahadeva'', Moore, in which the sexes differ greatly, the females of these two&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[with]out any really uniform discipline or organization. Every free white ablebodied male between eighteen and forty-five was liable for militia service except for those exempted by the act (mainly federal employees) and others the states themselves might exempt. Each man was to be responsible for arming himself in the old colonial tradition. Organization into divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions, and companies was prescribed but only &quot;if the same be convenient.&quot; In effect, control of the militia rested in the hands of the states until such time as they might be called into federal service to fulfill the purposes of the Calling Forth Act. The efficiency of the militia that was presumed to be the principal military instrument of the federal government in either domestic or foreign emergencies was thus to be determined by the variant laws and practices of the individual states. On the one hand, the Congress prescribed that the militia was the only force that could be used in domestic emergencies, and on the other, it shaped a militia system that could hardly guarantee that any president could, in such emergencies, fully rely on it.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref54&quot;/&gt;


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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;to us why the moment of the final crumbling of their moral authority has come and why it can now only be maintained by a system of the most cruel terror.

There are other signs, too. It is well known that the German Junkers are forcibly occupying more and more of Russian territory, and Lenine is doing nothing to halt this German invasion. Once in a while Tchitcherin writes a note to Berlin, which is not even accorded the courtesy of an answer. But no sooner did the Entente, the friends and Allies of the Russian people, who have never recognized the Brest-Litovsk shame, come to our assistance, than Lenine and his collaborators, with signal effrontery, moved against them, i. e., against the Russian people, their hired Bolshevist troops for physical opposition to the &quot;intervention&quot; of our Allies, who have definitely and unequivocally stated that their aims were far removed from any annexationist designs or the encroachment upon Russia's sovereign rights as a State.

Lenine and his followers have even descended to the infamy of attacking the representatives of foreign powers within Russia, violating their ex-territorial rights under the pretense of the shameful and worn-out excuse of searching for &quot;counter-revolutionists,&quot;—an act which was denounced by our Allies as barbarous, practiced only in semi-civilized States in the distant past. The result is that if there were any persons abroad, in Europe and America, who have heretofore given occasional thought to the proposition of recognizing the Lenine regime as the Government of Russia, such thought has now been everywhere abandoned forever.

Thus the moral significance of Lenine has vanished and he is morally dead. To-day, Lenine and his closest fellow-champions are so badly compromised, that when they are ultimately dethroned by the revolutionary people of Russia, they will have neither place nor refuge for themselves, and will wander over the ways and byways of the world with the brand of Cain on them. Berlin will not receive them, for Berlin only has use for them while they are within Russia.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Lenine is dead. He may be a 'living corpse' for a time, but still a corpse. In his death-agony he may yet cause enough misery to our precious Motherland and bring disrepute upon the ideals of Socialism and the Revolution,—perhaps, even at a more intensified tempo than heretofore. These, however, will be the last sacrifices to Leninism that our land will be called upon to make. It will soon be swept away, and only a hideous memory will remain of these days when under the cloak of popular happiness the will of the people and their lives were brutally violated.&quot;

This was written by me ten months ago, and I readily subscribe to all of it to-day. It may appear somewhat premature to speak of the causes of the failure of the Bolshevist-Soviet rule when they are still holding out on almost all the internal fronts and are even scoring gains here and there, extending their influence to such parts of Russia as have not heretofore been under their rule, such as the Ukraine. But this apparent success signifies actually nothing. This ceaseless state of warfare in which the Bolsheviki have kept and are keeping Russia since the day they usurped power, under the mask of struggling for peace, is in itself conclusive proof that their hopes are crushed. They cannot pass over to a state of peace, as they have nothing to offer the people in peace times. The premises of their daily activities are based on one cardinal principle: the inciting of hate and malice; hate for the bourgeoise; malice to the intellectual workers and hatred for the &quot;counter-revolutionists,&quot; under which classification they place all the true and tried friends of the people. Such promises are not conducive to constructive work, but tend to demolish life. One cannot create anything upon malice and blind hatred.

In this lies the key to the miscarriages and failures of the Bolsheviki. If they are still supported by a small group of young enthusiasts who are ready to pay with their lives for their rule, and, principally, by a force of armed hirelings and starving men who have to join the Red Army in order to be able to seek bread in other parts of Russia, the circumstances attending the continuation of their rule point out even more strikingly the contradiction between their promise of peace to the entire world&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;and the sequel to their activities which has brought war, war without end all over Europe.

They are expending all their efforts to provoke in every other country the same social phenomena that landed them in the seat of power, and spare neither energy nor national resources to create circumstances suitable for Bolshevist revolutions in other lands. It is safe to assume that they will fail. The bloody experiment upon Russia, the total destruction and ruination of life, the devouring and extermination of all national stores, is a lesson dearly paid for by the Russian people and cannot pass unnoticed by their neighbors. We thus observe that in Germany, Austria, Hungary and other places where the Bolsheviki have succeeded in causing analoguous, so-called communist outbreaks, these attempts have suffered defeat, as if the peoples of the world already understand by sheer intuition, if not by mental calculation, that the Russian experiment in &quot;communism&quot; has led only to the extermination of life and the destruction of all culture created by centuries of labor and effort.

The Bolsheviki have failed to excite a world-wide revolution, the star to which they hitched their chariot, but, instead, have demonstrated the full glory of their social &quot;laboratory&quot; work. As for Russia, the land that is groaning for more than one and a half years under the heel of the Bolsheviki, a yoke which is implicitly being styled a &quot;dictatorship of the proletariat,&quot;—there, in Bolshevisia, life has temporarily just come to a standstill and the people are consuming to the last crumb and shred all that has been accumulated for ages, without producing anything worth while. Therein, of course, is the reason for the wreck of the plans of those Bolsheviki who in November, 1917, overthrew the Provisional Government in the sincere belief that they were accomplishing something useful for the people. (I do not doubt that there were such among them, though very few and far between.)

The recognition of the fact that their plans have gone woefully awry is, no doubt, penetrating the minds and souls of the Bolsheviki themselves. We are constantly learning of late, even through the official Bolshevist press, that Lenine, for instance,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;and some of their other leaders, are making departures towards reconciliation and concessions. They, who originally proclaimed the doctrine of the extermination and suppression of the bourgeoisie and the intellectuals, are now, after having destroyed the entire machinery of production and exchange, attempting to establish relations and trading connection with representatives of the foreign bourgeoisie, and in their first creative steps intend to receive the support of their arch-enemies. All this, mind you, after the intellectual forces and the bourgeoisie of entire Russia were pronounced enemies of the people by these very men, and as such were assaulted, crushed and exterminated.

True, at present the Bolsheviki are adopting a policy of conciliation even towards the Russian bourgeoisie and are beginning to make large concessions to them. Only upon one cardinal point the Bolsheviki are, as yet, as unyielding as before—on the summoning of a Constituent Assembly, the fighting issue between them and all those to whom the interests of the people are dear and who see the salvation and the happiness of Russia and its many peoples in the unhampered expression of the will of the people,—in a freely elected Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviki are fearful of the verdict of the people and are still determined to impose upon them their own will.

Again, it is well to recall that they signalled their entrance into power by a vociferous and solemn refusal to pay Russia's debts. Now, when they see their breakdown close ahead of them, they have loudly, just as loudly as when they bombastically repudiated the national obligations, changed their front and said: &quot;We will pay up all the old obligations, only recognize us as the Government of Russia!&quot; A more cynical reversal of mind can hardly be imagined and it can only be explained by their utter perplexity before the inevitable wreck.

What are then, in the final analysis, the fundamental causes of the collapse of the Soviet-Bolshevist experiment?

In making a brief reply to this question I will, of course, have in mind only such Bolsheviki, who have honestly believed that they were called upon to recreate life and to confer happiness upon the toiling masses and not those of their ilk who have&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;joined them out of mercenary motives and have occupied themselves from the very start with the gratification of their personal interests and ambitions based upon the &quot;principle&quot; of &quot;Grab, while grabbing is good!&quot;

It is my opinion that the underlying cause of their failure consists in the fact that the Bolsheviki have failed to comprehend the essence of Socialism, that have flattened it out to a maximum degree and have reduced it in its entirety to the level of economics, in complete forgetfulness of the truth that life is complex and cannot be exclusively ramified by economic relations, that &quot;man lives not on bread alone.&quot; They have cast aside the entire spiritual and moral side of life as a worthless rag.

Again, having been nurtured for years in the conceptions and precepts of the class struggle, in the ideas of fight and only fight as a means of breaking down the old regime, they, the Bolsheviki, have left out of sight the basic principle that destruction is not everything in life, and that aside from destroying the old it is necessary to create the new. And the ability for creation lies not in class hatred, but in the feelings of solidarity and mutual cooperation. ''Hatred'' is a weapon of destruction, and as such it is at times expedient to use it for political purposes, but the creative source of life is ''love,'' and those who have killed the element of love in their hearts and minds cannot pretend to the role of creators of new life, no matter how sincerely they may believe in their creative mission. This lack of the creative force of love in the ranks of the active Bolsheviki is the basic cause of the failure of their enterprise.

Aside from that, having spent all their lives in the abstract atmosphere of the class struggle, the Bolsheviki could not see the forest for the trees, and failed to notice the entire people for the sake of a class. In striving to rebuild life they have appealed only to a class and not to the entire people with their manysided and variegated interests. Unfortunately, the class to whom they have appealed represents only a minority everywhere in the world, and a very small minority in Russia, and even this minority was not entirely and consciously on the side of the Bolsheviki.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;They are ready to make every concession except the convocation of a Constituent Assembly. The very idea of a Constituent Assembly is an emphatic denial of their tendency to impose by force the will of an insignificant minority upon the entire people. But no matter how good the motives and desires of those who wish to impose a dictatorship upon the people, their efforts must of necessity fail, for even in Russia the consciousness is growing that the people themselves are to be the masters of their own destiny, so, irrespective of the altruistic intention of a minority which wants to fasten its doctrines upon an unwilling people, it must result in collapse.

The will of the people cannot be violated by force. The Bolsheviki do not comprehend this, and it has become the principal cause of their undoing. 

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To establish an imperial court of appeal from the &quot;capricious and despotic&quot; local officials in Canton, another embassy was sent to Peking in 1816 under Lord Amherst. Its early experiences were a repetition of those of the Macartney mission in 1792,—courteous receptions and a seemingly friendly welcome. But Lord Macartney's coming had not been heralded by a series of events such as those reported to Peking from Canton on the eve of Lord Amherst's arrival. The Chinese Government had probably learned by 1816 that foreign intercourse as then conducted was quite inconsistent with the preservation of tranquillity, and there are also good reasons for believing that England's expansion in India alarmed and offended them, as she had just won victories in regions overrun twenty-four years previously by the troops of the Middle Kingdom. Nevertheless it is now certain not only that the Emperor (Kiaking) was quite willing to receive the British ambassador, but also that the hour of audience was actually fixed. Lord Amherst, however, considered that his dignity would be compromised if he acceded to the rapidity with which the Chinese officials sought to introduce him to the Palace. Highly inconvenient, if not wilfully unseeming, haste had been observed in&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|212}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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get seven thousand pounds, and a sixth share in the piano business. Old Barmby and his son are
trustees. They may let Horace have just what
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“And Miss Lord?” asked Crewe carelessly.

Beatrice pointed a finger at him.

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(''g''.) A player &quot;renounces&quot; when he does not follow suit to the card led; he &quot;renounces in error&quot; when, although holding one or more cards of the suit led, he plays a card of a different suit; if such renounce in error is not lawfully corrected, it constitutes a &quot;revoke.&quot;

(''h''.) A card is &quot;played&quot; whenever, in the course of play, it is placed or dropped face upwards on the table.

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(''g''.) A player &quot;renounces&quot; when he does not follow suit to the card led; he &quot;renounces in error&quot; when, although holding one or more cards of the suit led, he plays a card of a different suit; if such renounce in error is not lawfully corrected, it constitutes a &quot;revoke.&quot;

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When the officers chosen by the Parti Ouvrier came to the Hotel de Ville they found an empty treasury and a debt of more than $8,000 contracted by their bourgeois predecessors. It had to be paid. In spite of this they carried out the reforms expressed in the party program and at the expiration of their term they leave an available balance of more than $28,665. The municipality of Ivry, in short, and it has a right to be proud of the fact, has fulfilled all the promises it made to the workers who in 1896 gave it their confidence.

It has instituted the school kitchens, creches, municipal dispensaries, gratuitous legal advice and free administrative consultations, municipal employment bureaus, distribution of clothing and shoes to the school children, lodging houses, etc.

As to the eight hour day and the minimum wage of $360, these things were accomplished the first year.

The expenditures for public relief which in 1895 were $4,400 have been steadily increased to $10,782 in 1899. The funds at the disposal of the schools, which amounted to $1,200 under the bourgeois administration, have been increased by the socialists to $4,400. Creches have been constructed in the laborers quarters at a cost of $24,000. Assistance in the form of medicines, (by reason of the refusal of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The school kitchens have furnished 64,649 free meals to the children and also supplied them with clothing and shoes at an expense of $3,240. Under the name of &quot;maternity&quot; from $6 to $18 are given to each woman upon the birth of her third or fourth child.

The municipality has given a pension of 1 fr. per day to 48 aged or sick laborers and has added to its expense account the sum of $600 to be used in securing the release from the government pawnshops (mont de piete) of the clothing, beds or tools of the laborers.

The public library of the municipality has had since 1896 many socialist works added to its shelves. It has 700 more readers now than under the previous administration.

Finally, thanks to the work of the commissioner of hygiene the sanitary condition of Ivry has been much improved, epidemics have disappeared and the mortality from contagious diseases is almost nothing.

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It was in 1892 that the Hotel de Ville of Montlucon was conquered by the Parti Ouvrier. I do not intend to enter upon what was accomplished by the socialist administration from 1892–6, because this is still fresh in the memory of all.

It is worthy of note that the department of public relief has been completely organized, that popular kitchens have been established, that there have been periodical free distributions of clothing to school children and that the school kitchens have been installed in the Ville-Sozet, and all this without interfering with the numerous reforms introduced into the municipal services, such as distribution of spring water in populous districts, abolition of personal property tax on families paying less rent than $40 a year, free supplies for school children, eight hour day for city employes and workmen, etc.

The work of the socialist municipal council presided over by my lawless predecessor and friend, Jean Dormoy, was so beneficial to the whole population that in 1896 the ticket of the Parti Ouvrier was re-elected entire on the first ballot, over a coalition ticket on which our opponents combined all their strength, a ticket republican by courtesy but frankly reactionary, headed by the Senator Chantemille.

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If its base of operations was larger, on account of the growth of the city, the difficulties became greater, in proportion to the needs of this population of wage-workers. The executive power, instead of being regarded as it was by the old bourgeois mayors, was constantly directed with a view to the well being, the convenience and the health of the workers.

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The professional school, installed three months ago in a magnificent building, has lecture rooms befitting a city of more than 35,000 inhabitants.

A school of design of mathematics applied to industry is annexed to it, and was opened April 22 in the presence of the delegates of all the workingmen’s unions of Montlucon.

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AESOP. Fables, retold by M. L. Pratt. 2v
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ARABIAN nights, retold by M. A. L. Lane.
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BAILEY, C. S. Untold history stories.
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BRYCE, C. T. Folklore from foreign lands.
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CLARK, L. P., ed. Stories from American
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COOPER, J. F. Adventures of Deerslayer,
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Adventures of Pathfinder, retold by

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DEFOE, Daniel. Robinson Crusoe, simpli-
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DUMAS, Alexandre. Monte Cristo, adapted
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Three musketeers, ed. by C. S.
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HUGO, Victor. Jean Valjean; ed. by S. E.
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Les miserables, adapted by Ettie
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‘{{sc|Mother}}, I have seen such a wonderful man,’ said a little boy one day, as he entered a hut in Lapland, bearing in his arms the bundle of sticks he had been sent out to gather.

‘Have you, my son; and what was he like?’ asked the mother, as she took off the child’s sheep-skin coat and shook it on the door-step.

‘Well, I was tired of stooping for the sticks, and was leaning against a tree to rest, when I heard a noise of ’sh-’sh, among the dead leaves. I thought perhaps it was a wolf, so I stood very still. But soon there came past a tall man—oh! twice as tall as father—with a long red beard and a red tunic fastened with a silver girdle, from which hung a big silver-handled knife. Behind him followed a great dog, which looked stronger than any wolf, or even a bear. But why are you so pale, mother?’

‘It was the Stalo,’ replied she, her voice trembling; ‘Stalo the man-eater! You did well to hide, or you might never have come back. But, remember that, though he is so tall and strong, he is very stupid, and many a Lapp has escaped from his clutches by playing him some clever trick.’

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And, as he watched, Patto’s youngest daughter ran gaily down the path, till her foot caught in the strings that were stretched across the steepest place. She slipped and fell, and in another instant had rolled into the water within reach of the Stalo.

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The young man looked everywhere, but he could not find the axe, for the very good reason that Patto had managed to pick it up and hide it in his clothes.

‘Stupid fellow! what is the use of you?’ grumbled his father angrily; and he bade first one and then another of his sons to fetch him the tool, but they had no better success than their brother.

‘I must come myself, I suppose!’ said Stalo, putting aside the box. But, meanwhile, Patto had slipped from the hook and concealed himself behind the door, so that, as Stalo stepped in, his prisoner raised the axe, and with one blow the ogre’s head was rolling on the ground. His sons were so frightened at the sight that they all ran away.

And in this manner Patto avenged his dead children.


But though Stalo was dead, his three sons were still living, and not very far off either. They had gone to their mother, who was tending some reindeer on the pastures, and told her that by some magic, they knew not what, their father’s head had rolled from his body, and they had been so afraid that something dreadful would happen to them that they had come to take refuge with her. The ogress said nothing. Long ago she had found out how stupid her sons were, so she just sent them out to milk the reindeer, while she returned to the other house to bury her husband’s body.


Now, three days’ journey from the hut on the pastures two brothers named Sodno dwelt in a small cottage with their sister Lyma, who tended a large herd of reindeer while they were out hunting. Of late it had been whispered from one to another that the three young Stalos were to be seen on the pastures, but the Sodno&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Unluckily, however, one day, when Lyma was left by herself in the hut, the three Stalos came down and carried her and the reindeer off to their own cottage. The country was very lonely, and perhaps no one would have known in which direction she had gone had not the girl managed to tie a ball of thread to the handle of a door at the back of the cottage and let it trail behind her. Of course the ball was not long enough to go all the way, but it lay on the edge of a snowy track which led straight to the Stalos’ house. 

When the brothers returned from their hunting they found both the hut and the sheds empty. Loudly they cried: ‘Lyma! Lyma!’ But no voice answered them; and they fell to searching all about, lest perchance their sister might have dropped some clue to guide them. At length their eyes dropped on the thread which lay on the snow, and they set out to follow it.

On and on they went, and when at length the thread stopped the brothers knew that another day’s journey would bring them to the Stalos’ dwelling. Of course they did not dare to approach it openly, for the Stalos had the strength of giants, and besides, there were three of them; so the two Sodons climbed into a big bushy tree which overhung a well.

‘Perhaps our sister may be sent to draw water here,’ they said to each other.

But it was not till the moon had risen that the sister came, and as she let down her bucket into the well, the leaves seemed to whisper ‘Lyma! Lyma!’

The girl started and looked up, but could see nothing, and in a moment the voice came again.

‘Be careful—take no notice, fill your buckets, but listen carefully all the while, and we will tell you what to do so that you may escape yourself and set free the reindeer also.’
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‘You know,’ said her brother, ‘that when a Stalo finds that anything has been dropped into his food he will not eat a morsel, but throws it to his dogs. Now, after the pot has been hanging some time over the fire, and the broth is nearly cooked, just rake up the log of wood so that some of the ashes fly into the pot. The Stalo will soon notice this, and will call you to give all the food to the dogs; but, instead, you must bring it straight to us, as it is three days since we have eaten or drunk. That is all you need do for the present.’

Then Lyma took up her buckets and carried them into the house, and did as her brothers had told her. They were so hungry that they ate the food up greedily without speaking, but when there was nothing left in the pot, the eldest one said:

‘Listen carefully to what I have to tell you. After the eldest Stalo has cooked and eaten a fresh supper, he will go to bed and sleep so soundly that not even a witch could wake him. You can hear him snoring a mile off, and then you must go into his room and pull off the iron mantle that covers him, and put it on the fire till it is almost red hot. When that is done, come to us and we will give you further directions.’

‘I will obey you in everything, dear brothers,’ answered Lyma; and so she did.

It had happened that on this very evening the Stalos had driven in some of the reindeer from the pasture, and had tied them up to the wall of the house so that they might be handy to kill for next day’s dinner. The two Sodnos had seen what they were doing, and where the beasts were secured; so, at midnight, when all was still, they crept down from their tree and seized the reindeer by the horns which were locked together. The animals were frightened, and began to neigh and kick, as if they were fighting together, and the noise became so great&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The young Stalo did as he was bid, and left the house; but no sooner was he out of the door than he was stabbed to the heart by one of the Sodnos, and fell without a groan. Then they went back to worry the reindeer, and the noise became as great as ever, and a second time the Stalo awoke.

‘The boy does not seem able to part the beasts,’ he cried to his second brother; ‘go and help him, or I shall never get to sleep.’ So the brother went, and in an instant was struck dead as he left the house by the sword of the eldest Sodno. The Stalo waited in bed a little longer for things to get quiet, but as the clatter of the reindeers’ horns was as bad as ever, he rose angrily from his bed muttering to himself:

‘It is extraordinary that they cannot unlock themselves; but as no one else seems able to help them I suppose I must go and do it.’

Rubbing his eyes, he stood up on the floor and stretched his great arms and gave a yawn which shook the walls. The Sodnos heard it below, and posted themselves, one at the big door and one at the little door at the back, for they did not know which their enemy would come out at.

The Stalo put out his hand to take his iron mantle from the bed, where it always lay, but the mantle was not there. He wondered where it could be, and who could have moved it, and after searching through all the rooms, he found it hanging over the kitchen fire. But the first touch burnt him so badly that he let it alone, and went with nothing, except a stick in his hand, through the back door.

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With the first rays of the sun the young Sodno went upstairs and entered the old woman’s room. She was already up and dressed, and sitting by the window knitting, and the young man crept in softly and crouched down on the floor, laying his head on her lap. For a while he kept silence, then he whispered gently:

‘Tell me, dear mother, where did my eldest brother conceal his riches?’

‘What a strange question! Surely you must know, answered she.

‘No, I have forgotten; my memory is so bad.’

‘He dug a hole under the doorstep and placed it there,’ said she. And there was another pause.

By-and-by the Sodno asked again:

‘And where may my second brother’s money be?’

‘Don’t you know that either?’ cried the mother in surprise.

‘Oh, yes; I did once. But since I fell upon my head I can remember nothing.’ 

‘It is behind the oven,’ answered she. And again was silence.

‘Mother, dear mother,’ said the young man at last, ‘I am almost afraid to ask you; but I really have grown so stupid of late. Where did I hide my own money?’

But at this question the old woman flew into a passion, and vowed that if she could find a rod she would bring his memory back to him. Luckily, no rod was within her reach, and the Sodno managed, after a little, to coax her back into good humour, and at length she told him that the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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‘Dear mother,’ said Lyma, who had come in unseen, and was kneeling in front of the fire. ‘Dear mother, do you know who it is you have been talking with?’

The old woman started, but answered quietly:

‘It is a Sodno, I suppose?’

‘You have guessed right,’ replied Lyma.

The mother of the Stalos looked round for her iron cane, which she always used to kill her victims, but it was not there, for Lyma had put it in the fire.

‘Where is my iron cane?’ asked the old woman.

‘There!’ answered Lyma, pointing to the flames.

The old woman sprang forward and seized it, but her clothes caught fire, and in a few minutes she was burned to ashes.

So the Sodno brothers found the treasure, and they carried it, and their sister and the reindeer, to their own home, and were the richest men in all Lapland.

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      <text bytes="1537" sha1="7j3chbf3uo1ef66ibhu0c6rwnhh5vi5" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;MarkLSteadman&quot; /&gt;{{c|31}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Space permits but a brief mention of various projects, the general sanitation of the city by a sewer system, the construction of an  orphan's home; improved water works, new school restaurants; covered markets, a second public kitchen, a kindergarten, etc., most of which are provided for in a bond issue submitted to the Council of State, which may be withholding its approval for political reasons.

Moreover, certain works of ordinary administration have been completed, such as a building for the savings bank, a street railway project, the construction of stone dikes on the river bank, etc. Let me add that the socialist municipal administration has captured the people to such an extent that at the special election of Dec. 26, 1899, made necessary by the death of Jean Dormoy, the candidates of the Parti Ouvrier had no opposition.

Note that from the financial point of view, everything has been accomplished without increasing expenditures by a centime, while the highest estimate of the budget for 1900 does not exceed $150,000, and the hospital and the bureau of charities have no income outside the city's appropriations. Moreover, the municipality has paid off some old debts left by the bourgeois administration, notably a sum of more than $8,000 for work on the Lyceum.

I cannot better end than by a tribute to my predecessor, our lamented comrade, Jean Dormoy, to whose memory is due the honor of these reforms of which the Parti Ouvrier is proud.{{float right|F. CONSTANS, Mayor.|offset=2em}}
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XXIII. In all his wars, he never received any signal or ignominious defeat, except twice in Germany, under his lieutenants Lollius and Varus. The former indeed had in it more of dishonour than disaster; but that of Varus threatened the security of the empire itself; three legions, with the commander, his lieutenants, and all the auxiliaries, being cut off. Upon receiving intelligence of this disaster, he gave orders for keeping a strict watch over the city, to prevent any public disturbance, and prolonged the appointments of the prefects in the provinces, that the allies might be kept in order by experience of persons to whom they were used. He made a vow to celebrate the great games in honour of Jupiter, Optimus, Maximus, &quot;if he would be pleased to restore the stale to more prosperous circumstances.&quot; This had formerly been resorted to in the Cimbrian and Marsian wars. In short, we are informed that he was in such consternation at this event, that he let the hair of his head and beard grow for several months, and sometimes knocked his head against the door-posts, crying out, &quot;O, Quintilius Varus! Give me back my legions!&quot; And
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XXIV. In military affairs he made many alterations, introducing some practices entirely new, and reviving others, which had become obsolete. He maintained the strictest discipline among the troops; and would not allow even his lieutenants the liberty to visit their wives, except reluctantly, and in the winter season only. A Roman knight having cut off the thumbs of his two young sons, to render them incapable of serving in the wars, he exposed both him and his estate to public sale. But upon observing the farmers of the revenue very greedy for the purchase, he assigned him to a freedman of his own, that he might send him into the country, and suffer him to retain his freedom. The tenth legion becoming mutinous, he disbanded it with ignominy; and did the same by some others which petulantly demanded their discharge; withholding from them the rewards usually bestowed on those who had served their stated time in the wars. The cohorts which yielded their ground in time of action, he decimated, and fed with barley. Centurions, as well as common sentinels, who deserted their posts when on guard, he punished with death. For other misdemeanors he inflicted upon them various kinds of disgrace; such as obliging them to stand all day before the prætorium, sometimes in their tunics only, and without their belts, sometimes to carry poles ten feet long, or sods of turf.

XXV. After the conclusion of the civil wars, he never, in any of his military harangues, or proclamations, addressed them by the title of &quot;Fellow-soldiers,&quot; but as &quot;Soldiers&quot; only. Nor would he suffer them to be otherwise called by his sons or step-sons, when they were in command; judging the former epithet to convey the idea of a degree of condescension inconsistent with military discipline, the maintenance of order, and his own majesty, and that of his house. Unless at Rome, in case of incendiary fires, or under the apprehension of public disturbances during a scarcity of provisions, he never employed in his army slaves who had been made freedmen, except upon two occasions; on one, for the security of the colonies bordering upon Illyricum, and on the other, to guard&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{verse||verse=7}} Those who disbelieve assert that they will not be raised again. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Yea, verily, by my Lord! ye will be raised again and then ye will be informed of what ye did; and that is easy for Allah.
{{verse||verse=8}} So believe in Allah and His messenger and the light which We have revealed. And Allah is Aware of what ye do.
{{verse||verse=9}} The day when He shall gather you unto the Day of Assembling, that will be a day of mutual disillusion. And whoso believeth in Allah and doeth right, He will remit from him his evil deeds and will bring him unto Gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein to abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph.
{{verse||verse=10}} But those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are owners of the Fire; they will abide therein&amp;mdash;a hapless journey's end!
{{verse||verse=11}} No calamity befalleth save by Allah's leave. And whosoever believeth in Allah, He guideth his heart. And Allah is Knower of all things.
{{verse||verse=12}} Obey Allah and obey His messenger; but if ye turn away, then the duty of Our messenger is only to convey (the message) plainly.
{{verse||verse=13}} Allah! There is no God save Him. In Allah, therefore, let believers put their trust.
{{verse||verse=14}} O ye who believe! Lo! among your wives and your children there are enemies for you, therefor beware of them. And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
{{verse||verse=15}} Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with Him is an immense reward.&lt;/poem&gt;
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''At-Taghâbun'', &quot;Mutual Disillusion&quot;, takes its name from a word in v. 9.

The date of revelation is possibly the year 1 A.H., though it is generally regarded as a late Meccan Sûrah, vv. 14 ff. being taken as referring to the pressure brought to bear by wives and families to prevent Muslims leaving Mecca at the time of the Hijrah.

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{{c|''Revealed at Mecca''}}

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

&lt;poem&gt;{{verse||verse=1}} All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifieth Allah; unto Him belongeth sovereignty and unto Him belongeth praise, and He is Able to do all things.
{{verse||verse=2}} He it is Who created you, but one of you is a disbeliever and one of you is a believer, and Allah is Seer of what ye do.
{{verse||verse=3}} He created the heavens and the earth with truth, and He shaped you and made good your shapes, and unto Him is the journeying.
{{verse||verse=4}} He knoweth all that is in the heavens and the earth, and He knoweth what ye conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men).
{{verse||verse=5}} Hath not the story reached you of those who disbelieved of old and so did taste the ill-effects of their conduct, and theirs will be a painful doom.&lt;/poem&gt;
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And &quot;That is done fast enough, which is done well enough.&quot; 
He was wont to say also, that &quot;a battle or a war ought never to be undertaken, unless the prospect of gain overbalanced the fear of loss. For,&quot; said he, &quot;men who pursue small advantages with no small hazard, resemble those who fish with a golden hook, the loss of which, if the line should happen to break, could never be compensated by all the fish they might take.&quot;

XXVI. He was advanced to public offices before the age at which he was legally qualified for them; and to some, also, of a new kind, and for life. He seized the consulship in the twentieth year of his age, quartering his legions in a threatening manner near the city, and sending deputies to demand it for him in the name of the army. When the senate {{hws|de|demurred}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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XXVII. During ten years he acted as one of the triumvirate for settling the commonwealth, in which office he for some time opposed his colleagues in their design of a proscription; but after it was begun, he prosecuted it with more determined rigour than either of them. For whilst they were often prevailed upon, by the interest and intercession of friends, to shew mercy, he alone strongly insisted that no one should be spared, and even proscribed Caius Toranius,&lt;ref&gt;A great and wise man, if he is the same person to whom Cicero's letters on the calamities of the times were addressed. ''Fam''. ''Epist''. c. vi. 20, 21.&lt;/ref&gt; his guardian, who had&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{initial|B|y}} inscribing this slight performance to you, I do not mean so much to compliment you as myself. It may do me some honour to inform the public, that I have lived many years in intimacy with you. It may serve the interests of mankind also to inform them, that the greatest wit may be found in a character, without impairing the most unaffected piety.

I have, particularly, reason to thank you for your partiality to this performance. The undertaking a comedy, not merely sentimental, was very dangerous; and Mr. Colman, who saw this piece in its various stages, always thought it so. However I ventured to trust it to the public; and though it was necessarily delayed till late in the season, I have every reason to be grateful.

{{center block|I am, Dear Sir,

{{em}}Your most sincere friend,

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{{em|2}}OLIVER GOLDSMITH.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}Dear Sir,

{{initial|B|y}} inscribing this slight performance to you, I do not mean so much to compliment you as myself. It may do me some honour to inform the public, that I have lived many years in intimacy with you. It may serve the interests of mankind also to inform them, that the greatest wit may be found in a character, without impairing the most unaffected piety.

I have, particularly, reason to thank you for your partiality to this performance. The undertaking a comedy, not merely sentimental, was very dangerous; and Mr. Colman, who saw this piece in its various stages, always thought it so. However I ventured to trust it to the public; and though it was necessarily delayed till late in the season, I have every reason to be grateful.

{{center block|I am, Dear Sir,

{{em}}Your most sincere friend,

{{phantom|I am, Dear Sir,}}And admirer,

{{em|2}}OLIVER GOLDSMITH.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I'd rather, but that's nothing—lose my head. 
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Both nervous grown, to keep our spirits up, 
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{{'}}''Tis not alone this mourning suit,'' good masters;
''I've that within''—for which there are no plaisters!
Pray wou'd you know the reason why I'm crying?
The Comic muse, long sick, is now a dying!
And if she goes, my tears will never stop;
For as a play'r, I can't squeeze out one drop:
I am undone, that's all—shall lose my bread—
I'd rather, but that's nothing—lose my head.
When the sweet maid is laid upon the bier,
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To her a mawkish drab of spurious breed,
Who deals in ''sentimentals'' will succeed!
Poor ''Ned'' and ''I'' are dead to all intents,
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Both nervous grown, to keep our spirits up,
We now and then take down a hearty cup.
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''They'll turn us out, and no one else will take us'',
But why can't I be moral?—Let me try—
My heart thus pressing—fix'd my face and eye—
With a sententious look, that nothing means,
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''Pleasure seems sweet, but proves a glass of bitters''.
''When ign'rance enters, folly is at hand;''
''Learning is better far than house and land.''
''Let not your virtue trip, who trips may stumble,''
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He accepted of the tribunitian power for life, but more than once chose a colleague in that office for two ''lustra''&lt;ref&gt;The Lustrum was a period of five years, at the end of which the census of the people was taken. It was first made by the Roman kings, then by the consuls, but after the year 310 from the building of the city, by the censors, who were magistrates created for that purpose. It appears, however, that the census was not always held at stated periods, and sometimes long intervals intervened.&lt;/ref&gt; successively. He also had the supervision of morality and observance of the laws, for life, but without the title of censor; yet he thrice&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{italic block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|One hope remains—hearing the maid was ill,
A ''doctor'' comes this night to shew his skill.
To cheer her heart, and give your muscles motion,
He in ''five draughts'' prepar'd, presents a potion:
A kind of magic charm—for be assur'd,
If you will ''swallow it'', the maid is cur'd:
But desp'rate the Doctor, and her case is,
If you reject the dose, and make wry faces!
This truth he boasts, will boast it while he lives,
No ''pois'nous drugs'' are mix'd in what he gives;
Should he succeed, you'll give him his degree;
If not, within he will receive no fee!
The college ''you'', must his pretensions back,
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{{ppoem|start=open|end=follow|{{di|''W''}}{{uc|''ell''}}, having stoop'd to conquer with success,
And gain'd a husband without aid from dress,
Still as a Bar-maid, I could wish it too,
As I have conquer'd him to conquer you:
And let me say, for all your resolution,
That pretty Bar-maids have done execution.
Our life is all a play, compos'd to please,
&quot;We have our exits and our entrances.&quot;
The first act shews the simple country maid,
Harmless and young, of ev'ry thing afraid;
Blushes when hir'd, and with unmeaning action,
''I hopes as how to give you satisfaction.''
Her second act displays a livelier scene,—
Th' unblushing Bar-maid of a country inn.
Who whisks about the house, at market caters,
Talks loud, coquets the guests, and scolds the waiters.}}&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{italic block/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{italic block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Next the scene shifts to town, and there she soars,
The chop house toast of ogling connoissieurs.
On 'Squires and Cits she there displays her arts,
And on the gridiron broils her lover's hearts—
And as she smiles, her triumphs to compleat,
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Ogles and leers with artificial skill,
Till having lost in age the power to kill,
She sits all night at cards, and ogles at spadille.
Such, thro' our lives, the eventful history—
The fifth and last act still remains for me.
The Bar-maid now for your protection prays,
Turns Female Barrister, and leads for Bayes.}}
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{{italic block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=close|Next the scene shifts to town, and there she soars,
The chop house toast of ogling connoissieurs.
On 'Squires and Cits she there displays her arts,
And on the gridiron broils her lover's hearts—
And as she smiles, her triumphs to compleat,
Even Common Councilmen forget to eat.
The fourth act shews her wedded to the 'Squire,
And Madam now begins to hold it higher;
Pretends to taste, at Operas cries ''caro'',
And quits her Nancy Dawson, for ''Che Faro''.
Doats upon dancing, and in all her pride,
Swims round the room, the ''Heinel'' of Cheapside:
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Till having lost in age the power to kill,
She sits all night at cards, and ogles at spadille.
Such, thro' our lives, the eventful history—
The fifth and last act still remains for me.
The Bar-maid now for your protection prays,
Turns Female Barrister, and leads for Bayes.}}
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XXVIII. He twice entertained thoughts of restoring the republic;&lt;ref&gt;Augustus appears to have been in earnest on these occasions, at least, in his desire to retire into private life and release himself from the cares of government, if we may believe Seneca. ''De Brev''. ''Vit''. c. 5. Of his two intimate advisors, Agrippa gave this counsel, while Mecænas was for continuing his career of ambition.—''Eutrop.'' 1. 53.&lt;/ref&gt; first, immediately after he had crushed Antony, remembering that he had often charged him with being the obstacle to its restoration. The second time was in consequence of a long illness, when he sent for the magistrates and the senate to his own house, and delivered them a particular account of the state of the empire. But reflecting at the same time that it would be both hazardous to himself to return to 
the condition of a private person, and might be dangerous to the public to have the government placed again under the control of the people, he resolved to keep it in his own hands, whether with the better event or intention, is hard to say. His good intentions he often affirmed in private discourse, and also published an edict, in which it was declared in the following terms: &quot;May it be permitted me to have the happiness of establishing the commonwealth on a safe and sound basis, and thus enjoy the reward of which I am ambitious, that of being celebrated for moulding it into the form best adapted to present circumstances; so that, on my leaving the world, I may carry with me the hope that the foundations which I have laid for its future government, will stand firm and stable.&quot;

XXIX. The city, which was not built in a manner suitable to the grandeur of the empire, and was liable to inundations of the Tiber,&lt;ref&gt;The Tiber has been always remarkable for the frequency of its inundations and the ravages they occasioned, as remarked by Pliny, iii. 5. Livy mentions several such occurrences, as well as one extensive fire, which destroyed great part of the city.&lt;/ref&gt; as well as to fires, was so much improved under his administration, that he boasted, not without reason, that he &quot;found it of brick, but left it of marble.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;p91&quot;&gt;The well-known saying of Augustus, recorded by Suetonius, that he found a city of bricks, but left it of marble, has another version given it by Dio, who applies it to his consolidation of the government, to the {{hws|fol|following}}&lt;/ref&gt; He also rendered&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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occurring in the same region and in north Persia, which is less pubescent. Var. 
barbata is in cultivation at Kew. 

2. Var. guercifolia, Willdenow, Berlin Baumz. 44 (1796). Oak-leaved alder. 
Leaves obovate, lobed like the common oak. This variety has been found wild in 
Sweden. 

3. Var. sorbifolia, Dippel, Laubholzkunde, ii. 161 (1892). Service-leaved alder. 
Leaves oval, lobed like those of Pyrus intermedia. This variety has been found 
wild in Finland. 

4. Var. laciniata, Willdenow, loc. cit. Cut-leaved alder. Leaves (Plate 268, 
Fig. 7), divided half-way to the midrib into three to six pairs of non-serrated triangular 
segments ; petiole slender, about an inch long. 

The cut-leaved alder, according to Duhamel, occurs wild in the north of 
France, particularly in Normandy, and in the woods of Montmorency near Paris. 
Thouin states, according to Loudon, that it was first found by Trochereau de 
la Berli¢re, and planted by him in his garden near St. Germain, where the 
stool remained in 1838, from which all the nurseries of Paris were supplied with 
plants. The largest trees we have seen of this variety are described on p. 942. 

5. Var. imperialis, Petzold and Kirchner, Arb. Musc. 599 (1864). Alnus imperialis, Desfossé-Thuillier, Illust. Hort. vi. 97, fig. (1859). 

Leaves (Plate 268, Fig. 8) oval, divided more than half-way to the midrib, into 
six or seven pairs of long narrow lanceolate non-serrated curved segments. This 
variety, so far as we know, does not attain to as large a size as the ordinary form of 
the cut-leaved alder. A specimen at Ponfield, Hertford, is 25 feet high by 1 foot 8 
inches in girth. 

6. Var. incisa, Willdenow, Sp. Pl. iv. 335 (1805) (var. oxyacanthæfolia, 
Loddiges, Catalogue, 1836). Thorn-leaved alder. Leaves (Plate 268, Fig. 10) 
small, deeply incised, resembling those of the common hawthorn. A fine specimen, 
44 feet high by 2 feet 8 inches in girth, is growing in the arboretum at Barton, near 
Bury St. Edmunds. 

7, Var. rubrinervia, Dippel, loc. cit. A tree, pyramidal in habit, with large 
and shining leaves, furnished with red petioles and nerves, vigorous in growth and 
handsome in appearance. In cultivation at Aldenham. 

8. Var. pyramidalis, Dippel, loc. cit. Branches erect, leaves as in the type. 

9. Var. aurea, Verschaffelt, ex Dippel, loc. cit. Lemaire, Illust. Hortic. 1866, 
t. 490. Leaves yellow. Found as a seedling in Vervaene’s nursery at Ledeberg-les-Gand. In cultivation at Aldenham. 

10. Var. maculata, Winkler, loc. cit. Leaves variegated with yellow. There is 
a small specimen at Aldenham, which is slow in growth. 

Hybrids? between Alnus glutinosa and Alnus incana are common in the wild 
state, where the two species are growing together, and have been observed in 


1 Ledebour, loc. cit. Alnus denticulata, C.A. Meyer, loc. cit. 

2 A. glutinosa × incana; A. spuria, Callier. Schneider, Laubholzkunde, 130 (1904), distinguishes three forms of this hybrid.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Though old writers tell us that the alder was often planted by inserting long 
cuttings, or by burying pieces of the root in the soil ; and though layering is the mode 
usually adopted by nurserymen for propagating the varieties ; yet, as a general rule, 
it is best raised from seed. The cones ripen in autumn and are freely produced 
almost every year so far as I have observed. As soon as they begin to open, they 
should be gathered when quite dry; and though it is said that the seeds will keep for 
two years or more in the cone, yet, as a rule, they should be sown in autumn or in 
early spring and lightly covered with earth. Though I have not tried it myself, I 
believe that the germination is more rapid and regular if the seed is soaked in water 
before sowing, but seedlings can be procured so cheaply from nurserymen that I 
have always bought them at one or two years old. They are easy to transplant and 
grow fast if the soil is moist, being fit to plant out at three or at most four years old ; 
and I have had as good or better success by planting them in spring as in autumn. 
The alder bears coppicing well, if not cut too near the ground, but the stools have 
a tendency to decay in the centre and to spread outwardly. True suckers are not 
produced, though the roots when exposed by running water will throw up shoots. 
The usual age for coppicing is fifteen to twenty years, and I am informed by Sir 
Hugh Beevor that he obtained a yield of 1700 poles per acre, which at seventeen 
years’ growth from the stool averaged 20 feet long with a girth of 7 to 11 inches, 
giving a yield of about 1100 cubic feet per acre. If the trees are allowed to stand 
for timber they should be cut at fifty to seventy years, when they may average 50 to 
70 feet high by 4 to 5 feet in girth. The only lot of alders I ever sold standing, 300 
in number, realised £100, being at the rate of 4d. or 5d. per foot. Sir Herbert 
Maxwell states, that as long as clogs remain in common use, there will be little 
difficulty in realising 440 per acre for mature alder coppice, and this on land so wet as 
to be worthless for any other purpose. Except in localities where a good and regular 
market is assured, I should not recommend the planting of alder except in places too 
cold, wet, and marshy for willow or poplar to thrive; but Selby,? whose opinion of 
the tree as an ornamental one was better than my own, states as the result of his 
own experience, that the nature of the roots of the alder causes the tree to attract 
and retain the moisture in the soil, to such an extent that it will convert into a 
morass, land which, if drained and planted with other trees, might be rendered dry 
and productive. He adds that from experiments he has made he is “ fully convinced 
that a plantation of alders would soon render the ground (even if previously of 
tolerably sound and dry quality) soft and spongy, and in time convert it into a 
decided bog.” I cannot learn that this observation has been confirmed by others, 
and am inclined to doubt its being of general application. 
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? British Forest Trees, p. 218 (1842).&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{italic block|{{ppoem|{{di|''W''}}{{uc|''ell''}}—now all's ended—and my comrades gone,
Pray what becomes of ''mother's nonly son?''
A hopeful blade!—in town I'll fix my station,
And try to make a bluster in the nation.
As for my cousin Neville, I renounce her,
Off—in a crack—I'll carry big Bett Bouncer.
{{em}}Why should not I in the great world appear?
I soon shall have a thousand pounds a year;
No matter what a man may here inherit,
In London—'gad, they've some regard to spirit.
I see the horses prancing up the streets,
And big Bett Bouncer, bobs to all she meets;
Then hoikes to jiggs and pastimes ev'ry night—
Not to the plays—they say it a'n't polite,
To Sadler's-Wells perhaps, or Operas go,
And once by chance, to the roratorio.
Thus here and there, for ever up and down,
We'll set the fashions too, to half the town;
And then at auctions—money ne'er regard,
Buy pictures like the great, ten pounds a yard;
Zounds, we shall make these London gentry say,
We know what's damn'd genteel, as well as they.}}}}

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Avenger, the temple of Apollo on the Palatine hill, and the temple of Jupiter Tonans in the capitol. The reason of his building a new forum was the vast increase in the population, and the number of causes to be tried in the courts, for which, the two already existing not affording sufficient space, it was thought necessary to have a third. It was therefore opened for public use before the temple of Mars was completely finished; and a law was passed, that causes should be tried, and judges chosen by lot, in that place. The temple of Mars was built in fulfilment of a vow made during the war of Philippi, undertaken by him to avenge his father's murder. He ordained that the senate should always assemble there when they met to deliberate respecting wars and triumphs; that thence should be despatched all those who were sent into the provinces in the command of armies; and that in it those who returned victorious from the wars, should lodge the trophies of their triumphs. He erected the temple of Apollo&lt;ref&gt;The temple of the Palatine Apollo stood, according to Bianchini, a little beyond the triumphal arch of Titus. It appears, from the reverse of a medal of Augustus, to have been a ''rotondo'', with an open portico, something like the temple of Vesta. The statues of the fifty daughters of Danae surrounded the portico; and opposite to them were their husbands on horseback. In this temple were preserved some of the finest works of the Greek artists, both in sculpture and painting. Here, in the presence of Augustus, Horace's ''Carmen Seculare'' was sung by twenty-seven noble youths and as many virgins. And here, as our author informs us, Augustus, towards the end of his reign, often assembled the senate.&lt;/ref&gt; in that part of his house on the Palatine hill which had been struck with lightning, and which, on that account, the soothsayers declared the God to have chosen. He added porticos to it, with a library of Latin and Greek authors;&lt;ref name=&quot;p92&quot;&gt;The library adjoined the temple and was under the protection of&lt;/ref&gt; and when advanced in years,
&lt;ref follow=&quot;p91&quot;&gt;{{hwe|lowing|following}} effect: &quot;That Rome, which I found built of mud, I shall leave you firm as a rock.&quot;—''Dio''. lvi. p. 589.&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[''These lines was writ, in ruther high sperits, jest at the close of what’s called the Anti Bellum Days, and more to be a-foolin’ than anything else,—though they is more er less facts in it. But some of the boys, at the time we was all a-singin’ it, for Esry’s benefit, to the old tune of “The Oak and the Ash and the Bonny Willer Tree,” got it struck off in the weekly, without leave er lisence of mine; and so sence they’s allus some of ’em left to rigg me about it yit, I might as well claim the thing right here and now, so here goes. I give it jest as it appeard, fixed up and grammatisized consider’ble, as the editer told me he took the liburty of doin’, in that sturling old home paper'' {{sc|The Advance}}—''as sound a paper yit to-day and as stanch and abul as you’ll find in a hunderd''.]

{{Ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{di|C}}{{uc|ome}} listen, good people, while a story I do tell,
Of the sad fate of one which I knew so passing well;
He enlisted at McCordsville, to battle in the South,
And protect his country’s union; his name was Ezra House.

He was a young school-teacher, and educated high
In regards to Ray’s arithmetic, and also Algebra:
He give good satisfaction, but at his country’s call
He dropped his position, his Algebra and all.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{C|386}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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He dedicated the temple to Apollo Tonans,&lt;ref&gt;The three fluted Corinthian columns of white marble, which stand on the declivity of the Capitoline hill, are commonly supposed to be the remains of the temple of Jupiter Tonans, erected by Augustus. Part of the frieze and cornice are attached to them, which with the capitals of the columns are finely wrought. Suetonius tells us on what occasion this temple was erected. Of all the epithets given to Jupiter, none conveyed more terror to superstitious minds than that of the Thunderer—&lt;blockquote&gt;
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We shall find this temple mentioned again in c. xci. of the life of Augustus.&lt;/ref&gt; in acknowledgment of his escape from a great danger in his Cantabrian expedition; when, as he was travelling in the night, his litter was struck by lightning, which killed the slave who carried a torch before him. He likewise constructed some public buildings in the name of others; for instance, his grandsons, his wife, and sister. Thus he built the portico and basilica of Lucius and Caius, and the porticos of Livia and Octavia,&lt;ref&gt;The Portico of Octavia stood between the Flaminian circus and the theatre of Marcellus, enclosing the temples of Jupiter and Juno, said to have been built in the time of the republic. Several remains of them exist in the Pescheria or fish-market; they were of the Corinthian order, and have been traced and engraved by Piranesi.&lt;/ref&gt; and the theatre of Marcellus.&lt;ref&gt;The magnificent theatre of Marcellus was built on the site where Suetonius has before informed us that Julius Cæsar intended to erect one (p. 30). It stood between the portico of Octavia and the hill of the capitol. Augustus gave it the name of his nephew Marcellus, though he was then dead. Its ruins are still to be seen in the Piazza Montanara, where the Orsini family have a palace erected on the site.&lt;/ref&gt; He also often exhorted other persons of rank to embellish the city by new buildings, or repairing and improving the old, according to their means. In consequence of this recommendation, many were raised; such as the temple of Hercules and the Muses, by Marcius Philippus; a temple of Diana by Lucius Cornificius; the Court of Freedom by Asinius Pollio; a temple of Saturn by Munatius Plancus; a theatre by Cornelius Balbus;&lt;ref&gt;The theatre of Balbus was the third of the three permanent theatres of Rome. Those of Pompey and Marcellus have been already mentioned.&lt;/ref&gt; an amphitheatre by Statilius Taurus; and several other noble edifices by Marcus Agrippa.&lt;ref name=&quot;p93&quot;&gt;Among these were, at least, the noble portico, if not the whole, of the&lt;/ref&gt;
&lt;ref follow=&quot;p92&quot;&gt;Apollo. Caius Julius Hegenus, a freedman of Augustus, and an eminent grammarian, was the librarian.&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The wonderful thoughtful women who make such good companions to a man
are only sitting tight on the craters of their volcano
and spreading their skirts.

Or like the woman who sat down on a sleeping mastodon
thinking he was a little hill, and she murmured such beautiful things
the men stood around like crocuses agape in the sun.

Then suddenly the mastodon rose with the wonderful lady
and trampled all the listeners to a smush.
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{{tpp|POOR BIT OF A WENCH!{{ld}}|
Will no one say hush! to thee
poor lass, poor bit of a wench?
Will never a man say: Come, my pigeon,
come an' be still wi' me, my own bit of a wench!

And would you peck out his eyes if he did?
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What ails thee then, woman, what ails thee?
doesn't ter know?

If tha canna say't, come then an' scraight it out on my bosom!
Eh?—Men doesna ha'e bosoms? 'appen not, on'y tha knows what I mean.
Come then, tha can scraight it out on my shirt-front
an' tha'lt feel better.

::—In the first place, I don't scraight.
::And if I did, I certainly couldn't ''scraight it out''.
::And if I could, the last place I should choose
::would be your shirt-front
::or your manly bosom either.
::So leave off trying to put the Robbie Burns touch over me
::and kindly hand me the cigarettes
::if you haven't smoked them all,
::hich you're much more likely to do
::than to shelter anybody from the cau-auld blast.—
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It's no good, the women are in eruption,
and those that have been good so far
now begin to steam ominously,
and if they're over forty-five, hurl great stones into the air
which are very likely to hit you on the head as you sit
on the very slopes of the matrimonial mountain
where you've sat peacefully all these years.

Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord,
but the women are my favourite vessels of wrath.
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{{tpp|SHIPS IN BOTTLES|
O ship in a bottle
with masts erect and spars all set and sails spread
how you remind me of my London friends,
O ships in bottles!

Little fleets
that put to sea on certain evenings,
frigates, barks and pinnaces, yawls
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all beautifully rigged and bottled up
that put to sea and boldly sink Armadas
in a pub parlour, in literary London, on certain evenings.

O small flotilla of sorry souls
sail on, over perilous seas of thought,
cast your little anchors in ports of eternity,
then weigh, and out to the infinities,
skirting the poles of being and of not-being.

Ah, in that parlour of the London pub
what dangers, ah what dangers!
Caught between great icebergs of doubt
they are all but crushed
little ships.
Nipped upon the frozen floods of philosophic despair
they lie high and dry
high and dry.
Reeling in the black end of all beliefs
they sink.

Yet there they are, there they are
little ships
safe inside their bottles!
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Whelmed in profundities of profound conversation,
lost between great waves of ultimate ideas
they are—why there they are,
safe inside their bottles!

Safer than in the arms of Jesus!
Oh safer than anything else is a well-corked, glassy ego,
and sounder than all insurance is a shiny mental conceit!

Sail, little ships in your glass bottles
safe from every contact,
safe from all experience,
safe, above all, from life!

And let the nodding tempests of verbosity
weekly or twice-weekly whistle round your bottles.
Spread your small sails immune, little ships!
The storm is words, the bottles never break.
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{{di|I}} {{uc|v}}ow, Mr. Hardcastle, you're very particular. Is there a creature in the whole country, but our­selves, that does not take a trip to town now and then, to rub off the rust a little? There's the two Miss Hoggs, and our neighbour, Mrs. Grigsby, go to take a month's polishing every winter.

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Ay, and bring back vanity and affectation to last them the whole year. I wonder why London cannot keep its own fools at home. In my time, the follies of the town crept slowly among us, but now they travel faster than a stage-coach. Its fopperies come down, not only as inside passengers, but in the very basket.

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Ay, ''your'' times were fine times, indeed; you have been telling us of ''them'' for many a long year. Here we live in an old rumbling mansion, that looks for all the world like an inn, but that we never see compa­ny. Our best visitors are old Mrs. Oddfish, the cu­rate's wife, and little Cripplegate, the lame danc­ing-master: And all our entertainment your old stories of Prince Eugene and the Duke of Marlborough. I hate such old-fashioned trumpery.

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
And I love it. I love every thing that's old: old friends, old times, old manners, old books, old wine; and, I believe, Dorothy, (''taking her hand'') you'll own I have been pretty fond of an old wife.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
Lord, Mr. Hardcastle, you're for ever at your Dorothy's and your old wife's. You may be a Dar­by, but I'll be no Joan, I promise you. I'm not so old as you'd make me, by more than one good year. Add twenty to twenty, and make money of that.

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
Let me see; twenty added to twenty, makes just fifty and seven.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
It's false, Mr. Hardcastle: I was but twenty when I was brought to bed of Tony, that I had by Mr. Lumpkin, my first husband; and he's not come to years of discretion yet.

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
Nor ever will, I dare answer for him. Ay, you have taught ''him'' finely.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
No matter, Tony Lumpkin has a good fortune. My son is not to live by his learning. I don't think a boy wants much learning to spend fifteen hundred a year.

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Learning, quotha! A mere composition of tricks and mischief.

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Humour, my dear: nothing but humour. Come, Mr. Hardcastle, you must allow the boy a little humour.

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I'd sooner allow him an horse-pond. If burning the footmen's shoes, frighting the maids, and worry­ing the kittens, be humour, he has it. It was but yesterday he fastened my wig to the back of my chair, and when I went to make a bow, I popt my bald head in Mrs. Frizzle's face.

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And am I to blame? The poor boy was always too sickly to do any good. A school would be his death. When he comes to be a little stronger, who knows what a year or two's Latin may do for him?

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
Latin for him! A cat and fiddle. No, no, the ale-house and the stable are the only schools he'll ever go to.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
Well, we must not snub the poor boy now, for I believe we shan't have him long among us. Any body that looks in his face may see he's consumptive.

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
Ay, if growing too fat be one of the symptoms.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
He coughs sometimes.

{{c|HARDCASTLE.}}
Yes, when his liquor goes the wrong way.

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I'm actually afraid of his lungs.

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{{c|''Enter'' {{sc|Tony}}, ''crossing the Stage''.}}
{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
Tony, where are you going, my charmer? Won't you give papa and I a little of your company, lovee?

{{c|TONY.}}
I'm in haste, mother, I cannot stay.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
You shan't venture out this raw evening, my dear: You look most shockingly.

{{c|TONY.}}
I can't stay, I tell you. The Three Pigeons expects me down every moment. There's some fun going for­ward.

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Ay; the ale-house, the old place: I thought so.

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A low, paltry set of fellows.

{{c|TONY.}}
Not so low neither. There's Dick Muggins the exciseman, Jack Slang the horse doctor, Little Ami­nadab that grinds the music box, and Tom Twist that spins the pewter platter.

{{c|Mrs. HARDCASTLE.}}
Pray, my dear, disappoint them for one night at least.

{{c|TONY.}}
As for disappointing ''them'', I should not so much mind; but I can't abide to disappoint ''myself''.

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(''Detaining him'') You shan't go.

{{c|TONY.}}
I will, I tell you.

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I stopped the old man's rising wrath by a laugh, and said: &quot;Well, ''you'' were not taught that way, at any rate, so you may let your anger run off you a little.&quot;

&quot;True, true,&quot; said he, smiling. &quot;I thank you for correcting my ill-temper: I always fancy myself as living in any period of which we may be speaking. But, however, to put it in a cooler way: you expected to see children thrust into schools when they had reached an age conventionally supposed to be the due age, whatever their varying faculties and dispositions might be, and when there, with like disregard to facts to be subjected to a certain conventional course of 'learning.' My friend, can't you see that such a proceeding means ignoring the fact of ''growth'', bodily and mental? No one could come out of such a mill uninjured; and those only would avoid being crushed by it who would have the spirit of rebellion strong in them. Fortunately most children have had that at all times, or I do not know that we should ever have reached our present position. Now you see what it all comes to. In the old times all this was the result of ''poverty''. In the nineteenth century, society was so miserably poor, owing to the systematised robbery on which it was founded, that real education was impossible for anybody. The whole theory of their socalled education was that it was necessary to shove a little information into a child, even if it were by means of torture, and accompanied by twaddle which it was well known was of no use, or else he would lack information lifelong: the hurry of poverty forbade anything else. All that is past; we are no longer hurried, and the information lies ready to each one's hand when his own inclinations impel him to seek it. In&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Yes,&quot; said I, &quot;but suppose the child, youth, man, never wants the information, never grows in the direction you might hope him to do: suppose, for instance, he objects to learning arithmetic or mathematics; you can't force him when he ''is'' grown; can't you force him while he is growing, and oughtn't you to do so?&quot;

&quot;Well,&quot; said he, &quot;were you forced to learn arithmetic and mathematics?&quot;

&quot;A little,&quot; said I.

&quot;And how old are you now?&quot;

&quot;Say fifty-six,&quot; said I.

&quot;And how much arithmetic and mathematics do you know now?&quot; quoth the old man, smiling rather mockingly.

Said I: &quot;None whatever, I am sorry to say.&quot;

Hammond laughed quietly, but made no other comment on my admission, and I dropped the subject of education, perceiving him to be hopeless on that side.

I thought a little, and said: &quot;You were speaking just now of households: that sounded to me a little like the customs of past times; I should have thought you would have lived more in public.&quot;

&quot;Phalangsteries, eh?&quot; said he. &quot;Well, we live as we like, and we like to live as a rule with certain house-mates that we have got used to. Remember, again, that poverty is extinct, and that the Fourierist phalangsteries and all their kind, as was but natural at the time, implied nothing but a refuge from mere destitution. Such a way of life as that, could only have been conceived of by people surrounded by the worst form of poverty. But you must understand therewith, that though separate households are the rule amongst us, and though they differ in their habits more or less, yet no door is shut to any good-tem-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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After a pause, I said: &quot;Your big towns, now; how about them? London, which—which I have read about as the modern Babylon of civilization, seems to have disappeared.&quot;

&quot;Well, well,&quot; said old Hammond, &quot;perhaps after all it is more like ancient Babylon now than the 'modern Babylon' of the nineteenth century was. But let that pass. After all, there is a good deal of population in places between here and Hammersmith; nor have you seen the most populous part of the town yet.&quot;

&quot;Tell me, then,&quot; said I, &quot;how is it towards the east?&quot;

Said he: &quot;Time was when if you mounted a good horse and rode straight away from my door here at a round trot for an hour and a half, you would still be in the thick of London, and the greater part of that would be 'slums,' as they were called; that is to say, places of torture for innocent men and women; or worse, stews for rearing and breeding men and women in such degradation that that torture should seem to them mere ordinary and natural life.&quot;

&quot;I know, I know,&quot; I said, rather impatiently. &quot;That was what was; tell me something of what is. Is any of that left?&quot;

&quot;Not an inch,&quot; said he; &quot;but some memory of it abides with us, and I am glad of it. Once a year, on May-day, we hold a solemn feast in those easterly communes of London to commemorate The Clearing of Misery, as it is called. On that day we have music and dancing, and merry games and happy feasting on&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Indeed,&quot; said I, &quot;it is difficult for me to think of it.&quot;

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&quot;Indeed,&quot; said I, &quot;it is difficult for me to think of it.&quot;

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The accompanying study was made as an interpretation of the New York Zoning Law in terms of this material. Basically, it is the same form as was developed on Page 79: but the mass is here simply carried farther by indication of the solids and voids which seemed practicable in concrete.

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      <text bytes="3077" sha1="jrvxafeg3k994kq528kwvfl6uwhef0y" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Qq1122qq&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;LET US RETURN to the parapet which provided us with our original bird's-eye view of the existing city. It is again dawn, with an early mist completely enveloping the scene. Again, there lies beneath us, curtained by the mist, a Metropolis—and the curtain, again, is about to rise. But, in this case, let us have it rise, not on the existing city, but on a city of the imagination. 

As the mists begin to disperse, there come into view, one by one, the summits of what must be quite lofty tower-buildings; in every direction the vistas are marked by these pinnacles as far as the eye can reach. It is apparent that this city, like those with which we had been previously familiar, contains very tall buildings and very many of them; indeed, we may assume, from their dimensions and their disposition over so wide an area, that here is an even greater center of population than anything we had hitherto known. 

At the same time, however, we are struck by certain peculiarities in the disposition of the towers now before us. In the first place, no two of them rise in close juxtaposition to each other; roughly calculated, they appear in no case to be less than half-a-mile apart. Also, there is a certain degree of regularity apparent in their disposal throughout; while they are not all precisely equidistant, and their relation does not suggest an absolutely rectangular checkerboard scheme, yet it is obvious that they have been located according to some city-wide plan. 

A little later, the general clearing of the scene allows us to check up our first impressions. The tower-buildings rise to a height of a thousand feet from the ground—in a few particular cases, yet higher. And we now see that they spring from very broad bases, as well: their foundations cover three or four city blocks. In the particular cases mentioned, they must cover six or eight blocks. 

Yet, in the wide districts which lie between these towers—and which make up by far the greater area of the city—the buildings are all comparatively low. They average six stories; that is to say, they are no higher than the width of the streets which they face. Looking directly down upon the roofs of these buildings, we distinguish a color which suggests the presence of an abundance of planting. 

The first confirmed impression of the city is thus of a wide plain, not lacking in vegetation, from which rise, at considerable intervals, towering mountain peaks. 

This arrangement does not, indeed, embody any zoning principle which is altogether strange to us; obviously the zoning laws of this city, in so far as they pertain to heights and volumes of buildings, are reminiscent of other laws, previously encountered, which permitted a tall tower only over a certain percentage of a given area. In this case, the minimum area which may contain a tower is simply greater and the percentage of that area which the tower may cover is smaller. And yet, although no novel or difficult legal conception is involved and although this disposition of greater towers at greater intervals indicates simp-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In the dull December light,
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When the weather is warm and bright—
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{{em}}The brooding swallows cling,
As if to show me their sunny backs,
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{{em}}A respite however brief!
No blessed leisure for love or hope,
{{em}}But only time for grief!
A little weeping would ease my heart,
{{em}}But in their briny bed
My tears must stop, for every drop
{{em}}Hinders needle and thread!&quot;

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The cities with which we were previously familiar may, in a given area, compare as to total cubic content with the city now below us. In other words, a great number of typical, fairly large skyscrapers, set in very close juxtaposition, may have the same total cube, and house the same population as a few tremendous towers set at wide intervals―with very low buildings in the intervening areas. 

In the former cases, however, the close juxtaposition of formidable masses—the monotonous repetition of similar bulks for block after city block—the close store of equally high façades across narrow streets, all combine to shut the human being away from air, light, and every pleasing prospect. In the city now below us the same cubic content is so disposed, and high masses so dispersed, that a more humane environment seems possible. 

Let us now note, in the particular disposition of the masses at present before us, a possible æsthetic gain (not forgetting however, what has already been indicated more than once, that the psychological aspect is of interest because of its practical results). The fact is that in the general run of cities, the tall individual skyscraper, however well designed can very seldom be individually seen. That is to say, juxtaposition is so close that only bits of the structure can be seen at one time by the pedestrian. Only by craning the neck does one see the whole of a tower; and then, of course, one sees only a ridiculous distortion. But in the city, now before us, each great mass is surrounded by a great spaciousness; here, we may assume, the citizen's habitual prospects are ample vistas. Without altering his upright posture, his glance may {{SIC|serenly|serenely}} traverse the vista and find at its end a dominating and upright pinnacle. 

{{***|4}}

Let us scrutinize the streets. The eye is caught by a system of broad avenues which must be two hundred feet wide and which are placed about half a mile apart. One notes that it is precisely at the intersections of these avenues that the tower buildings rise. We may conclude that here is a system of superhighways which carry the express traffic of the city and that the tower buildings are express stations for traffic. 

The half-mile-wide districts which are bounded by these highways are themselves traversed by streets of much lesser width—scarcely more than sixty feet; obviously. they are planned to carry only the traffic which is local to the district. 

On restudying these low-lying districts together with the occasional tower buildings, it appears that the latter are not to be compared simply to mountain formations which happen to have arisen, abruptly and at certain intervals, in a plain; rather, each tower seems to have a specific relation to the low-lying district which immediately surrounds it. The heights of the lesser buildings increase as they approach the central tower; each peak, so to speak, is surrounded by foothills. 

It would seem that each of these formations—each peak together with its slopes and contributory plain—forms a sort of unit. Those units may indicate that the city is zoned not only as to height but as to use (which, again, would be a familiar principle) and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A question arises, incidentally, as to these tower buildings. They are very tall, and cover enormous ground areas; each must house a multitudinous activity; each stands in a considerable isolation from other buildings of the same species; each dominates, and is, we may assume, the center of control of a particular district. Is the word &quot;building&quot; any longer sufficiently definitive? For the sake of simplicity, let us adopt for them the term &quot;center.&quot;

Looking off to the right from our parapet, we distinguish a group of these centers which seem larger than the rest. They stand together about a large open space; they seem to constitute a sort of nucleus of the city—perhaps they are its primary centers. Let us turn our binoculars in that direction.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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At this closer view we can distinguish in greater detail the characteristics of the tower-buildings. The tower itself rises directly over the intersection of two of the master highways to a height of 1200 feet. There are eight flanking towers, half this height, which, with their connecting wings, enclose four city blocks. The center extends, however, over eight adjoining blocks, where its supplementary parts rise to a height of twelve stories. 

We see, upon examining the Avenue, that more than one level for traffic is provided. Local wheel traffic is on the ground level; express traffic is depressed; pedestrians pass on a separate plane above. 

Beyond the center, the lower districts of the city are visible, together with the radial avenues which lead to the other tower-buildings of the Business district.

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group of primary centers, which originally drew our attention from our distant balcony.

We must now note that each of these centers dominates a very wide district;
that is to say, the city is divided into a Business zone, an Art zone and a Science zone.

Let us descend into the Business zone. This, naturally, is the largest of the
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We must now note that each of these centers dominates a very wide district; that is to say, the city is divided into a Business zone, an Art zone and a Science zone.

Let us descend into the Business zone. This, naturally, is the largest of the three districts. We find that its tower-buildings rise to greater heights; that they are closer together; and that the master highways have been developed for the maximum traffic.

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CONTEMPLATION.

Pub by R Ackermann London, 1826.

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Expressive of modern tendencies, this structure soars to great altitudes; if it has, at the same time, a slightly medieval cast, this is perhaps not altogether inexpressive of the institution which it domiciles. 

Even in the sharp perspective of the present view, one may surmise the presence of three outstanding towers—the two lesser being toward either end of the mass and the lofty central tower rising between. These stand, respectively, for the cardinal functions of this Christian host: one of the flanking towers houses the executive offices of the various Faiths: the other is more especially dedicated to their aspirational activities, or Hopes; in the third. which is the greatest of these, abide the Charities. 

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Since this tower seems to stand somewhat apart, let us give a moment to examining the particular elements of its design. 

In plan, it seems to show, at all levels, variations of a nine-pointed star—in other words of three superimposed triangles. Being planned, basically, on the equilateral triangle, the shaft rises—or, so to speak, grows—in what seem definite stages. For example, the vertical dimension from the top of the base up to the point where the vertical members break for the first time appears to bear a ratio to the dimension between this break and the break next above it, as well as to the total vertical dimension above the latter break. These three dimensions are to each other as three, one and three. (This could be actually measured, of course, only in a direct elevation and can be only inferred from this perspective presentation). 

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The real significance, if any, of a tower having, so to speak, a threefold plan and a sevenfold ascension, is obscure. And it is perhaps optimistic to say that here a number of separate parts aspire to be as one. In any case, this is the Center of Philosophy. 

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We cannot, however, but congratulate our readers on the success of our efforts to engage the co-operation of writers of eminence and talent in the task which we have undertaken: nor could we, without exposing ourselves to the charge of ingratitude, neglect thus publicly to express our deep obligations to all and each of our kind Contributors, for the valuable assistance which they have afforded to our exer-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In our last volume we had occasion to apologise for the absence of the conclusion of the Memoir of Ferdinand Franck, in consequence of the destruction of the manuscript. We intimated, at the same time, the probability of being furnished with another copy of it for the present year by the author; but, possessing nothing more than a few general notes from which to work up his subject a second time, he found that when finished, this last portion had extended to a length which rendered it impossible to insert the whole in a single volume, without sacrificing that variety which is deemed essential to the interest of our annual offering. Equally unwilling to disappoint the curiosity and fatigue the patience of the reader by a further division of that article, the Publisher has printed it in a separate form, as the best means of accommodating both those who possess the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We may first note, in this sketch plan. the black spots which indicate location of the tower-buildings, as well as the broad light lines of the main avenues; in short, the centers and the circulating system which connects them. 

Let us take as a point of departure, the structure which is upon the circumference of the central circle (which is letter &quot;1&quot; on the plan). This is the Business center of the city—that complex of buildings which was glimpsed on Pages 113 and 121. The circular area upon whose edge it stands is the principal open space of the city: the Civic Circle which, with its parks, playgrounds and areas for open-air gatherings and exhibitions, is the focal point to which the radial avenues lead. It is likewise the fountain-head of the waterways which distribute throughout the smaller parks of the city. 

The district which lies below the Business center as well as to the right and left of it—in other words, that whole third of the plan which is penetrated by the avenues radiating from this center—constitutes the Business zone of the city. Here, in close proximity to the center, are located, in tower-buildings, the headquarters of the various principal business activities and, grouped about them, the chief industrial sub-centers. 

At a distance of a mile or so from the Business center, the airports can be noted, located on the main radial avenues, as well as the beginning of the outlying residential districts. The latter appear as the shaded areas which are pointed toward the center of the city and which increase in width as they extend, fan-wise, outward. It is apparent that both the business zone and the residential districts which flank it may expand indefinitely away from the Civic Circle. Such expansion, however, must be along the radial lines which will, in all events, continue to relate added outlying districts to the center. 

Returning to the Civic Circle, we find indication of another large structure upon the circumference (lettered &quot;2&quot; on the plan). This is the Art center which was sketched on Page 115. As in the case of the Business zone, radial lines extend outward from this center, constituting the arterial system of the Art zone. Here are located the tower-buildings in which center such civic activities as the Drama, Music, Architecture and so on. 

The third structure upon the circumference of the Civic Circle is the Science center (lettered &quot;3&quot;) which, like the two former, occupies a dominating position in relation to the zone behind it. 

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As a matter of detail, we should find, if we followed the course of one of these circulating avenues such a progression as this: where it crosses the central radial avenue of the Art zone, there rises the structure which houses the Fine Arts; farther along the circumferential avenue, as it leads in the direction of the Business zone, we find, in turn, the headquarters of the Applied and Industrial arts. Similarly, had we moved in the opposite direction―toward the Science zone―we should find the structures which house the Liberal Arts, and, at the meeting of the two zones, the colleges of Art and Sciences. It is just at the meeting point, by the way, that we find the tower illustrated on Page 137. 

In other words, the Art zone is in direct contact, on the one hand, with the practical life of the city, and, on the other hand, with its scientific pursuits; and in it, presumably, the results of the latter two modes of activity are gathered and interpreted. 

We might also start from another point―the central radial avenue of the Science zone―whence, passing in the direction of the Business zone, we should encounter, in turn, the Pure Sciences, Technology, Engineering, and so on. However, let us not labor details but return again to the three major centers on the Civic Circle which first drew attention. 

It is at first glance somewhat puzzling to find that the two structures which are dedicated to arts and sciences are placed in positions as prominent as the Business center of the city. We must notice, moreover, that some very close affiliation between the three must have been really intended, since they are directly connected by the avenues which appear on the plan most prominently of all and which must have been calculated to carry a very large traffic between the three centers. 

Are we to imagine that this city is populated by human beings who value emotion and mind equally with the senses, and have therefore disposed their art, science and business centers in such a way that all three would participate equally in the government of the city? 

This might indeed seem a novel system of government. The plan indicates, at least, that the structures to house these activities exist, and that such a threefold system of government is regarded, in this city, as at least a potentiality: a potentiality which the citizens, whenever so moved, could fully actualize.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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R. Westall R.A. delt

THE CHILD'S DREAM.

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Let us only repeat, as we leave this parapet, what we said at the very outset. Architecture influences the lives of human beings. City dwellers react to the architectural forms and spaces which they encounter: specific consequences may be looked for in their thoughts, feelings and actions. Their response to Architecture is usually subconscious. Designers themselves are usually unconscious of the effects which their creations will produce. Nevertheless, we may look forward to some stirring of thought—perhaps even to some specific training—which will put a considerable body of students in command of the architectural influence. Our criterion for judging this self-conscious Architecture will be its effect on human values: its net contribution to the harmonious development of man. We hope that eventually it will not only adequately meet the demands of our physical welfare, but will also serve in actualizing whatever may be man's potentialities of emotional and mental well-being. 

Who, indeed, can specifically define these potentialities—and what architects can prepare contributory or evocative designs? It may well be that at the present moment there are none; nor will there be, until architects have begun to call into their draughting rooms the scientist, the psychologist. the philosopher... 

For the present, we shall have done well, if we have sketched, in any firm line, a really adequate objective for the general work of city planning. As for personal and specific proposals—the author well knows how many parapets, other than the one we are now leaving, overlook the imaginary &quot;Metropolis of Tomorrow&quot; and he shares the common belief that few of the many visualizations currently being formulated can contribute more than a particle to the ultimate actuality. Concerning the &quot;threefold city&quot; which has just been outlined, he has indeed but one word to add: 

A few years ago, he happened upon a rather curious inscription. The manuscript was partly mutilated; it may have been of quite ancient origin. Was it simply a curio? Or did it contain a clue? The author did not actually comprehend... yet he secured the copy which he now, at the last moment, includes—leaving it to whatever attention the chance reader may be inclined to give....&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Besides these coals there is an important basin of a better class of brown coals in the Clutha and Tokomairiro districts, as well as at Shag Point, in which several mines have been opened. Of these the Kaitangata Colliery is working a seam 30 feet thick; Eliott Vale, 20 feet; Eeal McKay 25 feet; and Bruce 12 feet 6 inches. At Shag Point the Shag Point Mine is being worked in a seam 7 feet in thickness. The superiority of these coals over that from Green Island appears to depend upon their having a solid compact roof instead of the loose running sands of the latter locality. Their average composition is—

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''Pitch Coals.''—The distinguishing characteristic of these coals is that they do not desiccate on exposure to the air to the same extent as the brown coals, besides which they, as a rule, contain a less proportion of water in combination. They are chiefly met with as seams which overlie the bituminous coals of the west coast of the South Island, where however they have only been worked in the Reefton district and at West Wanganui. They are again met with at Mokau in Taranaki, and at Whangarei. Some of the altered coals of the Malvern Hills, Canterbury, might also be classed with these coals, but since they represent various stages of change from brown coals to anthracites, it is best to group them together under the title of glance coals.

The pitch coals of the West Coast may be divided into those from West Wanganui, those from Inangahua, those from the Buller, and those from the Grey districts, of which only the two first have been worked. The seams vary from 2 feet to 10 feet in thickness, and the composition is as follows:—

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REALIZING, as the author does, how dubious a business is that of &quot;Prophecy&quot;, he at once disclaims any assumption of the prophet's robe. How are the cities of the future really going to look? Heaven only knows! Certainly the author has had no thought, while sketching these visualizations, that he had been vouchsafed any Vision. He will only claim that these studies are not entirely random shots in the dark, and that his foreshadowings and interpretations spring from something at least more trustworthy than personal phantasy. 

The fact is, these drawings have for the greater part been made in leisure moments during the fifteen years or so in which it has been the author's daily task to work, as Illustrator or Consulting Designer, on the typical buildings which our contemporary architectural firms are erecting, day by day, in the larger cities. He should not be charged with waywardness if he has sought, during this period, to discover some of the trends which underlie the vast miscellany of contemporary building, or wondered (in drawings) where these trends may possibly, or even probably, lead. And he may be indulged if he has occasionally stepped aside from the technical limitations of current work to freely imagine a &quot;Metropolis of Tomorrow&quot;—choosing, as his cues, those tendencies which seem, to him, best to promise the ultimate embodiment, in structural forms, of certain human values. 

This collection falls, accordingly, into three sections. In the first are pictured some of the more significant structures which already exist (or which are rising as this book goes to press) with many of which the cosmopolitan reader is already familiar. The names of the buildings and their designers are given; the group is presented as a matter-of-fact record of existing conditions. 

In the second section, a number of the principal trends, underlying and manifesting themselves in the existing situation, are isolated for a brief pictorial study. At the same time, consideration is given to proposals, now being offered by various experts and commonly discussed in the architectural field, for the development or modification of these trends. A visualization is presented of the cities which would come into existence were these trends, or these propositions, carried forward. 

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{{ppoem|{{sc|Alas}}, that e'er the moon should beam
{{em}}To shew what man should never see!
I saw a maiden on a stream,
{{em}}And fair was she.

I staid awhile to see her throw
{{em}}Her tresses back, that all beset
The fair horizon of her brow
{{em}}With locks of jet.

I staid a little while to view
{{em}}Her cheek, that wore, in place of red,
The bloom of water, tender blue,
{{em}}Daintily spread.

I staid to watch a little space,
{{em}}Her parted lips—if she would sing:
The waters closed above her face
{{em}}With many a ring.

And still I watch'd a little more—
{{em}}Alas! she never comes again;
I cast my flowers from the shore—
{{em}}But all in vain.

I know my life must wear away—
{{em}}I know that I must vainly pine;
For I am made of mortal clay—
{{em}}But she's divine!
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At Whangarei two mines are at present at work—viz., Kamo mine, in which there are two seams 4 feet to 4½ feet and 8 feet to 12 feet thick respectively; and the Whau Whau mine, in which the seam is from 5 feet to 9 feet thick; besides which outcrops of coal occur at Whareora 3 feet to 3 feet 6 inches thick; and at Hikurangi, ten miles from Whangarei, there are numerous outcrops of coal from 2 feet to 6 feet thick.

The average composition of these coals from a number of analyses is: —

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{{c|{{sc|Anhydrous Coals.}}}}

''Glance Coals.''—These, which are brown coals, altered variously in the vicinity of certain dykes and floes of dolerite, are only met with as workable seams in the Malvern Hills coalfield, where they occur as seams from 2 feet to 10 feet thick. They occur in all stages of change from brown coals to anthracites, and some of them might, with propriety, be classed under the subdivision of pitch coals, but since they all belong to a series, I have thought it better to group all that have undergone any degree of change under the present head, those in which the percentage of water is high being left with the brown coals. Some of these with a high percentage of water however, exhibit signs of change, the percentage of fixed carbon to hydro-carbon being large, as in the case of the seams at the Rakaia Gorge, already quoted. The following table of analyses shows how varied they are&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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His love was nobly born and died,
{{em}}Though all the rest was mean!

My speech is rude,—but speech is weak
{{em}}Such love as mine to tell,
Yet had I words, I dare not speak,
{{em}}So, lady, fare thee well;
I will not wish thy better state
{{em}}Was one of low degree,
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{{ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{sc|Alas}}, the moon should ever beam
{{em}}To show what man should never see!—
I saw a maiden on a stream,
{{em}}And fair was she.

I staid awhile to see her throw
{{em}}Her tresses back, that all beset
The fair horizon of her brow
{{em}}With clouds of jet.

I staid a little while to view
{{em}}Her cheek, that wore in place of red
The bloom of water, tender blue,
{{em}}Daintily spread.

I staid to watch, a little space,
{{em}}Her parted lips if she would sing:
The waters closed above her face
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His love was nobly born and died,
{{em}}Though all the rest was mean!

My speech is rude,—but speech is weak
{{em}}Such love as mine to tell,
Yet had I words, I dare not speak,
{{em}}So, lady, fare thee well;
I will not wish thy better state
{{em}}Was one of low degree,
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I saw a maiden on a stream,
{{em}}And fair was she.

I staid awhile to see her throw
{{em}}Her tresses back, that all beset
The fair horizon of her brow
{{em}}With clouds of jet.

I staid a little while to view
{{em}}Her cheek, that wore in place of red
The bloom of water, tender blue,
{{em}}Daintily spread.

I staid to watch, a little space,
{{em}}Her parted lips if she would sing:
The waters closed above her face
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{{em}}Alas! she never comes again!
I throw my flowers from the shore,
{{em}}And watch in vain.

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For I am made of mortal clay,
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{{em}}Will wing o'er the seas,
The wind that I sigh to
{{em}}Will visit thy trees,
The ship that it hastens
{{em}}Thy ports will contain,
But me—I must never
{{em}}See England again!

There's many that weep there,
{{em}}But one weeps alone,
For the tears that are falling
{{em}}So far from her own;
So far from thy own, love,
{{em}}We know not our pain;
If death is between us,
{{em}}Or only the main.

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{{em}}Will wing o'er the seas,
The wind that I sigh to
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The ship that it hastens
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But me—I must never
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{{em}}But one weeps alone,
For the tears that are falling
{{em}}So far from her own;
So far from thy own, love,
{{em}}We know not our pain;
If death is between us,
{{em}}Or only the main.

When the white cloud reclines
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{{em}}Alas! she never comes again!
I throw my flowers from the shore,
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{{em}}Will wing o'er the seas,
The wind that I sigh to
{{em}}Will visit thy trees,
The ship that it hastens
{{em}}Thy ports will contain,
But me—I must never
{{em}}See England again!

There's many that weep there,
{{em}}But one weeps alone,
For the tears that are falling
{{em}}So far from her own;
So far from thy own, love,
{{em}}We know not our pain;
If death is between us,
{{em}}Or only the main.

When the white cloud reclines
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I fancy the white cliffs,
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Ariminum,&lt;ref&gt;The Via Flaminia was probably undertaken by the censor Caius Flaminius, and finished by his son of the same name, who was consul {{sc|a.u.c.}} 566, and employed his soldiers in forming it after subduing the Ligurians. It led from the Flumentan gate, now the ''Porta del Popolo'', through Etruria and Umbria into the Cisalpine Gaul, ending at Ariminum, the frontier town of the territories of the republic, now Rimini, on the Adriatic; and is travelled by every tourist who takes the route, north of the Appenines, through the States of the Church, to Rome. Every one knows that the great highways, not only in Italy but in the provinces, were among the most magnificent and enduring works of the Roman people.&lt;/ref&gt; and distributed the repairs of the other roads amongst several persons who had obtained the honour of a triumph; to be defrayed out of the money arising from the spoils of war. Temples decayed by time, or destroyed by fire, he either repaired or rebuilt; and enriched them, as well as many others, with splendid offerings. On a single occasion, he deposited in the cell of the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus, sixteen thousand pounds of gold, with jewels and pearls to the amount of fifty millions of sesterces.

XXXI. The office of Pontifex Maximus, of which he could
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And would, though worlds should intervene.

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The further we are forced apart,
Affection's firm elastic links
But bind the closer round the heart.

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Alas! that nothing less could teach
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''Semibituminous Coals.''—The only coals of this class of which anything are those from the well-known Kawakawa colliery at the Bay of Islands, the output from which for the year 1881 was 50,277 tons, or about {{frac|7}} of the total quantity of coal raised in New Zealand during that year. The mine is worked in a seam which is from 4 feet to 15 feet thick, and the coal has an average composition of—

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It varies a good deal in its physical characters, being sometimes exceedingly hard and at others quite soft, but the composition is moderately constant. It is an excellent steam coal, and is largely used on the coasting steamers.

The same class of coal also occurs at Preservation Inlet in Otago, where it is found in thin impure seams, having the following average composition:—

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{no_sc_here}If you want to know yourself
you've got to keep up with yourself.
Your self moves on, and is not to-day what it was yesterday;
and you've got to run, to keep up with it.

But sometimes we run ahead too fast
running after a figment of ourselves.
And that's what we've done to-day.

We think we're such clever little johnnies
with our sharp little eyes and our high-power machines
which get us ahead so much faster than our feet could ever carry us.

When alas, it's only part of our clever little self that gets ahead!
Something is left behind, lost and howling, and we know it.

Ah, clever Odysseus who outwitted the cyclop
and blinded him in his one big eye,
put out a light of consciousness and left a blinded brute.
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Clever little ants in spectacles, we are,
performing our antics.

But what we also are, and we need to know it
is blinded brutes of cyclops, with our cyclopean eye put out.

And we still bleed, and we grope and roar;
for spectacles and bulging clever ant-eyes are no good to the cyclop,
he wants his one great wondering eye, the eye of the cavern and the portent.

As little social ants perhaps we function all right.
But oh, our human lives, the lunging blind cyclops we are!
hitting ourselves against unseen rock, crashing our head against the roof
of the ancient cave, smashing into one another,
tearing each other's feelings, trampling each other's tenderest emotions to mud
and never knowing what we are doing, roaring blind with pain and dismay.

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with their bulging policeman's-lamp eyes.
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You need your own great wondering eye that flashes with instinct in the cavern
and gleams on the world with the warm dark vision of intuition!

Even our brilliantest young intellectuals
are also poor blind cyclops, moaning
with all the hurt to their instinctive and emotional selves,
and grieving with puppy-like blind crying
over their mutilated cyclopean eye.
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{{tpp|WHAT IS A MAN WITHOUT AN INCOME?—|
What is man without an income?
—Well, let him get on the dole!

Dole, dole, dole
hole, hole, hole
soul, soul, soul—

What is man without an income?
Answer without a rigmarole.
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On the dole, dole, dole
he's a hole, hole, hole
in the nation's pocket.

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He's got a soul, soul, soul
but the coal, coal, coal
on the whole, whole, whole
doesn't pay,
so the dole, dole, dole's
the only way.

And on the dole, dole, dole
a man's a hole, hole, hole
in the nation's pocket,
and his soul, soul, soul
won't stop a hole, hole, hole
though his ashes might.

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Immortal Cæsar dead and turned to clay
would stop a hole to keep the wind away.

But a man without a job
isn't even as good as a gob
of clay.
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{{tpp|CANVASSING FOR THE ELECTION|
—Excuse me, but are you a superior person?
—I beg your pardon?
—Oh, I'm sure you'll understand. We're making a census of all the ''really'' patriotic people—the right sort of people, you know—of course you understand what I mean—so ''would'' you mind giving me your word?—and signing here, please—that you ''are'' a superior person—that's all we need to know—
—Really, I don't know what you take me for!
—Yes, I know! It's too bad! Of course it's perfectly superfluous to ask, but the League insists. Thank you so much! No, sign here, please, and there I countersign. That's right! Yes, that's all!—''I declare I am a superior person''—. Yes, exactly! and here I countersign your declaration. It's so simple, and really, it's ''all'' we need to know about anybody. And do you know, I've never been denied a signature!
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{{tpp|ALTERCATION|
Now look here,
if you were really superior,
''really'' superior,
you'd have money, and you know it!

''Well what about it?''

What about it?
what about it?
why, isn't it obvious?
Here you are, with no money,
and here am I, paying income tax and god-knows-what taxes
just to support you and find you money,
and you stand there and expect me to treat you like an equal!—
Whereas, let me tell you, if you ''were'' my equal
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|ALTERCATION|
Now look here,
if you were really superior,
''really'' superior,
you'd have money, and you know it!

''Well what abaht it?''

What about it?
what about it?
why, isn't it obvious?
Here you are, with no money,
and here am I, paying income tax and god-knows-what taxes
just to support you and find you money,
and you stand there and expect me to treat you like an equal!—
Whereas, let me tell you, if you ''were'' my equal
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Then her age; she has passed the season of youth, of summer perhaps, and is verging upon autumn. A rich, mellow autumn, an autumn full of gorgeous tints, an autumn whose forest leaves turn to scarlet and gold without withering, an autumn that makes one think the spring-time could hardly have been so beautiful. True, the dewy, evanescent, morning freshness is gone, but in its place reigns the more lasting, self-renewed freshness of mental and physical vigor. In a word, Miriam has reached and passed the green ascent of thirty-five, and is calmly descending the verdant slope beyond. But life has been all gain to her; she has gathered fruits of knowledge, and flowers of beauty, and herbs of balm on the way, and lost nothing she does not think it well to part with, in exchange.

We have seldom met with an old maid, upon the pages of whose early history there was not some love tale inscribed, some story of unrequited affection, of betrayed hopes, of love sacrificed to duty, or, of the grave's untimely snatching away. But, strange to say, there is no love-tale written upon Miriam's book of life. She could never have been numbered among that large class of maidens who, according to [[The History of Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia|Rasselas]], &quot;[[The History of Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia/XXV#ClergymansWifep83|think they are in love, when in fact they are only idle.]]&quot; Her&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''Chanya'', Above.

''Chau'', The dry season.

''Chechena'', ''kwasama chechena'', ''ku-'', To grin and show the teeth.

''Chejela'', ''ku-'', v. n. To redden, become red. (pf. ''njejele'').

''Chejesya'', ''ku-'', v. a. To dye red.

''-chejeu'', adj. Red, brown.

''Cheka'', ''ku-'', v. a. To cut as with a saw.

''-chekulu'', adj. Old.

''Chela ku-'', v. a. ''1''. To clean (cotton) from the seeds. ''2''. to castrate. (pf. ''njesile'').

''Chelela'', ''ku-'', v. a. To hollow out.

''Chelenga'', ''ku-'', v. n. To go fast, hasten, (pf. ''njelenjile'').

''Chelwa'', ''ku-'', v. n. To be late.

''Chenga ku-'', v. n. To dazzle.

''Chengulamya'', ''ku-'', v. a. To stop a quarrel.

''Chenje'', n. s. The hair on the body.

''Chenjela'', ''ku-'', v. a. To make peace. (pf. ''nejenjele'').

''Chenjele'', n. s. The blade of a knife.

''Chenjelesya'', ''ku-'', v. a. To reconcile. (pf. ''njenjelesye'').

''Chenjerere'', n. s. Threads of soot which hang from the roof in houses.

''Chenuka'', ''ku-'', v. n. To become ripe and dry, as seeds or fruit.

''Chengolanya'', ''ku-'', v. a. To make peace.

''Chepemba'', n. s. Great hunger or thirst.

''Cherereka'', ''ku-'', v. n. To be late.

''Chereweka'', ''ku-'', v. a. To call away, draw away the attention.

''Cheseka'', ''ku-'', v. n. To be without hair on the eyelids.

''Chesula'', ''ku-'', v. a. To dye.

''Chesuka'', ''ku-'', v. n. To ferment''; ichiswiche'', it has fermented.

''Chesya'', ''ku-'', v. n. To stay the whole night.

''Chete'', n. s. Silence.

''Chi'', Expresses kind, prefixed to the name of the sort, e. g. the ''Yao'' sort, ''chiyao''; the coast sort, ''chinasala'', ''nyumba sya chinasala'', Houses of the sort built on the coast.

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But if Miriam unconsciously admits that love is a &quot;grand necessity&quot; of existence, she feels that existence has other necessities. To bestow her heart, her judgment must approve the gift, and she has not encountered the being (though doubtless such exists) who could win the one with the approval of the other. This is the sole secret of her freedom.

Had Miriam been thrown upon her own resources to gain a livelihood, her energy of character, and her delight in use, would have impelled her to fill and dignify some of the few intellectual avocations which woman's hands and brains are allowed to grace. Her birth and wealth forbid, yet the current of life, with such an organization, can never become stagnant. Occupation is enjoyment.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But if Miriam unconsciously admits that love is a &quot;grand necessity&quot; of existence, she feels that existence has other necessities. To bestow her heart, her judgment must approve the gift, and she has not encountered the being (though doubtless such exists) who could win the one with the approval of the other. This is the sole secret of her freedom.

Had Miriam been thrown upon her own resources to gain a livelihood, her energy of character, and her delight in use, would have impelled her to fill and dignify some of the few intellectual avocations which woman's hands and brains are allowed to grace. Her birth and wealth forbid, yet the current of life, with such an organization, can never become stagnant. Occupation is enjoyment.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But if Miriam unconsciously admits that love is a &quot;grand necessity&quot; of existence, she feels that existence has other necessities. To bestow her heart, her judgment must approve the gift, and she has not encountered the being (though doubtless such exists) who could win the one with the approval of the other. This is the sole secret of her freedom.

Had Miriam been thrown upon her own resources to gain a livelihood, her energy of character, and her delight in use, would have impelled her to fill and dignify some of the few intellectual avocations which woman's hands and brains are allowed to grace. Her birth and wealth forbid, yet the current of life, with such an organization, can never become stagnant. Occupation is enjoyment.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;the unborn babe has written within it the law of a beard and a hoary head. For the whole body and the load of future years are already traced in delicate and obscure outlines in its constitution.’  Further, with regard to the hereditary transmission of diseases and deformities: that some persons are more prone than others to suffer special forms of disease, which, upon investigation, may be ascertained to have affected one or other of their parents, and...</comment>
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beard and a hoary head. For the whole body and
the load of future years are already traced in
delicate and obscure outlines in its constitution.’

Further, with regard to the hereditary transmission of diseases and deformities: that some
persons are more prone than others to suffer special
forms of disease, which, upon investigation, may be
ascertained to have affected one or other of their
parents, and this possibly through several generations, is a circumstance now so well known and
cenerally acknowledged, that it has come to form
an important basis of calculation with insurance
societies when estimating the probable duration of
human life in given cases. But most writers upon
this subject, which is commonly spoken of by the
not very correct title of the ‘hereditary transmission
of disease,’ since all that we can certainly affirm of
it is that the tendency is transmitted, have hitherto
taken little or no notice of its sexual limitation.
Detached cases exemplifying this remarkable cireumstance have been from time to time recorded,
and the matter may have received a passing notice
from a few authors. Moreover, it had been long
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sometimes through many generations ; but no one
appears to have taken up the subject as one
deserving of systematic inquiry regarding both
diseases and malformations, until Dr. Prosper Lucas
and Mr. Sedewick brought together numerous
eases, with a view to illustrate this peculiar limitation. egarding diseases, the cases collected are
chiefly illustrative of the mode in which a tendency
to phthisis, asthma, gout, hemorrhage, insanity,
cutaneous and many other affections, are handed
down from progenitors similarly affected, and are
thus limited in their lines of transmission. But
the inquiry, when extended to certain peculiarities
or defects, such as the general colour of the skin,
colour or form of the iris, defects in the organs
of vision or hearing, colour-blindness, arrests of
development, congenital deficiencies of fingers and
toes, or the webbing of these, or the opposite condition, viz. supernumerary digits (polydactylism),
affords results tending more or less in the same
direction, as furnishing examples of a sexual
limitation in atavic descent.

The ceneral conelusions at which Mr. Sedewick
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With such thoughts ever quickening her to action, Miriam takes a lively, never failing interest in all things around her. No fellow-creature is indifferent to her. She regards all with a tender sympathy, a sympathy which breaks unaware through cold conventionalities, and fraternizes&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;arrives, after a careful analysis of his cases, are, that sexual limitation in the transmission of disease is more common in the male than in the female; that such a limitation may affect either the development or the transmission of a given disease ; and these two conditions are often antagonistic to each other, as in those cases where the appearance of the malformation or disease is strictly limited to the males, its fransmission being quite as strictl...</comment>
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that sexual limitation in the transmission of disease
is more common in the male than in the female;
that such a limitation may affect either the development or the transmission of a given disease ;
and these two conditions are often antagonistic to
each other, as in those cases where the appearance
of the malformation or disease is strictly limited to
the males, its fransmission being quite as strictly
limited to the female sex, occasioning the phenomenon of double atavism, as where neither sons nor
daughters ever inherit their father’s diseases, but
only the grandsons in the third and fifth generations, by transmission through the females of the
second and fourth generations.

This part of the subject has been very fully discussed by Dr. Prosper Lucas, and also, under the
title of prepotency in the transmission of character,
by Mr. Darwin. But it becomes extremely complicated on account of this prepotency being found
to run now more strongly in one sex than im the
other, and again equally in both sexes ; while
further complications appear to arise on account of
the secondary sexual characters. The greater part
of those, however, who have taken up this subject,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;agree in this, that peculiarities first appearing in either sex, though not in any way necessarily or invariably connected with that sex, strongly tend to be inherited by the offspring of the same sex, but are often transmitted in a latent state through the opposite sex,  It would doubtless, therefore, very much aid our comprehension of this difficult subject of a sexual imitation of disease, if we could arrive at a more complete knowledge of the causes...</comment>
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either sex, though not in any way necessarily or
invariably connected with that sex, strongly tend
to be inherited by the offspring of the same sex,
but are often transmitted in a latent state through
the opposite sex,

It would doubtless, therefore, very much aid our
comprehension of this difficult subject of a sexual
imitation of disease, if we could arrive at a more
complete knowledge of the causes which primarily
determine the division of sex into male and female,
and that according to certain definite proportions; as well as of those conditions which in 80
remarkable a manner oceasionally disturb that
proportion.

In the English edition af Blumenbach’s Institu-
ons of Physiology, which appeared just fifty years
ago, the following note by the translator will be
found: ‘Sir Everard Home has published a singular hypothesis. He suggests that the sex is not
determined at the first formation of the individual,
but that the parts of generation are originally so
situated, and of such a nature, that they are capable
of becoming either male or female organs when the
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And yet, though their companionship is so unsatisfactory, these sensitive spirits are almost always rich in lovable attributes; their sympathies are quick, so quick, alas! that they are often wasted; their affections are ardent, so ardent that they are too readily excited and too easily betrayed; they are delicate instruments, Æolian harps, from which even a passing wind can draw forth strains of tender or mournful melody. But this lamentable sensitiveness is not the evidence of weak minds, nor of dwarfed intellects. Full-statured souls, lavishly dowered, have ever been the most vulnerable to petty arrows—arrows which, though hurled by despicable hands, have fallen with the violence of thunder-bolts upon these finely moulded and receptive natures. Sensitiveness is often the handmaiden of Genius, and gives sweetness to the world's approval, even as it imparts poison to the dispraise of fools; lending to both a fictitious value and an undue power.

It is fabled that when the bosom of the nightingale is pressed against a thorn she sings most melodiously; and often it is the poet's susceptibility to suffering, his very crisis of pain, that becomes his inspiration; his most glorious songs gush forth with the crucifixion groan; his brightest flowers&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;of thought are tinged with heart's blood. Even his most charming sports of fancy have been pro- duced under the writhing of such mental agony as only sensitive spirits are capable of experiencing. We all know that Hood, the prince of humorists, convulsed the world with laughter when he was tortured by the deepest melancholy, and that Cow- per's mirth-provoking John Gilpin was produced under a state of dejection that bordered on insani- ty. He, himself, c...</comment>
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his most charming sports of fancy have been pro-
duced under the writhing of such mental agony as
only sensitive spirits are capable of experiencing.
We all know that Hood, the prince of humorists,
convulsed the world with laughter when he was
tortured by the deepest melancholy, and that Cow-
per's mirth-provoking John Gilpin was produced
under a state of dejection that bordered on insani-
ty. He, himself, compares the entrance of that
poem into his brain, to a harlequin intruding him-
self into the gloomy chamber occupied by a corpse.

One sensitiveness of great minds has always been
inexplicable to us: the sensitiveness to censure.
Censure which pierced the heart of the philo-
sophic Newton; which slew Racine and Keats;
which drove the Italian Tasso and the English
Collins mad. Alas! how could they have forgot-
ten that only insignificance escapes condemnation;
that he who outstrips others in ascending the hill
of Fame, becomes the most tempting target to be
shot at by every puny archer beneath.

And in these days, as in those of Keats and Col-
lins, noble minds groan and writhe under the lash
of rebuke, often lifted by unworthy hands, by Mal-
ice, by Envy, by Revenge. And the more appar-
ent the sensitiveness of the great, the more fre-
quently and violently they are assailed. Better
far to cover Sensibility with the armor of Tact,
and conquer Censure as Julius Cæsar did of old.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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One sensitiveness of great minds has always been inexplicable to us: the sensitiveness to censure. Censure which pierced the heart of the philosophic [[Author:Isaac Newton|Newton]]; which slew [[Author:Jean Racine|Racine]] and [[Author:John Keats|Keats]]; which drove the Italian [[Author:Torquato Tasso|Tasso]] and the English [[Author:William Collins (1721-1759)|Collins]] mad. Alas! how could they have forgotten that only insignificance escapes condemnation; that he who outstrips others in ascending the hill of Fame, becomes the most tempting target to be shot at by every puny archer beneath.

And in these days, as in those of Keats and Collins, noble minds groan and writhe under the lash of rebuke, often lifted by unworthy hands, by Malice, by Envy, by Revenge. And the more apparent the sensitiveness of the great, the more frequently and violently they are assailed. Better far to cover Sensibility with the armor of Tact, and conquer Censure as Julius Cæsar did of old.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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and to cuauge inte beimgs net yet animated, but simply
vital.

‘M. do Buffon, enamoured of his organic molecules,
thinks he finds them in the vermicul:; and from a long
detail of experiments and observations, endeavours to
establish his theory upon the ruins of that of Lewenhoek.

‘Whe could imagine that so many disputes, and snech
opposition of sentiment, would arise upon a matter of
fact F ’—Spallanzani, Tracts on the Nature of Animals and
Vegetables, 1799.

The original letter of Lewenhoeck,* bearing date
November 1677, and announcing his discovery of the
Spermatozoa, will be found in ‘ Phil. Trans.,’ Vol. XIL, of
that year. Three-quarters of a century later, Dr. Parsons,
Foreign Secretary to this Society, believed it to be
‘extreme nonsense to imagine that the msignificant
animals, called spermatic animals, can contribute any-
thing towards propagation.’ And even in far more
recent times their existence has been denied in the
most positive manner, as by Sir Hverard Home, in his
Lectures on Comparative Anatomy, Vol. V., 1828,

Note (0), page 21.

Tue accompanying illustration, designed, apparently,
to represent threc stages im the development of the
spermatozoon, is a fac-simile of that which will be found

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Wouldst thou, possessor of a flock, employ
(Apprised that he is such) a careless hoy,
And feed him well, and give him handsome pay,
Merely to sleep, and let them run astray?
Survey our schools and colleges, and see
A sight not much unlike my simile. {{pline|910|r}}
From education, as the leading cause,
The public character its colour draws;
Thence the prevailing manners take their cast,
Extravagant or sober, loose or chaste.
And though I would not advertise them yet,
Nor write on each—&quot;''This building to be let'',&quot;
Unless the world were all prepared to embrace
A plan well worthy to supply their place;
Yet, backward as they are, and long have been,
To cultivate and keep the {{sc|morals}} clean, {{pline|920|r}}
(Forgive the crime) I wish them, I confess,
Or better managed, or encouraged less.}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;{{c|{{larger|THE DIVERTING HISTORY}}

{{sm|OF}}

{{x-larger|JOHN GILPIN:}}

{{asc|SHOWING HOW HE WENT FARTHER THAN HE INTENDED AND CAME SAFE HOME AGAIN.}}}}
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|start=open|end=stanza|{{sc|John Gilpin}} was a citizen
{{em}}Of credit and renown,
A train-band captain eke was he
{{em}}Of famous London town.

John Gilpin's spouse said to her dear,
{{em}}Though wedded we have been
These twice ten tedious years, yet we
{{em}}No holiday have seen.

&quot;To-morrow is our wedding-day,
{{em}}And we will then repair
Unto the Bell at Edmonton,
{{em}}All in a chaise and pair.

&quot;My sister, and my sister's child,
{{em}}Myself, and children three,
Will fill the chaise; so you must ride
{{em}}On horseback after we.&quot;

He soon replied, &quot;I do admire
{{em}}Of womankind but one,
And you are she, my dearest dear,
{{em}}Therefore it shall be done.

&quot;I am a linen-draper bold,
{{em}}As all the world doth know,
And my good friend the calender
{{em}}Will lend his horse to go.&quot;

Quoth Mrs. Gilpin, &quot;That's well said;
{{em}}And for that wine is dear,
We will be furnished with our own,
{{em}}Which is both bright and clear.&quot;

John Gilpin kissed his loving wife;
{{em}}O'erjoyed was he to find,
That though on pleasure she was bent,
{{em}}She had a frugal mind.}}&lt;section end=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{hi/s|1em}}{{italic block|&lt;/noinclude&gt;of the fourth class.

''Chi-'', The adjectival prefix, singular, agreeing with a substantive of the fourth class.

''-chi-'', The objective verbal prefix, singular, denoting a Substantive of the fourth class.

''Chibuluri'', Arabic.

''Chichi?'' What?

''Chichileko'', n. s. Anything strained through a sieve?

''Chidulo'', n. s. Anything strained through a sieve into a basin or plate.

''Chiduswa'', n. s. A bit of anything.

''Chifunde'', n. s. Beer or food when stale.

''Chigajigaji'', n. s. A rent sewn with thread.

''Chigamba'', n. s. A patch.

''Chigasa'', n. s. The palm of the hand.

''Chigono'', n. s. A sleeping place in a journey.

''Chigogo'', n. s. ''1''. Nausea, ''2''. great forgetfulness (as in forgetting ones work and thinking of something else).

''Chigonele'', (He is) in bed, ''(ali) chigonele''.

''Chigoti'', n. s. A switch for beating people.

''Chigugumusi'', n. s. Stammering, stuttering.

''Chigula'', n. s. Instinct, prudence.

''Chiguluka'', A fibre used for making string.

''Chigulukwanda'', n. s. A lizard.

''Chigumuchile'', n. s. A landslip.

''Chigungumila'', A rumbling indistinct sound.

''Chigunuka ku-'', v. n. To become level.

''Chigwagwa'', n. s. A mocker (one who hears what is said and makes fun of it to others), one who laughs at everything.

''Chigwedeka ku-'', v. n. To be shaken.

''Chigwembele'', One who {{SIC|annot|cannot}} work.

''Chigwiri'', n. s. A short stump left of a hoe or axe.

''Chiiga'', n. s. A hind limb.

''Chiija'', n. s. A swelling.

''Chiilu'', n. s. A body.

''Chiimbundi'', n. s. A grass fence.

''Chijani'', n. s. A running.

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{{em}}But yet was not allowed
To drive up to the door, lest all
{{em}}Should say that she was proud.

So three doors off the chaise was stayed,
{{em}}Where they did all get in;
Six precious souls, and all agog
{{em}}To dash through thick and thin.

Smack went the whip, round went the wheels,
{{em}}Were never folk so glad,
The stones did rattle underneath,
{{em}}As if Cheapside were mad.

John Gilpin at his horse's side
{{em}}Seized fast the flowing mane,
And up he got, in haste to ride,
{{em}}But soon came down again;

For saddle-tree scarce reached had he,
{{em}}His journey to begin,
When, turning round his head, he saw
{{em}}Three customers come in.

So down he came; for loss of time,
{{em}}Although it grieved him sore,
Yet loss of pence, full well he knew,
{{em}}Would trouble him much more.

'Twas long before the customers
{{em}}Were suited to their mind,
When Betty screaming came down stairs,
{{em}}&quot;The wine is left behind!&quot;

&quot;Good lack!&quot; quoth he—&quot;yet bring it me,
{{em}}My leathern belt likewise,
In which I bear my trusty sword,
{{em}}When I do exercise.&quot;

Now Mistress Gilpin (careful soul!)
{{em}}Had two stone bottles found,
To hold the liquor that she loved,
{{em}}And keep it safe and sound.

Each bottle had a curling ear,
{{em}}Through which the belt he drew,
And hung a bottle on each side,
{{em}}To make his balance true.

Then over all, that he might be
{{em}}Equipped from top to toe,
His long red cloak, well brushed and neat,
{{em}}He manfully did throw.

Now see him mounted once again
{{em}}Upon his nimble steed,
Full slowly pacing o'er the stones,
{{em}}With caution and good heed.

But finding soon a smoother road
{{em}}Beneath his well-shod feet,
The snorting beast began to trot,
{{em}}Which galled him in his seat.

So, &quot;Fair and softly,&quot; John he cried,
{{em}}But John he cried in vain;
That trot became a gallop soon,
{{em}}In spite of curb and rein.

So stooping down, as needs he must
{{em}}Who cannot sit upright,
He grasped the mane with both his hands,
{{em}}And eke with all his might.

His horse, who never in that sort
{{em}}Had handled been before,
What thing upon his back had got
{{em}}Did wonder more and more.

Away went Gilpin, neck or nought;
{{em}}Away went hat and wig;
He little dreamt, when he set out,
{{em}}Of running such a rig.

The wind did blow, the cloak did fly,
{{em}}Like streamer long and gay,
Till, loop and button failing both,
{{em}}At last it flew away.

Then might all people well discern
{{em}}The bottles he had slung;
A bottle swinging at each side,
{{em}}As hath been said or sung.

The dogs did bark, the children screamed,
{{em}}Up flew the windows all;
And every soul cried out, &quot;Well done!&quot;
{{em}}As loud as he could bawl.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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 | section    = Hell's Half-Acre
 | previous   = [[../Chapter 19/]]
 | next       = [[../Chapter 21/]]
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XXXIII. He was himself assiduous in his functions as a judge, and would sometimes prolong his sittings even into the night:&lt;ref&gt;Causes are mentioned, the hearing of which was so protracted that lights were required in the court; and sometimes they lasted, we are told, as long as eleven or twelve days.&lt;/ref&gt; if he were indisposed, his litter was placed before
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{{em}}His fame soon spread around;
&quot;He carries weight!&quot; &quot;He rides a race!&quot;
{{em}}'Tis for a thousand pound!&quot;

And still, as fast as he drew near,
{{em}}'Twas wonderful to view,
How in a trice the turnpike-men
{{em}}Their gates wide open threw.

And now, as he went bowing down
{{em}}His recking head full low,
The battles twain behind his back
{{em}}Were shattered at a blow.

Down ran the wine into the road,
{{em}}Most piteous to be seen,
Which made his horse's flanks to smoke
{{em}}As they had basted been.

But still he seemed to carry weight,
{{em}}With leather girdle braced;
For all might see the bottle-necks
{{em}}Still dangling at his waist.

Thus all through merry Islington
{{em}}These gambols he did play,
Until he came unto the Wash
{{em}}Of Edmonton so gay;

And there he threw the Wash about
{{em}}On both sides of the way,
Just like unto a trundling mop,
{{em}}Or a wild goose at play.

At Edmonton his loving wife
{{em}}From the balcony spied
Her tender husband, wondering much
{{em}}To see how he did ride.

Stop, stop, John Gilpin!—Here's the house!&quot;
{{em}}They all at once did cry;
&quot;The dinner waits, and we are tired;&quot;—
{{em}}Said Gilpin—&quot;So am I!&quot;

But yet his horse was not a whit
{{em}}Inclined to tarry there!
For why?—his owner had a house
{{em}}Full ten miles off, at Ware

So like an arrow swift he flew,
{{em}}Shot by an archer strong;
So did he fly—which brings me to
{{em}}The middle of my song.

Away went Gilpin, out of breath,
{{em}}And sore against his will,
Till at his friend the calender's
{{em}}His horse at last stood still.

The calender, amazed to see
{{em}}His neighbour in such trim,
Laid down his pipe, flew to the gate,
{{em}}And thus accosted him:

&quot;What news? what news? your tidings tell;
{{em}}Tell me you must and shall—
Say why bareheaded you are come,
{{em}}&quot;Or why you come at all?&quot;

Now Gilpin had a pleasant wit,
{{em}}And loved a timely joke;
And thus unto the calender
{{em}}In merry guise he spoke:

&quot;I came because your horse would come,
{{em}}And, if I well forebode,
My hat and wig will soon be here,—
{{em}}They are upon the road.&quot;

The calender, right glad to find
{{em}}His friend in merry pin,
Returned him not a single word,
{{em}}But to the house went in;

Whence straight he came with hat and wig;
{{em}}A wig that flowed behind,
A hat not much the worse for wear,
{{em}}Each comely in its kind.

He held them up, and in his turn
{{em}}Thus showed his ready wit,
&quot;My head is twice as big as yours,
{{em}}They therefore needs must fit.

&quot;But let me scrape the dirt away
{{em}}That hangs upon your face;
And stop and eat, for well you may
{{em}}Be in a hungry case.&quot;}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}And all the world would stare,
If wife should dine at Edmonton,
{{em}}And I should dine at Ware.&quot;

So turning to his horse, he said,
{{em}}&quot;I am in haste to dine;
'Twas for your pleasure you came here,
{{em}}You shall go back for mine.&quot;

Ah, luckless speech, and bootless boast!
{{em}}For which he paid full dear;
For, while he spake, a braying ass
{{em}}Did sing most loud and clear;

Whereat his horse did snort, as he
{{em}}Had heard a lion roar,
And galloped off with all his might,
{{em}}As he had done before.

Away went Gilpin, and away
{{em}}Went Gilpin's hat and wig:
He lost them sooner than at first;
{{em}}For why?—they were too big.

Now Mistress Gilpin, when she saw
{{em}}Her husband posting down
Into the country far away,
{{em}}She pulled out half-a-crown;

And thus unto the youth she said
{{em}}That drove them to the Bell,
&quot;This shall be yours, when you bring back
{{em}}My husband safe and well.&quot;

The youth did ride, and soon did meet
{{em}}John coming back amain:
Whom in a trice he tried to stop,
{{em}}By catching at his rein;

But not performing what he meant,
{{em}}And gladly would have done,
The frighted steed he frighted more,
{{em}}And made him faster run.

Away went Gilpin, and away
{{em}}Went postboy at his heels,
The postboy's horse right glad to miss
{{em}}The lumbering of the wheels.

Six gentlemen upon the road,
{{em}}Thus seeing Gilpin fly,
With postboy scampering in the rear,
{{em}}They raised the hue and cry:

&quot;Stop thief! stop thief!—a highwayman!&quot;
{{em}}Not one of them was mute;
And all and each that passed that way
{{em}}Did join in the pursuit.

And now the turnpike gates again
{{em}}Flew open in short space;
The toll-men thinking, as before,
{{em}}That Gilpin rode a race.

And so he did, and won it too,
{{em}}For he got first to town;
Nor stopped till where he had got up
{{em}}He did again get down.

Now let us sing, Long live the king!
{{em}}And Gilpin, long live he!
And when he next doth ride abroad
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XXXIV. Some laws he abrogated, and he made some new ones; such as the sumptuary law, that relating to adultery and the violation of chastity, the law against bribery in elections, and likewise that for the encouragement of marriage. Having been more severe in his reform of this law than the rest, he found the people utterly averse to submit to it, unless the penalties were abolished or mitigated, besides allowing an interval of three years after a wife's death, and increasing the premiums on marriage. The equestrian order clamoured loudly, at a spectacle in the theatre, for its total repeal; whereupon he sent for the children of Germanicus, and shewed them partly sitting upon his own lap, and partly on their father's; intimating by his looks and gestures, that they ought not to think it a grievance to follow the example of that young man. But finding that the force of the law was eluded, by marrying girls under the age of puberty, and by frequent change of wives, he limited the time for consummation after espousals, and imposed restrictions on divorce.

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XXXVI. He also made several other alterations in the management of public affairs, among which were these following: that the acts of the senate should not be published;&lt;ref&gt;Julius Cæsar had introduced the contrary practice. See {{sc|Julius}}, c. xx.&lt;/ref&gt; that the magistrates should not be sent into the provinces immediately after the expiration of their office; that the proconsuls should have a certain sum assigned them out of the treasury for mules and tents, which used before to be contracted for by the government with private persons; that the management of the treasury should be transferred from the city-quæstors to the prætors, or those who had already served in the latter office; and that the decemviri should call together the court of One hundred, which had been formerly summoned by those who had filled the office of quæstor.

XXXVII. To augment the number of persons employed in the administration of the state, he devised several new offices; such as surveyors of the public buildings, of the roads, the aqueducts, and the bed of the Tiber; for the distribution of corn to the people; the præfecture of the city; a triumvirate for the election of the senators; and another for inspecting the several troops of the equestrian order, as often as it was necessary. He revived the office of censor,&lt;ref&gt;{{sc|a.u.c.}} 312, two magistrates were created, under the name of Censors, whose office, at first, was to take an account of the number of the people, and the value of their estates. Power was afterwards granted them to inspect the morals of the people; and from this period the office became of great importance. After Sylla, the election of censors was intermitted for about seventeen years. Under the emperors, the office of censor was abolished; but the chief functions of it were exercised by the emperors themselves, and frequently both with caprice and severity.&lt;/ref&gt; which had been long disused, and increased the number of prætors. He likewise required that whenever the consulship was conferred on him, he should have two colleagues instead of one; but his {{hws|pro|proposal}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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you'd ''have'' money, you'd ''have'' it, enough to support yourself, anyhow—
And there you stand with nothing, and expect me to hand it you out
as if it were your dues, and I didn't count at all—

''All right, guvnor! What abaht it?''

Do you mean to say what about it?
My God, it takes some beating!
If you were a ''man'', and up to my mark, you'd ''have'' money—can't you see it?
You're my inferior, that's what you are, you're my inferior.
And do you think it's my business to be handing out money to a lot of inferior swipe?
Eh? Answer me that!

''Right ch'are, boss! An' what abaht it?''
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Down, down, down!
There must be a nadir somewhere
of superiority.
Down, and still
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the superior persons, though somewhat inferior,
are still superior.

They are still superior, so there must be something they are superior to.
There must be a bed-rock somewhere, of people who are not superior,
one must come down to ''terra firma'' somewhere!

Or must one simply say:
''All my inferiors are very superior.''

There has been great progress
in superiority.

Fortunately though, some superior persons are still superior
to the quite superior persons who are not so superior as they are.

May I ask if you are ''really'' superior
or if you only look it so wonderfully?
Because we English ''do'' appreciate a ''real'' gentleman, or a ''real'' lady;
but appearances are deceptive nowadays, aren't they?
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And if you only ''look'' so distinguished and superior
when really you are slightly inferior,
like a shop-lady or a lady-secretary,
you mustn't expect, my dear, to get away with it.
There's a list kept of the truly superior
and if you're not on the list, why there you are, my dear,
you're off it.
There are great numbers of quite superior persons who are not on the list,
poor things—but we can't help that, can we!
We must draw a line somewhere
or we should never know when we were crossing the equator.

''What is man, that thou art mindful of him,''
''or the son of man, that thou pitiest him?''
''for thou hast made him a little lower than the angels''
who are ''very'' superior people,
Oh ''very!''
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When you climb up to the middle classes
you leave a lot behind you,
you leave a lot, you've lost a lot
and you've nobody to remind you
of all the things they squeezed out of you
when they took you and refined you.

When they took you and refined you
they squeezed out most of your guts;
they took away your good old stones
and gave you a couple of nuts;
and they taught you to speak King's English
and butter your slippery buts.

Oh you've got to be like a monkey
if you climb up the tree!
You've no more use for the solid earth
and the lad you used to be.
You sit in the boughs and gibber
with superiority.

They all gibber and gibber and chatter,
and never a word they say
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comes really out of their guts, lad,
they make it up half way;
they make it up, and it's always the same,
if it's serious or if it's play.

You think they're the same as you are
and then you find they're not
and they never were nor would be,
not one of the whole job lot.
And you have to act up like they do
or they think you're off your dot.

There isn't a man among 'em,
not one; they all seemed to me
like monkeys or angels or something, in a limited
liability company;
like a limited liability company
they are, all limited liability.

What they're limited to or liable
to, I could never make out.
But they're all alike, an' it makes you
want to get up an' shout
an' blast 'em forever; but they'd only
think you a lower-class lout.
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I tell you, something's been done to 'em
to the pullets up above;
there's not a cock bird among 'em
though they're always on about love,
an' you could no more get 'em a move on
no! No matter how you may shove!
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{{tpp|CONUNDRUMS|
Tell me a word
that you've often heard
yet it makes you squint
if you see it in print!

Tell me a thing
that you've often seen,
yet if put in a book
it makes you turn green!

Tell me a thing
that you often do
which, described in a story
shocks you through and through!
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XXXVIII. He was unsparing in the reward of military merit, having granted to above thirty generals the honour of the greater triumph; besides which, he took care to have triumphal decorations voted by the senate for more than that number. That the sons of senators might become early acquainted with the administration of affairs, he permitted them, at the age when they took the garb of manhood,&lt;ref&gt;Young men until they were seventeen years of age, and young women until they were married, wore a white robe bordered with purple, called ''Toga Prætexta''. The former, when they had completed this period, laid aside the dress of minority, and assumed the ''Toga Virilis'', or manly habit. The ceremony of changing the ''Toga'' was performed with great solemnity before the images of the ''Lares'', to whom the ''Bulla'' was consecrated. On this occasion, they went either to the Capitol, or to some temple, to pay their devotions to the Gods.&lt;/ref&gt; to assume also the distinction of the senatorian robe, with its broad border, and to be present at the debates in the senate-house. When they entered the military service, he not only gave them the rank of military tribunes in the legions, but likewise the command of the auxiliary horse. And that all might have an opportunity of acquiring military experience, he commonly joined two sons of senators in command of each troop of horse. He frequently reviewed the troops of the equestrian order, reviving the ancient custom of a cavalcade,&lt;ref&gt;''Transvectio'': a procession of the equestrian order, which they made with great splendour through the city, every year, on the fifteenth of July. They rode on horseback from the temple of Honour, or of Mars, without the city, to the Capitol, with wreaths of olive on their heads, dressed in robes of scarlet, and bearing in their hands the military ornaments which they had received from their general, as a reward of their valour. The knights rode up to the censor, seated on his curule chair in front of the Capitol, and dismounting, led their horses in review before him. If any of the knights was corrupt in his morals, had diminished his fortune below the legal standard, or even had not taken proper care of his horse, the censor ordered him to sell his horse, by which he was considered as degraded from the equestrian order.&lt;/ref&gt; which had been long laid aside. But he did not suffer any one to be obliged by an accuser to dismount while he passed in review, as had formerly been the practice. As for such as were infirm with age, or&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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She was looking at the familiar objects in her room with the eyes of memory; the bookshelves near the fireplace; the Brangwyn etching and the study of a tree-fern by Trevor Lloyd which hung upon the south wall; the dressing table with its three mirrors; the crystal bowl which stood upon the window-ledge—the bow!l which Jimmy detested and had threatened to smash; the set of furniture which Jimmy had made for Joan’s doll’s-house, and of which he had been so vain that he had decided to use it to ornament the mantel-piece; the sea-grass chair with the pink panel; the rugs; the photographs of Jimmy and Joan, and of all the family; everything—just as she had left it. She could have placed her hand upon any desired object were she allowed to rise.

Her suffering was not so vivid now as she lay in the darkness surrounded by familiar things. It had been horrible in Palmerston, where the slapping of the canvas screens on the verandah, the rumble of wheeled beds, the cries of the patients, the commands of the nurses, the faint street noises, the terrible clanking of a church bell, and the changing of the dressings had been one long nightmare—a black hell in which she had prayed in vain for light and a surcease from racking pain.

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XXXIX. With the assistance of ten senators, he obliged each of the Roman knights to give an account of his life: in regard to those who fell under his displeasure, some were punished; others had a mark of infamy set against their names. The most part he only reprimanded, but not in the same terms. The mildest mode of reproof was by delivering them tablets,&lt;ref&gt;''Pugillaria'' were a kind of pocket book, so called, because memorandums were written or impinged by the ''styli'', on their waxed surface. They appear to have been of very ancient origin, for we read of them in Homer under the name of πίνακες.—Il. 6. 169.&lt;blockquote&gt;
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XL. In the election of tribunes of the people, if there was not a sufficient number of senatorian candidates, he nominated others from the equestrian order; granting them the liberty, after the expiration of their office, to continue in whichsoever of the two orders they pleased. As most of the knights had been much reduced in their estates by the civil wars, and therefore durst not sit to see the public games in the theatre in the seats allotted to their order, for fear of the penalty provided by the law in that case, he enacted, that none were liable to it, who had themselves, or whose parents had ever, possessed a knight's estate. He took the census of the Roman people street by street: and that the people might not be too often taken from their business to receive the distribution of corn, it was his intention to deliver tickets three times a year for four months respectively; but at their request, he continued the former regulation, that they should receive their&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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She could identify each neighbour’s car and every tradesman’s van. She could see the baker’s expression of concentration as he hurried up the path, while Ginger eyed him disdainfully from his perch on the verandah rail. She could see the tall pines in the distance and Mount Egmont beyond; she could see the group of ''pungas'' in the gully.

It was not so dark here, at home.

She heard Patricia enter the house by the back door; heard the light the gas beneath the kettle in preparation for morning tea; heard her straighten a corner of a rug as she crossed the breakfast room; heard her cross the hall and enter the room in which she lay.

Grace turned her head expectantly as Patricia set the letters down upon the table near the window.

“Were there any?” she asked.

“Lots,” answered Patricia.

“Any for me?”

“I don’t think so. Some of the addresses are hard to decipher, but I think they are all for Mr. Harley.”

“Of course. I am dead, to all intents and purposes.”

Paricia looked pityingly at the woman on the bed and was surprised to see that she smiled.

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“That wasn’t a complaint, Pat,” said Grace gently. “I’m happy to be home again—even as I am. Pat, dear{{longdash}}”

“Yes?”

“Do you think it will hurt me if you call him Jimmy?”

Patricia did not answer. She spread the wet letters upon the window-ledge to dry in the sun.

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She turned to smile at Grace ruefully.

“Heaven alone knows why we are born,” she continued. “It seems to me that we exist solely to make trouble for others.”

The thought made her glance in the direction of the Langham home across the gully. She frowned as she saw Mrs. Langham staking chrysanthemums and keeping a watchful eye on the Harley bungalow.

“Pat, dear, there is ne necessity to pretend with me,” replied Grace very, very gently. “I’m not blaming you for loving Jimmy; and I am not blaming Jimmy for loving you. Love is a gypsy, you know.”

She turned her face to the sun and sighed.

“Of course, I’m jealous, Pat. I am just a woman. I am not strong enough, or shallow enough, not to have regrets for a love that is dead. And I find it hard to smile in this hour of unexpected victory. That’s what you call it in your heart, isn’t it? Unexpected victory. You know that you could have held him but for this. Now, I hold him faster than ever. Now, his sense of duty, his sense of fairness, his remorse, will keep him at my side. He will be eager to atone. He will subject his desires, his whole life, to my wishes—and he will never be convinced that I don’t want him to do that. I don’t, Pat. I don’t!”

The frail white hands clutched the counterpane. Her body shook with the vehemence of her final words.

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“Pat{{longdash}}”
 
“I’m not altogether respectable, you know. Many people will tell you that. All New Plymouth will testify to the fact, I imagine. Mr. Harley was bound to find it out, sooner or later. He found out rather sooner than I had expected—that’s all.”

She spoke with intense bitterness, and Grace turned her head as though to look at her.

“You tell me this to comfort me, Pat.”

“I tell you this because it is the truth,” corrected Patricia flatly. “Your husband hates me. He hates me for destroying his contentment; for smashing his home; for killing his wife and child{{longdash}}”

Grace Harley shook her head slowly. Her scarred lips smiled faintly.

“He could never hate you, Pat. If he struck you, it was when he bitterly accused himself. He should have struck himself. He will know that now. He is a just man, Pat, and he must know that you were not to blame. My dear, none of us is to blame. We were driven by something stronger than convention to act as we did—all of us. Oh, I don’t want Jimmy to sacrifice himself for me, Pat. I don’t!”

Patricia seated herself upon the bed.

“Grace,” she said softly and earnestly, “there are two kinds of love—the constant, which burns with a steady flame, a comforting thing like a fire on a hearth, and the inconstant, which flames and destroys and leaves no ashes. Some people have one, some the other. Most people are subject to both. Your husband is subject to both. You have the constant—I know only the inconstant. I’m always falling in love, and out of it. I don’t wish to, but I just don’t seem able to help it. Men find me attractive, and I—well, I suppose I like playing with them. It is in my blood. But, as God’s my judge, Grace, I did not wish to attract your husband. I tried to avoid him.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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She sat silent for a moment, the pressure of Grace’s thin fingers around her own seeming an accusation rather than a gesture of sympathy. She rose to her feet with a cry of distress.

“Oh, what have I done?” she cried, clenching her hands together. “What have I done?”

Often she had cried thus in the seclusion of her room, but now Grace’s magnanimity and helplessness wrung the words from her afresh.

Grace reached out and grasped Patricia’s skirt.

“Won’t you take Jimmy, my dear, if I ask you to?” she pleaded. “If I ask you to save him from himself? From—from slavery?”

“No!” answered Patricia almost fiercely, as she wrenched herself free and fled the room.

Grace Harley turned her face to the sun again and lay still. Her heart was singing, and the dark years ahead seemed less terrifying.

{{***|4}}

Patricia came back presently with the morning tea-tray. She set it down upon a chair beside the bed, propped Grace into a sitting position with extra pillows, and placed a cup in her hands.

She had recovered her composure, and was now the cheerful and attentive person which she had become during these latter weeks.

“Try a meringue,” she invited, placing a plate of the dainties in Grace’s lap. “I won’t guarantee them, but they’re the best I could do. I’m afraid I’ll never be a cook.”

“You have made wonderful strides, I think, Pat,” declared Grace, fumbling for the plate. “I think you must be a good all-rounder.”

Patricia laughed softly and scornfully. She said nothing. She took her own cup to the window, where she turned over the wet correspondence between sips. 
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XLII. But to show that he was a prince who regarded more the good of his people than their applause, he reprimanded them very severely, upon their complaining of the scarcity and dearness of wine. &quot;My son-in law, Agrippa,&quot; he said, &quot;has sufficiently provided for quenching your thirst, by the great plenty of water with which he has supplied the town.&quot; Upon their demanding a gift which he had promised them, he said, &quot;I am a man of my word.&quot; But upon their importuning him for one which he had not promised, he issued a proclamation upbraiding them for their scandalous impudence; at the same time telling them, &quot;I shall now give you nothing, whatever I may have intended to do.&quot; With the same strict firmness, when, upon a promise he had made of a donative, he found many slaves had been emancipated and enrolled amongst the citizens, he declared that no one should receive anything who was not included in the promise, and he gave the rest less than he had promised them, in order that the amount he had set apart might hold out. On one occasion, in a season of great scarcity, which it was difficult to remedy, he ordered out of the city the troops of slaves brought for sale, the {{hws|gladi|gladiators}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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She stooped to recover it, and paused as she saw that the envelope had burst at the seams. She bent lower and read the printed words at the top of the disclosed sheet:

{{c|''Masonic Hotel, Napier.''}}

She lifted the sodden missive silently, glancing cautiously at the bed to see if her action were observed. Her immediate recollection of Grace’s blindness shamed her, and she flushed uncomfortably.

Grace, sensing a subtle change in Patricia’s attitude, spoke with timid apprehension.

“What is the matter?”

Patricia started. It was almost as if Grace had seen her slipping the letter into the pocket of her apron.

“Nothing,” she answered hurriedly. “Nothing, dear.”

“I thought you looked at me rather strangely, Pat.”

“Nonsense, Grace,” replied Patricia, forcing a laugh. “You mustn’t imagine things. Another cup of tea?”

“I haven’t finished this one yet.”

They chatted upon the fairness of the day, the possibility of growing asters in the plot near the breakfast-room window, the Easter holidays—a number of subjects which did not include those nearest to their thoughts—and Patricia remained uncomfortably aware of the letter in her pocket and an intention to deceive the blind woman.

“I wonder where Jimmy is?” asked Grace at last, no longer able to hold back her secret thought. “Do you think he will have received your letter?”

Patricia moved to the bed.

“He will come, my dear,” she answered consolingly. “You must not worry so much{{longdash}}”
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“Sh! I won’t have you thinking this way, Grace. Do you wish me to slap you?”

Grace smiled wistfully.

“You are sure he will want me back—after running away{{longdash}}”

“Another cup of tea,” ordered Patricia sharply, taking Grace’s cup. “And please stop talking nonsense!”

She handed the blind woman another cup of tea.

“By-the-way,” she said in casual tones, “I suppose you wrote to him occasionally after you left?”
 
“Why—no,” answered Grace, in some surprise. “To tell you the truth, I—I didn’t think he would wish to hear from me. I thought he would like to make his decisions without—without{{longdash}}”

“I understand, dear,” interrupted Patricia, leaning over to touch Grace’s shoulder, her eyes shining strangely. “Now, try another meringue. I’ll go and put a little more water in the pot.”

“Don’t bother on my account,” begged Grace, as Patricia moved away.

“This is on my account,” declared Patricia as she left the room.

In the small kitchenette Patricia opened the sodden letter with care, spread it upon the small table and read it through without shame. It was the late Catherine Whipple’s first and last shot in her campaign to unite husband and wife; and it proved to Patricia that she still could feel, that her fight was not yet won—or lost.

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{{right|Feb. 3/31.{{em|2}}}} 
James Harley, Esq.,{{br}}
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One such is that Mrs. Harley leaves her child in the care of strangers while she goes off on excursions with a man. I think you ought to look into this matter before it is too late.

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It was a feeble shot. Nevertheless, it might have wrought infinite damage—or have repaired a breach—had it reached the man for whom it was intended.

Patricia read it through twice. Its cowardice seemed not to occur to her. She saw in it only a possible truth, and black bitterness enveloped her thoughts.

Here was the true explanation of Grace’s presence in Hastings at the moment of the shake, when Joan had been killed in Napier. The body found with Joan’s had been one of the strangers mentioned here. Grace had been away on an “excursion” with a man.

Her excuse that she went to purchase a middy suit for Joan was simply—an excuse. An excuse to meet the man—possibly a Hastings man.

Patricia laughed aloud—a cautious, hard laugh.

Grace had consoled herself very quickly. More than possibly she had found a lover before her husband had turned from her. That would account for her readiness to run away at the first sign of unfaithfulness in Jimmy.

Of course! They had been blind not to see it!

Grace, for all her meek, quiet little ways, had found a lover. It was the old story of still waters running deep.

And to think of all the sympathy, the bitter heart-aches, the agony of weeks, which had been wasted upon her! How she must have laughed in secret!

She had run off with her lover, knowing that her husband would be ready to provide her with all the money she would need—to live in comfort with her man.
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XLIII. In the number, variety, and magnificence of his public spectacles, he surpassed all former example. Four-and-twenty times, he says, he treated the people with games upon his own account, and three-and-twenty times for such magistrates as were either absent, or not able to afford the expense. The performances took place sometimes in the different streets of the city, and upon several stages, by players in all languages. The same he did not only in the forum and amphitheatre, but in the circus likewise, and in the septa:&lt;ref&gt;''Septa'' were enclosures made with boards, commonly for the purpose of distributing the people into distinct classes, and erected occasionally like our hustings.&lt;/ref&gt; and sometimes he exhibited only the hunting of wild beasts. He entertained the people with wrestlers in the Campus Martius, where wooden seats were erected for the purpose; and also with a naval fight, for which he excavated the ground near the Tiber, where there is now the grove of the Cæsars. During these two entertainments he stationed guards in the city, lest, by robbers taking advantage of the small number of people left at home, it might be exposed to depredations. In the circus he exhibited chariot and foot races, and combats with wild beasts, in which the performers were often youths of the highest rank. His favourite spectacle was the Trojan game, acted by a select number of boys, in parties differing in age and station; {{hws|think|thinking}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And now, blinded and disfigured, she still played a part. She didn’t want Jimmy to sacrifice himself! Oh, no! Such a thing was unthinkable! Yet there she was, lying in the bedroom, waiting for him. Confident that he would come, that he would care for her all the days of her life—now that she was ashamed for her lover to look upon her. Doubtless the lover had deserted her—unless he too had been killed in Roach’s.

It was all very pathetic, no doubt; but it was not going to work out quite like that.

“Excursions with a man!”

Patricia uttered the words mockingly as she placed the letter to dry upon the rack above the stove.

Grace had cheated, cheated very skilfully. Very well, Patricia would cheat a little. Just how she intended to cheat she did not know at the moment. The idea would come presently. All she was certain of was that this was a fifty-fifty affair of love, and that she intended to collect her due proportion by fair means or foul. She would fight Grace and her blindness.

“Clever little cheat!” she murmured admiringly, as she set about her preparations for lunch.

“Are you all right, dear?” she called, thrusting her head around the breakfast-room door. “I’m just going to start on the vegetables.”

“Don’t worry about me,” replied Grace. “I’ll be quite happy.”

“You had better get some sleep before the doctor comes.”

“I’ll do my best—although I prefer to lie here and just think.”

“Don’t eat all the meringues. You’ll suffer from indigestion if you do.”

“Very well, dear.”

Patricia sneered as she turned to her task of peeling potatoes.
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She would not be cheated of love, she told the bubbling cabbage. She would not! Not for forty Graces—even though all were blind!

At noon she summoned enough resolution to go into the sick-room and collect the morning tea things. She smoothed her apron nervously, patted her hair into place, and practised a suitable expression of sympathy before the cheap mirror in the door of one of the cupboards, and set out on her simple errand with a fluttering heart. It was not an easy thing to fight a sick woman.

She halted abruptly on the threshold of Grace’s room.

Grace, half-asleep, was speaking quietly to herself. Patricia thought that she prayed.

The words were spoken very softly and for some moments Patricia did not catch their drift; then she made out a certain rhythm, and the sadness in the low voice forced itself into her unwilling consciousness. Presently she caught two lines of the poem which Grace repeated—the final lines upon which Grace raised her voice a little.
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She gazed until her eyes filled with tears of pity, and a lump arose in her throat; then she turned and made her way back to the kitchenette on her tip-toes.

The letter of the Sincere Friend lay dry and curled upon the rack. She took it down and read it through again.

Now, there seemed to be something wrong about it. It seemed to breathe spite, instead of warning. Could it possibly be that the writer had reason to hate James Harley, or was this the work of some interfering busy-body such as had often made trouble for herself, Patricia? An unspeakable person such as Mrs Langham, for instance?

As though the mere thought of the lady across the gully inspired her, Patricia tore the letter across again and again, fiercely.

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“Lunch!” she announced cheerfully, as she entered the sick-room with a laden tray. “If you don’t put-on weight it won’t be through any fault of mine. Come and get it.”

They were quite jolly over the meal, which, to tell the truth, was not a shining example of the culinary art. Patricia apologised for not salting the cabbage, and Grace laughed at the idea of mustard with mutton.

“Don’t you resent my presence, Grace?” asked Patricia earnestly, when they had finished.

“Not now, dear,” answered Grace, with a sad smile.

For a brief moment anger flamed in Patricia’s heart at what sounded like a confident announcement of victory; then it died as suddenly as pity filled her heart.
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INTRODUCTION.

BEGGAR. If poverty be a title to poetry, I am sure nobody can dispute mine. I own myself of the company of beggars; and I make one at their weekly festivals at St. Giles’s. I have a small yearly salary for my catches, and am welcome to a dinner there whenever I please, which is more than most poets can say.

PLAYER. As we live by the Muses, ’tis but gratitude in us to encourage poetical merit wherever we find it. The Muses, contrary to all other ladies, pay no distinction to dress, and never partially mistake the pertness of embroidery for wit, nor the modesty of want for dullness. Be the author who he will, we push his play as far as it will go. So (though you are in want) I wish you success heartily.

BEGGAR. This piece I own was originally writ for the celebrating the marriage of James Chanter and Moll Lay,\* two most excellent ballad-singers. I have introduced the similes that are in all your celebrated operas: the swallow, the moth, the bee, the ship, the flower, etc.\* Besides, I have a prison scene which the ladies always reckon charmingly pathetic. As to the parts, I have observed such a nice impartiality to our two ladies that it is impossible for either of them to take offence. I hope I may be forgiven, that I have not made my opera throughout unnatural, like those in vogue; for I have no recitative. Excepting this, as I have consented to have neither prologue nor epilogue, it must be allowed an opera in all its forms. The piece indeed hath been heretofore frequently represented by ourselves in our great room at St. Giles’s, so that I cannot too often acknowledge your charity in bringing it now on the stage.

PLAYER. But I see ’tis time for us to withdraw; the actors are preparing to begin. Play away the overture.</text>
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      <text bytes="1641" sha1="fjkb61y2fra4u9fdxj293s9t0db3e1c" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;IdiotSavant&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|196|RESTLESS EARTH}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;“You are so good,” explained Grace; “and you help me to forget—Joan.”

Patricia rose briskly.

“Well, this wont do,” she declared. “I must do the washing-up. Then I’ll go into town and send another wire.”

“To Jimmy?” asked Grace eagerly.

“Yes. It seems evident that the others have not found him. Third time never like the rest, they say. Buzzy thinks he must be in Napier still{{longdash}}”

“Has Buzzy written?”

“Yes. She hopes you are getting along nicely, and all that{{longdash}}”

“What does she say about Jimmy?”

“Just that somebody she knows caught a glimpse of him last week{{longdash}}”

“Oh{{longdash}}”

“Hush, dear. We will have him home again very shortly—even if I have to go and fetch him myself.”

“They would never let you into the area, Pat.”

“I’d like to meet the man who would refuse to let me in, after I had smiled sweetly upon him,” replied Patricia. “Now, a little more sleep for you, young lady{{longdash}}”

Later, Patricia sent a telegram to James Harley in Napier. She signed it “Patricia.” She had a curious belief that the name would find him and bring him home.

“I’m the kind of woman who carries wish-bones, and who spits on her shoes for luck when she sees a white horse,” she decided at last. “In other words, a sentimental, superstitious fool!”

{{***|4}}

{{c|CHAPTER XXII.}}

“Here, you!” called a harassed clerk, as a telegraph messenger sauntered past the counter of Napier’s temporary central Post Office. “Take these wires and see if you can find this fellow Harley.”
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